[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature Support? -What travesty is this??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 7, 2005, at 9:52 PM, authfriend wrote: You already know the answer my dear--so why are you asking? Well, Vaj, as I said, I forget. Based on the things you say about TM, it appears you never have. Is that correct? You already know the answer--stop the game playing Judy. Let it go, Vaj. World troubles bring out the stalker in some people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature support . (Was: Bomb blasts rock...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/7/05 9:44:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which is really too bad, because whatever *else* he is and has done, Blair's the point man at this summit for global warming and aid for Africa. Well, maybe Bush planned the bombings to change the subject of the meetings. This has already been proposed by some conspiracy theorists on the Web. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature support . (Was: Bomb blasts rock London, UK!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://mum.edu/goodnews/images/hagelin+dodril.jpg Man, they sure do look funny! Which is the point,IMHO. Imagine if Deepak Chopra had been asked to dress in such a costume... Yeah. I guess many rabid anti-TMers wish they'd look for intance like this: http://tinyurl.com/8lv6a To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature support . (Was: Bomb blasts rock London, UK!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://mum.edu/goodnews/images/hagelin+dodril.jpg Man, they sure do look funny! Which is the point,IMHO. Imagine if Deepak Chopra had been asked to dress in such a costume... Yeah. I guess many rabid anti-TMers wish they'd look for intance like this: http://tinyurl.com/8lv6a Too butch. Maharishi's always been more into effeminite Indo-British Raj-era fashion. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature Support? -What travesty is this??
person again and again one begins to wonder why one answered in the first place. Yes I was initiated into TM© Judy way back in 1974...I was 15 at the time...TTC not until the early 80's...I'm sorry to hear that. If you did in fact everlearn and practice TM, you're the poster boy forthe need for checking, because you've forgottenjust about everything in the oral driver's manualyou spoke of. --Actually, until you have taken Dzogchen teachings you really can't speak on effortlessness, surrender, or simplicity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature Support? -What travesty is this??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Actually, until you have taken Dzogchen teachings you really can't speak on effortlessness, surrender, or simplicity. Actually, as should be obvious, one *can* speak about such things, and even sound somewhat authoritative while doing so, but it's only because they're repeating the words of someone whom they consider an authority. And in this case (TM's effortlessness as unique), an authority who is as ignorant of other teachings and other techniques of meditation as they are. Jumping out of the TM context and into a more general perception of the spiritual smorgasbord as a whole, a trend you can pretty much count on is that the people who diss other traditions' teachings and techniques the loudest have 1) never had any experience with the things they're dissing, and 2) haven't even *read* much about them. In 99 cases out of 100, they are repeating dogma that has been taught to them. And in many long-lived traditions, this dogma was taught to them by guys who *themselves* were simply repeating what had been taught to them, and had an equal lack of experience with the things they're dissing. One of the things I like about this forum is that it's attracted a lot of people who are not content to believe what has been told to them by authorities. They like to find things out for themselves. As the home page states, What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite. Unc I do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the men of old; I seek the things they sought. - Basho To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/7/05 9:44:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which is really too bad, because whatever *else* he is and has done, Blair's the point man at this summit for global warming and aid for Africa. Well, maybe Bush planned the bombings to change the subject of the meetings. This has already been proposed by some conspiracy theorists on the Web. Just to riff on this idea further, I don't personally believe that these bombings were perpetrated by Bush Co. But they might as well have been. Assuming for the moment that the bombings were carried out by Al-Quaida fanatics, what is their motive? It's to scream, loudly, at the start of the G8 conference, Don't talk about global warming and world poverty and how to solve those problems...talk about US. WE, and our cause, are what's important here!!! IMO, the real tragedy of this tragedy is that whoever did it *could* effectively have been working for Bush Co. They've managed (so far) to derail a series of talks that were supposed to be about the *real* pres- sing problems of our time (energy, global warming, and world poverty) and turn them into a forum for glib one- liners about terrorism, the boogie man of our times. What could have been a grand leap forward, especially with the pressure placed upon the G8 by the Live 8 phenomenon, looks now as if it's going to be a grand leap backwards into rhetoric about fear and revenge and fighting terrorism. Terrorism is a distraction, folks. It's the misdir- ection of a stage magician who wants you to focus on it instead of what's really happening, and on what he has up his sleeve. The London terrorists and the old rich men who make up Bush Co. are NOT enemies. They are PARTNERS. They NEED each other, and work together to keep people focused on fighting terrorism instead of focusing on having a viable environment to leave to our children, or on those children having something to eat. Did the London terrorists report directly to George W. Bush? Probably not. But they're certainly on the same side as he is. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature support . (Was: Bomb blasts rock London, UK!!!!!
--- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://mum.edu/goodnews/images/hagelin+dodril.jpg Man, they sure do look funny! Which is the point,IMHO. Imagine if Deepak Chopra had been asked to dress in such a costume... * Raja Dodrill's get-up is a TMO creation, although it is certainly close to the royal get-ups of many traditions. Hagelin's outfit at MUM graduation rites, ridiculous as it may seem, is similar to what Oxford dudes were wearing at such ceremonies hundreds of years ago and even today at schools around the West. If Chopra attended his school's graduation ceremonies, he probably also wore a funny hat and gown: http://www.burgon.org.uk/society/wardrobe/univ/wpg13oxonMA.html At least John is passable in his almost traditional get-up. But poor Raja Dean looks like a leader of a ufo cult. Beam me up Scotty! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature support . (Was: Bomb blasts rock London, UK!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://mum.edu/goodnews/images/hagelin+dodril.jpg At least John is passable in his almost traditional get-up. But poor Raja Dean looks like a leader of a ufo cult. Beam me up Scotty! A kinky UFO cult. I showed the photo to someone here who, unprompted by me as to where the photo came from or what group it represented, said, Wow...I've always wondered what the aliens who mutilate cattle and cut their assholes out look like...now I know. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Sutphen wrote: There is so much contradictory evidence that refutes this magic 1%, square root, Maharishi effect. I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't recall any discussions that presented refuting evidence. I know plenty of posters have taken issue with the rigor of the research. But actually proving it wrong? Actually, research works the other way, the null hypothesis must be rejected to prove the research correct. In the Maharishi Effect (ME) research the null hypothesis is that any reduction of negative trends is by chance. Most of the ME research has methodological problems that does not rule out the null hypothesis. Therefore a more prosaic explanation-chance-is in order. In terms of evidence one only has to look at the crime rate in Fairfield and then look at the number of meditators in the community to reject the ME as it is currently understood. Post hoc explanations of a washing machine effect indicate either the immaturity of the ME theory or the ridiculousness of it. Social field-effect theories are fun to ponder, but there is almost no research to support them. The use of the ME research by the TMO is just cult politics. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature Support? -What travesty is this??
On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:51 AM, Jeff Fischer wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Scientologists take note An equal opportunity insult... Yeah, I feel honored to be included in Vaj's 1.1 comment. Just an observation really--some groups foster reliance on the organization rather than independence and personal autonomy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The real tragedy of the London tragedy
Did the London terrorists report directly to GeorgeW. Bush? Probably not. But they're certainly onthe same "side" as he is.Unc--At any rate, they are both gross materialists. Bush and Co. because they support the largest and crudest materialitic means and measures, and the terrorists because well, for the same reasons. At any rate, if Bush and Co are an itch in the eye then terrorism is scratching it with a dirty garden spade. At the end of the day surgery will be needed. Like how when the gall bladder starts overproducing then stones are what develop and they don't just piss away naturally. Since the surgeon works for the gall bladder the eye will never see again. The dirty garden spade will win and forevermore people will trip over it. The path of material means and measure will be hedged with gall stones. President Gall Bladder will continue to sound off in the garbled manner of the Order of Xanax, Preaching the merits of World Paxil Americana, while his speech writers all wax Prozac Hail Haliburton. Hail Caligula. Global warming. Hail storms in Florida. I am writing nonsense because if life made sense damselflies would not have two huge eyes on the top of their heads with a combined total of 60,000 seeing cells which can at any moment see 360 degrees around them. UXA - the United Experiments of America said it best - "Paranoia is Freedom." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature Support? -What travesty is this??
On Jul 8, 2005, at 2:10 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Let it go, Vaj. World troubles bring out the stalker in some people. Yeah, you're right... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the London terrorists report directly to George W. Bush? Probably not. But they're certainly on the same side as he is. Unc --At any rate, they are both gross materialists. Bush and Co. because they support the largest and crudest materialitic means and measures, and the terrorists because well, for the same reasons. At any rate, if Bush and Co are an itch in the eye then terrorism is scratching it with a dirty garden spade. At the end of the day surgery will be needed. The best commentary I've read on this incident so far was expressed in the fewest words, and also managed to make the link between the terrorists and the people who fight them. It's by Christopher Moore, author of Lamb and Fluke and other wonderful books: London and The Duh Factor... Blowing up innocent people is wrong. No exceptions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature support . (Was: Bomb blasts rock London, UK!!!!!
I think most of you guys would do well to get over your incredulity and imagine how Christians have acted ever since Jesus split. They set up their own government and nation state which is untouchable. - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:53 AM http://www.burgon.org.uk/society/wardrobe/univ/wpg13oxonMA.htmlAt least John is passable in his almost traditionalget-up. But poor Raja Dean looks like a leader of aufo cult. Beam me up Scotty! I am always sort of blown away by the lack of imagination of most Post-Movementists. On the one hand those who take this shit for real and wear the get up, and on the other those who mock it. I have to quote Pres. Bush on this. "Take the two hands. On the one hand is a hand, and on the other hand is the other hand. It's obvious. If the two hands came together then well I would hand it to you. There's a job for America. Bringing two hands together. How can you have hands on the one hand or the other when they are brought together. It's obvious. Two hands are better than one. Better than on the one hand or the other. And that's what you get if you don't stand with us. One hand or the other. Not two hands. So let's hear it. Put your hands together. For Iraq. They're better off now that their hands are together. Before. Saddam. One hand. Freeing the country of Saddam. One hand. Bad guys in prison. Two hands together. Handcuffs. No more one hand or the other. So put your hands together. It's obvious. You're either putting your hands together for America, or your putting them together against America. There's no more on the one hand or the other. It's as clear as night. It's obvious." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature support . (Was: Bomb blasts rock London, UK!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think most of you guys would do well to get over your incredulity and imagine how Christians have acted ever since Jesus split. They set up their own government and nation state which is untouchable. And their guys wear dresses, too. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
London and The Duh Factor... Blowing up innocent people is wrong. No exceptions.--I agree. But that said, if there were both karma and innocence then how would people get blown up? I actually do have an answer to this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: London and The Duh Factor... Blowing up innocent people is wrong. No exceptions. --I agree. But that said, if there were both karma and innocence then how would people get blown up? I actually do have an answer to this. Interdependent origination? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
- Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: London and The Duh Factor... Blowing up innocent people is wrong. No exceptions.--I agree. But that said, if there were both karma and innocence then how would people get blown up? I actually do have an answer to this.Interdependent origination?Actually more like simultaneous six realms in each aggregated human. There is no such thing as innocence since we all have the demonic to angelic simultaneously in our basic makeup. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
Thanks, Peter. My questions about the Maharishi effect tie to a larger issue we kick around a lot in this forum, namely, what's the connection between growth of consciousness and relative life? Most of us are keen on growth of consciousness -- we aspire to awakening and believe it's not a delusion but a genuine human experience -- but we can't seem to agree on what the ramifications of enlightenment are in daily life. Does awakening elicit ethical behavior? Not necessarily. Does higher collective consciousness reduce crime and suffering? See the refutations below. Will my desires be fulfilled when I'm enlightened? Two answers: you already are enlightened, and you as an individual entity, with an individual's desires, don't exist. You are a fiction of your own mind. It surprises me that any of us would give a damn about enlightenment. Back to Maharishi and his effects: I'm not ready to write off all that he taught and predicted. My beef with him has more to do with his administration than his knowledge. He cultivated a True Believer culture which makes all pronouncements suspect. But being suspect doesn't make them wrong. It merely means they require further examination. - Patrick Gillam Peter Sutphen wrote: the null hypothesis must be rejected to prove the research correct. In the Maharishi Effect (ME) research the null hypothesis is that any reduction of negative trends is by chance. Most of the ME research has methodological problems that does not rule out the null hypothesis. Therefore a more prosaic explanation-chance-is in order. In terms of evidence one only has to look at the crime rate in Fairfield and then look at the number of meditators in the community to reject the ME as it is currently understood. Post hoc explanations of a washing machine effect indicate either the immaturity of the ME theory or the ridiculousness of it. Social field-effect theories are fun to ponder, but there is almost no research to support them. The use of the ME research by the TMO is just cult politics. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Brits had advance warning of attacks
British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said. Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had planned to attend an economic conference in a hotel over the subway stop where one of the blasts occurred, and the warning prompted him to stay in his hotel room instead, government officials said. Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said he wasn't aware of any Israeli casualties. Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said. He did not say whether British police made any link to the economic conference. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of his position. Full story at: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ israel_britain_explosions_1 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to Maharishi and his effects: I'm not ready to write off all that he taught and predicted. My beef with him has more to do with his administration than his knowledge. He cultivated a True Believer culture which makes all pronouncements suspect. But being suspect doesn't make them wrong. It merely means they require further examination. I have not written off all he taught, but I have written off almost all he's predicted. As a seer, he's got the psychic powers of the Wizard of Oz. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brits had advance warning of attacks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said. Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had planned to attend an economic conference in a hotel over the subway stop where one of the blasts occurred, and the warning prompted him to stay in his hotel room instead, government officials said. Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said he wasn't aware of any Israeli casualties. Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said. He did not say whether British police made any link to the economic conference. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of his position. Full story at: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ israel_britain_explosions_1 This story showed up on, of all places, Fox News within an hour of the actual incident. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature support . (Was: Bomb blasts rock London, UK!!!!!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: The London terrorists and the old rich men who make up Bush Co. are NOT enemies. They are PARTNERS. They NEED each other I'd like to tie this thought to something you said a few days ago, Unc, about how debaters in spiritual forums argue not so much to determine truth as to reinforce their egos -- to reinforce their ignorance. I've encountered a school of thought that all opposition derives from the need to reinforce one's place in this relative creation. Good requires evil to exist as good. Otherwise, it's like white paint on a white ground -- there's no contrast to make the white stand out. I can see this, with one additional monkey wrench thrown into the works. It seems to me that there is, in fact, an interdependency between good and evil, but that this interdependency is based more on fundamentalism than any laws of nature. The more a self is fundamentalist -- that is, convinced it knows the truth -- the more it seems to require opposition to that truth, or untruth. Just look at the historical religious and political traditions that have emphasized this eternal struggle between good and evil. The nastiest of them were all completely convinced that they knew the truth. Therefore, they were the good guys in the white hats, and those who didn't know the truth were the bad guys in the black hats. In the most horrible relig- ious wars on this planet, *both* sides felt this way. God is on our side, was said, and believed, by both. The need for contrast, the black background to make the white stand out seems to me to be tied to this paradigm that we already know the 'truth.' Religions and spiritual traditions that don't claim to know the truth -- or that don't feel that there is a fixed truth TO know -- rarely develop a con- frontational, good-vs.-evil, us-vs.-them relation- ship with the world in their conceptual models of the universe. Taoism and Buddhism spring to mind. The universe tends to be perceived and modeled more as an eternal interplay of energies, none of them good or bad, light or dark -- just energies, dancing, eternally. I haven't really thought about this before, but I'd be willing to bet that the more convinced one is that he or she knows the truth, the more you'll find in that person's belief system a need for there to be something opposing that truth. It's almost as if the self that fixates on one POV and tells itself that it's got everything figured out *at the same time* manifests a situation in the world around it whose purpose is to dissolve this truth and reveal it as merely the latest in an infinite number of relative truths, just another thought to be ignored on the way to transcendence. From this perspective, so much of our conflict is just an exercise to give meaning to our lives. Or, in my model above, to give meaning and importance to our selves. I, for one, love having meaning in my life. It was one of the big attractions to being in the TM movement. It comes now from having a family. Imagine how fulfilled the jihadists must feel, having a mission they're willing to die for. There is a certain hopelessness and lack of ability to enjoy life implicit in the fanatical martyr, yup. A while back, L B Shriver posted links to a BBC production that examined the symbiotic relationship between our Western religious fundamentalists and those in the Middle East. Aside from the political insights that series provided, it really illustrated how we create our enemies to give meaning to our goodness. Or just to give *existence* to our supposed goodness. If you had a belief system (such as Tantra) in which nothing was inherently either good or evil, would you need an enemy to reinforce that belief system or lend it credibility? Possibly not. But the minute you have a belief system that positions itself as good or holy, you have a need for there to be something to be bad or unholy to provide contrast to it. Interesting subject. I don't really have a clue here; I'm just rappin', off the top of my head. But it's certainly an interesting subject. As the planet- buster AI bomb in the movie Dark Star said, I must think on this further... :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip IMO, the real tragedy of this tragedy is that whoever did it *could* effectively have been working for Bush Co. They've managed (so far) to derail a series of talks that were supposed to be about the *real* pres- sing problems of our time (energy, global warming, and world poverty) and turn them into a forum for glib one- liners about terrorism, the boogie man of our times. I read an interesting essay yesterday pointing out that remedying global warming and poverty, the original agenda of the G8 summit, are two of the most effective ways we could also remedy terrorism. Measures to address global warming would involve reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, which would in turn reduce our increasingly disastrous involvement in the Middle East; and measures to address poverty would reduce the appeal of terrorism. That isn't the whole story by any means, of course, but it does suggest that what the London bombers have accomplished is to lead the G8 to confront terrorism in a way that will perpetuate and aggravate it rather than take action to remedy the reasons for it. The big mistake, in other words, is to think it's a choice between fighting terrorism, on one hand, and fighting poverty and global warming, on the other. Rather, it's a choice between fighting terrorism effectively and fighting it in a way that will only advance its cause. snip Did the London terrorists report directly to George W. Bush? Probably not. But they're certainly on the same side as he is. Or perhaps more accurately, Bush is on the same side as they are, but he isn't smart enough to realize it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature Support? -What travesty is this??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 7, 2005, at 9:52 PM, authfriend wrote: You already know the answer my dear--so why are you asking? Well, Vaj, as I said, I forget. Based on the things you say about TM, it appears you never have. Is that correct? You already know the answer--stop the game playing Judy. Let it go, Vaj. World troubles bring out the stalker in some people. Or perhaps world troubles bring out paranoia about being stalked. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the London terrorists report directly to George W. Bush? Probably not. But they're certainly on the same side as he is. Unc --At any rate, they are both gross materialists. Merchants of Chaos. Make the environment seem as dangerous as possible so that people willingly give up their rights. Can a police state be far behind? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you had a belief system (such as Tantra) in which nothing was inherently either good or evil, would you need an enemy to reinforce that belief system or lend it credibility? Possibly not. But the minute you have a belief system that positions itself as good or holy, you have a need for there to be something to be bad or unholy to provide contrast to it. Interesting subject. I don't really have a clue here; I'm just rappin', off the top of my head. Unc One could argue from the POV of the *Absolute* that nothing was inherently good or evil. But, the last time I checked, we're currently stuck in the *Relative* and, as we're seeing on a daily basis, there's plenty of evil going on. Something needs to be done about it. Not to bolster some particular religion or *cause* but to save the freakin' planet. And if this planet and its lifeforms turn out to be the galactic equivalent of the Smallpox virus, and the only way to save the trillions of trillions of other sentient beings in the universe is to kill off the infestation before it spreads? Not arguing, just trippin' on infinite regress. The further away you stand from a problem, the obvious the obvious facts about it are, and the less important the whole issue seems in the larger scheme of things. Unc Anyone informed that the universe is expanding and contracting in pulsations of eighty billion years has a right to ask, What's in it for me? - Peter De Vries Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. - J. B. S. Haldane Life is a tragedy when seen in close-up, but a comedy in long-shot. - Charlie Chaplin To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
Something needs to be done about it. Not to bolster some particular religion or *cause* but to save the freakin' planet. ---Actually nothing needs to be done about anything. People merely need to leave thing alone as much as they can. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if this planet and its lifeforms turn out to be the galactic equivalent of the Smallpox virus, and the only way to save the trillions of trillions of other sentient beings in the universe is to kill off the infestation before it spreads? Not arguing, just trippin' on infinite regress. The further away you stand from a problem, the obvious the obvious facts about it are, and the less important the whole issue seems in the larger scheme of things. Unc I don't consider it an argument. I liken it to playing a game. You decide if you want to play and then you play to win. The smallpox virus is playing a game: eat your body up. I don't want it to win. If it does, I get another body and try it again, maybe being a little smarter next time, at least regarding that game. From that perspective, you're right about not taking it all too seriously. Like the gambler who's down to his last buck. Chances are he'll feel real serious about that next bet and bye, bye $. Yet, one can decide to play a game and play it. If we are the virus and someone gets us it'll all be OK. But, I'd still rather be part of the game than a spectator/commentator. Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People merely need to leave thing alone as much as they can. My Momma used to tell me to leave the thing alone a lot when I was 13. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Message from an Ascended Master
I am Babaji, known as the yogi Christ. What does it mean to be ascended? I ask this question to stir a memory deep within you of when you knew your true identity. The Ascended Beings, whose numbers are great, are those beings who have gone before you into the darkness and illusion of separation from their true identity, and emerged with the absolute knowing of their own union with God. This awakening happens in different ways for different cultures, different peoples and different periods in Earths history. You as an individual expression of God, have chosen, through this life time and many others, to allow the memory of your truth to recede, so you could experience life with an ego, free will and free choice. This has certain advantages, especially when taking on a physical body and operating in a vibrationally dense environment such as the earths. Many of you have come to earth this lifetime to complete the cycle of separation, and then help others along their path of awakening. It is a great accomplishment for a soul to make the full cycle of pure union, to separation, and then back to full experience of union with God. To be ascended while remaining in a physical body is ideal for mastering the universal laws that apply to planets such as earth. To truly know with every cell in your body and every part of yourself that you are one being in God, to know that you are one with every other being in Gods creation is to have the unconditional support of Gods grace. To live this knowing gives great power to the individual; it allows the individual to operate at a higher level of functioning in the earth environment. This knowing bestows on the individual the power to manifest goodness and abundance on the material plane, the power to heal oneself and others, the power to live joyfully and create heaven on Earth, without conflict, pain or misery. You, the individual expression of God, then become an emissary and carrier of the immense love that God has for his creation. In this place of awakening you will be asked to serve God and make the ultimate choice between your ego and your truth. When you accept this call to service you will be offered the status of an Ascended One. We, the Ascended Ones, who have gone before you, invite you now to wake up to your truth; the truth that you are an aspect of God incarnate. It has never been so important to let go of the past ways of thinking. God is putting out a clarion call for his children of Earth to return to the center of his heart from whence you were born. Hasten and allow love to reign once again. Thank you, we adore and attend each and every one of you. Helen French Black Ascending Heart Ministry 481 Sugar Creek Rd. Weaverville, NC 28787 828-626-2559 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ascending-with-love.org __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov biography
Itzhak Bentov's daughter, Sharona Muir, has just published a book on the life of her father: The Book of Telling. http://www.thebookoftelling.com/ After her father died, Sharona Muir learned by chance that he had invented Israel's first rocket. Muir's parents divorced when she was very young, but she adored the father she saw on Saturday outings. She knew him as Invention-a-Minute Ben, a freelancer who designed gadgets and created surgical equipment that saved lives. Itzhak Bentov occasionally told stories of his early days in Israel, but it was only after he died that Muir accidentally learned he had been a member of a top-secret group of scientists called Hemmed, which made weapons for Israel's War of Independence. Amazed by this discovery, Muir traveled to Israel to meet her father’s colleagues, a group of idealists -- many of them refugees from Europe -- who had been summoned by David Ben-Gurion to create weapons for a new nation. With the equivalent of $3,000, these young scientists set up shop in a rooftop shed in Tel Aviv, working day and night, falling asleep at their desks while still holding their pencils. Through the memories they share, Muir comes to know the brilliant, impassioned, and creative young Bentov. She weaves her own memories of him into their stories: demonstrating his latest invention for her, taking her canoeing, sharing his wilder thoughts about consciousness and the cosmos. As the truths she seeks emerge, Muir elegantly evokes the hubbub of Jerusalem streets, the uncommon lives of her hosts, and the land and skyscapes of the Negev. The result--a story of invention and self-invention, of Israel's founding generation, and of a deep, abiding love between father and daughter --is an incandescent memoir. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov biography
http://www.bgsu.edu/offices/pr/monitor/muir_book.html Muir book traces hidden past of a father and a country x-tad-smallerIt was a chance encounter with a fellow graduate student at Stanford University that gave Dr. Sharona Muir the first glimpse into her father’s hidden life and psyche./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Muir, creative writing and English, is the daughter of Itzhak Bentov: Slovakian immigrant, narrow escapee of the Holocaust, successful medical inventor, popular New Age author and—she was to discover—the creator of Israel’s first rocket./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller In her memoir, /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerThe Book of Telling: Tracing the Secret of My Father’s Lives/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller, to be published in June by Schocken Books (an imprint of Random House), Muir relates how a remark by a young man she had just met—that their fathers had served together in Israel’s secret Science Corps—led to the excavation of her father’s life before and during Israel’s war of independence. Her investigations also brought to light a chapter in that country’s history that has not been previously explored./x-tad-smaller x-tad-bigger“I chose to call the book a memoir instead of a history because I think of history as the skin: It has to stand up to the harsh winds of fact. But a memoir is like the dermis. It lies underneath the skin, deeper and closer to our memories, our personal life, our emotions and our imagination,” Muir says./x-tad-biggerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller However, for the straight history portion of the story—that of the Science Corps, or Hemmed, and the Israeli war—she was careful to adhere strictly to fact, based on her interviews with her father’s former colleagues and others during a summer in Israel while researching the book, as well as her reading of current histories. /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller The war for independence is the subject of much debate now in Israel, she says, and its history is being revised and re-examined as more information comes out and the context in which the war was fought becomes better understood. “I had to be absolutely accurate about that,” Muir said./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller While the official Hemmed files remain classified, she was able to meet with and even attend a reunion of the group in 1999, to mutual amazement—her existence was as much a surprise to them as theirs was to her. Though the members asked to remain anonymous in her memoir, they shared their memories of the exhilarating but terrifying time when Israel felt it was fighting for its very right to life./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerA past obscured/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Until 1985, six years after her father’s death, Muir knew none of Hemmed’s history. Born in Massachusetts following Bentov’s immigration to the United States, Muir grew up seeing him mostly on Saturday afternoons after her parents divorced. “He would take me to the park or on other outings, and he would talk to me about science,” she said. Never one to discuss mundane matters or make small talk, Bentov seemed driven by a passion for discovery./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Working in his small basement laboratory, he made such inventions as a heart catheter, versions of which are still being used to save lives today, Muir writes. In his heavy Slovakian accent, he would joke, “I’m just a Yankee tinkerer,” while describing to her the advances that were being made with lasers and holograms./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller “He never, ever talked to me about his family,” she said, and, being a sensitive only child, she understood that she should not question him. Then in 1979, when Muir was 22, he died in a plane crash and the door to her father’s past seemed closed. Later, she was to learn that his silence on personal and other matters was very common to those of his generation who had undergone the experiences of the war and the Holocaust./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller “We were a generation that did not talk,” one former Hemmed scientist told her./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller But, as is acted out in the traditional Passover seder meal, Muir says, there is a time when it is important to tell one’s history, and she felt that, for herself and for the world, now is the time to recount the story of that time. “I don’t want to make a glorified history, but I want to convey what it felt like to them then.” And to explain how a generation’s experiences can affect even a father’s relationship with his only child./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Researching the book, meeting her father’s former colleagues and seeing firsthand the places he had lived “helped me understand who he was as a father,” she said. “It opened a lot of
[FairfieldLife] Playing the game (was Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if this planet and its lifeforms turn out to be the galactic equivalent of the Smallpox virus, and the only way to save the trillions of trillions of other sentient beings in the universe is to kill off the infestation before it spreads? Not arguing, just trippin' on infinite regress. The further away you stand from a problem, the obvious the obvious facts about it are, and the less important the whole issue seems in the larger scheme of things. I don't consider it an argument. I liken it to playing a game. You decide if you want to play and then you play to win. Ah. If by it you're referring to life, I liken it more to randori than to playing a game. Randori is what you do when you study Judo, one student squaring off against another in a training session and trying his or her best to throw the other judoka. There's an interesting difference. In randori, one is not necessarily trying to win. You learn as much whether you throw or get thrown, and the whole purpose is to have fun and improve your skills, *not* to win. The smallpox virus is playing a game: eat your body up. I don't want it to win. Who is this I of whom you speak? :-) If it does, I get another body and try it again, maybe being a little smarter next time, at least regarding that game. From that perspective, you're right about not taking it all too seriously. Seriousness is not a virtue. - G.K. Chesterton Like the gambler who's down to his last buck. Chances are he'll feel real serious about that next bet and bye, bye $. In Judo, the key is balance. Seriousness doesn't help, and neither does strength or wanting to win. The person who gets so serious about winning as to lose his or her balance loses, and is thrown by his opponent. But in reality both win, because both have learned something from the experience. Yet, one can decide to play a game and play it. If we are the virus and someone gets us it'll all be OK. On a cosmic level, I suspect that at all times it's like one of those DJ's on the radio announcing, All OK, all the time. :-) But, I'd still rather be part of the game than a spectator/commentator. Agreed. But there's still this mysterious I in the equation, wanting to win. If the universe is God, or whatever you choose to call that concept, whom has I just defeated? This is all just wordplay, verbal randori. I'd much rather be a player in that eternal randori than a spectator as well. Like you say, it's all a game. My only point is that there are many ways to play a game. One can play to win, or one can play to learn and improve one's skills at the game, or one can play to benefit the bettors on the side- lines who have money down on you, or one can just play for the sheer joy of playing. In Hindu cosmology, the answer given to the question Why does the absolute manifest as the relative is usually given in one Sanskrit word: 'lila,' or play. There's no winning or losing involved, only play. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brits had advance warning of attacks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said. He did not say whether British police made any link to the economic conference. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of his position. Full story at: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ israel_britain_explosions_1 This story showed up on, of all places, Fox News within an hour of the actual incident. A.P. may have gotten this wrong yesterday. From the Israeli newspaper Haaretz this morning: PM calls Netanyahu after explosion under his London hotel By Moti Bassok Shortly after the first explosion in London yesterday morning, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon called Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was scheduled to give a speech in the British capital, to inquire about his well-being and that of his entourage. Netanyahu arrived in London on Wednesday night and was due to give a lecture yesterday morning to hundreds of businessmen about investments in Israel. Shortly before he was supposed to leave for the lecture, Netanyahu was informed by British security officials that a blast had occurred at Liverpool Street tube station, just under the hotel at which he is staying. The lecture was canceled and Netanyahu was asked to remain in his hotel. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/597650.html Could be a cover story, of course, but it seems plausible that in the initial confusion, the timeline inadvertently got shifted to say the warning was delivered just prior to the attacks, rather than immediately after the first attack, which was at Liverpool Station under Netanyahu's hotel. (The London tubes are *deep* underground; it's conceivable that the Liverpool bombing wasn't even noticeable in the hotel itself.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
Patrick, I think we're all fairly complex individuals and oversimplifications of cause/effect just don't work. Generalisations about behaviour arising out of having sat and meditated just ignore the complexity of the individual. Transcending the everyday thought patterns and having a touchdown in bliss will not yield behaviour that can be grouped and classified. That anyone has suggested that it might has created this expectation that it will. No such evidence has emerged. Simply speaking, the concept of meditation is that the individual loses the sense of individuality and merges with the whole. When the individual re-emerges who knows what he/she will do? It is much safer to make predictions by use of other factors. We have to be bold enough to reject nonsense non-science wherever we find it without regard to who implanted the notion. That becomes difficult if one holds the conduit in high regard but we cannot tie ourselves slavishly to what Simon Says... So the assumption that by transcending one becomes incapable of error of judgement is non-science and we ought to rely on better methods to determine whether we are right or not. Else we become fundamentalists who can do and say nothing that is out of key. So what are the true Maharishi effects? Increased global awareness on Indian Culture (including increased interest in vegetarianism). More awareness about possibility of finding increased happiness through yoga/meditation. Jay Gurudev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Peter. My questions about the Maharishi effect tie to a larger issue we kick around a lot in this forum, namely, what's the connection between growth of consciousness and relative life? Most of us are keen on growth of consciousness -- we aspire to awakening and believe it's not a delusion but a genuine human experience -- but we can't seem to agree on what the ramifications of enlightenment are in daily life. Does awakening elicit ethical behavior? Not necessarily. Does higher collective consciousness reduce crime and suffering? See the refutations below. Will my desires be fulfilled when I'm enlightened? Two answers: you already are enlightened, and you as an individual entity, with an individual's desires, don't exist. You are a fiction of your own mind. It surprises me that any of us would give a damn about enlightenment. Back to Maharishi and his effects: I'm not ready to write off all that he taught and predicted. My beef with him has more to do with his administration than his knowledge. He cultivated a True Believer culture which makes all pronouncements suspect. But being suspect doesn't make them wrong. It merely means they require further examination. - Patrick Gillam Peter Sutphen wrote: the null hypothesis must be rejected to prove the research correct. In the Maharishi Effect (ME) research the null hypothesis is that any reduction of negative trends is by chance. Most of the ME research has methodological problems that does not rule out the null hypothesis. Therefore a more prosaic explanation-chance-is in order. In terms of evidence one only has to look at the crime rate in Fairfield and then look at the number of meditators in the community to reject the ME as it is currently understood. Post hoc explanations of a washing machine effect indicate either the immaturity of the ME theory or the ridiculousness of it. Social field-effect theories are fun to ponder, but there is almost no research to support them. The use of the ME research by the TMO is just cult politics. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) Measures to address global warming would involve reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, which would in turn reduce our increasingly disastrous involvement in the Middle East; and measures to address poverty would reduce the appeal of terrorism. That isn't the whole story by any means, of course, but it does suggest that what the London bombers have accomplished is to lead the G8 to confront terrorism in a way that will perpetuate and aggravate it rather than take action to remedy the reasons for it. The big mistake, in other words, is to think it's a choice between fighting terrorism, on one hand, and fighting poverty and global warming, on the other. Rather, it's a choice between fighting terrorism effectively and fighting it in a way that will only advance its cause. This is a safe and sane view. Humanity seems to be ever stuck in a war for peace. As soon as this or that enemy is vanquished, well, then we can settle down and live the peaceful life that we aspire to. What do the rishi's say?, you do not remove the darkness but bring in the light. Fighting poverty and global warming definitely seems like a more light oriented direction. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Message from an Ascended Master
If I could strangle myself with my own hands it would be preferable to reading any more of this. - Original Message - From: ascended masters To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Message from an Ascended Master I am Babaji, known as the yogi Christ. What does it mean to be ascended? I ask this questionto To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People merely need to leave thing alone as much as they can. My Momma used to tell me to leave the thing alone a lot when I was 13. And you minded her, right? Yeah, me too. :-) The way I figure it is that if the Absolute can manifest itself as the relative for no better reason than a desire to play with itself, who am I to do less? Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Playing the game (was Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is this I of whom you speak? :-) Have to ask Dr. Pete. me thinks he'll say *I*m delusional. From that perspective, you're right about not taking it all too seriously. Seriousness is not a virtue. - G.K. Chesterton Reminds me of the scene in The Man Who Would be King: O'Toole and Connery are in the snow covered mountains, trapped because they can't go back but also can't go forward as there is an impassable gorge. They begin to reminisce about their lifetime of adventures. They recount and both start to belly laugh uncontrolably and voila, avalanche occurs filling the gorge so they can pass. In Judo, the key is balance. Seriousness doesn't help, and neither does strength or wanting to win. The person who gets so serious about winning as to lose his or her balance loses, and is thrown by his opponent. But in reality both win, because both have learned something from the experience. For me, it's playing to win without being attached. By playing to win one does his best and becomes a more worthy opponent. I want to play a better game: peace and harmony - which I (there's that word again) feel is being impeded by those who are playing a very different game. If their game is merely ignored, we may all find ourselves playing a game we may not enjoy as much. Whatever happens all, hopefully, will learn from the experience. In Hindu cosmology, the answer given to the question Why does the absolute manifest as the relative is usually given in one Sanskrit word: 'lila,' or play. There's no winning or losing involved, only play. That's ultimately where it's at. Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So the assumption that by transcending one becomes incapable of error of judgement is non-science and we ought to rely on better methods to determine whether we are right or not. Else we become fundamentalists who can do and say nothing that is out of key. I think what Patrick highlighted is that MMY plays both ends against the middle. He predicts as a result of meditation good behavior and the inability to commit error *by human standards*, whereas his actual metaphysical teaching is that one becomes incapable of error *by Nature's standards*, which not only could be quite different, but which are inscrutahle (Unfathomable is the course of action). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what are the true Maharishi effects? Increased global awareness on Indian Culture (including increased interest in vegetarianism). More awareness about possibility of finding increased happiness through yoga/meditation. Jay Gurudev That's very nicely said, Paul. Increasing the global awareness of the possibility of increased happiness is a lot. For me, if this were to end up being the total extent of Maharishi's legacy to the planet, and the Maharishi Effect never achieves anything more, it's enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message from an Ascended Master
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I could strangle myself with my own hands it would be preferable to reading any more of this. - Original Message - From: ascended masters To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Message from an Ascended Master I am Babaji, known as the yogi Christ. What does it mean to be ascended? I ask this question to... ...or you could ring her up (toll free) and remind her that she is a crock of sh*t* : 1-877-238-1942. There is plenty more purple prose on her web site. She communes with the Divine, apparently and releases lower vibrationary forces (probably to piss us off on this BB) Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
Premanand Paul Mason wrote: So the assumption that by transcending one becomes incapable of error of judgement is non-science Right. Assumption *is* non-science. But there's plenty of science available on which to base understandings. I'm thinking of the five or six studies the Nidiches published in peer-reviewed journals (I believe they were) demonstrating that TMers score higher on tests of moral development than did people who studied for the tests. and we ought to rely on better methods to determine whether we are right or not. Better methods such as the studies cited above? Else we become fundamentalists who can do and say nothing that is out of key. Fairifield Life has done a pretty thorough job of investigating TMers' True Beliefs and exploding the fundamentalism in them. That's one reason I'm here. But we've yet to really lift a finger when it comes to examing the scientific studies. Every now and then someone ways that sample size was too small or I know a researcher who fudged the statistics on that study, but in my time here we haven't posted a study or a link to a study and deconstructed it the way we do each other's opinions. There are rationale reasons to tie improved social behavior to growth of consciousness, and there is a fair body of research on TM and social behavior. I'm not willing to toss it all out because True Believers participated in the research. But neither am I in a position to review and evaluate the research. So I ask these questions to see what others have to say. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) Measures to address global warming would involve reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, which would in turn reduce our increasingly disastrous involvement in the Middle East; and measures to address poverty would reduce the appeal of terrorism. That isn't the whole story by any means, of course, but it does suggest that what the London bombers have accomplished is to lead the G8 to confront terrorism in a way that will perpetuate and aggravate it rather than take action to remedy the reasons for it. The big mistake, in other words, is to think it's a choice between fighting terrorism, on one hand, and fighting poverty and global warming, on the other. Rather, it's a choice between fighting terrorism effectively and fighting it in a way that will only advance its cause. This is a safe and sane view. Humanity seems to be ever stuck in a war for peace. As soon as this or that enemy is vanquished, well, then we can settle down and live the peaceful life that we aspire to. What do the rishi's say?, you do not remove the darkness but bring in the light. Fighting poverty and global warming definitely seems like a more light oriented direction. Indeed it does. Thanks for introducing a very interesting perspective on things, Judy. I posted some statistics the other day, and one of them drew a fascinating comment. The stat was that the war in Iraq has cost the United States $180,772,216,646. For that amount of money, the US could have fully funded global anti-hunger efforts for 7 years. The comment was something along the lines of, Imagine the good will that would have resulted from doing this. Imagine. If the US had reacted to 9/11 by rethink- ing its position among nations on this planet, and had spent $180,772,216,646 fighting poverty and global warming instead of invading Iraq, would there be the level of global terrorism that there is today? I don't think so. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message from an Ascended Master
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I could strangle myself with my own hands it would be preferable to reading any more of this. I actually just skimmed it and pressed Next, but given this comment, had to go back and read the whole thing, just to savor the full impact of Llun's review. LOL. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Playing the game (was Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriousness is not a virtue. - G.K. Chesterton Reminds me of the scene in The Man Who Would be King: O'Toole and Connery are in the snow covered mountains, trapped because they can't go back but also can't go forward as there is an impassable gorge. They begin to reminisce about their lifetime of adventures. They recount and both start to belly laugh uncontrolably and voila, avalanche occurs filling the gorge so they can pass. I'd forgotten that scene. Thanks for reminding me of it. Great moment. Have you ever seen a small cult film called Powwow Highway? Some equally delightful follow your folly moments in that movie as well. (Plus it is a Road Trip movie...what is not for an Uncle Tantra to like? :-) Philbert Bono in that movie is one of my all-time favorite characters in film. He is the absolute anti-don Juan, the Native American shaman personification of uncontrolled folly, as opposed to Castaneda's controlled folly. Or Risky Business. Sometimes you just gotta say What the fuck. And laugh. And when you laugh, magic happens. In Judo, the key is balance. Seriousness doesn't help, and neither does strength or wanting to win. The person who gets so serious about winning as to lose his or her balance loses, and is thrown by his opponent. But in reality both win, because both have learned something from the experience. For me, it's playing to win without being attached. Another way of saying it, yep. By playing to win one does his best and becomes a more worthy opponent. I want to play a better game: peace and harmony - which I (there's that word again) feel is being impeded by those who are playing a very different game. If their game is merely ignored, we may all find ourselves playing a game we may not enjoy as much. Whatever happens all, hopefully, will learn from the experience. In Hindu cosmology, the answer given to the question Why does the absolute manifest as the relative is usually given in one Sanskrit word: 'lila,' or play. There's no winning or losing involved, only play. That's ultimately where it's at. Yep, as far as I can tell... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Premanand Paul Mason wrote: So the assumption that by transcending one becomes incapable of error of judgement is non-science Right. Assumption *is* non-science. But there's plenty of science available on which to base understandings. I'm thinking of the five or six studies the Nidiches published in peer-reviewed journals (I believe they were) demonstrating that TMers score higher on tests of moral development than did people who studied for the tests. and we ought to rely on better methods to determine whether we are right or not. Better methods such as the studies cited above? Well, it seems to me that all that the study as you described it would indicate is that TMers do well at complying with societal standards for morality. That is what any test of moral development would have to be based upon, right? Societal standards for morality might not neces- sarily have anything to do with genuine ethics. Remember the things that were considered not only moral but praiseworthy in the time of the Inqui- sition? Torturing people to death to save their souls was *completely* moral in that period. Was it ethical? Else we become fundamentalists who can do and say nothing that is out of key. Fairifield Life has done a pretty thorough job of investigating TMers' True Beliefs and exploding the fundamentalism in them. That's one reason I'm here. But we've yet to really lift a finger when it comes to examing the scientific studies. See above, if anyone feels capable of commenting on the research mentioned. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm thinking of the five or six studies the Nidiches published in peer-reviewed journals (I believe they were) demonstrating that TMers score higher on tests of moral development than did people who studied for the tests. and we ought to rely on better methods to determine whether we are right or not. Better methods such as the studies cited above? Well, it seems to me that all that the study as you described it would indicate is that TMers do well at complying with societal standards for morality. That is what any test of moral development would have to be based upon, right? Nope. See below. Societal standards for morality might not neces- sarily have anything to do with genuine ethics. Remember the things that were considered not only moral but praiseworthy in the time of the Inqui- sition? Torturing people to death to save their souls was *completely* moral in that period. Was it ethical? At least one of Sandy Nidich's studies was on the relationship between TM and Kohlberg's stages of moral reasoning, in which conforming to societal standards of morality is one of the conventional or lower stages. I can't find an abstract of that study (actually it was a dissertation, I believe, not published except in Dissertation Abstracts International), but I'd guess his findings were that TMers tended to score high in the post-conventional stages. (Nidich is a gung-ho TMer.) A brief description of Kohlberg's post-conventional stages: Postconventional level (This may develop in late adolescence, more likely in our mid 20s and beyond. It may never develop for most of us.) Persons in the final stages of the postconventional level, Stages 5 and 6, reason from a prior-to-society perspective in which abstract ideals take precedence over particular societal laws. Stage 5 - Social Contract/Legalistic Orientation - This stage involves a recognition of the relative nature of personal values, and the importance of having procedures for reaching a consensus and changing unfair rules. The individual at this stage can separate the legal world from individual differences of opinion. Stage 6 - Universal Ethical Principle Orientation - This stage involves defining what is right in one's own conscience in a way that is consistent with one's own abstract ethical principles that are based on inclusiveness and responsibility to others; there is a clear emphasis on universality, consistency, logic and rationality. The highest stage of moral development in Kohlberg's original theory. http://www.objectivethought.com/articles/kohlberg.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
authfriend wrote: MMY ... predicts as a result of meditation good behavior and the inability to commit error *by human standards*, whereas his actual metaphysical teaching is that one becomes incapable of error *by Nature's standards*, which not only could be quite different, but which are inscrutahle (Unfathomable is the course of action). This helps. One task may be, then, to figure out a way to correlate human standards to Nature's standards. To what extent can we map one to the other? For example, could we say that what is ethical behavior for most humans -- don't kill people, for instance -- is ethical behavior by Nature's standards 70% of the time? It's a silly mind game, I know. But it clarifies the issue for me a bit. Reminds me of mapping Newtonian physics to quantum mechanics. It can be done, but the back-and-forth gets a little dicey, and not everything maps. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
TurquoiseB wrote: Societal standards for morality might not neces- sarily have anything to do with genuine ethics. So true. But then again, societal standards for morality *may* have something to do with genuine ethics. So let's do two things: study moral behavior among spiritual seekers, and question whether that moral behavior is all it's cracked up to be. - Patrick Gillam An aside: Fundamentalists like to talk about absolute standards for moral behavior. But the relativists among us, pussies that we are, aren't comfortable with such absolutes. So we derive an entire morality based on admitting *we don't really know* what's right! Which to me is a better basis for moral behavior. Like a doctor who is conservative in her treatments because her first goal is to do no harm, I must tread lightly in my judgments because (1) what do I know? and (2) judging is the ego's way of propping itself up, so any judging is inherently problematic. Again, silly mind games. But one of the things I've taken away from discussions in this forum in the past few years is this respect for the limits of my knowledge. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least one of Sandy Nidich's studies was on the relationship between TM and Kohlberg's stages of moral reasoning, in which conforming to societal standards of morality is one of the conventional or lower stages. Sandy Nidich- My favorite MIU prof. Cool guy. A brief description of Kohlberg's post-conventional stages: Stage 6 - Universal Ethical Principle Orientation - This stage involves defining what is right in one's own conscience in a way that is consistent with one's own abstract ethical principles that are based on inclusiveness and responsibility to others; there is a clear emphasis on universality, consistency, logic and rationality. The highest stage of moral development in Kohlberg's original theory. http://www.objectivethought.com/articles/kohlberg.html Sandy's been in to that for a long time (if he's still talking about it). He gave us the test for Kohlberg's deal. I didn't make it to Stage 6 but tried to argue my way to it. Nidich used the definition to prove I wasn't there. Pretty funny. *I* was proven a schmuck and *I* laughed. Thank God there is no *I*. See *I* knew *I* was right. Uh, or something like that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
Statement of group claiming responsibility 'The heroic mujahedeen have carried out a blessed raid in London' - A statement appeared today on the jihadist website Al-Qal'ah (Fortress), purportedly posted by the group claiming responsibility for the bomb attacks in London today. The following is a translated text of the statement: The Secret Organization Group of al-Qaida of Jihad Organization in Europe (Jama'at al-Tanzim al-Sirri, Tanzim Qa'idat al-Jihad fi Urupa) In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and the dauntless fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him. O nation of Islam and nation of Arabism: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge from the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahedeen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern and western quarters. We have repeatedly warned the British government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahedeen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid. We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused. God says: (O ye who believe!) If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'We will use your democracy to destroy your democracy'
[ now I understand why MMY don't like democracy :) ] London a Longtime Haven for Radical Muslim Figures By Patrick Goodenough (CNSNews.com) - Terrorism experts have long warned that Islamists espousing violence enjoy a haven in London, an assertion that has come into sharp focus again with Thursday's bombings in the British capital. For years, Britain tolerated the presence of high-profile and outspoken Islamic clerics whose fiery sermons frequently extolled jihad against the West. Since 9/11, however, anti-terror legislation has been tightened, some groups have been outlawed, terror rings have been broken and some controversial figures have been arrested. One of them, Egyptian-born Abu Hamza al-Masri, went on trial this week at London's Old Bailey courthouse, where he faces more than a dozen charges include inciting terrorism and racial hatred. Al-Masri was formerly the imam at a North London mosque linked to confessed al-Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid, who tried to blow up a U.S.-bound flight from Europe with explosives hidden in his shoe. He also is wanted in the United States and Yemen on terror-related charges. For years before his May 2004 arrest al-Masri used the Finsbury Park mosque as a base to speak for what he insisted were political causes. Despite his radical rhetoric and close links to a group that claimed responsibility for attacks including the Oct. 2000 bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen, it was only in 2003 that the authorities acted against him, stripping him of his British citizenship and barring him from preaching at the mosque. Al-Masri then took to addressing his followers -- mostly young British- and foreign-born Muslims -- on the street outside the building. Britain also detained another London-based extremist cleric, Abu Qatada, whose sermons were found in the 9/11 hijackers' apartment in Germany. But other radical leaders remained free, among them Omar Bakri Mohammed, a Syrian-born cleric who has promoted and praised violence against Israel, America and Britain for years. Yael Shahar of the Israel-based International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism (ICT) said that although London had been a center for Islamic extremism for years, the British security services only started taking the threat seriously after 9/11. Before that, Shahar said, the firebrand clerics who preached jihad and hatred of the West were dismissed as 'armchair warriors' by British intelligence. Even since 9/11, however, critics have questioned Britain's apparent tolerance for highly-controversial Muslim figures. As recently as last year, the government allowed a visit by Yusuf al- Qaradawi, a Egyptian cleric who has publicly voiced support for suicide bombers. London's leftwing Mayor Ken Livingstone, who has called al-Qaradawi a man of peace, welcomed him as an honored guest. (see related story). Exploiting democracy In 2000, Bakri told Cybercast News Service in an interview: We will use your democracy to destroy your democracy. Britain's legal system and its willingness late last century to offer asylum to figures like Bakri, al-Masri and Abu Qatada made it a magnet for exiled radical organizations. In the past decade, the United Kingdom's undisputed political, economic, and cultural center has also become a major world center of political Islam and anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, and anti-American activism, writes Hebrew University of Jerusalem academic Robert S. Wistrich, in online excerpts of an article to be published soon. Through its Arabic-language newspapers, magazines, and publishing houses, not to mention its flourishing network of bookshops, mosques, and community centers, radical Islam has taken full advantage of what British democracy has to offer for its anti- Western goals, reaping the benefits of London's significance as a hub of global finance, electronic media, and mass communications technology. Osama bin Laden himself laid the groundwork for a London-based network, according to terrorism researcher Yossef Bodansky. In his biography on bin Laden, written before 9/11, Bodansky wrote that the al-Qaeda leader based himself in the London suburb of Wembley in 1994. By the time he left, after the Saudis began demanding his expulsion, he had consolidated a comprehensive system of entities in the city. In Nov. 1998, Bakri hosted a conference in London called Western Challenge and Islamic Response, attended by more than a dozen extremist groups. At the gathering, Bakri voiced support for Osama bin Laden's jihad and said recent anti-U.S. attacks such as those in Saudi Arabia and East Africa were legitimate acts. Following 9/11, Bakri was one of the first Islamist figures to publicly applaud the attacks. Since then he has spoken often of his support for violent jihad, even admitting to signing up recruits for Islamist campaigns in places like Kashmir and Israel. A number of governments -- including
[FairfieldLife] MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events?
To all members: It appears that MMY used the UK natal chart to foresee the difficult period for the nation. Using the natal chart (based on January 1, 1801 as the birth date), the UK is undergoing sade sati (meaning seven and a half years), a period typically dreaded in vedic astrology. Given the current transit of Saturn, this period will last for at least another three years. I believe this is one of the main reasons that MMY decided to withdraw the TM activity in the country for an indefinite time. Given the chaos of the recent incident in London, MMY's decision to leave the UK is prophetic and validates his reputation as a modern day Seer. Regards, John R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Playing the game (was Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if this planet and its lifeforms turn out to be the galactic equivalent of the Smallpox virus, and the only way to save the trillions of trillions of other sentient beings in the universe is to kill off the infestation before it spreads? Not arguing, just trippin' on infinite regress. The further away you stand from a problem, the obvious the obvious facts about it are, and the less important the whole issue seems in the larger scheme of things. I don't consider it an argument. I liken it to playing a game. You decide if you want to play and then you play to win. Ah. If by it you're referring to life, I liken it more to randori than to playing a game. Randori is what you do when you study Judo, one student squaring off against another in a training session and trying his or her best to throw the other judoka. There's an interesting difference. In randori, one is not necessarily trying to win. You learn as much whether you throw or get thrown, and the whole purpose is to have fun and improve your skills, *not* to win. The smallpox virus is playing a game: eat your body up. I don't want it to win. Who is this I of whom you speak? :-) If it does, I get another body and try it again, maybe being a little smarter next time, at least regarding that game. From that perspective, you're right about not taking it all too seriously. Seriousness is not a virtue. - G.K. Chesterton Like the gambler who's down to his last buck. Chances are he'll feel real serious about that next bet and bye, bye $. In Judo, the key is balance. Seriousness doesn't help, and neither does strength or wanting to win. The person who gets so serious about winning as to lose his or her balance loses, and is thrown by his opponent. But in reality both win, because both have learned something from the experience. Yet, one can decide to play a game and play it. If we are the virus and someone gets us it'll all be OK. On a cosmic level, I suspect that at all times it's like one of those DJ's on the radio announcing, All OK, all the time. :-) But, I'd still rather be part of the game than a spectator/commentator. Agreed. But there's still this mysterious I in the equation, wanting to win. If the universe is God, or whatever you choose to call that concept, whom has I just defeated? This is all just wordplay, verbal randori. I'd much rather be a player in that eternal randori than a spectator as well. Like you say, it's all a game. My only point is that there are many ways to play a game. One can play to win, or one can play to learn and improve one's skills at the game, or one can play to benefit the bettors on the side- lines who have money down on you, or one can just play for the sheer joy of playing. In Hindu cosmology, the answer given to the question Why does the absolute manifest as the relative is usually given in one Sanskrit word: 'lila,' or play. Somehow the long vowels (lee-laah) make it sound to me even more like a play: 1 lIlA f. (derivation doubtful) play , sport , diversion , amusement , pastime MBh. Ka1v. c. ; mere sport or play , child's play , ease or facility in doing anything ib. ; mere appearance , semblance , pretence , disguise , sham Ka1v. Katha1s. Pur. There's no winning or losing involved, only play. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events?
On Jul 8, 2005, at 3:09 PM, John wrote: Given the chaos of the recent incident in London, MMY's decision to leave the UK is prophetic and validates his reputation as a modern day Seer. Your conclusion doesn't follow from what you stated previously. The obvious conclusion would be 'M. makes decisions based on Jyotish consultations and sometimes those appear to coincide with real-life events.' --not that M. is a seer simply because his assumed name has the word rishi in it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events?
--- John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all members: It appears that MMY used the UK natal chart to foresee the difficult period for the nation. This is pure conjecture on your part. You don't know this, do you? Using the natal chart (based on January 1, 1801 as the birth date), the UK is undergoing sade sati (meaning seven and a half years), a period typically dreaded in vedic astrology. Given the current transit of Saturn, this period will last for at least another three years. Well, what's been going on the previous 4 1/2 years? I believe this is one of the main reasons that MMY decided to withdraw the TM activity in the country for an indefinite time. Yes, with the emphasis on belief Given the chaos of the recent incident in London, MMY's decision to leave the UK is prophetic and validates his reputation as a modern day Seer. I'm sorry you lost me there. Can you run that logic by me again? What is a seer and why does MMY fall into this category? Regards, John R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Message from an Ascended Master
Thank you. I may now continue with my day... --- ascended masters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am Babaji, known as the yogi Christ. What does it mean to be ascended? I ask this question to stir a memory deep within you of when you knew your true identity. The Ascended Beings, whose numbers are great, are those beings who have gone before you into the darkness and illusion of separation from their true identity, and emerged with the absolute knowing of their own union with God. This awakening happens in different ways for different cultures, different peoples and different periods in Earths history. You as an individual expression of God, have chosen, through this life time and many others, to allow the memory of your truth to recede, so you could experience life with an ego, free will and free choice. This has certain advantages, especially when taking on a physical body and operating in a vibrationally dense environment such as the earths. Many of you have come to earth this lifetime to complete the cycle of separation, and then help others along their path of awakening. It is a great accomplishment for a soul to make the full cycle of pure union, to separation, and then back to full experience of union with God. To be ascended while remaining in a physical body is ideal for mastering the universal laws that apply to planets such as earth. To truly know with every cell in your body and every part of yourself that you are one being in God, to know that you are one with every other being in Gods creation is to have the unconditional support of Gods grace. To live this knowing gives great power to the individual; it allows the individual to operate at a higher level of functioning in the earth environment. This knowing bestows on the individual the power to manifest goodness and abundance on the material plane, the power to heal oneself and others, the power to live joyfully and create heaven on Earth, without conflict, pain or misery. You, the individual expression of God, then become an emissary and carrier of the immense love that God has for his creation. In this place of awakening you will be asked to serve God and make the ultimate choice between your ego and your truth. When you accept this call to service you will be offered the status of an Ascended One. We, the Ascended Ones, who have gone before you, invite you now to wake up to your truth; the truth that you are an aspect of God incarnate. It has never been so important to let go of the past ways of thinking. God is putting out a clarion call for his children of Earth to return to the center of his heart from whence you were born. Hasten and allow love to reign once again. Thank you, we adore and attend each and every one of you. Helen French Black Ascending Heart Ministry 481 Sugar Creek Rd. Weaverville, NC 28787 828-626-2559 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ascending-with-love.org __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature support . (Was: Bomb blasts rock London, UK!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://mum.edu/goodnews/images/hagelin+dodril.jpg Man, they sure do look funny! Which is the point,IMHO. Imagine if Deepak Chopra had been asked to dress in such a costume... * Raja Dodrill's get-up is a TMO creation, although it is certainly close to the royal get-ups of many traditions. Hagelin's outfit at MUM graduation rites, ridiculous as it may seem, is similar to what Oxford dudes were wearing at such ceremonies hundreds of years ago and even today at schools around the West. If Chopra attended his school's graduation ceremonies, he probably also wore a funny hat and gown: http://www.burgon.org.uk/society/wardrobe/univ/wpg13oxonMA.html True, but Chopra would have been at least a Rajah in today's TMO, so his outfit would be more like Dodrill's, complete with crown (Danvantri of Heavon on Earth is pretty exalted, eh?). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature Support? -What travesty is this??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: person again and again one begins to wonder why one answered in the first place. Yes I was initiated into TM© Judy way back in 1974...I was 15 at the time...TTC not until the early 80's... I'm sorry to hear that. If you did in fact ever learn and practice TM, you're the poster boy for the need for checking, because you've forgotten just about everything in the oral driver's manual you spoke of. --Actually, until you have taken Dzogchen teachings you really can't speak on effortlessness, surrender, or simplicity. Never have,but how much more effortless is Dzogchen than sitting and closing one's eyes for a moment and noticing 20 or 30 minutes later that you've been meditating all along without realizing it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Sutphen wrote: There is so much contradictory evidence that refutes this magic 1%, square root, Maharishi effect. I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't recall any discussions that presented refuting evidence. I know plenty of posters have taken issue with the rigor of the research. But actually proving it wrong? Actually, research works the other way, the null hypothesis must be rejected to prove the research correct. In the Maharishi Effect (ME) research the null hypothesis is that any reduction of negative trends is by chance. Most of the ME research has methodological problems that does not rule out the null hypothesis. Therefore a more prosaic explanation-chance-is in order. In terms of evidence one only has to look at the crime rate in Fairfield and then look at the number of meditators in the community to reject the ME as it is currently understood. Post hoc explanations of a washing machine effect indicate either the immaturity of the ME theory or the ridiculousness of it. Social field-effect theories are fun to ponder, but there is almost no research to support them. The use of the ME research by the TMO is just cult politics. Inherit in all ME studies is the idea that the larger the sample, the more likely the effect will show. Fairfield (not to mention MUM itself) is small enough that the ME effect might easily be confounded by variables that don't effect a larger area. For instance, if even one MUM student is a pyschopathic nut, the murder-rate on campus might shoot up drastically... Likewise with some meditator with a legitimate medical marijuana need: that single person would change the marijuana use rate in the double digits on campus, and the arrest rate in the Fairfield community by nearly as much. You should know this already, Peter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature Support? -What travesty is this??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:51 AM, Jeff Fischer wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Scientologists take note An equal opportunity insult... Yeah, I feel honored to be included in Vaj's 1.1 comment. Just an observation really--some groups foster reliance on the organization rather than independence and personal autonomy. In the TM case, there's a presumption that intellectual involvement in evaluating one's own technique is detrimental to the practice of hte technique so one doesn't check oneself. The original studies to examine the occurance of transcendental consciousness during TM required meditators to ring a bell when they noted an episode of TC. This was deemed too intrusive and intellectually involving *by TM researchers themselves* so the experimentally procedures have been changed to minimalize such involvement/intrusion because might interfere with figuring out what TC really is, physiologically speaking. In other words, the TM technique, checking procedures, AND the experimental techniques to study the TM technique are quite consistent with the theory that MMY uses to explain TM, so even though you object to everything about TM, there's no contradiction or room for criticism from this perspective, no matter how much you wish there was. [yes, been getting enough sleep lately, and took an adderal on the weekend for the first time in months, so my thoughts are rather more coherent than usual, sorry if this makes you feel uncomfortable] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inherit in all ME studies is the idea that the larger the sample, the more likely the effect will show. Fairfield (not to mention MUM itself) is small enough that the ME effect might easily be confounded by variables that don't effect a larger area. For instance, if even one MUM student is a pyschopathic nut, the murder-rate on campus might shoot up drastically... Likewise with some meditator with a legitimate medical marijuana need: that single person would change the marijuana use rate in the double digits on campus, and the arrest rate in the Fairfield community by nearly as much. You should know this already, Peter. From The Big Chill -- Jeff Goldblum (Michael): Don't knock rationalizations. I don't know anyone who could get through the day without two or three juicy rationalizations. They're more important than sex. Tom Berenger (Sam Weber): Ah, come on. Nothing's more important than sex. Jeff Goldblum (Michael): Oh yeah? Ever gone a week without a rationalization? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to Maharishi and his effects: I'm not ready to write off all that he taught and predicted. My beef with him has more to do with his administration than his knowledge. He cultivated a True Believer culture which makes all pronouncements suspect. But being suspect doesn't make them wrong. It merely means they require further examination. I have not written off all he taught, but I have written off almost all he's predicted. As a seer, he's got the psychic powers of the Wizard of Oz. Heh. He predicted TM centers in every city in the world, as a for instance. Not to mention computers in every home, according to a TM teacher reporting on a lecture from the 60's. Meditation of some form or another has gained acceptability throughout the world. Do you think that that wasn't due, in major part, to his activities? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you had a belief system (such as Tantra) in which nothing was inherently either good or evil, would you need an enemy to reinforce that belief system or lend it credibility? Possibly not. But the minute you have a belief system that positions itself as good or holy, you have a need for there to be something to be bad or unholy to provide contrast to it. Interesting subject. I don't really have a clue here; I'm just rappin', off the top of my head. Unc One could argue from the POV of the *Absolute* that nothing was inherently good or evil. But, the last time I checked, we're currently stuck in the *Relative* and, as we're seeing on a daily basis, there's plenty of evil going on. Something needs to be done about it. Not to bolster some particular religion or *cause* but to save the freakin' planet. Jeff Michael Moorcock,in his Eternal Champion series, makes the point that the Lords of Chaos warn everyone that pure order is evil so they should embrace Chaos, while the Lords of Order recognize the need for balance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to Maharishi and his effects: I'm not ready to write off all that he taught and predicted. My beef with him has more to do with his administration than his knowledge. He cultivated a True Believer culture which makes all pronouncements suspect. But being suspect doesn't make them wrong. It merely means they require further examination. I have not written off all he taught, but I have written off almost all he's predicted. As a seer, he's got the psychic powers of the Wizard of Oz. Heh. He predicted TM centers in every city in the world, as a for instance. Not to mention computers in every home, according to a TM teacher reporting on a lecture from the 60's. Neither of which has ever happened. Are you sure you took that adderal (whatever one is)? :-) Meditation of some form or another has gained acceptability throughout the world. Do you think that that wasn't due, in major part, to his activities? Different issue, answered in another post today. It has nothing to do with prophecy. I'm not saying he didn't contribute, and greatly, to the world's awareness of meditation, just that I think he's a pretty lousy prophet. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So the assumption that by transcending one becomes incapable of error of judgement is non-science and we ought to rely on better methods to determine whether we are right or not. Else we become fundamentalists who can do and say nothing that is out of key. I think what Patrick highlighted is that MMY plays both ends against the middle. He predicts as a result of meditation good behavior and the inability to commit error *by human standards*, whereas his actual metaphysical teaching is that one becomes incapable of error *by Nature's standards*, which not only could be quite different, but which are inscrutahle (Unfathomable is the course of action). IIRC, his definition of error involves making mistakes detrimental to one's spiritual growth or evolution. This starts with CC. I've always thought that perhaps CC ensures that your errors are no longer going to negatively effect your OWN growth, and that higher states of consciousness would expand that no error effect to your surroundings. The higher the state, the broader the beneficial effects. In Unity, all the world would benefit from your actions, but there's growth in Unity as well so... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Premanand Paul Mason wrote: So the assumption that by transcending one becomes incapable of error of judgement is non-science Right. Assumption *is* non-science. But there's plenty of science available on which to base understandings. I'm thinking of the five or six studies the Nidiches published in peer-reviewed journals (I believe they were) demonstrating that TMers score higher on tests of moral development than did people who studied for the tests. and we ought to rely on better methods to determine whether we are right or not. Better methods such as the studies cited above? Else we become fundamentalists who can do and say nothing that is out of key. Fairifield Life has done a pretty thorough job of investigating TMers' True Beliefs and exploding the fundamentalism in them. That's one reason I'm here. But we've yet to really lift a finger when it comes to examing the scientific studies. Every now and then someone ways that sample size was too small or I know a researcher who fudged the statistics on that study, but in my time here we haven't posted a study or a link to a study and deconstructed it the way we do each other's opinions. There are rationale reasons to tie improved social behavior to growth of consciousness, and there is a fair body of research on TM and social behavior. I'm not willing to toss it all out because True Believers participated in the research. But neither am I in a position to review and evaluate the research. So I ask these questions to see what others have to say. I've made it a hobby for 30 years to read and analyze the TM research (as best I can with my limited math background --who the hell is Jenkins, and what is he doing in a box?). The physiological stuff has gotten quite sophisticated. The Ayurvedic research is getting pretty mature, also. ME stuff isn't studied any more, AFAIK. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message from an Ascended Master
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I could strangle myself with my own hands it would be preferable to reading any more of this. I actually just skimmed it and pressed Next, but given this comment, had to go back and read the whole thing, just to savor the full impact of Llun's review. LOL. You're still coherent, so I assume it didn't approach the level of Vogon Poetry... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Premanand Paul Mason wrote: So the assumption that by transcending one becomes incapable of error of judgement is non-science Right. Assumption *is* non-science. But there's plenty of science available on which to base understandings. I'm thinking of the five or six studies the Nidiches published in peer-reviewed journals (I believe they were) demonstrating that TMers score higher on tests of moral development than did people who studied for the tests. and we ought to rely on better methods to determine whether we are right or not. Better methods such as the studies cited above? Well, it seems to me that all that the study as you described it would indicate is that TMers do well at complying with societal standards for morality. That is what any test of moral development would have to be based upon, right? Societal standards for morality might not neces- sarily have anything to do with genuine ethics. Remember the things that were considered not only moral but praiseworthy in the time of the Inqui- sition? Torturing people to death to save their souls was *completely* moral in that period. Was it ethical? Else we become fundamentalists who can do and say nothing that is out of key. Fairifield Life has done a pretty thorough job of investigating TMers' True Beliefs and exploding the fundamentalism in them. That's one reason I'm here. But we've yet to really lift a finger when it comes to examing the scientific studies. See above, if anyone feels capable of commenting on the research mentioned. You're right about cultural norms, but perhaps there's a correlation between being able to stay within the norm (assuming no urgent need otherwise) and the physiological changes that TM brings about? It's also conceivable that SOME cultures are so anti-evolution that people who start growing towards enlightenment won't be able to live comfortably within that culture. For instance, I know of one guy who started TM with his family, but found that TM made MJ use so uncomfortable that he had to stop doing TM in order to enjoy time with his doper friends. He finally started TM again after suffering severe neurological damage from drug use (I assume something more potent than normal pot). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all members: It appears that MMY used the UK natal chart to foresee the difficult period for the nation. Using the natal chart (based on January 1, 1801 as the birth date), the UK is undergoing sade sati (meaning seven and a half years), a period typically dreaded in vedic astrology. Given the current transit of Saturn, this period will last for at least another three years. I believe this is one of the main reasons that MMY decided to withdraw the TM activity in the country for an indefinite time. Given the chaos of the recent incident in London, MMY's decision to leave the UK is prophetic and validates his reputation as a modern day Seer. Regards, John R. If you saw my recent posting I pointed out that Professor Choudhry in India, based on the current transits of the planets made the following announcement - and this several days prior to the attacks. 7th to 9th July, 2005, are days of caution for everyone. Avoid hurry and have patience. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statement of group claiming responsibility 'The heroic mujahedeen have carried out a blessed raid in London' Is this supposed to be an Al Qaeda website? Seems to me that there's no more justification for attacking London subways than there is for attacking the WTC. Especially if no credible group takes formal responsibility for it since there's no political pressure being brought by random violence on civilians. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real tragedy of the London tragedy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statement of group claiming responsibility 'The heroic mujahedeen have carried out a blessed raid in London' Is this supposed to be an Al Qaeda website? Seems to me that there's no more justification for attacking London subways than there is for attacking the WTC. Especially if no credible group takes formal responsibility for it since there's no political pressure being brought by random violence on civilians. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all members: It appears that MMY used the UK natal chart to foresee the difficult period for the nation. Using the natal chart (based on January 1, 1801 as the birth date), the UK is undergoing sade sati (meaning seven and a half years), a period typically dreaded in vedic astrology. Given the current transit of Saturn, this period will last for at least another three years. I believe this is one of the main reasons that MMY decided to withdraw the TM activity in the country for an indefinite time. Given the chaos of the recent incident in London, MMY's decision to leave the UK is prophetic and validates his reputation as a modern day Seer. Or that he employs Really Good Astrologers (tm)... ...or that its all a coincidence... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, chandashari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] If you saw my recent posting I pointed out that Professor Choudhry in India, based on the current transits of the planets made the following announcement - and this several days prior to the attacks. 7th to 9th July, 2005, are days of caution for everyone. Avoid hurry and have patience. IOW, don't take the Tubes, walk? If this was cast for England specifically, it would be relatively impressive... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Not a rationalization. Didn't you know, Lawson? If it supports TM, or if it doesn't support criticism of TM, it's a rationalization by definition. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature Support? -What travesty is this??
On Jul 8, 2005, at 4:45 PM, sparaig wrote: In other words, the TM technique, checking procedures, AND the experimental techniques to study the TM technique are quite consistent with the theory that MMY uses to explain TM, so even though you object to everything about TM, there's no contradiction or room for criticism from this perspective, no matter how much you wish there was. [yes, been getting enough sleep lately, and took an adderal on the weekend for the first time in months, so my thoughts are rather more coherent than usual, sorry if this makes you feel uncomfortable] The only thing that makes me uncomfortable is that your post, as is often the case, doesn't really relate to what I was talking about. The original post was a comment on the style of self-sufficiency typical of yogis and those initiated into lineal meditation systems. Institutionalized McMeditation methods (in general) tend to foster reliance on the org itself and/or sometimes a key charismatic figure. As was mentioned previously on here, I am reminded of Robert Thurman's advice on gurus--if you see that an org is filled with old, long-term students 'run the other way as fast as you can'. It's not a good sign if they are not creating independence, all the while preaching enlightenment. As he put it there should be no old students. I do not object to checking, if you have read some of my previous posts you should know that I feel checking is one of the best elements of the TM path. Ultimately though we should possess methods and skillful means for overcoming obstacles on our own (e.g. the recent conversation on the widespread problem with TM/TMSP and torpor). Are you seriously on Adderal? Why the need for speed? Hasn't your ability to concentrate improved with your meditation practice? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events? (for Peter and all)
Peter and all My response is as follows: 1. This is pure conjecture on your part. You don't know this, do you? An educated guess, yes. 2. Well, what's been going on the previous 4 1/2 years? As you can see in the UK's participation in the Iraq War, the period in question has not been very good. 3. I'm sorry you lost me there. Can you run that logic by me again? What is a seer and why does MMY fall into this category? How can you deny that the attack in London is anything but disastrous for the UK? I believe MMY foresaw the difficult period that the UK will be undergoing. As such, he decided to pull out the TM activity from the country. He may have other motives, such as giving notice to the UK that its participation in the Iraqi War was and is not good for the world peace and order. Nonetheless, the fact remains that TM has left the UK. Not too many people can make predictions and get to see it come true. There are techniques for doing so, such as those used in vedic astrology. However, these various astrological techniques are useless if the astrologer involved does not have the intuition to understand and see the pattern of the future. I believe MMY uses vedic astrology to make his decisions within the TM organization. He may consult with other jyotishis to confirm his own conclusions. But that's understandable as other leaders confer with their advisers before making major decisions. As such, I would consider MMY as a seer, a Maharishi (Great Seer). Regards, John R. Regards, John R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events? (for Peter and all)
On Jul 8, 2005, at 5:41 PM, John wrote: I believe MMY uses vedic astrology to make his decisions within the TM organization. He may consult with other jyotishis to confirm his own conclusions. But that's understandable as other leaders confer with their advisers before making major decisions. As such, I would consider MMY as a seer, a Maharishi (Great Seer). But John, that's not what a Maharishi is... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
sparaig wrote: I've made it a hobby for 30 years to read and analyze the TM research (as best I can with my limited math background --who the hell is Jenkins, and what is he doing in a box?). The physiological stuff has gotten quite sophisticated. The Ayurvedic research is getting pretty mature, also. ME stuff isn't studied any more, AFAIK. It would be interesting to see a compilation of the solid research, and the grounds on which it's considered solid. I heard something second-hand during my MIU days. A science journal editor purportedly waded through the hundreds of TM studies extant at the time (1978 or '79) and pronounced 25% to be junk, 50% to be of common rigor and 25% to be tight, solid research. Can't remember who reported that, however. Makes a big difference whether Keith Wallace said it or a graduate student said it. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unprecedented Nature Support? -What travesty is this??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2005, at 4:45 PM, sparaig wrote: In other words, the TM technique, checking procedures, AND the experimental techniques to study the TM technique are quite consistent with the theory that MMY uses to explain TM, so even though you object to everything about TM, there's no contradiction or room for criticism from this perspective, no matter how much you wish there was. [yes, been getting enough sleep lately, and took an adderal on the weekend for the first time in months, so my thoughts are rather more coherent than usual, sorry if this makes you feel uncomfortable] The only thing that makes me uncomfortable is that your post, as is often the case, doesn't really relate to what I was talking about. The original post was a comment on the style of self-sufficiency typical of yogis and those initiated into lineal meditation systems. Institutionalized McMeditation methods (in general) tend to foster reliance on the org itself and/or sometimes a key charismatic figure. As was mentioned previously on here, I am reminded of Robert Thurman's advice on gurus--if you see that an org is filled with old, long- term students 'run the other way as fast as you can'. It's not a good sign if they are not creating independence, all the while preaching enlightenment. As he put it there should be no old students. Which is why there's lots of old geezers sitting around in monastaries... I would say rather, if there are ONLY old students, there's a problem. That MAY be a valid criticism of the TMO, but of course, raising $3 million to build your own TM center isn't a 22-year-old's job, usually. I do not object to checking, if you have read some of my previous posts you should know that I feel checking is one of the best elements of the TM path. Ultimately though we should possess methods and skillful means for overcoming obstacles on our own (e.g. the recent conversation on the widespread problem with TM/TMSP and torpor). That's solved by advice given countless times: meditate and engage in dynamic acivity --the more dynamic the better, as long as you don't strain. Of course, strain can be taken as meaning I don't feel like gettingout of bed because its such an effort to move, but there is such a thing as self-indulgent laziness (or clinical depression, but that's generally a medical condition of some sort). Are you seriously on Adderal? Why the need for speed? Hasn't your ability to concentrate improved with your meditation practice? Indeed it has and does. However, a few years back, I decided to try to work on a programming project out of my house and didn't notice the mold infestation in my closet. After 3 years of living in what was essentially a moldy cave, my nervous system became so messed up that I gained 50 lbs, lost the ability to count to ten mentally without getting lost, and couldn't remember if I had locked my door or not even though I had checked it 10x in a row (leading to a semi- misdiagnosis of OCD). All the relatively minor things I had mostly under control with meditation were exacerbated to the point of ludicrousness (except it's real and not a cliche). TM is great, but CNS damage often requires medical intervention, at least in the short run. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events? (for Chandashari et all)
Chandashari, If Professor Choudry had seen the UK chart, he would have made a more definitive statement about the potential events in the UK. There are certain features in the UK chart that are indicative of troubles ahead. These features include the transit of Saturn to the natal Moon, which is termed Sade Sati. Regards, John R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, chandashari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all members: It appears that MMY used the UK natal chart to foresee the difficult period for the nation. Using the natal chart (based on January 1, 1801 as the birth date), the UK is undergoing sade sati (meaning seven and a half years), a period typically dreaded in vedic astrology. Given the current transit of Saturn, this period will last for at least another three years. I believe this is one of the main reasons that MMY decided to withdraw the TM activity in the country for an indefinite time. Given the chaos of the recent incident in London, MMY's decision to leave the UK is prophetic and validates his reputation as a modern day Seer. Regards, John R. If you saw my recent posting I pointed out that Professor Choudhry in India, based on the current transits of the planets made the following announcement - and this several days prior to the attacks. 7th to 9th July, 2005, are days of caution for everyone. Avoid hurry and have patience. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events? (for Peter and all)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter and all My response is as follows: 1. This is pure conjecture on your part. You don't know this, do you? An educated guess, yes. 2. Well, what's been going on the previous 4 1/2 years? As you can see in the UK's participation in the Iraq War, the period in question has not been very good. 3. I'm sorry you lost me there. Can you run that logic by me again? What is a seer and why does MMY fall into this category? How can you deny that the attack in London is anything but disastrous for the UK? I believe MMY foresaw the difficult period that the UK will be undergoing. As such, he decided to pull out the TM activity from the country. He may have other motives, such as giving notice to the UK that its participation in the Iraqi War was and is not good for the world peace and order. Nonetheless, the fact remains that TM has left the UK. Not too many people can make predictions and get to see it come true. There are techniques for doing so, such as those used in vedic astrology. However, these various astrological techniques are useless if the astrologer involved does not have the intuition to understand and see the pattern of the future. I believe MMY uses vedic astrology to make his decisions within the TM organization. He may consult with other jyotishis to confirm his own conclusions. But that's understandable as other leaders confer with their advisers before making major decisions. As such, I would consider MMY as a seer, a Maharishi (Great Seer). Can't speak to MMY's ESP, but Maharishi, according to him, is someone who can teach others to become rishis (enlightened knowers of reality) and has nothing directly to do with fortelling the future... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all members: It appears that MMY used the UK natal chart to foresee the difficult period for the nation. Using the natal chart (based on January 1, 1801 as the birth date), the UK is undergoing sade sati (meaning seven and a half years), a period typically dreaded in vedic astrology. Given the current transit of Saturn, this period will last for at least another three years. I believe this is one of the main reasons that MMY decided to withdraw the TM activity in the country for an indefinite time. Given the chaos of the recent incident in London, MMY's decision to leave the UK is prophetic and validates his reputation as a modern day Seer. Regards, John R. That's one way of looking at it. Another is to say that by taking away the support we need when we need it most makes him as culpable as would be someone who refused to throw a life belt to someone who was drowning, or who threw the drowning man a concrete life belt. A modern day seer or a killer? Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: I've made it a hobby for 30 years to read and analyze the TM research (as best I can with my limited math background --who the hell is Jenkins, and what is he doing in a box?). The physiological stuff has gotten quite sophisticated. The Ayurvedic research is getting pretty mature, also. ME stuff isn't studied any more, AFAIK. It would be interesting to see a compilation of the solid research, and the grounds on which it's considered solid. I heard something second-hand during my MIU days. A science journal editor purportedly waded through the hundreds of TM studies extant at the time (1978 or '79) and pronounced 25% to be junk, 50% to be of common rigor and 25% to be tight, solid research. Can't remember who reported that, however. Makes a big difference whether Keith Wallace said it or a graduate student said it. Maybe by the standards of 1978, the speaker was correct. By today's standards, I'd say the same thing today (based on my layman's understanding), but NOT about the 1978-era stuff: it was nearly all schlock by today's standards. Science itself matures in the sense that the techniques, mathematical analysis and equipment improve. This is something you need to keep in mind for relatively young sciences such as psychology and neuroscience. An important clue about what is rock-solid coming out of MUM: if it involves researchers from other universities, ESPECIALLY researchers who do not practice TM, its probably first- rate. The closer the ties to TM and MUM, the more suspect it is, as a rule-of-thumb. Some research is so cut-and-dried that I tend to trust it, even if it is MUM-only (e.g. the TC studies, because the researchers acknowledge that they cherry pickedthe subjects so there's no question that the results are well-skewed). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events? (for Sparaig and all)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter and all My response is as follows: 1. This is pure conjecture on your part. You don't know this, do you? An educated guess, yes. 2. Well, what's been going on the previous 4 1/2 years? As you can see in the UK's participation in the Iraq War, the period in question has not been very good. 3. I'm sorry you lost me there. Can you run that logic by me again? What is a seer and why does MMY fall into this category? How can you deny that the attack in London is anything but disastrous for the UK? I believe MMY foresaw the difficult period that the UK will be undergoing. As such, he decided to pull out the TM activity from the country. He may have other motives, such as giving notice to the UK that its participation in the Iraqi War was and is not good for the world peace and order. Nonetheless, the fact remains that TM has left the UK. Not too many people can make predictions and get to see it come true. There are techniques for doing so, such as those used in vedic astrology. However, these various astrological techniques are useless if the astrologer involved does not have the intuition to understand and see the pattern of the future. I believe MMY uses vedic astrology to make his decisions within the TM organization. He may consult with other jyotishis to confirm his own conclusions. But that's understandable as other leaders confer with their advisers before making major decisions. As such, I would consider MMY as a seer, a Maharishi (Great Seer). Can't speak to MMY's ESP, but Maharishi, according to him, is someone who can teach others to become rishis (enlightened knowers of reality) and has nothing directly to do with fortelling the future... From a broad perspective and by his own admission, you are correct. I was using the term in regards to prophecy and such. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sandy's been in to that for a long time (if he's still talking about it). He gave us the test for Kohlberg's deal. I didn't make it to Stage 6 but tried to argue my way to it. Nidich used the definition to prove I wasn't there. If he was telling any TMers they *weren't* at the highest stage, I'm impressed. I'd have expected him to do the opposite. Speaks well for his objectivity. Of course, you may have been a special case. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events? (for Unstressor)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all members: It appears that MMY used the UK natal chart to foresee the difficult period for the nation. Using the natal chart (based on January 1, 1801 as the birth date), the UK is undergoing sade sati (meaning seven and a half years), a period typically dreaded in vedic astrology. Given the current transit of Saturn, this period will last for at least another three years. I believe this is one of the main reasons that MMY decided to withdraw the TM activity in the country for an indefinite time. Given the chaos of the recent incident in London, MMY's decision to leave the UK is prophetic and validates his reputation as a modern day Seer. Regards, John R. That's one way of looking at it. Another is to say that by taking away the support we need when we need it most makes him as culpable as would be someone who refused to throw a life belt to someone who was drowning, or who threw the drowning man a concrete life belt. A modern day seer or a killer? Uns. You've made a good point. But who are we to question what MMY has foreseen? His decision to leave may be the best alternative if we knew all of the factors involved. JR To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events? (for Unstressor)
--- John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all members: It appears that MMY used the UK natal chart to foresee the difficult period for the nation. Using the natal chart (based on January 1, 1801 as the birth date), the UK is undergoing sade sati (meaning seven and a half years), a period typically dreaded in vedic astrology. Given the current transit of Saturn, this period will last for at least another three years. I believe this is one of the main reasons that MMY decided to withdraw the TM activity in the country for an indefinite time. Given the chaos of the recent incident in London, MMY's decision to leave the UK is prophetic and validates his reputation as a modern day Seer. Regards, John R. That's one way of looking at it. Another is to say that by taking away the support we need when we need it most makes him as culpable as would be someone who refused to throw a life belt to someone who was drowning, or who threw the drowning man a concrete life belt. A modern day seer or a killer? Uns. You've made a good point. But who are we to question what MMY has foreseen? His decision to leave may be the best alternative if we knew all of the factors involved. JR Again another belief/story you have regarding MMY. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events?
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, chandashari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] If you saw my recent posting I pointed out that Professor Choudhry in India, based on the current transits of the planets made the following announcement - and this several days prior to the attacks. 7th to 9th July, 2005, are days of caution for everyone. Avoid hurry and have patience. IOW, don't take the Tubes, walk? If this was cast for England specifically, it would be relatively impressive... I don't find this to be impressive in the least. If jyotish is so much of a science, then let's see specific predictions rather than all this post hoc nonsense. Jyotish, the way it is practiced by everyone I've ever read or heard, couldn't predict its way out of the proverbial paper bag. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events? (for Unstressor)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all members: It appears that MMY used the UK natal chart to foresee the difficult period for the nation. Using the natal chart (based on January 1, 1801 as the birth date), the UK is undergoing sade sati (meaning seven and a half years), a period typically dreaded in vedic astrology. Given the current transit of Saturn, this period will last for at least another three years. I believe this is one of the main reasons that MMY decided to withdraw the TM activity in the country for an indefinite time. Given the chaos of the recent incident in London, MMY's decision to leave the UK is prophetic and validates his reputation as a modern day Seer. Regards, John R. That's one way of looking at it. Another is to say that by taking away the support we need when we need it most makes him as culpable as would be someone who refused to throw a life belt to someone who was drowning, or who threw the drowning man a concrete life belt. A modern day seer or a killer? Uns. You've made a good point. But who are we to question what MMY has foreseen? His decision to leave may be the best alternative if we knew all of the factors involved ...the Indies will agree. They have had the door kicked in by MMY. Maybe his 5/11 decision was the only one which would get some teaching done, and the Britisher scorpions stuff was just a justification because he couldn't admit that he was a monk not skilled in the art of running multinational franchise corporations. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sandy's been in to that for a long time (if he's still talking about it). He gave us the test for Kohlberg's deal. I didn't make it to Stage 6 but tried to argue my way to it. Nidich used the definition to prove I wasn't there. If he was telling any TMers they *weren't* at the highest stage, I'm impressed. I'd have expected him to do the opposite. Speaks well for his objectivity. Of course, you may have been a special case. ;-) Most mature, intelligent, college educated adults are in stage 5. They can take multiple perspectives regarding the same thing and understand several courses of action. They see the value of social laws, but also recognize there are individual situations and circumstances where these laws need to be transgressed. Culties are in stage 4 and think they are in stage 6. By the way, MMY's behavior puts him in stage 1(moral reasoning dictated by avoidance of punishment). Go figure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brits had advance warning of attacks
-Netanyahu: Advance warning reports 'absolutely false http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45182 -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said. Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had planned to attend an economic conference in a hotel over the subway stop where one of the blasts occurred, and the warning prompted him to stay in his hotel room instead, government officials said. Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said he wasn't aware of any Israeli casualties. Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said. He did not say whether British police made any link to the economic conference. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of his position. Full story at: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ israel_britain_explosions_1 This story showed up on, of all places, Fox News within an hour of the actual incident. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, chandashari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] If you saw my recent posting I pointed out that Professor Choudhry in India, based on the current transits of the planets made the following announcement - and this several days prior to the attacks. 7th to 9th July, 2005, are days of caution for everyone. Avoid hurry and have patience. IOW, don't take the Tubes, walk? If this was cast for England specifically, it would be relatively impressive... I don't find this to be impressive in the least. If jyotish is so much of a science, then let's see specific predictions rather than all this post hoc nonsense. Jyotish, the way it is practiced by everyone I've ever read or heard, couldn't predict its way out of the proverbial paper bag. I said relatively did I not? Never sprang for a jyotish chart, letalone a yagya, or you're preaching to the choir here, though I might really be tonedeaf and not realize it --just to muddle the metaphors tothe point of uselessness... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Used UK Natal Chart to Foresee Events?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, chandashari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7th to 9th July, 2005, are days of caution for everyone. Avoid hurry and have patience. IOW, don't take the Tubes, walk? If this was cast for England specifically, it would be relatively impressive... I don't find this to be impressive in the least. If jyotish is so much of a science, then let's see specific predictions rather than all this post hoc nonsense. Jyotish, the way it is practiced by everyone I've ever read or heard, couldn't predict its way out of the proverbial paper bag. Yes. Lets see Jyotish justify the beginning of WW2, the end of the Battle of Britain, and the end of WW2, (if that's the right way of putting it),and predict the next significant event. ...and this Saturday's lottery numbers; six numbers between 1 and 49 inclusive. It is a rollover. Numbers MUST be posted by 21.00 hours BST. The first £5m is a divi out to FFL active participants. Also, anyone who has lived a week in any big city knows that avoid hurry and have patience does not map to don't go by tube. Its barking mad. People would have to walk for two hours, would have to hurry to arrive in that time, and would have their patience totally burnt out if they walked instead of using the tube. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sandy's been in to that for a long time (if he's still talking about it). He gave us the test for Kohlberg's deal. I didn't make it to Stage 6 but tried to argue my way to it. Nidich used the definition to prove I wasn't there. If he was telling any TMers they *weren't* at the highest stage, I'm impressed. I'd have expected him to do the opposite. Speaks well for his objectivity. Of course, you may have been a special case. ;-) Most mature, intelligent, college educated adults are in stage 5. They can take multiple perspectives regarding the same thing and understand several courses of action. They see the value of social laws, but also recognize there are individual situations and circumstances where these laws need to be transgressed. Culties are in stage 4 and think they are in stage 6. By the way, MMY's behavior puts him in stage 1(moral reasoning dictated by avoidance of punishment). Go figure. Or perhaps, you are a cultie in stage 4 and projecting your own level of development onto MMY, or perhaps... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [NESARA CANADA] Message from the Galactic Federation of Light, 7th July 2005
Note: forwarded message attached. Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- Message from the Galactic Federation of Light through Jim Langman 7th July, 2005 Greetings and blessings, we are the Galactic Federation of Light. We come to you with a message of great importance. Your planet, as well as yourselves have now entered into a totally new phase of transformation that dictates to us that we must now take a much more direct role in these last stages of your ascension process. As always we have taken our instructions from the many heavenly orders as to what role we can play in your ongoing transformations. We now inform you that our Divine Creator has commanded that we are to now interact more directly with the people of your world. The time has now arrived where any further attempts by your governments as well as the ones that have been given the powers to create any further delays will no longer be tolerated by us or by our Divine Creator. Any attempt to do so will be swiftly dealt with. Firstly we will speak on the subject of your Mother Earths own transformations and discuss events that have taken place and will continue to take place. Your world needs to quickly transform herself. You have witnessed recent events that your world is changing and the evidence of her changes are now very clear to you. Her physical changes will continue and there are events that we can only say at this time are close to happening. At all times she is conscious of the fact that there will be some loss of life and wishes that this be minimized as much as possible, this is where our many teams are constantly watching around your world to see what adjustments can be made to minimize any great loss of life and elevate any possible great catastrophe. The earthquakes that have happened in recent times are simply warnings of what is to come. We do not give you this message to create fear, but simply bring it to your attention so that you are more aware and to be better prepared when future major events take place. This is also one of the main reasons why more of a direct action is needed on our part to prevent any catastrophe and any loss of life on any grand scale. We have over the last few months alone stepped up our attempts to bring the knowledge of our existence to the people of your world, so that they can become more prepared when we formally arrive upon your world. Another reason why we need to step up our procedures is the fact that your last remaining super powers have stepped up their own plans to totally dominate your world. They do not care whom they destroy to reach their goals. The thought of what they have planned for your world is quite abhorrent to us. We cannot and will not permit them to succeed with their agenda. We promise you, we have the technologies and the capabilities to stop them in their tracks very quickly. There are plans already in place that will soon remove these most despicable ones from power. These ones we speak of are in great turmoil even as we speak, which makes them even more dangerous because now they are desperate to succeed. We assure you that we will see to it that they will fail. Your world has a grand destiny and we have all the legions of light behind us to bring your desired new reality as soon as possible. There has been much debate over the last few years about prosperity programs and the funds eventually being released to various ones upon your world that will see that these funds are dispersed into the correct areas. We will now state very strongly to you that the disbursement of these prosperity funds will take place, and take place very soon. Your year of 2005 is a very special year, one that you all will remember for generations to come. Many glorious events are destined to manifest themselves and you will bear witness to this fact before your year is over. Returning to an earlier statement we made in this message and wish to state again and make it very clear, we will not tolerate any further delays by your governments and we have made this very clear to our ground forces to take whatever action that is needed. They now understand that we will not delay our plans to intervene and arrive upon your world even if they do not complete their plans on time. There is a divine timetable in place and this will no longer be interfered with. Your world is changing and changing quickly. Mother Earth needs our direct assistance on a grander scale, this we shall do. She can no longer be abused in the ways she been and which still continues. Her oceans are being
