subject:"\[AZORES\-Genealogy\]"

It's the French that gets misread. There was some French influence on Sao
Miguel and my mom has some French as well.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:45 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Plus you can’t be 33% of your dad is only 12% Iberian, lol.   Your chart
> is crazy.
>
> Is the French possibly because of the Flemish?   Jesse had previously been
> tagged as more French.
>
> All 4 of his own grandparents immigrated to Hawaii from either São Miguel
> or Madeira, yet he is about 15-20% other.   He has shown to be 3-5%
> Ashkenazi on several estimates with Ancestry and FTDNA.
>
> ITS FASCINATING!
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 5:13 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Ancestry uses trees for the "spot on" analysis. Imagine the poor person
>> who has a poorly researched tree and everyone copies without verification?
>> And they are on the wrong island(s)? People move around, so pinpointing a
>> location is going to be close to impossible with DNA.
>>
>> My dad is 50% Azorean (his paternal grandparents came from there).
>> Therefore, I am 25%. My mother has no Portuguese in her whatsoever. She has
>> long lines in the U.S. and based on the surnames, she's heavy English,
>> Irish, and Scot.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> My dad does get readings from Africa, probably due to the Moors and all
>> that history. His French may be misread stuff from the Roman Empire, such
>> as the Franks.
>>
>> I find FTDNA's 33% Iberian really funny because I'm only 25%. Oh well,
>> we'll see what the next update holds.
>>
>> In the meantime, I'm going to work my matches and figure out connections
>> that I didn't have before. That's where the whole meat of this is at right
>> now.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:20 PM 'Lisa' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The most recent update on AncestryDNA was spot on (finally) including
>>> correctly identifying my islands:  43% Portuguese—>Azores—>Pico & Sao Jorge.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:47 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>>>
>>> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to
>>> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his
>>> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research
>>> to the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says
>>> mostly FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go
>>> figure.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>> Rob W,
>>>
>>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA
>>> page on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>>>
>>> Here are the join instructions:
>>>
>>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>>>
>>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at
>>> Projects. When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>>>
>>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
>>> to the JOIN button at the end.
>>>
>>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
>>> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>>>
>>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>>>
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>>>
>>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise,
>>> it's just some wild guesses.
>>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA
>>> Project
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>>>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to
>>>> use the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but t

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

2019-11-26 Thread JesseAndDeborah Mendonca

Plus you can’t be 33% of your dad is only 12% Iberian, lol.   Your chart is
crazy.

Is the French possibly because of the Flemish?   Jesse had previously been
tagged as more French.

All 4 of his own grandparents immigrated to Hawaii from either São Miguel
or Madeira, yet he is about 15-20% other.   He has shown to be 3-5%
Ashkenazi on several estimates with Ancestry and FTDNA.

ITS FASCINATING!

Debbie



On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 5:13 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Ancestry uses trees for the "spot on" analysis. Imagine the poor person
> who has a poorly researched tree and everyone copies without verification?
> And they are on the wrong island(s)? People move around, so pinpointing a
> location is going to be close to impossible with DNA.
>
> My dad is 50% Azorean (his paternal grandparents came from there).
> Therefore, I am 25%. My mother has no Portuguese in her whatsoever. She has
> long lines in the U.S. and based on the surnames, she's heavy English,
> Irish, and Scot.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> My dad does get readings from Africa, probably due to the Moors and all
> that history. His French may be misread stuff from the Roman Empire, such
> as the Franks.
>
> I find FTDNA's 33% Iberian really funny because I'm only 25%. Oh well,
> we'll see what the next update holds.
>
> In the meantime, I'm going to work my matches and figure out connections
> that I didn't have before. That's where the whole meat of this is at right
> now.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:20 PM 'Lisa' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The most recent update on AncestryDNA was spot on (finally) including
>> correctly identifying my islands:  43% Portuguese—>Azores—>Pico & Sao Jorge.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:47 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>>
>> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to
>> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his
>> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research
>> to the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says
>> mostly FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go
>> figure.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Rob W,
>>
>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA
>> page on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>>
>> Here are the join instructions:
>>
>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>>
>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at
>> Projects. When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>>
>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
>> to the JOIN button at the end.
>>
>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
>> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>>
>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>>
>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise,
>> it's just some wild guesses.
>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use
>>> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously
>>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which
>>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du
>>> Coyte or something similar
>>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought
>>> in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in
>>> Australia before that war began.
>>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when
>>> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke
&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

2019-11-26 Thread Anthony Silver

Hey Pam ..

yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him for not.
im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
azores, somewhere
how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just his
life in azores.
thankyou

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand  wrote:

> Hi Anthony
> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney NSW
> on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked from St
> Johns New Brunswick Canada.
> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
> descendants lived?
> Hope this helps
> Pam
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
>> South Australia ???
>>
>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>>
>> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>>
>>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>>
>>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>>
>>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>>> online ???
>>>
>>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

2019-11-26 Thread Pamela Hand

Hi Anthony
There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney NSW
on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked from St
Johns New Brunswick Canada.
Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
descendants lived?
Hope this helps
Pam

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> South Australia ???
>
> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>
> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>
>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>
>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>
>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>> online ???
>>
>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

2019-11-26 Thread Anthony Silver

South Australia ??? 

ha ha ha .. not that I know of .. 

but hey, anything is possible in this regard .. 


On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>
> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 
>
> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
> online ??? 
>
> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

2019-11-26 Thread Tammy Jesso

I might be able to help as all my research has been Lomba do Maia. Please email 
me directly if you would like my assistant with your research.

Tammy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2019, at 4:28 PM, JR  wrote:
> 
> 
> Can't help you with photos. But I may be able to help unblock where you are 
> stuck in your line. 
> 
> You wrote "I have been researching my surname and have found through records 
> 4 generations of Manuel Lourenco Bonito, my grandfather's, stuck at early 
> 1800s into 1700s." 
> 
> Do you have a date and time for the earliest generation? From what I have, 
> about ten offshoot lines, they all seem to lead back to Manoel Lourenco 
> Bonito and Maria Isabel. They married circa 1832, but there is not an exact 
> match for them in Lomba da Maia or Maia. So I suspect a name change or 
> variance of some kind.
> 
> JR
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 1:58:01 PM UTC-5, Ana Bonito wrote:
>> Hi JR 
>> 
>> Have confirmation on them all, just hoping to find more info and or photos
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>> Rob W,
>>>
>>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA
>>> page on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>>>
>>> Here are the join instructions:
>>>
>>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>>>
>>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at
>>> Projects. When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>>>
>>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
>>> to the JOIN button at the end.
>>>
>>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
>>> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>>>
>>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>>>
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>>>
>>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise,
>>> it's just some wild guesses.
>>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA
>>> Project
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>>>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to
>>>> use the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are
>>>> notoriously unreliable and misspellings abound.
>>>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which
>>>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du
>>>> Coyte or something similar
>>>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father
>>>> fought in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was
>>>> already in Australia before that war began.
>>>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been
>>>> old enough.
>>>>
>>>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name
>>>> when you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and
>>>> spoke very poor English.
>>>>
>>>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My
>>>> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>>>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did
>>>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>>>>
>>>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of
>>>> them have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know
>>>> how common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>>>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a
>>>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>>>>
>>>> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to
>>>> assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>>>>
>>>> I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to
>>>> nothing to go on!!!
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

Ancestry uses trees for the "spot on" analysis. Imagine the poor person who
has a poorly researched tree and everyone copies without verification? And
they are on the wrong island(s)? People move around, so pinpointing a
location is going to be close to impossible with DNA.

My dad is 50% Azorean (his paternal grandparents came from there).
Therefore, I am 25%. My mother has no Portuguese in her whatsoever. She has
long lines in the U.S. and based on the surnames, she's heavy English,
Irish, and Scot.

[image: image.png]

My dad does get readings from Africa, probably due to the Moors and all
that history. His French may be misread stuff from the Roman Empire, such
as the Franks.

I find FTDNA's 33% Iberian really funny because I'm only 25%. Oh well,
we'll see what the next update holds.

In the meantime, I'm going to work my matches and figure out connections
that I didn't have before. That's where the whole meat of this is at right
now.


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:20 PM 'Lisa' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The most recent update on AncestryDNA was spot on (finally) including
> correctly identifying my islands:  43% Portuguese—>Azores—>Pico & Sao Jorge.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:47 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>
> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to
> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his
> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research
> to the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says
> mostly FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go
> figure.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Rob W,
>
> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA page
> on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>
> Here are the join instructions:
>
> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>
> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects.
> When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>
> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
> to the JOIN button at the end.
>
> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>
> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>
>
> ==
>
> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>
> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise,
> it's just some wild guesses.
> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use
>> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously
>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which
>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du
>> Coyte or something similar
>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought
>> in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in
>> Australia before that war began.
>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old
>> enough.
>>
>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when
>> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke
>> very poor English.
>>
>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My
>> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did
>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>>
>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them
>> have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know how
>> common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a
>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>>
>> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to
>> assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>>
>> I'm just looking

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

2019-11-26 Thread JesseAndDeborah Mendonca

===
>>
>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>>
>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise,
>> it's just some wild guesses.
>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use
>>> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously
>>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which
>>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du
>>> Coyte or something similar
>>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought
>>> in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in
>>> Australia before that war began.
>>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when
>>> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke
>>> very poor English.
>>>
>>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My
>>> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did
>>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>>>
>>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of
>>> them have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know
>>> how common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a
>>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>>>
>>> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to
>>> assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>>>
>>> I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to
>>> nothing to go on!!!
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

2019-11-26 Thread 'Lisa' via Azores Genealogy

The most recent update on AncestryDNA was spot on (finally) including correctly 
identifying my islands:  43% Portuguese—>Azores—>Pico & Sao Jorge.

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> On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:47 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> 
> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to 
> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his 
> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research to 
> the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says mostly 
> FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go figure.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>> Rob W,
>> 
>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA page 
>> on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>> 
>> Here are the join instructions:  
>> 
>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>> 
>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects. 
>> When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>> 
>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to 
>> the JOIN button at the end.
>> 
>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says "Search 
>> by Surname" and type: azores.
>> 
>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions. 
>> 
>> ==
>> 
>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>> 
>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise, it's 
>> just some wild guesses.   
>> 
>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use 
>>> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously 
>>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which 
>>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du 
>>> Coyte or something similar 
>>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought in 
>>> the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in 
>>> Australia before that war began.
>>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old 
>>> enough.
>>> 
>>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when 
>>> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke 
>>> very poor English.
>>> 
>>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My 
>>> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did 
>>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>>> 
>>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them 
>>> have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know how 
>>> common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a 
>>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>>> 
>>> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to 
>>> assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>>> 
>>> I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to 
>>> nothing to go on!!!
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

mething similar
>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought
>> in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in
>> Australia before that war began.
>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old
>> enough.
>>
>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when
>> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke
>> very poor English.
>>
>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My
>> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did
>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>>
>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them
>> have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know how
>> common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a
>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>>
>> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to
>> assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>>
>> I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to
>> nothing to go on!!!
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

2019-11-26 Thread E. Sharp

The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to 
understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his 
sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research to 
the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says mostly 
FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go figure.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Rob W,
> 
> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA page on 
> FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
> 
> Here are the join instructions:  
> 
> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
> 
> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects. 
> When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
> 
> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to 
> the JOIN button at the end.
> 
> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says "Search 
> by Surname" and type: azores.
> 
> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions. 
> 
> ==
> 
> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
> 
> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise, it's 
> just some wild guesses.   
> 
> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use the 
>> official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously 
>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which 
>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du 
>> Coyte or something similar 
>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought in 
>> the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in 
>> Australia before that war began.
>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old 
>> enough.
>> 
>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when you 
>> don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke very 
>> poor English.
>> 
>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My Heritage" 
>> FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did 
>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>> 
>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them 
>> have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know how 
>> common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a 
>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>> 
>> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to assume 
>> that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>> 
>> I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to 
>> nothing to go on!!!
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

2019-11-26 Thread JR

Can't help you with photos. But I may be able to help unblock where you are 
stuck in your line. 

You wrote "I have been researching my surname and have found through 
records 4 generations of Manuel Lourenco Bonito, my grandfather's, stuck at 
early 1800s into 1700s." 

Do you have a date and time for the earliest generation? From what I have, 
about ten offshoot lines, they all seem to lead back to Manoel Lourenco 
Bonito and Maria Isabel. They married circa 1832, but there is not an exact 
match for them in Lomba da Maia or Maia. So I suspect a name change or 
variance of some kind.

JR

On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 1:58:01 PM UTC-5, Ana Bonito wrote:
>
> Hi JR 
>
> Have confirmation on them all, just hoping to find more info and or photos

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

Rob W,

There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA page
on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.

Here are the join instructions:

Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.

Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects.
When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."

If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to
the JOIN button at the end.

If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
"Search by Surname" and type: azores.

When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.

==

My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."

After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise, it's
just some wild guesses.
Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Hi
>
> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use
> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously
> unreliable and misspellings abound.
> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which
> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du
> Coyte or something similar
> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought
> in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in
> Australia before that war began.
> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old
> enough.
>
> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when
> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke
> very poor English.
>
> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My
> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did
> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>
> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them
> have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know how
> common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a
> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>
> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to
> assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>
> I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to
> nothing to go on!!!
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

2019-11-26 Thread Ana Bonito

Hi JR

Have confirmation on them all, just hoping to find more info and or photos

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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

2019-11-26 Thread Rob Whaite

One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived" to use
the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously
unreliable and misspellings abound.
He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which
unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du
Coyte or something similar
When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought in
the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in
Australia before that war began.
He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old
enough.

He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when
you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke
very poor English.

I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My
Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did
originally, however "My Heritage" does!!

I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them
have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations. I don't know how
common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a
brother that went to South America,Brazil??

I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to
assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?

I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to
nothing to go on!!!

Rob

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

>From what I can tell, so far, there may be a name mix-up or change in this 
line of Lomba da Maia and that may account for why you are stuck.

JR

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 10:58:19 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> These look similar to the Lomba da Maia Sousa Bonito's, yet they do not 
> match. Do you have any dates or time lines?
>
> Is this the same Manuel de sousa Bonito cc Maria Isabel, Ponta Garca, Aug 
> 19- 1819; Their descendants used Bonito in Lomba da Maia.
>
> JR
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Ana Bonito wrote:
>>
>> Hi JR 
>> Grandfather's 
>> Manuel lourenco bonito married to Rosa Albina (Rosa Cordeiro Vigario 
>> Manuel lourenco bonito married to Jacinta Rosa do Monte 
>> Manuel lourenco bonito married to Maria Isabel do Rego 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

These look similar to the Lomba da Maia Sousa Bonito's, yet they do not 
match. Do you have any dates or time lines?

Is this the same Manuel de sousa Bonito cc Maria Isabel, Ponta Garca, Aug 
19- 1819; Their descendants used Bonito in Lomba da Maia.

JR

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Ana Bonito wrote:
>
> Hi JR 
> Grandfather's 
> Manuel lourenco bonito married to Rosa Albina (Rosa Cordeiro Vigario 
> Manuel lourenco bonito married to Jacinta Rosa do Monte 
> Manuel lourenco bonito married to Maria Isabel do Rego 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA's (American) Thanksgiving Sale (through Nov. 28)

2019-11-25 Thread Elaine Mello

Ah, that explains it.  I assumed that I got the email because I had done 
the FamilyFinder, which I guess isn't eligible.  

At least it makes sense now!

Elaine 

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>
> If one has never tested any part of their mtDNA, the sale price is $139.
>
> If one has tested mtDNA Basic or mtDNA Plus, the UPGRADE sale price is $99.
>
> All prices in U.S. Dollars.
>
> Hope this clarifies.  Cheri
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>> Thanks for that clarification, Cheri.  Eitehr way, it sounds like it 
>> would be worth doing for the money.   I'll wait and see if it shows up on 
>> upgrades, or whether I'd need to do the other offer 
>>
>> Elaine 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 11:33:04 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been getting the message that FTDNA is down for maintenance. The 
>>> $99 was a new deal, perhaps? When I find out, I will post here.
>>>
>>> The mtDNA is different than the Family Finder test. The mtDNA traces 
>>> your mother's mother's mother's line - all women all the way back. 
>>> Mitochondria mutate very, very slowly. Once the mtDNA database reaches 
>>> critical mass, about half of the matches will be within a genealogical time 
>>> frame (or so is the current thinking). So you can test, get your 
>>> haplogroup, the cute little video, and then play wait and see.
>>>
>>> FamilyFinder covers ALL lines, back about 200 years from the birth of 
>>> the testee. Most people now get lots of matches that they are able to work.
>>>
>>> Sometimes you can play the mtDNA and the Family Finder off of each other.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>>> Cheri Mello
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>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:26 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I got two emails from FTDNA - one was for an mtFull upgrade for $99, 
>>>> but that doesn't show up on their page when I click the link - it does 
>>>> show 
>>>> up for the $139 you mention, Cheri.  
>>>>
>>>> I assume the first email was a mistake, since I can't find that price 
>>>> anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Is it worth upgrading, and will it give any more information than the 
>>>> FamilyFinder already has?
>>>>
>>>> Elaine 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

2019-11-25 Thread Ana Bonito

Hi JR
Grandfather's 
Manuel lourenco bonito married to Rosa Albina (Rosa Cordeiro Vigario
Manuel lourenco bonito married to Jacinta Rosa do Monte 
Manuel lourenco bonito married to Maria Isabel do Rego 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

2019-11-25 Thread Ana Bonito

Hi Nancy 

No Couto's that I can see.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

2019-11-25 Thread Rob Whaite

Hi Anthony.Did he come to South Australia? If so I may be able to help you. 
Regards Rob

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

2019-11-25 Thread E. Sharp

Are you talking about mainland Portugal?  You can try contacting Torre do Tombo 
in Lisbon. Also website familysearch.org has some records online. Also google 
Portugal genealogy to see if there are genealogist in one of those sites to 
help you but be prepared to pay for these services. I have been to Torre do 
Tombo and I believe most, if not all, their records are located there.  They 
also charge  a fee.  Depending on what you are looking for, I would hire 
someone over there to
do the research for you.  That’s what I ended up doing years ago as I do not 
read or speak the language. 

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> 
> is there some sort of genealogy organization in Portugal that I can contact. 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

No. You have to figure out which island and freguesia your ancestor came
from. It takes a bit of time and effort. Researching an immigrant ancestor
is not easy.
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:48 PM Anthony Silver 
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> is there some sort of genealogy organization in Portugal that I can
> contact ?
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 11:13:23 AM UTC+11, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Basically, you take the Family Finder test and I look at your Matches. I
>> can tell you if they are researching Sao Miguel island, Flores island, etc.
>> And if you are real lucky, you may find a 2nd cousin who has a tree with
>> your freguesia (village).
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:11 PM Anthony Silver 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> and what are the clusters ???
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>>>
>>>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>>>
>>>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>>>> online ???
>>>>
>>>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

is there some sort of genealogy organization in Portugal that I can contact 
? 

On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 11:13:23 AM UTC+11, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Basically, you take the Family Finder test and I look at your Matches. I 
> can tell you if they are researching Sao Miguel island, Flores island, etc. 
> And if you are real lucky, you may find a 2nd cousin who has a tree with 
> your freguesia (village).
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:11 PM Anthony Silver  > wrote:
>
>> and what are the clusters ??? 
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>>
>>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 
>>>
>>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>>
>>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
>>> online ??? 
>>>
>>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 
>>>
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Basically, you take the Family Finder test and I look at your Matches. I
can tell you if they are researching Sao Miguel island, Flores island, etc.
And if you are real lucky, you may find a 2nd cousin who has a tree with
your freguesia (village).
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:11 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> and what are the clusters ???
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>
>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>
>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>
>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>> online ???
>>
>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

and what are the clusters ??? 

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>
> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 
>
> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
> online ??? 
>
> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has allowed for volunteer group administrators to
oversee projects. One was created for the Azores and I over see it. We have
2200-2300 members. Because we pool our DNA in a project it allows for us
admins to observe patterns and clusters. Once we get the clusters going, we
will be able to get a better idea of how long our DNA was in a location and
help identify those with no idea where they came from (such as yourself).
For those with fragmented DNA, we may be able to help them focus their
research - they will have an idea of where to look. Also, there are tools
for those in group projects. You can toggle on or off the comparing with
others in the project vs. the whole FTDNA database. Also, as our endogamy
starts to take shape, we will be able to get a better handle on that as
well.
Hope that helps,
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 3:56 PM Anthony Silver 
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> so whats the DNA project ?
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>
>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>
>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>
>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>> online ???
>>
>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

so whats the DNA project ?

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>
> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 
>
> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
> online ??? 
>
> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

The 1850s emigration out of the Azores had no photos or portraits. You have
a name and a general date. You need a place. Unless another Australian has
an idea, you'll have to turn to DNA and see where your matches are
researching. The Azores DNA Project on Family Tree DNA is clustering up
nicely now :)
Cheri Mello
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On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 3:33 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> I do have one picture of him, which is a portrait.
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>
>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>
>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>
>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>> online ???
>>
>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>
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I do have one picture of him, which is a portrait.

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>
> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 
>
> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
> online ??? 
>
> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

Hi Anthony,

I did not see a Jose Silva or Silveira on the Water Lily that went to
Australia in 1853 (I think).

You'll have to use Australian sources to track him there, see if he
naturalized, if his obituary said anything, etc. I'm sure those in
Australia who have traced their Azorean ancestor may be able to help.

You can use DNA in conjunction with the paper trail too. We've got over
2200-2300 people in the Azores DNA Project on Family Tree DNA. They are
most likely going to have another sale beginning on Friday to kick off the
holiday season. I'll post that announcement to the list on Friday. You'll
want to test the oldest family member on that side. So if you have a parent
or aunt/uncle, test them first. If there is no one living except you, then
test yourself.

I'll keep the list posted,
Cheri Mello
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On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 3:03 PM Anthony Silver 
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> well, the name of my grandfather, 5 or 6 generations ago, is Joseph
> Silver, born somewhere in the azores, around 1836.
> he that's about all I know.
> he took a ship, and came to Australia, from 1850 something.
> the info I have is quite limited.
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>
>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>
>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>
>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>> online ???
>>
>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>
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well, the name of my grandfather, 5 or 6 generations ago, is Joseph Silver, 
born somewhere in the azores, around 1836.
he that's about all I know. 
he took a ship, and came to Australia, from 1850 something. 
the info I have is quite limited. 

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
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> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 
>
> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
> online ??? 
>
> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

2019-11-25 Thread Joe Matias

I have helped a few people with the Bonito name.


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 12:51 PM JR  wrote:

> No Couto Bonito's in my files. I have some form Ribeira Quente, Maia and
> Lomba da Maia. There are others in many villages.
>
> JR
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:37:00 PM UTC-5, NancyC wrote:
>>
>> Dear Ana and JR,
>>
>> It is my understanding also that Bonito started out a nickname. My
>> father’s baptism record lists him as Eduardo Couto Bonito, and my
>> grandfather is listed on his marriage record as João do Couto Bonito. My
>> family dropped the Bonito when they came to the U.S. I would be interested
>> to know if either of you have Couto Bonitos in your files, especially from
>> Arrifes, Relva, or São José.
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>> P.S. I believe there is also a family called Couto Feio, which suggests
>> that the nickname has nothing to do with fish.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 10:12 AM, JR  wrote:
>>
>> If I may, who was Manuel Lourenco Bonito married to? I have some Bonitos
>> in my files and would like to see if they are related. Bonito means pretty
>> and fine, but it is also a fish, a kind of tuna. And may be the source of
>> the nickname, as many people were fishermen.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 11:48:48 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ana,
>>>
>>> The Azores government digitized what was available to them. For the
>>> island of Sao Miguel, that was up to 1905. After 1905, you have to use the
>>> Civil Registry for Ribeira Grande.  If you are still a Portuguese citizen,
>>> you may be able to order the records online, provided you have a name and
>>> an exact date. I had to get a new computer and I no longer have the URL.
>>> Someone here on this list will have it.
>>>
>>> The Azores government digitized from 1905 going back to the beginning of
>>> the records. Every freguesia is different with their start dates. Use
>>> Tombo.pt to see how far back your freguesia goes and what was
>>> digitized. What you see on the Azores government site (the CCA) by going
>>> through Tombo.pt is all that exists.
>>> Good luck,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 8:43 PM Ana Bonito  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Cheri thanks for reply, was looking for 1800 onward to 1940s.
>>>> I have exhausted both sites and have binders printed of indexes from
>>>> tombo and genweb.
>>>> Any other sites to recommend?
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

No Couto Bonito's in my files. I have some form Ribeira Quente, Maia and 
Lomba da Maia. There are others in many villages.

JR

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:37:00 PM UTC-5, NancyC wrote:
>
> Dear Ana and JR, 
>
> It is my understanding also that Bonito started out a nickname. My 
> father’s baptism record lists him as Eduardo Couto Bonito, and my 
> grandfather is listed on his marriage record as João do Couto Bonito. My 
> family dropped the Bonito when they came to the U.S. I would be interested 
> to know if either of you have Couto Bonitos in your files, especially from 
> Arrifes, Relva, or São José.
>
> Nancy
>
> P.S. I believe there is also a family called Couto Feio, which suggests 
> that the nickname has nothing to do with fish.
>
>
>
> On Nov 25, 2019, at 10:12 AM, JR > wrote:
>
> If I may, who was Manuel Lourenco Bonito married to? I have some Bonitos 
> in my files and would like to see if they are related. Bonito means pretty 
> and fine, but it is also a fish, a kind of tuna. And may be the source of 
> the nickname, as many people were fishermen.
>
> JR
>
> On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 11:48:48 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ana,
>>
>> The Azores government digitized what was available to them. For the 
>> island of Sao Miguel, that was up to 1905. After 1905, you have to use the 
>> Civil Registry for Ribeira Grande.  If you are still a Portuguese citizen, 
>> you may be able to order the records online, provided you have a name and 
>> an exact date. I had to get a new computer and I no longer have the URL. 
>> Someone here on this list will have it.
>>
>> The Azores government digitized from 1905 going back to the beginning of 
>> the records. Every freguesia is different with their start dates. Use 
>> Tombo.pt to see how far back your freguesia goes and what was digitized. 
>> What you see on the Azores government site (the CCA) by going through 
>> Tombo.pt is all that exists.
>> Good luck,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 8:43 PM Ana Bonito  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cheri thanks for reply, was looking for 1800 onward to 1940s.  
>>> I have exhausted both sites and have binders printed of indexes from 
>>> tombo and genweb.  
>>> Any other sites to recommend?
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

2019-11-25 Thread Nancy Couto

Dear Ana and JR, 

It is my understanding also that Bonito started out a nickname. My father’s 
baptism record lists him as Eduardo Couto Bonito, and my grandfather is listed 
on his marriage record as João do Couto Bonito. My family dropped the Bonito 
when they came to the U.S. I would be interested to know if either of you have 
Couto Bonitos in your files, especially from Arrifes, Relva, or São José.

Nancy

P.S. I believe there is also a family called Couto Feio, which suggests that 
the nickname has nothing to do with fish.



> On Nov 25, 2019, at 10:12 AM, JR  wrote:
> 
> If I may, who was Manuel Lourenco Bonito married to? I have some Bonitos in 
> my files and would like to see if they are related. Bonito means pretty and 
> fine, but it is also a fish, a kind of tuna. And may be the source of the 
> nickname, as many people were fishermen.
> 
> JR
> 
> On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 11:48:48 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
> Hi Ana,
> 
> The Azores government digitized what was available to them. For the island of 
> Sao Miguel, that was up to 1905. After 1905, you have to use the Civil 
> Registry for Ribeira Grande.  If you are still a Portuguese citizen, you may 
> be able to order the records online, provided you have a name and an exact 
> date. I had to get a new computer and I no longer have the URL. Someone here 
> on this list will have it.
> 
> The Azores government digitized from 1905 going back to the beginning of the 
> records. Every freguesia is different with their start dates. Use Tombo.pt to 
> see how far back your freguesia goes and what was digitized. What you see on 
> the Azores government site (the CCA) by going through Tombo.pt is all that 
> exists.
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 8:43 PM Ana Bonito gmail.com 
> <http://gmail.com/>> wrote:
> Hi Cheri thanks for reply, was looking for 1800 onward to 1940s.  
> I have exhausted both sites and have binders printed of indexes from tombo 
> and genweb.  
> Any other sites to recommend?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Sao Miguel Index

2019-11-25 Thread Gustavo Martins

You are amazing!!! Thank you guys!

Envoyé de mon iPhone

> Le 22 nov. 2019 à 21:44, 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

If I may, who was Manuel Lourenco Bonito married to? I have some Bonitos in 
my files and would like to see if they are related. Bonito means pretty and 
fine, but it is also a fish, a kind of tuna. And may be the source of the 
nickname, as many people were fishermen.

JR

On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 11:48:48 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Ana,
>
> The Azores government digitized what was available to them. For the island 
> of Sao Miguel, that was up to 1905. After 1905, you have to use the Civil 
> Registry for Ribeira Grande.  If you are still a Portuguese citizen, you 
> may be able to order the records online, provided you have a name and an 
> exact date. I had to get a new computer and I no longer have the URL. 
> Someone here on this list will have it.
>
> The Azores government digitized from 1905 going back to the beginning of 
> the records. Every freguesia is different with their start dates. Use 
> Tombo.pt to see how far back your freguesia goes and what was digitized. 
> What you see on the Azores government site (the CCA) by going through 
> Tombo.pt is all that exists.
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 8:43 PM Ana Bonito  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri thanks for reply, was looking for 1800 onward to 1940s.  
>> I have exhausted both sites and have binders printed of indexes from 
>> tombo and genweb.  
>> Any other sites to recommend?
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

Hi Ana,

The Azores government digitized what was available to them. For the island
of Sao Miguel, that was up to 1905. After 1905, you have to use the Civil
Registry for Ribeira Grande.  If you are still a Portuguese citizen, you
may be able to order the records online, provided you have a name and an
exact date. I had to get a new computer and I no longer have the URL.
Someone here on this list will have it.

The Azores government digitized from 1905 going back to the beginning of
the records. Every freguesia is different with their start dates. Use
Tombo.pt to see how far back your freguesia goes and what was digitized.
What you see on the Azores government site (the CCA) by going through
Tombo.pt is all that exists.
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 8:43 PM Ana Bonito  wrote:

> Hi Cheri thanks for reply, was looking for 1800 onward to 1940s.
> I have exhausted both sites and have binders printed of indexes from tombo
> and genweb.
> Any other sites to recommend?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

2019-11-24 Thread Ana Bonito

Thanks Angela will look into!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

2019-11-24 Thread Ana Bonito

Hi Cheri thanks for reply, was looking for 1800 onward to 1940s.  
I have exhausted both sites and have binders printed of indexes from tombo and 
genweb.  
Any other sites to recommend?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

2019-11-24 Thread Ângela Loura

Hi Ana,

If you use the group's search tab and type "Manuel Lourenço Bonito" you'll
find that there's at least one thread about this.

If you google the same "Manuel Lourenço Bonito" (always between "") you'll
find the name referend in some trees, specially a big tree on Geneanet (the
*tavaressilva* tree), so take a look. You may also find some Bonito's in
some worldgenweb indexes.

Also follow the path through the CCA records like Cheri suggested, and from
there you might find the Bonito track line again.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia segunda, 25/11/2019 à(s)
01:20:

> Hi Ana,
>
> Photography didn't begin to become affordable until the late 1800s
> onwards. You won't find any photos for the early 1800s into 1700s.
>
> The Azores government digitized their records and they are online. It is
> much easier to access them through tombo.pt. You can type "lomba da maia"
> in the left column and see what is available.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 5:14 PM Ana Bonito  wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone my name is Ana Bonito, born in Lomba da maia.
>> I have been researching my surname and have found through records 4
>> generations of Manuel Lourenco Bonito, my grandfather's, stuck at early
>> 1800s into 1700s.
>>
>> No luck finding any photos, passports or documents any of them.  Anyone
>> recommend any sites?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

Hi Ana,

Photography didn't begin to become affordable until the late 1800s onwards.
You won't find any photos for the early 1800s into 1700s.

The Azores government digitized their records and they are online. It is
much easier to access them through tombo.pt. You can type "lomba da maia"
in the left column and see what is available.
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 5:14 PM Ana Bonito  wrote:

> Hello everyone my name is Ana Bonito, born in Lomba da maia.
> I have been researching my surname and have found through records 4
> generations of Manuel Lourenco Bonito, my grandfather's, stuck at early
> 1800s into 1700s.
>
> No luck finding any photos, passports or documents any of them.  Anyone
> recommend any sites?
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Hi Anthony,

You need to give us a name, date (or range), and a place. Otherwise, we
don't know where to point you. If you are looking in mainland proper, this
isn't the list. We are researching the Azores islands.
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> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>
> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
> online ???
>
> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

2019-11-24 Thread Anthony Silver

hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 

the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.

does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
online ??? 

one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

2019-11-24 Thread Ana Bonito

Hello everyone my name is Ana Bonito, born in Lomba da maia.
I have been researching my surname and have found through records 4 generations 
of Manuel Lourenco Bonito, my grandfather's, stuck at early 1800s into 1700s.

No luck finding any photos, passports or documents any of them.  Anyone 
recommend any sites?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA's (American) Thanksgiving Sale (through Nov. 28)

If one has never tested any part of their mtDNA, the sale price is $139.

If one has tested mtDNA Basic or mtDNA Plus, the UPGRADE sale price is $99.

All prices in U.S. Dollars.

Hope this clarifies.  Cheri
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On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 10:22 AM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> Thanks for that clarification, Cheri.  Eitehr way, it sounds like it would
> be worth doing for the money.   I'll wait and see if it shows up on
> upgrades, or whether I'd need to do the other offer
>
> Elaine
>
> On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 11:33:04 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> I've been getting the message that FTDNA is down for maintenance. The $99
>> was a new deal, perhaps? When I find out, I will post here.
>>
>> The mtDNA is different than the Family Finder test. The mtDNA traces your
>> mother's mother's mother's line - all women all the way back. Mitochondria
>> mutate very, very slowly. Once the mtDNA database reaches critical mass,
>> about half of the matches will be within a genealogical time frame (or so
>> is the current thinking). So you can test, get your haplogroup, the cute
>> little video, and then play wait and see.
>>
>> FamilyFinder covers ALL lines, back about 200 years from the birth of the
>> testee. Most people now get lots of matches that they are able to work.
>>
>> Sometimes you can play the mtDNA and the Family Finder off of each other.
>>
>> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:26 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I got two emails from FTDNA - one was for an mtFull upgrade for $99, but
>>> that doesn't show up on their page when I click the link - it does show up
>>> for the $139 you mention, Cheri.
>>>
>>> I assume the first email was a mistake, since I can't find that price
>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>> Is it worth upgrading, and will it give any more information than the
>>> FamilyFinder already has?
>>>
>>> Elaine
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Ancestor Round-up

2019-11-24 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci

It's always a good, fun day! Maybe next time Mindy, they have one every
year.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA's (American) Thanksgiving Sale (through Nov. 28)

2019-11-24 Thread Elaine Mello

Thanks for that clarification, Cheri.  Eitehr way, it sounds like it would 
be worth doing for the money.   I'll wait and see if it shows up on 
upgrades, or whether I'd need to do the other offer 

Elaine 

On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 11:33:04 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I've been getting the message that FTDNA is down for maintenance. The $99 
> was a new deal, perhaps? When I find out, I will post here.
>
> The mtDNA is different than the Family Finder test. The mtDNA traces your 
> mother's mother's mother's line - all women all the way back. Mitochondria 
> mutate very, very slowly. Once the mtDNA database reaches critical mass, 
> about half of the matches will be within a genealogical time frame (or so 
> is the current thinking). So you can test, get your haplogroup, the cute 
> little video, and then play wait and see.
>
> FamilyFinder covers ALL lines, back about 200 years from the birth of the 
> testee. Most people now get lots of matches that they are able to work.
>
> Sometimes you can play the mtDNA and the Family Finder off of each other.
>
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:26 PM Elaine Mello  > wrote:
>
>> I got two emails from FTDNA - one was for an mtFull upgrade for $99, but 
>> that doesn't show up on their page when I click the link - it does show up 
>> for the $139 you mention, Cheri.  
>>
>> I assume the first email was a mistake, since I can't find that price 
>> anywhere.
>>
>> Is it worth upgrading, and will it give any more information than the 
>> FamilyFinder already has?
>>
>> Elaine 
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Garcia Family of Cedros, Horta, Faial, Azores

2019-11-24 Thread Manny Amaral

Hi John,

I have a 2nd great uncle named Jose Garcia but  born in Flamengos, Faial and 
dates are 1879 - 1955.  Don't know whether it's the same person.  
Unfortunately,  I still have a lot more digging to find good and accurate 
records but maybe this would help.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1870-1879/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1870-1879_item1/P233.html

Regards
Manny Amaral

Searching for Amaral, Rodrigues and Garcia from Flamengos, Faial

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Grandparents Naturalization Application Massachusetts

2019-11-24 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel

Elaine, I am going to guess that your grandparents applied for Citizenship
around the 1935-1940 time period. As such they would have applied to the
Bristol County District Court which is in Taunton, MA. The records from
there are held in the Massachusetts State Archives located near the JFK
Library in Boston which is actually near Dorchester. I found several of my
greats paperwork there. I seem to recall they had the information on
microfilm at the time and I could make copies of the images. Because I went
there I was able to do the searching myself and the staff was very helpful.
I don't know what the policy is on mail requests but this web site may help
: www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcres/residx.htm
<http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcres/residx.htm>

Some time after WWII the process for naturalization was taken by the US
District Courts. The records of naturalization for that period are kept in
the national archives. For Massachusetts that would be the one located in
Waltham. I have been there and I first had to look on microfilm for the
record I wanted then request to look at it. I took about a hour for them to
get it then I was able to look at the original in a viewing room and get a
copy made. As I recall it only cost around 50 cents for the copies. Once
again the staff there was very helpful.

Good luck in your search.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Lee, NH

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores

hi Rick,

They immigrated at the turn of the century and ended up in New Bedford,
MA. I found my grandfather's declaration on Ancestry, and sent in for
information for both grandparents only to find out that the USCIS had
nothing they could find. It was recommended I try the state judicial
archives, and sent them a request with money and never heard back from them
on those records.

If the Federal Archives have them in Waltham, that would be good to
know. I did ask the state archives in Dorchester whether they had anything,
and they said I could try and submit a request and they'd do a search, but I
haven't gone that route yet.

On Friday, November 22, 2019 at 8:32:03 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel
wrote:

When did your grandparents become citizens? Where? Did they live in
Massachusetts?

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Lee, NH

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores

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[AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Ancestor Round-up

2019-11-24 Thread Mindy Silva

I wish I could go! It looks like an outstanding conference!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA's (American) Thanksgiving Sale (through Nov. 28)

2019-11-23 Thread Cheri Mello

I've been getting the message that FTDNA is down for maintenance. The $99
was a new deal, perhaps? When I find out, I will post here.

The mtDNA is different than the Family Finder test. The mtDNA traces your
mother's mother's mother's line - all women all the way back. Mitochondria
mutate very, very slowly. Once the mtDNA database reaches critical mass,
about half of the matches will be within a genealogical time frame (or so
is the current thinking). So you can test, get your haplogroup, the cute
little video, and then play wait and see.

FamilyFinder covers ALL lines, back about 200 years from the birth of the
testee. Most people now get lots of matches that they are able to work.

Sometimes you can play the mtDNA and the Family Finder off of each other.

Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:26 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> I got two emails from FTDNA - one was for an mtFull upgrade for $99, but
> that doesn't show up on their page when I click the link - it does show up
> for the $139 you mention, Cheri.
>
> I assume the first email was a mistake, since I can't find that price
> anywhere.
>
> Is it worth upgrading, and will it give any more information than the
> FamilyFinder already has?
>
> Elaine
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA's (American) Thanksgiving Sale (through Nov. 28)

2019-11-23 Thread Elaine Mello

I got two emails from FTDNA - one was for an mtFull upgrade for $99, but 
that doesn't show up on their page when I click the link - it does show up 
for the $139 you mention, Cheri.  

I assume the first email was a mistake, since I can't find that price 
anywhere.

Is it worth upgrading, and will it give any more information than the 
FamilyFinder already has?

Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

2019-11-23 Thread Elaine Mello

hi Rick,

They immigrated at the turn of the century and ended up in New Bedford, 
MA.  I found my grandfather's declaration on Ancestry, and sent in for 
information for both grandparents only to find out that the USCIS had 
nothing they could find.  It was recommended I try the state judicial 
archives, and sent them a request with money and never heard back from them 
on those records.

 If the Federal Archives have them in Waltham, that would be good to 
know.  I did ask the state archives in Dorchester whether they had 
anything, and they said I could try and submit a request and they'd do a 
search, but I haven't gone that route yet. 

On Friday, November 22, 2019 at 8:32:03 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:
>
> *When did your grandparents become citizens? Where? Did they live in 
> Massachusetts?*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Lee, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Ancestor Round-up

2019-11-23 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci

Thanks for letting me know,Linda! Look forward to seeing you in Jan.

Rosemarie
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On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 10:54 AM linda  wrote:

> I plan to be there. Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

2019-11-23 Thread Cheri Mello

Judy Russell, The Legal Genealogist, blogged about the proposed rate hike,
and a place to complain (with samples and writing prompts). You must
complete this by MONDAY, DECEMBER 16.
https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/11/21/records-not-revenue/



On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 5:32 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *When did your grandparents become citizens? Where? Did they live in
> Massachusetts?*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Lee, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of 
> *Elaine
> Mello
> *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 8:20 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching
> U.S. Naturalization records
>
>
>
>
>
> I tried to find my grandparents records and they couldn't find anything.
> In fact, it was suggested I try the court records here in Boston and I
> reached out to someone and never heard back from them.
>
>
>
> I'd love for someone to get these scanned.  If they can actually find
> them, since the government can't seem to do the job for any cost.
>
>
>
> Elaine
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Ancestor Round-up

2019-11-23 Thread linda

I plan to be there. Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Ancestor Round-up

2019-11-23 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci

Hi Bill,
Yes, it's Karina Robinson. You can see on the Class List page what classes
she will be teaching besides the Keynote. I believe that she is a Librarian
for the CA State Library.


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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:04 AM 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Rosemarie,
>
> Do you have a name for the keynote speaker?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> On Nov 22, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks, Deb. I will add you to the list of attendees! If I get close to 20
> I will need a bigger room so we'll have to see what happens. Will look
> forward to seeing you!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:17 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So glad to hear this Rosemarie!  I’ll get my registration in.  Love the
>> location!
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 5:27 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> Just wanted to let you all know that I will be presenting a two hour
>>> Portuguese Research class as the DAR Ancestor Round-up on Jan 25, 2002 in
>>> Seaside CA. I've attached the Class Schedule and also the Flyer. If you
>>> plan to attend, please let me know as they have placed me in a small room
>>> so if I have 20 or more they will move us to a larger room!
>>> The Keynote speaker is the librarian for the California State Library.
>>> Thanks and hope to see some of you there.
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Ancestor Round-up

2019-11-23 Thread 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy

Rosemarie,

Do you have a name for the keynote speaker?

Thanks,

Bill

> On Nov 22, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks, Deb. I will add you to the list of attendees! If I get close to 20 I 
> will need a bigger room so we'll have to see what happens. Will look forward 
> to seeing you! 
> 
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> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:17 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
>>  wrote:
>> So glad to hear this Rosemarie!  I’ll get my registration in.  Love the 
>> location!
>> 
>> Debbie
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 5:27 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> Just wanted to let you all know that I will be presenting a two hour 
>>> Portuguese Research class as the DAR Ancestor Round-up on Jan 25, 2002 in 
>>> Seaside CA. I've attached the Class Schedule and also the Flyer. If you 
>>> plan to attend, please let me know as they have placed me in a small room 
>>> so if I have 20 or more they will move us to a larger room! 
>>> The Keynote speaker is the librarian for the California State Library. 
>>> Thanks and hope to see some of you there. 
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Ancestor Round-up

2019-11-22 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci

Thanks, Deb. I will add you to the list of attendees! If I get close to 20
I will need a bigger room so we'll have to see what happens. Will look
forward to seeing you!

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


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> So glad to hear this Rosemarie!  I’ll get my registration in.  Love the
> location!
>
> Debbie
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 5:27 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> Just wanted to let you all know that I will be presenting a two hour
>> Portuguese Research class as the DAR Ancestor Round-up on Jan 25, 2002 in
>> Seaside CA. I've attached the Class Schedule and also the Flyer. If you
>> plan to attend, please let me know as they have placed me in a small room
>> so if I have 20 or more they will move us to a larger room!
>> The Keynote speaker is the librarian for the California State Library.
>> Thanks and hope to see some of you there.
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Ancestor Round-up

2019-11-22 Thread JesseAndDeborah Mendonca

So glad to hear this Rosemarie!  I’ll get my registration in.  Love the
location!

Debbie


On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 5:27 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Hi All,
> Just wanted to let you all know that I will be presenting a two hour
> Portuguese Research class as the DAR Ancestor Round-up on Jan 25, 2002 in
> Seaside CA. I've attached the Class Schedule and also the Flyer. If you
> plan to attend, please let me know as they have placed me in a small room
> so if I have 20 or more they will move us to a larger room!
> The Keynote speaker is the librarian for the California State Library.
> Thanks and hope to see some of you there.
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Sao Miguel Index

2019-11-22 Thread Liz Migliori

Thank you all for all your efforts

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2019, at 4:44 PM, 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy 
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> I wanted to announce that there is a new resource on the Azores GenWeb. It is 
> an Index of the marriages for Vila Franca, Sao Miguel for the period of 
> 1670-1799. This work was done by Terri Santos, Joe Matias, and Fernando 
> Pimentel and made available to all other researchers. We thank them for all 
> their efforts!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Garcia Family of Cedros, Horta, Faial, Azores

2019-11-22 Thread Cheri Mello

Hi John S,

Records for Cedros on Faial are online through 1911 here:
https://tombo.pt/f/hrt04

Good luck and happy hunting!
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 5:31 PM John Sears  wrote:

> I'm trying to locate ancestral information about JOSE SILVEIRA GARCIA
> (1878 - 1955) and wife ALEXANDRINA (?) (1902 - 1995), who are known to have
> had two sons (Jose & Francisco).  Any information or research guidance
> would be appreciated.  Thank you.
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

2019-11-22 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel

When did your grandparents become citizens? Where? Did they live in 
Massachusetts?

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Lee, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

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Mello
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 8:20 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. 
Naturalization records

 

 

I tried to find my grandparents records and they couldn't find anything.  In 
fact, it was suggested I try the court records here in Boston and I reached out 
to someone and never heard back from them.  

 

I'd love for someone to get these scanned.  If they can actually find them, 
since the government can't seem to do the job for any cost.

 

Elaine 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Garcia Family of Cedros, Horta, Faial, Azores

2019-11-22 Thread John Sears

I'm trying to locate ancestral information about JOSE SILVEIRA GARCIA (1878 
- 1955) and wife ALEXANDRINA (?) (1902 - 1995), who are known to have had 
two sons (Jose & Francisco).  Any information or research guidance would be 
appreciated.  Thank you.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Sao Miguel Index

2019-11-22 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci

Wow, great for the Vila Franca people!

Rosemarie
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> Hi Everyone
>
> I wanted to announce that there is a new resource on the Azores GenWeb. It
> is an Index of the marriages for Vila Franca, Sao Miguel for the period of
> 1670-1799. This work was done by Terri Santos , Joe
> Matias,  and Fernando Pimentel
>  and made available to all other researchers. We
> thank them for all their efforts!
>
> Kathy Cardoza
> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

2019-11-22 Thread Elaine Mello



> I tried to find my grandparents records and they couldn't find anything.  
> In fact, it was suggested I try the court records here in Boston and I 
> reached out to someone and never heard back from them.  
>

I'd love for someone to get these scanned.  If they can actually find them, 
since the government can't seem to do the job for any cost.

Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Sao Miguel Index

2019-11-22 Thread ':' via Azores Genealogy

Wonderful!!!  Much thanks to Terri Santos, Joe Matias and Fernando Pimentel for 
their time and work!!!

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Hi Everyone
I wanted to announce that there is a new resource on the Azores GenWeb. It is 
an Index of the marriages for Vila Franca, Sao Miguel for the period of 
1670-1799. This work was done by Terri Santos, Joe Matias, and Fernando 
Pimentel and made available to all other researchers. We thank them for all 
their efforts!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] New Sao Miguel Index

2019-11-22 Thread 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy

Hi Everyone

I wanted to announce that there is a new resource on the Azores GenWeb. It is 
an Index of the marriages for Vila Franca, Sao Miguel for the period of 
1670-1799. This work was done by Terri Santos <mailto:kmacard...@me.com>, Joe 
Matias, <mailto:joe.mudd...@gmail.com> and Fernando Pimentel 
<mailto:fpimentel4...@gmail.com> and made available to all other researchers. 
We thank them for all their efforts!

Kathy Cardoza
Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Urzelina cemetary

2019-11-22 Thread Cheri Mello

Since the Azores are islands, it would be impossible to have every single
body since the 1640s be interred in a grave. So they would inter a body for
7 years and after that, the remains would be dug up and the bones placed in
an ossuary. For some families today who want their relative there longer
than 7 years, they pay a fee (I guess it is like paying rent) and the
remains stay as long as the fee is paid.

So for the 1830s and 1850s, those people's bones are in the ossuary in the
cemetery in Urzelina.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
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> Hi guys, looking for general information due to conflicting stories.
>
> The church Sao Mateus in Urzelina was built in 1822 to replace the old
> church that was destroyed in a volcanic eruption. (you can still find the
> steeple on display in town).  The parish cemetary was next to this
> church. The first burial took place on August
> <https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_de_Agosto>28, 1837. In 1859
> <https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/1859> there were those who gave land to a
> more appropriate cemetery location, but the former continued to serve.
>
> Where were parishioners etc buried before that?  What happened to the
> bodies/graves of those that were built in the churchyard?  It's my
> understanding they extended the church and built over the old cemetery
> after exclusively using the new one.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Urzelina cemetary

2019-11-22 Thread Brian Margarit

Hi guys, looking for general information due to conflicting stories.

The church Sao Mateus in Urzelina was built in 1822 to replace the old 
church that was destroyed in a volcanic eruption. (you can still find the 
steeple on display in town).  The parish cemetary was next to this church. The 
first burial took place on August 
<https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_de_Agosto>28, 1837. In 1859 
<https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/1859> there were those who gave land to a 
more appropriate cemetery location, but the former continued to serve.

Where were parishioners etc buried before that?  What happened to the 
bodies/graves of those that were built in the churchyard?  It's my 
understanding they extended the church and built over the old cemetery 
after exclusively using the new one.

Anyone with any information please share.  Appreciate your help

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

2019-11-22 Thread Cheri Mello

This isn't an increase for those researching Portuguese ancestors. This is
an increase for ANYONE researching ANY immigrant ancestor to America.

However, since you suggested PALCUS, you can contact them here and ask them
to help: pal...@palcus.org
Keep us posted on what they say.
Cheri


On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 8:42 AM Gordon soares  wrote:

> Can PALCUS do anything about this terrible increase?
> Gordon soares
> gws...@gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Cheri Mello 
> *Date:* November 19, 2019 at 11:40:20 AM MST
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* *[AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S.
> Naturalization records*
> *Reply-To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>
> 
> Dick Eastman wrote about the huge price increase for U.S. Naturalization
> records. The new fees are ridiculous!
>
> https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
>
> Cheri Mello
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Fwd: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

2019-11-21 Thread Gordon soares

Can PALCUS do anything about this terrible increase?
Gordon soares
gws...@gmail.com

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> From: Cheri Mello 
> Date: November 19, 2019 at 11:40:20 AM MST
> To: Azores Genealogy 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. 
> Naturalization records
> Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> Dick Eastman wrote about the huge price increase for U.S. Naturalization 
> records. The new fees are ridiculous!
> https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
>  
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please with 1858 Baptismal Record

2019-11-21 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Some of your lines go back to the Camelos and therefore to Afonso III.
John

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 10:15:04 PM EST, Luis Arruda
wrote:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860_item1/P92.html
Hello everyone,I am looking for assistance in deciphering what this baptismal
record contains.I can deduce that Manuel, (my great grandfather ) was the
legitimate son of Manuel de Souza Coelho and Antonio Jacintha. It appears he
was born on the 26th of February 1858 and baptized on the 13th ( or is 3rd ) of
March in the same year.
I need help with Manuel's paternal grandparents - are they Mathias De Souza
Coelho and Antonia De?. ( is that de Jesus?).His maternal grandparents are
Joao Pavao and ( who is the grandmother? ) I am unable to decipher her first or
last name.
Thanking everyone in advance.Luis ArrudaHamilton, ON

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please with 1858 Baptismal Record

2019-11-21 Thread JR

13th of March; note the e at end of treze. Note the father is from Bretanha 
and the mother, Antonia Jacintha is from Ginetes. Godfather is o tio 
(uncle), Joao Pavao e sua mulher Gertrudes de Jesus. So Joao Pavao is the 
brother of Antonia Jacinta.

JR

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 10:46:35 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> There's 3 Manuels on that page. I hope you are looking at the left side, 
> 3rd entry.
>
> "de Jesus" is the paternal grandmother. The maternal is Francisca de Jesus.
>
> Baptized on the 13th.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:15 PM Luis Arruda  > wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860_item1/P92.html
>> Hello everyone,
>> I am looking for assistance in deciphering what this baptismal record 
>> contains.
>> I can deduce that Manuel, (my great grandfather ) was the legitimate son 
>> of Manuel de Souza Coelho and Antonio Jacintha. 
>> It appears he was born on the 26th of February 1858 and baptized on the 
>> 13th ( or is 3rd ) of March in the same year.
>>
>> I need help with Manuel's paternal grandparents - are they Mathias De 
>> Souza Coelho and Antonia  De?. ( is that de Jesus?).
>> His maternal grandparents are Joao Pavao and ( who is the grandmother? ) 
>> I am unable to decipher her first or last name.
>>
>> Thanking everyone in advance.
>> Luis Arruda
>> Hamilton, ON
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TAP airlines Boston to Po ta Delgada

2019-11-20 Thread E. Sharp

All I can say is the info I received yesterday says TAP will have flights BOS 
to PDL in 2020. It even gave what kind of planes they will use(I believe Azores 
airlines uses these types of aircraft also). If you want more info, I suggest 
you contact TAP about it  “E”

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> On Nov 20, 2019, at 9:30 PM, Tomas Leal  wrote:
> 
> Look closely. TAP is marketing flights that is it not actually operating. For 
> example, TAP offers a flight from San Francisco to Ponta Delgada, but it's on 
> JetBlue SFO-BOS and then over to PDL. Guess which infamous airline owned by 
> the Azorean government is operating the flight to PDL? 
> 
> Buying the ticket through TAP but still flying on Azores Airlines (aka SATA), 
> is no cakewalk. The basic incompetency of SATA to run on time--even on the 
> scheduled date--is still, literally, up in the air.
> 
> Tomás Leal
> 
> 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TAP airlines Boston to Po ta Delgada

2019-11-20 Thread Tomas Leal

Look closely. TAP is marketing flights that is it not actually operating. 
For example, TAP offers a flight from San Francisco to Ponta Delgada, but 
it's on JetBlue SFO-BOS and then over to PDL. Guess which infamous airline 
owned by the Azorean government is operating the flight to PDL? 

Buying the ticket through TAP but still flying on Azores Airlines (aka 
SATA), is no cakewalk. The basic incompetency of SATA to run on time--even 
on the scheduled date--is still, literally, up in the air.

Tomás Leal

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:41:25 AM UTC-8, E. Sharp wrote:
>
> TAP Airlines will be flying from Boston to Ponta Delgada in 2020.  This is 
> good news since Delta cancelled their flights. 
>
> “E” 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

When Rosemarie brought up "Reclaim the Records" yesterday, I said I knew
that they did state things, but I didn't know if they did Federal records.
So I looked.

>From https://www.reclaimtherecords.org/to-do/

[image: image.png]
[image: image.png]

It's not sounding that hopeful, if you ask me.
Cheri


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:40 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I have to check the datesSomething like 1925 and before are on film.
> Don't quote me on the year, I have to look it up. The others (after
> whatever the year is) are the ones that's  $200 something for the index
> search and almost $400 for the actual records. It adds up to about $600.
> Marilyn did the math, so you'd have to look in a previous post.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:38 PM Ms AVA  wrote:
>
>> Cheri -
>>
>> Back at the first Azores Conference that You and Rosemarie hosted, we
>> were at the LDS History Center.  Patsy and I found my Grandfather's 1904
>> Naturalization Application and his 1905 Naturalization Certificates, along
>> with that of my Great Uncle Pinheiro.
>>
>> Guess we were really lucky.
>>
>> ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro Nunes
>> Sao Miguel & Faial
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:18 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, that is correct. I read it the same way.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 4:13 PM Marilyn Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cheri I am reading the cost differently. The index search is $240 and
>>>> Record Request is $368. If you do both of them that is $608. It was hard
>>>> enough to pay $65 for the index search and then to maybe not get anything.
>>>>
>>>> Is this index supposed to be for all naturalizations no matter what
>>>> state they were done in
>>>>
>>>> That is a terrible cost. I agree with Rosemarie it should be under the
>>>> Freedom of Info Act.
>>>>
>>>> Marilyn
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 2:20 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>>> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> *Around 2004 I went to the National Records Center in Waltham, MA. I
>>>>> was able to verify that the Naturalization Record I was seeking was in 
>>>>> fact
>>>>> there and they pulled the record for me which was the original. I was able
>>>>> to have a copy made which was around 25 cents.  This is crazy charging so
>>>>> much to get a copy of a record. I personally think they want to charge so
>>>>> much that no one can afford to make a request. They will have nothing to 
>>>>> do
>>>>> and they will sit around all day playing on their computers and watching
>>>>> videos.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Rick*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Lee, NH*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf
>>>>> Of *Cheri Mello
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:40 PM
>>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>>>>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching
>>>>> U.S. Naturalization records
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick Eastman wrote about the huge price increase for U.S.
>>>>> Naturalization records. The new fees are ridiculous!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please with 1858 Baptismal Record

There's 3 Manuels on that page. I hope you are looking at the left side,
3rd entry.

"de Jesus" is the paternal grandmother. The maternal is Francisca de Jesus.

Baptized on the 13th.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:15 PM Luis Arruda  wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860_item1/P92.html
> Hello everyone,
> I am looking for assistance in deciphering what this baptismal record
> contains.
> I can deduce that Manuel, (my great grandfather ) was the legitimate son
> of Manuel de Souza Coelho and Antonio Jacintha.
> It appears he was born on the 26th of February 1858 and baptized on the
> 13th ( or is 3rd ) of March in the same year.
>
> I need help with Manuel's paternal grandparents - are they Mathias De
> Souza Coelho and Antonia  De?. ( is that de Jesus?).
> His maternal grandparents are Joao Pavao and ( who is the grandmother? ) I
> am unable to decipher her first or last name.
>
> Thanking everyone in advance.
> Luis Arruda
> Hamilton, ON
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

I have to check the datesSomething like 1925 and before are on film.
Don't quote me on the year, I have to look it up. The others (after
whatever the year is) are the ones that's  $200 something for the index
search and almost $400 for the actual records. It adds up to about $600.
Marilyn did the math, so you'd have to look in a previous post.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:38 PM Ms AVA  wrote:

> Cheri -
>
> Back at the first Azores Conference that You and Rosemarie hosted, we were
> at the LDS History Center.  Patsy and I found my Grandfather's 1904
> Naturalization Application and his 1905 Naturalization Certificates, along
> with that of my Great Uncle Pinheiro.
>
> Guess we were really lucky.
>
> ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro Nunes
> Sao Miguel & Faial
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:18 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Yes, that is correct. I read it the same way.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 4:13 PM Marilyn Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri I am reading the cost differently. The index search is $240 and
>>> Record Request is $368. If you do both of them that is $608. It was hard
>>> enough to pay $65 for the index search and then to maybe not get anything.
>>>
>>> Is this index supposed to be for all naturalizations no matter what
>>> state they were done in
>>>
>>> That is a terrible cost. I agree with Rosemarie it should be under the
>>> Freedom of Info Act.
>>>
>>> Marilyn
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 2:20 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *Around 2004 I went to the National Records Center in Waltham, MA. I
>>>> was able to verify that the Naturalization Record I was seeking was in fact
>>>> there and they pulled the record for me which was the original. I was able
>>>> to have a copy made which was around 25 cents.  This is crazy charging so
>>>> much to get a copy of a record. I personally think they want to charge so
>>>> much that no one can afford to make a request. They will have nothing to do
>>>> and they will sit around all day playing on their computers and watching
>>>> videos.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Rick*
>>>>
>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>>
>>>> *Lee, NH*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf
>>>> Of *Cheri Mello
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:40 PM
>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>>>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching
>>>> U.S. Naturalization records
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dick Eastman wrote about the huge price increase for U.S.
>>>> Naturalization records. The new fees are ridiculous!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Introducing myself

2019-11-20 Thread 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy

 Brian,
Let me know if you are interested in sharing information.  My family line goes 
back to Guadalupe, Graciosa too.  Mainly Victoria, but Praia is also in the 
mix.  Feel free to email directly.  I also owe a lot to Bill Seidler for his 
help in translating records.
Family names: Espional, Silva, Vasconcellos, Conde, and Bettencourt.
Regards,
Bill Boyd
On Friday, November 8, 2019, 08:22:38 AM PST, Brian Margarit 
 wrote:  
 
 Hey guys,
I've never introduced myself on here - I've made a few posts under the username 
'analytic advantage'.
I'll be going to the genealogy conference in 2020 to align with going to the 
Acores to try and fill gaps in history and names etc.  I currently live in 
Mexico but was born in Canada.  My family, mostly, comes from Sao Jorge, 
Graciosa, and Terceira to a lesser extent.  I got extremely lucky with my 
grandfather's line on my mom's side and was able to go back as far as I 
reliable could, which was prior to 900CE (Noronha).  His wife is a Cordeiro, 
and we have that line back to 1700 or so, back to Guadalupe/Praia Graciosa, to 
Manuel Espinola De Mendonca.  My family primarily lived in Praia, Graciosa - 
Urzelina Sao Jorge - and Angra
I owe a great deal to Bill Seidler.  I started our tree back in 2008, but ran 
into a lot of issues in consistency, so I stopped until two years ago.  He was 
able to fill in a lot of blanks for me that he was able to find with the advent 
of the records being made available on the internet. I was able to pay him back 
in a wealth of family photos.  I've restored old images for a number of years, 
including as far back as the first photographs on the islands.  To date I have 
around 100 from my family line alone.  I also have a lot of paperwork and low 
print number books etc that are hard to find.  
Glad I found this.  
Gracias!
Brian Margarit



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

2019-11-20 Thread Ms AVA

Cheri -

Back at the first Azores Conference that You and Rosemarie hosted, we were
at the LDS History Center.  Patsy and I found my Grandfather's 1904
Naturalization Application and his 1905 Naturalization Certificates, along
with that of my Great Uncle Pinheiro.

Guess we were really lucky.

ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro Nunes
Sao Miguel & Faial


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:18 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Yes, that is correct. I read it the same way.
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 4:13 PM Marilyn Thompson  wrote:
>
>> Cheri I am reading the cost differently. The index search is $240 and
>> Record Request is $368. If you do both of them that is $608. It was hard
>> enough to pay $65 for the index search and then to maybe not get anything.
>>
>> Is this index supposed to be for all naturalizations no matter what state
>> they were done in
>>
>> That is a terrible cost. I agree with Rosemarie it should be under the
>> Freedom of Info Act.
>>
>> Marilyn
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 2:20 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *Around 2004 I went to the National Records Center in Waltham, MA. I was
>>> able to verify that the Naturalization Record I was seeking was in fact
>>> there and they pulled the record for me which was the original. I was able
>>> to have a copy made which was around 25 cents.  This is crazy charging so
>>> much to get a copy of a record. I personally think they want to charge so
>>> much that no one can afford to make a request. They will have nothing to do
>>> and they will sit around all day playing on their computers and watching
>>> videos.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>
>>> *Lee, NH*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
>>> *Cheri Mello
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:40 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S.
>>> Naturalization records
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dick Eastman wrote about the huge price increase for U.S. Naturalization
>>> records. The new fees are ridiculous!
>>>
>>>
>>> https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

2019-11-20 Thread 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy

 Perhaps someone should contact Reclaim the Records:
https://www.reclaimtherecords.org/

Bill
On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 07:19:00 PM PST, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes, that is correct. I read it the same way.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 4:13 PM Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

Cheri I am reading the cost differently. The index search is $240 and Record 
Request is $368. If you do both of them that is $608. It was hard enough to pay 
$65 for the index search and then to maybe not get anything.
Is this index supposed to be for all naturalizations no matter what state they 
were done in

That is a terrible cost. I agree with Rosemarie it should be under the Freedom 
of Info Act.
Marilyn
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 2:20 PM Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:


Around 2004 I went to the National Records Center in Waltham, MA. I was able to 
verify that the Naturalization Record I was seeking was in fact there and they 
pulled the record for me which was the original. I was able to have a copy made 
which was around 25 cents.  This is crazy charging so much to get a copy of a 
record. I personally think they want to charge so much that no one can afford 
to make a request. They will have nothing to do and they will sit around all 
day playing on their computers and watching videos.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Lee, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:40 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. 
Naturalization records

 

Dick Eastman wrote about the huge price increase for U.S. Naturalization 
records. The new fees are ridiculous!

https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
 

 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

Yes, that is correct. I read it the same way.

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 4:13 PM Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> Cheri I am reading the cost differently. The index search is $240 and
> Record Request is $368. If you do both of them that is $608. It was hard
> enough to pay $65 for the index search and then to maybe not get anything.
>
> Is this index supposed to be for all naturalizations no matter what state
> they were done in
>
> That is a terrible cost. I agree with Rosemarie it should be under the
> Freedom of Info Act.
>
> Marilyn
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 2:20 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Around 2004 I went to the National Records Center in Waltham, MA. I was
>> able to verify that the Naturalization Record I was seeking was in fact
>> there and they pulled the record for me which was the original. I was able
>> to have a copy made which was around 25 cents.  This is crazy charging so
>> much to get a copy of a record. I personally think they want to charge so
>> much that no one can afford to make a request. They will have nothing to do
>> and they will sit around all day playing on their computers and watching
>> videos.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Lee, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of 
>> *Cheri
>> Mello
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:40 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S.
>> Naturalization records
>>
>>
>>
>> Dick Eastman wrote about the huge price increase for U.S. Naturalization
>> records. The new fees are ridiculous!
>>
>>
>> https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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