Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - rest in peace
Lance, I understand what you are going through. I blame myself and the vet for not picking up on the dehydratio and how serious it was. I have learned, and the next time any cat exhibits those same symptoms I will act on my own and start water with a bit of sea salt to reestablish their electrolytes and start on raw turkey/chicken livers with a pat of butter added. When I did this, she perked up and had I caught it in time, I do believe that the tonic would have taken care of the cancer as the tumor was dying and it was oozing just like my lymphoma did. That is the only thing we can say in this situation, we have learned and can possibly prevent it from happening again. Don't beat yourself up too much. You acted on what you thought was the best treatment. Second guessing only prolongs the agony. Will keep you in my prayers. And do remember, Ember is not in pain anymore and she did understand that you loved her and were trying your best. "Katherine K." wrote: > Lance, > > I'm so, so sorry to hear about sweet, beautiful Ember. Sounds similar to > what my last 2 positive kittens had. I waited too long with the last one > and wished I hadn't. You gave Ember a wonderful life and I am sure she was > grateful for that. May the good times you shared together bring you some > comfort during this time of grief. Thank you for sharing her story with us. > > Take care, > Katherine > > > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Marsha wrote: > > > Oh Lance, I am so sorry to hear about Ember. My heart goes out to you. > > May memories of happy times with Ember bring you some comfort. > > > > Marsha > > > > On 5/29/2014 6:19 PM, Lance wrote: > > > >> What we thought was anorexia being caused by a FORL turned out to almost > >> certainly be mediastinal lymphoma. The vet realized that Ember’s breathing > >> was even more abnormal than the hernia had made it, and while her membranes > >> were pale, her RBC was good. Radiography confirmed something in the area > >> where mediastinal lymphoma (I don’t know anatomy, and the day has been a > >> blur). > >> > >> There is no specialist care in this area. The closest specialist who > >> could even remotely help is two hours away and is going on vacation for a > >> week starting tomorrow. I could not take the risk that Ember’s condition > >> would deteriorate over the weekend with no real help. I felt like she would > >> either suffocate or be starved beyond good health by the time we could get > >> diagnosed, staged, and chemo for her. > >> > >> I’ve always said that I wouldn’t let her suffer, and so I chose to let > >> her go. > >> > >> I’ll remain subscribed, but I probably won’t be tuned in, particularly as > >> I deal with the emotional process that lies ahead. > >> > >> Best to all of you and your cats, > >> > >> Lance > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - rest in peace
Lance, I'm so, so sorry to hear about sweet, beautiful Ember. Sounds similar to what my last 2 positive kittens had. I waited too long with the last one and wished I hadn't. You gave Ember a wonderful life and I am sure she was grateful for that. May the good times you shared together bring you some comfort during this time of grief. Thank you for sharing her story with us. Take care, Katherine On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Marsha wrote: > Oh Lance, I am so sorry to hear about Ember. My heart goes out to you. > May memories of happy times with Ember bring you some comfort. > > Marsha > > On 5/29/2014 6:19 PM, Lance wrote: > >> What we thought was anorexia being caused by a FORL turned out to almost >> certainly be mediastinal lymphoma. The vet realized that Ember’s breathing >> was even more abnormal than the hernia had made it, and while her membranes >> were pale, her RBC was good. Radiography confirmed something in the area >> where mediastinal lymphoma (I don’t know anatomy, and the day has been a >> blur). >> >> There is no specialist care in this area. The closest specialist who >> could even remotely help is two hours away and is going on vacation for a >> week starting tomorrow. I could not take the risk that Ember’s condition >> would deteriorate over the weekend with no real help. I felt like she would >> either suffocate or be starved beyond good health by the time we could get >> diagnosed, staged, and chemo for her. >> >> I’ve always said that I wouldn’t let her suffer, and so I chose to let >> her go. >> >> I’ll remain subscribed, but I probably won’t be tuned in, particularly as >> I deal with the emotional process that lies ahead. >> >> Best to all of you and your cats, >> >> Lance >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember-blood work concerns
Thanks, Shelley. I'll talk to the vet about diet changes. I'm looking up Weruva right now. Lance On Sep 15, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Shelley Theye wrote: > Hi Lance, > > I just wanted to mention that my cat Jack, who does not have FeLV but does > have heart disease and FLUTD, had high triglycerides a few years ago. That > was when I was feeding grain free food with a high fat content. The vet > wanted to do an abdominal ultrasound to check pancreas, etc., but I was > worried about the stress if he had to be on his back, etc, with his heart > disease, so even though I usually do whatever the vet suggests, I decided to > just wait and recheck blood work a month or so later, and they said I could > find a lower fat diet for him. Anyway, after switching to a very low fat > grain free canned food, Weruva Paw-lickin Chicken, his triglycerides went > back to the normal range. I think they were up in the 600's? Can't recall > for sure and don't have the paperwork in front of me, and then went back to > somewhere in the mid normal range. > > So don't really know what caused his elevated triglycerides, but guessing it > might have been diet related, at least for him, since they responded to the > diet change, unless was just coincidence. > > Shelley > > > On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Lance wrote: > >> It's been a little while since I've posted about my 11 yro FeLV+ girl, >> Ember. We did blood work for her in late May, and her BUN and lipase levels >> were elevated. Creatinine was still within normal limits. Did a urine test, >> and she was concentrating her urine just fine. >> >> Yesterday, I took her in for skin problems she's having, which the doc >> thinks is dermatitis. We also ran blood work on her. Her BUN is now 45 (was >> 39), creatinine still normal, lipase high, and her triglycerides are now >> high. I don't have numbers for everything, but the blood work results should >> arrive this weekend. >> >> I will probably collect urine next week to test specific gravity again. >> Otherwise, I'm not sure of what to do. The doc says elevated lipase >> indicates pancreatitis in dogs, but isn't quite as definitive in cats. I did >> a little reading earlier, and I saw something about adding digestive enzymes >> to food, and that this might help with the lipase and triglyceride levels. >> Has anyone done this? Also, has anyone seen high BUN with normal creatinine >> and good specific gravity? >> >> Please let me know what you think. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Lance >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember-blood work concerns
Hi Lance, I just wanted to mention that my cat Jack, who does not have FeLV but does have heart disease and FLUTD, had high triglycerides a few years ago. That was when I was feeding grain free food with a high fat content. The vet wanted to do an abdominal ultrasound to check pancreas, etc., but I was worried about the stress if he had to be on his back, etc, with his heart disease, so even though I usually do whatever the vet suggests, I decided to just wait and recheck blood work a month or so later, and they said I could find a lower fat diet for him. Anyway, after switching to a very low fat grain free canned food, Weruva Paw-lickin Chicken, his triglycerides went back to the normal range. I think they were up in the 600's? Can't recall for sure and don't have the paperwork in front of me, and then went back to somewhere in the mid normal range. So don't really know what caused his elevated triglycerides, but guessing it might have been diet related, at least for him, since they responded to the diet change, unless was just coincidence. Shelley On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Lance wrote: > It's been a little while since I've posted about my 11 yro FeLV+ girl, Ember. > We did blood work for her in late May, and her BUN and lipase levels were > elevated. Creatinine was still within normal limits. Did a urine test, and > she was concentrating her urine just fine. > > Yesterday, I took her in for skin problems she's having, which the doc thinks > is dermatitis. We also ran blood work on her. Her BUN is now 45 (was 39), > creatinine still normal, lipase high, and her triglycerides are now high. I > don't have numbers for everything, but the blood work results should arrive > this weekend. > > I will probably collect urine next week to test specific gravity again. > Otherwise, I'm not sure of what to do. The doc says elevated lipase indicates > pancreatitis in dogs, but isn't quite as definitive in cats. I did a little > reading earlier, and I saw something about adding digestive enzymes to food, > and that this might help with the lipase and triglyceride levels. Has anyone > done this? Also, has anyone seen high BUN with normal creatinine and good > specific gravity? > > Please let me know what you think. > > Thanks, > > Lance > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember-blood work concerns
dsHavven' done it for my cats for this reason, but added Forti flora for Csey and Homey who have reoccuring bouts of bladder infections. It does help both of them. Casey is 16 and Homey is 8 going on 9. Lance wrote: > It's been a little while since I've posted about my 11 yro FeLV+ girl, Ember. > We did blood work for her in late May, and her BUN and lipase levels were > elevated. Creatinine was still within normal limits. Did a urine test, and > she was concentrating her urine just fine. > > Yesterday, I took her in for skin problems she's having, which the doc thinks > is dermatitis. We also ran blood work on her. Her BUN is now 45 (was 39), > creatinine still normal, lipase high, and her triglycerides are now high. I > don't have numbers for everything, but the blood work results should arrive > this weekend. > > I will probably collect urine next week to test specific gravity again. > Otherwise, I'm not sure of what to do. The doc says elevated lipase indicates > pancreatitis in dogs, but isn't quite as definitive in cats. I did a little > reading earlier, and I saw something about adding digestive enzymes to food, > and that this might help with the lipase and triglyceride levels. Has anyone > done this? Also, has anyone seen high BUN with normal creatinine and good > specific gravity? > > Please let me know what you think. > > Thanks, > > Lance > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ember-blood work concerns
It's been a little while since I've posted about my 11 yro FeLV+ girl, Ember. We did blood work for her in late May, and her BUN and lipase levels were elevated. Creatinine was still within normal limits. Did a urine test, and she was concentrating her urine just fine. Yesterday, I took her in for skin problems she's having, which the doc thinks is dermatitis. We also ran blood work on her. Her BUN is now 45 (was 39), creatinine still normal, lipase high, and her triglycerides are now high. I don't have numbers for everything, but the blood work results should arrive this weekend. I will probably collect urine next week to test specific gravity again. Otherwise, I'm not sure of what to do. The doc says elevated lipase indicates pancreatitis in dogs, but isn't quite as definitive in cats. I did a little reading earlier, and I saw something about adding digestive enzymes to food, and that this might help with the lipase and triglyceride levels. Has anyone done this? Also, has anyone seen high BUN with normal creatinine and good specific gravity? Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Thanks for the update, Lance Still holding a good thought for you and your little Ember! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam Glad to hear that Gribble is doing well. It's amazing how easy it is to take "normal" for granted until we deal with FeLV, cancer, or any other problem. Then, "normal" becomes a victory and a treasure. I celebrate whenever Ember eats well. The surgeon thinks that Ember has a diaphragmatic hernia, but a radiologist is going to confirm the results of the CT scan. I'd like to get her into surgery asap, as I'm concerned her symptoms are progressing. A person with a hernia is much easier, in that you can tell them to stop doing anything laborious or challenging. Cats just keep doing whatever they've always done. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I'll update when we know more. Lance On May 29, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Margo wrote: > > Hi Lance, > > They are both (knocking madly on wood) doing quite well. Better than I'd expected for Gribble, he's back to "normal" at least for him . Because his catheterization seems to be what activated his (apparently) dormant Leukemia, I'm hesitant to subject Mako to the stress of surgery. We're on a watch and wait. It's possible his "lump" has been there for a while, so who knows. His only "symptoms" (and what occasioned his testing) have been with his eyes, and most of that is only apparent in hindsight. > >I do tend to look to surgery even for cats with a mass that's likely to re-occur, if it will add to quality of life. My Pattern had oral SCC, and the growth was interfering with her eating. So it was debulked, and she was able to spend another 10 months with only minor hitches. We didn't use any kind of chemo, only because it has not been shown to have much effect on this disease. > >Hoping everything goes wonderfully, we're crossing fingers, toes, paws and whiskers, > > Margo and the Kids > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Hi Lance, That's a much better diagnosis! Not a happy thing, certainly, but at least it is something manageable, and unrelated (I would think) to the FeLV. I'll keep positive thoughts and best wishes heading your way. Crossing fingers, toes, paws and whiskers, as well. All the best to Ember, and to you. Margo -Original Message- >From: Lance >Sent: Jun 2, 2013 10:42 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam > >Glad to hear that Gribble is doing well. It's amazing how easy it is to take >"normal" for granted until we deal with FeLV, cancer, or any other problem. >Then, "normal" becomes a victory and a treasure. I celebrate whenever Ember >eats well. > >The surgeon thinks that Ember has a diaphragmatic hernia, but a radiologist is >going to confirm the results of the CT scan. I'd like to get her into surgery >asap, as I'm concerned her symptoms are progressing. A person with a hernia is >much easier, in that you can tell them to stop doing anything laborious or >challenging. Cats just keep doing whatever they've always done. > >Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I'll update when we know more. > >Lance > >On May 29, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Margo wrote: > >> >> Hi Lance, >> >> They are both (knocking madly on wood) doing quite well. Better >> than I'd expected for Gribble, he's back to "normal" at least for him . >> Because his catheterization seems to be what activated his (apparently) >> dormant Leukemia, I'm hesitant to subject Mako to the stress of surgery. >> We're on a watch and wait. It's possible his "lump" has been there for a >> while, so who knows. His only "symptoms" (and what occasioned his testing) >> have been with his eyes, and most of that is only apparent in hindsight. >> >>I do tend to look to surgery even for cats with a mass that's >> likely to re-occur, if it will add to quality of life. My Pattern had oral >> SCC, and the growth was interfering with her eating. So it was debulked, and >> she was able to spend another 10 months with only minor hitches. We didn't >> use any kind of chemo, only because it has not been shown to have much >> effect on this disease. >> >>Hoping everything goes wonderfully, we're crossing fingers, toes, >> paws and whiskers, >> >> Margo and the Kids >> > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Glad to hear that Gribble is doing well. It's amazing how easy it is to take "normal" for granted until we deal with FeLV, cancer, or any other problem. Then, "normal" becomes a victory and a treasure. I celebrate whenever Ember eats well. The surgeon thinks that Ember has a diaphragmatic hernia, but a radiologist is going to confirm the results of the CT scan. I'd like to get her into surgery asap, as I'm concerned her symptoms are progressing. A person with a hernia is much easier, in that you can tell them to stop doing anything laborious or challenging. Cats just keep doing whatever they've always done. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I'll update when we know more. Lance On May 29, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Margo wrote: > > Hi Lance, > > They are both (knocking madly on wood) doing quite well. Better than > I'd expected for Gribble, he's back to "normal" at least for him . Because > his catheterization seems to be what activated his (apparently) dormant > Leukemia, I'm hesitant to subject Mako to the stress of surgery. We're on a > watch and wait. It's possible his "lump" has been there for a while, so who > knows. His only "symptoms" (and what occasioned his testing) have been with > his eyes, and most of that is only apparent in hindsight. > >I do tend to look to surgery even for cats with a mass that's > likely to re-occur, if it will add to quality of life. My Pattern had oral > SCC, and the growth was interfering with her eating. So it was debulked, and > she was able to spend another 10 months with only minor hitches. We didn't > use any kind of chemo, only because it has not been shown to have much effect > on this disease. > >Hoping everything goes wonderfully, we're crossing fingers, toes, > paws and whiskers, > > Margo and the Kids > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Hi Lance, They are both (knocking madly on wood) doing quite well. Better than I'd expected for Gribble, he's back to "normal" at least for him . Because his catheterization seems to be what activated his (apparently) dormant Leukemia, I'm hesitant to subject Mako to the stress of surgery. We're on a watch and wait. It's possible his "lump" has been there for a while, so who knows. His only "symptoms" (and what occasioned his testing) have been with his eyes, and most of that is only apparent in hindsight. I do tend to look to surgery even for cats with a mass that's likely to re-occur, if it will add to quality of life. My Pattern had oral SCC, and the growth was interfering with her eating. So it was debulked, and she was able to spend another 10 months with only minor hitches. We didn't use any kind of chemo, only because it has not been shown to have much effect on this disease. Hoping everything goes wonderfully, we're crossing fingers, toes, paws and whiskers, Margo and the Kids -Original Message- >From: Lance >Sent: May 28, 2013 6:26 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam > >Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. I really appreciate them. > >Margo, it's so hard to know what to do. In Ember's case, I feel like the >surgeon will probably want to go ahead with surgery, unless it's obvious that >something (other than the lung mass) is very wrong. I've seen articles online >that indicate that a thoracotomy might be performed even when the disease has >metastasized out of the lungs. I don't understand why one would put a cat >through that if he or she is only going to have to deal with another cancer >not long after recovering from the surgery. > >How is Gribble doing now? > >Lance > >On May 28, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Margo wrote: > >> >> >> Dear Lance, >> >> I hope that you will find something treatable. My Mako also has a >> mass, and we keep going back and forth with how to proceed. >> >> My thoughts will be with you and Ember, hoping for a good result. >> >> Please let us know how it goes... >> >> Margo, Mako and Gribble. > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. I really appreciate them. Margo, it's so hard to know what to do. In Ember's case, I feel like the surgeon will probably want to go ahead with surgery, unless it's obvious that something (other than the lung mass) is very wrong. I've seen articles online that indicate that a thoracotomy might be performed even when the disease has metastasized out of the lungs. I don't understand why one would put a cat through that if he or she is only going to have to deal with another cancer not long after recovering from the surgery. How is Gribble doing now? Lance On May 28, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Margo wrote: > > > Dear Lance, > > I hope that you will find something treatable. My Mako also has a > mass, and we keep going back and forth with how to proceed. > > My thoughts will be with you and Ember, hoping for a good result. > > Please let us know how it goes... > > Margo, Mako and Gribble. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Good luck Lance. You & Ember are in my thoughts. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember exam We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking myself for not having been aggressive. Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
You are all in my thoughts and prayers Sent from my iPhone. On May 28, 2013, at 13:51, "Bonnie Hogue" wrote: > Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. May all go well! > Hugs > Bonnie > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Lance > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:06 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember exam > > We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The > main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what > the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking > myself for not having been aggressive. > > Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to > remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't > pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday > night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and > give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, > and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. > > Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. > > Lance > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. May all go well! Hugs Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember exam We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking myself for not having been aggressive. Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Lance, I'm definitely keeping you and Ember in my thoughts! I hope her procedure tomorrow goes well and you get some good news. Best, -Amanda On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Lance wrote: > We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The > main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what > the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking > myself for not having been aggressive. > > Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to > remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't > pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday > night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and > give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, > and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. > > Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. > > Lance > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- "There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge" Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Dear Lance, I hope that you will find something treatable. My Mako also has a mass, and we keep going back and forth with how to proceed. My thoughts will be with you and Ember, hoping for a good result. Please let us know how it goes... Margo, Mako and Gribble. -Original Message- >From: Lance >Sent: May 28, 2013 12:05 PM >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember exam > >We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The main >reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what the lung >mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking myself for not >having been aggressive. > >Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to >remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't >pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday night, >it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and give Ember >the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, and I'd love to >have more time with her, if that's possible. > >Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. > >Lance >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ember exam
We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking myself for not having been aggressive. Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
I have been using petflow for small brand and prescription food, including tiki cat: http://www.petflow.com/ Petflow ships quickly and has pretty good deals. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 5:22 PM, wrote: > -pet Original Message - > From: Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:30:18 - (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember > I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; > http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat > and at Wags; > http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 > > > > Pet Supplies Plus carries many varieties and will order any they dont > routinely have in stock. > Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. > >^..^< > -Original Message- > >From: dlg...@windstream.net > >Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember > > > >Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. > >, > > Lance wrote: > >> I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. > Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm > feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different > brand of food as she'll eat. > >> > >> On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi > wrote: > >> > >> > Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a > little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL > > > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
-pet Original Message - From: Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:30:18 - (UTC) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat and at Wags; http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 Pet Supplies Plus carries many varieties and will order any they dont routinely have in stock. Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. >^..^< -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember > >Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. >, > Lance wrote: >> I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat >> has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a >> 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food >> as she'll eat. >> >> On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi wrote: >> >> > Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a >> > little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Smaller pet stores, not chain stores, tend to have it too. Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember http://wholepetsholistic.com/store/ I order from those folks. On May 12, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Margo wrote: I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat and at Wags; http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. ^..^< -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. , Lance wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
http://wholepetsholistic.com/store/ I order from those folks. On May 12, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Margo wrote: > I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; > > http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat > > and at Wags; > > http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 > > Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. > >> ^..^< > > > -Original Message- >> From: dlg...@windstream.net >> Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember >> >> Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. >> , >> Lance wrote: >>> I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki >>> Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her >>> a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of >>> food as she'll eat. >>> >>> On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi wrote: >>> >>>> Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a >>>> little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat and at Wags; http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. >^..^< -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember > >Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. >, > Lance wrote: >> I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat >> has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a >> 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food >> as she'll eat. >> >> On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi wrote: >> >> > Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a >> > little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. Lance wrote: > I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat > has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 > oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as > she'll eat. > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi wrote: > > > Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a > > little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Keeping you in our prayers! God bless you for all you do for them! Sent from my iPad On May 9, 2013, at 17:17, Beth wrote: > Glad to hear the update on Ember, Lance! > > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org > > > From: Lance > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember > > Thank you, Heather. We need all the thoughts, prayers, good vibes, etc. that > we can get. We're looking at possible metastasized cancer. Still monitoring a > likely mass in her lungs, and her extreme anisocoria may be caused by a small > tumor. That's an unknown right now. > > I'm glad that you've gotten such a good amount of time with Shiiva, and that > she has been one of the exceptional cases that defies what is generally > expected with cancer. I read about these cases, and while I know they're not > the norm, they do give me hope. > > I'm considering a B-12 shot for Ember. We did one about six weeks ago, and > while I'm not sure that it helped, I'm willing to give it another try. I've > been looking at Life Gold, which is the current cancer supplement made by Pet > Wellbeing. I've seen it mentioned on the Yahoo! feline cancer list. I'm > waiting to talk to the holistic vet about it before I order. I might try the > juice trick you mentioned. I hear tuna water works for that, too. > > Best to you and Shiiva, > > Lance > > On May 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Heather wrote: > >> Sending good thoughts to Ember and to you. My Shiiva (not felv+) is just >> turning 18 and I know we are at the end of her 2+ year battle with tracheal >> cancer--however, the past 2+ years have been a pure miracle since we >> initially nearly lost her to the cancer in November of 2013, and there is >> very little data on cats with this sort of cancer being successfully treated. >> >> A couple of small things that of course won't cure cancer, but I think have >> helped her appetite and keeping her feeling well are B-12 shots & fluids >> weekly. There is a supplement often mentioned on the Feline Cancer group >> called ES Clear, it was available on the Pet Wellbeing site but I don't see >> it available now, though there is another product: >> http://www.petwellbeing.com/products/cat-cancer#ingredients >> >> We like to sometimes take the juice from Fancy Feast Fish & Shrimp feast and >> add it to other foods to make them extra tasty. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Heather >> >> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Lance wrote: >> I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat >> has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a >> 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food >> as she'll eat. >> >> On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi wrote: >> >>> Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a >>> little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Glad to hear the update on Ember, Lance! Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you, Heather. We need all the thoughts, prayers, good vibes, etc. that we can get. We're looking at possible metastasized cancer. Still monitoring a likely mass in her lungs, and her extreme anisocoria may be caused by a small tumor. That's an unknown right now. I'm glad that you've gotten such a good amount of time with Shiiva, and that she has been one of the exceptional cases that defies what is generally expected with cancer. I read about these cases, and while I know they're not the norm, they do give me hope. I'm considering a B-12 shot for Ember. We did one about six weeks ago, and while I'm not sure that it helped, I'm willing to give it another try. I've been looking at Life Gold, which is the current cancer supplement made by Pet Wellbeing. I've seen it mentioned on the Yahoo! feline cancer list. I'm waiting to talk to the holistic vet about it before I order. I might try the juice trick you mentioned. I hear tuna water works for that, too. Best to you and Shiiva, Lance On May 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Heather wrote: Sending good thoughts to Ember and to you. My Shiiva (not felv+) is just turning 18 and I know we are at the end of her 2+ year battle with tracheal cancer--however, the past 2+ years have been a pure miracle since we initially nearly lost her to the cancer in November of 2013, and there is very little data on cats with this sort of cancer being successfully treated. > >A couple of small things that of course won't cure cancer, but I think have >helped her appetite and keeping her feeling well are B-12 shots & fluids >weekly. There is a supplement often mentioned on the Feline Cancer group >called ES Clear, it was available on the Pet Wellbeing site but I don't see it >available now, though there is another product: >http://www.petwellbeing.com/products/cat-cancer#ingredients > >We like to sometimes take the juice from Fancy Feast Fish & Shrimp feast and >add it to other foods to make them extra tasty. > >Best wishes, > >Heather > > >On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Lance wrote: > >I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat >has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 >oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as >she'll eat. >> >> >>On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi wrote: >> >>Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, >>though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL >>___ >>Felvtalk mailing list >>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Thank you, Heather. We need all the thoughts, prayers, good vibes, etc. that we can get. We're looking at possible metastasized cancer. Still monitoring a likely mass in her lungs, and her extreme anisocoria may be caused by a small tumor. That's an unknown right now. I'm glad that you've gotten such a good amount of time with Shiiva, and that she has been one of the exceptional cases that defies what is generally expected with cancer. I read about these cases, and while I know they're not the norm, they do give me hope. I'm considering a B-12 shot for Ember. We did one about six weeks ago, and while I'm not sure that it helped, I'm willing to give it another try. I've been looking at Life Gold, which is the current cancer supplement made by Pet Wellbeing. I've seen it mentioned on the Yahoo! feline cancer list. I'm waiting to talk to the holistic vet about it before I order. I might try the juice trick you mentioned. I hear tuna water works for that, too. Best to you and Shiiva, Lance On May 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Heather wrote: > Sending good thoughts to Ember and to you. My Shiiva (not felv+) is just > turning 18 and I know we are at the end of her 2+ year battle with tracheal > cancer--however, the past 2+ years have been a pure miracle since we > initially nearly lost her to the cancer in November of 2013, and there is > very little data on cats with this sort of cancer being successfully treated. > > A couple of small things that of course won't cure cancer, but I think have > helped her appetite and keeping her feeling well are B-12 shots & fluids > weekly. There is a supplement often mentioned on the Feline Cancer group > called ES Clear, it was available on the Pet Wellbeing site but I don't see > it available now, though there is another product: > http://www.petwellbeing.com/products/cat-cancer#ingredients > > We like to sometimes take the juice from Fancy Feast Fish & Shrimp feast and > add it to other foods to make them extra tasty. > > Best wishes, > > Heather > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Lance wrote: > I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat > has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 > oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as > she'll eat. > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi wrote: > >> Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, >> though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Sending good thoughts to Ember and to you. My Shiiva (not felv+) is just turning 18 and I know we are at the end of her 2+ year battle with tracheal cancer--however, the past 2+ years have been a pure miracle since we initially nearly lost her to the cancer in November of 2013, and there is very little data on cats with this sort of cancer being successfully treated. A couple of small things that of course won't cure cancer, but I think have helped her appetite and keeping her feeling well are B-12 shots & fluids weekly. There is a supplement often mentioned on the Feline Cancer group called ES Clear, it was available on the Pet Wellbeing site but I don't see it available now, though there is another product: http://www.petwellbeing.com/products/cat-cancer#ingredients We like to sometimes take the juice from Fancy Feast Fish & Shrimp feast and add it to other foods to make them extra tasty. Best wishes, Heather On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Lance wrote: > I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki > Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her > a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of > food as she'll eat. > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi > wrote: > > Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a > little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi wrote: > Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, > though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you for thinking of Ember, Cheri and El. She seems to be doing okay today. I got her to eat last night by feeding Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast. In another post, Christiane had suggested this as being like chocolate cake to cats, and Ember agrees. Unfortunately, the ingredients aren't the best, but at this point, just keeping her eating and well-fed seems like the main thing to do. She also likes Prescription Diet t/d, which she thinks is a treat. Before she tested positive, that's the only food she ate. I didn't know any better, but she was fine with it. On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Cheri Le wrote: Thinking and praying 4 ember!!! 💜CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats wrote: Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. El > From: lini...@fastmail.fm > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember > > Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet > visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new > cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her > treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her > sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that > she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. > > > On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > > > You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and > > prayers. > > Bonnie > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > > Lance > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember > > > > Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a > > mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster > > than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last > > night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least > > uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave > > our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. > > > > Lance > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Glad to hear she had a good night. Good luck with everything at the vet today. Best wishes & positive vibes to both of you! We know how hard these times can be… Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you for thinking of Ember, Cheri and El. She seems to be doing okay today. I got her to eat last night by feeding Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast. In another post, Christiane had suggested this as being like chocolate cake to cats, and Ember agrees. Unfortunately, the ingredients aren't the best, but at this point, just keeping her eating and well-fed seems like the main thing to do. She also likes Prescription Diet t/d, which she thinks is a treat. Before she tested positive, that's the only food she ate. I didn't know any better, but she was fine with it. On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Cheri Le wrote: Thinking and praying 4 ember!!! 💜CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats wrote: Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. El > From: lini...@fastmail.fm > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember > > Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet > visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new > cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her > treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her > sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that > she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. > > > On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > > > You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and > > prayers. > > Bonnie > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > > Lance > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember > > > > Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a > > mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster > > than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last > > night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least > > uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave > > our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. > > > > Lance > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
There is relatively new treatment for tumors and cancers. It's called Neoplasene. There is a Yahoo group called Neoplasene for Cancer. See if you can go there and get some information. I'm currently dealing with a former colony cat (tame) who has bone cancer on her right hind thigh. Although the ointment didn't do much for it - big ugly mess of a tumor broke through the skin, she is eating like a trooper and acting happy. I'm going to try the internal Neo to see if it will reduce the tumor. There is a wonderful holistic vet in San Antonio. He has saved several of my cats with "magic" formulas. Look up Neoplasene on Google and you'll find a lot of info. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! > > From: Lance >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:37 AM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember > > > >Thank you for thinking of Ember, Cheri and El. > > >She seems to be doing okay today. I got her to eat last night by feeding Fancy >Feast Classic Chicken Feast. In another post, Christiane had suggested this as >being like chocolate cake to cats, and Ember agrees. Unfortunately, the >ingredients aren't the best, but at this point, just keeping her eating and >well-fed seems like the main thing to do. > > >She also likes Prescription Diet t/d, which she thinks is a treat. Before she >tested positive, that's the only food she ate. I didn't know any better, but >she was fine with it. > > >On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Cheri Le wrote: > >Thinking and praying 4 ember!!! >> >>💜CHERI >> >>On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats >>wrote: >> >> >> >>>Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. >>>El >>> >>> >>>> From: lini...@fastmail.fm >>>> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember >>>> >>>> Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a >>>> vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get >>>> a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves >>>> her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught >>>> her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope >>>> that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: >>>> >>>> > You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and >>>> > prayers. >>>> > Bonnie >>>> > >>>> > -Original Message- >>>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >>>> > Lance >>>> > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM >>>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember >>>> > >>>> > Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has >>>> > a >>>> > mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster >>>> > than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last >>>> > night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least >>>> > uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to >>>> > leave >>>> > our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. >>>> > >>>> > Lance >>>> > ___ >>>> > Felvtalk mailing list >>>> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ___ >>>> > Felvtalk mailing list >>>> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>___ >>>Felvtalk mailing list >>>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>___ >>Felvtalk mailing list >>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Thank you for thinking of Ember, Cheri and El. She seems to be doing okay today. I got her to eat last night by feeding Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast. In another post, Christiane had suggested this as being like chocolate cake to cats, and Ember agrees. Unfortunately, the ingredients aren't the best, but at this point, just keeping her eating and well-fed seems like the main thing to do. She also likes Prescription Diet t/d, which she thinks is a treat. Before she tested positive, that's the only food she ate. I didn't know any better, but she was fine with it. On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Cheri Le wrote: > Thinking and praying 4 ember!!! > > 💜CHERI > > On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats > wrote: > >> Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. >> El >> >> > From: lini...@fastmail.fm >> > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 >> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember >> > >> > Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a >> > vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get >> > a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves >> > her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught >> > her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope >> > that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. >> > >> > >> > On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: >> > >> > > You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and >> > > prayers. >> > > Bonnie >> > > >> > > -Original Message- >> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> > > Lance >> > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM >> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember >> > > >> > > Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has >> > > a >> > > mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster >> > > than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last >> > > night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least >> > > uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to >> > > leave >> > > our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. >> > > >> > > Lance >> > > ___ >> > > Felvtalk mailing list >> > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > Felvtalk mailing list >> > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Felvtalk mailing list >> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Thinking and praying 4 ember!!! 💜CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats wrote: > Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. > El > > > From: lini...@fastmail.fm > > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember > > > > Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a > > vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get > > a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves > > her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught > > her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope > > that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > > > > > You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and > > > prayers. > > > Bonnie > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > > > Lance > > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember > > > > > > Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a > > > mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster > > > than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last > > > night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least > > > uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to > > > leave > > > our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. > > > > > > Lance > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. El > From: lini...@fastmail.fm > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember > > Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet > visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new > cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her > treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her > sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that > she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. > > > On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > > > You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and > > prayers. > > Bonnie > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > > Lance > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember > > > > Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a > > mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster > > than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last > > night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least > > uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave > > our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. > > > > Lance > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and > prayers. > Bonnie > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Lance > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember > > Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a > mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster > than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last > night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least > uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave > our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. > > Lance > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and prayers. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
You both are in my thoughts and prayers Sharyl From: Lance To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:59 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Thinking of you & Ember, Lance. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:59 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ember
Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Hi El, Thanks so much for your input. I really need to read up on lymphoma. I know that it happens not infrequently in FeLV+ cats. I will see if there's another way to get a biopsy. To get something from the mass in her lungs, they would have to open Ember up, and I'm very concerned about the ramifications that could have on her health and comfort. The mass is in a hard-to-reach place, and a straight FNA doesn't appear to be possible with it. My vet is going to talk to a holistic vet regarding Agaricus blazei. I'd just like to make sure we're all on the same page. I suspect it will be okay, as Ember is already on Transfer Factor and a DMG/Lysine supplement that's a "treat". Glad to hear that Mattie has done so well. Best wishes for you both. Lance On Mar 31, 2013, at 7:20 PM, designercats cats wrote: > Hi Lance > Ember may have lymphoma. Several of the FeLV+ cats I've had stay extremely > healthy for about 4 1/2 - 5 years and then develop lymphoma. I've had one > with cns lymphoma, another with mediastinal lymphoma, and now also Mattie. > Her tumours couldn't be removed but went away with iv chemo within the first > month. One of them took up most of her bladder so it was inoperable. > To determine what it is, and if you choose to treat it, you need biopsies > taken at a good radiologist. They can be done using ultrasound and fna. > Mattie has done extremely well on chemo and went into remission after a > month. Only one week did she have a bit low wbc but that went up. I have her > on a supplement called Onco Support by Rx Vitamins and now the Agaricus > blazei. > Hope this helps, > El > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Hi LanceEmber may have lymphoma. Several of the FeLV+ cats I've had stay extremely healthy for about 4 1/2 - 5 years and then develop lymphoma. I've had one with cns lymphoma, another with mediastinal lymphoma, and now also Mattie. Her tumours couldn't be removed but went away with iv chemo within the first month. One of them took up most of her bladder so it was inoperable.To determine what it is, and if you choose to treat it, you need biopsies taken at a good radiologist. They can be done using ultrasound and fna. Mattie has done extremely well on chemo and went into remission after a month. Only one week did she have a bit low wbc but that went up. I have her on a supplement called Onco Support by Rx Vitamins and now the Agaricus blazei. Hope this helps,El > From: lini...@fastmaail.fm > Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:52:39 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc > > We tested Ember again, and her wbc had gone back up to ~3.85, which is > "normal". Unfortunately, two other symptoms have manifested. Ember's left > pupil, which has been abnormally large due to anisocoria likely caused by > FeLV, is now fully open. We don't know why this is, but the vet thinks this > could indicate cancer. > > In addition to that, the vet x-rayed Ember to see if she might have a fungal > infection, and she found a mass in Ember's lungs. Ember doesn't have > breathing difficulties, but the mass is such that there isn't a good way to > access it. I really don't want to subject her to a thoracotomy. A urine test > turned up no antigen for a fungal infection. > > I'm not sure what to do next. The vet said that another vet could do a CT > scan. The same clinic (about an hour and a half away) could also do a test of > Ember's left eye to see if cancer is involved. I don't know what that > information would get us, however. > > Does anyone have experience with eye cancer or lung cancer in cats? I've been > reading about Agaricus blazeii thanks to KG BarnCats, and I'm hoping that > might slow the progress of whatever it is we're dealing with. I'm going to > post to the feline cancer list on Yahoo!, but I'm wondering what people here > might think. > > Thanks, > > Lance > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
We tested Ember again, and her wbc had gone back up to ~3.85, which is "normal". Unfortunately, two other symptoms have manifested. Ember's left pupil, which has been abnormally large due to anisocoria likely caused by FeLV, is now fully open. We don't know why this is, but the vet thinks this could indicate cancer. In addition to that, the vet x-rayed Ember to see if she might have a fungal infection, and she found a mass in Ember's lungs. Ember doesn't have breathing difficulties, but the mass is such that there isn't a good way to access it. I really don't want to subject her to a thoracotomy. A urine test turned up no antigen for a fungal infection. I'm not sure what to do next. The vet said that another vet could do a CT scan. The same clinic (about an hour and a half away) could also do a test of Ember's left eye to see if cancer is involved. I don't know what that information would get us, however. Does anyone have experience with eye cancer or lung cancer in cats? I've been reading about Agaricus blazeii thanks to KG BarnCats, and I'm hoping that might slow the progress of whatever it is we're dealing with. I'm going to post to the feline cancer list on Yahoo!, but I'm wondering what people here might think. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ember - update and questions
Hi everyone, I'm visiting Arkansas, and have gotten to spend some time with Ember, which has been great. We took her to the vet on Friday. Her wbc had gone up slightly from the low of her last appointment (she's at 3.39, but was at 3.11). Unfortunately, her anisocoria seems worse. The pupil in her left eye has been "open" to probably 75-80% of its full size for almost four years now, but over the last few days, I've noticed that it's now almost fully open. The vet looked in with a light, and she said that Ember's eye seems to be healthy (the blood vessels are undamaged, and she doesn't have a detached retina). However, she's concerned about it enough that she's suggested we consider an appointment with an ophthalmologist. None in town, so it would be an hour and a half drive. The vet mentioned that Ember could have a fungal infection, which concerned me. Ember has been sneezing some, though she seems much better today. The vet said that the ophthalmologist could determine more with a gentle procedure, while the vet herself would have to remove the eye to be sure and to treat. I may be mixing some things up, as it was all a little shocking. The vet has been extremely helpful with Ember. I could not ask for a better doctor. Does anyone have any experience with FeLV+ (or other immuno-compromised) cats and fungal infections? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Thanks for the info, KG. Agaricus blazeii looks very interesting. I might call the homeopathic vet we use to get her recommendation for using it. Ember has been given Transfer Factor on and off since she tested positive, and her most recent time on it has been for about two years now. It might be part of the reason that she's done so well. Best regards, Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 8:13 PM, KG BarnCats wrote: > consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from > atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru > chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his > bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his > stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is > super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a > day. > > the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa > Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno > nutrition villa lobos to find out more. > > another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the > stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune > system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more > expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over > 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be > bought on Amazon. > > good luck > KG > > > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance wrote: > Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, > too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there > haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm > considering: > > ImmunoRegulin > Virbagen Omega > LTCI > Neupogen > > I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, > she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can > help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. > > Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's > worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in > its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and > shipping is a good chunk of its cost. > > LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was > last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's > benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but > I'm still feeling cautious about it. > > I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to > call a few vets tomorrow. > > Lance > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis wrote: > >> Lance, >> >> Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and >> his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading >> more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was >> positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably >> played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too >> sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on >> Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I >> ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. >> http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet >> ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the >> injection IV. >> >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
That's great news about Danny! I hope he continues to do well. It gives me hope. Thanks! El Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:50:18 -0500 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc I gave 1/2 agaricus blazeii human capsule twice a day, so he got 600 mg/day. recommended on the pet bottle was 45 mg/lb so my dose was a little more than that. Danny went into remission in month and is still cancer free 6 years later. :) KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM, designercats cats wrote: Thank you for this timely info! One of my FeLV+ cats, Mattie was diagnosed with high grade lymphoma on Dec. 22nd. I've had her for 5 years now and she's done well. Her only symptoms were those of a bladder infection. Her bloodwork was great. She's been undergoing chemo since Dec. 27th and this last week, her lymphocyte count was a bit too low.After 4 weeks, she went into complete remission, and is doing well other than the slightly low wbc. She weighs 13 lbs, eats well, etc.. I'm also giving her onco support by rx vitamins, but no transfer factor. I was looking for something specifically to raise the wbc. I'll order this tomorrow and hopefully will get it quickly. How much did you give you cat undergoing chemo? Thank you so much again! El Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance wrote: Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulinVirbagen OmegaLTCINeupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Do you give this to FeLv cats who are cancer symptoms or can it be given to any FeLV cats? Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2013, at 21:50, KG BarnCats wrote: > I gave 1/2 agaricus blazeii human capsule twice a day, so he got 600 mg/day. > recommended on the pet bottle was 45 mg/lb so my dose was a little more than > that. Danny went into remission in month and is still cancer free 6 years > later. :) > > KG > > > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM, designercats cats > wrote: >> Thank you for this timely info! One of my FeLV+ cats, Mattie was diagnosed >> with high grade lymphoma on Dec. 22nd. I've had her for 5 years now and >> she's done well. Her only symptoms were those of a bladder infection. Her >> bloodwork was great. She's been undergoing chemo since Dec. 27th and this >> last week, her lymphocyte count was a bit too low.After 4 weeks, she went >> into complete remission, and is doing well other than the slightly low wbc. >> She weighs 13 lbs, eats well, etc.. I'm also giving her onco support by rx >> vitamins, but no transfer factor. I was looking for something specifically >> to raise the wbc. I'll order this tomorrow and hopefully will get it >> quickly. How much did you give you cat undergoing chemo? >> Thank you so much again! >> El >> >> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500 >> From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com >> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc >> >> consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from >> atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru >> chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his >> bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his >> stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is >> super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 >> a day. >> >> the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa >> Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno >> nutrition villa lobos to find out more. >> >> another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the >> stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune >> system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more >> expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over >> 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be >> bought on Amazon. >> >> good luck >> KG >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance wrote: >> Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, >> too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there >> haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. >> I'm considering: >> >> ImmunoRegulin >> Virbagen Omega >> LTCI >> Neupogen >> >> I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, >> she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I >> can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. >> >> Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and >> it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some >> success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available >> here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. >> >> LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was >> last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support >> LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few >> years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. >> >> I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to >> call a few vets tomorrow. >> >> Lance >> >> On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis wrote: >> >> Lance, >> >> Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and >> his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading >> more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was >> positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably >> played a part. He most likely threw a
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
I gave 1/2 agaricus blazeii human capsule twice a day, so he got 600 mg/day. recommended on the pet bottle was 45 mg/lb so my dose was a little more than that. Danny went into remission in month and is still cancer free 6 years later. :) KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM, designercats cats wrote: > Thank you for this timely info! One of my FeLV+ cats, Mattie was diagnosed > with high grade lymphoma on Dec. 22nd. I've had her for 5 years now and > she's done well. Her only symptoms were those of a bladder infection. Her > bloodwork was great. She's been undergoing chemo since Dec. 27th and this > last week, her lymphocyte count was a bit too low.After 4 weeks, she went > into complete remission, and is doing well other than the slightly low wbc. > She weighs 13 lbs, eats well, etc.. I'm also giving her onco support by rx > vitamins, but no transfer factor. I was looking for something specifically > to raise the wbc. I'll order this tomorrow and hopefully will get > it quickly. How much did you give you cat undergoing chemo? > Thank you so much again! > El > > -- > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500 > From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc > > consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining > from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was > going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how > great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically > but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet > food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very > expensive, about $1 a day. > > the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa > Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno > nutrition villa lobos to find out more. > > another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the > stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune > system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more > expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over > 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be > bought on Amazon. > > good luck > KG > > > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance wrote: > > Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, > too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like > there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work > best. I'm considering: > > ImmunoRegulin > Virbagen Omega > LTCI > Neupogen > > I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about > it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if > I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her > miserable. > > Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and > it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some > success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available > here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. > > LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was > last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support > LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few > years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. > > I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to > call a few vets tomorrow. > > Lance > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis wrote: > > Lance, > > Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low > and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am > reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he > was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv > probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was > too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on > Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I > ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. > http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my > vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him > the injection IV. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinf
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Thank you for this timely info! One of my FeLV+ cats, Mattie was diagnosed with high grade lymphoma on Dec. 22nd. I've had her for 5 years now and she's done well. Her only symptoms were those of a bladder infection. Her bloodwork was great. She's been undergoing chemo since Dec. 27th and this last week, her lymphocyte count was a bit too low.After 4 weeks, she went into complete remission, and is doing well other than the slightly low wbc. She weighs 13 lbs, eats well, etc.. I'm also giving her onco support by rx vitamins, but no transfer factor. I was looking for something specifically to raise the wbc. I'll order this tomorrow and hopefully will get it quickly. How much did you give you cat undergoing chemo?Thank you so much again!El Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance wrote: Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulinVirbagen OmegaLTCINeupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance wrote: > Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, > too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like > there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work > best. I'm considering: > > ImmunoRegulin > Virbagen Omega > LTCI > Neupogen > > I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about > it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if > I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her > miserable. > > Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and > it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some > success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available > here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. > > LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was > last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support > LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few > years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. > > I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to > call a few vets tomorrow. > > Lance > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis wrote: > > Lance, > > Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low > and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am > reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he > was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv > probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was > too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on > Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I > ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. > http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my > vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him > the injection IV. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulin Virbagen Omega LTCI Neupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis wrote: > Lance, > > Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and > his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading > more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was > positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably > played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too > sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on > Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I > ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. > http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet > ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the > injection IV. > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Lance wrote: > > > > Lance > > > > > > > ** ** > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Hi Lorrie, I'm very grateful for the time I've had with Ember. Given the initial information I found, I expected her to be gone within months of the positive test. There have been a few minor illnesses that have concerned me, but they have passed. I'm hopeful that Ember's very low wbc will bounce back up to her (low) normal, but I'm going to discuss treatment options with her vet on Monday. I've read that anemia is not unheard of with FeLV+ cats, and I'm sorry to hear that the ones you lost were affected that way. I hope the five-year-olds have many happy years ahead with you. Lance On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Lorrie wrote: > Hi Lance > How fortunate you are that Ember has lived so long with FelV. > You must be taking excellent care of her. Most of my FelV cats > have died at less than a year old, but two of them are now five > years old. Most of my FelV cats died of anemia with low red blood > counts not low white count. > > Lorrie > > > On 03-01, Lance wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> A few of you may remember me from years ago. My Ember tested positive for >> FeLV almost exactly seven years ago, in 2006. She was four years old then. >> There have been a few minor illnesses since that wouldn't have been >> unusual for a non-FeLV cat, but she's otherwise been very healthy. >> >> Ember's white blood cell count has been persistently low. Other than when >> she's had a few colds (when it shot up to around 7 to 7.5), it's been >> around 3.75 to 4.15. She went to the vet two days ago for a regular >> checkup, and her count is only a bit over 3. Ember's vet prescribed >> Clavamox, I assume, as a prophylactic against infection. >> >> Needless to say, this is scary news. Ember is almost 11, and we're >> probably heading toward a time when any cat's immune system would cease to >> be as efficient as it once was. For a FeLV+ cat, that's obviously >> dangerous. I'm wondering if anyone has had recent experience with any >> treatments that help stimulate white blood cell production. Please let me >> know what you think. >> >> Best wishes to all of you and your cats, >> >> Lance >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Lance How fortunate you are that Ember has lived so long with FelV. You must be taking excellent care of her. Most of my FelV cats have died at less than a year old, but two of them are now five years old. Most of my FelV cats died of anemia with low red blood counts not low white count. Lorrie On 03-01, Lance wrote: > Hi everyone, > > A few of you may remember me from years ago. My Ember tested positive for > FeLV almost exactly seven years ago, in 2006. She was four years old then. > There have been a few minor illnesses since that wouldn't have been > unusual for a non-FeLV cat, but she's otherwise been very healthy. > > Ember's white blood cell count has been persistently low. Other than when > she's had a few colds (when it shot up to around 7 to 7.5), it's been > around 3.75 to 4.15. She went to the vet two days ago for a regular > checkup, and her count is only a bit over 3. Ember's vet prescribed > Clavamox, I assume, as a prophylactic against infection. > > Needless to say, this is scary news. Ember is almost 11, and we're > probably heading toward a time when any cat's immune system would cease to > be as efficient as it once was. For a FeLV+ cat, that's obviously > dangerous. I'm wondering if anyone has had recent experience with any > treatments that help stimulate white blood cell production. Please let me > know what you think. > > Best wishes to all of you and your cats, > > Lance > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Had you euthanized him when you first found out, he and you would hve missed all that love and happy memories Sally Davis wrote: > That being said I have 7 cats that were all exposed that are still with me. > And one that passed lat summer unrelated to FeLV she was 10. > > A long time ago before we knew much about Felv I had a can named Black > Jack. He lived to be 11. He was always somewhat sickly. In the end he had a > wound infection that would not heal. My dad took him to the vet which would > be his last visit. I cherish all the time I had with him The vet said it > was Felv. He had been treated with antibiotcs several tmes. He was so very > special. > > Sally > > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That being said I have 7 cats that were all exposed that are still with me. And one that passed lat summer unrelated to FeLV she was 10. A long time ago before we knew much about Felv I had a can named Black Jack. He lived to be 11. He was always somewhat sickly. In the end he had a wound infection that would not heal. My dad took him to the vet which would be his last visit. I cherish all the time I had with him The vet said it was Felv. He had been treated with antibiotcs several tmes. He was so very special. Sally > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for the information, Christiane. I'm glad that Tuscon was helped by ImmunoRegulin. I remembered this morning that about five years ago, I got into contact with a vet who had a lot of success using it with cats. Don't remember much more than that, but I think my vet might have talked to them. Virbagen Omega is another option I'm considering. I don't see many recent posts about it on the list. It's expensive, but it has a fairly good reputation. Ember goes back to the vet in two weeks, so I'll probably make some treatment choices based on what her cbc looks like then. For now, I have her on Transfer Factor, low-dose interferon alpha, and those Vetriscience lysine/DMG treats. This has been her regimen for the last year or so. Lance On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:08 AM, "Christiane Biagi" wrote: > Lance—when my Tucson had real low wbc a number of years ago, my vet gave her > a series of immune-regulin injections. Whether it was that or something > else, the wbc went back up in a few weeks. > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:14 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc > > Hi Sally, > > Thank you for thinking of Ember and I. I'm so sorry to read that all your > FeLV+ cats have gone. I remind myself that the time I've had with Ember has > been wonderful, and that she may have more time. I want to have hope, but I'm > feeling really down right now. I appreciate your prayers. Take care. > > Lance > > On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:52 AM, Sally Davis wrote: > > > > Hi Lance, > > I have thought of you recently. I remember you kindness when I was dealing > with this awful disease. All infected cats are at the Rainbow's Bridge. I > will keep Ember in my prayers. > > Sally > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Lance wrote: > Hi everyone, > > A few of you may remember me from years ago. My Ember tested positive for > FeLV almost exactly seven years ago, in 2006. She was four years old then. > There have been a few minor illnesses since that wouldn't have been unusual > for a non-FeLV cat, but she's otherwise been very healthy. > > Ember's white blood cell count has been persistently low. Other than when > she's had a few colds (when it shot up to around 7 to 7.5), it's been around > 3.75 to 4.15. She went to the vet two days ago for a regular checkup, and her > count is only a bit over 3. Ember's vet prescribed Clavamox, I assume, as a > prophylactic against infection. > > Needless to say, this is scary news. Ember is almost 11, and we're probably > heading toward a time when any cat's immune system would cease to be as > efficient as it once was. For a FeLV+ cat, that's obviously dangerous. I'm > wondering if anyone has had recent experience with any treatments that help > stimulate white blood cell production. Please let me know what you think. > > Best wishes to all of you and your cats, > > Lance > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lance-when my Tucson had real low wbc a number of years ago, my vet gave her a series of immune-regulin injections. Whether it was that or something else, the wbc went back up in a few weeks. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc Hi Sally, Thank you for thinking of Ember and I. I'm so sorry to read that all your FeLV+ cats have gone. I remind myself that the time I've had with Ember has been wonderful, and that she may have more time. I want to have hope, but I'm feeling really down right now. I appreciate your prayers. Take care. Lance On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:52 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Hi Lance, I have thought of you recently. I remember you kindness when I was dealing with this awful disease. All infected cats are at the Rainbow's Bridge. I will keep Ember in my prayers. Sally On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Lance wrote: Hi everyone, A few of you may remember me from years ago. My Ember tested positive for FeLV almost exactly seven years ago, in 2006. She was four years old then. There have been a few minor illnesses since that wouldn't have been unusual for a non-FeLV cat, but she's otherwise been very healthy. Ember's white blood cell count has been persistently low. Other than when she's had a few colds (when it shot up to around 7 to 7.5), it's been around 3.75 to 4.15. She went to the vet two days ago for a regular checkup, and her count is only a bit over 3. Ember's vet prescribed Clavamox, I assume, as a prophylactic against infection. Needless to say, this is scary news. Ember is almost 11, and we're probably heading toward a time when any cat's immune system would cease to be as efficient as it once was. For a FeLV+ cat, that's obviously dangerous. I'm wondering if anyone has had recent experience with any treatments that help stimulate white blood cell production. Please let me know what you think. Best wishes to all of you and your cats, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Hi Sally, Thank you for thinking of Ember and I. I'm so sorry to read that all your FeLV+ cats have gone. I remind myself that the time I've had with Ember has been wonderful, and that she may have more time. I want to have hope, but I'm feeling really down right now. I appreciate your prayers. Take care. Lance On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:52 AM, Sally Davis wrote: > > Hi Lance, > > I have thought of you recently. I remember you kindness when I was dealing > with this awful disease. All infected cats are at the Rainbow's Bridge. I > will keep Ember in my prayers. > > Sally > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Lance wrote: > Hi everyone, > > A few of you may remember me from years ago. My Ember tested positive for > FeLV almost exactly seven years ago, in 2006. She was four years old then. > There have been a few minor illnesses since that wouldn't have been unusual > for a non-FeLV cat, but she's otherwise been very healthy. > > Ember's white blood cell count has been persistently low. Other than when > she's had a few colds (when it shot up to around 7 to 7.5), it's been around > 3.75 to 4.15. She went to the vet two days ago for a regular checkup, and her > count is only a bit over 3. Ember's vet prescribed Clavamox, I assume, as a > prophylactic against infection. > > Needless to say, this is scary news. Ember is almost 11, and we're probably > heading toward a time when any cat's immune system would cease to be as > efficient as it once was. For a FeLV+ cat, that's obviously dangerous. I'm > wondering if anyone has had recent experience with any treatments that help > stimulate white blood cell production. Please let me know what you think. > > Best wishes to all of you and your cats, > > Lance > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Lance, I have thought of you recently. I remember you kindness when I was dealing with this awful disease. All infected cats are at the Rainbow's Bridge. I will keep Ember in my prayers. Sally On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Lance wrote: > Hi everyone, > > A few of you may remember me from years ago. My Ember tested positive for > FeLV almost exactly seven years ago, in 2006. She was four years old then. > There have been a few minor illnesses since that wouldn't have been unusual > for a non-FeLV cat, but she's otherwise been very healthy. > > Ember's white blood cell count has been persistently low. Other than when > she's had a few colds (when it shot up to around 7 to 7.5), it's been > around 3.75 to 4.15. She went to the vet two days ago for a regular > checkup, and her count is only a bit over 3. Ember's vet prescribed > Clavamox, I assume, as a prophylactic against infection. > > Needless to say, this is scary news. Ember is almost 11, and we're > probably heading toward a time when any cat's immune system would cease to > be as efficient as it once was. For a FeLV+ cat, that's obviously > dangerous. I'm wondering if anyone has had recent experience with any > treatments that help stimulate white blood cell production. Please let me > know what you think. > > Best wishes to all of you and your cats, > > Lance > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Hi everyone, A few of you may remember me from years ago. My Ember tested positive for FeLV almost exactly seven years ago, in 2006. She was four years old then. There have been a few minor illnesses since that wouldn't have been unusual for a non-FeLV cat, but she's otherwise been very healthy. Ember's white blood cell count has been persistently low. Other than when she's had a few colds (when it shot up to around 7 to 7.5), it's been around 3.75 to 4.15. She went to the vet two days ago for a regular checkup, and her count is only a bit over 3. Ember's vet prescribed Clavamox, I assume, as a prophylactic against infection. Needless to say, this is scary news. Ember is almost 11, and we're probably heading toward a time when any cat's immune system would cease to be as efficient as it once was. For a FeLV+ cat, that's obviously dangerous. I'm wondering if anyone has had recent experience with any treatments that help stimulate white blood cell production. Please let me know what you think. Best wishes to all of you and your cats, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
