[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/05 4:59 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other part of that question is how did you know it was true? JohnY I know! If you knew the person who told me--and I'm sure many of you here do--you would understand. He is a man of impeccable integrity and honesty. Jerry was in a LA strip club, and ran into Charlie there???!!! :) (Jerry is one or the few that come to mind in the TMO, who was, in my experience, a man of impeccable integrity and honesty.) And even if Jerry was in a strip club, I could see him with that big sattvic smile saying, I like looking at naked woman. No problem at all. or I could see him with that big sattvic smile saying, I am looking at naked woman. No problem. Whats next. Exactly. Those who are reacting to strip clubs as negative are uncomfortable with their selves, and projecting it outwards. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/05 4:59 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other part of that question is how did you know it was true? JohnY I know! If you knew the person who told me--and I'm sure many of you here do--you would understand. He is a man of impeccable integrity and honesty. Jerry was in a LA strip club, and ran into Charlie there???!!! :) (Jerry is one or the few that come to mind in the TMO, who was, in my experience, a man of impeccable integrity and honesty.) And even if Jerry was in a strip club, I could see him with that big sattvic smile saying, I like looking at naked woman. No problem at all. or I could see him with that big sattvic smile saying, I am looking at naked woman. No problem. Whats next. Exactly. Those who are reacting to strip clubs as negative are uncomfortable with their selves, and projecting it outwards. I know!..when I showed my big hard wet colorful dick on the strip stage , those who react negatively towards it are obviously uncomfortable within themsleves. I hear ya ! OffWorld ( takin' to the limit) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: akasha, you'd be great in an upper-level feminist studies seminar. Groups of feminist sex workers have brought up most if not all of your points; so have lesbians who have their own exotic dancer clubs, publish x-rated magazines for the lesbian community, informed by lesbian feminist theory. In my experience, those who rail most about strip clubs and how exploitive they are all have something in common: they have such low self esteem physically that they'd rather die than be seen naked. Those of us who grew up with different values in terms of nudity may be able to see the issue with a little more perspective than someone who is fearful of nudity and resentful of anyone who looks better nude than they do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irrelevant to the point.And none of your business. But it IS the point. Guys who sleep with strippers are contributing to the weird sexual distortion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were then currently strippers. I'm curious - you seemed to have been saying that my (or anyone else's) opinion could not possibly have any value if I didn't know any strippers. Are you now going to take my statement that I do as proof that my opinion has value, or will you now display this as proof of how (and all those like me, of course) horrible I am to women and how much I dislike them? WEre they your friends, or were you sleeping with them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's just plain ridiculous. How could you possibly know that? Do you stand outside clubs interviewing, Excuse me, but do you actually like women? I mean, like, not just their breasts and stuff, but do you think they (as a group, of course) are sort of nice, or do you really secrety despise them and that's why you come to horrible, filthy, degrading, degenerate, disgusting places like this? (NOTE - playback should get much faster and more shrill as you read this last sentence.) Have many friends who are strippers? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: strippers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I knew a woman in Fairfield who became a stripper. She enjoyed dancing and she enjoyed showing herself off, so stripping was a perfect fit, so to speak. Based on the reports of the women I've sat and talked to in such clubs, she also possibly makes more money than any editor, real estate agent, or computer pro- grammer here. I think that's what really pisses some of the latter off. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ADM X2 Dual Core Processor 4400 2MB L2 Cache
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it just arrived via Fed Ex. I going to fire that baby up. Is that 4,400 MHZ !??? Is that a Mac? OffWorld Its 2.2 GHz. ADM tends to double the MHz for its model numbers because an ADM CPU at .5x MHz, tends to equal the performance of an Intel CPU at x Mhz. Due to its architecture. Its hard to swallow at first, but I have used both ADM and Intel CPUs for some time, and it appears to be true. And many benchmarks back it up. My current 1.6 GHz (ADM 3200) ADM single core runs about the same performance in my own benchmarks as another 2.8GHz Hyperthread Intel machine. However, this new CPU is dual core, so there are two CPUs on one chip!. So it actually is is running 2 x 2.2 GHz. (Not to be confused with a dual processor mother board with two CPUs) Its a self-built PC. I happen to have a 939 socket motherboard with a slower single core adm processor at present. So I am popping that out and inserting the new dual core. are you into heavy image or graphic processing, that you need it? You need faster memory bus to really use such a beast properly. My dual-G5 Mac has a 1Ghz bus, for instance. Macs suck. (from a former Mac believer...now Toshiba alpha male) OK. C'mon , you can do better than that! Hit him back ! It always depends on what you want to use a computer for anyway. The top-of-the-line PC beats the top-of-the-line Mac for computer graphics right now, speed-wise. If you're using a computer for a single task that requires great speed, than obviously you go with whatever is fastest that you can afford, so... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
So exotic dancers should all be celibate? You're not making any sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irrelevant to the point.And none of your business. But it IS the point. Guys who sleep with strippers are contributing to the weird sexual distortion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were then currently strippers. I'm curious - you seemed to have been saying that my (or anyone else's) opinion could not possibly have any value if I didn't know any strippers. Are you now going to take my statement that I do as proof that my opinion has value, or will you now display this as proof of how (and all those like me, of course) horrible I am to women and how much I dislike them? WEre they your friends, or were you sleeping with them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's just plain ridiculous. How could you possibly know that? Do you stand outside clubs interviewing, Excuse me, but do you actually like women? I mean, like, not just their breasts and stuff, but do you think they (as a group, of course) are sort of nice, or do you really secrety despise them and that's why you come to horrible, filthy, degrading, degenerate, disgusting places like this? (NOTE - playback should get much faster and more shrill as you read this last sentence.) Have many friends who are strippers? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
But it IS the point. Guys who sleep with strippers are contributing to the weird sexual distortion. How quaint. Makes me feel nostalgic for a time that might have been but never was. (big kiss on the forehead , goodnight, sleep tight) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My greatest concern is that the most money girls are able to make is by doing sexwork. The assumption is that the great pay is a stepping stone for those who don't want to be doing it their whole life--just so that she can get out of debt, or finish college, or pay for a child's private school or medical treatments. Finally, a valid and sensible criticism of strip clubs. I (obviously) don't believe that there is anything wrong with them, or that they are necessarily exploitative of the women who work in them. I have sat and had long conversations with enough of them to know that isn't necessarily true. But the *system* is exploitative of the fact that women are generally not considered worth as much as men, in the same job. Therefore, many women go outside the system to make equal amounts of money. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who likes strip clubs does NOT like women. Where do you come up with such ridiculous tripe from? What a sweeping AND idiotic generalization from the World Authority on Nearly Every Topic So you think that going to strip clubs means that you DO like women? Thanks for the insight into your own personality. What does my personality have to do with your remark-a sweeping generalization that if you like strip clubs you don't like women. Speak for yourself. Maybe you equate the two, but not everyone does. Some women love their work, and they love the men watching them. Back up your comment with conclusive evidence. Does it mean that women that like to wach men strip hate men? Yep. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ADM X2 Dual Core Processor 4400 2MB L2 Cache
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have heat problems with all that speed? I have a fast PC (forget the speed and it's turned off at the moment) with hyperthreading and when it heats up, the CPU fan sounds like a jet engine. So I put several more fans in it, front and back. I've got a regular wind tunnel going in there, but it solved the problem. Hey nothing beats a dual-G5 for noise when it heats up. 9 fans, each software controlled. 2 processors, passive liquid cooling. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry Long ... What it is to die (as I'm seeing it)
Thanks for posting this. Kind of eerie to read such a clear account of the impending death of the body. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Posted to another chat: What it is to die (as I'm seeing it) A revealing article on the meaning behind death and life written by Barry Long as he approached his own death. Mystics and poets down through the ages have told us that our real home is eternity. Our short stay on earth and our deepest longing would seem to confirm that we belong elsewhere. As I approach physical death I'm looking at whether I can put the inspiration of the mystics into a context more easily understood by us ordinary - albeit temporary - people of the earth. To do so I see I will have to draw on the same area of knowledge from which I wrote 'The Origins of Man and the Universe' more than two decades ago. As that knowledge extends from earth to eternity the concepts I'm forced to use will be outside normal rational thinking experience. But as rational thought has no explanation of what we truly are, what we're doing or where we're going, and since everyone must finally pass this way, it would seem fitting to introduce another paradigm, another way of looking at things. Eternity In reality, each of us is a point of intelligence in the deep space of eternity. If we were asked casually where eternity is, we'd probably point to the deep space of the stars. And we'd be right. For that space symbolises eternity - symbolises, because it is external to us whereas in reality we are one with eternity within. It is undeniable that in our manifested state we are earthlings. And that while here we develop an attachment to the earth and its beauty. Even though eternity is our true home, after death our lingering attachment to the earth eventually pulls us back and our intelligence recurs in a new physical body. So before birth, we are free unfettered spirits of intelligence in the wondrous unlimited space of eternity. But attachment (or karma) is a form of will and it determines our recurrence on earth, drawing our intelligence back into phenomenal time at the moment of biological conception. From then on we start to gather a body of past - a physical and mental body that enmeshes and cocoons the free spirit. All is not lost, however. In the passage of time, disease and old age take their toll of the body and mind and the dying begins - the dying to return home to eternity. At the time of writing, this is where I am - dying of advanced prostate cancer. And I'm moved to set down the paradigm of just what this dying process suggests to me. The Process The disorientation and pain that accompanies dying is the slow shedding of the body of flesh and experience. The old zest for living disappears. Appetite and interest in the world diminish and vitality drains from the body. Weakness and need of sleep increase. Time on earth is coming to an end. As the attachment or karma of the particular recurrence is lived out, the hold on the free spirit is weakened. As well, the spirit now resonates more and more at the speed of the eternal spirit of which it is an inseparable part. The incredible swiftness of the resonance dislodges and shakes off increasing amounts of the cloying biological body. This causes the final sickness of the body, with the debilitating side effects of the drugs and treatments being part of the whole process. God Immanent Meanwhile as the organising self - commonly called the ego - loses interest in the external to concentrate on trying to understand what's happening in the body, the God immanent arises. This is extremely gradual and subtle. It is signified by the dying individual sitting motionless and apparently staring ahead or into space for increasing periods. The God or Lord immanent is the spirit of intelligence that entered the body at conception. It has no attributes. It is pure intelligence without the corruption of mind or knowing. The growing negation of all that the individual used to be, allows the Lord or God immanent to 'appear' in the dying body for sensitive loved ones to actually witness. But often the appearance goes unnoticed because of its extreme subtlety and absence of identifying attributes - combined with the sense of loss and grief in the loved ones which disturbs attunement. The closest that can be said to describe this divine metamorphosis is that an unmistakable sweetness and love appears in the patient, finer than anything ever seen in her or him before. I, the dying patient, am now like the chrysalis approaching transformation into a butterfly. The moment of death marks the release of the last flake of restraining past. The amazing transition is complete. I, the spirit of intelligence, burst free and soar through inner space to reunite with the eternal good or God
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] , non-hung-up-about-sex women who are using the clubs to pay for a good education and a future. If there is any exploitation going on, it is of the men, not the women. The women are paid very well, both by the clubs and in the form of tips. They are taken *care* of -- God *help* the poor schmuck who tries to touch one of them or do something inappropriate. The dysfunction is both ways: how the men treat the women AND how the women learn to interact with the men. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robertson Blames Hurricane On Choice Of Ellen DeGeneres To Host Emmys
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turns out this was a spoof. Hard to tell these days. You thought it was *serious* at first?? I couldn't tell either. Remember that Oral Roberts once ranted about his vision of 600 foot tall Jesus... Wow. Talk about the my dick is bigger than your dick thang... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Exactly. Those who are reacting to strip clubs as negative are uncomfortable with their selves, and projecting it outwards. Or have a more subtle viewof the world than some who claim vast spiritual prowess. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Rick, please ban OffWorld for his lewdness
Rick, please ban OffWorld for his grossness and lewdness. ...from OffWorldBeings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: akasha, you'd be great in an upper-level feminist studies seminar. Groups of feminist sex workers have brought up most if not all of your points; so have lesbians who have their own exotic dancer clubs, publish x-rated magazines for the lesbian community, informed by lesbian feminist theory. In my experience, those who rail most about strip clubs and how exploitive they are all have something in common: they have such low self esteem physically that they'd rather die than be seen naked. Those of us who grew up with different values in terms of nudity may be able to see the issue with a little more perspective than someone who is fearful of nudity and resentful of anyone who looks better nude than they do. Or perhaps you've missed the point. I've been in art classes where the models were very nice looking and where the models werenearly as fat and icky-looking as myself. Comfort with a nude body isn't the issue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So exotic dancers should all be celibate? You're not making any sense. Some of them are. They tend to be the least messed up and come out of the profession less messed up as well... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irrelevant to the point.And none of your business. But it IS the point. Guys who sleep with strippers are contributing to the weird sexual distortion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were then currently strippers. I'm curious - you seemed to have been saying that my (or anyone else's) opinion could not possibly have any value if I didn't know any strippers. Are you now going to take my statement that I do as proof that my opinion has value, or will you now display this as proof of how (and all those like me, of course) horrible I am to women and how much I dislike them? WEre they your friends, or were you sleeping with them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's just plain ridiculous. How could you possibly know that? Do you stand outside clubs interviewing, Excuse me, but do you actually like women? I mean, like, not just their breasts and stuff, but do you think they (as a group, of course) are sort of nice, or do you really secrety despise them and that's why you come to horrible, filthy, degrading, degenerate, disgusting places like this? (NOTE - playback should get much faster and more shrill as you read this last sentence.) Have many friends who are strippers? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: strippers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shall I add strippers to the list of recent topics in the FFL description? That'll attract some interesting new members. How 'bout this confessional: I was a stripper for the TM movement. Well, I was. A photo-stripper, at MIU Press. All the Euro TBs wanted you to call it montage, but I always called it what it was called in the US -- stripping -- because it pissed them off so much. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Exactly. Those who are reacting to strip clubs as negative are uncomfortable with their selves, and projecting it outwards. Or have a more subtle viewof the world than some who claim vast spiritual prowess. You need to see a good therapist and deal with your issues surrounding this, maybe a nude therapist. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Oink...brahmacaryaM pushpa-gandhash ca?
Does celibacy make a bloke smell (like) G?D ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Serpents, Spirals and Prayers
This was put together by me. Hope it is enjoyed. === Serpents, Spirals and Prayers - A Journey Through Symbolic Forms in Jewelry === Going through regular monthly cycles, the moon inevitably came to be identified with femininity and the fact that it showered soothing and comforting rays from an eminent position high above in the sky ensured that our venerable ancient forefathers (and mothers), ascribed the status of a goddess to this nocturnal body. This is one reason why the early mainstream religions, with their marked preference for the male of the species, found the veneration towards what was a palpably feminine deity hard to digest and hence came to associate such an inclination with an aberration of the mind and it was not long before the word 'lunatic', with its lunar associations, came to brand such devotion as insanity. However, notwithstanding the injunctions to the contrary, the moon as a symbol continued to fascinate humans. To observers on the earth, it was the most changeable of all celestial phenomena. In earlier times, the appearance of the new crescent was often greeted with joy as a return of the moon from the dead. In ancient Egypt, the sickle-shaped deity signified the goddess Isis and any jewel fashioned in its likeness was believed to protect infants. The crescent's association with babies derives from the fact that it is itself the small, newborn moon. (It was always the waxing moon, never the waning one.) Specifically, since it appeared to give birth to itself, it was natural for the heavenly body to become the patron deity of childbirth. Even when submerged in the sea of night, the moon possesses the secret of a new, evolving life. Similarly are all babies born into life out of the dark waters of the womb. To the skeptic the fact that the moon has no light of its own but merely reflects the sun is an indication of the inferior status of the former. It is left to the sacred text Prasna Upanishad to bring things into perspective: 'The sun is the principle of life and the primeval waters are the moon. And these waters are the source of all that is visible or invisible. Hence the waters are the image of all things.' (Tr. From Sanskrit By Alain Danielou.) Thus does the moon reflect the sun's light. Further, by analogy, it is the same archetypal waters which fertilize the male seed floating in its infinite depths. It is all the more auspicious to craft the crescent out in silver as it is considered the moon's metal much as gold is associated with the sun. Illustration: http://www.exoticindia.com/artimages/jet99.jpg Then there is Shiva, the Hindu god of destruction, who adorns his crest with the crescent, which both softens and sensualises his appearance at the same time. Illustration: http://www.exoticindia.com/artimages/bg22.jpg In Islam too, the crescent is considered sacred since it was Prophet Muhammad himself who proclaimed the lunar dating system, replacing the earlier one based on a combination of the solar and lunar calendars. The crescent motif, known as the hilal, has been much used throughout the centuries in Islamic art and appears on the flag of many nations thus inclined. Illustration: http://www.exoticindia.com/artimages/flag.jpg The stand-alone crescent is in a sense incomplete, without the mating male element, represented by the sun. The two heavenly bodies, juxtaposed in a number of imaginative ways, denote the sacred marriage of the two underlying principles, which are the building blocks of the universe. In the world's earliest book, the Rig Veda, there is a hymn glorifying the union of Soma (moon) with Surya (sun). The Creative Tension in Chinese Thought One night in China, the venerable sage Chang San Fang had a vivid dream of a contest between two creatures, a snake and a crane. The former came up from the earth, and the latter flew down from a tree, and then began a struggle over a morsel of food. The dream recurred, night after night, and yet neither creature was ever wholly victorious. The contest was very evenly matched - an example of opposites in dynamic harmony. This active engagement of the two principles was given visual form in an ingenious diagram known in Chinese as the Tai Chi Tu. It is a perfect circle, divided into two equal parts by a central, vertical S, which symbolically represents the coiled dragon of Chinese mythology. In the white section, which is associated with the hard, male principle (yang) is a black dot. The latter signifies the presence of the softer feminine, known as yin. Illustration: http://www.exoticindia.com/artimages/jdk86.jpg The black region belongs to the yin and has the corresponding white dot representing the male. This overlapping suggests that nothing in the world is wholly yin or yang in itself, but each contains the seed of the other. Also, one may be yang in relation to something, but yin in relation to
[FairfieldLife] HILARIOUS!!! (was Re: Nakedness Before God)
Cliff: I have a hard time seeing the difference between Judy wanting to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body in a strip club... Judy: You're as bad as Barry, Cliff. I NEVER said or suggested anything of the kind. ... Cliff: Yes, Judy. The whole world, in fact, is ganging up against you, plotting your intellectual downfall. There are thousands of emails per minute devoted just to you. Judy: Yup, it's Barry. Uh, Judy...Cliff's not me. I'm not him. I think you owe him an apology. But thank you for proving my point about your current level of paranoia, and your tendency to believe that people are out to get you. I had actually taken Feste's advice to heart, and had decided that continuing to taunt you was making you worse, not better, and so had laid off. But you assumed I had not only redoubled my efforts, but had done so by pretending to be someone else. Says a lot, babe. ON THE OTHER HAND, you might be correct. You know how you assume that I am lying about everything. I could be lying about not being Cliff. You also know that I am enough of a programmer to spoof any name I want in the From: line of a post, and enough of a writer to mimic the person's writing style. If I were you, and as obsessed with protecting the self as you are, I'd probably assume from here on out that EVERY post on FFL -- any post that criticizes you in any way, or that disagrees with an opinion you have expressed, or that otherwise offends you -- is really from me. I think it's the only...uh...sane policy for you to adopt at this point. Assume that ANYONE posting here could really be Barry, out to get you again. Treat EVERYONE the same way you treat me; give EVERYONE the same respect you give me; assume their integrity and truthfulness to be the same that you assume about mine. Like they said in the film Aliens, Nuke the whole planet. It's the only way to be sure. Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irrelevant to the point.And none of your business. But it IS the point. Guys who sleep with strippers are contributing to the weird sexual distortion. Take a chill pill, Lawson. You're getting embarrassing. Or pointing out something you just can't get. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] National webcast Sept 29 - does brain get damaged from work?
News Center Does the workplace damage your brain? Mon 12 Sep 2005 09:37 am CST IOWA (myDNA News) To learn more visit myDNA's Mental Health Center Read More Everyone is aware of the damage job stress can do to the heart - consider the elevated risks of hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and stroke. But what can stress do to the brain - to vital executive functions, such as planning, decision-making and problem-solving abilities, even moral reasoning? On Friday, September 30, a panel of medical researchers and business leaders will participate in the first annual national brain conference for business, entitled, Is the Workplace Bad for Your Brain? The conference, which will be webcast nationally, will explore the impact of job stress on the brain - and will present new research showing the effects of Transcendental Meditation on executive brain functioning. Stressful experiences lead to dysfunctions of the prefrontal cortex According to conference panelist Dr. Gary Kaplan, a Long Island neurologist and clinical professor of neurology at New York University School of Medicine, the high stress, long hours, bad diet, and substance abuse that permeate the workplace can take a terrible toll on the brain. Stressful experiences lead to dysfunctions of the prefrontal cortex - the so-called 'CEO' of the brain - which regulates critical areas governing judgment, planning, decision making, moral reasoning, and sense of self. Over time, this can lead to impulsive, short-sighted, even violent behavior; increased anxiety; depression; alcohol and drug abuse; memory loss; and an increase of other stress-related diseases, Dr. Kaplan said. Reversing the debilitating effects of job stress To counter the damage of stress, more and more business people are turning to effective non-medicinal antidotes, such as Transcendental Meditation, which research shows produces a state of restful alertness in the brain - the opposite of the stressful 'fight-or-flight' response. The experience of restful alertness gained during TM reverses the debilitating effects of stress on the prefrontal cortex. It integrates frontal lobe functioning and the connections of frontal areas to the rest of the brain - the basis of sound judgment and therefore good leadership, says neuroscientist Fred Travis, director of the Center for Brain, Consciousness and Cognition at Maharishi University of Management, and one of the world's most published researchers in the field of meditation and brain functioning. Conference panelist Jeffrey Abramson, partner in the Tower Companies, a prominent Washington, D.C.-based commercial development company, will speak during the conference on his company's use of the new EEG Stress Test and Brain Integration Score Card to assess the impact of job stress on the brain functioning of meditating employees. In addition, Dr. Travis will measure the brain wave coherence of a meditating executive to demonstrate unique EEG changes experienced during TM practice. Over $20 million in NIH-funded research Research on the effects of Transcendental Meditation on brain functioning is coming to the forefront after nearly two decades of research on cardiovascular disease. The CVD research, which has been funded by over $20 million in grants from the National Institutes of Health, has found the TM technique reduces high blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, and the use of antihypertensive medication - as well as decreases death rate by 23 percent. Transcendental Meditation was introduced to the world 50 years ago by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. The technique is now practiced by six million people of all ages, religions, and nationalities. Special guest: Film director David Lynch to address business conference Award-winning film director David Lynch, who last month established a new foundation to bring the benefits of Transcendental Meditation to America's stressed-out schools, will address the business conference. Mr. Lynch is also speaking at NYU's Cantor Film Center on Consciousness, Creativity and the Brain on Thursday, September 29, 7 p.m., an event sponsored by the NYU Directors' Series. The business conference proceedings will be webcast live, nationally, from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m. (Eastern) at www.businessbrain.mum.edu. To learn more visit myDNA's Mental Health Center Read More Reviewed: September 12, 2005 Rick Nauert PhD Source: Maharishi University of Management Copyright: ©Maharishi University of Management __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were then currently strippers. I'm curious - you seemed to have been saying that my (or anyone else's) opinion could not possibly have any value if I didn't know any strippers. Are you now going to take my statement that I do as proof that my opinion has value, or will you now display this as proof of how (and all those like me, of course) horrible I am to women and how much I dislike them? WEre they your friends, or were you sleeping with them? This warrants revisiting. One, sparaig seems to think that there of necessity has to be a difference. That's pretty sad in itself. Two, I think that anyone who has read his description of the strippers he's talked to know that they would *not* consider him to be a friend. He looks down upon them too much. FYI, the women I talked to at the strip club in Detroit *were* my friends. They knew that I never sat at the edge of the stage and stuffed dollar bills in their G-strings. They knew that I wasn't interested in lap dances. I was interested in *them*. I took advantage of the club's free limo service and sat at their bar for a while before each flight home. While sitting there, I wrote stories. Some of them were about the women I met; when they were, I gave them a copy. I was sorta like their pet, their artist- in-residence, like Toulouse-Lautrec was in Paris or Hokusai was in Kyoto. I was there because I liked the bar (it was really high-tech and had the nicety of a digital readout above the bar of all the departing flights, so that you could keep track of when you had to leave for the actual airport). And I liked the company. The women related to me because I treated them like women, not strippers. We laughed togther and had fun and talked like any two other human beings would laugh and talk. Maybe if you tried a little of this with your stripper friends instead of seeing in them only what your hangups have programmed you to see, they might actually become your friends, too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
On 9/12/05 7:00 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is a fictional account, but I do believe in a large number of cases it is an accurate picture, watch a couple of Soprano episodes. The mob runs their act out of a north Jersey strip club called Bada Bing. This is the local strip joint--not the upscale gentleman's clubs or the Moulin Rouge. You may be living a bit too much in a fictional world -- viewing the world based on ficional acounts. :) I mean did the name Bada Bing give you a sense that some literary license might be being taken? Of course, it is parodying Italian-American stereotypes. Do you feel that Bada Bing is really representative of modern US clubs? It's accurate on different levels to different situations. Perhaps it is in low population rural areas. Probably more likely. It is a good Hollywood fantasy of what a fictional mob boss might be engaged in? Do you think most clubs are owned by the mafia? No. I have seen a few episodes. How are the girls at Bada Bing being exploited? They are used for sex. Some are drug addicts who work for their fix. Some are exploited for sex by he owners. At the same time there are high class, upscale places, which are probably like the places Pete is describing in the Florida Gold Coast (one of the wealthiest areas in this country). Probably more a mixed bag. Yes, I think there are a range of clubs. It would be a mistake if one found some low level club where there is some coercion and exploitation -- and I am sure there are some -- and extrapolate that to all clubs. Could be. However at some level their is the exploitation of women who are desperate for money--for what ever reason--who are used because of that need. The symbol of the go-go dancer in a cage seems to symbolize this sense that men or women's need for *control* over and above others. It is also worth mentioning that prostitution is Vedic. According to Natural Law it is acceptable for certain castes to do this. But before you go championing Maharishi Brothels ;-) you should definitely check out the film _The Day My God Died_, which was mentioned here before ( http://www.thedaymygoddied.com/ ). So you have jumped from contemporary clubs in the US to brothels in India. Do you really equate such? That was my concern with my original post that in your mind you were bashing US clubs but thinking of reasons why 3rd world brothels are exploitive. They are related phenomenon across the the world. Of course I would expect a greater level of exploitation in the third world, eg. Being old into sexual slavery. If you get LinkTV you may also have seen the pieces on the Stans, the Islamic republics of the old Soviet Union, which are very impoverished and women are routinely sold into slavery--to the tune of about 25% of the population. If you read National Geographic you may have read their article on world prostitution. I agree the are some horrid examples of sex trafficing in parts of the world. How does that make US dancers, in modern clubs, exploited. That would depend on what you would feel would pass for exploitation. The answers are out there if you want to find them. John Lennon said it when he said Woman is the nigger of the world. OK. So how does that make a case that US dancers, in modern clubs, are exploited. This seems to be something you need to look into yourself if you have such questions. We claim to live in a country that idealizes equality--then how come half of congress aren't women? OK. Now I get you. Its a beautiful argument. US dancers, in modern clubs, are exploited because less than half of congress are not female. Ok I am indeed following you now! No, it does not appear you are following me. Male dominance and control are key elements in the worldwide exploitation of women. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
On 9/12/05 7:09 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but the idea that in this day and age there are still intelligent people who have to be educated as to how strip clubs exploit women as sex objects is just too depressing to contemplate. Amen. It's almost not worth responding to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Serpents, Spirals and Prayers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sanjulag [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was put together by me. Hope it is enjoyed. === Serpents, Spirals and Prayers - A Journey Through Symbolic Forms in Jewelry === Nicely done. If you're ever in Paris, you should go to the Musée des bijous in the larger Paris Musée des Arts Decoratifs (it's in the same building as the Louvre). Great collection of jewelry through the ages, from many different cultures. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
On 9/12/05 7:57 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I have said, I am open to the possiblity that contemporary dancers in modern US club are exploited, but I have yet to see any compelling evidence of such. If there is such evidence in abundance, I have been inept in finding it. Please share. STRIPPING Boles, Jacqueline and A.P. Garbin. 1974. ³The Strip Club and Stripper-Customer Patterns of Interaction.² Sociology and Social Research 58:136-144. Calhoun, Thomas C., Julie Ann Harms Cannon and Rhonda Fisher. 1996. ³Amateur Stripping: Sexualized Entertainment and Gendered Fun.² Sociological Focus 29:155-166. Ciriello, Sarah. 1993. ³Commodification of Women: Morning, Noon, and Night.² Pp. 264-281 in Transforming A Rape Culture, eds. Emille Buchwald, Pamela Fletcher, and Martha Roth. Minneapolis MN: Milkweed Editions. Enck, Graves E. and James D. Preston. 1988. ³Counterfeit Intimacy: A Dramaturgical Analysis of an Erotic Performance.² Deviant Behavior 9:369-381. Futterman, Marilyn. 1992. Dancing Naked in the Material World. Buffalo, NY: Prometheus Books. Forsyth, Craig and Tina Deshotels. 1997. ³The Occupational Milieu of the Nude Dancer.² Deviant Behavior 18:125-142. Holsopple, Kelly. 1999. Stripclubs According to Strippers. Making the Harm Visible: Global Sexual Exploitation of Women and Girls, eds. Donna Hughes and Claire Roche, Kingston RI: Coalition Against Trafficking In Women. Mattson, Heidi. 1995. Ivy League Stripper. New York, NY: Arcade Publishing. McCaghy, Charles and James K. Skipper. 1970. ³Stripteasers: The Anatomy and Career Contingencies of a Deviant Occupation.² Social Problems 17:391-405. Peretti, Peter.O. and Patrick O¹Connor. 1989. ³Effects of Incongruence Between The Perceived Self and the Ideal Self on Emotional Stability of Stripteasers.² Social Behavior and Personality 17:81-92. Prewitt, Terry J. 1989. ³Like a Virgin: The Semiotics of Illusion in Erotic Performance.² The American Journal of Semiotics 6:137-152. Reed, Stacy. 1997. ³All Stripped Off.² Pp. 179-188 in Whores and Other Feminists, ed. Jill Nagle. New York, NY: Routledge. Reid, Scott A., Jonathon A. Epstein and D. E. Benson. 1994. Role Identity in a Devalued Occupation: The Case of Female Exotic Dancers. Sociological Focus 27:1-27. Ronai, Carol Rambo and Carolyn Ellis. 1989. ³Turn-ons for Money: Interactional Strategies of the Table Dancer.² Journal of Contemporary Ethnography 18:271-298. Ronai, Carol Rambo. 1992. ³The Reflective Self Through Narrative: A Night in the Life of an Exotic Dancer Researcher², in Investigating Subjectivity: Research on Lived Experience, eds. Carolyn Ellis and Michael Flaherty. Newbury Park, CA: Sage, pp. 102-24. Ronai, Carol Rambo. 1994. ³Narrative Resistance to Deviance: Identity Management Among Strip-tease Dancers.² Perspectives on Social Problems 6:195-213. Thompson, William E. and Jackie L. Harred. 1992. Topless Dancers: Managing Stigma in a Deviant Occupation. Deviant Behavior 13:291-311. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Question for Experts in Vedic Culture
While I can't say I'm an expert in Vedic culture my guess would be that since Mahesh was not from a twice-born caste he could NOT become a swami and therefore could not wear the saffron robes...but he could and did become a brahmacharin and thus wore white. It's a caste thing. On 9/12/05 8:57 PM, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this picture can anyone give an in-depth and precise definition and cultural/historical account of why Maharishi in this photo wears white, and everyone else is the orange sadhu color? Thanks. OffWorld http://www.maharishi.it/images/Personaggi/GuruDev/GuruDev_india_250.jpg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Question for Experts in Vedic Culture
This has always been my understanding too. MMY is not a Brahmin and therefor can not become a sannyasi and wear orange. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I can't say I'm an expert in Vedic culture my guess would be that since Mahesh was not from a twice-born caste he could NOT become a swami and therefore could not wear the saffron robes...but he could and did become a brahmacharin and thus wore white. It's a caste thing. On 9/12/05 8:57 PM, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this picture can anyone give an in-depth and precise definition and cultural/historical account of why Maharishi in this photo wears white, and everyone else is the orange sadhu color? Thanks. OffWorld http://www.maharishi.it/images/Personaggi/GuruDev/GuruDev_india_250.jpg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Objectification vs. exploitation (was Re: Nakedness Before God)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know a guy who worked for a while at a Wal-Mart distribution center in Raymond, New Hampshire. ... My friend was reviewed periodically -- I believe every quarter. He got a black mark for every review period in which he failed to meet his quota. Wal-Mart discharges a box chucker after 12 unsatisfactory reviews. .. Why does Wal-Mart set such an impossibly high quota? I can't say. But here is a company that uses people up and throws them away. And many of us applaud that policy by shopping there. Gotta love those low prices! Lots of jobs have high demands. But someone is able to meet the standards. Those that can and do, are rewarded. If no one can meet the standards, the standards will be lowered. And / or wages raisede to attract ore talented workers. Well, in the Wal-Mart example above, I believe the company purposely sets standards higher than anyone can meet. Review those metrics. 5,000 boxes and 12-hour days? I suspect the policy saves Wal-Mart from having to give people raises and pay the Workers' Compensation that would inevitably result from repetitive strain injuries over the years. Dunno. But the impression I got was, nobody meets those standards, and that suits Wal-Mart just fine. - Patrick Gillam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
On 9/12/05 11:03 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting. the dark side of these people who try to pass themselves off as the latest guru. That tendency (to declare oneself a teacher or guru or enlightened) I tend to associate with nothing more than a refined and clever ego. I remember how disappointed I was when I found out that Charlie Lutes had loved to frequent strip clubs. This opens a question for inquiry, and I apply this to myself, too. Why would such behavior on Charlie's part bother us so much? He liked to look at naked women. Okay I have known other people in the past that I respect and admire that did the same thing from time to time. Why is it such a problem? H. Anyone who likes strip clubs does NOT like women. I don't know that like would be the operative word...maybe respect. Like I said, it's all about control and domination and subjugation of women--at least (IMO) it is an overriding theme. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Exactly. Those who are reacting to strip clubs as negative are uncomfortable with their selves, and projecting it outwards. Or have a more subtle viewof the world than some who claim vast spiritual prowess. You need to see a good therapist and deal with your issues surrounding this, maybe a nude therapist. This friday at1:00PM is open. Sorry, but I won't be naked. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/05 4:59 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other part of that question is how did you know it was true? JohnY I know! If you knew the person who told me--and I'm sure many of you here do--you would understand. He is a man of impeccable integrity and honesty. Jerry was in a LA strip club, and ran into Charlie there???!!! :) (Jerry is one or the few that come to mind in the TMO, who was, in my experience, a man of impeccable integrity and honesty.) And even if Jerry was in a strip club, I could see him with that big sattvic smile saying, I like looking at naked woman. No problem at all. or I could see him with that big sattvic smile saying, I am looking at naked woman. No problem. Whats next. Exactly. Those who are reacting to strip clubs as negative are uncomfortable with their selves, and projecting it outwards. I know!..when I showed my big hard wet colorful dick on the strip stage , those who react negatively towards it are obviously uncomfortable within themsleves. I hear ya ! OffWorld ( takin' to the limit) That's what that thing was! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/05 11:03 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting. the dark side of these people who try to pass themselves off as the latest guru. That tendency (to declare oneself a teacher or guru or enlightened) I tend to associate with nothing more than a refined and clever ego. I remember how disappointed I was when I found out that Charlie Lutes had loved to frequent strip clubs. This opens a question for inquiry, and I apply this to myself, too. Why would such behavior on Charlie's part bother us so much? He liked to look at naked women. Okay I have known other people in the past that I respect and admire that did the same thing from time to time. Why is it such a problem? H. Anyone who likes strip clubs does NOT like women. I don't know that like would be the operative word... maybe respect. Like I said, it's all about control and domination and subjugation of women--at least (IMO) it is an overriding theme. Vaj, I like you, but I have to wonder whether you have actually ever *been* to a strip club. Yes, it's sad that our society is so sexually biased that one of the only options women who don't want to work for low pay have open to them is stripping. But the *dynamic* in a strip club is exaclty the *opposite* of what you describe. *Any* seer with half an ounce of discrimination would be able to discern that immediately. The people being controlled and dominated and subjugated are the *men* around the stage. And *every* woman who works at one of these clubs knows it. Some actually get off on the level of control they have over the customers, playing with it. Sit and *talk* with some of these women sometime. It might open your eyes to the possibility that this scene is not nearly as black-and-white as you think it is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Objectification vs. exploitation (was Re: Nakedness Before God)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moral of the story, Patrick? Your friend never HAD to work at Wal-Mart... YOU don't HAVE to shop there... And strippers do NOT have to take their clothes off. Didn't I arrive at those conclusions? Obviously I wasn't clear. And actually, the story was a means to jump beyond those obvious morals and address what may be the real issue around stripping and sex work, which is not exploitation but objectification. I suspect they're different. And I'm interested in the qualitative differences between sex work, which is highly emotional, and ordinary labor, which is mostly physical. Just intellectual games, but engaging. - Patrick Gillam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
On 9/13/05 7:33 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj, I like you, but I have to wonder whether you have actually ever *been* to a strip club. Yes! Yes, it's sad that our society is so sexually biased that one of the only options women who don't want to work for low pay have open to them is stripping. But the *dynamic* in a strip club is exaclty the *opposite* of what you describe. *Any* seer with half an ounce of discrimination would be able to discern that immediately. I guess that would depend what the seer saw. The people being controlled and dominated and subjugated are the *men* around the stage. And *every* woman who works at one of these clubs knows it. Some actually get off on the level of control they have over the customers, playing with it. Like I believe I conveyed, I think it depends on the situation in regards to specifics. Could there be a club which actually used the work-situation to enpower themselves? Yes, of course it could. Could it be used in a *sacred* sense--yes absolutely it could, has been and is to this day. Yet in our rape culture that is not always the case. I am not an expert in the demographics of strip clubs so I can't claim much in numbers. Sit and *talk* with some of these women sometime. It might open your eyes to the possibility that this scene is not nearly as black-and-white as you think it is. I don't see it as black and white. I do see patterns though in some of these situations--and they are samsaric patterns. I am deliberately not saying which ones as I believe people should come to their own conclusions. I have to also tell you, I have seen this used in a sacred manor--but it was not in strip clubs. ;-) ...after all, I am a Nath...I was initiated, as have been innumerable Naths since the Treta, by a woman/Goddess and let's just say plainly dressed;-) A meeting of Naths in sacred space is almost always (depending on circumstances) clothing optional. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: akasha, you'd be great in an upper-level feminist studies seminar. Groups of feminist sex workers have brought up most if not all of your points; so have lesbians who have their own exotic dancer clubs, publish x-rated magazines for the lesbian community, informed by lesbian feminist theory. In my experience, those who rail most about strip clubs and how exploitive they are all have something in common: they have such low self esteem physically that they'd rather die than be seen naked. Those of us who grew up with different values in terms of nudity may be able to see the issue with a little more perspective than someone who is fearful of nudity and resentful of anyone who looks better nude than they do. Or perhaps you've missed the point. No, he's just seized on yet another way to exalt himself and put down others. I've been in art classes where the models were very nice looking and where the models werenearly as fat and icky-looking as myself. Comfort with a nude body isn't the issue. Of course it isn't. Nude swimming is another counterexample. One of the most enjoyable afternoons I ever spent was at a nude swimming hole in upstate New York some years ago, where folks, both male and female, young and old, displayed an astonishing variety of bodies, from gross to svelte. The interesting thing was that after about five minutes you completely forgot you and everybody else were naked. The only slightly uncomfortable aspect was the (fully clothed) gawkers standing around at the periphery. But all they did was gawk, and you quickly forgot about them too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
Holsopple, Kelly. 1999. Stripclubs According to Strippers. Making the Harm Visible: Global Sexual Exploitation of Women and Girls, eds. Donna Hughes and Claire Roche, Kingston RI: Coalition Against Trafficking In Women. The Glamorous Life of the Stripper Excerpted from a 1999 study by Kelly Holsopple. Kelly, a former stripper, investigated violence in strip clubs, typical strip club activities and interactions, working conditions, and women¹s thoughts on stripping. Her study had two parts. In phase one, she interviewed 41 women for 1 to 4 hours each. The interviews were qualitative and open-ended. The phase one subjects ranged in age from 19-40, and had been working as strippers anywhere from 3 months to 18 years. They worked in both urban and rural clubs which, collectively, featured the following activities: topless dancing, nude dancing, table dancing, couch dancing, lap dancing, wall dancing, shower dancing, and bed dancing, peepshows, female boxing and wrestling with customers. Some of the clubs also sold photographs of the dancers, or hired porn models and actresses as headliners. After analyzing the phase one results, Kelly found that two most pronounced themes were low-self esteem and violence. In phase two, Kelly interviewed a smaller group of women using a 26-question survey. It focused on the rules and work conditions at clubs, and incidents of verbal harassment, physical and sexual violence, and sexual exploitation experienced by the strippers. These surveys and consequent discussions lasted from one to four hours. The phase two subjects ranged in age from eighteen to thirty-five years old, and entered into stripping between the ages of 15 and 23 years old, with an average entry age of 18 years, 10 months. In phase two, the women were asked to describe the various circumstances of their recruitment into stripping. One woman recounted her recruitment as an eighteen-year-old. She went to a gentlemen¹s club¹ to pick up her friend, waited at the bar, was served alcohol, and was asked for her ID by the owner. Instead of kicking her out, he told her she could make $1000 per week working for him and pressured her to enter the amateur contest that night. She won the $300 contest, and worked there three weeks before being recruited into an escort service by a patron pimp. This kind of story is not uncommon. Typically, a strip club manager asks a potential applicant to audition on amateur night or bikini night, popular with customers who hope to see girl-next-door types rather than seasoned strippers. If the manager is pleased and there is an opening in the schedule, he may make a job offer. Applicants are told working as a stripper is flexible, lucrative, and that they will not be forced to do anything they do not want to do. Later, strippers discover that managers overbook them so they are forced to compete with each other, often gradually engaging in more explicit activities in order to earn tips. It¹s important to understand that strippers are typically hired as independent contractors¹ rather than employees.¹ They have no fixed wage, and their income depends on pleasing customers in order to earn tips. They are not entitled to any of the following privileges: workers¹ compensation, health insurance, unemployment benefits, or filing discrimination claims. Club owners save money by paying no Social Security, no health insurance, and no sick pay. (see Joe¹s Strip-o-Rama Employee Handbook) Other club income collected by the management can include: door cover charges, beverage sales, sale of promotional novelty items, kickbacks, prostitution, and fines imposed on the women. When not on stage, strippers are also encouraged to perform private dances for bigger tips. These are usually performed in areas shielded from the larger club view. As a rule, these transactions involve one female dancer and one male customer. These situations skirt the definition of prostitution because of the contact involved. Table dancing is performed on a low coffee table or on a small portable platform near the customer¹s seat. The woman¹s breasts and genitals are eye level to the customer. Couch dancing for a customer involves a dancer standing above him on a couch, dangling her breasts or bopping him in the face with her pubic area. Lap dancing requires the woman to straddle the man¹s lap and grind against him until he ejaculates in his pants. A variation involves the woman dancing between his legs while he slides down in his chair so that the dancer¹s thighs are rubbing his crotch as she moves. Bed dancing occurs in a private room and requires a woman to lie on top of a fully clothed man and simulate sex until he ejaculates. Shower dancing is offered in upscale clubs and allows a clothed customer to get into a shower stall with one or more women and massage them with soap. Wall dancing requires a stripper to carry
[FairfieldLife] HILARIOUS!!! (was Re: Nakedness Before God)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cliff: I have a hard time seeing the difference between Judy wanting to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body in a strip club... Judy: You're as bad as Barry, Cliff. I NEVER said or suggested anything of the kind. ... Cliff: Yes, Judy. The whole world, in fact, is ganging up against you, plotting your intellectual downfall. There are thousands of emails per minute devoted just to you. Judy: Yup, it's Barry. Uh, Judy...Cliff's not me. I'm not him. I think you owe him an apology. But thank you for proving my point about your current level of paranoia, and your tendency to believe that people are out to get you. Er, no, Barry, *Cliff* said that, not me. I had actually taken Feste's advice to heart, and had decided that continuing to taunt you was making you worse, not better, and so had laid off. But you assumed I had not only redoubled my efforts, but had done so by pretending to be someone else. Says a lot, babe. It says a lot about your inability to laugh at yourself, actually. Here you just got done making a complete fool of yourself by grossly misreprenting things I'd said on alt.m.t and then having your nose rubbed in your deception; and along comes Cliff and starts doing precisely the same thing. And both of you, instead of backing off and exhibiting even the tiniest bit of shame, just keep blustering and blundering into even more self-exposure, swinging your dicks for all you're worth. Two peas in a pod. It's hilarious. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/05 7:00 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip OK. Now I get you. Its a beautiful argument. US dancers, in modern clubs, are exploited because less than half of congress are not female. Ok I am indeed following you now! No, it does not appear you are following me. Male dominance and control are key elements in the worldwide exploitation of women. Another way to look at the same thing: How many strip clubs for women featuring male strippers are there compared with strip clubs for men featuring female strippers? And to go back to an earlier topic, why was the Cosmo nude centerfold of Burt Reynolds such a sensation when it was first published? Why was he vilified for it in many quarters? We've come a long way, baby, since then, but not far enough. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/05 7:33 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The people being controlled and dominated and subjugated are the *men* around the stage. And *every* woman who works at one of these clubs knows it. Some actually get off on the level of control they have over the customers, playing with it. Like I believe I conveyed, I think it depends on the situation in regards to specifics. Could there be a club which actually used the work-situation to enpower themselves? Yes, of course it could. Women have always found ways to turn the male need to dominate to their own benefit, to achieve their own kind of dominance. It's a female survival trait. But it just exacerbates and reinforces the war and the inability of men and women to relate to each other as people. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] HILARIOUS!!! (was Re: Nakedness Before God)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, Judy...Cliff's not me. I'm not him. I think you owe him an apology. But thank you for proving my point about your current level of paranoia, and your tendency to believe that people are out to get you. Er, no, Barry, *Cliff* said that, not me. But you're the one acting out the paranoid fantasy. I couldn't help but notice that you completely *ignored* the fact that you'd been *caught* acting out the fantasy, having declared Cliff to be me. I also couldn't help but notice that you did so by invoking bluster and blame, as you always do. The problem is Cliff and Barry, not the person who has grown so paranoid that she starts mistaking one person who pokes fun at her paranoia for another. Interesting world view you've got there after 30+ years of TM, Jude. I had actually taken Feste's advice to heart, and had decided that continuing to taunt you was making you worse, not better, and so had laid off. But you assumed I had not only redoubled my efforts, but had done so by pretending to be someone else. Says a lot, babe. It says a lot about your inability to laugh at yourself, actually. Here you just got done making a complete fool of yourself by grossly misreprenting things I'd said on alt.m.t and then having your nose rubbed in your deception; and along comes Cliff and starts doing precisely the same thing. No, bluster or not, what I said was correct. You *did* claim on a.m.t. that I was writing derogatory emails about you to other FFL members. I never said that; I merely said that others had made derogatory remarks about you in emails to *me*. You supplied the rest of the fantasy. And you *did* do your damnedest to claim that I was a tax criminal. As you said, it's all there in print for anyone who is stupid enough to look into it. And both of you, instead of backing off and exhibiting even the tiniest bit of shame, just keep blustering and blundering into even more self-exposure, swinging your dicks for all you're worth. Two peas in a pod. It's hilarious. And you're not. Not really. You're kinda sad, actually, and it's a good thing, because it's become clear that it really isn't worth even poking fun at you any more. So I'll just let you demonstrate who you are to the world by yourself instead of commenting on it. Unless, of course, I choose to comment by impersonating other posters on FFL or a.m.t. NEVER discount that possi- bility, Judy. ANYONE who says something about you or about something you believe in that you don't like could possibly be me. Don't trust any of them. Even if they act like they're being supportive, it could really be me setting you up for a big fall. I think you should work under the second assumption. You'll like things better that way. It'll make you feel more important. Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] HILARIOUS!!! (was Re: Nakedness Before God)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, Judy...Cliff's not me. I'm not him. I think you owe him an apology. But thank you for proving my point about your current level of paranoia, and your tendency to believe that people are out to get you. Er, no, Barry, *Cliff* said that, not me. But you're the one acting out the paranoid fantasy. I couldn't help but notice that you completely *ignored* the fact that you'd been *caught* acting out the fantasy, having declared Cliff to be me. You're so completely devoid of any kind of self- knowledge, let alone insight into others. And your mastery of inadvertent irony is on display once again. The paranoia is all yours, pal. As I clearly indicated, and you completely missed, I was making fun of both of you by claiming you were the same person. And you took it as a serious accusation. I don't think even Cliff was *that* stupid. snip Here you just got done making a complete fool of yourself by grossly misreprenting things I'd said on alt.m.t and then having your nose rubbed in your deception; and along comes Cliff and starts doing precisely the same thing. No, bluster or not, what I said was correct. You *did* claim on a.m.t. that I was writing derogatory emails about you to other FFL members. I never said that; I merely said that others had made derogatory remarks about you in emails to *me*. Nope, you also said (as I've already pointed out, and quoted) that they agreed with your view of me--which you'd just got done stating, in terms you had not used on FFL--100 percent. And, of course, you carefully omitted to mention in your quote of my post here that the information about the derogatory emails had come from you. You wanted to suggest, falsely, that I'd dreamed up the whole thing out of my rampant paranoia. *You* announced the fact of the derogatory emails. *You* indicated you were a participant. All I did was wonder what *else* you were telling your correspondents about me. Which is hardly paranoid, given the number of times you've blatantly lied about me in public. You lied again, and you got caught. You supplied the rest of the fantasy. And you *did* do your damnedest to claim that I was a tax criminal. As you said, it's all there in print for anyone who is stupid enough to look into it. Anyone who looks into it will see that I was very successfully pushing your buttons, making fun of you, and that you responded by taking me seriously and making an even more towering fool of yourself--just as you're doing now. It's happened countless times on alt.m.t, and now you're faithfully following in the same sad groove for everyone on FFL to see. You can't relate to other people honestly and with authenticity, and when you're called on it, you freak out. One of these days you're going to swing your dick one too many times, and it's going to come off. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And to go back to an earlier topic, why was the Cosmo nude centerfold of Burt Reynolds such a sensation when it was first published? Why was he vilified for it in many quarters? We've come a long way, baby, since then, but not far enough. There are a growing number of feminist writers like paglia and others who are much more accepting of female sexuality in all its forms than the early more puritanical feminists. I wasn't referring to the feminists, puritanical or otherwise. I don't recall any of them vilifying Reynolds, although I may have missed it. The outcry I meant was from traditionalists who were threatened by the notion that women were sexual beings and that men could ever be seen as sex objects. I think there's a lot of unhealthy puritanism in the eastern spiritual trip as well. I agree. In short I'm all for fighting the sexual exploitation of women but don't want to support the sexual neutrality, the lack of sexual polarity and shakti that you tend to see many spiritual circles. Good for you. The initial stance of *some* (by no means all) feminists was at the far end of the pendulum swing, sort of a Lysistrata effect: things are *so* screwed up we need to remove sexuality from the equation altogether. But that didn't fly, exactly because women *are* sexual beings; and most have a sexual preference for men, so lesbianism wasn't an option for them. The swings of the pendulum are gradually becoming less extreme, but it hasn't come to rest yet in anything like a state of balance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] HILARIOUS!!! (was Re: Nakedness Before God)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of these days you're going to swing your dick one too many times, and it's going to come off. At least for once you are being honest about what really motivates you in these tirades. :-) Buh-bye... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] HILARIOUS!!! (was Re: Nakedness Before God)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of these days you're going to swing your dick one too many times, and it's going to come off. At least for once you are being honest about what really motivates you in these tirades. :-) At least Barry's being honest about why he finds me so threatening: I can *compel* him to swing his dick until it falls off. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: National webcast Sept 29 - does brain get damaged from work?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: News Center Does the workplace damage your brain? Mon 12 Sep 2005 09:37 am CST IOWA (myDNA News) To learn more visit myDNA's Mental Health Center Read More Everyone is aware of the damage job stress can do to the heart - consider the elevated risks of hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and stroke. But what can stress do to the brain - to vital executive functions, such as planning, decision-making and problem-solving abilities, even moral reasoning? On Friday, September 30, a panel of medical researchers and business leaders will Do they actually think they'll be able to get advertising slick enough to get around the $3000 course fee? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ADM X2 Dual Core Processor 4400 2MB L2 Cache
on 9/12/05 11:52 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have heat problems with all that speed? I have a fast PC (forget the speed and it's turned off at the moment) with hyperthreading and when it heats up, the CPU fan sounds like a jet engine. So I put several more fans in it, front and back. I've got a regular wind tunnel going in there, but it solved the problem. Is yours like a 2.8 Intel with hyperthreading? 3Ghz with hyperthreading. Per the ADM machine, no temp prob so far. But the night is young. But my case doesn not have temp readouts. The cpu fan is huge. And has copper coils running through it, as if for refrigerant. Maybe they have designed a sort of crude liquid cooling system. Some of the new G5 Macs have liquid cooling. An advantage of AMD is that their CPUS run at slower, about half the, clock speed of equivalently performing Intel chips. So they run cooler. And now with dual core, its like a 4.4 Ghz Adm (or 8.8 Intel, god forbid) but its 2 x 2.2 so it runs fairly cool. Cool. I have a fan in front that fits in a drive bay. It has two fans. One sucking air in; one blowing it out. Then the CPU and Power Supply fans. Then a regular case fan and another one I installed in one of the NuBus slots or whatever they're called in the back. So 6 fans altogether. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Did you know...
on 9/13/05 12:16 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...it was so cold in southern Saskatchewan in January 1938 that cattle had to walk while they peed, so that the icicles they made didn't freeze them to the ground? Sounds like the cold in Jack London's To Build a Fire - great short story. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ADM X2 Dual Core Processor 4400 2MB L2 Cache
on 9/13/05 12:02 AM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long does it take you to run a [EMAIL PROTECTED] data unit? I just installed it 3 hours ago!! :) Actually, I have not done the seti thing. I should -- though often I do my own runs at night. I will let you know. It's an interesting measure of processing power. Mine takes about 3 hours to run one. I've run 4123 data units on various computers, but haven't located any aliens yet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ADM X2 Dual Core Processor 4400 2MB L2 Cache
on 9/13/05 1:16 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have heat problems with all that speed? I have a fast PC (forget the speed and it's turned off at the moment) with hyperthreading and when it heats up, the CPU fan sounds like a jet engine. So I put several more fans in it, front and back. I've got a regular wind tunnel going in there, but it solved the problem. Hey nothing beats a dual-G5 for noise when it heats up. 9 fans, each software controlled. 2 processors, passive liquid cooling. You mean it's really noisy? The G5's I've seen were very quiet. But maybe they weren't dual and heated up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick, please ban Off World for his lewdness
on 9/13/05 1:22 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, please ban OffWorld for his grossness and lewdness. ...from OffWorldBeings. Tell him to wash his mouth out with soap next time he's stripping in front of the bathroom mirror. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
This study supports the anecdotal experience of several exotic dancer clients I've had. They all hated the work, had very negative feelings toward men. They only did it for the money and because it was quick and offbook. But is it exploitive? I see exploitation as a matter of degree. Yes, it is a shitty way to make money, but there is a degree of choice involved. It is a crappy job, but nobody is making them do it. They choose to do this type of work. We've all had crappy jobs in our life. We endure them until we decide to leave. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holsopple, Kelly. 1999. Stripclubs According to Strippers. Making the Harm Visible: Global Sexual Exploitation of Women and Girls, eds. Donna Hughes and Claire Roche, Kingston RI: Coalition Against Trafficking In Women. The Glamorous Life of the Stripper Excerpted from a 1999 study by Kelly Holsopple. Kelly, a former stripper, investigated violence in strip clubs, typical strip club activities and interactions, working conditions, and women¹s thoughts on stripping. Her study had two parts. In phase one, she interviewed 41 women for 1 to 4 hours each. The interviews were qualitative and open-ended. The phase one subjects ranged in age from 19-40, and had been working as strippers anywhere from 3 months to 18 years. They worked in both urban and rural clubs which, collectively, featured the following activities: topless dancing, nude dancing, table dancing, couch dancing, lap dancing, wall dancing, shower dancing, and bed dancing, peepshows, female boxing and wrestling with customers. Some of the clubs also sold photographs of the dancers, or hired porn models and actresses as headliners. After analyzing the phase one results, Kelly found that two most pronounced themes were low-self esteem and violence. In phase two, Kelly interviewed a smaller group of women using a 26-question survey. It focused on the rules and work conditions at clubs, and incidents of verbal harassment, physical and sexual violence, and sexual exploitation experienced by the strippers. These surveys and consequent discussions lasted from one to four hours. The phase two subjects ranged in age from eighteen to thirty-five years old, and entered into stripping between the ages of 15 and 23 years old, with an average entry age of 18 years, 10 months. In phase two, the women were asked to describe the various circumstances of their recruitment into stripping. One woman recounted her recruitment as an eighteen-year-old. She went to a gentlemen¹s club¹ to pick up her friend, waited at the bar, was served alcohol, and was asked for her ID by the owner. Instead of kicking her out, he told her she could make $1000 per week working for him and pressured her to enter the amateur contest that night. She won the $300 contest, and worked there three weeks before being recruited into an escort service by a patron pimp. This kind of story is not uncommon. Typically, a strip club manager asks a potential applicant to audition on amateur night or bikini night, popular with customers who hope to see girl-next-door types rather than seasoned strippers. If the manager is pleased and there is an opening in the schedule, he may make a job offer. Applicants are told working as a stripper is flexible, lucrative, and that they will not be forced to do anything they do not want to do. Later, strippers discover that managers overbook them so they are forced to compete with each other, often gradually engaging in more explicit activities in order to earn tips. It¹s important to understand that strippers are typically hired as independent contractors¹ rather than employees.¹ They have no fixed wage, and their income depends on pleasing customers in order to earn tips. They are not entitled to any of the following privileges: workers¹ compensation, health insurance, unemployment benefits, or filing discrimination claims. Club owners save money by paying no Social Security, no health insurance, and no sick pay. (see Joe¹s Strip-o-Rama Employee Handbook) Other club income collected by the management can include: door cover charges, beverage sales, sale of promotional novelty items, kickbacks, prostitution, and fines imposed on the women. When not on stage, strippers are also encouraged to perform private dances for bigger tips. These are usually performed in areas shielded from the larger club view. As a rule, these transactions involve one female dancer and one male customer. These situations skirt the definition of prostitution because of the contact involved. Table dancing is performed on a low coffee table or on a small portable platform near the customer¹s seat. The woman¹s breasts and genitals are eye level to the customer. Couch dancing for a customer involves a dancer standing above him on a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick, please ban Off World for his lewdness
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/13/05 1:22 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, please ban OffWorld for his grossness and lewdness. ...from OffWorldBeings. Tell him to wash his mouth out with soap next time he's stripping in front of the bathroom mirror. Where should I place my dollar bills? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
Yes, Vaj and I used to hit the Pop-a-Top in Ottumwa. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/05 7:33 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj, I like you, but I have to wonder whether you have actually ever *been* to a strip club. Yes! Yes, it's sad that our society is so sexually biased that one of the only options women who don't want to work for low pay have open to them is stripping. But the *dynamic* in a strip club is exaclty the *opposite* of what you describe. *Any* seer with half an ounce of discrimination would be able to discern that immediately. I guess that would depend what the seer saw. The people being controlled and dominated and subjugated are the *men* around the stage. And *every* woman who works at one of these clubs knows it. Some actually get off on the level of control they have over the customers, playing with it. Like I believe I conveyed, I think it depends on the situation in regards to specifics. Could there be a club which actually used the work-situation to enpower themselves? Yes, of course it could. Could it be used in a *sacred* sense--yes absolutely it could, has been and is to this day. Yet in our rape culture that is not always the case. I am not an expert in the demographics of strip clubs so I can't claim much in numbers. Sit and *talk* with some of these women sometime. It might open your eyes to the possibility that this scene is not nearly as black-and-white as you think it is. I don't see it as black and white. I do see patterns though in some of these situations--and they are samsaric patterns. I am deliberately not saying which ones as I believe people should come to their own conclusions. I have to also tell you, I have seen this used in a sacred manor--but it was not in strip clubs. ;-) ...after all, I am a Nath...I was initiated, as have been innumerable Naths since the Treta, by a woman/Goddess and let's just say plainly dressed;-) A meeting of Naths in sacred space is almost always (depending on circumstances) clothing optional. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick, please ban Off World for his lewdness
on 9/13/05 9:54 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/13/05 1:22 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, please ban OffWorld for his grossness and lewdness. ...from OffWorldBeings. Tell him to wash his mouth out with soap next time he's stripping in front of the bathroom mirror. Where should I place my dollar bills? In his thong. And they'd better be more than dollars. 20's at least. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please ban Off World for his lewdness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/13/05 9:54 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/13/05 1:22 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, please ban OffWorld for his grossness and lewdness. ...from OffWorldBeings. Tell him to wash his mouth out with soap next time he's stripping in front of the bathroom mirror. Where should I place my dollar bills? In his thong. And they'd better be more than dollars. 20's at least. 20 one-dollar bills would make for better padding. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
On 9/13/05 10:57 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Vaj and I used to hit the Pop-a-Top in Ottumwa. That is, until I perfected the X-ray vision siddhi ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Just FYI, Rick
When I click the Photos link I get an error. This has happened on other Yahoo forums I've been part of when the number of photos exceeded the maximum storage capacity alotted to the group. The other groups often remedied this by deleting the large versions of older photos. Then again, it could just be a normal Yahoo messin' with your mind error. Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, the women I talked to at the strip club in Detroit *were* my friends. ... I was interested in *them*. ... I was sorta like their pet, their artist- in-residence, like Toulouse-Lautrec was in Paris or Hokusai was in Kyoto. ... And I liked the company. The women related to me because I treated them like women, not strippers. We laughed togther and had fun and talked like any two other human beings would laugh and talk. This captures a lot of what real world modern strip clubs are about.p Its so funny to hear abstractions about how bad clubs are -- that are based on imagination of what clubsare, or dramatic (mis)representations, and/or 25 year old journal articles. I am not a big fan of strip clubs. I have lots of better ways to spend my time, usually. I did not go to one until I was 45. I had the same imagination based view of strip clubs as Vaj and Judy appear to have. Then I actually went to one. And in travelling, explored a few others (interesting sociological study of different local mores per the clubs rules dictated by the local city council.) I found a number of stereotypes and misperceptions broken when I looked at WHAT IS and let go of my filters that told me what I SHOULD be seeing. First, the objectification of woman charge is pure bunk, at least in my experience. It is just the opposite. I found that over time, society and media had helped me to internally objectify women is some ways. The cliche arguments of media and fashion are I think true. Or its just male hormones. But looking at women, strangers, on the street, at the grocery store, on the beach, on campuses, on films, and appreciating their beauty and charms, while not unlike appreciating art, is a form of objectification. It is the appreciation of the visual form of women, devoid of knowing their inner qualities. Not to say I didn't know the inner worlds of a number of woman, but the ratio was skewed towards knowing this or that woman only visually. I don't think this is abnormal or unusual. Its the experience of most men -- vis a vis women, and the experience of most women vis a vis men. In this mode, some forms of objectification can and generally do take hold. Just look at the recent teen-boy discussions of women who are strong in the knowledge. Nothing wrong with nice breasts of any size. But to appreciate that, or purity, proportionally much higher, to other inner attributes of a womam, or exclusively, is objectivication in my view. And its a truth that per the above definition/ mode, most men and women objectify their gender of attraction in a number of ways. This can led to some unhealthy, but socially widespread fixations. For example, I found that I might be lying on the beach and see a college girl in a thong swin suit and become fixated on her breasts. Or wonderfully tanned ass. That was her predominant attraction to me, not her personality, not her intelligence, not her compassionate works. Not that I would ignore such if I had a chance to know her. But the subtle thought I want to know those breasts appears at times to predominate over I want to get to know the charm and intelligence of that girl. Sue me, but most people find themselves with such out of balanced view at various times in thier life. And sometimes long term 24/7 The issue in modern life I beleive is not objectivication of the opposite (or preferred) sex, but rather how to break down the almost innate and socially created objectification that is as prevalent as air. For me dance club helped a lot in that regard. The REAL mileau of a modern club revolves around talking to lots of young women, scantilly clad, and getting to know them, as Unc depicts. And in this gestalt of womanly attributes, the key triggers of attraction such as facial beauty, breasts, tight asses, slowly become subordinate to the inner woman. There is no need to fixate on breasts, or imagine what they look like unclothed. Its all pretty much there -- regardless of whether the girl is dancing, without clothes, or simply garbed in her Fredericks of Hollywood's best. And girls with no personality and mundane intelligence, even if she is strong in the knowledge, becomes of much less attraction than smart, funny girls. And one becomes desensitized to the reptile brain attractiveness to breasts and asses. Not blind, but I found in seeing 40 or so in quick succession, it becomes boring. More tits. BFD. And what was interesting and attractive about the girls was their inner worlds. Bottom line: I think clubs can be a strong tool for men who via the media, fashion, entertainment of modern life -- and this is most men -- have without intent, internalized a certain level of objectification of women. This ubiquitous objectification amounts to internally and automatically assigning distorted weights or values to the various attributes of women. When T A exceed 20 to 30%, I suggest a form
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: strippers
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shall I add strippers to the list of recent topics in the FFL description? That'll attract some interesting new members. How 'bout this confessional: I was a stripper for the TM movement. Well, I was. A photo-stripper, at MIU Press. All the Euro TBs wanted you to call it montage, but I always called it what it was called in the US -- stripping -- because it pissed them off so much. :-) I remember back in the early 70's tales of women TMers going to Alaska to dance in the strip clubs where the pipeline was being built to earn money to go to TTC. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, the women I talked to at the strip club in Detroit *were* my friends. ... I was interested in *them*. ... I was sorta like their pet, their artist- in-residence, like Toulouse-Lautrec was in Paris or Hokusai was in Kyoto. ... And I liked the company. The women related to me because I treated them like women, not strippers. We laughed togther and had fun and talked like any two other human beings would laugh and talk. This captures a lot of what real world modern strip clubs are about. Its so funny to hear abstractions about how bad clubs are -- that are based on imagination of what clubsare, or dramatic (mis)representations, and/or 25 year old journal articles. Or, as was actually done here, from TV and movies. That's the closest that a lot of people have ever gotten to one of these clubs. Some of them *are* sleazy, and exploitative. Some insurance companies and defense manufacturers and retailers are sleazy and exploitative. But I think the real issue is that most Americans look down on strippers and other sex workers. They're just trying to hide their own prejudice behind the claim of exploitation and pretending to be outraged about it. I am not a big fan of strip clubs. I have lots of better ways to spend my time, usually. I did not go to one until I was 45. I haven't been to one since that period I spent in Detroit. I'll admit it...I was taking advantage of *them*. Their free limo service saved me, and thus my clients, a bunch of money every month. Still, if I were ever unfortunate enough to end up in Detroit again, I'd definitely drop in, because I made some interesting friends there... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just FYI, Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were over quota and I just deleted an image to bring us under again. I wish they'd give us more than 30 Mb in this age of free gig email accounts. What I was talking about earlier was the small size/full size thang. When you first upload most images, Yahoo creates a small version, which it tends to display most of the time with an option that says full size. Both are having to be stored. What some groups have done is to remove the full size images for photos that don't require high-res (such as maybe the member photos), leaving the smaller ones. on 9/13/05 11:12 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I click the Photos link I get an error. This has happened on other Yahoo forums I've been part of when the number of photos exceeded the maximum storage capacity alotted to the group. The other groups often remedied this by deleting the large versions of older photos. Then again, it could just be a normal Yahoo messin' with your mind error. Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
On 9/13/05 12:29 PM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, as was actually done here, from TV and movies. That's the closest that a lot of people have ever gotten to one of these clubs. Just because I mentioned _The Sopranos_, a very realistic portrayal, as an example, don't take that to mean that I or others are not familiar with the subject matter. Some of them *are* sleazy, and exploitative. Some insurance companies and defense manufacturers and retailers are sleazy and exploitative. But I think the real issue is that most Americans look down on strippers and other sex workers. They're just trying to hide their own prejudice behind the claim of exploitation and pretending to be outraged about it. Naw, they're just people. I am not a big fan of strip clubs. I have lots of better ways to spend my time, usually. I did not go to one until I was 45. I haven't been to one since that period I spent in Detroit. I'll admit it...I was taking advantage of *them*. Their free limo service saved me, and thus my clients, a bunch of money every month. Still, if I were ever unfortunate enough to end up in Detroit again, I'd definitely drop in, because I made some interesting friends there... Don't forget to take pictures! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am guessing judy's view is imagination based also, but I invite her to explicitly dewscribe what she thinks a club looks like and what happens inside. If you think my view of strip clubs depends on what I think they look like and what happens inside--other than women dancing nude for men--you haven't understood my objection. But that's been obvious for a while now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ADM X2 Dual Core Processor 4400 2MB L2 Cache
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it just arrived via Fed Ex. I going to fire that baby up. Is that 4,400 MHZ !??? Is that a Mac? OffWorld Its 2.2 GHz. ADM tends to double the MHz for its model numbers because an ADM CPU at .5x MHz, tends to equal the performance of an Intel CPU at x Mhz. Due to its architecture. So, are these Archer Daniels Midland CPU's made of corn, soybeans, or wheat? Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I think the real issue is that most Americans look down on strippers and other sex workers. They're just trying to hide their own prejudice behind the claim of exploitation and pretending to be outraged about it. That's *an issue*, but of course it's a function of the main issue, which so many of you seem unable to expand your understanding far enough to grasp. The puerility of the level on which this is being discussed by most here is just appalling. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Man of Fairth speaks ou
Dr. Robin Meyers speaking at Oklahoma University Peace Rally. (He is a minister of Mayflower Congregational Church in Oklahoma City, an Open and Affirming, Peace and Justice Church in northwest Oklahoma City, and professor of Rhetoric at Oklahoma City University.) Tonight, I join ranks of those who are angry, because I have watched as the faith I love has been taken over by fundamentalists who claim to speak for Jesus, but whose actions are anything but Christian. We've heard a lot lately about so-called moral values as having swung the election to President Bush. Well, I'm a great believer in moral values, but we need to have a discussion, all over this country, about exactly what constitutes a moral value -- I mean what are we talking about?Because we don't get to make them up as we go along, especially not if we are people of faith. We have an inherited tradition of what is right and wrong, and moral is as moral does. Let me give you just a few of the reasons why I take issue with those in power who claim moral values are on their side: -- When you start a war on false pretenses, and then act as if your deceptions are justified because you are doing God's will, and that your critics are either unpatriotic or lacking in faith, there are some of us who have given our lives to teaching and preaching the faith who believe that this is not only not moral, but immoral. --When you live in a country that has established international rules for waging a just war, build the United Nations on your own soil to enforce them, and then arrogantly break the very rules you set down for the rest of the world, you are doing something immoral. -- When you claim that Jesus is the Lord of your life, and yet fail to acknowledge that your policies ignore his essential teaching, or turn them on their head (you know, Sermon on the Mount stuff like that we must never return violence for violence and that those who live by the sword will die by the sword), you are doing something immoral. -- When you act as if the lives of Iraqi civilians are not as important as the lives of American soldiers, and refuse to even count them, you are doing something immoral. -- When you find a way to avoid combat in Vietnam, and then question the patriotism of someone who volunteered to fight, and came home a hero, you are doing something immoral. -- When you ignore the fundamental teachings of the gospel, which says that the way the strong treat the weak is the ultimate ethical test, by giving tax breaks to the wealthiest among us so the strong will get stronger and the weak will get weaker, you are doing something immoral. -- When you wink at the torture of prisoners, and deprive so-called enemy combatants of the rules of the Geneva convention, which your own country helped to establish and insists that other countries follow, you are doing something immoral. -- When you claim that the world can be divided up into the good guys and the evil doers, slice up your own nation into those who are with you, or with the terrorists -- and then launch a war which enriches your own friends and seizes control of the oil to which we are addicted, instead of helping us to kick the habit, you are doing something immoral. -- When you fail to veto a single spending bill, but ask us to pay for a war with no exit strategy and no end in sight, creating an enormous deficit that hangs like a great millstone around the necks of our children, you are doing something immoral. -- When you cause most of the rest of the world to hate a country that was once the most loved country in the world, and act like it doesn't matter what others think of us, only what God thinks of you, you have done something immoral. -- When you use hatred of homosexuals as a wedge issue to turn out record numbers of evangelical voters, and use the Constitution as a tool of discrimination, you are doing something immoral. -- When you favor the death penalty, and yet claim to be a follower of Jesus, who said an eye for an eye was the old way, not the way of the kingdom, you are doing something immoral. -- When you dismantle countless environmental laws designed to protect the earth, which is God's gift to us all, so that the corporations that bought and paid for your favors will make higher profits while our children breathe dirty air and live in a toxic world, you have done something immoral. The earth belongs to the Lord, not Halliburton. -- When you claim that our God is bigger than their God, and that our killing is righteous, while theirs is evil, we have begun to resemble the enemy we claim to be fighting, and that is immoral.We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us. - When you tell people that you intend to run and govern as a compassionate conservative, using the word which is the essence of all religious faith: compassion, and then show no compassion for anyone who disagrees with you, and no patience with those who cry to you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am guessing judy's view is imagination based also, but I invite her to explicitly dewscribe what she thinks a club looks like and what happens inside. If you think my view of strip clubs depends on what I think they look like and what happens inside--other than women dancing nude for men--you haven't understood my objection. But that's been obvious for a while now. And I have invited you to tell us what your objections are. Thus far you have just been dismissive, IMO, and said its too depressing to contemplate that in todays age an intelligent person doesn't understand how strip clubs objectify woman. I am afraid its not my nature to be guilt-tripped and slink away in shame when loaded terms are cast, if that is your intention. Maybe its not. Regardless, once and for all, explain your position. I am open to your views. I am not seeking to win arguments here, but am seeking understanding. Did you read my prior post on my view that society and media creates a strong fog of objectification in many. And in my experience, exotic dance clubs help in de-objectification -- that is helps some gain better balance of internal values one has for various attributes of women. To understand such a view does require a reality-based view of what occurs in upscale clubs. I infer, perhaps incorrectly, that your view is not close to reality based, but an imagination based-view. Thus what you believe goes on on strip clubs is relevant to the above point,IMO. But for starters, go ahead and explain your objection. It appears to be singularly based: women dancing nude for men, outside the context. If context is unimportant then it raises a lot of questions: Do you object to women dancng nude for an audience in a Broadway play? Do you object to Mardi Gras dancing of women for beads? I know, they are only topless for the most part, but so are the dancers in 80% of strip clubs. Do you object to women dancing topless, or flashing guys, at a college party? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ADM X2 Dual Core Processor 4400 2MB L2 Cache
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it just arrived via Fed Ex. I going to fire that baby up. Is that 4,400 MHZ !??? Is that a Mac? OffWorld Its 2.2 GHz. ADM tends to double the MHz for its model numbers because an ADM CPU at .5x MHz, tends to equal the performance of an Intel CPU at x Mhz. Due to its architecture. So, are these Archer Daniels Midland CPU's made of corn, soybeans, or wheat? Alex Yea. I was on a walk and it came to me did I say ADM? Guess its the power of all those ads on Meet the Press. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I think the real issue is that most Americans look down on strippers and other sex workers. They're just trying to hide their own prejudice behind the claim of exploitation and pretending to be outraged about it. That's *an issue*, but of course it's a function of the main issue, which so many of you seem unable to expand your understanding far enough to grasp. The puerility of the level on which this is being discussed by most here is just appalling. And yet you continue to fail to tell us what the main issue is. Please do so. Oblique references only go so far. And why not make specific arguements as to what issues are on the level of puerility. And why. To date you have only made implicit or implied suggestions as to the deficiencies of posters -- paraphrasing (its too depressing to contemplate that intelligent people..., so many of you seem unable to expand your understanding far enough to grasp. , the puerility of the level on which this is being discussed by most here is just appalling. Please actually make a point about the issues. Expand our awareness. Make a fact and reality-based case. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for 'Experts' in Vedic Culture
In the same way as other's describe; Maharishi is not born of a brahman family; but is Kyastra; warrior caste; And perhaps he stood out, even in the early days; With Guru Dev; that he would be the one to go out; And be the destoyer of ignorance; Which his name: Mahesh also is a derivative of Shiva; Destroyer of Ignorance... -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has always been my understanding too. MMY is not a Brahmin and therefor can not become a sannyasi and wear orange. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I can't say I'm an expert in Vedic culture my guess would be that since Mahesh was not from a twice-born caste he could NOT become a swami and therefore could not wear the saffron robes...but he could and did become a brahmacharin and thus wore white. It's a caste thing. On 9/12/05 8:57 PM, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this picture can anyone give an in-depth and precise definition and cultural/historical account of why Maharishi in this photo wears white, and everyone else is the orange sadhu color? Thanks. OffWorld http://www.maharishi.it/images/Personaggi/GuruDev/GuruDev_india_250.j pg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were then currently strippers. I'm curious - you seemed to have been saying that my (or anyone else's) opinion could not possibly have any value if I didn't know any strippers. Are you now going to take my statement that I do as proof that my opinion has value, or will you now display this as proof of how (and all those like me, of course) horrible I am to women and how much I dislike them? WEre they your friends, or were you sleeping with them? This warrants revisiting. One, sparaig seems to think that there of necessity has to be a difference. That's pretty sad in itself. Two, I think that anyone who has read his description of the strippers he's talked to know that they would *not* consider him to be a friend. He looks down upon them too much. Which strippers have I described? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/05 7:09 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but the idea that in this day and age there are still intelligent people who have to be educated as to how strip clubs exploit women as sex objects is just too depressing to contemplate. Amen. It's almost not worth responding to. Its not so much exploitation as it is distortion. Everyone gets affected, by what I've seen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/05 11:03 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting. the dark side of these people who try to pass themselves off as the latest guru. That tendency (to declare oneself a teacher or guru or enlightened) I tend to associate with nothing more than a refined and clever ego. I remember how disappointed I was when I found out that Charlie Lutes had loved to frequent strip clubs. This opens a question for inquiry, and I apply this to myself, too. Why would such behavior on Charlie's part bother us so much? He liked to look at naked women. Okay I have known other people in the past that I respect and admire that did the same thing from time to time. Why is it such a problem? H. Anyone who likes strip clubs does NOT like women. I don't know that like would be the operative word...maybe respect. Like I said, it's all about control and domination and subjugation of women--at least (IMO) it is an overriding theme. LIke as in 'like them as persons.' The worst misogynist in the world can like women in the sexual sense. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] The people being controlled and dominated and subjugated are the *men* around the stage. And *every* woman who works at one of these clubs knows it. Some actually get off on the level of control they have over the customers, playing with it. That's part of my point. Sit and *talk* with some of these women sometime. It might open your eyes to the possibility that this scene is not nearly as black-and-white as you think it is. Still part of my point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ADM X2 Dual Core Processor 4400 2MB L2 Cache
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/12/05 11:52 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have heat problems with all that speed? I have a fast PC (forget the speed and it's turned off at the moment) with hyperthreading and when it heats up, the CPU fan sounds like a jet engine. So I put several more fans in it, front and back. I've got a regular wind tunnel going in there, but it solved the problem. Is yours like a 2.8 Intel with hyperthreading? 3Ghz with hyperthreading. Per the ADM machine, no temp prob so far. But the night is young. But my case doesn not have temp readouts. The cpu fan is huge. And has copper coils running through it, as if for refrigerant. Maybe they have designed a sort of crude liquid cooling system. Some of the new G5 Macs have liquid cooling. The CPUs are encased in a liquid, but its not circulating -passive cooling. The CPUs heat up the liquid and the jillion fans cool down the container of liquid. I assume heat convection keeps the liquid circulating automatically. The top temperature i've seen in my dual- G5 is 168 F. [...] Cool. I have a fan in front that fits in a drive bay. It has two fans. One sucking air in; one blowing it out. Then the CPU and Power Supply fans. Then a regular case fan and another one I installed in one of the NuBus slots or whatever they're called in the back. So 6 fans altogether. G5's use PCI slots. The tower models have 9 fans already. YOu can download a utility (forget its name) that will monitor the temp and speed of fans and sensors in the box. It's fun to watch the temp rise as the CPUs get used. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
You prefer looking at women's bones as opposed to their breasts, do you? H Maybe Peter would have somethiing to say about that. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/05 10:57 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Vaj and I used to hit the Pop-a-Top in Ottumwa. That is, until I perfected the X-ray vision siddhi ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Lennon said it when he said Woman is the nigger of the world. OK. So how does that make a case that US dancers, in modern clubs, are exploited. This seems to be something you need to look into yourself if you have such questions. Being dismissive, doesn't really answer the question. When did Lennon say this? 1975? 30 years ago. Do you think its as true and relevant then as it is now? Is it an eternal truth? Clearly I think no to both. If you want to critic modern society based on a 30 year old view, ok, but it does not seem so productive. 30 years ago there was much gender discrimination. I see much less today. No existent on some levels. We claim to live in a country that idealizes equality--then how come half of congress aren't women? OK. Now I get you. Its a beautiful argument. US dancers, in modern clubs, are exploited because less than half of congress are not female. Ok I am indeed following you now! No, it does not appear you are following me. Male dominance and control are key elements in the worldwide exploitation of women. And thus women in modern exotic dance clubs are exploited? I still don't see the link. Its a logical fallacy. Shemp uses it sometimes. A) Men contol the power structures in many places B) Women in parts of the world are exploited by this. C) Women work in strip clubs D) Ergo, women in strip clubs are exploited. For a while, I had two women US senators, a woman congressmen, women in my state assembly and senate seats, woman mayor, and at the time, strong woman candidate for governor. Some parts of the country may elect men, where I live(d), there is no visible bias against women for elected office. You draw a correlation, and apparently a causal effect, between male dominance of power structures and exploitation of women in strip clubs. Therefore, does it follow that in my area, where there was no male dominance and control of power structures, and thus there was not this basis for the exploitation of women (indeed women dominated the power structures), does it follow, per your model and thinking, that women in strip clubs in my area were not exploited? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ADM X2 Dual Core Processor 4400 2MB L2 Cache
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/13/05 1:16 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have heat problems with all that speed? I have a fast PC (forget the speed and it's turned off at the moment) with hyperthreading and when it heats up, the CPU fan sounds like a jet engine. So I put several more fans in it, front and back. I've got a regular wind tunnel going in there, but it solved the problem. Hey nothing beats a dual-G5 for noise when it heats up. 9 fans, each software controlled. 2 processors, passive liquid cooling. You mean it's really noisy? The G5's I've seen were very quiet. But maybe they weren't dual and heated up. Yeah. They're cool until you start running a 3D graphics program or something, then RR. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am guessing judy's view is imagination based also, but I invite her to explicitly dewscribe what she thinks a club looks like and what happens inside. If you think my view of strip clubs depends on what I think they look like and what happens inside--other than women dancing nude for men--you haven't understood my objection. But that's been obvious for a while now. I've been in upscale clubs and sleezey joints at various times. I've been friends with women from all sorts of clubs. While some are more distasteful than others onthe surface, the core observations I have to them are the same accross the board. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
On 9/13/05 1:37 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Vaj, his view appears not-empirically based, or if it is, I am guessing its 20-30 years old. Which means that it has little to do with modern upscale club reality. And he appears highly influenced by media, fictional representations of clubs, like Bada Bing. While there may be a few Bada Bings in low population areas, or maybe in low rent areas of industrial towns, its a very old skewl, retro image. A dying breed. Nope, sorry, this is not the case. And your empirical experience is? Keep in mind, just because you make a place nicer looking does not mean the underlying motivations or causes change that much at all. An upscale place will still have people getting drunk and grabbing them, spilling beer, being verbally abusive, etc. Incidentally, the Bada Bing represents an urban setting--northern New Jersey, right next to NYC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/05 1:37 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Vaj, his view appears not-empirically based, or if it is, I am guessing its 20-30 years old. Which means that it has little to do with modern upscale club reality. And he appears highly influenced by media, fictional representations of clubs, like Bada Bing. While there may be a few Bada Bings in low population areas, or maybe in low rent areas of industrial towns, its a very old skewl, retro image. A dying breed. Nope, sorry, this is not the case. And your empirical experience is? Keep in mind, just because you make a place nicer looking does not mean the underlying motivations or causes change that much at all. An upscale place will still have people getting drunk and grabbing them, spilling beer, being verbally abusive, etc. Incidentally, the Bada Bing represents an urban setting--northern New Jersey, right next to NYC. The overt abuse is the least objectionable thing, IMHO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/05 7:09 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but the idea that in this day and age there are still intelligent people who have to be educated as to how strip clubs exploit women as sex objects is just too depressing to contemplate. Amen. It's almost not worth responding to. Nice dismissive answer. Now can you go beyond that and actually make a factual, current data and/or observation case as to why strip clubs exploit women as sex objects. I understand how one can make an imagination or TV-series based case for such. But I am talking about today's reality. And my case about the role of clubs in de-objectifying women in my experience. Women became partially objectified in my mind before I ever went to a strip club. They became less objectified after I went to a few. I know men of similar experience. So at minimum, universal claims of objectification are false. Can limited claims of objectification be made? Can you cite real life experience, personal or or friends, where they became more objectified after visiting strip clubs? Or controlled studies that explicitly show this. (None of your cited studies, beyond being quite ancient for the most part) do not appear to do this. If you can't then even a limited case can't be made. In that case, your case for objectification appears to be based solely on theory without any empirical evidence to support it. Theories are nice, but when outmoded, when they do no fit the data, they must be discarded. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
Oh come on, Judy. Your put-downs are awfully weak today. Didn't sleep well? Where's the true spitting venom you displayed so exhuberantly last night? Your fans will be disappointed... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I think the real issue is that most Americans look down on strippers and other sex workers. They're just trying to hide their own prejudice behind the claim of exploitation and pretending to be outraged about it. That's *an issue*, but of course it's a function of the main issue, which so many of you seem unable to expand your understanding far enough to grasp. The puerility of the level on which this is being discussed by most here is just appalling. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
Be careful, Akasha. You'll be accused of being a stupid, awful, terrible, did-I-mention-stupid clone of Cliff shortly... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I think the real issue is that most Americans look down on strippers and other sex workers. They're just trying to hide their own prejudice behind the claim of exploitation and pretending to be outraged about it. That's *an issue*, but of course it's a function of the main issue, which so many of you seem unable to expand your understanding far enough to grasp. The puerility of the level on which this is being discussed by most here is just appalling. And yet you continue to fail to tell us what the main issue is. Please do so. Oblique references only go so far. And why not make specific arguements as to what issues are on the level of puerility. And why. To date you have only made implicit or implied suggestions as to the deficiencies of posters -- paraphrasing (its too depressing to contemplate that intelligent people..., so many of you seem unable to expand your understanding far enough to grasp. , the puerility of the level on which this is being discussed by most here is just appalling. Please actually make a point about the issues. Expand our awareness. Make a fact and reality-based case. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
On 9/13/05 2:48 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Lennon said it when he said Woman is the nigger of the world. OK. So how does that make a case that US dancers, in modern clubs, are exploited. This seems to be something you need to look into yourself if you have such questions. Being dismissive, doesn't really answer the question. When did Lennon say this? 1975? 30 years ago. Do you think its as true and relevant then as it is now? Absolutely it is in a world scale. The events in the Stan's where 25% of the female population were sold into prostitution and/or slavery are AFTER that song, since the dissolution of the old Soviet Union. Is it an eternal truth? One would hope not! Clearly I think no to both. If you want to critic modern society based on a 30 year old view, ok, but it does not seem so productive. 30 years ago there was much gender discrimination. I see much less today. No existent on some levels. I some ways you are correct for the US for a few items. Women are still paid less than men. We claim to live in a country that idealizes equality--then how come half of congress aren't women? OK. Now I get you. Its a beautiful argument. US dancers, in modern clubs, are exploited because less than half of congress are not female. Ok I am indeed following you now! No, it does not appear you are following me. Male dominance and control are key elements in the worldwide exploitation of women. And thus women in modern exotic dance clubs are exploited? I still don't see the link. Its a logical fallacy. Shemp uses it sometimes. No, no, no. This is not trying to create a causal link between percentages of women in congress and exploitation in strip clubs--it's talking about the pervasiveness of inequality in a very patriarchal culture. big snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/05 1:37 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Vaj, his view appears not-empirically based, or if it is, I am guessing its 20-30 years old. Which means that it has little to do with modern upscale club reality. And he appears highly influenced by media, fictional representations of clubs, like Bada Bing. While there may be a few Bada Bings in low population areasor maybe in low rent areas of industrial towns, its a very old skewl, retro image. A dying breed. Nope, sorry, this is not the case. And your empirical experience is? A variety of upscale clubs in 8 or so metro areas. And your empirical evidence is? Are you talking about Maine? Keep in mind, just because you make a place nicer looking does not mean the underlying motivations or causes change that much at all. An upscale place will still have people getting drunk and grabbing them, spilling beer, being verbally abusive, etc. Please cite the upscale clubs where you have observed this? Its my observation that this occurs rarely, an when it does, guys are quicly escorted from the club, no discussion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'In Praise Of President Bush/Taking Responsibility'
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I think the real issue is that most Americans look down on strippers and other sex workers. They're just trying to hide their own prejudice behind the claim of exploitation and pretending to be outraged about it. That's *an issue*, but of course it's a function of the main issue, which so many of you seem unable to expand your understanding far enough to grasp. The puerility of the level on which this is being discussed by most here is just appalling. And yet you continue to fail to tell us what the main issue is. Please do so. Oblique references only go so far. And why not make specific arguements as to what issues are on the level of puerility. And why. To date you have only made implicit or implied suggestions as to the deficiencies of posters -- paraphrasing (its too depressing to contemplate that intelligent people..., so many of you seem unable to expand your understanding far enough to grasp. , the puerility of the level on which this is being discussed by most here is just appalling. Please actually make a point about the issues. Expand our awareness. Make a fact and reality-based case. If there is an issue here, it is how sexual images stimulate the draw of the senses, relative to the inner state of the mind. If the mind is weak, it is drawn out easily by the senses, obsessed by all of the tantalizing pleasures of the outer world, and losing itself in them. On the other hand, if the mind is balanced, then sexual images can be enjoyed without our losing ourselves in them. IMO, obsession is the hallmark of a weak mind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
On 9/13/05 2:58 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice dismissive answer. Now can you go beyond that and actually make a factual, current data and/or observation case as to why strip clubs exploit women as sex objects. Read the brief study abstract I posted. If you don't get it after reading that, I suspect you aren't going to or simply don't want to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am guessing judy's view is imagination based also, but I invite her to explicitly dewscribe what she thinks a club looks like and what happens inside. If you think my view of strip clubs depends on what I think they look like and what happens inside--other than women dancing nude for men--you haven't understood my objection. But that's been obvious for a while now. And I have invited you to tell us what your objections are. Thus far you have just been dismissive, IMO, and said its too depressing to contemplate that in todays age an intelligent person doesn't understand how strip clubs objectify woman. I am afraid its not my nature to be guilt-tripped and slink away in shame when loaded terms are cast, if that is your intention. Maybe its not. No, it's not my intention. Regardless, once and for all, explain your position. Honestly, I think it would be a waste of my time, given the detailed, carefully reasoned rationalizations in defense of strip clubs that folks have been putting forward. The position is too deeply embedded. I am open to your views. I am not seeking to win arguments here, but am seeking understanding. Well, but that's what I'm saying. I don't think you are (any more than I'm open to your views). And before anybody accuses me of copping out, yes, that's precisely what I'm doing. The fact that it's a battle that still needs to be fought depresses rather than inspires me. I just can't summon up the energy. Maybe some other time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
Just popped in to take a break and look around. Found this thread. Just curious if Akasha and others might address the question of why he/they experience such strong emotional energy around this subject as to feel compelled to write long defenses of his/their positions or critiques of others'. So some people like strip clubs and others don't. Big deal. And what's wrong or new about different people having different values, beliefs or experiences? Thank goodness people have options. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/05 1:37 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Vaj, his view appears not-empirically based, or if it is, I am guessing its 20-30 years old. Which means that it has little to do with modern upscale club reality. And he appears highly influenced by media, fictional representations of clubs, like Bada Bing. While there may be a few Bada Bings in low population areasor maybe in low rent areas of industrial towns, its a very old skewl, retro image. A dying breed. Nope, sorry, this is not the case. And your empirical experience is? A variety of upscale clubs in 8 or so metro areas. And your empirical evidence is? Are you talking about Maine? Keep in mind, just because you make a place nicer looking does not mean the underlying motivations or causes change that much at all. An upscale place will still have people getting drunk and grabbing them, spilling beer, being verbally abusive, etc. Please cite the upscale clubs where you have observed this? Its my observation that this occurs rarely, an when it does, guys are quicly escorted from the club, no discussion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'In Praise Of President Bush/Taking Responsibility'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our Baby Boomer generation; Has been branded, in the past; For being irresponsible; And perhaps President Bush; Had developed that habit himself; Nonetheless, it is heartening to hear; That he has decided to take responsibility now; As this is the ground on where to begin an honest governance. So, I praise President Bush, for the bravery; Of taking personal responsibility for recovery efforts; In the immediate hours following Hurricane Katrina. R.Gimbel Seattle,WA. He is trying to deflect his low poll numbers. Also, a story came out today around the same time as Mr. Bush's mea culpa, regarding the White House being 'concerned about natural gas shortages', as a result of Katrina. It looks to me as if they are attempting another effort at swaying public opinion in favor of drilling in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge, and possibly off the coast of California. So be vigilant when Bush appears to be conceding something. Let those whose master he is praise him. The rest of us should watch him very carefully. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/05 2:58 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice dismissive answer. Now can you go beyond that and actually make a factual, current data and/or observation case as to why strip clubs exploit women as sex objects. Read the brief study abstract I posted. If you don't get it after reading that, I suspect you aren't going to or simply don't want to. I have read it. I read it 2 years ago. I read it yesterdy before you posted it. It is laughable. I will post why later. If that article is how you got it, its getting all pretty clear that you have little or no experience in upscale clubs, and that you will and do use weak limited data and extropolate to broad universals. No wonder we tend to disagree on this topic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If there is an issue here, it is how sexual images stimulate the draw of the senses, relative to the inner state of the mind. If the mind is weak, it is drawn out easily by the senses, obsessed by all of the tantalizing pleasures of the outer world, and losing itself in them. On the other hand, if the mind is balanced, then sexual images can be enjoyed without our losing ourselves in them. IMO, obsession is the hallmark of a weak mind. Any obsession is indicative of a deep attachment. Sex has very deep impressions in the mind. These attachments are both compulsive and adversive. So whether you are a puritan or a satyr, you're attached. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think my view of strip clubs depends on what I think they look like and what happens inside--other than women dancing nude for men--you haven't understood my objection. But that's been obvious for a while now. And I have invited you to tell us what your objections are. Thus far you have just been dismissive, IMO, and said its too depressing to contemplate that in todays age an intelligent person doesn't understand how strip clubs objectify woman. I am afraid its not my nature to be guilt-tripped and slink away in shame when loaded terms are cast, if that is your intention. Maybe its not. No, it's not my intention. Regardless, once and for all, explain your position. Honestly, I think it would be a waste of my time, given the detailed, carefully reasoned rationalizations in defense of strip clubs that folks have been putting forward. The position is too deeply embedded. My views are not intrachably embedded. They are based on my experience that clubs produced a de-objectifying effect, they decreased my existing levels of internal objectification of women. They did not increase them. And I observed no exploitation of women. But if you have compellng insights, data, observations or models that better explain what I have seen, I will quicly change. I am open to your views. I am not seeking to win arguments here, but am seeking understanding. Well, but that's what I'm saying. I don't think you are (any more than I'm open to your views). I am really not here to win arguments. The only winning for me is a deeper understanding of things. And sometimes thats found on the other side of the fence from where I started. I am seeking understanding and new insights. Quite so. None of my views are laid in cement. And my identity is not at all tied to my views or their correctness. I change my views regularly when I get new information or conceptual models. And before anybody accuses me of copping out, yes, that's precisely what I'm doing. The fact that it's a battle that still needs to be fought depresses rather than inspires me. I just can't summon up the energy. Maybe some other time. Ok. I look forward to it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
