RE: Regular Expression
-Original Message- From: vishnu prasad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 12:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Regular Expression Hi all need an help in requlaer expression i have a string like this 'this is samp'le data to in'sert' now i need to replace the like this usign regular expression 'this is samp''le data to in''sert' I don't think you need regular expressions (mush as I love the little beasties). If the string is not single quoted as in: this is samp'le data to in'sert you can just use the replace function like so: cfset myString = this is samp'le data to in'sert cfset myNewString = Replace(myString, ', '', All) If the string IS quoted as in: 'this is samp'le data to in'sert' you can just add the following: cfset myString = 'this is samp'le data to in'sert' cfset myNewString = Replace(myString, ', '', All) cfset myNewString = Mid(myNewString, 2, Len(myNewString) - 2) In other words, replace all single quotes with two single quotes (the Replace() function), then give me the entire string minus the first and last characters (the Mid() function). This will create double single quotes at the beginning and end, then immediately eliminate them. You might also want to Trim() the strings before processing them if you're unsure of the input. Hope this helps. Jim Davis ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187330 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: (Admin) Please test
Is that the latest version available? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 4:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: (Admin) Please test All HoF resources are now 100% Blackstone. If you can do me a favor and test out various links and sections, I'd appreciate it. I think I've done them all, but there may be something I've missed. Thanks ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187332 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: (Admin) Please test
And likewise I can't comment on whether I'm in the trial or not, but it's good to know the latest version (whichever that may be ;-) is being used on real sites. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:13 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Please test Yep. I can't comment on any exact info about it, but as you can see it's fast and solid. If your not on the trial for Blackstone, get on it now and you'll be seeing the info I am. Is that the latest version available? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 4:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: (Admin) Please test All HoF resources are now 100% Blackstone. If you can do me a favor and test out various links and sections, I'd appreciate it. I think I've done them all, but there may be something I've missed. Thanks ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187334 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: (Admin) Please test
It's as if something important is happening with the trial and we just can't tell anyone who's not on the trial what it is. :) Luckally, the trial is rather open to all who have the time to install and report on it. I'm hoping some here who are not on the trial get the hint and get on now. As for it being live, FA has had it live for a while now while I tested out a lot of stuff for performance and use. Got some tight code out of the tests and was going to move HoF over when the latest news hit. Gave me more reason to do so. I'm glad I did, though there were some funky hacks that I wrote over the years that had to be re-examined. all in all, I'm very happy with the results. And likewise I can't comment on whether I'm in the trial or not, but it's good to know the latest version (whichever that may be ;-) is being used on real sites. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:13 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Please test Yep. I can't comment on any exact info about it, but as you can see it's fast and solid. If your not on the trial for Blackstone, get on it now and you'll be seeing the info I am. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187335 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I see ColdFusion is powerfull since we are using and seeing the power. Maybe it needs an IDE that improves code/architecture quality and productivity. However it is really expensive for small and medium projects. Our company need to use other technologies for small/medium projects, so we have experience of other technologies. And we can continue to use the others for large projects... I mean there are strategical mistakes with CF prices currently which will probably cause to die of CF in the future. Macromedia should review the market and prices again and again... Murat. -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCON!! Regarding the relative costs of the expensive ColdFusion and the free other technologies, I have a statement from a colleague in another organisation, which I'll be posting separately. I told him about a site I'd just about finished in ColdFusion and he told me he was amazed. That I'd done my site in about 70 hours with another 40hours or so to finish it , and he had done a similar site in Free PHP - it had taken two of them (part time) two years to build. Let's assume for the sake of argument that all people working on these sites are costing $50/hour either as paid contractors or as employees including on-costs.I built my site, using expensive ColdFusion for $3500 plus a cold fusion server at perhaps $1200 - total $4700. They built their site using free PHP for (say) two people at 600 hours each - that's $60,000!! But they got the server software for free. Saved a big bunch there by going with the 'free' one didn't they. .Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187337 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: (Admin) Please test
I clicked the Message link ( Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187331 below) and it returns: No messages found for this thread ID. The URL was translated to http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/messages.cfm/threadid:187331/forumid:4 Netscape, Win2K Aaron - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: (Admin) Please test All HoF resources are now 100% Blackstone. If you can do me a favor and test out various links and sections, I'd appreciate it. I think I've done them all, but there may be something I've missed. Thanks ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187338 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I think I am going to switch to COBOL or PASCAL.. not sure this CF shaahoey will ever take off. ASP.NET? isnt that a website about snakes that are hidden in pretty baskets? Ho hum. Flame wars are so invigorating dont you think? CFMX smells of eldeberries. -- Mark Drew coldfusion and cfeclipse blogged: http://cybersonic.blogspot.com/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187339 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
(Admin) Please test
All HoF resources are now 100% Blackstone. If you can do me a favor and test out various links and sections, I'd appreciate it. I think I've done them all, but there may be something I've missed. Thanks ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187331 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Cmon, step of that pre defined CF idea. It makes a discussion very difficult, when people are rusty in their current web application platform, and do not try to be open minded about other possible ways. The flamewar part is long gone (if there was a flamewar, it was merely a sharp discussion). Say to a PHP engineer CF takes away PHP market or just totally without argument PHP sucks and you'll get the same effect, people with high blood pressures, smashing their keyboards, getting all sweaty, just eager proving their right and trying to win the battle with attacking people with accusations instead of arguments ;) It happens on all tech boards. It isn't necessary :) Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187341 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: (Admin) Please test
Yep. I can't comment on any exact info about it, but as you can see it's fast and solid. If your not on the trial for Blackstone, get on it now and you'll be seeing the info I am. Is that the latest version available? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 4:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: (Admin) Please test All HoF resources are now 100% Blackstone. If you can do me a favor and test out various links and sections, I'd appreciate it. I think I've done them all, but there may be something I've missed. Thanks ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187333 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I guess they did something terribly wrong there, PHP is a very simple language, you could even compare the learning curve to CF. I build my apps as fast with CF as PHP or ASP (C# other story), so I must guess there have been other issues except the application server used. Micha Schopman Software Engineer Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187336 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
REPOST: CFHEADER/CFCONTENT over SSL on IIS with IE
Subject: REPOST: CFHEADER/CFCONTENT over SSL on IIS with IE From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:48:18 -0500 Thread: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messagesthreadid=37080forumid=4#187302 Perhaps there's a problem with the Content-Disposition header. You might want to try inline instead of attachment. Dave, Thanks for the recommendation. Unfortunately I've tried that and it doesn't work either. I tried varying the type in CFCONTENT as well and continued to get the same result over and over. It's maddening... this behavior only slows up when you mix Windows IE, SSL and IIS. For cripe's sake, it works on the *Mac* flawlessly! Can anyone recommend a good tool (either standalone or plugin for IE) that will allow me to see the HTTP response headers for a particular request? That way I could at least compare the headers generated for a regular file download and then tweak my CFHEADER statement(s) to match. Thanks a bunch. -Cliff ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187342 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
For most small to medium projects I'm not sure why you would ever want to buy CF anyway - hosting seems the way to. Since the development servers are free you can create and publish a CF application for very little money just as you would anything else. In my experience the cost of CF server (at $1200) is insignificant in the scheme of any project where they'll be buying and managing their own servers. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Murat Demirci [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCON!! I see ColdFusion is powerfull since we are using and seeing the power. Maybe it needs an IDE that improves code/architecture quality and productivity. However it is really expensive for small and medium projects. Our company need to use other technologies for small/medium projects, so we have experience of other technologies. And we can continue to use the others for large projects... I mean there are strategical mistakes with CF prices currently which will probably cause to die of CF in the future. Macromedia should review the market and prices again and again... Murat. -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCON!! Regarding the relative costs of the expensive ColdFusion and the free other technologies, I have a statement from a colleague in another organisation, which I'll be posting separately. I told him about a site I'd just about finished in ColdFusion and he told me he was amazed. That I'd done my site in about 70 hours with another 40hours or so to finish it , and he had done a similar site in Free PHP - it had taken two of them (part time) two years to build. Let's assume for the sake of argument that all people working on these sites are costing $50/hour either as paid contractors or as employees including on-costs.I built my site, using expensive ColdFusion for $3500 plus a cold fusion server at perhaps $1200 - total $4700. They built their site using free PHP for (say) two people at 600 hours each - that's $60,000!! But they got the server software for free. Saved a big bunch there by going with the 'free' one didn't they. .Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187343 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: REPOST: CFHEADER/CFCONTENT over SSL on IIS with IE
ieHTTPheaders http://www.blunck.info/iehttpheaders.html I haven't tried it myself, but it's supposed to do what you want. Here's one for Mozilla, in case you're interested: http://livehttpheaders.mozdev.org/ I had to re-install Mozilla after using it. Chris Norloff -- Original Message -- From: Cliff Meyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone recommend a good tool (either standalone or plugin for IE) that will allow me to see the HTTP response headers for a particular request? That way I could at least compare the headers generated for a regular file download and then tweak my CFHEADER statement(s) to match. Thanks a bunch. -Cliff ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187344 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Limiting SQL Results
Ok, heres the thing. I have a table (actually multiple tables joined but for simplicity here we will call it one table) that looks something like... ID ISBN -- 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 2 6 2 7 2 8 3 9 4 10 4 11 4 12 1 13 5 In the results I need no more than 2 of any ISBN, so for the above data I need the results of the query to look like... ID ISBN -- 1 1 2 1 5 2 6 2 8 3 9 4 10 4 13 5 The rest of thae data is irelevent, I don't care which two are returned. I am using MySQL on 2k3 server. Any help on the SQL here? -- Jay ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187345 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: REPOST: CFHEADER/CFCONTENT over SSL on IIS with IE
Can anyone recommend a good tool (either standalone or plugin for IE) that will allow me to see the HTTP response headers for a particular request? That way I could at least compare the headers generated for a regular file download and then tweak my CFHEADER statement(s) to match. Thanks a bunch. Try Fiddler. http://www.fiddlertool.com Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187346 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: odd.. cfoutput group and cfloop over query
Thanks for clarification... Did not find any posts.. matching my request.. so posted.. just a FYI.. nested loops over queries worked fine for me.. in MX6.1.. infact I still have 2 systems without the 6.1 updater applied.. on which I tested the code.. however I think this point has been discussed 101X on this list.. so there goes 102 times.. :-) -- Regards, Pascal Peters wrote: This has always been like this (and must have been discussed a 100x on this list). When you have nested loops over queries (it doesn't matter if you are using cfoutput or cfloop), coldfusion looses the reference to the first query when looping the second. This means that you can't drop the prefix (which you shouldn't in the first place) and that q1.currentRow will always return 1 (and q1.column will always return the value from the first record. You have already found the solution for that problem: set the value to a variable before the second loop. If you have a lot of fields from the first query to access in the second loop, just save the currentRow in a variable and use array notation for the first query. cfloop query=q1 cfset i = q1.currentRow cfloop query=q2 cfif q2.c1 IS q1.c1[i] do something /cfif /cfloop /cfloop Pascal -Original Message- From: Umer Farooq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2004 02:54 To: CF-Talk Subject: odd.. cfoutput group and cfloop over query Hi, I'm getting this odd.. problem.. when doing.. cfouput query=QUERYONE group=SOMECOLUMN cfloop query=QUERYTWO cfif QUERYONE.XID eq QUERYTWO.YID SOMETHING /cfif /cfloop /cfoutput in the loop QUERYONE.XID will keep the first row value. if I remove the prefix from XID.. it gives me an error saying its not defined. Which is odd by itself. I can get away from the error by setting a variable.. before the loop and then compare on it.. Any thoughts on this.. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187348 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
There are no professional CF hosting in Turkey :( So we always need to buy CF to host our projects which should be hosted at different geographical locations. We're using similar approach for most projects, because we generally solve all of the problems of the projects (providing hosting, maintenance, security, content contribution solutions for years). Sometimes our customers wants to host the site their own servers which requires a separate ColdFusion license. These conditions force us to shift other technologies, so maybe I cannot see the future of CF properly due to these conditions. Its popularity is different in Turkey. Finally, we have some plans for next year to setup a small CF hosting company in Turkey :) (Any suggestions to setup a CF hosting company are welcome) This will help us to continue with CF. Murat. -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCON!! For most small to medium projects I'm not sure why you would ever want to buy CF anyway - hosting seems the way to. Since the development servers are free you can create and publish a CF application for very little money just as you would anything else. In my experience the cost of CF server (at $1200) is insignificant in the scheme of any project where they'll be buying and managing their own servers. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Murat Demirci [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCON!! I see ColdFusion is powerfull since we are using and seeing the power. Maybe it needs an IDE that improves code/architecture quality and productivity. However it is really expensive for small and medium projects. Our company need to use other technologies for small/medium projects, so we have experience of other technologies. And we can continue to use the others for large projects... I mean there are strategical mistakes with CF prices currently which will probably cause to die of CF in the future. Macromedia should review the market and prices again and again... Murat. -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCON!! Regarding the relative costs of the expensive ColdFusion and the free other technologies, I have a statement from a colleague in another organisation, which I'll be posting separately. I told him about a site I'd just about finished in ColdFusion and he told me he was amazed. That I'd done my site in about 70 hours with another 40hours or so to finish it , and he had done a similar site in Free PHP - it had taken two of them (part time) two years to build. Let's assume for the sake of argument that all people working on these sites are costing $50/hour either as paid contractors or as employees including on-costs.I built my site, using expensive ColdFusion for $3500 plus a cold fusion server at perhaps $1200 - total $4700. They built their site using free PHP for (say) two people at 600 hours each - that's $60,000!! But they got the server software for free. Saved a big bunch there by going with the 'free' one didn't they. .Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187349 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:02:18 -0500, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure how this will be implemented in BlackStone - Isaac's post was the first I'd heard of it. But it is doable in Java (of course) and it wouldn't be all that hard to create a CFC to kick something like this off in CFMX (several people on this list have already done it I'm sure). If they're going to standardize it in BlackStone, more power to them, but HOW they're going to do it I'm not sure. Will they only support orphaned threads (threads which are created and launched but can't communicate back to the parent thread) or will they support a more complete model. Go read Damon Cooper's blog - he goes into quite a bit of detail about how this will work and, I believe, gives a code example. Yep, I've heard that mentioned in the last few weeks, I just haven't gotten around to actually going and reading it. s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=44477DE=1 http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=45569DE=1 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187352 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SOT moving to FireFox
Prior to IE6, the boxmodel of IE was build upon the idea margin+padding+border were included in the width. You are able to change boxmodel rendering using the appropriate css rules, (mostly you just need border or padding box). The box model can be workaround by not using width/height in combination with padding/margin. So add an extra nesting to prevent boxmodel issues, or change the boxmodel rendering with the css properties created for it. This model however can be suppressed by forcing IE into quirks. I would recommend it to everyone, since standards mode is to buggy for production. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187355 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
TIm Uzzanti : Someone mentioned ediet.com which has a traffic ranking of around 280,000 and in comparison CrystalTech is around 23,000. Microsoft.com which is in the top 10 is using ASP.NET and Dell.COM which is in the top 100 is also using ASP.NET.. Forta has already blogged this, but i think it's a useful repost. Speaking of top internet websites, the hottest social networking site out there, Myspace.com is growing like crazy, 4,5 million memebers declared in the last filing (it's an intermix media property, mix). From a Bambi Francisco article on CBS Marketwatch on december 9 (MySpace value unlocked) : After all, MySpace has twice as many unique visitors than Friendster had when the social network site was valued... Mark Pincus, who started Tribe Network, a Web site that's positioning itself as a classifieds and local information guide, said MySpace could be worth about $50 million. That's assuming the 3 million unique visitors go to the site 100 times, on average. That would be 300 million page views. Well, 300 million page views, not so bad, someone can inform Tim Uzzanti that there're actually busy websites built in CF :-) On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:16:04 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to bring this one in from the Blackstone Beta thread yesterday because I think we all need to talk about this. I'm not going to rehash most of what's been said in that thread. ASP.NET is taking market away from CF! WHY? Will Blackstone fix the shift that's taking place? I say no! CF is still outrageous to purchase. The licensing for the .NET SDK is free as is the licensing to deploy. I'm not trying to attack CF here, I'm really not. I'm just trying to wake people up, because I think we've been lulled to sleep by Blackstone. Blackstone is not equivalent to .NET in power and performance. Yeah, maybe it's easy for us to code our simple CFML, and yeah that cfdocument is pretty neat, but there are a few factors making CF'ers like me change hats, and put on the .NET one! Will MM ever come up with a true development language like .NET? Are they going to keep putting more icing on the same cake, while Microsoft bakes fresh ones? I'll plug Tim Uzzanti's comments below. I think the man would know something about the subject, plus he'll tend to be more honest since he's not on our side of the business. One more thing. Please don't attack me! I'm just the messenger! Tim Uzzanti: If you believe CF can handle the same traffic loads that .NET can handle, then you are completely confused on the technologies and their infrastructure. I have no idea if 75% of fortune 100% companies use CF, I would love to see some documentation for that, but the Fortune 100 companies ARE NOT the Top 100 sites on the Internet either! Asking someone who maintains and manages 10,000 hosted applications on Cold Fusion and someone who manages thousands of .NET applications would probably give you a pretty good opinion of what they see? Is it in my BEST interest to tell a customer not to use CF, or is it in my best interest to suggest what might be the best technologies from my experiences on their requirements? Someone mentioned ediet.com which has a traffic ranking of around 280,000 and in comparison CrystalTech is around 23,000. Microsoft.com which is in the top 10 is using ASP.NET and Dell.COM which is in the top 100 is also using ASP.NET Regarding the back end of Cold Fusion: CFMX is much better than CF5 but still has many limitations and quirks that we have see and deal with every day. I am not saying that CF doesn't have the ability to grow with larger sites because it has features like the ability to cluster machines and the classes are compiled etc. What I am saying is, if you would like to build an application that can last longer on certain hardware or run more optimally, CF is not the way to go! Cold Fusion MX out of the box has a setting to support no more than 10 simultaneous requests at one time. Macromedia suggestions that you never exceed 40 and this isn't optimal for a large scale sites. There are other settings and issues from a server administration standpoint that hinder CFMX from out performing .NET There are other factors that one needs to think about when writing an application. Think about the ability to use Threads in .NET. Depending on your application, sitting and processing 10 requests back to back may take 5 minutes but if you had the ability to run the 10 tasks concurrently you may be able to respond back to the customer in 30 seconds. You have to realize, .NET isn't just a web based language, it is a Development language for desktop and server applications as well. CrystalTech uses SmarterMail which is built on the .NET and it outperforms all other mail servers that are built on C and C++. One last comment that I would also provide to a potential customer who may want to move from a
Using a J2EE Application Server
Hi All. I'm looking for a little bit of information. In what case would you use CFMX on a J2EE platform? We current have a server using CFMX Apache on RedHat. What does using the J2EE platform give me and do the J2EE replace Apache as the webserver or do you still need that? Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Best Regards Andrew. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187358 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Spammer fills out my order form - how to stop
Be aware that CAPTCHA techniques are not accessible and will prevent some valid users from using your site. Because of this, the W3C recommends against them (though they don't offer a viable alternative). It's also important to know that they are vulnerable to a sort of man in the middle attack, though the likelihood of a smaller site being targeted, and just for spam, is pretty low. It's a technique, just not a silver bullet. -Kevin -Original Message- From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 7:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Spammer fills out my order form - how to stop Hey Rick, It's called a CAPTCHA. Doug Hughes at www.alagad.com has a pretty cheap CFC that generates CAPTCHA images, or there's the low-fi way of doing it: premake 100 or so of your own in photoshop. -joe ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187359 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
variables... to prefix or not to prefix
Just out of curiosity, who prefixes their variables with a data type abbreviation... integer - intVariableName numeric - numVariableName string - strVariableName structure - stcVariableName array - arrVariableName object - objVariableName query - qryVariableName etc... We are ever expanding our best practices and guideline documents and this is an agenda point up for discussion soon... I want to some in with some pros and cons. At first glance, the code becomes more descriptive but I do see and have run into, many problems such as passing around URL params.. do you really want to give anymore information than necessary into the type of data within a variable? What about if you encrypt variables?... The number 1 could be viewed as URL.intSomeId but once encrypted it is no longer an interger it is a string URL.strSomeId, this only touches the tip here. Anyone have anything to offer on this topic? Thanks. Mike ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187360 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: variables... to prefix or not to prefix
I don't normally preface the vars...but I do try to be descriptive enough in the var name that it's evident what the var is. For arrays and structs in particular, i'll do something like empArray or empStruct. But as far as explicitly identifying strings, ints, etc...not really. empName is pretty clearly a string. empID is clear enough (IMO) that it's a numeric value. etc. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:02:39 -0500, Tangorre, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity, who prefixes their variables with a data type abbreviation... integer - intVariableName numeric - numVariableName string - strVariableName structure - stcVariableName array - arrVariableName object - objVariableName query - qryVariableName etc... We are ever expanding our best practices and guideline documents and this is an agenda point up for discussion soon... I want to some in with some pros and cons. At first glance, the code becomes more descriptive but I do see and have run into, many problems such as passing around URL params.. do you really want to give anymore information than necessary into the type of data within a variable? What about if you encrypt variables?... The number 1 could be viewed as URL.intSomeId but once encrypted it is no longer an interger it is a string URL.strSomeId, this only touches the tip here. Anyone have anything to offer on this topic? Thanks. Mike ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187361 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
One more thing. Please don't attack me! I'm just the messenger! Ignorance is bliss, my friend. While you're at it, why not throw a message around claiming that the Democrats are better than Republicans, or espouse the ideological supremacy of the Lutheran church over the Catholics. Flame-mongering is pure evil... please stop it. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187362 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CF5 Registry Errors
Had 2 incidents on a CF5 / Windows 2000 server this morning that are making me real neverous. 1) Went to add a new CFX tag in the CFAdmin and got the following error message: Error Diagnostic Information Unable to set the registry key hkey_local_machine\software\allaire\coldfusion\currentversion\CustomTags\ A problem was encountered trying to access the system registry. Error number 2 occurred - The specified registry key does not exist. Date/Time: 12/13/04 10:24:47 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) Remote Address: 127.0.0.1 HTTP Referrer: http://127.0.0.1/CFIDE/Administrator/extensions/cfxedit.cfm?type=cpp Query String: type=cpp Then, when I got out of the error ALL of my installed CFX tags are gone. Tried a restart on the machine, and when it came back up, I tried to get back into the CF Admin and it spawned a Windows Meida player which gave an error that index(1).asx was an invalid media stream. When I went into the IIS Admin all of the sites in IIS admin were stopped, and when I tried to start them I kept getting an error the IP address is already in use. In services I stopped all of the Windows Meida services and got that fixed, so at least sites that don't require CFX tags are running. Before I panic and drop the $499 to Allaire for a single incident of support, can anyone give any insight on this? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187368 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
If they're going to standardize it in BlackStone, more power to them, but HOW they're going to do it I'm not sure. Will they only support orphaned threads (threads which are created and launched but can't communicate back to the parent thread) or will they support a more complete model. I'm guessing that they will support being able to get a response from your spawned threads. As I said the actual practical uses for this kind of thing in a web application aren't all that common (think of the really good CF or ASP applications you've seen - none of them support this - I may be wrong, but I don't think PHP supports it either). So I would bet it will pretty simplistic support, not a full thread management model, but that's just a guess. PERL has supported spawning threads for a while. Not sure if it's been since the beginning or why it was included, but I know it's been available to them. Though I remember hearing that it's also sort of like handing a howitzer to a 10 yr old -- hard to know if the spawned PERL threads will consume the server if you're not the one programming them. s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=44477DE=1 http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=45569DE=1 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187351 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF5 Registry Errors
Allaire? That'll be an interesting support call... -Original Message- From: Steve Logan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 11:24 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF5 Registry Errors [snip] Before I panic and drop the $499 to Allaire for a single incident of support, can anyone give any insight on this? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187370 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SOT moving to FireFox
IE incorrectly implements the CSS box model, while FF (and other browsers) gets it right. Specifically, IE assumes the width you specify is for the actual content area of the elements box, while the CSS spec says that the width you specify is for the entire box (including padding, border, and margin). You've got that backwards. In CSS, the width does not include padding, border, and margin. In older versions of Internet Explorer, the padding and border were included in the width. So if you've got 5px of margin, a 1px border, and 4px of padding, your elements will be 10px wider than they should be. Or, if you're looking at it from the IE side, rather than the standards side, a standards compliant browser will show your boxes 10px smaller than you're used to. I believe this was all true pre version 6. It's also true if you're using quirks mode (see doctype switching). For more information: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnie60/html /cssenhancements.asp Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187353 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Using a J2EE Application Server
We too are having these issues.and we are contemplating the move to J2EE...Have you ran the IIS Lockdown tool? -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2004 15:31 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi. We are basically looking for a more robust platform on which to run CF. We have a site with about 500,000 page view per day and every now and again the CF server service will die and the only way we have found to get it running again is to kill the CF server threads (using the kill command) and then start it again, trying to stop the server doesn't work. Some else suggested to a college that using CF on the J2EE platform might help make it more robust, but we have zero experience of the J2EE platform and we where using looking for a basic intro into work it is, does and whether or not it might help. I understand the Apache is not a J2EE server, but I was wondering if the J2EE server replaces the web server (like Apache) or if you still use a web server as well. The server is Dual Xeon 2Ghz with 4Gb RAM and 80Gb IDE Hard Drive. The average load on the machine never gets to high, but the CF server just appears to full over sometimes. We are using CFMX6.1 + Updater, which has improved the stability slightly. Any ideas? Andrew On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:17:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Michael Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, Not sure what you're asking...Apache is not a J2EE server, however a J2EE server like Tomcat or JBoss can ride on top of Apache. Are you looking for a full blown J2EE server that does EJB or just a JSP Container? One thing a J2EE server architecture will give you is force you to separate presentation and logic, but the same can be said about Fusebox I suppose. Can you give more info? Thanks, Michael -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 9:56 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi All. I'm looking for a little bit of information. In what case would you use CFMX on a J2EE platform? We current have a server using CFMX Apache on RedHat. What does using the J2EE platform give me and do the J2EE replace Apache as the webserver or do you still need that? Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Best Regards Andrew. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187372 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF5 Registry Errors
Has someone installed another webserver? if the ip is already in use have you gone to localhost to see what is there? also are you running a virus checker? MD On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:34:17 +0800, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allaire? That'll be an interesting support call... -Original Message- From: Steve Logan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 11:24 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF5 Registry Errors [snip] Before I panic and drop the $499 to Allaire for a single incident of support, can anyone give any insight on this? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187373 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Using a J2EE Application Server
We are on a Redhat Linux box, so the IIS Lockdown tool is not going to do much, but I have used on a Window box before and it causes lots of problems!!! Andrew. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:30:12 -, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We too are having these issues.and we are contemplating the move to J2EE...Have you ran the IIS Lockdown tool? -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2004 15:31 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi. We are basically looking for a more robust platform on which to run CF. We have a site with about 500,000 page view per day and every now and again the CF server service will die and the only way we have found to get it running again is to kill the CF server threads (using the kill command) and then start it again, trying to stop the server doesn't work. Some else suggested to a college that using CF on the J2EE platform might help make it more robust, but we have zero experience of the J2EE platform and we where using looking for a basic intro into work it is, does and whether or not it might help. I understand the Apache is not a J2EE server, but I was wondering if the J2EE server replaces the web server (like Apache) or if you still use a web server as well. The server is Dual Xeon 2Ghz with 4Gb RAM and 80Gb IDE Hard Drive. The average load on the machine never gets to high, but the CF server just appears to full over sometimes. We are using CFMX6.1 + Updater, which has improved the stability slightly. Any ideas? Andrew On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:17:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Michael Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, Not sure what you're asking...Apache is not a J2EE server, however a J2EE server like Tomcat or JBoss can ride on top of Apache. Are you looking for a full blown J2EE server that does EJB or just a JSP Container? One thing a J2EE server architecture will give you is force you to separate presentation and logic, but the same can be said about Fusebox I suppose. Can you give more info? Thanks, Michael -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 9:56 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi All. I'm looking for a little bit of information. In what case would you use CFMX on a J2EE platform? We current have a server using CFMX Apache on RedHat. What does using the J2EE platform give me and do the J2EE replace Apache as the webserver or do you still need that? Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Best Regards Andrew. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187375 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: variables... to prefix or not to prefix
I tend to prefix only complex types: qQuery sStruct aArray oObjectInstance -joe On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:02:39 -0500, Tangorre, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity, who prefixes their variables with a data type abbreviation... integer - intVariableName numeric - numVariableName string - strVariableName structure - stcVariableName array - arrVariableName object - objVariableName query - qryVariableName etc... We are ever expanding our best practices and guideline documents and this is an agenda point up for discussion soon... I want to some in with some pros and cons. At first glance, the code becomes more descriptive but I do see and have run into, many problems such as passing around URL params.. do you really want to give anymore information than necessary into the type of data within a variable? What about if you encrypt variables?... The number 1 could be viewed as URL.intSomeId but once encrypted it is no longer an interger it is a string URL.strSomeId, this only touches the tip here. Anyone have anything to offer on this topic? Thanks. Mike ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187377 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Using a J2EE Application Server
Ok I gotcha now :) Technically yes J2EE server can function as a webserver, but I wouldn't recommend doing that because its really not what it's meant to do. As far as the comment that was made to you it seems like they are confusing J2EE and Apache. Yes you could have CF ride on top of Apache however I don't think you can serve it on top of that. I don't think there are connectors available to do so. (I did a quick look up for Tomcat, JBoss, Weblogic, or WebSphere and didnt see them available) I definitely think that if you wanted to do anything on J2EE server I'd recommend using JSPs and Servlets. Thanks, Michael -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi. We are basically looking for a more robust platform on which to run CF. We have a site with about 500,000 page view per day and every now and again the CF server service will die and the only way we have found to get it running again is to kill the CF server threads (using the kill command) and then start it again, trying to stop the server doesn't work. Some else suggested to a college that using CF on the J2EE platform might help make it more robust, but we have zero experience of the J2EE platform and we where using looking for a basic intro into work it is, does and whether or not it might help. I understand the Apache is not a J2EE server, but I was wondering if the J2EE server replaces the web server (like Apache) or if you still use a web server as well. The server is Dual Xeon 2Ghz with 4Gb RAM and 80Gb IDE Hard Drive. The average load on the machine never gets to high, but the CF server just appears to full over sometimes. We are using CFMX6.1 + Updater, which has improved the stability slightly. Any ideas? Andrew On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:17:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Michael Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, Not sure what you're asking...Apache is not a J2EE server, however a J2EE server like Tomcat or JBoss can ride on top of Apache. Are you looking for a full blown J2EE server that does EJB or just a JSP Container? One thing a J2EE server architecture will give you is force you to separate presentation and logic, but the same can be said about Fusebox I suppose. Can you give more info? Thanks, Michael -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 9:56 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi All. I'm looking for a little bit of information. In what case would you use CFMX on a J2EE platform? We current have a server using CFMX Apache on RedHat. What does using the J2EE platform give me and do the J2EE replace Apache as the webserver or do you still need that? Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Best Regards Andrew. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187379 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Using a J2EE Application Server
Is migrating your app to JSP/Servlets a possibility? -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Using a J2EE Application Server We are on a Redhat Linux box, so the IIS Lockdown tool is not going to do much, but I have used on a Window box before and it causes lots of problems!!! Andrew. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:30:12 -, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We too are having these issues.and we are contemplating the move to J2EE...Have you ran the IIS Lockdown tool? -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2004 15:31 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi. We are basically looking for a more robust platform on which to run CF. We have a site with about 500,000 page view per day and every now and again the CF server service will die and the only way we have found to get it running again is to kill the CF server threads (using the kill command) and then start it again, trying to stop the server doesn't work. Some else suggested to a college that using CF on the J2EE platform might help make it more robust, but we have zero experience of the J2EE platform and we where using looking for a basic intro into work it is, does and whether or not it might help. I understand the Apache is not a J2EE server, but I was wondering if the J2EE server replaces the web server (like Apache) or if you still use a web server as well. The server is Dual Xeon 2Ghz with 4Gb RAM and 80Gb IDE Hard Drive. The average load on the machine never gets to high, but the CF server just appears to full over sometimes. We are using CFMX6.1 + Updater, which has improved the stability slightly. Any ideas? Andrew On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:17:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Michael Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, Not sure what you're asking...Apache is not a J2EE server, however a J2EE server like Tomcat or JBoss can ride on top of Apache. Are you looking for a full blown J2EE server that does EJB or just a JSP Container? One thing a J2EE server architecture will give you is force you to separate presentation and logic, but the same can be said about Fusebox I suppose. Can you give more info? Thanks, Michael -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 9:56 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi All. I'm looking for a little bit of information. In what case would you use CFMX on a J2EE platform? We current have a server using CFMX Apache on RedHat. What does using the J2EE platform give me and do the J2EE replace Apache as the webserver or do you still need that? Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Best Regards Andrew. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187380 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Re: Using a J2EE Application Server
I think you are right and that they didn't really understand what they where talking about. I've been doing some digging about and I'm heading towards think that problem lays with the Apache connector. I might look into using the CF built in web server, anyone had any experience of doing it that way? Andrew. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:40:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Michael Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I gotcha now :) Technically yes J2EE server can function as a webserver, but I wouldn't recommend doing that because its really not what it's meant to do. As far as the comment that was made to you it seems like they are confusing J2EE and Apache. Yes you could have CF ride on top of Apache however I don't think you can serve it on top of that. I don't think there are connectors available to do so. (I did a quick look up for Tomcat, JBoss, Weblogic, or WebSphere and didnt see them available) I definitely think that if you wanted to do anything on J2EE server I'd recommend using JSPs and Servlets. Thanks, Michael -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi. We are basically looking for a more robust platform on which to run CF. We have a site with about 500,000 page view per day and every now and again the CF server service will die and the only way we have found to get it running again is to kill the CF server threads (using the kill command) and then start it again, trying to stop the server doesn't work. Some else suggested to a college that using CF on the J2EE platform might help make it more robust, but we have zero experience of the J2EE platform and we where using looking for a basic intro into work it is, does and whether or not it might help. I understand the Apache is not a J2EE server, but I was wondering if the J2EE server replaces the web server (like Apache) or if you still use a web server as well. The server is Dual Xeon 2Ghz with 4Gb RAM and 80Gb IDE Hard Drive. The average load on the machine never gets to high, but the CF server just appears to full over sometimes. We are using CFMX6.1 + Updater, which has improved the stability slightly. Any ideas? Andrew On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:17:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Michael Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, Not sure what you're asking...Apache is not a J2EE server, however a J2EE server like Tomcat or JBoss can ride on top of Apache. Are you looking for a full blown J2EE server that does EJB or just a JSP Container? One thing a J2EE server architecture will give you is force you to separate presentation and logic, but the same can be said about Fusebox I suppose. Can you give more info? Thanks, Michael -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 9:56 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi All. I'm looking for a little bit of information. In what case would you use CFMX on a J2EE platform? We current have a server using CFMX Apache on RedHat. What does using the J2EE platform give me and do the J2EE replace Apache as the webserver or do you still need that? Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Best Regards Andrew. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187383 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Using a J2EE Application Server
Not really. Someone else suggested moving it to PHP, which we have some experience with, so I think if it was a re-write it would go down that route. Andrew. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:42:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Michael Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is migrating your app to JSP/Servlets a possibility? -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Using a J2EE Application Server We are on a Redhat Linux box, so the IIS Lockdown tool is not going to do much, but I have used on a Window box before and it causes lots of problems!!! Andrew. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:30:12 -, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We too are having these issues.and we are contemplating the move to J2EE...Have you ran the IIS Lockdown tool? -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2004 15:31 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi. We are basically looking for a more robust platform on which to run CF. We have a site with about 500,000 page view per day and every now and again the CF server service will die and the only way we have found to get it running again is to kill the CF server threads (using the kill command) and then start it again, trying to stop the server doesn't work. Some else suggested to a college that using CF on the J2EE platform might help make it more robust, but we have zero experience of the J2EE platform and we where using looking for a basic intro into work it is, does and whether or not it might help. I understand the Apache is not a J2EE server, but I was wondering if the J2EE server replaces the web server (like Apache) or if you still use a web server as well. The server is Dual Xeon 2Ghz with 4Gb RAM and 80Gb IDE Hard Drive. The average load on the machine never gets to high, but the CF server just appears to full over sometimes. We are using CFMX6.1 + Updater, which has improved the stability slightly. Any ideas? Andrew On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:17:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Michael Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, Not sure what you're asking...Apache is not a J2EE server, however a J2EE server like Tomcat or JBoss can ride on top of Apache. Are you looking for a full blown J2EE server that does EJB or just a JSP Container? One thing a J2EE server architecture will give you is force you to separate presentation and logic, but the same can be said about Fusebox I suppose. Can you give more info? Thanks, Michael -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 9:56 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi All. I'm looking for a little bit of information. In what case would you use CFMX on a J2EE platform? We current have a server using CFMX Apache on RedHat. What does using the J2EE platform give me and do the J2EE replace Apache as the webserver or do you still need that? Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Best Regards Andrew. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187384 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Using a J2EE Application Server
If you choose to rewrite in something other than CF and if you dont have a need for multithreading or if its a small application that might be better than Java :) -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Using a J2EE Application Server Not really. Someone else suggested moving it to PHP, which we have some experience with, so I think if it was a re-write it would go down that route. Andrew. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:42:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Michael Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is migrating your app to JSP/Servlets a possibility? -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Using a J2EE Application Server We are on a Redhat Linux box, so the IIS Lockdown tool is not going to do much, but I have used on a Window box before and it causes lots of problems!!! Andrew. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:30:12 -, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We too are having these issues.and we are contemplating the move to J2EE...Have you ran the IIS Lockdown tool? -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2004 15:31 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi. We are basically looking for a more robust platform on which to run CF. We have a site with about 500,000 page view per day and every now and again the CF server service will die and the only way we have found to get it running again is to kill the CF server threads (using the kill command) and then start it again, trying to stop the server doesn't work. Some else suggested to a college that using CF on the J2EE platform might help make it more robust, but we have zero experience of the J2EE platform and we where using looking for a basic intro into work it is, does and whether or not it might help. I understand the Apache is not a J2EE server, but I was wondering if the J2EE server replaces the web server (like Apache) or if you still use a web server as well. The server is Dual Xeon 2Ghz with 4Gb RAM and 80Gb IDE Hard Drive. The average load on the machine never gets to high, but the CF server just appears to full over sometimes. We are using CFMX6.1 + Updater, which has improved the stability slightly. Any ideas? Andrew On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:17:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Michael Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, Not sure what you're asking...Apache is not a J2EE server, however a J2EE server like Tomcat or JBoss can ride on top of Apache. Are you looking for a full blown J2EE server that does EJB or just a JSP Container? One thing a J2EE server architecture will give you is force you to separate presentation and logic, but the same can be said about Fusebox I suppose. Can you give more info? Thanks, Michael -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 9:56 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi All. I'm looking for a little bit of information. In what case would you use CFMX on a J2EE platform? We current have a server using CFMX Apache on RedHat. What does using the J2EE platform give me and do the J2EE replace Apache as the webserver or do you still need that? Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Best Regards Andrew. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187386 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SOT moving to FireFox
Michael the Tantek hack is one of the most ugliest hacks available for many reasons (for ex. future use of working selectors) :) People think the standard doctype is the best decision, working with standards, giving them the idea of being innovative and future driven.. you are being fooled by IE. The best doctype currently for IE is still IE 4.0, read more about it on www.annevankesteren.nl. The biggest mistake of the entire doctype thing going on is people who haven't got a clue about what the doctype actually means, or what doctypes browsers support. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187388 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SOT moving to FireFox
If you force IE 6 into quirks mode, you still have to hack the box
model--in quirks mode you'll just be lumping IE 6 in with the hack. The
simple method of doing this is:
Quirks mode allows developers to maintain backwards compatibility and avoid
all those really ugly hacks you included in your message. The problem with
the hacks is that they all rely on implementation bugs. If this were object
oriented programming, the phrase would be program to the interface, not the
implementation.
You could also use conditional comments to feed any version of IE
selectors, properties, and values as necessary:
I agree with the use of conditional comments as override mechanism for the
reasons you mention. It's important to note the difference between this and
the other hacks you described: this is a documented feature. As such, you
can rely on it. It's also semantically clear.
Standards mode for IE 6 is not too buggy for production. I'll agree it's
not even close to perfect, but it is a step in the right direction and a
far cry better than IE 5.x's poor CSS support.
My interpretation of what Micha was saying is that trying to use standards
mode (as opposed to quirks mode), brings out the bugs and odd behavior in
older browsers. This leads to more development time and ugly hacks like the
ones you mentioned. Of course, I may have misunderstood Micha. :)
Ben Rogers
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!--[if IE 5]
link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=css/ie-5.x.css /
![endif]--
Which would contain:
#myBox {
width: 222px;
}
Using conditional comments allows you to keep all of your IE specific
CSS in one stylesheet, helps to avoid using hacks in your main
stylesheet, and improves the shelf life of the document.
Standards mode for IE 6 is not too buggy for production. I'll agree it's
not even close to perfect, but it is a step in the right direction and a
far cry better than IE 5.x's poor CSS support.
--
Best regards,
Michael Wilson
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Re: Coldfusion tag prefixes
Other people have answered, but just as a random FYI, you can also use cfa_foo to call custom tags, but the custom tag must be named cfa_foo.cfm, not foo.fm. This was used in Spectra days and I'm mostly sure it still works in MX. Don't do this though, I'm just sharing a bit of random info. :) On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:36:36 +1100, Stephen Cowling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it all possible to create your own tag prefix? Instead of using cf_ to get to custom tags. the reason I ask, is to try and reduce the amount of cfinvoke component=myComponent method=setBlah cfinvokeargument name=blah cfinvokeargument name2=blah cfinvokeargument name3=blah cfinvokeargument name4=blah cfinvokeargument name5=blah ... etc That needs to be called. I know I could cfinclude it, but I thought a more elegant way would be to have say, blah:set name=blah name2=blah name3=blah name4=blah name5=blah Or am I barking mad? Steve -- ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187363 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SOT moving to FireFox
Prior to IE6, the boxmodel of IE was build upon the idea margin+padding+border were included in the width. Are you sure? I believe it included padding and border but not margin, but I haven't actually tested to verify this. Again, I'm basing my information off of the following page: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnie60/html /cssenhancements.asp When the !DOCTYPE declaration does not switch on standards-compliant mode, as with earlier versions of Internet Explorer, the width property includes the object's content box, plus the values of the following properties: border-left, border-right, padding-left, and padding-right. Subtracting the sum of the values of these properties from the value of the width property equals the width of the parent object's content box. Likewise, subtracting the sum of the values of the border-top, border-bottom, padding-top, and padding-bottom properties from the value of the height property equals the height of the parent object's content box. The box model can be workaround by not using width/height in combination with padding/margin. So add an extra nesting to prevent boxmodel issues, or change the boxmodel rendering with the css properties created for it. That's an interesting approach. I don't know why this hadn't occurred to me before, especially since I used to something similar for Netscape 4.x browsers. This model however can be suppressed by forcing IE into quirks. I would recommend it to everyone, since standards mode is to buggy for production. Is standards mode really buggy in this respect or does it just not degrade gracefully in older browsers? In any case, I agree that using quirks mode is the way to go for the time being. I use the following doctype, and I run into surprisingly few cross-browser, cross-platform or backwards compatibility issues: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187364 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: variables... to prefix or not to prefix
We never use prefixes in our codes for simple values since CF is typeless. We usually don't use prefixes for complex values too. Follow the most popular coding guidelines: http://livedocs.macromedia.com/wtg/public/coding_standards/ Murat. -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2004 15:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: variables... to prefix or not to prefix Just out of curiosity, who prefixes their variables with a data type abbreviation... integer - intVariableName numeric - numVariableName string - strVariableName structure - stcVariableName array - arrVariableName object - objVariableName query - qryVariableName etc... We are ever expanding our best practices and guideline documents and this is an agenda point up for discussion soon... I want to some in with some pros and cons. At first glance, the code becomes more descriptive but I do see and have run into, many problems such as passing around URL params.. do you really want to give anymore information than necessary into the type of data within a variable? What about if you encrypt variables?... The number 1 could be viewed as URL.intSomeId but once encrypted it is no longer an interger it is a string URL.strSomeId, this only touches the tip here. Anyone have anything to offer on this topic? Thanks. Mike ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187390 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: (Admin) Please test
Thanks. Should be fixed now. Was a caching issue. I clicked the Message link ( Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187331 below) and it returns: No messages found for this thread ID. The URL was translated to http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/messages.cfm/threadid:187331/forumid:4 Netscape, Win2K Aaron - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: (Admin) Please test All HoF resources are now 100% Blackstone. If you can do me a favor and test out various links and sections, I'd appreciate it. I think I've done them all, but there may be something I've missed. Thanks ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187392 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Coldfusion tag prefixes
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:33:17 -0800, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the 'taglib' attribute to CFIMPORT is a directory. You then reference the files in the directory using the prefix. So if you do this: cfimport prefix=name taglib=path/to/my/custom/tags / then you can call the custom tag named mytag.cfm inside the path/to/my/custom/tags directory like this: name:mytag ... / CFIMPORT is nothing more than an alternate way to call custom tags, with much greater specificity than using custom tag paths from the administrator. it also lets you call JSP custom tags, but that's a bit of a different topic. One small point of clarification on this statement. While cfimport is an alternate way of calling custom tags, it should be noted that cfimport is a *compile-time* directive, and, as such, can offer performance improvements to your application (yes, it's minimal, but still). The one drawback is that you can't have a variable name in the cfimport taglib attribute because CF needs to know up front what the value is. The cf_* and cfmodule tags do run-time lookups of the requested tag, which allow you to store the directory path (if using cfmodule) in an application variable and use that variable as the path to the tag. Further, if you use cfimport, the directive must be directly on the page that you are calling that particular tag (as opposed to cfinclude-ing a page that makes a reference to the custom tag). Regards, Dave. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187393 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: SOT moving to FireFox
Micha Schopman wrote:
This model however can be suppressed by forcing IE into quirks. I would
recommend it to everyone, since standards mode is to buggy for
production.
I can't agree with the force IE into quirks suggestion. Working around
the box model is just to easy to justify making IE even less standards
compliant than it already is. I've been using CSS, rather than tables,
for positioning and presentation for some time now and while forcing IE
6 into quirks mode might solve some problems found in IE, it doesn't
make the overall process any easier or less buggy.
If you force IE 6 into quirks mode, you still have to hack the box
model--in quirks mode you'll just be lumping IE 6 in with the hack. The
simple method of doing this is:
#myBox {
border: 1px solid #333;
margin: 5px;
padding: 5px;
width: 200px;
\width: 222px; /* All IE width */
}
However, you can hack the box model for only IE 5.x easily enough using:
#myBox {
border: 1px solid #333;
margin: 5px;
padding: 5px;
width: 200px; /* For browsers that don't understand escapes */
\width: 222px; /* IE 5.x width */
w\idth: 200px; /* IE 6 and other modern browsers' width */
}
You could also use conditional comments to feed any version of IE
selectors, properties, and values as necessary:
!--[if IE 5]
link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=css/ie-5.x.css /
![endif]--
Which would contain:
#myBox {
width: 222px;
}
Using conditional comments allows you to keep all of your IE specific
CSS in one stylesheet, helps to avoid using hacks in your main
stylesheet, and improves the shelf life of the document.
Standards mode for IE 6 is not too buggy for production. I'll agree it's
not even close to perfect, but it is a step in the right direction and a
far cry better than IE 5.x's poor CSS support.
--
Best regards,
Michael Wilson
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Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Let's say I have a website I want to cluster on 10 servers. With CF, that's 10 production licenses at whatever cost you can find CF at. With .NET, it's zero cost, so there can be some additional cost savings. Also, no matter what way you cut it, CF Enterprise is quite expensive. Also, only development licenses are free. QA, staging, and test licenses are not with CF, unfortunately. Regarding the relative costs of the expensive ColdFusion and the free other technologies, I have a statement from a colleague in another organisation, which I'll be posting separately. I told him about a site I'd just about finished in ColdFusion and he told me he was amazed. That I'd done my site in about 70 hours with another 40hours or so to finish it , and he had done a similar site in Free PHP - it had taken two of them (part time) two years to build. Let's assume for the sake of argument that all people working on these sites are costing $50/hour either as paid contractors or as employees including on-costs.I built my site, using expensive ColdFusion for $3500 plus a cold fusion server at perhaps $1200 - total $4700. They built their site using free PHP for (say) two people at 600 hours each - that's $60,000!! But they got the server software for free. Saved a big bunch there by going with the 'free' one didn't they. .Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187397 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SOT moving to FireFox
Just a little hint here. If you're trying to develop using a specific doctype on a devnet version of CF, use cfcontent type=text/html/ at the top of your page. Otherwise, the devnet meta tag skews the doctype definition up. -Original Message- From: Michael Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT moving to FireFox Ben Rogers wrote: Quirks mode allows developers to maintain backwards compatibility and avoid all those really ugly hacks you included in your message. The problem with the hacks is that they all rely on implementation bugs. If this were object oriented programming, the phrase would be program to the interface, not the implementation. Quirks mode also prevents developers from utilizing the standards advances and CSS support in IE 6. In addition, it only allows backwards compatibility in IE, which says nothing of more modern browsers like Mozilla and Firefox, which don't suffer from many of these problems. As I said before, regardless of which method you choose, you will still have to work around IE's broken box model--you can do it for just IE 5.x or you can do it for IE 5+, but quirks mode doesn't fix the problem; it compounds it. I don't like hacking and I avoid it whenever possible; however, there are times when you have to weigh the distaste of the hack against the desire for accessibility and standards--either way I don't care, I was just clarifying. I agree with the use of conditional comments as override mechanism for the reasons you mention. It's important to note the difference between this and the other hacks you described: this is a documented feature. As such, you can rely on it. It's also semantically clear. You can rely on the hacks to a great extent. The only caveats being that someone decides to create a browser that doesn't fully understand escapes (w\idth) and supporting NN 4.x, which is easily worked around using the @import method. My interpretation of what Micha was saying is that trying to use standards mode (as opposed to quirks mode), brings out the bugs and odd behavior in older browsers. This leads to more development time and ugly hacks like the ones you mentioned. Of course, I may have misunderstood Micha. :) Using standards mode may very well highlight the bugs in older browsers... but that's because standards mode is obviously a better implementation of the specs and we are bound to see the flaws of older browsers more easily. The need to use an *ugly hack* to correct an older browser's shortcomings should not be the basis for breaking a newer browser so we don't notice those bugs. You call it backwards compatibility and I'll call it backwards thinking. Either way I have no problems at all developing for IE 6 in standards mode, while maintaining support for IE 5.x. -- Best regards, Michael Wilson ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187398 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SOT moving to FireFox
Nope you are right .. I had to learn using quirks mode the hard way. During the creation of hundreds of css layouts we quickly figured out IE truly sucked when not in quirks mode. The bugs, were related to relative, absolute positioning, margins, paddings, canvas measurements, and oh much more. For the average simple blog you won't notice a lot of the problems, but creating stuffed dynamic UI's combined with javascript and keeping that CSS, that's is on the edge work for IE. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187391 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: variables... to prefix or not to prefix
I prefix my variables. It helps with reading the code and debugging, especially when someone who didn't write the code is doing the reading or debugging. I even prefix parameters for custom tags with p_ (attributes.p_blnDebug for example). Different strokes for different folks I guess. Anyway, here's another reason for prefixes: a coworker used to have problems naming variables with reserved words. Using prefixes kills this problem. J -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: variables... to prefix or not to prefix Just out of curiosity, who prefixes their variables with a data type abbreviation... integer - intVariableName numeric - numVariableName string - strVariableName structure - stcVariableName array - arrVariableName object - objVariableName query - qryVariableName etc... We are ever expanding our best practices and guideline documents and this is an agenda point up for discussion soon... I want to some in with some pros and cons. At first glance, the code becomes more descriptive but I do see and have run into, many problems such as passing around URL params.. do you really want to give anymore information than necessary into the type of data within a variable? What about if you encrypt variables?... The number 1 could be viewed as URL.intSomeId but once encrypted it is no longer an interger it is a string URL.strSomeId, this only touches the tip here. Anyone have anything to offer on this topic? Thanks. Mike ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187402 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: variables... to prefix or not to prefix
I take it a step further and prefix all my internal var variables within a function with $ so there's never a question of where the variable belongs. Its internal only. CFSET var $Internal=whatever ($ has been allowed as in variables and as the prefix for variables since MX shipped) I also use single letter prefixes for all my variables in general. i-int b-boolean q-query etc. I prefix my variables. It helps with reading the code and debugging, especially when someone who didn't write the code is doing the reading or debugging. I even prefix parameters for custom tags with p_ (attributes.p_blnDebug for example). Different strokes for different folks I guess. Anyway, here's another reason for prefixes: a coworker used to have problems naming variables with reserved words. Using prefixes kills this problem. J Just out of curiosity, who prefixes their variables with a data type abbreviation... integer - intVariableName numeric - numVariableName string - strVariableName structure - stcVariableName array - arrVariableName object - objVariableName query - qryVariableName etc... We are ever expanding our best practices and guideline documents and this is an agenda point up for discussion soon... I want to some in with some pros and cons. At first glance, the code becomes more descriptive but I do see and have run into, many problems such as passing around URL params.. do you really want to give anymore information than necessary into the type of data within a variable? What about if you encrypt variables?... The number 1 could be viewed as URL.intSomeId but once encrypted it is no longer an interger it is a string URL.strSomeId, this only touches the tip here. Anyone have anything to offer on this topic? Thanks. Mike ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187406 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Kwang Suh wrote: One thing that depresses me about the CF community is their incredible defensiveness, even from MM. If you only take the opinions from people who have subscribed to a relatively high volume mailing list called CF-Talk you'd be very naive to expect anything else. Would you expect to see a lot of support for a .NET is better than PHP type of post in the PHP mailing lists. I somehow doubt it. Posting questions about the relative merit of .NET vs CF on this list will undoubtedly get you a lot of responses that are skewed towards CF, but you may find a few people who have some balanced opinions and experience to share. Posting a message that tells everyone on the list that they are asleep and that they are deluded if they think CF is better than .NET is bound to ruffle a lot of feathers. When .NET came out, and people started to use and understand it better, the Java community did what every CF person should be doing: they learned .NET. And then they deconstructed it. And then they asked themselves: What can we take from .NET to make Java better Really? I'd not heard that before. Can you point me to some of the sources where you got that information? There have certainly been changes for the better in the Java and J2EE world, but I'm not convinced that they were as a direct response to .NET. They realized that JSP was too simple, and that it didn't include enough base functionality. They realized that making custom tags in JSP was too hard. They realized that frameworks like Struts and JSF weren't perhaps the road to go down. They realized that it was too unwieldly to configure and deploy Java servers, and that it brought no real benefits the way they did it. They realized that EJBs were too hard to design, and for no good reason. They realized that in order to keep Java as a first class development platform, they had to fix these problems, and add more features as they went along. Not just one or two cool features that Sun would provide on high as determined by their marketing department, but real things that would matter on a day to day basis from a developer's point of view. I'd pretty much agree with the above statements, but I don't think they happened because of .NET. I think they happened because the customers and community were braying like a herd of donkeys that it needed to be improved. One day, I'd like to see the CF community do that. There's a few people out there that do that, and Will's semi-rant is a vent not just at MM, but the people that use CF that seem to want to defend it to the death, and the verocity at chiding people who want to see CF change and improve. What exactly is it that's too simple, hard, unweildy about CFMX that so desperately needs fixing? I'm curious. I wonder how many people on this list said, before CFMX came out, and before Neo was a twinkle in anyone's eye: CF should be written in Java. I'd say no one. This is not a place for change. I know a few people certainly would have said that quite a long time ago. When Neo first became an twinkle in someone's eye is pretty hard to gauge, but back in late 1998 Live Software were working on CF_Anywhere which was the first sign of a CFML execution engine written in Java. In 2000 n-ary were working on TagFusion which later became New Atlanta's BlueDragon. Both of those were before the official Neo announcement at the 2001 DevCon and I know that they were discussed on this list pretty early in their development cycles. http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=m:4:646:2872 Besides that, I don't really see what point you're trying to make. Even if no-one on this list suggested that CF should be written in Java, why should that mean that this list is not a place for change? By that reasoning the fact that no-one else (or at least not many) foresaw the popularity of the I-Pod would mean that no-one but Steve Jobs has the foresight for change. Spike ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187407 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: select next/previous *record*?
Don't you need to know something else if you use Last Name as the index? What if there are multiple John Smith's? I haven't actually done this, but what if you pulled all records with the last name they selected, then used array notation to pull the ID from the record before and after the current record? Too bad databases don't generally have a numeric, sequential record number like ColdFusion's query object (currentRow variable). -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 1:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: select next/previous *record*? Quick question...are ya using DreamweaverMX? Nope. Another complication I didn't mentuion before is the user has the ability to select which index is current, so they might be indexing on ID, and cycling up and down thru the numbers, or one of several other fields, such as Last Name. I'm working thru that now. Don't see how it would work in the ID-based example. -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187409 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Limiting SQL Results
SELECT blablabla FROM blabla GROUP BY ID Try... Cheers Marco On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:59:34 -, James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, heres the thing. I have a table (actually multiple tables joined but for simplicity here we will call it one table) that looks something like... ID ISBN -- 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 2 6 2 7 2 8 3 9 4 10 4 11 4 12 1 13 5 In the results I need no more than 2 of any ISBN, so for the above data I need the results of the query to look like... ID ISBN -- 1 1 2 1 5 2 6 2 8 3 9 4 10 4 13 5 The rest of thae data is irelevent, I don't care which two are returned. I am using MySQL on 2k3 server. Any help on the SQL here? -- Jay ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187408 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
One thing that depresses me about the CF community is their incredible defensiveness, even from MM. When .NET came out, and people started to use and understand it better, the Java community did what every CF person should be doing: they learned .NET. And then they deconstructed it. And then they asked themselves: What can we take from .NET to make Java better They realized that JSP was too simple, and that it didn't include enough base functionality. They realized that making custom tags in JSP was too hard. They realized that frameworks like Struts and JSF weren't perhaps the road to go down. They realized that it was too unwieldly to configure and deploy Java servers, and that it brought no real benefits the way they did it. They realized that EJBs were too hard to design, and for no good reason. They realized that in order to keep Java as a first class development platform, they had to fix these problems, and add more features as they went along. Not just one or two cool features that Sun would provide on high as determined by their marketing department, but real things that would matter on a day to day basis from a developer's point of view. One day, I'd like to see the CF community do that. There's a few people out there that do that, and Will's semi-rant is a vent not just at MM, but the people that use CF that seem to want to defend it to the death, and the verocity at chiding people who want to see CF change and improve. I'm curious. I wonder how many people on this list said, before CFMX came out, and before Neo was a twinkle in anyone's eye: CF should be written in Java. I'd say no one. This is not a place for change. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187399 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: variables... to prefix or not to prefix
I generally do this when I'm working with arrays of structures and crap, like: arrMonth[31] = structDay; Way back in college, (6 months ago), we used to do it for everything - but it mattered a lot more when we were using very strictly typed languages. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187410 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Kwang Suh wrote: Let's say I have a website I want to cluster on 10 servers. With CF, that's 10 production licenses at whatever cost you can find CF at. With .NET, it's zero cost, so there can be some additional cost savings. I'd like to see the total cost break-down for a site that was so large it required 10 clustered servers. I doubt the bottom line would move perceptibly if you switched from CF to a free option. Also, no matter what way you cut it, CF Enterprise is quite expensive. If you're a child at school, a new mountain bike costing $200 is expensive. If you're a student at college, a new car costing $5000 is expensive. If you're a medium sized shipping company, a new truck costing $100,000 is expensive. If you're a multinational shipping company, a new jet costing $10,000,000 is expensive. The numbers may not be spot on, but you get the general idea. Expensive is not an absolute term. It depends on the nature of what you're doing. A multinational shipping company is the only one I'd expect to require 10 clustered CF servers to run their app, and that app would probably be saving them an amount of money that is enormous when compared to the $60,000 one time cost of the CF licenses. Also, only development licenses are free. QA, staging, and test licenses are not with CF, unfortunately. Again, whether this is actually expensive to your company depends on the size of your company and what you want to use the app for. Regarding the relative costs of the expensive ColdFusion and the free other technologies, I have a statement from a colleague in another organisation, which I'll be posting separately. I told him about a site I'd just about finished in ColdFusion and he told me he was amazed. That I'd done my site in about 70 hours with another 40hours or so to finish it , and he had done a similar site in Free PHP - it had taken two of them (part time) two years to build. Let's assume for the sake of argument that all people working on these sites are costing $50/hour either as paid contractors or as employees including on-costs.I built my site, using expensive ColdFusion for $3500 plus a cold fusion server at perhaps $1200 - total $4700. They built their site using free PHP for (say) two people at 600 hours each - that's $60,000!! But they got the server software for free. Saved a big bunch there by going with the 'free' one didn't they. .Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187411 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Copy Or Transfer Selected Records From One Table To Another Table?
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:36:51 -0600, Nick Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the most efficient way to copy or transfer selected records from one table to another table with the same structure?. I.e., all records within a certain date range. Select and Insert seems be a very laborious method. cfquery name=myQuery datasource=myDSN INSERT INTO myNewTable( column1, column2 ) SELECT column1, column2 FROM myOldTable WHERE date_column = '01/01/2004' AND date_column = '02/01/2004' cfquery (I'd use cfqueryparam for the dates, but this is for simplicity-sake.) Regards, Dave. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187414 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: variables... to prefix or not to prefix
Hadn't thought about the reserved words issue. Very good point! On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Jerry Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefix my variables. It helps with reading the code and debugging, especially when someone who didn't write the code is doing the reading or debugging. I even prefix parameters for custom tags with p_ (attributes.p_blnDebug for example). Different strokes for different folks I guess. Anyway, here's another reason for prefixes: a coworker used to have problems naming variables with reserved words. Using prefixes kills this problem. J -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: variables... to prefix or not to prefix Just out of curiosity, who prefixes their variables with a data type abbreviation... integer - intVariableName numeric - numVariableName string - strVariableName structure - stcVariableName array - arrVariableName object - objVariableName query - qryVariableName etc... We are ever expanding our best practices and guideline documents and this is an agenda point up for discussion soon... I want to some in with some pros and cons. At first glance, the code becomes more descriptive but I do see and have run into, many problems such as passing around URL params.. do you really want to give anymore information than necessary into the type of data within a variable? What about if you encrypt variables?... The number 1 could be viewed as URL.intSomeId but once encrypted it is no longer an interger it is a string URL.strSomeId, this only touches the tip here. Anyone have anything to offer on this topic? Thanks. Mike ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187404 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
If you need to do something like that you can easily write it in Java and call the java code from a CFML template. Ah yes, the old use Java when CF can't do it crutch. I though the whole point of CF was to make it easy for developers to develop. And everything else is hard/takes longer/is more expensive. So why do I want to use something hard like Java to do something in CF? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187418 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFDUMP var=variables shows custom functions?
I have an error tracker on my code that emails me a dump of just about everything. Today, on one site, I started including all of the CFLib.org files for all page requests rather than as needed. Nice idea, except that now my email error dumps are twenty times larger than before, all because the UDFs are listed in the 'variables' portion of the dump and list a complete function prototype. While this may be useful for some, I would prefer not to be receiving 1meg emails for each error. Is there any way to stop CFMX listing UDFs in the 'variables' scope? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187420 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Kwang Suh wrote: Let's say I have a website I want to cluster on 10 servers. With CF, that's 10 production licenses at whatever cost you can find CF at. With .NET, it's zero cost, so there can be some additional cost savings. I'd like to see the total cost break-down for a site that was so large it required 10 clustered servers. Hmm, Macromedia's for one. Not sure if has ten, but there's a quite a few there. Anandtech was running quite a few as well. There's William Sonoma. How about Toys'R'Us before they switched over? Pottery Barn. I doubt the bottom line would move perceptibly if you switched from CF to a free option. Proof? Also, no matter what way you cut it, CF Enterprise is quite expensive. If you're a child at school, a new mountain bike costing $200 is expensive. If you're a student at college, a new car costing $5000 is expensive. If you're a medium sized shipping company, a new truck costing $100,000 is expensive. If you're a multinational shipping company, a new jet costing $10,000,000 is expensive. The numbers may not be spot on, but you get the general idea. Expensive is not an absolute term. It depends on the nature of what you're doing. Yes, and for web development, CF Enterprise is expensive. And apparently every country in the world buys and sells in US$. A multinational shipping company is the only one I'd expect to require 10 clustered CF servers to run their app, and that app would probably be saving them an amount of money that is enormous when compared to the $60,000 one time cost of the CF licenses. Probably? Proof please. And, apparently Macromedia is a multinational shipping company. Also, only development licenses are free. QA, staging, and test licenses are not with CF, unfortunately. Again, whether this is actually expensive to your company depends on the size of your company and what you want to use the app for. Yeah, you're right. I don't need a QA server. Thanks for setting me straight on that. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187421 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Using a J2EE Application Server
Hi Andrew, Not sure what you're asking...Apache is not a J2EE server, however a J2EE server like Tomcat or JBoss can ride on top of Apache. Are you looking for a full blown J2EE server that does EJB or just a JSP Container? One thing a J2EE server architecture will give you is force you to separate presentation and logic, but the same can be said about Fusebox I suppose. Can you give more info? Thanks, Michael -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2004 9:56 AM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Using a J2EE Application Server Hi All. I'm looking for a little bit of information. In what case would you use CFMX on a J2EE platform? We current have a server using CFMX Apache on RedHat. What does using the J2EE platform give me and do the J2EE replace Apache as the webserver or do you still need that? Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Best Regards Andrew. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187365 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Kwang Suh wrote: One thing that depresses me about the CF community is their incredible defensiveness, even from MM. If you only take the opinions from people who have subscribed to a relatively high volume mailing list called CF-Talk you'd be very naive to expect anything else. Would you expect to see a lot of support for a .NET is better than PHP type of post in the PHP mailing lists. I somehow doubt it. Posting questions about the relative merit of .NET vs CF on this list will undoubtedly get you a lot of responses that are skewed towards CF, but you may find a few people who have some balanced opinions and experience to share. Posting a message that tells everyone on the list that they are asleep and that they are deluded if they think CF is better than .NET is bound to ruffle a lot of feathers. When .NET came out, and people started to use and understand it better, the Java community did what every CF person should be doing: they learned .NET. And then they deconstructed it. And then they asked themselves: What can we take from .NET to make Java better Really? I'd not heard that before. Can you point me to some of the sources where you got that information? JCP. There have certainly been changes for the better in the Java and J2EE world, but I'm not convinced that they were as a direct response to . NET. They realized that JSP was too simple, and that it didn't include enough base functionality. They realized that making custom tags in JSP was too hard. They realized that frameworks like Struts and JSF weren't perhaps the road to go down. They realized that it was too unwieldly to configure and deploy Java servers, and that it brought no real benefits the way they did it. They realized that EJBs were too hard to design, and for no good reason. They realized that in order to keep Java as a first class development platform, they had to fix these problems, and add more features as they went along. Not just one or two cool features that Sun would provide on high as determined by their marketing department, but real things that would matter on a day to day basis from a developer's point of view. I'd pretty much agree with the above statements, but I don't think they happened because of .NET. I think they happened because the customers and community were braying like a herd of donkeys that it needed to be improved. One day, I'd like to see the CF community do that. There's a few people out there that do that, and Will's semi-rant is a vent not just at MM, but the people that use CF that seem to want to defend it to the death, and the verocity at chiding people who want to see CF change and improve. What exactly is it that's too simple, hard, unweildy about CFMX that so desperately needs fixing? Who said anything about fixing? I'd like more functionality: I'd like to have cftransaction work across multiple databases. And allowed nested cftransactions. I'd like some other number type beside floating point. I'd like a concept of null type. I'd like to have CFCs have interfaces, constructors, overloaded methods, more obvious variable scoping. I'd like to have at least a collection CFC type. I'd like to have threads. Yes, yes, yes, I've filled out the damn wish form. I'm curious. I wonder how many people on this list said, before CFMX came out, and before Neo was a twinkle in anyone's eye: CF should be written in Java. I'd say no one. This is not a place for change. I know a few people certainly would have said that quite a long time ago. When Neo first became an twinkle in someone's eye is pretty hard to gauge, but back in late 1998 Live Software were working on CF_Anywhere which was the first sign of a CFML execution engine written in Java. In 2000 n-ary were working on TagFusion which later became New Atlanta's BlueDragon. Both of those were before the official Neo announcement at the 2001 DevCon and I know that they were discussed on this list pretty early in their development cycles. Not on this list. Thank you. Besides that, I don't really see what point you're trying to make. Even if no-one on this list suggested that CF should be written in Java, why should that mean that this list is not a place for change? Oh I dunno. Let's see what you've said: No one needs 10 web servers, except for multinational shipping corporations. The opportunity for a company to have a QA server is based not on need and things like good practices, but on how much money they have. Use Java for threading. Everything in CF works properly. I'm not sure how open minded that is. By that reasoning the fact that no-one else (or at least not many) foresaw the popularity of the I-Pod would mean that no-one but Steve Jobs has the foresight for change. Not sure how you jumped to that
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I'd like this, but I think there are a lot of people out there who do not fully understand what a null is and is not. -- Aaron Rouse http://www.happyhacker.com/ On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:21:42 -0400, Kwang Suh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a concept of null type ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187425 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Well, Excuse me! Kwang Suh wrote: If you need to do something like that you can easily write it in Java and call the java code from a CFML template. Ah yes, the old use Java when CF can't do it crutch. Please don't belittle my comments with such an offhand packaged response. I am try to respond in a reasonable and considered manner. The least you could do is return the courtesy. What is it that makes you think that it is a crutch? On the one hand you're berating CFML for it's lack of vision, and on the other you seem to be claiming that it's somehow cheating to use some of the very powerful things that CFMX makes available to you. I though the whole point of CF was to make it easy for developers to develop. And everything else is hard/takes longer/is more expensive. CF abstracts the complexity away from the developer. Some applications are more complex than others and although CF does an excellent job for the majority of cases, there are times when it is desirable to work at a lower level than CFML will allow. In those cases it is entirely reasonable to write that functionality in Java and call the java classes from a CFML template. There are quite a few benefits to this not least of which is that CFML stays simple enough to be an entry level language that is easy to debug and maintain, while still being powerful enough to be used in some of the largest and most complex applications around. I would guess that the vast majority of CFML developers will never need to write any java code. CFMX already provides them with all the tools they need to get the job done and in the cases where it doesn't, there are quite a few tools out there written in Java to fill the gaps and no shortage of developers who can write the necessary java code if you can't write it yourself. So why do I want to use something hard like Java to do something in CF? Because you're pushing the limits of what the application server is designed to do. The application server is designed to meet the needs of the majority of the customers. There will inevitbly be cases where that means that it isn't desirable or possible to implement some functionality in CFML itself. The pay off is that CFML stays approachable and simple to work with. I for one would be horrified if Macromedia decided to expose full thread management in CFML. Thread programming is relatively complex and you can easily tie the server in knots if you aren't careful. The point is that all the power you need is available to CF as long as you are prepared to accept that some things will need to be done in Java. Macromedia try pretty hard to make sure that those things are edge cases and don't impact the majority of their customers. If they didn't ColdFusion would have disappeared a long time ago. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187429 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Copy Or Transfer Selected Records From One Table To Another Table?
Nick, On most platforms you can do: INSERT INTO targetTable (column1, column2, etc...) SELECT (column1, column2, etc...) FROM sourcetable WHERE...etc. -joe On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:36:51 -0600, Nick Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the most efficient way to copy or transfer selected records from one table to another table with the same structure?. I.e., all records within a certain date range. Select and Insert seems be a very laborious method. Thanks, Nick ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187417 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
MAX Query modification
I have a following query SELECT MAX(S_Number) as currentNo FROM Table Which is doing what I want. But the S_Number has a logic behind. Let say today is December 13. The First S_Number should be 200412130001 where 2004 is the year and 12 is the month and 13 is the date and then 0001 is the first number (it need to be increament to 200412130002 for the next number). The query I have above how do I modify in order to get the same sequence (which jumps to the 14 on tomorrow rather than 13 Can some one advise please. -- Regards, ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187430 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Huh? So suggesting mixing VB.NET and C# to squeeze more power from a .NET app that is what, a crutch? And what about writing straight Java when JSP can't do enough? I hate to take the other side of this argument, but I think your example is flawed. There's no practical reason to use C# over VB.Net because they are both 1st class .Net languages. In other words, neither language is more powerful than the other. From what I've seen, you could convert a VB.Net app to C# with a search and replace. This is in contrast to the jump from CFML to Java, which is relatively huge. You're going from a dynamic/weakly typed, quasi-markup scripting language to a static/strongly typed, C-style compiled language. And that's not counting the shift from procedural programming to object oriented programming. You simply can't expect most ColdFusion developers to make the jump from ColdFusion to Java. That said, I think that, for most people, the barrier to entry for VB.Net/C# is greater than that for ColdFusion. However, once you've made that jump, the .Net framework provides a tremendous amount of functionality. Nevertheless, as opposed to constructs like cffile action=upload, the .Net framework is not necessarily Web friendly. You have to write a lot of implementation code in ASP.Net that you don't have to write in ColdFusion. Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187433 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I like to give people some credit. If I understand what a null is, I'm sure anyone else can. I'd like this, but I think there are a lot of people out there who do not fully understand what a null is and is not. -- Aaron Rouse http://www.happyhacker.com/ On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:21:42 -0400, Kwang Suh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a concept of null type ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187435 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:14:40 -0500, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, your assumption is that everyone's using Windows. If that's not the case, then you need to factor in the cost of Windows licenses as well as potential server management costs. In addition, you might be able to scale up better with a non-Windows solution (which generally limits you to scaling out rather than up). Compare, for example, the cost of an 8-CPU Oracle license for web access with the cost of CF Enterprise on a cluster of six 8-CPU servers. The Oracle license is way more expensive. Consider the costs of creating a fully redundant Oracle master/slave cluster to serve a website. If you're in that sort of business arena, CF isn't expensive at all. WebSphere, WebLogic, Oracle AS et al are all more expensive than CF Enterprise. The integration software packages to integrate those to ERP and CRM systems are $100k per server. Finally, the cost of software is typically a small fraction of overall application deployment and maintenance costs anyway. If you save a little bit per programming man-hour, you'll easily pay for whatever you license over a short time. Exactly. The sorts of companies who don't blink at the cost of systems like I just described are running projects that have $5-10m budgets and most of it is manpower. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187437 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:12:15 -0400, Kwang Suh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, Macromedia's for one. Not sure if has ten, but there's a quite a few there. Anandtech was running quite a few as well. There's William Sonoma. How about Toys'R'Us before they switched over? Pottery Barn. I think we have about a dozen webservers (4 CPU I think) and 5 8-CPU app servers and an 8 CPU db server. Apache / CFMX Enterprise / Oracle on Solaris end-to-end with Cisco hardware load balancers, multi-level firewalls etc etc etc. Probably? Proof please. And, apparently Macromedia is a multinational shipping company. We're close to a half-a-billion dollar a year company doing business globally. Our website is ranked inside the top 200 most trafficked sites in the world. We have close to fifty distinct ColdFusion applications on macromedia.com and about 40,000+ static HTML pages as well. Our web team - including project managers, designers, producters, programmers, QA etc - is about seventy full-time staff. A significant portion of that revenue comes from our website, through our global online stores, powered by ColdFusion. So, yeah, I guess we are analagous to a multinational shipping company... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187441 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Ah yes, the old use Java when CF can't do it crutch. Huh? So suggesting mixing VB.NET and C# to squeeze more power from a .NET app that is what, a crutch? And what about writing straight Java when JSP can't do enough? By design, a .NET app is meant to use any IL conformate language. As well, once a .NET class is compiled, it doesn't really matter what language it's been written in - calling that class is the same. JSPs are merely an abstracted Servlet, so I don't see your point with Java. I do think you have chosen to forget just how limited Java and COM integration is with CF. It's not a panacea. The createObject function is incredibly limited, and cannot be used for some forms of Java object instantiation. I suppose as well then that there's no good reason for CFHTTP to exist. Or CFFTP. I should be using Java for those, right? I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a thread tag in CF. You might even make some people happy with that. Isn't that what you're trying to do? Fulfill client requirements? Why is a person's request to have threading being used as an example of best tool for the best job, when you're adding the cfdocument tag that spits out PDFs? There's lots of Java libraries out there that do that. They're not even that difficult to use. Sorry, that argument is just plain silly. No single language or tool does it all, nor should it. That's why you get to mix tools and languages and technologies. Correct. But depending on what you are building you may need to step beyond CF. That is not a limitation, it is good design. Why do you think we introduced the ability to extend CF (originally using C/C++) back in CF2 in 1996? I am perfectly aware of the reason: Because your customers asked for it. From C, then COM, then Java, then CORBA, then more Java, then SOAP ... do you see a pattern? I have been saying this for years, and I'll keep saying it, the best CF apps are the ones not written purely in CF, and the most important part of CF development is knowing when not to use CF (heck, I wrote a column on this over 5 years ago!). Well then, I must make awesome CF apps, because I never write pure CF apps. Sometimes I use a database with it! And COM, and Java, and Web Services... Hummm, why do I suspect that those who complain most about CF not scaling are the ones violating this basic concept? Well, I hope you're not talking about me, because I have defended CF's scalability numerous times, and not just on here. My last bitch session about CF perfomance ended when CF5 came out. I'm also a paying customer of the company that pays your bills, and perhaps, if you're going to insinuate something to me, you either say it outright, or provide proof of your statements. I've gotten four companies I work at to either upgrade to the newest CF version at the time or to get CF in the place, so please spare me the rhetoric. The last place I worked at, I got them to purchase 2 CF Enterprise licenses and 15 Devnet subs. I have a few web apps deployed right now in CF, and they work hunky dory, thank you very much. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187442 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Can't Signin
Try it now. The issue was one of naming. I used a variable called method to indicate what page to load into a multi-page interface. Method in CFMX (or at least in 7) is reserved to indicate the page method. This caused the variable to be loaded with get in each page run. I've fixed it for the sign in and will do so for any other location I find. This will be replaced with more up to date and tighter code as soon as I get another free second. Sorry for the inconvenience. I don't know something is wrong with the website. I can't signin. There is no text boxes there to put the username/password there. Whenever I go there it just have a link says Back to previous section Is anthing wrong with houseoffusion website? -- Regards, ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187443 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Is it safe then to assume that you don't use a QA server for .NET development, or are you somehow doing that without paying for a Windows license? No, it is not. My MSDN subscription allows me to run multiple Windows server for non-production purposes. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187444 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Ah yes, the old use Java when CF can't do it crutch. I though the whole point of CF was to make it easy for developers to develop. And everything else is hard/takes longer/is more expensive. So why do I want to use something hard like Java to do something in CF? Actually, I would call it leveraging the full capabilities of the application server. If I can accomplish 99% of my tasks using CFML and 1% using Java while saving myself a substantial amount of development time, that's justification for me. This last post you made was very short-sighted. Rey Bango... ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187424 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFDUMP var=variables shows custom functions?
Copy them to the request or another scope, then delete their reference in the variables scope. Something like: cfset request.function1 = cflibFunc cfset structDelete(variables, cflibFunc) I'm not sure if this will work exactly as I have written it, however. One other solution is to store all of your page variables in a struct. Then, you can dump only that struct and ignore all other variables-scoped variables. M!ke -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFDUMP var=variables shows custom functions? I have an error tracker on my code that emails me a dump of just about everything. Today, on one site, I started including all of the CFLib.org files for all page requests rather than as needed. Nice idea, except that now my email error dumps are twenty times larger than before, all because the UDFs are listed in the 'variables' portion of the dump and list a complete function prototype. While this may be useful for some, I would prefer not to be receiving 1meg emails for each error. Is there any way to stop CFMX listing UDFs in the 'variables' scope? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187426 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Feel free to challenge them. And feel free to move this conversation elsewhere... ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187446 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Copy Or Transfer Selected Records From One Table To Another Table?
What is the most efficient way to copy or transfer selected records from one table to another table with the same structure?. I.e., all records within a certain date range. Select and Insert seems be a very laborious method. Thanks, Nick ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187413 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way, but I vote to take this topic somewhere else. Macromedia Forums is usually the best place to have the I hate ColdFusion debates. I, personally, stopped using the forums mainly because of these religious wars. We all know CF rocks, but it's not the be-all-end-all of web app development. Also, I consider this list a great resource for learning and sharing CF, and web, techniques. There has been nothing beneficial from this thread. It has only served to waste my valuable time when I could be bashing .NET on another mailing list. Thanks M!ke ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187427 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Again, your assumption is that everyone's using Windows. If that's not the case, then you need to factor in the cost of Windows licenses as well as potential server management costs. In addition, you might be able to scale up better with a non-Windows solution (which generally limits you to scaling out rather than up). Finally, the cost of software is typically a small fraction of overall application deployment and maintenance costs anyway. If you save a little bit per programming man-hour, you'll easily pay for whatever you license over a short time. Lest not forget the costs of patch management. MS now releases patches on a monthly schedule. In a large enterprise its a full time job to keep up with pathches that often, so add in the salaries of a few MCSEs, then Software Testers, then a patch management lab. Then again, you could just ignore the patches and allow your servers to continually crash. -Adam ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187454 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Kwang Suh wrote: Kwang Suh wrote: Let's say I have a website I want to cluster on 10 servers. With CF, that's 10 production licenses at whatever cost you can find CF at. With .NET, it's zero cost, so there can be some additional cost savings. I'd like to see the total cost break-down for a site that was so large it required 10 clustered servers. Hmm, Macromedia's for one. Not sure if has ten, but there's a quite a few there. Anandtech was running quite a few as well. There's William Sonoma. How about Toys'R'Us before they switched over? Pottery Barn. I said I'd like to see the total cost break-down for sites like that, not a list of possible candidates. I doubt the bottom line would move perceptibly if you switched from CF to a free option. Proof? I don't have any. That's why I prefaced my comment with I doubt. It's my opinion, nothing more. Also, no matter what way you cut it, CF Enterprise is quite expensive. If you're a child at school, a new mountain bike costing $200 is expensive. If you're a student at college, a new car costing $5000 is expensive. If you're a medium sized shipping company, a new truck costing $100,000 is expensive. If you're a multinational shipping company, a new jet costing $10,000,000 is expensive. The numbers may not be spot on, but you get the general idea. Expensive is not an absolute term. It depends on the nature of what you're doing. Yes, and for web development, CF Enterprise is expensive. Why do you need CF Enterprise? The price of a Windows 2003 server standard license is the same as a CFMX Pro license. The price of a Windows 2003 Enterprise server license is pretty close to the price of a CFMX Enterprise license and that still limits you to 25 CALs. And apparently every country in the world buys and sells in US$. I'm not sure what you're getting at there. A multinational shipping company is the only one I'd expect to require 10 clustered CF servers to run their app, and that app would probably be saving them an amount of money that is enormous when compared to the $60,000 one time cost of the CF licenses. Probably? Proof please. And, apparently Macromedia is a multinational shipping company. Well, we could bat this one back and forth over the net all day. I don't have any proof that it is true and you don't appear to have any proof that it isn't. I certainly have enough personal experience of working with ColdFusion to know that 10 clustered servers is an exceptionally large site with a *lot* of traffic. One would hope that any company that has that much traffic has a good reason to be paying the costs associated with running and maintaining a site of that size. The multinational shipping company is the only one from the list I gave that I would expect to require that number of clustered servers. I would be surprised if $60,000 in server licenses would be a blip on the radar for a company Macromedia's size too. Also, only development licenses are free. QA, staging, and test licenses are not with CF, unfortunately. Again, whether this is actually expensive to your company depends on the size of your company and what you want to use the app for. Yeah, you're right. I don't need a QA server. Thanks for setting me straight on that. I didn't say you didn't need a QA server. I said whether it's expensive depends on the size of your company. Is it safe then to assume that you don't use a QA server for .NET development, or are you somehow doing that without paying for a Windows license? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187438 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFFILE Upload file restrictions (was Re: fck editor 2.0 RC)
Aieee. So it does. I thought there was something more to CFFILE ACCEPT than that but a quick RTFM plainly says otherwise. So much for that. Never mind. :-) -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187455 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Who said anything about fixing? I'd like more functionality: I'd like to have cftransaction work across multiple databases. And allowed nested cftransactions. I'd like some other number type beside floating point. I'd like a concept of null type. I'd like to have CFCs have interfaces, constructors, overloaded methods, more obvious variable scoping. I'd like to have at least a collection CFC type. I'd like to have threads. I think that the problem with some of these is that you risk increasing CF's complexity to the point where you might as well just use Java or ASP.NET. CFML is typeless because HTML forms are typeless. CFML doesn't understand null because it doesn't exist within HTML. I think that for the rest of these things, if you're advanced enough to want to do them you can step outside of CFML and write Java code to do these things. To the degree that these things could be added without sacrificing the simplicity of CFML, I'd certainly agree with you. I'm just not sure if that's possible, in which case I think these features would be detrimental rather than helpful. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187440 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: SOT moving to FireFox
Ben Rogers wrote: Quirks mode also prevents developers from utilizing the standards advances and CSS support in IE 6. It might be a little limiting, but backwards compatibility always is. In this case, through the use of either hacks or conditional comments, it doesn't have to be as limiting. Your argument supports simplifying backwards compatibility, not simply supporting it. Conditional comments alone, provides full support for backwards compatibility in IE to the point that quirks mode does. Conversely, hacks are just another means to keep things simple without loosing the advances made in IE 6. They may break in the future, but that heavily depends on the hack. Mozilla and Firefox, which don't suffer from many of these problems. Actually, they do suffer from the same problems. In fact, Mozilla's got it even worse since it has to support Netscape Navigator 4 behaviors in quirks mode. That's why Mozilla (and Firefox by extension) *do* support doctype switching. Issues in NN 4.0 are easily handled without forcing a modern browser to perform as an outdated, less than entirely functional (broken?) implementation. Depending on your needs, you could simply serve NN 4 an unstyled document. Alternatively, you can use the @import method to hide CSS as necessary. In either case you are getting the most out of modern browsers, while still serving a usable document to older browsers. If you need full blown support for NN 4, then you should base all of your CSS and markup on that browser's capability. By invoking quirks mode, you have to do very little to work around box model issues. By very little I mean that, on the typical site, I have to override between 3 and 4 classes defined in the standard style sheet. I use conditional comments to do this. I certainly don't need to implement any of the hacks that you described. You can see an example of this here: http://www.nelivery.org/ By invoking quirks mode you have to do the exact same things you would for IE 5.x. If you avoid the problem altogether, as you have in the example you provided, there's no need for a hack or any other work around. When you can't avoid the broken box model or choose to use more semantic markup within your document, IE 6 in quirks mode will break the box model just like IE 5 does. I don't see how this solves anything other than allowing you to treat all versions of IE 5+ the same in your stylesheets. On a typical site I may only use a hack or a conditional 3 or 4 times... the true number depends on the design and how I approach it. Often times I can avoid it completely, but when it pops up, I simply fix it. I agree. However, my point is that I've never had to use any of those hacks. Using a combination of quirks modes and the conditional comment behavior, you can avoid the necessity for those hacks. This results in less code. The code that you end up with is also easier to read code because it's not obfuscated with the hacks. You can do the exact same thing without forcing IE into quirks mode... That is exactly the point I was trying to make. Rather than create a conditional for IE 5+ you create one specifically for IE 5.x, while IE 6 continues to use the correct width settings in your master stylesheet. The only benefit forcing quirks mode offers is that you can address any IE 5+ shortcoming in a single all-ie stylesheet. You're exploiting bugs and undocumented behaviors. In my book, this means that you can't rely on them. That doesn't mean you shouldn't ever use them. However, it does mean they should be used as a last resort. Fortunately, I have never had to use them. Of course you don't ever have to use a hack. You can avoid it in a number of ways--in the markup, by using conditionals comments, or by avoiding the use of margin, padding, and border combinations. Quirks mode in Internet Explorer, Mozilla and Oprah is a feature. You are not breaking the browser by using this feature. It exists for this very reason. Ok, then you are intentionally making the browser behave incorrectly and ignoring the CSS 2 spec. You call it backwards compatibility and I'll call it backwards thinking. Please avoid personal attacks. There's really no call for that. That wasn't a personal attack. Had I called you a elitist asshat who thinks backasswards, that would have been a personal attack. I was attacking on your view, not you. My apologies, if you were offended. It wasn't my intent to pick a fight, I was just offering an alternative solution to quirks mode. -- Best regards, Michael Wilson ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187457 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe:
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I'd say most people run CF on Windows, so they're paying for the Windows licenses on top of CF license. Perhaps, but if they are, do you really think they're so cost-conscious about the price of CF server licensing if they're willing to pay for Windows licensing without batting an eye? I like Windows as much as the next guy, but when I provision a server with Windows, I'm paying for something that has a free competitor, just like when I buy CF. Unless you're doing something specific with Windows integration - using Active Directory for IIS authentication for example - how do you justify the cost of purchasing Windows? The same arguments here would apply to justifying the cost of purchasing CF, in my opinion. If it makes your job easier, it's typically worth the cost. If not, it isn't. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187458 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: select next/previous *record*?
Yes, I was thinking along the same lines, but I can't think of a way to do it that would be even remotely efficient across about 10 key fields they want to page thru display on. I may revisit the issue when I have some more time but these guys have signed off on foregoing this feature for now. -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187460 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Let's say I have a website I want to cluster on 10 servers. With CF, that's 10 production licenses at whatever cost you can find CF at. With .NET, it's zero cost, so there can be some additional cost savings. If you're myopic enough to look at that as a valid comparison then you really SHOULD move to .NET. Macromedia is NOT Microsoft. ColdFusion cannot be free at that level. Microsoft sells (rather expensive) servers and supporting tools (SQL Server, Exchange, etc) by taking a hit on .NET. How would MM recoup the massive costs of development for giving away CF? If you think that statement proves some point, so be it. But remember also that this argument is hardly new: the same was said (repeatedly) when ASP was free and CF cost money (and compared to today both sucked). CF not only continued to seel, but thrived. It continues to thrive. Also, no matter what way you cut it, CF Enterprise is quite expensive. CF Enterprise is a god-damn, freakin' bargain. For $5,000 (less actually, with partner discounts) I can cap a $70,000 WebSpere installation and saving 10 times that in development costs. For those ten servers (let's assume IBM blades running AIX and WebSphere) the total cost of installation and software runs quickly into the million dollar range. ColdFusion is an afterthought. This is assuming that any entprise would actually build an application like that... but most won't. If an application needed 10 clustered application servers you're also probably looking at least 5-10 clustered presentation servers. Perhaps a few SSL accelerators. Maybe a Local-Director or Site Selector out in front. The infrastructure costs alone can top 10 million. Want a Database? Oracle and its associated infrastructure will probably add at least another 2 million. Content Managment? Expect to throw at least a million at Vignette (and it's associated consultants) or a competator. Now throw in what we must assume to be a significant development, testing and management effort. Double your infrastructure costs at least. So, does CF add to this cost? Yes! Does it pay for itself in time savings? Most happy users will give a resounding yes! The simple fact remains that it's not applicable to every project and to every developer. There are also projects where the right developer with the wrong tool will cost you more than anything else. But another simple fact remains: CF is still going strong. The people using it are not all idiots unable to see the great glowing orb of truth over the hill. Jim Davis ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187461 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
reReplace()
hi there. i need to remove all carriage returns and white space from the contents of a cfsavecontent. one problem. however, there are some *good* #Chr(13)##Chr(10)# that i want to keep. so, what i was thinking, is to put something like #Chr(0)# at each *good* spot then after i replace all cf+lf and white space, ill drop #Chr(13)##Chr(10)# where i find all #chr(0)#'s although this doesnt seem to be too non-kludgy... so, any idea how i can remove all crappy whitespace and cr+lf from a cfsavecontent's value? all of this will end up in a csv file, which explains why i need all the crap removed.. thanks! -- tony Tony Weeg macromedia certified coldfusion mx developer email: tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com blog: http://www.revolutionwebdesign.com/blog/ cool tool: http://www.antiwrap.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187462 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Kwang Suh wrote: I said I'd like to see the total cost break-down for sites like that, not a list of possible candidates. You doubted that there were companies that used numbers of web servers. I have provided you some. Feel free to ask them. Sean has already answered for you. I don't have any. That's why I prefaced my comment with I doubt. It's my opinion, nothing more. Oh, ok. Why do you need CF Enterprise? What my situation is really has no bearing on the market. Suffice it to say there are customers, even on this list, that use and need it. The price of a Windows 2003 server standard license is the same as a CFMX Pro license. The price of a Windows 2003 Enterprise server license is pretty close to the price of a CFMX Enterprise license and that still limits you to 25 CALs. I'd say most people run CF on Windows, so they're paying for the Windows licenses on top of CF license. And apparently every country in the world buys and sells in US$. I'm not sure what you're getting at there. For some of us, US$10K US is a lot of money. Well, we could bat this one back and forth over the net all day. I don't have any proof that it is true and you don't appear to have any proof that it isn't. No, I gave you proof for whatever statements I have made. Feel free to challenge them. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187445 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: fck editor 2.0 RC
I think soEditor is discontinuing the free version with the upcoming release of the new version of the editor. They still support the previously distributed free versions. Dan On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:49:27 -0800, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't speak for FCK editor (does anyone else read that in a profane manner every time they see it?), but soEditor and HTMLArea both can have their image insert easily augmented to either include a browser for existing images uploaded to the system, or to have a full fledges manager for adding, editing and deleting images, as well as selection of one for insertion. I usually use both, with the picker loading by default, and a link to the full-on manager. cheers, barneyb On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:04:48 -0500, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irvin Gomez wrote: Use TinyMCE. It's much simpler. http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/ Looks nice, but regular (non-technical) users would have problems inserting images. That was always my beef with a lot of the editors that don't include such functionality it's hard to ask users to type in the URL of an image on their server. htmlArea was the same way - I ended up adding a second image button to the toolbar that launched my own image browser. That's why I switched to FCKeditor... it had the browse and upload built into the main image dialog. tinymce might be nice for a message board utility or something where you only want users to enter basic html, but as a full-featured editor, it is definately lacking in the ease of use department if you ask me. - Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/blog/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187447 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: reReplace()
so this reads: reReplace(string,'#chr(10)#|#chr(13)#|#chr(32)#','','all' replace all 10's 13's and 32's regardless of anything is there a way to say, dont remove where you find a (couplet) #chr(10)##chr(13)# just where you find either that arent together? -- tony Tony Weeg macromedia certified coldfusion mx developer email: tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com blog: http://www.revolutionwebdesign.com/blog/ cool tool: http://www.antiwrap.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187465 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
There are no professional CF hosting in Turkey :( So we always need to buy CF to host our projects which should be hosted at different geographical I'm not sure I understand this. If there's no CF hosting in Turkey, why not create some? At the very least it would seem that you could host in another country for most apps. locations. We're using similar approach for most projects, because we generally solve all of the problems of the projects (providing hosting, maintenance, security, content contribution solutions for years). Sometimes our customers wants to host the site their own servers which requires a separate ColdFusion license. These conditions force us to shift other technologies, so maybe I cannot see the future of CF properly due to these conditions. Its popularity is different in Turkey. Again, if you're buying servers already it seems like CF is small cost to incur in comparison - but that depends on the servers you're buying I suppose. Server management costs for a year will dwarf the CF licensing cost - even if you go cheap figure (at least) $50 per hour of sitting in front of that server - that time adds up tremendously. But if you can't afford it (and if the free edition of Blue Dragon isn't applicable) then you'll obviously have to look for different technology. But in my experience that generally always costs more in the long run for any real application. Finally, we have some plans for next year to setup a small CF hosting company in Turkey :) (Any suggestions to setup a CF hosting company are welcome) This will help us to continue with CF. Sounds good to me. ;^) Good luck! Jim Davis ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187449 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Can't Signin
This section seems to have a bug that was exposed in the move from CF 5 to CF 7. It's slated to be fixed ASAP but I have a small emergency at work and I have to handle it first. It's probably just an issue of SES url vars. I don't know something is wrong with the website. I can't signin. There is no text boxes there to put the username/password there. Whenever I go there it just have a link says Back to previous section Is anthing wrong with houseoffusion website? -- Regards, ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187432 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Kwang, I think I know why you've had so many jobs.. You send all the damn day goofing off and bitching. I'll be the first just to come out and say STFU. You're preaching to the converted, you're wasting your time. Now please, for the love of God, drop it and move on. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:42:41 -0400, Kwang Suh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't belittle my comments with such an offhand packaged response. Seriously, I'm not belittling you. I've heard that phrase used so many times for so many situations, it's perhaps an indication to MM that they need to build in some more functionality, especially to keep up with the competition. For instance, there was a post here about how slow string concatenation was in CF. Someone suggested using Java's StringBuilder class. Heck, I wouldn't mind if there was a way to create, say, a superstring in CF that would take care of that for you. What's wrong with that? I am try to respond in a reasonable and considered manner. The least you could do is return the courtesy. What is it that makes you think that it is a crutch? As I have already stated in my response to Ben, createObject is not a panacea. On the one hand you're berating CFML for it's lack of vision, and on the other you seem to be claiming that it's somehow cheating to use some of the very powerful things that CFMX makes available to you. Not everything in Java or COM is usable in CFMX. I for one would be horrified if Macromedia decided to expose full thread management in CFML. Thread programming is relatively complex and you can easily tie the server in knots if you aren't careful. Well, so is SQL, but there it is. There are many ways to kill yourself with CF as it is, and I don't think adding thread capabilities is going to have people up in arms. I don't want a product that requires mittens on my hands just in case I happen to type some code that'll blow up the server, as it were. The point is that all the power you need is available to CF as long as you are prepared to accept that some things will need to be done in Java. Macromedia try pretty hard to make sure that those things are edge cases and don't impact the majority of their customers. I don't really consider some of these things edge cases. Poor Will. All he wanted was a better ColdFusion. If they didn't ColdFusion would have disappeared a long time ago. Why? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187451 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: cfdump not formatting correctly
Can I ask, what's the worst formatting you've had when it goes wrong? The most I've seen is the colours and the label disappearing, has anyone ever seen worse than this? Ade -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 December 2004 15:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfdump not formatting correctly On 09 Dec 2004 09:55:36 -0500, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the problem is that none of the color settings have a # before the color hexadecimal representation. If you really wanted to retain your doctype, you can create a custom tag wrapper for cfdump and parse in the # sounds where appropriate I've pretty much gotten into the habit of just commenting out the doctype tag when i need to dump a var. But yeah, it's a pain-in-the-butt sometimes. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 09/12/2004 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187436 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFDUMP var=variables shows custom functions?
Could always change your dump function, to loop through the variables scope and do an isCustomFunction() check on each key if it is then remove that key form teh variables, if not leave it there. Then do teh dump function. Since it only happens when you get an error, it shouldnt take too much processesing, and you would not have to change yer code too much On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:32:32 -0600, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copy them to the request or another scope, then delete their reference in the variables scope. Something like: cfset request.function1 = cflibFunc cfset structDelete(variables, cflibFunc) I'm not sure if this will work exactly as I have written it, however. One other solution is to store all of your page variables in a struct. Then, you can dump only that struct and ignore all other variables-scoped variables. M!ke -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFDUMP var=variables shows custom functions? I have an error tracker on my code that emails me a dump of just about everything. Today, on one site, I started including all of the CFLib.org files for all page requests rather than as needed. Nice idea, except that now my email error dumps are twenty times larger than before, all because the UDFs are listed in the 'variables' portion of the dump and list a complete function prototype. While this may be useful for some, I would prefer not to be receiving 1meg emails for each error. Is there any way to stop CFMX listing UDFs in the 'variables' scope? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187466 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
And at this point I'll have to ask that the conversation be moved to CF-OT or CF-Community. Thank you. Kwang, I think I know why you've had so many jobs.. You send all the damn day goofing off and bitching. I'll be the first just to come out and say STFU. You're preaching to the converted, you're wasting your time. Now please, for the love of God, drop it and move on. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187452 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
