[FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It will all work out right in the end, or not. One thing you can > definitely say about MMY, more than just about any other major > personality in the world: he's created his own reality. That's what people in psychosis do also, as they are not capable of participating in the mutually shared reality in the society around. They create their own isolated private reality, which usually doesn't work, because we are not isolated entities and also because the reality check in these creations is very poor. Many people live also in a partial psychosis, where only a part of their personality is in the psychosis. Often they can get along in the society. The psychosis can get expressed more in private pursuits. Some people are talented enough to attract around their creation people, who are willing to share the psychosis. That is called shared psychosis. In psychosis the reality check is clearly distorted compared to what is the case generally in the society around. This kind of creation cannot be successful in the long run. But if you manage to create a way of being and relating to others that is better capable of enhancing the evolution and well-being of those, who share this new form of relating, it has long lasting possibilities of spreading. And this is not necessarily psychosis. In the modern world luckily the prospects are not anymore that good for long lasting success, if exploitation of others and suppression of their human rights is needed for the well-being of those who are in power in this new creation. I myself am more of an adherent of participating in the predominant society around and helping it to evolve. But experimentations in small groups with different organizations are important too. First it gives people possibilities to participate and live through their suppressed issues in an authentic psychodrama setting. And sometimes also a real jewel can be found in those experimentations, which then can be incorporated in the bigger society. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
There is no statute of limitations on fraud. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Unfortunately I think you're right Unc. I'm sure the > > > intent is to try to make people think and act one way > > > but the reality of the schools is something quite > > > different. In other words, a con. It's really too bad. > > > This type of "con" mentality comes up time and time > > > again in the TMO. By a con mentality I mean an > > > attitude that what we, the TMO, want or desire should > > > not be delayed or prevented by any government > > > regulation, business ethic, etc.. For example,years > > > ago when I was on TSR a friend of mine was in the MIU > > > doctoral program in neuroscience. He was furious > > > because MIU had faked a class to meet the criteria of > > > a visiting accreditation team. The administration and > > > the faculty apparently had no problem with this at > > > all. > > > > I certainly saw lots of examples of this at National. > > The only thing that counted was the *appearance* > > of things, not the reality. I saw TM leaders lying > > under oath in court precedings, and obviously not > > feeling that there was anything wrong with this. > > One example, during the NJ "is TM a religion" case, > > was when the prosecution issued a subpoena (sp?) > > for a certain audio tape that contained a clear refer- > > ence by Maharishi to TM being a religious practice. > > The Regional Offices were instructed to destroy their > > copies of this tape and we had to call all TM centers > > and tell them to destroy *their* copy while we waited > > on the phone for them to do it and confirm it to us. And > > then the representatives from National responded to > > the subpoena by swearing under oath that no such > > tape never existed. > > BTW, you've just admited to being an accessory, after-the-fact, for > massive purjury and fraud... Not sure of the statute of limitations > on this though... > > > > > > What this school thing looks like to me is that there are > > in fact, a few such schools, or at least there were long > > enough to take a few photos and plant a few articles in > > the press to make it look as if there were more. My bet > > is that this is a business fronted by Maharishi's relatives > > that, following the TMO model, managed to qualify for > > massive tax breaks or tax-exempt status by claiming it > > was a non-profit educational organization. Then at a > > certain point (I would guess from the copyright dates > > 2003), someone from the guvmint asked them to actually > > prove that they *were* a non-profit educational organ- > > ization, and they threw together this website as "proof." > > > > A few posed photos from the few real schools that were > > acually created, someone entering fake data into an Access > > database to make it look as if there were more such schools, > > and voila, the front organization gets to remain a front organ- > > ization, and gets to continue making its real money by buying > > and selling real estate, tax-free. > > > > And no one feels bad about it because it's just low-vibe non- > > meditators who are being taken in. > > I've no doubt, as I said, that the TMO exagerates the number and > quality of such schools. However, at least ONE of them appear to be > still active and thriving, as of July 10, 2005, with 1,000 students > listed as having taking a major exam win a non-TM organization: > > http://icmr.nic.in/jrf/roll_2005.htm > > Roll No for ICMR JRF Examination - 2005 > > Exam Date : July 10, 2005 > > ABOUT ICMR > The Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR), New Delhi, the apex > body in India for the formulation, coordination and promotion of > biomedical research, is one of the oldest medical research bodies in > the world. > [...] > http://icmr.nic.in/jrf/chennai_chetput.htm > > MAHARISHI VIDYA MANDIR SENIOR SECONDARY SCHOOL > (JUNIOR > COLLEGE) 28, DR GURUSWAMY ROADCHETPET CHENNAI > 600031 > > -- > -- > > > Sr.No. Roll No Name > FATHER'S NAME DIARY NO.FORM > NO. > > -- > -- > > > 1 22001 MRUTHYUNJAYA S > SATHYAPPANAVAR S C 470200083 > > [...] > >903
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reac
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 31, 2005, at 4:51 PM, cardemaister wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:40 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis > > wrote: > >>> > This is the only sutra in Patanjali that says that > Enlightenment is the result of doing this sutra. Very clever. > > Sutra > This also explains what happens to the intellect. > >> > >> Old Notes from my Patanjali Guru -V. > >> > >> Eventually rajas and tamas and cleansed from the mind. When the > > Buddhi > >> becomes as purified as gold, it then rests and stays in its own > > nature, > >> experience changes. > > > > Well, yes, indeed: > > > > tat puruSasya kaivalyaM, tadaa puruSaH > > *sva-ruupa-maatra-jyotir-amalaH* kevalii bhavati! > > > > -- shriimad-vyaasa-bhaaSya > > Pure samprajnata "cognitive" samadhi trip dude (dudette?). Then comes > dharma-megha, that 'raincloud of virtue'. sometimes rain's a good > thang. Yes, it sure is, and rain-dear and gote, too! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
--Anyone know what happened to Rob and Lucinda Wallace; first heard about TM, many years ago, from them...R.G. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 7/31/05 7:49 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I cannot figure out how Paul Potter got to be in the position he > > occupies in the TM org. He has nearly no personality at all when he > > speaks and if you try to talk to him in person he is markedly absent. > > > > Does anyone know if he and Susie Raymond are still married? She used > > to be one of the greatest people, she was an absolute riot to know, > > funny as heck and then she got married to Paul and eventually seemed > > to completely lose any connection to anything remotely resembling a > > personality. It was such a shame. > > Paul was a sweet, innocent fellow in the early days. He's from Connecticut > and I knew him pretty well there and on courses. He was in a little group > that I hung out with, which included the Seibert sisters, Bob Fickes, Rob > and Lucinda Wallace, etc. I think his blind unswerving devotion to MMY got > him where he is. That and maybe some family inheritance with which he bought > his rajahood. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Antigravitational effect of vibration!? (Yeah, right!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > http://www.mysticalsun.com/cymatics/cymatics.html > > > > In his research with the tonoscope, Jenny noticed that when the > > vowels of the ancient languages of Hebrew and Sanskrit were > > pronounced, the sand took the shape of the written symbols for > > these vowels, while our modern languages, on the other hand, did > > not generate the same result! [huh-duh?! - carde] How is this > > possible? Did the ancient Hebrews and Indians know this? Is there > > something to the concept of "sacred language," which both of these > > are sometimes called? > > > > I just read the Web page. Utterly fascinating. > > But I'm puzzled. Are Sanskrit or Hebrew vowels, > pronounced in isolation, different from vowels > in modern languages pronounced in isolation? I > can understand that some would be, but isn't there > a relatively limited number of vowel sounds the > human vocal apparatus can produce? That's what I thought too. At least that part seem like bogus. > > Maybe it's a continuum, such that there can be > extremely refined differences. But there are no > "native" ancient Hebrew or Sanskrit speakers; > these would have to be second languages. So how > could there be a *standard* for the pronunciation > of each vowel, if very refined variations would > make a significant difference between the sand > patterns? > > Seems to me you'd have to go in the other direction > and say the standard for a vowel pronunciation is > whether it creates the shape of the symbol for it > in the sand pattern. > > I'm not at all sure what I'm talking about here; I'm > just trying to make it come together in my head. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fee now $3,000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone know anyone who has started TM for $1000 or higher? > > JohnY Herb Khare (brother of Ron) in Pasadena, CAl (or thereabouts) has taught at least a couple of people at that price. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fee now $3,000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 7/30/05 10:35:20 P.M. Central > > Daylight Time, > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > I was asked recently to speak a little about TM - > > It provoked an > > > unpleasant reaction when I told the group the > > $2500 price, I'm sure > > > $3000 will be even more fun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le'me guess, public stoning? > > > > Quick question, how many here (including TM > > teachers, former > > TMteachers, etc) honestly believe that TM is unique, > > worth the money, > > etc? > > > > Seems to me that if you don't believe in what you're > > trying to sell, > > you're never going to sell anything... > > TM and the TM-Sidhis program are great techniques. I > still see them as unique in the spiritual supermarket > out there. But this probably is just a reflection of > my own bias. How would I know? The only other > techniques I've done are SSRS's Sudarshan Kriya, > vipasana meditation and Atman vichara (Self-Inquiry). > I don't see these as better or worse than > TM/TM-sidhis, just different. But $3000 to start TM is > a bit tough for most people to pay. I certainly could > not mention that price to someone if I was giving a > public presentation on TM without feeling a bit of > discomfort. I do know one thing, if you paid 3 grand > to learn TM you'd certainly continue to practice it! > That's just it. I don't believe that I know a single person that has paid over $450 for the TM Technique. All these pricing moves about TM are only talk TM has not been taught to the 'public' in a long time. Does anyone know anyone who has started TM for $1000 or higher? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 7/31/05 11:38 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> I cannot come up with any other hypothesis for all this silliness... > >> > >> I can. He's gotten more and more mentally unbalanced over the years. > > I think > >> MMY takes this stuff as seriously as the people working for him do. > > > > MMY may take the stuff seriously, but its his organization, no? > > Yup. He can do whatever he wants with it, and he has. It will all work out right in the end, or not. One thing you can definitely say about MMY, more than just about any other major personality in the world: he's created his own reality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
on 7/31/05 11:38 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> I cannot come up with any other hypothesis for all this silliness... >> >> I can. He's gotten more and more mentally unbalanced over the years. > I think >> MMY takes this stuff as seriously as the people working for him do. > > MMY may take the stuff seriously, but its his organization, no? Yup. He can do whatever he wants with it, and he has. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this true? Rajas talk of land purchased, new cente...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/31/05 10:28:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > At least we know MMY doesn't need a remote prompter... > > > > > > Yeah he does! You've seen the bulge on his back under the robe? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 7/31/05 7:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Maybe all this insanity -- and that is precisely what any rational > > person would have to conclude it is -- is his way of saying: "isn't > > there ANYONE out there that listened to what I've been saying all > > these years? Won't someone have the courage of their convictions > > and call me on this and put a stop to all this nonsense?" > > > > I cannot come up with any other hypothesis for all this silliness... > > I can. He's gotten more and more mentally unbalanced over the years. I think > MMY takes this stuff as seriously as the people working for him do. MMY may take the stuff seriously, but its his organization, no? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > snip > > > > But it almost seems to be swinging in the opposite > > direction, as if there's more and more psychological > > investment *against* MMY and the TMO, as if people > > *want* it all to be a fraud and a failure. > > snip > > As alluded to, many of us invested time, money, energy, goodwill, "our > youth" type thing in the TMO. What we've seen in the last 12 -15 > years or so has left us a little disillusioned. > In many cases we have regrouped and moved on. I would question this claim... Our involvement has made an impression we > will never get over in this lifetime, and that is a good thing because > it helped catapult us onto the spiritual path. But we have > gone "beyond the pale", and we see things in a different way, and we > can't really help having a little fun poking fun at the whole thing. > It's good therapy. > Former believers' jokes are always a tad strained, IMHO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the announcement there is this little gem: > > << of building Peace Palaces. Much of this land, Raja Potter said, was > discovered by the great explorer Richard Quinn, who embodies so > completely the principle that came out the day before yesterday that > it doesn't matter who does it, it only matters that it gets done, and > also the principle 'I will do it immediately.' >>> > > The GREAT EXPLORER Richard Quinn Discovered I think this > qualifies for a WhatTheF***! The land is just north of NYC. > > Smacks of something written by MMY himself... > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Raja Paul Potter, the Raja of New York, whose other areas of > > responsibility around the world include Austria, The Netherlands > > Antilles, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay, Gambia, and the Republic of > > Congo was one of the speakers. Following is a paraphrase of his talk." > > > > http://tinyurl.com/cu6oq To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rivalry for Jyotir Math
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Rivalry for Jyotir Math by Dana Sawyer 2001 > Very intersting read. I believe that Chandola's family connections are with those who still side with the Swami Shantananda Saraswati lineage, so he probably has a slightly different view on some of these points. I forwarded it to him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fee now $3,000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Quick question, how many here (including TM > > > teachers, former > > > TMteachers, etc) honestly believe that TM is unique, > > > worth the money, > > > etc? > > Since you asked, my honest answers are: > > "No, I don't believe the technique is unique." > > "No, I don't believe it is worth what is being charged for it." > > I think it would be a great technique if it were made avaliable > at its original price -- $75 for working adults, $35 for students. > At that price, I would recommend it along with other techniques > that are available at that price point that have (in my opinion) > equal value for the potential student. > > Of course, those who believe that TM's worth is beyond measure don't see it that way... > Now a few questions in return: > > -- How many other techniques of meditation have you > studied to verify your (seeming) belief that TM is unique? None,but I haven't claimed that TM is "unique" in the sense that you can only learn the "technique" from someone trained by MMY. > > -- What makes you believe it's worth, say, 46 times what > Vipassana meditation generally costs, or 200 times what > Tibetan Buddhist meditation "costs" (in quotes because > the latter $15 was a suggested, but not required, donation). > Dunno. What's the long-term health benefits of each of these, as documented by research? > -- If you had a friend who wanted to learn to meditate, but > who made less money per month than TM costs (which > would put them at about the median income level for > Americans), would you recommend that the friend learn > TM rather than check out one of the more reasonably- > priced alternatives? These days I dohn't rememend anything. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > But I'm sure the community was happy to have the school.< I > could easily see 200 such places in India that the TMO could have started with > maybe a few larger places to show off and give the impression they are all > like that. No doubt that this is true. I'm reasonably certain that they would like ALL the schools to be like the showcases, but obviously youonly showcase your best, notyour worst. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/31/05 9:33:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ogroups.com writes: > > But y'know, the funny thing is that I really *would* > love to believe that the TMO has done something > non-self-serving with its money in all this time. I > think it would be really *neat* if there really *were* > 200 schools in India, providing a free or reasonably- > priced education, one that involved being exposed > to the practice of meditation (as opposed to being > forced to practice meditation). It would be really > nice to believe this. > > But I can't. And the reason is because the TMO lost > *all* its credibility for me decades ago. After 40 years > of broken promises, "pronouncements" that don't come > true or have anything to do with what we consensually > call reality, consistent abuses of trust, the law, and even > its own followers, *how* could I just take the TM organ- > ization's word for something like this? > > How do you tell when Karl Rove is lying? His lips are > moving. > > How do you tell when the TM organization is either > lying or lost in some amazingly delusional fantasy? > They issue a press release or make a "pronouncement." > > It's all in the patterns. If the patterns have been clearly > established for many years (and they have, in both > examples above), how likely is it that those patterns > are going to change at the last minute? > > > > > > > I can't speak for the TMO and the claim of 200 schools, but when I was in > Uttar Kashi in the mid 90's there was a Maharishi Vidya mandir or whatever they > called it. I was invited with my traveling companion to see the place and > speak before an assembly of the students. However the place didn't look > anything like these places on the web sites. A few small buildings with tin roofs > and a couple hundred students ranging in age from 5 or 6 to late teens. And it > wasn't free. But I'm sure the community was happy to have the school.< I > could easily see 200 such places in India that the TMO could have started with > maybe a few larger places to show off and give the impression they are all > like that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Antigravitational effect of vibration!? (Yeah, right!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > http://www.mysticalsun.com/cymatics/cymatics.html > > > > In his research with the tonoscope, Jenny noticed that when the > > vowels of the ancient languages of Hebrew and Sanskrit were > > pronounced, the sand took the shape of the written symbols for > > these vowels, while our modern languages, on the other hand, did > > not generate the same result! [huh-duh?! - carde] How is this > > possible? Did the ancient Hebrews and Indians know this? Is there > > something to the concept of "sacred language," which both of these > > are sometimes called? > > > > I just read the Web page. Utterly fascinating. > > But I'm puzzled. Are Sanskrit or Hebrew vowels, > pronounced in isolation, different from vowels > in modern languages pronounced in isolation? I > can understand that some would be, but isn't there > a relatively limited number of vowel sounds the > human vocal apparatus can produce? > > Maybe it's a continuum, such that there can be > extremely refined differences. But there are no > "native" ancient Hebrew or Sanskrit speakers; > these would have to be second languages. So how > could there be a *standard* for the pronunciation > of each vowel, if very refined variations would > make a significant difference between the sand > patterns? > > Seems to me you'd have to go in the other direction > and say the standard for a vowel pronunciation is > whether it creates the shape of the symbol for it > in the sand pattern. > > I'm not at all sure what I'm talking about here; I'm > just trying to make it come together in my head. "O" has always been a neat thing. YOu can get an "O" out of an ocilliscope if you speakit properly into a microphone. Don't know aboutthe others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" [...] > As we drove I also kept asking him questions about MMY and the TM.org > in India. He kept answering saying that while he lives there in > India and he gets to travel all over because of his Swami TV cable > talkshow and he frankly kept saying that other than some schools that > nothing is happening and there really is no presence of either MMY, > pundits or the TM.org there in India. If (if) the tower gets built, that would obviously change, eh? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
Someone sent me this. Worth forwarding I suppose. Friends, I just read an intersting book and I wanted to share some myths he debunks and I would suggest reading the book! I would be interested in your perspective on these myths and maybe you have some of your own!. William Spiritual Myths from The Translucent Revolution by Arjuna Ardagh 1 After a spiritual awakening, there is no more ego, and personality traits disappear completely. What remains is just a homogenous oneness with everything. 2. Awake people are not identified with the personality and therefore have no interest in changing it. 3. Awake people have no sense of a separate doer. Therefore they do not initiate action, but sit quietly doing nothing and wait for things to happen by themselves. 4. People who are awake do not have feelings, particularly ³negative² ones like anger, fear, jealousy, or greed. Instead, they are always calm, in an unchanging state, feeling an unbroken oneness with everything. 5. You have to choose between feeling and presence. When you have feelings, you have lost who you are. 6. Awakened people do not need anything from anyone. They do not have relationships, since they feel oneness with everything. 7. It does not matter what you say or do. Once you are enlightened, every action, even lying or manipulation, is spontaneously for the good of all beings. 8. After an awakening, there is only peace and harmony with everyone, with no need to do anything. Translucent relationships are always harmonious. 9. Sex is an event of the lower charkas. Awakened people have transcended sex. Sexual energy completely disappears with awakening. 10 Awake people automatically have open and flowing sex, without the need for any practice. 11 Having children is a distraction to spiritual life. Like Buddha, Jesus, and all the great masters, you must choose between family life and spiritual freedom. 12 After an awakening, all the negative influences from you family will dissolve through divine grace. You will spontaneously know ho to be a perfect parent. 13 Awakened people are naturally creative. Great art flows through them spontaneously, without any need for formal training or skills. 14 Spiritually awake people would have no need to paint, write pietry, or make musinc; those are all just activities of the restless mind. 15 After a spiritual awakening, there is not need to learn anything; you already are everything. 16 Business and spirituality are two separate arenas of life;; inappropriate and embarrassing to mix the two. 17 After any kind of spiritual awakening, money will flow easily and effortlessly into your life, with little or no effort. 18 Money corrupts. Anyone with real spiritual integrity should not be concerned with money, success, or the world. 19 Awakened people are always in perfect health; they never get sick. 20 Those awake to their real nature have spontaneous healing power. Like Jesus, they can cause the sick to rise up and walk. 21 after an awakening, no one needs psychotherapy; there is no ego and no personal life remaining. 22 awakened people are beyond attachment to the body. They have no care if itt lives or dies. 23 After a spiritual awakening, there is no more need for religion. All churches are just for sheep to blindly follow rules. 24 Only very few people in all history have ever known real spiritual experience. The rest of us must be content with a contact high. 25 There is a specific state, in the future, that you can aspire to, where evolution is complete. Then you will flatline, and nothing will ever happen again. Till then, you will know nothing. 26 Spiritual people are beyond the mundane activities of the world; they are just one with what is. Politics and activism are dirty and ignorant. 27 Everything is happening on on its own. There is nothing you can do, and no doer anyway. Nostradamus said there would be a big war, followed by two thousand years of peace. The Mayans support this, and so did the tea leaves in my cup this morning. Involvement in the ways of the world is just interfering with the divine plan. 28 We are entering a golden age; all we have to do is to meditate and love each other and chant OM, and the world¹s problems will evaporate automatically. 29 Capitalists and big corporations are evil. We need an armed insurrection; we can overthrow the oppressors, and the enlightened ones will rule supreme. The world can only be changed through militant political insurrection. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Unfortunately I think you're right Unc. I'm sure the > > intent is to try to make people think and act one way > > but the reality of the schools is something quite > > different. In other words, a con. It's really too bad. > > This type of "con" mentality comes up time and time > > again in the TMO. By a con mentality I mean an > > attitude that what we, the TMO, want or desire should > > not be delayed or prevented by any government > > regulation, business ethic, etc.. For example,years > > ago when I was on TSR a friend of mine was in the MIU > > doctoral program in neuroscience. He was furious > > because MIU had faked a class to meet the criteria of > > a visiting accreditation team. The administration and > > the faculty apparently had no problem with this at > > all. > > I certainly saw lots of examples of this at National. > The only thing that counted was the *appearance* > of things, not the reality. I saw TM leaders lying > under oath in court precedings, and obviously not > feeling that there was anything wrong with this. > One example, during the NJ "is TM a religion" case, > was when the prosecution issued a subpoena (sp?) > for a certain audio tape that contained a clear refer- > ence by Maharishi to TM being a religious practice. > The Regional Offices were instructed to destroy their > copies of this tape and we had to call all TM centers > and tell them to destroy *their* copy while we waited > on the phone for them to do it and confirm it to us. And > then the representatives from National responded to > the subpoena by swearing under oath that no such > tape never existed. BTW, you've just admited to being an accessory, after-the-fact, for massive purjury and fraud... Not sure of the statute of limitations on this though... > > What this school thing looks like to me is that there are > in fact, a few such schools, or at least there were long > enough to take a few photos and plant a few articles in > the press to make it look as if there were more. My bet > is that this is a business fronted by Maharishi's relatives > that, following the TMO model, managed to qualify for > massive tax breaks or tax-exempt status by claiming it > was a non-profit educational organization. Then at a > certain point (I would guess from the copyright dates > 2003), someone from the guvmint asked them to actually > prove that they *were* a non-profit educational organ- > ization, and they threw together this website as "proof." > > A few posed photos from the few real schools that were > acually created, someone entering fake data into an Access > database to make it look as if there were more such schools, > and voila, the front organization gets to remain a front organ- > ization, and gets to continue making its real money by buying > and selling real estate, tax-free. > > And no one feels bad about it because it's just low-vibe non- > meditators who are being taken in. I've no doubt, as I said, that the TMO exagerates the number and quality of such schools. However, at least ONE of them appear to be still active and thriving, as of July 10, 2005, with 1,000 students listed as having taking a major exam win a non-TM organization: http://icmr.nic.in/jrf/roll_2005.htm Roll No for ICMR JRF Examination - 2005 Exam Date : July 10, 2005 ABOUT ICMR The Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR), New Delhi, the apex body in India for the formulation, coordination and promotion of biomedical research, is one of the oldest medical research bodies in the world. [...] http://icmr.nic.in/jrf/chennai_chetput.htm MAHARISHI VIDYA MANDIR SENIOR SECONDARY SCHOOL (JUNIOR COLLEGE) 28, DR GURUSWAMY ROADCHETPET CHENNAI 600031 -- -- Sr.No. Roll No Name FATHER'S NAME DIARY NO.FORM NO. -- -- 1 22001 MRUTHYUNJAYA S SATHYAPPANAVAR S C 470200083 [...] 903 22902 SREEDHAR CHERUKURI BHASKAR RAO CHERUKURI 56030 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.ya
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this true? Rajas talk of land purchased, new cente...
In a message dated 7/31/05 10:28:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At least we know MMY doesn't need a remote prompter... Yeah he does! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi University of Management
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, I posted a photo of my student loans recently. Here's the figures. 32,000 bucks for MIU education, 10,000 for a year of law school. That makes 42,000 dollars. 15 years of deferment, the loans are now 105,496.38 bucks. If I were to repay them the total amount repayed after 340 payments over the next 26 years would be 261,671 dollars. > > I can honestly say I didn't realize what I was getting into, or that the banks still practiced usury. Nobody told me these facts when I went to MIU. > > I would have gotten a fairer rate from the Mafia. DIdn't you at least make the interest paymets? Very silly of you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > So is this real? > > > > > > > > Too grand a gesture for your taste, Unc? > > > > > > > > http://www.maharishividyamandir.com/ > > > > > > > > > > http://www.maharishividyamandir.com/ListofMVM.htm > > > > MVM Schools > > > > > > It would be neat if it were true. But it's just a > > web page, > > > Lawson. Two web pages. *Lots* of charity scams > > have > > > put together such "documentation" of "what they've > > > > > accomplished." > > > > > > Show me real documentation. Show me an article > > from > > > an unbiased Indian newspaper in which the reporter > > went > > > to each of these locations and counted the > > students. Then > > > and only then will I believe it. > > > > I just spent some time clicking on each of the links > > of these supposed "schools." I suspect a real > > reporter > > would do the same, and would come up with questions > > as to why this "database" contains entries such as: > > > > -- 335 students in 21 rooms, with 3000 books, but no > > building > > -- 255 students in 61 rooms, with 157 books, again > > no building > > -- many, if not most of the schools listed being "in > > the process > > of affiliation" rather than being listed as actually > > accredited > > or affiliated > > > > I'm sorry, Lawson...I'd really like this to be true, > > but it > > really, really, really looks like a scam to me. > > Look at > > the *copyright date* on the scam -- 2003. Look at > > the > > copyright date on the "Pictorials" page -- 2001. If > > any > > of this were really true, doncha think there would > > have > > been some outside verification of it by now? Doncha > > think > > that the TMO *itself* would have been trumpeting > > their > > success to the world? > > > > Tell you what...send this web page to the Times Of > > India > > and ask them to assign a reporter to checking it > > out. It > > would be big news, after all -- a guru who "made > > good" > > in the outside world coming back to India and > > helping > > out his country. Then let's see what the reporters > > actually > > find when they go to all these locations and look > > for > > 100,000 students. > > Unfortunately I think you're right Unc. I'm sure the > intent is to try to make people think and act one way > but the reality of the schools is something quite > different. In other words, a con. It's really too bad. > This type of "con" mentality comes up time and time > again in the TMO. By a con mentality I mean an > attitude that what we, the TMO, want or desire should > not be delayed or prevented by any government > regulation, business ethic, etc.. For example,years > ago when I was on TSR a friend of mine was in the MIU > doctoral program in neuroscience. He was furious > because MIU had faked a class to meet the criteria of > a visiting accreditation team. The administration and > the faculty apparently had no problem with this at > all. > The quality of these schools no doubt is all over the place. However, at least several of the schools are large enough and nice enough to get regular mention in the Indian press (see links provided earlier). One has hosted a large chess tournement which is mentioned on non-TM websites devoted to chess in India. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this true? Rajas talk of land purchased, new centers launched
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > If you go to www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace.html, the article > > > talks at length about > > > all sorts of lands purchased, new centers started across the USA. > > > Does anyone here know, > > > is this stuff true? Where is the money for all this coming from? Is > > > the TMO providing > > > funds, at last? Have the recertified teachers been paid as > > > promised? Who signs off on the > > > loans and mortgages and leasing contracts for all this? > > > > I found this, which says the *goal* is to... > > > > "The goal is to set this up within the next six months. This will be > > the combined target of all the Rajas." > > You'll know that the goal has been met when Maharishi, > dressed in a flight suit, stages a press conference on the > decks of a battleship, standing under a banner that says, > "Mission Accomplished." > > Isn't that the modern test for following through on one's > promises? :-) At least we know MMY doesn't need a remote prompter... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this true? Rajas talk of land purchased, new centers launched
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you get thur the first several blah blah blah paragrpahs of the article titled Rajas Offer > Achievements etc etc, Paul Potter, the raja of NY and area says that 80 acres of land have > been purchased near Princeton, NJ, that 12 new centers have been set up.. it sounds as > if these are more than goals, but actual real world events. > Yeah, I just saw that. Of course, until buildings are built, used, etc., its all just real estate investments, as many have pointed out... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
on 7/31/05 8:05 PM, Cliff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > As for Susie - I never knew her before she and Paul were married, so > I cannot comment. She was so far in the background of Paul whenever > I was around that no personality was present. That may be more a > comment on her reaction to me than on her reality, but I'll never know. > > Working for 2 years in MIU-CNL from 1983-1985 was a fascinating > education for me in how the TMO can distort relationships among > couples. Sad, in most cases... I remember Susie having terrible insomnia at MIU-CNL. Paul would sleep soundly while she would sit in the bathroom reading or something so as not to keep him awake. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
on 7/31/05 7:49 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I cannot figure out how Paul Potter got to be in the position he > occupies in the TM org. He has nearly no personality at all when he > speaks and if you try to talk to him in person he is markedly absent. > > Does anyone know if he and Susie Raymond are still married? She used > to be one of the greatest people, she was an absolute riot to know, > funny as heck and then she got married to Paul and eventually seemed > to completely lose any connection to anything remotely resembling a > personality. It was such a shame. Paul was a sweet, innocent fellow in the early days. He's from Connecticut and I knew him pretty well there and on courses. He was in a little group that I hung out with, which included the Seibert sisters, Bob Fickes, Rob and Lucinda Wallace, etc. I think his blind unswerving devotion to MMY got him where he is. That and maybe some family inheritance with which he bought his rajahood. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
on 7/31/05 7:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Maybe all this insanity -- and that is precisely what any rational > person would have to conclude it is -- is his way of saying: "isn't > there ANYONE out there that listened to what I've been saying all > these years? Won't someone have the courage of their convictions > and call me on this and put a stop to all this nonsense?" > > I cannot come up with any other hypothesis for all this silliness... I can. He's gotten more and more mentally unbalanced over the years. I think MMY takes this stuff as seriously as the people working for him do. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
Like a mad, delightful dream, filled with magic castles and kings and intrepid explorers exploring the untamed wilds of New Rochelle. You gotta love it! --- benjaminccollins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the announcement there is this little gem: > > << acquired for the purpose > of building Peace Palaces. Much of this land, Raja > Potter said, was > discovered by the great explorer Richard Quinn, who > embodies so > completely the principle that came out the day > before yesterday that > it doesn't matter who does it, it only matters that > it gets done, and > also the principle 'I will do it immediately.' >>> > > The GREAT EXPLORER Richard Quinn Discovered > I think this > qualifies for a WhatTheF***! The land is just north > of NYC. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Raja Paul Potter, the Raja of New York, whose > other areas of > > responsibility around the world include Austria, > The Netherlands > > Antilles, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay, Gambia, and > the Republic of > > Congo was one of the speakers. Following is a > paraphrase of his talk." > > > > http://tinyurl.com/cu6oq > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So where's the Shiva Lingam..
That's not my experience. - Original Message - From: Cliff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So where's the Shiva Lingam.. I've heard from a very reliable source that "they all fit"... :-)--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote:> >> In a message dated 7/31/05 4:20:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:>> >> A square lingam. Kinky. First goats, now this. What next? :-)> > Only Vedic City could fit a square Lingam in a round yoni To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appreciation of 'appreciation'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sounds to me like impotence and approaching old age. > > The latter is possible, but the former was proved untrue > later the same evening. :-) > There may be snow on the roof, but there's "fire in the furnace". lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The closer I get to a delighted, "I don't know" > > regarding the TMO and MMY's behavior the easier my > > life becomes. Who really knows what all this nonsense > > is. Our endless speculation reveals nothing other than > > more craziness giving rise to even more rounds of > > speculation. All I know is that the effect it has on > > me is to let go of any expectation regarding the > > TMO/MMY. I can't really psychologically invest in it > > anymore. How could you and remain sane? The psychological investment becomes overwhelming, and yes, crazy. > That's very much what I've been thinking as I read > this latest batch of posts. > > But it almost seems to be swinging in the opposite > direction, as if there's more and more psychological > investment *against* MMY and the TMO, as if people > *want* it all to be a fraud and a failure. The ego can't survive without a story, even if it is a negative one. > But maybe that needs to happen before present > negative expectations can completely dissolve > past positive expectations and the pendulum comes > to rest at "I don't know." Yes! "I don't know" is a much bigger world, a much larger Self. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
> He takes the Movement VERY SERIOUSLY (make this > bold, red, > about 124 point and underlined in addition to > capitalized, If you're ever interested, you can do graphics like that by switching from plain text to HTML mode. You would select "Mail Options" on the top right, then "General Preferences" and check "Compose messages as color and graphics". --- Cliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless Paul has radically changed over the years > (and I agree, some > people do), he would be incapable of anything other > than the > profoundest sincerity in any official utterances he > made on > behalf of the Movement. > > He takes the Movement VERY SERIOUSLY (make this > bold, red, > about 124 point and underlined in addition to > capitalized, and > you'll have the faintest glimpse of just how > seriuosly...). Sweet > guy, mediocre musician (IMO), incapable of irony. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Yes, I'm sure that's Richie of Richie and Linda > Quinn, who were > > > in Washington DC for much of the 1980s and then > in Asbury Park > > > for a few years. He always struck me as very > sincere and devoted, > > > although being described as a "great adventurer" > is probably > > > due to Paul Potter's likely aversion to pretty > much anything > > > physical. > > > > Yes, Richie's a sweetie pie, very entertaining > > ranconteur. Perhaps not the most effective > > hotel manager, though... > > > > I don't know Paul Potter. You *sure* he didn't > > have his tongue in his cheek? Because "it doesn't > > matter who does it" sounds like a little dig, as > > if the whole thing were intended to make Richie > > laugh. Something about "the principle that came > > out day before yesterday" is just slightly > > twisted as well. > > > > > I also got a good chuckle from the description > of Paul's realm. I > > > wonder if the countries were plucked out of a > hat and distributed > > > randomly, or whether some "cosmic plan" will be > seen (later, of > > > course) to have put the "perfect combination' at > the feet of said > > > Rajas... :-) > > > > Heaven only knows. Maybe taking on the others was > > the condition of getting the plum of New York, one > > great big one and a lot of pesky little ones? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "benjaminccollins" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In the announcement there is this little > gem: > > > > > > > > > > << acquired for the > > > > > purpose of building Peace Palaces. Much of > this land, Raja > > Potter > > > > > said, was discovered by the great explorer > Richard Quinn, who > > > > > embodies so completely the principle that > came out the day > > before > > > > > yesterday that it doesn't matter who does > it, it only matters > > that > > > > > it gets done, and also the principle 'I will > do it > > immediately.' >>> > > > > > > > > > > The GREAT EXPLORER Richard Quinn > Discovered I think > > this > > > > > qualifies for a WhatTheF***! The land is > just north of NYC. > > > > > > > > It's awfully hard not to read this as > tongue-in-cheek. > > > > > > > > (Would that be, BTW, the Richie Quinn who > managed the > > > > TM-owned hotel in Asbury Park, NJ, for a few > years > > > > back in the '90s?) > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > "Raja Paul Potter, the Raja of New York, > whose other areas of > > > > > > responsibility around the world include > Austria, The > > Netherlands > > > > > > Antilles, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay, > Gambia, and the > > Republic of > > > > > > Congo > > > > > > > > I mean, this is funny enough. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless Paul has radically changed over the years (and I agree, some > people do), he would be incapable of anything other than the > profoundest sincerity in any official utterances he made on > behalf of the Movement. > > He takes the Movement VERY SERIOUSLY (make this bold, red, > about 124 point and underlined in addition to capitalized, and > you'll have the faintest glimpse of just how seriuosly...). Sweet > guy, mediocre musician (IMO), incapable of irony. OK. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Yes, I'm sure that's Richie of Richie and Linda Quinn, who were > > > in Washington DC for much of the 1980s and then in Asbury Park > > > for a few years. He always struck me as very sincere and devoted, > > > although being described as a "great adventurer" is probably > > > due to Paul Potter's likely aversion to pretty much anything > > > physical. > > > > Yes, Richie's a sweetie pie, very entertaining > > ranconteur. Perhaps not the most effective > > hotel manager, though... > > > > I don't know Paul Potter. You *sure* he didn't > > have his tongue in his cheek? Because "it doesn't > > matter who does it" sounds like a little dig, as > > if the whole thing were intended to make Richie > > laugh. Something about "the principle that came > > out day before yesterday" is just slightly > > twisted as well. > > > > > I also got a good chuckle from the description of Paul's realm. I > > > wonder if the countries were plucked out of a hat and distributed > > > randomly, or whether some "cosmic plan" will be seen (later, of > > > course) to have put the "perfect combination' at the feet of said > > > Rajas... :-) > > > > Heaven only knows. Maybe taking on the others was > > the condition of getting the plum of New York, one > > great big one and a lot of pesky little ones? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In the announcement there is this little gem: > > > > > > > > > > << > > > > purpose of building Peace Palaces. Much of this land, Raja > > Potter > > > > > said, was discovered by the great explorer Richard Quinn, who > > > > > embodies so completely the principle that came out the day > > before > > > > > yesterday that it doesn't matter who does it, it only matters > > that > > > > > it gets done, and also the principle 'I will do it > > immediately.' >>> > > > > > > > > > > The GREAT EXPLORER Richard Quinn Discovered I think > > this > > > > > qualifies for a WhatTheF***! The land is just north of NYC. > > > > > > > > It's awfully hard not to read this as tongue-in-cheek. > > > > > > > > (Would that be, BTW, the Richie Quinn who managed the > > > > TM-owned hotel in Asbury Park, NJ, for a few years > > > > back in the '90s?) > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > "Raja Paul Potter, the Raja of New York, whose other areas of > > > > > > responsibility around the world include Austria, The > > Netherlands > > > > > > Antilles, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay, Gambia, and the > > Republic of > > > > > > Congo > > > > > > > > I mean, this is funny enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
Unthinking, unquestioning loyalty is something Maharishi appreciates. It's also very useful for the administrators like Bevan and Neil to have someone around who will simply do whatever, whenever, without a backward glance. Paul at least used to fit that criteria quite well. It was always odd trying to talk to him - takes a personality for me to be able to interact with someone, I guess. I sometimes envied him his seeming total innocence because he would enthusiastically embrace whatever latest pronounce- ment came, even when I thought it was borderline nutso (or over-the- border nutso). The full page ads showering adulation on Marcos and "Queen of the Age of Enlightenment" Imelda were one example that stands out vividly in my mind. I was horrified when I came down to breakfast in Manila that morning and saw this, but many of the couples thought it was "just the most wonderful thing" they'd ever seen. As for Susie - I never knew her before she and Paul were married, so I cannot comment. She was so far in the background of Paul whenever I was around that no personality was present. That may be more a comment on her reaction to me than on her reality, but I'll never know. Working for 2 years in MIU-CNL from 1983-1985 was a fascinating education for me in how the TMO can distort relationships among couples. Sad, in most cases... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I cannot figure out how Paul Potter got to be in the position he > occupies in the TM org. He has nearly no personality at all when he > speaks and if you try to talk to him in person he is markedly absent. > > Does anyone know if he and Susie Raymond are still married? She used > to be one of the greatest people, she was an absolute riot to know, > funny as heck and then she got married to Paul and eventually seemed > to completely lose any connection to anything remotely resembling a > personality. It was such a shame. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Yes, I'm sure that's Richie of Richie and Linda Quinn, who were > > > in Washington DC for much of the 1980s and then in Asbury Park > > > for a few years. He always struck me as very sincere and devoted, > > > although being described as a "great adventurer" is probably > > > due to Paul Potter's likely aversion to pretty much anything > > > physical. > > > > Yes, Richie's a sweetie pie, very entertaining > > ranconteur. Perhaps not the most effective > > hotel manager, though... > > > > I don't know Paul Potter. You *sure* he didn't > > have his tongue in his cheek? Because "it doesn't > > matter who does it" sounds like a little dig, as > > if the whole thing were intended to make Richie > > laugh. Something about "the principle that came > > out day before yesterday" is just slightly > > twisted as well. > > > > > I also got a good chuckle from the description of Paul's realm. I > > > wonder if the countries were plucked out of a hat and distributed > > > randomly, or whether some "cosmic plan" will be seen (later, of > > > course) to have put the "perfect combination' at the feet of said > > > Rajas... :-) > > > > Heaven only knows. Maybe taking on the others was > > the condition of getting the plum of New York, one > > great big one and a lot of pesky little ones? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In the announcement there is this little gem: > > > > > > > > > > << > > > > purpose of building Peace Palaces. Much of this land, Raja > > Potter > > > > > said, was discovered by the great explorer Richard Quinn, who > > > > > embodies so completely the principle that came out the day > > before > > > > > yesterday that it doesn't matter who does it, it only matters > > that > > > > > it gets done, and also the principle 'I will do it > > immediately.' >>> > > > > > > > > > > The GREAT EXPLORER Richard Quinn Discovered I think > > this > > > > > qualifies for a WhatTheF***! The land is just north of NYC. > > > > > > > > It's awfully hard not to read this as tongue-in-cheek. > > > > > > > > (Would that be, BTW, the Richie Quinn who managed the > > > > TM-owned hotel in Asbury Park, NJ, for a few years > > > > back in the '90s?) > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > "Raja Paul Potter, the Raja of New York, whose other areas of > > > > > > responsibility around the world include Austria, The > > Netherlands > > > > > > Antilles, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay, Gambia, and the > > Republic of > > > > > > Congo > > > > > > > > I mean, this is funny enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTEC
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
Unless Paul has radically changed over the years (and I agree, some people do), he would be incapable of anything other than the profoundest sincerity in any official utterances he made on behalf of the Movement. He takes the Movement VERY SERIOUSLY (make this bold, red, about 124 point and underlined in addition to capitalized, and you'll have the faintest glimpse of just how seriuosly...). Sweet guy, mediocre musician (IMO), incapable of irony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Yes, I'm sure that's Richie of Richie and Linda Quinn, who were > > in Washington DC for much of the 1980s and then in Asbury Park > > for a few years. He always struck me as very sincere and devoted, > > although being described as a "great adventurer" is probably > > due to Paul Potter's likely aversion to pretty much anything > > physical. > > Yes, Richie's a sweetie pie, very entertaining > ranconteur. Perhaps not the most effective > hotel manager, though... > > I don't know Paul Potter. You *sure* he didn't > have his tongue in his cheek? Because "it doesn't > matter who does it" sounds like a little dig, as > if the whole thing were intended to make Richie > laugh. Something about "the principle that came > out day before yesterday" is just slightly > twisted as well. > > > I also got a good chuckle from the description of Paul's realm. I > > wonder if the countries were plucked out of a hat and distributed > > randomly, or whether some "cosmic plan" will be seen (later, of > > course) to have put the "perfect combination' at the feet of said > > Rajas... :-) > > Heaven only knows. Maybe taking on the others was > the condition of getting the plum of New York, one > great big one and a lot of pesky little ones? > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > In the announcement there is this little gem: > > > > > > > > << > > > purpose of building Peace Palaces. Much of this land, Raja > Potter > > > > said, was discovered by the great explorer Richard Quinn, who > > > > embodies so completely the principle that came out the day > before > > > > yesterday that it doesn't matter who does it, it only matters > that > > > > it gets done, and also the principle 'I will do it > immediately.' >>> > > > > > > > > The GREAT EXPLORER Richard Quinn Discovered I think > this > > > > qualifies for a WhatTheF***! The land is just north of NYC. > > > > > > It's awfully hard not to read this as tongue-in-cheek. > > > > > > (Would that be, BTW, the Richie Quinn who managed the > > > TM-owned hotel in Asbury Park, NJ, for a few years > > > back in the '90s?) > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > "Raja Paul Potter, the Raja of New York, whose other areas of > > > > > responsibility around the world include Austria, The > Netherlands > > > > > Antilles, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay, Gambia, and the > Republic of > > > > > Congo > > > > > > I mean, this is funny enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
I cannot figure out how Paul Potter got to be in the position he occupies in the TM org. He has nearly no personality at all when he speaks and if you try to talk to him in person he is markedly absent. Does anyone know if he and Susie Raymond are still married? She used to be one of the greatest people, she was an absolute riot to know, funny as heck and then she got married to Paul and eventually seemed to completely lose any connection to anything remotely resembling a personality. It was such a shame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Yes, I'm sure that's Richie of Richie and Linda Quinn, who were > > in Washington DC for much of the 1980s and then in Asbury Park > > for a few years. He always struck me as very sincere and devoted, > > although being described as a "great adventurer" is probably > > due to Paul Potter's likely aversion to pretty much anything > > physical. > > Yes, Richie's a sweetie pie, very entertaining > ranconteur. Perhaps not the most effective > hotel manager, though... > > I don't know Paul Potter. You *sure* he didn't > have his tongue in his cheek? Because "it doesn't > matter who does it" sounds like a little dig, as > if the whole thing were intended to make Richie > laugh. Something about "the principle that came > out day before yesterday" is just slightly > twisted as well. > > > I also got a good chuckle from the description of Paul's realm. I > > wonder if the countries were plucked out of a hat and distributed > > randomly, or whether some "cosmic plan" will be seen (later, of > > course) to have put the "perfect combination' at the feet of said > > Rajas... :-) > > Heaven only knows. Maybe taking on the others was > the condition of getting the plum of New York, one > great big one and a lot of pesky little ones? > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > In the announcement there is this little gem: > > > > > > > > << > > > purpose of building Peace Palaces. Much of this land, Raja > Potter > > > > said, was discovered by the great explorer Richard Quinn, who > > > > embodies so completely the principle that came out the day > before > > > > yesterday that it doesn't matter who does it, it only matters > that > > > > it gets done, and also the principle 'I will do it > immediately.' >>> > > > > > > > > The GREAT EXPLORER Richard Quinn Discovered I think > this > > > > qualifies for a WhatTheF***! The land is just north of NYC. > > > > > > It's awfully hard not to read this as tongue-in-cheek. > > > > > > (Would that be, BTW, the Richie Quinn who managed the > > > TM-owned hotel in Asbury Park, NJ, for a few years > > > back in the '90s?) > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > "Raja Paul Potter, the Raja of New York, whose other areas of > > > > > responsibility around the world include Austria, The > Netherlands > > > > > Antilles, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay, Gambia, and the > Republic of > > > > > Congo > > > > > > I mean, this is funny enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > What if... > > > > What if the subconscious purpose of all the latest > > TMO > > activities was, in fact, to shrink the organization > > down > > to a nucleus of True Believers who hope to never > > have > > to work another day in their lives after Maharishi > > dies? > > > > This would be completely consistent with the actions > > of the TMO in the last few years, especially the > > last few > > months. > > The closer I get to a delighted, "I don't know" > regarding the TMO and MMY's behavior the easier my > life becomes. Who really knows what all this nonsense > is. Our endless speculation reveals nothing other than > more craziness giving rise to even more rounds of > speculation. All I know is that the effect it has on > me is to let go of any expectation regarding the > TMO/MMY. I can't really psychologically invest in it > anymore. How could you and remain sane? I'm convinced it's all a test by MMY AGAINST the current idiots running the TMO. For years MMY said that TM was not a religion or a philosophy. Implicit in that statement is a negation -- as far as the TM technique goes -- of any guru-disciple relationship. And as far as the TMO goes -- to be distinguished from the TM technique -- he always said he didn't have "followers". Yet despite these declarations on his part, those around him insisted upon the guru-disciple relationship and created a cult culture around MMY. Maybe MMY is just fed up and is bringing what those around him insisted upon foising upon him to its sad, logical conclusion: kings, rajas, peanut butter and shampoos and candy bars and herb mixtures with his name on it, political parties, etc. Maybe all this insanity -- and that is precisely what any rational person would have to conclude it is -- is his way of saying: "isn't there ANYONE out there that listened to what I've been saying all these years? Won't someone have the courage of their convictions and call me on this and put a stop to all this nonsense?" I cannot come up with any other hypothesis for all this silliness... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > But it almost seems to be swinging in the opposite > direction, as if there's more and more psychological > investment *against* MMY and the TMO, as if people > *want* it all to be a fraud and a failure. snip As alluded to, many of us invested time, money, energy, goodwill, "our youth" type thing in the TMO. What we've seen in the last 12 -15 years or so has left us a little disillusioned. In many cases we have regrouped and moved on. Our involvement has made an impression we will never get over in this lifetime, and that is a good thing because it helped catapult us onto the spiritual path. But we have gone "beyond the pale", and we see things in a different way, and we can't really help having a little fun poking fun at the whole thing. It's good therapy. lurk > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Lazy Sunday Afternoon
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I'm sure that's Richie of Richie and Linda Quinn, who were > in Washington DC for much of the 1980s and then in Asbury Park > for a few years. He always struck me as very sincere and devoted, > although being described as a "great adventurer" is probably > due to Paul Potter's likely aversion to pretty much anything > physical. Yes, Richie's a sweetie pie, very entertaining ranconteur. Perhaps not the most effective hotel manager, though... I don't know Paul Potter. You *sure* he didn't have his tongue in his cheek? Because "it doesn't matter who does it" sounds like a little dig, as if the whole thing were intended to make Richie laugh. Something about "the principle that came out day before yesterday" is just slightly twisted as well. > I also got a good chuckle from the description of Paul's realm. I > wonder if the countries were plucked out of a hat and distributed > randomly, or whether some "cosmic plan" will be seen (later, of > course) to have put the "perfect combination' at the feet of said > Rajas... :-) Heaven only knows. Maybe taking on the others was the condition of getting the plum of New York, one great big one and a lot of pesky little ones? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > In the announcement there is this little gem: > > > > > > << > > purpose of building Peace Palaces. Much of this land, Raja Potter > > > said, was discovered by the great explorer Richard Quinn, who > > > embodies so completely the principle that came out the day before > > > yesterday that it doesn't matter who does it, it only matters that > > > it gets done, and also the principle 'I will do it immediately.' >>> > > > > > > The GREAT EXPLORER Richard Quinn Discovered I think this > > > qualifies for a WhatTheF***! The land is just north of NYC. > > > > It's awfully hard not to read this as tongue-in-cheek. > > > > (Would that be, BTW, the Richie Quinn who managed the > > TM-owned hotel in Asbury Park, NJ, for a few years > > back in the '90s?) > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > "Raja Paul Potter, the Raja of New York, whose other areas of > > > > responsibility around the world include Austria, The Netherlands > > > > Antilles, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay, Gambia, and the Republic of > > > > Congo > > > > I mean, this is funny enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
Yes, I'm sure that's Richie of Richie and Linda Quinn, who were in Washington DC for much of the 1980s and then in Asbury Park for a few years. He always struck me as very sincere and devoted, although being described as a "great adventurer" is probably due to Paul Potter's likely aversion to pretty much anything physical. I also got a good chuckle from the description of Paul's realm. I wonder if the countries were plucked out of a hat and distributed randomly, or whether some "cosmic plan" will be seen (later, of course) to have put the "perfect combination' at the feet of said Rajas... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In the announcement there is this little gem: > > > > << > purpose of building Peace Palaces. Much of this land, Raja Potter > > said, was discovered by the great explorer Richard Quinn, who > > embodies so completely the principle that came out the day before > > yesterday that it doesn't matter who does it, it only matters that > > it gets done, and also the principle 'I will do it immediately.' >>> > > > > The GREAT EXPLORER Richard Quinn Discovered I think this > > qualifies for a WhatTheF***! The land is just north of NYC. > > It's awfully hard not to read this as tongue-in-cheek. > > (Would that be, BTW, the Richie Quinn who managed the > TM-owned hotel in Asbury Park, NJ, for a few years > back in the '90s?) > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > "Raja Paul Potter, the Raja of New York, whose other areas of > > > responsibility around the world include Austria, The Netherlands > > > Antilles, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay, Gambia, and the Republic of > > > Congo > > I mean, this is funny enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: So where's the Shiva Lingam..
I've heard from a very reliable source that "they all fit"... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> In a message dated 7/31/05 4:20:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> A square lingam. Kinky. First goats, now this. What next? :-) > > Only Vedic City could fit a square Lingam in a round yoni To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the announcement there is this little gem: > > << purpose of building Peace Palaces. Much of this land, Raja Potter > said, was discovered by the great explorer Richard Quinn, who > embodies so completely the principle that came out the day before > yesterday that it doesn't matter who does it, it only matters that > it gets done, and also the principle 'I will do it immediately.' >>> > > The GREAT EXPLORER Richard Quinn Discovered I think this > qualifies for a WhatTheF***! The land is just north of NYC. It's awfully hard not to read this as tongue-in-cheek. (Would that be, BTW, the Richie Quinn who managed the TM-owned hotel in Asbury Park, NJ, for a few years back in the '90s?) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Raja Paul Potter, the Raja of New York, whose other areas of > > responsibility around the world include Austria, The Netherlands > > Antilles, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay, Gambia, and the Republic of > > Congo I mean, this is funny enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fee now $3,000
I would like to see a few weekend residence courses included for the price. That's what really got me interested. Stan Crowe taught a residence course in Michigan in spring 1972, and after doing 15 rounds on Saturday, I signed up for Humboldt SCI and then TTC. Probably wasnt' supposed to do 15 rounds on the first day of my first residence course, but I've never really been one for moderation in pretty much anything... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/31/05 10:05:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I do know one thing, if you paid 3 grand > to learn TM you'd certainly continue to practice it! > > > > Or chalk it up to being one of those "suckers" born every minute. Not > everybody has good or great experiences when they first start. I have heard > people > ranting that they could get more relaxation by sitting by the pool with > cucumber slices over their eyes, as they stormed out of the center on their > initiation day. The reason I continued is I just happened to have a clear > experience of no mantra no thought and liked it on day two. I thought if > that much is > true then there must be something to the rest of it. People tend to be > skeptical of such promises that the TMO makes and if they don't see > immediate > results of some kind it's very easy for anybody to think they've been had. I > would rather see the TMO charge little or nothing to learn TM and then make > it up > on advanced techniques once people have had an opportunity to see and know > the value of transcending. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fee now $3,000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Amma gave out plenty of mantras on her recent US tour. > They're free. Yeah, but each hug is $47,000... > > --- dhamiltony2k5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Talking w/ recerts out in the malls working to bring > > initiates and > > palaces into the TMO, the course fee for TM is > > raised now to $3,000. > > They are saying there is not really any teaching > > going on. Some of > > them out in California were told that they 'might' > > get a check this > > month for their work but don't expect one next month > > or look for any > > after that. Not really any teaching going on? > > > > -Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re :Why is MMY in a hurry.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -OriginalMessage-- > From: "wmurphy77" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:53:44 - > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why is MMY in a hurry. > > I know he has stated he was in the past, but has never said why? > > Isn't anything worthwhile, worth waiting for? Don't quality longlasting institutions take hundreds of years to be established, most Religions have histories of thousands of years to get to the level ofacceptance they have today! BillyG. > > * > > Hari Om, > The coming of industrial-revolution and mass- communication technologies as made it much easier of modern day organisations to take root. > > The future World religion will not have any name. It will be simply called spiritualism or Yoga. > > It probably will be an integrated religion where teachings from wide range of sources will be taken. > > Jason Agreed Jason-Perhaps neo-Hinduism will have its day, but ultimately the Hindu metaphor's will be replaced with more universally accepted symbols incorporating all races, NOT JUST HINDU! BillyG. BTWShiva ain't Hindu, or any one form! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reac
On Jul 31, 2005, at 4:51 PM, cardemaister wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:40 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis > wrote: >>> This is the only sutra in Patanjali that says that Enlightenment is the result of doing this sutra. Very clever. > Sutra This also explains what happens to the intellect. >> >> Old Notes from my Patanjali Guru -V. >> >> Eventually rajas and tamas and cleansed from the mind. When the > Buddhi >> becomes as purified as gold, it then rests and stays in its own > nature, >> experience changes. > > Well, yes, indeed: > > tat puruSasya kaivalyaM, tadaa puruSaH > *sva-ruupa-maatra-jyotir-amalaH* kevalii bhavati! > > -- shriimad-vyaasa-bhaaSya Pure samprajnata "cognitive" samadhi trip dude (dudette?). Then comes dharma-megha, that 'raincloud of virtue'. sometimes rain's a good thang. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja of the Congo speaks -AND The great explorer
In the announcement there is this little gem: <<>> The GREAT EXPLORER Richard Quinn Discovered I think this qualifies for a WhatTheF***! The land is just north of NYC. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Raja Paul Potter, the Raja of New York, whose other areas of > responsibility around the world include Austria, The Netherlands > Antilles, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay, Gambia, and the Republic of > Congo was one of the speakers. Following is a paraphrase of his talk." > > http://tinyurl.com/cu6oq To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So where's the Shiva Lingam..
In a message dated 7/31/05 4:20:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A square lingam. Kinky. First goats, now this. What next? :-) Only Vedic City could fit a square Lingam in a round yoni To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reac
Excactly!! Thats exactly my experience. What he said. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Eventually rajas and tamas and cleansed from the mind. When the Buddhi > becomes as purified as gold, it then rests and stays in its own nature, > experience changes. This should not be confused with the spiritual self > dwelling in its own nature. > > Once buddhi dwells in its own nature, it is no longer being imprinted > by the senses and their objects. It acts independently of them. This is > not the end of buddhi's function though--it still has to "awaken". Some > will confuse this with final awakening. What awakens in buddhi is > "vivkeka-khyati"--discrimination of the distinction between Buddhi and > Purusha. The person no longer feels limited since they are no longer > relying on external objects for fullfillment--instead they now > experience the Spiritual Self as "illuminator". Identification with the > senses, mind and body ceases. > > Vyasa states that this experience does not occur in the first two > stages of samprajnata samadhi which are related to discursive and > subtle thought. Only from the third stage and after does this > discrimination occur. > > The VB [Vyasa-bhasya comment. on the YS] points out that viveka-khyati > illuminates all the virtues and the knowledge and nature of all things. > It is not a spiritual entity but a *quality* of Buddhi. Because it > embraces the totality of Buddhi it carries with it a sense of fullness. > It illuminates experience. > > This is not self-realization. Beyond this the virtues dawn and one > attains complete cessation [nirodha] in samadhi. This is still not the > 'self > dwelling in the self'. > > In the big picture, viveka-khyati is just as undesirable as the states > which preceded it despite it's sense of greater freedom and > fullness/totality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: So where's the Shiva Lingam..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All the other Hindu metaphors seem to be prevalent/relevant, why not > the Shiva Lingam. I can see one right now in the middle of Vedic City, a > sort of town square! A square lingam. Kinky. First goats, now this. What next? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Expectations (What is Desire, without expectation)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In enlightenment, one is already fulfilled or has the goal of any > desire fulfilled in one's being. The Self is Realized as the soul or > Atma, no longer bound by the ego, or mind created small self. > So, the real question becomes, how is desire different in > Enlightenment and ignorance. Well said. That does seem to be one of the lingering questions and fascinations. *Not* how is desire "better" or "dfifferent in an evolved way" than before, just how is it different, period. > There is no small self to limit or define, what any particular > expectation even is, rather the process of creating and clearing the > way for, and eliminating that which blocks creativity, is the > guiding force of all action in enlightenment. In my experience, creativity is one of the things that continues to fascinate. There seem to be no limitations to one's creativity, only to expressing or appreciating it. The less self "in the way," the fewer blocks to creativity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re :Why is MMY in a hurry.....
-OriginalMessage-- From: "wmurphy77" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:53:44 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why is MMY in a hurry. I know he has stated he was in the past, but has never said why? Isn't anything worthwhile, worth waiting for? Don't quality longlasting institutions take hundreds of years to be established, most Religions have histories of thousands of years to get to the level ofacceptance they have today! BillyG. * Hari Om, The coming of industrial-revolution and mass-communication technologies as made it much easier of modern day organisations to take root. The future World religion will not have any name. It will be simply called spiritualism or Yoga. It probably will be an integrated religion where teachings from wide range of sources will be taken. Jason Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reac
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:40 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: > > > >> This is the only sutra in Patanjali that says that > >> Enlightenment is the result of doing this sutra. Very clever. Sutra > >> This also explains what happens to the intellect. > > Old Notes from my Patanjali Guru -V. > > Eventually rajas and tamas and cleansed from the mind. When the Buddhi > becomes as purified as gold, it then rests and stays in its own nature, > experience changes. Well, yes, indeed: tat puruSasya kaivalyaM, tadaa puruSaH *sva-ruupa-maatra-jyotir-amalaH* kevalii bhavati! -- shriimad-vyaasa-bhaaSya To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] So where's the Shiva Lingam..
All the other Hindu metaphors seem to be prevalent/relevant, why not the Shiva Lingam. I can see one right now in the middle of Vedic City, a sort of town square! BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reac
> On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:40 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: > >> This is the only sutra in Patanjali that says that >> Enlightenment is the result of doing this sutra. Very clever. Sutra >> This also explains what happens to the intellect. Old Notes from my Patanjali Guru -V. Eventually rajas and tamas and cleansed from the mind. When the Buddhi becomes as purified as gold, it then rests and stays in its own nature, experience changes. This should not be confused with the spiritual self dwelling in its own nature. Once buddhi dwells in its own nature, it is no longer being imprinted by the senses and their objects. It acts independently of them. This is not the end of buddhi's function though--it still has to "awaken". Some will confuse this with final awakening. What awakens in buddhi is "vivkeka-khyati"--discrimination of the distinction between Buddhi and Purusha. The person no longer feels limited since they are no longer relying on external objects for fullfillment--instead they now experience the Spiritual Self as "illuminator". Identification with the senses, mind and body ceases. Vyasa states that this experience does not occur in the first two stages of samprajnata samadhi which are related to discursive and subtle thought. Only from the third stage and after does this discrimination occur. The VB [Vyasa-bhasya comment. on the YS] points out that viveka-khyati illuminates all the virtues and the knowledge and nature of all things. It is not a spiritual entity but a *quality* of Buddhi. Because it embraces the totality of Buddhi it carries with it a sense of fullness. It illuminates experience. This is not self-realization. Beyond this the virtues dawn and one attains complete cessation [nirodha] in samadhi. This is still not the 'self dwelling in the self'. In the big picture, viveka-khyati is just as undesirable as the states which preceded it despite it's sense of greater freedom and fullness/totality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
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[FairfieldLife] The Rivalry for Jyotir Math
Title: The Rivalry for Jyotir Math The Rivalry for Jyotir Math by Dana Sawyer 2001 High in the Garhwal Himalayas, near the border with Tibet, lies the sacred Hindu temple of Badrinath, one of the most important pilgrimage destinations in the Uttarkand, the “northern portion.” Each year, tens of thousands of pilgrims journey from the plains to worship Lord Badri, a form of Visnu in the shadow of the snow capped peaks. Tradition says that this temple was re-established (after having been desecrated by Buddhists) by Sankara himself, who retrieved the sacred murti of Badri from the Alakananda river just below the temple. Hagiographical accounts of Sankara’s life also tell us that he then established one of his four primaryvidyapiths near there, and called it the Jyotir (“Radiant”) Math, installing one of his favorite disciples, Totaka, on its gaddi. Today, the Jyotir Mathvidyapith is located at Joshi, a small village 40 kms. south of Badrinath and the take-off point for tourist treks into the Nanda Devi Sanctuary. The history of the math is murky, having more to do with legend than fact, in part due to the circumstance that the math was closed, by all accounts, for more than a century and a half, and only reinstated in the middle of this century. Traditional accounts, kept by the present claimants for the abbottship, tell us that the last Sankaracarya before the lapse was Swami Ramakrsna Asrama, who presided there until 1833. (*footnote: Vidyasankar Sundaresan, at the Jyot-Shank web site, gives the Dasnami name as “Tirtha” and says he has this from “official accounts,” but all accounts I’ve seen, e.g., Jyotispith-Parampara, Ek Anusilan , p.3, from Swami Svarupananda’s press in Banaras, 1996, give it as “Asrama”) For various reasons, the math became vacant. Some say there was no properly qualified person to follow Swami Ramakrisna; others say that the Gurkha invasion from Nepal caused the lapse. Whatever the facts might be, it is only in the late 1930s that the story becomes clear. At that time, a Dandi swami from Banaras named Gyanananda Saraswati established a trust for the Jyotir Math, overseen by his organization, the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal, and began a search for a Dandi qualified to head the post, not wanting the position himself. After a reconaissance mission to locate the site of the original math, which had become obscured over time, Gyanananda became satisfied that he had found the ruins of it on a hillside above Joshi, and on Aprl 11, 1941 the particluar spot was secured by deed and endowment. In the meantime, Gyanananda, the Mahamandal, and members of the Kashi Vidvat Parisad had decided to ask Swami Hariharananda Saraswati (popularly known as Karpatri Swamiji), a popular and powerful Dandi (*footnote: in fact, the most influential Dandi in India at the time, e.g., see Tripathi, pp.64 and 224), to accept the post. Karpatri, however, had, the year before, begun an organization called Dharma Sangh to fight for Hindu principles and so, being busy with other matters, he declined. However, before declining he offered his help in selecting a suitable candidate and recommended his own guru, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (later to become famous in the West as the guru of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, once guru to the Beatles and Mia Farrow). Given the influence of Karpatri, and the quickly acknowledged suitability of the candidate, Brahmananda was duly installed as Sankaracarya of Jyotir Math that same year. After Brahmananda Brahmananda, well respected by all, presided over the math until his death on May 20, 1953. Immediately after his death a succession dispute arose. Unfortunately, before his death, he had not made clear who should follow him on the gaddi. Some of his followers came forward with a will, saying that Brahmananda had made it just before his death. This will, published on June 8, 1953, stated that Brahmananda had actually nominated four persons as qualified for the position, and named them in order of preference, as: (1) Swami Santananda Saraswati, (2) Dwarka Pasad Sastri (who would first have to take diksa as an ascetic to become qualified), (3) Swami Visnudevananda Saraswati, and (4) Swami Paramatmananda Saraswati. In line with this will, the first respondent, who was installed on June 12, 1953 as head of the math, came into possession of the math properties and applied for a certificate of succession in the district court at Allahabad. This was eventually granted on Dec. 12, 1956 - that is, three years later. But this did not settle the dispute. Three allegations continued to be aimed by various parties at the acarya and his supporters: (1) Questions regarding the authenicity of the will arose, for instance, why hadn’t Brahmananda published the will while he was still alive? Why hadn’t he made clear then who he wanted to follow him? Some believed the will to be a forgery, and sited that Me
[FairfieldLife] Re: Expectations (What is Desire, without expectation)?
---Before enlightenment, we experience ourselves as the ego, or the "limited self" or the "small self. So, that which is desiring is desiring from the ego. As long as one remains in the ego, it is a constant battle to preclude any desire that would not be attatched to expectation. It's almost like the only part of the brain that is developed is the linear part, that can only see, a very minute space and time, and can only percieve how things, "come into being" by logical steps; as if the part of the brain which sees things synthesized or whole is not integrated into brain function. (This integrated brain function/left/right hemisphere correlation and balancing of the hemesheres, that produces enlightenment and witnessing can be enhanced by holosync technology; from my experience, and some of my friends, enhancing the TM experience and advanced techniques; see: centerpointe.com). In enlightenment, one is already fulfilled or has the goal of any desire fulfilled in one's being. The Self is Realized as the soul or Atma, no longer bound by the ego, or mind created small self. So, the real question becomes, how is desire different in Enlightenment and ignorance. So, desire in ignorance is based on ego gratification, on some level or another. Desire in enlightenment is to further advance the "Will of God", meaning as one identifies no longer with the ego, or small mind created, space/time defined values; but instead begins to experience one's self as the essence of the creative source of the universe, and that one is compelled to "Co- Create with the Divine source to further Divinity. There is no small self to limit or define, what any particular expectation even is, rather the process of creating and clearing the way for, and eliminating that which blocks creativity, is the guiding force of all action in enlightenment. One is no longer attatched to any result ultimately, if one is already established in the fulfillment of all expectations, to experience and live in the inner bliss, which is expressed and reflected in all of the creation,and in which we furthter expand the bliss, by extending our nature, kind of like a catch-22; you have enlightened action, without expectation, not when you can give up desire, but when you desire from an enlighened state, where all your desires are already ultimately fulfilled; as you experience your essential self as Bliss. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > There are expectations that invoke anger and there > > > are expectations that invoke temporary satisfaction. > > > From the point of view of Buddhist thought, both are > > > equally binding, and both are equally premeditated. > > > > Just to clarify, even the expectations that "work out" > > and bring about a temporary sense of satisfaction > > are binding, because the happiness, being relative > > and based on relative phenomena, cannot last. And > > when it doesn't last, one gets angry and frustrated. > > > > In the Buddhist paradigm, the only way to break the > > cycle is to get beyond expectation. Some have inter- > > preted this teaching as needing to get beyond desire, > > but I don't agree with that interpretation. Desire is > > always going to be present. What does not need to > > be present is attachment to the fruits of desire or > > aversion to the desire not being fulfilled. In other > > words, the aspect of the equation that is in our control > > is expectation. If you're working with the handicap of > > expectations, you are by definition (according to this > > theory) setting yourself up for a fall, locking yourself > > into the attraction/aversion desire cycle, the wheel > > of karma. > > > > What is a desire without expectation? > > It seems, at best, to be a eunuch desire. Or a paraplaegic desire. > > If there is no expectation, then there is no link between an impulse > towards action and its result. Desires in that context appear empty, > phantom, vacuous. > > I am not questioning the beauty of letting go of expectations -- and > all of its offspring such as judgements. (How can you judge a person > if you have no expectations of their behavior?) > > I don't see how desires exist (or last very long) without > expectations. Without expectation, what remains are impulses towards > activity. "Do that which ought to be done" captures part of that mode > but can imply a moral authority. Its more "Do that which ought to be > done -- the 'ought' not being dictated by some moral authority or > code, but from rational analysis, common sense and sometimes intuition." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*>
[FairfieldLife] Raja of the Congo speaks
"Raja Paul Potter, the Raja of New York, whose other areas of responsibility around the world include Austria, The Netherlands Antilles, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay, Gambia, and the Republic of Congo was one of the speakers. Following is a paraphrase of his talk." http://tinyurl.com/cu6oq To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appreciation of 'appreciation'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to write and thank Tom (I think) for the recent post > in which he suggested that at a certain point in one's evol- > ution it was possibly more accurate to think of desires as > 'appreciation' than it was to think of them as desires. > I got a real taste of that yesterday. > > I drove to Sommieres, a bigger town near the one I'm living > in, because they have a market on Saturday mornings and > there is a cafe there where I love to sit and watch the world > go by. After all, I am on record as believing that the sidewalk > cafe is the pinnacle of Western civilization, and I just wanted > to sit in one and watch the newly-arrived crowd of tourists go > by for a while. This is Unc's idea of a good time. :-) > > Anyway, the population around here essentially doubled > yesterday, with most of the French taking the entire month > of August off and a great number of them coming down to > this area for their vacations. Naturally, at least half of them > are women. Even more naturally, a lot of them, being French, > are *attractive* women. I am not averse to attractive women. > > So I was in lecher heaven, just sitting there and watching > hundreds -- nay, thousands -- of beautiful women walk by > my cafe table in their summer dresses. > > But after a while it struck me that I really *wasn't* being > lecherous. Almost *none* of these women provoked any > kind of desire in me. I wasn't watching them out of a sense > of lust, or because I wanted to have sex with any of them, or > even because I wanted to meet any of them. I was just > watching. > > And *appreciating*. It really wasn't an issue of desire, or > of wanting anything from these passing women. I just > found myself *appreciating* them, without having to form > any judgments about them or "rank" them or think about > them much at all. A thin, lithe woman would walk by, and > I would appreciate her. A big, fat woman would walk by, > and I would appreciate her. The morning turned into just > one big Appreciation Fest, me sitting there appreciating > the endless variety of creation as creation paraded its > creativity past my table. > > It was really cool. And I don't think it would have been as > cool if Tom hadn't mentioned what he did about appreciation > the other day. That helped to put the whole experience in > focus for me. So thanks... Sounds like a great time! I agree that the sidewalk cafes and people watching are pinnacles of Western civ too! Thanks for the travelogue from France. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fee now $3,000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Talking w/ recerts out in the malls working to bring initiates and > palaces into the TMO, the course fee for TM is raised now to $3,000. > They are saying there is not really any teaching going on. Some of > them out in California were told that they 'might' get a check this > month for their work but don't expect one next month or look for any > after that. Not really any teaching going on? > > -Doug ** Water, in SthapathyaVeda architecture, is represented by the circle, so the restless nature of water is OK for a sports stadium, but would be counterproductive for a meditation hall, diminishing the tendency to settle down. So when MMY let them build meditation halls on the MUM campus, he said OK to round bldgs (with a south entrance, to boot!), in order to slow down the growth of enlightenment values in the West (the domes now have eliminated the inauspicious south entrance and a squaring vastu fence has been installed to mitigate the effect of the round bldg, not that it matters much since the dome numbers are low, so the total enlightenment effect remains about the same). If you don't know or understand the significance of what MMY said in his 60s pamphlet "The Divine Plan," you cannot understand the significance of all the deliberate and otherwise missteps (like the inauspicious domes, and the price hikes, which significantly do not apply to India) for the plan to enlighten the world. MMY has now lit a few candles around the world, and the coming surge of growth (or not -- MMY has said this might take "hundreds of centuries") in the movement in India is really the only relevant factor -- countries other than India could never be the base for a revival of Vedic culture. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante (lead story on this page disusses the Divine Plan enunciated by MMY) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appreciation of 'appreciation'
I spotted a Maharishi school in Uttar Kashi October/November 2004. In the short time it took me to ask local directions I looked over the biology laboratory, met the administrator and quite a few pupils. By western standards the school looked a little raw but by local standards I suspect it was just fine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Sounds to me like impotence and approaching old age. > > > > The latter is possible, but the former was proved untrue > > later the same evening. :-) > > I'm sure that, as for the TM schools in India, the group would > appreciate some > independent verification of this claim . . . To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appreciation of 'appreciation'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Sounds to me like impotence and approaching old age. > > > > The latter is possible, but the former was proved untrue > > later the same evening. :-) > > I'm sure that, as for the TM schools in India, the group would > appreciate some independent verification of this claim . . . The group can go get a life. :-) I already have one. And unlike the TM organization, I am not trying to sell you anything or convince you of anything or get you to give me large sums of money or protect my tax status. So I shall merely remain appreciative that, at least in France, old farts like myself can still manage to get laid and allow you to believe anything you want. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fee now $3,000
In a message dated 7/31/05 10:05:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do know one thing, if you paid 3 grandto learn TM you'd certainly continue to practice it! Or chalk it up to being one of those "suckers" born every minute. Not everybody has good or great experiences when they first start. I have heard people ranting that they could get more relaxation by sitting by the pool with cucumber slices over their eyes, as they stormed out of the center on their initiation day. The reason I continued is I just happened to have a clear experience of no mantra no thought and liked it on day two. I thought if that much is true then there must be something to the rest of it. People tend to be skeptical of such promises that the TMO makes and if they don't see immediate results of some kind it's very easy for anybody to think they've been had. I would rather see the TMO charge little or nothing to learn TM and then make it up on advanced techniques once people have had an opportunity to see and know the value of transcending. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appreciation of 'appreciation'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sounds to me like impotence and approaching old age. > > The latter is possible, but the former was proved untrue > later the same evening. :-) I'm sure that, as for the TM schools in India, the group would appreciate some independent verification of this claim . . . > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > But after a while it struck me that I really *wasn't* being > > > lecherous. Almost *none* of these women provoked any > > > kind of desire in me. I wasn't watching them out of a sense > > > of lust, or because I wanted to have sex with any of them, or > > > even because I wanted to meet any of them. I was just > > > watching. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appreciation of 'appreciation'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sounds to me like impotence and approaching old age. > > > > The latter is possible, but the former was proved untrue > > later the same evening. :-) > > Was the goat female or male? :) To tell would be un-chevre-lous of me. Cross-language pun...you either get it or you don't. :-) As an unrelated but similarly punny aside, there was a lawsuit recently in which the French tried to prevent a South African winery from marketing wines whose names were puns on famous French regions. The Frenchies didn't think much of the South Africans selling a wine called Goats do Roam. The courts saw the humor in it, and sent the Frenchies back to the Cotes du Rhone without the injunction they were hoping for. http://www.decanter.com/news/47909.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appreciation of 'appreciation'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have to write and thank Tom (I think) for the recent post > > in which he suggested that at a certain point in one's evol- > > ution it was possibly more accurate to think of desires as > > 'appreciation' than it was to think of them as desires. > > I got a real taste of that yesterday. > ... > > And *appreciating*. It really wasn't an issue of desire, or > > of wanting anything from these passing women. I just > > found myself *appreciating* them, without having to form > > any judgments about them or "rank" them or think about > > them much at all. > > SSRS expresses a similar theme. He says enjoy all the beauty around > you, just don't claim or seek ownership. Or become owned. :-) One of the most fascinating things about the whole morning was that some of the women passing by were definitely "pushing it out" (in an occult sense, not the push-up bra sense...it's something you do with your kundalini to attract attention). And the pushing-it-out was *excellent*, man... these women might have actually *caught* my attention in the past. But for whatever reason, that morning I just found myself appreciating their act, and all the care that went into having a body like that and hair like that and choosing just the right outfit to be...uh...attractive. But it didn't attract. They walked by, I appreciated the routine, and then they were gone. No residual impression at all. > Just that thought loosened me > up quite a bit, letting go of the striving, seeking to obtain things > of beauty -- whether women in a relationsip, fine furniture or art or > some beautiful flowers in the park. It is really liberating. You don't actually give up any of these things, or appreciating them if and when they happen, you just give up the wanting of them, and the state of dissatisfaction and living-in-the-future that goes along *with* wanting them. You open yourself to being pleasantly surprised by life again. > Fully appreciate it when its in you "space" and then let go. Exactly. Like a line drawn on water. Like a gorgeous, long-legged line drawn on water. :-) You appreciate it while it's there, and then you don't miss it when it is not. > Letting > go is the key. And actually sets you up for the next wave of > appreciation. You can't fully appreciate B when still striving to > obtain A. In the formal study of evolution, one of the things considered a *huge* step towards being human is found in monkeys and other primates, as they swing from branch to branch. You can't do this if you hold on to the previous branch. You have to let go to make progress. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appreciation of 'appreciation'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sounds to me like impotence and approaching old age. > > The latter is possible, but the former was proved untrue > later the same evening. :-) Was the goat female or male? :) > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > But after a while it struck me that I really *wasn't* being > > > lecherous. Almost *none* of these women provoked any > > > kind of desire in me. I wasn't watching them out of a sense > > > of lust, or because I wanted to have sex with any of them, or > > > even because I wanted to meet any of them. I was just > > > watching. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appreciation of 'appreciation'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to write and thank Tom (I think) for the recent post > in which he suggested that at a certain point in one's evol- > ution it was possibly more accurate to think of desires as > 'appreciation' than it was to think of them as desires. > I got a real taste of that yesterday. ... > And *appreciating*. It really wasn't an issue of desire, or > of wanting anything from these passing women. I just > found myself *appreciating* them, without having to form > any judgments about them or "rank" them or think about > them much at all. SSRS expresses a similar theme. He says enjoy all the beauty around you, just don't claim or seek ownership. Just that thought loosened me up quite a bit, letting go of the striving, seeking to obtain things of beauty -- whether women in a relationsip, fine furniture or art or some beautiful flowers in the park. Fully appreciate it when its in you "space" and then let go. Letting go is the key. And actually sets you up for the next wave of appreciation. You can't fully appreciate B when still striving to obtain A. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appreciation of 'appreciation'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sounds to me like impotence and approaching old age. The latter is possible, but the former was proved untrue later the same evening. :-) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > But after a while it struck me that I really *wasn't* being > > lecherous. Almost *none* of these women provoked any > > kind of desire in me. I wasn't watching them out of a sense > > of lust, or because I wanted to have sex with any of them, or > > even because I wanted to meet any of them. I was just > > watching. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi University of Management
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, I posted a photo of my student loans recently. Here's the figures. 32,000 bucks for MIU education, 10,000 for a year of law school. That makes 42,000 dollars. 15 years of deferment, the loans are now 105,496.38 bucks. If I were to repay them the total amount repayed after 340 payments over the next 26 years would be 261,671 dollars. > > I can honestly say I didn't realize what I was getting into, or that the banks still practiced usury. Nobody told me these facts when I went to MIU. > > I would have gotten a fairer rate from the Mafia. I doubt it. The 15 year deferment was at a rate of about 6.3% The 28.33 year repayment schedule appears to be at a rate of about 7.7%. Quite good rates for businesses with strong credit. An extradordinarily good rate for a student with few assets and possibly marginal credit. No usury here. Nobody told me these facts when I went to MIU. Usually there are disclosure forms with the rates when you take out a student loan. If not, high school math can be used to figure it out. Or, if you simply asked, both the school and the student loan agency would have told you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appreciation of 'appreciation'
Sounds to me like impotence and approaching old age. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But after a while it struck me that I really *wasn't* being > lecherous. Almost *none* of these women provoked any > kind of desire in me. I wasn't watching them out of a sense > of lust, or because I wanted to have sex with any of them, or > even because I wanted to meet any of them. I was just > watching. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Why is MMY in a hurry.....
I know he has stated he was in the past, but has never said why? Isn't anything worthwhile, worth waiting for? Don't quality longlasting institutions take hundreds of years to be established, most Religions have histories of thousands of years to get to the level of acceptance they have today! BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fee now $3,000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Quick question, how many here (including TM > > teachers, former > > TMteachers, etc) honestly believe that TM is unique, > > worth the money, > > etc? Since you asked, my honest answers are: "No, I don't believe the technique is unique." "No, I don't believe it is worth what is being charged for it." I think it would be a great technique if it were made avaliable at its original price -- $75 for working adults, $35 for students. At that price, I would recommend it along with other techniques that are available at that price point that have (in my opinion) equal value for the potential student. Now a few questions in return: -- How many other techniques of meditation have you studied to verify your (seeming) belief that TM is unique? -- What makes you believe it's worth, say, 46 times what Vipassana meditation generally costs, or 200 times what Tibetan Buddhist meditation "costs" (in quotes because the latter $15 was a suggested, but not required, donation). -- If you had a friend who wanted to learn to meditate, but who made less money per month than TM costs (which would put them at about the median income level for Americans), would you recommend that the friend learn TM rather than check out one of the more reasonably- priced alternatives? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I can't speak for the TMO and the claim of 200 schools, but when I was in > Uttar Kashi in the mid 90's there was a Maharishi Vidya mandir or > whatever they > called it. I was invited with my traveling companion to see the place and > speak before an assembly of the students. However the place didn't look > anything like these places on the web sites. A few small buildings with tin > roofs and a couple hundred students ranging in age from 5 or 6 to late > teens. And it wasn't free. Neither are the schools listed on the web page. The fees are actually listed there. I have no idea how they compare to the fees for other private schools in India, but I would suspect that they aren't inexpensive. I would suspect, in fact, the opposite. > But I'm sure the community was happy to have the school. Think how much happier they would've been if the school really *had* been free, if the movement that talked about wanting to save the world *had* been willing to put its own money where its mouth is and actually help a few people for free for a change. If the TM organization had a well-established history of doing such things, I don't think I would be suspicious of this web page. But it doesn't, and I am. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judgemental Views
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > When it comes to all that sort of shit I just skip posts. > > > > So you don't mind being lied to. > > Some of us realize that everything that has *ever* been > told to us was a lie, from one POV / SOC or another. > Everything. And some of us recognize this as a cheap excuse for not bothering to come as close as we can from our own POV/SOC--or worse, for deliberately telling what we know to be falsehoods from that POV/SOC. > "Lies" are a lie made up by those who are attached to > one particular POV / SOC and want not only to remain > fixated there but to bind others there so they'll have > company. :-) Yeah, it's really impressive that you're so unattached to your POV/SOC, not like those unevolved nerds who complain endlessly about the TMO's lies, right? "...The TMO lost *all* its credibility for me decades ago. After 40 years of broken promises, 'pronouncements' that don't come true or have anything to do with what we consensually call reality, consistent abuses of trust, the law, and even its own followers, *how* could I just take the TM organization's word for something like this? "How do you tell when Karl Rove is lying? His lips are moving. "How do you tell when the TM organization is either lying or lost in some amazingly delusional fantasy? They issue a press release or make a 'pronouncement.'" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fee now $3,000
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 7/30/05 10:35:20 P.M. Central > Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > I was asked recently to speak a little about TM - > It provoked an > > unpleasant reaction when I told the group the > $2500 price, I'm sure > > $3000 will be even more fun > > > > > > > > > > Le'me guess, public stoning? > > Quick question, how many here (including TM > teachers, former > TMteachers, etc) honestly believe that TM is unique, > worth the money, > etc? > > Seems to me that if you don't believe in what you're > trying to sell, > you're never going to sell anything... TM and the TM-Sidhis program are great techniques. I still see them as unique in the spiritual supermarket out there. But this probably is just a reflection of my own bias. How would I know? The only other techniques I've done are SSRS's Sudarshan Kriya, vipasana meditation and Atman vichara (Self-Inquiry). I don't see these as better or worse than TM/TM-sidhis, just different. But $3000 to start TM is a bit tough for most people to pay. I certainly could not mention that price to someone if I was giving a public presentation on TM without feeling a bit of discomfort. I do know one thing, if you paid 3 grand to learn TM you'd certainly continue to practice it! > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
In a message dated 7/31/05 9:33:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But y'know, the funny thing is that I really *would*love to believe that the TMO has done somethingnon-self-serving with its money in all this time. Ithink it would be really *neat* if there really *were*200 schools in India, providing a free or reasonably-priced education, one that involved being exposedto the practice of meditation (as opposed to beingforced to practice meditation). It would be reallynice to believe this.But I can't. And the reason is because the TMO lost*all* its credibility for me decades ago. After 40 yearsof broken promises, "pronouncements" that don't cometrue or have anything to do with what we consensuallycall reality, consistent abuses of trust, the law, and evenits own followers, *how* could I just take the TM organ-ization's word for something like this? How do you tell when Karl Rove is lying? His lips aremoving.How do you tell when the TM organization is either lying or lost in some amazingly delusional fantasy?They issue a press release or make a "pronouncement."It's all in the patterns. If the patterns have been clearlyestablished for many years (and they have, in bothexamples above), how likely is it that those patterns are going to change at the last minute? I can't speak for the TMO and the claim of 200 schools, but when I was in Uttar Kashi in the mid 90's there was a Maharishi Vidya mandir or whatever they called it. I was invited with my traveling companion to see the place and speak before an assembly of the students. However the place didn't look anything like these places on the web sites. A few small buildings with tin roofs and a couple hundred students ranging in age from 5 or 6 to late teens. And it wasn't free. But I'm sure the community was happy to have the school.< I could easily see 200 such places in India that the TMO could have started with maybe a few larger places to show off and give the impression they are all like that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/31/05 5:43:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Tell you what...send this web page to the Times Of India > and ask them to assign a reporter to checking it out. It > would be big news, after all -- a guru who "made good" > in the outside world coming back to India and helping > out his country. Then let's see what the reporters actually > find when they go to all these locations and look for > 100,000 students. > > Oh my! You're so negative! LOL! That's true. If this were the Kiosk, I'd have been burned at the stake by now. :-) But y'know, the funny thing is that I really *would* love to believe that the TMO has done something non-self-serving with its money in all this time. I think it would be really *neat* if there really *were* 200 schools in India, providing a free or reasonably- priced education, one that involved being exposed to the practice of meditation (as opposed to being forced to practice meditation). It would be really nice to believe this. But I can't. And the reason is because the TMO lost *all* its credibility for me decades ago. After 40 years of broken promises, "pronouncements" that don't come true or have anything to do with what we consensually call reality, consistent abuses of trust, the law, and even its own followers, *how* could I just take the TM organ- ization's word for something like this? How do you tell when Karl Rove is lying? His lips are moving. How do you tell when the TM organization is either lying or lost in some amazingly delusional fantasy? They issue a press release or make a "pronouncement." It's all in the patterns. If the patterns have been clearly established for many years (and they have, in both examples above), how likely is it that those patterns are going to change at the last minute? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reac
On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:40 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: > This is the only sutra in Patanjali that says that > Enlightenment is the result of doing this sutra. Very clever. Sutra > This also explains what happens to the intellect. Actually after one has perfected viveka-khyati (discrimination of purusha)--one has to perfect "cessation" in Patanjali's "techniques" to 'get the Big E.' Viveka-khyati is often mistaken for the Big E as we experience the largeness and feeling of wholeness of Buddhi--but the expanse of Buddhi is not the Big E. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Anyone have video now discs etc to part with?
WANTED: Video Now Discs etc. Used okay, without box ok, must work well. We don' have much to spend and have a B&W player. We're moving across the country and its a two day+ drive, and my 5 year old would be a lot happier with something to do. I already have the player. Please email if you can help, and if so, please include your asking prices. Also may consider buying a used color player and/or used color discs. Also may be willing to trade (We do have a lot of good stuff to get rid of). I am located in Fairfield Camille To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
In a message dated 7/31/05 5:43:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tell you what...send this web page to the Times Of Indiaand ask them to assign a reporter to checking it out. Itwould be big news, after all -- a guru who "made good"in the outside world coming back to India and helpingout his country. Then let's see what the reporters actuallyfind when they go to all these locations and look for100,000 students. Oh my! You're so negative! LOL! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Appreciation of 'appreciation'
- Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Appreciation of 'appreciation' It was really cool. And I don't think it would have been ascool if Tom hadn't mentioned what he did about appreciationthe other day. That helped to put the whole experience infocus for me. So thanks...Are you trying to make Judy jealous? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sure, it's like your favorite soap. You want to > know > > if Sharon really did have John's baby and if Doug > > found out that he is the secret child of > millionaire > > Sterling Armstrong who has the secret cocain > > addiction. What's going to happen next? I hate to > > addmit this, but I'm actually looking forward to > what > > happens to the TMO after MMY goes into > mahasamadhi. > > The contesting for the $'s and control by the > various > > power factions will be fascinating. > > Utterly fascinating. If anyone has the distance on > things to write it all up and make it funny, it > would > be a best seller. Perhaps out of the mud some beautiful lotuses will blossom. > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Appreciation of 'appreciation'
I have to write and thank Tom (I think) for the recent post in which he suggested that at a certain point in one's evol- ution it was possibly more accurate to think of desires as 'appreciation' than it was to think of them as desires. I got a real taste of that yesterday. I drove to Sommieres, a bigger town near the one I'm living in, because they have a market on Saturday mornings and there is a cafe there where I love to sit and watch the world go by. After all, I am on record as believing that the sidewalk cafe is the pinnacle of Western civilization, and I just wanted to sit in one and watch the newly-arrived crowd of tourists go by for a while. This is Unc's idea of a good time. :-) Anyway, the population around here essentially doubled yesterday, with most of the French taking the entire month of August off and a great number of them coming down to this area for their vacations. Naturally, at least half of them are women. Even more naturally, a lot of them, being French, are *attractive* women. I am not averse to attractive women. So I was in lecher heaven, just sitting there and watching hundreds -- nay, thousands -- of beautiful women walk by my cafe table in their summer dresses. But after a while it struck me that I really *wasn't* being lecherous. Almost *none* of these women provoked any kind of desire in me. I wasn't watching them out of a sense of lust, or because I wanted to have sex with any of them, or even because I wanted to meet any of them. I was just watching. And *appreciating*. It really wasn't an issue of desire, or of wanting anything from these passing women. I just found myself *appreciating* them, without having to form any judgments about them or "rank" them or think about them much at all. A thin, lithe woman would walk by, and I would appreciate her. A big, fat woman would walk by, and I would appreciate her. The morning turned into just one big Appreciation Fest, me sitting there appreciating the endless variety of creation as creation paraded its creativity past my table. It was really cool. And I don't think it would have been as cool if Tom hadn't mentioned what he did about appreciation the other day. That helped to put the whole experience in focus for me. So thanks... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Antigravitational effect of vibration!? (Yeah, right!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.mysticalsun.com/cymatics/cymatics.html > > In his research with the tonoscope, Jenny noticed that when the > vowels of the ancient languages of Hebrew and Sanskrit were > pronounced, the sand took the shape of the written symbols for > these vowels, while our modern languages, on the other hand, did > not generate the same result! [huh-duh?! - carde] How is this > possible? Did the ancient Hebrews and Indians know this? Is there > something to the concept of "sacred language," which both of these > are sometimes called? I just read the Web page. Utterly fascinating. But I'm puzzled. Are Sanskrit or Hebrew vowels, pronounced in isolation, different from vowels in modern languages pronounced in isolation? I can understand that some would be, but isn't there a relatively limited number of vowel sounds the human vocal apparatus can produce? Maybe it's a continuum, such that there can be extremely refined differences. But there are no "native" ancient Hebrew or Sanskrit speakers; these would have to be second languages. So how could there be a *standard* for the pronunciation of each vowel, if very refined variations would make a significant difference between the sand patterns? Seems to me you'd have to go in the other direction and say the standard for a vowel pronunciation is whether it creates the shape of the symbol for it in the sand pattern. I'm not at all sure what I'm talking about here; I'm just trying to make it come together in my head. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So is this real? > > > > Too grand a gesture for your taste, Unc? > > > > http://www.maharishividyamandir.com/ > > > > http://www.maharishividyamandir.com/ListofMVM.htm > > MVM Schools > > It would be neat if it were true. But it's just a web page, > Lawson. Two web pages. *Lots* of charity scams have > put together such "documentation" of "what they've > accomplished." > > Show me real documentation. Show me an article from > an unbiased Indian newspaper in which the reporter went > to each of these locations and counted the students. Then > and only then will I believe it. > > I'm sorry to appear to be so jaded, but I've watched these > "proclamations of success" for 40 years or so, and almost > *all* of them have been either outright lies or hopeful > fantasies. If you can find and post a real followup article > with a non-TM source that indicates that the number of > schools and that the number of students claimed is > accurate, I will heartily applaud the effort. > > And at the same time, I will STILL condemn the TMO and > Maharishi for taking one of the most easily-learned and > potentially-valuable techniques of meditation off the market > and making it unavailable to all but a privileged few. The > paradigm is clear, Lawson -- only those who *deserve* to > meditate get to learn to meditate. You either have to have > enough money to pay the unconsionably high prices, or > you have to be someone whose story or photo or both we > can use to generate more revenue. No one else matters. Unc makes a good case here: show the evidence. Sort of like `habeas corpus' in criminal cases? What is it called in civil case language, fraud? In the lack of anything like transparent evidence to where the money has gone, it does makes one wonder about the large cynical fraud of it. Last week a guy visiting from India, an Indian cableTV-Swami journalist/celebrity personality, was in FF and wanted a tour of what was going on. He was filming and recording as I started driving the southern FF neighborhoods pointing to the many many common small houses in town where meditators do live and then also took him directly to the several places where meditators now meet for meditation outside the TM.org in town here. Then in a sequence we went around from the meditating town up to campus, the domes and the various housing developments up there to explain/show the FF story. Including going past the Kaplan home and then up to Vedic City. We spent the better part of one day around on the alternative tour. I also urged him to take the standard TM.org tour because it is so impressive on the surface. As we drove I also kept asking him questions about MMY and the TM.org in India. He kept answering saying that while he lives there in India and he gets to travel all over because of his Swami TV cable talkshow and he frankly kept saying that other than some schools that nothing is happening and there really is no presence of either MMY, pundits or the TM.org there in India. I kept after him asserting that we have no way to know what is going on (pundits, schools,$) from here and he kept affirming that there was really no presence of the TM.org in India. The guy quoted a lot from the Gita as we unveiled the tour remarking about the large maya of it all and the pitfall of greed, ego, money, women and power even for the illumined guru. The tour gave him a lot to take back and sermonize over. It really is a great story about human character. In the meantime, we live in it here. -Doug To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
> --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One example, during the NJ "is TM a religion" case, > > was when the prosecution issued a subpoena (sp?) > > for a certain audio tape that contained a clear > > reference by Maharishi to TM being a religious practice. Sorry. This wasn't the big New Jersey court case w.r.t. whether TM was a religion but an earlier case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Antigravitational effect of vibration!? (Yeah, right!)
http://www.mysticalsun.com/cymatics/cymatics.html In his research with the tonoscope, Jenny noticed that when the vowels of the ancient languages of Hebrew and Sanskrit were pronounced, the sand took the shape of the written symbols for these vowels, while our modern languages, on the other hand, did not generate the same result! [huh-duh?! - carde] How is this possible? Did the ancient Hebrews and Indians know this? Is there something to the concept of "sacred language," which both of these are sometimes called? What qualities do these "sacred languages," among which Tibetan, Egyptian and Chinese are often numbered, possess? Do they have the power to influence and transform physical reality, to create things through their inherent power, or, to take a concrete example, through the recitation or singing of sacred texts, to heal a person who has gone "out of tune"? An interesting phenomenon appeared when he took a vibrating plate covered with liquid and tilted it.The liquid did not yield to gravitational influence and run off the vibrating plate but stayed on and went on constructing new shapes as though nothing had happened. If, however, the oscillation was then turned off, the liquid began to run, but if he was really fast and got the vibrations going again, he could get the liquid back in place on the plate. According to Jenny, this was an example of an antigravitational effect created by vibrations. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure, it's like your favorite soap. You want to know > if Sharon really did have John's baby and if Doug > found out that he is the secret child of millionaire > Sterling Armstrong who has the secret cocain > addiction. What's going to happen next? I hate to > addmit this, but I'm actually looking forward to what > happens to the TMO after MMY goes into mahasamadhi. > The contesting for the $'s and control by the various > power factions will be fascinating. Utterly fascinating. If anyone has the distance on things to write it all up and make it funny, it would be a best seller. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
wayback said You are so right. I find myself not wondering about motives any more at all - its' like a soap opera just to sit back and watch it all. But I still seem to be curious about the more mundane details (like are people actually being paid). It's alot how you try to reason with your kids when you see them doing something wrong, until they are so committed to unruly behavior that you are forced to send them to military school, which flunking out of they get sent back home, and then they are worse, and you kick them out of the house, but they hang around and torment you until you have them committed as being totally insane. That's TMO. Totally insane, beyond redemption. Lock them away so that the good people of the world don't have to see them any longer, and get foul ideas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > What if... > > > > What if the subconscious purpose of all the latest > > TMO > > activities was, in fact, to shrink the organization > > down > > to a nucleus of True Believers who hope to never > > have > > to work another day in their lives after Maharishi > > dies? > > > > This would be completely consistent with the actions > > of the TMO in the last few years, especially the > > last few > > months. > > The closer I get to a delighted, "I don't know" > regarding the TMO and MMY's behavior the easier my > life becomes. Who really knows what all this nonsense > is. Our endless speculation reveals nothing other than > more craziness giving rise to even more rounds of > speculation. All I know is that the effect it has on > me is to let go of any expectation regarding the > TMO/MMY. I can't really psychologically invest in it > anymore. How could you and remain sane? That's very much what I've been thinking as I read this latest batch of posts. But it almost seems to be swinging in the opposite direction, as if there's more and more psychological investment *against* MMY and the TMO, as if people *want* it all to be a fraud and a failure. But maybe that needs to happen before present negative expectations can completely dissolve past positive expectations and the pendulum comes to rest at "I don't know." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Unfortunately I think you're right Unc. I'm sure > the > > intent is to try to make people think and act one > way > > but the reality of the schools is something quite > > different. In other words, a con. It's really too > bad. > > This type of "con" mentality comes up time and > time > > again in the TMO. By a con mentality I mean an > > attitude that what we, the TMO, want or desire > should > > not be delayed or prevented by any government > > regulation, business ethic, etc.. For > example,years > > ago when I was on TSR a friend of mine was in the > MIU > > doctoral program in neuroscience. He was furious > > because MIU had faked a class to meet the criteria > of > > a visiting accreditation team. The administration > and > > the faculty apparently had no problem with this at > > all. > > I certainly saw lots of examples of this at > National. > The only thing that counted was the *appearance* > of things, not the reality. I saw TM leaders lying > under oath in court precedings, and obviously not > feeling that there was anything wrong with this. > One example, during the NJ "is TM a religion" case, > was when the prosecution issued a subpoena (sp?) > for a certain audio tape that contained a clear > refer- > ence by Maharishi to TM being a religious practice. > The Regional Offices were instructed to destroy > their > copies of this tape and we had to call all TM > centers > and tell them to destroy *their* copy while we > waited > on the phone for them to do it and confirm it to us. > And > then the representatives from National responded to > the subpoena by swearing under oath that no such > tape never existed. > > What this school thing looks like to me is that > there are > in fact, a few such schools, or at least there were > long > enough to take a few photos and plant a few articles > in > the press to make it look as if there were more. My > bet > is that this is a business fronted by Maharishi's > relatives > that, following the TMO model, managed to qualify > for > massive tax breaks or tax-exempt status by claiming > it > was a non-profit educational organization. Then at > a > certain point (I would guess from the copyright > dates > 2003), someone from the guvmint asked them to > actually > prove that they *were* a non-profit educational > organ- > ization, and they threw together this website as > "proof." > > A few posed photos from the few real schools that > were > acually created, someone entering fake data into an > Access > database to make it look as if there were more such > schools, > and voila, the front organization gets to remain a > front organ- > ization, and gets to continue making its real money > by buying > and selling real estate, tax-free. > > And no one feels bad about it because it's just > low-vibe non- > meditators who are being taken in. "The horror, the horror." -Colonel Walter E. Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now". > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
Sure, it's like your favorite soap. You want to know if Sharon really did have John's baby and if Doug found out that he is the secret child of millionaire Sterling Armstrong who has the secret cocain addiction. What's going to happen next? I hate to addmit this, but I'm actually looking forward to what happens to the TMO after MMY goes into mahasamadhi. The contesting for the $'s and control by the various power factions will be fascinating. --- wayback71 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are so right. I find myself not wondering about > motives any more at all - its' like a > soap opera just to sit back and watch it all. But I > still seem to be curious about the more > mundane details (like are people actually being > paid). > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > What if... > > > > > > What if the subconscious purpose of all the > latest > > > TMO > > > activities was, in fact, to shrink the > organization > > > down > > > to a nucleus of True Believers who hope to never > > > have > > > to work another day in their lives after > Maharishi > > > dies? > > > > > > This would be completely consistent with the > actions > > > of the TMO in the last few years, especially the > > > last few > > > months. > > > > The closer I get to a delighted, "I don't know" > > regarding the TMO and MMY's behavior the easier my > > life becomes. Who really knows what all this > nonsense > > is. Our endless speculation reveals nothing other > than > > more craziness giving rise to even more rounds of > > speculation. All I know is that the effect it has > on > > me is to let go of any expectation regarding the > > TMO/MMY. I can't really psychologically invest in > it > > anymore. How could you and remain sane? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home > page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi vidya mandir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately I think you're right Unc. I'm sure the > intent is to try to make people think and act one way > but the reality of the schools is something quite > different. In other words, a con. It's really too bad. > This type of "con" mentality comes up time and time > again in the TMO. By a con mentality I mean an > attitude that what we, the TMO, want or desire should > not be delayed or prevented by any government > regulation, business ethic, etc.. For example,years > ago when I was on TSR a friend of mine was in the MIU > doctoral program in neuroscience. He was furious > because MIU had faked a class to meet the criteria of > a visiting accreditation team. The administration and > the faculty apparently had no problem with this at > all. I certainly saw lots of examples of this at National. The only thing that counted was the *appearance* of things, not the reality. I saw TM leaders lying under oath in court precedings, and obviously not feeling that there was anything wrong with this. One example, during the NJ "is TM a religion" case, was when the prosecution issued a subpoena (sp?) for a certain audio tape that contained a clear refer- ence by Maharishi to TM being a religious practice. The Regional Offices were instructed to destroy their copies of this tape and we had to call all TM centers and tell them to destroy *their* copy while we waited on the phone for them to do it and confirm it to us. And then the representatives from National responded to the subpoena by swearing under oath that no such tape never existed. What this school thing looks like to me is that there are in fact, a few such schools, or at least there were long enough to take a few photos and plant a few articles in the press to make it look as if there were more. My bet is that this is a business fronted by Maharishi's relatives that, following the TMO model, managed to qualify for massive tax breaks or tax-exempt status by claiming it was a non-profit educational organization. Then at a certain point (I would guess from the copyright dates 2003), someone from the guvmint asked them to actually prove that they *were* a non-profit educational organ- ization, and they threw together this website as "proof." A few posed photos from the few real schools that were acually created, someone entering fake data into an Access database to make it look as if there were more such schools, and voila, the front organization gets to remain a front organ- ization, and gets to continue making its real money by buying and selling real estate, tax-free. And no one feels bad about it because it's just low-vibe non- meditators who are being taken in. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if...
You are so right. I find myself not wondering about motives any more at all - its' like a soap opera just to sit back and watch it all. But I still seem to be curious about the more mundane details (like are people actually being paid). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > What if... > > > > What if the subconscious purpose of all the latest > > TMO > > activities was, in fact, to shrink the organization > > down > > to a nucleus of True Believers who hope to never > > have > > to work another day in their lives after Maharishi > > dies? > > > > This would be completely consistent with the actions > > of the TMO in the last few years, especially the > > last few > > months. > > The closer I get to a delighted, "I don't know" > regarding the TMO and MMY's behavior the easier my > life becomes. Who really knows what all this nonsense > is. Our endless speculation reveals nothing other than > more craziness giving rise to even more rounds of > speculation. All I know is that the effect it has on > me is to let go of any expectation regarding the > TMO/MMY. I can't really psychologically invest in it > anymore. How could you and remain sane? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please Help Us!
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Sorry Pete and Akash, Haven't paid any attention , > just been deleting it > > all. Whoever gets the last word only proves > stubbornness in my opinion. > > Wise man. Ditto > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
