[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Shri Shri Ravi Shankar/Sell Techniques of Maharishi Maheshi Yogi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this man, from India, who looks like Maharishi, when he was younger; really? Did he get the techniques he sells, from Maharishi no ... Well the TM technique, we know for sure, he got from Maharishi He doesn't teach TM ... But what about this 'breath' technique, where does that come from... I say, from my observation, it comes from his observing Maharishi breath; SriSri showed me it once in the 80's.No. While in Samahdhi... While I was on the video team, taping Maharishi in Fairfield; Back in the Day, (we thought they'd never end!), Anyway, I would look at him, sitting on the couch; And he would be barely breathing with his eyes closed; Its nothing like that. I can see, how through observation, one could come up, With a breath technique, that would mimic- A Holy Man's breathing, Maharishi's breath... R.G. A friend of mine has taken the whole SRI SRI program. it is incompatable with Maharishi's teaching. - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Eco-Friendly Ganesh Festival - Celebrating this Ganesh Festival in an Environment friendly way.
Dear friends, Ganesh Festival is celebrated with great enthusiasm in the whole world. Specially in Maharastra its has a special meaning where people waits whole year for this. Gayatri Pariwar Youth Group Pune has decided to celebrate this year Ganesh Festival in way to spread our culture and heritage to different sections of society and also to awake people about the pollution and its possible remedies. Please be a part of this noble mission. Thank'sGPYG Pune[EMAIL PROTECTED] See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd wrote: I know TM-Teachers that really want to participate the Course, and has never touched any other spiritual leader, than MMY. But they can not go, because they have to be accepted by the national Course Office, and to sign a stupid Agreement Form with the TMO, which they do not want to sign. What is in the Agreement Form that makes it so onerous to sign? It is one made for Norway - I do not know about other countries. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Ingegerd wrote: I know TM-Teachers that really want to participate the Course, and has never touched any other spiritual leader, than MMY. But they can not go, because they have to be accepted by the national Course Office, and to sign a stupid Agreement Form with the TMO, which they do not want to sign. What is in the Agreement Form that makes it so onerous to sign? It is one made for Norway - I do not know about other countries. Ingegerd So, have you already given us a translation? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The flower of Kurikka (Kurikan kukka)?
http://www.loituma.info/ Beats my why that has become a worldwide hit... The only actual words I can hear are Kurikan kukka and Kipikan(?) kuu (Moon of Kipikka?). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Definition of a Terrorist'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now the Israelis, have to fight the dirty work; of neutralizing this demon force. Perhaps if Israel (Americas proxy) hadn't indulged in so much dirty work in the past we wouldn't have the trouble we are in now. So, how does this end up. By past experience: just like Hiroshima, and Nagasaki?? I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to attack Israel directly hence the support for Hezbollah Robert Gimbel Seattle,WA. - Groups are talking. Weacute;re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Ingegerd wrote: I know TM-Teachers that really want to participate the Course, and has never touched any other spiritual leader, than MMY. But they can not go, because they have to be accepted by the national Course Office, and to sign a stupid Agreement Form with the TMO, which they do not want to sign. What is in the Agreement Form that makes it so onerous to sign? It is one made for Norway - I do not know about other countries. Ingegerd So, have you already given us a translation? I do not have the translation in english - . It is a one-page agreement form - which says the usual stuff - that MGANL have all the rights to teach out MMY Vedic Science incl. Transcendental Meditation, and that all other Agreements signed between TMO and the TM-Teacher counts as well. The Agreement can be cancelled of both parts - both the TM-Teacher and the TMO in Norway (a board where both TM-Teachers and Sidhas can be members) The TM-Teacher is not allowed to talk about how the organisation is runned incl. finances - and promise to be loyal to the organisations goal and how it is runned. These are the main points. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!
It is completely OK to sign an Agreement.Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" jpgillam@ wrote: --- Ingegerd wrote: I know TM-Teachers that really want to participate the Course, and has never touched any other spiritual leader, than MMY. But they can not go, because they have to be accepted by the national Course Office, and to sign a stupid Agreement Form with the TMO, which they do not want to sign. What is in the Agreement Form that makes it so onerous to sign?It is one made for Norway - I do not know about other countries. Ingegerd So, have you already given us a translation?I do not have the translation in english - . It is a one-page agreement form - which says the usual stuff - that MGANL have all the rights to teach out MMY Vedic Science incl. Transcendental Meditation, and that all other Agreements signed between TMO and the TM-Teacher counts as well.The Agreement can be cancelled of both parts - both the TM-Teacher and the TMO in Norway (a board where both TM-Teachers and Sidhas can be members)The TM-Teacher is not allowed to talk about how the organisation is runned incl. finances - and promise to be loyal to the organisations goal and how it is runned.These are the main points.Ingegerd Groups are talking. Were listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ivica Kosti#263; [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is completely OK to sign an Agreement. Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Ingegerd wrote: I know TM-Teachers that really want to participate the Course, and has never touched any other spiritual leader, than MMY. But they can not go, because they have to be accepted by the national Course Office, and to sign a stupid Agreement Form with the TMO, which they do not want to sign. What is in the Agreement Form that makes it so onerous to sign? It is one made for Norway - I do not know about other countries. Ingegerd So, have you already given us a translation? I do not have the translation in english - . It is a one-page agreement form - which says the usual stuff - that MGANL have all the rights to teach out MMY Vedic Science incl. Transcendental Meditation, and that all other Agreements signed between TMO and the TM-Teacher counts as well. The Agreement can be cancelled of both parts - both the TM-Teacher and the TMO in Norway (a board where both TM-Teachers and Sidhas can be members) The TM-Teacher is not allowed to talk about how the organisation is runned incl. finances - and promise to be loyal to the organisations goal and how it is runned. These are the main points. Ingegerd As TM-Teachers, we have signed a lot of Agreements Forma through the years. The TMO is almost papanoia about Agreement Forms - how to tie people to the TMO. Now, when I am out of it - I can see that the TMO is run by fear. Ingegerd - Groups are talking. Weacute;re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Definition of a Terrorist'
(snip) Perhaps if Israel (Americas proxy) hadn't indulged in so much dirty work in the past we wouldn't have the trouble we are in now. (snip) So, how does this end up. By past experience: just like Hiroshima, and Nagasaki?? I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to attack Israel directly hence the support for Hezbollah Well, let's see; Israel was created in the aftermath; Of the Holocaust, in Europe, after 2,000 years of exile; And in attempting to defend it's borders; Had to indulge in wars as it is now. Being attacked this time, by Hezbollah, with rockets; Supplied by Iran. The President of Iran, has said, many times; That he wants to destroy Israel, as is the goal of Iranian sponsored, Hezbollah, a Shiite form of Radical Islamic Facist Extremist. Now, Israel, had many nukes in it's arsenal. It had the total support of the Bush Administration. It has satellite help, and will have help, if it is necessary to protect itself against Iran. Iran, has said it is 'Reconsidering' the American proposal due in a couple of weeks. Iran can't really be trusted anyway, after it has said what it's intentions are. So, this whole thing with Hezbollah, in Lebanon, and the Israeli invasion, could just be a prerequsite, of bombing Iran, at least the nuke facilities there. I really don't see any other conclusion at the present time. And if Hezbollah is using rockets to bomb Israel now; And Iran supplies a nuke to Hezbollah- Well, you can see what I mean... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Deepak Chopra/Give Maharishi Any Credit, Ever?'
He used to, then he broke with M. Somewhere in between we realized (or already saw) where M. was stealing the info. from: his pundits. We did?? What evidence do we have of this? Since he's not fluent in Sanskrit, he has to have help with the translation. This is ripping the pundits off, according to Vaj... Oh, so, if Maharishi need a translator, because he was studying physics, and becoming enlightened, instead of studying Sanskrit; We have to hold this against him, and consider this stealing. Please, please give the old man a break! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, I am not familiar with Fairfield life, but wouldn't you rather be with Maharishi than some Indian lady, even if she is doing some good? How can the little good she is doing compare with total reconstruction of life on earth--and Maharishi's letting us be part of it with him. Apparently you're not in the habit of examining your underlying assumptions and judgments. I've been consciously trying to culture that habit for several years. Almost everyone has layer upon layer of them, and their worldview is deeply conditioned by them. In your case, it appears that you harbor the what I'm doing is the best, and therefore everyone else's path and teacher are inferior by comparison attitude. This is common in religious and spiritual groups, and is really nothing more than a tactic the ego uses to preserve and inflate itself, thus postponing it's annihilation (enlightenment). You might try Byron Katie: http://www.thework.com. She presents a simple system of discriminative analysis that's very effective in cutting through the inner bullshit. It's amazing. She's not another system, is she? Isn't she just someone who goes around and tries to inspire people to be happier? Like describing Maharishi as a cute little guy who giggles and holds flowers. Is Irene really into it? Very much so. John Hagelin said for everyone to apply and if their application wasn't coming through in a timely manner to send an email directly to him and he'd take care of it. It's worth a try. And especially since you are his teacher!! He told the story of how you came into his hospital room and told him about TM at Maharishi School at graduation or something. He admires you. And I admire him. I don't admire his callous womanizing, his drunk driving conviction, etc., but he has a great intellect, and basically a very good heart. He's a sincere seeker, but he seems to have his work cut out for him, dealing with his shadow. You have such a fine intellect and you are such an important part of this community. I think it would be a wonderful opportunity. It's pretty amazing to be lying in the dome after second round and have Maharishi call and ask for experiences and go deeply into them--sometimes in terms of Vedic Science, other times in just a simple but profound way. Even if I wanted to go, which I don't, they wouldn't let me in without a major inquisition, which I wouldn't submit to for one second, unless they wanted to be subjected to one as well. And I wouldn't want to do that to them. I know things about Maharishi and the movement that I don't foist upon people still dedicated to them. I think it's wrong to disillusion people unless they want to be disillusioned. When you think about it, the word has a positive connotation. To be enlightened is to be dis-illusioned. Part of my examining underlying assumptions attitude is the simple desire to know the truth about things. This hasn't led to a negative attitude, as my tone above might imply, but rather, to what I consider a balanced one. We don't live in a black and white universe. TM-Ex people (if such still exist) have traded one fanaticism for another. They've swung to the other end of the spectrum. The truth of the matter is represented by the entire spectrum, and believe me, it is stranger than you might imagine. Really a stretch coming to terms with it, but then, that's good too, because Brahman incorporates all paradoxes. That's why the Puranas are full of them. Rick Really nice, thoughtful reply, Rick. Re the part about not wanting to disillusion people unless they want to be disillusioned - I agree with you, bit I do wonder how people will feel when the books about inappropriate sexual conduct come out? There will be lots of denial, but I also wonder if eventually people will be angry that secrets were kept for so many years. Some people have NO idea about this stuff and it will be difficult to reconcile with a lifetime of devotion. Devotion is black and white, rarely gray. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Deepak Chopra/Give Maharishi Any Credit, Ever?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Aug 3, 2006, at 7:33 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He used to, then he broke with M. Somewhere in between we realized (or already saw) where M. was stealing the info. from: his pundits. The glassy eyed students assumed M. was cognizing it (LOL)! BTW, this answers your previous question about SSRS (albeit his pranayama technique, which is not only his own, but also deeply backed by shruti and smrti). M. dissed this pranayama method, which has since surpassed TM! Go figure. There are more Christians in the world than Buddhists. What conclusions should we draw from this? People prefer a guy dying on a torture device to enlightenment? And people prefer hyperventilating to transcending? Yes, I was wondering the same thing; Like the 'Re-birthing technique of the seventies and eighties; And Lenard Orr, said he got the technique from Babaji; And it gave people this really intense experience- The hands would get numb, the brain would get super oxigated; And you might even experience something that would be framed as: 'Going back to your birth- to heal the birthing experience' So, lot's of pranayama techniques have been marketing before. Shri Shri Ravi Shankar isn't the first, to sell a technique; And if he got it from the Shrutis and the Smirtis- Is this technique spelled out there? Exactly how does it back up Ravi's technique? And where did Ravi, pick up this name- Is he trying to associate himself with the Beatles; And George Harrison, who studied with Ravi Shankar? And the really important question of them all. Has anyone become enlightened, under the guidance; Of Shr Shr Ravi Shankar? R.G. Ravi Shankar got his name from his mother and father. They were very big Beatle fans and ran a sports bar in Bangalore. Ah, I see, a sports bar in Bangalore; Did you get the address, I'm wondering if I could stop by; Or if it's still there, next time I'm in Bangalore.. R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'While Rome Burns?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/3/06 11:08 PM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This tale reminds me of the days of Rome; When the people were too preoccupied with other things... To save their glorious empire state. So, this news of the day; Of many people not going to program in the dome; Is very sad... That Maharishi would request only a few people, really.. When you think of the number, it's so small, really... A couple of thousand people, barely nothing; Compared to the Country, compared to the World. Very sad... R.G. So why aren¹t you here? Good Question.. Right now, I'm attempting to escape from my current co-dependent relationship; Wish me luck!- Or is it a matter of will-(?)free-will, remember that? In any case; I hope I get to see you guys soon... R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Ingegerd wrote: I know TM-Teachers that really want to participate the Course, and has never touched any other spiritual leader, than MMY. But they can not go, because they have to be accepted by the national Course Office, and to sign a stupid Agreement Form with the TMO, which they do not want to sign. What is in the Agreement Form that makes it so onerous to sign? It is one made for Norway - I do not know about other countries. Ingegerd So, have you already given us a translation? I do not have the translation in english - . It is a one-page agreement form - which says the usual stuff - that MGANL have all the rights to teach out MMY Vedic Science incl. Transcendental Meditation, and that all other Agreements signed between TMO and the TM-Teacher counts as well. The Agreement can be cancelled of both parts - both the TM-Teacher and the TMO in Norway (a board where both TM-Teachers and Sidhas can be members) The TM-Teacher is not allowed to talk about how the organisation is runned incl. finances - and promise to be loyal to the organisations goal and how it is runned. These are the main points. Ingegerd Dryly: the stuff cults are made of. Did they require you to sign away rights to any patents you come up with while an employee? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Hi Rick, I am not familiar with Fairfield life, but wouldn't you rather be with Maharishi than some Indian lady, even if she is doing some good? How can the little good she is doing compare with total reconstruction of life on earth--and Maharishi's letting us be part of it with him. Apparently you're not in the habit of examining your underlying assumptions and judgments. I've been consciously trying to culture that habit for several years. Almost everyone has layer upon layer of them, and their worldview is deeply conditioned by them. In your case, it appears that you harbor the what I'm doing is the best, and therefore everyone else's path and teacher are inferior by comparison attitude. This is common in religious and spiritual groups, and is really nothing more than a tactic the ego uses to preserve and inflate itself, thus postponing it's annihilation (enlightenment). You might try Byron Katie: http://www.thework.com. She presents a simple system of discriminative analysis that's very effective in cutting through the inner bullshit. It's amazing. She's not another system, is she? Isn't she just someone who goes around and tries to inspire people to be happier? Like describing Maharishi as a cute little guy who giggles and holds flowers. Is Irene really into it? Very much so. John Hagelin said for everyone to apply and if their application wasn't coming through in a timely manner to send an email directly to him and he'd take care of it. It's worth a try. And especially since you are his teacher!! He told the story of how you came into his hospital room and told him about TM at Maharishi School at graduation or something. He admires you. And I admire him. I don't admire his callous womanizing, his drunk driving conviction, etc., but he has a great intellect, and basically a very good heart. He's a sincere seeker, but he seems to have his work cut out for him, dealing with his shadow. You have such a fine intellect and you are such an important part of this community. I think it would be a wonderful opportunity. It's pretty amazing to be lying in the dome after second round and have Maharishi call and ask for experiences and go deeply into them--sometimes in terms of Vedic Science, other times in just a simple but profound way. Even if I wanted to go, which I don't, they wouldn't let me in without a major inquisition, which I wouldn't submit to for one second, unless they wanted to be subjected to one as well. And I wouldn't want to do that to them. I know things about Maharishi and the movement that I don't foist upon people still dedicated to them. I think it's wrong to disillusion people unless they want to be disillusioned. When you think about it, the word has a positive connotation. To be enlightened is to be dis-illusioned. Part of my examining underlying assumptions attitude is the simple desire to know the truth about things. This hasn't led to a negative attitude, as my tone above might imply, but rather, to what I consider a balanced one. We don't live in a black and white universe. TM-Ex people (if such still exist) have traded one fanaticism for another. They've swung to the other end of the spectrum. The truth of the matter is represented by the entire spectrum, and believe me, it is stranger than you might imagine. Really a stretch coming to terms with it, but then, that's good too, because Brahman incorporates all paradoxes. That's why the Puranas are full of them. Rick Really nice, thoughtful reply, Rick. Re the part about not wanting to disillusion people unless they want to be disillusioned - I agree with you, bit I do wonder how people will feel when the books about inappropriate sexual conduct come out? There will be lots of denial, but I also wonder if eventually people will be angry that secrets were kept for so many years. Some people have NO idea about this stuff and it will be difficult to reconcile with a lifetime of devotion. Devotion is black and white, rarely gray. So, sex is OK for everyone else, but not MMY? Assuming that the books actually get published, of course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Shri Shri Ravi Shankar/Sell Techniques of Maharishi Maheshi Yogi?
On Aug 4, 2006, at 1:59 AM, shukra69 wrote:A friend of mine has taken the whole SRI SRI program. it is incompatable with Maharishi's teaching. Incompatible in what way?We have a number of SSRI initiates here: is it really incompatible? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] 'Bush Stands Clearly At Israel's Side'
Of all the rude remarks, and innuendos, made against the President; By myself, and many others on the Left... Let me say for myself, that I am pleased, and impressed, With President Bush's stand beside Israel, in this most pressing time; In the history of the Jewish people. And for all the lack of wisdom in the Iraq invasion; Which we all pray, that we can overcome, in the days ahead; I am certainly glad we have a President now; Now stands by Israel, in an evangelical way; Perhaps inspired by his mentor, Billy Graham; Or perhaps by Sharon, who knows? But thanks God for this Holy bond. R.G. Seattle,WA. See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Deepak Chopra/Give Maharishi Any Credit, Ever?'
On Aug 4, 2006, at 6:35 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: He used to, then he broke with M. Somewhere in between we realized (or already saw) where M. was stealing the info. from: his pundits. We did?? What evidence do we have of this? Since he's not fluent in Sanskrit, he has to have help with the translation. This is ripping the pundits off, according to Vaj... Oh, so, if Maharishi need a translator, because he was studying physics, and becoming enlightened, instead of studying Sanskrit; We have to hold this against him, and consider this stealing. Please, please give the old man a break! No, he rarely credits source texts he is paraphrasing or expounding on. People end up assuming he "cognized it". This seems to be deliberate. This is often mixed in with the false idea that he actually is a rishi because of the assumed name. The most infamous example would be "AGNI" and the unfoldment of Vedic literature, etc., etc. Can anyone name the source text? Thought it was "cognized" or part of the mysterious Apaurushaya Bhasya? Think again. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Ingegerd wrote: I know TM-Teachers that really want to participate the Course, and has never touched any other spiritual leader, than MMY. But they can not go, because they have to be accepted by the national Course Office, and to sign a stupid Agreement Form with the TMO, which they do not want to sign. What is in the Agreement Form that makes it so onerous to sign? It is one made for Norway - I do not know about other countries. Ingegerd So, have you already given us a translation? I do not have the translation in english - . It is a one-page agreement form - which says the usual stuff - that MGANL have all the rights to teach out MMY Vedic Science incl. Transcendental Meditation, and that all other Agreements signed between TMO and the TM-Teacher counts as well. The Agreement can be cancelled of both parts - both the TM- Teacher and the TMO in Norway (a board where both TM-Teachers and Sidhas can be members) The TM-Teacher is not allowed to talk about how the organisation is runned incl. finances - and promise to be loyal to the organisations goal and how it is runned. These are the main points. Ingegerd Dryly: the stuff cults are made of. Did they require you to sign away rights to any patents you come up with while an employee? I have sent the Agreements forms in English to FFL earlier - maybe you can find them and read them by yourself. I do not want to go through the Forms once again - because I have laid it behind me. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Deepak Chopra/Give Maharishi Any Credit, Ever?'
On Aug 3, 2006, at 9:53 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 3, 2006, at 8:10 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He used to, then he broke with M. Somewhere in between we realized (or already saw) where M. was stealing the info. from: his pundits. We did?? What evidence do we have of this? Should have been "he". That's why he claims to revere him as his master... Actually (if you're referring to SSRS) his bio says he had many teachers. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
I agree with you, bit I do wonder how people will feel when the books about inappropriate sexual conduct come out? There will be lots of denial, but I also wonder if eventually people will be angry that secrets were kept for so many years. Some people have NO idea about this stuff and it will be difficult to reconcile with a lifetime of devotion. Devotion is black and white, rarely gray. Why should that be a problem with anyone ? If it is true. Maharishi is a master, but I have no problem whatsover with the idea that he might have been active in that area. The only people I think could get angry is the americans who have such a huge problem with sexuality. Look what they did to Clinton just because he was having some fun. The french President Mitterand had a mistress and a daughter. Everyone new that, but did the french care ? No. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Definition of a Terrorist'
In a message dated 8/4/06 5:34:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, this whole thing with Hezbollah, in Lebanon, and the Israeli invasion, could just be a prerequsite, of bombing Iran, at least the nuke facilities there.I really don't see any other conclusion at the present time.And if Hezbollah is using rockets to bomb Israel now;And Iran supplies a nuke to Hezbollah-Well, you can see what I mean... Syria will get involved before long and probably attack Israel with WMD's of some sort and Israel will counter with the Sampson response. See Isaiah 17. "Lo' Damascus is in ruins. Nothing but rubble where only sheep wonder through the streets." And the war will continue. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Sponsorship Bias in Scientific Studies
Relevance for MUM /TMO salaried researchers. Simply Disclosing Funds Behind Studies May Not Erase Bias By SHIRLEY S. WANG August 4, 2006; Page A11 WSJ Think you can't be bought for the price of a pen? Neither do most people. But we can be notoriously poor at judging ourselves, and our honesty, psychologists say. For example, biomedical researchers reprimanded for failing to disclose financial ties to companies whose drugs or medical devices they study seem baffled over what they did wrong. In the past few weeks, several top journals have published corrections noting that authors of papers failed to reveal they had served as paid consultants or speakers for companies whose products they studied, often receiving thousands of dollars. Such conflicts of interest are emerging as a major concern in research. Studies show that even small gifts create feelings of obligation, and that those feelings can influence subsequent decisions, so why do many researchers feel they're immune to conflicts of interest? Just as we fool ourselves into thinking we're more ethical, kind and generous than we are, so scientists can be blind to the very real possibility that their work is inappropriately influenced by financial ties. These psychological processes usually operate so subtly that people aren't aware that such ties can bias their judgment. Receiving gifts and money creates the desire, often unconscious, to give something back, says Max Bazerman of Harvard Business School. Even small gifts can have an influence. Charities that send out free address labels, for example, get more in donations than those that don't. Customers who are given a 50-cent key chain at a pharmacy spend substantially more in the store. Conflicts can be hard to recognize, because cognitive bias comes into play. The mind has an enormous ability to see the world as we want, says Dr. Bazerman. We are more likely to scrutinize information when it's inconsistent with how we want to see things, something psychologists call motivated skepticism. If a study about an anticipated new drug is sponsored by the manufacturer, we don't kick into a higher gear of criticism, says psychologist David Dunning of Cornell University. We just accept the findings if they are positive, without digging too hard for possible flaws in methodology or statistics. Studies of psychiatric drugs by researchers with a financial conflict of interest -- receiving speaking fees, owning stock, or being employed by the manufacturer -- are nearly five times as likely to find benefits in taking the drugs as studies by researchers who don't receive money from the industry, according to a review of 162 studies published last year in the American Journal of Psychiatry. Studies that the industry funded, but in which the researchers had no other financial ties, didn't have significantly different results than nonindustry-funded studies. Studies can be designed in ways that boost the likelihood that results will come out a certain way, says Lisa Bero of the University of California, San Francisco. A new treatment can be compared with a placebo, instead of with a treatment already in use, making finding a significant statistical difference between the two more likely. Dosage and timing of medications, which make a big difference in their effectiveness and side effects, can also be manipulated, she says. While studies in reputable journals are reviewed by experts in the field prior to publication, data require interpretation, which opens the door to subjectivity. If the numbers don't show an overall benefit of a drug, for instance, scientists with financial ties to the company might dig deeper to find one, perhaps to one small group, say, white women over 50 years of age. Because it's rare for studies to show that one variable clearly causes an outcome, there's always room for doubt. Conflicted individuals, says Prof. Bazerman, continue to have doubts long after objective observers are convinced by the evidence, as when some tobacco executives refused to admit that smoking is related to risk of cancer. But simply disclosing financial ties, as many journals require of authors, may not help. In fact, it may make things worse. For one thing, readers don't know how much, if at all, a conflict has skewed the reported results. In a 2005 experiment done by Harvard's Daylian Cain and colleagues, volunteers were given advice about how much money was in a jar of coins. In some cases, the advisers were unconflicted, and the volunteers used the advice to make good guesses about the coins (which they saw only fleetingly and from a distance). In other cases, the advisers had a monetary incentive to overestimate the value of the coins. The volunteers knew this, and adjusted the advice downward. But they didn't adjust enough, and overestimated the value. Disclosure poses another problem: It may unconsciously tempt researchers to exaggerate their findings or put an even more pro-company spin on
[FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] 'Information on Hasan Nasrallah/Head of Hezbollah'
(snip) I have found an August 31, 1960 birthdate for Hassan Nasrallah...If this is correct, it shows Saturn in Capricorn (retrograde),Jupiter in Sagittarius and Mercury in Virgo - three planets in theirown signs, very strong. Using Marc Edmund Jones's patterns, thechart looks like a bucket with Saturn in high focus, leaning wildlyforward, that is, someone with a strong missionary zeal to rightpast wrongs (Saturn retrograde in its own sign). But he is pushinghardily into the future with that past burden as the ballastcarrying him forward.It is surprising that the "natural disposition" would be commonrather than cardinal, suggesting that he does care about people morethan politics per se - perhaps particular individuals who have beenvictims of political violence loom large in his consciousness and hewants to avenge them.His Mars at 18 Gemini is very close to the U. S. Mars at 20
Gemini.This point, and its opposite in Sagittarius, seems often to come upin apolcalytic or other peculiarly tragic political events, such asthe assassination of JFK when Mars was at 20 Sagittarius.This is a pretty sketchy statement. I thank you for the questionbecause otherwise I might never have checked on his chart.Interesting that he has a reputation for "doing what he says" andthat could be the three planets in their own signs ("enthroned" isthe term I like). This past week he said that if the Israelisstopped bombing for two days he would follow suit, and he did thatexactly.Mars as the planet of oriental appearance (that one out of Mercury,Venus, the moon and Mars which rises closest to the sun on the dayof birth) suggests his military, or militant, role perhaps.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Sponsorship Bias in Scientific Studies
One wonders if this would even be magnified by a guru-disciple relationship or by a followers' mentality which associates good reports of the followers' meditation technique (or any technique) with being a good disciple, adjusting to the guru's thinking, etc.? In other words if you're a good disciple-sidha, you'll give glowing results on a questionnaire or with any self-reporting; even more-so if scientific research is used as part of indoctrination, marketing and woven into the teaching itself. Same of course goes for researchers working for the guru: the guru-disciple relationship magnifies bias, even if the guru is not insisting on some specific result you must find. On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:19 AM, new.morning wrote: Relevance for MUM /TMO salaried researchers. Simply Disclosing Funds Behind Studies May Not Erase Bias By SHIRLEY S. WANG August 4, 2006; Page A11 WSJ Think you can't be bought for the price of a pen? Neither do most people. But we can be notoriously poor at judging ourselves, and our honesty, psychologists say. For example, biomedical researchers reprimanded for failing to disclose financial ties to companies whose drugs or medical devices they study seem baffled over what they did wrong. In the past few weeks, several top journals have published corrections noting that authors of papers failed to reveal they had served as paid consultants or speakers for companies whose products they studied, often receiving thousands of dollars. Such conflicts of interest are emerging as a major concern in research. Studies show that even small gifts create feelings of obligation, and that those feelings can influence subsequent decisions, so why do many researchers feel they're immune to conflicts of interest? Just as we fool ourselves into thinking we're more ethical, kind and generous than we are, so scientists can be blind to the very real possibility that their work is inappropriately influenced by financial ties. These psychological processes usually operate so subtly that people aren't aware that such ties can bias their judgment. Receiving gifts and money creates the desire, often unconscious, to give something back, says Max Bazerman of Harvard Business School. Even small gifts can have an influence. Charities that send out free address labels, for example, get more in donations than those that don't. Customers who are given a 50-cent key chain at a pharmacy spend substantially more in the store. Conflicts can be hard to recognize, because cognitive bias comes into play. The mind has an enormous ability to see the world as we want, says Dr. Bazerman. We are more likely to scrutinize information when it's inconsistent with how we want to see things, something psychologists call motivated skepticism. If a study about an anticipated new drug is sponsored by the manufacturer, we don't kick into a higher gear of criticism, says psychologist David Dunning of Cornell University. We just accept the findings if they are positive, without digging too hard for possible flaws in methodology or statistics. Studies of psychiatric drugs by researchers with a financial conflict of interest -- receiving speaking fees, owning stock, or being employed by the manufacturer -- are nearly five times as likely to find benefits in taking the drugs as studies by researchers who don't receive money from the industry, according to a review of 162 studies published last year in the American Journal of Psychiatry. Studies that the industry funded, but in which the researchers had no other financial ties, didn't have significantly different results than nonindustry-funded studies. Studies can be designed in ways that boost the likelihood that results will come out a certain way, says Lisa Bero of the University of California, San Francisco. A new treatment can be compared with a placebo, instead of with a treatment already in use, making finding a significant statistical difference between the two more likely. Dosage and timing of medications, which make a big difference in their effectiveness and side effects, can also be manipulated, she says. While studies in reputable journals are reviewed by experts in the field prior to publication, data require interpretation, which opens the door to subjectivity. If the numbers don't show an overall benefit of a drug, for instance, scientists with financial ties to the company might dig deeper to find one, perhaps to one small group, say, white women over 50 years of age. Because it's rare for studies to show that one variable clearly causes an outcome, there's always room for doubt. Conflicted individuals, says Prof. Bazerman, continue to have doubts long after objective observers are convinced by the evidence, as when some tobacco executives refused to admit that smoking is related to risk of cancer. But simply disclosing financial ties, as many journals require of authors, may
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome. on 8/4/06 5:35 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really nice, thoughtful reply, Rick. Re the part about not wanting to disillusion people unless they want to be disillusioned - I agree with you, bit I do wonder how people will feel when the books about inappropriate sexual conduct come out? There will be lots of denial, but I also wonder if eventually people will be angry that secrets were kept for so many years. Some people have NO idea about this stuff and it will be difficult to reconcile with a lifetime of devotion. Devotion is black and white, rarely gray. In my own case, I didnt for a moment take the rumors seriously, but then I never had the amount and detail of information now available. And if books come out, there will be much more info. My guess is that a percentage will deny it all, while refusing to look at the evidence, while a majority will accept it. Some of these will dismiss him as a total fraud, but hopefully many will try to arrive at a balance view. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama' on 8/4/06 7:21 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. About 5 years ago there was a paid asana course. I think the course fee was $1,000, but it might have been more. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'While Rome Burns?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel --snip-- Right now, I'm attempting to escape from my current co-dependent relationship; attempting to escape.. _very_ accurate description of behavior in a co-dependent relationship:) Wish me luck!- Or is it a matter of will-(?)free-will, remember that? In any case; I hope I get to see you guys soon... R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. You used to have to take and pay for a rounding course to get these. Later advanced pranayama was charged for (IIRC this was termed neuro- respiratory integration). Same with advanced asanas. Many pranayamas were only given on extended advanced courses, e.g. the pranayamas for the third eye, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 8/4/06 7:21 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. About 5 years ago there was a paid asana course. I think the course fee was $1,000, but it might have been more. There is now a course taught at MUM (college level course). It's probably very expensive.IIRC the "advanced asana course" was originally a tour of various centers. Same with the pranayama course. At that time, I believe it was around 500 USD.See: http://www.mum.edu/physiology/coursesPH 263 Maharishi Yoga Asanas: Enhancing Physiological Balance, the Basis for Living Enlightenment __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 8/4/06 7:21 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. About 5 years ago there was a paid asana course. I think the course fee was $1,000, but it might have been more. Here ya go. It's considered part of your course credits PLUS an additional 2000 USD (so add what ever you pay per credit hour to this $2000):PH 263 Maharishi Yoga Asanas: Enhancing Physiological Balance, the Basis for Living EnlightenmentThis practical course presents the knowledge and experience of enlivening the unified state of consciousness, or Yoga, through the physiological approach of Maharishi Yoga Asanas. Maharishi has revived the essential understanding that Yoga means unified level of consciousness or Transcendental Consciousness, and that Yoga, one of the 40 aspects of the Vedic Literature, provides the technologies to unfold that experience. The physical postures of Maharishi Yoga Asanas are traditional positions that enliven the connection between mind and body, consciousness and physiology. When done properly, Maharishi Yoga Asanas help dissolve stress and give the experience of settledness and expansion in the direction of the experience of pure consciousness, or Yoga. This unique practical course includes regular practice of Maharishi Yoga Asanas as well as the understanding of their specific effects on the mind and body. (additional $2,000 tuition) (4 units) __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Wrong Kaplan
From my friend in St. Louis: there's two gary kaplans that live in st louis. one is 47 years old and is the founder of betonsports, an illegal billion dollar business. the other gary kaplan is 56 years old and is david and earl's older brother, who is involved in real estate and is a very upstanding guy, like all the kaplans we know. (that's a relief. i was beginning to lose faith in people.) the first gary kaplan is on the lam, as of yesterday, and the doj is after him and his billions. i imagine the second gary kaplan wishes he had a different name or hometown right now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 7:21 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. About 5 years ago there was a paid asana course. I think the course fee was $1,000, but it might have been more. Yes. I recall it was 1600 or something. Taught by hatha yoga non-experts at the center off of flash cards. Having been away from the center for years, I went to an intro lecture on this course and others. The teacher, a prominent researcher actually, couldn't even remember the 8 limbs of yoga, kept confusing them, and having to refer to his flash cards and TMO charts. It was a real talking head performance (though this guy is competent in his field, AFAIK). I was not impressed and decline the offer aka arm twisting to take the course. On the other hand, in late 60s-mid 70s lots of stuff was without charge. I never paid for an advaced technique then. Even from M. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome. on 8/4/06 6:41 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should that be a problem with anyone ? If it is true. Maharishi is a master, but I have no problem whatsover with the idea that he might have been active in that area. The only people I think could get angry is the americans who have such a huge problem with sexuality. Look what they did to Clinton just because he was having some fun. The french President Mitterand had a mistress and a daughter. Everyone new that, but did the french care ? No. Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
on 8/4/06 6:41 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should that be a problem with anyone ? If it is true. Maharishi is a Master, but I have no problem whatsover with the idea that he might have been active in that area. The only people I think could get angry is the americans who have such a huge problem with sexuality. Look what they did to Clinton just because he was having some fun. The french President Mitterand had a mistress and a daughter. Everyone new that, but did the french care ? No. Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? Has Maharishi rescently claimed to be a life celibate? What's your source for this claim ? To convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle seems to be a very good thing indeed. I was a celibate for 12 years and it is a wonderful lifestyle. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
On Aug 4, 2006, at 9:14 AM, nablus108 wrote:Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? Has Maharishi rescently claimed to be a life celibate? What's your source for this claim ? To convince "hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle" seems to be a very good thing indeed. I was a celibate for 12 years and it is a wonderful lifestyle. KING: I know, but I'm just asking if you have children from your loins.MAHARISHI: I am a single person. I'm a Purusha. I'm a - what you call it - Sanyasi, if you understand the word. I'm a monk, if you understand it...KING: You're a bachelor.MAHARISHI: ...monks.CNN - LARRY KING WEEKEND Interview With Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Aired 12 May 2002 - 9-10 p.m. ET __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Yes. I personally heard him say all those things, and still, nobody cared. :) I don't think the reason you and others are upset has anything whatsoever to do with what country you come from. I think it has to do with the last part of your sentence--you feel betrayed. MMY not only turned out to be something other than what you thought, but he had convinced you for many years to adopt a lifestyle you found uncomfortable--right? So why not just deal with that, and let the other stuff go? Sal On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:01 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? __._,_.___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Deepak Chopra/Give Maharishi Any Credit, Ever?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's another one, who really gets on my nerves; All of Deepaks books, tapes and various other schemes of money making; Does he ever once give credit to Maharishi for anything. He is the most plagerizing of them all. What a dick head. R.G. Chopra developed his mind/body theories and the entire medical explanation of ayurvedic principles himself. MMY certainly didn't do it. MMY recruited Chopra specifically for that purpose. The TMO used Chopra to popularized maharishi ayurveda which he very well and which no one else in the movement had the ability to do, and Chopra used the TMO to become famous, something he could not have done alone. Chopra brought in millions to the movement, not just ayurveda, in the 90s he was the only successful marketer of the TM technique on a large scale for the local centers. He was very devoted to the MMY and was given titles of honor by MMY in acknowledgment. Then Chopra is thrown out of the movement due to inner circle jealously and hassles, esp with Bevan and suddenly he starts to get demonized by the TMO - this began long before he started his own stuff. I don't care for Chopra's marketing since he went on his own, but to say he owes everything to MMY is the height of TB blindness. The only person who has a right to feel plagiarized is dr. candace pert who conducted the studies underlying most of chopra's work, and she seems to be on good terms with him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
KING: You're a bachelor. MAHARISHI: ...monks. CNN - LARRY KING WEEKEND Interview With Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Aired 12 May 2002 - 9-10 p.m. ET Fine, he says he is a monk. Does not mean he has been that for ever in the past. I could say the say thing actually - for the last year or so...:-) Why some can get so agitated by the thought of others having sex is beyond me. I guess it is this Christian thing claiming sex is a sin. And of course culturally based. Probably no people on this earth is so tense about sex as the americans - just showing a tit feeding a child on the cover of a magazine drives them nuts. And Clinton ? That was really a show of the strenght of the moral fundamentalists that could probably not happen anywhere else. I don't care if these rumours are true or not. They surfaced after Muktananda and Krishnamurthi left the body also, and I don't think it really made any difference for their disciples. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Deepak Chopra/Give Maharishi Any Credit, Ever?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 6:35 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: He used to, then he broke with M. Somewhere in between we realized (or already saw) where M. was stealing the info. from: his pundits. We did?? What evidence do we have of this? Since he's not fluent in Sanskrit, he has to have help with the translation. This is ripping the pundits off, according to Vaj... Oh, so, if Maharishi need a translator, because he was studying physics, and becoming enlightened, instead of studying Sanskrit; We have to hold this against him, and consider this stealing. Please, please give the old man a break! No, he rarely credits source texts he is paraphrasing or expounding on. People end up assuming he cognized it. This seems to be deliberate. This is often mixed in with the false idea that he actually is a rishi because of the assumed name. The most infamous example would be AGNI and the unfoldment of Vedic literature, etc., etc. Can anyone name the source text? Thought it was cognized I've always assumed he was giving traditional interpretations (albeit sometimes with his own twist). or part of the mysterious Apaurushaya Bhasya? Think again. To anybody who thinks Apaurushaya Bhasya is the source text or part of of his riff on AGNI and the unfoldment of Vedic literature, the nature of Apaurushaya Bhasya most certainly has remained mysterious, but not because it hasn't been explained in some detail. Just means they've never heard the explanation, or haven't even begun to understand it. Such a notion is absurd on its face. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
On Aug 4, 2006, at 10:05 AM, nablus108 wrote:I don't care if these rumours are true or not. They surfaced after Muktananda and Krishnamurthi left the body also, and I don't think it really made any difference for their disciples. I think you need to look at the ex-SYDA pages. Some pretty shocking stuff. It devasted a lot of people.Krishnamurthi wasn't a brahmachari or sanyasi that I am aware of, but then I don't honestly know that much about him. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 5:35 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really nice, thoughtful reply, Rick. Re the part about not wanting to disillusion people unless they want to be disillusioned - I agree with you, bit I do wonder how people will feel when the books about inappropriate sexual conduct come out? There will be lots of denial, but I also wonder if eventually people will be angry that secrets were kept for so many years. Some people have NO idea about this stuff and it will be difficult to reconcile with a lifetime of devotion. Devotion is black and white, rarely gray. In my own case, I didn¹t for a moment take the rumors seriously, but then I never had the amount and detail of information now available. And if books come out, there will be much more info. My guess is that a percentage will deny it all, while refusing to look at the evidence, while a majority will accept it. Some of these will dismiss him as a total fraud, but hopefully many will try to arrive at a balance view. In my case, I heard rumors in the 70's and dismissed them. But a few years later began to wonder as more information appeared. I pretty much decided to keep on with the Faith, partly because I had so much invested already. Now, I do think the rumors are tue, but I still love MMY and his teachings and have benefitted so greatly from it all. I can't really judge his actions, although it makes me uncomfortable and I wouod prefer to have a snowy white teacher. Not sure that is possible on earth and in Kali Yuga. The Universe seems to contain much that I don't really understand, so I just continue what feels good and right, and for now that includes TM, love for Guru Dev and respect for MMY, despite the garbage. and as Dr. Pete suggested, I watch my wallet around the TMO. Older and wiser, I guess. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 7:21 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. About 5 years ago there was a paid asana course. I think the course fee was $1,000, but it might have been more. I believe it was $1,200. However, this was a multilesson course (12 several-hour sessions, as I recall) that went into far more depth, in both theory and practice, than what is taught on residence courses. MMY said at the time that taking the course was equivalent to getting an advanced technique. What is taught on residence courses can only very loosely be called yoga asanas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. You used to have to take and pay for a rounding course to get these. In other words, mostly for room and board during the course. But you didn't even have to take a rounding course to get them; they were also taught at TM centers on request. Took about 15 minutes, just as on the courses. The teacher would demonstrate, then hand you a sheet of paper with crude drawings of the asanas as a memory aid. There was also a videotape available for a few bucks at one point that taught the Sun Salute. And complete instructions both for the rounding asana/pranayama routine and the Sun Salute were given, with illustrations, in one of Chopra's books (the one that followed Quantum Healing, as I recall). Robert is apparently unaware there were actual courses in asanas and pranayama as techniques in their own right, rather than as part of a round or one's morning routine (the Sun Salute was supposed to be performed after you'd done the sesame oil massage but before you took a shower). Later advanced pranayama was charged for (IIRC this was termed neuro- respiratory integration). Same with advanced asanas. Many pranayamas were only given on extended advanced courses, e.g. the pranayamas for the third eye, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 8/4/06 7:21 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. About 5 years ago there was a paid asana course. I think the course fee was $1,000, but it might have been more. There is now a course taught at MUM (college level course). It's probably very expensive. No, it's just a regular MUM course. What are you talking about?? IIRC the advanced asana course was originally a tour of various centers. Same with the pranayama course. At that time, I believe it was around 500 USD. They were significantly more than that both in terms of content and of price ($1,200). See: http://www.mum.edu/physiology/courses PH 263 Maharishi Yoga Asanas: Enhancing Physiological Balance, the Basis for Living Enlightenment To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 8/4/06 7:21 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. About 5 years ago there was a paid asana course. I think the course fee was $1,000, but it might have been more. Here ya go. It's considered part of your course credits PLUS an additional 2000 USD (so add what ever you pay per credit hour to this $2000): PH 263 Maharishi Yoga Asanas: Enhancing Physiological Balance, the Basis for Living Enlightenment This practical course presents the knowledge and experience of enlivening the unified state of consciousness, or Yoga, through the physiological approach of Maharishi Yoga Asanas. Maharishi has revived the essential understanding that Yoga means unified level of consciousness or Transcendental Consciousness, and that Yoga, one of the 40 aspects of the Vedic Literature, provides the technologies to unfold that experience. The physical postures of Maharishi Yoga Asanas are traditional positions that enliven the connection between mind and body, consciousness and physiology. When done properly, Maharishi Yoga Asanas help dissolve stress and give the experience of settledness and expansion in the direction of the experience of pure consciousness, or Yoga. This unique practical course includes regular practice of Maharishi Yoga Asanas as well as the understanding of their specific effects on the mind and body. (additional $2,000 tuition) (4 units) OK, I take it back, sorry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome. on 8/4/06 8:14 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? Has Maharishi rescently claimed to be a life celibate? What's your source for this claim ? I dont know about recently, but he claimed it many times over the years. It used to be part of his name: Bal Brahmachari Mahesh To convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle seems to be a very good thing indeed. I was a celibate for 12 years and it is a wonderful lifestyle. I agree. I just find the hypocrisy and deception puzzling. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/4/06 7:21 AM, Robert Gimbel at babajii_99@ wrote: I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. About 5 years ago there was a paid asana course. I think the course fee was $1,000, but it might have been more. Yes. I recall it was 1600 or something. Taught by hatha yoga non-experts at the center off of flash cards. Having been away from the center for years, I went to an intro lecture on this course and others. The teacher, a prominent researcher actually, couldn't even remember the 8 limbs of yoga, kept confusing them, and having to refer to his flash cards and TMO charts. It was a real talking head performance (though this guy is competent in his field, AFAIK). I was not impressed and decline the offer aka arm twisting to take the course. That's too bad. I never took the course, but I once heard the theory behind it explained in the context of an advanced lecture by a Purusha who had taken it (apparently from a better teacher). The ideas were very profound, IMHO, not at all like standard hatha yoga teaching, and were reflected in the way the postures themselves were taught. On the other hand, in late 60s-mid 70s lots of stuff was without charge. I never paid for an advaced technique then. Even from M. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 6:41 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should that be a problem with anyone ? If it is true. Maharishi is a master, but I have no problem whatsover with the idea that he might have been active in that area. The only people I think could get angry is the americans who have such a huge problem with sexuality. Look what they did to Clinton just because he was having some fun. The french President Mitterand had a mistress and a daughter. Everyone new that, but did the french care ? No. Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? I'd still be interested to see documentation of MMY having made this claim explicitly. I'm not at all sure where you get the idea that his reputation was based on large part on a claim to be a life celibate. In what way was it based on this claim? I never was led to believe it was anything but incidental. I don't recall the point ever having been mentioned by TM teachers unless somebody asked whether MMY was celibate. And the response was always followed by what was said to be MMY's insistence that celibacy was a calling, not a discipline to be followed for its own sake, especially not if it ran contrary to one's inclinations. A big deal was never made of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 9:14 AM, nablus108 wrote: Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? Has Maharishi rescently claimed to be a life celibate? What's your source for this claim ? To convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle seems to be a very good thing indeed. I was a celibate for 12 years and it is a wonderful lifestyle. KING: I know, but I'm just asking if you have children from your loins. MAHARISHI: I am a single person. I'm a Purusha. I'm a - what you call it - Sanyasi, if you understand the word. I'm a monk, if you understand it... KING: You're a bachelor. MAHARISHI: ...monks. That's supposed to be an explicit claim to life celibacy? CNN - LARRY KING WEEKEND Interview With Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Aired 12 May 2002 - 9-10 p.m. ET To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KING: You're a bachelor. MAHARISHI: ...monks. CNN - LARRY KING WEEKEND Interview With Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Aired 12 May 2002 - 9-10 p.m. ET Fine, he says he is a monk. Does not mean he has been that for ever in the past. I could say the say thing actually - for the last year or so...:-) Oh my! The spin is so heavy handed and clumsy, my eyes are closing from the darkness. Why some can get so agitated by the thought of others having sex is beyond me. I guess it is this Christian thing claiming sex is a sin. And of course culturally based. Probably no people on this earth is so tense about sex as the americans - just showing a tit feeding a child on the cover of a magazine drives them nuts. And Clinton ? That was really a show of the strenght of the moral fundamentalists that could probably not happen anywhere else. I don't care if these rumours are true or not. They surfaced after Muktananda and Krishnamurthi left the body also, and I don't think it really made any difference for their disciples. Such broad, sweeping, non-sequitur generalizations. Perhaps says a lot more about you and your teachers than your point. So, per your logic: Some fundamentalist americans, and some politically motivated operatives and their followers, spun and exploited the Clinton sex issue way out of proportion (vs lying to the public). The tabloidish press, including a lot of cable TV, carried the story ad nauseum. American TM teachers are americans. Thus TM teachers are generally very prudish and complex-ridden about sex. Thanks for my biggest laugh of the day. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 8:14 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? Has Maharishi rescently claimed to be a life celibate? What's your source for this claim ? I don¹t know about recently, but he claimed it many times over the years. It used to be part of his name: ³Bal Brahmachari Mahesh² To convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle seems to be a very good thing indeed. I was a celibate for 12 years and it is a wonderful lifestyle. I agree. I just find the hypocrisy and deception puzzling. I recall hearing on a course back in the early 70s' that his name did not include BAL - it was just Bramachari Mahesh. We speculated if that meant that he had had sexual relations before devoting himself to Guru Dev. Others know more than I about this, but I think Bal means lifelong, so if you have ever had sex, you cannot use the term Bal in front of your name. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg with its meditators? Word on the street Evidently they (the TMOrg) are unchanged and intransient in their positions, methods and ways. Unrepentant they are back to their ways of insisting that people recant their visits with the saints and also sign contracts, pledging to never be associated with or see the saints etc.. to be able to also meditate in the group meditations. forgive and forget was evidently a feel-good myth as ploy to have people come in to register. For instance, ask Jeannie Ryan about her experience getting vetted this week for registration for the dome meditation program. Advice from real peace-mediators who go in to torn communities to help moderate peace between people, one of the first things they try to do is to get a ceasefire at least between parties. There are other sequential steps in the process too. Contrition? The Tmorg is not even close to even a ceasefire with its meditating community. For instance, while Ammachi visited FF this last month (July 06), thousands did come out of the woodwork here to see her. The meetings became like a Kumla-Mela of the old FF TM meditating community here. All kinds of lit good people coming out of the countryside here. With the first two meetings Amma gave darshan to about 4000 people here. A lot of those people were Fairfudlian TM people and their families. Then there was the next day and night program too. Possibly about 6000 darshans in total. Was interesting to see there were a lot more TM people `coming out' this year with so many TM people now having been generally `de- certified' and also with MUM MSAE faculty and staff being `let go' in recent years. Showed a lot of meditators in the community unattached and un-beholden to MMY or the TMorg. That simply is, the state of the status quo in FF for the TMOrg. It still leaves the practical questions: Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg be with its meditators? -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Reconciling the past, how likely is it that they'd be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that many willing to go.) Sal JohnY writes, The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's and the TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000 siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. Doug writing: Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the US, with some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up when called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg be with its meditators? Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff. And seeing as how someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is it that they'd be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that many willing to go.) Sal How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it? Why even bother to ask? JohnY Well, you might be surprised by his answer; If you never ask, you'll never know... The Baghavad Gita states this, in: Action is always superior to inaction, because at least you get an answer... Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India? Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba? Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome? So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask... That has been the problem; there have been such controlling; People around Maharishi, that they intimidate; Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question: Very Sad!!! The quaility of the current programs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome. on 8/4/06 9:17 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my case, I heard rumors in the 70's and dismissed them. But a few years later began to wonder as more information appeared. I pretty much decided to keep on with the Faith, partly because I had so much invested already. Now, I do think the rumors are tue, but I still love MMY and his teachings and have benefitted so greatly from it all. I can't really judge his actions, although it makes me uncomfortable and I wouod prefer to have a snowy white teacher. Not sure that is possible on earth and in Kali Yuga. The Universe seems to contain much that I don't really understand, so I just continue what feels good and right, and for now that includes TM, love for Guru Dev and respect for MMY, despite the garbage. and as Dr. Pete suggested, I watch my wallet around the TMO. Older and wiser, I guess. I can concur with most of that, although I no longer have the bond with MMY/GD that you seem to. I dont feel I was deprived or betrayed. I think the reason I often dwell on the topic is that I like conundrums, and its a big one. It raises a lot of questions that are challenging to answer, if they can be answered. Also, I think it helps people take MMY with a grain of salt to take what they need and leave the rest. There are people in FF who wont go to the theater because it has a south entrance. (And thats a shame because Al Gores movie starts there tonight.) It might be healthy for these people to become more independent in their thinking. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Deepak Chopra/Give Maharishi Any Credit, Ever?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Then Chopra is thrown out of the movement due to inner circle jealously and hassles, esp with Bevan and suddenly he starts to get demonized by the TMO - this began long before he started his own stuff. I don't care for Chopra's marketing since he went on his own, but to say he owes everything to MMY is the height of TB blindness. Chopra himself said this, including for a time after he left the movement, until the TMO asked him not to attribute anything he taught to MMY. I think there is a case to be made that Chopra's mind- body theories and approach to Ayur-Veda were very firmly grounded in MMY's teaching, in particular about the value of pure consciousness in mind-body medicine. FWIW, I'm not a fan of Chopra either. He had begun to go off the rails of MMY's teaching into a species of moodmaking well before he left the movement. Whether that had anything to do with his leaving, I'm not sure. But it's my distinct impression that the complaint that Chopra doesn't give MMY credit for what he teaches is unfair, given that the TMO apparently insisted that he stop mentioning MMY as the inspiration for his own teaching. The only person who has a right to feel plagiarized is dr. candace pert who conducted the studies underlying most of chopra's work, and she seems to be on good terms with him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome. on 8/4/06 9:52 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not at all sure where you get the idea that his reputation was based on large part on a claim to be a life celibate. In what way was it based on this claim? I never was led to believe it was anything but incidental. Being a monk is/was a big part of his image. If it had not been, he could have been open about his sex life. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome. on 8/4/06 10:00 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recall hearing on a course back in the early 70s' that his name did not include BAL - it was just Bramachari Mahesh. We speculated if that meant that he had had sexual relations before devoting himself to Guru Dev. Others know more than I about this, but I think Bal means lifelong, so if you have ever had sex, you cannot use the term Bal in front of your name. He used to use it. Wasnt it in Beacon Light of the Himalayas? But then, at that time, he probably was a life celibate. But he earnestly proclaimed that status on many occasions, for instance, when Charlie Lutes brought the Beatles accusations to his attention in Rishikesh. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Gradually, everyone here seems to be remoulding their view of MMY to conform with the whispered rumours, but personally I still doubt the rumours that MMY ever got laid. I suspect that had he got into sex he would likely have worked it into his teachings, as he has done with everything else he has gotten interested in. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/4/06 5:35 AM, wayback71 at wayback71@ wrote: Really nice, thoughtful reply, Rick. Re the part about not wanting to disillusion people unless they want to be disillusioned - I agree with you, bit I do wonder how people will feel when the books about inappropriate sexual conduct come out? There will be lots of denial, but I also wonder if eventually people will be angry that secrets were kept for so many years. Some people have NO idea about this stuff and it will be difficult to reconcile with a lifetime of devotion. Devotion is black and white, rarely gray. In my own case, I didn¹t for a moment take the rumors seriously, but then I never had the amount and detail of information now available. And if books come out, there will be much more info. My guess is that a percentage will deny it all, while refusing to look at the evidence, while a majority will accept it. Some of these will dismiss him as a total fraud, but hopefully many will try to arrive at a balance view. In my case, I heard rumors in the 70's and dismissed them. But a few years later began to wonder as more information appeared. I pretty much decided to keep on with the Faith, partly because I had so much invested already. Now, I do think the rumors are tue, but I still love MMY and his teachings and have benefitted so greatly from it all. I can't really judge his actions, although it makes me uncomfortable and I wouod prefer to have a snowy white teacher. Not sure that is possible on earth and in Kali Yuga. The Universe seems to contain much that I don't really understand, so I just continue what feels good and right, and for now that includes TM, love for Guru Dev and respect for MMY, despite the garbage. and as Dr. Pete suggested, I watch my wallet around the TMO. Older and wiser, I guess. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg on 8/4/06 10:03 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance, ask Jeannie Ryan about her experience getting vetted this week for registration for the dome meditation program. Since most people here are not in a position to ask her, whats the story? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Good points, some comments interwoven. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my own case, I didn¹t for a moment take the rumors seriously, but then I never had the amount and detail of information now available. And if books come out, there will be much more info. My guess is that a percentage will deny it all, while refusing to look at the evidence, while a majority will accept it. Some of these will dismiss him as a total fraud, but hopefully many will try to arrive at a balance view. In my case, I heard rumors in the 70's and dismissed them. Me too. I heard some pretty exlicit detailed things in 1977. To my surprise, it didn't phase me much. I figured, if true, its M's business -- and what someone does --- who (presumably -- and this was absolutely assumed back then) had full mastery of yogic powers, and energy flows --- is not so relevant for aspirants. But a few years later began to wonder as more information appeared. I pretty much decided to keep on with the Faith, partly because I had so much invested already. Now, I do think the rumors are true, The skin-boy diaries were eye opening to me. And I was vageuly acquainted one of the women from my TTC -- same extension course hotel. Various things fell together and made sense. still love MMY and his teachings and have benefitted so greatly from it all. Yes. Regardless of his status in the pantheon of teachers, to me, he was a great guy, a strong positive influence in my life, particularly at 17 when I was searching and wandering. And hey, its NOT a competition -- as some would portray it, aka my teacher/lineage is SO AWESOME and yours SUCKS, thus, do the math --- I (me me me) am SOOO AWESOME. I can't really judge his actions, although it makes me uncomfortable and I wouod prefer to have a snowy white teacher. We would all dream of such. But we generally get what we need. However, a 6 year old doesn't need Barry Bonds to teach him how to bat. SBS sought out and found a life-celibate teacher. That was important and perhaps quite necessary for for him. For us -- we all don't / didn't necessarily need the WORLDS GREATEST TEACHER, purity incarnate, to teach us some basic stuff. Not sure that is possible on earth and in Kali Yuga. It apparently was for SBS, but we know so little about his teacher. And snowy white is really about purity of consciousness. The trailing unwrappings of some past karmic trash is not really relevant to THAT. The Universe seems to contain much that I don't really understand, so I just continue what feels good and right, and for now that includes TM, love for Guru Dev and respect for MMY, despite the garbage. and as Dr. Pete suggested, I watch my wallet around the TMO. Older and wiser, I guess. Good that you still have a wallet, after all these years. haha. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. You used to have to take and pay for a rounding course to get these. In other words, mostly for room and board during the course. But you didn't even have to take a rounding course to get them; they were also taught at TM centers on request. Some male teacher friends and acquaintences, in fact, used to go out of their way to stress the value of asanas to beautiful women around the center, or just off an intro course. And arrange for a private demo -- ah say around nine-ish at the center. Bliss flowed often. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome. on 8/4/06 10:09 AM, Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gradually, everyone here seems to be remoulding their view of MMY to conform with the whispered rumours, but personally I still doubt the rumours that MMY ever got laid. I suspect that had he got into sex he would likely have worked it into his teachings, as he has done with everything else he has gotten interested in. You never spoke with any of the women. Thats pretty convincing. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: KING: You're a bachelor. MAHARISHI: ...monks. CNN - LARRY KING WEEKEND Interview With Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Aired 12 May 2002 - 9-10 p.m. ET Fine, he says he is a monk. Does not mean he has been that for ever in the past. I could say the say thing actually - for the last year or so...:-) Oh my! The spin is so heavy handed and clumsy, my eyes are closing from the darkness. Why some can get so agitated by the thought of others having sex is beyond me. I guess it is this Christian thing claiming sex is a sin. And of course culturally based. Probably no people on this earth is so tense about sex as the americans - just showing a tit feeding a child on the cover of a magazine drives them nuts. And Clinton ? That was really a show of the strenght of the moral fundamentalists that could probably not happen anywhere else. I don't care if these rumours are true or not. They surfaced after Muktananda and Krishnamurthi left the body also, and I don't think it really made any difference for their disciples. Such broad, sweeping, non-sequitur generalizations. Perhaps says a lot more about you and your teachers than your point. So, per your logic: Some fundamentalist americans, and some politically motivated operatives and their followers, spun and exploited the Clinton sex issue way out of proportion (vs lying to the public). The tabloidish press, including a lot of cable TV, carried the story ad nauseum. American TM teachers are americans. Thus TM teachers are generally very prudish and complex-ridden about sex. Thanks for my biggest laugh of the day. You are welcome - and you got it pretty much correct :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/4/06 8:14 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote: Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? Has Maharishi rescently claimed to be a life celibate? What's your source for this claim ? I don¹t know about recently, but he claimed it many times over the years. It used to be part of his name: ³Bal Brahmachari Mahesh² To convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle seems to be a very good thing indeed. I was a celibate for 12 years and it is a wonderful lifestyle. I agree. I just find the hypocrisy and deception puzzling. I recall hearing on a course back in the early 70s' that his name did not include BAL - it was just Bramachari Mahesh. We speculated if that meant that he had had sexual relations before devoting himself to Guru Dev. Others know more than I about this, but I think Bal means lifelong, so if you have ever had sex, you cannot use the term Bal in front of your name. Exactly, perhaps that's why he stopped using Bal. But is this really interesting ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 9:17 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my case, I heard rumors in the 70's and dismissed them. But a few years later began to wonder as more information appeared. I pretty much decided to keep on with the Faith, partly because I had so much invested already. Now, I do think the rumors are tue, but I still love MMY and his teachings and have benefitted so greatly from it all. I can't really judge his actions, although it makes me uncomfortable and I wouod prefer to have a snowy white teacher. Not sure that is possible on earth and in Kali Yuga. The Universe seems to contain much that I don't really understand, so I just continue what feels good and right, and for now that includes TM, love for Guru Dev and respect for MMY, despite the garbage. and as Dr. Pete suggested, I watch my wallet around the TMO. Older and wiser, I guess. I can concur with most of that, although I no longer have the bond with MMY/GD that you seem to. I don¹t feel I was deprived or betrayed. I think the reason I often dwell on the topic is that I like conundrums, and it¹s a big one. It raises a lot of questions that are challenging to answer, if they can be answered. ` You are just confirming my thought; the americans are obsessed with sex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 9:52 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not at all sure where you get the idea that his reputation was based on large part on a claim to be a life celibate. In what way was it based on this claim? I never was led to believe it was anything but incidental. Being a monk is/was a big part of his image. If it had not been, he could have been open about his sex life. Why should he. To satisfy your endless interest in this topic ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
On Aug 4, 2006, at 11:19 AM, new.morning wrote:Good points, some comments interwoven. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my own case, I didn¹t for a moment take the rumors seriously, but then I never had the amount and detail of information now available. And if books come out, there will be much more info. My guess is that a percentage will deny it all, while refusing to look at the evidence, while a majority will accept it. Some of these will dismiss him as a total fraud, but hopefully many will try to arrive at a balance view. In my case, I heard rumors in the 70's and dismissed them. Me too. I heard some pretty exlicit detailed things in 1977. To my surprise, it didn't phase me much. I figured, if true, its M's business -- and what someone does --- who (presumably -- and this was absolutely assumed back then) had full mastery of yogic powers, and energy flows --- is not so relevant for aspirants. Interesting post, thanks. Do you *still* believe that M. has "full mastery of yogic powers, and energy flows" or has time modified your POV? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Definition of a Terrorist'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/4/06 5:34:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, this whole thing with Hezbollah, in Lebanon, and the Israeli invasion, could just be a prerequsite, of bombing Iran, at least the nuke facilities there. I really don't see any other conclusion at the present time. And if Hezbollah is using rockets to bomb Israel now; And Iran supplies a nuke to Hezbollah- Well, you can see what I mean... Syria will get involved before long and probably attack Israel with WMD's of some sort and Israel will counter with the Sampson response. See Isaiah 17. Lo' Damascus is in ruins. Nothing but rubble where only sheep wonder through the streets. And the war will continue. So you think Syria is behind all this? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Deepak Chopra/Give Maharishi Any Credit, Ever?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Here's another one, who really gets on my nerves; All of Deepaks books, tapes and various other schemes of money making; Does he ever once give credit to Maharishi for anything. He is the most plagerizing of them all. What a dick head. R.G. Chopra developed his mind/body theories and the entire medical explanation of ayurvedic principles himself. He may have, specifically, developed the medical explanation of ayurveda himself (although even that I doubt) but his theories on mind/body and other stuff -- which constitute probably 95% of what he talks about and does -- practically all came from MMY and the TMO. That's why when he talks or writes he sounds like a TM teacher. Now, I'm not saying whether this is good or bad but, rather, that he does it. MMY certainly didn't do it. MMY recruited Chopra specifically for that purpose. The TMO used Chopra to popularized maharishi ayurveda which he very well and which no one else in the movement had the ability to do, and Chopra used the TMO to become famous, something he could not have done alone. Chopra brought in millions to the movement, not just ayurveda, in the 90s he was the only successful marketer of the TM technique on a large scale for the local centers. He was very devoted to the MMY and was given titles of honor by MMY in acknowledgment. Then Chopra is thrown out of the movement due to inner circle jealously and hassles, esp with Bevan and suddenly he starts to get demonized by the TMO - this began long before he started his own stuff. I don't care for Chopra's marketing since he went on his own, but to say he owes everything to MMY is the height of TB blindness. The only person who has a right to feel plagiarized is dr. candace pert who conducted the studies underlying most of chopra's work, and she seems to be on good terms with him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/4/06 6:41 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote: Why should that be a problem with anyone ? If it is true. Maharishi is a master, but I have no problem whatsover with the idea that he might have been active in that area. The only people I think could get angry is the americans who have such a huge problem with sexuality. Look what they did to Clinton just because he was having some fun. The french President Mitterand had a mistress and a daughter. Everyone new that, but did the french care ? No. Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? I'd still be interested to see documentation of MMY having made this claim explicitly. I'm not at all sure where you get the idea that his reputation was based on large part on a claim to be a life celibate. In what way was it based on this claim? I never was led to believe it was anything but incidental. I don't recall the point ever having been mentioned by TM teachers unless somebody asked whether MMY was celibate. And the response was always followed by what was said to be MMY's insistence that celibacy was a calling, not a discipline to be followed for its own sake, especially not if it ran contrary to one's inclinations. A big deal was never made of it. Agreed. But to gain enlightenment is faster if you are a celibate, and that is why Maharishi gently suggested it is good idea not to have sex, to make an agreement with the body. At least for a period of time. Once CC is reached I'm not sure whether it is necessary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 9:17 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my case, I heard rumors in the 70's and dismissed them. But a few years later began to wonder as more information appeared. I pretty much decided to keep on with the Faith, partly because I had so much invested already. Now, I do think the rumors are tue, but I still love MMY and his teachings and have benefitted so greatly from it all. I can't really judge his actions, although it makes me uncomfortable and I wouod prefer to have a snowy white teacher. Not sure that is possible on earth and in Kali Yuga. The Universe seems to contain much that I don't really understand, so I just continue what feels good and right, and for now that includes TM, love for Guru Dev and respect for MMY, despite the garbage. and as Dr. Pete suggested, I watch my wallet around the TMO. Older and wiser, I guess. I can concur with most of that, although I no longer have the bond with MMY/GD that you seem to. I don¹t feel I was deprived or betrayed. I think the reason I often dwell on the topic is that I like conundrums, and it¹s a big one. It raises a lot of questions that are challenging to answer, if they can be answered. Also, I think it helps people take MMY with a grain of salt to take what they need and leave the rest. There are people in FF who won¹t go to the theater because it has a south entrance. (And that¹s a shame because Al Gore¹s movie starts there tonight.) It might be healthy for these people to become more independent in their thinking. perhaps they could walk in backwards? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 7:21 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. About 5 years ago there was a paid asana course. I think the course fee was $1,000, but it might have been more. Whole different kettle of fish than the pre-meditation warmup. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 5:35 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really nice, thoughtful reply, Rick. Re the part about not wanting to disillusion people unless they want to be disillusioned - I agree with you, bit I do wonder how people will feel when the books about inappropriate sexual conduct come out? There will be lots of denial, but I also wonder if eventually people will be angry that secrets were kept for so many years. Some people have NO idea about this stuff and it will be difficult to reconcile with a lifetime of devotion. Devotion is black and white, rarely gray. In my own case, I didn¹t for a moment take the rumors seriously, but then I never had the amount and detail of information now available. And if books come out, there will be much more info. My guess is that a percentage will deny it all, while refusing to look at the evidence, while a majority will accept it. Some of these will dismiss him as a total fraud, but hopefully many will try to arrive at a balance view. After he accepted the title maharishi, when did MMY claim to be celebate? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Deepak Chopra/Give Maharishi Any Credit, Ever?'
On Aug 4, 2006, at 11:50 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Here's another one, who really gets on my nerves; All of Deepaks books, tapes and various other schemes of money making; Does he ever once give credit to Maharishi for anything. He is the most plagerizing of them all. What a dick head. R.G. Chopra developed his mind/body theories and the entire medical explanation of ayurvedic principles himself. He may have, specifically, developed the medical explanation of ayurveda himself (although even that I doubt) but his theories on mind/body and other stuff -- which constitute probably 95% of what he talks about and does -- practically all came from MMY and the TMO. His one work on Ayurveda is reputed to have been actually a manuscript from Stuart Rothenberg and someone else (Averbach?) IIRC that was modified somewhat and put out with Chopra's name on it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 6:41 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should that be a problem with anyone ? If it is true. Maharishi is a master, but I have no problem whatsover with the idea that he might have been active in that area. The only people I think could get angry is the americans who have such a huge problem with sexuality. Look what they did to Clinton just because he was having some fun. The french President Mitterand had a mistress and a daughter. Everyone new that, but did the french care ? No. Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? Did MMY? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 8/4/06 7:21 AM, Robert Gimbel at babajii_99@ wrote: I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. About 5 years ago there was a paid asana course. I think the course fee was $1,000, but it might have been more. Here ya go. It's considered part of your course credits PLUS an additional 2000 USD (so add what ever you pay per credit hour to this $2000): PH 263 Maharishi Yoga Asanas: Enhancing Physiological Balance, the Basis for Living Enlightenment This practical course presents the knowledge and experience of enlivening the unified state of consciousness, or Yoga, through the physiological approach of Maharishi Yoga Asanas. Maharishi has revived the essential understanding that Yoga means unified level of consciousness or Transcendental Consciousness, and that Yoga, one of the 40 aspects of the Vedic Literature, provides the technologies to unfold that experience. The physical postures of Maharishi Yoga Asanas are traditional positions that enliven the connection between mind and body, consciousness and physiology. When done properly, Maharishi Yoga Asanas help dissolve stress and give the experience of settledness and expansion in the direction of the experience of pure consciousness, or Yoga. This unique practical course includes regular practice of Maharishi Yoga Asanas as well as the understanding of their specific effects on the mind and body. (additional $2,000 tuition) (4 units) OK, I take it back, sorry. PRice aside, that's a rather intense course on asanas. MUM teaches in block form for what, 5hours/day, 5 days a week (unit)? That's 80 hours for a 4 unit course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 8:14 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? Has Maharishi rescently claimed to be a life celibate? What's your source for this claim ? I don¹t know about recently, but he claimed it many times over the years. It used to be part of his name: ³Bal Brahmachari Mahesh² Which he had stopped using when? To convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle seems to be a very good thing indeed. I was a celibate for 12 years and it is a wonderful lifestyle. I agree. I just find the hypocrisy and deception puzzling. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM/Ayurveda
Title: TM/Ayurveda Rick Below is an excerpt from a book on complementary cancer care I'm writing the index for. This is an excerpt from the chapter on Ayur Veda. It is written by an MD and it's an interesting discussion, very positive. These are first pass proofs so there are going to be typos throughout and there are noticeable formatting tags contained as well. I also included the section on ojas. You can post this on FFLife only please take out the line about the morons (like Sparaig). You can also use my name, it's okay with me. Ken Hassman *** Ayurv Vedic Medicine Ayurv Veda, the traditional medicine of India, offers several modalities that may be helpful in cancer prevention and cancer care. These modalities include Transcendental Mediation (TM; through postulated effects on reducing cancer-causing free radicals), Ayurv Vedic mModulation of physiologic processes such as digestion, and the use of complex herbal preparations, called rasayanas, among other techniques. H1Free Radicals, Cancer, and Transcendental Mediation The use of Transcendental Meditation (TM) in anxiety reduction may have broader health implications. Effects of TM on free radicals and cancer have also emerged in various studies. Many think of oxygen as the most benign element imaginable, but in fact, it has a dark side. Various metabolic processes create highly reactive forms of oxygen and other molecules; these are known as free radicals. These unstable molecules damage other molecules. Although free radicals serve as part of our defense against invading pathogens, they also can cause extensive injury to cells, including DNA, and lead to the development of cancer. Free- radical damage has been implicated in up to 80% of all human disease, including cancer. More generally, free radicals may cause much of the general deterioration of mind and body associated with aging. Researchers have identified a number of factors that generate excess free radicals, including mental stress, pollution, excessive sun exposure, overexertion, radiation, chemotherapy, and ingestion of alcohol, tobacco, meat, and smoked, barbecued, or processed foods. Many of these are also regarded as cancer risk factors. Reducing these factors may reduce the level of free radicals, also called oxidants, and thus reduce cancer. Because Since Transcendental Mediation is effective in reducing stress, it might be expected to influence free radical generation through various mechanisms. The term stress refers means not only environmental challenges themselves, but also how the body reacts to them. The stress syndrome, or fight-or-flight response, was designed to deal with prehistoric emergencies, which were of short duration and called for quick reactions. It serves us poorly in the post-industrial age, where most of our emergencies are slow-burn aggravations and anxieties traffic jams or irate bosses who plague day-to-day existence. The body reacts to these with neuro-chemical overkill. And many of the specific processes involved the generation of cortisol and, other stress-related chemicals, and even the basic increase in energy involved in the stress response greatly increase free- radical production. In a variety of ways, stress causes the body to produce its own toxic substances, free radicals. Transcendental Meditation, with its ability to counter stress, reduces free- radical production. A study done by Sharma at Ohio State, with Schneider and other collaborators at Maharishi University of Management, compared elderly long-term mediators to age-matched controls matched for age. The researchers examined lipid peroxides, which are cellular constituents that have been damaged by free radicals, and in turn can cause a great deal of damage of their own. They are used to assess free- radical levels, because it is assumed that if lipid peroxide levels are high (the result of free radical damage to lipids), free- radical levels must be high. TM mediators showed significantly lower levels of lipid peroxides. Those between ages 60 and 69 showed 14.5% lower levels, and those between ages 70 and 79 showed 16.5% lower. This magnitude of reduction is significant. A certain level of free radicals is necessary for the bodys self-defense, and the bodys own antioxidant and repair mechanisms can handle excess free radicals up to a certain point. A number of studies, using different approaches, have found Transcendental Meditation to influence processes associated with cancer and aging. The first study on this topic was done by Wallace, a pioneer of meditation research. He used the Adult Growth Examination, a test derived in part from the United States National Health Survey, standardized using a carefully selected representative cross-sample of several thousand adults, and validated in various studies in North America. The examination measures basic functions - including
[FairfieldLife] Great piece by an Arab-American
Nonie Darwish huffingtonpost.com 08.03.2006 The Muslim Majority Must Break Its Silence Arabs today are at a critical crossroads. They must decide whether to live in a constant state of war and terror or to denounce their own terrorists. Terrorists are working to prevent moderate Arabs from making the right choice. Terrorist groups rely on a tribal culture and the sympathies and emotions of the Arab street whenever they get into trouble. Hezbollah, Hamas and Al Qaeda get recruits and support only by provoking hostilities with Israel and other parts of the world, and creating crises wherever they can. Hamas's and Hezbollah's unprovoked attacks on Israel from the two areas Israel withdrew from -- and no longer occupies -- illustrates how this happens. Israel responded and two weeks later we all saw the particularly horrifying images from Qana, Lebanon on our television screens. But responsibility for this terrible tragedy must be laid at the feet of the people who deliberately hide among civilians in order to fire rockets and missiles at Israeli civilians. Hezbollah and its supporters are responsible for those deaths. Only the Jihadists benefit from the deaths of innocent civilians benefit, not Israel. Despite initially blaming Hezbollah, the Arab street's sympathies have now shifted to Hezbollah. Terror groups count on that support. People in the West do not understand why the silent Muslim majority stays silent. The reason can be found in the old Arab saying, My brother and I against our cousin, but my cousin and I against a stranger. Supporting fellow Muslims, right or wrong, is a fundamental cultural obligation among Arab society, which is tribal Arab radicals exploit this powerful cultural motivation time and time again. I was a child in Gaza in the 1950's, when Gaza was in Egyptian hands. Gaza's infrastructure and economy were neglected while the land became a launching pad for terror attacks on Israel. Fifty years later, the two areas evacuated by Israel - Gaza last year and Lebanon six years ago -- are used for the same purpose, and everything is being sacrificed by Arabs in order to kill Jews. The hatred of Jews by Arabs in the areas surrounding Israel is more important than a mother's love for her children. In 1955, an intifada broke out in Gaza. But it was not against Israel; it was against the oppressive rule of Egypt's President Nasser. To divert attention from this uprising, the Egyptian government intensified the fedayeen operations against Israel under the command of my father, Lt. Colonel Mustafa Hafez. Israel's defense against the fedayeen, including their killing my father, ended the intifada. This pattern of Arabs increasing terror attacks against Israel as a way of dealing with threats to their governments continues until today. The fedayeen of the 1950's became the model for today's terror organizations. However, it is time for the Arab street to get smart. The terror groups' have distracted Arabs from solving their real human challenges while bringing them humiliating defeats. Arabs must join the world community and turn away from self-destructive patterns and tribal obligations. They must come to understand there is more pride in protecting their homes, families and society than in having fake pride by supporting reckless terror groups and attacks against Israel. Otherwise, Arab society is doomed to destruction, terror and despair. Every moderate Muslim must be appalled by the likes of Hezbollah, which means the party of Allah. Hezbollah is desecrating God's name and is destroying the lives of Muslim men for a promise of heaven with 72 virgins. Religious leadership has failed Muslim young men, who must be taught that they are needed right here on earth to help make it a better place. We Arabs must abandon this obsession to destroy Israel and tend to more important issues, such as honor killing of Muslim girls, stoning of Muslim women, killing and torturing of gays, amputation of limbs of criminals, female genital mutilation, the murder of apostates who leave Islam, polygamy and its devastating effects on family relations, and the imprisonment of Arab reformists and writers and cutting the tongues of those who speak out. We must speak out against the self-anointed and hateful Ayatollahs and Sheikhs who incite violence, rage and anger from the pulpits of mosques. They are condemning the beautiful Middle East society to a permanent condition of war, terror and jihad. No longer do we want to hear our religious leaders proudly curse non- Muslim infidels and Jews in Friday prayer sermons, calling them apes and pigs and enemies of God. We are all God's creation. The Arab street must not sympathize with Hezbollah. The silent Muslim majority must abandon its silence and dark-age mentality. We must join the 21 st century's civilization. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Deepak Chopra/Give Maharishi Any Credit, Ever?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: snip Then Chopra is thrown out of the movement due to inner circle jealously and hassles, esp with Bevan and suddenly he starts to get demonized by the TMO - this began long before he started his own stuff. I don't care for Chopra's marketing since he went on his own, but to say he owes everything to MMY is the height of TB blindness. Chopra himself said this, including for a time after he left the movement, until the TMO asked him not to attribute anything he taught to MMY. I think there is a case to be made that Chopra's mind- body theories and approach to Ayur-Veda were very firmly grounded in MMY's teaching, in particular about the value of pure consciousness in mind-body medicine. FWIW, I'm not a fan of Chopra either. He had begun to go off the rails of MMY's teaching into a species of moodmaking well before he left the movement. Whether that had anything to do with his leaving, I'm not sure. But it's my distinct impression that the complaint that Chopra doesn't give MMY credit for what he teaches is unfair, given that the TMO apparently insisted that he stop mentioning MMY as the inspiration for his own teaching. The TMO insisted he rewrite his books and remove his dedications to MMY? Where did you hear this, BTW? The earliest transitional version of _Quantum Healing_ contains a letterf rom Deepak in the back where he says hestill practices and recommends TM. The only person who has a right to feel plagiarized is dr. candace pert who conducted the studies underlying most of chopra's work, and she seems to be on good terms with him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Deepak Chopra/Give Maharishi Any Credit, Ever?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: snip Then Chopra is thrown out of the movement due to inner circle jealously and hassles, esp with Bevan and suddenly he starts to get demonized by the TMO - this began long before he started his own stuff. I don't care for Chopra's marketing since he went on his own, but to say he owes everything to MMY is the height of TB blindness. Chopra himself said this, including for a time after he left the movement, until the TMO asked him not to attribute anything he taught to MMY. I think there is a case to be made that Chopra's mind- body theories and approach to Ayur-Veda were very firmly grounded in MMY's teaching, in particular about the value of pure consciousness in mind-body medicine. FWIW, I'm not a fan of Chopra either. He had begun to go off the rails of MMY's teaching into a species of moodmaking well before he left the movement. Whether that had anything to do with his leaving, I'm not sure. But it's my distinct impression that the complaint that Chopra doesn't give MMY credit for what he teaches is unfair, given that the TMO apparently insisted that he stop mentioning MMY as the inspiration for his own teaching. The TMO insisted he rewrite his books and remove his dedications to MMY? Where did you hear this, BTW? The earliest transitional version of _Quantum Healing_ contains a letterf rom Deepak in the back where he says hestill practices and recommends TM. The only person who has a right to feel plagiarized is dr. candace pert who conducted the studies underlying most of chopra's work, and she seems to be on good terms with him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] And I admire him. I don't admire his callous womanizing, his drunk driving conviction, etc., but he has a great intellect, and basically a very good heart. He's a sincere seeker, but he seems to have his work cut out for him, dealing with his shadow. [snip] What year and where did Hagelin get a DUI? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 9:14 AM, nablus108 wrote: Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? Has Maharishi rescently claimed to be a life celibate? What's your source for this claim ? To convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle seems to be a very good thing indeed. I was a celibate for 12 years and it is a wonderful lifestyle. KING: I know, but I'm just asking if you have children from your loins. MAHARISHI: I am a single person. I'm a Purusha. I'm a - what you call it - Sanyasi, if you understand the word. I'm a monk, if you understand it... KING: You're a bachelor. MAHARISHI: ...monks. CNN - LARRY KING WEEKEND Interview With Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Aired 12 May 2002 - 9-10 p.m. ET He very carefully did not say he was celibate. Larry asked the question subtley and correctly. It's not about the sex, never was. It's about deception and subterfuge, character and doubt and truth. That's why it is and was hidden. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/4/06 6:41 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote: Why should that be a problem with anyone ? If it is true. Maharishi is a master, but I have no problem whatsover with the idea that he might have been active in that area. The only people I think could get angry is the americans who have such a huge problem with sexuality. Look what they did to Clinton just because he was having some fun. The french President Mitterand had a mistress and a daughter. Everyone new that, but did the french care ? No. Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? I'd still be interested to see documentation of MMY having made this claim explicitly. I'm not at all sure where you get the idea that his reputation was based on large part on a claim to be a life celibate. In what way was it based on this claim? I never was led to believe it was anything but incidental. I don't recall the point ever having been mentioned by TM teachers unless somebody asked whether MMY was celibate. And the response was always followed by what was said to be MMY's insistence that celibacy was a calling, not a discipline to be followed for its own sake, especially not if it ran contrary to one's inclinations. A big deal was never made of it. Agreed. But to gain enlightenment is faster if you are a celibate, and that is why Maharishi gently suggested it is good idea not to have sex, to make an agreement with the body. At least for a period of time. Once CC is reached I'm not sure whether it is necessary. The way it was explained to me is that, according to MMY, celibacy is the fastest way to gain enlightenment IF YOU FIND IT COMFORTABLE but for those who do not, the strain of remaining celibate will slow you down. For those who aren't celibate, marriage is the best choice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KING: You're a bachelor. MAHARISHI: ...monks. CNN - LARRY KING WEEKEND Interview With Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Aired 12 May 2002 - 9-10 p.m. ET Fine, he says he is a monk. Does not mean he has been that for ever in the past. I could say the say thing actually - for the last year or so...:-) Plus which, the question he was responding to was whether he had a family and kids, not whether he ever had sex. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/4/06 8:14 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote: Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? Has Maharishi rescently claimed to be a life celibate? What's your source for this claim ? I don¹t know about recently, but he claimed it many times over the years. It used to be part of his name: ³Bal Brahmachari Mahesh² To convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle seems to be a very good thing indeed. I was a celibate for 12 years and it is a wonderful lifestyle. I agree. I just find the hypocrisy and deception puzzling. I recall hearing on a course back in the early 70s' that his name did not include BAL - it was just Bramachari Mahesh. We speculated if that meant that he had had sexual relations before devoting himself to Guru Dev. Others know more than I about this, but I think Bal means lifelong, so if you have ever had sex, you cannot use the term Bal in front of your name. Early in the 70ths we used to call MMY when we participated at SCI- courses and weekend-courses - and the question about sex did come up from time to time. MMY always handled the questions - that he was not able to answer questions about sex, because he himself was a monk. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Never Charged/For Yoga Asanas or Pranayama'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/4/06 7:21 AM, Robert Gimbel at babajii_99@ wrote: I never recall Maharishi charging for Yoga Asanas or Pranayama; But rather they were taught in the residence course setting; And there was never any charge for those things, as I recall. R.G. About 5 years ago there was a paid asana course. I think the course fee was $1,000, but it might have been more. Whole different kettle of fish than the pre-meditation warmup. Not Hong-Kong fish I hope. (obscure reference to 1960's lecture). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MMY : Celibacy and TMO Teachers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: I don't recall the point ever having been mentioned by TM teachers unless somebody asked whether MMY was celibate. And the response was always followed by what was said to be MMY's insistence that celibacy was a calling, not a discipline Thats sounds more like SSRS than MMY to me. SSRS asys, Its a 'happening' not something you do MMY did make quite a big point of it (celibacy) to TMO teachers at times. For example: -- At the beginning of my TTC, 200 or so in intimate setting, a very young SC (?) (later skin boy(?), celibate* advocate, inner cirle type), with girl friend snuggled up to him, asked, but why M. do you say we should be celibate. He was unrelenting in the questioning. M. in usual style was a bit poetic, metaphoric, and implicatic (is that a word) in his answers, but his point was repeated and clear: for fastest evolution, be celibate. ---On an ATR, again a small group, a quite obnoxious canadian teacher asked in silly, crude, fashion about why we need to be celibate when sex is so wonderful and feels so good, etc. M answered, amongst other things, if you want foggy memory, go ahead. I have no fog in my memory. --And when people would cornor Satynand -- he would talk opening. Twice sex is all you need -- once for boy and once for girl. -- And I know a girl whom Satynand told, that her aura was full of holes from her sexual activities (she was maybe 20), and she should do lots of pranayam to heal the holes. --On my six mont course, he had us read the Laws of Manu, specifically the parts on sexual (non)conduct, as I recall. Lots more incidences -- the message was clear from M.s POV -- for TM teachers (that is dedicated aspirants on the path), celibacy was very good to do. Now. Practice it. Not to wait to wait for a calling. He did not try to point this out to the general public, though at times he discussed, alluded to, celibate marriages. to be followed for its own sake, especially not if it ran contrary to one's inclinations. A big deal was never made of it. Agreed. But to gain enlightenment is faster if you are a celibate, and that is why Maharishi gently suggested it is good idea not to have sex, to make an agreement with the body. At least for a period of time. Once CC is reached I'm not sure whether it is necessary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Deepak Chopra/Give Maharishi Any Credit, Ever?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 11:50 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Here's another one, who really gets on my nerves; All of Deepaks books, tapes and various other schemes of money making; Does he ever once give credit to Maharishi for anything. He is the most plagerizing of them all. What a dick head. R.G. Chopra developed his mind/body theories and the entire medical explanation of ayurvedic principles himself. He may have, specifically, developed the medical explanation of ayurveda himself (although even that I doubt) but his theories on mind/body and other stuff -- which constitute probably 95% of what he talks about and does -- practically all came from MMY and the TMO. His one work on Ayurveda is reputed to have been actually a manuscript from Stuart Rothenberg and someone else (Averbach?) IIRC that was modified somewhat and put out with Chopra's name on it. That's what I heard about _Perfect Health_ The rewrites don't flow nearly as nicely as the original, IMHO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome. on 8/4/06 11:25 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] And I admire him. I don't admire his callous womanizing, his drunk driving conviction, etc., but he has a great intellect, and basically a very good heart. He's a sincere seeker, but he seems to have his work cut out for him, dealing with his shadow. [snip] What year and where did Hagelin get a DUI? Must have been in the mid to late 90s. Jay Latham told me about it. He was in the same remedial class they make you take. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 11:25 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: [snip] And I admire him. I don't admire his callous womanizing, his drunk driving conviction, etc., but he has a great intellect, and basically a very good heart. He's a sincere seeker, but he seems to have his work cut out for him, dealing with his shadow. [snip] What year and where did Hagelin get a DUI? Must have been in the mid to late 90¹s. Jay Latham told me about it. He was in the same remedial class they make you take. Political schmoozing, no doubt. 2 drinks will put you over the legal limit. Was John a regular drinker at any point in his life? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Early in the 70ths we used to call MMY when we participated at SCI- courses and weekend-courses - and the question about sex did come up from time to time. MMY always handled the questions - that he was not able to answer questions about sex, because he himself was a monk. Yes, I heard him say tha many times in response to suh questions. It clearly does imply celibacy. (MMY often di not answer directly but implied the answer.) At other times, with teachers, he was pretty explicit about celibacy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome. on 8/4/06 11:28 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KING: You're a bachelor. MAHARISHI: ...monks. CNN - LARRY KING WEEKEND Interview With Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Aired 12 May 2002 - 9-10 p.m. ET Fine, he says he is a monk. Does not mean he has been that for ever in the past. I could say the say thing actually - for the last year or so...:-) Plus which, the question he was responding to was whether he had a family and kids, not whether he ever had sex. Larry asked whether he had kids. His answer was, no, Im a monk. That implies that he doesnt have kids because monks dont have sex and therefore dont have kids. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome. on 8/4/06 11:41 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Political schmoozing, no doubt. 2 drinks will put you over the legal limit. Was John a regular drinker at any point in his life? He was reputed to have a bit of a problem a few years back. People working in his office were concerned about it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
On Aug 4, 2006, at 12:26 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 9:14 AM, nablus108 wrote: Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? Has Maharishi rescently claimed to be a life celibate? What's your source for this claim ? To convince "hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle" seems to be a very good thing indeed. I was a celibate for 12 years and it is a wonderful lifestyle. KING: I know, but I'm just asking if you have children from your loins. MAHARISHI: I am a single person. I'm a Purusha. I'm a - what you call it - Sanyasi, if you understand the word. I'm a monk, if you understand it... KING: You're a bachelor. MAHARISHI: ...monks. CNN - LARRY KING WEEKEND Interview With Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Aired 12 May 2002 - 9-10 p.m. ET He very carefully did not say he was celibate. Larry asked the question subtley and correctly. It's not about the sex, never was. It's about deception and subterfuge, character and doubt and truth. That's why it is and was hidden. I'm not sure what you're saying John. He clearly states he's a sannyasi. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY : Celibacy and TMO Teachers
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY : Celibacy and TMO Teachers on 8/4/06 11:31 AM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---On an ATR, again a small group, a quite obnoxious canadian teacher asked in silly, crude, fashion about why we need to be celibate when sex is so wonderful and feels so good, etc. M answered, amongst other things, if you want foggy memory, go ahead. I have no fog in my memory. I was there. I recall he said Theres no fog in my mind. I think your memory is foggy. Why? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 9:52 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not at all sure where you get the idea that his reputation was based on large part on a claim to be a life celibate. In what way was it based on this claim? I never was led to believe it was anything but incidental. Being a monk is/was a big part of his image. I don't buy it. At least that wasn't how it was presented to the rank and file, and none of the TM teachers I've been acquainted with seemed to think celibacy per se was a big part of his image and reputation. The term monk didn't evoke celibacy, it evoked a person whose vocation was spirituality, who had devoted his life to it, as opposed to having a family. If we assumed he was celibate, that was just an incidental feature of monkhood, not the Main Event. I never heard anyone suggest that *because* he was supposedly celibate, therefore he had more authority or legitimacy. If it had not been, he could have been open about his sex life. Can you think of any reasons why he might have wanted to keep his sex life private other than that he didn't want to damage his reputation as a spiritual teacher? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY : Celibacy and TMO Teachers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/4/06 11:31 AM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---On an ATR, again a small group, a quite obnoxious canadian teacher asked in silly, crude, fashion about why we need to be celibate when sex is so wonderful and feels so good, etc. M answered, amongst other things, if you want foggy memory, go ahead. I have no fog in my memory. I was there. I recall he said ³There¹s no fog in my mind.² I think your memory is foggy. Why? I think your memory is foggy. :) I still clearly recall, if you want foggy memory, go ahead. I have no fog in my memory. Regardless, same idea. We are talking Dec 1974, right? First sex-segregated ATR course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
