Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture
Couldn't agree with you more. I tell people that my primary form of interior decoration is organic. On 11/26/2012 11:19 AM, Kathryn Green wrote: Hey! Just like my front door sign says: If you get upset about cat and dog hair on my furniture please go back home and 'visit' me by phone. All my furniture has pet hair on it. That's why it's called FUR-niture! Kat Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com mailto:moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, when I find that my cats don't match the furniture, I throw out the furniture. That's it! Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! *From:* dlg...@windstream.net mailto:dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net mailto:dlg...@windstream.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, November 25, 2012 4:30 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture I have quarry tile floor except in bedrooms, they are wood. Furniture is covered in sheets of various colors which can be taken off when company comes. The color scheme in living room varies from sheet washing day to sheet washing day. I figure that if people know me, they understand. Others don't have to come to my house if it upsets them. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com mailto:felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I've heard of this... People who want to get rid of a cat because the fur doesn't match the furniture.. Geez. I have my furniture covered in multicolored velour upholstery, and my rugs, are all oriental design. The design really hides the fur, and the soft velvet upholstery is not what cats like to claw. It works, and I have a bunch of cats of all sizes, shapes and colors including three long haired cats who really leave a lot of fur around! There are ways to live with multiple cats and still have a nice home, but too many people use fur as an excuse to dump their pets. Lorrie On 11-02, Lee Evans wrote: This actually happened to me when I was answering our hotline for VOICE For Animals. A woman called asking if we could take an orange cat. I asked her why. What she said was that she had purchased a white sofa and the cat was getting orange fur all over it. She said she would be willing to take a white cat in exchange. She had had the orange cat for 2 years, had come into some money recently and was buying new living room furniture. I finally talked her out of dumping her cat on us by telling her about the sticky roller product for removing lint and hair from things. I also told her that she should purchase a multicolored sofa cover to keep the sofa covered for general use and whisk off the cover when company arrives. She was delighted with the ideas. I should write a book on how to color coordinate your rooms with your cats and dogs and how to color coordinate your daily work outfits with a shedding pet. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
It's a breed. Looks almost black but in the light can see that fur is dark dark brown. Small cat with wonderful personality. Probably has some Burmese. On 11/1/2012 7:17 PM, Kathryn Green wrote: Bombay kitty? What does that mean? K ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Retesting
Oh m'god, I hope so! On 7/31/2011 10:51 AM, Natalie wrote: My assumption would be that the first ELISA was a false positive. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 10:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Retesting Miss Nora, the FeLeuk kitty we got adopted here in Spring Green, is due for retesting. In late May she tested positive on the Elisa then in the first week of June, she tested negative on the IFA. It's my understanding that she should be re-tested 45 - 60 days after later. Would that be the Elisa or the IFA or both? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Retesting
She's about 6 months now. On 7/31/2011 7:34 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: That time-line is about right. Some vets will say 90 days. If the Elisa is positive again, then do another IFA. If you get a negative again on the IFA, then you will have to repeat again. Of course if the ELISA is negative, there is no need to to another IFA (which means she cleared the virus). How old is Miss Nora? Good luck!! L - Original Message - From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 9:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Retesting Miss Nora, the FeLeuk kitty we got adopted here in Spring Green, is due for retesting. In late May she tested positive on the Elisa then in the first week of June, she tested negative on the IFA. It's my understanding that she should be re-tested 45 - 60 days after later. Would that be the Elisa or the IFA or both? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Retesting
Miss Nora, the FeLeuk kitty we got adopted here in Spring Green, is due for retesting. In late May she tested positive on the Elisa then in the first week of June, she tested negative on the IFA. It's my understanding that she should be re-tested 45 - 60 days after later. Would that be the Elisa or the IFA or both? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty
Actually, my error, it's MaxCAL! I have found both A/D MaxCal to be feedable straight from the can via finger feeding or spoon feeding. On 6/26/2011 7:31 AM, Sharyl wrote: MaxCat would need to be blenderized with a liquid to be syringe-able. You may also need to strain it 1st but the added calories is worth the effort. For more info you could join the Yahoo Assist Feeding group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Sharyl From: Lynda Wilsonlonghornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty Yes, but is it a soft canned food (like pudding, cat's usually love it) that she could syringe into his mouth if he won't eat? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] VooDoo's Home
Totally divine wonderful!! On 6/25/2011 7:52 AM, Melinda Kerr wrote: OK, so who says miracles and divine intervention do not exist? After a couple of hours in the very hot sun, I found evidence that maybe VooDoo was alive and close by. Then, I discovered that the police now have a NO trapping policy. I went to my Japanese vet to see if he could find a trap. He was going to call the city on Monday. So, back to being a little stressed, feeling as though my best hope was gone. A couple of hours later, a very short, but really hard rain came and I was once again concerned because I thought he was hiding in a drain pipe. As soon as the rain ended, I went to the back door and called out asking him to come home. What do you know, he answered me with his crazy, whiny cry. After a few minutes of trying to coax him into the house, I decided that he was either trapped or hurt. I called to him and he continued to call back. Once I located him hiding under a tree, I belly crawled on the wet ground to where he was. I reached under, in the dark, expecting the worst. However, he let me grab him and pull him out. So, 48 hours after going missing, my baby is home safe and sound. We will be watching closely for sniffles and signs of fever! Thank you all for your advice and positive vibes. I truly believe that they worked. Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty
Eukanaba MaxCat would be even better. It has way more calories than A/D. On 6/25/2011 10:02 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: You're doing a great job! Hang in there!! Get some Science Diet A/D for him on Monday, it will have all the fat and taurine he needs. Thoughts and prayers to you both! Lynda - Original Message - From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty Sara, Thanks, he is one of my original cats That was exposed ot FeLV. He tested neg got vacinated once after. Last exposure was in 2008 when Junior passed away. I do not think he is positive, but there is that chance. He also has one eye dilated more than the other. He does seem aware. I got abourt half the baby food in him. I may try more before bedtime. He wet himself in the carrier and will not be able to use a litterbox right now. I hope he will stay on the towels he climbed out of a box, so I gave up that on idea. The other cats have left him alone. He was the alpha kitty and like to chnce them. SAlly On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.comwrote: Keeping you in my prayers, Sally. Sara --Original Mail-- From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 18:05:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty they ruled that out. He is home but not doing well. They think he had a mini stroke. Sally On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I was just thinking, could Bitty possibly have a blood clot where the veins go into each hind leg? Not being able to move, crying sounds very much what I have experienced several times. All except once, was the cat euthanized. Why? Because I took the cats to an emergency clinic (evenings, weekends). The last cat that had a blood clot, was taken to our vet who treated the clot to dissolve - the cat, Corgi, has a limp in one of the hind legs as a result. Some cats are in pain from such a blood clot, others are not. Corgi was a feral cat - I found him one morning not being able to move, trying to get away with his front legs. I cornered him, threw a towel over him and the rest is history. Because I head to treat him, he is the sweetest cat, all the cats absolutely love him, snuggle with him, almost consider him their parent.he washes them all and they reciprocate. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bitty SallyI am so sorry to hear about Bitty. My prayers are with you . Sara --Original Mail-- From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:16:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] VooDoo is missing Melinda I will be praying for VooDoo's return. My ittle Bitty is at the Vet now because I found him unable to move and crying. He may not make it through the night. Possble stroke, nuerological issue they did lots of tests. He is not in pain but his mind is not here either. Please pray for my lover boy he is 12. Thanks all On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: Hello all, It is with a very heavy heart that I am asking for some positive energy from this group! My son's friend left a door open last night and my little VooDoo escaped. He is terrified of being outdoors and all attempts to capture him only scared him more! We live on a military base and there are no wild animals to worry about and the speed limit on base is extremely slow. My greatest concern is that around 2:00am, he tried to come home and we absolutely scared him to death trying to get him to bring him inside. (He hasn't been out since he came to us as a five week old kitten) I'm worried that he might be afraid to come home. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk
[Felvtalk] Significance of IFA negative test after Elisa postive
I have been wondering where everyone has been for the past week or more. Got me really worried as I've come to depend on you all. Anyway as some of you may know, Sabirna, now re-named Eleanor to Miss Nora, is in her new permanent home everyone is in l ove with her she is doing well. She is somewhere under a year old, spayed recently in good health. A lilac point Siamese. Beautiful wonderful cuddly happy girl. She was positive on the Elisa snap test about a month ago then shortly thereafter negative on the IFA. Just what does this mean? I am getting all kinds of conflicting reports. Some on the way positive side say that she is ok from now on, which I don't put too much faith in. Others, say, further testing in 6-8 weeks is needed, specifically the Elisa test but done in a lab another IFA. I am inclined to think that that is what will indicate where she is at. Please do give me some input. I don't know where else I can go to get up to date information on this disease. Pam in Wisconsin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] resend of NY kitty in need
Can she not keep him separate from the others? The virus is so short-lived once shed from the body. Others are keeping FelineLeuk kitties in their homes but in rooms apart from the other populations. Where is she? Pam On 6/23/2011 3:58 PM, TANYA NOE wrote: Please see the attached link to Eli, he was rescued from the NYC kill shelter but has tested positive for FeLV. The rescue person who saved his life desperately wanted to keep him for herself as she has fallen hard for him but since he is pos and she has so many rescue kittens in and out of her home she can't keep him. She is looking for someone who would be willing to give this wonderfully sweet little guy a forever home. Here is her little info write up in him: Elijahlove at first sight ♥ You would never know with the way this 2 year old boy recovered from a horrible URI that he is FeLV positive (confirmed via SNAP IFA). He is now healthy, neutered, and had 2 bad teeth removed. Elijah is an old soul, and when he looks at you, he reaches in and touches your heart. He is affectionate, gentle, and wants to know love more than anything. He has beautiful aquamarine eyes, and seems to be a Turkish angora mix with the chocolate coloring of a Havana Brown. Elijah was rescued from NYCACC and is now in search of the purrrfect forever home. Please contact me at asbkitty...@gmail.com. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1873904920391set=a.1433439389028.2056334.1024201982type=1theater Please share this with anyone you know that may want to love this angel. Thank you, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Significance of IFA negative test after Elisa postive
Ok, thank you Lynda, I surely appreciate this! She is so lucky to that found this wonderful family. They just adore her. On 6/23/2011 9:31 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Pam, She should be tested again on the ELISA in 8 or even 12 weeks to give her time to clear the virus if the test was a true positive. Don't do another IFA unless the ELISA is positive again. Waiting 8-12 weeks to do another ELISA test will give her time to clear the virus. I hope this helps. It sure is good news that the IFA is negative. Also, so happy Eleanor is doing so well in her new home :0) Lynda - Original Message - From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:04 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Significance of IFA negative test after Elisa postive I have been wondering where everyone has been for the past week or more. Got me really worried as I've come to depend on you all. Anyway as some of you may know, Sabirna, now re-named Eleanor to Miss Nora, is in her new permanent home everyone is in l ove with her she is doing well. She is somewhere under a year old, spayed recently in good health. A lilac point Siamese. Beautiful wonderful cuddly happy girl. She was positive on the Elisa snap test about a month ago then shortly thereafter negative on the IFA. Just what does this mean? I am getting all kinds of conflicting reports. Some on the way positive side say that she is ok from now on, which I don't put too much faith in. Others, say, further testing in 6-8 weeks is needed, specifically the Elisa test but done in a lab another IFA. I am inclined to think that that is what will indicate where she is at. Please do give me some input. I don't know where else I can go to get up to date information on this disease. Pam in Wisconsin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Elisa/IFA clarification
This doesn't seem to deal at all with the significance of a negative IFA test after a positive Elisa. It only refers to a positive IFA test. On 6/15/2011 3:32 PM, Natalie wrote: Interesting flow chart! A good one to print and keep! I posted this recently; it also helps to understand the difference between ELISA and IFA.\ http://www.natural-cat-health-remedies.com/feline-leukemia-test.html Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Elisa/IFA clarification There has been a lot of posts on this subject. This is the link to a flow chart showing what to do when you get a test result. http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html It also states when to retest and what test to do. I've found it very helpful. Sharyl From: Barb Moermondmr_mok...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Elisa/IFA clarification I asked my vets for clarification on the significance of these two tests and here is their response. Here is the information from the Cornell University website about Feline Leukemia stages and testing. If you would like more information, you can go to their link athttp://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/felv.html I understand there are two stages of FeLV infection. What are they? FeLV is present in the blood (a condition called viremia) during two different stages of infection: · Primary viremia, an early stage of virus infection. During this stage some cats are able to mount an effective immune response, eliminate the virus from the bloodstream, and halt progression to the secondary viremia stage. · Secondary viremia, a later stage characterized by persistent infection of the bone marrow and other tissue. If FeLV infection progresses to this stage it has passed a point of no return: the overwhelming majority of cats with secondary viremia will be infected for the remainder of their lives. How is infection diagnosed? Two types of FeLV blood tests are in common use. Both detect a protein component of the virus as it circulates in the bloodstream. · ELISA (enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay) and similar tests can be performed in your veterinarian's office. ELISA-type tests detect both primary and secondary stages of viremia. · IFA (indirect immunofluorescent antibody assay) tests must be sent out to a diagnostic laboratory. IFA tests detect secondary viremia only, so the majority of positive-testing cats remain infected for life. Each testing method has strengths and weaknesses. Your veterinarian will likely suggest an ELISA-type test first, but in some cases, both tests must be performed—and perhaps repeated—to clarify a cat's true infection status. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Update on Sabrina/Eleanor
Resending. *** We picked her up on Sunday at the sanctuary she is now in her new home! Meanwhile this past week, the results of the IFA test came back - NEGATIVE! YAY! Her Elisa snap test about a bit ago was positive. As I understand it, the next test in about 30-60 days should be an Elisa lab test then another IFA. Is this correct? While we were at the sanctuary, the family also fell in love with another Siamese, Coco, in the FeLeuk room. That kitty has tested positive on the snap test but has never had an IFA. The sanctuary owner wanted them to have her too but I said NO. We don't know her status well enough. Sending her home with Eleanor would be entirely too risky for Eleanor at this point. I told her to get Coco IFA tested at least. So I have two questions: 1. At this point Eleanor has tested positive on the Elisa snap test negative shortly thereafter on the IFA test. Just what does this mean for her what should be next? 2. Am I right in refusing to let Coco come with Eleanor? Is there any possibility that she could at some point, IF she tested negative on the IFA? Please do tell me what to do at this point. My first concern is for Eleanor. Incidentally Coco has NOT been in the FeLeuk room up there very much since the other cats don't like her, so she has been pretty much isolated from them Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise
I had a wonderful cat years ago who was not FeLeuk+, but died from lymphocytic leukemia. On 6/14/2011 8:05 AM, Natalie wrote: It does, but there's also leukemia (more like the human leukemia). Our cat was NOT FeLV+, but had leukemia. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise I thought FeLV stood for Feline Leukemia Virus - Original Message - From: Natalieat...@optonline.net To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise Leukemia or FeLV? I had a cat that had leukemia (not FeLV) and she died very quickly - we had no idea when it started...she began feeling tired, then got a low-grade fever -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Esther Jorda Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise Xana, my baby is now 2,5 yo. I suspect she developped leukemia, although the vet is not 100% sure. She is now with antibiotics. She had fever, convulsions, ataxia... Blood work shows anaemia, hematocrit 25%. white cells were highly increased. Toxoplasma vas positive to igg( 1/10), (igm negative, 1/10). About Felv the vet suggest to put her under omega interferon orally, at low dose... dayly for at least 3 months. I am asking about side effects... can you give us some advise?? -- Esther = ^..^ = adopta a Graciahttp://globaldefensagats.blogspot.com/search/label/1.3.Adoptar%20en%2 0Graciahttp://globaldefensagats.blogspot.com/2010/09/adoptar-en-gracia.htm l ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats
I'm in Spring Green! It is good to know that the CCC can work with FeLeuk kitties, altho I have a good vet nearby in Dodgeville. Do they use any holistic treatments? On 6/11/2011 9:22 PM, Barb Moermond wrote: I'm in Madison and use Cat Care Clinic. Both of the vets there are members of AAFP [www.catvets.com] and are both good with my babies. I've been going there since Ninja was diagnosed FeLV+ and suffering from seizures etc. So, I've been going to them since 1998 and still love them. If you look at catvets.com, you will be able to find other vet members by ZIP code. There are other members at other clinics here in the area, but I like the fact that CCC is cats only and they know my babies. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+Miss Lilly Bird+Angel BanditNo My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 9:57:02 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets? I talked to a wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina) his first recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then said that this would probably not be necessary as long as she is asymptomatic. That regular blood work, every 6 months, would be the main requirement. Certainly hope that is the case as just a couple of visits to UW would be well over $1000! I would like to combine the services of a good regular vet, which I think I have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot of FeLeuk kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all non-specializing vets, I would think, with those of a holistic vet as well. Do any of you do that? Are any of you in Wisconsin? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Update Sabrina/Eleanor
We picked her up today at the sanctuary she is now in her new home! Meanwhile this past week, the results of the IFA test came back - NEGATIVE! Her Elisa snap test about a bit ago was positive. As I understand it, the next test in about 30-60 days should be an Elisa lab test then another IFA. Is this correct? While we were at the sanctuary, the family also fell in love with another Siamese, Coco, in the FeLeuk room. That kitty has tested positive on the snap test but has never had an IFA. The sanctuary owner wanted them to have her too but I said NO. We don't know her status well enough. Sending her home with Eleanor would be entirely too risky for Eleanor at this point. I told her to get Coco IFA tested at least. So I have two questions: 1. At this point Eleanor has tested positive on the Elisa snap test negative shortly thereafter on the IFA test. Just what does this mean for her what should be next? 2. Am I right in refusing to let Coco come with Eleanor? Is there any possibility that she could at some point if so, what would it take? Please do tell me what to do at this point. My first concern is for Eleanor. Incidentally Coco has NOT been in the FeLeuk room up there very much since the other cats don't like her, so she has been pretty much isolated from them Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Beth/ Vets for Felv cats
I need to get some more info on LCTI. Can you help? On 6/10/2011 11:04 PM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote: We have a wonderful holistic-friendly vet who makes house calls. She works in conjunction with our brick and mortar vet for blood work, tests, etc. when necessary. Now that we have lost our two FeLV+ angels, she takes care of our new babies. The house call vet was the one that got us hooked up with LTCI. I'm certain Taj and Rani wouldn't have lasted as long as they did without the LTCI. Both eventually succumbed to lymphomas of different types. Brother and sister. We will always miss them. I don't think it's necessary to have a specialized vet...just a vet who is special and willing to listen. Sara --Original Mail-- From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets? I talked to a wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina) his first recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then said that this would probably not be necessary as long as she is asymptomatic. That regular blood work, every 6 months, would be the main requirement. Certainly hope that is the case as just a couple of visits to UW would be well over $1000! I would like to combine the services of a good regular vet, which I think I have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot of FeLeuk kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all non-specializing vets, I would think, with those of a holistic vet as well. Do any of you do that? Are any of you in Wisconsin? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats
Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets? I talked to a wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina) his first recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then said that this would probably not be necessary as long as she is asymptomatic. That regular blood work, every 6 months, would be the main requirement. Certainly hope that is the case as just a couple of visits to UW would be well over $1000! I would like to combine the services of a good regular vet, which I think I have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot of FeLeuk kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all non-specializing vets, I would think, with those of a holistic vet as well. Do any of you do that? Are any of you in Wisconsin? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor
I need suggestions as to the right/best food for Miss Eleanor as well as supplements. We are going to be picking her up on Sunday! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor
I need suggestions as to the right/best food for Miss Ealeanor as well as supplements. We are going to be picking her up on Sunday! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Another Ching update
She pulled her tube out this morning so I guess she's sending us a message. Anyway it's gone! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor
How much CoQ10 vitamin C re the latter in what form? And how much apple cider vinegar in water? On 6/8/2011 12:19 PM, Natalie wrote: I assume that she is FeLV+? I took my two FeLV+ boyz to the vet on Monday for IFA test - we are ecstatic (so was the vet)that their gums and teeth are in excellent shape, especially since they are FeLV+ and over 4 yrs old. I believe it's because we give all FIV/FeLV cats in this household nothing but regular food, CoQ10, some Vitamin C, apple cider vinegar in water, and Nickers Biocoat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor I supplement my cats' Blue Buffalo kibble with cooked pieces of meat (chicken/pork/beef/turkey). That's all I do for mine right now. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net wrote: I need suggestions as to the right/best food for Miss Eleanor as well as supplements. We are going to be picking her up on Sunday! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor
Now THAT is worth trying! On 6/8/2011 1:16 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: If you drink Apple Cider Vinegar (1 tsp in your water) every day it helps keep mosquitos off of you! On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Natalieat...@optonline.net wrote: I just wrote about CoQ10 dosage. Apple cider vinegar, start with a drop or two in water, slowly build up to more over time. AC Vinegar is a miracle food! I hate plain water, so I always put a dash of ACV into the bottle - great thirst quencher and great for arthritis and so much more -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor How much CoQ10 vitamin C re the latter in what form? And how much apple cider vinegar in water? On 6/8/2011 12:19 PM, Natalie wrote: I assume that she is FeLV+? I took my two FeLV+ boyz to the vet on Monday for IFA test - we are ecstatic (so was the vet)that their gums and teeth are in excellent shape, especially since they are FeLV+ and over 4 yrs old. I believe it's because we give all FIV/FeLV cats in this household nothing but regular food, CoQ10, some Vitamin C, apple cider vinegar in water, and Nickers Biocoat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor I supplement my cats' Blue Buffalo kibble with cooked pieces of meat (chicken/pork/beef/turkey). That's all I do for mine right now. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net wrote: I need suggestions as to the right/best food for Miss Eleanor as well as supplements. We are going to be picking her up on Sunday! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Aggie to the CLS
I am so sorry. Pam On 6/7/2011 4:18 PM, Andy Domek wrote: Hi all, I know I haven't posted in awhile, but I wanted to offer an update to those of you who followed our story with our little bundle of spunk, Aggie. We helped Aggie cross over this morning, and it was one of the hardest things I've had to do. It was also the right thing to do. Her anemia caused her to gasp for air since yesterday evening, and she was starting to involuntarily shake, could no longer walk, make it to the litter box, and could barely raise her head to watch the lizards running around our patio. She was my little valiant fighter for 7 years, but ultimately FELV took her from me. We tried everything short of a transfusion, and it just wasn't enough. I firmly believe that LTCI bought us about a year of good quality time. Her bloodwork was taking a VERY marked decline last June, and LTCI reversed it. Unfortunately, FELV is a tough nut to crack and there was only so much we could do. It was very peaceful, she just went to sleep while we sang her song to her , and told her what a blessing she has been in our life. If love could heal, she'd have been the healthiest cat ever. But right now, she's not in any pain, no more seizures, no more force feeding, no more shots, and only peace. There is a void in my home, and my heart right now. But I am so, so thankful to have had her at all. I didn't even like cats before I met her, and now I'm a sucker for them! Thank you for your advice, your collective knowledge, and more importantly, for the kindness you show to everyone who is dealing with this nasty disease. Peace to all of you, and good luck on your journeys with your beloved fuzzbuckets. Andy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] LCTI
Could someone please tell me what LCTI is? I am needing to learn as much as possible at maintaining a FeLeuk teenager at optimum health for absolutely as long as possible! Miss Eleanor needs all the help I can get for her! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI
Thank you so much, Andy! On 6/7/2011 4:58 PM, Andy Domek wrote: Hi Pam, LTCI is short for lymphocyte t-cell immune modulator. It is supposed to increase the body's production of t-cells, the killer cells who fight viruses. It ain't cheap, but it worked for us when we needed it last summer and I believe it bought us some good quality time with Aggie. We started it when her WBCs were in decline, and after a brief, expected dip--all levels went into the normal range. I don't know if it will work for everyone, but I sure loved my last year with my Aggie cat that I believe LTCI gave to us. More information is available on this site: http://tcyte.com/ Andy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI
Oh, sorry, where did you get it? On 6/7/2011 4:58 PM, Andy Domek wrote: Hi Pam, LTCI is short for lymphocyte t-cell immune modulator. It is supposed to increase the body's production of t-cells, the killer cells who fight viruses. It ain't cheap, but it worked for us when we needed it last summer and I believe it bought us some good quality time with Aggie. We started it when her WBCs were in decline, and after a brief, expected dip--all levels went into the normal range. I don't know if it will work for everyone, but I sure loved my last year with my Aggie cat that I believe LTCI gave to us. More information is available on this site: http://tcyte.com/ Andy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet
Sabrina in one lucky girl. We had originally hoped prayed we could find someone who would give her a temporary room for the period of time needed for testing to determine whether she could beat this thing. We sent out SO many emails talked to SO many people. Contacted all the networks we with. But over the weekend, the golden goose flew over laid the proverbial egg on us. Not only does Sabrina get a room, she gets a home! This is a young couple who live in Spring Green, WI, where Mew Haven I am. The woman is the daughter of one of my good friends a nicer, more warm family could never be asked for. They had two Siamese cats that they lost last year so Shelley asked a lot of questions about Sabrina about the disease. I told her everything I knew which i s what I posted here initially. That Sabrina might not live long but on the other hand with good care a stress free environment, she might beat it live a long healthy life. Or she might just be a carrier live many years. I pointed out that there are no guarantees with any pets that there are FeLeuk kitties that live longer than non-FeLeuk kitties. Shelley's Mark's girls are 13 16. Both Shelley Mark love cats so do the girls but it was the girls' decision because losing their Siamese last year had been very hard on them. I was absolutely fine with that told Shelley to tell the girls that it is possible that they might have to say goodbye sooner than they want but on the other hand this is a chance for both of them to play a huge role in the life of one little special needs cat. And as it turns out, it's what they want to do! They are both very excited. And as Vicki, Shelley's mom told me, there could not possibly be a kitty who will be loved more than Sabrina will be. But listen to THIS! The girls wanted to know if it would be ok if they changed her name to Eleanor. For Eleanor Roosevelt who was such a strong woman! Do these kids get it or not?!! They do!I am so grateful. Sabrina/Eleanor is being spayed this week will have her IFA done. My friend who works MH with me I will drive up get Eleanor a week from today. So far so beautifully good! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet
Was he FeLeuk? I'm guessing not. On 6/6/2011 6:15 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: I had a 30 pounder and he was close to 4 ft long, which I hate to admit, but he had an eating disorder. He ate bath tissue, facial tissue, licked plastic bags. If you still did not feed him, he tossed his stomach bile. He would scratch at our brand new king mattress and keep us up at night if we did not feed him. We used the squirt bottle so much that he just started sitting there with his eyes slammed shut and just let us squirt him. We also tried feeding him the Purina OM diet (this was 10+ yrs ago) and he did not eat enough of it (I also had another cat at the time) and then he had liver problems. We put him back on his previous food. I used a diff vet then but he told me just let him be fat and happy, we did. He lived to be 16 1/2 yrs. We still miss him!!! He's been gone for 5 yrs :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet Diet? Easy - Eliot Spitty is not a big eater, and I will just restrict the bowl of dry food that Mr. Tux loves to munch on in addition to their allotted 1/2 can each. I could hardly pick up his carrier - a lightweight soft one. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 5:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet Now, now.commenting on a cat's figure is considered very rudejust ask Mr. Tux : Let me know how you get one cat to diet when the other isn't. On Jun 6, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Natalie wrote: Geat news! Speaking of IFA, I just came back from the vet and had my two boyz (Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux) retested...I am keeping my fingers crossed. Both are in super health, I am especially happy that their gums and teeth are in great shape! Mr. Tux is a bit overweight, but you'd never know just looking at him - he's pear-shaped - 15 lbs. He has to go on a diet! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 5:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet That's absolutely wonderful news! What a great story and such a wonderful family with great teenagers. I bet Eleanor will have a fabulous life. I hope she will be IFA negative. That would be a blessing. Thanks for the update and let us know the results of the test :) I'm doing the happy dance for Eleanor!!! - Original Message - From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 3:11 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet Sabrina in one lucky girl. We had originally hoped prayed we could find someone who would give her a temporary room for the period of time needed for testing to determine whether she could beat this thing. We sent out SO many emails talked to SO many people. Contacted all the networks we with. But over the weekend, the golden goose flew over laid the proverbial egg on us. Not only does Sabrina get a room, she gets a home! This is a young couple who live in Spring Green, WI, where Mew Haven I am. The woman is the daughter of one of my good friends a nicer, more warm family could never be asked for. They had two Siamese cats that they lost last year so Shelley asked a lot of questions about Sabrina about the disease. I told her everything I knew which i s what I posted here initially. That Sabrina might not live long but on the other hand with good care a stress free environment, she might beat it live a long healthy life. Or she might just be a carrier live many years. I pointed out that there are no guarantees with any pets that there are FeLeuk kitties that live longer than non-FeLeuk kitties. Shelley's Mark's girls are 13 16. Both Shelley Mark love cats so do the girls but it was the girls' decision because losing their Siamese last year had been very hard on them. I was absolutely fine with that told Shelley to tell the girls that it is possible that they might have to say goodbye sooner than they want but on the other hand this is a chance for both of them to play a huge role in the life of one little special needs cat. And as it turns out, it's what they want to do! They are both very excited. And as Vicki, Shelley's mom told me, there could not possibly be a kitty who will be loved more than Sabrina will be. But listen to THIS! The girls wanted to know if it would be ok if they changed her name to Eleanor. For Eleanor Roosevelt who was such a strong woman! Do these kids get it or not?!! They do!I am so grateful. Sabrina/Eleanor is being spayed this week will have her IFA done. My friend who works MH with me I will drive up get
Re: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet
Just keep sending her good vibes. I hope Eleanor R is tuned in. On 6/6/2011 10:34 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Wow, Pam, what a great story! I wish little Eleanor a long and happy life with her new people. What a great thing -- Thanks for making my ay! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet Sabrina in one lucky girl. We had originally hoped prayed we could find someone who would give her a temporary room for the period of time needed for testing to determine whether she could beat this thing. We sent out SO many emails talked to SO many people. Contacted all the networks we with. But over the weekend, the golden goose flew over laid the proverbial egg on us. Not only does Sabrina get a room, she gets a home! This is a young couple who live in Spring Green, WI, where Mew Haven I am. The woman is the daughter of one of my good friends a nicer, more warm family could never be asked for. They had two Siamese cats that they lost last year so Shelley asked a lot of questions about Sabrina about the disease. I told her everything I knew which i s what I posted here initially. That Sabrina might not live long but on the other hand with good care a stress free environment, she might beat it live a long healthy life. Or she might just be a carrier live many years. I pointed out that there are no guarantees with any pets that there are FeLeuk kitties that live longer than non-FeLeuk kitties. Shelley's Mark's girls are 13 16. Both Shelley Mark love cats so do the girls but it was the girls' decision because losing their Siamese last year had been very hard on them. I was absolutely fine with that told Shelley to tell the girls that it is possible that they might have to say goodbye sooner than they want but on the other hand this is a chance for both of them to play a huge role in the life of one little special needs cat. And as it turns out, it's what they want to do! They are both very excited. And as Vicki, Shelley's mom told me, there could not possibly be a kitty who will be loved more than Sabrina will be. But listen to THIS! The girls wanted to know if it would be ok if they changed her name to Eleanor. For Eleanor Roosevelt who was such a strong woman! Do these kids get it or not?!! They do!I am so grateful. Sabrina/Eleanor is being spayed this week will have her IFA done. My friend who works MH with me I will drive up get Eleanor a week from today. So far so beautifully good! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Sabrina - testing
What is the sequence of testing for FeLeuk cats? Sabrina had the snap test about a week ago. I have seen differing opinions as to when the first IFA should be done. I read somewhere 3 months after the snap test, but a vet with one of our networks says no, it can/should be done now. We are planning on getting the IFA done tomorrow, hopefully. Is this correct? And just what is the sequence timing of all testing to see if the cat has thrown the virus? I read that the period of time is about 6 months. Is this right? And what tests should be done when? THANK you! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Questiions
Hi all, We are trying to give little Sabriina a chance. She is an approximately 5 month old lynx Siamese. She was pulled from a dope house was going to come to us as a foster until she was tested positive for FeLeuk. At the moment she is at a sanctuary about 75 miles from here. We are desperately trying to find someone who will take her for the approximately 6 months that I understand will give a good idea whether she can beat this virus or not. She is healthy looks great. She has had so far only the snap test as I understand it, the IFA test should follow in about 3 weeks. Is this correct? We have a daughter of a friend who MAY take her. But she has two small children the family had to put down their 2 Siamese about a year ago they are not anxious to take in a kitty that they will have to euthanize soon. I have not spoken to her yet but will be tomorrow I am planning on telling her pretty much the following: There are no guarantees as to how long a kitty will live who has tested positive for FeLeuk. It depends on a lot of factors - her general health how she is cared for - diet, freedom from stress, etc. Some kitties will not live long at all; others can live for years: still others will fall somewhere in between. No guarantees. They have no other cats right now I can tell them for sure that they will never have to euthanize her. If she continues to test positive, they have the option of having us take her to the sanctuary where she is not she would join the other FeLeuk cats in that part of the sanctuary. Or they can keep her give her good loving care for as long as she has, knowing that they played a huge part in making her life one filled with love. It would be hard on the kids but it would teach them something about compassion, about caring for an animal that they may lose, that it will hurt them to lose her, but that they know they have done a good beautiful thing. Please tell me if there is more I can tell her. I have never had a FeLeuk kitty before I am no expert on this. So I am very much in need to information I can provide that is fair objective so that they can make an informed compassionate decision. I very much want them to take her but I do not want to mislead them either. Please help me. Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Update on Poppy!
Test is in from IDEXX. Poppy is IFA negative! BUT they did another Elisa (the first was done in-house) she is still Elisa positive. So tell me now what this means. I have to go off to Madison right now but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed info in hand. My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk positive sanctuary, says she will test positive on the next IFA in a month all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or something else. My vet is kinda skeptical too. But you all are the ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the sanctuary) but I need your input. My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done for some reason. Will probably try to do that when I transition her out of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame out put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the wall. There is a low to the floor desk I guess I will let her have that but will barricade everything else leave several open crates with towels around also. Meanwhile her appetite is very good. I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice cat but it would be positive that would eliminate any little chance Poppy might have. Your thoughts, please please. Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
Test is in from IDEXX. Poppy is IFA negative! BUT they did another Elisa (the first was done in-house) she is still Elisa positive. So tell me now what this means. I have to go off to Madison right now but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed info in hand. My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk positive sanctuary, says she will test positive on the next IFA in a month all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or something else. My vet is kinda skeptical too. But you all are the ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the sanctuary) but I need your input. My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done for some reason. Will probably try to do that when I transition her out of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame out put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the wall. There is a low to the floor desk I guess I will let her have that but will barricade everything else leave several open crates with towels around also. Meanwhile her appetite is very good. I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice cat but it would be positive that would eliminate any little chance Poppy might have. Your thoughts, please please. Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
She is not positive on the IFA, she is negative. An initial positive on the Elisa the another positive on the Elisa, but at the same time, a negative on the IFA. On 4/18/2011 1:09 PM, TANYA NOE wrote: Positive on IFA means it has reached the bone barrow and there is no clearing the virus. If she is positive on the snap test again (and it has been at least 6 weeks since she last tested positive) then she is FeLV positive, but you need to wait the full 6 weeks to give her body time to clear the vius. There is still a slight chance she could clear the virus from her body even if it has been 6 weeks but most likely she will not. I have spoken with the maker of the snap test because we were always told that there we a lot of false positives and at my clinic there were probably 2-3 of every 10 tests that were positive, but IDEXX says that the tests are 99.999% accurate. Whether you mix or not is completely up to you. We mixed our girls 2 years ago. Since cats over the age of 1-2 years of age begin to develop a natural immunity and our negative cat is properly vaccinated the risk of the non-positive contracting FeLV is small. There is still a risk but it is very small. I hope this helps and thanks for taking care of this kitty!! Tanya --- On Mon, 4/18/11, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net wrote: From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 10:38 AM Test is in from IDEXX. Poppy is IFA negative! BUT they did another Elisa (the first was done in-house) she is still Elisa positive. So tell me now what this means. I have to go off to Madison right now but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed info in hand. My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk positive sanctuary, says she will test positive on the next IFA in a month all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or something else. My vet is kinda skeptical too. But you all are the ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the sanctuary) but I need your input. My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done for some reason. Will probably try to do that when I transition her out of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame out put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the wall. There is a low to the floor desk I guess I will let her have that but will barricade everything else leave several open crates with towels around also. Meanwhile her appetite is very good. I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice cat but it would be positive that would eliminate any little chance Poppy might have. Your thoughts, please please. Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
Good idea, but no, it was a blood test. Both Elisas. On 4/18/2011 4:21 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote: Just a wild thought... Was the Elisa done by using blood on test strip or saliva/tears??? Some vets may be still doing saliva/tears test its notorious for being wrong. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 4:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test She is not positive on the IFA, she is negative. An initial positive on the Elisa the another positive on the Elisa, but at the same time, a negative on the IFA. On 4/18/2011 1:09 PM, TANYA NOE wrote: Positive on IFA means it has reached the bone barrow and there is no clearing the virus. If she is positive on the snap test again (and it has been at least 6 weeks since she last tested positive) then she is FeLV positive, but you need to wait the full 6 weeks to give her body time to clear the vius. There is still a slight chance she could clear the virus from her body even if it has been 6 weeks but most likely she will not. I have spoken with the maker of the snap test because we were always told that there we a lot of false positives and at my clinic there were probably 2-3 of every 10 tests that were positive, but IDEXX says that the tests are 99.999% accurate. Whether you mix or not is completely up to you. We mixed our girls 2 years ago. Since cats over the age of 1-2 years of age begin to develop a natural immunity and our negative cat is properly vaccinated the risk of the non-positive contracting FeLV is small. There is still a risk but it is very small. I hope this helps and thanks for taking care of this kitty!! Tanya --- On Mon, 4/18/11, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net wrote: From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 10:38 AM Test is in from IDEXX. Poppy is IFA negative! BUT they did another Elisa (the first was done in-house) she is still Elisa positive. So tell me now what this means. I have to go off to Madison right now but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed info in hand. My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk positive sanctuary, says she will test positive on the next IFA in a month all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or something else. My vet is kinda skeptical too. But you all are the ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the sanctuary) but I need your input. My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done for some reason. Will probably try to do that when I transition her out of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame out put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the wall. There is a low to the floor desk I guess I will let her have that but will barricade everything else leave several open crates with towels around also. Meanwhile her appetite is very good. I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice cat but it would be positive that would eliminate any little chance Poppy might have. Your thoughts, please please. Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or g ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace
Jannes, Is there access from the house or do you take her out there? Pam On 4/17/2011 11:15 AM, Jannes Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, Please dlick on this link to see photos of Amber's new kitty palace.div style=width:480px;text-align:right;embed width=480 height=360 src=http://static.pbsrc.com/flash/rss_slideshow.swf; flashvars=rssFeed=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed1113.photobucket.com% Amber is the felv positive kitty we rescued 7 weeks ago. She was on death's door just absolutely starving and did not look well. She had no energy to even play. After 7 weeks of TLC and good food it is hard for me to believe she has any issues at all. I have three healthy cats upstairs and I am not willing to take the chance of exposing them to the virus even though they have been vaccinated against felv. I am so glad I did not have Amber euthanized! The vet was leaning in that direction. God bless you all for all that you do for our sweet feline friends. Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives
I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading reading from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives
Sharon, What about grooming? I would assume that those cats, having lived together for 10 years, would mutually groom. That's sharing bodily fluids I would think would be potentially harmful to the negative ones. Pam On 4/15/2011 1:28 PM, Sharon Catalan wrote: Hello Pam, My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some time now. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net wrote: I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading reading from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives
Lynda, you wrote that Crash was FeLeuk negative last November. Did you mean positive? Or had he been positive prior to this? On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Pam, I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate information. I think it will answer many of your questions. Here is the link: http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats infected to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia). Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010. On March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. He was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he did not have a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I just thought his new food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk because I did not get him vaccinated against leukemia because he is strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been negative but will test again on May 9th. I so want to get him another companion. It keeps him active and it's such a joy to watch to kitties play. Had I known that Crash was contagious with leukemia, I would have never exposed my other cat. This disease is fatal, with no cure. But I will say that the vaccine is not 100% (but none of them are) effective at all times, but it's better than not being protected at all. I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get her siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well. Good luck! I hope this info helps!! Lynda - Original Message - From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading reading from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives
You all have been so helpful on my questions about Poppy I can't believe it! Maybe I can return the favor a bit help here. Most of my 10 cats eat in their crates. I have them stacked in the kitchen each cat knows which one is his they go into them at meal times. Otherwise I too would run out of rooms. I have one who also eats in the bathroom one who eats in my pc room, but the others all eat in their crates in the kitchen. Sometimes they nap or sleep in them too since they have good connotations. Pam On 4/15/2011 5:12 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: How do you keep feeding bowls seperate? I have 7 and don't have enough rooms to keep them out of each other's bowls. Besides, each one thinks that he other's food is diffeent and better than theirs so the first few minutes of feeding is spent trading bowls just t make sure I get the best food. Sharon Catalanscata...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Pam, My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some time now. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net wrote: I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading reading from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sharon F Catalan Cell: (408) 398-5647 Home: (408) 229-2298 Carpe Diem! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives
Great link, thank you, Lynda! Pam On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Pam, I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate information. I think it will answer many of your questions. Here is the link: http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats infected to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia). Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010. On March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. He was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he did not have a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I just thought his new food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk because I did not get him vaccinated against leukemia because he is strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been negative but will test again on May 9th. I so want to get him another companion. It keeps him active and it's such a joy to watch to kitties play. Had I known that Crash was contagious with leukemia, I would have never exposed my other cat. This disease is fatal, with no cure. But I will say that the vaccine is not 100% (but none of them are) effective at all times, but it's better than not being protected at all. I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get her siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well. Good luck! I hope this info helps!! Lynda - Original Message - From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading reading from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Poppy
Poppy is a little wild 6 month old kitten just tested found FeLeuk positive. She was one 3 beautiful white with black kittens trapped on Monday. She is mostly white with a black mask a black tail with a little white tip. Pale green eyes like those marbles we used to play with as kids. Her mother siblings all tested negative. We had blood drawn yesterday for the IFA test are waiting for that to determine what to do. If it's positive, then we will be trying to find a place for this beautiful little girl to live out what she has of her life. If negative, then we will retest at some point she will join her brother Percy sister Prissie in being socialized readied for adoption. At the moment she is in a condo in the back of my car while we wait for the test results. I don't want to bring her into my spare room at this point when the test results are pending as being wild, catching her again right away would be a huge challenge! I have 10 cats of my own in a little house I know that a FeLeuk cat can safely share a house with negative kitties, provided they are kept separate. I don't want her to be alone, whether she is definitely positive or turns out to be negative I can't take in any more cats - doctor's orders. Any advice or information would be gratefully received, Pam In Wisconsin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Need some help or suggestions in Wisconsin
I am in Spring Green, WI, just about 30 miles NW of Madison am trying to find a home or foster for a lovely FeLV kitty in Madison. She is currently living on a screened porch of a very nice woman who unfortunately is not only allergic but has 2 nasty dogs in the back year. We need to get a foster or home asap as the weather here is already turning cold at night. She is perfectly healthy very friendly. Just needs a home someone to love her. Can someone help? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Lance/Ember
I just came into this thread please take Ember in to see your vet! Any lump in the neck area, especially after vaccinations there (which should NEVER be done - NO vaccinations are supposed to be done in the scruff anymore!) is suspect. Take her in asap have it biopsied. Pam Lance wrote: Ember is five and a half. She hasn't gotten any vax except for her first rabies (I think) since I adopted her when she was seven months old. Again, I think I'm being, as Ned Flanders would say, a nervous Nelly, but that's not unusual. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:35:25 -0500, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance - how old is she? Vaccinations have not been given in the neck/scruff in quite some time. Most of my cats have never gotten a vaccination in the neck, but most of my cats are relatively young. On 10/12/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jane, The bump is on the side of her neck, I think. I don't think it's related to a gland. It may just be a pimple. It doesn't seem to go deeper than the skin, and it's small. After reading about vax site sarcomas, I don't *think* it could be that. I don't know where vax are given when they're given in the neck, but it's certainly not on the scruff. I think and hope I'm getting anxious over nothing. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:13 -0400, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance could the bump you discovered at Ember's neck could be a gland ? Is it at the base of her neck? Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
Was bloodwork the same in all? What was off? What was their WBC like, the BUN creatinine, the HCT? Were they eating well up to the time of getting sick? Any fever? Pam laurieskatz wrote: I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer. We did radon testing, air quality, mold, etc etc. Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your furkids. Is toxo contagious? Laurie */Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo!
Re: Wallace not eating or drinking either (was Re: Caroline still not eating or drinking)
Jean, I have had 2 kitties with lymphoma neither of them had FeLV. I think an ultrasound done by an expereienced ultrasonagrapher is definitely in order. Pam Jean wrote: Hi folks -- long-time lurker here... I'm having the same problem with my Wallace. He's 10 in July, half-Maine Coon tiger-tuxedo tabby, used to be 20 pounds. Now he's starved himself down to 9 pounds, and up until last Thursday, the vet was mystified. All his bloodwork is normal. (He's not one of my FeLeuk rescues, so I guess he's a bit OT, sorry...) Three weeks ago, he seemed to be sick. He had an eye infection, and wasn't eating. He looked like he'd lost a lot of weight -- he'd looked mostly normal up until recently, but there's been so much family stuff going on, I didn't think too much about it until the eye infection and when he got picky about his food. I took him in to get bloodwork, thinking that it would be hyperthyroid (which has been the case with three of our family cats in different households). Nope -- everything in the bloodwork was normal, except for his dehydration. Huh. He did have an elevated temperature, so they gave me antibiotics, eye medication, and gave him 150ml of Ringer's solution subq for the dehydration. A few days later, a family emergency came up and I had to go stay with my grandparents for the better part of a week. I brought Wallace with me, and he perked up a great deal. He was eating (although no where near his usual amount), but he was only licking the gravy off the wet food, not eating the chunks. He'd eat some kibble, too, but didn't even get through a half-cup during the five days we were there. Still, he seemed strong and even jumped up to sleep on the bed and sat in the window. After the family crisis passed, we came home to our apartment and the other four cats. Wallace gets along with all of them, pretty much. One of them is his twin brother, Bruce (who is still over 20 pounds of furry purring goodness). I have one rescue, Oliver, who has never really fit in and plays dominance games from time to time, so I thought Wallace's anorexia might be a behavioral problem, reacting to yet another of Oliver's power plays. This theory got more credence when Wallace seemed to droop when we got home -- I think he'd liked being an only cat for five days. :-/ About a week after that, he'd stopped eating again, and I took him back to the vet. This was last Friday, June 8. This time, Wallace did not have a temperature, and his eye infection was gone, but he was dehydrated again. Doc's scale said he'd gone up to 12 pounds, but I don't think it's right. When I weigh him at home (holding him while I weigh myself, then weighing myself and getting the difference), he's only 9.5 or 10 pounds. When Doc did the physical exam, he palpated a mass in his abdomen that he did not feel two weeks prior. Wallace has a bad habit of chewing on plastic, so I was thinking that perhaps he'd gotten himself an obstruction, but the doc didn't think so. He's thinking lymphoma, and we're getting an ultrasound and biopsy this week. I'm doing subcu fluids at home (100-150ml, depending on how much it seems like he needs), and have been syringe feeding. Doc also gave an Rx for Periactin to stimulate appetite, and it seems to have worked a bit. Sometimes Wallace's stomach can't take the periactin, though, and he vomits it up. The past two days, he vomited a *lot*, mostly bile and fluid. But last night, I didn't wake to the unmistakable sound of kitty yakking, so I think this is good. Wallace is using his litterbox, but he's started urinating frequently, with small volume. I'm really scared for his kidneys at this point -- even if he wasn't in kidney failure before, this anorexia and dehydration will throw him into failure. Has anybody had experience with a mystery anorexia, and then lymphoma? I thought lymphoma was unusual in FeLeuk negative cats. :-/ I think I need to have him tested for FeLeuk again -- he hasn't been tested since kittenhood, but he's a strictly indoor cat and hasn't been exposed (that I know of) to a FeLeuk positive cat. I guess I'm asking for prayers and good thoughts for Wallace, too. He's been my baby since he was three weeks old, and I had to bottlefeed him. I've put his whole story on my blog, here: http://lyonessnyc.livejournal.com/52532.html I've had some success in syringe feeding him A/D, and last night I bought a can of KMR feline milk replacer and mixed some of that in with the A/D. I actually got a couple of tablespoons into him, and he slept on the bed most of the night (not under it). I'm scared for my baby. Thanks for listening. -Jean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: Wallace not eating or drinking either (was Re: Caroline still not eating or drinking)
We went straight to chemo. With Coconut, he was treated ini the oncology section of the All Care Trauma Center in Fountain Valley, CA. JuneAmy, who I lost just over a year ago, was treated at the U of WI vet school. Her lymphoma was an extremely fast growing type we lost her. If it is lymphoma with Wallace, I would join the yahoogroup lymphoma list. There's a lot of good people information there. Pam Jean wrote: --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jean, I have had 2 kitties with lymphoma neither of them had FeLV. I think an ultrasound done by an expereienced ultrasonagrapher is definitely in order. Yes, that's the next step. I'm sitting here at home waiting for the vet to call me back to let me know if he's confirmed the sonographer appointment. Doc says next after that is biopsy. You've gone through this -- what happens next? Thank you so much for responding! -Jean, off to syringe-feed Wallace more A/D and KMR Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Kisa
Cassandra, I am so very sorry that you have lost Kisa. May your memories of her bring you happiness in years to come. Pam
Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.
That scripture is lovely. If you have more, I'd like to see them. Pam Marylyn wrote: Just so there is no misunderstanding, animal communications is practiced by Christians as well as people of other beliefs and the Bible speaks of interspecies communications. Below is one of my favorite scriptures. JOB 12:7-10 You have only to ask the cattle, for them to instruct you, and the birds of the sky, for them to inform you. The creeping things of earth will give you lessons, and the fish of the sea provide you an explanation: there is not one such creature but will know that the hand of God has arranged things like this! In his hand is the soul of every living thing and the breath of every human being! There are a lot more but I'm not into preaching. Just clarifying that AC is recognized by numerous religions, agnostics and atheists. As some friends say, take what works for you and leave the rest. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: RE: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. Wow!! Now THAT was a vent!!! That said i agree with Debbie, but there is something more important at stake here. I personally have found this list to be one of the most caring ones around. You guys were supportive of me during our move, and even offered suggestions. Not one other list was as helpful. No, it didn't have much to do with FeLV (although Ki was the ONLY one who scared the crap out of me during that ordeal. He is doing well, anyway...) but I needed support. I have a CRF kitty, one with FIV and diabetes, one with FIV and stomatitis, one with just stomatitis (just, hah!) and an asthmatic. The others are healthy. But darnit, I was scared. No one likes to think about losing their furkid, and I have lost my share, and will again. Point is, we all need a kind word now and again. And suggestions, too. We may not alwys agree, but hey, they were given from the heart, and we need to be mature enough to take what we want and keep our mouth's shut if we don't like them. The internet brings peoples of all beliefs together...that is what is so facinating about it! One of my best friend is a Pagan. I don't believe in all of it, but I learned about it and was surprised! We are free to take it or leave it And, if you decide to leave it, do it with grace. In friendship, Dede and Ki (and all the rest) --- Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was disturbed by the below message. There is nothing wrong with people believing in certain things. If those things bring them comfort how could it ever be wrong? I read Phaewryn's my space blog and it seems to me she is someone who is dealing with a lot of deep issues. She comes across as being a very angry and distrusting person. Take it for what it is worth - just someone blowing off steam. It must be a very sad and lonely life if a person doesn't believe strongly in something. Faith is the healing force and there is nothing wrong with saying a prayer. If anything it humbles us enough to make us see what is truly important in our lives. Myself, I would say I wouldn't go to any psychic readings of any type, but that's me. I do believe there are things that are mystical or paranormal, etc., but I have always wondered where those powers come from? Good or Evil? Since I don't know then I choose not to use them., but if someone else finds comfort in it - then that is their choice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. I'm not going to respond to such an awful personal attack. I truly believe in AC and know a number of people who practice it. It has worked for me and it has worked for them. I am sorry it has not worked for you. Perhaps one day. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HYPERLINK mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question
Re: OT - animal communication - Religious Stuff
Thank you, Pam Marylyn wrote: There are those on the board that have no interest in this so I will send this email and ask that you contact me off the board if I can provide additional informtion. Please remember that, under the Christian and Jewish traditions, man was kicked out of paradise, not the animals. Try these links: http://www.dogshavesouls.com/scripture.html www.saintfrancisfoundation.com And search www.Amazon.com for information on animals and heaven and communications A particular favorite: Numbers 22:27 And when the ass (donkey) saw the angel of the Lord, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. 28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? ROMANS 8:19-21 the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God, because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. (KJV). LUKE 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.' (NKJ) ACTS 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. (KJV) REV. 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. (KJV) ECCLESIASTES 3:18 I said in my heart, Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals. (NKJ) ECCLESIASTES 3:19-20 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath, man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust and to dust all return. (NIV) LUKE 3:6 all flesh shall see the salvation of God. (KJV) PSALM 36:6 Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O LORD. (NRS) GENESIS 1:30 and to every animal of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth on the earth, in which is a living soul, every green herb for food. And it was so. (DBY If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. That scripture is lovely. If you have more, I'd like to see them. Pam Marylyn wrote: Just so there is no misunderstanding, animal communications is practiced by Christians as well as people of other beliefs and the Bible speaks of interspecies communications. Below is one of my favorite scriptures. JOB 12:7-10 You have only to ask the cattle, for them to instruct you, and the birds of the sky, for them to inform you. The creeping things of earth will give you lessons, and the fish of the sea provide you an explanation: there is not one such creature but will know that the hand of God has arranged things like this! In his hand is the soul of every living thing and the breath of every human being! There are a lot more but I'm not into preaching. Just clarifying that AC is recognized by numerous religions, agnostics and atheists. As some friends say, take what works for you and leave the rest. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: RE: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. Wow!! Now THAT was a vent!!! That said i agree with Debbie, but there is something more important at stake here. I personally have found this list to be one of the most caring ones around. You guys were supportive of me during our move, and even offered suggestions. Not one other list was as helpful. No, it didn't have much to do with FeLV (although Ki was the ONLY one who scared the crap out of me during that ordeal. He is doing well, anyway...) but I needed support. I
Re: outdoor enclosures
Same thing with those awful plastic bags if the handles aren't cut. Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote: I had exactly the same problem but I did not realize what all the commotion was about until the poor birdie was dead. That was a long time ago. So sad! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:58 AM, Marylyn wrote: A word about fishing line: I had a bird use a piece in its nest. A baby bird got it wrapped around its leg and dangled from a two story window for a long time. I finally got the bird freed but it would not stay in the nest. I could not get the line from around its leg so, if it lived, the nylon line may have cut into the leg. The same thing can happen with cats + they can get it wrapped around their necks, eat it etc. It is extremely hard to see too. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:40 PM Subject: Re: outdoor enclosures Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl. I even brought some with me. Guess what? It doesn't work in NY...sigh. We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit wire. He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh. They had spent $6,500 on it and it bombed. The stupid manufacturer said It's not for commercial use Well duh, if it works, it works. Zip ties don't work here either. It's very hard to describe what we've done now by writing. I can tell you that in Fl. we got a 10x10 enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using mesh and zip ties. Some folks use fish line. You have to adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain link fence guy can do that for you. We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2 enclosures we will have here. Dede --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like an aviary. It was built at the same time as my deck so it could be incorporated into the plan. It's between a wing of the deck the house goes from ground level to roof level of single story house. The floor is concrete for cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard the walls are 4 PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends uses in their outdoor rooms. It's VERY strong does not cut down on light as does most of the regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen. Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for sunning romping. I scrounded a tall thick tree branch a really crookedy one that are propped in one corner for climbing scratching. The roof is that coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes out there. The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door from the screened porch access to the screened porch from a cat door into the kitchen. Works great. In cold weather they can go out there without letting the cold into the house. I looked at enclosures on the web found that utterly boring. I think the best ones are the ones that the people design themselves. Y ou .should be able to get a handyman to build it. The man who built mine along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said he'd never had a cat room on his resume before! Pam Jane Lyons wrote: I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: To Cassandra and Kisa
Just be sure she gets her doxy! Pam C J wrote: Thank you. So far so good. Kisa is eating mainly felidae canned right now, though she only eats when I hand feed her. When I try the foods she ate before she got sick, she shows an aversion to them now, even to the Tempations treats she absolutely loved before. She still wants to hide under the bed all day, and her lips/gums are very pale, but she is getting a little bit stronger each day. Hopefully she can get more of those red blood cells back into circulation soon. Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:00 AM *Subject:* To Cassandra and Kisa Cassandra and Kisa: You two are in my thoughts today! Hope all is well and Kisa is eating more! Melissa No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM
Sally
Sally, where are you? It's been raining here too hasn't for awhile. I know, too much coincidence for you to be here too but you never know. I'm in south central WI. And remember day lilies are very toxic to cats. Pam Sally Davis wrote: Nina Thanks for the inspiring story. My old computer had major problems least which which was the sound did not work in spite of a sound card and speakers. I am trying to transfer my old files and setting to this computer but the room is still to hot for the old one to run. So I have windows opened three fans running to bring the cool air from outside inside. It is raining and much needed rain for my flowers. Next to my precious cats I collect daylilies, Japanese Maples, and other plants. Well I really don't collect cats. I just love them. I have had a cat since I was a child and I remember all of them. At least when my middle age memory allows me to...lol Sally On 6/3/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a video that had me in happy tears, something I know we could all use: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl
Re: Sally
Ok this is good to know. Now we know who to ask with our flower question. Wish you could see my place. I planted a bunch of things from Breck's but was dumb enough not to label them. Now they're coming up I have no clue as to what they are! Pam Sally Davis wrote: Hi Pam, I am in VA. Daylilies are not in the LILY family. They are not toxic to cats in spite of what the ASPCA has on there website. It is based on an assumption that they are *lilies. *My front yard is entirely daylilies, no grass. Funny thing is my cats get very few fleas now. When they do I use Advantage. Fleas live in grassy yards. I am a horticulturist by trade and education. So I give that as my qualification regarding daylily (hemerocallis) classification. We are getting remnants of TS Barry. Thanks for your concern. Sally On 6/3/07, *Pam Norman* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, where are you? It's been raining here too hasn't for awhile. I know, too much coincidence for you to be here too but you never know. I'm in south central WI. And remember day lilies are very toxic to cats. Pam Sally Davis wrote: Nina Thanks for the inspiring story. My old computer had major problems least which which was the sound did not work in spite of a sound card and speakers. I am trying to transfer my old files and setting to this computer but the room is still to hot for the old one to run. So I have windows opened three fans running to bring the cool air from outside inside. It is raining and much needed rain for my flowers. Next to my precious cats I collect daylilies, Japanese Maples, and other plants. Well I really don't collect cats. I just love them. I have had a cat since I was a child and I remember all of them. At least when my middle age memory allows me to...lol Sally On 6/3/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a video that had me in happy tears, something I know we could all use: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl
Re: outdoor enclosures
I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like an aviary. It was built at the same time as my deck so it could be incorporated into the plan. It's between a wing of the deck the house goes from ground level to roof level of single story house. The floor is concrete for cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard the walls are 4 PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends uses in their outdoor rooms. It's VERY strong does not cut down on light as does most of the regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen. Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for sunning romping. I scrounded a tall thick tree branch a really crookedy one that are propped in one corner for climbing scratching. The roof is that coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes out there. The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door from the screened porch access to the screened porch from a cat door into the kitchen. Works great. In cold weather they can go out there without letting the cold into the house. I looked at enclosures on the web found that utterly boring. I think the best ones are the ones that the people design themselves. Y ou .should be able to get a handyman to build it. The man who built mine along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said he'd never had a cat room on his resume before! Pam Jane Lyons wrote: I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane
Re: outdoor enclosures
The PVC coated wire mesh works fine in Wisconsin fine in Utah. I don't see why it wouldn't work in NY! It's very strong, 4x4 coated wire. Pam dede hicken wrote: Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl. I even brought some with me. Guess what? It doesn't work in NY...sigh. We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit wire. He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh. They had spent $6,500 on it and it bombed. The stupid manufacturer said It's not for commercial use Well duh, if it works, it works. Zip ties don't work here either. It's very hard to describe what we've done now by writing. I can tell you that in Fl. we got a 10x10 enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using mesh and zip ties. Some folks use fish line. You have to adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain link fence guy can do that for you. We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2 enclosures we will have here. Dede --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like an aviary. It was built at the same time as my deck so it could be incorporated into the plan. It's between a wing of the deck the house goes from ground level to roof level of single story house. The floor is concrete for cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard the walls are 4 PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends uses in their outdoor rooms. It's VERY strong does not cut down on light as does most of the regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen. Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for sunning romping. I scrounded a tall thick tree branch a really crookedy one that are propped in one corner for climbing scratching. The roof is that coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes out there. The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door from the screened porch access to the screened porch from a cat door into the kitchen. Works great. In cold weather they can go out there without letting the cold into the house. I looked at enclosures on the web found that utterly boring. I think the best ones are the ones that the people design themselves. Y ou .should be able to get a handyman to build it. The man who built mine along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said he'd never had a cat room on his resume before! Pam Jane Lyons wrote: I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: outdoor enclosures
I wanted the same stuff they used at Best Friends because it is so strong. Out there they use it not only to keep dogs cats from getting out but to keep other critters from getting in . INitially I thought we were going to have to have it shippped from the East Coast but I THINK we found an outlet here in WI that carried it. Yes, pricey, but worth it in the long run. P dede hicken wrote: OK. The stuff that was used was NOT wire coated with PVC...just plastic coated mesh of some sort. THAT stuff does not work in cold climates. I did see the PVC coated wire at the feed store. It's a bit pricy, but it does work well. Dede --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The PVC coated wire mesh works fine in Wisconsin fine in Utah. I don't see why it wouldn't work in NY! It's very strong, 4x4 coated wire. Pam dede hicken wrote: Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl. I even brought some with me. Guess what? It doesn't work in NY...sigh. We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit wire. He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh. They had spent $6,500 on it and it bombed. The stupid manufacturer said It's not for commercial use Well duh, if it works, it works. Zip ties don't work here either. It's very hard to describe what we've done now by writing. I can tell you that in Fl. we got a 10x10 enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using mesh and zip ties. Some folks use fish line. You have to adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain link fence guy can do that for you. We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2 enclosures we will have here. Dede --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like an aviary. It was built at the same time as my deck so it could be incorporated into the plan. It's between a wing of the deck the house goes from ground level to roof level of single story house. The floor is concrete for cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard the walls are 4 PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends uses in their outdoor rooms. It's VERY strong does not cut down on light as does most of the regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen. Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for sunning romping. I scrounded a tall thick tree branch a really crookedy one that are propped in one corner for climbing scratching. The roof is that coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes out there. The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door from the screened porch access to the screened porch from a cat door into the kitchen. Works great. In cold weather they can go out there without letting the cold into the house. I looked at enclosures on the web found that utterly boring. I think the best ones are the ones that the people design themselves. Y ou .should be able to get a handyman to build it. The man who built mine along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said he'd never had a cat room on his resume before! Pam Jane Lyons wrote: I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17
Re: Update on Kisa
I find that the easiest way is to cut the tablet up put it in a small gelcap. Then roll the gelcap in cat food juices. Makes it slippery tastes good so they swallow! Not like sticking a nasty pill in that sticks someplace in the mouth to be spit out later on. Pam C J wrote: Yes i'm giving her doxy, but she's one heck of a tough kitty to give pills to. Tomi is way easier to give pills. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Cassandra, I hope she is still getting the doxy otherwise your only prolonging the inevitable, hemo does not go away on its own. If her anemia is because od hemo she needs the doxy to live. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: Update on Kisa
Cat food juices are more slippery (I wanted to say 'slipperier but that's obviously wrong!). If you can wedge her between your knees on the floor so she is firmly held by your thighs body, then get mouth open whammo in the back of the mouth. I've had so much experience with pills that I basically just put them in my hand go looking for the subject kitty. Most of the tme, just bending over, backing them up to my legs opening the mouth will do. It's all over before they can object! Pam C J wrote: These pills come in a gelcap already. The problem is, she squirms and moves her tongue around like crazy, so I have to try avoiding the tongue and getting the pill right to the back of her throat, or else she bites it. Once she bites it, she foams at the mouth like crazy, so it must taste really bad. I think the vet techs were having a heck of a time giving her pills too when she was there. I am trying to coat it in butter, but cat food juice sounds good too. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa I find that the easiest way is to cut the tablet up put it in a small gelcap. Then roll the gelcap in cat food juices. Makes it slippery tastes good so they swallow! Not like sticking a nasty pill in that sticks someplace in the mouth to be spit out later on. Pam C J wrote: Yes i'm giving her doxy, but she's one heck of a tough kitty to give pills to. Tomi is way easier to give pills. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Cassandra, I hope she is still getting the doxy otherwise your only prolonging the inevitable, hemo does not go away on its own. If her anemia is because od hemo she needs the doxy to live. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: Update on Kisa
200 ml IS too much for her. Stay with 100 but be sure the prior watering is absorbed. Also she should still be on doxy. That is absolutely CRITICAL! For hemobart, she needs to be on it for a good 6 weeks. If she is not, then her HCT will keep dropping she will be in emergency need of a transfusion. Pasm C J wrote: My guess, is her rapid breathing is caused by anemia. She is very pale, her feet and gums are much paler than normal. I am wondering if the hemobart is possibly causing her immune system to attack its own red blood cells, and the Dex is slowling that down. It could be lymphoma too though, its hard to say. Basically the vets aren't very helpful for me anymore. The one vet I was dealing with that was actually being helpful is gone for a few weeks now, and all the other vets want to do is put her to sleep. I hate even consulting them, because they just try to talk me into putting her to sleep. When I got the IV bag, the vet I talked to said to give her like 200ml per day. I think that's way too much right now...when it took her like 12 hours to absorb 100ml. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Hey Cassandra, Wow, I am surprised and so happy that Kisa is rallying! I hope she can pull through. The dex can make a difference. I think the combo shot I mentioned early on shrinks lymphoma, according to Michelle, the girl who used to be here who knows a lot about it. If that's the case, and she does have lymphoma, it might explain the easier breathing. Maybe something is growing quickly and pressing on her lungs or throat. My cat with CRF gets 200 CC a week of subQ fluids, but she is not in grave danger as Kisa is. She walks around with a little sac of fluid hanging off her little bony body for a few hours before it absorbs. She feels so much better after it's done. How much did the vet say you should give Kisa? I would ask them so that you don't overdo it. Keeping my fingers crossed for you guys. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A small update on Kisa. I didn't think she would make it through the night, and at one point I checked on her and thought she was gone, because I didn't see the heavy breathing. She did make it through the night, and I was seriously considering taking her in to the vet for euthanasia. I asked her if I should, and was very upset I wasn't strong enough to make that decision. Well, now she actually looks a little bit better. She's very weak, but she seems more alert and her breathing, while still fast, isn't quite as labored and she's not breathing through her mouth. It could be the dexamethasone making some sort of difference. And then the strangest thing of all happened, she ate about 1 and a half tablespoons of pureed liver, by licking it off the back of a spoon. This is the first time in two weeks since this started, that she didn't gag at the very sight/smell of food. I couldn't believe she actually ate. She must not be feeling as nauseous, and so far she hasn't vomited today. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but this is the first positive thing that has happened for her in two weeks. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how she does over the next couple of days. If she's trying to get better, she has an awful lot to overcome yet in order to do so. I've got a full IV bag of sub-q fluids to keep her hydrated at least. Just a question on that, how much fluid should she get in a day? I gave her about 100ml, six hours ago, and it still hasn't all soaked in from under the skin at the back of her neck. Cassandra Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: depressing!!.
Well if you consider the lifespan of a well cared for indoor cat who gets checkups once a year bloodwork at least once a year, who may get diabetes or kidney disease or even cancer in older age who given the best medical care possible for same - you might get up to 22K by the time that kitty crosses the bridge! Pam Susan Hoffman wrote: Looks like a really big tabby to me.Hmmm, so if I can get a tabby up to 30 pounds, I can call it an Ashera mix and ask a really big adoption fee Who spends $22K on a cat? Crazy. */Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: http://www.lifestylepets.com/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: To Pam: Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely caused by anemia?
Wendy, I am not judging at all. I am only offering my advice (unsolicited, admittedly, but then all of our advice unsolicited basically, is really just offered) based on experience on what Cassandra has said about Kisa's condition difficulty breathing, which we all know is an extremely serious condition. I believe she is near the end that the loving thing to do at this point is to release her from what she is going through. I think it IS urgent that that be done in order to spare her additional suffering. I am not an animal communicator (altho there have been those instances) so I can't say that I know what Kisa wants, but I feel strongly for her believe as strongly that if she could say so, she would ask to be let go. Finally, may I respectfully point out too that your recounting of Cricket's death is all the more reason to spare Kisa the same. Pam wendy wrote: Pam, I respect your opinion regarding Kisa, and don't necessarily disagree with it. But be aware and respectful that not everyone believes the same way. If I could have done things differently, knowing how my last kitty died, I would have pts. But on the other hand, my grandmother died on her own at home; she chose that instead of being doped up at a hospital. A person's (or cat's) choices that must be made, are theirs alone, whether others believe they reflect love or ignorance or whatever. If Cassandra chooses to pts or not, it's her and Kisa's decision. Please don't judge her for the route she takes. She certainly wouldn't harm Kisa intentionally. She loves her. With everything else she is dealing with, gentle guidance is what she needs from us. Urgent pleas will only add to the confusion and stress she and Kisa are already under. :) Wendy --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you must realize that not being able to breathe properly is very frightening very grave. It is very very hard on her to not be able to breathe! Please take her to the vet or the ER let her go. She is so ill has deteriorated so far that trying to treat her any further is only extending her suffering. Do not wait for her to slip away on her own as it is dooming her to only more suffering. If the vet won't come to you, then please take her in now. Pam C J wrote: I've been searching the web for info on respiratory distress, but can't seem to find what i'm looking for. Kisa's breathing is very rapid and deep, and she has her mouth slightly open most of the time. I can't decide if I should take her in to be put to sleep. I am just wondering if anyone has experience with this, and how long will an animal last in this sort of condition? I am sure she isn't feeling very well at all, but I don't know if she is in pain, or just some discomfort. If this is going to go on for days, I should probably put her to sleep. How will an animal die if the respiratory distress keeps getting worse? Will it be a painful ending, or just a cessation of breathing eventually? Thanks for any input. Cassandra Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
Re: Something I found by accident
Debbie, These photos are so pitiful! Those poor babies. So many with eye infections or even blind! It sounds as if progress is being made altho on the website, the deadlines are way past. Are these little ones getting treatment? Pam Debbie wrote: While looking at the net I stumbled upon a very sad story. If you would click on the link and read about what these folks are up against. www.foreclosurecats.org http://www.foreclosurecats.org Hi Debbie, Thank you for asking about the status of the kitties. Yes, we believe we have successfully removed all the www.ForeclosureCats.org http://www.foreclosurecats.org/ from inside.the bank cleanout crew will be well into next week cleaning the junk off that property. They have our contact numbers to notify us of any cats they find. There are still a few very skittish / feral outdoor cats that we need to trap to spay/neuter and include in a TNR program if they indeed are feral. We still have 7 cats in vets that are still not well enough to be spay/neutered and placed in a foster home. We have 2 very healthy and thriving 6 week old kittens that are ready to be adopted (preferably together, they keep each other company) or at least fostered (currently they are in a large dog crate in a garage, they are being cared for but not what we want for this boy and girl). Donations are still desperately neededvet bills (although most vets have given us rescue friendly rates) continue to add up with the 53 cats that we have taken in from this property. Lastly, we need adopters. As the small rescue groups involved do not have a shelter we need to find the forever homes soon so as to honor our commitment to the wonderful fosters that these kitties will be placed in a few months at most. We have very sweet cats and kittens that need their forever homes. *_We have about 5 FIV+ adult cats that will need a very experienced cat guardians or a pet lover that currently has no cats and if they have dogs (cat friendly dogs). _* We have special needs kitties (1 totally blind very sweet kitten and many kittens / cats that are blind in one eye, also we have a deaf cat) We also have very sweet adult cats that need a patient guardian who can help socialize them. Please spread the word to your friends about www.ForeclosureCats.org http://www.foreclosurecats.org/ and if they live near Cincinnati and would be interested in adopting or fostering one of these discarded kitties, please ask them to complete the applicable form on the site. Hopefully this weekend, I can update the site with some individual kitties' saga thru this ordeal. Have a GREAT Day! Anita Barron www.ForeclosureCats.org http://www.foreclosurecats.org/
Re: Update on Kisa
Cassandra, I routinely give about 100 ml per day unless the cat is very small. Never give more fluids if what you have already given has not been absorbed. Usually it does not stay at the back of the neck but slides down under the belly against the back of the front leg. Sometimes down the front leg. On a short haired cat it's pretty easy to check for unabsorbed fluids because it's like they are packing jello. Psm C J wrote: A small update on Kisa. I didn't think she would make it through the night, and at one point I checked on her and thought she was gone, because I didn't see the heavy breathing. She did make it through the night, and I was seriously considering taking her in to the vet for euthanasia. I asked her if I should, and was very upset I wasn't strong enough to make that decision. Well, now she actually looks a little bit better. She's very weak, but she seems more alert and her breathing, while still fast, isn't quite as labored and she's not breathing through her mouth. It could be the dexamethasone making some sort of difference. And then the strangest thing of all happened, she ate about 1 and a half tablespoons of pureed liver, by licking it off the back of a spoon. This is the first time in two weeks since this started, that she didn't gag at the very sight/smell of food. I couldn't believe she actually ate. She must not be feeling as nauseous, and so far she hasn't vomited today. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but this is the first positive thing that has happened for her in two weeks. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how she does over the next couple of days. If she's trying to get better, she has an awful lot to overcome yet in order to do so. I've got a full IV bag of sub-q fluids to keep her hydrated at least. Just a question on that, how much fluid should she get in a day? I gave her about 100ml, six hours ago, and it still hasn't all soaked in from under the skin at the back of her neck. Cassandra
Re: Update on Kisa
Cassamdra. Do NOT attempt to express her bladder unless you are familiar with doing so! This is not something I would ever undertake without being sure I knew what I was doing as you can do real damage. Keep her litter fresh so that you can see what she pees if she is using the litter box. If you are giving 100 ml a day, she should be peeing fairly normally. I would make it a habit to give it at the same time each day. Do you know how to do the skin test for dehydration? Check the gums for tackiness? How much do you think she weighs now? Pam Kelly L wrote: At 06:42 PM 6/1/2007, you wrote: Alot depends upon her kidney function and her respiratory status. On a healthy 10 lb cat 2-300 cc per day is fine, but if her organs are not working properly it could cause a fluidover load and even make it harder for her to breathe. Id she peeing,,,you need to compare what goes in with what goes out, do you know how to express her bladder if you need to, he kidneys do need to be working. I would feel comfortable with 100, but I would sure call the vet and ask as they know he lab values and heart and lung status,, Make sure he body temp does not drop either Have you checked her temp,,,? Thanks for the update and I am sending many good thoughts. it is so very very hard when we love them so much. Kelly A small update on Kisa. I didn't think she would make it through the night, and at one point I checked on her and thought she was gone, because I didn't see the heavy breathing. She did make it through the night, and I was seriously considering taking her in to the vet for euthanasia. I asked her if I should, and was very upset I wasn't strong enough to make that decision. Well, now she actually looks a little bit better. She's very weak, but she seems more alert and her breathing, while still fast, isn't quite as labored and she's not breathing through her mouth. It could be the dexamethasone making some sort of difference. And then the strangest thing of all happened, she ate about 1 and a half tablespoons of pureed liver, by licking it off the back of a spoon. This is the first time in two weeks since this started, that she didn't gag at the very sight/smell of food. I couldn't believe she actually ate. She must not be feeling as nauseous, and so far she hasn't vomited today. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but this is the first positive thing that has happened for her in two weeks. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how she does over the next couple of days. If she's trying to get better, she has an awful lot to overcome yet in order to do so. I've got a full IV bag of sub-q fluids to keep her hydrated at least. Just a question on that, how much fluid should she get in a day? I gave her about 100ml, six hours ago, and it still hasn't all soaked in from under the skin at the back of her neck. Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.5/826 - Release Date: 5/31/2007 4:51 PM
Re: Kissa
I totally agree. She is suffering all you can do for her now is to free her of this as soon as is humanly possible. Please. Pam Tracy Weese wrote: Please consider PTS as opposed to letting it just happen this difficulty breathing is distressful and painful. Tracy
Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely caused by anemia?
I think you must realize that not being able to breathe properly is very frightening very grave. It is very very hard on her to not be able to breathe! Please take her to the vet or the ER let her go. She is so ill has deteriorated so far that trying to treat her any further is only extending her suffering. Do not wait for her to slip away on her own as it is dooming her to only more suffering. If the vet won't come to you, then please take her in now. Pam C J wrote: I've been searching the web for info on respiratory distress, but can't seem to find what i'm looking for. Kisa's breathing is very rapid and deep, and she has her mouth slightly open most of the time. I can't decide if I should take her in to be put to sleep. I am just wondering if anyone has experience with this, and how long will an animal last in this sort of condition? I am sure she isn't feeling very well at all, but I don't know if she is in pain, or just some discomfort. If this is going to go on for days, I should probably put her to sleep. How will an animal die if the respiratory distress keeps getting worse? Will it be a painful ending, or just a cessation of breathing eventually? Thanks for any input. Cassandra
Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
Anita, that sounds more like spraying to me a direct reaction to the newcomers. Very common. In time hopefully it will decrease. I had to deal with it too for years. My piano was ruined needs total refinishing. But that can be done at some point. I can't cuddle my piano love it feel its warmth against my back in bed on cold winter nights. Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Live Hotmail. Try it! www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale=en-usocid=RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_impcont_0507
Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
Good, I'm glad you are going to write. Pam Melissa Lind wrote: Hi All, I haven't been able to respond lately since I've been super busy, but I had to read this pee thread--it hits close to home. Our Bandit started peeing in the heat vent--only one vent--for no apparent reason. We tried every natural remedy we could think of to change the behavior. While I agree that they are doing it on purpose much of the time, I also think that it results from anxiety oftentimes, not a sense of vengeance or naughtiness or vindictiveness. Our vet suggested Prozac (fluoxitine). For $6.00 a month, Bandit receives a half a pill a day, and I'm not kidding--overnight he stopped peeing in the vent (or on the plastic covering the vent). I swear by this stuff. It didn't change his attitude or anything that I can tell--only his reactions to stress. Our vet said we may not ever know what was stressing him out, but at least now Bandit is back to his old self. Our vet said that not many people would have kept a cat like him (most would put him to sleep). That just horrified me. Then I used some of Bandit's Prozac on Cassidy (the FeLV+ who just went to Best Friends) to stop his incessant howling at night. He was so sad--crying all night long--after the Prozac he stopped crying immediately, but it didn't change his behavior in other ways. He still talked and snuggled and was just as fun as before. So, I strongly recommend the Prozac, but I'm not a doctor, and I'm not as experienced as half of you on this list, but that is my experience so far. However, now I'm quite frightened about Best Friends. I'm going to write to my contact there about this. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: To Anita: RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS* I've also know some folks use Valium. One source on the internet praised Prosac. I don't know much about it from personal experience. Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I have heard Elavil works well for some. My Shimmer is on the highest allowable dose and pees on everything anyway. On 5/29/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some in our group have had great luck using Elavil for cats that pee inappropriately. I think the way it was done, was to give it orally (or use ear cream) for 2 weeks, then gradually reduce it (like every other day) until the behavior showed up again, then administer as appropriate (weekly, daily, every two days, etc). Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:08 AM, wendy wrote: Anita, Maybe changing his name would help...lol. ;) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita _ Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en- usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ _ _ __Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart
Cassandra, When you go back tomorrow, you might ask them to give her at least 150 ml of subqs to make for the fluids she's lost in the vomiting. Have them teach you how to do it too get your supplied with the fluids, the IV setup needles. This is something you need to be able to do at home for her. If the vet wants to try the Metroclopramide, have him do the injectable. The pills may just come up again. The injectable is something you can do too. Have him just make up the dose in prepared needles. Hemoibart does affect the liver among other things. It's a nasty nasty bug. And as someone else has said, it's very hard to catch on a blood smear because one minute it is there the next it is not. BUT regardless Kisa MUST be on the doxy for at least 3 more weeks. So it is crucial to get the vomiting under control --- because of hydration, because of getting the doxy down. If she can't take the doxy, then she's going to get anemic again right away with hemobart that HCT will go down to life-threatening levels very quickly. If she's not vomiting at the vet's, then I think y ou might consider leaving her there until things stabilize. Pam C J wrote: It would be great if her liver issues were due to hemobart, but i'm not sure it can cause all the issues she has. She had very high lvls of bilirubin, but she wasn't anemic at all a week ago. Her liver is enlarged as well, with some elevated liver enzymes, and then there's the vomiting 2-4 times per day with zero appetite. Possibly the hemobart jumped on the bandwagon this last week while she's been weak and stressed, or hopefully it could be the cause of some of her problems. It's really hard to say, but i'm constantly praying that its not cancer and somehow the problem can be dealt with. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart Hey Cassandra, I was reading up on hemobartanellosis right now, and it says that it can cause jaundice, which is related to the liver, I believe. Maybe that's what's causing the liver issues?! I sure hope so. Thank goodness they found the hemobart, because it is VERY hard to diagnose. Half the time, they can't see the little buggers on the slide under a microscope. If she pulls through this, we need to make a note for later in case we see this again. Praying that her liver issues are related to the hemobart... :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
Re: Kelley
I am wondering too if she is blind. I don't know of seizures can cause that but whatever neurological thing that caused the seizures might have. The other problem is that if she cannot blink or close her eyes then she cannot lubricate the surface of the eye the vets MUST give her drops! Call them ask about that. Pam Kelley Saveika wrote: No, her eyes are not reactive at all. I don't think she can close her eyes. I did not see her close her eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure. I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though. I will ask when I go in to see her after work. I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness? I'm really lost here. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And her eyes are not reactive? At all? If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes? P Kelley Saveika wrote: Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there.. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does she respond to you? Kelley Saveika wrote: Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying dearly. They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet. She's being monitored around the clock. I've called up there 5 times today starting at 6 am and been there once. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive? Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is now 22, had one about 2 years ago has never had another, knock on wood. Apparently this happens. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Re: Kelley
Ok, glad she can close them. But she COULD be blind. That would account for the non-response. Kelley Saveika wrote: I just got off the phone with them. She is now sleeping with her eyes closed. So she can close them, she just doesn't have the reflex that lets her know if someone is going to poke her in the eye that she should close them. On 5/28/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am wondering too if she is blind. I don't know of seizures can cause that but whatever neurological thing that caused the seizures might have. The other problem is that if she cannot blink or close her eyes then she cannot lubricate the surface of the eye the vets MUST give her drops! Call them ask about that. Pam Kelley Saveika wrote: No, her eyes are not reactive at all. I don't think she can close her eyes. I did not see her close her eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure. I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though. I will ask when I go in to see her after work. I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness? I'm really lost here. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And her eyes are not reactive? At all? If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes? P Kelley Saveika wrote: Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there.. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does she respond to you? Kelley Saveika wrote: Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying dearly. They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet. She's being monitored around the clock. I've called up there 5 times today starting at 6 am and been there once. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive? Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is now 22, had one about 2 years ago has never had another, knock on wood. Apparently this happens. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Re: A little more on the topic of pee
The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative. Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers! Pam Susan Hoffman wrote: And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big deal. I think nothing of it. Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why Trixie was giggling? Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right. The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever. If Trixie offers you toast, decline. */Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again. Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.
Re: Update on Kisa
I almost lost a precious one, my boyfriend kitty, to hemobart a few years ago. It was really scary. He had a high fever, his liver values were up, his HCT went down like a rock. But doxycycline saved his life. It is THE drug for hemobart. I would think that the combination of the doxy, the fluids, the nourishment would make her feel a lot better. Pam Kelly L wrote: At 04:41 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I am so sorry you are both going through this. this is what we all face, thank goodness for wach other. I am sure Kisa was glad to have you visit and she must be feeling better not to be so dehydrated. Those are good things, I am probably way off base but is there a chance theliver is enlarged due to lipidosis or it it remarkably enlarged, Sadly cancer is so common with our special FELV angels. I have heard that theri response to treatment is as good as a non FELV cat, but Liver cancer is a very hard one, She is getting some much needed nutrition and those N.G. ( nasogastric) tubes are not uncomfortable. they just look awful... Please keep us updated and write as often as you like, We are all here with you. Kelly Lane I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to be spending another night there. They're keeping her on the IV. They also put in a feeding tube through her nose, so she's got that taped to the top of her head, and a cone around her neck. She seems a little more alert, but she didn't get up at all. She purred while I pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this. They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking pale, so they are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril. She wasn't anemic on Tuesday, but she may be now. They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite enlarged. The vet figures it probably is cancer. The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too weak for general anesthetic right now. The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7 hours away from here. I didn't ask yet how much this would cost. She would basically start the treatment there, then the vet here could probably do the chemo after all the diagnosis is done. I'm really now sure how feasible that would be for me. I've got other kitties to look after, and a job to go to...not to mention the cost for a treatment that may or may not help her. He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another day on the IV. What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions when it comes to the lives of our little ones? I don't want to put her through a bunch of stress and pain just to have her die anyway, and wish I hadn't put her through so much. Yet I find it so hard to give up on her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM Subject: Update on Kisa Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died. Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation. This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 12 years. I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was away and my 5 cats were inside. What is happening now is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food). I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors. Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, both emotionally and financially. Cassandra
Re: A little more on the topic of pee
Had to laugh at this! It never ceases to amaze me how creative kitties can be! Pam Susan Hoffman wrote: Oh, we always close the door. Same with the microwave. We close doors on toaster ovens and microwaves to protect the food that we've hidden from the cats. My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and cleaning litterboxes quickly enough. She awoke to the smell of poop. Two of her cats had managed to poop down a heating vent. At least she has until winter to take the thing apart and clean it out. */Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the fall..then again I may not Kelly The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative. Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers! Pam Susan Hoffman wrote: And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big deal. I think nothing of it. Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why Trixie was giggling? Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right. The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever. If Trixie offers you toast, decline. */Nina /* wrote: Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again. Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
Re: Update on Kisa
Cassanndra. She MUST stay on the doxy! Be sure you have enough for a minimum of 4 weeks after she is home. Hemobart is a really nasty bug if you stop the doxy, it will come right back. Pam C J wrote: They can't do the needle biospy here, they don't have the equipment. I'm thinking they need the ultrasound in order to do it. Basically my options are: to have her fully hydrated, put some food into her and hope she feels well enough to do the general anesthesia and biopsy, or to send her 6-7 hours away where they have the ultrasound and equipment to diagnose her with a needle. She still would need the general anesthesia to put a better feeding tube in, though. I'm really not sure I can do the second option, nor am I sure how she would handle a long trip like that. I guess a third option would be to just bring her home with the nasal tube and the plastic collar so she can't rip it out, and hope that the problem isn't cancer, and might clear up if we kept her properly fed and hydrated. The vet says it likely isn't fatty liver, since she wasn't overweight, and didn't stop eating til she got sick, but I guess he can't know for sure without the biopsy. Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* Taylor Scobie Humphrey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2007 9:33 PM *Subject:* Re: Update on Kisa If you find it hard to give up on Kisa, well, DON'T! Will you please ask your vet if a fine-needle biopsy of Kisa's liver is feasible? Then she won't need general anesthesia because it's a poke instead of an operation. We all have some variation of other kitties and jobs and kids and aging parents and spouses and houses to care for. If you can get her started at the oncologist and then have your vet do it, that sounds ideal. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 28, 2007, at 6:41 PM, C J wrote: I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to be spending another night there. They're keeping her on the IV. They also put in a feeding tube through her nose, so she's got that taped to the top of her head, and a cone around her neck. She seems a little more alert, but she didn't get up at all. She purred while I pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this. They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking pale, so they are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril. She wasn't anemic on Tuesday, but she may be now. They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite enlarged. The vet figures it probably is cancer. The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too weak for general anesthetic right now. The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7 hours away from here. I didn't ask yet how much this would cost. She would basically start the treatment there, then the vet here could probably do the chemo after all the diagnosis is done. I'm really now sure how feasible that would be for me. I've got other kitties to look after, and a job to go to...not to mention the cost for a treatment that may or may not help her. He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another day on the IV. What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions when it comes to the lives of our little ones? I don't want to put her through a bunch of stress and pain just to have her die anyway, and wish I hadn't put her through so much. Yet I find it so hard to give up on her. Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* C J mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM *Subject:* Update on Kisa Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now.
Re: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart
You can find more about hemobart on the feline anemia list. A number of people over there have dealt with it. I just know that doxycycline saved Gus's life after he spent a week in the ICU at the U of WI vet hospital in Madison. It was pretty awful because his brother had died there only a month before of a total metabolic breakdown caused initially by acute pancreatitis. I was so afraid I was going to lose Gus too. I went in every day to see him - I'm about an hour away. I'd hold him talk to h im sing to him (You Are My Sunshine over over over again). I always wore blue because it's the color of healing, the same sweater every day! He's still with me. Still my boyfriend kitty (an animal communicator said he wanted to be my boyfriend!). Pam wendy wrote: Hey Cassandra, I was reading up on hemobartanellosis right now, and it says that it can cause jaundice, which is related to the liver, I believe. Maybe that's what's causing the liver issues?! I sure hope so. Thank goodness they found the hemobart, because it is VERY hard to diagnose. Half the time, they can't see the little buggers on the slide under a microscope. If she pulls through this, we need to make a note for later in case we see this again. Praying that her liver issues are related to the hemobart... :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
Re: A little more on the topic of pee
Please do tell!! Susan Hoffman wrote: When I have a little more time, remind me to type up the Poop Fairy story. (Subtitle: How Spot trained my roommate to give her strawberry ice cream and bacon and to never, never again spray her with water to get her off his desk.) They hold grnges, can plot against you, and are capable of brilliant strategic thought. */C J [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Oh I know they do it on purpose. One of my cats left a nice brown present for me right on my pillow the day we took Tomi in. She never did that before or since. Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* MaryChristine mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2007 7:14 PM *Subject:* Re: A little more on the topic of pee i get such a kick out of the experts who say that cats don't do this on purpose, or don't hold grudges. have they never LIVED with them?? the little beasts know EXACTLY what they're doing, i'm convinced of it! and, yes, are giggling behind their paws as we discover their gifts and surprises! On 5/28/07, *Susan Hoffman* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, we always close the door. Same with the microwave. We close doors on toaster ovens and microwaves to protect the food that we've hidden from the cats. My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and cleaning litterboxes quickly enough. She awoke to the smell of poop. Two of her cats had managed to poop down a heating vent. At least she has until winter to take the thing apart and clean it out. */Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the fall..then again I may not Kelly The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative. Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers! Pam Susan Hoffman wrote: And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big deal. I think nothing of it. Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why Trixie was giggling? Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right. The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever. If Trixie offers you toast, decline. */Nina /* wrote: Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again. Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan
Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list
Sam, may his road be lit by the radiance of the love that you obviously have for him. He the others will be there when you cross that bridge. Sylvia Browne says that when we cross, that friends relatives must stand back wait while the animals greet us. They are first. As they should be. Pam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the rainbow bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year of complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part he will be be still alive. He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join hers. He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made for him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, jump/climbed up the comforter on our water bed to sleep with us. Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little Tux, Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of rest, help him to enjoy being healthy and young again. Sam and Marcia
Re: Plastic bags
What we should do is to bring our own reusable bags when we shop. Pam Kelly L wrote: At 08:13 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote: Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin cardboard so they will biodegrade..I hate them!! While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all plastic actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get their heads caught in the handles strangle. So please please cut those loops! For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 6 paks together. Those things have been found around the necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around their necks. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/818 - Release Date: 5/25/2007 12:32 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/818 - Release Date: 5/25/2007 12:32 PM
Re: Plastic bags
I wonder if it's not better to NOT let the lid come off completely but leave it attached when the can i s empty, push the lid closed again, in such a way that the lid is held down under the brim o f the can. Pam Marylyn wrote: While you are at it: Please make sure lids from cans are completely off and not just bent back. When I was working I found a little stray who was trying to lick a can clean and got his head stuck. You have no idea how hard it is to get a panicked stray/feral's head out of a can. I still don't know what the cat looked like. Once he was freed he put a cheetah to shame with his speedy escape. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:13 PM Subject: Plastic bags While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all plastic actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get their heads caught in the handles strangle. So please please cut those loops! For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 6 paks together. Those things have been found around the necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around their necks. Pam
Re: Plastic bags
I do the same thing with my used litter, then tie the bag shut, cut the handles put them in a commercial dumpster near where I feed my ferals. Pam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: */Wow didn't think this subject would last this long./* *//* */Anyway, I recycle my plastic bags. I dump dirty cat litter in them then put that into the bags that the clean litter comes in. So there isn't a smell./* *//* */I remember years ago one of my Mom's cats got hung up in the handle parts and scared him so bad that I thought he was going to have a heart attack. He went flying through the house with it stuck on his body. To top it off he was a high strung Siamese./* */I felt so bad for him./* *//* */In general the only time there is any plastic out is when I'm changing the litter boxes or garbage cans. Tazzy just sits there and licks it. Of course it's before it has the dirty litter in it./* In a message dated 5/26/2007 8:22:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 08:13 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote: Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin cardboard so they will biodegrade..I hate them!! While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all plastic actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get their heads caught in the handles strangle. So please please cut those loops! For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 6 paks together. Those things have been found around the necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around their necks. Pam *//* */Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com//**/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ /* See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503.
Re: Thinking of Caroline
Apparently it can. When JuneAmy was with me started having seizures, that was one of the things we tested for. In her case we never found the reason because the lymphoma took her so soon after she got here. Pam Kelley Saveika wrote: Does toxo usually cause seizures??? On 5/27/07, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well. Best vibes that it's the toxo and nothing worse. Hugs to both of you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis. Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable. I told them to go ahead and start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis... Kelley On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is in my thoughts and prayers! Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of this. Take care of yourself! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
You should be giving her subqs at least! You are fast approaching the point, if not already there yet, where if you are not going to put in a tube to feed her you are not going to consult an oncologist, that continuing as she is now would be only prolonging her suffering. She is not going to just slip away naturally peacefully. She is very sick, with hepatic lipidosis on top of everything else, plus her body is starving. If nothing further is going to be done for her beyond what has been, which clearly is not helping, then you must consider letting her go. This is not going to turn around without serious intervention. I am not talking surgery, I am talking about insertion of a feeding tube to get critical nourishment into her extend her life long enough to see an oncologist find out where or what the cancer is whether treatable or not. If that isn't going to be done, then there is no hope you MUST consider her clearly declining quality of life let her go. Pam C J wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
You can call THEM in the middle of the night ask how she is! That's what I would do. No, they will not insert a tube to tube feed her unless you ask them to. They can't put in a naso-esophageal tube when she is vomiting, so the only one that they can put in is one that bypasses the stomach. Do you mean the ER vet is not 24 hours? Or do you mean that they are only open when the other clinics are closed? You don't say where you are. What city of 50,000 what city is 2.5 hours away. When I was debating moving to work at Best Friends in Utah, St George was the nearest city of any size that was 1.5 hours away. Las Vegas was 4 hours. For my kitties I would make either of those trips. For the 4 hour trip, I would just stay there if I had to sleep in my car. Hoping for a miracle, Pam C J wrote: The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to
Kelley
Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive? Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is now 22, had one about 2 years ago has never had another, knock on wood. Apparently this happens. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Re: Kelley
How does she respond to you? Kelley Saveika wrote: Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying dearly. They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet. She's being monitored around the clock. I've called up there 5 times today starting at 6 am and been there once. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive? Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is now 22, had one about 2 years ago has never had another, knock on wood. Apparently this happens. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Re: Kelley
And her eyes are not reactive? At all? If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes? P Kelley Saveika wrote: Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there.. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does she respond to you? Kelley Saveika wrote: Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying dearly. They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet. She's being monitored around the clock. I've called up there 5 times today starting at 6 am and been there once. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive? Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is now 22, had one about 2 years ago has never had another, knock on wood. Apparently this happens. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Plastic bags
While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all plastic actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get their heads caught in the handles strangle. So please please cut those loops! For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 6 paks together. Those things have been found around the necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around their necks. Pam
Re: Update on Kisa
If you give her a can of A/D or of MaxCal per day, depending on what she weighs, that would be ok. But you don't have time anymore to build up to that, she needs it now if she is yellowing. Your vet should know that! Her liver is probably having a hard time because her body is not getting food! Your vet should know that too! The more time that passes with her not getting sufficient food into her, the more jaundiced sicker she will become. If she were my cat, I would treat the hepatic lipidosis - because that is what she has now! --- first worry about the cancer later. Pam C J wrote: I believe the vet said it was likely a lymphoma due to the lymphocytes being high in the blood. And I am using prednisone right now. I am syringe feeding her even though its terribly stressful on both her and me, but how do you tell the calorie amount in a food? All I can see on the cans is a breakdown of the protein, fat etc. Does fat = calories? The vet said I shouldn't be giving her a food high in fat, that it would be too hard on her liver since its already having a hard time. The vet gave me a cardiovascular food, that i'm supposed to add a bit of potassium and vegetable oil to, and blend up. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Do they mean cancer or do they mean lymphoma? Because if lymphoma, you can treat that with prednisone. It's not the drug of choice IF you are going to do chemo, but if you are not going to do chemo it IS lymphoma, then pred would be an option. But if she's not eating, she will weaken die if she does not get hepatic lipidosis before that. In which case in her already weakened state there would be little hope. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but when a cat doesn't eat, things don't work out. And an FeLV cat is even more vulnerable. If it's lymphoma as opposed to cancer somewhere, you might buy some time with pred. But if she doesn't get high caloric food into her (either AD or Eukanaba's MaxCal), at least a can a day, she will not make it. Pam C J wrote: Thank you all for your suggestions. I went to the vet today and got some injectable chloropromazine. They said it should help with the vomiting, though it is also a sedative. Kisa still vomited this evening, about 3 hours after a syringe feeding, but hopefully they drug just needs more time to work. The vet got back some blood test results, and says that it looks like cancer. They can't know for sure without a biopsy, but they don't suggest doing that. So really i'm left with not really knowing for sure what is going on. They won't do chemo without a definite diagnosis for cancer. I'm not sure if I could afford that anyway...they didn't say exactly how much it would cost, but said it wouldn't be a good idea to spend thousands on FeLV+ cat with a poor prognosis. Kisa is absolutely hating the syringe feedings. She's all of 6-7 pounds and it takes both my husband and I to hold her. For a weak kitty she sure can put up a fight. By the time we're done, she's got food all over herself, and us. I don't think she's going blind, because she takes off like a shot after the feeding. We allow her into our bedroom at night now...our bedroom is reserved for sick kitties only. She really seemed to enjoy that, and even crawled under the covers and curled up to me purring. I haven't seen her that happy in awhile. But this mornign at 5:30 am, I woke up to a huge puddle of orange pee (filled with Bilirubin) right between us. She didn't even try to use the litter box or even squat to pee. Well we were up after that trying to wash some of the bedding before going to work. It sure has been a long haul here, I can only hope somehow it will work out. Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* C J mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM *Subject:* Update on Kisa Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening
Re: Update on Kisa
Cassandra, Please join the AssistedFeeding list on y ahoogroups. Also you may have to consider a feeding tube for Kisa. It is essential that she get food if she is throwing it up, the only thing left may be tube feeding. It is not the bugaboo that many think. I tube fed Otto for 6 weeks it was a piece of cake. He had a PEG tube that went directly into his stomach. Kisa needs food. She is only going to go downhill if she doesn't get it keep it down. Pam C J wrote: Ugh, Kisa vomited again about 3 hours after I syringe fed her and gave her the pills. There seemed to be quite a bit of food vomited up. I hoping that a few hours is enough to absorb the pills and get some nutrition? I syringe fed her some more, and am hoping she can keep that down. It seems like I have the most luck with her keeping things down if I give them right after she vomits. This syringe feeding is sure an awful process. She hates it so much, and the food gets all over her and me. Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* C J mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM *Subject:* Update on Kisa Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died. Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation. This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 12 years. I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was away and my 5 cats were inside. What is happening now is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food). I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors. Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, both emotionally and financially. Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM
Re: Benjamin and Sasquatch
Where is it? And where did the name come from? Pam Sherry DeHaan wrote: It is called Crash's Landing and Sids.Sids is the felv and fiv kitties.And Crash's is where the 100 or more disease free kitties are.I volunteer at both.And love them ALL!! :) */Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Where is your sanctuary? Does it have a name? Wonderful that you are taking care of so many. Pam Sherry DeHaan wrote: Hi Pam,I know Dr.Jen is going to try what she can.These 2 are a couple of our 88 sanctuary kitties.They are fiv and felv. So it would be pretty hard to feed them special foods.Unless someone takes them home to take extra care for them.Which she does if she can.Thank you soo much for your info. Sherry */Pam Norman /* wrote: Sherry, IBD can be treated with a change in diet. Elimination of all dry food switch to an IBD diet - in my Paddy's case it's Royal Canin's Duck Green Pea or Venison Green Pea. Paddy was also on prednisolone for quite a while but he's ok now. Still eats that food is on a low maintenance dose of the predniosolone primarily for lumbarsacral arthritis. He's 22. An intestinal cancer could be detected perhaps by ultrasound /or xray. Can she feel anything?: Some vets are able to palpate to feel thickened intestinal walls which is indicative of both IBD GI lymphoma. What you have so far is not a sufficient diagnosis to be making any decisions. You need the vet to be more specific. Yes, it is hard to diagnose IBD lymphoma but I would not give up on them at all at this point without further diagnostic work. Pam Sherry DeHaan wrote: Hi everyone,once again I need to ask for good thoughts and prayers for these sweet boys.Benjamin is a sweet loving black boy and Sasquatch is a sweet loving gray boy.Dr. Jen thinks they both might have some form of Irritable bowel problems.Or worse intestinal cancer.She has the hospitalized and is doing all that she can to get them feeling better again.So please add them both to your prayers and thank you for being my support group. Sherry Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. Pinpoint customers http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48250/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v9.php?o=US2226cmp=Yahooctv=AprNIs=Ys2=EMb=50who are looking for what you sell.
Re: Update on Kisa
Food is very very important. Cats cannot go without food for very long without running the risk of feline hepatic lipidosis which is what you do NOT want to have to deal with on top of everything else. You must get her to eat a good high calorie diet whether you finger feed, spoonfeed, syringe feed. There is is a wonderful Assisted Feeding list on yahoogroups I strongly urge you to join it. I cannot emphasize too strongly the importance of her eating. A teaspoon here there won't do it. She has to have a full calorie regimen EVERY day! Pam Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote: Oh, Cassandra, what an incredible bummer. I guess livers don't get needle biopsies, huh? Also, I wonder why they didn't give her an anti-nausea pill or liquid if she hasn't eaten since Saturday. Do you know a veterinary oncologist? They truly make a big difference. You must feel just overwhelmed. Believe me, we've all been there and we're all praying for little Kisa. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 22, 2007, at 8:20 PM, C J wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died. Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation. This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 12 years. I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was away and my 5 cats were inside. What is happening now is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food). I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors. Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, both emotionally and financially. Cassandra
Re: Great Snake evening excitement
Diane, How was it cured? How long did she have it? Was she on a special diet? I'd really like to hear more. Every bit of information is helpful. It is just an awful bug. Changes one's life. Pam Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: My mother had Cdiff for a while, and it was pure misery. You have my sympathies. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite next thing I knew I was deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost 30 pounds in 3 months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin am still on it 8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary even then I will be sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, a semi-feral colony of 4. I honestly don't know what is worse, an untreated cat bite or Cdiff. Pam Kelly L wrote: At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote: Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started antibiotics Kelly Please be very careful with the cat bites. I know you will be but have to say it anyway. I little feral broken a finger (much to the dismay of an entire hand practice at a university here). I had surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later (supposedly) to repair the nail bed. The last surgery was after a very long course of antibiotics. Instead of repairing the nail bed they wound up cleaning out the wound again. Seems like it was very infected with no outer signs of infection. Some of these bugs can get into the bone and fester for months or years. I am not saying this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye on the situation. Your cats value you much too much to let you spend too much time at a hospital. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM Subject: Great Snake evening excitement Ok..So I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a gopher or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more, I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, Several very deep bites but I got her out, Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,, the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!! What is strange is I have a pair of Red Tail hawks nesting in my palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm Kelly -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender
Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee
Well, it might just keep them all so distracted that Sammy wouldn't think to search out the purse! Pam MaryChristine wrote: only this group would think that adding more cats could solve a cat problem! On 5/22/07, *Susan Hoffman* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Throw in a third cat? That will alter the dynamic. */Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I'm thinking of contacting the fire department to see if I can lease one of those airplanes that dump water/chemicals on fires. I could fill the hold with anti-stink and have them dump it on my house. My sister has all of two cats and one of them climbed on her table yesterday and while Connie watched in horror. squatted and peed in her very expensive, (well previously expensive) purse. Of course this is a rescue kitty that I begged her to adopt from me. She loves Sammy, he's a sweet, sweet boy that cuddles under the covers with her at night, but she's been asking me what to do about this and I'm running out of ideas. This is the third time he's done his inappropriate urinating in the last couple of months. The first time was in one of those cardboard scratching boxes on the floor, the second was in my dad's backpack while he was visiting, and now the purse that Tux treats like his mother, (Tux has been known to seek out this purse and rub and nurse on it). She's already taken Sam to the vet for a check up and urinalysis; he's healthy as can be. She's added additional litter boxes. That seemed to help for a little while and he uses them most of the time. The two cats get along for the most part, but Sammy is older and they do sometimes scuffle when Tux becomes too energetic. (You may remember Tux as the kitty that gave us all a scare when he went missing for 3 days and ended up being locked in the attached garage the entire time). I'm pretty sure this has something to do with the dynamic between the two cats, (Sam is Connie's cat and Tux is more bonded to her son Justin), or at least some sort of territorial/jealousy thing. I suggested keeping Sam confined to her bedroom for a couple of days to see if he appreciates the alone time, and a litter box that is not contaminated with Tux smells. I thought she could try that at least when she's not home, but she doesn't want to segregate Sam. Sam used to be an indoor/outdoor cat that never used litter in the house. I'm wondering if the problems would stop if he had access to the outside, but Connie lives in coyote country. I suggested a trip to Home Depot to construct an attached outdoor habitat, but she thinks that's extreme. Ha! She don't know extreme! Anyone have any suggestions? N MaryChristine wrote: we really have to get these cats of ours jobs--they have WAY too much time on their paws to sit around and figure these things out. and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of the dryer, as well. i just pour the anti-stink straight on the floor there sigh. On 5/21/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the sympathy. The dryer is such an ingenuous touch. How clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know which of my clan is the culprit). Not only does the dryer bake in the fragrance, but it is then carried about all over the house, (not to mention everywhere I might travel). It's so darn efficient of them! All the fabric throws covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) . Nina elizabeth trent wrote: Oh no! Nina, you have all my sympathy. Ode de kitty toilette is definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for warm weather. Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'? That helps me a lot with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house. I saw some a CVS last week. You can order it online too. I am so sorry! elizabeth -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee
Hey, I've got 10! It seems to be my number! It's a little bit nuts at dinner time. But no pee problems. Yet. Pam Nina wrote: Yea, I remember 5 fondly. I also remember thinking how crazy it was to have so many cats. I guess there's crazy and then there's CRAZY. N MaryChristine wrote: i always liked five.. tho i can barely remember that far back. On 5/22/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha! I told her that! I even have another tuxedo cat that would fit in nicely with her color scheme, (both Tux and Sam are tuxies). Connie's not going for it though. I think it's a great idea. I remember reading somewhere that the perfect number for cat dynamics is something like 5 or 6 cats. I'm perfectly happy to accommodate her with meeting that quota, but she's hesitant for some reason :-) . N Susan Hoffman wrote: Throw in a third cat? That will alter the dynamic.
Re: OT: on the subject of pee (long)
Nina, where did you get the rollaway kitty condo? Pam Nina wrote: Diane I feel for you, your housemate and of course Doyle. I think it's a good idea to give Doyle his own space when you're not home, or when he's not directly under your protection. I've used the feliway stuff too, (I did find a generic brand that was cheaper), I used the flower essences in the water bowls too. I don't know if that stuff really helps or just makes me feel like I'm doing something/anything. It does certainly sound like Doyle is not ready or comfortable enough to be in general population. Working with ferals, (and Sophie Matilda, my resident psycho kitty), has taught me to take it very slow and to not be hesitant to go back a couple of steps in the acclimation/taming process when things are not progressing. I just ordered this great condo cage that has wheels for easy movement. I got it for about $80 bucks. I'd set up something like that in Doyle's room and feed him in there to get him used to using it. Have something like a small open travel crate in there to give him privacy etc. When you think he's ready, you could move the cage out into the living room while you watch tv, put him on your lap and use the condo cage if you think he's getting stressed. You might even want to partially cover the cage to make him feel even more secure. You can always roll it back into his room and open up the cage door if he's too nervous about it at first. I'm betting if you make him comfortable in his room, (a screen door so he can watch and hear the household activity, scheduled time spent with him), maybe even his comfort table in there propped against a window to watch the world from), he'll start to regain some confidence and stop the peeing behavior. Does he have a cat buddy that he actually likes spending time with? Maybe you could let that particular cat in Doyle's room with him from time to time for supervised visits. Later, when you think he's ready, you could start releasing him when it's time to go to bed and everyone is more settled. You just have to keep coming up with novel approaches and do your best to put yourself in his paws. It will work out. I don't know why it continues to surprise me, but I try to never say never. Patience and caring have resolved so many situations that I thought might never work out. Keep the faith, Nina Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: My housemate and I are having a new and interesting problem with our Doyle. We've had him about 2 years and this has just started.
Re: Great Snake evening excitement
I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite next thing I knew I was deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost 30 pounds in 3 months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin am still on it 8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary even then I will be sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, a semi-feral colony of 4. I honestly don't know what is worse, an untreated cat bite or Cdiff. Pam Kelly L wrote: At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote: Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started antibiotics Kelly Please be very careful with the cat bites. I know you will be but have to say it anyway. I little feral broken a finger (much to the dismay of an entire hand practice at a university here). I had surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later (supposedly) to repair the nail bed. The last surgery was after a very long course of antibiotics. Instead of repairing the nail bed they wound up cleaning out the wound again. Seems like it was very infected with no outer signs of infection. Some of these bugs can get into the bone and fester for months or years. I am not saying this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye on the situation. Your cats value you much too much to let you spend too much time at a hospital. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM Subject: Great Snake evening excitement Ok..So I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a gopher or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more, I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, Several very deep bites but I got her out, Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,, the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!! What is strange is I have a pair of Red Tail hawks nesting in my palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm Kelly -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM
Re: Great Snake evening excitement
LITERALLY! Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote: Yikers! I could certainly lose a few pounds but what an exceptionally crappy way to do it! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 22, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Pam Norman wrote: I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite next thing I knew I was deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost 30 pounds in 3 months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin am still on it 8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary even then I will be sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, a semi-feral colony of 4. I honestly don't know what is worse, an untreated cat bite or Cdiff. Pam Kelly L wrote: At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote: Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started antibiotics Kelly Please be very careful with the cat bites. I know you will be but have to say it anyway. I little feral broken a finger (much to the dismay of an entire hand practice at a university here). I had surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later (supposedly) to repair the nail bed. The last surgery was after a very long course of antibiotics. Instead of repairing the nail bed they wound up cleaning out the wound again. Seems like it was very infected with no outer signs of infection. Some of these bugs can get into the bone and fester for months or years. I am not saying this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye on the situation. Your cats value you much too much to let you spend too much time at a hospital. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM Subject: Great Snake evening excitement Ok..So I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a gopher or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more, I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, Several very deep bites but I got her out, Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,, the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!! What is strange is I have a pair of Red Tail hawks nesting in my palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm Kelly --No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM --No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM
