RE: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?

2003-07-09 Thread Woodruff, Michael
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-Original Message-
From: Jeff Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:56 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

You're using eseutil from what service pack version of exchange?

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Michael Posted At: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:00 PM Posted To: Exchange
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Subject: RE: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?

 While running ESEUTIL /P I am seeing this in the log...  (see below)
Hopefully the repair will work and the darn thing will mount. 

Dbtime is larger than database dbtime




-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Depends on what you need :)  The priv.edb and priv.stm should give you
all mail that has been committed to the databases, but will not give you
mail that has been received since that time.  Also, having the same
server name is not quite as important, but having the same org name and
same Admin Group and Storage Group is what is important.  Having the
same server name should be absolutely fine though.  Since you are not
doing a typical restore though, you will probably have to stop the
Exchange services, then replace the files.  I also wouldn't be surprised
if you may find that you have to run eseutil and/or isinteg to get the
database mounted.  Before running those though, try and re-start the
services and then take note of any errors you receive.  Also, before
running eseutil or isinteg, make sure that you still have your backup
copy of the databases in case something happens to them while running
either of those utilities.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At:
Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:40 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?
Subject: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?


OK, I have a priv.edb and priv.stm from an old backup (just these two
files).  I have built an offline exchange server with the same names and
service packs as outlined by Microsoft.  My question is, can I recover
with just the files or do I need a full Exchange backup from a program
such as Veritas or Windows Backup?  Thanks.

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RE: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?

2003-07-08 Thread Ben Winzenz
Depends on what you need :)  The priv.edb and priv.stm should give you
all mail that has been committed to the databases, but will not give you
mail that has been received since that time.  Also, having the same
server name is not quite as important, but having the same org name and
same Admin Group and Storage Group is what is important.  Having the
same server name should be absolutely fine though.  Since you are not
doing a typical restore though, you will probably have to stop the
Exchange services, then replace the files.  I also wouldn't be surprised
if you may find that you have to run eseutil and/or isinteg to get the
database mounted.  Before running those though, try and re-start the
services and then take note of any errors you receive.  Also, before
running eseutil or isinteg, make sure that you still have your backup
copy of the databases in case something happens to them while running
either of those utilities.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:40 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?
Subject: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?


OK, I have a priv.edb and priv.stm from an old backup (just these two
files).  I have built an offline exchange server with the same names and
service packs as outlined by Microsoft.  My question is, can I recover
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such as Veritas or Windows Backup?  Thanks.

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RE: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?

2003-07-08 Thread Woodruff, Michael
 While running ESEUTIL /P I am seeing this in the log...  (see below)
Hopefully the repair will work and the darn thing will mount. 

Dbtime is larger than database dbtime




-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Depends on what you need :)  The priv.edb and priv.stm should give you
all mail that has been committed to the databases, but will not give you
mail that has been received since that time.  Also, having the same
server name is not quite as important, but having the same org name and
same Admin Group and Storage Group is what is important.  Having the
same server name should be absolutely fine though.  Since you are not
doing a typical restore though, you will probably have to stop the
Exchange services, then replace the files.  I also wouldn't be surprised
if you may find that you have to run eseutil and/or isinteg to get the
database mounted.  Before running those though, try and re-start the
services and then take note of any errors you receive.  Also, before
running eseutil or isinteg, make sure that you still have your backup
copy of the databases in case something happens to them while running
either of those utilities.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At:
Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:40 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?
Subject: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?


OK, I have a priv.edb and priv.stm from an old backup (just these two
files).  I have built an offline exchange server with the same names and
service packs as outlined by Microsoft.  My question is, can I recover
with just the files or do I need a full Exchange backup from a program
such as Veritas or Windows Backup?  Thanks.

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RE: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?

2003-07-08 Thread Jeff Beckham
You're using eseutil from what service pack version of exchange?

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Woodruff,
Michael
Posted At: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:00 PM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?
Subject: RE: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?

 While running ESEUTIL /P I am seeing this in the log...  (see below)
Hopefully the repair will work and the darn thing will mount. 

Dbtime is larger than database dbtime




-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Depends on what you need :)  The priv.edb and priv.stm should give you
all mail that has been committed to the databases, but will not give you
mail that has been received since that time.  Also, having the same
server name is not quite as important, but having the same org name and
same Admin Group and Storage Group is what is important.  Having the
same server name should be absolutely fine though.  Since you are not
doing a typical restore though, you will probably have to stop the
Exchange services, then replace the files.  I also wouldn't be surprised
if you may find that you have to run eseutil and/or isinteg to get the
database mounted.  Before running those though, try and re-start the
services and then take note of any errors you receive.  Also, before
running eseutil or isinteg, make sure that you still have your backup
copy of the databases in case something happens to them while running
either of those utilities.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


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From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At:
Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:40 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?
Subject: Restore Exchange 2000 IS?


OK, I have a priv.edb and priv.stm from an old backup (just these two
files).  I have built an offline exchange server with the same names and
service packs as outlined by Microsoft.  My question is, can I recover
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such as Veritas or Windows Backup?  Thanks.

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RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup

2003-01-31 Thread Santhosh. H
it will be in the deleted item folder
If he has emptied the deleted item
Try recovering from the tools-recover deleted item

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-Original Message-
From: Sanjeev Sharma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:07 AM
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Subject: RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup
Importance: High


One of our users mistakenly deleted his past Friday's calendar information
through his PDA.  We do have a backup of our Exchange server data for this
past weekend.  My question is there any utility in exchange which will let
me restore only his calendar information from the backup.   Any assistance
would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance.


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RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup

2003-01-27 Thread Sanjeev Sharma
One of our users mistakenly deleted his past Friday's calendar information
through his PDA.  We do have a backup of our Exchange server data for this
past weekend.  My question is there any utility in exchange which will let
me restore only his calendar information from the backup.   Any assistance
would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance.


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RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup

2003-01-27 Thread Martin Blackstone
If you have deleted item retention on, you may be able to get it back.
What Exchange version are we talking about anyhow?

-Original Message-
From: Sanjeev Sharma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup
Importance: High


One of our users mistakenly deleted his past Friday's calendar information
through his PDA.  We do have a backup of our Exchange server data for this
past weekend.  My question is there any utility in exchange which will let
me restore only his calendar information from the backup.   Any assistance
would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance.


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RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup

2003-01-27 Thread Veld, Paul
You could have a look at www.ontrack.com.  I have just downloaded an
evaluation of the PowerTools product, which is supposed to be able to do
what you are wanting to do.  Perhaps others on the list could comment on
whether it actually works or not :-).

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2003 2:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup


If you have deleted item retention on, you may be able to get it back.
What Exchange version are we talking about anyhow?

-Original Message-
From: Sanjeev Sharma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup
Importance: High


One of our users mistakenly deleted his past Friday's calendar information
through his PDA.  We do have a backup of our Exchange server data for this
past weekend.  My question is there any utility in exchange which will let
me restore only his calendar information from the backup.   Any assistance
would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance.


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RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup

2003-01-27 Thread Sanjeev Sharma
We are running Exchange 5.5. I am not sure if deleted item retention is
enabled.  BTW, how do I find out whether it is on or off?  Thanks!


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup

If you have deleted item retention on, you may be able to get it back.
What Exchange version are we talking about anyhow?

-Original Message-
From: Sanjeev Sharma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup
Importance: High


One of our users mistakenly deleted his past Friday's calendar information
through his PDA.  We do have a backup of our Exchange server data for this
past weekend.  My question is there any utility in exchange which will let
me restore only his calendar information from the backup.   Any assistance
would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance.


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RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup

2003-01-27 Thread William Lefkovics
 
XADM: Set Deleted Mail Message Retention Time in Exchange Server 5.5
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;246283

XADM: Understanding Deleted Item Retention and Message Deletion Process
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;q249680

William
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sanjeev Sharma
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Importance: High

We are running Exchange 5.5. I am not sure if deleted item retention is
enabled.  BTW, how do I find out whether it is on or off?  Thanks!


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup

If you have deleted item retention on, you may be able to get it back.
What Exchange version are we talking about anyhow?

-Original Message-
From: Sanjeev Sharma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore explicit folder data from the Exchange backup
Importance: High


One of our users mistakenly deleted his past Friday's calendar
information
through his PDA.  We do have a backup of our Exchange server data for
this
past weekend.  My question is there any utility in exchange which will
let
me restore only his calendar information from the backup.   Any
assistance
would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance.



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RE: Restore Exchange Information store

2003-01-13 Thread Martin Blackstone
Here is how you do it. Follow step by step. Send Ed beer when done.
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxa.htm

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Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:48 AM
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Subject: Restore Exchange Information store


We are upgrading to Windows 2000 and retaining Exchange 5.5. We are building
another server  to replace the old server Fsjlss03 with a different name
Fsjlss02, and if we restore the information store to the new Exchange Server
name will the users still be able get to thier mailbox with without changing
the server name in Outlook ? thank you

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RE: restore problem

2002-09-12 Thread EXTERN Hlabse Tony (Tek Systems;RBNA/CIT1)

Was this the only server in the site?

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From: Roger Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore problem


Tried both
Constantly get permissions problems (access denied)

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From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 12:54 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore problem


There's your problem.Did you back up the information store also? If
so restore from that instead of the individual mailboxes

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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 5:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore problem


They were

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From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 9:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore problem


We're you doing a BLB?

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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:17 PM
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Subject: restore problem


Hi All
I hope that you wonderful people can help me.
Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 server SP1
Server went down in a big heap but the good thing is we have tape backup
of the information store. The problem is as follows Build a new box,
same setup as the original, restoring from tape will
not allow access to the restore.   (access denied to directory and error
writing security data stream).   I have read all the stuff on Veritas
site (BE8.5) and done all that they have asked.   We have recovered most
of the data but the public folder is the problem.   Any ideas will be
greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance

Roger Smith  MCSE, MCP+I, CCNA
Technical Support Manager
OfficePCs
10 Cape Street
Dickson
Phone : 62579111
Fax:  62579004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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RE: restore problem

2002-09-11 Thread Christopher Hummert

We're you doing a BLB?

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Roger Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: restore problem


Hi All
I hope that you wonderful people can help me.
Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 server SP1
Server went down in a big heap but the good thing is we have tape backup
of the information store. The problem is as follows
Build a new box, same setup as the original, restoring from tape will
not allow access to the restore.   (access denied to directory and error
writing security data stream).   I have read all the stuff on Veritas
site (BE8.5) and done all that they have asked.   We have recovered most
of the data but the public folder is the problem.   Any ideas will be
greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance

Roger Smith  MCSE, MCP+I, CCNA
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RE: restore problem

2002-09-11 Thread Roger Smith

They were

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 9:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore problem


We're you doing a BLB?

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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: restore problem


Hi All
I hope that you wonderful people can help me.
Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 server SP1
Server went down in a big heap but the good thing is we have tape backup
of the information store. The problem is as follows
Build a new box, same setup as the original, restoring from tape will
not allow access to the restore.   (access denied to directory and error
writing security data stream).   I have read all the stuff on Veritas
site (BE8.5) and done all that they have asked.   We have recovered most
of the data but the public folder is the problem.   Any ideas will be
greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance

Roger Smith  MCSE, MCP+I, CCNA
Technical Support Manager
OfficePCs
10 Cape Street
Dickson
Phone : 62579111
Fax:  62579004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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RE: restore problem

2002-09-11 Thread Christopher Hummert

There's your problem.Did you back up the information store also? If
so restore from that instead of the individual mailboxes

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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 5:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore problem


They were

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 9:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore problem


We're you doing a BLB?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Roger Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: restore problem


Hi All
I hope that you wonderful people can help me.
Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 server SP1
Server went down in a big heap but the good thing is we have tape backup
of the information store. The problem is as follows Build a new box,
same setup as the original, restoring from tape will
not allow access to the restore.   (access denied to directory and error
writing security data stream).   I have read all the stuff on Veritas
site (BE8.5) and done all that they have asked.   We have recovered most
of the data but the public folder is the problem.   Any ideas will be
greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance

Roger Smith  MCSE, MCP+I, CCNA
Technical Support Manager
OfficePCs
10 Cape Street
Dickson
Phone : 62579111
Fax:  62579004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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RE: restore problem

2002-09-11 Thread Roger Smith

Tried both
Constantly get permissions problems (access denied)

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 12:54 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore problem


There's your problem.Did you back up the information store also? If
so restore from that instead of the individual mailboxes

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Roger Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 5:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore problem


They were

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 9:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore problem


We're you doing a BLB?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Roger Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: restore problem


Hi All
I hope that you wonderful people can help me.
Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 server SP1
Server went down in a big heap but the good thing is we have tape backup
of the information store. The problem is as follows Build a new box,
same setup as the original, restoring from tape will
not allow access to the restore.   (access denied to directory and error
writing security data stream).   I have read all the stuff on Veritas
site (BE8.5) and done all that they have asked.   We have recovered most
of the data but the public folder is the problem.   Any ideas will be
greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance

Roger Smith  MCSE, MCP+I, CCNA
Technical Support Manager
OfficePCs
10 Cape Street
Dickson
Phone : 62579111
Fax:  62579004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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RE: Restore Public Folders to an alternate server

2002-08-14 Thread Harmon, Michelle M.

If all you want to do is make sure the public folders live SOMEWHERE,
then you can import the recovered folders to PST and then import them
into your production AD. 

If you want them to go to their original homes, well, you may have to
wrestle with the Exchange 2000 version of Pfadmin.  

If that's the case, good luck.  I'll pay you dearly for whatever info
gets it to work.  ;)

-Original Message-
From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 8:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore Public Folders to an alternate server
Importance: High


Hi all.

I have restored an Exchange 2000 PF store to an alternate server. No
problems with the restoration process itself - the store mounted fine.

However the alternate server is in a different active directory. That
active directory does not have these public folders in the Microsoft
Exchange System Objects container.

Is there a way to populate the AD based on the contents of the PF store?
(like DS/IS Consistency Adjuster used to do back in Exchange 5.5)

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RE: Restore Public Folders to an alternate server

2002-08-14 Thread Andrey Fyodorov

This was my original plan (similar to single mailbox restore):
1. Restore PF store from tape to alternate server
2. Mount the restored store
3. Connect with Outlook to the alternate server and export the PFs to PST
4. Import PST into the production server

However the alternate Exchange server has its own active directory that does not have 
the same Microsoft Exchange System Objects container as the producion system. The PFs 
live in that container. So the alternative AD does not have these PFs listed and 
they do not show up in Outlook.

-Original Message-
From: Harmon, Michelle M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore Public Folders to an alternate server


If all you want to do is make sure the public folders live SOMEWHERE,
then you can import the recovered folders to PST and then import them
into your production AD. 

If you want them to go to their original homes, well, you may have to
wrestle with the Exchange 2000 version of Pfadmin.  

If that's the case, good luck.  I'll pay you dearly for whatever info
gets it to work.  ;)

-Original Message-
From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 8:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore Public Folders to an alternate server
Importance: High


Hi all.

I have restored an Exchange 2000 PF store to an alternate server. No
problems with the restoration process itself - the store mounted fine.

However the alternate server is in a different active directory. That
active directory does not have these public folders in the Microsoft
Exchange System Objects container.

Is there a way to populate the AD based on the contents of the PF store?
(like DS/IS Consistency Adjuster used to do back in Exchange 5.5)

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RE: Restore Public Folders to an alternate server

2002-08-14 Thread Andrey Fyodorov

Ok, I have figured it out if anyone is interested.

There are two ways of making it work.

After you restore PUB1.EDB and PUB1.STM to an alternate server and mount the PF store, 
al the public folders will show up in Exchange System Manager. But you won't see them 
in Outlook yet. To make the visible in Outlook, do:

A. Create a new public top-level public folder on the alternate Exchange server. Then 
move one of the restored public folders into the new folder. Then right-click on the 
new folder and select All Tasks/Propagate Settings/Folder Rights. After it rips 
through, move the restored public folder back into the original location.

OR

B. Create a new public top-level public folder on the alternate Exchange server. Then 
COPY one of the restored public folders into the new folder. Delete the original 
restored public folder and move its copy from the new top level folder back to the 
original location.

Andrey Fyodorov
Senior Exchange Administrator
iNNERHOST
http://www.innerhost.com

-Original Message-
From: Harmon, Michelle M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore Public Folders to an alternate server


If all you want to do is make sure the public folders live SOMEWHERE,
then you can import the recovered folders to PST and then import them
into your production AD. 

If you want them to go to their original homes, well, you may have to
wrestle with the Exchange 2000 version of Pfadmin.  

If that's the case, good luck.  I'll pay you dearly for whatever info
gets it to work.  ;)

-Original Message-
From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 8:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore Public Folders to an alternate server
Importance: High


Hi all.

I have restored an Exchange 2000 PF store to an alternate server. No
problems with the restoration process itself - the store mounted fine.

However the alternate server is in a different active directory. That
active directory does not have these public folders in the Microsoft
Exchange System Objects container.

Is there a way to populate the AD based on the contents of the PF store?
(like DS/IS Consistency Adjuster used to do back in Exchange 5.5)

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Re: restore question

2002-08-13 Thread Chris H

I believe you have it backwards. If you are restoring the priv you can name
the server anything. If you are restoring pub and directory services they
depend on the server name must match the original.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:12 AM
Subject: restore question



 I am trying a restore on our disaster recovery server.  When I try to
 restore the priv.edb the restore process does not begin without the
network
 cable attached.  In the past (with NT4 backup), from what I recall, did
not
 have to have the lan cable attached which is reassuring that I will not
 effect our production servers.  However with the new W2K backup, the
restore
 will not work without communicating to the network.  Does anyone know why
 this is occuring?  The disaster recovery server is not a BDC...All servers
 are W2K with Exchange 5.5/SP4.  We are only restoring the store, not
 Directory services, which from what I understand, can only be restored to
 the original exchange server.
 thanks,
 Dave

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Re: restore question

2002-08-13 Thread Chris H

oops feels stupid
I read your post wy to quickly and in my glee that I might be able to
actually answer a question posted here, see that you were saying the exact
sme thing!

Apologies!

- Original Message -
From: Stevens, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:12 AM
Subject: restore question



 I am trying a restore on our disaster recovery server.  When I try to
 restore the priv.edb the restore process does not begin without the
network
 cable attached.  In the past (with NT4 backup), from what I recall, did
not
 have to have the lan cable attached which is reassuring that I will not
 effect our production servers.  However with the new W2K backup, the
restore
 will not work without communicating to the network.  Does anyone know why
 this is occuring?  The disaster recovery server is not a BDC...All servers
 are W2K with Exchange 5.5/SP4.  We are only restoring the store, not
 Directory services, which from what I understand, can only be restored to
 the original exchange server.
 thanks,
 Dave

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RE: Restore OST on to a new workstation installation

2002-07-10 Thread Greg Heywood

Thanks Chris.

Disclaimer duly noted.

Cheers
Greg




-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 10 July 2002 16:07
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore OST on to a new workstation installation

#include std_disclaim.h

I've managed to create a new profile on a machine, create an empty OST and
then replace it with an OST from another machine in the past.

-Original Message-
From: Greg Heywood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore OST on to a new workstation installation

Hello, 

I have some users on the other side of a slow link from the Exchange (5.5)
server. They are about to have there workstations rebuilt and some have
around 500-800mb in OST files (outlook 2000). Old OS was 98 and new one is
W2K.

Is there anyway that these can be backed-up, then restored onto a new
machine for the same user (and exchange account) or will be I be stuck with
an error about the wrong OST for the user? I am trying to avoid having ½
dozen users all sync'ing massive mailboxes across the WAN links if poss.
 

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RE: Restore Single Mailbox

2002-06-03 Thread McCarthy, Eugene (AFIT)

Thanks for the replies. (I hadn't come across this Q in my searching - many
thanks.)

Trouble is that I had restarted the IS before I read this Q article! [=
consistent IS up to last backup, but not the post-backup transactions].
Restore - even with the Restore in Progress key LOOKS through the
post-backup Logs but doesn't play them. My boss thinks there's something
which says they have been played already so don't bother playing them again.
[?] I have created a new IS from the tape so I don't think they have been
played at all against this IS. The data is not in the IS. I was thinking
that since the post-backup logs were copied manually there is nothing to
tell Exchange 'old' and 'new' database paths like the reg key does, so the
logs want to play into a dbase on G: (original drive) while the actual IS
I'm  restoring to is on an F: drive. Could this be possible?

The users concerned were less than over the moon to have lost half a day's
email but they've left us now! I've got time to try this again (with a
smaller database this time). It seems the most imporatant thing is NOT to
start the IS until, well, one knows exactly what one is doing!

Thanks again.
Eugene

-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore Single Mailbox


Based on what you have said this should do the trick.  That is if you do
full backups every day.  We have done that for several of our customers. 

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

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 From: McCarthy, Eugene (AFIT)
 Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 04:24
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Restore Single Mailbox
 
 Hi All,
  
 I'd be interested to know if anyone has successfully restored a deleted
 mailbox to its state half-way through the day (between backups).
  
 What happened: Administrator accidentally deleted mailbox - not his fault
 really.
 What I'd like: 1. Full restore of IS to re-create mailbox as it was at
 time
 of Tuesday evening backup (straight forward !)
 2. Replay Transaction Logs up to the last one before deletion (3pm
 Wednesday).
  
 In theory, I may be able to frig the Restore in Progress reg key, empty
 the .PAT file, and rename the last Log I want to use as edb.log. But will
 it
 work? Has anyone tried?
  
 Thanks for any feedback.
  
 Eugene
 
 
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RE: Restore distribution lists

2002-06-03 Thread RonGrant

Thank you all for the replies. I ended up Calling tech support since I DID
restore, and my IS wouldn't start (before I got these emails from y'all). I
used my online Veritas backup. Stopped all services, Renamed dir.edb, ran
the restore of the Exchange directory using Veritas, tried to start IS...no
good. Renamed the restored dir.edb, renamed the original back to
dir.edb..still no IS. Called Tech support, and for some reason the service
account didn't have rights. I gave it proper rights again, and it worked.
Folks were complaining after this of mail sitting in the out box...rebooted
the server, and it fixed that. MS Gave me Q155414 as the procedure for
restoring DL's. 
 I should have been renaming the DSADATA folder and not the dir.edb as
stated below by Raj.
Thanks again,
Ron

 -Original Message-
 From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:45 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore distribution lists
 
 Ron:
 
 If you have an offline backup: stop all services, rename DSADATA dir to
 DSADATA.old,restore the DSADATA directory from backup ,start system
 attendant and directory service export the DLs to a .csv file . Bring back
 the old DSADATA dir and import the DLs. This should work. Let me know if
 you
 need step by step. I did this not too long ago.
 
 Raj
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:35 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Restore distribution lists
 
 
 All of my distribution lists were deleted by a sister company who THOUGHT
 they could delete them without effecting me. The THOUGHT the ADC was not
 functioning and that they had removed any connections to my 5.5 server.
 *sigh*
 So, I need to re-create all of my DL's, or restore them from back up, but
 I
 have never done this. It is a simple Directory restore, or does the IS
 need
 to get involved? If this could cause corruption, I might as well get busy
 re-creating them..since I don't even want to go down the corruption road.
 Thanks for the insight,
 Ron
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RE: Restore distribution lists

2002-05-31 Thread Hurst, Paul

Ron,

Or restore it to a off network version of the same server and export the
DL's and import them into the live networked server.

Cheers

Paul

Standards are like toothbrushes,
everybody agrees you should have one,
but no one wants to use yours



-Original Message-
From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 6:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore distribution lists


Ron:

If you have an offline backup: stop all services, rename DSADATA dir to
DSADATA.old,restore the DSADATA directory from backup ,start system
attendant and directory service export the DLs to a .csv file . Bring back
the old DSADATA dir and import the DLs. This should work. Let me know if you
need step by step. I did this not too long ago.

Raj

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Subject: Restore distribution lists


All of my distribution lists were deleted by a sister company who THOUGHT
they could delete them without effecting me. The THOUGHT the ADC was not
functioning and that they had removed any connections to my 5.5 server.
*sigh*
So, I need to re-create all of my DL's, or restore them from back up, but I
have never done this. It is a simple Directory restore, or does the IS need
to get involved? If this could cause corruption, I might as well get busy
re-creating them..since I don't even want to go down the corruption road. 
Thanks for the insight,
Ron
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RE: Restore Single Mailbox

2002-05-30 Thread Andy David

Try this on your recovery server: Q247109


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Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 5:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore Single Mailbox


Hi All,
 
I'd be interested to know if anyone has successfully restored a deleted
mailbox to its state half-way through the day (between backups).
 
What happened: Administrator accidentally deleted mailbox - not his fault
really.
What I'd like: 1. Full restore of IS to re-create mailbox as it was at time
of Tuesday evening backup (straight forward !)
2. Replay Transaction Logs up to the last one before deletion (3pm
Wednesday).
 
In theory, I may be able to frig the Restore in Progress reg key, empty
the .PAT file, and rename the last Log I want to use as edb.log. But will it
work? Has anyone tried?
 
Thanks for any feedback.
 
Eugene


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RE: Restore Single Mailbox

2002-05-30 Thread Couch, Nate

Based on what you have said this should do the trick.  That is if you do
full backups every day.  We have done that for several of our customers. 

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

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 I'd be interested to know if anyone has successfully restored a deleted
 mailbox to its state half-way through the day (between backups).
  
 What happened: Administrator accidentally deleted mailbox - not his fault
 really.
 What I'd like: 1. Full restore of IS to re-create mailbox as it was at
 time
 of Tuesday evening backup (straight forward !)
 2. Replay Transaction Logs up to the last one before deletion (3pm
 Wednesday).
  
 In theory, I may be able to frig the Restore in Progress reg key, empty
 the .PAT file, and rename the last Log I want to use as edb.log. But will
 it
 work? Has anyone tried?
  
 Thanks for any feedback.
  
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RE: Restore distribution lists

2002-05-30 Thread Pillai, Raj

Ron:

If you have an offline backup: stop all services, rename DSADATA dir to
DSADATA.old,restore the DSADATA directory from backup ,start system
attendant and directory service export the DLs to a .csv file . Bring back
the old DSADATA dir and import the DLs. This should work. Let me know if you
need step by step. I did this not too long ago.

Raj

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore distribution lists


All of my distribution lists were deleted by a sister company who THOUGHT
they could delete them without effecting me. The THOUGHT the ADC was not
functioning and that they had removed any connections to my 5.5 server.
*sigh*
So, I need to re-create all of my DL's, or restore them from back up, but I
have never done this. It is a simple Directory restore, or does the IS need
to get involved? If this could cause corruption, I might as well get busy
re-creating them..since I don't even want to go down the corruption road. 
Thanks for the insight,
Ron
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Re: Restore distribution lists

2002-05-30 Thread Tony Hlabse

Well they are objects in the exchange database. So I would look at doing a
restore sometime off hours.

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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:35 PM
Subject: Restore distribution lists


 All of my distribution lists were deleted by a sister company who THOUGHT
 they could delete them without effecting me. The THOUGHT the ADC was not
 functioning and that they had removed any connections to my 5.5 server.
 *sigh*
 So, I need to re-create all of my DL's, or restore them from back up, but
I
 have never done this. It is a simple Directory restore, or does the IS
need
 to get involved? If this could cause corruption, I might as well get busy
 re-creating them..since I don't even want to go down the corruption road.
 Thanks for the insight,
 Ron









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RE: restore exchange to different hardware

2002-05-22 Thread Roger Seielstad

Only if you know what you're doing. If you're unsure, its money well spent.

--
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Sr. Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:18 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 
 
 I can think of a hundred better ways to spend 245 dollars.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:16 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 
 
 Call Microsoft PSS... They'll walk you through it. Best $245 
 you'll ever
 spend.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Posted At: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:08 PM
 Posted To: Exchange List
 Conversation: restore exchange to different hardware
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 Importance: High
 
 
 I'm sorry that I did not mentioned it in subject or message body ...
 I'm talking about exchange 2000 on w2000 server AD controller .
 
 So there is more things to do than restoring Exchange 5.5.
 
 So can anyone help me with excchange 2000 on w2000 AD 
 controller ? Once
 again thanks for any advie ...
 
 
 Bye, Honza Novak
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:01 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 
 
 The hardware can be different.  You just need the same O/S 
 and Exchange
 level (version, sp etc).  The only thing that might go wrong 
 in your case is
 that the previous system had a multiprocessor HAL, and the 
 new one will be
 single proc HAL.  
 
 Obviously, you'll need the same server name, site name etc. etc.
 
 See
 http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/b
 ackuprestore.a
 sp
 
 Serdar Soysal
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:32 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: restore exchange to different hardware
 Importance: High
 
 
 Hello, 
 Last night our server crashed. We have all backups i think, 
 but we are not
 able to buy excatly same HW configuration for new server (it 
 was 2proc tyan
 thunder k7). We want to restore uor server from backups to a different
 machine whis is 1 proc, AMD Athlon. Is it possible to restore 
 it to that
 machine ? 
 
 If yes can anyone point me to some documents describing this 
 scenario ? 
 
 Thanks a lot for any advice 
 
 Bye, Honza Novak
 
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Re: restore exchange to different hardware

2002-05-22 Thread Kulwinder

Iam not sure if the hardware really matters, what you can do is setup your
server as similar as possible to the old server i.e. logs/db etcpaths
should be the same.  Restore the databases (online) making sure that
Org/site names are the same, also makesure that in the registry that
RestoreInProgress key is pointing to teh correct locations.

Then start the services.  You do  not have to do a isinteg -patch for
online restores.

If its Offline , thehn its pretty straight forwards provided your backups
are realiable.

Kulwinder

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RE: restore exchange to different hardware

2002-05-21 Thread Martin Blackstone

You should be able too.
The keys are having the same OS and SP, and the same Exch SP and hotfixes.
And read this
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupRestore.a
sp

-Original Message-
From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 9:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: restore exchange to different hardware
Importance: High


Hello, 
Last night our server crashed. We have all backups i think, but we are not
able to buy excatly same HW configuration for new server (it was 2proc tyan
thunder k7). We want to restore uor server from backups to a different
machine whis is 1 proc, AMD Athlon. Is it possible to restore it to that
machine ? 

If yes can anyone point me to some documents describing this scenario ? 

Thanks a lot for any advice 

Bye, Honza Novak

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RE: restore exchange to different hardware

2002-05-21 Thread Soysal, Serdar

The hardware can be different.  You just need the same O/S and Exchange
level (version, sp etc).  The only thing that might go wrong in your case is
that the previous system had a multiprocessor HAL, and the new one will be
single proc HAL.  

Obviously, you'll need the same server name, site name etc. etc.

See
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/backuprestore.a
sp

Serdar Soysal


-Original Message-
From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: restore exchange to different hardware
Importance: High


Hello, 
Last night our server crashed. We have all backups i think, but we are not
able to buy excatly same HW configuration for new server (it was 2proc tyan
thunder k7). We want to restore uor server from backups to a different
machine whis is 1 proc, AMD Athlon. Is it possible to restore it to that
machine ? 

If yes can anyone point me to some documents describing this scenario ? 

Thanks a lot for any advice 

Bye, Honza Novak

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RE: restore exchange to different hardware

2002-05-21 Thread Jan Novk

I'm sorry that I did not mentioned it in subject or message body ...
I'm talking about exchange 2000 on w2000 server AD controller .

So there is more things to do than restoring Exchange 5.5.

So can anyone help me with excchange 2000 on w2000 AD controller ? Once again thanks 
for any advie ...


Bye, Honza Novak

-Original Message-
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:01 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware


The hardware can be different.  You just need the same O/S and Exchange level 
(version, sp etc).  The only thing that might go wrong in your case is that the 
previous system had a multiprocessor HAL, and the new one will be single proc HAL.  

Obviously, you'll need the same server name, site name etc. etc.

See http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/backuprestore.a
sp

Serdar Soysal


-Original Message-
From: Jan Novk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: restore exchange to different hardware
Importance: High


Hello, 
Last night our server crashed. We have all backups i think, but we are not able to buy 
excatly same HW configuration for new server (it was 2proc tyan thunder k7). We want 
to restore uor server from backups to a different machine whis is 1 proc, AMD Athlon. 
Is it possible to restore it to that machine ? 

If yes can anyone point me to some documents describing this scenario ? 

Thanks a lot for any advice 

Bye, Honza Novak

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RE: restore exchange to different hardware

2002-05-21 Thread Ryan Malayter

Call Microsoft PSS... They'll walk you through it. Best $245 you'll ever spend.

-Original Message-
From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:08 PM
Posted To: Exchange List
Conversation: restore exchange to different hardware
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
Importance: High


I'm sorry that I did not mentioned it in subject or message body ...
I'm talking about exchange 2000 on w2000 server AD controller .

So there is more things to do than restoring Exchange 5.5.

So can anyone help me with excchange 2000 on w2000 AD controller ? Once again thanks 
for any advie ...


Bye, Honza Novak

-Original Message-
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:01 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware


The hardware can be different.  You just need the same O/S and Exchange level 
(version, sp etc).  The only thing that might go wrong in your case is that the 
previous system had a multiprocessor HAL, and the new one will be single proc HAL.  

Obviously, you'll need the same server name, site name etc. etc.

See http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/backuprestore.a
sp

Serdar Soysal


-Original Message-
From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: restore exchange to different hardware
Importance: High


Hello, 
Last night our server crashed. We have all backups i think, but we are not able to buy 
excatly same HW configuration for new server (it was 2proc tyan thunder k7). We want 
to restore uor server from backups to a different machine whis is 1 proc, AMD Athlon. 
Is it possible to restore it to that machine ? 

If yes can anyone point me to some documents describing this scenario ? 

Thanks a lot for any advice 

Bye, Honza Novak

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RE: restore exchange to different hardware

2002-05-21 Thread Callan, Chris

I can think of a hundred better ways to spend 245 dollars.

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware


Call Microsoft PSS... They'll walk you through it. Best $245 you'll ever
spend.

-Original Message-
From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:08 PM
Posted To: Exchange List
Conversation: restore exchange to different hardware
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
Importance: High


I'm sorry that I did not mentioned it in subject or message body ...
I'm talking about exchange 2000 on w2000 server AD controller .

So there is more things to do than restoring Exchange 5.5.

So can anyone help me with excchange 2000 on w2000 AD controller ? Once
again thanks for any advie ...


Bye, Honza Novak

-Original Message-
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:01 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware


The hardware can be different.  You just need the same O/S and Exchange
level (version, sp etc).  The only thing that might go wrong in your case is
that the previous system had a multiprocessor HAL, and the new one will be
single proc HAL.  

Obviously, you'll need the same server name, site name etc. etc.

See
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/backuprestore.a
sp

Serdar Soysal


-Original Message-
From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: restore exchange to different hardware
Importance: High


Hello, 
Last night our server crashed. We have all backups i think, but we are not
able to buy excatly same HW configuration for new server (it was 2proc tyan
thunder k7). We want to restore uor server from backups to a different
machine whis is 1 proc, AMD Athlon. Is it possible to restore it to that
machine ? 

If yes can anyone point me to some documents describing this scenario ? 

Thanks a lot for any advice 

Bye, Honza Novak

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RE: restore exchange to different hardware

2002-05-21 Thread Chris Scharff

That will solve his problem?
http://flyingpenguinproductions.com/boards/

 -Original Message-
 From: Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:18 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 
 
 I can think of a hundred better ways to spend 245 dollars.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:16 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 
 
 Call Microsoft PSS... They'll walk you through it. Best $245 
 you'll ever spend.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Posted At: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:08 PM
 Posted To: Exchange List
 Conversation: restore exchange to different hardware
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 Importance: High
 
 
 I'm sorry that I did not mentioned it in subject or message 
 body ... I'm talking about exchange 2000 on w2000 server AD 
 controller .
 
 So there is more things to do than restoring Exchange 5.5.
 
 So can anyone help me with excchange 2000 on w2000 AD 
 controller ? Once again thanks for any advie ...
 
 
 Bye, Honza Novak
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:01 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 
 
 The hardware can be different.  You just need the same O/S 
 and Exchange level (version, sp etc).  The only thing that 
 might go wrong in your case is that the previous system had a 
 multiprocessor HAL, and the new one will be single proc HAL.  
 
 Obviously, you'll need the same server name, site name etc. etc.
 
 See 
 http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/b
 ackuprestore.a
 sp
 
 Serdar Soysal
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:32 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: restore exchange to different hardware
 Importance: High
 
 
 Hello, 
 Last night our server crashed. We have all backups i think, 
 but we are not able to buy excatly same HW configuration for 
 new server (it was 2proc tyan thunder k7). We want to restore 
 uor server from backups to a different machine whis is 1 
 proc, AMD Athlon. Is it possible to restore it to that machine ? 
 
 If yes can anyone point me to some documents describing this 
 scenario ? 
 
 Thanks a lot for any advice 
 
 Bye, Honza Novak
 

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RE: restore exchange to different hardware

2002-05-21 Thread Andy David

quack


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware


That will solve his problem?
http://flyingpenguinproductions.com/boards/

 -Original Message-
 From: Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:18 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 
 
 I can think of a hundred better ways to spend 245 dollars.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:16 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 
 
 Call Microsoft PSS... They'll walk you through it. Best $245 
 you'll ever spend.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Posted At: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:08 PM
 Posted To: Exchange List
 Conversation: restore exchange to different hardware
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 Importance: High
 
 
 I'm sorry that I did not mentioned it in subject or message 
 body ... I'm talking about exchange 2000 on w2000 server AD 
 controller .
 
 So there is more things to do than restoring Exchange 5.5.
 
 So can anyone help me with excchange 2000 on w2000 AD 
 controller ? Once again thanks for any advie ...
 
 
 Bye, Honza Novak
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:01 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 
 
 The hardware can be different.  You just need the same O/S 
 and Exchange level (version, sp etc).  The only thing that 
 might go wrong in your case is that the previous system had a 
 multiprocessor HAL, and the new one will be single proc HAL.  
 
 Obviously, you'll need the same server name, site name etc. etc.
 
 See 
 http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/b
 ackuprestore.a
 sp
 
 Serdar Soysal
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:32 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: restore exchange to different hardware
 Importance: High
 
 
 Hello, 
 Last night our server crashed. We have all backups i think, 
 but we are not able to buy excatly same HW configuration for 
 new server (it was 2proc tyan thunder k7). We want to restore 
 uor server from backups to a different machine whis is 1 
 proc, AMD Athlon. Is it possible to restore it to that machine ? 
 
 If yes can anyone point me to some documents describing this 
 scenario ? 
 
 Thanks a lot for any advice 
 
 Bye, Honza Novak
 

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RE: restore exchange to different hardware

2002-05-21 Thread Dillon, Jeff

title or mating call?

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware


quack


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware


That will solve his problem?
http://flyingpenguinproductions.com/boards/

 -Original Message-
 From: Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:18 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 
 
 I can think of a hundred better ways to spend 245 dollars.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:16 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 
 
 Call Microsoft PSS... They'll walk you through it. Best $245 
 you'll ever spend.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Posted At: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:08 PM
 Posted To: Exchange List
 Conversation: restore exchange to different hardware
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 Importance: High
 
 
 I'm sorry that I did not mentioned it in subject or message 
 body ... I'm talking about exchange 2000 on w2000 server AD 
 controller .
 
 So there is more things to do than restoring Exchange 5.5.
 
 So can anyone help me with excchange 2000 on w2000 AD 
 controller ? Once again thanks for any advie ...
 
 
 Bye, Honza Novak
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:01 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
 
 
 The hardware can be different.  You just need the same O/S 
 and Exchange level (version, sp etc).  The only thing that 
 might go wrong in your case is that the previous system had a 
 multiprocessor HAL, and the new one will be single proc HAL.  
 
 Obviously, you'll need the same server name, site name etc. etc.
 
 See 
 http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/b
 ackuprestore.a
 sp
 
 Serdar Soysal
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:32 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: restore exchange to different hardware
 Importance: High
 
 
 Hello, 
 Last night our server crashed. We have all backups i think, 
 but we are not able to buy excatly same HW configuration for 
 new server (it was 2proc tyan thunder k7). We want to restore 
 uor server from backups to a different machine whis is 1 
 proc, AMD Athlon. Is it possible to restore it to that machine ? 
 
 If yes can anyone point me to some documents describing this 
 scenario ? 
 
 Thanks a lot for any advice 
 
 Bye, Honza Novak
 

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RE: restore exchange to different hardware

2002-05-21 Thread Ryan Malayter


Okay, I wasn't really thinking about golf clubs, booze, football tickets, or vacation 
travel.

So I guess it's just The best $245 of your company's money you'll ever spend when 
there's a server down and you don't know what the hell you're doing.

-Original Message-
From: Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:18 PM
Posted To: Exchange List
Conversation: restore exchange to different hardware
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware


I can think of a hundred better ways to spend 245 dollars.

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware


Call Microsoft PSS... They'll walk you through it. Best $245 you'll ever
spend.

-Original Message-
From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:08 PM
Posted To: Exchange List
Conversation: restore exchange to different hardware
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
Importance: High


I'm sorry that I did not mentioned it in subject or message body ...
I'm talking about exchange 2000 on w2000 server AD controller .

So there is more things to do than restoring Exchange 5.5.

So can anyone help me with excchange 2000 on w2000 AD controller ? Once
again thanks for any advie ...


Bye, Honza Novak

-Original Message-
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:01 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware


The hardware can be different.  You just need the same O/S and Exchange
level (version, sp etc).  The only thing that might go wrong in your case is
that the previous system had a multiprocessor HAL, and the new one will be
single proc HAL.  

Obviously, you'll need the same server name, site name etc. etc.

See
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/backuprestore.a
sp

Serdar Soysal


-Original Message-
From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: restore exchange to different hardware
Importance: High


Hello, 
Last night our server crashed. We have all backups i think, but we are not
able to buy excatly same HW configuration for new server (it was 2proc tyan
thunder k7). We want to restore uor server from backups to a different
machine whis is 1 proc, AMD Athlon. Is it possible to restore it to that
machine ? 

If yes can anyone point me to some documents describing this scenario ? 

Thanks a lot for any advice 

Bye, Honza Novak

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RE: restore exchange to different hardware

2002-05-21 Thread MS Exchange List


Hello,

I think it has gotten more complicated than 5.5, especially for different hardware.  
If you're going by the DR doc, light candles, make sacrifices, etc... that you'll be 
able to restore the System State to your different hardware. 

They have updated the E2K DR doc from the original one.  The new version of the E2K 
Disaster Recovery Doc (looks like released in March of this year) gives more warning 
of this than the earlier August 2000 DR doc, and some tips about using Safe mode, 
etc

The DR Mailbox Recovery Doc 
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/MailboxRecovery.doc  goes 
into more about recovering a server without restoring the System State, and what 
attributes you may need to modify.  It does not appear to have been updated since the 
original August 2000 release.

Good Luck,
Brent

-Original Message-
From: Jan Novk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:08 AM
Posted To: MS Exchange List
Conversation: restore exchange to different hardware
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware
Importance: High


I'm sorry that I did not mentioned it in subject or message body ...
I'm talking about exchange 2000 on w2000 server AD controller .

So there is more things to do than restoring Exchange 5.5.

So can anyone help me with excchange 2000 on w2000 AD controller ? Once again thanks 
for any advie ...


Bye, Honza Novak

-Original Message-
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:01 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: restore exchange to different hardware


The hardware can be different.  You just need the same O/S and Exchange level 
(version, sp etc).  The only thing that might go wrong in your case is that the 
previous system had a multiprocessor HAL, and the new one will be single proc HAL.  

Obviously, you'll need the same server name, site name etc. etc.

See http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/backuprestore.a
sp

Serdar Soysal


-Original Message-
From: Jan Novk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: restore exchange to different hardware
Importance: High


Hello, 
Last night our server crashed. We have all backups i think, but we are not able to buy 
excatly same HW configuration for new server (it was 2proc tyan thunder k7). We want 
to restore uor server from backups to a different machine whis is 1 proc, AMD Athlon. 
Is it possible to restore it to that machine ? 

If yes can anyone point me to some documents describing this scenario ? 

Thanks a lot for any advice 

Bye, Honza Novak

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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-19 Thread Soysal, Serdar

You can obviously do this, but there are a lot of concerns.  First off, what
would cause a corruption so bad that you need to restore?  It's usually
something flaky with the disk subsystem.  So, if you restore to the same
box, you simply are asking for trouble.  Of course, you can try to diagnose
and fix the hardware problem first and then perform the restore but that
will be a rather lenghty outage for your clients.  You've got to know what
your SLAs are and devise a recovery strategy that will allow you to meet
that.  If it requires you to purchase additional hardware, than that's what
you need to do.

I really prefer to have a standby server ready to go with sufficient disk
space, but YMMV.

Serdar Soysal


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore challenge


I know this seems like a rather stupid question.  Just in most
environments I have worked in, they always had extra server for this.  I
brought the point up because our company has supplied us with a restore
server.  The restore server they provided is an old box that does not have
enough space or enough power for us to perform a database recovery scenario.
I can do a full restore of the database however, in a scenario where the
database has been corrupted and you need to run utilities against the
database, it usually requires double whatever your database is.  We do not
have the space.  My co-worker stated that instead he would just try to
restore/recover on the same server that has corruption.  Maybe I'm thinking
of this the wrong way and just need to refresh my disaster recovery memory.
(I haven't had a crash in more than 4 years).  I just thought I would ask
opinion here...

LaCretia
 -Original Message-
From:   Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Restore challenge

You could restore it to the same box, another box, a PC, a Laptop, whatever.

You should DL and read the MS Exchange Disaster Recovery Whitepaper.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore challenge


I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server database
crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same box.  Can this
be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you need to have
another box identical to your production box in the case that you may have a
database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and let me know your
thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with that plan.


LaCretia

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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-19 Thread Soysal, Serdar

While it is possible to run it over a network share, I have seen it cause
more damage on a busy network (way back when in the Exchange 4.0 days,
during an offline defrag operation).

Serdar Soysal


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore challenge


Que? 

It's a legit question. If the database were corrupt due to a hardware
problem, it would be less than ideal to restore to that box or waiting n
hours for new hardware to arrive. I'd ideally want my recovery server to
have sufficient disk space to run database repair operations locally, but it
is possible (albeit slower) to run many of those operations to a network
drive.

 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:47 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore challenge
 
 
 Yuo = Teh loser
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:34 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Restore challenge
 
 
 I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5
 server database crashes, he would simply restore everything 
 back to the same box.  Can this be done?  In my years of 
 training, I was taught that you need to have another box 
 identical to your production box in the case that you may 
 have a database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and 
 let me know your thoughts.  Something tells me something is 
 wrong with that plan.
 
 
 LaCretia

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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread Martin Blackstone

You could restore it to the same box, another box, a PC, a Laptop, whatever.

You should DL and read the MS Exchange Disaster Recovery Whitepaper.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore challenge


I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server database
crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same box.  Can this
be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you need to have
another box identical to your production box in the case that you may have a
database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and let me know your
thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with that plan.


LaCretia

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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread Andy David

Sure. He can restore everything to same box assuming that that box and the
backups are usable.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore challenge


I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server database
crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same box.  Can this
be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you need to have
another box identical to your production box in the case that you may have a
database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and let me know your
thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with that plan.


LaCretia

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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread Christopher Hummert

Yuo = Teh loser

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I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server
database crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same
box.  Can this be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you
need to have another box identical to your production box in the case
that you may have a database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and
let me know your thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with
that plan.


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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread LSandoval

I know this seems like a rather stupid question.  Just in most
environments I have worked in, they always had extra server for this.  I
brought the point up because our company has supplied us with a restore
server.  The restore server they provided is an old box that does not have
enough space or enough power for us to perform a database recovery scenario.
I can do a full restore of the database however, in a scenario where the
database has been corrupted and you need to run utilities against the
database, it usually requires double whatever your database is.  We do not
have the space.  My co-worker stated that instead he would just try to
restore/recover on the same server that has corruption.  Maybe I'm thinking
of this the wrong way and just need to refresh my disaster recovery memory.
(I haven't had a crash in more than 4 years).  I just thought I would ask
opinion here...

LaCretia
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From:   Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:42 PM
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Subject:RE: Restore challenge

You could restore it to the same box, another box, a PC, a Laptop, whatever.

You should DL and read the MS Exchange Disaster Recovery Whitepaper.

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I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server database
crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same box.  Can this
be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you need to have
another box identical to your production box in the case that you may have a
database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and let me know your
thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with that plan.


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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread LSandoval

Flame me if you wish.. I've seen dumber questions posted!
 
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Subject:RE: Restore challenge

Yuo = Teh loser

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I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server
database crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same
box.  Can this be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you
need to have another box identical to your production box in the case
that you may have a database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and
let me know your thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with
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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread Andrew Chan

Are you saying that you don't have enough $$ to spend on bigger storage?
What kind box is this?  The 60Gig IDE drives are only $70...

Andrew,
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Subject: RE: Restore challenge


I know this seems like a rather stupid question.  Just in most
environments I have worked in, they always had extra server for this.  I
brought the point up because our company has supplied us with a restore
server.  The restore server they provided is an old box that does not
have enough space or enough power for us to perform a database recovery
scenario. I can do a full restore of the database however, in a scenario
where the database has been corrupted and you need to run utilities
against the database, it usually requires double whatever your database
is.  We do not have the space.  My co-worker stated that instead he
would just try to restore/recover on the same server that has
corruption.  Maybe I'm thinking of this the wrong way and just need to
refresh my disaster recovery memory. (I haven't had a crash in more than
4 years).  I just thought I would ask opinion here...

LaCretia
 -Original Message-
From:   Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:42 PM
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Subject:RE: Restore challenge

You could restore it to the same box, another box, a PC, a Laptop,
whatever.

You should DL and read the MS Exchange Disaster Recovery Whitepaper.

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Subject: Restore challenge


I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server
database crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same
box.  Can this be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you
need to have another box identical to your production box in the case
that you may have a database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and
let me know your thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with
that plan.


LaCretia

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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread Christopher Hummert

It wasen't a flame.I could if you wish


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Flame me if you wish.. I've seen dumber questions posted!
 
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Yuo = Teh loser

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I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server
database crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same
box.  Can this be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you
need to have another box identical to your production box in the case
that you may have a database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and
let me know your thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with
that plan.


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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread Andy David

Where is Hanji anyway?


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Flame me if you wish.. I've seen dumber questions posted!
 
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From:   Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:47 PM
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Subject:RE: Restore challenge

Yuo = Teh loser

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I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server
database crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same
box.  Can this be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you
need to have another box identical to your production box in the case
that you may have a database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and
let me know your thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with
that plan.


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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread Chris Scharff

Que? 

It's a legit question. If the database were corrupt due to a hardware
problem, it would be less than ideal to restore to that box or waiting n
hours for new hardware to arrive. I'd ideally want my recovery server to
have sufficient disk space to run database repair operations locally, but it
is possible (albeit slower) to run many of those operations to a network
drive.

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 Subject: RE: Restore challenge
 
 
 Yuo = Teh loser
 
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 I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 
 server database crashes, he would simply restore everything 
 back to the same box.  Can this be done?  In my years of 
 training, I was taught that you need to have another box 
 identical to your production box in the case that you may 
 have a database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and 
 let me know your thoughts.  Something tells me something is 
 wrong with that plan.
 
 
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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread LSandoval

Well, the question I posed to management is, How important is it that in
the event of a crash that you bring it up to the time of failure?  They
said they are expecting to lose a days worth of data.  I'm a consultant
here, so I really don't think the company knows or understands what they are
saying is okay.  I have been trying to draw this attention to my manager to
make sure that we are covered.  Like I told him If the company is ok with
it, I am ok with it.  The other administrator here started debating with me
about the fact that it doesn't matter because he would recover everything
back to the production box that crashes.  I didn't agree this was good
practice.  I was attempting to get the management to upgrade the restore
server.  With this debate I'm having with the other admin is causing my boss
to think we are covered.  That's why I was posting this.
 
 -Original Message-
From:   Andrew Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:55 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Restore challenge

Are you saying that you don't have enough $$ to spend on bigger storage?
What kind box is this?  The 60Gig IDE drives are only $70...

Andrew,
MCSE (NT  W2K) + CCNA


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Subject: RE: Restore challenge


I know this seems like a rather stupid question.  Just in most
environments I have worked in, they always had extra server for this.  I
brought the point up because our company has supplied us with a restore
server.  The restore server they provided is an old box that does not
have enough space or enough power for us to perform a database recovery
scenario. I can do a full restore of the database however, in a scenario
where the database has been corrupted and you need to run utilities
against the database, it usually requires double whatever your database
is.  We do not have the space.  My co-worker stated that instead he
would just try to restore/recover on the same server that has
corruption.  Maybe I'm thinking of this the wrong way and just need to
refresh my disaster recovery memory. (I haven't had a crash in more than
4 years).  I just thought I would ask opinion here...

LaCretia
 -Original Message-
From:   Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Restore challenge

You could restore it to the same box, another box, a PC, a Laptop,
whatever.

You should DL and read the MS Exchange Disaster Recovery Whitepaper.

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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:34 AM
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Subject: Restore challenge


I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server
database crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same
box.  Can this be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you
need to have another box identical to your production box in the case
that you may have a database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and
let me know your thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with
that plan.


LaCretia

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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread Martin Blackstone

Nobody called you stupid.

Having a recovery server is a great idea. Recovering to the original server
is not always an option. Sure, if you blow the IS to smithereens, why not?
But what about hardware failures? What if you need a mailbox from an ex
employee that left 2 months ago? What about testing?
In all those cases, a restore server is going to come in real handy.

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I know this seems like a rather stupid question.  Just in most
environments I have worked in, they always had extra server for this.  I
brought the point up because our company has supplied us with a restore
server.  The restore server they provided is an old box that does not have
enough space or enough power for us to perform a database recovery scenario.
I can do a full restore of the database however, in a scenario where the
database has been corrupted and you need to run utilities against the
database, it usually requires double whatever your database is.  We do not
have the space.  My co-worker stated that instead he would just try to
restore/recover on the same server that has corruption.  Maybe I'm thinking
of this the wrong way and just need to refresh my disaster recovery memory.
(I haven't had a crash in more than 4 years).  I just thought I would ask
opinion here...

LaCretia
 -Original Message-
From:   Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Restore challenge

You could restore it to the same box, another box, a PC, a Laptop, whatever.

You should DL and read the MS Exchange Disaster Recovery Whitepaper.

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Subject: Restore challenge


I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server database
crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same box.  Can this
be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you need to have
another box identical to your production box in the case that you may have a
database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and let me know your
thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with that plan.


LaCretia

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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread LSandoval

I guess I should say one other thing.  The question I guess isn't whether
you can do it, but is this a good practice to use?
 
 -Original Message-
From:   Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 1:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Restore challenge

Where is Hanji anyway?


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Subject: RE: Restore challenge


Flame me if you wish.. I've seen dumber questions posted!
 
 -Original Message-
From:   Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Restore challenge

Yuo = Teh loser

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I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server
database crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same
box.  Can this be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you
need to have another box identical to your production box in the case
that you may have a database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and
let me know your thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with
that plan.


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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread LSandoval

NO.. no I get enough flaming from my boss.. thank you though. :)

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It wasen't a flame.I could if you wish


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Flame me if you wish.. I've seen dumber questions posted!
 
 -Original Message-
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Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:47 PM
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Subject:RE: Restore challenge

Yuo = Teh loser

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Subject: Restore challenge


I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server
database crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same
box.  Can this be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you
need to have another box identical to your production box in the case
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let me know your thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with
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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread Martin Blackstone

???

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Yuo = Teh loser

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I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server database
crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same box.  Can this
be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you need to have
another box identical to your production box in the case that you may have a
database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and let me know your
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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread Martin Blackstone

I use a PC for mine.

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Are you saying that you don't have enough $$ to spend on bigger storage?
What kind box is this?  The 60Gig IDE drives are only $70...

Andrew,
MCSE (NT  W2K) + CCNA


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Subject: RE: Restore challenge


I know this seems like a rather stupid question.  Just in most
environments I have worked in, they always had extra server for this.  I
brought the point up because our company has supplied us with a restore
server.  The restore server they provided is an old box that does not have
enough space or enough power for us to perform a database recovery scenario.
I can do a full restore of the database however, in a scenario where the
database has been corrupted and you need to run utilities against the
database, it usually requires double whatever your database is.  We do not
have the space.  My co-worker stated that instead he would just try to
restore/recover on the same server that has corruption.  Maybe I'm thinking
of this the wrong way and just need to refresh my disaster recovery memory.
(I haven't had a crash in more than 4 years).  I just thought I would ask
opinion here...

LaCretia
 -Original Message-
From:   Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Restore challenge

You could restore it to the same box, another box, a PC, a Laptop, whatever.

You should DL and read the MS Exchange Disaster Recovery Whitepaper.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore challenge


I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server database
crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same box.  Can this
be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you need to have
another box identical to your production box in the case that you may have a
database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and let me know your
thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with that plan.


LaCretia

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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread Andy David

Like Mr. Scharff stated, I think it depends on the situation and what caused
the corruption in the first place. 
But, in of itself, if I had to do a restore of my entire production boxen, I
would be putting it back on the original server.




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I guess I should say one other thing.  The question I guess isn't whether
you can do it, but is this a good practice to use?
 
 -Original Message-
From:   Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 1:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Restore challenge

Where is Hanji anyway?


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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Restore challenge


Flame me if you wish.. I've seen dumber questions posted!
 
 -Original Message-
From:   Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Restore challenge

Yuo = Teh loser

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I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server
database crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same
box.  Can this be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you
need to have another box identical to your production box in the case
that you may have a database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and
let me know your thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with
that plan.


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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread LSandoval

I guess if a scenario came up and the database was corrupted you would just
need enough space to run the utilities against the database to fix it.  So I
guess your production box would work if you have double the space available
to run your utilities against it.  I don't know.  I have never practiced
this way.  For restore of user mailboxes.. yes, I can use an old restore box
that is a clunker.  For disaster recovery of a corrupt database no or more
serious problem, I always had a server that was identical to my production
box so I could swap the boxes out in the case of a serious problem.
 
 -Original Message-
From:   Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 1:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Restore challenge

Nobody called you stupid.

Having a recovery server is a great idea. Recovering to the original server
is not always an option. Sure, if you blow the IS to smithereens, why not?
But what about hardware failures? What if you need a mailbox from an ex
employee that left 2 months ago? What about testing?
In all those cases, a restore server is going to come in real handy.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore challenge


I know this seems like a rather stupid question.  Just in most
environments I have worked in, they always had extra server for this.  I
brought the point up because our company has supplied us with a restore
server.  The restore server they provided is an old box that does not have
enough space or enough power for us to perform a database recovery scenario.
I can do a full restore of the database however, in a scenario where the
database has been corrupted and you need to run utilities against the
database, it usually requires double whatever your database is.  We do not
have the space.  My co-worker stated that instead he would just try to
restore/recover on the same server that has corruption.  Maybe I'm thinking
of this the wrong way and just need to refresh my disaster recovery memory.
(I haven't had a crash in more than 4 years).  I just thought I would ask
opinion here...

LaCretia
 -Original Message-
From:   Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Restore challenge

You could restore it to the same box, another box, a PC, a Laptop, whatever.

You should DL and read the MS Exchange Disaster Recovery Whitepaper.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore challenge


I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server database
crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same box.  Can this
be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you need to have
another box identical to your production box in the case that you may have a
database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and let me know your
thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with that plan.


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RE: Restore challenge

2002-03-18 Thread Andy David

Yea, but you can restore your info store to a floppy.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore challenge


I use a PC for mine.

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore challenge


Are you saying that you don't have enough $$ to spend on bigger storage?
What kind box is this?  The 60Gig IDE drives are only $70...

Andrew,
MCSE (NT  W2K) + CCNA


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Posted At: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:48 AM
Posted To: DiscussionGroup
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Subject: RE: Restore challenge


I know this seems like a rather stupid question.  Just in most
environments I have worked in, they always had extra server for this.  I
brought the point up because our company has supplied us with a restore
server.  The restore server they provided is an old box that does not have
enough space or enough power for us to perform a database recovery scenario.
I can do a full restore of the database however, in a scenario where the
database has been corrupted and you need to run utilities against the
database, it usually requires double whatever your database is.  We do not
have the space.  My co-worker stated that instead he would just try to
restore/recover on the same server that has corruption.  Maybe I'm thinking
of this the wrong way and just need to refresh my disaster recovery memory.
(I haven't had a crash in more than 4 years).  I just thought I would ask
opinion here...

LaCretia
 -Original Message-
From:   Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, March 18, 2002 12:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Restore challenge

You could restore it to the same box, another box, a PC, a Laptop, whatever.

You should DL and read the MS Exchange Disaster Recovery Whitepaper.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore challenge


I have another co-worker who stated that if our Exchange 5.5 server database
crashes, he would simply restore everything back to the same box.  Can this
be done?  In my years of training, I was taught that you need to have
another box identical to your production box in the case that you may have a
database crash.  Please help me put this to rest and let me know your
thoughts.  Something tells me something is wrong with that plan.


LaCretia

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RE: Restore problem on Exchange 5.5 - dir will not start

2002-01-10 Thread Harmon, Josh

Ed C. asks:
The server you're restoring to has the same organization and site name as
your production environment but was installed without joining the site,
right? 
===
Well... yes an no.  

When I first created the environment I did so following the DR whitepaper
which says:
4.  Select Create New Site (do not select Join Existing Site).
5.  Use the same organization and site names.

And from part 2:
Question 35: If I have a good backup of the directory and information store
and I am restoring a server to an existing site by reinstalling Exchange,
should I select Create New Site or Join Existing Site during the Exchange
installation?
Answer: Be sure to select Create New Site. Do not select Join Existing Site.
When you restart the server after restoring the databases, the restored
server automatically synchronizes with existing servers in the site-even
when you select Create New Site. If you attempt to Join Existing Site, you
will receive an error because other servers in the site already have
knowledge of the server you are restoring (its name matches the name of the
crashed server). 

So I did that on all four machines using a Jan 1 backup... Directory
connections work fine at that point (make a change on one and replicated
out).  It wasn't until I restored to December 13th that I had a problem.
And all I did for that restore was a restore from an online backup (using
Backup Exec).   When that failed... I thought maybe it had to do with a bad
exchange install so at this point I did uninstall and reinstall exchange
(using above directiongs) and re-ran the restore.  I finally got the one
server to work by turning off the other directories.  I agree that the
directories would not co-exist or replicate... but where was my mistake.  Am
I misreading the DR. document?  Obviously something went wrong... but I
would like to figure out what my misstep was before it becomes a production
issue. 

Appreciate your time Ed.

Josh
-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore problem on Exchange 5.5 - dir will not start


The server you're restoring to has the same organization and site name as
your production environment but was installed without joining the site,
right?  You don't want to do that kind of a restore to a production machine.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Harmon, Josh
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore problem on Exchange 5.5 - dir will not start


I've got a test environment where I've done multiple restores over the past
four years.  Currently it's setup in a pretty precise mirror image of what i
have in production.  4 Exchange servers, same site, same org.  I had to do a
restore on one of the servers yesterday and bring it back to December 13th
(yup... they deleted a file that fell outside of our 21 day recover deleted
items window!).

Anyway, after the restore from December 13th--the directory service wouldn't
start, I finally got it to start by shutting down the other 3 exchange
servers... and then the dir service started on the restored system.  I could
also start the exchange services on the other 3 systems.   However, I still
cannot shutdown the service on the restored exchange server and restart the
directory service.

No error event logs just the took too long to start error message on
the Win2k server.  The event log just shows a startup and a shutdown of the
directory service.  I thought it might have to do with the old date of the
restore so I restored the server with the original dir and info store
from Jan 1.   Same result.  Any ideas?

All servers are
Windows 2000 Server, sp2
Exchange 5.5 sp4
Did install ADC (from ex sp2 cd) on one of the AD servers in the
testnetwork... although the service is stopped in all scenarios.

Josh Harmon

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RE: Restore problem on Exchange 5.5 - dir will not start

2002-01-10 Thread Ed Crowley

What you're seeing should absolutely not happen.  Exchange doesn't go out
and look for other servers.  Something somebody did joined that server to
your existing site.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Harmon, Josh
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore problem on Exchange 5.5 - dir will not start


Ed C. asks:
The server you're restoring to has the same organization and site name as
your production environment but was installed without joining the site,
right?
===
Well... yes an no.

When I first created the environment I did so following the DR whitepaper
which says:
4.  Select Create New Site (do not select Join Existing Site).
5.  Use the same organization and site names.

And from part 2:
Question 35: If I have a good backup of the directory and information store
and I am restoring a server to an existing site by reinstalling Exchange,
should I select Create New Site or Join Existing Site during the Exchange
installation?
Answer: Be sure to select Create New Site. Do not select Join Existing Site.
When you restart the server after restoring the databases, the restored
server automatically synchronizes with existing servers in the site-even
when you select Create New Site. If you attempt to Join Existing Site, you
will receive an error because other servers in the site already have
knowledge of the server you are restoring (its name matches the name of the
crashed server).

So I did that on all four machines using a Jan 1 backup... Directory
connections work fine at that point (make a change on one and replicated
out).  It wasn't until I restored to December 13th that I had a problem.
And all I did for that restore was a restore from an online backup (using
Backup Exec).   When that failed... I thought maybe it had to do with a bad
exchange install so at this point I did uninstall and reinstall exchange
(using above directiongs) and re-ran the restore.  I finally got the one
server to work by turning off the other directories.  I agree that the
directories would not co-exist or replicate... but where was my mistake.  Am
I misreading the DR. document?  Obviously something went wrong... but I
would like to figure out what my misstep was before it becomes a production
issue.

Appreciate your time Ed.

Josh
-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore problem on Exchange 5.5 - dir will not start


The server you're restoring to has the same organization and site name as
your production environment but was installed without joining the site,
right?  You don't want to do that kind of a restore to a production machine.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Harmon, Josh
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore problem on Exchange 5.5 - dir will not start


I've got a test environment where I've done multiple restores over the past
four years.  Currently it's setup in a pretty precise mirror image of what i
have in production.  4 Exchange servers, same site, same org.  I had to do a
restore on one of the servers yesterday and bring it back to December 13th
(yup... they deleted a file that fell outside of our 21 day recover deleted
items window!).

Anyway, after the restore from December 13th--the directory service wouldn't
start, I finally got it to start by shutting down the other 3 exchange
servers... and then the dir service started on the restored system.  I could
also start the exchange services on the other 3 systems.   However, I still
cannot shutdown the service on the restored exchange server and restart the
directory service.

No error event logs just the took too long to start error message on
the Win2k server.  The event log just shows a startup and a shutdown of the
directory service.  I thought it might have to do with the old date of the
restore so I restored the server with the original dir and info store
from Jan 1.   Same result.  Any ideas?

All servers are
Windows 2000 Server, sp2
Exchange 5.5 sp4
Did install ADC (from ex sp2 cd) on one of the AD servers in the
testnetwork... although the service is stopped in all scenarios.

Josh Harmon

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RE: Restore problem on Exchange 5.5 - dir will not start

2002-01-10 Thread Ed Crowley

What you're seeing should absolutely not happen.  Exchange doesn't go out
and look for other servers.  Something somebody did joined that server to
your existing site.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
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Compaq Computer
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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore problem on Exchange 5.5 - dir will not start


Ed C. asks:
The server you're restoring to has the same organization and site name as
your production environment but was installed without joining the site,
right?
===
Well... yes an no.

When I first created the environment I did so following the DR whitepaper
which says:
4.  Select Create New Site (do not select Join Existing Site).
5.  Use the same organization and site names.

And from part 2:
Question 35: If I have a good backup of the directory and information store
and I am restoring a server to an existing site by reinstalling Exchange,
should I select Create New Site or Join Existing Site during the Exchange
installation?
Answer: Be sure to select Create New Site. Do not select Join Existing Site.
When you restart the server after restoring the databases, the restored
server automatically synchronizes with existing servers in the site-even
when you select Create New Site. If you attempt to Join Existing Site, you
will receive an error because other servers in the site already have
knowledge of the server you are restoring (its name matches the name of the
crashed server).

So I did that on all four machines using a Jan 1 backup... Directory
connections work fine at that point (make a change on one and replicated
out).  It wasn't until I restored to December 13th that I had a problem.
And all I did for that restore was a restore from an online backup (using
Backup Exec).   When that failed... I thought maybe it had to do with a bad
exchange install so at this point I did uninstall and reinstall exchange
(using above directiongs) and re-ran the restore.  I finally got the one
server to work by turning off the other directories.  I agree that the
directories would not co-exist or replicate... but where was my mistake.  Am
I misreading the DR. document?  Obviously something went wrong... but I
would like to figure out what my misstep was before it becomes a production
issue.

Appreciate your time Ed.

Josh



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RE: Restore Help Needed!

2001-12-19 Thread Drewski

Why do you need Active directory for the restore?

Heck, just install NT and Exchange 5.5, restore the Public Store, export all the
public folders to PST (Exmerge) and move 'em over...

-- Drew

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hooks, Tim
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore Help Needed!


Wow did I mess up...

I cut all of our users over to a new Exchange 2000 server from 5.5 last week.
That went fine. I followed all the instructions for shutting down the 5.5 server
once and for all and did so today. I should have tested a bit more - once I
deleted the 5.5 server from the organization I realized that only some of the
5.5 public folders had replicated. Problem #1  is I need to get some of that
Public Folder data back. I welcome your suggestions on how to do so.

Here is the plan I am working on (and problem #2) - build a 2000 server off the
network,  as its own domain (to keep computer name, domain name the same, etc
for the restore), install Exchange 5.5 SP4, and then restore the 5.5 files from
tape to this server - does this make sense to all of you? Or do you have a
better idea?

Problem #2 is I can't get active directory to install as it is not connected to
the internet and reports a DNS error trying to resolve the FQDN. I have
installed DNS and made this server the SOA and NS and a host record, as well as
the default gateway and primary DNS server. Any ideas on how to get this
working? Am I just missing an SOA record that has only single period in it or
something like that? Thanks for your help - I really want to be home for
Christmas ;-)

Timothy Hooks


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RE: Restore Help Needed!

2001-12-19 Thread Martin Blackstone

Tada!! We have a winner.

-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore Help Needed!


Why do you need Active directory for the restore?

Heck, just install NT and Exchange 5.5, restore the Public Store, export all
the
public folders to PST (Exmerge) and move 'em over...

-- Drew

Visit http://www.drewncapris.net!  Go!  Go there now!
The time is always right to do the right thing. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hooks, Tim
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore Help Needed!


Wow did I mess up...

I cut all of our users over to a new Exchange 2000 server from 5.5 last
week.
That went fine. I followed all the instructions for shutting down the 5.5
server
once and for all and did so today. I should have tested a bit more - once I
deleted the 5.5 server from the organization I realized that only some of
the
5.5 public folders had replicated. Problem #1  is I need to get some of that
Public Folder data back. I welcome your suggestions on how to do so.

Here is the plan I am working on (and problem #2) - build a 2000 server off
the
network,  as its own domain (to keep computer name, domain name the same,
etc
for the restore), install Exchange 5.5 SP4, and then restore the 5.5 files
from
tape to this server - does this make sense to all of you? Or do you have a
better idea?

Problem #2 is I can't get active directory to install as it is not connected
to
the internet and reports a DNS error trying to resolve the FQDN. I have
installed DNS and made this server the SOA and NS and a host record, as well
as
the default gateway and primary DNS server. Any ideas on how to get this
working? Am I just missing an SOA record that has only single period in it
or
something like that? Thanks for your help - I really want to be home for
Christmas ;-)

Timothy Hooks


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RE: Restore Help Needed!

2001-12-19 Thread Hooks, Tim

I was under the impression to do the restore you should rebuild the server just as it 
was - this one was a DC, etc, etc. No?

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:27 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore Help Needed!


Tada!! We have a winner.

-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore Help Needed!


Why do you need Active directory for the restore?

Heck, just install NT and Exchange 5.5, restore the Public Store, export all
the
public folders to PST (Exmerge) and move 'em over...

-- Drew

Visit http://www.drewncapris.net!  Go!  Go there now!
The time is always right to do the right thing. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hooks, Tim
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore Help Needed!


Wow did I mess up...

I cut all of our users over to a new Exchange 2000 server from 5.5 last
week.
That went fine. I followed all the instructions for shutting down the 5.5
server
once and for all and did so today. I should have tested a bit more - once I
deleted the 5.5 server from the organization I realized that only some of
the
5.5 public folders had replicated. Problem #1  is I need to get some of that
Public Folder data back. I welcome your suggestions on how to do so.

Here is the plan I am working on (and problem #2) - build a 2000 server off
the
network,  as its own domain (to keep computer name, domain name the same,
etc
for the restore), install Exchange 5.5 SP4, and then restore the 5.5 files
from
tape to this server - does this make sense to all of you? Or do you have a
better idea?

Problem #2 is I can't get active directory to install as it is not connected
to
the internet and reports a DNS error trying to resolve the FQDN. I have
installed DNS and made this server the SOA and NS and a host record, as well
as
the default gateway and primary DNS server. Any ideas on how to get this
working? Am I just missing an SOA record that has only single period in it
or
something like that? Thanks for your help - I really want to be home for
Christmas ;-)

Timothy Hooks


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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Mark Hanji

How can you know it will always a bad thing?

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
 Precht
 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
 Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Van Huissteden,
 Adriaan
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56 
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Restore
 
 
 Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on Exchange Server 2K?
 Thanks
 
 Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
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 Connect Credit Union
 Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville

Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs BLB's
then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.  

-Original Message-
From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


How can you know it will always a bad thing?

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From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
 Precht
 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
 Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
Van Huissteden,
 Adriaan
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56 
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Restore
 
 
 Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on 
Exchange Server 2K?
 Thanks
 
 Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
 Network Administrator
 Connect Credit Union
 Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Mark Hanji

MS , or third party product, may give an option to backup and restore
mailbox is more robust way than via MAPI, in the future.

And about your second sentence I hope you don't waste your time by
restoring exchange boxes
every 2-3 days.

It is time for people here to look a bit beyond BLB is bad. the market has
many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


- Original Message -
From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
  Network Administrator
  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Amir El Aziq

Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


 -Original Message-
 From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
  Network Administrator
  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Couch, Nate

Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an
Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far more
time and tons more tape than necessary.

You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one would
almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with so few
users.

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

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 From: Amir El Aziq
 Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: Restore
 
 Scenario:
 5 users in the organisation.
 1 server for file/print/email
 Full Online Exchange backup every night.
 Exchange BLB every night also.
 Data backup every night.
 All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
 
 Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
 BLB's
  then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Re: Restore
  
  
  How can you know it will always a bad thing?
  
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  From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
  Subject: RE: Restore
  
  
   Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
  
   -Original Message-
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   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
   Precht
   Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Restore
  
  
   Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
  
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   Subject: Restore
  
  
   Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
  Exchange Server 2K?
   Thanks
  
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   Connect Credit Union
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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Amir El Aziq

Thats not what I asked.  As an enterprise level architect I appreciate the
drawbacks of BLB in that situation.  My point is that BLB is not bad for
_everyone_.

There is no drawback in doing BLB to the situation I described below.  Or am
I wrong?

 -Original Message-
 From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 13:30
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an
 Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far more
 time and tons more tape than necessary.

 You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one would
 almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with so few
 users.

 Nate Couch
 EDS Messaging

  --
  From: Amir El Aziq
  Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Restore
 
  Scenario:
  5 users in the organisation.
  1 server for file/print/email
  Full Online Exchange backup every night.
  Exchange BLB every night also.
  Data backup every night.
  All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
 
  Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Restore
  
  
   Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin
   needs
  BLB's
   then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: Re: Restore
   
   
   How can you know it will always a bad thing?
   
   - Original Message -
   From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
   Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David
N. Precht
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in
2k ?
   
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   Van Huissteden,
Adriaan
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore
   
   
Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
   Exchange Server 2K?
Thanks
   
Adriaan Van Huissteden
   
Network Administrator
Connect Credit Union
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Kevin Miller

If you need to restore from BLBs with 5 users there really something
wrong. Check out the Ed never restore method in the FAQ.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


Thats not what I asked.  As an enterprise level architect I appreciate
the drawbacks of BLB in that situation.  My point is that BLB is not bad
for _everyone_.

There is no drawback in doing BLB to the situation I described below.
Or am I wrong?

 -Original Message-
 From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 13:30
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an 
 Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far 
 more time and tons more tape than necessary.

 You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one 
 would almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with 
 so few users.

 Nate Couch
 EDS Messaging

  --
  From: Amir El Aziq
  Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Restore
 
  Scenario:
  5 users in the organisation.
  1 server for file/print/email
  Full Online Exchange backup every night.
  Exchange BLB every night also.
  Data backup every night.
  All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
 
  Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Restore
  
  
   Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin 
   needs
  BLB's
   then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: Re: Restore
   
   
   How can you know it will always a bad thing?
   
   - Original Message -
   From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
   Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
David N. Precht
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in

2k ?
   
-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
   Van Huissteden,
Adriaan
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore
   
   
Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
   Exchange Server 2K?
Thanks
   
Adriaan Van Huissteden
   
Network Administrator
Connect Credit Union
Phone: (03) 6233 0660
   
   
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely

Bad habits are Bad habits.  If you have them, you will continue to use
them.  BLB's are a Bad Habit.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


Thats not what I asked.  As an enterprise level architect I appreciate
the drawbacks of BLB in that situation.  My point is that BLB is not bad
for _everyone_.

There is no drawback in doing BLB to the situation I described below.
Or am I wrong?

 -Original Message-
 From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 13:30
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an 
 Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far 
 more time and tons more tape than necessary.

 You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one 
 would almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with 
 so few users.

 Nate Couch
 EDS Messaging

  --
  From: Amir El Aziq
  Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Restore
 
  Scenario:
  5 users in the organisation.
  1 server for file/print/email
  Full Online Exchange backup every night.
  Exchange BLB every night also.
  Data backup every night.
  All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
 
  Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Restore
  
  
   Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin 
   needs
  BLB's
   then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: Re: Restore
   
   
   How can you know it will always a bad thing?
   
   - Original Message -
   From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
   Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
David N. Precht
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in

2k ?
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
   Van Huissteden,
Adriaan
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore
   
   
Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
   Exchange Server 2K?
Thanks
   
Adriaan Van Huissteden
   
Network Administrator
Connect Credit Union
Phone: (03) 6233 0660
   
   
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville

And about your second sentence I hope you don't 
waste your time by
restoring exchange boxes
every 2-3 days.
I know how to admin my exchange boxes.  I have never, nor will I ever need
to restore a single mailbox.  I use proven methods, not the crutch termed
BLB.  Now go away you TROLL

Matthew

No. No. Please don't give me all the details.  It's more fun if you keep me
in the dark.



-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


MS , or third party product, may give an option to backup and restore
mailbox is more robust way than via MAPI, in the future.

And about your second sentence I hope you don't 
waste your time by
restoring exchange boxes
every 2-3 days.

It is time for people here to look a bit beyond BLB is 
bad. the market has
many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange 
admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be 
true in 2k ?
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
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  Connect Credit Union
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Robert Moir



-Original Message-
From: Amir El Aziq
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 05/10/01 13:03
Subject: Re: Restore

 Scenario:
 5 users in the organisation.
 1 server for file/print/email
 Full Online Exchange backup every night.
 Exchange BLB every night also.
 Data backup every night.
 All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

 Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.

You have reduced the scale of your exchange system to a size where the bad
points of BLBs have not yet reared up and bit your mythical scenario admin.
That still doesn't make BLBs a good idea, in the same way that one hit of
heroin probably won't kill you, but it still might not be a good idea to
take some.

I could send all of your users a bunch of large emails (say 5 emails of
100mb to all 5 users) and your single-instance-storage-breaking BLB backup
isn't quite so elegant anymore.

Regards
-- 
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IT Systems Engineer, 
Luton Sixth Form College
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski

because it's not the way Exchange was designed, and you want to have your
third-party solutions be designed to work with your mission critical apps,
not the other way around.

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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


How can you know it will always a bad thing?

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From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
 Precht
 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?

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 Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on Exchange Server 2K?
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski

Possible corruption of the store.

Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for your
tape drive.

The wrath of the list.  :P

Drew

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Subject: Re: Restore


Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


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 From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
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 Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
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  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
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  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
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  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
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  Thanks
 
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski

assuming she has the time in the day, yes.  Assuming the BLB doesn't corrupt
the database, like it did at my company -- the mail admin is still getting
crap from the CEO for losing parts of his mail.

When I was still admin-ing Exchange on a regular basis, there WAS no BLB --
and yet, somehow, I wasn't restoring from backup every two or three days.
Deleted Item Retention and Dumpsteralwayson are all you really need, unless
you actually have a disaster -- and then you're doing a disaster recovery
anyway.

Can it work?  Sure.  Can you guarantee it will work?  Heck, no.

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Subject: Re: Restore


MS , or third party product, may give an option to backup and restore
mailbox is more robust way than via MAPI, in the future.

And about your second sentence I hope you don't waste your time by
restoring exchange boxes
every 2-3 days.

It is time for people here to look a bit beyond BLB is bad. the market has
many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
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 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
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  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
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  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
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  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
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  Connect Credit Union
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Martin Blackstone

What are these new solutions???
Unless something has changed, BLB is still the same as it always
wasBAD

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


It is time for people here to look a bit beyond BLB is
bad. the market has
many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


- Original Message -
From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange
admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
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 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
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  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be
true in 2k ?
 
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  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
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  Thanks
 
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  Connect Credit Union
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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Amir El Aziq

 Possible corruption of the store.

Hmmm...

 Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for
your
 tape drive.

Uh huh..

 The wrath of the list.  :P

List wrath  I've got a theory that it's a similar concept to Road Rage.
Because listers don't have to meet each other (much), its easier to sling
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consequences.  I reckon half the people on this list would actually get on
pretty well with the ones they slagg off, if they ever met them. [1]

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread John Allhiser

No soup for you!

John Allhiser MCSE CCNA
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-Original Message-
From: Amir El Aziq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


 Possible corruption of the store.

Hmmm...

 Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for
your
 tape drive.

Uh huh..

 The wrath of the list.  :P

List wrath  I've got a theory that it's a similar concept to Road Rage.
Because listers don't have to meet each other (much), its easier to sling
mud and make dodgy vernacular gestures without ever considering the
consequences.  I reckon half the people on this list would actually get on
pretty well with the ones they slagg off, if they ever met them. [1]

[1] There will always be exceptions [2]
[2] I hate you all [3]
[3] Not all, just some.[4]
[4] I may have loved those people in a previous life


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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville

Posting twice, Go punish your self

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


What are these new solutions???
Unless something has changed, BLB is still the same as it 
always wasBAD

-Original Message-
From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


It is time for people here to look a bit beyond BLB is bad. the 
market has many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


- Original Message -
From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange
admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be
true in 2k ?
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
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  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
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  Connect Credit Union
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Herrick, Michael

Why BLB = BAD. A true tale from my last company.
After 3 months of banging their heads, the idiots at a remote site got BLB 
restores to work in test. So they ran it on the production box. I was
adamant that the Exchange online backup be run first. That took about 2-3
hours. The BLB took over 12 hours.

So, the VP needed a message restored from the previous day that was
shift-deleted. Can't do it yet. BLB was still in progress. He has to wait.
The next day, they restore his mailbox. And the message was not there! VP is
unhappy. So they go to the next day's tape (a day later). Still no message.
Seems like it came and went between BLB's. VP is now beyond irate. Calls the
CIO. Who calls me. I have DumpsterAlwaysOn. Go into VP's mailbox and give
him his message in 2 minutes.

Oh yes, most of their problems were permissions/UghServe related. So the
full restore did not work. While they had practiced restores, they never
opened a mailbox. Just accepted the logging information that the restore was
complete.

Do not waste your time on BLB. Deleted Items Retention, DumpsterAlwaysOn on
an admin workstation, Circular logging OFF. Practice restores. Read the FAQ.
Sleep easy. And keep the untrained away from the server.

Michael Herrick
Groton CIT Messaging Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


Possible corruption of the store.

Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for your
tape drive.

The wrath of the list.  :P

Drew

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other. (Mother Theresa)

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-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


 -Original Message-
 From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
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  Thanks
 
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

I totally second that opinion !  Could not have said it better
myself.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Herrick,
Michael
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:36
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


Why BLB = BAD. A true tale from my last company.
After 3 months of banging their heads, the idiots at a remote site got BLB 
restores to work in test. So they ran it on the production box. I was
adamant that the Exchange online backup be run first. That took about 2-3
hours. The BLB took over 12 hours.

So, the VP needed a message restored from the previous day that was
shift-deleted. Can't do it yet. BLB was still in progress. He has to wait.
The next day, they restore his mailbox. And the message was not there! VP is
unhappy. So they go to the next day's tape (a day later). Still no message.
Seems like it came and went between BLB's. VP is now beyond irate. Calls the
CIO. Who calls me. I have DumpsterAlwaysOn. Go into VP's mailbox and give
him his message in 2 minutes.

Oh yes, most of their problems were permissions/UghServe related. So the
full restore did not work. While they had practiced restores, they never
opened a mailbox. Just accepted the logging information that the restore was
complete.

Do not waste your time on BLB. Deleted Items Retention, DumpsterAlwaysOn on
an admin workstation, Circular logging OFF. Practice restores. Read the FAQ.
Sleep easy. And keep the untrained away from the server.

Michael Herrick
Groton CIT Messaging Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


Possible corruption of the store.

Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for your
tape drive.

The wrath of the list.  :P

Drew

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-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


 -Original Message-
 From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
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  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
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  Connect Credit Union
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

takes too DAMN long... and not worth its weight

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin
Blackstone
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:14 
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


What are these new solutions???
Unless something has changed, BLB is still the same as it always
wasBAD

-Original Message-
From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


It is time for people here to look a bit beyond BLB is
bad. the market has
many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


- Original Message -
From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange
admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be
true in 2k ?
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
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  Connect Credit Union
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville

BravoBravo..Bravo..

You BLB users, keep doing what your doing, you make us True Exchange Admins
look like geniuses..

-Original Message-
From: Herrick, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


Why BLB = BAD. A true tale from my last company.
After 3 months of banging their heads, the idiots at a 
remote site got BLB  restores to work in test. So they ran 
it on the production box. I was adamant that the Exchange 
online backup be run first. That took about 2-3 hours. The 
BLB took over 12 hours.

So, the VP needed a message restored from the previous day 
that was shift-deleted. Can't do it yet. BLB was still in 
progress. He has to wait. The next day, they restore his 
mailbox. And the message was not there! VP is unhappy. So 
they go to the next day's tape (a day later). Still no 
message. Seems like it came and went between BLB's. VP is 
now beyond irate. Calls the CIO. Who calls me. I have 
DumpsterAlwaysOn. Go into VP's mailbox and give him his 
message in 2 minutes.

Oh yes, most of their problems were permissions/UghServe 
related. So the full restore did not work. While they had 
practiced restores, they never opened a mailbox. Just 
accepted the logging information that the restore was complete.

Do not waste your time on BLB. Deleted Items Retention, 
DumpsterAlwaysOn on an admin workstation, Circular logging 
OFF. Practice restores. Read the FAQ. Sleep easy. And keep 
the untrained away from the server.

Michael Herrick
Groton CIT Messaging Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


Possible corruption of the store.

Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter 
lifespan for your tape drive.

The wrath of the list.  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we 
belong to each other. (Mother Theresa)

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


 -Original Message-
 From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange 
admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
Behalf Of David 
  N. Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be 
true in 2k 
  ?
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
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  Connect Credit Union
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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread missy koslosky

There's no point to it either.

- Original Message -
From: Amir El Aziq [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Restore


Thats not what I asked.  As an enterprise level architect I appreciate the
drawbacks of BLB in that situation.  My point is that BLB is not bad for
_everyone_.

There is no drawback in doing BLB to the situation I described below.  Or am
I wrong?

 -Original Message-
 From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 13:30
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an
 Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far more
 time and tons more tape than necessary.

 You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one would
 almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with so few
 users.

 Nate Couch
 EDS Messaging

  --
  From: Amir El Aziq
  Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Restore
 
  Scenario:
  5 users in the organisation.
  1 server for file/print/email
  Full Online Exchange backup every night.
  Exchange BLB every night also.
  Data backup every night.
  All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
 
  Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Restore
  
  
   Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin
   needs
  BLB's
   then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: Re: Restore
   
   
   How can you know it will always a bad thing?
   
   - Original Message -
   From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
   Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David
N. Precht
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in
2k ?
   
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Adriaan
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Subject: Restore
   
   
Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
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Thanks
   
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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread missy koslosky

Heck, a buncha us from the list were together last night.  And the night
before, etc.

I love MEC.

Missy
- Original Message -
From: Amir El Aziq [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Restore


 Possible corruption of the store.

Hmmm...

 Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for
your
 tape drive.

Uh huh..

 The wrath of the list.  :P

List wrath  I've got a theory that it's a similar concept to Road Rage.
Because listers don't have to meet each other (much), its easier to sling
mud and make dodgy vernacular gestures without ever considering the
consequences.  I reckon half the people on this list would actually get on
pretty well with the ones they slagg off, if they ever met them. [1]

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[2] I hate you all [3]
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RE: Restore

2001-10-04 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville

Dude, buy a book or a bookstore...you asked more questions today, then most
people ask in a year..Maybe we can get your payroll department to send
your check to this lists elders

Matthew
Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, Get yours today!
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp

Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember the P stands for
Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail admin)... Jim Schwartz
8-16-01


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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore


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Thanks

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RE: Restore

2001-10-04 Thread Chris Scharff

Sure. You can in Exchange 5.5 as well.

Chris
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RE: Restore

2001-10-04 Thread David N. Precht

Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?

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RE: Restore

2001-10-03 Thread Byron Kennedy

how do you like your tea?

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RE: Restore of directory.

2001-08-29 Thread Ed Crowley

Moving the directory around would not fix the -1018 error because moving
the database to a different drive will not fix corruption.  The -1018 errors
are usually caused by faulty hardware, but poor administrative practices can
help these occur, for instance, not properly shutting down servers before
turning off the power.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer Corporation
All your base are belong to us.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Semiglia,
Michael
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore of directory.


Hi all,

Exchange 5.5 on NT 4. Veritas Backup Exec and TSM/ADSM backup solution.

We had some issues recently where we had a corrupted directory on a server
and I had a brain cramp in implementing the restore. Looking back, it was
definitely an oversight on my part, however even after the 20/20 hindsight,
I see no easy way around the problem.

We were doing service pack updates on all of our servers from NT SP4 to NT
SP6a and then from Exchange SP2 to SP4. Prior to packing the servers I had
an online and offline back available. This was server number 18 out of 19.
Work had been commencing over a 3 month period and all our servers are on
Compaq proliants with the same h/w and s/w configuration. Installed both NT
SP6a and Exchange SP4 on this particular server with no unusual entries in
the event logs. However on the next backup of the directory using backup
exec, started getting the following -1018 errors:

Event Type: Error
Event Source:   ESE97
Event Category: Database Page Cache
Event ID:   118
Date:   8/12/2001
Time:   11:50:27 AM
User:   N/A
Computer:   CAEEXP01
Description:
MSExchangeDS (471) Direct read found corrupted page (25075) with error
-1018. Please restore the databases from a previous backup.

The indication in technet was that there is a hardware issue. At that point,
using perfopt, moved the directory around to different physical/logical hard
drives. Also ran the eseutil with the verify switch. Moving the directory
around still caused the above error and the eseutil program returned no
errors.

At this point I tried using the TSM/ADSM backup solution that we were
rolling out and this caused the same -1018 error. This pretty much told me
that there was no issue with the backup solution and sort of exonerated the
h/w.

At this point I decided to do a restore of the directory from the last good
backup I had, which was the night prior to the service pack work. I placed
the tape in and kicked of the restore. Now for all of you reading along,
this is where you go You can't do that. The braincramp is that the server
is at NT SP6a and Exchange SP4 now and the backup set is at NT SP4 and
Exchange SP2. The disaster recovery whitepaper specifically states that the
service pack levels need to be the same as the backed up copy.  I also
realized that after I kicked of the restore. The restore finished
successfully and all I need to do was start the directory. At this point, I
said just let me see what happens. I had an online and offline backup of the
corrupted directory and could return to the point I was prior to doing the
restore. After starting the directory it started replaying log files and the
came up with the following error:

Event Type: Error
Event Source:   ESE97
Event Category: Logging/Recovery
Event ID:   134
Date:   8/25/2001
Time:   2:22:18 PM
User:   N/A
Computer:   CAEEXP01
Description:
 (501) The database s:\exchsrvr\DSADATA\dir.edb created at 10/22/1997
20:51:54 was not recovered.

After that, I got a bunch of table rebuilds indicating that something was
aware that the restored directory was NT SP4 and the OS was now NT SP6a.
After that everything came up smoothly. No errors anywhere in sight. I then
performed a backup and it worked w/o and errors on both backup exec and the
TSM/ADSM backups.

I really don't understand the above error. Anybody have any insights on that
one?

I guess my question is, is the directory all right or should I run as fast
as I can to the server an turned it off before it poisons my entire
organization.

Thank You!

Michael Semiglia

Exchange E-mail Engineering
*207 575-1094
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RE: Restore of Exchange 5.5 But Not Mail Account Access

2001-08-27 Thread Erik Vesneski

Hi:

I also forgot to notice that when I double clicked on the mailbox resource
and received an error:

The object cannot be found in the directory.  This is because replication
has not completed.
c1010aae

This is a stand alone server for restores only so I am wondering how do I
get around this issue?  I have searched the Swynk archives but I have not
found anything.

Thank you,

Erik L. Vesneski
Internal Network Manager
Epicentric, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Erik Vesneski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 5:11 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore of Exchange 5.5 But Not Mail Account Access


Hi:

I did a restore (redirection) and have the services running.  I have
installed Outlook and have logged in as Admin and whenever I do this I
cannot bring up anyone else's email accounts that require a restore.

What else am I missing?

I did the rehoming of PF's, did the IS/DS consistency adjuster and rean the
isinteg -patch.  Any other ideas?

I did notice under the mailboxes that there are none however under mailbox
resources when you look in the IS Priv area under Exchange Admin there is
mail in the mailbox accounts.

Thank you,

Erik L. Vesneski
Internal Network Manager
Epicentric, Inc.


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RE: Restore of Exchange 5.5 But Not Mail Account Access

2001-08-27 Thread Tom Meunier

Erik,

You didn't resore the directory, did you?  You should restore only the
IS, and the KCC will create the directory for you.

-tom

-Original Message-
From: Erik Vesneski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:11 PM
Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List
Conversation: Restore of Exchange 5.5 But Not Mail Account Access
Subject: Restore of Exchange 5.5 But Not Mail Account Access


Hi:

I did a restore (redirection) and have the services running.  I have
installed Outlook and have logged in as Admin and whenever I do this I
cannot bring up anyone else's email accounts that require a restore.

What else am I missing?

I did the rehoming of PF's, did the IS/DS consistency adjuster and rean
the
isinteg -patch.  Any other ideas?

I did notice under the mailboxes that there are none however under
mailbox
resources when you look in the IS Priv area under Exchange Admin there
is
mail in the mailbox accounts.

Thank you,

Erik L. Vesneski
Internal Network Manager
Epicentric, Inc.


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RE: Restore of Exchange 5.5 But Not Mail Account Access

2001-08-27 Thread Tom Meunier

Is Admin the service account?  I don't see to what extent you did a
restore, or I'm just missing it, but if it is, is this ADMIN the same
GUID as the old one?  Maybe
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q152/8/08.ASP can help,
in case it's confused.  One of those things where I delete Joe CEO's
account, and even if I create another account named JOECEO, it's not the
same GUID and therefore I'm still fired.

If that ain't it, I fold.

-Original Message-
From: Erik Vesneski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:04 PM
Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List
Conversation: Restore of Exchange 5.5 But Not Mail Account Access
Subject: RE: Restore of Exchange 5.5 But Not Mail Account Access


Hi:

Yes, that was all that was restored just the stores.

Thank you,

Erik L. Vesneski
Internal Network Manager
Epicentric, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 6:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore of Exchange 5.5 But Not Mail Account Access


Erik,

You didn't resore the directory, did you?  You should restore only the
IS, and the KCC will create the directory for you.

-tom

-Original Message-
From: Erik Vesneski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:11 PM
Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List
Conversation: Restore of Exchange 5.5 But Not Mail Account Access
Subject: Restore of Exchange 5.5 But Not Mail Account Access


Hi:

I did a restore (redirection) and have the services running.  I have
installed Outlook and have logged in as Admin and whenever I do this I
cannot bring up anyone else's email accounts that require a restore.

What else am I missing?

I did the rehoming of PF's, did the IS/DS consistency adjuster and rean
the
isinteg -patch.  Any other ideas?

I did notice under the mailboxes that there are none however under
mailbox
resources when you look in the IS Priv area under Exchange Admin there
is
mail in the mailbox accounts.

Thank you,

Erik L. Vesneski
Internal Network Manager
Epicentric, Inc.

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