Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Advice

[Mary Bordi]

Brian—

If she did not marry then the baptismal records may be there but hard to
find—if she used different “versions” of her name on the records.

If you are just going by the confession rolls, I don’t know how complete
they are or if everyone went to confession. ;)

She could be there. Don’t assume that because you haven’t found her by the
name you know, she wasn’t there. Don’t give up!

Mary

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage 
wrote:

> Its further complicated by the fact that she was never married and had 5
> children out of wedlock - so the records are very very hard to find
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> On Tuesday, 11 June 2019 12:54:45 UTC-5, Mary Bordi wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage 
>> wrote:
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>> > I don't have any information on them other than their names.  What does
>> that say? It's their names and the town but I'm having a hard time reading
>> it.  (if you dont mind)
>>
>> A quick recap of some of the info since the names are not exact—
>>
>> On 4 May 1903 Manuel Jorge married Josefa Victorina in the church of Sao
>> Mateus in Urzelina. They were both baptized and lived in the parish, in
>>  Ribeira de Nabo, part of Urzelina.
>>
>> His father was pai incognito (unknown). His mother was Josefa Dias.
>>
>> Her father was Manuel Victorino and her mother was Ana Joaquina.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> PS I used the Sao Jorge Marriage index to find this
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>>> I don't have any information on them other than their names.  What does
>>> that say? It's their names and the town but I'm having a hard time reading
>>> it.  (if you dont mind)
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>>> On Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:54:38 UTC-5, Mary Bordi wrote:
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>>>> Could these be her parents? Or do you already have their marriage?
>>>> (Lefthand page)
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-
>>>> URZELINA-C-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1900-1911_item1/P18.html
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>>>> Mary
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>>>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage 
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> Hey all.  I've been pouring over Sao Jorge confession rolls, and I
>>>>> have a decent amount of information about my great grandmother.  However,
>>>>> it appears she was born either on another island, or town (In case I
>>>>> overlooked it).  She did not appear on documents in Sao Jorge(Urzelina)
>>>>> until 1927, when she had a son.  Whats the best and most efficient way to
>>>>> begin tracking down what island she was born?
>>>>>
>>>>> Information: (some of this may be wrong)
>>>>>
>>>>> Maria De Lordes Dias
>>>>> Born June 5? 1906, location unknown.  Death unknown (Urzelina)
>>>>> Parents: Josefina & Manuel Jorge Dias, birth and death dates unknown.
>>>>> Unable to find in Urzelina confession rolls.
>>>>> Children:  Helena, Laurentino, Fernando Jorge, Raul (alive), Ilda
>>>>> Lucilla (alive)
>>>>> Siblings (the weakest information): Manuel, Jose, Americo, Artesia
>>>>> Moved to Urzelina in 1926/1927
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the biggest fish in my pond, so ANY information would be
>>>>> amazing.  I appreciate any response.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Brian
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Advice

[Mary Bordi]

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage 
wrote:


> I don't have any information on them other than their names.  What does
that say? It's their names and the town but I'm having a hard time reading
it.  (if you dont mind)

A quick recap of some of the info since the names are not exact—

On 4 May 1903 Manuel Jorge married Josefa Victorina in the church of Sao
Mateus in Urzelina. They were both baptized and lived in the parish, in
 Ribeira de Nabo, part of Urzelina.

His father was pai incognito (unknown). His mother was Josefa Dias.

Her father was Manuel Victorino and her mother was Ana Joaquina.

Hope that helps.

Mary

PS I used the Sao Jorge Marriage index to find this


















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> I don't have any information on them other than their names.  What does
> that say? It's their names and the town but I'm having a hard time reading
> it.  (if you dont mind)
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> On Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:54:38 UTC-5, Mary Bordi wrote:
>>
>> Could these be her parents? Or do you already have their marriage?
>> (Lefthand page)
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-
>> URZELINA-C-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1900-1911_item1/P18.html
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>> Mary
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>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all.  I've been pouring over Sao Jorge confession rolls, and I have
>>> a decent amount of information about my great grandmother.  However, it
>>> appears she was born either on another island, or town (In case I
>>> overlooked it).  She did not appear on documents in Sao Jorge(Urzelina)
>>> until 1927, when she had a son.  Whats the best and most efficient way to
>>> begin tracking down what island she was born?
>>>
>>> Information: (some of this may be wrong)
>>>
>>> Maria De Lordes Dias
>>> Born June 5? 1906, location unknown.  Death unknown (Urzelina)
>>> Parents: Josefina & Manuel Jorge Dias, birth and death dates unknown.
>>> Unable to find in Urzelina confession rolls.
>>> Children:  Helena, Laurentino, Fernando Jorge, Raul (alive), Ilda
>>> Lucilla (alive)
>>> Siblings (the weakest information): Manuel, Jose, Americo, Artesia
>>> Moved to Urzelina in 1926/1927
>>>
>>> This is the biggest fish in my pond, so ANY information would be
>>> amazing.  I appreciate any response.
>>>
>>> - Brian
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Advice

[Mary Bordi]

Could these be her parents? Or do you already have their marriage?
(Lefthand page)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1900-1911_item1/P18.html

Mary

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage 
wrote:

> Hey all.  I've been pouring over Sao Jorge confession rolls, and I have a
> decent amount of information about my great grandmother.  However, it
> appears she was born either on another island, or town (In case I
> overlooked it).  She did not appear on documents in Sao Jorge(Urzelina)
> until 1927, when she had a son.  Whats the best and most efficient way to
> begin tracking down what island she was born?
>
> Information: (some of this may be wrong)
>
> Maria De Lordes Dias
> Born June 5? 1906, location unknown.  Death unknown (Urzelina)
> Parents: Josefina & Manuel Jorge Dias, birth and death dates unknown.
> Unable to find in Urzelina confession rolls.
> Children:  Helena, Laurentino, Fernando Jorge, Raul (alive), Ilda Lucilla
> (alive)
> Siblings (the weakest information): Manuel, Jose, Americo, Artesia
> Moved to Urzelina in 1926/1927
>
> This is the biggest fish in my pond, so ANY information would be amazing.
> I appreciate any response.
>
> - Brian
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Mary Bordi]

Perhaps it’s a mistake in some cases but I can tell you I have seen it in
my tree.

Maria de Jesus will marry a man whose mother is Maria de Jesus and they
will have a daughter Maria who later becomes Maria de Jesus. Besides which
each Maria de Jesus probably has a sister and a child and an aunt who is
Ana de Jesus. And they probably all married men named Manuel or Jose.

I have seen certain first names popular in a village during certain eras,
too.

Of course it’s best to confirm that it wasn’t a mistake! It’s friustrationg
but also comforting that even the priests had trouble keeping things
straight...

Mary


On Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello all;  Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of the
> bride and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same?  i.e. Bernardina
> Jacintha, Anna Filomena, etc.  Record after record, though not all of them
> of course, have the bride and her mother with exactly the same name and
> sometimes all three women in the record have the same name.  It just makes
> me worry that the priest has been “tippling” the vino…I know certain
> names were very common but; it seems to be more than that….
>
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> Just wondering…
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Students of the Seminary of Angra, 1862-2013

[Mary Bordi]

I haven’t looked it this yet but it sounds like a great resource!

Mary

On Friday, March 15, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I somehow tripped across this in an Internet search.
>
> The title says it's a list of students from the Seminary in Angra, from
> 1862-2013. They are all boys, some as young as 10. Not everyone becomes a
> priest. It lists the name of the student, where they are from, their
> parents, and age. There's an admission date, so just subtract for an
> approximate birth. It is an Excel document. Do a Ctrl+F (or Cmd+F for Mac)
> and search by FREGUESIA.
>
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web;
> cd=11=2ahUKEwi-svDfpoXhAhVQip4KHQqAC9QQFjAKegQIBhAC=https%3A%2F%
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> 2520de%2520Angra%2520de%25201862%2520-%25202013.xls=
> AOvVaw272mMggzifpSsVMJ91XT-F
>
> Good luck and happy hunting!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Resgate (Is that really what it says)

[Mary Bordi]

Religious name? Or perhaps it was a difficult birth?

Nossa Senhora do Resgate seems to be a popular church name in Brazil.

Mary

On Sunday, March 10, 2019, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P103.html
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>
> Maria, bottom right.  Is that Maria Resgate  (Maria Rescue).  I did look
> on the next page in the body and that is what I see.  Parents and
> grandparents names don’t give a clue where the Resgate comes from.
>
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> Thanks in advance for your help,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Father's place of Birth

[Mary Bordi]

I agree about the Ancestry ThruLines, especially with the Portuguese. All
of the “potential ancestors”that I looked at were wrong  WRONG  WRONG!  Too
many similar names. I’m sorry, but I don’t care if her name is the same as
my 5th GGrandmother and we share DNA. Being born in 1926 makes it
impossible!

But later when I went back and looked at some that were not labeled
“potential ancestor” I found several undiscovered matches—if their trees
are accurate.

It might be valuable to a careful researcher but what a mess the careless
ones will make!

Mary



On Wednesday, March 6, 2019, JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And Now Ancestry has all of the new possible ancestors on ThruLines.   I
> can tell just by glancing at what they’ve gotten wrong by my data that the
> entire list is going to muddy up the waters.  My husband’s Portuguese side
> was already so hard to decipher and now comes this new”help.”
>
> For my ancestry they are much closer to accurate.   Be careful and verify!
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:51 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
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>> No kidding. I've also learned never to trust "hints" on Ancestry!
>>
>> Yes, I have now been informed on the Sandwich Islands. Thank you!
>>
>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:21, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Leonor, it does say Isla de Sandwich which is what the Hawaiian Islands
>>> were known as because they were 'discovered' by the Earl of Sandwich.  The
>>> Azores Islands were known as the 'Western Islands' in the USA for a long
>>> time. When I was first starting to do my research I thought it meant
>>> Hawaii,that's West of California, right?! Never assume, that should be
>>> everones motto.
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 10:57 AM  wrote:
>>>
 I just searched it and it's a name that was given to Hawaii..I had
 never heard or seen this before.

 On Wednesday, 6 March 2019 13:55:10 UTC-5, leonor@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Can someone please tell me if this says "natural das Ilhas de
> Sandwich"? If so, does anybody know where that is? If not, can someone
> please correct me!
>
> Thanks.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> LG-ROSARIO-B-1906-1911/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1906-1911_item1/P168.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?

[Mary Bordi]

Sam, I’m helping index Sao Jorge but working on one of “my” villages. So
I’m sort of doing both.

Unfortunately I am going very slowly on this one. Must get to work. :)

Mary



On Saturday, March 2, 2019, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Yes, that does seem odd.  Which island are you doing and are you
> extracting the records or only looking for your line?  Just curious what
> others are doing.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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> *From: *Mary Bordi 
> *Sent: *Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:45 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?
>
>
>
> I’m looking at deaths for another island. And indeed there are times when
> there are one or more deaths every day for weeks, with families losing
> several members.  So sad.
>
>
>
> And then there are months with only a few deaths.
>
>
>
> But I found one stretch of two months with no deaths at all and no
> notation that the records had been lost...and THAT made me wonder! (This
> was in the 1850s.)
>
>
>
> Mary
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2019, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Linda;  Interesting thought, about epidemics being so much a part of
> everyday life.  Also, as Cheri said, could have been as simple as one child
> getting a communicable disease and passing it on the other child.  Since I
> first posted my question, I have come upon another two records showing twin
> infants who died within days of each other.  I’m extracting obits and it is
> so sad to see so many infants and toddlers dying in a month long period.
> So far, it’s been almos 50/50 between adults and infants/toddlers.  I now
> understand better why you always hear of the short life expectancy in
> bygone times.  Many people lived into their 70’s & 80’s but; so many died
> as infants/toddlers that the average was brought way down.  I feel so bad
> for all those families.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *linda 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 8:28 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?
>
>
>
> There are no major natural disasters listed here:
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disasters_in_the_Azores
>
>
>
> So, I'm with Cheri and am putting my money on an epidemic:
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseases_and_epidemics_of_the_19th_century
>
>
>
> A long while back, I read a 19th century travelogue that described the
> writer's ship's passengers as not being allowed to disembark at one of the
> Islands either 1) until the ship was cleared as being free of epidemic
> disease, or 2) not being allowed to disembark at all because the ship had
> come from a port where an epidemic had been occurring.  Sorry my
> recollection is vague and I don't recall the source. My point is, I
> suppose, that epidemics were so much a part of life that there was a
> bureaucracy in place to deal with them.
>
>
> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 4:51:36 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> I’m doing obits right now and I have two siblings, one 11 months and the
> other 15 days old that died 9 days apart in July of 1900. (July 20 and 29
> th)  So sad.  Out of curiosity, does anyone know of some disaster that
> occurred around that time on Santa Maria island?  Sickness, earthquake, ??
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?

[Mary Bordi]

I’m looking at deaths for another island. And indeed there are times when
there are one or more deaths every day for weeks, with families losing
several members.  So sad.

And then there are months with only a few deaths.

But I found one stretch of two months with no deaths at all and no notation
that the records had been lost...and THAT made me wonder! (This was in the
1850s.)

Mary

On Saturday, March 2, 2019, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Linda;  Interesting thought, about epidemics being so much a part of
> everyday life.  Also, as Cheri said, could have been as simple as one child
> getting a communicable disease and passing it on the other child.  Since I
> first posted my question, I have come upon another two records showing twin
> infants who died within days of each other.  I’m extracting obits and it is
> so sad to see so many infants and toddlers dying in a month long period.
> So far, it’s been almos 50/50 between adults and infants/toddlers.  I now
> understand better why you always hear of the short life expectancy in
> bygone times.  Many people lived into their 70’s & 80’s but; so many died
> as infants/toddlers that the average was brought way down.  I feel so bad
> for all those families.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *linda 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 8:28 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?
>
>
>
> There are no major natural disasters listed here:
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disasters_in_the_Azores
>
>
>
> So, I'm with Cheri and am putting my money on an epidemic:
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseases_and_epidemics_of_the_19th_century
>
>
>
> A long while back, I read a 19th century travelogue that described the
> writer's ship's passengers as not being allowed to disembark at one of the
> Islands either 1) until the ship was cleared as being free of epidemic
> disease, or 2) not being allowed to disembark at all because the ship had
> come from a port where an epidemic had been occurring.  Sorry my
> recollection is vague and I don't recall the source. My point is, I
> suppose, that epidemics were so much a part of life that there was a
> bureaucracy in place to deal with them.
>
>
> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 4:51:36 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> I’m doing obits right now and I have two siblings, one 11 months and the
> other 15 days old that died 9 days apart in July of 1900. (July 20 and 29
> th)  So sad.  Out of curiosity, does anyone know of some disaster that
> occurred around that time on Santa Maria island?  Sickness, earthquake, ??
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A question about following the correct lineage

[Mary Bordi]

I’m having the same problem with the Joao Bernardo da Silvas in Norte
Grande, Sao Jorge. Several of the Joaos married Marias and had their own
Joao Bernardos. In trying to connect with Ancestry DNA matches with these
names in their trees I have come to the conclusion that there was more than
one Joao Bernardo da Silva family. And they were probably related.

I neglected to put the direct links to the archive documents in my tree so
now I need to go back and look up all the documents by date.

And on the godparent subject...one couple in my Rosais Sequeira family used
the same couple for godparents for all their children. And to me that
brings up the question of why...might there have been a family
relationship? More research needed!

I need more time!

Mary

On Sunday, February 24, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Sam,
>
> Yes, you kinda have to go with an educated guess. Then try to prove it
> with DNA.
>
> I come from a Miguel Correia in the Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. Son
> of Manuel Correia married to a Maria de Souza in the very early 1700s. I
> found Miguel's baptism and then I went about finding his siblings. It takes
> 9 months to make a baby. Miguel was born May 8 of 1709. OK, go back to July
> of 1708. So I started scrolling the mircofilm (this was B.C. - Before
> Computers). So I landed in July and scrolled back in time until I found
> another baby. Let's say the baby was born in December 1707 to make this
> example easy to follow. OK December (12) minus 9 months = March. Scroll,
> scroll, scoll. This is a Matriz and it's large. Stop and see if I'm in
> March. Nope, I'm in July and low and behold, Manuel Correia and Maria de
> Sousa are having a baby. There's no way a couple can have a baby in July
> and then present a baby in December for baptism. So I went back looking at
> every single record for ALL babies born to ANY Manuel Correia and Maria de
> Sousa. I took took them all home (the printed copies - this was B.C
> remember). The couple of times that the babies were born too close
> together, I knew it belonged to the other family. Then I looked at the
> godparents. One set of godparents seemed to appear over and over again. So
> I sorted the families based on godparents. Then I checked the births and it
> fits. So one Manuel Correia family has one set of godparents for their kids
> and the other Manuel Correia family has the mishmash godparents. Am I
> right? I have no idea. It's kinda of an educated guess. Because it's the
> very early 1700s, it's a little too far back for autosomal (Family Finder
> DNA). My dad's DNA should go back to about the 1730s and this line is about
> 25 years before that. So I'd have to find a male Correia and Y-DNA test
> them and then find a male Correia from the other Manuel and Y-DNA test and
> hope they aren't 1st cousins or something. And if they are? I may be back
> to my educated guess.
>
> When I have some time, I really should work this line more forwards and
> look for ALL siblings of both Manuel Correias and Maria de Sousas. And
> cross check for godparents.
>
> So long story short - if the records are old you are stuck with an
> educated guess. If the records are 1800s, DNA could possibly answer the
> question for you.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:41 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, this question is complicated to ask, let alone to figure out the
>> answer but; here goes…   With so many people of the same name marrying so
>> many people of the same name *and* with the priests sometimes writing
>> Francisco Tavares Monteiro and sometime Francisco Monteiro Tavares, s*ome
>> periods of time and some* *records* listing the grandparents and *some
>> not*; how the heck is one *ever sure* of following the correct/same
>> line?  Is it all just an educated guess?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts and expertise.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Living DNA results

[Mary Bordi]

I was already logged in to my existing account from the test I got from
them. There is “Upload” on the navigation bar at the top and I clicked on
that. See screenshots. The directions from there are self explanatory.

I finally found a page somewhere that said they want the unzipped cvs build
37 non concatenated (autosomal only) FTDNA file. I had mistakenly tried the
build 36 file (it seemed to upload okay). So now there are two under my
mom’s name until I can delete the extra. Right now those tests say “DNA
Uploaded” while mine says “Complete” so I assume they are processing.

Best of luck if you are doing it too!

Mary





On Tuesday, January 22, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Mary B,
>
> How did you upload it and which FTDNA file did you use? The v.37?
> Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 4:24 PM Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
>> I got my mon’s DNA info uploaded to LivingDNA from FTDNA and signed both
>> of us up for matching. This should be interesting.
>>
>> I had a little trouble finding which FTDNA file they wanted me to use
>> because some of their links are wonky but I think I got it right.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Monday, January 21, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> When I worked the Living DNA booth last June, he said I'd be able to
>>> transfer my mom. I don't remember when. Something was supposed to come in
>>> the summer, and I seem to remember it being the matching. From what I see
>>> on various DNA posts, they are still in beta testing. If you turned the
>>> matching on, you may get to be a beta tester.
>>>
>>> I believe I emailed them about the transfers. If they don't answer by
>>> the end of the month, I'll try again. I have their phone number, but it's a
>>> UK number. I don't have the emails of the owner or his wife though. Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 7:13 PM Mary Bordi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the info. The site has gotten updates as their 404 messages
>>>> tell me and some links don’t work right just yet.
>>>>
>>>> I’m looking around for sharing info and the like and I think I signed
>>>> up. I am also wondering about transferring my mom’s info. Gotta get them
>>>> more Azorean DNA. I saw some sort of form but didn’t have her info at hand
>>>> (and didn’t see if there was a cost) so haven’t pursued that yet.
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 21, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did mention Living DNA. They are working on teasing apart the
>>>>> British Isles and then expanding to other countries. I agree that your DNA
>>>>> did not match their reference sample population, so the algorithm took a
>>>>> guess and put you in Tuscany and Sardinia. As they develop and get more
>>>>> samples, you'll see more refinements over time.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do have Portuguese samples though. My dad is half Azorean and
>>>>> half British Isles stuff. Here's his ethnicity estimate:
>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> I know my dad's DNA is "Frankish" and misinterpreted by all the DNA
>>>>> testing companies. So I'm sure that "France" part is probably part of my
>>>>> dad's Azorean and didn't match their population samples fully, but matched
>>>>> some of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be sure to opt in to their DNA Matching when it becomes available. I
>>>>> have my dad's turned on and I sit and wait. I'm also waiting to hear about
>>>>> transferring my deceased mom's DNA over. I emailed them and heard nothing
>>>>> back except a form letter that says it can take up to 30 days for them to
>>>>> answer! Wow, a new company who will eventually hire more support staff, I
>>>>> hope.  Cheri
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 1:11 PM Mary Bordi 
>>>>> wrote:
>&g

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Living DNA results

[Mary Bordi]

I got my mon’s DNA info uploaded to LivingDNA from FTDNA and signed both of
us up for matching. This should be interesting.

I had a little trouble finding which FTDNA file they wanted me to use
because some of their links are wonky but I think I got it right.

Mary

On Monday, January 21, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> When I worked the Living DNA booth last June, he said I'd be able to
> transfer my mom. I don't remember when. Something was supposed to come in
> the summer, and I seem to remember it being the matching. From what I see
> on various DNA posts, they are still in beta testing. If you turned the
> matching on, you may get to be a beta tester.
>
> I believe I emailed them about the transfers. If they don't answer by the
> end of the month, I'll try again. I have their phone number, but it's a UK
> number. I don't have the emails of the owner or his wife though. Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 7:13 PM Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info. The site has gotten updates as their 404 messages
>> tell me and some links don’t work right just yet.
>>
>> I’m looking around for sharing info and the like and I think I signed up.
>> I am also wondering about transferring my mom’s info. Gotta get them more
>> Azorean DNA. I saw some sort of form but didn’t have her info at hand (and
>> didn’t see if there was a cost) so haven’t pursued that yet.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Monday, January 21, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I did mention Living DNA. They are working on teasing apart the British
>>> Isles and then expanding to other countries. I agree that your DNA did not
>>> match their reference sample population, so the algorithm took a guess and
>>> put you in Tuscany and Sardinia. As they develop and get more samples,
>>> you'll see more refinements over time.
>>>
>>> They do have Portuguese samples though. My dad is half Azorean and half
>>> British Isles stuff. Here's his ethnicity estimate:
>>> [image: image.png]
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> I know my dad's DNA is "Frankish" and misinterpreted by all the DNA
>>> testing companies. So I'm sure that "France" part is probably part of my
>>> dad's Azorean and didn't match their population samples fully, but matched
>>> some of them.
>>>
>>> Be sure to opt in to their DNA Matching when it becomes available. I
>>> have my dad's turned on and I sit and wait. I'm also waiting to hear about
>>> transferring my deceased mom's DNA over. I emailed them and heard nothing
>>> back except a form letter that says it can take up to 30 days for them to
>>> answer! Wow, a new company who will eventually hire more support staff, I
>>> hope.  Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 1:11 PM Mary Bordi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just got my results back from Living DNA. (See image) I thought I had
>>>> heard about Livimg DNA in this group? My main purpose in using them was my
>>>> “British” Ancestry which they are said to focus on. But the Portuguese
>>>> results were interesting.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting in that they may have been interpreted as Tuscany and
>>>> Sardinia! The Great Britan part of it seems in line with my known ancestry
>>>> but gives me more specifics. I also have the German component. But my known
>>>> Portuguese (Azorean) and French do not appear. And since I do not know of
>>>> any in my family from Tuscany or Sardinia or anywhere in modern Italy I am
>>>> thinking this is where my French and Portuguese are showing up.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, there is always the chance of an Azorean “pai incognito”
>>>> having been a sailor from wherever who landed in (or invaded) the Azores.
>>>>
>>>> It will be interesting to see developments in this testing company!
>>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Living DNA results

[Mary Bordi]

Thanks for the info. The site has gotten updates as their 404 messages tell
me and some links don’t work right just yet.

I’m looking around for sharing info and the like and I think I signed up. I
am also wondering about transferring my mom’s info. Gotta get them more
Azorean DNA. I saw some sort of form but didn’t have her info at hand (and
didn’t see if there was a cost) so haven’t pursued that yet.

Mary

On Monday, January 21, 2019, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I did mention Living DNA. They are working on teasing apart the British
> Isles and then expanding to other countries. I agree that your DNA did not
> match their reference sample population, so the algorithm took a guess and
> put you in Tuscany and Sardinia. As they develop and get more samples,
> you'll see more refinements over time.
>
> They do have Portuguese samples though. My dad is half Azorean and half
> British Isles stuff. Here's his ethnicity estimate:
> [image: image.png]
> [image: image.png]
>
> I know my dad's DNA is "Frankish" and misinterpreted by all the DNA
> testing companies. So I'm sure that "France" part is probably part of my
> dad's Azorean and didn't match their population samples fully, but matched
> some of them.
>
> Be sure to opt in to their DNA Matching when it becomes available. I have
> my dad's turned on and I sit and wait. I'm also waiting to hear about
> transferring my deceased mom's DNA over. I emailed them and heard nothing
> back except a form letter that says it can take up to 30 days for them to
> answer! Wow, a new company who will eventually hire more support staff, I
> hope.  Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 1:11 PM Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
>> I just got my results back from Living DNA. (See image) I thought I had
>> heard about Livimg DNA in this group? My main purpose in using them was my
>> “British” Ancestry which they are said to focus on. But the Portuguese
>> results were interesting.
>>
>> Interesting in that they may have been interpreted as Tuscany and
>> Sardinia! The Great Britan part of it seems in line with my known ancestry
>> but gives me more specifics. I also have the German component. But my known
>> Portuguese (Azorean) and French do not appear. And since I do not know of
>> any in my family from Tuscany or Sardinia or anywhere in modern Italy I am
>> thinking this is where my French and Portuguese are showing up.
>>
>> Of course, there is always the chance of an Azorean “pai incognito”
>> having been a sailor from wherever who landed in (or invaded) the Azores.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see developments in this testing company!
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Downloading FTDNA results

[Mary Bordi]

I had my nephew test with FTDNA and his results came back around a week
ago. I have been trying to download the results file in order to upload to
gedmatch but I keep getting an error. Research tells me that it takes “a
few days” for the download to be available. I’m wondering if it’s just the
amount of tests that were processed after Christmas that’s delaying things
or if there is a problem. Anyone have any idea of the normal timeframe I
should expect?

I added him to the Azores FTDNA project even though he is only one eighth
Azorean. He got DNA from my mom that I don’t have via my brother so I
thought it was worthwhile.

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Salt Verde - Sao Jorge Records

[Mary Bordi]

Could it be Poço Verde? There is an area of Topo with that name. (A street
or road by that name in the postal code index.)

Look for it here:

https://www.geopostcodes.com/Topo_Nossa_Senhora_do_Rosario

At any rate, aren’t the earlier records for Santo Antao under Topo? I’d
look there.

Mary

On Thursday, November 29, 2018, Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> Does anyone know where the Salt Verde Records would be located?
>
> I have a map that shows Salt Verde on the North side of Sao Jorge toward
> the Santa Antao end of the island
>
> Marilyn Thompson
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] uploading gedcom to ftdna

[Mary Bordi]

Thanks for asking this Sam! Just today I was trying to add a relationship
and I encountered the same problem. I had attempted this quite a while back
but became confused and didn’t pursue it. I agree, we must be missing
something!

Mary



On Friday, November 23, 2018, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Well, I’ve never used the search box on FTDNA before.  Didn’t even realize
> it was there.  Ok, I found the person I want to add a relationship for.
> She is my 4th cousin but; when I click on add relationship the only
> choices I see are father, mother, sibling, spouse, son or daughter.  How do
> I add 5th cousin?
>
>
>
> Sorry to be so slow on this and thanks very much for your help,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Friday, November 23, 2018 5:18 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] uploading gedcom to ftdna
>
>
>
> Hi Sam,
>
>
>
> Your choice. You can delete the existing tree or just let the new tree
> override the old one. (I just let the new one override the old one).
>
>
>
> The viewing of the tree is only 4 generations. So you search for the
> person. In the attached screen shot, I searched for Maria de Jesus. If
> you've entered birth dates, they appear. If not, you'll have to click on
> each one of your Maria's to see who she is married to in order to find the
> correct one.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 1:41 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all;  Can someone tell me please, if I want to update my family tree
> on FTDNA, do I still have to delete the existing tree and start fresh?
>
>
>
> Also, if you find a relationship that is more than 4 generations back, how
> do you connect them to your tree on FTDNA since it only shows 4 generations
> maximum or am I missing something?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

[Mary Bordi]

I just transferred mine and my mother’s. She passed away several years ago.
I have regretted not having her test with Ancestry, so this was a no
brainer!

Of course we are both on Gedmatch, too.

I had an account with MyHeritage several years ago so there is an existing
tree. I didn’t renew with them because I had only found only one other tree
with a possible match and they never responded to my inquiry. Now I’m
getting possible matches to my old tree but would have to join to view them
LOL!

Right now I’m just in it for the DNA. :)

Mary



On Thursday, November 15, 2018, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Hi List,
> I transferred my FTDna raw data over to MyHeritage with Cheri's
> instructions, on Nov. 12th. I just now was notified that my ethnicity
> breakdown was available. Quite a few differences from FTDna! On FTDna I
> have *zero *Iberian ethnicity showing, on MyHeritage I show 47%! I show
> 84% Europe with 47% Iberian (Spain/Portugal) and 28% Greek (don't show this
> at all on FTDna. I'm showing 12% N. Africa and 1.8% Middle East which is
> basically what I show on FTDna. So, if you want to check out another DNA
> Company transfer your raw data over and take a look!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry

[Mary Bordi]

I have seen strange entries like that on other people’s trees and thought
it might have been an error on the suggestions that pop up when entering a
place name. I have not seen it on items I’ve entered on my own tree.

I’m going to go check in case they’ve done something!

Mary

On Sunday, November 11, 2018, Mike  wrote:

> I use Ancestry mostly to a place for digital info in case I lose hdd.
> Does anyone else use Ancestry and did the places you list for births or
> anything else get changed by them? I’ve all of a sudden had countries like
> Senegal, Mexico listed for certain persons where entered say do Salao for
> my gggrandmother and not it says Senegal.
>
> Mike
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Can siblings have different DNA estimates?

[Mary Bordi]

My granddaughters share very different amounts of DNA with me.  One shares
1973 cm with me and the other only 1533 cm!  So I can see how the estimates
can vary!

Mary



On Saturday, August 25, 2018, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *A question that is always asked is can siblings have different DNA
> estimates? This article from Dick Eastman’s blog attempts to explain.*
>
>
>
> *https://blog.myheritage.com/2018/08/dna-can-siblings-have-different-ethnicity-estimates/
> 
> *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Search data base

[Mary Bordi]

I have seen that all the time on Ancestry. Ive looked on Family Search
because someone claimed the info was well documented but in the little
investigating I’ve done there I don’t see where it’s any better than
Ancestry. (I may be wrong!)

I hate it on Ancestry when I get a new “hint” that looks promising and then
when I look into the source it’s only someone else’s unsourced tree.

It’s great that we have the ability to look up the baptisms, weddings and
obits in the original documents from the Azores and like Doreen I have
found dates in other’s trees to be wrong. I have seen this mostly when I’m
investigating what may be a DNA link. Some of those trees are not well
sourced.

Mary

On Saturday, July 21, 2018,  wrote:

> I just started exploring the Family Search database. In one case I found
> children older than their parents. In another case I found a death date but
> when I when to it that date in the records it is not there. Is this typical
> for this database? Are there so many error? Is there a way to access their
> reference for the fact they show? Should I make someone there aware of the
> errors
>
> Doreen Caetano
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Needs pronunciation and vocabulary help

[Mary Bordi]

Ah yes, the good old casinha! That was a word that came down from my great
grandparents! I knew of one lady who was on the mainland and asked the way
to the casinha. She was puzzled when she was directed down the street to
the casino!

We also used a little metal pot when we went camping that we called
something that sounded like “pen-eek” and I see the translation for chamber
pot is “penico”.

We had lost most of our Portuguese by the time I came along.  But others
who were visiting the islands that I met on my trips to the Azores were
told they spoke “old fashioned” Portuguese.

Mary


On Tuesday, July 10, 2018, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Earl Medeiros, earlcmedeiros at yahoo.com
>
>
> I am 100% Portuguese….the last of a dying breed….am of an elderely
> age..but still very interested in my ethnicity.  Because of my age, I have
> little or no information regarding my family background as the data is much
> too old.
>
>
> I am 84 years old, and as near as I remember, my father, Manuel Caton
> Medeiros was about 55 years of age,  when he died about 50 years ago…he was
> born in St. Michael.  Grew up in New Bedford, Mass. My mother also of
> Portuguese parents … born in N.B., has a shady and data-less
> background….ergo born approximately  150 years ago.
>
>
> My Portuguese, is fluent…but because the last 50 years, I have lived in
> Chicago area…fluency has suffered.. Have been back to Portugal about 20
> times where I am told that I speak “old Portuguese” For example in a
> restaurant I asked for the casinha…which I was told was lavatorio..but for
> my grandmother who taught me all my Portuguese..she was raised on the
> islands in which days there was no indoor water or electricity..but there
> was a little house…the casinha…or outhouse...just one of the many island
> terms and accents I was taught.
>
>
> I am interested in any information associated with the different
> vocabulary and or sotoque peculiar to island vocabulary.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge

[Mary Bordi]

Sorry, forgot to add--Theresa's baptism is top of right hand page.

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:44 PM Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Possibly Teresa/Theresa's baptism. My eyes are giving out so that's all
> for today. Good thing she wasn't Maria or Anna! And also, 1833 was easy to
> find because it was at the end of the listing which is not broken down by
> year. . :)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1821-1833/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1821-1833_item1/P277.html
>
> Mary
> (Researching Norte Grande and Rosais, Sao Jorge)
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:28 PM Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Right names, right timeframe, maybe this is them. Married in Velas 4 July
>> 1858--right hand page:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P187.html
>>
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:01 PM E. Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Are there any Sao Jorge researchers who can help her. Joaquin Pereira b.
>>> 1827 and Therese Julia Tavares b. 1833. Both born Sao Jorge. I don't have
>>> specifics..i.e. Church, area???
>>>
>>> "E"
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Coelho crossed my mind too, but I didn't know what to do about the "r."
>>> So many possibilities!
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *Coelho*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Rick*
>>>>
>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>>
>>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 4:13 PM
>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A
>>>> Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I keep thinking what has a C,L, and r in it. But with accents and an
>>>> English speaking person writing names they aren't familiar with, it could
>>>> be!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Could Collero actually be Cordeiro?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:25 PM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So far, the only thing coming to mind for that "Collero" looking word
>>>> is Clara. Which isn't a surname. Maybe mom was Maria Clara? Maybe someone
>>>> else has a guess.
>>>>
>>>> You'll need more of a paper trail on them. Here's a how to, full of
>>>> things to try: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>>>>
>>>> Good luck, Cheri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:02 AM, "E" Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ​Sparrow,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am sending you some information to your personal email address.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "E"
>>>>
>>>> ​
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge

[Mary Bordi]

Possibly Teresa/Theresa's baptism. My eyes are giving out so that's all for
today. Good thing she wasn't Maria or Anna! And also, 1833 was easy to find
because it was at the end of the listing which is not broken down by year.
. :)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1821-1833/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1821-1833_item1/P277.html

Mary
(Researching Norte Grande and Rosais, Sao Jorge)

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:28 PM Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Right names, right timeframe, maybe this is them. Married in Velas 4 July
> 1858--right hand page:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P187.html
>
>
> Mary
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:01 PM E. Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are there any Sao Jorge researchers who can help her. Joaquin Pereira b.
>> 1827 and Therese Julia Tavares b. 1833. Both born Sao Jorge. I don't have
>> specifics..i.e. Church, area???
>>
>> "E"
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Coelho crossed my mind too, but I didn't know what to do about the "r."
>> So many possibilities!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *Coelho*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>
>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 4:13 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A
>>> Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I keep thinking what has a C,L, and r in it. But with accents and an
>>> English speaking person writing names they aren't familiar with, it could
>>> be!
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Could Collero actually be Cordeiro?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:25 PM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So far, the only thing coming to mind for that "Collero" looking word is
>>> Clara. Which isn't a surname. Maybe mom was Maria Clara? Maybe someone else
>>> has a guess.
>>>
>>> You'll need more of a paper trail on them. Here's a how to, full of
>>> things to try: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>>>
>>> Good luck, Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:02 AM, "E" Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ​Sparrow,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sending you some information to your personal email address.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>> ​
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sparrow (do you have a real name? You did not sign your name to the
>>> email)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll have to think about this. Her dad might be Joaquim J. Enos which
>>> may be Inacio.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Women didn't have surname in that time period. I will have to think
>>> about what they are trying to say. Maybe someone else will come up with the
>>> answer.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge

[Mary Bordi]

Right names, right timeframe, maybe this is them. Married in Velas 4 July
1858--right hand page:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P187.html

Mary

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:01 PM E. Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Are there any Sao Jorge researchers who can help her. Joaquin Pereira b.
> 1827 and Therese Julia Tavares b. 1833. Both born Sao Jorge. I don't have
> specifics..i.e. Church, area???
>
> "E"
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 27, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Coelho crossed my mind too, but I didn't know what to do about the "r." So
> many possibilities!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Coelho*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 4:13 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A
>> Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge
>>
>>
>>
>> I keep thinking what has a C,L, and r in it. But with accents and an
>> English speaking person writing names they aren't familiar with, it could
>> be!
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Could Collero actually be Cordeiro?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:25 PM Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> So far, the only thing coming to mind for that "Collero" looking word is
>> Clara. Which isn't a surname. Maybe mom was Maria Clara? Maybe someone else
>> has a guess.
>>
>> You'll need more of a paper trail on them. Here's a how to, full of
>> things to try: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>>
>> Good luck, Cheri
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:02 AM, "E" Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ​Sparrow,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sending you some information to your personal email address.
>>
>>
>>
>> "E"
>>
>> ​
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sparrow (do you have a real name? You did not sign your name to the email)
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll have to think about this. Her dad might be Joaquim J. Enos which may
>> be Inacio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Women didn't have surname in that time period. I will have to think about
>> what they are trying to say. Maybe someone else will come up with the
>> answer.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2018 9:19 AM, "Sparrow King" <sparrowir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Joaquin (or Joaquim) came to Oakland, CA and changed his last name to
>> King and his first name to Joseph.
>>
>>
>>
>> He and Therese (Theresa, Thereza?) had a bunch of children including
>> Antonio Roger Pereira (who became Antonio King or Anthony King)
>>
>>
>>
>> Antonio King is my great grandfather.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to find out more info of Joaquin's ancestors as well as
>> Therese's ancestors.
>>
>>
>>
>> Attached is Theresa's death certificate but I cannot decipher her
>> father's name and unsure of her mother's maiden name. Please help?
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] searching 4 husband/wife Joaquin A Pereira(b 1817) and Therese Julia Tavares (b. 1834) from SãoJorge

[Mary Bordi]

Could Collero actually be Cordeiro?

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:25 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> So far, the only thing coming to mind for that "Collero" looking word is
> Clara. Which isn't a surname. Maybe mom was Maria Clara? Maybe someone else
> has a guess.
>
> You'll need more of a paper trail on them. Here's a how to, full of things
> to try: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
> Good luck, Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:02 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> ​Sparrow,
>>
>> I am sending you some information to your personal email address.
>>
>> "E"
>> ​
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Sparrow (do you have a real name? You did not sign your name to the
>>> email)
>>>
>>> I'll have to think about this. Her dad might be Joaquim J. Enos which
>>> may be Inacio.
>>>
>>> Women didn't have surname in that time period. I will have to think
>>> about what they are trying to say. Maybe someone else will come up with the
>>> answer.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2018 9:19 AM, "Sparrow King"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Joaquin (or Joaquim) came to Oakland, CA and changed his last name to
>>> King and his first name to Joseph.
>>>
>>> He and Therese (Theresa, Thereza?) had a bunch of children including
>>> Antonio Roger Pereira (who became Antonio King or Anthony King)
>>>
>>> Antonio King is my great grandfather.
>>>
>>> I am trying to find out more info of Joaquin's ancestors as well as
>>> Therese's ancestors.
>>>
>>> Attached is Theresa's death certificate but I cannot decipher her
>>> father's name and unsure of her mother's maiden name. Please help?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico History and Portuguese Customs 1825

[Mary Bordi]

Mike--

I would recommend a visit to the Azores if at all possible. There are some
good museums and even modern day artisan workshops that are preserving
handicrafts of long ago. Knowing some of the language might help. There are
probably many studies written in Portuguese.

Have you looked around this website:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/default.aspx (Same site where online
archives are located.)

They might have online info from the museums. I wanted to reply before I
forgot so I didn't look for anything specific.

Mary


On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 10:23 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Pico is not going to be different than any other of the Azores islands.
>
> Illiteracy was high for both children and adults. I want to say this did
> not change until the 1900s. Children did tasks for their age and size. Some
> milked cows. Some pulled weeds. Others may have churned butter.
>
> A child would be sent away most likely for a better opportunity or a
> better life.
>
> Most of Pico would have emigrated from the port of Horta. Those records
> start in 1836: https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores
>
> You might want to see if your local public library has a copy of "Atlantic
> Islanders of the Azores and Madeiras" by Francis M. Rogers. Part I is "The
> Lives of Azoreans and Madeirans" and Part II is "Their Values." It's
> written from a American perspective though. I read it 20 years ago so I
> can't tell you specifically what it was about. Maybe I should reread it.
>
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Mickey Blue 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All, can anyone direct me to book(s) or information, hopefully
>> translated into English, which describe social customs and life in general
>> on Pico in 1825/35 when my Great grandfather Manuel Jacinto was born and
>> left Pico? Were children of that era literate? Was school available to all?
>> What work was expected of children under 10 years of age? Why would a ten
>> year old leave home? Are there shipping records to Trinidad or Madeira (he
>> possibly went to Madeira first).
>>
>> These are all things I would dearly like to know. I am hoping to write an
>> historically accurate fiction based on what I know about this remarkable
>> man. I know his parents lived and died on Pico. Though he was the oldest
>> child he was charged with stealing a Frenchman's watch in Trinidad in
>> December 1836, he had just turned 11. I am guessing he was there because
>> slavery was abolished and in 1834 the plantation owners on Trinidad
>> (probably mostly French) were looking for cheap labour to replace their
>> slaves.  The British had taken possession of Trinidad by then and Manuel
>> was tried and sentenced under British law. He spent the next two years on a
>> prison Hulk on the Thames in London before being "Transported" to Van
>> Diemen's Land, now Tasmania Australia, to finish his seven years sentence
>> (sentences were generally, hanging, 7 years or life transportation at that
>> time).
>>
>> If anyone has connections with Trinidad I would be interested if any
>> court records from that era survived and how to access them (I have written
>> to officials in Trinidad but have not received a reply).
>>
>> I would be happy to have any information that would help me understand
>> life at that time. Thank you in anticipation.
>>
>> Mike Emmett
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Garcia, Alvernaz, Caetano, Sequeira, in Santa Clara and San Jose Co, California, no dates

[Mary Bordi]

Gordon--

Someplace I think there is an explanation about the layout of pages. In
this case I think when the book was laid out open the men's names were on
the left page and beneficiaries on the right page. But they were captured
in two photos, so you have to make sure you are reading the corresponding
lines.

I also noticed the term "consorte" and may have even asked about it but
(hanging head in shame) now don't remember exactly the difference from
esposa. A civil marriage perhaps?

It is really interesting going though the different councils, even when you
don't think they apply to your family. I was looking for someone else in
Los Banos and found an entry for someone who is listed as a boarder on the
U.S. Census with one of my relatives in another county because that's where
their beneficiary lived.

Mary Bordi

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 12:08 PM Gordon soares <gws...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mary:
>
> Thanks so much for the UPEC address.  Can you tell me a few things about
> the lists? I take it that one list contains the names of the men enrolled
> and the second list the names of the women who are to receive some kind of
> benefit after husbands death?  Also, when looking at the wive’s list I see
> “consort” under “porques Direito” ? Is Consort another name for married
> (Casado)?
>
> Thanks
> Gordon
>
> On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:28 PM, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I happened to run into a Manuel Silva Sequeira in Mission San Jose in the
> UPEC records when I was looking for someone else. It says he was from Sao
> Jorge. His wife was Maria. I don't know if this is the same one but I
> thought I'd share.
>
> If anyone is interested go here and download the Mission San Jose PDF:
>
>
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/upec-records.html
>
> I'm not putting the direct link because it's 44 pages and took a long time
> to load for me.. Manuel appears for the first time on page 3.
>
> It caught my eye because of my Sequeira ancestors but I'm not sure there's
> a connection.
>
> Mary
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 8:54 PM Rose Zbyzenski <rose.zbyzen...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Manuel Sequiera was the man who fostered my Great Grandmother Harvey
>> {Alvernas, Caton} in the early 1900s. he lived in Mission San Jose. i have
>> not researched him because he was not a blood relative. i can also tell you
>> he was on the original charter of the I.D.E.S., Irmandade do Divino
>> Espirito Santo, and signed the permission slip for my Great grandmother so
>> she could be married, in January 1904. Hope this helps.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:09 PM, bigal429 via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed Sequeira in your genealogy. Where is your Sequeira from?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Rose Zbyzenski <rose.zbyzen...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for your help.Not sure what I am doing , yet I will give it a
>>> try.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:54:29 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Repost for rose.zbyzenski at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: Rose Z: Posts are closed after 30 days. You are responding to
>>>> postings from 5 years ago. It's best just to start a new thread/post after
>>>> 30 days. Since you sent so many messages in a piecemeal style, in a short
>>>> amount of time, the system thinks you are a spammer. So I just copied and
>>>> pasted them together which makes no sense. I suggest you save
>>>> azo...@googlegroups.com in your address book. Then start a new email.
>>>> Address it to azo...@googlegroups.com. In the subject line, I'd list
>>>> the ancestors last name(s), state or Azores island where they lived, and a
>>>> year or span. Then in the body I'd go into more detail. Maybe someone will
>>>> remember these posts from 5 years ago. We have list members who have passed
>>>> on as well, so you may be answering someone who is not on the list anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Rose Z's posts:
>>>>
>>>> been 5 years away from site. Just read your post, yes, Warm Springs was
>>>> a district of Washington township. I believe Milpitas was considered Santa
>>>> Clara County.
>>>>
>>>> Susan, I have been away from this site for a about 5 yrs. Yes, most of
>>>> this is familiar to me, I am connected to most of what you have written.
>>>>
>>>> Been away fro this site for 5years. Thank you, for your info. Yes

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Garcia, Alvernaz, Caetano, Sequeira, in Santa Clara and San Jose Co, California, no dates

[Mary Bordi]

I happened to run into a Manuel Silva Sequeira in Mission San Jose in the
UPEC records when I was looking for someone else. It says he was from Sao
Jorge. His wife was Maria. I don't know if this is the same one but I
thought I'd share.

If anyone is interested go here and download the Mission San Jose PDF:

http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/upec-records.html

I'm not putting the direct link because it's 44 pages and took a long time
to load for me.. Manuel appears for the first time on page 3.

It caught my eye because of my Sequeira ancestors but I'm not sure there's
a connection.

Mary


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> Manuel Sequiera was the man who fostered my Great Grandmother Harvey
> {Alvernas, Caton} in the early 1900s. he lived in Mission San Jose. i have
> not researched him because he was not a blood relative. i can also tell you
> he was on the original charter of the I.D.E.S., Irmandade do Divino
> Espirito Santo, and signed the permission slip for my Great grandmother so
> she could be married, in January 1904. Hope this helps.
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:09 PM, bigal429 via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I noticed Sequeira in your genealogy. Where is your Sequeira from?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Rose Zbyzenski 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for your help.Not sure what I am doing , yet I will give it a
>> try.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:54:29 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Repost for rose.zbyzenski at gmail.com
>>>
>>> NOTE: Rose Z: Posts are closed after 30 days. You are responding to
>>> postings from 5 years ago. It's best just to start a new thread/post after
>>> 30 days. Since you sent so many messages in a piecemeal style, in a short
>>> amount of time, the system thinks you are a spammer. So I just copied and
>>> pasted them together which makes no sense. I suggest you save
>>> azo...@googlegroups.com in your address book. Then start a new email.
>>> Address it to azo...@googlegroups.com. In the subject line, I'd list
>>> the ancestors last name(s), state or Azores island where they lived, and a
>>> year or span. Then in the body I'd go into more detail. Maybe someone will
>>> remember these posts from 5 years ago. We have list members who have passed
>>> on as well, so you may be answering someone who is not on the list anymore.
>>>
>>> Rose Z's posts:
>>>
>>> been 5 years away from site. Just read your post, yes, Warm Springs was
>>> a district of Washington township. I believe Milpitas was considered Santa
>>> Clara County.
>>>
>>> Susan, I have been away from this site for a about 5 yrs. Yes, most of
>>> this is familiar to me, I am connected to most of what you have written.
>>>
>>> Been away fro this site for 5years. Thank you, for your info. Yes, my
>>> grandmother's name is Helen Evelyn {Alvernas, spelling?} Harvey Garcia. It
>>> appears that somewhere around the early 1900s name changed from Alvernas to
>>> Harvey. I really appreciate your help[.
>>>
>>> Lynn, just started researching again after 5 years. Many changes in my
>>> life. Yes, i think the Manuel Caton the 3rd name could be by Great
>>> grandma's grandfather, because of the dates. He seems to have a son named
>>> Manuel. I think this is her father, Manuel, eventually living around
>>> Ashland. And he and his wife passing from possibly TB within weeks of each
>>> other. then the children were given out to relatives or friends. My great
>>> grandma landed in Mission San Jose. And married a few years later to
>>> another Manuel. Alvernaz, changing name to Harvey. Also, I believe the man
>>> who fostered her was Manuel Sequiera of Mission. thank you so much for your
>>> help.
>>>
>>> Elaine, This is Rose Zbyzenski. I have not been on this site for about 5
>>> years.Very shortly after I wrote the first post I was contacted by my
>>> cousin who lived near my parents, and alerted me to a problem with my
>>> parents. My mother past, shortly ,thereafter, I took on all of their
>>> affairs, including my Dad who was in dementia. Then my oldest son passed,
>>> along with other passings. My ex husband past last year. So after , all
>>> these events and being the executor to their wills.I am trying yo find my
>>> way back to myself. I hop this explains why I did not contact any of you. I
>>> so appreciate all the help. I am not that literate in electronics , either,
>>> so, it has been an interesting journey. I could not even locate this site,
>>> again, until, today. I have found a lot about the Garcia , Andrade side,
>>> and now trying to find out about Caton again. God bless all of you for so
>>> much help. and please forgive me for the lack of response. Blessings and
>>> Thank you.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help me verify Parents

[Mary Bordi]

He married Quiteria Maria, widow of Jose Silveira Quadrado.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:03 AM Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> Sorry for all of the requests. I have found some dates that may indicate I
> have wrong information in my tree. So I am trying to make sure of my paper
> trail. I really appreciate the help.
> With that said I have another marriage record for Jose Antonio Gonsalves.
> I can tell it is him as his parents are named. Not sure after that.
>
> It looks like he married___  _ widow of Jose Silveira
> _ marriage date: 8 October 1829?  Any additional information is
> appreciated
>
> goo.gl/8C7ur2left side of the page
>
> Marilyn
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Cheri that is what I was reading too
>>
>> Thank you Rosemarie for the ages. He had to have lied about his age
>> according to the baptismal record I found for him. Her age is correct.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ​Marilyn, line 7--elle idade 58 annos, line 11--ella 22 annos. ​
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is there anything in the marriage that gives any clue as to the age of
 the bride and groom?



 On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> It looks like in the marriage, the bride is the legitimate daughter of
> Manuel Teixeira and Maria Victorina. Yet in the baptism they say the mom
> (bride) is the illegitimate daughter. Something is weird. Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1860-1869/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1860-1869_item1/P175.html
>>
>>
>> Record #35 Isabel  birth date 2 May 1867  baptism: 2 June 1867
>>
>> father: Jose Antonio Goncalves   mother: Marianna Jose
>>
>> Paternal: Manoel Gonsalves Fagundes & Clara dos Anjos
>>
>> Maternal: Maria Victorina single
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1860-1869/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1860-1869_item1/P26.html
>>
>> Marriage record #15 This is the marriage of Jose Antonio Goncalves
>> and Mariana Jose 18 Dec 1862.
>>
>> It looks like the parents match up. Can someone help me with the
>> additional names?  I see what looks like Manoel Teixeira and Maria
>> Victorina. Is that correct?
>>
>> Thank you for your help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Orzilena, Sao Miguel?

[Mary Bordi]

Ponte is not a common name on Sao Jorge, but it does exist. I would also go
with Urzelina!

And having a not-so-common name may make him easier to find (as long as he
as using that name!).

Mary


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:47 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I would say that Orzilena is Urzelina on Sao Jorge.
>
> Most people from Sao Jorge left from Angra or Horta. A few did leave from
> Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island. So if you have a date, I'd look down
> the island column for Sao Jorge island. It'll stick out like a sore thumb!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Bill.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:07 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I know of Urzelina on São Jorge.  I am not familiar with a place on São
>>> Miguel with a name similar to that.
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese social group

[Mary Bordi]

The FM stands for "Flor da Mocidade"

http://www.azores.gov.pt/Portal/pt/entidades/srapre-drcomunidades/contactos/SESFM+-+Flor+da+Mocidade.htm

I Googled it. LOL!

Mary

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 2:29 PM Gordon soares  wrote:

> Has anyone ever heard of the SESFM Portuguese lodge in the Calif area?
> Manual Machado Soares was supposedly one of the 6 founding members and was
> the President for awhile. He is my grand father born in Pico.I don’t know
> what the SESFM stands for.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ancestry

[Mary Bordi]

When I have searched for names on family trees, a private tree will pop up
once in a while in the list along with public trees. A message says to
contact the owner if I want to know more. I cannot search the tree and if
the hit is like many of the ones for public tress it isn't even really the
name I am search for but might be similar.

I am suspicious of any hits on Ancestry now. In trying to find out how I
link to a DNA match many times I have found that the source of the
information on their tree is another Ancestry member's tree. And often it's
my tree!

I have a minimal tree that's public and one going further back that is not.
I'll have to look into the non-searchable option that was mentioned.

Mary

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 9:23 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> As new people come into genealogy, they don't realize at all that the
> trees may be works in progress or theories. They think that it all correct.
> They don't know yet how to evaluate the evidence and what to do with
> conflicting evidence. It's a learning process that they will have to
> learn.  Cheri
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off topic. Gmail app notice.

[Mary Bordi]

I get the message when I access this group (and others) via the web. (I
also have the gmail app. I use both at various times.) Usually you can
click something to continue without the app.

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bettencourt

[Mary Bordi]

I wouldn't rely on the census for correct spelling. If the person being
interviewed was illiterate they may not have known how to spell their name.
Then it was up to the census taker to sound it out, sometimes from a heavy
accent! Even the records in the Azores have different spellings for some
names in different eras. I have most often seen it spelled Bettencourt here
in California. (My ancestors are from Sao Jorge and there is Bettencourt in
the family.)

Where did the Bettencourt you are looking for settle in the US? East or
West coast or somewhere in between? I would pretty much bet they were from
the Azores.

Mary

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:34 AM  wrote:

> I have 2 questions:
>
> 1st - I just want to know the correct spelling of Bettencourt - I've found
> a 1900 census record that has Bettencort. Are they both correct spellings,
> or is Bettencourt the most common spelling? Is Bettencort of varied
> spelling or just plain wrong?
>
> 2nd - I am looking for a Manuel T. Bettencourt (born May 1866) and his
> wife Maria Lourenca de Silva Fagundes (born January 1865). I do not know
> where they were born, the census record just has Portugal. They immigrated
> in 1886. 2 of their daughters (Marie and Ana) married 2 of my grandfather's
> uncles (Antone and Francisco or Frank). So there is no DNA connection on my
> end. I am very interest to know if they were from the Azores. I personally
> knew Marie, Ana, and another sister Alvina. Plus I am good friends with
> Alvina's grandson, and he told me at our class reunion last summer that he
> would like to research his genealogy.
>
> If any one has any information could you please pass it along.
>
> Thanks so much!!
> Pat Frade
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Coupon codes for Family Tree DNA (FTDNA)

[Mary Bordi]

I just got a couple of $25 off Big Y and sent them on to Cheri.

I did Family Finder for my two granddaughters and their results are not in
yet but the holiday offer showed up for them! So if this is the case for
you, check those accounts!

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Have trouble getting into my info in Family Tree ?

[Mary Bordi]

"I don't know that the FTDNA site is iPad friendly."

It's a little bit more friendly than it was... For a while there was little
to no indication that anything was happening "in the background" after
you'd click on something. Like the little spinner icons or others you might
see on your computer, depending what system you use. Now at least it
sometimes says, "loading. And it's really hard to look at the trees (for
me) on my iPad.

And don't get me started on how the tree section reacts to the mouse I use
with my Mac computer!

But we persist, don't we...since we want that information!

Mary

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 2:23 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi George M,
>
> I don't know that the FTDNA site is iPad friendly. I know it's NOT mobile
> friendly. They've been working on that one for a couple of years. Since I
> don't have an iPad, I don't know what FTDNA looks like when viewed from
> that device.
>
> GEDCOM = GEnealogy Data COMmunication. It's a platform all genealogy
> programs have that allow us to share files with each other. If you have no
> computer, then you aren't using a stand alone genealogy program. I don't
> know what they have for iPad genealogy programs. If you are using a cloud
> based genealogy program (Ancestry, My Heritage, Geni), they can create a
> Gedcom. Do an Internet search on: "ancestry.com download gedcom" or "my
> heritage download gedcom" or "geni download gedcom" or whatever you use.
> Then you can follow the directions from there.
>
> For the cousins who tested with AncestryDNAthey can transfer to FTDNA
> for free. To unlock all their tools is $10 on sale (regularly $19). They
> should transfer as soon as possible, as I don't know when the sale is
> ending. Then have them contact me and I'll tell them how to get into the
> Azores DNA Project.
>
> Please use the full name of Family Tree DNA or FTDNA. There are too many
> things out there called "Family Tree" and it gets to be rather ambiguous.
> Thanks! Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC Membership records on Azores GenWeb

[Mary Bordi]

Thank you! The others were very helpful and these should be, too!

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 11:35 AM Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

> On my recent trip to Salt Lake City’s Family History Library for the
> Azores Genealogy Conference, I completed digitizing the remainder of the
> UPEC Membership Records.  The collection is now complete on the Azores
> GenWeb site.
>
> If you’re not familiar with these records ….. they are for California
> ancestors only. The UPEC is a fraternal society that many of our ancestors
> joined for the insurance benefits as well as the socializing with others
> from their country of origin. They list men only but mothers, wives,
> children, etc. may be listed as their beneficiary. They can be an important
> resource for finding out the details of where your ancestor came from. Go
> here to find out more (you may want to copy and paste the links):
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/
>
> The records are listed here:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/upec-records.html
>
> New records recently added:
>
> San Leandro #55, E. Oakland, Madera, Sonora, Valona, Newcastle, Folsom.
> Roseville, Guadalupe, Santa Maria, Crockett, Gilroy, Chico, Palo Alto, Mt.
> View, Santa Maria, Newman, Point Loma, San Juan Baptista, Vacaville,
> Vallejo, Los Banos, Turlock, Lincoln, Castroville, Atwater, Fort Bragg,
> Felton, Oakland #82, Oakley, S. San Francisco, Greenview and Etna, Rodeo,
> Elmhurst, E. San Jose, San Luis Obispo, Martinez, and Napa.
>
> Enjoy!
> Good luck and happy hunting!
> Kathy
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
> ~~~
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if things
changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!).

Mary

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mary,
> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and Almada.
> These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, Azores. In the
> USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just wanted to make that
> clear.
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across the
>> last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of Almada.
>> Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new marriage index
>> and see it its in there.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW <chase.weil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt.
>>> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and
>>> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my
>>> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada
>>> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently,
>>> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete
>>> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>>>
>>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
>>> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
>>> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
>>> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
>>> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
>>> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
>>> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
>>> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
>>> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
>>> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
>>> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>>>
>>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
>>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
>>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if
>>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for
>>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended
>>> from this family?
>>>
>>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across the
last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of Almada.
Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new marriage index
and see it its in there.

Mary

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800),
> who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled
> in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion
> was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to
> come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I
> stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that
> that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>
> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>
> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a different
> ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find another known
> descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if we're also
> connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for discussion in
> this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended from this
> family?
>
> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

Chase, my ancestry user name is mscontrary. My most complete tree on
ancestry is Mary_Armstrong_Bordi and it should be public. I am not 100%
certain the names I mentioned are there--I got them off my computer
genealogy program.

Mary

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:50 PM CW <chase.weil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mary,
>
> Thanks for replying! Can I find you under Mary Bordi at Ancestry, or
> should I look under a different name?
>
> I'll look into transferring my results from Ancestry to FTDNA - perhaps
> I'll find more cousins there that will help me narrow this down.
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 9:12:49 PM UTC-4, Mary Bordi wrote:
>
>> My fourth great grandmother married a Manuel Francisco Almada in 1803 in
>> Norte Grande. I also have Andrè de Sousa Almada (born in 1700s) as sixth
>> great grandfather (different line) whose father may have been Joao.
>>
>> I have tested with Ancestry, FTDNA and 23andMe but more importantly my
>> mom (who is half Azorean and closer to the source) tested with FTDNA. We
>> are both on gedmatch.
>>
>> Not sure if this is the same Almada family. I have ancestors going far
>> back in Norte Grande.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW <chase@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt.
>>> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and
>>> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my
>>> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada
>>> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently,
>>> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete
>>> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>>>
>>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
>>> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
>>> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
>>> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
>>> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
>>> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
>>> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
>>> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
>>> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
>>> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
>>> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>>>
>>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
>>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
>>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if
>>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for
>>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended
>>> from this family?
>>>
>>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

My fourth great grandmother married a Manuel Francisco Almada in 1803 in
Norte Grande. I also have Andrè de Sousa Almada (born in 1700s) as sixth
great grandfather (different line) whose father may have been Joao.

I have tested with Ancestry, FTDNA and 23andMe but more importantly my mom
(who is half Azorean and closer to the source) tested with FTDNA. We are
both on gedmatch.

Not sure if this is the same Almada family. I have ancestors going far back
in Norte Grande.

Mary

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800),
> who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled
> in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion
> was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to
> come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I
> stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that
> that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>
> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>
> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a different
> ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find another known
> descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if we're also
> connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for discussion in
> this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended from this
> family?
>
> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Warning about DNA Projects on Social Media.

[Mary Bordi]

Good to know I'm not the only one wondering what's going on. I have been a
little irritated by certain things on social media, too. Someone, not the
"main" person, has been giving (possibly well meant but...) erroneous
information to newbies. I can't stand to watch.

I have only one mtDNA match and that's at the lowest level. But it's to a
man whose mother's family has lived in a certain part of Portugal for
generations. That means a lot to me! It's worth having taken the test! As
more people test I'm sure there will be more matches.

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation "na ladeira"

[Mary Bordi]

I have hears of steep streets being named "Ladeira do _". Although
there is no street named it sounds like she died there, in the parish of
Santa Catherina, not at home where she lived on Caminho Novo. I am not a
native speaker so I may be reading something into this. I did compare to
other obits to see how they were written.

Mary

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 4:09 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> And I use Google: translate.google.com
>
> You can probably search for: online translators
>
> And try a few out and pick the one you like best.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *I used Bing Translator https://www.bing.com/translator/
>>  *
>>
>>
>>
>> *It translates “on the slope”*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Sme
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 4:50 PM
>> *To:* azores
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation "na ladeira"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1880-1889/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1880-1889_item1/P3.html
>>
>> Right side bottom   Maria Delfina.  3rd line down,
>> meaning/translation of the words  "na ladeira"
>>
>> I can pretty much read the rest.   The translator couldn't translate it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Also,  Does anyone else use a translation program on line and if so,
>> what would you recommend.   I've been using Babylon but it's a hit and miss.
>>
>> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Mary Bordi]

Could it be Martinho de Souza Machado?

Mary

On Friday, August 11, 2017, Eric Souza  wrote:

> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>
> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>
> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza
> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>
> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean passports vs ship passenger manifest

[Mary Bordi]

Thanks Tomás! I have been able to find passports for my great grandparents
who came at different times during the period you state that they were not
required. That's good to know.

Mary

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 6:10 AM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Very Interesting Tomás!
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Tomas Leal  wrote:
>
> Not all immigrants to the U.S. arrived with official passports. My
> grandfather's oldest brother emigrated from Horta in 1885, but his passport
> was issued later to verify his Portuguese citizenship and was signed for by
> his younger brother, who remained in Flamengos the rest of his life. His
> signature is on the back of the passport. I assume that after-the-fact
> documents were not rare, as I cannot imagine any official issuing a
> passport for someone who had already left the country. It's possible your
> ancestors simply came over without papers.
>
> Apparently, passports were not always required for entry to the U.S. For
> example, https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/United_States_Passports shows
> periods when passports were required, and it appears none were required
> between 1862 and 1918. To my knowledge, my paternal grandfather from the
> Azores is the only one of my four grandparents who had a passport; the
> other three did not.
>
> My Azorean grandfather, who emigrated in 1907, did have a passport before
> his departure. Because he was already 18, his passport states he was
> granted an exemption from military service. He probably felt the need for a
> passport stating his military exemption because he would have been
> forbidden by law from leaving the country ahead of fulfilling his military
> obligation. My other grandparents did not have the same issue. In those
> days, many young men swam or rowed out to the ship rather than leave from
> the port, so they could evade the authorities and emigrate without
> fulfilling military service, which might have caused further hardship on
> the family--loss of labor on the farm, loss of income, and so on. I don't
> know why or how my grandfather got this exemption, though I assume some
> sort of "hardship" was claimed. His father (my great-grandfather) had
> already died, leaving the farm to his widow (my great-grandmother). Three
> of his brothers (including his oldest one) had already emigrated and the
> oldest brother had already sent passage from Horta to New York and New York
> to Oakland when my grandfather applied for his passport. Thus, my
> grandfather was fully sponsored before he emigrated.
>
> Tomás Leal
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Corvo picture - 1924

[Mary Bordi]

I have seen knitted hats like those in the picture on the boy in front and
the man sitting. They said they were were worn on Corvo--and so it was!

Mary

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:49 AM Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry. I fixed it already.
>
>
>
> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
> de *Cheri Mello
> *Enviada:* terça-feira, 25 de julho de 2017 17:26
> *Para:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Corvo picture - 1924
>
>
>
> I don't see any picture though :(
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
> eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> Found this picture in a book about José Leite de Vasconcelos written by
> Pedro da Silveira, published 1959.
>
> The picture was taken in Corvo Island, around June 1924.
>
> The one taking notes is José Leite de Vasconcelos and the one behind the
> young boy is Guilherme Emílio Inocêncio, the “cabo-de-mar” (“sea-corporal”
> a local authorithy back then).
>
>
>
> May be the ancestors of someone are there… at least you will get an ideia
> of how things were back those days.
>
>
>
> Muito Obrigado,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>
> *“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” *
>
> Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Simoa, born Manadas, Sao Jorge island, early 1600s

[Mary Bordi]

It's the location inside the church where she was buried. I don't know the
history of that church (though I believe it has been well documented) so I
don't know if it has been rebuilt since that time. So if the church is the
same as it was then you might be able to figure out the location if you
went there (somewhere up from the side doors). I have several obits that
note similar burials but in another church. At some point burials were no
longer allowed inside the church and people were buried in the cemetary.

Mary

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Tony Amarant, tony_amarant at hotmail.com
>
> As a mater of interest, my 7th great grandmother was Catarina SIMOA
> possibly born Manadas, Sao Jorge around the early 1600s died 24 October
> 1685 and buried 25 October 1685 "in a sepulture in the church of São
> Barbara from the transversal doors upwards" what that means if someone
> could explain. Thanks, Tony
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Patron Saints

[Mary Bordi]

My great grandmother was Maria. Her religious name, which she still signed
occasionally after coming to the US and marrying, was Maria das Neves. She
was from Norte Grande, Sao Jorge where the parish church is Nossa Senhora
das Neves.

I actually found a medal of "Our Lady of the Snows" on eBay.

Mary

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:05 AM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Just an observation…if you want to get medals to represent your
> grandparents ancestry….I think what Margaret said is meaningful about the
> patron saints for the parishes….
>
> My ancestry is from mostly Castelo Branco Faial…..My grandmother, had in
> her belongings a little statue of St Catarina and then, just recently, I
> watched over a 94 year old relative who passed away and her father was born
> also in Castelo Branco. In my relative’s wallet was a very old Holy Card of
> Sta Catarina. So it is my deduction that these parish saints were very
> meaningful to our people.
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Jul 12, 2017, at 8:27 PM, Tish M  wrote:
>
> Very nice explanation. I do enjoy learning about the culture of the
> Islands and the Catholic Church which is so intertwined with one another.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If I may, and to clarify - because an island bears the name of a Saint it
>> does not mean it is "The" patron saint for that island.  Sao Miguel is the
>> patron saint in the parish that venerates him which is the Matrix of Vila
>> Franca do Campo.
>>
>> Sao Miguel, Santa Maria and Sao Jorge are island names.
>>
>> Regarding patron saints for Faial.
>>
>> There's no St John of Caldeira.  Following is a list of all the patron
>> saints for that island
>>
>>
>>- Senhor Santo Cristo (Holy Christ) -  Paia do Almoxarife (February
>>1st)
>>- São João Baptista,[St. John Baptist] patron of the nobility of the
>>island (June 24th)
>>-  Divino Espírito Santo [Divine Holy Spirity) (across all islands)
>>- Nossa Senhora das Angústias [Our Lady of Anguish]  - Semana do Mar
>>-  Nossa Senhora da Graça [Our Lady of Grace] - Praia do Almoxarife
>>-  Nossa Senhora de Lurdes [Our Lady of Lurdes] -  Feteira,
>>-  Santa Cecília, in te Matriz, [ Sain Cecilia] patron of the
>>muscialns (25th of Novembro)
>>- Santa Catarina de Alexandria [Sain Catherine of Alenxadria] -
>> Castelo Branco
>>- Nossa Senhora da Conceição [Our lady of Conception] (8th of
>>December) (across all islands)
>>
>> The list is to the credit of Ilha do Faial -  Memória Portuguesa
>> 
>>
>> http://terrasdeportugal.wikidot.com/ilha-do-faial
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. That is why I mentioned St. John the Baptist's feast day is June
>>> 24rh, same as St. John Caldeira.
>>> On Jul 12, 2017 4:15 PM, "Sami"  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the replies. I'm wondering which "St. John" that Sao Joao da
 Caldeira is? I cannot find anything about this saint. Is he the same as St.
 John the Baptist, or Saint John of God?

 On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 2:29:19 PM UTC-5, Sami wrote:
>
> I was just wondering if there were any "official" patron saints of the
> island of Faial, and of Capelo and Feteira specifically?  I would like to
> get a medal/s to wear in remembrance of my great-grandparents. Thanks in
> advance for any answers! :)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Recent Obituary--Cardoza (probably originally Cardoso)

[Mary Bordi]

I'm just posting this because in the past there have been questions about
the Cardoza/Cardoso name. I did not know this man personally and I am not
sure that he of the same Cardoza/Cardoso family that lived in Half Moon Bay
in the late 1800s and early 1900s that someone had been asking about... The
obit says his parents were from Sao Jorge and Terceira and that he was born
in Escalon, Calif.

Serafine J. Cardoza

http://www.hmbreview.com/obituaries/serafine-j-cardoza/article_739e0b4c-61ab-11e7-9bc5-eb8b1a354f59.html

Mary Bordi

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help

[Mary Bordi]

I used Reunion on my desktop Mac for a long time before I got my iPad. The
Reunion app on my iPad syncs perfectly with the computer and now I do all
my perusing of the archives and adding to my tree on the iPad. For more
involved things like printing out reports or merging duplicates I use the
computer.

There is one function that no longer works on my iPad for some reason. In
the "tree view" there is an option to show your relationships and although
it's checked it no longer works for me.

Mary

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:01 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Maria Elena;  You can do that with a computer only if you have a touch
> screen on your computer.  Don’t know if any desktops have a touch screen
> but; various laptops do.  Also, if you hold down the “ctrl” key and tap the
> “+” key the screen enlarges.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>
>
> *From: *Maria Lima 
> *Sent: *Monday, June 26, 2017 9:52 AM
>
>
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help
>
>
>
> Liz,
>
>
>
> One thing you might love about searching on the iPad is how easy it is to
> move through the records and magnify them by making the screen larger.  On
> the computer it takes longer to get through the research - for me.
>
>
>
> Maybe swe meone out there will tell me there's a way to enlarge the
> records on the computer with your hand like on the iPad.
>
>
>
>  I've checked and found Reunion would  work best for me
>
> Since we have one computer (MacBook Pro) which my husband uses most for of
> the time.But one can download the Reunion  program through Dropbox to
> the IPad.
>
>
>
> You'll figure it out and I think you'll joy the IPad.  I love it.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Maria Elena
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

[Mary Bordi]

That was great Cheri!

Mary

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:52 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Great job Cheri.  Should be clear to all now.  
>
>
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Friday, June 23, 2017 9:15 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy ;
> madeira-geneal...@googlegroups.com; islandrou...@googlegroups.com
>
>
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy
>
>
>
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
>
> Here are some department stores in America. Some may be in Canada too:
> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 2][image: Inline image 3]
>
> Let's say you find a pair of Levi's (jeans) on sale at Sears. You have a
> question, but you see no available clerk at Sears. So you set the jeans
> down and go to Macy's to ask the clerk there about the sale on the Levi's
> jeans at Sears.
>
> The above scenario is ridiculous and you know that a clerk in one store
> cannot answer a question about a sale at another store, even if they all
> sell Levi's jeans.
>
> Now, let's say you have walked into a thrift store. They sell donated
> clothes that others have purchased from many department stores such as
> Sears, J.C. Penney's and Macy's. You spot your favorite shirt that you
> ruined 5 years ago. It's just like the one you bought at J.C. Penney's. But
> you have a question. Since you recognize the brand as one that is sold
> exclusively at Penney's, you drive over to Penney's to ask the clerk a
> question about your favorite shirt that you bought 5 years ago and ruined.
>
> And you all know that's completely ridiculous too.
>
> The example above is fairly easy to understand since they involve actual
> brick-and-mortar stores that have familiarity to at least the American list
> readers.
>
> Now let's switch gears. We have DNA testing companies (who have an
> Internet presence). The main 3 players currently are:
> [image: Inline image 4][image: Inline image 5][image: Inline image 6]
>
> These three companies, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), AncestryDNA, and 23 and
> Me, all sell DNA tests, just like Sears, Penney's, and Macy's sell Levi's
> jeans.
>
> Out of the 3 DNA testing companies, one has many "store clerks" and the
> other 2 stores you can't find a clerk in sight. FTDNA has many "store
> clerks" called administrators (or admins, for short). They are there to
> answer questions about the DNA tests you purchased at FTDNA. If you
> purchased a DNA test at AncestryDNA, don't ask your FTDNA admin a question
> about it. Or about 23 and Me. That's like seeing the Levi's in Sears but
> going over to Macy's to ask the clerk a question.
>
> Also, you can take your DNA to the thrift shop. This is a web site called
> GedMatch. You can download your raw data from any of the big 3 testing
> companies and put it on GedMatch. Just like you can purchase clothes from
> Sears, Penney's or Macy's and donate them to a thrift store. But you are
> not going to find something at the thrift store and drive back to Macy's to
> ask a question. So if you upload at GedMatch, don't expect your FTDNA admin
> to help you with GedMatch questions and problems.
>
> The Azores, Madeira (and other Portuguese based projects) were founded 12
> years ago on Family Tree DNA. I'm a Family Tree DNA admin. I'm a volunteer.
> I spend anywhere from 10 to maybe 20 hours a week helping people. You don't
> publicly see this, as I am helping one individual at a time with their own
> personal results. That individual tested with FTDNA. So if you want to test
> with another testing company, that's fine. Don't expect the FTDNA admin to
> help you with your results. That's like seeing the Levi's on sale at Sears
> and asking the Macy's clerk for help. It's the same for GedMatch as well.
>
> Luckily, FTDNA can accept DNA results from AncestryDNA and 23 and Me. So
> if you want help from an FTDNA admin, transfer your results over to FTDNA.
>
>
>
> Now we all know that many store clerks are part time workers and some work
> at more than one store. Some FTDNA admins have tested at other companies
> and are willing to help with those results. Most do not. For those that do,
> many do charge a consultant fee, as it is beyond the scope of what they do
> as a volunteer admin with FTDNA. They are acting as a consultant across
> companies and not solely as a volunteer admin with FTDNA.
>
>
>
> Hope this analogy clears up some confusion.
>
>
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA Project News email

[Mary Bordi]

I just got the email. I'm assuming it's the "new" one. :)

Mary


On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:06 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Thanks. I have resubmitted it. Now I'm waiting for that one to work.
> On May 10, 2017 4:52 PM, "Diane George"  wrote:
>
>> I did not receive it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Diane George
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:30 AM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA Project News email
>>
>>
>>
>> Did any existing FTDNA customers get the email that I sent through the
>> FTDNA system regarding the DNA Project? It basically reminded people to
>> upload their Gedcom, the project was growing, the conference in Salt Lake.
>> And maybe a couple of other things.
>>
>> FTDNA said it went out. The few people I've asked said they didn't get
>> it. So I need more than a few to tell me that they didn't get it.  Thanks!
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter - Feliz Pascoa thread

[Mary Bordi]

Happy Easter all!

I managed to bake some Easter bread this year. Wish I could share it will
everyone!

Mary

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 8:26 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Happy Easter and Feliz Pascoa to all!
>
> If you would like to send your Easter greetings, hit reply and respond to
> this thread ONLY. Do NOT start your own Easter thread.
>
> You may send your Easter greetings on Saturday and Sunday. If it's Monday
> in your time zone, you are too late. The Easter greeting thread will be
> done by then.
> Thanks, Cheri
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Azevedos middle name

[Mary Bordi]

My guess is Bettencourt also. Look at his father's name on the line below.

Jose de Bettencourt de Azevedo, legitimate son of Jose de Azevedo de
Bettencourt.

I see the father and mother in my database since they are from Norte
Grande. I think one of their other children married into my family.

Mary

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:27 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I think it might be Bettencourt, but I've never seen it abbreviated that
> way.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Louie Avila 
> wrote:
>
> For the life of me ... I've never seen an abbreviation like this one ...
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P33.html
>
> Top right side.
>
> Jose de ??? d' Azevedo.
>
> Rosemarie, Cheri, somebody? Help please.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

[Mary Bordi]

Well, I show 0% Iberian but I am only one quarter Azprean.

My mom, who is half Azorean, shows up as 11% Iberian. And 12% Sephardic.
She is also British Isles and East Europe and West and Central Europe
(Irish And Prussian Grandparents on the non Portuguese side so not
surprising).

Mary


On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 7:47 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes)
>
> For those who have tested with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), it appears that
> they have released their new ethnicity ESTIMATES. This is version 3 of this
> interesting tool.
>
> Since it's brand new, I'll just start with looking at my family. The
> Portuguese was clustered into Southern Europe, a big purple swath from
> Portugal to Spain to Italy then Greece. Good news! They've split the
> western part (Spain and Portugal) into Iberian and the eastern part (Italy
> and Greece) into Southeast Europe. My dad, 50% Portuguese is now 12%
> Iberian and 13% Southeast Europe! His British Isles (the other 50%) is
> gone! I guess the key word is they are still ESTIMATES.
>
> It'll be interesting to see what others get! Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Jorge Marriage Database

[Mary Bordi]

I will cease and desist. (I had not started yet anyway.) Cheri is right.

Most of all I would not want to jeopardize access to the records for
personal use. It's so wonderfull to have them.

Mary

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:44 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> You guys need to STOP. It's not that I'm trying to rain your parade, but
> there's problems.
>
> First, whenever the CCA was approached about helping to index, we were
> always turned down. ALWAYS. They don't say why. Just a no thank you. I've
> thought about it. And I made up the following reasons why we are rebuffed:
> 1) They aren't in control of the project. 2) They have a bunch of
> non-native speakers doing this. 3) There's really no cross-checking.
>
> I could solve #2 & #3 for them. Do it like FamilySearch does. Two people
> independently index the same set of records. Someone compares the records
> to make sure they are extracted the same. If they are not the same, it goes
> to a 3rd person (who should be a native speaker in my opinion).
>
> 2nd Problem. There's NO standard. You MUST set a standard and the CCA has
> to agree to it. You don't even have freguesia spelled right! The dates most
> likely need to be in European format and most likely need to be with
> Portuguese abbreviations for the months. The names must be in modern
> Portuguese (Ana, not Anna). And there needs to be a rule for d', de, da,
> do. You are doing this from a completely egocentric, American point of
> view. This is exactly why they don't want our help.
>
> 3rd Problem: You DO NOT have permission from the CCA to do this. "It's on
> the Internet and it's free" may not apply in a European court. Would they
> go after you? I don't know. Could they take down the whole site so no one
> has access to it? Sure they could. Do you want that on your shoulders?
>
> So, do not do this. Like I said, I'm not raining on your parade. Things
> are done differently over there.
>
> If you can figure out a way to make a proposal to them, they can read it.
> Maybe they will respond back.
>
> Please do not jeopardize the records for all of us. Do NOT do with without
> the OK from the CCA.
>
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Louie Avila 
> wrote:
>
> Jeremy,
>
> Any guidelines?
>
> Leave out the de, da, do, etc?
> Use the most current spelling of the name (i.e. Joaquim vs Joachim)?
> Place spaces between the date (12 Sep 1899 vs. 12Sep1899).
>
> You rock!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA- mtDNA changes

[Mary Bordi]

Oh, good to know that it needs to be the FMS. I believe that's what I
upgraded to (back in 2009--where has the time gone?).

At one point my haplogroup was H but it was refined quite a while ago to
H-G16129A!

I only have one match and that's at the lowest level. Fortunately he is
Portuguese!

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA- mtDNA changes

[Mary Bordi]

I also checked after receiving that email. No change for me either. I'm an
H with a bunch of numbers after it.

Mary


On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 5:36 AM Joseph Mendonca 
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> I just received an email from FTDNA announcing some changes with its mtDNA
> testing.  As of yet I haven't noticed any changes to my haplogroup (H).
> Has anyone here noticed any changes?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge Demographic Study DOWNLOAD BY 3/20/2017

[Mary Bordi]

Thank you Jeremy! I've just skimmed the first few pages.

The only ancestors I have on paper from Ribeira Seca were from the early
1700s but I must share DNA with some who still live there. At any rate, I
am fascinated with the history and social aspects of the island and I
suppose many of those were similar in Ribeira Seca and the freguesia my
ancestors moved to (Norte Grande).

And thanks to the gentleman who researched, wrote it and shared.

Mary

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:35 PM 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Per your requests, I am making available the pertinent parts
> (demographics) of a study that I have.
>
> I hope that you will find it interesting - I think some of the statistical
> information included is absolutely fascinating.  If anyone has Ribeira Seca
> ancestry in particular it is a great aid.
> I ask only that you not make this file available outside this group.
>
> Please *download *the .pdf file by clicking:
>
> 
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> https://sites.google.com/site/azoreangravestones/Sao%20Jorge%20Demographics.pdf?attredirects=0=1
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pascoal Machado Obit

[Mary Bordi]

My guess is that the two lines following Margarida Rosa do not apply to
her. I think it says that he was given last rites (or the sacraments) by
___ Moraes of Norte Grande and I can't make out the rest. Something
about his burial I think.

I hope someone else gets more out of it!

Mary

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:52 PM Louie Avila  wrote:

> Help please:
>
> Bottom right:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-O-1853-1860/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-O-1853-1860_item1/P11.html
>
> I see it is the obit of Pascoal Machado and appears he is the widower of
> Margarida Rosa.
>
> Its the two lines after her name that I am confused ...
> Is the priest saying she died (or her obit) is in Norte Grande?
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Monte de Baixo, in Candelária?

[Mary Bordi]

Well, there is a location in the postal code list by that name:

http://m.prt.postcodelist.com/region/Candel-ria_4v.html

(I'm having fun with the postal code list today!)

Mary

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:35 AM Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

> My 2nd great grandfather, Joao de Andrade de Macedo, according to his
> obito, died in Monte de Baixo, in Candelária, (as did his wife). I have
> searched maps and cannot find this. Is it a road, a neighborhood, or what?
> Anyone know?
>
> Kathy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

[Mary Bordi]

This isn't a map but it's a list of streets and postal codes for Graciosa.
Not sure if all streets are there. It has been interesting for me to browse
my Sao Jorge communities so it might be interesting for you to look at
Graciosa.


http://m.prt.postcodelist.com/region/Santa-Cruz-da-Graciosa_3.html

Mary

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:44 AM Ken Waters  wrote:

Hi Susan,

Wow, I didn't know about that.  Thank you so much for catching that.  Does
anybody on the list know where I can get a good map of Graciosa that would
include street names?  Google Maps only labels no more than 5-10% of the
streets for the island.  There must be a better map somewhere---something
like the maps I saw with that grave-marking website that was recently
mentioned on this list but unfortunately only had 4 of the islands on it
and didn't include Graciosa.  I did try Google but pretty much any websites
I found just ended up embedding Google Maps in there anyway which takes me
back to the same problem.

Maybe somebody has access to such a map and could possibly identify how to
find it in Google Maps?

Thanks,

Ken

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:48 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi Ken,

I think you have made some great decisions and are making wonderful
progress!  Sorry to scare you off of SATA but I have a feeling that the
flight that you take from Terceira to Graciosa might be with SATA? I really
am no expert at all, but I want to reassure you, if it is, that those inter
island flights on SATA were very good!  The long flights to and from the US
were the ones that with which we have had all the problems.

Really good idea to just try to have quality time on Graciosa!  I took a
look at some of your records and just wanted to make sure you saw that they
give the actual street on which your grandfather was born. Caminho das
Fontes!  Maybe you will get even more clues in these records but this is a
wonderful bit of information. You can certainly find that street and know
you are walking in the footsteps of your ancestors!!

Very excited for you!

Susan Vargas Murphy

On Mar 1, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Ken Waters  wrote:

All,

Thanks so much for the replies and suggestions.  I combined all my comments
and updates into one e-mail in order to avoid posting too many individual
posts on the list.

Given the comments I saw on SATA it sounds like using TAP as proposed may
be a good choice. I think I'd like to pass on getting the "I survived SATA"
t-shirt (and the experience).  :-)

As I mentioned I found $82 Lisbon-Terceira.  I found Lisbon-Graciosa
(changing in Terceira) for $144.  I like the idea of taking one of the
ferries but from what I saw online and comments found it seems the service
can be irregular.  Indeed, online it looked like service was only once a
week, particularly during the off-season and I couldn't even find a
schedule.  Given all that I feel it might be safer to look at the
Lisbon-Graciosa flights.  Perhaps a longer stay could involve the ferry (I
love the idea of taking a boat for the scenic aspect) but not this time.

I took seriously the comments about strategy regarding one versus multiple
islands.  I'm pretty locked into no more than 4 days maximum and so I think
I'd like to take the tack of doing one island well and that one should be
the one where I might have the biggest bang in terms of family searching.
That will allow enough time to thoroughly soak up the culture as well as
search for my possible da Silva relations in person and in records.

I did take a look at AirBNB and was pleased to find a couple of facilities
that look very promising and at very reasonable rates.  I think I will
attempt to use one of them for the stay.

Now, shifting to the da Silva line, I want to thank those who sent
promising notes about da Silva/Silva connections in Graciosa:  Leonard, Sue
Q, and Don.  I would like to follow up with each of you.  I plan on doing
some more pre-trip legwork (including CCA research) to give me a better
chance of success on the island.  Along those lines, I started building a
website (http://www.familytreeaz.com/Working/daSilva_Graciosa/) to help me
keep track of my da Silva family and the records found.  I've still got 4
more that I need to find (please disregard those placeholder links for
now) and add to the website but do have 4 on there now.  I included both my
digital image excerpts of each record as well as the link to the specific
page to facilitate better analysis (including others on the same page).  I
hope to have the missing 4 up there by this evening. Much thanks to Edna
Epps for finding these records that would have probably taken me 10x the
time to find.  Here is the family group that I'm referring to:

PARENTS

Manuel da Silva, born 9 Oct 1806, Santa Cruz
Louisa Candida, born 23 Jan 1799, Santa Cruz
MARRIAGE: 9 Sept 1827, Santa Cruz

CHILDREN

Maria da Silva, born 21 June 1828, Santa Cruz
Francisco da 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Villages Online Now - Azorean Gravestone Project

[Mary Bordi]

Wow, beautifully detailed map! I have been looking for one like that of Sao
Jorge. I saw one on display when I visited 10 years ago but was unable to
buy one at the time.

Mary


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> CEMETERY MAP FINDER:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/azoreangravestones/interactive-mappin
> g
>
> *NEW Detailed CENTRAL ISLAND MAP CLICK HERE
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit

[Mary Bordi]

Ah yes, SATA. I like Susan's diplomacy!  There's the nickname "Sitting At
The Airport".

We were fortunate to be on a tour with a guide who knew that SATA owed us a
free meal of the delay was longer than a certain amount of time.

Of course, the weather conditions can be changeable and flights can be
delayed. But sometimes it's inexplicable!

Mary

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 5:55 PM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Hello Ken,
>
> Cheri mentioned SATA and I just want to say that I have had some issues
> with SATA as it is hard to explain but three of three
> times I have flown with them have had long delays, one overnight. I am not
> sure about TAP, but think that I want to try flying to the mainland and
> then taking TAP if I ever get to go again.
>
> I have been to five of the nine islands and you are right, the others have
> more tourists but for good reason. Sao Miguel is particularly beautiful.
> If you can at all afford more time, I would recommend including Sao Miguel.
> But with three days, you will have to arrive on Terciera…be lucky to get to
> Graciosa that day (seriously) and if you make it, then you will have one
> day in Graciosa (two nights) and will have to fly back to Terceira (I
> think) to fly back to the mainland. If that is all you can afford time
> wise, DO IT, rather than not go!  If you do, you will be back for sure.  I
> may sound biased (haha) but i have been to Portugal, Spain (not Morocco)
> and the beauty of the Azores and excitement that I felt visiting the land
> of my ancestors surpassed anything in Spain and Portugal. I have not been
> to Graciosa, but imagine that it, like Sao Jorge and Flores that I have
> visited, is more untouched by the modern world.
>
> Unless you know of specific family ties, it will be hard to find the “da
> Silva” family as Silva is sort of like Smith here…probably the most common
> surname.
>
> Best of luck to you…you are in for a treat!
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
>
> On Feb 25, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Ken Waters  wrote:
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> I just booked a 2-week open trip to Spain and am hoping to include a swing
> through the Azores out of Lisbon maybe for about 3 days. I have so many
> questions, looking for advice from those who may have visited. First of
> all, it would be wonderful to look up da Silva family on Graciosa. Is there
> anyone on this list from the island who could maybe help me out? It looks
> like some of the other islands are more of a magnet for tourists.  Any
> favorite islands of the group?
>
> Also is TAP out of Lisbon the best way to get there? A quick look found
> $82 RT fares Lisbon to Terceira.
>
> I have no doubt 3 days is not enough time to enjoy the islands but I do
> have to balance the time with other sites like Spain, mainland Portugal,
> and a trip to Morocco.
>
> If any of you know a good contact on Graciosa please let me know. Thanks!
>
> Feel free to direct message me (or to the list if it's germane to others)
> if you have any suggestions.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ken
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores Family in Calheta, Sao Jorge

[Mary Bordi]

My grandmother's first cousin married a Joaquim Flores. I just recently
found his birth on July 9, 1868 in Topo Sao Jorge. His parents were
Constantino Jose Flores and Maria Silveira. I'm out of contact with that
side of the family and so far I have not connected via DNA test with any of
his wife's relatives (I would be related to her, not to him).

Until I found indications that he was from Topo I did not even suspect he
was from Sao Jorge because, as you mention, the name is not common. At
least I haven't seen it on the other end of the island where my ancestors
came from.

Mary

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:55 AM 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Is anyone connected with the family with the last name "Flores" in Calheta
> on Sao Jorge? I am hopeful there may be a few in this group, as I match a
> great many on FTDNA.  It is a small line, but there are many descendants.
> Pretty much anyone with this name in the council of Calheta on Sao Jorge
> appears to be related - it is very very uncommon.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cunha Americanized

[Mary Bordi]

There were/are many Cunhas in the Half Moon Bay area (the middle school
bears the name). I never heard of any using an Americanized version--even
though there could be problems pronouncing it. However, if it was chased to
something completely different it would be hard to know if you didn't know
the family beforehand. (Though its not my family name I've heard it all my
life so it doesn't look or sound strange to me.)

Mary

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:27 PM 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any ideas or knowledge as to how Cunha may have been
> changed in the U.S.? (like Machado often became Martin)
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sousa -- Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel to Norte Grande Sao Jorge

[Mary Bordi]

This probably won't help anyone. Bernardo da Sousa, from Ribeira Grande,
was living in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, in 1882. He was married to a Norte
Grand gal, Maria da Camera.

This is a birth record for his son Bernardo, bottom right.:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1880-1889/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1880-1889_item1/P53.html

The father Bernardo is listed as pais incognitos so I'm not sure if anyone
is even looking for him. :(

(For those who missed previous discussion, I am simply posting people I run
across while researching Norte Grande who are from other islands. People
researching them may not know where they went. I have no connection as far
as I know. )

Mary

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel residents on Sao Jorge

[Mary Bordi]

I don't know if this would be helpful or not. Please let me know if you
think it's worth doing.

In researching Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, I once in a while run across
baptism records where one or more of the parents is from another island, so
far mostly Sao Miguel. I'm putting myself In the place of other researchers
who lose the trail of an ancestor. Maybe the moved to another island.

Here is Jose da Costa Felicio who was a sapateiro in Norte Grande. His wife
is Maria da Conceiçao. They were from Ponta Garça, Sao Miguel. This record
is for the birth of their son Manuel in 1882. Grandparents are also
mentioned.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1880-1889/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1880-1889_item1/P80.html

Let me know if this is helpful even if this record doesn't apply to you. If
I should continue, what would be the most helpful subject line?

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help please

[Mary Bordi]

Also I think the "condiçao por duvidar de baptismo feito em casa" means
they were unsure of the validity of baptism at home (done because of danger
of death).

Hope that helps.

Mary

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:10 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

In the 1st day of month of October in the year of 1899, in this church

Parish of Nossa Senhora of Assumphca of Minde concelho of Torres Novas, the
government? (patridrchado) They are not saying "Diocese" but something
along those lines of Lisbon, Baptises under (sob) condition of (duridar? I
cannot figure this word out) of baptism done at home per danger of life,
one individual of masculine I gave the name of Amadeu, and that he was born
in this freguesia at the first hour of afternoon of day fourth of September of
the same year; son legitimate of Joao Francisco Pena and of Anna De Jesus
Ferreira he natural of the place of Casaes Robustos, freguesia of São Pedro
de Alcanena, council of Torres Novas of this (diocese thing?), she native
of Serra de Santo Antonio of this freguesia of Minde where they were
received (married) and are parishoniers and living in the said lugar of
Serra de Santo Antonio; grandson paternal of Jose Francisco Pena and of
Maria Justina, and maternal of Antonio Carreira and of Joaquina de Jesus;
godfather Joao Ferreira Garmerio, uncle maternal, and godmother Maria
da Encarnação,
both single, workers, natives and living in the said lugar of Serra de Santo
Antonio, https://goo.gl/QtS9yJ (you
are in the 3rd time period).


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help please

[Mary Bordi]

What beautiful handwriting.

I looked up "patriarchado" because I was interested. It translates to
"patriarchate". Wikipedia states (among several other meanings):

One of ten high-ranking bishops of the Roman Catholic Church: seven
"patriarchs of the east" (six who are heads of Eastern Catholic Churches
and the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem), plus the patriarchs of Lisbon,
Venice and the East Indies;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchate

We probably won't run into this in the Azores but it's interesting to know
that it includes Lisbon.

Mary

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:10 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> In the 1st day of month of October in the year of 1899, in this church
>
> Parish of Nossa Senhora of Assumphca of Minde concelho of Torres Novas,
> the government? (patridrchado) They are not saying "Diocese" but
> something along those lines of Lisbon, Baptises under (sob) condition of
> (duridar? I cannot figure this word out) of baptism done at home per danger
> of life, one individual of masculine I gave the name of Amadeu, and that
> he was born in this freguesia at the first hour of afternoon of day fourth
> of September of the same year; son legitimate of Joao Francisco Pena and
> of Anna De Jesus Ferreira he natural of the place of Casaes Robustos, 
> freguesia
> of São Pedro de Alcanena, council of Torres Novas of this (diocese
> thing?), she native of Serra de Santo Antonio of this freguesia of Minde where
> they were received (married) and are parishoniers and living in the said
> lugar of Serra de Santo Antonio; grandson paternal of Jose Francisco Pena
> and of Maria Justina, and maternal of Antonio Carreira and of Joaquina de
> Jesus;  godfather Joao Ferreira Garmerio, uncle maternal, and godmother
> Maria da Encarnação, both single, workers, natives and living in the said
> lugar of Serra de Santo Antonio,  know properly. Then something like it was read back and they (godparents)
> answered it was correct and the record was drawn up in duplicate. Era ut
> supra (It was as above - Latin).
>
> It's still a Catholic church record and is the same format. I'm not
> familiar with the locations in Lisbon. But you can still use the template
> below to figure out any more you have. You pretty much have the gist of it.
> You get names, dates, and places. You missed "he" (elle - today ele) for
> the father and where he was from and "she" (ella - today ela)  where the
> mom was from. And the part where they were married "onde foram recebidos."
> And the word uncle (tio).  Here's the template: https://goo.gl/QtS9yJ
> (you are in the 3rd time period).
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dona?

[Mary Bordi]

That's really interesting! I knew I had a (very) few Donas in my tree but
never figured out why. Like you Cheri, I thought I came from peasant stock.
I see that one of my 5Ggrandmothers (born mid 1700s) used it. Her daughter
and granddaughter also used it. But my GGgrandmother did not.

They were from Norte Grande, Sao Jorge. The paper about the history of
Velas that was mentioned earlier in this group has info on Norte Grande.
I'm going to have to study it more closely and see if these women or their
husbands are mentioned!

So glad this topic came up!

Mary

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:08 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I'm not sure if the title was passed down. I would think so. I come from a
> really long line of peasants, so I don't believe I have any Donas in my
> tree.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Cheri. So, it’s the “upper crust” of the Azores, then? LOL I
> assume that would mean that the title is passed down to daughters?
>
> k
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>
> Climb my Family Tree:
> http://www.kathys-place.com/Kathy/index.php
> ~~~
>
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Notes from Joao Ventura, the archivist:
>  Dona was a title for a lady of higher position or nobility
>
> > 1600s, title was real
>
> > 1700s titles was sometimes real
>
> > 1800s titles were less accurate
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
>
> How is it that a woman is called “Dona”? Is it a title of respect, money,
> position? Is it inherited? I’ve never really known and thought it was time.
>  :)
>
> Kathy
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviation on Marriage Record

[Mary Bordi]

I was reading the names and I was thinking "Sao Jorge" and when you
provided the link it was! (I like to do that.)

Anyway, I have Nunes Gil in my Sao Jorge ancestry. (Norte Grande.) Not sure
how common it is, but it did exist in this timeframe.

Mary



On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:55 PM 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Awesome!
>  Thank you so much Cheri! I really appreciate the clarification. Figures
> that my record should be an oddball. ;-) my luck!
>  I'm amazed it really was Gil! I'd never seen that and due to its
> shortness I had assumed it was an abreviation.  Is Gil a fairly rare last
> name?
>
> Jeremy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dissertation on São Jorge Velas society and culture

[Mary Bordi]

This paper is fantastic! You can do a search on the locality (or names) and
quickly see the references.

I love the brands! I found one for someone with the same name and of the
same era as my 6 GGrandfather.

I can read some Portuguese and this will encourage me to improve and also
learn new words.

My ancestors were from Rosais and Norte Grande, so the are both covered.

Mary

On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 6:45 PM Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> I did not really think mine would have been at that end of the island.
> OH Well
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> Marilyn, mine is from Norte Grande and he was still married to the same
> wife when he died at age 86. That's the trouble with Portuguese research,
> so many with the same names it's just gets so crazy!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
> Mine are probably just the same name but different persons from the other
> end of the island
>
> Marilyn
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 3:51 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mine was married to Teresa Maria de Jesus...I descend from Joao de Sousa
> Machado and Teresa's son, Joao Inacio de Sousa, b. 9-7-1736 in Norte
> Grandemarried first time, 7-12-1762 to
>
> Maria Bernarda Poderosa,  and 2nd time to his son-in-laws sister, Joanna
> Maciel Alvares.
>
>
> Nancy Jean
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Marilyn Thompson 
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 1, 2017 3:45:14 PM
> *To:* Cheri Mello
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dissertation on São Jorge Velas society
> and culture
>
> I am going to chime in also. I have two Joao de Souza Machado's in my data
> base. What is the time period you are talking about?
> Mine are father and son. The information I have is at the other end of the
> island, Ribeira Seca and Topo. It maybe 2 others by the same name.
> Joao deSouza Machado b abt 1765 Ribeira Seca m 22 Apr 1789 Topo to Maria
> Antonia de  Azevedo b Topo ( I must not have this baptism yet)
>son: Joao deSouza Machado b 12 Feb 1799 Topo m 17 Nov 1823 Topo to
> Maria Delfina de Santo Antonio b 17 Feb 1801
> and son: Manuel b 18 Nov 1791 Topo
> The younger Joao deSouza Machado's brother is Manuel Joao Machado *(My
> direct line)* B 12 Sep 1824 Topo m 24 Sep 1849 to Isabel Joaquina b 23
> Jan 1828 Ribeira Seca
>
> Marilyn
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Victor Soares 
> wrote:
>
> Nancy - you can delete everything after pg. 128 and then upload it to
> Google Translate: https://translate.google.com/?tr=f=en
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 12:00 PM nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh dear
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 1, 2017 1:58:31 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dissertation on São Jorge Velas society
> and culture
> Convert it to Word and run portions of it through an auto-translator. It
> says it's 310 pages, so that's a lot to translate. I don't have the ability
> to convert it to word, but Adobe Reader DC says that for a fee it can be
> converted to Word.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 11:46 AM, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I tried auto translate to English with no luck.any suggestions?
>
>
> Nancy
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Victor Soares 
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 1, 2017 1:17:27 PM
>
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dissertation on São Jorge Velas society
> and culture
>
> Yes, that's the João de Sousa Machado that I'm referring to.
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 11:00 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> Is Joao de Sousa Machado married to Josepha de Sao Joao? They had 6
> children that I know of but I only have mariages for my Domingos Antonio de
> Sousa and his brother Antonio Sousa Machado married to Maria Inacia de
> Azevedo, all of Norte Grande, Sao Jorge. There are four other sibs that I
> don't have marriages for yet, I usually didn't look for them all and only
> recorded what I found while searching for my direct line.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 10:42 AM, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> OMG! I wonder if 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[Mary Bordi]

It doesn't appear that he died on that date in Norte Grande. Might have
been elsewhere.

I looked at his baptism in case there was anything written there later as
there sometimes is--no, just baptism info.

Mary

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:49 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Resident? Residing? Rua Something? I'd pull the death to figure it out.
> Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores female literacy in 1900?

[Mary Bordi]

Yes, that is very interesting! Thank you for sharing.

Mary

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:39 PM linda  wrote:

> I found the reference I had in mind.
>
> This information is specific to Sao Miguel island for 1863 or 1864.  I
> don't know how much it can be generalized either to the other islands or to
> later in the century, but it does provide a little window on the state of
> education in one place at one point in time.
>
> Source: Supico, Francisco Maria 1864 Almanach do Archipelago dos Acores:
> Estatistico, Historico, Recreativo e Noticioso.  Typographia da Persuasao,
> Ponta Delgada, pages 52-56.
>
> Number of Primary Schools for Boys:
> 20 public schools attended by 1234 students
> 8 municipal schools attended by 428 students
> 14 private schools attended by  538 students
> total = 2,200 students
>
> Number of Primary Schools for Girls:
> 5 public schools attended by 334 students
> 4 municipal schools attended by 308 students
> 63 private schools attended by 1,460 students
> total = 2,102 students
>
> [I believe the difference between public and municipal schools was that
> the first were funded by the Portuguese government and the second, by the
> Camara Municipal.]
>
> Supico notes that included in the attendance numbers of the girls' private
> schools, there are 84 boy students, so the actual total number of boys
> attending primary school is raised to 2,284 and the total number of girls
> is reduced to 2,018.
>
> Relative to the total population of both sexes on the island, the
> proportions of school attendance were therefore established to be:
>
> males, 4.532 per 100 individuals [4.532% of the boys on the island of San
> Miguel attended primary school in 1863 or 1864]
> females, 3.600 per 100 individuals  [3.6% of the girls on the island]
>
> Supico makes the explicit point that "Nenhum districto do continente e
> ilhas apresenta um resultado tao satisfactorio sobre a instruccao do sexo
> feminino." (page 52)  "No district of the Continent or the Islands
> demonstrates such a satisfactory result dealing with the instruction of the
> feminine sex."  In comparison, he notes that Lisbon came closest with
> 2.236% of the girls there attending school, and if all the districts of the
> continent were taken together, only 0.861% of the girls on the mainland
> attended school.
>
> Supico further notes that after the stats were collected, new co-ed public
> free schools were opened by the Municipa Camara of Ponta Delgada, but their
> attendence figures weren't available to be included in his totals.  The
> implication being that education rates were somewhat higher than he could
> statistically demonstrate.
>
> Secondary education:  There were about 200 students enrolled in private
> secondary education.  There was also free secondary education for both male
> and female students available at 4 legally credentialed institutions.
> These "collegios" offered instruction in Portuguese, French, English,
> Latin, "latinidade" [Classics??], drawing, music and dance, and they had
> 130 regularly attending students.  Moreover, there were also almost as many
> students who received instruction from uncredentialed teachers who,
> according to Supico, "weren't much inferior to those of the authorized
> institutions" ["mestres sem habilitacao legal, nao sera muito inferio as
> dos collegios authorisados"].  Additionally, Supico noted that some of the
> teachers give lessons in the students homes, and these students were not
> included in his stats.
>
>
> I hope all this info is of interest to some of you-- I know I find it
> fascinating :).  I think discussing the culture and history of the islands
> can provide some valuable insights into our shared heritage and
> genealogies.  I know in my case, I'm continually trying  to understand my
> family in the context of their original culture and how as immigrants they
> adapted (and often didn't) to the culture of their adopted home in
> California.  I read the anecdotes shared here with interest because of how
> they compare and contrast with the stories handed down in my own family.
> And they help me to remember that my broad assumptions about "life in the
> old country/old days" aren't always accurate.  The education rates in the
> Azores in the 19th century were woefully low compared to what we have come
> to expect, but who would have guessed that in Sao Miguel in 1863 a girl had
> nearly as good a chance of getting a bit of schooling as a boy?  Not me!
> Nor would I have ever thought that an Azorean island had a better record of
> sending girls to school than anywhere on the continent!   Or
> that--apparently--girls' schooling was important enough to some
> [wealthier?] families to support about three times as many girls' private
> schools as there were boys' public schools and this was how most of the
> girls were educated... just fascinating...
>
> Anyway, as they say, "thank a school teacher if you can read this"--and
> thanks to Cheri 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores female literacy in 1900?

[Mary Bordi]

This comment is about literacy in the US but it concerns my grandmother,
whose parents were from the Azores. (I already commented that her father
could not read or write but her mother could). Grammy attended a one room
school here in California that taught 1st through 8th grade. Most children
did not go on to high school. Many didn't complete all eight grades. But at
the time Grammy was there they offered girls (specifically) an additional
year of education. She took advantage of this so I suppose her parents were
on board with it.

This may also have been a help to the teacher who could have used a helper
with the younger children.

Mary


On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:03 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Education and literacy can be a bit different. And I would think the
> definition of literacy would change over time. I've worked with some Civil
> War pension files that contained letters from various relatives. I guess
> they would be considered "literate" as they wrote a letter (albeit poorly),
> however, they could not comprehend the response that was being written back
> to them. They weren't educated enough. However, that's an anecdotal example
> and we can all come up with them from our own families. The original
> question asked about female literacy around 1900. It's hard to find stats
> on just females for that time period.
>
> I was reading up more on it last night (literacy in general, not males vs
> females) and pretty much literacy did not take off world wide until after
> 1900. Here's another article with lots of graphs, stats, and pictures:
> https://goo.gl/hjGlNQ
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *The general thinking in American English speaking people is that we tend
> to think that any one that does not speak English is uneducated. In the
> Acores in the latter part of the 19th century there were an amount of
> people that could read and write. I was very surprised when I found the
> marriage record of my great grandparents and saw that my great grandmother
> had signed the record in the most beautiful handwriting. This was in 1884
> and she was 18 years old at the time. While she signed the marriage record
> my great grandfather did not.*
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *linda
> *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 12:19 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores female literacy in 1900?
>
>
>
>
> I believe it depended on the freguesia, the family, and the individual as
> to how much schooling an individual received in the late 19th century.  It
> may also be ture that for some individuals, signing their names was the
> major extent of their literacy.
>
> Anecdotal personal info: My maternal grandfather, born in 1904 in Santa
> Barbara, Terceira received some school as a child in the Azores, but though
> he was a very bright man, he didn't read easily.  He did not write, but he
> could sign his name.   My maternal grandmother was born (1909) in the US
> and received an 8th grade education as mandated by law (and presumably
> enforced by truant officers); I believe that she would have liked to have
> attended high school, but it wasn't considered acceptable by her parents
> for her to be in an unsupervised (in their cultural framework), mixed sex
> environment.  Her father/my maternal GGF, was born in 1874, Cedros, Flores,
> and could read and write Portuguese as could his brothers.   My maternal
> GGMother (born 1884 in Santa Cruz, Flores) could not read or write,
> because--according to the family story--she wasn't allowed to go to
> school.  However, her oldest sister, because she was the oldest girl, was
> allowed, could read, and enjoyed reading her bible.
>
> On my father's side, I have less literacy information, but his family was
> better off, and I have a marriage from 1866--if I recall correctly-- in
> which my 2xGGM signed the record in a beautiful hand.  I assume that she
> could read as well as sign her name.
>
> Documentary sources: somewhere in my files I have some mid to late 19th
> century accounts of the islands which mention literacy rates, and I think
> it may actually break it down by boys and girls.  If I remember rightly,
> the overall rates were quite low, but were not as wide between boys and
> girls as I expected.  I can dig the info up, if your interested in the
> stats and want me to check that.
>
> :)
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 2:09:46 PM UTC-8, Samantha B wrote:
>
> Culturally how common was it for women to be literate/educated at the turn
> of last century. I'm intrigued as it was the bride who signed the marriage
> record and not the groom.
>
>
>
> TIA
>
> Samantha
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores female literacy in 1900?

[Mary Bordi]

My great grandfather, born in 1853, could not read or write but he was
fantastic with numbers in his head. My great grandmother, born in 1870, was
literate. I don't know how much schooling she had before coming to the US
when she was 18. She was the youngest in a large family so that may have
made a difference.

Mary

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 2:10 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Not common.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Samantha B  wrote:
>
> Culturally how common was it for women to be literate/educated at the turn
> of last century. I'm intrigued as it was the bride who signed the marriage
> record and not the groom.
>
> TIA
> Samantha
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help confirming names in baptism text

[Mary Bordi]

I think it's Machado.

Mary

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 4:11 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Line 11: Yes, there is a 2nd abbreviation after Azevedo. Alvarado
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Victor Soares 
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I'm entering the time period where baptism records include abbreviations.
> Since I'm not practiced in identifying these, I'd like to confirm with the
> group.
>
> The baptism record is the top-left for Maria, filha de Joze Joaquim:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1839-1854/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1839-1854_item1/P398.html
>
> Where I'd like help:
>
>- Line 1: Joze Joaquim d'Azevedo?
>- Line 6: João Joze de Souza?
>- Line 6: Maria de Santo Antonio?
>- Line 11: Antonio d'Azevedo? 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder's new matching tool (on FTDNA)

[Mary Bordi]

I had the same sort of problem as Elaine.

The family tree is unusable with my iPad so I was using my desktop
computer. When I dragged, the person was left floating there, unattached to
anyone. I could figure out what to do with it.

I had other problems, too. I need to update my tree so I will probably
upload a new gedcom sometime soon.

(And since I installed an update of gmail I am having trouble figuring out
how to even reply right here in the group.. I didn't used to think I was
technology challenged.)

Mary

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> The purple band-aid?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW for those who tested Family Finder at FTDNA

[Mary Bordi]

My mom, who was half Azorean, a quarter Irish and a quarter Prussian:

12% Metal, 51% Farmer, 37% Hunter Gatherer and 0% Non European.

I am half of what she is combined with my father's Scots Irish, French and
who knows what so I came out:

10% Metal, 49% Farmer, 41% Hunter Gatherer and 0% Non European.

I thought that mixed with my father I might be far different. Interesting.

Mary














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(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes)
>
> I'll be brief as I am at Family Tree DNA's (FTDNA) administrator
> conference on my cell typing this.
>
> If you had the Family Finder test run, you have a new category called
> "Ancient Origins."
>
> You may have learned in history or anthropology that we came from hunter
> gatherers, farmers, etc. It's now available in your DNA. Log into your DNA
> page, look under your Family Finder section for the icon with the blue
> earth.
> Cheri Mello, FTDNA admin, volunteer
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's first name on Santo Antonio, Sao Roque Pico baptism

[Mary Bordi]

Thanks so much Cheri! I can see it clearly now.

Just for fun I went to the uminho site and found her and her twin sons and
other children. I have never had anyone from Pico to look for there before.

Mary

On Thursday, October 27, 2016, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Narcisa. The 2nd one says Narciza.
> Cheri Mello
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> Tainhas, Achada
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> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','busybo...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> This is a baptism from Santo Antonio, San Roque Pico...
>>
>> Can anyone tell me the first name of the mother of the twins? Manuel and
>> Jose are the babies being baptized. It looks like the second part of the
>> mother's name is Maria do Coraçao de Jesus. I can't tell what the name
>> before Maria is. It's the full record on the left hand page.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-
>> SANTOANTONIO-B-1815-1846/PIC-SR-SANTOANTONIO-B-1815-1846_item1/P78.html
>>
>> The grown up and married Jose and his wife are godparents to my
>> ggrandfather and his nine siblings on Sao Jorge, so I am trying to see if
>> there is perhaps a family connection.
>>
>> On Jose's marriage (in Rosais Sao Jorge) his mother's name looks the same
>> --still can't read the first part-- but instead of Maria for the second
>> part it looks like Hilaria. That record is here, left hand page:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-
>> ROSAIS-C-1826-1849/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-C-1826-1849_item1/P92.html
>>
>> My research is always Sao Jorge, not Pico, and I've never seen that name
>> there.
>>
>> Thanks if you can help. And maybe there's someone looking for Jose who
>> apparently moved to Rosais. :)
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Mother's first name on Santo Antonio, Sao Roque Pico baptism

[Mary Bordi]

This is a baptism from Santo Antonio, San Roque Pico...

Can anyone tell me the first name of the mother of the twins? Manuel and
Jose are the babies being baptized. It looks like the second part of the
mother's name is Maria do Coraçao de Jesus. I can't tell what the name
before Maria is. It's the full record on the left hand page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTOANTONIO-B-1815-1846/PIC-SR-SANTOANTONIO-B-1815-1846_item1/P78.html

The grown up and married Jose and his wife are godparents to my
ggrandfather and his nine siblings on Sao Jorge, so I am trying to see if
there is perhaps a family connection.

On Jose's marriage (in Rosais Sao Jorge) his mother's name looks the same
--still can't read the first part-- but instead of Maria for the second
part it looks like Hilaria. That record is here, left hand page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-C-1826-1849/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-C-1826-1849_item1/P92.html

My research is always Sao Jorge, not Pico, and I've never seen that name
there.

Thanks if you can help. And maybe there's someone looking for Jose who
apparently moved to Rosais. :)

Mary

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosais, Sao Jorge baptism margin note

[Mary Bordi]

I use this email for several lists I read. I use my "real" email as contact
for FTDNA.

My mom and I both tested with FTDNA and are in the Azores project. I use
mbordi at po box (no space) dot com for both accounts.

I did MTdna and we both did family finder. She is deceased but was really
interested in the DNA connections. I usually check her account more
frequently because she was half Azorean while I am merely one quarter.

I can send you more details privately if you can't find us. :)

Mary

On Saturday, October 15, 2016, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Mary,
>
> Don't see any DNA results for you with FTDNA. At least not with the email
> address that you use for the list. :(
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosais, Sao Jorge baptism margin note

[Mary Bordi]

Thanks Cheri and Phillipe!

I was amazed to find the more recent information. I'm sure glad someone
added it! I am trying to find the more recent descendants of my great great
grandparents to help when I find DNA matches. If I ever get back for a
visit someone might even remember them.

Mary

On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Mary,
>
>
> I think the obit of Manuel was on 1937, 3 April.
> The marriage was on 1923, 23 April.
> The the margin note was wrote on 1975, 5 April.
>
> Why 40 years between the obit and the margin note ? Perhaps a certificate
> was useful to a descendant in 1975.
>
> Best regards
>
> Philippe Garnier Paris - France
>
>
> Em Sábado, 15 de Outubro de 2016 18:23, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','busybo...@gmail.com');>> escreveu:
>
>
> I was wondering if anyone can help me with this margin note. I have never
> had such a long one for an ancestor!
>
> It's Manuel, #29 on the right hand page going over to the next page (which
> would be the next image).
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> VL-ROSAIS-B-1880-1889/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1880-1889_item1/P105.html
>
> This is my grandmother's first cousin (new to me). I think the top note
> was written after the part on the next page. It appears to be dated 1937
> but my eyes may be wrong. Is it about his death?
>
> On the next page I get the part about his marriage to Maria Amelia on (I
> think) 26 April 1923 but there seem to be other dates.
>
> I don't need a word for word translation. I'd just like to know if I'm
> missing something important.
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Rosais, Sao Jorge baptism margin note

[Mary Bordi]

I was wondering if anyone can help me with this margin note. I have never
had such a long one for an ancestor!

It's Manuel, #29 on the right hand page going over to the next page (which
would be the next image).

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1880-1889/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1880-1889_item1/P105.html

This is my grandmother's first cousin (new to me). I think the top note was
written after the part on the next page. It appears to be dated 1937 but my
eyes may be wrong. Is it about his death?

On the next page I get the part about his marriage to Maria Amelia on (I
think) 26 April 1923 but there seem to be other dates.

I don't need a word for word translation. I'd just like to know if I'm
missing something important.

Thanks for any help!

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ***UPEC ... early membership records now online***

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On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:28 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> If anyone is from Warm Springs, I would be glad to look but will not be
> home until the end of the month.
>
>
>
I might take you up on that! I have some sort of connection with the Peters
family from Warm Springs that I am trying to uncover. Maybe some of the
womenfolk were members of the SPRSI. I'll send you an email later in the
month (if I remember!)

I know I discussed Warm Springs with someone in the group years ago but I
was away from home and didn't pursue it when I got home.

Mary

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[AZORES-Genealogy] ***UPEC ... early membership records now online***

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On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores@googlegroups.com');>> wrote:

> So happy to hear these stories Mary!!
>

I have another one!

I found the husband of a first cousin twice removed listed in the Pescadero
records stating that he was from Topo, Sao Jorge. I found his baptism in
the archives and from that I know the names of his parents and
grandparents. Although he is not my blood relation, there are descendants
of his (and his wife who is my relation) with family trees on Ancestry.

I tried to contact them several years ago but did not get a reply. They
even linked to some family photos I uploaded without contacting me.

Oh well. I'm hoping this information will be useful to them anyway--if
Ancestry gives them the "hint".




Mary











>
> Susan
>
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> On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> More fun from these records! Someone I am researching has the middle
> initial "C". On his draft registration he used the not very Portuguese
> middle name of "Casey". Though he was born in California, both his parents
> are Portuguese. No Irish in his ancestry. :)
>
> His UPEC record lists his middle name as "Casaco" which makes a lot more
> sense. It also lists a wife's name and I did not know about that
> marriage and haven't found anything else about her yet.
>
> I'm sure there is more treasure to be unearthed.
>
> Mary
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2016, Kathy Cardoza <kmacard...@me.com> wrote:
>
>> For the last several years, Susan Vargas Murphy and I have been digitally
>> copying the UPEC membership records that have been filmed by the Family
>> History Library. In the past, I have offered to do lookups from the records
>> I have but that won’t be necessary any longer. I have put these records
>> into my Dropbox and the links are on this page as shareable files:
>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---
>> l/fraternal-societies/upec-records.html
>>
>> You do NOT have to have a Dropbox account in order to see these records.
>> You can view them or download them to your own Dropbox (if you have one) or
>> to your computer.
>>
>> Good luck and happy hunting!
>>
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>> ~~~
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ***UPEC ... early membership records now online***

[Mary Bordi]

More fun from these records! Someone I am researching has the middle
initial "C". On his draft registration he used the not very Portuguese
middle name of "Casey". Though he was born in California, both his parents
are Portuguese. No Irish in his ancestry. :)

His UPEC record lists his middle name as "Casaco" which makes a lot more
sense. It also lists a wife's name and I did not know about that
marriage and haven't found anything else about her yet.

I'm sure there is more treasure to be unearthed.

Mary

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> For the last several years, Susan Vargas Murphy and I have been digitally
> copying the UPEC membership records that have been filmed by the Family
> History Library. In the past, I have offered to do lookups from the records
> I have but that won’t be necessary any longer. I have put these records
> into my Dropbox and the links are on this page as shareable files:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---
> l/fraternal-societies/upec-records.html
>
> You do NOT have to have a Dropbox account in order to see these records.
> You can view them or download them to your own Dropbox (if you have one) or
> to your computer.
>
> Good luck and happy hunting!
>
> Kathy Cardoza
> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ***UPEC ... early membership records now online***

[Mary Bordi]

Thank you so much! I am interested in the history of my particular area as
well as my genealogy. There are so many familiar names from Pescadero and
Half Moon Bay.

It's interesting that some bookkeepers only wrote Açores, some just the
island and some the village. My great grandfather was one with just
"Açores" but no matter--I know where he was from. On the other hand the
husband of my grandmother's cousin is listed by village and
island--something I did not know!

And there are quite a few non Portuguese listed, too. And I'm not done
looking, either!

Vey very interesting!

Mary



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> For the last several years, Susan Vargas Murphy and I have been digitally
> copying the UPEC membership records that have been filmed by the Family
> History Library. In the past, I have offered to do lookups from the records
> I have but that won’t be necessary any longer. I have put these records
> into my Dropbox and the links are on this page as shareable files:
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> You can view them or download them to your own Dropbox (if you have one) or
> to your computer.
>
> Good luck and happy hunting!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Exorcism

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The rite of baptism includes and exorcism. But I have not seen it
specifically noted in the records!

Mary

On Thursday, September 29, 2016, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> If a woman was molested and became pregnant, would the priest perform an
> Exorcism during Baptism?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SECEIRO from Azores?

[Mary Bordi]

Could this be a misspelling of Sequeira? Mine were listed as Secare on one
census.

They were from Sao Jorge.

Mary

On Monday, August 29, 2016, Marjorie Dutra  wrote:

> On my great great grandmothers death certificate, her parents are listed
> as Joao SECEIRO and Izabel JOSEPHA. Both from Azores Islands.  However, I
> can't find that last name anywhere! Has anybody ever seen it before?  My
> grandmother Marianna DUTRA, also used as a last name,  VIENCIA, SILVA,
> DASILVEIRA.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Machado Homen (Homem)

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On Tuesday, July 12, 2016, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
> I found a Manuel Machado Homen(m) born in 1898, in Norte Pegueno, St
> Jorge, Azores, Portugal.  I don't know if these records are on tombo.pt
> but you might give this a try.  I believe you list him as being born in
> January 1898.
>
>

I was looking in Norte Pequeno and found a José born January 27 in 1898. I
wonder if he changed his first name?

Record starts at bottom of left hand page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1890-1899/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1890-1899_item1/P64.html

I research Norte Grande and the name could have been from there but wasn't,
so I looked in Norte Pequeno.

Mary











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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new trees (Gedcom viewer)

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Thanks for the alert! I found the previous trees next to impossible to
navigate on my iPad. At first glance the new tree seems to be much easier
to view!

Mary
Norte Grande and Rosais Sao Jorge

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)
>
> Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has apparently rolled out their new Gedcom viewer.
> I knew they were working on a new display for the Gedcoms. Nothing was said
> about when it would take place. Well it's here now. I guess we all get to
> play around with it.
>
> I don't know if they put in marriage dates or take into account about that
> "middle" name field that doesn't work for us (and other cultures as well).
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beautiful Reunion Story

[Mary Bordi]

I am not fluent in Portuguese but My first thought was the word "saudades"
also!

What a beautiful story!

Mary

On Thursday, February 25, 2016, George Medeiros 
wrote:

> Laura,
>   Thank you. This is a moving story and your efforts to help another
> person is a blessing .
> I think there is a Portuguese word to express this desire " Saudade
> "which I am told is hard to translate but has the meaning of the feeling of
> longing for something or someone who you love and which is lost. The
> longing one has for a loved one, family, home and country. We have our
> Portuguese music which expresses this longing "Fado"  George Medeiros
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 24, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Laura Flanagan  > wrote:
>
> I wanted to take a moment and share with all of you, my Portuguese
> genealogy family, a heartwarming beautiful story that I was blessed to be
> involved in over the past few days.  As many of you know, I am adopted, and
> I have been searching for my biological father for many years now.  5 years
> ago, my husband bought me the Ancestry dna test.  I then tested with FTDna
> and with 23andme, hoping to find dna cousins who would share their lineage
> with me.  I learned to read Portuguese, and began researching on the
> Azorean gov't website to build a large tree with all the genealogy of my
> Portuguese cousins, looking for common ancestors between them.  I have
> created a Master DNA tree which now contains over 10,000 people, and I have
> indeed found common ancestors.  I am waiting the results of a dna test for
> a woman I believe is my aunt or 2nd cousin.  Expected date of discovery:
> March 21st!  Along this journey, I have been richly blessed me with so many
> new friends and Portuguese cousins.  I have learned much about my
> ancestors, the Island of Sao Miguel, from which they came, and the
> struggles my ancestors endured, making my life possible.
>
> About 3 years ago, I was working off a list of all of the men who bore my
> biological father's name, Robert Moniz, and lived in the Fall River area at
> the time of my birth.  One man in particular had a son, Cory, that I
> located on Facebook.  I messaged him there, with my story, and he agreed to
> take the Ancestry DNA test for me.  As it turns out, we are only 5th to 8th
> cousins.  Not close enough to provide any clues, but I added his family
> lines to my DNA Cousin Tree anyhow, thinking sometime in the future, it may
> be helpful.  I also added his mother's lines, even though she was French
> Canadian.  That was about 2 years ago.  My search continues and I have not
> really looked at this family in quite some time.
>
> Saturday morning I received a benign message from a 70 year old woman on
> Ancestry.  Her husband had purchased the test kit for her as a Christmas
> gift.  She had received her results and was showing a 3rd to 4th cousin
> match to Cory and was reaching out to me because I am the administrator of
> his dna profile.  She was given up for adoption in 1945 in NY, and has been
> searching for her biological family for 50 years.  Her husband had bought
> her the Ancestry DNA test kit for Christmas.  She  wondered if I had some
> small piece of information that could help her learn something about her
> family.   Due to her age, she suspected her parents would have passed away
> by now.  The only thing she knew about her birth parents is that she had
> been told her mom was 17 when she was born, and she believed her father may
> have been a married man. I responded and explained that the test she was
> matching did not belong to me, but if she would share her dna results with
> me, I would take a look, as I did have quite a bit of information on Cory's
> family.
>
> Then the whirlwind began.  It was readily apparent to me that this adoptee
> was related to Cory through his mother.  I could see this due to the common
> matches they shared.  I started to identify common ancestors between her
> dna matches.  And I just couldn't stop.  I traced the lines down and then
> found yet another common ancestor between unrelated 3rd cousins, and again
> started to trace that line down and bang I found a marriage between the
> two lines 5 dna cousins connecting to the wife and 6 unrelated dna
> cousins connecting to the husband.  I had identified this adoptees
> grandparents!  I nearly fell off my chair.  This couple had 14
> children.. which one was her parent?  Upon closer examination it was
> clear it could only be one of two girls.  I went onto Facebook and found
> the children of these two woman and sent them a message with this adoption
> story. Yesterday, one of the children called me letting me know that the
> woman we are looking for is indeed her aunt, a daughter of the grandparents
> I had identified.  She is 90 years, alive and well, and had been searching
> for the past 50 years for her daughter.  She 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Confirmations

[Mary Bordi]

On Saturday, February 13, 2016, George Medeiros 
wrote:

Does anyone know if the Bishops lived in the Azores during this period or
> were they coming from Portugal ?
>
>
I am only researching Sao Jorge. The documents often refer to the Diocese
of Angra. There would be a bishop there unless it was a time between
appointments.

I'm not sure if there was only the one diocese in the Azores--as I said,
I've only looked at the Sao Jorge documents.

I'm sure someone else will be able to quote a genuine source for you, but
that's my take on it. :)

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas Sao Jorge baptism translation

[Mary Bordi]

I think the date is 2 March 1837 ("mil oito centos trinta e sette")

Really hard to read handwriting. Sorry I don't have time right now for more!

Mary

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> Yikes!  I don't know how you all can read these records.  I am starting to
> look for my gggrandfather born about 1838.  I think the record on the lower
> left for Jose is a sibling but want to make sure I am on the right track.
> I think it says "Jose son of Manuel Silveira de Souca, son of Manuel
> Silveira de Souca and Mariana de Jesus, deceased, and his wife Anna Luiza
> daughter of Antonio Jose Lucas and Marianna Luiza, natural of Velas ilha S.
> Jorge" then born 2 March 1877.  Am I close??? Does it list a baptism date?
> I am really struggling to read this.  Thank you in advance for the help I
> know I will get.
>
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1833-1845/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1833-1845_item1/P95.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Meaning of "canada"

[Mary Bordi]

>From the Spanish settlers of San Mateo County California we get the name
of Cañada Road which gives its name to a community college--Cañada College.

As it's locally spelled with the Ñ and pronounced that way, newcomers
sometimes mistakenly pronounce it as we pronounce the name of the country
Canada. :)

For what it's worth...

Mary

On Wednesday, November 18, 2015, Steve  wrote:

> Thanks for that explanation, Tomas.
>
> In one case, the surname Canada apparently derives from canyon (similar to
> ravine).
>
> A line with the Bartolomeu surname changed it to Canada during their
> immigration process to California. As one descendent wrote, “because the
> father owned land in a canyon (cañada) in the Azores,” referring to Santa
> Cruz das Flores.
>
> Although cañada is defined as glade/dell or gully/ravine in Spanish, this
> topographical feature somehow also became a geographic place name in
> Portugal and France. This is discussed in:
>
> Marshall, A Elliot. 1888. Origin of the Name ‘Canada.’ Pp. 164-173 in A.
> Marshall Elliot, ed. Modern Language Notes, Vol. III. Baltimore, MD.
>
> Marshall describes the use of canada for path in Portuguese, but discusses
> the second sense of the Latin word root, relating it to Spanish and
> Portuguese.
>
> Regarding topographical features and place names, Marshall concludes:
>
> “Again: the extensive use in Spain, as opposed to Portugal, of the word
> *canada* or *cañada* as a geographical designation, would argue in favor
> of the probable origin of the name on Spanish soil…”
>
> and he notes, in addition:
>
> “But not alone in Spain do we find the word *Canada* widely used for
> marking topographical sites. On the map of France, we note seven places of
> this name scattered throughout as many different Départements, in all of
> which the same general characteristics exist that we have seen in the
> Spanish names…”
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1757 Rosario baptism child of Manoel de Couto Pimentel and Maria de Mello

[Mary Bordi]

But the priest writes foi baptizado instead of foram baptizados...



On Sunday, July 26, 2015, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 Looks like twins, Joao and Pedro to me.

 Another pair eyes needed to confirm though.  I don't see the usual
 genomes indicating twins but the Priest just may not have written it that
 way for some reason.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Link to public records in the Azores

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Depending on the time frame, you may not see the last names you have for
your grandmother and great grandmother. Women were known by their religious
names: Maria de Jesus, Ana do Coraçao de Jesus...

There was an Isidoro family on the California coast at San Gregorio
1900-1910. Some moved to the Santa Clara Valley. I can't recall
seeing Isidoro as a last in the CCA records online but I have seen it as a
first name.

Mary Bordi

On Monday, May 25, 2015, e...@phonewave.net wrote:

 Could someone please send me a link public records in the Azores that
 would cover the period prior to 1890? I already have  link for baptismal
 and marriage records from the Catholic Churches but I've had no luck
 finding my great grandfather's baptismal record. Likewise I can't find my
 great grandmother's baptismal record. I also cannot find a record of their
 marriage. I have looked at records for several years either side of the
 date I've been give for each of their births but I find nothing. My great
 grandfather's name was Manuel Isidoro Betencourt and my great grandmother's
 name was Josephine Pimentel. I've been told that my great grandfather's
 parents were Jose Isidoro and Anna Betencourt. A document that my great
 grandmother Josephine signed to verify my grandfather's birth in the United
 States (he was not born in a hospital so he had no birthcertificate to get
 a social security card in the 1930's or 1940's) said my great grandfather
 came from Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge and that she also was from Sao Jorge. I
 see no Pimentels in any baptism, marriage, death records for Sao Jorge and
 I don't see any baptismal records that show a Manuel be baptized with
 parents by the name of Isidoro and Betencourt. In fact I don't see any
 Isidoro's any church records anywhere on the island. Are there any other
 records that will help put together my genealogical history of my family. I
 do know that a relative (cousin or brother) of my great grandfather came
 with him to California because my second cousins who stayed in the area say
 they were told that a family by the name of Isadoro (another spelling of
 Isidoro) were their cousins. I've looked them up on Ancestry and was able
 to find some of the family members but they also have no records going back
 to before they emigrated to California. Are there any other records to look
 at in the Azores? Thanks.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] First degree of consanguinity--two records Sao Jorge

[Mary Bordi]

I ran across two records from 1909 Norte Grande, Sao Jorge that mention
dispensations for first degree (primeira grau) consanguinity! As far as I
know they are not in my line--I just thought they were interesting. I'm not
looking for a translation but feel free to discuss if you are interested.
(I hope my spelling is somewhere near correct...)

Two records state the couple terem sido dispensados do primeiro grau mixto
de segundo de consanguinidade colateral desigual.

Record #1 on the left hand page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1900-1911/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1900-1911_item1/P82.html

Record #6 on the right hand page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1900-1911/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1900-1911_item1/P86.html
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Another interesting nearby record is the marriage of the brother of the
groom in record #1 to another cousin dispensados do segundo grau
attingente a primeira de consanguinidade em linha collateral desigual.

Record #9 on the left hand page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1900-1911/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1900-1911_item1/P89.html
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As I said, I'm just posting as a matter of interest. I did not know that
first degree was allowed.

Also among the records is the marriage of a Joao de Mello Pires from Porto
Judeu, Terceira, in case anyone is looking for him! Record starts bottom
right:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1900-1911/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1900-1911_item1/P90.html

When I see the record of a marriage or a death of someone from another
island I always wonder if someone is looking for them!

Mary

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