Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria (Help reading marriage)

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,


   1. I would say Livramento
   2. I would say Sacramento
   3. Gregório de Jesus Alvares da Costa
   4. I think it says "tirei certidão", in 2 diferent dates.


'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia quinta, 30/01/2020 à(s) 22:29:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1758-1798/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1758-1798_item1/P62.html
>
>
>
> Hello everyone;  I have several questions on the above document. Left hand
> side, marriage of Manoel Jose Coelho to Francisca Rosa
> Sacramento/Livermento.
>
>1.  I can’t decided on the bride’s surname?
>2. (It appears to be the same as the groom’s mother’s surname?)
>3. The bride’s father’s name appears to be Georgorio de Jesus Alvarez
>da Cotta. Do I have that right?
>4. On the sidenote: Someone died on 28th of June 1808?
>
>
>
> Appreciate any and all help,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My book

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Brian,

In addition to the suggestions given by Cheri, i would also suggest
Geneanet,



JesseAndDeborah Mendonca  escreveu no dia sexta,
24/01/2020 à(s) 19:25:

> Hello Brian,
>
> You are to be applauded for your work and your generosity. I am unsure how
> your tree is saved, but am interested in it due to the Mendonca surname.
> Would a link from it work?  It is very easy to share from Ancestry; I’m not
> sure about the others.
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
> jessdebmendonca “at” gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM Brian Margarit <
> analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> General question.  Is there a resource-sharing site for published trees?
>> I'm just putting the finishing touches on my tree after 5 years of research
>> and am self-publishing it for my family.  I'd like to give it to anyone
>> that'd like it or send it to an archivist, genealogist etc.  There are over
>> 100 photos attached to it ranging from 19thC - Present, plus citations and
>> photos of the source material.
>>
>> Any thoughts are appreciated.
>>
>> Significant surnames in it:  Noronha, Homen, Soares, Dias, Cordeiro,
>> Brasil, Mendonca, Sequiera (Graciosa, Terceira & Sao Jorge)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

I just checked her baptism record, the sidenote states #1 her marriage, #2
her husband's death, #3 and her own death.



'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia domingo, 29/12/2019 à(s) 23:21:

> Hi Angela;  I found Virginia’s birth and I believe it says when her father
> died, in the margin, but; I can’t quite read the date.  Below that I think
> it also says when she died?
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 29, 2019 12:22 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro
>
>
>
> Hi Sam,
>
>
>
> Do you know if the bride's father was deceased at the time of the
> marriage? If so, i think the bride would need the father's legal permission
> if she was under 25, but then again, i'm not sure if that applies to that
> time period.
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 29/12/2019
> à(s) 04:13:
>
> I didn't read the body. It kinda looks like that, yet Virginia has parents
> that are named (maybe they died and that's not mentioned?). They also got a
> dispensation to marry, so they are cousins. A native speaker will have to
> tell us what that "orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge at
> city hall" thing says.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 7:13 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, I completely concur with Cheri.
>
>
>
> The body of the record has something I've never seen.  Does it say that
> she is a 17-year-old orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge
> at city hall?
>
>
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 6:16:15 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with
> better eyes can look.
>
>
>
> Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded
> it on Virginia's baptism too?
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
>
>
>
> I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of
> April of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife,
> Virginia Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)
>
>
>
> Can sks help me out here?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Sidenote Sam
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

Do you know if the bride's father was deceased at the time of the marriage?
If so, i think the bride would need the father's legal permission if she
was under 25, but then again, i'm not sure if that applies to that time
period.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 29/12/2019 à(s)
04:13:

> I didn't read the body. It kinda looks like that, yet Virginia has parents
> that are named (maybe they died and that's not mentioned?). They also got a
> dispensation to marry, so they are cousins. A native speaker will have to
> tell us what that "orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge at
> city hall" thing says.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 7:13 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth, I completely concur with Cheri.
>>
>> The body of the record has something I've never seen.  Does it say that
>> she is a 17-year-old orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge
>> at city hall?
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 6:16:15 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with
>>> better eyes can look.
>>>
>>> Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded
>>> it on Virginia's baptism too?
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html



 I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22
 of April of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his
 wife, Virginia Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)



 Can sks help me out here?



 Thanks, Sidenote Sam





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal thread

[Ângela Loura]

Merry Christmas everyone.

PS: my grandfather learnt how to use a laptop and Skype at 94 to be in
contact with his younger and last living brother in Brazil, his daughter in
Lisbon, another daughter in the Azores, a son in Namibia, and another
daughter in Belgium, and all his grandchildren and great-grandchildren. It
was a blessing for him over the last 5 years to be close to him family in a
new and diferent way, and i know it made a huge difference in his life
until his last day in this world.

Boas Festas! 

Bill Seidler  escreveu no dia quarta, 25/12/2019 à(s)
22:50:

> Merry Christmas to all and I hope your new year is full of discoveries.
>
> A special shout out to Celeste Perry who helped me back in 2015 when we
> discovered 8GGparents in common.  Thank you for all the help and for your
> service to this outstanding group.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 10:36:30 AM UTC-8, Mindy Silva wrote:
>>
>> Merry Christmas to all of you. May the new year be filled with love and
>> peace and may you find many genealogy treasures!!
>>
>> Mindy Silva
>>
>> On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 1:22:19 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal to all!
>>>
>>> Since we now have more Australians and others from that side of the
>>> world, I'm starting this thread a day earlier (because it's already
>>> Christmas Eve there).
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

[Ângela Loura]

Maybe 'Separado' de pessoas e bens...

Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia segunda, 9/12/2019
à(s) 23:12:

> Hi Sam,
>
> I'm assuming nº 2 is a divorce. I can't understand the first word, but the
> followings are «(...) de pessoas e bens por sentença de 24 de Novembro de
> 1953 por sentença do tribunal desta Comarca.»
>
> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
> no dia segunda, 9/12/2019 à(s) 22:32:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P103.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Bottom right, #27, Manoel.  I can read the document and I think I have
>> the 1st sidenote as Manoel marring Maria Luisa Soares Betancourt on 31
>> October 1937.  I can also read the very clear 3rd note of Manoel death
>> on 6 March 1973 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  It is note number 2 that I
>> can’t decipher.  I think it says something happened on the twenty something
>> of November of 1953.  Is that his immigration date?  Can anyone make out
>> what note #2 is saying?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>> Side note Sam
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

I'm assuming nº 2 is a divorce. I can't understand the first word, but the
followings are «(...) de pessoas e bens por sentença de 24 de Novembro de
1953 por sentença do tribunal desta Comarca.»

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia segunda, 9/12/2019 à(s) 22:32:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P103.html
>
>
>
> Bottom right, #27, Manoel.  I can read the document and I think I have the
> 1st sidenote as Manoel marring Maria Luisa Soares Betancourt on 31
> October 1937.  I can also read the very clear 3rd note of Manoel death on
> 6 March 1973 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  It is note number 2 that I can’t
> decipher.  I think it says something happened on the twenty something of
> November of 1953.  Is that his immigration date?  Can anyone make out what
> note #2 is saying?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Side note Sam
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

I think it says:

«O individuo a que se refere este registo de nome Antonio Cabral no modo de
solteiro, contraiu casamento com Maria de Chaves Nunes(?), de dezanove
anos, solteira, natural da freguesia de Nossa Senhora do Bom Despacho
(Almagreira?), filha de José Nunes(?) e Luiza Izabel de Chaves.
Vila do Porto, 23 Abril 1931»

«nº 2: o casamento averbado em 1, foi dissolvido por óbito do conjugue
marido em 16 do mês (...?). Em 17 Agosto de 1975.»

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia sábado, 7/12/2019 à(s) 23:57:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P97.html
>
>
>
> Right side.  I can read the main document but; need a little help with the
> side note.  I see that Antonio Cabral married Maria? de ??  who was 19
> years old and native of the parish of Sao Pedro, daughter of Jose ? and his
> wife, Izabel de Chaves.  Do I have that right and can anyone fill in the
> question marks please?
>
>
>
> 2nd note:  The marriage was dissolved by the death of Maria?? On 16th of
> August 1975.  Can’t tell if that says “marido” or “marida”.  Was it Antonio
> or Maria that died?
>
>
>
> Thanks you for your help with this,
>
>
>
> Sidenote Sam  
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Recommendations for newbie on genealogy software????

[Ângela Loura]

I use a free version of Ahnenblatt, it's simple enough for me, I use the
portable version on my usb pen drive: https://www.ahnenblatt.com/download/

A sábado, 30 de nov de 2019, 03:22, Cheri Mello 
escreveu:

> Hi Ana,
>
> The best genealogy software is the one you like best.
>
> Legacy Family Tree has a tree trial version. Go to
> www.legacyfamilytree.com and download their free edition and play around
> with it.
>
> RootsMagic has a free trial version called Essentials. Go to
> www.rootsmagic.com/essentials and download it and play around with it.
>
> Both are having holiday sales, so buy the one that grabs you.
>
> Family Tree Maker does NOT have a free version. You can look at the web
> site though: https://www.mackiev.com/ftm/
>
> I believe those are the 3 most popular for Windows at this time.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 7:12 PM Ana Bonito  wrote:
>
>> Hi all any recommendations genealogy software??  For Windows.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Ana,

If you use the group's search tab and type "Manuel Lourenço Bonito" you'll
find that there's at least one thread about this.

If you google the same "Manuel Lourenço Bonito" (always between "") you'll
find the name referend in some trees, specially a big tree on Geneanet (the
*tavaressilva* tree), so take a look. You may also find some Bonito's in
some worldgenweb indexes.

Also follow the path through the CCA records like Cheri suggested, and from
there you might find the Bonito track line again.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia segunda, 25/11/2019 à(s)
01:20:

> Hi Ana,
>
> Photography didn't begin to become affordable until the late 1800s
> onwards. You won't find any photos for the early 1800s into 1700s.
>
> The Azores government digitized their records and they are online. It is
> much easier to access them through tombo.pt. You can type "lomba da maia"
> in the left column and see what is available.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 5:14 PM Ana Bonito  wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone my name is Ana Bonito, born in Lomba da maia.
>> I have been researching my surname and have found through records 4
>> generations of Manuel Lourenco Bonito, my grandfather's, stuck at early
>> 1800s into 1700s.
>>
>> No luck finding any photos, passports or documents any of them.  Anyone
>> recommend any sites?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?

[Ângela Loura]

An interview about 'mestras':  http://portocanal.sapo.pt/noticia/163588/

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s)
21:25:

> Crafts can be many things. A really good plumber could master his craft
> too. Maybe he'd be a mestre as well.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:13 PM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cheri, you can take it to mean as you wish but I disagree it covers just
>> crafts.  Simply because I grew up with the term.  My Mom and Grandmother’s
>> teacher was a Mestra, and that was Education, not crafts.
>>
>> The term is also used in English schools.  The Principal of the School
>> was the Head Master.  Why do you think that is?
>>
>> Angela’s references first Edition is dated 1798— discussing Antiquated
>> terminology prior to that time period. While the question posted was for
>> *1870-1879*.  If antiquated back then how much more antiquated will it
>> not be 72 years later?
>>
>>
>>
>> A mestre / mestra is a teacher whether that be trades or education.
>>
>>
>> mestra
>> Significado de Mestra
>>
>> substantivo feminine Mulher que ensina ou leciona; professora.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 3:10 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra
>> demeninhos(as)"?
>>
>>
>>
>> So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who
>> mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back
>> then,
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
>> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
>>
>>
>>
>> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
>> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:
>>
>> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
>> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
>> classes did not exist back then.
>>
>>
>>
>> Margaret v.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
>> meninhos(as)"?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jessica,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
>> teacher (feminine).
>>
>>
>>
>> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out
>> if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>>
>>
>>
>> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone
>> who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went
>> to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a
>> person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can
>> shed more light on this.
>>
>>
>>
>> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in
>> charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls'
>> principal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
>>
>> Hi group!
>>
>>
>>
>> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states
>> that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just
>> girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
>> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
>> assuming mestra means teacher.
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

[Ângela Loura]

I take this opportunity, since some of these terms come all the way from
the middle ages, to share with you 2 volumes of a book containing the
meaning of old portuguese words, called Elucidário, it may be useful:
http://purl.pt/13944

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s)
20:10:

> So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who
> mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back
> then,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
>> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
>>
>> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
>> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:
>>
>>> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
>>> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
>>> classes did not exist back then.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret v.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
>>> meninhos(as)"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
>>> teacher (feminine).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure
>>> out if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is
>>> someone who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone
>>> who went to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used
>>> for a person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers
>>> can shed more light on this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's
>>> in charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a
>>> girls' principal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi group!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It
>>> states that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or
>>> just girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
>>> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
>>> assuming mestra means teacher.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than
>>> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

[Ângela Loura]

Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...

Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:

> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
> classes did not exist back then.
>
>
>
> Margaret v.
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
> meninhos(as)"?
>
>
>
> Hi Jessica,
>
>
>
> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
> teacher (feminine).
>
>
>
> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out
> if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>
>
>
> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone
> who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went
> to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a
> person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can
> shed more light on this.
>
>
>
> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in
> charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls'
> principal.
>
>
>
> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
>
> Hi group!
>
>
>
> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states
> that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just
> girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
> assuming mestra means teacher.
>
>
>
> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than
> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,
You got everything right. The last name is Ricardo. The bride is Fernanda.
There's a word I can't understand after her age, right before "filha de".




A segunda, 30 de set de 2019, 01:44, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
 escreveu:

> Manoel, right hand side.  As usual, I need help with the sidenote.  I
> can’t make out his surname, is it Ricardo?  I see the date of the 27th of
> September, is that when he married?  In 1930?  What does it say after the
> date of 27 September?
>
>
>
> Then I think it says he marries *somebody* Resendes who is 24 years old
> and the daughter of Manoel de Resendes and Valentina Lucianna, natives of
> the parish of Sao Pedro.
>
>
>
> I see that he died on the 18 Oct 1992 in Rhode Island, USA.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P113.html
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance and Happy Sunday,
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help with date of marriage and bride's father's name. Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

«O indivíduo a que
se refere este assento
de nome Luiz So-
ares de Melo, con-
traiu casamento
n'esta Vila do Por-
to em vinte(?) de Fe-
vereiro de mil no-
vecentos e vinte e
oito com Ludevi-
na de Rezendes
de vinte e um(?) a-
nos doméstica, vi-
úva de António de
Lima, falecido em
(...) de mil
novecentos e vinte
e cinco, filha ilegi-
tima de pai incó-
gnito e de Maria
de Rezendes, natu-
rais da freguesia
de Santa Bárbara.
L. (livro) de Casamen-
tos 1928 nº 8
Vila do Porto 8 de
Fevereiro de 1928
(signature)»

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia sábado, 28/09/2019 à(s) 22:21:

> Starts on previous page but; what I need help with is the date of the
> marriage (sidenote).  I can see, I think, that Luiz Soares de Melo marries
> Ludvina de Resendes, who is 21 years old and the daughter of ?? and
> possibly: Maria de Fagundes?, resident of Santa Barbara.  I think it says
> the marriage was in November 1928 but; I can’t make out a date?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P94.html
>
>
>
> Sidenote Sam
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

I'm not sure, but she looks like Joana Izabel de Jesus, and the date looks
like 1932 or 42.



A sábado, 21 de set de 2019, 00:52, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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> I can make most of it out but; need help with the groom’s mother’s name.
> Starts on previous page but; what I need help with is the sidenote on the
> left page.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P79.html
>
>
>
> Angelina da Conceicao Cabral marries in Vila do Porto, at the age of 21,
> Antonio dos Santos who is 24, single and the son of Jose Joaquim dos Santos
> and Joanna? Izabel d’??.   30 July 1932??
>
>
>
> Any help is much appreciated,  these are so hard to decipher,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria - sidenote

[Ângela Loura]

Very nice Bill

A sexta, 20 de set de 2019, 04:08, Bill Seidler 
escreveu:

> Hi Sam,
>
> I still think it's tough, but you have given me practice with this
> handwriting so I'll give it a shot with a lot of help from my wife (a
> native speaker).  Hopefully Ângela or someone will correct any errors.
>
>
> O individuo a quem se refere este registo,de nome João Monteiro Tavares
> contraiu casamento nesta Vila do Porto em os tres de Novembro de mil nove
> centos e trinta com Belmira do Carmo Soares de Andrade, de vinte e um anos,
> solteira, doméstica, natural de Cambridge, Mass, America do Norte,
> registada neste concelho sob Nº 17 do ano corrente de mil nove centos e
> trinta, filha legitima de Manuel Soares de Andrade e Maria de Jesus,
> falecidos, naturais de freguesia da Nossa Senhora de Assunção.  Registo de
> casamentos, Nº 15, Vila do Porto, [signature] 3 -XI - 930
>
> The individual referred to in this record named João Monteiro Tavares
> married in Vila do Porto on 3 Nov 1930 with Belmira do Carmo Soares de
> Andrade, 21 years of age, domestic, native of Cambridge, MA, USA.
> Registered in the council under number 17 of the current year of 1930.
> Legitimate daughter of Manuel Soares de Andrade and Maria de Jesus, both
> deceased, natives of the parish of Nossa Senhora da Assunção.  Registry of
> marriages number 15, Vila do Porto.  {signature] 3 Nov 1930
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>>
>> #23, Joao.  It’s the sidenote where once again, I get lost.  I can make
>> out some names and ages and dates but; can’t quite read enough to make
>> heads or tails of it.  Your help is much appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P68.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

I agree with Bill

A terça, 17 de set de 2019, 03:12, Bill Seidler 
escreveu:

> Hi Sam,
>
> I think he died in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada (São Miguel Island) on 1
> Aug of the current year.  The note appears to be dated 11 Aug 1961.
>
> Bill
>
> On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 5:46:12 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>>
>> Sidenote Sam again needs a bit of help.  Does the sidenote say he died 6
>> August 1911 or 1961 or am I completely wrong?
>>
>> Right hand page, Manoel, #14.  Does it say anything else important.  I
>> can see the registry number.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P64.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>> p.s. today is Mexico’s Independence day!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with maternal grandfather's name - Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

I think it's Boaventura José de Morais

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
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> Cheri and Angela;  You guys are helping me clean up a lot of records that
> had various things I couldn’t make out.  I really appreciate your help!
>
>
>
> This one is a birth of Jacintha, top, left.  It is only the maternal
> grandfather’s name I can’t decipher.  Joao Ventura Jose de ?? Morais.  It
> all runs together there so, I’m not sure what is what.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822_item1/P129.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

No, it's me saying that i can't figure out if it says Bairos or Inacio

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia domingo, 15/09/2019 à(s) 22:15:

> Thanks Angela;  Once again I greatly appreciate you taking the time to
> type it out for me.  It explains what I thought was a discrepancy.  I
> thought it was saying that he was 73 when he dies and he was not, he was
> 61.  I was mis-reading the registry number for his age at death.
>
>
>
> Do you know what the Manuel Bairos/Inacio de Rezendes  connotates?   Is
> the priest trying to indicate that his name was Manuel Inacio Bairos de
> Rezendes?
>
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *Sunday, September 15, 2019 3:04 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com; Sam (Camas, WA) 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do
> Porto, Santa Maria
>
>
>
> Hi "sidenote Sam" (lol)
>
>
>
> O indivíduo a que se refere este registo de nome Jacinto de Figueiredo, no
> estado de solteiro, contraiu casamento neste concelho aos trinta e um de
> Outubro com Maria de/da/do Esperança Rezendes de vinte e um anos, solteira,
> filha de Manuel Bairos/Inácio de Rezendes e Jacinta Filomena de Moura
> Vila do Porto, 31 de Outubro 1929 (signature) - Faleceu na freguesia de
> São Pedro no dia 22 de Julho de 1963. Registo nº 73 do con(...?). Em 23 de
> Julho de 1963 (signature)
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 15/09/2019
> à(s) 21:35:
>
> Maria do Esperança Resendes.
>
>
>
> I can't tell Jacinta's 2nd name. Looks like he sneezed when writing.
>
> You have the rest right!
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 1:18 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> Good afternoon; It’s “Sidenote Sam” again.  I can get a lot of this but;
> not enough to put it all together.  #26, Jacintho.
>
>
>
> I can see Jacintho de Figueiredo who is 31 years old marrying Maria something?
> Resendes who is 21 years old and the daughter of Manoel Bairos Resendes
> and Jacintha something? De Moura.  At least, that’s what I think I see.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P36.html
>
>
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> Thanks for your help,
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>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi "sidenote Sam" (lol)

O indivíduo a que se refere este registo de nome Jacinto de Figueiredo, no
estado de solteiro, contraiu casamento neste concelho aos trinta e um de
Outubro com Maria de/da/do Esperança Rezendes de vinte e um anos, solteira,
filha de Manuel Bairos/Inácio de Rezendes e Jacinta Filomena de Moura
Vila do Porto, 31 de Outubro 1929 (signature) - Faleceu na freguesia de São
Pedro no dia 22 de Julho de 1963. Registo nº 73 do con(...?). Em 23 de
Julho de 1963 (signature)

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 15/09/2019 à(s)
21:35:

> Maria do Esperança Resendes.
>
> I can't tell Jacinta's 2nd name. Looks like he sneezed when writing.
> You have the rest right!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 1:18 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon; It’s “Sidenote Sam” again.  I can get a lot of this but;
>> not enough to put it all together.  #26, Jacintho.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can see Jacintho de Figueiredo who is 31 years old marrying Maria 
>> something?
>> Resendes who is 21 years old and the daughter of Manoel Bairos Resendes
>> and Jacintha something? De Moura.  At least, that’s what I think I see.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P36.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confusing marriage and obit, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

The parents marriage:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1810-1821/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1810-1821_item1/P6.html



Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia sábado, 14/09/2019
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> Sam, i'm sorry, i totally misread the last name. It's actually SOUSA.
>
> Here's Izabel:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1810-1828/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1810-1828_item1/P37.html
>
> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia sábado, 14/09/2019
> à(s) 19:17:
>
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> Cheri and Bill already got this one.
>> If you help with the Loura branch let me know, i have most of them.
>>
>> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>> escreveu no dia sábado, 14/09/2019 à(s) 19:11:
>>
>>> Thanks Cheri and Bill for your insight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill; Yes, you’re right about the middle names and what you say, makes
>>> sense given how they “played loose” with ther surnames!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks you both,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Bill Seidler 
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, September 14, 2019 11:51 AM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confusing marriage and obit, Santa
>>> Maria
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe they are the same person but she did not marry her
>>> father-in-law.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Her husband Manuel Joaquim de Bairros may have sometimes used his
>>> father's last name Raposo instead of de Bairros.  Her father-in-law's name
>>> was Manuel Caetano (not Joaquim) Raposo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 10:08:59 AM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m perplexed.  Question #1:  Is this the same Izabel?   Question #2:
>>> Did she marry her father-in-law?  Am I just confused from doing this too
>>> long?  Help, please.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Left page, Manoel and Izabel
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1835-1860/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1835-1860_item1/P46.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bottom, left: Izabel
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1842-1860/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1842-1860_item1/P36.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confusing marriage and obit, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Sam, i'm sorry, i totally misread the last name. It's actually SOUSA.

Here's Izabel:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1810-1828/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1810-1828_item1/P37.html

Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia sábado, 14/09/2019
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> Hi Sam,
>
> Cheri and Bill already got this one.
> If you help with the Loura branch let me know, i have most of them.
>
> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
> no dia sábado, 14/09/2019 à(s) 19:11:
>
>> Thanks Cheri and Bill for your insight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill; Yes, you’re right about the middle names and what you say, makes
>> sense given how they “played loose” with ther surnames!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks you both,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Bill Seidler 
>> *Sent: *Saturday, September 14, 2019 11:51 AM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confusing marriage and obit, Santa
>> Maria
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe they are the same person but she did not marry her
>> father-in-law.
>>
>>
>>
>> Her husband Manuel Joaquim de Bairros may have sometimes used his
>> father's last name Raposo instead of de Bairros.  Her father-in-law's name
>> was Manuel Caetano (not Joaquim) Raposo.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 10:08:59 AM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA)
>> wrote:
>>
>> I’m perplexed.  Question #1:  Is this the same Izabel?   Question #2:
>> Did she marry her father-in-law?  Am I just confused from doing this too
>> long?  Help, please.
>>
>>
>>
>> Left page, Manoel and Izabel
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1835-1860/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1835-1860_item1/P46.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Bottom, left: Izabel
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1842-1860/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1842-1860_item1/P36.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confusing marriage and obit, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

Cheri and Bill already got this one.
If you help with the Loura branch let me know, i have most of them.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia sábado, 14/09/2019 à(s) 19:11:

> Thanks Cheri and Bill for your insight.
>
>
>
> Bill; Yes, you’re right about the middle names and what you say, makes
> sense given how they “played loose” with ther surnames!
>
>
>
> Thanks you both,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Bill Seidler 
> *Sent: *Saturday, September 14, 2019 11:51 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confusing marriage and obit, Santa Maria
>
>
>
> I believe they are the same person but she did not marry her father-in-law.
>
>
>
> Her husband Manuel Joaquim de Bairros may have sometimes used his father's
> last name Raposo instead of de Bairros.  Her father-in-law's name was
> Manuel Caetano (not Joaquim) Raposo.
>
>
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 10:08:59 AM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA)
> wrote:
>
> I’m perplexed.  Question #1:  Is this the same Izabel?   Question #2:  Did
> she marry her father-in-law?  Am I just confused from doing this too long?
> Help, please.
>
>
>
> Left page, Manoel and Izabel
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1835-1860/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1835-1860_item1/P46.html
>
>
>
> Bottom, left: Izabel
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1842-1860/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1842-1860_item1/P36.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maternal grandfather's first name, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

The priest wrote something like Costhodio, it's the nowadays Custódio.

If you go to translate.google.pt, write Custódio and click the volume
button you'll hear the pronunciation

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'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia sábado, 14/09/2019 à(s) 19:06:

> Bottom left: Joaquina.   How do you spell the maternal grandfather’s first
> name:  Costhodco???
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822_item1/P131.html
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
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>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note, 1903 Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

The mother is Maria Roza. The rest Cheri already mentioned. For the year i
would say 1926 because the last word is very similar to the 'seis" of "seis
de outubro". Santana is a place near the airport the bay of Anjos.

The sidenote refering the death is about her husband - her marriage was
disolved, so now she's a widow. If it was her it would only say "Faleceu
etc etc ... " -

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia terça, 10/09/2019 à(s)
01:41:

> Hi Side note Sam! :)
>
> There's a comma after Maria Jose (o, we have someone who knows
> punctuation)! Then the word naturais (sp) meaning they are natives of. He
> didn't cross the "t" in the right place. They are natives of N.S. da
> Assuncao of this council and residents of Sant'Ana (? I think). Dated 6 Oct
> 1000 900 20 and ___ in this Vila of Porto. Then he dates it as 1926, so
> that blank after the 20 must be 6 (I thought maybe it's a "um" for 1).
>
> The 2nd note says the death was dissolved by the death of the spouse.
> Since this side note is in Jacinta's record, I take that as HER spouse, so
> Manuel died. Maybe someone can do better than me at it.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 5:25 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Having trouble with this side note.  I can see that Jacintha Soares de
>> Moura married Jose Joaquim Cabral who is the son of Manoel Joaquim Cabral
>> but; I can’t make out the mother’s name, Maria Jose Something or the
>> rest of that notation.  Does it give a date or a place for the marriage?
>>
>>
>>
>> Then I think the next note says that the marriage was dissolved by the
>> death of Jacintha on the 18 of August 1974.  Do I have that correct?
>>
>>
>>
>> #11, Jacintha, bottom left and on to next page.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P63.html
>>
>>
>>
>> As always, thanks for your help,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

I think i finally got it

«O individuo a
que se refere este re-
gisto de nome Ma-
nuel de Reis, fale-
ceu no lugar da
sua naturalidade
no estado de casa-
do com Maria do
Espirito Santo Re-
zendes, filha de Fran-
cisco Rezendes Cur-
velo e de Aurélia/Amélia(?)
Izabel Coelho(?), natu-
rais desta freguezia
[???]
dia catorze de novem-
bro de mil novecentos
e vinte e sete.
 Vila do Porto 15 de
novembro de 1927»
signature

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia segunda, 9/09/2019 à(s)
02:52:

> I called my 85 year old dad. I asked him what was the nickname of
> California. He said the Golden State. I asked him "since when" and he said
> ever since he was a kid, because of the 1849ners and the gold rush. I asked
> my dad if he had any of those pennants that he used to collect as a kid
> that had Golden State written on them and instead he took me down the
> rabbit hole of his childhood bedroom with maybe 2 walls of those felt
> pennants plastered on them. LOL
>
> I called Kalani and he said Hawaii was never known as the Golden State. So
> who knows what that scribe meant!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:05 PM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Just checked date for “The Golden State” and was rather shocked to be
>> honest. It said it became official in 1968. I’m a native Californian and
>> would have sworn it was earlier than that. Of course, it could have been
>> commonly used though not official prior to 1968. Requires more research.
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> California is known as "The Golden State" and Hawaii is "The Aloha
>> State," but I don't know those terms were in use in 1905ish. Hawaii may
>> have had another name, but I don't think it was the "Golden State" (since
>> California had the gold rush in the mid-1800s). I'll have to ask Kalani
>> what he knows about the history of Hawaii's slogans. Who knows, things
>> evolve over time!
>> Cheri MelloT
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 2:42 PM Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Cheri and Angela for the heads up.  I was wondering why it was
>>> coming to me so easy…I read the opposite record.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I can tell, the place is out of the Country.  I’m going to
>>> write what I see and then translate to I understand it to mean:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri, the area you highlighted:  no lugar de ane nalu na Cidade no
>>> estado de ourado
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My interpretation: in the Ananalu /Honolulu place, city of the Golden
>>> State.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>>> *Sent: *September 7, 2019 5:12 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto,
>>> Santa Maria
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I still see "lugar da  da cidade"
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 1:14 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Margaret;  Thank you.  I appreciate your help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Margaret Vicente 
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, September 7, 2019 1:10 PM
>>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto,
>>> Santa Maria
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Faleceu na freguesia de São Pedro.  He passed away in Vila do Porto
>>> Parish of São Pedro.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note, Tavares de Resendes, Sao Pedro,Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

The bold one has the same info about the marriage.

The other one: *Não vai selado por falta de meios dos interessados, e por
terem sido gratuitos os actos a que este assento se refere. Padre Dinis*

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia domingo, 8/09/2019 à(s) 22:27:

> Thanks so much Angela.  With this help, I was able to find Adelina’s birth
> record but; now I’m totally lost on this side note.  To me, all the letters
> are so blurred, I can’t make anything out.  Would it be possible for you to
> take a look and see if you can make anything out?  It’s #61, bottom right.
>
>
>
> Really appreciate all your help,
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1900-1906_item1/P176.htm
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Sunday, September 8, 2019 2:22 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note, Tavares de Resendes, Sao
> Pedro,Vila do Porto, Santa Maria
>
>
>
> His first "solteiro" is so different than his 2nd "solteiro." I would have
> never guessed.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 12:26 PM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Sam,
>
>
>
> Another tough one...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *O individuo a que se refere este registo de nomeManuel Tavares de
> Resendes, no estado de solteiro, con-traiu casamento neste concelho aos
> vinte e umde Maio do ano mil novecentos vinte e sete comAdelina(?) de Jesus
> Sousa de vinte e um anos, solteira,filha de José de Sousa d Rego e Maria
> José, naturais de N S Purificação Registo(?) nº9 (?)Vila do Porto25 de
> Julho 1959*
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 8/09/2019 à(s)
> 19:02:
>
> I don't read Manuel's status as married. He can't be married if he's
> getting married. It doesn't say single and it doesn't look like widowed.
> Someone else will have to get that word.
>
>
>
> I'm reading that the date in the text is 21 May 1000 900 20 and 7. Not the
> current year.
>
>
>
> Bride is Ana de Jesus something, 20 and 1 years, single, daughter of Jose
> de Something do Rego and Maria (would be my guess) Jose, natives of the
> referenced parish? Scribe gets crazy at the bottom.
>
>
>
> We need more help on this!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
>
>
>
> Top left. I can make out that Manoel Tavares de Resendes marries in this
> concelho on the 21st of May of the current year (1939?) somebody de Jesus 
> something,
> something, daughter of Jose de something Rego and Maria Jose ?? natural
> de parish of Vila do Porto?
>
>
>
> Can anyone confirm and fill in the blanks for me?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note, Tavares de Resendes, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

Another tough one...









*O individuo a que se refere este registo de nomeManuel Tavares de
Resendes, no estado de solteiro, con-traiu casamento neste concelho aos
vinte e umde Maio do ano mil novecentos vinte e sete comAdelina(?) de Jesus
Sousa de vinte e um anos, solteira,filha de José de Sousa d Rego e Maria
José, naturais de N S Purificação Registo(?) nº9 (?)Vila do Porto25 de
Julho 1959*

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 8/09/2019 à(s)
19:02:

> I don't read Manuel's status as married. He can't be married if he's
> getting married. It doesn't say single and it doesn't look like widowed.
> Someone else will have to get that word.
>
> I'm reading that the date in the text is 21 May 1000 900 20 and 7. Not the
> current year.
>
> Bride is Ana de Jesus something, 20 and 1 years, single, daughter of Jose
> de Something do Rego and Maria (would be my guess) Jose, natives of the
> referenced parish? Scribe gets crazy at the bottom.
>
> We need more help on this!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
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> On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Top left. I can make out that Manoel Tavares de Resendes marries in this
>> concelho on the 21st of May of the current year (1939?) somebody de
>> Jesus something, something, daughter of Jose de something Rego and Maria
>> Jose ?? natural de parish of Vila do Porto?
>>
>>
>>
>> Can anyone confirm and fill in the blanks for me?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Margaret,

Just to be sure, you read the sidenote for # 29? It looks like it says
something as "Cidade", that's really twisting my head...

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia sábado, 7/09/2019 à(s) 21:14:

> Margaret;  Thank you.  I appreciate your help.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Margaret Vicente 
> *Sent: *Saturday, September 7, 2019 1:10 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa
> Maria
>
>
>
> Faleceu na freguesia de São Pedro.  He passed away in Vila do Porto Parish
> of São Pedro.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hard to read.

- *Foi-lhe passada a cédula pessoal nº 161842. Vila do Porto, 9 de Outubro
de 1924 (signature)*
- the next i don't understand what it says after «faleceu no lugar
(???...)». The wife was indeed Maria do Espirito Santo Resendes, her father
looks like Francisco Resendes Curvelo and the mother Aurélia/Amélia Izabel
Coelho. The date looks like «catorze de novembro de 1927». signed Vila do
Porto 15 Nov 1927.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia sábado, 7/09/2019 à(s) 01:23:

> Need help with this side note please.  I think it says Manoel dos Reis6
> died while married to Maria de Espiritu Santo Resendes but; I can’t find
> the death date and I think I see another name in there but; not sure what
> it is or who it is.  I see 15 Nov 1924 at the bottom but; he was born 29
> Oct 1900.  Did he die shortly after marrying?  Thanks everyone for your
> help.  It’s #29 Manoel, bottom right and on to next page.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P18.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Double checking sidenote Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria 1901

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam, the link is missing

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia sábado, 7/09/2019 à(s) 02:53:

> #14 Angelina.  Do I have he side note correct.  Angelina married Joaquim
> de Moura on 17 Nov 1917.  She was only 17.  Joaquim died 20 Mar 1963.
> Angelina die 10 Dec 1981?
>
>
>
> Thanks for double checking this for me.  I think I’m getting a bit better
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Sam,

Custódio's parents are Francisco Soares de Figueiredo & Francisca Rosa da
Fonte, so you can check if it's the same Custódio.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia domingo, 1/09/2019 à(s) 17:58:

> Rosemarie;  I do have the name Custudio Jose de Figueiredo in my family
> tree.  Unfortunately, he is married to a different woman…  I know it could
> be a different wife of the same guy but; will have to prove it to know for
> sure.  Thanks for your take on the name..
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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> *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci 
> *Sent: *Sunday, September 1, 2019 10:49 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Barbara, Santa Maria
>
>
>
> Sam, I'm wondering if it's an old spelling of Custudio/Costudio?? I'll
> admit I know nothing of Santa Maria names so I'm sure there is someone who
> knows for sure!!
>
>
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>
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 9:43 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822_item1/P131.html
>
>
>
> Bottom, left, Joaquina.  I only need help with the maternal grandfather’s
> first name.  I’m seeing “something like” Costh???
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

Rosemarie is correct, it is Custódio, but written as "Costhodio".

Rosemarie Capodicci  escreveu no dia domingo, 1/09/2019
à(s) 17:49:

> Sam, I'm wondering if it's an old spelling of Custudio/Costudio?? I'll
> admit I know nothing of Santa Maria names so I'm sure there is someone who
> knows for sure!!
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 9:43 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822_item1/P131.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Bottom, left, Joaquina.  I only need help with the maternal grandfather’s
>> first name.  I’m seeing “something like” Costh???
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your help,
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Check the record in the previous pages and the next ones, where Bernardino
José de Sousa is refered to as the «sacristão desta igreja», so probably
the priest had his mind in another place when he wrote that record.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia domingo, 1/09/2019 à(s) 02:17:

> Top Right, Francisco.  I’m confused on this one.  I think it says that
> Francisco is the son of Joao Jacinto de Resendes e Jacinta Umbelina.
> Paternals are: Joao Jose de Resendes e Maria Francisca.  Maternals are:
> Joao Jose da Camara e Antonia Jacinta.  Then comes my confusion.  Towards
> the very bottom it looks to me that it says the witness is the baptized
> baby’s Maternal Ggrandfather: Bernardino Jose de Sousa.  Where am I going
> wrong here?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845_item1/P70.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and JoanaFernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Great job Margaret!
It reminded me that there's also available online the book of Carlos
Machado, with some lines regarding Santa Maria:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO_item1/P1.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help please Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto

[Ângela Loura]

It's Maria:
«O indivíduo a que se refere este registo de nome Maria da Assunção Soares,
com estado de casada com Manuel de Sousa, faleceu nesta freguesia no dia
dezasseis do corrente mês e ano.» 17-04-1934

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia quarta, 28/08/2019 à(s) 20:57:

> Is this side note showing someone dying on 17 Apr 1934.  Is it Maria
> d’Assumpacao Soares or her husband, Manoel de Sousa?  I show their marriage
> date as 10 Oct 1895 from their marriage record but; I don’t have the death
> date of either of them.
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions please

[Ângela Loura]

I would say it's the same person.
I have a Laurência who shows up as Laurência Rosa, Laurência de Jesus, and
finally Laurência Rosa de Jesus.

Also try to find out the death record(s) for your Joaquina.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quarta, 28/08/2019 à(s)
21:01:

> It depends on the record. At the baptism, the mother was not present (at
> least back in the day). So someone may not have remembered her middle name
> correctly. Or maybe she changed it for some reason. I make a timeline with
> all the records she is in and I weigh the evidence from there.
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
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> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:53 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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>> If one record says the wife, mother, or  grandmother is Joaquina Rosa and
>> one of the other records states her name as Joaquina Umbelina but; her
>> parents and grandparents are the same in all records; am I to think that
>> there are two Joaquinas. One is Joaquina Rosa and the other is Joaquina
>> Umbelina and they are sisters or am I to think that her name is either
>> Joaquina Rosa Umbelina or Joaquina Umbelina Rosa?
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help, 1870 Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto

[Ângela Loura]

Probably some family descendant asked for life event certificates in 2006
and the conservatory updated his original baptism record.

A quarta, 28 de ago de 2019, 17:11, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> escreveu:

> Angela;  I really appreciate you going back over this one for me.  Seems I
> had most things correct.  I find it really interesting that even after
> someone immigrated, the made notations on their birth records of the events
> in their lives.  I wonder if the individual came back and showed them proof
> of these events, well, obviously not the death or did the relatives give
> the information and proof.  In this case, it apparently was all done at the
> same time after the death of Luis.  Interesting…
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:52 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help, 1870 Sao Pedro, Vila do
> Porto
>
>
>
> 1st side note: Basically says he married Rosa Brasil on the 11th of July
> 1891 in Providence, Rhode Island.
>
> (side note added in April 19 2006 by officer of the *Conservatória do
> Registo Civil de Vila do Porto*, Margarida Almeida)
>
>
>
> 2rd side note: 1st wife, Rosa Brasil dies on 7 December 1912?
>
> (side note added in April 19 2006 by officer of the *Conservatória do
> Registo Civil de Vila do Porto*, Margarida Almeida)
>
>
>
> 3rd side note: Luis marries Umbelina Resendes in Rehoboth, Massachusetts
> on what date??
>
>  (side note added in April 19 2006 by officer of the *Conservatória do
> Registo Civil de Vila do Porto*, Margarida Almeida)
>
>
>
> 4th side note: Luis died on the 14th of February 1948
>
> (side note added in April 19 2006 by officer of the *Conservatória do
> Registo Civil de Vila do Porto*, Margarida Almeida)
>
>
>
> All side notes show a different number/code, I think related to the info
> entry in the Conservatory system.
>
>
>
> A quarta, 28 de ago de 2019, 03:26, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
>  escreveu:
>
> Angela, Ok, but; what is the 2nd side not about?  I can’t figure out that
> one at all and do you have any hints on what I’ve marked in red, below.
>
>
>
> Thanks Angela, appreciate your help.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:53 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help, 1870 Sao Pedro, Vila do
> Porto
>
>
>
> Hi Sam,
>
>
>
> All the sidenotes were added in 2006 by officer of the *Conservatória do
> Registo Civil de Vila do Porto*, so at the end of each sidenote you see
> April 19 2006 and Margarida Almeida's signature.
>
>
>
> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
> no dia quarta, 28/08/2019 à(s) 01:44:
>
> Right hand page.  #27.  I think I can read the first and the last side
> notes but; not sure about the middle two.
>
>
>
> 1st side note:  Basically says he married Rosa Brasil on the 11th of July
> 1891 in Providence, Rhode Island.
>
>
>
> Un-numbered side note: Something happened on the 27th of March 2006.  Did
> he become a U.S. citizen then?  It looks like something to do with civil
> rights??
>
>
>
> 2rd side note: 1st wife, Rosa Brasil dies on 7 December 1912?
>
>
>
> 3rd side note: Luis marries Umbelina Resendes in Rehoboth, Massachusetts
> on what date??  It can’t be in 2006 because he was already dead then,
> right?
>
>
>
> 4th side note:  Luis died on the 14th of February 1948.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P16.html
>
>
>
> Thank you for helping me with this,
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help, 1870 Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto

[Ângela Loura]

1st side note: Basically says he married Rosa Brasil on the 11th of July
1891 in Providence, Rhode Island.
(side note added in April 19 2006 by officer of the *Conservatória do
Registo Civil de Vila do Porto*, Margarida Almeida)

2rd side note: 1st wife, Rosa Brasil dies on 7 December 1912?
(side note added in April 19 2006 by officer of the *Conservatória do
Registo Civil de Vila do Porto*, Margarida Almeida)

3rd side note: Luis marries Umbelina Resendes in Rehoboth, Massachusetts on
what date??
 (side note added in April 19 2006 by officer of the *Conservatória do
Registo Civil de Vila do Porto*, Margarida Almeida)

4th side note: Luis died on the 14th of February 1948
(side note added in April 19 2006 by officer of the *Conservatória do
Registo Civil de Vila do Porto*, Margarida Almeida)

All side notes show a different number/code, I think related to the info
entry in the Conservatory system.

A quarta, 28 de ago de 2019, 03:26, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> escreveu:

> Angela, Ok, but; what is the 2nd side not about?  I can’t figure out that
> one at all and do you have any hints on what I’ve marked in red, below.
>
>
>
> Thanks Angela, appreciate your help.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:53 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help, 1870 Sao Pedro, Vila do
> Porto
>
>
>
> Hi Sam,
>
>
>
> All the sidenotes were added in 2006 by officer of the *Conservatória do
> Registo Civil de Vila do Porto*, so at the end of each sidenote you see
> April 19 2006 and Margarida Almeida's signature.
>
>
>
> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
> no dia quarta, 28/08/2019 à(s) 01:44:
>
> Right hand page.  #27.  I think I can read the first and the last side
> notes but; not sure about the middle two.
>
>
>
> 1st side note:  Basically says he married Rosa Brasil on the 11th of July
> 1891 in Providence, Rhode Island.
>
>
>
> Un-numbered side note: Something happened on the 27th of March 2006.  Did
> he become a U.S. citizen then?  It looks like something to do with civil
> rights??
>
>
>
> 2rd side note: 1st wife, Rosa Brasil dies on 7 December 1912?
>
>
>
> 3rd side note: Luis marries Umbelina Resendes in Rehoboth, Massachusetts
> on what date??  It can’t be in 2006 because he was already dead then,
> right?
>
>
>
> 4th side note:  Luis died on the 14th of February 1948.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P16.html
>
>
>
> Thank you for helping me with this,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help, 1870 Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

All the sidenotes were added in 2006 by officer of the *Conservatória do
Registo Civil de Vila do Porto*, so at the end of each sidenote you see
April 19 2006 and Margarida Almeida's signature.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia quarta, 28/08/2019 à(s) 01:44:

> Right hand page.  #27.  I think I can read the first and the last side
> notes but; not sure about the middle two.
>
>
>
> 1st side note:  Basically says he married Rosa Brasil on the 11th of July
> 1891 in Providence, Rhode Island.
>
>
>
> Un-numbered side note: Something happened on the 27th of March 2006.  Did
> he become a U.S. citizen then?  It looks like something to do with civil
> rights??
>
>
>
> 2rd side note: 1st wife, Rosa Brasil dies on 7 December 1912?
>
>
>
> 3rd side note: Luis marries Umbelina Resendes in Rehoboth, Massachusetts
> on what date??  It can’t be in 2006 because he was already dead then,
> right?
>
>
>
> 4th side note:  Luis died on the 14th of February 1948.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P16.html
>
>
>
> Thank you for helping me with this,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and Joana Fernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

You got the names on the record right.

I took a look at the RR book, and it says:

*(...) Baltazar Velho, era filho de Domingos Velho e de Joana Fernandes
(casados em Santa Bárbara, de Santa Maria a 24.10.1701), ele filho de
Manuel Fernandes da Silva (filho de Francisco Vaz Delgado e Catarina
Gonçalves) e de Maria Velho (casados em Santa Bárbara em 1647) e esta
última filha de Sebastião Velho Botelho e Maria da Fonte. Joana Fernandes
(mãe de Baltazar Velho) era filha de Francisco Curvelo e Jerónima Fernandes
(casados em Santa Bárbara em 1658) ele filho de Manuel Curvelo e de Maria
da Fonte, e ela filha de António Velho e Margarida da Fonte.*

Bill Seidler  escreveu no dia terça, 27/08/2019 à(s)
08:39:

> I think this might be the marriage of the groom's parents:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P15.html
>  (upper
> left starting on previous page)
>
> What I think I see is:
>
> Manuel Fernandes, son of Andre Fernandes da Silva and Anna Velha
> (deceased) marrying Maria Velha daughter of Antonio Velho da Costa and
> Breatis (Beatris?) George.
>
> Reading around the torn pages, the date is the fifteenth of some month in
> 1657 or Jan of 1658.
>
> I appreciate any other insight or opinions.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:00:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:
>>
>> Can someone please help with this record.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P62.html
>>  (left
>> side)
>>
>> Groom's parents: Manuel Fernandes da Silva and Maria ???
>>
>> Bride's parents: Francisco ?Cruvelho? and his wife ??? ???.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Bill Seidler
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1710 Baptism of Baltazar Velho, Santa Maria Island

[Ângela Loura]

Ok, i have access now.

«nasceu em os vinte e sete dias do mês de Dezembro do ano de mil e
setecentos e dez, era que já corre. Foi baptizado por mim o cura desta
igreja Baltazar Ferreira ao primeiro dia de Janeiro (...)»



Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia terça, 27/08/2019 à(s)
15:49:

> For some reason i can't access CCA, so i can't check the recor. I was
> curious to see if your Baltazar had anything to do with mine also from
> Santa Bárbara, but i think mine shows up as Balthazar da Fonte, o Velho.
>
> Be sure that the pages are in the correct order, because some older books
> from Santa Maria are completely falling appart and it's possible that they
> weren'r correctly reassembled.
>
> Bill Seidler  escreveu no dia terça, 27/08/2019 à(s)
> 06:02:
>
>> This baptism gives a date of birth of 27 Dec 1710 and baptized on 1 Jan
>> of the same year.  It seems obvious by dates on the surrounding records
>> that the birth date was actually in December of 1709.
>>
>> I am curious as to what is written on lines 4 and 5 between the date and
>> the priest's name (...sete centos e des ? por mim...).  All of the
>> other records simply say "foi baptizado por mim"
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1694-1724/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1694-1724_item1/P41.html
>>  (lower
>> left)
>>
>> Concerning an earlier post about the name Velho:  In this line of my
>> wife's ancestors Velho is the surname at least 4 generations in a row (I
>> haven't found Domingos' father yet).  After four generations of males using
>> Velho, the son in next generation used the mother's surname of Braga.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and Joana Fernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Manuel Fernandes da Silva & Maria Velha
Francisco Curvelo & Jerónima Fernandes

Bill Seidler  escreveu no dia terça, 27/08/2019 à(s)
07:00:

> Can someone please help with this record.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P62.html
>  (left
> side)
>
> Groom's parents: Manuel Fernandes da Silva and Maria ???
>
> Bride's parents: Francisco ?Cruvelho? and his wife ??? ???.
>
> Thank you,
> Bill Seidler
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1710 Baptism of Baltazar Velho, Santa Maria Island

[Ângela Loura]

For some reason i can't access CCA, so i can't check the recor. I was
curious to see if your Baltazar had anything to do with mine also from
Santa Bárbara, but i think mine shows up as Balthazar da Fonte, o Velho.

Be sure that the pages are in the correct order, because some older books
from Santa Maria are completely falling appart and it's possible that they
weren'r correctly reassembled.

Bill Seidler  escreveu no dia terça, 27/08/2019 à(s)
06:02:

> This baptism gives a date of birth of 27 Dec 1710 and baptized on 1 Jan of
> the same year.  It seems obvious by dates on the surrounding records that
> the birth date was actually in December of 1709.
>
> I am curious as to what is written on lines 4 and 5 between the date and
> the priest's name (...sete centos e des ? por mim...).  All of the
> other records simply say "foi baptizado por mim"
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1694-1724/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1694-1724_item1/P41.html
>  (lower
> left)
>
> Concerning an earlier post about the name Velho:  In this line of my
> wife's ancestors Velho is the surname at least 4 generations in a row (I
> haven't found Domingos' father yet).  After four generations of males using
> Velho, the son in next generation used the mother's surname of Braga.
>
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Wrong surname of mother of the groom, help please..

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I think it says «filho de José Soares e de sua mulher Dona Isabel da
Conceição defuntos (...)» - hopefully someone can shed more light.

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> Left side.  The groom’s mother’s name:  Izabel de Concepcion de Fontes or
> de Santos?  It *should* be Figueiredo??  I have her obit showing her
> married to Jose when she died???
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1757 marriage, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

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«que Deus o tem», meaning his father was deceased.
Doña is spanish and is pronnounced diferent from the portuguese Dona (it's
almost like the name Donna, but the 'o' is like the 'oa' of 'boat').
I think you got everything right

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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1738-1789/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1738-1789_item1/P43
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>
> Left page
>
>
>
> Married on 22 June 1757. Jose Soares son of Manoel Soares ??  ?? and his
> wife Izabel de Sousa with Doña (with two n’s) Izabel Framcisca de
> Figueiredo daughter of Alferes Joam Soares de Figueiredo, now dead; and his
> wife, Doña Maria de Braga.  They’re all from Santa Barbara.
>
>
>
> Did I get it right?  Anything else of importance.  What is that date about
> on the bottom quarter of the record?  The side note?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question regarding the meaning of: Velho

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It depends on the case. Sometimes it was only used to mention the elder
person with X name, and sometimes it became a last name just like some
nicknames do.

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> Good afternoon everyone; I have a question regarding the word/name:
> Velho.  When you see it after someone’s name without a comma, is it a part
> of the name or just it mean, “the elder” or something like that.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto. Need a little help, please

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In 1997 the guy from the archive in Ponta Delgada wrote that side note. I
can't understand the abbreviation "Bol. Dir.".

#2 the sentence is tricky but basically the priest meant that both son and
father were from the same parish (from São Pedro), and them moved on to the
mother (from Barbara), going back to the "formal" model of the marriage
records. Uff!

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> Side margin note #1: The marriage was dissolved by the death of the
> spouse, Maria Umbelina de Jesus, on the 31 March 1905, in the same parish,
> record #2. Then the next might be a 2nd margin note. Something happened on
> the 1 Oct 1997. I'm not sure if it's his death. There's 2 abbreviated words
> right after the (Ass. No.2).
>
> On the groom's mother, yeah, it says legitimate mother. There's something
> before the dad's name too. More research is needed. Perhaps his mother died
> and he was raised by a stepmom? I've never seen this either, so perhaps a
> native speaker can shed more light on this.
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:50 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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>> I have two questions on this one.  #1 what does the side note say?  It
>> goes on to the next page for the side note and my second question.  #2 what
>> is the word and what does it mean in front of the groom’s mother’s name?
>> The priest seems to be calling out that this is the father’s “legitimate”
>> wife.  I don’t usually see that done….
>>
>>
>>
>> #6, bottom right:  Manoel Soares Coelho and Maria Umbelina de Jesus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1890-1899_item1/P45.html
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>> As always, your help is much appreciated,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with child's name, etc., Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

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Hi Sam,

Francisco:
[image: image.png]

PG's Francisco Coelho de Resendes & Marianna (he wrote Mare Anna) Francisca.
MG's Manoel Coelho & Francisca Roza do Sacramento.
Born 20 Apr 1811, Bapt. 29 Apr.

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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1810-1828/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1810-1828_item1/P7.html
>
>
>
> Top left record.  I can’t make out the child’s name.  Parents are: Antonio
> Coelho and Anna Bernardina Coelho.  Paternals are: Francisco Coelho de ??
> and Maria? Anna ??.  Maternals: Manoel Jose Coelho and Francisca Rosa de
> Sacramento.  Baby born 20 April 1811?
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> Any and all help is much appreciated,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Camara, Costa Ganhadeiro in Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel island

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José da Costa Ganhadeiro

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sábado, 3/08/2019 à(s)
02:46:

> I need a 2nd opinion on the maternal grandfather, 9 lines from the bottom:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1880-1884/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1880-1884_item1/P168.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Paternal grandfather's first name? Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

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Yes, that is correct.

A segunda, 29 de jul de 2019, 21:43, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
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>
>
>
> Top left:  Jose.  Am I reading correctly?  Is the paternal grandfather
> Tome Francisco de Mello?  It’s the “Tome” that I feel unsure of.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Relationships at bottom of record, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

I think it says that the godfather was paternal uncle, and the first
witness brother of the father. So... They are both brothers of Anna's
father, and both Anna's paternal uncles.

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>
>
>
> Anna, bottom right.  There is a whole lot of information in the last
> quarter of the record regarding the relationship of the witness and
> godparents to the family of Anna but; I’m having a hard time figuring it
> out.  Would really appreciate it if someone could make sense of it all for
> me.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help confirming father's and paternal grandmother's names please (Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria)

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Maria dos Prazeres. And the date is correct.

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>
>
>
> Maria, top right.  I think the father’s name is Antonio Feliciano and the
> paternal grandmother is Maria dos ??
>
>
>
> Also, birth date is the 26 October 1825, correct?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

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No Henry Lloyd in the list:
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_governantes_dos_A%C3%A7ores

Maybe he went there for diferent reasons.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quinta, 11/07/2019 à(s)
01:46:

> Jan,
>
> Go back and reread the email. I did not give you the link to FamilySearch.
> I gave you the link to Tombo.pt, which in turn, links you to the AZOREAN
> GOVERNMENT web site. There is a difference between the two.
>
> To my knowledge, the Azores never had governors. I don't think they'd let
> a non-Portuguese have power. However, I am not well versed in Azorean
> history, so those who are will chime in, I'm sure.
>
> Happy hunting,
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> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jan Visinko 
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>> Hi Thanks for your reply, it was very helpful.  I am familiar with the
>> Familysearch site.  But knowing the steps to use in researching so thanks
>> for including them.  I believe Jane Whittle was born in the Azores circa
>> 1800.  I have also read that her guardian Henry Lloyd was the temporary
>> governor of the Azores he was born 1784 died 1844. I am trying to google
>> the governors to see if I can confirm.  Warm Regards, Jan Visinko
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 2:46 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Jan V,
>>>
>>> Where was Jane Whittle born? You never state that.
>>>
>>> The Azores is an autonomous region of Portugal. They consist of 9
>>> islands, the largest of which is Sao Miguel. San Miguel is one of the
>>> Channel Islands off the coast of California. :)
>>>
>>> Everything in the Azores is organized on the town level (village or
>>> freguesia). They are mainly the Catholic records. Were your people
>>> Catholic? If so, start going through all 70 or so churches on Sao Miguel
>>> island, looking for your people. https://tombo.pt/i/sao-miguel
>>>
>>> If they were not Catholic, they may have used the Civil Registry for
>>> that time period. Some of those records exist. I don't believe they were
>>> digitized. You will have to go to your local Family History Center (FHC)
>>> that is affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
>>> (no, you don't need to be Mormon to use their library). You will have to
>>> order the film for each village that had Civil Registry records and look
>>> through them for your people.
>>> Good luck,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 9:37 AM Jan Visinko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi, I am from Australia. I am looking for the birth of my ggg
 grandmother Jane Whittle born circa 1800.  On Jane's marriage certificate
 she has guardians called Henry and Mary Lloyd.  Her husband James Christie
 worked for Lloyds Shipping in Portugal (Aveiro and Figueira) 1818.  I
 believe she could be the daughter of Col. Samuel Whittle and his wife
 Catharine, and the sister of Mary Lloyd, born in San Miguel 28.10.1789,
 full name Alicia Mary de Visme Whittle. She married Henry Lloyd in UK 1811.
 I believe Jane and James met in Portugal, went by ship to England to marry
 and returned to St. Miguel. There first born Mary Jane was born in
 Portugal.   Is there anyone who can help me with these families?  I would
 be most grateful, thanks Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Margaret,

I really appreciate your help, thank you so much!



Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia segunda,
8/07/2019 à(s) 15:51:

> Hi Angela,
>
>
>
> That’s what I have.  You asked about the mother’s line,  I’ll PM it to you.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *July 8, 2019 2:53 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira
> Pimentel
>
>
>
> Hi Margaret,
>
>
>
> After reading your reply I found on CCA an index book for a short period
> of baptisms in Água de Pau, and I think I found the remaining 4 children:
>
>- (1) *Cândida*
>- (3) *José*
>- (4) *Lebania*
>- (6) *Miquelina*
>
> Are these names the ones you have?
>
> After reading Candida's record now I get that the mother appeared as Maria
> Miquelina in the marriage record!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A segunda, 8 de jul de 2019, 01:40, Ângela Loura 
> escreveu:
>
> Thanks Margaret, another José! :) Still the age on the death record is
> off, they forgot to add the "pouco mais ou menos".
>
> Do you have more record on the mother? I'm wondering why she show's as
> Maria Miguelina on her marriage, and Maria dos Anjos on her children
> baptism and death records...
>
>
>
> I am asking for other sibbling because i'd like to try to find descendants
> of this couple.
>
>
>
> Once again thank you so much for your help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia segunda,
> 8/07/2019 à(s) 01:26:
>
> I have six children for this couple.  Are you looking for anyone in
> particular, aside from Jose?
>
>
>
> The baptism link I sent earlier you was the wrong Jose, sorry.  Here's the
> right one, top, right side.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832_item1/P116.html
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 6:38 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
>
> Margaret, thank you so much
>
>
>
> Do you know if this couple had more children?
>
>
>
> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia domingo,
> 7/07/2019 à(s) 21:41:
>
> Angela,
>
>
>
> I have this family. Here's his birth record, left page:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825_item1/P90.html
>
>
>
>
> Here's the parents, left side:
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P84.html
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
>
> Hi Mara, thank you for your reply. Since i last posted i was able to check
> what that link is all about. It's an index of something called *Índices
> do Cartório da Mitra de Angra*, that is slowly becoming available in the
> *Atlântida* magazine, and can be helpflul to Genealogy.
>
>
>
> In adition, a relative of mine found the death record for the priest José
> Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel. He died in 1888 at the age of 54 in Ribeira Chã,
> and it states that his parents were from *Villa da Lagoa*. I tried to
> shearch the matching period of his birth, but so far nothing.
>
>
>
> Anyone came across his parents?
>
>
>
> *José Jacinto Ferreira* & *Maria dos Anjos* from "*Villa da Lagoa*" (São
> Miguel)
>
> [image: jjf ma.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> segunda-feira, 10 de Junho de 2019 às 01:29:53 UTC+1, Ângela Loura
> escreveu:
>
> Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called *José
> Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel*?
>
> I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa Maria, and
> i think that after that he was in Arrifes.
>
>
>
> Any clue would be very helpfull.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Margaret,

After reading your reply I found on CCA an index book for a short period of
baptisms in Água de Pau, and I think I found the remaining 4 children:

   - (1) *Cândida*
   - (3) *José*
   - (4) *Lebania*
   - (6) *Miquelina*

Are these names the ones you have?
After reading Candida's record now I get that the mother appeared as Maria
Miquelina in the marriage record!



A segunda, 8 de jul de 2019, 01:40, Ângela Loura 
escreveu:

> Thanks Margaret, another José! :) Still the age on the death record is
> off, they forgot to add the "pouco mais ou menos".
> Do you have more record on the mother? I'm wondering why she show's as
> Maria Miguelina on her marriage, and Maria dos Anjos on her children
> baptism and death records...
>
> I am asking for other sibbling because i'd like to try to find descendants
> of this couple.
>
> Once again thank you so much for your help.
>
>
>
> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia segunda,
> 8/07/2019 à(s) 01:26:
>
>> I have six children for this couple.  Are you looking for anyone in
>> particular, aside from Jose?
>>
>> The baptism link I sent earlier you was the wrong Jose, sorry.  Here's
>> the right one, top, right side.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832_item1/P116.html
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 6:38 PM Ângela Loura 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Margaret, thank you so much
>>>
>>> Do you know if this couple had more children?
>>>
>>> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia domingo,
>>> 7/07/2019 à(s) 21:41:
>>>
>>>> Angela,
>>>>
>>>> I have this family. Here's his birth record, left page:
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825_item1/P90.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the parents, left side:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P84.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Ângela Loura 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mara, thank you for your reply. Since i last posted i was able to
>>>>> check what that link is all about. It's an index of something called 
>>>>> *Índices
>>>>> do Cartório da Mitra de Angra*, that is slowly becoming available in
>>>>> the *Atlântida* magazine, and can be helpflul to Genealogy.
>>>>>
>>>>> In adition, a relative of mine found the death record for the priest
>>>>> José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel. He died in 1888 at the age of 54 in 
>>>>> Ribeira
>>>>> Chã, and it states that his parents were from *Villa da Lagoa*. I
>>>>> tried to shearch the matching period of his birth, but so far nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone came across his parents?
>>>>>
>>>>> José Jacinto Ferreira & Maria dos Anjos from "Villa da Lagoa" (São
>>>>> Miguel)
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: jjf ma.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> segunda-feira, 10 de Junho de 2019 às 01:29:53 UTC+1, Ângela Loura
>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called José
>>>>>> Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel?
>>>>>> I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa
>>>>>> Maria, and i think that after that he was in Arrifes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any clue would be very helpfull.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Ângela Loura]

Thanks Margaret, another José! :) Still the age on the death record is off,
they forgot to add the "pouco mais ou menos".
Do you have more record on the mother? I'm wondering why she show's as
Maria Miguelina on her marriage, and Maria dos Anjos on her children
baptism and death records...

I am asking for other sibbling because i'd like to try to find descendants
of this couple.

Once again thank you so much for your help.



Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia segunda,
8/07/2019 à(s) 01:26:

> I have six children for this couple.  Are you looking for anyone in
> particular, aside from Jose?
>
> The baptism link I sent earlier you was the wrong Jose, sorry.  Here's the
> right one, top, right side.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832_item1/P116.html
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 6:38 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
>
>> Margaret, thank you so much
>>
>> Do you know if this couple had more children?
>>
>> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia domingo,
>> 7/07/2019 à(s) 21:41:
>>
>>> Angela,
>>>
>>> I have this family. Here's his birth record, left page:
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825_item1/P90.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's the parents, left side:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P84.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Ângela Loura 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mara, thank you for your reply. Since i last posted i was able to
>>>> check what that link is all about. It's an index of something called 
>>>> *Índices
>>>> do Cartório da Mitra de Angra*, that is slowly becoming available in
>>>> the *Atlântida* magazine, and can be helpflul to Genealogy.
>>>>
>>>> In adition, a relative of mine found the death record for the priest
>>>> José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel. He died in 1888 at the age of 54 in Ribeira
>>>> Chã, and it states that his parents were from *Villa da Lagoa*. I
>>>> tried to shearch the matching period of his birth, but so far nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone came across his parents?
>>>>
>>>> José Jacinto Ferreira & Maria dos Anjos from "Villa da Lagoa" (São
>>>> Miguel)
>>>>
>>>> [image: jjf ma.jpg]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> segunda-feira, 10 de Junho de 2019 às 01:29:53 UTC+1, Ângela Loura
>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called José
>>>>> Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel?
>>>>> I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa Maria,
>>>>> and i think that after that he was in Arrifes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any clue would be very helpfull.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1799 Marriage, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria; need help please

[Ângela Loura]

José Manuel Coelho, son of Manuel Coelho de Moura (deceased) & Maria de
Jesus, from São Pedro.
Maria Francisca, daughter of Manuel José de Resendes Mello & his first wife
Rosa Maria (deceased).

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia segunda, 8/07/2019 à(s) 01:09:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1789-1844/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1789-1844_item1/P24.html
>
>
>
> Left hand page, I’m really lost here.  The whole structure is different
> from what I’m used to but; is that Manoel Jose Coelho son of Manoel Coelho
> and his wife Maria de Jesus marrying Maria Francisca daughter of Manoel
> Jose de Resendes Mello and his first wife, Rosa Maria?
>
>
>
> If that is what you see, any other information you can figure out from
> that chicken scratch would be very much appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Ângela Loura]

Margaret, thank you so much

Do you know if this couple had more children?

Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia domingo,
7/07/2019 à(s) 21:41:

> Angela,
>
> I have this family. Here's his birth record, left page:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825_item1/P90.html
>
>
> Here's the parents, left side:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P84.html
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mara, thank you for your reply. Since i last posted i was able to
>> check what that link is all about. It's an index of something called *Índices
>> do Cartório da Mitra de Angra*, that is slowly becoming available in the
>> *Atlântida* magazine, and can be helpflul to Genealogy.
>>
>> In adition, a relative of mine found the death record for the priest José
>> Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel. He died in 1888 at the age of 54 in Ribeira Chã,
>> and it states that his parents were from *Villa da Lagoa*. I tried to
>> shearch the matching period of his birth, but so far nothing.
>>
>> Anyone came across his parents?
>>
>> José Jacinto Ferreira & Maria dos Anjos from "Villa da Lagoa" (São
>> Miguel)
>>
>> [image: jjf ma.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> segunda-feira, 10 de Junho de 2019 às 01:29:53 UTC+1, Ângela Loura
>> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called José
>>> Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel?
>>> I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa Maria,
>>> and i think that after that he was in Arrifes.
>>>
>>> Any clue would be very helpfull.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Mara, thank you for your reply. Since i last posted i was able to check 
what that link is all about. It's an index of something called *Índices do 
Cartório da Mitra de Angra*, that is slowly becoming available in the 
*Atlântida* magazine, and can be helpflul to Genealogy.

In adition, a relative of mine found the death record for the priest José 
Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel. He died in 1888 at the age of 54 in Ribeira Chã, 
and it states that his parents were from *Villa da Lagoa*. I tried to 
shearch the matching period of his birth, but so far nothing. 

Anyone came across his parents?

José Jacinto Ferreira & Maria dos Anjos from "Villa da Lagoa" (São Miguel) 

[image: jjf ma.jpg]


Thanks!


segunda-feira, 10 de Junho de 2019 às 01:29:53 UTC+1, Ângela Loura escreveu:
>
> Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called José Jacinto 
> Ferreira Pimentel? 
> I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa Maria, and 
> i think that after that he was in Arrifes. 
>
> Any clue would be very helpfull. 
>
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Ângela Loura]

Manoel, legitimate son of Antonio Feliciano de Sousa, 'Alfaiate'=tailor,
native of this parochial church of the Apostle of Saint Peter of this
island of Santa Maria and of his wife/woman Francisca Umbelina de
Figueiredo, native of the matrix of our Lady of Assumption of this island,
residents of Alto de Ponente (actually 'Alto Poente', at the end of this
parochial (yes, parish) of San Pedro, paternal, I mean to say, paternal
grandson of Jose Francisco de Fontes and of Maria dos Prazeres , both of
this parochial and maternal of Antonio Jose de Figueiredo,
'Alfaiate'=tailor  , and of his first wife, Margarida Roza natural of this
same matrix, born on the 18 day of the month of January of the year 1844
and was baptized on the 24th of the same month in this parochial of his
parents by me Manoel Coelho (abbreviation Vo or Uo., maybe for Vasco or
Urbano) de Bettencourt, priest of her and godparents were, the very
Reverend Omnibusman Vicar himself, Bernardino Jose Toledo and witnesses
were Joao Maria de Sousa and his brother, Luis Maria de Sousa, both single
and residents at the end of this parochial (parish) that with me signed
this on the same day, month and year as above.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia quinta, 4/07/2019 à(s) 23:50:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845_item1/P109.html
>
>
>
> Additionally, below is my translation.  If someone could fill in the
> question marks for me, I would really appreciate it.  I think in each case
> “parochial should be replaced with parish? I can’t figure out the father
> and grandfather’s occupation and the name of the maternal grandmother. Many
> thanks in advance.  I’m doing this translation for a distant cousin
> recently connected with.
>
> Manoel, legitimate son of Antonio Feliciano de Sousa, potter, native of
> this parochial church of the Apostle of Saint Peter of this island of Santa
> Maria and of his wife/woman Francisca Umbelina de Figueiredo, native of the
> matrix of our Lady of Assumption of this island, residents of Alto de ??,
> at the end of this parochial (parish?) of San Pedro, paternal, I mean to
> say, paternal grandson of Jose Francisco de Fontes and of Maria dos ?? ,
> both of this parochial and maternal of Antonio Jose de Figueiredo, potter,
> and of his first wife, Margarida Re?? natural of this same matrix, born
> on the 18 day of the month of January of the year 1844 and was baptized on
> the 24th of the same month in this parochial of his parents by me Manoel
> Coelho ?? de Bettencourt, priest of her and godparents were, the very
> Reverend Omnibusman Vicar himself, Bernardino Jose Toledo and witnesses
> were Joao Maria de Sousa and his brother, Luis Maria de Sousa, both single
> and residents at the end of this parochial (parish) that with me signed
> this on the same day, month and year as above.
>
>
>
> Signatures of the priest: Manoel Coelho ?? de Bettencourt
>
> Joao de Maria de Sousa
>
> Luis Maria
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't make out this word, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

It's "alfaiate", the priest wrote "alfaate".

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia quinta, 4/07/2019 à(s) 23:09:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845_item1/P109.html
>
>
>
> Bottom left, after the fathers name, is that alfreter – potter ?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unknown Parents...Dead End?

[Ângela Loura]

DNA could help you.

My great grandfather was a 'filho de pai incognito'. we confirmed who the
father was. Now, his father was also a 'filho de pai incognito'. Rumours
were passed through the generations about who the father might be, so i am
trying to find living descendants of this person to crosscheck with DNA.



robertjm  escreveu no dia quarta,
3/07/2019 à(s) 19:19:

> Hi Leana,
>
> Have you done any DNA testing yet? In cases where you’ve got a “pai
> incógnito “ this might help you to bridge the gap by finding someone who is
> related.
>
> The trick will then be trying to piece together a paper trail, if that’s
> even possible.
>
> I’m on my smartphone so can’t look at the links you provided. But, since
> there are usually multiple people on a page you should provide us with
> their name, as Cheri pointed out earlier.
>
> Good luck!
>
> I’ve got a g-g-g-grandfather who is Pai Incognito that I’ve been trying to
> get by. DNA tests suggest I’m related to Anthony Sizer. But, there’s no
> paper trail to follow. :-(
>
> Robert
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Topo marriage side note

[Ângela Loura]

Isabel d'Oliveira
Manuel Silveira Gregório

Marilyn Thompson  escreveu no dia segunda, 1/07/2019
à(s) 23:54:

> Right page
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828_item1/P65.html
>
>
> This is what I have date of marriage: 11 Aug 1804 in Topo
>  Antonio Luiz son of Manuel Luiz Pereira and Isabel ___  Topo
>
> Angela Marianna daughter of Manuel Silveira ___ and Anna Maria Do
> Rozario   Ribeira Seca
>
> I can see that it looks like dates in the margin, but do not know what
> they are for
>
> Thanks you for your help
>
> Marilyn T
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA

[Ângela Loura]

You receive XX from your mother and YX from your father.

A domingo, 30 de jun de 2019, 16:39, Paul  escreveu:

> Hello all:
>
> I have a DNA question I hope someone with more knowledge can answer.
> Myself and a few other family members tested with 23andMe. My oldest sister
> (who is actually my half sister (different fathers)) and I recently
> discovered we have a half brother. You guessed it, we all have different
> fathers. While looking at mine and Dean’s (half brothers given name) shared
> segments, how can we have completely identical match on the X chromosome
> when we have different fathers? My paternal haplogroup is R-P311 while
> Dean’s is R-CTS6. All three of us share the same maternal haplogroup
> U5b...
>
> Paul G.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book: Families of the Furnas Valley 1671-2017

[Ângela Loura]

Luís, where will you be presenting it in Lisbon? Casa dos Açores?

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quarta, 26/06/2019 à(s)
15:54:

> Repost for Luis Miguel Rodrigues Martins, lrazoresgenealog...@sapo.pt
>
> I want to inform all friends of this group that I will be launching my
> work "Families of the Furnas Valley (1671-2017)" on next July 19th in
> Furnas.
> There are also presentations of these books in the cities of Ponta Delgada
> (July 25), Lisbon (in September) and Fall River, Mass., USA on November 3,
> 2019.
> There will also be a presentation in Toronto, but still undated.
> The price of the eight books will be 130.00 euros, without shipping charge.
> Thank you!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

[Ângela Loura]

t;
>
> On 25 Jun 2019, at 23:02, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Cheri.  When I was in Lisbon, many years ago. I notice a lot of
> store fronts with The name Coelho, my surname, on them.  I figured it was
> like “Jones or Smith” in the U.S.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:09 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
>
>
>
> I've seen it and know people who have it. It's not the most common Silva &
> Silveira. It's not rare either. So in the middle? Cheri
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 6:42 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, can anyone comment on how common a name Coelho is in the
> Azores.  My Coelho line comes from Santa Maria.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *Monday, June 24, 2019 1:57 PM
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>
> That's a tough one... I tried highlighting it, but i think the important
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>
>
>
>  escreveu no dia segunda, 24/06/2019 à(s) 18:03:
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> I can not read this record at all. I only know that it is the marriage
> record for Manuel Coelho and Maria Vieira. This comes from the Terceira
> Marriage index.
>
> It is the bottom record on the right side of the page. Any additional
> information would be appreciated. Thanks, Doreen Caetano
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

Last names derived from animals, places, nicknames or food are pretty
common all over Portugal, and Coelho is defintelly one of them. But as
Cheri said, not at the level of Silva, for example.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia terça, 25/06/2019 à(s) 23:03:

> Thanks Cheri.  When I was in Lisbon, many years ago. I notice a lot of
> store fronts with The name Coelho, my surname, on them.  I figured it was
> like “Jones or Smith” in the U.S.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:09 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
>
>
>
> I've seen it and know people who have it. It's not the most common Silva &
> Silveira. It's not rare either. So in the middle? Cheri
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 6:42 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, can anyone comment on how common a name Coelho is in the
> Azores.  My Coelho line comes from Santa Maria.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *Monday, June 24, 2019 1:57 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
>
>
>
> That's a tough one... I tried highlighting it, but i think the important
> info is faded at the bottom...
>
>
>
>  escreveu no dia segunda, 24/06/2019 à(s) 18:03:
>
> I can not read this record at all. I only know that it is the marriage
> record for Manuel Coelho and Maria Vieira. This comes from the Terceira
> Marriage index.
>
> It is the bottom record on the right side of the page. Any additional
> information would be appreciated. Thanks, Doreen Caetano
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P80.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto (Freitas & Moura)

[Ângela Loura]

#1 the marriage was dissolved due to the death of the husband.on april 14
or 16 1938.
#2 the wife died on january 22 1972.

Leonor Bertoni  escreveu no dia sexta, 21/06/2019
à(s) 23:22:

> The first note is about the husband’s death. The date is the date he died.
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 6:20 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P52.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Could someone please help me with the side note?  I can sort of make out
>> dates and I know that the 2nd note is about a death but; is it Serafina
>> or Manoel who died and what is the first note about please.  If you could
>> do a literal translation, I might be able to remember and not bother
>> everyone next time. 
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading record, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Bernardina Joaquina de Jesus. Her mother is Anna Bernardina.


'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia quinta, 13/06/2019 à(s) 01:43:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1835-1860/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1835-1860_item1/P10.html
>
> Record on the left side.
>
>
>
> Hello all;  Would really appreciate some help here.  Is it Albino Jose de
> Moura, widower of Margarida Ignacia who is marrying Bernadina de Jesus,
> daughter of Manoel Francisco d’Almedia?  Is there anything else important
> in this record.  Other relatives mentioned?  Anything?
>
>
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] do Rego Baldaia - Lagoa, São Miguel

[Ângela Loura]

He's my 12th.

There's a big tree on Geni, if you have an account go check it out.
Here's Gonçalo Vaz do Rego's profile:
https://www.geni.com/people/Gon%C3%A7alo-Vaz-do-Rego-o-Velho/66508958027

Leonor Bertoni  escreveu no dia segunda,
10/06/2019 à(s) 17:30:

> Hi Angela,
> I have Gonçalo Vaz do Rego and Maria Baldaia as my 11th greats.
>
> Leonor
>
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 12:22, Ângela Loura  wrote:
>
>> Hi Leonor,
>>
>> Some of us here have ancestors from the family Rego Baldaia. Who is your
>> ancestor?
>>
>> Leonor Bertoni  escreveu no dia segunda,
>> 10/06/2019 à(s) 17:03:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> My search has taken to the do Rego Baldaia family. I have yet to find a
>>> reliable source of information, is anybody able to point me in the right
>>> direction?
>>>
>>> As an aside, when I started all of this, I was hoping to find my
>>> father's family, instead I am finding the most interesting information for
>>> my Azorean side. Being so new at research I stumble, fall, start over, it's
>>> all good.
>>>
>>> I have sent my DNA to more labs than I care to admit and spent more
>>> money than my husband will ever know! Recently I sent my DNA to EthnoGene
>>> for a Genetic Heritage Assessment. This comes in the form of a book (you
>>> pay $29US). I wasn't expecting much and I know that this type of testing is
>>> till new and not very reliable, but it was just for fun. I received my book
>>> about a week before I made the connection with the do Rego Baldaias. Last
>>> night as I was doing some research, I was a bit surprised. The Baldaias,
>>> from what I have found, come from Asturias and Porto. My results below:
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2019-05-30 at 9.57.54 AM.png]
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] do Rego Baldaia - Lagoa, São Miguel

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Leonor,

Some of us here have ancestors from the family Rego Baldaia. Who is your
ancestor?

Leonor Bertoni  escreveu no dia segunda,
10/06/2019 à(s) 17:03:

> Hello all,
> My search has taken to the do Rego Baldaia family. I have yet to find a
> reliable source of information, is anybody able to point me in the right
> direction?
>
> As an aside, when I started all of this, I was hoping to find my father's
> family, instead I am finding the most interesting information for my
> Azorean side. Being so new at research I stumble, fall, start over, it's
> all good.
>
> I have sent my DNA to more labs than I care to admit and spent more money
> than my husband will ever know! Recently I sent my DNA to EthnoGene for a
> Genetic Heritage Assessment. This comes in the form of a book (you pay
> $29US). I wasn't expecting much and I know that this type of testing is
> till new and not very reliable, but it was just for fun. I received my book
> about a week before I made the connection with the do Rego Baldaias. Last
> night as I was doing some research, I was a bit surprised. The Baldaias,
> from what I have found, come from Asturias and Porto. My results below:
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2019-05-30 at 9.57.54 AM.png]
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Ângela Loura]

Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called José Jacinto 
Ferreira Pimentel? 
I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa Maria, and 
i think that after that he was in Arrifes. 

Any clue would be very helpfull. 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

[Ângela Loura]

Terri, also search for Maria's parents death records, to see if the number
of children is mentioned.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 26/05/2019 à(s)
00:48:

> The index was made by a human and humans can make mistakes. Look at all
> the kids and look for gaps between kids. Then search those gaps by hand.
>
> I'm suspicious that there was only ONE Maria!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:45 PM Terri Santos 
> wrote:
>
>> This is the only Maria born to Joao and Marianna that I found in the
>> index.
>> If she was baptized in Ponta Delgada, so then I'll look thereperhaps
>> this couple lived there too?
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:37 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Terri,
>>>
>>> Did you find every single kid for Joao Travassos and Josepha Marianna?
>>> You know every family needs AT LEAST 3 Marias! LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:10 PM Terri Santos 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here's the marriage record I found in SM-VFC for Francisco and Maria.
 Here it mentions Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada for her again.

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P242.html


 this is the death record for Maria

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899_item1/P64.html


 Seems to be the same person, but when I do the mathshe is 11 years
 old at marriage..
 

 On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM Margaret Vicente <
 margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Terri,
>
>
>
> The record states the different dates and places of baptism for the
> Joao and Maria, who were both Expostos; Joao on Mar 9th 1834 baptized
> same day in Candelaria.  Maria baptized in Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada 
> …
> days of of the month of January of 1844.
>
>
>
> The document is a legitimization record for these two exposto children
> on their father’s deatch bed as declared in the hour of his death
> recognizing them and marrying/receiving their Mother ……… marriage … book 8
> of this Parish pages 113….
>
>
>
> It also goes to say the mother also recognized them as her own
> children…
>
>
>
> Record signed and dated June 11 1845
>
>
>
> m
>
>
>
> *From: *Terri Santos 
> *Sent: *May 25, 2019 1:06 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de
> Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html
>
> On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
>
>  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.
> She married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.
>
> Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53
> years old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11
> years old at marriage.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel) S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Terri,

What makes you assume that this exposta is the Maria de Jesus you are
looking for?
My guess is, either you found diferent Marias, or her death records that
she was 53 years old, «pouco mais ou menos», meaning she could be older
than 53.

Please post the marriage and death record as Cheri asked, so we can take
better conclusions to help you.



Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sábado, 25/05/2019 à(s)
18:15:

> I think you should post her death and marriage records. Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 10:06 AM Terri Santos 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html
>>
>> On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
>>>
>>>  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.
>>> She married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.
>>> Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years
>>> old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years
>>> old at marriage.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accuracy of Geni.com

[Ângela Loura]

Doreen, once you start merging your info with other peoples trees you lose
control of your own information and people can edit it.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 12/05/2019 à(s)
19:37:

> It's user input. Same as Ancestry.com. You could put your parents as
> Popeye the Sailor and Olive Oil. People will copy it.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:41 AM  wrote:
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>> Happy Mother’s Day.
>>
>> I’m looking into the Royal and Noble lines of Portugal. I have been
>> looking at the Geni.com. I’m wondering about the accuracy of the
>> information. Does anyone in the group have an opinion on this subject? I
>> wanting to use it in my tree but maybe I should just copy and file it under
>> personal notes. What do you think?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Doreen Caetano
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Poor's Asylum, Matriz, Faial

[Ângela Loura]

It was what today is the Santa Casa da Misericórdia, like Cheri said. In
this case, here's the convent where it was:
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convento_de_S%C3%A3o_Francisco_(Horta)

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quinta, 2/05/2019 à(s)
21:14:

> Today, the are the Casa de Misericórdia.
> Do an Internet search for: "Asilo de Mendicidade" Horta
> If you are using Google, you can use the "Translate this page" link to
> help you read.
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 1:11 PM  wrote:
>
>> If I have it right, it says "Asilo de Mendicidade, da freguesia de
>> Matriz".
>>
>> On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 1:42:34 PM UTC-6, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Saudade064,
>>>
>>> I didn't know that the Azores had the poor asylums. I know about the
>>> American ones. What does it say for "poor asylum" on the document in the
>>> Portuguese language?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 12:23 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I was able to get a death certificate for my great-grandfather who came
 to California but went back to Faial, his island of birth sometime in the
 1930s. In the translation of the record, I discovered he died in a place
 called "Poor's Asylum" in 1948, which was located in Matriz, Faial. I
 cannot find anything online about this place. I'd like to know it's history
 and see what it looked like. I'm wondering if it was part of a church?
 Thanks in advance to anyone who can shed some light on this place!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accessing newer birth, marriage, death records (1912- forward) in Pico and Faial

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Deb,

You can go to the local office and ask for the copies. I think the fee for
each document is 20 euros.

'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no dia
sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 01:51:

> Cheri,
>
> I don't want to hire someone.  I am wondering if I can go to the
> appropriate office and request a copy of records for my great grandparents,
> for example, who died after 1911.
>
> Deb
>
>
> *When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!ri*
>
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2019, 5:34:23 PM PDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> A list of researchers for hire can be found here:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/researchers-available-for.html
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 5:29 PM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy <
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>
> (Also posted on Faial Genealogy - Genealogica Faial Facebook page)
>
> Does anyone know if a person can gain access to newer birth, marriage,
> and/or death records (from 1912-present) for relatives in the Azores who
> have passed? My family is primarily from Faial, then Pico. We will be
> visiting those islands and Sao Miguel. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help. Sao Pedro, Santa Maria (Figueiredo/Soares)

[Ângela Loura]

Maria da Purificação Andrade, filha de Manuel d'Andrade e de Jacinta
Filomena Cabral.
I confirmed the 'P' by looking at the "Vila do Porto" from this sidenote
and the one above.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sexta, 26/04/2019 à(s)
01:04:

> There's an "f" in the middle of Maria da Scribble Scrabble. I'm 100% sure
> of the "f." I can't think of a female name that's Emif-something.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 4:53 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Could it be Maria Emilia d’Andrade?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 7:49 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm struggling too.
>>> I think it says this referenced individual, also know as Jose Figueiredo
>>> married Maria da Scribble Scrabble, daughter of Manuel d'Andrade (?) and
>>> Jacinta Francisca (don't think it really says Francisca) Cabral on the 6 of
>>> November (?) 1000 900 20 4 (1924).
>>>
>>> I want to say Maria da Scribble Scrabble is Maria da Purficação Andrade.
>>> I'm having a hard time making that a P and I may be perfectly wrong.
>>>
>>> OK, let someone else have at it.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 3:36 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P4.html



 First record, Jose.  I can read the note about when he died but; don’t
 understand what the middle note is saying.  Can’t decipher the words.



 Thanks, All



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help (Sao Pedro, Santa Maria) Joao s of Ricardo Joaquim y Maria Umbelina

[Ângela Loura]

Died on October 26 1951

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia segunda, 1/04/2019 à(s) 22:29:

> Can someone please help me with the side note on this one.  Try as I
> might, I can’t make it out.  Thanks in advance, Left hand page
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P128.html
>
>
>
> I can read the body.  Just need help with the side note.  Thanks again,
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade - Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Leonor,

Nossa Senhora das Candeias is another name given to the church of Nossa
Senhora da Purificação , in Santo Espírito.
That's where you need to research.

 escreveu no dia quinta, 28/03/2019 à(s) 23:47:

> Thanks Bill!
>
> Leonor
>
> On Thursday, 28 March 2019 19:46:04 UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I'm not familiar with a parish call Candeias, but I found this web site
>> that says it is another name for NS da Purificação in Santo Espirito so I
>> would try there.
>>
>> https://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20120116/News/301169671
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 4:34:19 PM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:
>>>
>>> Leonor, I thought we would eventually find we are related based on some
>>> of the names you are researching.  I’m not in Rosario….. yet but; do have a
>>> few Andrade people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *leonor...@gmail.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 28, 2019 4:26 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade - Santa Maria
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like my research has let me to Santa Maria! What fun.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This record is from my 3rd great grandmother & my 3rd great aunt
>>> (twins). I cannot read the parish they are from. This record is great for
>>> the era but I am not familiar with Santa Maria island so any help will be
>>> appreciated!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1797-1815/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1797-1815_item1/P67.html
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with godfather's name

[Ângela Loura]

It's written Lixandre. Maybe another way of writing Lizandro?

A quinta, 28 de mar de 2019, 03:26, Leonor Bertoni 
escreveu:

> I would say Alexandre but the first letter looks exactly like the first
> letter of Lianor.
>
> Leonor
>
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 23:21, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
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>> I think it is Sebastião Alexandre
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 11:17 PM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have never seen the name Lixandre before this record, but now I think
>> I've seen it twice.
>>
>> It looks to me like Sebastião Lixandre, filho familias de Sebastião
>> Lixandre and Maria Lianor.
>>
>> I am nowhere near certainty--this record is tough.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 8:06:19 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>>
>>> I like Squiggles but could it be Sebastião Lixandre filho de Francisco
>>> Lopes?
>>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 23:02, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 Sebastiao Squiggles. Yep, looks like the guy had another sip of vinho
 with each line! (This is the reason I tell my math students not to squish
 their work...they will mess it up)!

 If I had to take a guess, Sebastiao Alexandre something something Lopes
  I can see Lianor Clara. I'm really don't think Sebastiao's 2nd name is
 Alexandre, but I can see the "xandre" or "xondre" which makes me think
 Alexandre, but I don't think it's right.

 More people need to take a look.
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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> I need help with Sebastião's godfather. I can see that his first name
> was also Sebastião but the rest is just a bunch of squiggles.This is 
> my
> 2nd great grandfather and I would like to have his godfather's complete
> name if possible.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help. Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Also, on the top is a refference to a sidenote #4:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P99.html


Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quinta, 28/03/2019 à(s)
01:22:

> Margin note 1,starts on lower left, goes up to the upper right, then back
> down to the lower left and then up and over the upper right!!! Gads!
>
> It says that the referenced individual, Manuel Soares Coelho, had a
> Catholic marriage on the 24 July 1000 800 90 5 with Maria Umbelina de
> Jesus, native of the same, daughter of Manuel da Fonte and Jacinta Umbelina
> and then it references where to find the marriage and is signed by the
> person on 7 Oct 1997. Note 2 says the marriage was dissolved by the death
> of the conjugate, Maria Umbelina de Jesus, on the 30 and 1 of March 1000
> 900 and 5 of the same parish and then I *think* it says where to find it
> (this is getting squishy), and I see the date of 7 Oct 1997 (date they made
> the note). Then #3 says there was a Catholic marriage on 17 May 1000 900
> and 6 with Bernardina Umbelina de Fontes, native of the same, daughter of
> Manuel Joaquim de Fontes and Jacinta Umbelina, and where the record can be
> found.
>
> None of this explains them making the note in 1997 though. Maybe there was
> property and this is when it got settled
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 5:37 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P86.html
>>
>>
>>
>> I can read and understand it all with the exception of what happened on
>> October 7, 1997?  It’s on both the left and again on the right side of the
>> body of the document.  Manoel, starts on bottom left and goes on to top
>> right.  Side notes on the right hand page.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age of Padrinho

[Ângela Loura]

Yes, that's possible.

 escreveu no dia domingo, 24/03/2019 à(s) 19:45:

> Is there a minimum age for a Padrinho.
>
> The record shows the padrinho is the son of the baptized baby's father
> (the baby's half-brother).
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860_item1/P83.html
>
> I just found this boy's baptism and he would have just turned 13 years old
> (born March 1841) when becoming padrinho to his half-sister.
>
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Francisco, I'm glad you're here sharing yuur experience with us!
I really think that there will be a day when English spokesmen will be able
to buy these books in an English version, people just need to know they
exist and the added value they bring to our portuguese Genealogy
researches.

A sexta, 22 de mar de 2019, 19:51, Genealogia sem segredos <
genealogiasemsegre...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Dear Angela;
>
> Thank you very much for your kind words.
>
> The subject of Names is much more complex than what is said in the
> abovementioned book. We made it a little bit too simple. We had to, because
> that was just a small part of the book.
>
> That is why me and Cristina we are writing down a second book, only on
> Names, Surnames, Nicknames, and so on. This second book is harder. We are
> working on it for more than 2 years…
>
> Unfortunately, I doubt that this new work, like the first one, will ever
> be published in other language aside from Portuguese. But we have to keep
> on trying.
>
> Francisco
>
>
>
> Francisco Queiroz
> ("Genealogia sem segredos" researcher)
>
>
>
>
> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia sexta, 22/03/2019
> à(s) 01:03:
>
>> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
>> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
>> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
>> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
>> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
>> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
>> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
>> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
>> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
>> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
>> mesmo indivíduo.»
>> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
>> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
>> página 207.
>>
>> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true
>> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.
>>
>> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
>> à(s) 14:36:
>>
>>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
>>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
>>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
>>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
>>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
>>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
>>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
>>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
>>> still haven't figured out.
>>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to
>>> see if the authors refer anything about this.
>>>
>>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
>>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
>>>> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
>>>> thereof and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in
>>>> other cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from
>>>> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why?
>>>> Who know's?
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>>>> Nancy Jean
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>>>> Leonor Bertoni 
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>>
>>>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
>>>> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
>>>> João do Rego Nicolau.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me
&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Official Alfaiate (Official Tailor)?

[Ângela Loura]

I think oficial-alfaiate was the one who sow the pieces together, There was
also the meste-alfaiate, amd others.

Leonor Bertoni  escreveu no dia sexta, 22/03/2019
à(s) 18:02:

> I can't speak on your record but my mother was a seamstress and at 17 she
> was the seamstress the soldiers took their pants to me hemmed and pressed.
> I'm not sure she had the official title but that is what she was known for
> and it was her job. This was in the mid 1930's though. This is also how she
> met me dad :)
>
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 13:53, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> When the father is stated in a birth record as the Official Alfaiate,
>> what does it really mean.  I know the translation but; who is he the
>> Official Tailor to?  The village, a specific person or what?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Ângela Loura]

Some small changes:

“A second name of devotion may be regarded as a last name if it came from
previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in
subsequent generations. However, these second main/first names of devotion
often were not last names and, especially in the case of women, were even
the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical
Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana do Rosário, would appear in her
marriage like Maria do Sacramento and without any last name; in her death
as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was already
deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documental gaps, these
changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. "
- QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER YOUR ORIGINS -
Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Esfera dos Livros , page 207.


A sexta, 22 de mar de 2019, 03:18, JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Angela, I had to get that translated.  :)
>
> “A second name of devotion may be regarded as a nickname if it came from
> previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in
> subsequent generations. However, these second proper names of devotion
> often were not nicknames and, especially in the case of women, were even
> the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical
> Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana of the Rosary, to be able to appear
> in its marriage like Maria of the Sacrament and without any nickname; in
> his death as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was
> already deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documentary gaps,
> these changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. "
> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER THEIR ORIGINS -
> Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Sphere of Books, page 207.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:03 PM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
>> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
>> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
>> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
>> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
>> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
>> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
>> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
>> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
>> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
>> mesmo indivíduo.»
>> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
>> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
>> página 207.
>>
>> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true
>> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.
>>
>> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
>> à(s) 14:36:
>>
>>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
>>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
>>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
>>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
>>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
>>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
>>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
>>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
>>> still haven't figured out.
>>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to
>>> see if the authors refer anything about this.
>>>
>>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
>>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
>>>> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
>>>> thereof and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in
>>>> other cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from
>>>> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why?
>>>> Who know's?
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>>>> Nancy Jean
&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Maria do Espirito Sancto

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia sexta, 22/03/2019 à(s) 01:49:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html
>
>
>
> Bottom right.  This is what I see on the side note:  Maria da ??  married
> Manoel de Moura.  He’s from Nossa Senhora d’Assumpcao, Sao Pedro.
>
> They married on 27 March 1911.  Maria died on 16 February  1960.
>
>
>
> If someone with better knowledge and eye sight could take a look, it would
> be much appreciated.
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Ângela Loura]

« Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
mesmo indivíduo.»
- QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
página 207.

This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true life
saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.

Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
à(s) 14:36:

> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
> still haven't figured out.
> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to see
> if the authors refer anything about this.
>
> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao Jorge
>> index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation thereof
>> and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in other
>> cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from Candelaria
>> took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why? Who know's?
>>
>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>> Nancy Jean
>> --
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>> Leonor Bertoni 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>
>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
>> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
>> João do Rego Nicolau.
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.
>> Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>
>>
>>
>> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. The
>> bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot recall if
>> I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would
>> marry and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk
>> about making our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk
>> about a “kiss up”! LOL!
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m trying
>> to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count on
>> tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it just
>> through births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish my
>> tree!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
>> *To: *azores

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Jacinta maternal grandmother's name

[Ângela Loura]

Felicia Pavoa (from the last name Pavão).

Sometimes they changed the gender of the last names when a woman used it
(ex: Catharina Velha (=Velho); Maria Baiôa (=Baião); Anna Gamboa (=Gambão);
Ignês Garçôa (=Garção), etc). In somes cases, the female version of the
last name was the one passed on to the following generations.

 escreveu no dia sexta, 22/03/2019 à(s) 00:03:

> Thank you!
>
>
> On Thursday, 21 March 2019 20:01:44 UTC-4, JR wrote:
>>
>> Felicia Pavoa, modern Pavao with accent over ao.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 7:55:45 PM UTC-4, leonor@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all! Thanks to Cheri, I think I am back on the right track. Can
>>> someone else me with the maternal grandmother's last name, I see Felicia
>>> ().
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1789-1797/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1789-1797_item1/P324.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Ângela Loura]

I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
(option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
still haven't figured out.
I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to see
if the authors refer anything about this.

A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:

> Hi all,
>
> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao Jorge
> index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation thereof
> and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in other
> cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from Candelaria
> took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why? Who know's?
>
> Enjoy the puzzle!
> Nancy Jean
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Leonor Bertoni 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
> João do Rego Nicolau.
>
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.
> Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. The
> bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot recall if
> I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would marry
> and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk about
> making our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk about
> a “kiss up”! LOL!
>
>
>
> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m trying
> to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count on
> tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it just
> through births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish my
> tree!
>
>
>
> Thanks guys,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> *Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took
> her mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better. *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM
> *To:* genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> Hello all;  Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of the
> bride and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same?  i.e. Bernardina
> Jacintha, Anna Filomena, etc.  Record after record, though not all of them
> of course, have the bride and her mother with exactly the same name and
> sometimes all three women in the record have the same name.  It just makes
> me worry that the priest has been “tippling” the vino…I know certain
> names were very common but; it seems to be more than that….
>
>
>
> Just wondering…
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] das dores

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

That's another female religious name, because there's a Nossa Senhora das
Dores.

You can check a list of these names on wikipedia:
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%ADtulos_de_Maria

A terça, 19 de mar de 2019, 23:36, Leonor Bertoni 
escreveu:

> Maria das Dores was a very common name..but, that was my mother’s
> nickname as she was always complaining of pain somewhere! Thanks for the
> memories.
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 7:34 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Here’s a new one.  The baby’s name is Maria das dores, Maria of pain?
>> Really!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889_item1/P108.html
>> (bottom right)
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto, Santa Maria, Sidenote help please

[Ângela Loura]

Looks alike Angelina da Assunção Reis.
Second side note says "foi passada a cédula pessoal"

A segunda, 18 de mar de 2019, 22:00, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
 escreveu:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889_item1/P89.html
>
>
>
> Left side.  I can read Joao Soares Coelho marrying Angelina das something
> something?  Filla de Manoel dos Reis y Maria Inez Sousa (is that correct?)
>
> Parochial de Nossa Senhora ??.  Is the date the 1st of November 1921?
>
>
>
> Absolutely no clue what the second note is.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any and all help,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Resgate (Is that really what it says)

[Ângela Loura]

Sam,

The only place besides Lisbon that I've seen a place referenced as Nossa
Senhora do Resgate is in Lagoa, in this CCA link:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ea/pesquisa/Default.aspx?id=7941

A segunda, 11 de mar de 2019, 16:21, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
 escreveu:

> Thanks Angela
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 10, 2019 8:33 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Resgate (Is that really what it
> says)
>
>
>
> Yes, that's right, Maria do Resgate.
>
>
>
> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
> no dia domingo, 10/03/2019 à(s) 22:53:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P103.html
>
>
>
> Maria, bottom right.  Is that Maria Resgate  (Maria Rescue).  I did look
> on the next page in the body and that is what I see.  Parents and
> grandparents names don’t give a clue where the Resgate comes from.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help please. Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Maria


'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia segunda, 11/03/2019 à(s) 01:59:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P117.html
>
>
>
> Antonio, left hand page.  I see that he married, I think on 26 June 1918
> but; I can’t make out her first name.  I see Virginia de Freitas but; can’t
> figure out what the name before Virginia is?
>
>
>
> I think it says that his wife died 27 June 1970.  Is that correct and it
> was his wife not him, correct?
>
>
>
> Lastly, he died the 19th of July 1981?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Resgate (Is that really what it says)

[Ângela Loura]

Yes, that's right, Maria do Resgate.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia domingo, 10/03/2019 à(s) 22:53:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P103.html
>
>
>
> Maria, bottom right.  Is that Maria Resgate  (Maria Rescue).  I did look
> on the next page in the body and that is what I see.  Parents and
> grandparents names don’t give a clue where the Resgate comes from.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your help,
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avo incognito, Avo occulto; difference?

[Ângela Loura]

"incógnito" as in "unknown", "oculto" as in "unknown" or "hidden" depending
on the case.

A sábado, 9 de mar de 2019, 17:23, Cheri Mello 
escreveu:

> Sam,
>
> Those that grew up in the Azores or are more familiar with the history
> would have to chime in on how a child of an "adulterer" would be viewed
> over there.
>
> Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 8:56 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Interesting how they recorded this stuff.  Cheri, or anyone, do you know
>> if there was a stigma attached to the child or to the parents for that
>> matter?  I found it somewhat surprising that in the record I found it
>> stated that the husband had been “away for over 300 days”   Certainly
>> leaves no doubt that the baby wasn’t his.  So many scenarios in my mind for
>> when/if the husband returns.  What happens to the baby?  Mom keeps it, it
>> goes in the roda, dad keeps it.  I did find one record where the mom wasn’t
>> listed, only the dad.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *Friday, March 8, 2019 12:15 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avo incognito, Avo occulto; difference?
>>
>>
>>
>> The "adulterer" term isn't used as in today's definition. Basically, one
>> (or both) parties were married. I have one record in my family where
>> Francisco was single, Maria was married to So-and-So. Francisco and Maria
>> had a baby. Francisco was listed as the adulterer. By today's definition,
>> Maria was the adultress and Francisco having relations with a married woman
>> isn't a nice thing, but I can't think of a "proper" word for that in the
>> English language. I know lots of name-calling terms for that, but I don't
>> think there's a proper word for a single man who has a relationship with a
>> married woman.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 11:09 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
>> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> While they both translate to hidden, as in refuse to name; oculto
>> definition includes not known.   Could that be the difference?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:31 AM Leonor Bertoni 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> I have wondered about all these terms as well. I have found that when the
>> priest says "adulterina" he usually also mentions a father. Someone once
>> told me that it meant that the baby was conceived before marriage or the
>> couple were not married at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 12:12, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Happy Friday morning everyone;
>>
>>
>>
>> As I’ve been extracting baptisms/births, I have noticed that the same
>> priest during the same time period will sometimes use Avo incognito and
>> other times use Avo occult and on occasion simply state that it is
>> “natural  de” and the mother’s name with no mention at all of the father.
>> On only one occasion, so far, has it been stated that the mother is
>> “adulterina” (may not have spelled that correctly)
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know why it is recorded in these various ways.  I understand
>> that if you are single you are not an “adulterine” but; other than that,
>> what are the differences?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for educating me,.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What part of this name is surname?

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

Margaret got the name and reference in the RR book. Looking at the link you
posted definitely is "Lemos do Canto Côrte-Real".

A sexta, 8 de mar de 2019, 01:08, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> escreveu:

> Margaret;  One person with all those surnames.  First name Luis and then
> de Figueiredo Lenardo Couto. or Canto. Corte Real is how I read it but; now
> looking at it again, I think it is:  Lemos de Corte Real!
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P65.html
>
>
>
> What a great group this is!  
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>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Margaret Vicente 
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 7, 2019 5:32 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] What part of this name is surname?
>
>
>
> Sam,  is your question related to various surnames or one person with all
> those surnames?
>
>
>
> They are all real surnames, where you show Conto is probably be “Canto”.
>
>
>
> Luis de Figueiredo e Lemos do Canto Corte Real, figures in RR Genealogies
> [Cap.º 216.º § 1.º, N.º 11]
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *March 7, 2019 7:13 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What part of this name is surname?
>
>
>
> Conto might be Couto. The last one usually comes together as Côrte-Real.
>
> A quinta, 7 de mar de 2019, 23:47, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> escreveu:
>
> Luis de Figueiredo Lenardo Conto Corte Real
>
>
>
> I came across the above name in the births of Santa Maria, Vila do Porto,
> Sao Pedro.  Figueiredo is in my line but; the rest of these; are they
> really surnames?
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
>
>
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> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What part of this name is surname?

[Ângela Loura]

Conto might be Couto. The last one usually comes together as Côrte-Real.

A quinta, 7 de mar de 2019, 23:47, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> escreveu:

> Luis de Figueiredo Lenardo Conto Corte Real
>
>
>
> I came across the above name in the births of Santa Maria, Vila do Porto,
> Sao Pedro.  Figueiredo is in my line but; the rest of these; are they
> really surnames?
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
>
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>
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