Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Bullshit - Holier than Thou
Bavunnaanu iranitea gaaru - meeru ela vunnaaru? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:59 AM, iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bagunnara, Ravi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I had to come out of lurkdom to thank you for this beautiful video dear Seraphita. I have long railed against Gandhi, Teresa and Dolly Lama and I totally enjoyed this video, it is a good summary of these three pseudo-spiritual icons. That Gandhi was sexually perverted and slept with girls was a well known fact to me in India and my generation had no fascination for Gandhi. So I was quite baffled by the adoration of Gandhi by liberals and I know I pissed off quite a few with my statements on Gandhi. I recently had a chance to read this article on the Independent - enjoy. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html Ravi. HI RAVI, GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU! On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:25 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi and the Dalai Lama get the Penn and Teller treatment in this hilarious and foul-mouthed rant. http://tinyurl.com/nv68blw
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Bullshit - Holier than Thou
Thank you dear Ann - I have been enjoying your posts, especially your cartoons - the last 2 that you posted in response to our emotionally stunted empty baby. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 8:27 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I had to come out of lurkdom to thank you for this beautiful video dear Seraphita. I have long railed against Gandhi, Teresa and Dolly Lama and I totally enjoyed this video, it is a good summary of these three pseudo-spiritual icons. That Gandhi was sexually perverted and slept with girls was a well known fact to me in India and my generation had no fascination for Gandhi. So I was quite baffled by the adoration of Gandhi by liberals and I know I pissed off quite a few with my statements on Gandhi. I recently had a chance to read this article on the Independent - enjoy. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html Ravi. HI RAVI, GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU! On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:25 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi and the Dalai Lama get the Penn and Teller treatment in this hilarious and foul-mouthed rant. http://tinyurl.com/nv68blw
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bullshit - Holier than Thou
Thank you for your comments Seraphita - you are spot on Gandhi, another aspect though that his fasting to coerce others could be treated as being violent, being passive aggressive. And then one could argue that he was not the only one responsible for India's independence. You guys had already looted, ravaged the country and India was a huge burden for you at that point what with widespread famines and poverty, plus your countrymen were no longer the uncivilized brutes, and were more aware and sensitive and sophisticated. I beg to disagree on Dalai Lama, he doesn't fashion himself as a mere political leader but as an enlightened, spiritual person. He is the most dangerous of all three - sly and a charlatan. He isn't enlightened and he doesn't have any mystical experiences. At least Gandhi and Teresa seem sincere, innocently deceived in their commitment to their life-abnegating philosophies where celibacy, renunciation, sacrifice is synonymous to spirituality. In fact Gandhi can be argued as being a Christian, definitely a perversion of the core Hindu philosophy. Ravi. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 8:37 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Thrill of the chaste - excellent title! Thanks for the link. Yes, Gandhi has always been one of my pet peeves. Never been too keen on Mother Teresa either. The thing about Gandhi for me is that, on the one hand, he presented himself as a naked sadhu - ie, someone who had *renounced* the world - and yet he was also a political figure - ie someone who was very much *engaged* with the world (and in a dangerously naive way to boot). The unthinking veneration in which he is held baffles me. And - no doubt because I'm English - I find the whole sexual hypocrisy aspect drives me up the wall! Maybe Penn Teller were a bit harsh on the Dalai Lama though. He is also a legitimate political leader and it's hard to keep squeaky clean in the world of realpolitik. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I had to come out of lurkdom to thank you for this beautiful video dear Seraphita. I have long railed against Gandhi, Teresa and Dolly Lama and I totally enjoyed this video, it is a good summary of these three pseudo-spiritual icons. That Gandhi was sexually perverted and slept with girls was a well known fact to me in India and my generation had no fascination for Gandhi. So I was quite baffled by the adoration of Gandhi by liberals and I know I pissed off quite a few with my statements on Gandhi. I recently had a chance to read this article on the Independent - enjoy. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html Ravi. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:25 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi and the Dalai Lama get the Penn and Teller treatment in this hilarious and foul-mouthed rant. http://tinyurl.com/nv68blw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bullshit - Holier than Thou
I had to come out of lurkdom to thank you for this beautiful video dear Seraphita. I have long railed against Gandhi, Teresa and Dolly Lama and I totally enjoyed this video, it is a good summary of these three pseudo-spiritual icons. That Gandhi was sexually perverted and slept with girls was a well known fact to me in India and my generation had no fascination for Gandhi. So I was quite baffled by the adoration of Gandhi by liberals and I know I pissed off quite a few with my statements on Gandhi. I recently had a chance to read this article on the Independent - enjoy. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html Ravi. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:25 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi and the Dalai Lama get the Penn and Teller treatment in this hilarious and foul-mouthed rant. http://tinyurl.com/nv68blw
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions.
Thank you dear Ann, and Bob - the beautiful, blessed, radiant Devi has beguiled and bewitched me for the last few weeks, I'm still under her spell so I'm not sure when I will be back. Love, Ravi On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:13 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thank you dear. Now a picture to make the dog lovers - Ann, Emily, Bob happy [image: Inline image 1] Aw Ravi, thank you for thinking of us and, as a cat lover, you took the time to find a picture of these wonderful puppies. When are you coming back? I miss you and all your sparks. On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:15 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Shut up, Share. Oh, I mean, there are more important things to think about. LOL. I quoted this below today from a post I made on this subject, over a day ago, that finally arrived in my inbox today at 7:28am; Testing. Last post did not arrive in my email box, nor the filtered box, nor the spam box. Blahh. Yep. Yahoo is working fine and dandy. NOT! PS. Ravi, Cute picture of the pussies watching cartoons. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Testing. This morning, I received the 3 most recent posts on FFL Message Board to my email box. Testing, randomly until I fuddle around with options and heck if I know why I have not received all the other posts through no_reply@ I noticed the few that came through the other day, to my email account were posts made by members who used their unhidden email account to post. Sorry I can't keep up with the streaming. My time schedule is a bit busier, but soon I will be able to glide through this and whack Nabby or someone upside the virtual head again. lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Experts, Emily?! I only have one expert and I haven't really asked her about the karma between you and me. And yes, I'm calling you looney. But only because you are reading posts that according to you say nothing, that are written by someone you think is operating with a certain level of insanity. That's looney IMHO! From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions. Â I didn't say you were looney, Share. Â You did. Â Are you calling me looney? Â I won't argue; I'm very fond of the loon and its mournful wail. This will remind you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ENNzjy8QjU I said you could try connecting your mind with your heart, because in your case, I believe that would help you out. Â And remember Share, I never give any advice to others' I don't give myself. Â What do your experts say about the karma that you and I have? Â From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions. Â Emily, here's a question for you: who's loonier, the poster who's allegedly looney, me, or the poster who continues to read the posts of the alleged looney one?! From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions. Â La la la.Share, it is amazing the volume of posts that you send that say absolutely nothing. Â Look for your heart, Share, and connect it with your mind. Â Your brain is wired poorly (so is mine, so don't feel badly) and your mind is operating with a certain level of insanity that you don't seem to see. Â You need to stop thinking and start feeling - internally, not externally. Â Â From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions. Â Emily, I think it's wonderful the knowledge and skill that people have been sharing and I'm so glad so many have made it through neo and just hope that Obbajee and salyavin are soon in that group. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:14 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions. Â Share, did you ever thank Judy for taking the lead on informing us as a group and responding to individual questions re:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: True Attention
Oh dear sweet Obba, your testing posts totally cracked me up this morning and knocked me, momentarily at least, out of my sadness. No worries though work's keeping me sane though, I look forward to the weekend to wallow in it unconditionally :-) This day, the second day of the waxing Moon in the nakshatra of the Uttaraphaalguni, the month of Bhaadrapada, to the beautiful, blessed, radiant one. [image: Inline image 1] On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Testing. FYI. I just received this original post to my inbox this afternoon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This post never came back from the Yahoo! black hole yesterday, so I'll try again because I had so much fun writing it... Overheard in a cafe on Ile Saint-Louis this morning: Saul? Is that you? How amazing to run into you here in Paris. What are you doing here? Knock it off, Morty. I saw you earlier stalking me outside my hotel, and following me here. You probably stalked me here all the way from L.A. What do you want? That was *your* hotel? I wasn't stalking you...I was...uh...just looking through the garbage cans to see whether Parisians recycle. Yeah, that's the ticket. Cut to the chase, Morty. What the fuck do you want? I want to pitch you a story idea for a new series, Saul. I know that you're interested in new ideas, original ideas, so I'm bringing it to you first, even though a bunch of other producers are already bugging me about it. Yeah, right. But OK, I'm in a good mood, and the *real* writer I'm waiting for isn't due for a few minutes, so you've got that long to give me your 'elevator pitch.' Thanks, Saul. I call it 'True Attention.' It's a story about a bunch of vampires who live in Faux Temps, Iowa and survive by sucking attention from other people. Iowa? It sounds more like L.A. Yeah, we could probably set it in L.A. if you wanted. Anyway, the main character is named Nookie Snackhouse, and she's *not* a vamp. But she is half fey...sort of a closet fey...and she has this ability to read people's minds, and know what their real thoughts and intentions are even better than the people whose minds she's reading do. She sounds like a real pain in the ass. But go on...where do the vamps fit into all of this? Well, first, they're not real vamps, like in that other series that this one is nothing like. They don't feed on blood or anything. Instead, just as you noted, they feed off of attention. Being unable to generate any kind of energy themselves, they suck it from other people by getting them to focus on them. So how do they do this? Do they, for example, stalk these victims whose attention they want to steal halfway around the world and corner them in a sidewalk cafe? No, no...nothing like that. Heh heh...good one, Saul. What they do, since none of these attention vamps have actually ever DONE anything in their lives that would attract the attention they feed off of, they get people to focus on them by insulting them, trying to portray them as stupid, and calling them names. And that works? More than you might think. Many of the vamps in Faux Temps have been running this number for *years*, and have managed to get a *lot* of people to focus on them and give them their attention so that they can feed off of it. And all without ever DOING anything to deserve that attention in the first place. I don't get it...they accomplish all this just by insulting people? Not *just* insulting people. Sometimes they make up stories about themselves and try to convince others that those stories are real. For example, they brag about their 'endarkenment,' or imply that they're successes in life even though they've never been anything but wage slaves. That's where Nookie comes in. The suspense is killing me. Do tell... Well, as I said, Nookie is *not* one of these vamps per se, and in fact is even less interesting than they are and has DONE even less in her life than they have, but she can read their thoughts and so she knows when they're bullshitting to attract attention and when they're not. Aha. So she busts them when she catches them lying? No, not at all. That's the twist. She ignores their bullshit, and instead praises them so that they'll focus on HER. When they do that, she sucks *their* attention. So in effect, she's got all these attention vampires *working for her*, stealing attention and energy from other people, and then passing it along to her by focusing on her. Brilliant, right? Sounds boring to me. Who on earth would tune in each week to watch a bunch of people who have never DONE anything in their lives try to suck attention, as if they were the center of the universe? Hey, Saul...don't knock it...it worked for 'Seinfeld.' Good point. So? Ya interested? Not
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: True Attention
Oh dear sweet Obba, your testing posts totally cracked me up this morning and knocked me, momentarily at least, out of my sadness. No worries though work's keeping me sane though , I look forward to the weekend to wallow in it unconditionally :-). T his day, the second day of the waxing Moon in the nakshatra of the Uttaraphaalguni, the month of Bhaadrapada, to the beautiful, blessed, radiant one [image: Inline image 1] On Sep 6, 2013, at 1:03 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Testing. FYI. I just received this original post to my inbox this afternoon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This post never came back from the Yahoo! black hole yesterday, so I'll try again because I had so much fun writing it... Overheard in a cafe on Ile Saint-Louis this morning: Saul? Is that you? How amazing to run into you here in Paris. What are you doing here? Knock it off, Morty. I saw you earlier stalking me outside my hotel, and following me here. You probably stalked me here all the way from L.A. What do you want? That was *your* hotel? I wasn't stalking you...I was...uh...just looking through the garbage cans to see whether Parisians recycle. Yeah, that's the ticket. Cut to the chase, Morty. What the fuck do you want? I want to pitch you a story idea for a new series, Saul. I know that you're interested in new ideas, original ideas, so I'm bringing it to you first, even though a bunch of other producers are already bugging me about it. Yeah, right. But OK, I'm in a good mood, and the *real* writer I'm waiting for isn't due for a few minutes, so you've got that long to give me your 'elevator pitch.' Thanks, Saul. I call it 'True Attention.' It's a story about a bunch of vampires who live in Faux Temps, Iowa and survive by sucking attention from other people. Iowa? It sounds more like L.A. Yeah, we could probably set it in L.A. if you wanted. Anyway, the main character is named Nookie Snackhouse, and she's *not* a vamp. But she is half fey...sort of a closet fey...and she has this ability to read people's minds, and know what their real thoughts and intentions are even better than the people whose minds she's reading do. She sounds like a real pain in the ass. But go on...where do the vamps fit into all of this? Well, first, they're not real vamps, like in that other series that this one is nothing like. They don't feed on blood or anything. Instead, just as you noted, they feed off of attention. Being unable to generate any kind of energy themselves, they suck it from other people by getting them to focus on them. So how do they do this? Do they, for example, stalk these victims whose attention they want to steal halfway around the world and corner them in a sidewalk cafe? No, no...nothing like that. Heh heh...good one, Saul. What they do, since none of these attention vamps have actually ever DONE anything in their lives that would attract the attention they feed off of, they get people to focus on them by insulting them, trying to portray them as stupid, and calling them names. And that works? More than you might think. Many of the vamps in Faux Temps have been running this number for *years*, and have managed to get a *lot* of people to focus on them and give them their attention so that they can feed off of it. And all without ever DOING anything to deserve that attention in the first place. I don't get it...they accomplish all this just by insulting people? Not *just* insulting people. Sometimes they make up stories about themselves and try to convince others that those stories are real. For example, they brag about their 'endarkenment,' or imply that they're successes in life even though they've never been anything but wage slaves. That's where Nookie comes in. The suspense is killing me. Do tell... Well, as I said, Nookie is *not* one of these vamps per se, and in fact is even less interesting than they are and has DONE even less in her life than they have, but she can read their thoughts and so she knows when they're bullshitting to attract attention and when they're not. Aha. So she busts them when she catches them lying? No, not at all. That's the twist. She ignores their bullshit, and instead praises them so that they'll focus on HER. When they do that, she sucks *their* attention. So in effect, she's got all these attention vampires *working for her*, stealing attention and energy from other people, and then passing it along to her by focusing on her. Brilliant, right? Sounds boring to me. Who on earth would tune in each week to watch a bunch of people who have never DONE anything in their lives try to suck attention, as if they were the center of the universe? Hey, Saul...don't knock it...it worked for 'Seinfeld.' Good point. So? Ya interested? Not really. Got anything else? Well, I am working on another completely original treatment called
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions.
Thank you dear. Now a picture to make the dog lovers - Ann, Emily, Bob happy [image: Inline image 1] On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:15 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Shut up, Share. Oh, I mean, there are more important things to think about. LOL. I quoted this below today from a post I made on this subject, over a day ago, that finally arrived in my inbox today at 7:28am; Testing. Last post did not arrive in my email box, nor the filtered box, nor the spam box. Blahh. Yep. Yahoo is working fine and dandy. NOT! PS. Ravi, Cute picture of the pussies watching cartoons. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Testing. This morning, I received the 3 most recent posts on FFL Message Board to my email box. Testing, randomly until I fuddle around with options and heck if I know why I have not received all the other posts through no_reply@ I noticed the few that came through the other day, to my email account were posts made by members who used their unhidden email account to post. Sorry I can't keep up with the streaming. My time schedule is a bit busier, but soon I will be able to glide through this and whack Nabby or someone upside the virtual head again. lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Experts, Emily?! I only have one expert and I haven't really asked her about the karma between you and me. And yes, I'm calling you looney. But only because you are reading posts that according to you say nothing, that are written by someone you think is operating with a certain level of insanity. That's looney IMHO! From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions. Â I didn't say you were looney, Share. Â You did. Â Are you calling me looney? Â I won't argue; I'm very fond of the loon and its mournful wail. This will remind you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ENNzjy8QjU I said you could try connecting your mind with your heart, because in your case, I believe that would help you out. Â And remember Share, I never give any advice to others' I don't give myself. Â What do your experts say about the karma that you and I have? Â From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions. Â Emily, here's a question for you: who's loonier, the poster who's allegedly looney, me, or the poster who continues to read the posts of the alleged looney one?! From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions. Â La la la.Share, it is amazing the volume of posts that you send that say absolutely nothing. Â Look for your heart, Share, and connect it with your mind. Â Your brain is wired poorly (so is mine, so don't feel badly) and your mind is operating with a certain level of insanity that you don't seem to see. Â You need to stop thinking and start feeling - internally, not externally. Â Â From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions. Â Emily, I think it's wonderful the knowledge and skill that people have been sharing and I'm so glad so many have made it through neo and just hope that Obbajee and salyavin are soon in that group. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:14 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions. Â Share, did you ever thank Judy for taking the lead on informing us as a group and responding to individual questions re: how to navigate Neo? Â Given your fervent thank you's to so many others', perhaps one for Judy would have been in order, instead of post after post from you in the early stages of this major change, containing nonsense (on a topic you know absolutely nothing about)Â and interfering in the attempts by the smarter ones to figure things out, followed by bickering and pouting when she and Alex both asked you to restrain yourself due to the ongoing confusion. Â For the good of the all and the individual, thank goodness Alex and
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions.
Ravi is too busy and can't be bothered but he is reading the posts during the commercial breaks and appreciates your concerns. [image: Inline image 1] On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm cheering for you, Obbajee, I know you can do it. Yes, where is that Ravi? I miss him. -- *From:* obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 4, 2013 11:25 AM *Subject:* RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 20 Big Questions. Oh good, because that coincides with my recent Shani Surya period and my raja yogas will kick in with my purchase of a substantial stake in their stock and allow this change to run smoothly. I may become a bit heated at times, but that will blow over quickly. I will have more fish to fry than the Turq, which is a good thing. Hey Ravi, how is yours hanging, baby? Share, I am working on this. I am still not getting the no_re...@yahoogroups.com. I am starting to get a trickle of posts by members using their open emails. 24 at the moment. I did run a filter. Did I say that before. Sorry for being redundant dealing with this retarded new format. Also, in two weeks, I go into major Venus cycle, which is guaranteed to make neo work perfectly and FFL meet absolutely everyone's expectations. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: buck, according to a couple of jyotishis there will be some help from Mercury and Saturn both exalted and Venus and Sun both stronger in their own signs. At least from Sept 6 to 16.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily - and Bob Ann
A nice picture of your dog in your other post dear Ann . I have some old photos of my first pet, a German Shepherd named Rambo, back in India - I should scan and post it sometime. I don't know about being a better human if I can love a cat, like any Indian the idea of cats as pets seemed strange but my ex apparently liked them and she wanted a cat. And then I loved cats so much - the second one named Veena- after the last syllables of our names and Veena was such a riot. When she was a little kitten she never walked, she just flew from one place to another, any moving object was a potential target and I even remember her leaping and hanging on to my ex's skirt every time LOL. I unfortunately don't have any of her pictures. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: LOL - love #23 #24 I guess I love cats more than dogs (does that make me an introvert? :-)), so I absolutely loved #7, that cute, little cat jumping all over that introverted dog :-) I loved that picture of the lab in #9, classic. And if you can love a cat you're a better human than me; I think they are generally harder to love but a dog is a no brainer - or at least they gravitate to my heart easily. On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:54 PM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ ...wrote: Excellent Ravi. No. 23. She goes to bed before her owner does No. 24. She maintains an existentially ferocious exterior to protect her inner introvert --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: 22 Signs Your Dog's An Introvert :-) http://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/signs-your-dogs-an-introvert http://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/signs-your-dogs-an-introvert To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: For Emily - and Bob Ann
Dear Bob, Did you miss something after particularJack thinks of himself as particular..? And now please relate the story of the Goan. And please don't call me ji, don't you know you are not supposed to address someone younger than you as ji? On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:34 PM, bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks Raviji, it was a big hit with the wife. She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted, but #8 captures his Saturday morning posting efforts to the FFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088DhELIqw8 --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: 22 Signs Your Dog's An Introvert :-) http://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/signs-your-dogs-an-introvert
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: For Emily - and Bob Ann
Dear Bob - I knew you would come back with something referring to you as young (didn't expect your palmist to figure in it so prominently though LOL). Anyway no issues with your posts, they all look fine. Yahoo hasn't unleashed Neo on me. I was referring to She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted - I was wondering if you missed anything after particular - oh well. So yeah you are good on the Goan. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:03 PM, bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: Raja Ravi, I assumed since my palmist told me I was a young soul you'd give me a pass on ji; it won't happen again. Neo continues to outperform, I wonder my posts to RD and TB were also cut off? I clicked on the three dots in the LLHC of your post back and my full post to you was there, can you see all of it this time (before I tell you about the Goan): Thanks Raviji, it was a big hit with the wife. She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted, but #8 captures his Saturday morning posting efforts to the FFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088DhELIqw8 --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Bob, Did you miss something after particularJack thinks of himself as particular..? And now please relate the story of the Goan. And please don't call me ji, don't you know you are not supposed to address someone younger than you as ji? On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:34 PM, bobpriced@... wrote: Thanks Raviji, it was a big hit with the wife. She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted, but #8 captures his Saturday morning posting efforts to the FFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088DhELIqw8 --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: 22 Signs Your Dog's An Introvert :-) http://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/signs-your-dogs-an-introvert
Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: For Emily - and Bob Ann
Thanks dear Judy - I don't ever recall reading or hearing such a usage of particular - that's good to know. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:37 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Particular can mean fastidious, choosy, picky, hard-to-please. Not sure if that's what The Wife had in mind, but most likely along those lines. It's a legitimate use of the term. The lack of the indefinite article is a sign nothing has been left out. Otherwise she'd have said Jack thinks of himself as *a* particular [something]... --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Bob - I knew you would come back with something referring to you as young (didn't expect your palmist to figure in it so prominently though LOL). Anyway no issues with your posts, they all look fine. Yahoo hasn't unleashed Neo on me. I was referring to She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted - I was wondering if you missed anything after particular - oh well. So yeah you are good on the Goan. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:03 PM, bobpriced@... wrote: Raja Ravi, I assumed since my palmist told me I was a young soul you'd give me a pass on ji; it won't happen again. Neo continues to outperform, I wonder my posts to RD and TB were also cut off? I clicked on the three dots in the LLHC of your post back and my full post to you was there, can you see all of it this time (before I tell you about the Goan): Thanks Raviji, it was a big hit with the wife. She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted, but #8 captures his Saturday morning posting efforts to the FFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088DhELIqw8 --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Bob, Did you miss something after particularJack thinks of himself as particular..? And now please relate the story of the Goan. And please don't call me ji, don't you know you are not supposed to address someone younger than you as ji? On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:34 PM, bobpriced@... wrote: Thanks Raviji, it was a big hit with the wife. She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted, but #8 captures his Saturday morning posting efforts to the FFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088DhELIqw8 --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: 22 Signs Your Dog's An Introvert :-) http://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/signs-your-dogs-an-introvert
Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: For Emily - and Bob Ann
That was funny dear Bob, not sure why she was doing that, I thought the Goan Christians and Hindus got along pretty well - thanks for that. I have only been to Goa once, my dad took me there when I was 3-4 years old. He was in the Army - only 2 memories of Goa - of being out at the sea and once waking up in the middle of night in the army style dormitory to find some weird animal/human like creature dancing at the front of the hall. Scared the hell out of me, closed my eyes and crept further towards my dad. I have chalked up the origin of this mythical creature to the over-active imagination of a 4 year old :-) On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM, bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: Ravi, *Choosy* might have been a better choice than particular. I'm pleased Yahoo has not unleashed Neo on you yet, good karma is my guess. As you know, Dubai is pretty much an over the top suburb of Mumbai; at one of my companies a newbie hired a Goan receptionist because he liked the way she looked ( I didn't argue when I saw her), despite the fact most of our clients were Hindu. In the quarter following her hire both sales and cost of sales dropped noticeably; for a while we couldn't figure out the drop in sales till we realized she was throwing away messages from some of our largest Hindu buyers; when I told one of the managers to get rid of her he pointed out that the reason our costs had also dropped was that she was excellent at getting suppliers in the States on the phone; I asked him why, and he said he thought that with her Portuguese name they likely thought she was an exotic dancer from Brazil. We kept her and she made a lot of money for the company. I won't mention her name, but I will say that my all time favorite Goan name belongs to a sales guy I used to know, his name is Chrysler Marquis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_K__3OKkFg --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Bob - I knew you would come back with something referring to you as young (didn't expect your palmist to figure in it so prominently though LOL). Anyway no issues with your posts, they all look fine. Yahoo hasn't unleashed Neo on me. I was referring to She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted - I was wondering if you missed anything after particular - oh well. So yeah you are good on the Goan. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:03 PM, bobpriced@... wrote: Raja Ravi, I assumed since my palmist told me I was a young soul you'd give me a pass on ji; it won't happen again. Neo continues to outperform, I wonder my posts to RD and TB were also cut off? I clicked on the three dots in the LLHC of your post back and my full post to you was there, can you see all of it this time (before I tell you about the Goan): Thanks Raviji, it was a big hit with the wife. She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted, but #8 captures his Saturday morning posting efforts to the FFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088DhELIqw8 --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Bob, Did you miss something after particularJack thinks of himself as particular..? And now please relate the story of the Goan. And please don't call me ji, don't you know you are not supposed to address someone younger than you as ji? On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:34 PM, bobpriced@... wrote: Thanks Raviji, it was a big hit with the wife. She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted, but #8 captures his Saturday morning posting efforts to the FFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088DhELIqw8 --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: 22 Signs Your Dog's An Introvert :-) http://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/signs-your-dogs-an-introvert
Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: For Emily - and Bob Ann
I wish I knew dear Bob - now that you say it it did look like a reindeer standing up like a human and with horns. Damn..LOL. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:24 PM, bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: Doubt she's representative of all Goans, although she did have a certain terminal uniqueness about her. I love your story, it didn't happened to be Christmas did it? If it did, I might speculate on whether it was Santa or one of the Reindeer you saw (they stop in Goa you know). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9sKpDSAQ7I --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: That was funny dear Bob, not sure why she was doing that, I thought the Goan Christians and Hindus got along pretty well - thanks for that. I have only been to Goa once, my dad took me there when I was 3-4 years old. He was in the Army - only 2 memories of Goa - of being out at the sea and once waking up in the middle of night in the army style dormitory to find some weird animal/human like creature dancing at the front of the hall. Scared the hell out of me, closed my eyes and crept further towards my dad. I have chalked up the origin of this mythical creature to the over-active imagination of a 4 year old :-) On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM, bobpriced@... wrote: Ravi, *Choosy* might have been a better choice than particular. I'm pleased Yahoo has not unleashed Neo on you yet, good karma is my guess. As you know, Dubai is pretty much an over the top suburb of Mumbai; at one of my companies a newbie hired a Goan receptionist because he liked the way she looked ( I didn't argue when I saw her), despite the fact most of our clients were Hindu. In the quarter following her hire both sales and cost of sales dropped noticeably; for a while we couldn't figure out the drop in sales till we realized she was throwing away messages from some of our largest Hindu buyers; when I told one of the managers to get rid of her he pointed out that the reason our costs had also dropped was that she was excellent at getting suppliers in the States on the phone; I asked him why, and he said he thought that with her Portuguese name they likely thought she was an exotic dancer from Brazil. We kept her and she made a lot of money for the company. I won't mention her name, but I will say that my all time favorite Goan name belongs to a sales guy I used to know, his name is Chrysler Marquis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_K__3OKkFg --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Bob - I knew you would come back with something referring to you as young (didn't expect your palmist to figure in it so prominently though LOL). Anyway no issues with your posts, they all look fine. Yahoo hasn't unleashed Neo on me. I was referring to She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted - I was wondering if you missed anything after particular - oh well. So yeah you are good on the Goan. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:03 PM, bobpriced@... wrote: Raja Ravi, I assumed since my palmist told me I was a young soul you'd give me a pass on ji; it won't happen again. Neo continues to outperform, I wonder my posts to RD and TB were also cut off? I clicked on the three dots in the LLHC of your post back and my full post to you was there, can you see all of it this time (before I tell you about the Goan): Thanks Raviji, it was a big hit with the wife. She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted, but #8 captures his Saturday morning posting efforts to the FFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088DhELIqw8 --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Bob, Did you miss something after particularJack thinks of himself as particular..? And now please relate the story of the Goan. And please don't call me ji, don't you know you are not supposed to address someone younger than you as ji? On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:34 PM, bobpriced@... wrote: Thanks Raviji, it was a big hit with the wife. She said our Jack thinks of himself as particular rather than introverted, but #8 captures his Saturday morning posting efforts to the FFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088DhELIqw8 --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote: 22 Signs Your Dog's An Introvert :-) http://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/signs-your-dogs-an-introvert
[FairfieldLife] For Emily - and Bob Ann
22 Signs Your Dog's An Introvert :-) http://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/signs-your-dogs-an-introvert http://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/signs-your-dogs-an-introvert
[FairfieldLife] For Barry - Uncle Tantrum Narcissus
23 signs you're a secret narcissist - yes you are Barry, STOP LYING !!! http://www.salon.com/2013/08/27/stop_telling_me_youre_a_sensitive_introv\ ert_partner/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/27/stop_telling_me_youre_a_sensitive_intro\ vert_partner/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily - and Bob Ann
LOL - love #23 #24 I guess I love cats more than dogs (does that make me an introvert? :-)), so I absolutely loved #7, that cute, little cat jumping all over that introverted dog :-) On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:54 PM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: Excellent Ravi. No. 23. She goes to bed before her owner does No. 24. She maintains an existentially ferocious exterior to protect her inner introvert --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: 22 Signs Your Dog's An Introvert :-) http://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/signs-your-dogs-an-introvert http://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/signs-your-dogs-an-introvert To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post - Siduri in the Epic of Gilgamesh
Yes dear Emily - thank you for that, I'm the only true lover on this planet, the rest are all pretenders. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:54 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: Dear Bob, you get right to the heart of the matter, as always. Have a facial on me. I heard this the other day love is absolute vulnerability.reminded me of Ravi (smile). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Emily Reyn wrote: Dear Bob, given what Siduri says, I would suggest that you get the pedicure.  Mean girl love, Emily Dear Emily, Siduri is a character in the Epic of Gilgamesh. She is an alewife, a wise female divinity associated with fermentation. ***Fermentation, with the correct formula of herbs and oils, is one of the secrets of longevity. In the Old Babylonian version of the Epic, she attempts to dissuade Gilgamesh in his quest forimmortality, ***The secrets of immortality include: create something, and don't die. urging him to be content with the simple pleasures of life ***The simple pleasure of enjoying the total internal reflection of a diamond depends on the complex process creating the proportions of a brilliant cut. (Gilgamesh, whither are you wandering? ***Its my experience that self invention is addictive (you could also check with Voldemort). Life, which you look for, you will never find. ***I'm not sure we put away childish things although I'm convinced Love suffers long and is kind... For when the gods created man, they let death be his share, and life withheld in their own hands. ***One of a number of reasons I'm disappointed that Robin no longer graces this forum is that he was one of the few I found here that understands a life well lived requires death to be examined; I was also curious to hear his thoughts on money, could they be related? Gilgamesh, fill your belly. Day and night make merry. Let days be full of joy, dance and make music day and night. And wear fresh clothes. And wash your head and bathe. ***I'm working to rectify my truncated childhood. Look at the child that is holding your hand, and let your wife delight in your embrace. These things alone are the concern of men.)[1]Siduri's advice was recorded in the Old Babylonian version of Tablet X referred to as the Meissner fragment. ***If men could follow these suggestions perhaps the relative barbarity of gassing and shelling would no longer be so much of concern of a for us. I'll be visiting the SPA today. From: bobpriced bobpriced@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Jason wrote: --- bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote: As I'm sure he knows, I'm a huge fan of Turq's posts; so I'm wondering if anyone would be kind enough to translate this one for me, particularly the last paragraph. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhSjwU8gEsI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhSjwU8gEsI Hey Bob, it's so nice to have you here. You add color and an extra dimension to this group. I think you scared Barry which is why he doesn't reply to you. We are geneticaly hardwired to see symmetrical faces and clear skin as attractive. It indicates the genetic health of the individual, resistance to infections etc. Perhaps it does irk him a bit when a woman gets attrracted to a baldy like MMY. There are 6 categories of immune systems in humans and it's reflected in facial features and smell. You are attracted to someone with a complementary immune system. You are not attracted to someone with a similar immune system. It's a mechanism by nature to prevent in-breeding. It also ensures that the ofspring are healthy and have better immune systems. Thanks Jason, I plan to read more about this; it could explain why all the wives are brunettes and I'm blond and our children are all Eurasian, and why mosquitoes within 100 miles want to make a meal out of me and never lay a glove on them. I'm thinking it may also explain why I'm attracted to multilingual women who speak English as a second or third language; unlike that ungrateful sod Murdoch (remember she almost took a pie in the face for him)---who, just after filing for divorce, was overheard telling a friend that after 15 years of marriage he realized had never understood what Wendi was saying---I happen to believe that not speaking the same first language as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Empty baby - I only asked you to go the abode of Raakshasaas to provide the perspective on how the innocence and playfulness of this dark Krishna appears to them. You can come back now empty baby. Oh wait a minute - are you stuck baby? OMG - why did I ever ask you to go there, so stupid of me. That idiot empty thinks that is the reality - fuck !!! On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:54 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: This is how the guile, artifice and self-indulgence of a fool displays itself o' ego-bloated brahma rakshasa. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Is this how the innocence, beauty and playfulness of Krishna comes across to you oh empty Rakshasaa? On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:12 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Raviola Yer like a teenage boy high on meth. Stop sounding like a fool ... fool. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
I see you empty..OMG how can I ever forgive myself [image: Inline image 1] On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: Empty baby - I only asked you to go the abode of Raakshasaas to provide the perspective on how the innocence and playfulness of this dark Krishna appears to them. You can come back now empty baby. Oh wait a minute - are you stuck baby? OMG - why did I ever ask you to go there, so stupid of me. That idiot empty thinks that is the reality - fuck !!! On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:54 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: This is how the guile, artifice and self-indulgence of a fool displays itself o' ego-bloated brahma rakshasa. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Is this how the innocence, beauty and playfulness of Krishna comes across to you oh empty Rakshasaa? On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:12 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Raviola Yer like a teenage boy high on meth. Stop sounding like a fool ... fool. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Grandpa Xeno -it's perfectly OK for you to share your experiences with the emotionally, psychologically stunted like Uncle Tantrum and Aunt Share, but please, I repeat DO NOT share your psychotically enlightened experiences with normal people. STAY AWAY FROM CIVILIZATION !!! On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I experimented and researched. But eventually it was kind of full circle, I ended up reading about things that initially propelled me on the journey, and found answers to questions I could not find easily within the TM org and TM teachers. What propelled the restoration of interest in all this was a sudden unexpected shift in experience. Everything I had thought had failed, proved in retrospect to have been useful, but to have had more specific information at specific times in my life would possibly have made the process more efficient. I'm not convinced that would be true. Information that told you what an experience meant would have been just one more bit of misinformation, after all. The experience was what it was -- nothing more, and nothing less. I was thinking along the lines of not what a description of an experience means but how a description helps one navigate an experience. Obviously, if I have the thought that things might have been 'better' if I had had more useful information at the time, this thought is not going to apply to me now, but it might be useful to someone else later on, so they do not get quite so stuck. Not so much what this means, but what do I do, if anything, when such and such happens, and I do not understand what is happening? Certain traditional hand-me-downs do become useful, such as what a screw is, and what a screwdriver is, and how to use them in what circumstance, and how these items relate to sticking things together. After what I would call a very clear but subdued awakening experience some years ago, things were pretty nice for several years. There was something about this particular experience, unlike others I had had long ago, that I could not grasp in any way. Even the attempt to talk about it stymied me. Then all hell broke loose. A vast amount of repressed material rose up and flowed out of me. A total surprise. So clearly the awakening was not a clean slate. It was ultra intense, say twenty times more intense than anything I had experienced up to then. And the experience was truly unusual because while my regular life flowed along, there was this other stuff that I knew was not real, but it felt so real it was impossible to not act on it. It was like my mind was split in two with two parallel lives running simultaneously, one the present and the other thoughts, feelings, behaviours from long ago. I had no clue what was happening. If I had asked a TM teacher what was happening they probably would have said I was 'just unstressing, that I should take it easy and maybe get my meditation checked or something'. No really useful information or guidelines that apply directly. Extreme experiences like this seem to be swept under the rug by TM teachers, anything not in the template. I suspect they do not really have any training to handle them. I found a solution in what I was reading. It seems that after a clear awakening, one's ability to keep repressed material repressed simply falls apart. The can of worms is open, and if something triggers the experience, you cannot close it, and the experience really does seem like you are coming apart at the seams. All you can do is endure it. Nothing helps. It is as if finally there is enough room in your world to experience this. The intellectual knowledge that this is common, that others experienced it, and that it is super intense, and that you have to go through it because there is no way to back out, is really useful. Kind of like the emotional equivalent of childbirth as far as pain. That information, along with the stability conferred by awakening allowed me to get through it, just barely. Without that information I would have been a lot more confused, and perhaps would have done things even more stupid than had occurred to me to attempt at the time. Half of my time during this was acting on a mental delusion caused by the release. Finally it subsided after a few years. It was a strangely miserable/wonderful several years. After that my sense of stability was much, much greater, and the character of the experience that I had had before this happened was much clearer. Maybe it will happen again. I simply do not know. The result now I would not call bliss, but a sense of profound evenness that has been stable for some time. I have no illusions that this evenness will never be disrupted again. But it has been pretty nice.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
I just talked to Devi empty baby and she is - like me, really really concerned about your childish fantasies. Once you come back home - we can address your emotional, social handicaps. You are coming back home - aren't you empty baby? On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:23 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: O' raviola you finally found me - appearing in the form of my mentor: * Vajrabhairava*, the impenetrable terrifier *who is death to death itself* and his wife ... *Vajravetali,* the adamintine vampiress who sucks the life-blood of the samaya breakers, the oath violators who violate their original words of divine honor to help sentient beings. However, as a Brahma-rakshasa you wouldn't know about that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: I see you empty..OMG how can I ever forgive myself [image: Inline image 1] On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...wrote: Empty baby - I only asked you to go the abode of Raakshasaas to provide the perspective on how the innocence and playfulness of this dark Krishna appears to them. You can come back now empty baby. Oh wait a minute - are you stuck baby? OMG - why did I ever ask you to go there, so stupid of me. That idiot empty thinks that is the reality - fuck !!! On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:54 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This is how the guile, artifice and self-indulgence of a fool displays itself o' ego-bloated brahma rakshasa. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Is this how the innocence, beauty and playfulness of Krishna comes across to you oh empty Rakshasaa? On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:12 PM, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Raviola Yer like a teenage boy high on meth. Stop sounding like a fool ... fool. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Oh dear Ann please forgive my empty baby, the Devi I vouch for him. He may lack social, emotional skills, talk gibberish - but he is innocent and totally harmless. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Annie Gottagun Oh empty chamber, all those bullets you keep expelling and now you're smoking hot. Thanks for finally clarifying it all. So glad you finally showed what you really learned in secret from the World Teacher. in secret? You too are now a discerner of intent and the disguised motivations of the demons. Are you a demon?! Yoiks and all this time I mistook you for this kinda bitter guy without the sweetness but a man nevertheless. Gotta a circle of disciples yet? Well, not a circle exactly, more like a trapezoidal figure. I'm not sure they're disciples exactly, they come and ride with me sometimes or help me pick apples in the orchard. Do you ever pick apples empty chamber/smoking gun? We have a rather large, abandoned orchard with pears and figs and plums (both golden and purple) blackberries, holly, peaches, cherries and the deer and rats and birds love to eat there. This is where I and my would-be disciples sometimes pick apples for the horses which we gather in wheelbarrows; there are just so many apples and these are many types of heritage apples grafted onto other apples trees by the previous property owner. Oh, and we have one horse buried in that orchard. An old jumper who deserved to be placed in the ground underneath the fruit trees so that he didn't have to be carted off and thrown into a pit at the local dump. He wasn't my horse but he earned the privilege to come and find a quiet resting spot after a life of racing for 8 years and jumping for another 12. My old mare of 29 years will be buried in that orchard next to him. Her name is Annapurna. You might like her; she is wise and gentle and beautiful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Raviola Yer like a teenage boy high on meth. Stop sounding like a fool ... fool. EB, you are always scolding someone. Now you're sounding like Buck, at least in your intention to silence. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Devi is after me again empty baby - she is recommending this game for you http://www.muchgames.com/games/demon-girl-dress-up She thinks it may be the cure for your emotional handicap fueled fantasies. [image: Inline image 1] On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: AnniePurna You got yer psycho-RN training from the World Teacher, so I know you already know how those demons subvert the innocents from using their free-will power-to-choose. Heh, Heh. FYI - A chamber has to be empty to receive the trust of the fitted bullet - but the heat only erupts as the round explodes. Also FYI - My mom was a jumper. My parents bred quarter-horse and appaloosa. One of the apps was a cutting horse and a joy to ride. But that was never my main interest. BTW - Enjoy your North American domicile while you can - after all the 'smericans you chanuckistani's hate are the sole protectors of your sweet hyperborean paradise. Just remember that death is stalking us all, even when we're acting like it isn't so. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Annie Gottagun Oh empty chamber, all those bullets you keep expelling and now you're smoking hot. Thanks for finally clarifying it all. So glad you finally showed what you really learned in secret from the World Teacher. in secret? You too are now a discerner of intent and the disguised motivations of the demons. Are you a demon?! Yoiks and all this time I mistook you for this kinda bitter guy without the sweetness but a man nevertheless. Gotta a circle of disciples yet? Well, not a circle exactly, more like a trapezoidal figure. I'm not sure they're disciples exactly, they come and ride with me sometimes or help me pick apples in the orchard. Do you ever pick apples empty chamber/smoking gun? We have a rather large, abandoned orchard with pears and figs and plums (both golden and purple) blackberries, holly, peaches, cherries and the deer and rats and birds love to eat there. This is where I and my would-be disciples sometimes pick apples for the horses which we gather in wheelbarrows; there are just so many apples and these are many types of heritage apples grafted onto other apples trees by the previous property owner. Oh, and we have one horse buried in that orchard. An old jumper who deserved to be placed in the ground underneath the fruit trees so that he didn't have to be carted off and thrown into a pit at the local dump. He wasn't my horse but he earned the privilege to come and find a quiet resting spot after a life of racing for 8 years and jumping for another 12. My old mare of 29 years will be buried in that orchard next to him. Her name is Annapurna. You might like her; she is wise and gentle and beautiful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Raviola Yer like a teenage boy high on meth. Stop sounding like a fool ... fool. EB, you are always scolding someone. Now you're sounding like Buck, at least in your intention to silence. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
Guys, guys - come one why these long faces? You should be happy that you were lucky enough to be alive during Raja Ravi's time. On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:32 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: You got what you deserved Edg. How'z come you weren't born during Ramana Maharishi's time? Howz come that? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: How'z'come it is that we always ask, Why did Maharishi have sex? instead of: Why in the fuck are we such spiritual toads that he's all we could muster up for a guru? Gotta agree with Steve on this one, Edg. TMers got pretty much what they deserved, because they showed all the discrimination of this woman, when utilizing the services of a Ghostbuster. And with the same result: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/24/ghostbuster-exorcism-with-penis_n_3809865.html Who ya gonna call? :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Do you realize Grandpa Xeno how psychopathically deranged your experiences sound? You are too alienated emotionally, psychologically - god I felt so sick reading your vomit. On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Over the years I've been on this forum, I have gradually ceased to believe that there is a universally applicable scheme for the development of enlightenment, such that if someone doesn't have *this* experience or does have *that* experience, it means they are (or are not) enlightened. Some experiences (or lack of same) may be more common than others, but you can't make absolute, across-the-board rules that apply to all individuals without exception, any more than you can do it with the experience of falling in love. The uniqueness of first-person ontology remains just that. My opinion, anyway. [to Dr Dumbass] Not what I meant by scheme. I meant something like Maharishi's Seven States of Consciousness--an outline, format, a schedule, a list of symptoms. First-person ontology is the thing that enlightenment gets rid of, I question this and every other statement you've made in this post that you apply across the board, as opposed to describing your own experience. I am describing my own experience. That is all I have. There is just experience. Not experiences, with an 's', but experience, singular. Experience*s* are like sub directories or folders on a computer. It is not uncommon these days, others on this forum certainly seem to be experiencing something similar. There are a number of people in Fairfield having this kind of experience. And, I am confident, many others in all walks of life having these experiences. It is in the air. It is not just a matter of TM, there are lots of groups and people bent on awakening and succeeding. I say these things across the board because that is the way I experience these things and there is some support in the environment for this way of describing human experience in long term meditators. None of this is special with me. You have every prerogative to question (although you have not actually questioned anything above, you have only stated that you question it). Mapping out benchmarks for spiritual development is a minefield because as you said, 'I think there are likely many exceptions and anomalies', so there are people who are not going to fit the mold. My outline using the terms M used is just one way one could try to map general categories of experience. For example, Charles Manson shows a number of characteristics of unity if we examine his statements, but he is also insane, a psychopath, and lacks certain characteristics that a presumably normal person would have, so he would be a significant outlier in any scheme that purports to categorise enlightenment benchmarks. I have a collection of Classical music recordings. I always have trouble trying to shelf them in some coherent way. My system here is generally by time period and the composer's name, using the date of death as a marker within a time period and beyond that I can remember where most composers lie on the time line. I think M's scheme for enlightenment is workable for many people, it is more detailed than some schemes, but in the end any scheme turns out to be nonsense, but it has applicability for giving one a bearing while on the path. If a person's experience is anomalous, a scheme will appear to be wrong to that person. In retrospect a scheme might even seem more on point than when one was on the path, because when you are on the path, you do not really know what you are headed for, or even where you are, and a benchmark isn't a specific experience, it is an general category of experience so making a mistake in interpreting what is going on is certainly a reasonable assumption. Even the belief in a scheme might be useful just to keep you going. My experiences were in some ways anomalous and that led to much doubt. I went through a long period where I did not want to read anything about spiritual development, meditating all the while, but just not interested in hearing about or discussing it. Also run-of-the-mill TM discussions can be incredibly boring. At any point in a spiritual path all one really needs is information that applies directly to what one's experience or experiences are just at that time, and not any other drivel; it does not always work to apply cookie cutter templates. The TM movement does not really want you to look at other stuff, but eventually that is what helped me most; I took complete control of my 'program' away from the movement over time because it failed to provide the information I
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
OMFG get a clue, next time please keep your intellectual vomit to yourselves no one other than my deluded Aunt Share even pays attention to your bullshit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Do you realize Grandpa Xeno how psychopathically deranged your experiences sound? You are too alienated emotionally, psychologically - god I felt so sick reading your vomit. On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Over the years I've been on this forum, I have gradually ceased to believe that there is a universally applicable scheme for the development of enlightenment, such that if someone doesn't have *this* experience or does have *that* experience, it means they are (or are not) enlightened. Some experiences (or lack of same) may be more common than others, but you can't make absolute, across-the-board rules that apply to all individuals without exception, any more than you can do it with the experience of falling in love. The uniqueness of first-person ontology remains just that. My opinion, anyway. [to Dr Dumbass] Not what I meant by scheme. I meant something like Maharishi's Seven States of Consciousness--an outline, format, a schedule, a list of symptoms. First-person ontology is the thing that enlightenment gets rid of, I question this and every other statement you've made in this post that you apply across the board, as opposed to describing your own experience. I am describing my own experience. That is all I have. There is just experience. Not experiences, with an 's', but experience, singular. Experience*s* are like sub directories or folders on a computer. It is not uncommon these days, others on this forum certainly seem to be experiencing something similar. There are a number of people in Fairfield having this kind of experience. And, I am confident, many others in all walks of life having these experiences. It is in the air. It is not just a matter of TM, there are lots of groups and people bent on awakening and succeeding. I say these things across the board because that is the way I experience these things and there is some support in the environment for this way of describing human experience in long term meditators. None of this is special with me. You have every prerogative to question (although you have not actually questioned anything above, you have only stated that you question it). Mapping out benchmarks for spiritual development is a minefield because as you said, 'I think there are likely many exceptions and anomalies', so there are people who are not going to fit the mold. My outline using the terms M used is just one way one could try to map general categories of experience. For example, Charles Manson shows a number of characteristics of unity if we examine his statements, but he is also insane, a psychopath, and lacks certain characteristics that a presumably normal person would have, so he would be a significant outlier in any scheme that purports to categorise enlightenment benchmarks. I have a collection of Classical music recordings. I always have trouble trying to shelf them in some coherent way. My system here is generally by time period and the composer's name, using the date of death as a marker within a time period and beyond that I can remember where most composers lie on the time line. I think M's scheme for enlightenment is workable for many people, it is more detailed than some schemes, but in the end any scheme turns out to be nonsense, but it has applicability for giving one a bearing while on the path. If a person's experience is anomalous, a scheme will appear to be wrong to that person. In retrospect a scheme might even seem more on point than when one was on the path, because when you are on the path, you do not really know what you are headed for, or even where you are, and a benchmark isn't a specific experience, it is an general category of experience so making a mistake in interpreting what is going on is certainly a reasonable assumption. Even the belief in a scheme might be useful just to keep you going. My experiences were in some ways anomalous and that led to much doubt. I went through a long period where I did not want to read anything about spiritual development, meditating all the while, but just not interested in hearing about or discussing it. Also run-of-the-mill TM discussions can be incredibly boring. At any point in a spiritual path all one really needs is information that applies directly to what one's experience or experiences are just at that time, and not any other drivel; it does not always
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Is this what Grandpa Xeno had to say in his defense? Why can't he say so himself? Why does he need you to speak on his behalf? What do the doctors say - that it's acceptable behavior as long as the object of the deranged rant not a family member? It's very frustrating, there seems to be no end in sight to Grandpa's pathological behavior. P.S may be you were joking but Judy's not my aunt - YOU are, unless you are singing Grandpa tune? OMG - I hope not. On Aug 26, 2013, at 4:57 AM, sharelong60 sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: but but but Ravi, Xeno wrote this in reply to your aunt Judy! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: OMFG get a clue, next time please keep your intellectual vomit to yourselves no one other than my deluded Aunt Share even pays attention to your bullshit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Do you realize Grandpa Xeno how psychopathically deranged your experiences sound? You are too alienated emotionally, psychologically - god I felt so sick reading your vomit. On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Over the years I've been on this forum, I have gradually ceased to believe that there is a universally applicable scheme for the development of enlightenment, such that if someone doesn't have *this* experience or does have *that* experience, it means they are (or are not) enlightened. Some experiences (or lack of same) may be more common than others, but you can't make absolute, across-the-board rules that apply to all individuals without exception, any more than you can do it with the experience of falling in love. The uniqueness of first-person ontology remains just that. My opinion, anyway. [to Dr Dumbass] Not what I meant by scheme. I meant something like Maharishi's Seven States of Consciousness--an outline, format, a schedule, a list of symptoms. First-person ontology is the thing that enlightenment gets rid of, I question this and every other statement you've made in this post that you apply across the board, as opposed to describing your own experience. I am describing my own experience. That is all I have. There is just experience. Not experiences, with an 's', but experience, singular. Experience*s* are like sub directories or folders on a computer. It is not uncommon these days, others on this forum certainly seem to be experiencing something similar. There are a number of people in Fairfield having this kind of experience. And, I am confident, many others in all walks of life having these experiences. It is in the air. It is not just a matter of TM, there are lots of groups and people bent on awakening and succeeding. I say these things across the board because that is the way I experience these things and there is some support in the environment for this way of describing human experience in long term meditators. None of this is special with me. You have every prerogative to question (although you have not actually questioned anything above, you have only stated that you question it). Mapping out benchmarks for spiritual development is a minefield because as you said, 'I think there are likely many exceptions and anomalies', so there are people who are not going to fit the mold. My outline using the terms M used is just one way one could try to map general categories of experience. For example, Charles Manson shows a number of characteristics of unity if we examine his statements, but he is also insane, a psychopath, and lacks certain characteristics that a presumably normal person would have, so he would be a significant outlier in any scheme that purports to categorise enlightenment benchmarks. I have a collection of Classical music recordings. I always have trouble trying to shelf them in some coherent way. My system here is generally by time period and the composer's name, using the date of death as a marker within a time period and beyond that I can remember where most composers lie on the time line. I think M's scheme for enlightenment is workable for many people, it is more detailed than some schemes, but in the end any scheme turns out to be nonsense, but it has applicability for giving one a bearing while on the path. If a person's experience is anomalous, a scheme will appear to be wrong to that person. In retrospect a scheme might even seem more on point than when one was on the path, because when you are on the path, you do not really know what you are headed for, or even where you are, and a benchmark isn't a specific experience, it is an general category of experience so making a mistake in interpreting what
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Is this how the innocence, beauty and playfulness of Krishna comes across to you oh empty Rakshasaa? On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:12 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Raviola Yer like a teenage boy high on meth. Stop sounding like a fool ... fool. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Is this what Grandpa Xeno had to say in his defense? Why can't he say so himself? Why does he need you to speak on his behalf? What do the doctors say - that it's acceptable behavior as long as the object of the deranged rant not a family member? It's very frustrating, there seems to be no end in sight to Grandpa's pathological behavior. P.S may be you were joking but Judy's not my aunt - YOU are, unless you are singing Grandpa tune? OMG - I hope not. On Aug 26, 2013, at 4:57 AM, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: but but but Ravi, Xeno wrote this in reply to your aunt Judy! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: OMFG get a clue, next time please keep your intellectual vomit to yourselves no one other than my deluded Aunt Share even pays attention to your bullshit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Do you realize Grandpa Xeno how psychopathically deranged your experiences sound? You are too alienated emotionally, psychologically - god I felt so sick reading your vomit. On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Over the years I've been on this forum, I have gradually ceased to believe that there is a universally applicable scheme for the development of enlightenment, such that if someone doesn't have *this* experience or does have *that* experience, it means they are (or are not) enlightened. Some experiences (or lack of same) may be more common than others, but you can't make absolute, across-the-board rules that apply to all individuals without exception, any more than you can do it with the experience of falling in love. The uniqueness of first-person ontology remains just that. My opinion, anyway. [to Dr Dumbass] Not what I meant by scheme. I meant something like Maharishi's Seven States of Consciousness--an outline, format, a schedule, a list of symptoms. First-person ontology is the thing that enlightenment gets rid of, I question this and every other statement you've made in this post that you apply across the board, as opposed to describing your own experience. I am describing my own experience. That is all I have. There is just experience. Not experiences, with an 's', but experience, singular. Experience*s* are like sub directories or folders on a computer. It is not uncommon these days, others on this forum certainly seem to be experiencing something similar. There are a number of people in Fairfield having this kind of experience. And, I am confident, many others in all walks of life having these experiences. It is in the air. It is not just a matter of TM, there are lots of groups and people bent on awakening and succeeding. I say these things across the board because that is the way I experience these things and there is some support in the environment for this way of describing human experience in long term meditators. None of this is special with me. You have every prerogative to question (although you have not actually questioned anything above, you have only stated that you question it). Mapping out benchmarks for spiritual development is a minefield because as you said, 'I think there are likely many exceptions and anomalies', so there are people who are not going to fit the mold. My outline using the terms M used is just one way one could try to map general categories of experience. For example, Charles Manson shows a number of characteristics of unity if we examine his statements, but he is also insane, a psychopath, and lacks certain characteristics that a presumably normal person would have, so he would be a significant outlier in any scheme that purports to categorise enlightenment benchmarks. I have a collection of Classical music recordings. I always have trouble trying to shelf them in some coherent way. My system here is generally by time period and the composer's name, using the date of death as a marker within a time period and beyond that I can remember where most composers lie on the time line. I think M's scheme for enlightenment is workable for many people, it is more detailed than some schemes, but in the end any scheme turns out to be nonsense, but it has applicability for giving one a bearing while on the path. If a person's experience is anomalous, a scheme will appear
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
Dr. Dumbass is acting like a CC. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: I appreciate the thought, but I doubt I'd survive the necessary vetting; like many, I also lack Raja Ravi's charisma and pithy turn of phrase. The campaign is still optimistic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZucJAkzCNq8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I've always been partial to Voldemort taking the position of moderator, so what can I say? Voldemort has been on here a hell of a lot longer than Ravi has. Of course, if you stick around, consistently this time, I would also support employing you in that regard. Please let us know your future plans, BP. Better let Ravi know the bad news, though, sooner, rather than later. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Doc, I believe I've been remiss in not thanking you for sharing your music with the group; speaking for myself, I believe any creative act is fundamentally heroic, and I for one appreciate your generosity in sharing your compositions with us. On a different topic, would you consider supporting the candidacy of Sri Raja Raviji for FFL moderator; your thoughtful consideration is more than appreciated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EffPnse4WQs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Group Hug, Bob! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Obba, Wilma is a winner. From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college, any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls close? I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage? Your tickets are in the mail. If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat the campaign is looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Hey Mr. Price, Bob, May I suggest this style of a C W song for Ravi's campaign. I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s or Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ call me darling, you never even call me by my name. mm BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the whole southwestern and the whole lower eastern seaboard until then, okay? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com What is this about Raja Ravi's standards are very high? ***I happen to believe you're the only one with the knowledge, consciousness, and chutzpah to moderate this board, but its shaping up to be the race of our lives, and, as your campaign manager, I think it vital you don't peak too early; let Buck and Richard tire themselves out before we make our move; Obba will deliver the North East, and we have Emily in the Pacific Northwest; we'll have to do some sucking up and trade some favors, but leave that to me; after Richard has tires him out, I think we can buy Buck's support with a promise to make all colors illegal---except gold. In the meantime, we need to launch our Share strategy and begin posting half baked poems and syrupy sweet photos like the following. For the sympathy vote, I think writing a CW hurtin song would be an excellent start; maybe with a title like: My Baby Dumped Me For The Infinite. And remember NO MORE OPINIONS ON ANYTHING, and if any smart asses ask you what you're for, just say: Change we can believe in and drones. More soon---its in the bag my friend.-BP I can't be as
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
Yes dear Bob, I'm in the middle of an intense tapas to align the Natural Law behind my proposed candidacy but I'm popping in and out of my dizzying array of alternating UC, GC and BC , out of sheer compassion of course, to enjoy your posts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: Correction: I agree, at present he seems to be doing a fair impersonation of the Hidden Imam. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Dear Obba, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Dear Mr. Price, Bob, and wife, I believe Ravi can do an impersonation of anyone. I agree, at present he seems to be doing a fair impersonation of the Hidden Iman. Need to retrieve him from the belly of the whale, though. Fluff him, Mr. Price. Tickle the whale as to release Kali's Pimp. I'm on it, but the whale will need a bigger fish to give up its belly full of Kali's Pimp; any ideas, how about Jona, or better still Mary Margaret: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VrujheblY I am embarrassed to admit, I used up the gold leaf when I made the desserts for my cousin's baby shower at the country club. Heh, they went over pretty big, all were eaten and we had fun in the process using the little morsels as sun catchers, and redirecting light at the nearby golfers, Four! became, Fuck! Pretty hilarious. There were no children present, just us girls and the matriarchs. I do have heavy duty aluminum foil, will this suffice? A sheet of galvanized steel too. It is flexible. To be really creative, how about the left over chicken wire? I like the sound of chicken wire although Buck will want Gold to throw his delegates behind the Raja; I was thinking this would justify a visit to Dubai, but Maurice Stans suggested we go with pyrite as Buck won't know the difference (I told him you would think that was a cheap shot and not the kind of campaign we're runnin round here). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Gold_Souk Looking forward for the tickets. I need to get out of here, cabin fever brought about by the ketu subdasha. Lucky all this is coinciding with the end of the antardasha in another week. Whew. All I can say about this paragraph is tank God for Google; I reckon you only fly first? Unfortunately, Wilma passed almost 10 years ago, and she had no offspring (Lesbian), but I know her nephew who plays guitar and works as a magician (yes, a Magician)in LA, but the good news, music runs in his family blood, something a lot of people forget certain hereditary traits allow for this dharmic curse(kind of like ignoring Maharishi's relatives is probably not a good idea, even if they came out of the woodwork, dhamra man, Dharma.). (and... Business is slack in Hollywood for the meek, right now, so he, him, Wilma's nephew, might be available. You can catch him at the Castle?) If that doesn't work out, I don't know who handles Janis's rights. You might want to think of Bette Midler, she may be up to it. Remember the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR6okRuOLc8 Alternatively, I'm wondering if you (I'm still on probation) could speak with the MGC and find out if they would consider recording a music video like this for the campaign (including the wardrobe and choreography): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrfY7RNaBjw --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Obba, Wilma is a winner. From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college, any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls close? I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage? Your tickets are in the mail. If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat the campaign is looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Hey Mr. Price, Bob, May I suggest this style of a C W song for Ravi's campaign. I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s or Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ call me darling, you never even call me by my name. mm BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the whole southwestern and the whole
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
My guess is he has a date. Sorry dear Bob I missed this. No tamasic, low-vibe activites like dates for me, like I said I'm in an intense tapas, upon my return I plan to use my proposed candidacy (thank you Bob !!!) as a springboard to my Gurudom and will rely on the tried and tested formula of using the power differential between me and my female disciples to indulge in recurrent, shameless bone-a-babe rituals (thank you Xeno !!!). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: In the rich emotional palette and many aspects of his personality that Ravi has shared with us on this forum I have never noticed embarrassment. My guess is he has a date. I somehow imagine, like MacArthur before him, Ravi will return: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv1PF0tAE1s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I think he's probably just embarrassed about the whole thing. I would be, if I were him. No big deal to me. Maybe if you quit reminding him, he will be back here, posting again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Hell, maybe he is just embarrassed by it. After all, Ravi is Indian. TM is a significant distillation, repackaging and rebirth of his spiritual heritage, and he is ignorant of it. So, if I were in his shoes, I'd want people to stop talking about it too, though a TM-centric forum may not be the bes place to start.:-) DrD, you're misconstruing what Ravi wrote. He isn't saying he wants people to stop talking about TM. You're pissed because he includes you in the two people he wants to send off with Buck, who doesn't want to discuss anything *but* TM stuff. His implied criticism is of Buck's fundamentalist approach. Secondarily, he's saying that among the top posters, he finds your and Share's contributions to the discussions generally to be of less interest than obba's and mine. In your case, I don't agree, but he's entitled to express his opinion (humorously, I might add). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Ravi, it's kind of like when you discuss jyotish and some get upset. For me the whole enlightenment topic is just a fun thing to discuss, throw ideas around, learn other perspectives. I come mainly from a TM perspective so that's the language I know best but I thoroughly enjoy reading it written about from annother perspective, with other language, like in Xeno's writing for example. From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC I understand it is always a pain in the butt to be around people discussing something you know next to nothing about, Ravi, but bear with us, and we'll bear with you, too. Deal? Group Hug? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC, UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck wrote: ** Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
Umm..if I were you I would not be so eager and enthusiastic, because she will be inviting me too !!! (that's the deal anyway that I want someone around for my fun, she may now be mad at me for revealing it) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Thanks Ann! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I was actually thinking of something more subtle, like living in a refrigerator carton, with a small campfire, on the edge of your property, preferably hidden by foliage on all sides, foraging squirrels and other varmints, for awhile. The time will go by in a flash. Please let me know if this works for you, and I can be there, perhaps coincident with Rory's visit! I have a better idea. You can occupy an actual bedroom and not even have to share it with Rory - he can have his own too. As far as varmints go we have quail, rats, mice, shrews, voles, feral cats, tame dogs lots of bird life including owls and vultures and hawks. For a more substantial meal there are always the deer, though. Or, my husband could do a slow cooked smoked turkey on the BBQ with all the fixin's. Just give me your arrival date. We are 5 minutes from the airport or ferry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I have never been to Victoria, and have always wanted to go!! On a related topic, is it the same in Canada, as the U.S., where if a person inhabits someone else's property or horse farm continuously for seven years, they can then claim it, through squatter's rights? Geez, I think it may be. There's this guy who lives in my house, cooks me meals, shares my bed and calls me wife and he seems to think he can stay for as long as he likes and even claim he owns half the place. So, I guess the answer to that is yes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff wrote: I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth. Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One wonders what the belief they all share IS that causes them to color their own perceptions and shape them such that the Barry Is Bad meme has basically taken over their lives. One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes him to color his own perceptions and shape them such that the ego-fantasy that Barry Is Bad has taken over our lives has taken over his life. (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?) His statement can only draw one (He thinks They, their, as one entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia He might want to seek some medical help about this situation. But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY. Yes, and he can find one of these type of places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me and/or when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg comes, along, we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :) MJ, you have that vacation home ready yet? Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When do you want to come?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Umm..if I were you I would not be so eager and enthusiastic, because she will be inviting me too !!! (that's the deal anyway that I want someone around for my fun, she may now be mad at me for revealing it) Ravi Baby, you know you have a standing invitation to my abode - always and forever (is that redundant?) And no varmints, we'll prepare the special feast for you but no horse meat, I'm afraid, they're off the menu. I better get a guest list going, we'll start an alphabetical order, I'll be first since I am an A. Yaay - thank you dear Ann !!! But I have to say I have mixed feelings since I was pretty hurt that you came down to Southern California and didn't meet me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Thanks Ann! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I was actually thinking of something more subtle, like living in a refrigerator carton, with a small campfire, on the edge of your property, preferably hidden by foliage on all sides, foraging squirrels and other varmints, for awhile. The time will go by in a flash. Please let me know if this works for you, and I can be there, perhaps coincident with Rory's visit! I have a better idea. You can occupy an actual bedroom and not even have to share it with Rory - he can have his own too. As far as varmints go we have quail, rats, mice, shrews, voles, feral cats, tame dogs lots of bird life including owls and vultures and hawks. For a more substantial meal there are always the deer, though. Or, my husband could do a slow cooked smoked turkey on the BBQ with all the fixin's. Just give me your arrival date. We are 5 minutes from the airport or ferry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I have never been to Victoria, and have always wanted to go!! On a related topic, is it the same in Canada, as the U.S., where if a person inhabits someone else's property or horse farm continuously for seven years, they can then claim it, through squatter's rights? Geez, I think it may be. There's this guy who lives in my house, cooks me meals, shares my bed and calls me wife and he seems to think he can stay for as long as he likes and even claim he owns half the place. So, I guess the answer to that is yes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff wrote: I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth. Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One wonders what the belief they all share IS that causes them to color their own perceptions and shape them such that the Barry Is Bad meme has basically taken over their lives. One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes him to color his own perceptions and shape them such that the ego-fantasy that Barry Is Bad has taken over our lives has taken over his life. (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?) His statement can only draw one (He thinks They, their, as one entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia He might want to seek some medical help about this situation. But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY. Yes, and he can find one of these type of places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Umm..if I were you I would not be so eager and enthusiastic, because she will be inviting me too !!! (that's the deal anyway that I want someone around for my fun, she may now be mad at me for revealing it) Ravi Baby, you know you have a standing invitation to my abode - always and forever (is that redundant?) And no varmints, we'll prepare the special feast for you but no horse meat, I'm afraid, they're off the menu. I better get a guest list going, we'll start an alphabetical order, I'll be first since I am an A. âYaay - thank you dear Ann !!! But I have to say I have mixed feelings since I was pretty hurt that you came down to Southern California and didn't meet me. Oh but Ravi, you know timing is everything. As much as I was yearning for such a meeting I did not allow myself the indulgence. There is great reward in waiting - sometimes. OK fine dear Ann, as much as I didn't like hearing that I will have to just deal with it right? :-). Love, xoxo. â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Thanks Ann! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I was actually thinking of something more subtle, like living in a refrigerator carton, with a small campfire, on the edge of your property, preferably hidden by foliage on all sides, foraging squirrels and other varmints, for awhile. The time will go by in a flash. Please let me know if this works for you, and I can be there, perhaps coincident with Rory's visit! I have a better idea. You can occupy an actual bedroom and not even have to share it with Rory - he can have his own too. As far as varmints go we have quail, rats, mice, shrews, voles, feral cats, tame dogs lots of bird life including owls and vultures and hawks. For a more substantial meal there are always the deer, though. Or, my husband could do a slow cooked smoked turkey on the BBQ with all the fixin's. Just give me your arrival date. We are 5 minutes from the airport or ferry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I have never been to Victoria, and have always wanted to go!! On a related topic, is it the same in Canada, as the U.S., where if a person inhabits someone else's property or horse farm continuously for seven years, they can then claim it, through squatter's rights? Geez, I think it may be. There's this guy who lives in my house, cooks me meals, shares my bed and calls me wife and he seems to think he can stay for as long as he likes and even claim he owns half the place. So, I guess the answer to that is yes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff wrote: I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth. Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One wonders what the belief they all share IS that causes them to color their own perceptions and shape them such that the Barry Is Bad meme has basically taken over their lives. One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes him to color his own perceptions and shape them such that the ego-fantasy that Barry Is Bad has taken over our lives has taken over his life. (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?) His statement can only draw one (He thinks They, their, as one
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
Thank you for bringing this topic up dear Obba. I have to let you know dear Ann that once I am awake I hate going back to sleep and once I am asleep I hate getting up - yeah I know a strange problem I have and that only having a woman in my life can break this habit of mine :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Hahaha. I should have clarified. hahaha. Morning wake time. 6am. Oh good. I hope you don't mind a happy person in the morning. Is it okay if I drink 2 and a half cups of caffeinated coffee, twice a day (morning and tea time)? Should I bring my own latex pillow? (of course I will. :)) When I meditate, I do it in my own business (can I lock the guest bedroom door?) I can help shovel hay or poop if needed. No lazy over stay yer welcome house guest I will be. You can sleep in as long as you like just no ridiculous sounds if you do the flying sidhi. I am a happy person morning or evening; I basically hit the floor running in the morning and don't fdrink coffee but my husband makes a good cup. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Ann, What time do you wake up? Literally or figuratively? Literally 6 am pacific time, figuratively when I get kicked in the ass by life (which is quite often). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Umm..if I were you I would not be so eager and enthusiastic, because she will be inviting me too !!! (that's the deal anyway that I want someone around for my fun, she may now be mad at me for revealing it) Ravi Baby, you know you have a standing invitation to my abode - always and forever (is that redundant?) And no varmints, we'll prepare the special feast for you but no horse meat, I'm afraid, they're off the menu. I better get a guest list going, we'll start an alphabetical order, I'll be first since I am an A. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Thanks Ann! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I was actually thinking of something more subtle, like living in a refrigerator carton, with a small campfire, on the edge of your property, preferably hidden by foliage on all sides, foraging squirrels and other varmints, for awhile. The time will go by in a flash. Please let me know if this works for you, and I can be there, perhaps coincident with Rory's visit! I have a better idea. You can occupy an actual bedroom and not even have to share it with Rory - he can have his own too. As far as varmints go we have quail, rats, mice, shrews, voles, feral cats, tame dogs lots of bird life including owls and vultures and hawks. For a more substantial meal there are always the deer, though. Or, my husband could do a slow cooked smoked turkey on the BBQ with all the fixin's. Just give me your arrival date. We are 5 minutes from the airport or ferry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I have never been to Victoria, and have always wanted to go!! On a related topic, is it the same in Canada, as the U.S., where if a person inhabits someone else's property or horse farm continuously for seven years, they can then claim it, through squatter's rights? Geez, I think it may be. There's this guy who lives in my house, cooks me meals, shares my bed and calls me wife and he seems to think he can stay for as long as he likes and even claim he owns half the place. So, I guess the answer to that is yes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff wrote: I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth. Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Doc, Dr. Newton is a counseling psychologist, bestselling author and hypnotherapist whose specialty is research into lives between lives. I've only read his book Destiny of Souls but a dear friend had a session when he was traveling in CA years ago. In bringing up Dr. Newton's work I was addressing Seraphita's idea of Meritocracy being projected onto the cosmos. According to Dr. Newton it is the soul which decides whether to have an easy or more challenging life and evidently the soul often understands the wisdom of either choice. Sometimes an easy life is chosen simply to rest between 2 difficult lives. His book contains dozens of case studies. Hee, hee, ho, ho, ha, ha. Case studies, hee, hee, ho, ho, ha, ha... Ha - the extent to which people fantasize and come up with bizarre, intricate narratives to cope up with reality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: My guess is he has a date. Sorry dear Bob I missed this. No tamasic, low-vibe activites like dates for me, like I said I'm in an intense tapas, upon my return I plan to use my proposed candidacy (thank you Bob !!!) as a springboard to my Gurudom and will rely on the tried and tested formula of using the power differential between me and my female disciples to indulge in recurrent, shameless bone-a-babe rituals (thank you Xeno !!!). Sorry forgot to add that these bone-a-babe rituals will be given a narrative that supports these women's fantasies. How about Tantric sex? Yeah I believe that would suffice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: In the rich emotional palette and many aspects of his personality that Ravi has shared with us on this forum I have never noticed embarrassment. My guess is he has a date. I somehow imagine, like MacArthur before him, Ravi will return: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv1PF0tAE1s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I think he's probably just embarrassed about the whole thing. I would be, if I were him. No big deal to me. Maybe if you quit reminding him, he will be back here, posting again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Hell, maybe he is just embarrassed by it. After all, Ravi is Indian. TM is a significant distillation, repackaging and rebirth of his spiritual heritage, and he is ignorant of it. So, if I were in his shoes, I'd want people to stop talking about it too, though a TM-centric forum may not be the bes place to start.:-) DrD, you're misconstruing what Ravi wrote. He isn't saying he wants people to stop talking about TM. You're pissed because he includes you in the two people he wants to send off with Buck, who doesn't want to discuss anything *but* TM stuff. His implied criticism is of Buck's fundamentalist approach. Secondarily, he's saying that among the top posters, he finds your and Share's contributions to the discussions generally to be of less interest than obba's and mine. In your case, I don't agree, but he's entitled to express his opinion (humorously, I might add). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Ravi, it's kind of like when you discuss jyotish and some get upset. For me the whole enlightenment topic is just a fun thing to discuss, throw ideas around, learn other perspectives. I come mainly from a TM perspective so that's the language I know best but I thoroughly enjoy reading it written about from annother perspective, with other language, like in Xeno's writing for example. From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC I understand it is always a pain in the butt to be around people discussing something you know next to nothing about, Ravi, but bear with us, and we'll bear with you, too. Deal? Group Hug? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC, UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck wrote: ** Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
Thank you dear, thanks for sharing it. Looks like you had a real good time, FYI - I can make a few South Indian classical dance moves, OK they may be hilarious, but whatever I enjoy it :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Dear Mr. Price, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIGRWN26TAo Sorry for the delay. I was with the Temple dancers. Beautiful performance this evening. Sita Kalyanam, marriage depicting Sita and Rama. So beautiful and entertaining. They couldn't use the oil lamps (Theatre/firehouse ordinance), but incense crawled over and around the sold out audiences heads. The bow stringing reminds me of my life lately, ain't happening until it happens. lol Met a nice woman and her 7 year old girl who wanted to jump onto the stage more than I did. I calmed her with the 8 count of the south indian ragas inbetween sets, that did not make her like the music more than dance. She kept asking her Mom just before I did that, Why is She laughing? I had no idea same girl had been scolded by an old coot for trying to see better. No wonder when I smiled she came and sat quietly next to me. Her Mom smiled and thanked me for treating her daughter so nicely, and then filled me in on the old coot. I thought the Mom and daughter looked a bit hugely American, Texas, even, and I had no idea my whispering the 8 counts repetitively near the girls ear during those ragas, what I would find out after the performance. The girl had already taken a year of South Indian Temple dancing in Texas, and she was well aware of ragas, and her and her Mom were Hari Krishnas. I had not one clue if I had just looked at them. The Mom starts shooting off all kind of Sanskrit names and stuff, and I was like, Holy cow! Heaven on Earth has ascended the Earth, hear that Buck! Don't worry about the domes, the back country farm folk from Texas were already doing darshan and pujas and stuff. An eye and ear opener for me. They were inviting me to classes and all. All I did was smiled at the little girl and whispers pf the ragas 8 counts in her ears as the musicians played. No diversion. This is about Ravi and his candidacy for moderator. What some long time folks here may thing he is not qualified for many reasons, I think the story above says it all. Ravi is our Indian, Brahman, Bone-a-babe candidate, right here in America and he loves this country and he knows very well the shitzpah and the real deal, no matter what some of you TMO folks think. He knows, he cares and has a heart of gold. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: Dear Obba, yeah, baby? Oh, that was from earlier. ha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Dear Mr. Price, Bob, and wife, I believe Ravi can do an impersonation of anyone. I agree, at present he seems to be doing a fair impersonation of the Hidden Iman. Think he is found now. Need to retrieve him from the belly of the whale, though. Fluff him, Mr. Price. Tickle the whale as to release Kali's Pimp. I'm on it, but the whale will need a bigger fish to give up its belly full of Kali's Pimp; any ideas, how about Jona, or better still Mary Margaret: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VrujheblY One really cute and exhilarating child! I am embarrassed to admit, I used up the gold leaf when I made the desserts for my cousin's baby shower at the country club. Heh, they went over pretty big, all were eaten and we had fun in the process using the little morsels as sun catchers, and redirecting light at the nearby golfers, Four! became, Fuck! Pretty hilarious. There were no children present, just us girls and the matriarchs. I do have heavy duty aluminum foil, will this suffice? A sheet of galvanized steel too. It is flexible. To be really creative, how about the left over chicken wire? I like the sound of chicken wire although Buck will want Gold to throw his delegates behind the Raja; I was thinking this would justify a visit to Dubai, but Maurice Stans suggested we go with pyrite as Buck won't know the difference (I told him you would think that was a cheap shot and not the kind of campaign we're runnin round here). How South Dakota Mica? Silly, Maurice Stans is dead too. (Google helped me. Shut up, I know, I didn't know.) Who is going to Dubai? Remember I do have a current passport, and have no warrants out for my arrest. I also know I can't wear a logo shirt there, and no star of david either. You were making up the pyrite story, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Gold_Souk Ready. Looking forward for the tickets. I need to get out of here, cabin fever brought about by the ketu subdasha. Lucky all this is coinciding with the end of the antardasha in another week. Whew. All I can say about this paragraph is tank God for Google; I reckon you only fly first? You mean,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Thank you dear, thanks for sharing it. Looks like you had a real good time, FYI - I can make a few South Indian classical dance moves, OK they may be hilarious, but whatever I enjoy it :-) You better be prepared to demonstrate these at our gathering in Victoria, it'll be a highlight. In fact, we should all have something we can share with the others. Obba? Here's a teaser then - http://youtu.be/oUD8jbLpk84?t=2m51s http://youtu.be/oUD8jbLpk84?t=2m51s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Dear Mr. Price, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIGRWN26TAo Sorry for the delay. I was with the Temple dancers. Beautiful performance this evening. Sita Kalyanam, marriage depicting Sita and Rama. So beautiful and entertaining. They couldn't use the oil lamps (Theatre/firehouse ordinance), but incense crawled over and around the sold out audiences heads. The bow stringing reminds me of my life lately, ain't happening until it happens. lol Met a nice woman and her 7 year old girl who wanted to jump onto the stage more than I did. I calmed her with the 8 count of the south indian ragas inbetween sets, that did not make her like the music more than dance. She kept asking her Mom just before I did that, Why is She laughing? I had no idea same girl had been scolded by an old coot for trying to see better. No wonder when I smiled she came and sat quietly next to me. Her Mom smiled and thanked me for treating her daughter so nicely, and then filled me in on the old coot. I thought the Mom and daughter looked a bit hugely American, Texas, even, and I had no idea my whispering the 8 counts repetitively near the girls ear during those ragas, what I would find out after the performance. The girl had already taken a year of South Indian Temple dancing in Texas, and she was well aware of ragas, and her and her Mom were Hari Krishnas. I had not one clue if I had just looked at them. The Mom starts shooting off all kind of Sanskrit names and stuff, and I was like, Holy cow! Heaven on Earth has ascended the Earth, hear that Buck! Don't worry about the domes, the back country farm folk from Texas were already doing darshan and pujas and stuff. An eye and ear opener for me. They were inviting me to classes and all. All I did was smiled at the little girl and whispers pf the ragas 8 counts in her ears as the musicians played. No diversion. This is about Ravi and his candidacy for moderator. What some long time folks here may thing he is not qualified for many reasons, I think the story above says it all. Ravi is our Indian, Brahman, Bone-a-babe candidate, right here in America and he loves this country and he knows very well the shitzpah and the real deal, no matter what some of you TMO folks think. He knows, he cares and has a heart of gold. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: Dear Obba, yeah, baby? Oh, that was from earlier. ha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Dear Mr. Price, Bob, and wife, I believe Ravi can do an impersonation of anyone. I agree, at present he seems to be doing a fair impersonation of the Hidden Iman. Think he is found now. Need to retrieve him from the belly of the whale, though. Fluff him, Mr. Price. Tickle the whale as to release Kali's Pimp. I'm on it, but the whale will need a bigger fish to give up its belly full of Kali's Pimp; any ideas, how about Jona, or better still Mary Margaret: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VrujheblY One really cute and exhilarating child! I am embarrassed to admit, I used up the gold leaf when I made the desserts for my cousin's baby shower at the country club. Heh, they went over pretty big, all were eaten and we had fun in the process using the little morsels as sun catchers, and redirecting light at the nearby golfers, Four! became, Fuck! Pretty hilarious. There were no children present, just us girls and the matriarchs. I do have heavy duty aluminum foil, will this suffice? A sheet of galvanized steel too. It is flexible. To be really creative, how about the left over chicken wire? I like the sound of chicken wire although Buck will want Gold to throw his delegates behind the Raja; I was thinking this would justify a visit to Dubai, but Maurice Stans suggested we go with pyrite as Buck won't know the difference (I told him you would think that was a cheap shot and not the kind of campaign we're runnin round here). How South Dakota Mica? Silly, Maurice Stans is dead too
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
Oh a quick note here as well dear Bob. I know you are trying to pull in the *enlightened* vote for me as well but it's important to remember (not to say you aren't already aware of this) that there are three categories of *enlightened here and you need to fine tune your strategy for each of them. Yeah I know they can get pretty picky and technical and a pain in the butt. But the three categories are the - intellectually *enlightened*, the delusionally *enlightened* and the psychopathically enlightened. I hope you are not too confused about the third category - yep I'm referring to the likes of Xeno here. Being extremely stunted emotionally, socially you really need to be careful here - sorry for being so picky, it's not like I don't appreciate your time and effort here. Thanks Bob !!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: Obba, Wilma is a winner. From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college, any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls close? I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage? Your tickets are in the mail. If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat the campaign is looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Hey Mr. Price, Bob, May I suggest this style of a C W song for Ravi's campaign. I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s or Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ call me darling, you never even call me by my name. mm BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the whole southwestern and the whole lower eastern seaboard until then, okay? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com What is this about Raja Ravi's standards are very high? ***I happen to believe you're the only one with the knowledge, consciousness, and chutzpah to moderate this board, but its shaping up to be the race of our lives, and, as your campaign manager, I think it vital you don't peak too early; let Buck and Richard tire themselves out before we make our move; Obba will deliver the North East, and we have Emily in the Pacific Northwest; we'll have to do some sucking up and trade some favors, but leave that to me; after Richard has tires him out, I think we can buy Buck's support with a promise to make all colors illegal---except gold. In the meantime, we need to launch our Share strategy and begin posting half baked poems and syrupy sweet photos like the following. For the sympathy vote, I think writing a CW hurtin song would be an excellent start; maybe with a title like: My Baby Dumped Me For The Infinite. And remember NO MORE OPINIONS ON ANYTHING, and if any smart asses ask you what you're for, just say: Change we can believe in and drones. More soon---its in the bag my friend.-BP I can't be as
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
And some study material vis-a-vis Xeno and the psychopathically enlightened - you weren't around dear Bob and I'm not sure if you ever got a chance to read this. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/349088 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/349088 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Oh a quick note here as well dear Bob. I know you are trying to pull in the *enlightened* vote for me as well but it's important to remember (not to say you aren't already aware of this) that there are three categories of *enlightened here and you need to fine tune your strategy for each of them. Yeah I know they can get pretty picky and technical and a pain in the butt. But the three categories are the - intellectually *enlightened*, the delusionally *enlightened* and the psychopathically enlightened. I hope you are not too confused about the third category - yep I'm referring to the likes of Xeno here. Being extremely stunted emotionally, socially you really need to be careful here - sorry for being so picky, it's not like I don't appreciate your time and effort here. Thanks Bob !!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: Obba, Wilma is a winner. From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college, any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls close? I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage? Your tickets are in the mail. If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat the campaign is looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Hey Mr. Price, Bob, May I suggest this style of a C W song for Ravi's campaign. I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s or Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ call me darling, you never even call me by my name. mm BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the whole southwestern and the whole lower eastern seaboard until then, okay? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com What is this about Raja Ravi's standards are very high? ***I happen to believe you're the only one with the knowledge, consciousness, and chutzpah to moderate this board, but its shaping up to be the race of our lives, and, as your campaign manager, I think it vital you don't peak too early; let Buck and Richard tire themselves out before we make our move; Obba will deliver the North East, and we have Emily in the Pacific Northwest; we'll have to do some sucking up and trade some favors, but leave that to me; after Richard has tires him out, I think we can buy Buck's support with a promise to make all colors illegal---except gold. In the meantime, we need to launch our Share strategy and begin posting half baked poems and syrupy sweet photos like the following. For the sympathy vote, I think writing a CW hurtin song would be an excellent start; maybe with a title like: My Baby Dumped Me For The Infinite. And remember NO MORE OPINIONS ON ANYTHING, and if any smart asses ask you what you're for, just say: Change we can believe in and drones. More soon---its in the bag my friend.-BP I can't be as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Basicaly, in eastern philosophy enlightenment is an one way trip. You discover who you are and that's it. One way trip to where? What is this you discover you are and that's it? On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Re: You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience. Of course he did, you numbskull - not that he now considers it the accurate reality by which life is lived. You should be able to pick up on this - even I, with enlightenment experiences (back in the day) attributable only to LSD, have the requisite brain cells left necessary to objectively determine this fact. You haven't done your research. Clearly he wrote sincerely - back then and now (and even as the Master of Irony - he's sincere - that's the brilliance of it all, really). Jason, you need to pull your head out of your ass on this and go get a cuppa something. I agree that he wrote sincerely. However, I doubt that he was really in enlightenment or any higher state. Robin's recount of those experiences simply doesn't tally with the accounts of other yogis and seekers. Basicaly, in eastern philosophy enlightenment is an one way trip. You discover who you are and that's it. --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: You mean something like the devil or satan? --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I suppose something *like* that, but you'd have to ask him. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Could it be 'Dissociative Identity Disorder'? http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Oh? Would you like to elaborate? (Which statement?) --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: He speaks as if he literally sees these intelligences and forces, which IMO are imaginary. Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? What would my delusion be, exactly? What do you think my beliefs are about Robin? Just out of curiosity, do you believe there is no intelligence nor any forces in the universe beyond your control and understanding? You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
What is this stubbornness emptybill? You are saying you will use the experiences of someone, the context, the narrative of someone from thousands of years ago as the yardstick for someone who has mystical experiences now - in this modern age? Do you think Advaita Vedanta is an actual insight into reality? Is proposing a model of reality? Or is it merely a technique or a philosophy? On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:00 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Those claiming enlightenment should be able to offer comparative proof based upon something other than their own subjectivity or my guru/former guru sez. However, not only Robin but you also seem willfully uninformed about the subject as described by the texts of traditional advaita. Thus you ask - *What good would it (have done/now do) to examine his experiences in light of other descriptions. * Other descriptions are incidental since they are experiential and can not possibly self-certify knowledge. He might have compared his actual situation with knowledge in Vedanta and realized that no process of experience could ever *be *liberation nor could it ever *give *liberation or some so-called enlightenment. Were he was not indulging in self-delusion, he might have tried to find out more. Then again he was not taught more - nor apparently was he interested in learning more. --- *In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend ** wrote:* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Yep, went back and read posts 312097 and 299555. I pointed out to the Muni of Monte Cassino (a number of times) that none of the descriptions of his purported Unity Consciousness conform to Shankara's explanations - whether in the BrahmaSutraBhasya, UpanishadBhasya or BhagavadGitaBhasya. Such grand enlightenment appears to have been Robin's own neo-Advaitic epiphanies later aggrandized and grafted upon Maharishi's explanations. * Nuh-uh. Maharishi's teaching was where he first encountered explanations of enlightenment.* Maharishi's descriptions themselves are a form of neo-yogic advaita and Robin was unwilling to tacitly match his own purported enlightenment with the explanations of traditional advaita. *Right. He was a disciple of Maharishi.* He wouldn't even continue a conversation bringing it up for consideration. This unwillingness was, for me, a clue to Robin's delusive self-absorption . * Actually it was completely irrelevant. Think about it for a minute. What good would it have done him at this point to consider matching his experience with that of other descriptions? What good would it have done him back then, for that matter? You've really never made any sense on this topic, empty.*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator
You can delete your duplicate posts yeah? For some reason I didn't get any duplicate posts of yours but it's been a big mess with Yahoo for the past week - delayed posts, duplicate posts and some that I have never received. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:46 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Sheesh. Yahoo just duplicated five of my posts in a row. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Did Rick have a valid Dome badge when he created FFL? Good point. As I understand it, FFL was never intended to be limited to currently practicing TMers in any case. I'm pretty sure Buck knows this. When I first joined in 2005, there were more former-TMers-turned-TM-critics than TM defenders.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC, UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 59 Seraphita 50 Ann 35 iranitea 31 Alex Stanley 30 Ravi Chivukula 28 RoryGoff 27 Bhairitu 25 emilymae.reyn 19 Mike Dixon 18 turquoiseb 18 Michael Jackson 17 merudanda 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 16 Bob Price 14 Jason 13 sharelong60 13 emptybill 10 sparaig 10 salyavin808 10 card 9 Emily Reyn 7 bobpriced 7 azgrey 6 nablusoss1008 6 John 5 Rick Archer 4 raunchydog 4 Duveyoung 4 Buck 3 feste37 3 cardemaister 3 Susan 2 seventhray27 2 Dick Mays 1 wleed3 1 wgm4u 1 srijau 1 WLeed3 1 Richard J. Williams 1 PaliGap Posters: 44 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator
I prefer to read it on Gmail but like I said it's been horrible and so I'm being forced to go to FFL page for the past few days - we have had this in the past, but not for this long. Yes I have never seen posts being duplicated like yours, but I only got single copies of it on Gmail - too weird, no consistent markers for these Yahoo issues. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:09 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: You can delete your duplicate posts yeah? For some reason I didn't get any duplicate posts of yours Are you using the Web site or getting the posts via email? As I recall, last time we started getting duplicates, it was only on the Web site. I guess I should delete the duplicates... but it's been a big mess with Yahoo for the past week - delayed posts, duplicate posts and some that I have never received. Far as I know, except for a few duplicates here and there (nothing like five in a row for anybody else!), the Web site hasn't had any other problems. I haven't seen any posts quoted that I haven't received, at any rate, and I think all my posts have appeared immediately. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:46 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: ** Sheesh. Yahoo just duplicated five of my posts in a row. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Did Rick have a valid Dome badge when he created FFL? Good point. As I understand it, FFL was never intended to be limited to currently practicing TMers in any case. I'm pretty sure Buck knows this. When I first joined in 2005, there were more former-TMers-turned-TM-critics than TM defenders.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Here's a little game/puzzle, the first winner to successfully finish it gets a prize Identify the following delusional beliefs with the person professing the belief (the first one as an example) http://imgur.com/jTL6wNx
[FairfieldLife] How the deluded see the world....
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Here's a little game/puzzle, the first winner to successfully finish it gets a prize. I dentify the following delusional beliefs with the person professing the belief (the first one as an example) [image: Inline image 1]
Re: [FairfieldLife] How the deluded see the world....
Here's a little game/puzzle, the first winner to successfully finish it gets a prize. I dentify the following delusional beliefs with the person professing the belief (the first one as an example) [image: Inline image 1]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
Oh dear Bob, What is this about Raja Ravi's standards are very high? I can't be as creative as you or that woman Obba, now Emily's got me thinking - should I try writing a song. Gosh I love singing, playing harmonium/keyboard, learning the goddamn guitar now but I have never written a song - should I? May be for that little girl fantasizing on Amma? I totally enjoyed your first line for Bubbles Barry's autobiography - the judges think you are the most creative here on FFL so really there's not much thought needed for that decision. Are you going to spoil me with posts like this? Is that what your intention is :-). I'm already too wild and untamed - you and Robin are the only two people who should be admonishing and disciplining me periodically :-) Anyway - love your posts, good to have you back here. Ravi. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:51 PM, bobpriced bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Correction: Arabian Sea edge of the Arabian Peninsula. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Bob, yes, this is rough, but I think ready for the judge and thus I am initialing this (ER) with my blessing. I did find The 11 Steps on how to write a Love Song - maybe Raja Ravi would consider this as an appendix for Barry's reincarnation as Share's one and only, given his practice run in this life with brotherly affection. http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Love-Song He should be able to come up with something at least as good as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgT_us6AsDg ***Fingers crossed with the Raja, I know his standards are high. Now, upper level management has determined a few days of solitary confinement will do me good, now that the kid is finally back at college, so off I go. ***I understand, and that's probably my cue to take a powder. For your listening pleasure during your confinement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-w9OclUnns And for your viewing pleasure, if you haven't already watched this lady. I'm interested in our Stone Age (as you know, it helps for those commercially inclined), more specifically the period 70,000 years ago when a small group of us may have made it out of Africa; along the Indian Ocean edge of the Arabian Peninsula (The Yemen and Oman) and eventually to India; after years of believing the Aryan invasion hypothesis I'm presently leaning more toward OIT; I enjoyed this series and was impressed with the presenter, an MD and anthropologist (not Simon Schama or Micheal Wood but worth the time---if you're interested). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwa6o-s1Yvs Do you think the wife would save me a sample? I want to look as good as Ann does. Emily. Not sure we could get anyone looking as good as Ann, but I've asked the wife to earmark a full set of samples for you for when we reach Seattle; this might be awhile as we're presently in Manhattan and like Sherman before her she has decided to head South before we go West. It's likely just as well as we're still working out some bugs on the latest offer, one causes the subject to grow antenna like---My Favorite Martian---whenever they encounter a male who is bullshitting them (I may not have mentioned, its a product for females); but I'm sure we'll have it ironed (there's that word again) out by the time we get to the Pacific Northwest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QZioxCg20I --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Emily, Since it looks like Barry is currently in the middle of another Robin eruption, I thought it might be helpful to follow up on an invitation that Raja Ravi extended to us---to come up with a title for Barry's autobiography. I hope my submission is not too late; I've been preoccupied writing a press release for a revolutionary new product, the wife invented---that reverses the aging process. At the time of Raja Ravi's gracious invitation, Barry was tailgating Stephen King (not as badly as he tailgated Elmore Leonard, whose 10 writing rules he posted---before he seems to have read them---and then posted an 11th rule he made up himself to give himself cover after he realized that Leonard's 10 made him look like a hack) and some of his thoughts on first sentences; with that in mind, I thought I might offer a title, soundtrack and first sentence; they're rough as I haven't finished the press release yet, but---with your exceptional writing skills, that never disappoint---I trust you implicitly to edit and improve my humble offering before its submitted to the judges (Ravi). Title: *She was always on my mind*. Sound track: Always on my Mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7f189Z0v0Y Suggested first
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Yes dear I spent all my evening playing the Barry Wright delusional belief puzzle game, it was intricate, challenging and lot of fun - not sure how you manages to do it blind-folded - is it? Oh well. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:32 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** Ravi, you can take your time with the Pong style Barry Wright puzzle video game. The sound would be hard to hear with the wonderful bass recording going on, at the moment. I have to be quiet right now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Printed a copy and have my black Sharpie in hand. I can almost do this blindfolded, except don't want to mark up the teak by accident. Cause if I do that, then I may have to pull out 600 grit sand paper. To clean up the Barry Wright for fun game/puzzle. If the sanded varnish transfers to the nearby fabric, then another fine mess, the Barry Wright for fun/game puzzle spreads to more chores and clean up. Whew, this is work. Opps, debris on the floor now. This could end up like Dr. Seuss's, The Cat and the Hat! Oh my, and most definitely like the polluted section of Turq-FFL board posts. It's all good if one can sieve his very few non ego written sentences. Takes a fine strainer though, to find them. Ravi, could you design a quick video game like the old, Pong, using the chart provided. Add the sound too, so I can run it in the background, like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GFTNEbu2FU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GFTNEbu2FU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Here's a little game/puzzle, the first winner to successfully finish it gets a prize. ​I​ ​dentify the following delusional beliefs with the person professing the belief (the first one as an example) [image: Inline image 1]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Well first thing Grandpa Xeno needs to understand is I do not approach matters of heart like him, like some cold, psychopathic, bone-a-babe clinical experiments. I'm a real sensitive, compassionate, vulnerable lover. As it is I find it hard to fall in love and I was apparently cursed and the existence played a cruel, twisted joke by making me fall in love with a woman who is currently fantasizing on Amma. So yeah you all have to deal with my sexually frustrated insults in the interim :-) On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:57 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** I think the term shared by Xeno to Ravi, Bone a babe, was giving good elderly advice. Xeno, having had many experiences is wondering why a young fit hunk like Ravi would be spending his days posting on boards, when in Xeno's mind, that is the LAST thing Xeno would be doing if he had his chance to do it over, and those three words as blunt as they are, are to the point as in, No time to waste cuz life creeps up on you fast, better go use it before you loose it, type of wisdom. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: *sigh* Yeah you figured out my Grandpa Xeno - in the absence of his Universal, abstract constructs he turns into a graceless, tactless douche-bag. But you know what that creepy, cold, heartless bastard may have never fallen in love, may have never sung a song in joy or pain, may never have played an instrument, written poetry, loved any children or pets, but he certainly loves me !!! Because his Universal, abstract constructs fail once I start messing with his big head and so he will be always be redeemed because that bitter, sullen old man loves me. Xeno will forever be remembered in my mind as the man who said bone a babe. I have never quite heard it said like this and coming from him it opened my eyes a little bit. Now all this talk about Charlie M with his unquotable quotes. Ravi, you have finally gotten to the Xenon, you hit some tragic nerve and all Spock-like control has left him, for a few moments. Yes, I was unpleasantly surprised by that expression, too. Sounds so clinical, like de-boning a fish or a chicken. Definitely some social integration needed for Zee-no. Hope he doesn't meet any babes in the meantime.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Please ignore Bob dear, clearly Mrs. Price is mad at him and not letting him conduct any bone-a-babe clinical experiments and he is expressing his frustration. He will eventually wise up to your and Xeno's awesomeness. On Aug 21, 2013, at 1:41 PM, sharelong60 sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance, pointing out one of the most fun aspects of studying literature: different interpretations of the same piece! You with your vain and deluded king, me with my trembling in their boots subjects who consequently are willing to collude with their sovereign in his vanity and delusion. Does the child's utterance not sweep all characters up in one innocent observation? PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never sold any fluids, embalming or otherwise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self awareness; I can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old embalming fluid salesmen---with little or no sense of humour. PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups are cracked! ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc From: Bob Price bobpriced@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing anything at all!, he was making a fashion statement? I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity. From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure! From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility and self-honesty are thy attributes. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good to be vulnerable? Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so very *relevant* to his point.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Can someone please help my aunt understand the difference between stupidity and irony? Emily? Am I asking too much? On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:32 PM, sharelong60 sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I was practicing up on my irony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote: Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance Yep, Stumblin' Bob, we call him. (BTW, I think by old embalming fluid salesmen, he was referring to Xeno.) , pointing out one of the most fun aspects of studying literature: different interpretations of the same piece! You with your vain and deluded king, me with my trembling in their boots subjects who consequently are willing to collude with their sovereign in his vanity and delusion. Does the child's utterance not sweep all characters up in one innocent observation? PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never sold any fluids, embalming or otherwise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self awareness; I can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old embalming fluid salesmen---with little or no sense of humour. PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups are cracked! ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc From: Bob Price bobpriced@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing anything at all!, he was making a fashion statement? I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity. From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure! From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility and self-honesty are thy attributes. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good to be vulnerable? Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so very *relevant* to his point.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
OMG - can you please stop ganging up on my poor old aunt. Can't you see how gentle I am with her? On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:02 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I found a copy of the rulinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8EKndHBy7U --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 wrote: Yes, I was practicing up on my irony. Your ironing you say? We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote: Yes, I was practicing up on my irony. Your ironing you say? We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board. Yes, although I hear there might be a wrinkle or two in getting a decision. The board is known to consist of starched shirt types who can really build up a head of steam when pressed for this type of unanimous ruling. LOL..that really cracked me up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Hey Doc - thank you, yes indeed a natural fascination/attraction for other cultures, there's healthy and unhealthy and you are right I got to see lot of unhealthy aping of Hindu customs around Amma. Ravi, do you ever get treated as spiritually special just because you are Indian - lol No - dear God no. Because all my life, pre-2009 I have acted normal, extremely introverted except at work and focused on my career and family. Post-2009 it's a different story - it's either a loving, playful, sincere, supportive act with friends and totally outrageous, crazy, witty, silly - hell bent on mocking, confusing, perplexing people and pushing their buttons with my act. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:38 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** Ooops - Conversely, met a lot of brown and black people... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Its a weird fucking thing - I have met a lot of white people in the US who have some desire at some point, to be black or brown, ethnic, or, exotic. Your descriptions of all the, my precious little brown sister stuff, around Amma, reminds me of it. Conversely, met a lot of brown and people that want to be whiter. I grew up as a minority white kid, but I also tanned - lol, and spoke the languages of the countries where I lived. Ravi, do you ever get treated as spiritually special just because you are Indian - lol? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Religious delusional beliefs - a set of beliefs, consisting of religious terms, myths, symbolisms, archetypes, philosophy and/or paradigm that form a person's narrative of his or her subjective, spiritual, mystical experiences which thereby leaves the person invulnerable to reality. So an important premise of the definition is that each of us human beings are created, vulnerable beings i.e are subject to be influenced by reality (or life or existence or God or whatever way you would like to objectify this energy which I have chosen to merely define it as a mysterious, dynamic, organic entity) Once an agreement is reached on the basic premise, the definition of religious delusional beliefs is very easy to be understood and why I choose to label Amma under the grip of a religious, delusional belief, hopelessly deceived and deluded. Amma - went through genuine mystical experiences but the villagers then enchanted by this woman, Amma in a mystical trance assumed Amma to be possessed by the Divine Mother. In line with centuries old superstitious beliefs of theirs, their objectification of the ​mysterious, dynamic, organic entity. Here Amma, a woman who was much abused by her family, crude and uneducated fishergirl didn't know any better. Her father, who also enacted these myths of divine possession - of Krishna and Devi must have played along as well. Why not - this was part of their folklore, their beliefs. Thus started the myth of the Divine Mother which would fool humanity for a long time. Now you can see this from her autobiography - a tale of magic, mystery constructed out of the above narrative. I think the people around her conveniently fit her child abuse, her other stories into an incredulous narrative of 18th century woo-woo. And on the myth spread and now the PR team takes it one step further and elevates her to the status of a humanitarian - medals, awards - even a doctorate follows. Westerners burdened by their guilt for poor, for suffering, ridden by this existential angst, eager to unburden themselves, numb themselves from reality's puzzling, baffling, perplexing contradictions and complexities were quite willing to buy into this mystical, magical tale who a-la-Christ suffered for humanity's sins - this loving, embracing Saint. It's a wonder that she has fooled the public and press for this long - the majority anyway. So will reality play along with Ravi Chivukula's theory? Is Ravi - a mere instrument of reality in this unravelling of the myth of Amma? Amma - a mystically entranced Amma, an innocent village girl turned charlatan? Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality - I will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully adapt to the new reality.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
Oh dear Obba - this is really hilarious, especially the part about put me on your list for next lifetime Bob?. Bob definitely knows how to charm women - he is a serious threat to me here !!! And what was the deal with that Bhagwad Geeta, chapter 7 Bankruptcy proceedings - WTF? totally cracked me up. Carry on dear. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:13 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** Oh geez Ann, what'd ya hafta do that for? Cozy us all down to not being liked by a possible somebody or two. Since you DID this, I must confess, right here and now, because I want to, not because I have to that my Love for the Turq has truly been pretend. I thought since everyone is confessing and I don't want to hear others had to go to the doctor and get on stronger meds, or if I caused anyone to smoke or bate vigorously, or vomit, to each his own, and you know already, the Turq stayed clear of FFL today on account of sticking his head in a brothel near Paris, because Mr. Bob Price gave him a good whippin yesterday. Yes he did. There is no one I do not like on this FFL board. Only stimulating challenge is how I see it. My lie was with the Turq though. He is a repulsive old man, even though an older man can be highly attractive to me, the Turq is what they refer to as, tout lavé. I may think different if he was to repent, but as Mr. Bob Price put it, well, I cannot even attempt to explain anything he said, it was just absolutely beautiful and majestic. A true King, and his consort, Mrs. Price. Put me on your list for next life time, Bob? ;) Just saying that is enough to make the Turq shrivel and shrink like a man in cold bath water. Turq, only the really good looking men want me, so no need to attempt to demean me as you do not fit in that category, no matter how many cute movie stars you fall in love with while only viewing them on your computer or at the movie house. Bitch. There. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: It's okay Rory. No one needs to do what Barry does so well himself (and it isn't that he isevil) but what he reveals about himself needs no verification, encouragement or validation by others. He is the author, the creator of his own persona; it doesn't require any action from anyone else to allow this to show itself. I don't think anyone here is against anyone else because the love Barry or think he's a great writer or is God's gift to travelogue posts. We are all going to see people differently and they are going to either appeal to us or not appeal to us. There are so many personalities here and I am not sure there is one single person that everyone unanimously likes - except Alex! Ha! True enough, Ann. I just forgot for a bit what it was like here :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
No dear - this guy needs to chill with some Irani chai (tea), Hyderabadi style http://youtu.be/fj43k9DH6UE On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:16 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adyjwFgXRNY Chill, dude. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: (snip) That's were you got your timeline wrong, and you prove another time, that you always disguise facts, by simply creating a diversion. Distract, point in a different direction to create a smokescreen, and ultimately make your audience tired. And it#s simply lame of you to not be able to admit obvious mistakes. No, no, toots, this was your mistake. It isn't a diversion or a disguising of fact or a distraction or a smokescreen to explain to you where you went wrong--quite the opposite, in fact. I'm so sorry it tires you out to have to deal with your errors, but them's the breaks. It should have been obvious when I referred to Robin's courteous response which post I had in mind LOL only in your mind. I'm not into mind-reading, Oh, you most certainly are. You're *heavily* into it. Where? When? Take your time if you need to think something up.. like yourself. If you are referring to something, why don't you just spell it out, which post you mean, so that we know, what you are talking about. As I already said, if you weren't sure what post I was referring to, *you could have asked*. But you didn't, you just made a quick assumption without thinking because you were so eager to get me. I could have asked, had I known you had some specific posts in mind, not related at all to the posts we were actually discussing. To do this is called distraction. (since that was the *only* courteous response he addressed to you before he left), I don't know what you mean by 'courteous'. that's totally your value system, you live in a world, a bubble of your own. Gettin' a little tired, are ya? Dictionaries are good if you don't know what a word means. And most cultures value courtesy. It isn't some crazy American idea, or crazy FFL idea, or crazy Judy idea. It's pretty much universal. Universal in your mind only. Judy, to be honest with you, this is your main problem: That you take your value system, your feelings about people and their reactions for granted, and never question your own impression. Very often, you are simply wrong. but you were so anxious to get me that you didn't pay any attention to what I'd said and got the whole thing bassackwards (not for the first time, either). Yes?? Because I didn't know what you had in mind?? Get real! Yes!! Because you didn't *ask*!! Oh yes I should anticipate to ask for something I don't know that it exists? LOL Oh, yeah, you won, because I didn't know what you had in mind, right? So silly. Well, I don't think anybody wins these silly arguments. But a person can *lose* by just, you know, being RELY RELY STPID. You *lost* because you were in such a hurry to accuse me of getting the timeline wrong that you didn't stop to think whether that made any sense. No, you still didn't get it: your distraction is still on. I was referring to your claim Robin 'had seen through me' and that either of these two letters consists proof for it. Now your call.
[FairfieldLife] Lady Gaga for Robin
Yoga makes me feel like I can do anything. Lipstick makes me feel like a slut. I only need these two things to survive. Lady Gaga http://www.elephantjournal.com/2011/02/yoga-makes-me-feel-like-i-can-do-\ anything-lipstick-makes-me-feel-like-a-slut-i-only-need-these-two-things\ -to-survive-lady-gaga/ http://www.elephantjournal.com/2011/02/yoga-makes-me-feel-like-i-can-do\ -anything-lipstick-makes-me-feel-like-a-slut-i-only-need-these-two-thing\ s-to-survive-lady-gaga/ :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
Uh-oh am I in trouble Uncle Tantrum :-) (you better add Tantra and Tantrum, King Baby to your search keywords as well, do you have your spreadsheet somewhere online?) On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I think Barry is in the south of France pursuing solitude - or so he said, no? In the south of France, solitude pursues YOU, not vice-versa. :-) But yes, I'm staying in a 300-year-old house that used to be a silk-weaving establishment, and the silence is so profound that the only thing that disturbs it is the wind, which...uh...isn't all that disturbing. I quickly scanned FFL in Message View this morning, but to be honest didn't bother to read anything other than AZ's comments about BB and a couple of Xeno's keen observations. All I needed to know about FFL and its obsessions could be learned from the search engine. I made a total of 5 posts this posting week, and then moved out into the countryside and no longer bothered either reading or responding. But search for the number of posts made after August 16 that contain turq OR turquoiseb OR Barry and you get a grand total of 171 posts. Out of a total of 440 posts. That means -- as far as I can tell -- that you people are so devoid of things to talk about in your own lives that you spend 38.8% of your posts talking about someone WHO ISN'T EVEN HERE. We've seen this before, in the way that some here continued to obsess on Vaj or Curtis or Sal S or others who blew off this place as Not Worth Their Time. Try to imagine how embarrassing that'll be for all of you if I do the same thing. I mean, all these years (in some cases decades) spent trying to demonize Barry, and all you can find to talk about when he's not posting is... uh...Barry. I think that kinda says it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Ravi: 'Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality - I will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully adapt to the new reality.' Ravi, you do not have to adapt to a new reality. You are the reality. Must be some cobwebs in there somewhere. Vulnerability comes with the territory. You trying to start a debate with reality Grandpa Xeno? You are one of the most hopelessly deluded persons on FFL BTW. The man of the Universal, abstract constructs aka platitudes :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility and self-honesty are thy attributes. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good to be vulnerable? Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so very *relevant* to his point.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Thanks for that clarification Rick. I understand your constraints, if at all I was disappointed that my respect for you as someone who enables and supports free speech faltered as you handed over the moderator ship to an Amma fanatic. Anyway sanity's restored, Jim's back as the onwer/moderator - as usual people accuse of me of bullying, verbal abuse, dominating but he is able to see and appreciate the larger context of mine - thank god. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: ** *From:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ravi Chivukula *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:42 AM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess ** ** Well dear Rory - this is a post from Ammachi free speech zone Yahoo group - Amma's deluded, deceived devotees are keeping me busy for the last week and I'm having a lot of fun. Currently the archives are not public, because it so happened Amma's devotees indulged in personal attacks - character attacks, and the owner/moderator Jim was absent for that entire duration (last July/Aug to June this year). I was also banned after the interim moderator Rick handed over the moderatorship to some pro-Amma fanatic (don't ask me why). I didn’t want to do it any more.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
wrote:
​You trying to start a debate with reality Grandpa Xeno?
You are one of the most hopelessly deluded persons on FFL BTW. The man of
the Universal, abstract constructs aka platitudes :-)
You really need to bone a babe Ravi. You are stuck, you gotta break out of
that mold. Do you have a standardised form you fill out when you post?
'You are { insult #1 }, { insult #2 }, { insult #3 }, etc., {
categorisation remark #1 }, { categorisation remark #2 }, etc.
You write and post some nice things from time to time. You need some
social skills not related to reading Judy's and Barry's posts.
Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless zombie
like you? LOL..I am a natural charmer, I easily charm and entertain and
captivate an audience. It shows how alienated from reality and how
hopelessly deluded you are, you idiot.
Did you read Bob Price from last night, that I make insults sing and dance?
I spend lot of intelligence in my insults - whereas you SPEND ZERO
INTELLIGENCE AND ZERO CREATIVITY in your Universal, abstract constructs.
My insults are highly customized for each individual you ignorant fool -
show me where I reuse my insults - who else have I accused of using
Universal, abstract constructs other than you?
I only use generic insults when I'm still in the bait, provoke mode, still
collecting some information on an individual, building my dossier.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
*sigh*
Yeah you figured out my Grandpa Xeno - in the absence of his Universal,
abstract constructs he turns into a graceless, tactless douche-bag.
But you know what that creepy, cold, heartless bastard may have never
fallen in love, may have never sung a song in joy or pain, may never have
played an instrument, written poetry, loved any children or pets, but he
certainly loves me !!! Because his Universal, abstract constructs fail once
I start messing with his big head and so he will be always be redeemed
because that bitter, sullen old man loves me.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:48 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
**
Xeno Exustio Offensio Vulnus Anorexias, Bone a babe? Come on! Really?
You need social skills! Here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyIuuktFTn0
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
​You trying to start a debate with reality Grandpa Xeno?
You are one of the most hopelessly deluded persons on FFL BTW. The
man of
the Universal, abstract constructs aka platitudes :-)
You really need to bone a babe Ravi. You are stuck, you gotta break
out of
that mold. Do you have a standardised form you fill out when you post?
'You are { insult #1 }, { insult #2 }, { insult #3 }, etc., {
categorisation remark #1 }, { categorisation remark #2 }, etc.
You write and post some nice things from time to time. You need some
social skills not related to reading Judy's and Barry's posts.
​Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless
zombie
like you? LOL..I am a natural charmer, I easily charm and entertain and
captivate an audience. It shows how alienated from reality and how
hopelessly deluded you are, you idiot.
Did you read Bob Price from last night, that I make insults sing and
dance?
I spend lot of intelligence in my insults - whereas you SPEND ZERO
INTELLIGENCE AND ZERO CREATIVITY in your Universal, abstract constructs.
My insults are highly customized for each individual you ignorant fool -
show me where I reuse my insults - who else have I accused of using
Universal, abstract constructs other than you?
I only use generic insults when I'm still in the bait, provoke mode,
still
collecting some information on an individual, building my dossier.
​
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Ravi, did you get anymore out of Xeno's statement above, or is it just me? No dear, I'm in the same boat yeah. I'm telling you it's hard to make Grandpa Xeno give up his universal, abstract constructs easily but once he does he sounds totally deranged. He has this weird fascination with serial killers and psychopaths and sociopaths and it comes out - I'm used to it now, but yeah you will get used to it eventually. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:51 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless zombie like you? Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing shows you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I suggest Charles Manson: 'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really my affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you see I'm free?' 'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. It's there. It's the will of life.' 'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.' 'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert — it's the same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every sound, smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state of total paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.' 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't have to do as much.' Do less and accomplish more. Huh? Just sit with your eyes close and hand over all your money. If you have none left, than you have bad karma. The coyote's paranoiaShare, where are you, you can explain better than Xeno Anorexias. I am not even sure how to tackle his logic here. Go with the flow, giving money does not make poverty go away. Oh say can you see! By the dawn's early light! Xenotardness prevails as the twilight's last gleeming! How about those Sox, eh? Can't fly from your pants, but a fly is on your pants! Do nothing, stop typing, stop acting, stop producing, but step right up and sign up here and see the amazing Bearded Woman! Come and see her now! Only $2.00 USD. Go within, forget about the kitchari on the stove! Burn, burn, burn, do nothing, eat the center, accomplish pretzels! Sorry Xeno, this is about the state of awareness you seem to be in. Just an example of Christ, Coyote awareness? Poop. I am posting more and doing less. Just be. Ravi, did you get anymore out of Xeno's statement above, or is it just me?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Voldemort a hack? (was The Prerequisites for Enlightenment)
Now where the fuck is Robin? :-) Damn that was good Bob - how can I be like you? You are one of most creative persons to have graced this list - you leave me with the dissonant feelings of delight, wonder coupled with envy !!! On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:58:43 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Prerequisites for Enlightenment And for your information, I dash off things here and send them without editing them because most of the time I'm just having fun with them. That, and the audience I'm writing for doesn't meet my standards for deserving edited copy -- they're not paying me. For paying customers, I edit. Non-paying customers who don't like my unedited posts can go suck eggs. Non-paying editors who get off on editing my posts for me should pay *me*, for providing them with something to do on those days when they're off work and thus not busy...uh...editing. :-) ** I was thrilled with last weeks *posting without limits*, it gave me a sense of power and control knowing that I could respond to any and all of the 1500+ posts that I just finished reading. One of our illustrious contributors suggested that we might consider a *Best of FFL* going forward, and with that in mind I set myself the difficult task of picking my favorite subject for the week; it was a challenge (how could anyone best Share's attempt to prove she speaks in tongues), but a decision had to be made and I'm going with: Is Voldemort a hack? When I read Voldemort's posts I ask myself: Where's the art?. For someone with his considerable output on FFL, who puts so much effort into selling himself to us as a creative writer, art seems conspicuously absent from his contributions; this might be less true if you consider manual (or phonebook) writing a creative act. As he makes clear above, Voldemort is a writer of manuals, and, IMO, when he attempts anything more than that, the word hack pretty much nails what he becomes. For something to be considered art it's imperative that it have the ability to defamiliarize* by making the familiar, unfamiliar and *new*; Voldemort's posts completely fail at this. OTOH, Judy's choice of the word hack, to describe Voldemort, is a great example of effective defamiliarization---it gave me a new experience of something that was familiar about him. I also must agree with Judy that irony is the life blood of creative writing (writing phonebooks, not as much), and reading Voldemort's attempts at writing creatively ---when he is so handicapped in the irony department (narcissism will do that), is like watching someone with no hands attempt to show off his penmanship (no My left foot jokes please). He also appears to be unable to go beyond cliche and what Martin Amis calls heard words, which make his offerings, on this forum at least, quite artless. Anyone who considers Voldemort a creative writer might consider rereading Hemingway (if you are interested in understanding some of Kerouac's limitations, who Voldemort attempts to emulate---without demonstrating any of Kerouac's talent as an artist). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abc819rT6wI The film The Master was an example for me of the way art can make the familiar *new*; the whole film delivered artistically, but the scene where Lancaster Dodd (Philip Seymour Hoffman) Processes Freddie Quell (Joaquin Phoenix)---for the first time, felt in some way like the first time I meditated; my experience of the scene was familiar and at the same time completely new; part of it was the suggestiveness of Dodd's voice, but more was the scene's transition from Dodd's voice to Quell *living* a previous experience as if for the first time, and the familiarity it had to my first meditation and the first superlative clarity of the thought (engram or, if you will, un-stressing) that reported or noticed an artifact of my awareness that had just existed without thinking. The art of the writing, acting, and editing were part of it, but I believe it was the cinematography, with its use of 70mm film (which is rare today), that more than anything else was essential to making the experience possible for me. Another component of the film that worked the same way for me was Joaquin Phoenix's characterization of Freddie Quell, which allowed me to experience---as if for the first time---character types that I met as a child who were friends of my father that had served with him in WW2; JP's characterization of Quell had the same effect on me as a number of characters Jim Thompson (writer of The Getaway and The Grifters) created that felt as new, when I read about them in his novels, but reminded me of some psychopathic cowboy's my father socialized with. I wouldn't disagree
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
Rory - I'm glad to hear you are doing well. I can't believe I'm now saying this but please leave me out of your posts because now I'm worried about your extreme fragility and my bug up my ass brutality sending you to hospital again.(I'm extremely serious, concerned yet also find disturbingly hilarious) Let me say this - I now realize that there are physical implications in questioning people's delusional beliefs as well and I wish to leave you alone and it may be in your best interest to leave me out because I'm extremely allergic to dishonesty and people misquoting, misrepresenting me and then I will be forced to respond. A good thing now is you can once again start claims of your invincibility, enlightenment, discuss your philosophy and bananagrams and I will not even bother. Not for a while, not after all this drama. Ravi. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:57 AM, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: OK, I am genuinely curious, Jim -- I have always enjoyed respectful and heartfelt conversations with you, and you seem to understand Judy and Ravi. I do get your saying Ravi has a bug up his ass, but what boundary of Judy's did I cross, other than trying to have civil conversations with Turq and Ravi, to get anointed with the most egregious ego I have ever seen, twice, followed by Bullcrap and phony as a three-dollar bill? In what way was this speaking my language? Again, on some levels this I find this very funny, but on others I do not. What I have learned from it is to keep them both at arm's length, because after having opened my heart to them as true friends, the intense physical shock felt like an actual heart attack. As some of the symptoms persisted over several days I finally went to the clinic and they sent me to the ER, but the EKG, blood tests and lung X-rays (don't ask me why they felt those were necessary) came back clean, much to my and my wife's relief. Go figure! *L*L*L* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Sometimes you must speak another person's language to communicate with them. Maharishi said this, meet them at their level of consciousness, so rather than going on and on about compassion and my fellow man, sometimes a good go fuck yourself serves equally well. It is not said in judgment, but rather in context. An attempt at behavioral modification, as would be used on a very stubborn and angry adult child. It shows them immediately that there is a boundary there. Not something one would expect to have to do around adults, setting social boundaries, but some are childish in their state of emotional development. Sorry if it looks ugly from the outside, in, but not sorry enough to stop it, if necessary. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy and Xeno, I'm learning, especially here on FFL, that it's best NEVER to blast someone unkindly. Whether it's *important to* reminds me of something posted a few weeks ago: that evil takes over when good people become prideful. Furthermore, I think it's possible to express one's opinion, set boundaries, etc. without being unkind. Because really, exactly what does unkindness accomplish? Does it produce kindness in the abusive person? If so, then all I can say is that I have seen no empirical evidence of that here on FFL! From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip That may well be true. I don't think one ought to blast people unkindly unless one feels it's important. It isn't something to be done casually or for fun. Getting blasted by Barry, and getting blasted by you are, for me, entirely different experiences. For me, that recent post to Share was the only one, of the ones of Barry's I have read recently that comes close to your intensity. You've missed quite a few posts of his, it seems. Did you see this one, for instance? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/349106 (Actually this is my response, but Barry's post is quoted in its entirety. Interestingly, not long afterward, he decided he was going to go back to not responding to his enemies. Oh, BTW, below Barry's post are my responses to two of yours, which I'm not sure you saw either.) Here's another (also with my response at the top): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/349548 It makes me wonder if somewhere in your life history your method of responding to people developed in response to some less than pleasant events, or it could a family characteristic.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
Rory - You surely must mean - peace unto me in your last line right? Here's something that may help answer your question *Pocket dictionary of Mad Yogi's terms, Page 1* *Religious Delusional beliefs* - a set of beliefs, consisting of religious terms, myths, symbolism, archetypes, philosophy and/or paradigm that forms a person' narrative of his or her subjective, spiritual experiences which thereby leaves the person invulnerable to reality. Peace unto you - really. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:46 PM, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Thank you, Ravi. Yes, disturbingly hilarious about sums it up from this end, too; nicely put. I have no idea what things you think I believe, delusional or (if there is such a thing) otherwise, and I have no idea what on earth made you think I believe them, but I assure you I consciously hold no beliefs to be ultimately true. I will be happy to leave you out of my posts from here on. Peace be unto you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Rory - I'm glad to hear you are doing well. I can't believe I'm now saying this but please leave me out of your posts because now I'm worried about your extreme fragility and my bug up my ass brutality sending you to hospital again.(I'm extremely serious, concerned yet also find disturbingly hilarious) Let me say this - I now realize that there are physical implications in questioning people's delusional beliefs as well and I wish to leave you alone and it may be in your best interest to leave me out because I'm extremely allergic to dishonesty and people misquoting, misrepresenting me and then I will be forced to respond. A good thing now is you can once again start claims of your invincibility, enlightenment, discuss your philosophy and bananagrams and I will not even bother. Not for a while, not after all this drama. Ravi. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:57 AM, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: OK, I am genuinely curious, Jim -- I have always enjoyed respectful and heartfelt conversations with you, and you seem to understand Judy and Ravi. I do get your saying Ravi has a bug up his ass, but what boundary of Judy's did I cross, other than trying to have civil conversations with Turq and Ravi, to get anointed with the most egregious ego I have ever seen, twice, followed by Bullcrap and phony as a three-dollar bill? In what way was this speaking my language? Again, on some levels this I find this very funny, but on others I do not. What I have learned from it is to keep them both at arm's length, because after having opened my heart to them as true friends, the intense physical shock felt like an actual heart attack. As some of the symptoms persisted over several days I finally went to the clinic and they sent me to the ER, but the EKG, blood tests and lung X-rays (don't ask me why they felt those were necessary) came back clean, much to my and my wife's relief. Go figure! *L*L*L* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Sometimes you must speak another person's language to communicate with them. Maharishi said this, meet them at their level of consciousness, so rather than going on and on about compassion and my fellow man, sometimes a good go fuck yourself serves equally well. It is not said in judgment, but rather in context. An attempt at behavioral modification, as would be used on a very stubborn and angry adult child. It shows them immediately that there is a boundary there. Not something one would expect to have to do around adults, setting social boundaries, but some are childish in their state of emotional development. Sorry if it looks ugly from the outside, in, but not sorry enough to stop it, if necessary. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy and Xeno, I'm learning, especially here on FFL, that it's best NEVER to blast someone unkindly. Whether it's *important to* reminds me of something posted a few weeks ago: that evil takes over when good people become prideful. Furthermore, I think it's possible to express one's opinion, set boundaries, etc. without being unkind. Because really, exactly what does unkindness accomplish? Does it produce kindness in the abusive person? If so, then all I can say is that I have seen no empirical evidence of that here on FFL! From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip That may well be true. I don't think one ought to blast people unkindly unless one feels it's important. It isn't something to be done casually
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
Rory - did I ever tell you I have an extreme allergy to inauthentic bullshit? If you keep this up I may end up in hospital because of a severe allergic reaction. Clearly you were the one who was brutalized, abused and ended up in a hospital so the authentic, genuine thing for you would be to wish Peace unto myself and for anyone else during this delicate, sensitive period of time to wish YOU..Peace unto you. Anyway if I end up in hospital due to a severe allergic reaction I would then really appreciate a Peace unto you from everyone else. I will let you know if I develop a full blown allergic reaction, I only seem to have some mild itching at this point. Thank you - that makes sense that you have taken down your autobiography. And as I mentioned in my previous, hate-filled, brutal, abusive, vituperative, raging post that you merely substituted one set of beliefs for another - a more sophisticated one perhaps. Anyway please ignore me - I'm still very, very mad that you won't support me in bashing Barry. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:06 PM, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Peace be unto you is a legitimate if slightly antiquated phrase, Ravi. Yes, I get that you think I am using archetypes, symbolism, myths, paradigms, etc. to form a narrative of my subjective, spiritual experience. Language consists of symbols that form a narrative for any experience. It is sometimes a useful tool. Sometimes not. Nonetheless, I don't hold any of these things as any kind of absolute truth which would leave me, as you put it, invulnerable to reality. If I did, why would I take down my own autobiography and disavow it as being no longer relevant? But thanks for your input. I will attempt to give it all the attention it merits. Peace be unto you, really. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Rory - You surely must mean - peace unto me in your last line right? Here's something that may help answer your question *Pocket dictionary of Mad Yogi's terms, Page 1* *Religious Delusional beliefs* - a set of beliefs, consisting of religious terms, myths, symbolism, archetypes, philosophy and/or paradigm that forms a person' narrative of his or her subjective, spiritual experiences which thereby leaves the person invulnerable to reality. Peace unto you - really. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:46 PM, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: ** Thank you, Ravi. Yes, disturbingly hilarious about sums it up from this end, too; nicely put. I have no idea what things you think I believe, delusional or (if there is such a thing) otherwise, and I have no idea what on earth made you think I believe them, but I assure you I consciously hold no beliefs to be ultimately true. I will be happy to leave you out of my posts from here on. Peace be unto you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Rory - I'm glad to hear you are doing well. I can't believe I'm now saying this but please leave me out of your posts because now I'm worried about your extreme fragility and my bug up my ass brutality sending you to hospital again.(I'm extremely serious, concerned yet also find disturbingly hilarious) Let me say this - I now realize that there are physical implications in questioning people's delusional beliefs as well and I wish to leave you alone and it may be in your best interest to leave me out because I'm extremely allergic to dishonesty and people misquoting, misrepresenting me and then I will be forced to respond. A good thing now is you can once again start claims of your invincibility, enlightenment, discuss your philosophy and bananagrams and I will not even bother. Not for a while, not after all this drama. Ravi. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:57 AM, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: OK, I am genuinely curious, Jim -- I have always enjoyed respectful and heartfelt conversations with you, and you seem to understand Judy and Ravi. I do get your saying Ravi has a bug up his ass, but what boundary of Judy's did I cross, other than trying to have civil conversations with Turq and Ravi, to get anointed with the most egregious ego I have ever seen, twice, followed by Bullcrap and phony as a three-dollar bill? In what way was this speaking my language? Again, on some levels this I find this very funny, but on others I do not. What I have learned from it is to keep them both at arm's length, because after having opened my heart to them as true friends, the intense physical shock felt like an actual heart attack. As some of the symptoms persisted over several days I finally went to the clinic and they sent me to the ER, but the EKG, blood tests and lung X-rays (don't ask me why they felt those were necessary) came back clean
[FairfieldLife] Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Religious delusional beliefs - a set of beliefs, consisting of religious terms, myths, symbolisms, archetypes, philosophy and/or paradigm that form a person's narrative of his or her subjective, spiritual, mystical experiences which thereby leaves the person invulnerable to reality. So an important premise of the definition is that each of us human beings are created, vulnerable beings i.e are subject to be influenced by reality (or life or existence or God or whatever way you would like to objectify this energy which I have chosen to merely define it as a mysterious, dynamic, organic entity) Once an agreement is reached on the basic premise, the definition of religious delusional beliefs is very easy to be understood and why I choose to label Amma under the grip of a religious, delusional belief, hopelessly deceived and deluded. Amma - went through genuine mystical experiences but the villagers then enchanted by this woman, Amma in a mystical trance assumed Amma to be possessed by the Divine Mother. In line with centuries old superstitious beliefs of theirs, their objectification of the âmysterious, dynamic, organic entity. Here Amma, a woman who was much abused by her family, crude and uneducated fishergirl didn't know any better. Her father, who also enacted these myths of divine possession - of Krishna and Devi must have played along as well. Why not - this was part of their folklore, their beliefs. Thus started the myth of the Divine Mother which would fool humanity for a long time. Now you can see this from her autobiography - a tale of magic, mystery constructed out of the above narrative. I think the people around her conveniently fit her child abuse, her other stories into an incredulous narrative of 18th century woo-woo. And on the myth spread and now the PR team takes it one step further and elevates her to the status of a humanitarian - medals, awards - even a doctorate follows. Westerners burdened by their guilt for poor, for suffering, ridden by this existential angst, eager to unburden themselves, numb themselves from reality's puzzling, baffling, perplexing contradictions and complexities were quite willing to buy into this mystical, magical tale who a-la-Christ suffered for humanity's sins - this loving, embracing Saint. It's a wonder that she has fooled the public and press for this long - the majority anyway. So will reality play along with Ravi Chivukula's theory? Is Ravi - a mere instrument of reality in this unravelling of the myth of Amma? Amma - a mystically entranced Amma, an innocent village girl turned charlatan? Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality - I will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully adapt to the new reality.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Well dear Rory - this is a post from Ammachi free speech zone Yahoo group - Amma's deluded, deceived devotees are keeping me busy for the last week and I'm having a lot of fun. Currently the archives are not public, because it so happened Amma's devotees indulged in personal attacks - character attacks, and the owner/moderator Jim was absent for that entire duration (last July/Aug to June this year). I was also banned after the interim moderator Rick handed over the moderatorship to some pro-Amma fanatic (don't ask me why). So he made the archives private while he could delete all attack posts, he invited me back as well. Unfortunately he ran into several Yahoo bugs where he lost the ability to delete posts and to make the archives public again - he is still working on it. And so I make sure I duplicate some of my posts here so it's publicly searchable. Thank you for sharing your experiences. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:35 PM, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: ** OK, sounds good, Ravi; it is good to have a mission statement. If you are asking me, I have no idea of who Amma really is, any more than I do of who anyone really is. I have never been particularly wowed by Amma, personally, but that may just be me, a question of chemistry perhaps. Other people whom I do respect a great deal, do respect Amma a great deal, and I appreciate the magnitude of the devotion they bring to the table. My feelings for Maharishi have gone through the entire gamut over the past 40 years, and I find now I can hold no one view paramount, to the exclusion of all the rest. Personally, I enjoy devotion, at times, and in one sense it probably doesn't matter too much what the object of one's devotion really is. If one can feel devotion for and see the divine in a rock, why not in a person, flawed though they most certainly are from other points of view? On the other hand, it appears to me that we do tend to assume the qualities of our object of devotion, and cultic abuse may subconsciously be carried down through the generations. Or maybe we are just drawn to that particular cult because it matches our own abuse history and patterns. Or both. Of course, it is good to use our intellect in conjunction (and I do mean conjunction) with our heart. I do think we are probably all deceived and deluded to some extent. I know I certainly am, at any rate. All we can do is try to take the feedback into account, and learn, and grow. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Religious delusional beliefs - a set of beliefs, consisting of religious terms, myths, symbolisms, archetypes, philosophy and/or paradigm that form a person's narrative of his or her subjective, spiritual, mystical experiences which thereby leaves the person invulnerable to reality. So an important premise of the definition is that each of us human beings are created, vulnerable beings i.e are subject to be influenced by reality (or life or existence or God or whatever way you would like to objectify this energy which I have chosen to merely define it as a mysterious, dynamic, organic entity) Once an agreement is reached on the basic premise, the definition of religious delusional beliefs is very easy to be understood and why I choose to label Amma under the grip of a religious, delusional belief, hopelessly deceived and deluded. Amma - went through genuine mystical experiences but the villagers then enchanted by this woman, Amma in a mystical trance assumed Amma to be possessed by the Divine Mother. In line with centuries old superstitious beliefs of theirs, their objectification of the ​mysterious, dynamic, organic entity. Here Amma, a woman who was much abused by her family, crude and uneducated fishergirl didn't know any better. Her father, who also enacted these myths of divine possession - of Krishna and Devi must have played along as well. Why not - this was part of their folklore, their beliefs. Thus started the myth of the Divine Mother which would fool humanity for a long time. Now you can see this from her autobiography - a tale of magic, mystery constructed out of the above narrative. I think the people around her conveniently fit her child abuse, her other stories into an incredulous narrative of 18th century woo-woo. And on the myth spread and now the PR team takes it one step further and elevates her to the status of a humanitarian - medals, awards - even a doctorate follows. Westerners burdened by their guilt for poor, for suffering, ridden by this existential angst, eager to unburden themselves, numb themselves from reality's puzzling, baffling, perplexing contradictions and complexities were quite willing to buy into this mystical, magical tale who a-la-Christ suffered for humanity's sins - this loving, embracing Saint. It's a wonder that she has fooled the public and press
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC
Before this unlimited posting week started I thought 200 posts a day is probably OK and it seems that's what the average might be. On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Is this just for this week? Is everyone cool with these post totals? Are the posts substantive or are people clogging up the works with a lot of “me too” posts? Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/10/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00 1242 messages as of (UTC) 08/15/13 21:59:00 153 Share Long 146 authfriend 136 doctordumbass 102 obbajeeba 76 RoryGoff 72 Ravi Chivukula 70 Ann 59 turquoiseb 53 nablusoss1008 40 card 40 Bhairitu 39 Michael Jackson 34 salyavin808 31 Alex Stanley 24 seventhray27 24 raunchydog 17 Seraphita 16 emilymae.reyn 15 iranitea 15 Emily Reyn 14 sparaig 8 Mike Dixon 8 John 7 sharelong60 5 Duveyoung 4 curtisdeltablues 4 PaliGap 3 zarzari_786 3 wgm4u 3 merudanda 3 emptybill 3 Rick Archer 2 srijau 2 mjackson74 2 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 2 Susan 1 wleed3 1 nemodomi 1 feste37 1 azgrey 1 Paulo Barbosa 1 Jason 1 Dick Mays Posters: 43 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] A lesson on analytical thinking for Amma devotees
A funny post I had to make on the Amma Yahoo group. Probably relevant to lot of posters here as well - such as salyavin, Nabby, Buck. Important study materials for you and other clueless, illogical, irrational Amma devotees who wish to enter into a discussion here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modes_of_persuasion Before you start reading on Cognitive Biases you need to understand two types of thinking - Intuitive thinking and Analytical thinking. Intuitive thinking - is quick, effortless - such as the answer to 2 x 2 (4), or to the capital of France (Paris). It let's us enjoy music while driving a car, run away when confronted by a wild animal. Analytical thinking - what is 345 x 654? Not so easy huh? Analytical thinking requires more effort and is slower. Though intuitive thinking has lot of advantages - the major disadvantage is we quickly jump to conclusions, intuitive thinking is where all the cognitive biases come in, such as If it takes 5 men 5 minutes to make 5 widgets - how long does it take 100 men to make 100 widgets? Did you say 100 minutes? The correct answer is 5 minutes but 100 seems very intuitive doesn't it? So... Oh wow Amma is sitting whole day hugging people, she seems so simple, loving, humble so surely all the money must be going to charity, to poor people Right? That would be intuitive thinking. Rational thinking would require more effort, show me the books as Joan said one millionaire who wanted to donate to Amma asked - that was analytical thinking. Intuitive thinking leads us to believe Amma is a Mahatma, a saint But Analytical thinking has shown me that she is a charlatan.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Rory, It's clear that I have upset you and you have taken my challenge as an attack on your very being, your integrity and your spiritual experiences. I apologize for causing you pain but I will make no apologies for challenging your belief system - I have done my best to clarify that I was mocking your belief system, your narrative and not you as a person, your spiritual experiences. You are not the first person and you won't be the last. I certainly don't think you are enlightened, that's a hilarious notion for me. But I don't think you are in a space to see that difference since you seem so emotionally, psychologically invested in your belief system. This becomes clear in several statements you have made. Thank you for considering me as your friend, for the respect and love you had. But I question the basis of such a friendship now - I never cared for anyone's support back in 2010/11 - I could handle Barry and others just fine on my own, in fact I was having a blast. If someone calls me crazy it only titillates me, I enjoy it, I feed off of it, I wear it as a badge of honor. No - I didn't go on a tirade against you and no - my reason for mocking your belief system is not because you won't support me in attacking Barry. This is hilarious Rory - I don't play like that. There are Ravi's cronies - I don't know how you got that into your head. Perhaps Obba's posts have offended you - we are good friends and we are playful and silly, mostly entertaining each other. I like her crazy, witty, creative posts and so I intentionally poke her so I can get her into posting a crazy, playful, creative post and then enjoying the hilarity of it. But I would detest if anyone including Obba supported me because of such superficial agenda. There's no *agenda* here - you hear me Rory - no ganging up on Barry - that's a fiction, there's no Ravi's group here - you are fantasizing - you have made this process worse by highly ludicrous statements like this. If tomorrow Obba or any others I like come up with something I don't like I will directly say so, I will challenge them. My allegiance is to the truth not some fantasy rapport, love, light, laughter, superficial, inauthentic friendship. I don't appreciate bullshit like this Rory regardless of the fact that you are hurt. You apparently are an extremely fragile person - I will leave you to your fate but remember this is an online discussion list, it is a place of battle hardened veterans as Jason once remarked. I am free to challenge anyone with what you refer to as *my patented tirades*. So I don't really understand what you mean by - *leave me out of it*. As long as you participate here you will referred to, you may say - hey Ravi I'm unsubscribing - don't mock me anymore and then I may choose to honor your request. Please be clear here. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Oh and one more thing Rory. The reason I had to go hard at you is because of fanciful claim of being enlightened, all those posts about UC, GC, BC - drove me nuts, if it wasn't I would have taken it easy. So by the very nature of your fanciful claims you made it harder for me. Sorry Rory. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: Rory, It's clear that I have upset you and you have taken my challenge as an attack on your very being, your integrity and your spiritual experiences. I apologize for causing you pain but I will make no apologies for challenging your belief system - I have done my best to clarify that I was mocking your belief system, your narrative and not you as a person, your spiritual experiences. You are not the first person and you won't be the last. I certainly don't think you are enlightened, that's a hilarious notion for me. But I don't think you are in a space to see that difference since you seem so emotionally, psychologically invested in your belief system. This becomes clear in several statements you have made. Thank you for considering me as your friend, for the respect and love you had. But I question the basis of such a friendship now - I never cared for anyone's support back in 2010/11 - I could handle Barry and others just fine on my own, in fact I was having a blast. If someone calls me crazy it only titillates me, I enjoy it, I feed off of it, I wear it as a badge of honor. No - I didn't go on a tirade against you and no - my reason for mocking your belief system is not because you won't support me in attacking Barry. This is hilarious Rory - I don't play like that. There are Ravi's cronies - I don't know how you got that into your head. Perhaps Obba's posts have offended you - we are good friends and we are playful and silly, mostly entertaining each other. I like her crazy, witty, creative posts and so I intentionally poke her so I can get her into posting a crazy, playful, creative post and then enjoying the hilarity of it. But I would detest if anyone including Obba supported me because of such superficial agenda. There's no *agenda* here - you hear me Rory - no ganging up on Barry - that's a fiction, there's no Ravi's group here - you are fantasizing - you have made this process worse by highly ludicrous statements like this. If tomorrow Obba or any others I like come up with something I don't like I will directly say so, I will challenge them. My allegiance is to the truth not some fantasy rapport, love, light, laughter, superficial, inauthentic friendship. I don't appreciate bullshit like this Rory regardless of the fact that you are hurt. You apparently are an extremely fragile person - I will leave you to your fate but remember this is an online discussion list, it is a place of battle hardened veterans as Jason once remarked. I am free to challenge anyone with what you refer to as *my patented tirades*. So I don't really understand what you mean by - *leave me out of it*. As long as you participate here you will referred to, you may say - hey Ravi I'm unsubscribing - don't mock me anymore and then I may choose to honor your request. Please be clear here. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Oh whoa dear Share - you are a dangerous person LOL, unable to distinguish irony and sarcasm. When I said I don't mess with Judy, Ann, raunchy it was a round-about way of letting you know that they are strong, mature, intelligent women and that I respect them for that. No - if there's something they say needs to be challenged it will be challenged by me, obviously it won't be similar to my approach with Rory because they haven't made any fanciful, religious delusional claims so far. Now - get off the list, this is not healthy for you and get some medical help for paranoid, delusional tendencies. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Since Judy has brought up psychopathology, I'll mention that it's interesting to me that in this post Ann says that she doesn't want to mess with Ravi. Ravi himself has said several times that he wouldn't take on Judy or Ann or Raunchy. So is this the basis of the supposed friendships between these people? That they're afraid of each other? Which is what they accuse me of in relation to turq! Can't help but say: go figure! -- *From:* Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:36 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. Ravi, I admire you in many ways. You are a kind of warrior. I see some of myself in you. I fight against and abhor many of the same things you do. I recognize many of the same negatives that surround me as manifested by others. I go about dealing with these things in my own way but respect how each one of the people who I admire at FFL do so in their own manner. I was not thinking of you specifically when I spoke of any abuse of Rory; it was a general statement in response to what Jim wrote and based on some personal correspondence with Rory. I don't think Rory was abused by anybody. He is a big boy and can say and do whatever he needs to look after himself. So no, I'll let you know directly if I think you're out of line or abusive. So far, so good. Personally, I don't want to mess with you so I'll do my damnedest to keep that formidable warrior part of yourself fighting with me, not against me. Deal? On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The party continues...and parties need music
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Dear Share - You need some medication to calm your paranoia and delusions. Your pastoral counselor is clearly enabling your delusional behavior. Give me some examples of their behavior, relevant posts and I will. You are new here, we have had our share of drama on and off. So this vague innuendo doesn't help dear. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Ravi, I still have an appt every Sunday with my very competent pastoral counselor. That will have to suffice. Now, please show me where you have challenged Judy or Emily or Raunchy or Ann, thank you. Oh right, they NEVER say anything that needs to be challenged. Got it in one! -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:02 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio Oh whoa dear Share - you are a dangerous person LOL, unable to distinguish irony and sarcasm. When I said I don't mess with Judy, Ann, raunchy it was a round-about way of letting you know that they are strong, mature, intelligent women and that I respect them for that. No - if there's something they say needs to be challenged it will be challenged by me, obviously it won't be similar to my approach with Rory because they haven't made any fanciful, religious delusional claims so far. Now - get off the list, this is not healthy for you and get some medical help for paranoid, delusional tendencies. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Since Judy has brought up psychopathology, I'll mention that it's interesting to me that in this post Ann says that she doesn't want to mess with Ravi. Ravi himself has said several times that he wouldn't take on Judy or Ann or Raunchy. So is this the basis of the supposed friendships between these people? That they're afraid of each other? Which is what they accuse me of in relation to turq! Can't help but say: go figure! -- *From:* Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:36 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. Ravi, I admire you in many ways. You are a kind of warrior. I see some of myself in you. I fight against and abhor many of the same things you do. I recognize many of the same negatives that surround me
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Ravi has a bug up his ass about spiritual teachers and claims of enlightenment. It's *his* bug, so don't let it bother you. Yes I do have a bug up my ass about spiritual teachers and their claims of enlightenment masquerading delusional beliefs. But I don't let this bug up my ass constrain me in any way, if I realize this bug has caused me to veer away from reality, from truth I will self-correct very quickly. Rory clearly has failed here as is clear from wild and ludicrous message last night. May be you are trying to sooth him here dear raunchy - in that case I'm cool. Also I have nothing against spiritual teachers and their claims of enlightenment - it's always what they are peddling - in the myriad forms of religious delusional beliefs, Divine Mother, Avatar nonsense or some intricate philosophy like wavicles, particles, me, Us bullshit. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:53 AM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. Stick around, Rory. After today, things can only get better. Ravi has a bug up his ass about spiritual teachers and claims of enlightenment. It's *his* bug, so don't let it bother you. I haven't a clue about anyone's state of consciousness regardless of claims and I really don't care one way or another. Whatever floats yer boat. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
Dear Share - this should be clear if you use some intelligence. Robin never claimed to be invincible during his time at FFL, whereas Rory clearly implied invincibility through his philosophy of heal and integrate - clearly a mere philosophy at this point. Stop obsessing over Judy, if you think you can keep up with her, point out some inconsistency you need more intelligent brain cells than you currently possess. On Aug 14, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Good Lord, Judy, can you really not see how you praise Robin yet not Rory for what seems to me to be the same combo of strong and vulnerable?! Oh right, ONLY Robin is strong yet vulnerable. Rory, in contrast, according to you, gets hurt by a few criticisms and, from another post, appears to be invulnerable. IMHO you are the Queen of Double Standards! From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: (snip) Judy, I get what you are saying. And I wasn't giving out my opinion right away. But you have to take into account, that we are not talking here about anybody. We are talking here about somebody who claims the highest state of enlightenment, Claimed it *as of 35 years ago*. No, right here, he was still making appeals to have special insight into, what he called people's first persons ontology. But not on the basis of being enlightened. His whole *point* was that anyone could cultivate this kind of insight. You yourself believed him to be still in a sort of enlighetend state (as you wrote to me in one of those mails.) As I said, you are leaving out part of what I told you. (snip) So at some point, rightly or wrongly, I felt that I had to make my own position clear, not being vague, and people knew, I was hiding my opinion, and called me out on that. That was right or wrong, but I did it. I am not the ultimate judge over him, and I am not the first. And please note, I didn't do it out of aggression or to hurt him. Sorry, I don't believe you. I think you wanted to punish him for having the nerve, in your view, to claim to have been enlightened. See, Judy, that's really what makes you so weird, you believe you know peoples motivations, and come up with the most absurd theory. What makes you so sure about this rubbish you just said? Your behavior generally on this forum, and the angry vibes behind your posts to and about him. Same with Barry. Now that's the point! That says more about you than you think. A clear give away. thank you. Uh-huh. That's real convincing, iranitea. (snip) In any case, *you* didn't think he'd ever been enlightened, so you can't use what I thought as an excuse. No, you are wrong. I clearly considered the possibility. And decided against it. The guy had been through hell for 25-plus years, in seclusion, beating himself up for what he'd done, trying to get his head on straight, and finally being successful. According to his own dramatic testimony. Now, IF he has been so cruel to himself, casting himself into this situation, what am I to blame for? If he really went through all this, really and honestly, how could my feeble opinion, me, a nobody, have disturbed him? I can't believe you have so little empathy. Look at Rory, just now, who claims to be in *Brahman* consciousness, if not beyond. Apparently he was badly hurt by a few criticisms from the folks here. Robin just gritted his teeth and carried on, but it seems pretty clear to me he was upset by all the crap he was getting from you and Barry and especially from Vaj. I suspect that's why he got the attributions mixed up in that post. If he could take Maharishis 'Madman' with a straight face, and continue his act, rent a helicopter, how could such a man be possibly lose balance by my thinking he is borderline? At that time he was in a significantly altered state of consciousness and had been for some years. His experience was that he was simply a tool carrying out the cosmic plan, that his own will had no role to play and was essentially not functioning. He doesn't have that experience any longer. It's what he spent 25 years working to get rid of, at enormous personal cost. My sense of him is that he's an extremely vulnerable person, in the sense of being open to whatever comes at him, but also an immensely *strong* person, who is able to absorb very harsh blows without losing it. That doesn't mean the blows don't affect him; it just means he doesn't fall apart from the discomfort. (Which I had meant literally
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
The transits show that a pure, innocent woman whose name starts with the initial S, ending with E with the letters H, A, R in the middle will be subject to lot of hardship by mean people. She just needs to get off FFL and integrate these mean wavicles in and of her and return when Mars moves to Leo. On Aug 14, 2013, at 12:51 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks, John, but what about FFL chart?! From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share Share, For the USA, Mars in debilitation in Cancer usually will cause much havoc in a form of hurricanes. The usual victims will those who are living in the Southeastern seaboard and the Gulf states, particularly Louisiana. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Me too! I'm in Mangal Ketu Rahu and had pujas for them all during the night. Maybe why I slept much better, feel so much better. Just ordered a puja for Venus since it rules my chart. Penance?! Serious bananagramming! Maybe the best yagya of all! From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share  Thanks, I was aware, Share. Fun to watch the changes! I think it will just fizzle out everyone's energy and no one will say a word to each other. Probably make us all temporary eunuchs. So get ready for some serious Bananagramings! Go girl! Get on it! I am in the cave, anyways. A new era about to begin and I am starting it off with yagyas and penance during this last week of Shravan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Obbajeeba, Shukra went debilitated on Sunday. According to one jyotish newsletter, that means, and I'm not making this up: hissy fits (-: Mangal goes debilitated soon and then FFL will REALLY be fun (-: From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share  Scary to think a Martyr! Share? Hey, at 7:29, the Jack Herer video, Maharishi is quickly shown. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: (snip) Share, you have Stockholm syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome I think there's more to it than that, but this is certainly an element. I suspect another aspect is the one Ann pointed out last night, addressing Barry: I think you've just created the first martyr at FFL. Just watch. Prescient. In any case, between Barry's treatment of Share (among many others) and Share's apparent reaction, the psychopathology is nothing short of spectacular.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I pity the fool who posts Number 353666.
Me - so what the hell's wrong with 353666? I'm cracking up here - with so much drama going on here you worrying about 353666 - OMG so hilarious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: Not me! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Who dares the numerological risk?
[FairfieldLife] Re: I pity the fool who posts Number 353666.
Goddamnnit...!@#$%^* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Bo! Muhahahahahaha! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Not me! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: Who dares the numerological risk?
Re: [FairfieldLife] An Open Message To Share
Why do you have to be so rude Barry - my aunt Share may have some issues but you need to learn to be gentle. Oh I love the mean girls :-) - they were so much fun - Obba and Ann ( Ann was so hilarious), but yeah my Aunt is basically clueless like you. Ha ha - this is hilarious Barry - she is as delusional as you, no wonder it pissed you off much, really pushed a mirror to your face, didn't she Barry LOL On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:51 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** *SHUT THE FUCK UP* We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [image: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_10151783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Why do you have to be so rude Barry - my aunt Share may have some issues but you need to learn to be gentle. Oh I love the mean girls :-) - they were so much fun - especially Obba and Ann ( Ann was so hilarious today), but yeah my Aunt is basically clueless like you. Ha ha - this is hilarious Barry - she is as delusional as you, no wonder it pissed you off much, really pushed a mirror to your face, didn't she Barry LOL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ \ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
Are you an atheist now Barry? On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:54 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** I know this isn't news to those who've been watching how believers on this forum have been acting since the posting limits were lifted, but for the rest of you: http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-correlation-between-intelligence-and-faith/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Rory corrected
Ah the incredible, intoxicating blend of Rory and Curtis's wisdom and brilliance. It's all about the rapport - you hear you FFL bitches, it's all about rapport, it's all about the feel good factor - come on let's start this from today - Barry, Share, Ravi, Mean girls - you listening? To hell with truth - welcome dishonesty, hypocrisy, all kinds of mood-making masking religious delusional beliefs, fuck authenticity, genuineness. Dawn of a new era on FFL? On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hey, Curtis! Long time! I have been refraining from reading FFL to rest, recuperate, and assimilate, but a friend gave me a heads-up that you had uncloaked with a message that he felt I should read, and a link to it, I just read it and must say I greatly appreciate your clarification -- and no apology needed, my friend. Thank you so much. Yes, to me, rapport is what it's all about, if at all possible. But I have perhaps gotten rather soft from being here in Fairfield, where love is tangibly everywhere. Well, that and not enough exercise, of course. See you around sometime, I hope! All glory to Guru You! ;-) *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Rory: Curtis, of course -- can tell with such utter certainty that my entire spiritual life has been phony. From another post: ...Now it appears you may somewhat agree with Curtis, who saw me as a Neurolinguistic-programming, form-running charlatan. Me: I wanted to drop in to comment on the idea that I think of Rory as a phony or a charlatan. I do not. My view of people who have the kind of experiences that Rory has shared is more nuanced than that. My current perspective involves how our brains communicate within itself, and how some wires get crossed (think synesthesia between senses as an example, hearing colors). My current belief is that this can result in experiencing subjective experiences as if they are as as compelling as our external reality. I am not making a case for this being a defect, because it can be a source for profound creativity. So let's take Rory as charlatan off my table. I believe he is sincere from the limited contact I have had with him. But, just as with Maharishi, that doesn't mean that I hold his epistemological conclusions as valid. I do not. My question is about how we deal with this kind of subjective knowledge. I am skeptical that it provides an insight into reality that bypasses any of our other methods of verification of ideas which may or may not include the methods of science. I rate all our subjective experiences the same as any other hypothesis that needs further study taking into account the human tendency to conflate our enthusiasm for an idea for the likelihood that it is true. We all suck at this as a natural tendency, myself included. As for the language form used, my point concerned the use of language that is coming from a trance state and is meant to shift the state of the listener from sensory based to internal connections based. This is how poetry and hypnosis works. I consider my ability to ride this wave and to generate these waves of language myself to be at the center of my creative ability with language, so it is not a negative on its face. The problems I see comes when we confuse this kind of language with the style we use to convey concrete meaning. That causes problems when the person using this language form claims to be telling us about how reality really is. (I'm looking at you immolated Maharishi.) This type of language was described by Grinder and Bandler the founders of NLP when they did their modeling of the hypnotherapist Milton Erickson and their perspective has influenced my own about how this language form works. The rest comes from my own experiences teaching TM and then doing NLP therapy for people after leaving TM as well as an analysis of my own creative songwriting process. So what is the difference between when Bob Dylan does this and when a spiritual teacher does it? When you ask Bob Dylan what it means he says, I don't know, that is up to you. Figurative language is a launching pad for internal abstract thought. When you ask a spiritual master what he means he might tell you that when you are in his state of consciousness you will fully understand. I reject the many imbedded premises in this statement. Would Rory answer this way? I don't know, I forget most of what I read from him when we were interacting here. My view of spiritual experiences is an evolving one as I gather more data on how our brains function. Most of what I remember about Rory is that he uses a style of reframing language as a type of verbal jiu jitsu. By this I mean when people attack him he refers to them as a part of himself attacking himself. Although I don't doubt this emerges from his internal experiences, it is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Rory corrected
OMG dear Judy why do you ask such uncomfortable questions? Did you not hear the harmonious melody of the wavicle fusing with the brain scan? On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:02 AM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Rory: Curtis, of course -- can tell with such utter certainty that my entire spiritual life has been phony. From another post: ...Now it appears you may somewhat agree with Curtis, who saw me as a Neurolinguistic-programming, form-running charlatan. Me: I wanted to drop in to comment on the idea that I think of Rory as a phony or a charlatan. I do not. My view of people who have the kind of experiences that Rory has shared is more nuanced than that. So you might not agree that the response following this quote from Rory accurately represents your views? If I make a specific appointment with someone to work with them privately, real-time, in person or by phone, then no, not any more; I am sorry! For those who are in Fairfield, I set aside most afternoons to play Bananagrams and to talk with people, and I am generally available then for free if anyone wishes to speak with me there. And we can correspond by email and facebook for free. That must be where you perfected what Curtis called your Neuro-Linguistic Programming robot- speak. Having now experienced it, I cannot help but agree with his description. :-) And then later you say: Another big plus in my mind about Rory is that he values rapport here as I do. I remember our interactions very positively. He came off as willing to interact with someone skeptical about his conclusions about his own experiences. Maharishi certainly was never open to that kind of dialogue and interaction. What about this quote, especially the last two lines? Some people seem to like that sorta thing, especially those who are searching for some guru to Beam me up, Scotty. I don't care for it much, and tend to prefer people who don't speak according to preset formulas. I am NOT suggesting that you *consciously* speak/write this way, BTW, just that you've been doing it so long that you speak/write that way out of habit. Curtis and I have had many offline discussions about this kind of spiritual schtick, and I've learned a lot from his studies of Neuro-Linguistic Programming. But the bottom line is that neither of us sees much benefit in interfacing with a 'bot any more.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Rory corrected
Yeah these Mr. Nice Guys with their schtick of rapport, understanding, exchanging POV's while excusing away dishonesty, hypocrisy always end up creating a toxic environment here. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:28 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** Don't get me wrong, Obba. Curtis Is A Really Really NICE GUY. Nothing personal towards him, at all. He happens to represent a point of view that I consider damaging and short-sighted. I also consider him one of the emotional retards on here. But again, nothing personal. Just stating my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: I know, right? Barry as Edward Mercer, Curtis as Uccello, in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCyAQaRB0iw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCyAQaRB0iw Welcome, Curtis blues man! Hope all is playing well. Peace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Its...its SYNESTHESIA, Dude! (though I could've SWORN Barry told Share to SHUT THE FUCK UP!, this morning, didn't he??). Hmm. Must've been the synesthesia, again... I am sure glad we have The Wisdom Of Science weighing in for us, in all its pristine, and objective, glory!! And what better person to deliver this pristine and objective message, than Curtis!!?? Mock humility and earnestness-ness-ness, at its finest. With Acolyte Barry at his side, the truth will flow forth, freely, and fluidly, from now on!! Yes, Ravi, these are glorious times!! All Hail Curtis and his black tongue! Deep Bow, while I vomit forth my reverence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Ah the incredible, intoxicating blend of Rory and Curtis's wisdom and brilliance. It's all about the rapport - you hear you FFL bitches, it's all about rapport, it's all about the feel good factor - come on let's start this from today - Barry, Share, Ravi, Mean girls - you listening? To hell with truth - welcome dishonesty, hypocrisy, all kinds of mood-making masking religious delusional beliefs, fuck authenticity, genuineness. Dawn of a new era on FFL? On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: ** Hey, Curtis! Long time! I have been refraining from reading FFL to rest, recuperate, and assimilate, but a friend gave me a heads-up that you had uncloaked with a message that he felt I should read, and a link to it, I just read it and must say I greatly appreciate your clarification -- and no apology needed, my friend. Thank you so much. Yes, to me, rapport is what it's all about, if at all possible. But I have perhaps gotten rather soft from being here in Fairfield, where love is tangibly everywhere. Well, that and not enough exercise, of course. See you around sometime, I hope! All glory to Guru You! ;-) *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote: Rory: Curtis, of course -- can tell with such utter certainty that my entire spiritual life has been phony. From another post: ...Now it appears you may somewhat agree with Curtis, who saw me as a Neurolinguistic-programming, form-running charlatan. Me: I wanted to drop in to comment on the idea that I think of Rory as a phony or a charlatan. I do not. My view of people who have the kind of experiences that Rory has shared is more nuanced than that. My current perspective involves how our brains communicate within itself, and how some wires get crossed (think synesthesia between senses as an example, hearing colors). My current belief is that this can result in experiencing subjective experiences as if they are as as compelling as our external reality. I am not making a case for this being a defect, because it can be a source for profound creativity. So let's take Rory as charlatan off my table. I believe he is sincere from the limited contact I have had with him. But, just as with Maharishi, that doesn't mean that I hold his epistemological conclusions as valid. I do not. My question is about how we deal with this kind of subjective knowledge. I am skeptical that it provides an insight into reality that bypasses any of our other methods of verification of ideas which may or may not include the methods of science. I rate all our subjective experiences the same as any other hypothesis that needs further study taking into account the human tendency to conflate our enthusiasm for an idea for the likelihood that it is true. We all suck at this as a natural tendency, myself included. As for the language form
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Declarative Voice
Me, I don't know shit. The philosophy of Uncle Tantra(um) :-). Hey wait a minute - isn't that a declarative sentence - Judy help !!! On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** Have you ever noticed that some people, when writing or speaking, seem to prefer what linguists categorize as the declarative voice? That's when someone declares something, as if the fact that they wrote or said it renders it Truth. They know it's Truth, of course, because they just know these kinds of things. Me, I don't know shit. What a relief. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Declarative Voice
Oh this was hilarious (and informational) Judy. I think in my previous post I covered all four LOL Me, I don't know shit. The philosophy of Uncle Tantra(um) :-) (declarative). Hey wait a minute (exclamatory)- isn't that a declarative sentence (interrogative) - Judy help (imperative) !!! On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Have you ever noticed that some people, when writing or speaking, seem to prefer what linguists categorize as the declarative voice? Actually, virtually everyone who speaks English prefers declarative sentences. Like these two, for instance: That's when someone declares something, as if the fact that they wrote or said it renders it Truth. They know it's Truth, of course, because they just know these kinds of things. The significant majority of English sentences are declarative. The sentence at the top is interrogative (asks a question) (although the question mark should be outside the close quote). The other two types are imperative (a command, like SHUT THE FUCK UP) and exclamatory (She drives me crazy!). These categories are a widely known feature of English, familiar to teachers, grammarians, writers of all kinds, editors, anyone who deals with language--by no means just linguists.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Credit given where credit is do
Yes Obba - thank you for opening your heart like this, it was so touching. I understand you, I dig you - you want to feel peaceful and equanimous once in a while, fair enough. No worries dear, we may be mean but we are very generous and understanding, we know you get tired of the unbounded exhilaration of our unconditioned meanness. Yeah it can be too stimulating. Tell you what - 10 days in a month you go hang out with the Rory's and Curtis's and we will welcome you back with open arms once you get tired of the inauthentic, superficial bullshit, which you will - trust me. But it's OK you go have fun, just relax, recharge and come back - OK? On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:45 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** It took Mike Dixon to point out the simplest thought of,Can't we all get along. This brought about feelings of gratitude. Then someone in my household said something to me, not long after reading Mike's post comment. The someone said, Who was most supportive to us when things were down? A few names popped up and also, the meditating community, generally speaking. It doesn't matter who or what we learned from who or what we thought of as teachers, gurus, idols, passerby's and driveby's. Regardless of the names of organizations, etc., whether it be in our (my household) case, The Maharishi, and all those who flowed in and out of Saintville for and with many other Gurus (I am being purposely repetitious here, bare with me.), we are absolutely grateful for anyone who has reached their hands out to drag us up. So all you peeps, whoever you are, this is an awfully awesome bunch of folks here at FF and FFL and all the tentacles reaching around the world. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to us all. -Obba Now, can I go back to bashing someone in a polite and mean streaked way?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Dear Share, This is insane - the lengths you have gone to support Barry's sadistic rant. It's not the facts that we are talking about - your amount of posts, even I talked about you being unhinged - it is the violence, the sadism in his post. He clearly has deep wounds related to TM, I don't know his personal story - the level of sadism in his posts reveals some intimate, personal wounds related to his involvement with TM and I have no clue what they are and his post was very revealing in that regard - as in this man, Barry has some very personal, emotional investment in his opposition to TM (contrast that to someone like MJ who appears very benign). And that man later posts that his philosophy is of Me, I don't give a shit - hilarious and sickening. If he doesn't give a shit why such violent way of expressing his displeasure? Steve and Susan are nice and they come across as really stupid in their support of Barry. Let's see what Steve and Susan have to say about Barry's post. Curtis and Xeno OTOH are not - there's a devious quality to their support, they have their personal agenda, self-interest in their support of Barry. It amounts to nothing - several posters here have time and again questioned these posters for their support of Barry and none of them could come up with anything convincing. If this is what you have in Barry's support it is indeed pathetic and shocking. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Doc, thank you. Susan is also friendly towards turq as are several including but not limited to Steve and Curtis and Xeno, sort of. Anyway, as I replied to Emily long ago, what I mean by psychological rape is when someone attributes thoughts and feelings to me that I'm not having. turq doesn't do that. I guess what turq said should bother me. But he has told me to STFU before! He has called me an idiot before and the worst kind of TBer, attention seeker, etc. So nothing new really. And maybe he was shocked by how much I posted. I was too! Anyway, it's just turq being turq. BTW, I don't think of us as friends or allies or anything like that. We both like the Minion movies. That's about the extent of what we have in common. I come to his defense when people gang up on him. But I would do that for anyone because it is a pet peeve of mine. And he has been supportive of me when I have been ganged up on. That has meant a lot. Anyway, I hope he has a great vacation. And shall we let the river flow on? -- *From:* doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:53 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share Assuming Barry has everything all tidied up at home, as he often assures us he does, and given that he basically lost control of his bowels today, Tuesday, indicates that he probably got humiliated in a meeting at work, or works for someone who makes his life miserable, or both. Or maybe it was just another dateless weekend...who really knows, except that there WAS some sort of trigger event... Barry is like a powder keg on here, compulsively scanning his spreadsheets, obsessively tracking who said what, and in direct competition with that persona, he must maintain the uber-cool, global AND glacial, Uncle Tantra image. Feels like sandpaper inside him, though, the itch he cannot scratch, until he finds a target, no matter how inappropriate. He violates all of his public boundaries, for his release - He Just Has To Let It OUT. And while he is at it, why not kill two birds, with a single stone? After all, Share considers him to be the big brother she never had, and is the only one here who consistently treats him in a friendly way. But this, remember, is Barry The Magnificent, liver in of foreign countries, who has screwed more women than any of us can count, and is practically on a first name basis with Anybody Who Really Matters. So, he thought about the pros, and cons, of keeping Share around. Ally, or simply an embarrassment? Pretty obvious what Barry's choice was: SHUT THE FUCK UP [Share] We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough... BTW, Share, I think you have an EXCELLENT case for psychological rape, now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: The 'mean girls' trying to 'get' you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion... So if the mean girls wanted to stop trying to get Share and exercise compassion toward her instead, we should strive to emulate Barry, as he has modeled compassion for us in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: The party continues...and parties need music... Bringing you da freshest! This one is dedicated to Rory, who is truly one of my BFFs, even if I may agree to disagree with him on the protocol for handling dipsticks. Tuning Into Vedic Radio (3:30) https://app.box.com/s/2hx2rylk73cy5vi8p1ot copyright Temple Dog 2013 Well then, Rory is blessed with a good friend in you, Doc. From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Now I'll listen to your song, and thank you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
In any case, between Barry's treatment of Share (among many others) and Share's apparent reaction, the psychopathology is nothing short of spectacular. Thank you for stating this. I have been repeating this ad nauseam, the behavior of Barry and Share is extremely abnormal and pathological, they are attention seekers, they need serious therapy/medication and this why I have such strong objection to people who enable Barry and Share. It is just unconscionable - the enablers seem to fall into 3 categories. People who just don't fucking care - the majority 1100+, people who care but are extremely unperceptive though nice people - the likes of Steve, Feste, Susan and people who are wrapped in their self-interest to the degree of being toxic and devious (We both know who they are don't we). Oh heck wait - there's a new category the spiritual teacher wannabe's like Rory who has this philosophy of look inwards, integrate wavicles than address Barry's behavior (because it makes him the compassionate, peaceful equanimous teacher). On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:34 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: (snip) Share, you have Stockholm syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome I think there's more to it than that, but this is certainly an element. I suspect another aspect is the one Ann pointed out last night, addressing Barry: I think you've just created the first martyr at FFL. Just watch. Prescient. In any case, between Barry's treatment of Share (among many others) and Share's apparent reaction, the psychopathology is nothing short of spectacular.
