Re: FW: Adobe CEO interview

[Bill Briggs]

At 5:31 PM -0400 5/18/07, Ann Zdunczyk wrote:
It is interesting that I have been hearing about paperless offices for years
but have yet to see one. Its like the people that say books are going away
and being replaced by electronic media. I, as a reader, plan to continue
reading PAPER books. I do not plan to read on a screen, I do that all day.
It is much easier to read a book at the beach, in the tub, in bed etc rather
that a laptop, PDF, etc. I do not listen to books on tape, I READ. I love
the SMELL of a book. I love the feel of a book.

I like FrameMaker. I know FrameMaker. I plan to use it until it no longer
works on ANY of the machines I have. I still use FrameMaker on my MAC. I
have been using FrameMaker since 3.0 back in the early 90's (when it was
Frame Technologies). I use it as it is.

 I'll ditto that. Dead tree based publishing isn't likely to go away any time 
soon.

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Re: OT: My Favorite Software

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:03 PM -0500 6/22/07, Mike Wickham wrote:
(Sorry, but there's no Mac version). You can make dual windows...

 That's okay. We have our own productivity tools here. Actually, the Mac UI is 
full of slick shortcuts if people bothered to learn them (many users I observe 
just don't know them). Then we have Default Folder and TypeIt4Me, two of my 
favourites. And there's AppleScript to build many custom tools I want/need. 
We're actually tricked out pretty well over here on this side. And that's not 
even mentioning the wickedly powerful Terminal application. Quick question, 
what would you do on Windows if I asked you to produce the exact result of 
47^349 ?

cheers,
 - web

P.S. The answer is (treating the slashes as line breaks):
36488198307946258455040083461931788692283021454753331068838121209621\
60168618132256654517666288905892962450773842407026457949166253600986\
62773822808929101394428757123356612225717885272866107756099535063522\
28541622697598495945714127711339367548988192999053989913912667518968\
48027317362164279655037556238733181563031879088610076781489176030311\
86871097834499844527627987425883046890564567818826714460124283388128\
53693336570118416778402837578706937499830758984555137213238296521997\
67939124567141915541148377708610174657314348459802123207919562952304\
2900446532752828112156659354115469376367
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Re: OT: My Favorite Software

[Bill Briggs]

It's Friday afternoon, and before you try to regulate what I do, learn some new 
behaviour of your own. As in, don't read it if you don't want to. You know 
where the delete key is, I presume? Wanker.

- web


At 10:21 AM -0700 6/22/07, Chris Borokowski wrote:
Please, keep the internet's longest-lasting and most
tedious argument to yourself.

--- Bill Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Quick question, what would you do on
 Windows if I asked you to produce the exact result
  of 47^349 ?
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Re: Mac Keyboard Commands

[Bill Briggs]

At 1:54 PM -0400 6/26/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote:
Ron Miller wrote:

 Mac keyboard command to select a row in a table.

Not sure, but I think it's the same as on PC: ESC THR (The wHole Row)

 I can verify that it is indeed the correct keystroke combo.

 There is also another (perhaps not well known) way to select a row (or column) 
using the mouse. If you put the mouse pointer close to a vertical cell 
boundary and double click it, you'll get the whole row selected. Similarly if 
you put it close to a horizontal cell boundary and double click it, you'll get 
the entire column selected. This saves you the bother of drag selection of a 
row or column.

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RE: How to delete trailing spaces in one go?

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:19 PM -0600 8/3/07, Combs, Richard wrote:
What am I missing?

 Nothing?

Why do people not want those spaces?

 I, like you, leave a trailing space. In fact, if I have an anchor - table or 
frame - hanging on the end of a para, I generally put an em space on either 
side of it so it's out there, obvious, and easy to select.

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Re: Virtual PC

[Bill Briggs]

At 5:12 PM -0600 8/14/07, Graeme R Forbes wrote:
One of the things I dislike about Virtual PC (7.0.3) is that I can't see any 
of the programs I installed using it. I've got WindowsXP, FrameMaker 7.1 and 
Adobe Reader for Windows somewhere on my Mac, but apparently hidden. Anyone 
know where they are? Mac OSX Panther.

 Virtual PC creates a virtual machine. That machine, on the Mac side, uses a 
single file that represents a hard disk volume. It's a file that has an image 
of everything you've installed on your Windows disk. So if Virtual PC is not 
actually running, you will not be able to find or to see any Windows 
application you installed. They are all on the virtual machine's disk, which is 
just a file, albeit a large one, from the perspective of a Mac. You can't see 
inside of that large disk image file, so you can't see the individual things 
that are installed there. To the Mac it's a file that has only one use; to be 
opened by Virtual PC.

 If you have Virtual PC running, then you can go to the Doze side and find your 
version of FrameMaker and Reader, just as you could if you were on a real Doze 
box.

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Re: Sign the FrameMaker for Mac Petition

[Bill Briggs]

At 11:16 AM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote:
If you would like to see Adobe support FrameMaker on the Mac platform, sign 
the petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?fmforosx

 What's up with the link? It's showing the HTML in my browser window. Strange.

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Re: Sign the FrameMaker for Mac Petition

[Bill Briggs]

I signed it a year or more ago, but just wanted to give you a heads up on the 
link status.

I'm assuming that one shouldn't sign it more than once lest the Adobe wonks 
think it takes credibility from the petition.

- web

At 4:18 PM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote:
Here's the correct link!

http://www.petitiononline.com/fmforosx/petition-sign.html


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On Jan 15, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Bill Briggs wrote:

At 11:16 AM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote:
If you would like to see Adobe support FrameMaker on the Mac platform, sign 
the petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?fmforosx

 What's up with the link? It's showing the HTML in my browser window. Strange.

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Re: Frame vs. Quicksilver - Please help me save Frame

[Bill Briggs]

At 4:20 PM -0500 1/18/06, Sims, Joseph wrote:
The company I work for uses Frame, Interleaf and Word in three separate
offices. (PC version) Management has requested that we create a uniform
style for documentation starting now. They're expecting us to share content
and presumably document templates. In my opinion, all of us should use
Frame, but the Interleaf users have dug in their heels. It's become a
non-constructive us vs. them conflict. As a result, I need to come up with a
list of business reasons why Interleaf is not the correct choice for the
company.

 I thought that IL was effectively a dead product

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Re: MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Bill Briggs]

At 9:00 PM -0500 2/22/06, John Huntington wrote:
OK, this jerk is spamming again.  How long will the list administrators allow 
this guy to spam the list?

 I didn't receive it. Maybe my Eudora Junk filter took it out, but I didn't 
notice that either. Are you sure it's from the list?

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Re: Find in Frame

[Bill Briggs]

At 11:31 AM -0600 3/28/06, Doug wrote:
I need to format all mentions of function keys (F1, F2...F11, F12)
with bold and enclose them in less than/greater than signs, such as
F1.  I also need to do this for the Enter key, and any other key
on a keyboard.

Is there a way to have Frame search for any instance of the capital
letter F that is located next to a number?  Using a simple wildcard
finds instances where F is next to a letter, such as FUBAR, so I need
something more than a simple wildcard.

 I'm not sure if Frame supports all of regular expressions, but it does at 
least this much. If you look for F[1-9] (minus the quote marks) you'll find 
what you want. This is the same string you'd feed grep to find it.

In the worst case, if you can't find what you're looking for in a Frame binary 
with Frame's find, you can save to MIF and use any text processor or the 
command line to grep the file for any kind of string you want. MIF can 
complicate it a bit, but it's doable.

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Re: FrameMaker Evangelist

[Bill Briggs]

At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote:
 in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker user

 I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight face. I've 
got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and it's a profoundly 
unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it works, but with the end in 
sight it's almost painful to create new documents with it. The lack of an OS X 
version of FrameMaker is the most annoying computing issue I've had in more 
than a decade.

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Re: FrameMaker on Mac

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:41 PM -0400 4/6/06, Stuart Rogers wrote:
Bill Briggs wrote:
At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote:
in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker
user

I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight
face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and
it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it
works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new
documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the
most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade.


Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was reported 
in the paper today that Apple Computer Inc. released new software yesterday 
that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s dominant Windows 
XP operating system.

(and therefore Windows versions of FM)

http://tinyurl.com/lfp96

I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one...

This is preferable to a dual boot scenario.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php

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P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil.
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OT Re: FrameMaker on Mac

[Bill Briggs]

At this stage I wouldn't even speculate on what motivates Steve Jobs, or what 
he's fanatical about. And that may have changed since his close brush with the 
mortality (pancreatic cancer). One detects a change in his outlook.

I don't know that we Mac users are fanatics. I switched from windows a little 
over a decade ago. I still have Windows machines in the labs here. I like what 
I'm using now (the Mac) and I have no interest in switching back to Windows. 
And some of my colleagues switch to the Mac every year, so we are a growing 
group. On campus there is a very large population of Mac users and the numbers 
are climbing all the time. But as concerns FrameMaker, I'll change 
documentation strategies before I change platforms, though I'll miss 
FrameMaker. I'm a bit of a nut about typography, so LaTeX will probably end up 
being good for me. It's not fanaticism. It's just preference in a platform to 
work on day in and day out. OS X provides a really nice work space whether I 
want to make a movie with some Apple software, or write a shell script in UNIX, 
or compile some C code for a PIC. It's just a great platform. It's not perfect. 
I've got my gripes with some things OS X and some things Apple, but on the 
whole I think it's about as good as it gets out there for usability and power 
on the desktop.

- web



At 2:47 PM -0400 4/6/06, Art Campbell wrote:
Too bad Jobs isn't as much a Mac fanatic as Mac fanatics are

Art

On 4/6/06, Bill Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 12:41 PM -0400 4/6/06, Stuart Rogers wrote:
 Bill Briggs wrote:
 At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote:
 in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker
 user
 
 I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight
 face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and
 it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it
 works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new
 documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the
 most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade.
 
 
 Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was 
 reported in the paper today that Apple Computer Inc. released new software 
 yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s 
 dominant Windows XP operating system.
 
 (and therefore Windows versions of FM)
 
 http://tinyurl.com/lfp96
 
 I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one...

 This is preferable to a dual boot scenario.
 http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php

 - web

 P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil.
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Re: Is it OK to remove Body Paragraph tag

[Bill Briggs]

At 4:12 PM +0300 4/6/06, Sivia Atar wrote:
My question is, is it OK to delete the paragraph tag from our templates and 
documents?

 Actually, it's fraught with danger. You know that little tag on your mattress 
that you can't tear off? Well, the same people who will arrest you if you 
remove that tag from your mattress will cart you off to jail for deleting the 
body tag. It's a summary conviction.


The reason I ask is because I see that Body paragraph tag is on the body
of the master pages. When I delete Body then there is an override on the
master page.

 That override you see, the little asterisk beside the name, just means that 
the tag is not in the catalogue, therefore the notion of an override is 
somewhat meaningless.

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Re: OT Re: FrameMaker on Mac

[Bill Briggs]

At 5:13 PM -0400 4/6/06, Rick Quatro wrote:
And I think that the increased popularity of OS X would cause Apple's hardware 
sales to increase as well.

 Maybe, maybe not. That's the tough call. It didn't work in the clone era, 
and I'm not sure it would now. Don't forget that Apple is first and foremost a 
hardware company. Revenue is tied to iron, not OS X. As a shareholder I pay 
attention to this a bit more than casually.

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Re: FrameMaker on Mac

[Bill Briggs]

I'm repeating a post I made yesterday, but this will obviate the procedures 
listed below.

This is preferable to a dual boot scenario.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php

- web

At 11:28 AM -0500 4/7/06, Peter Gold wrote:
One of the Mac lists (MacFixIt or one of those) noted that if you format the 
Windows side with FAT32, you can see both partitions from both OSs, but the 
newer default XP format exceeds the limitations of FAT32, so most users don't 
bother fighting the default.

So, you'd have to use a memory stick or email attachment or external storage 
of some kind to transfer files, plus, quit and restart OSs.

There's a Mac third-party program, MacDrive, I think it's called, that makes 
Mac-formatted drives visible on Windows. I don't know if it will work with 
MacTel under Windows. Search Google for it, and ask the manufacturer.

Under Virtual PC on Mac, you can work across the OSs, but it's slower.

HTH


Regards,

Peter Gold
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At 8:49 AM -0700 4/7/06, Gillian Flato wrote:
A colleague posed this question to me about running Apple's Boot Camp

What I would like to know is if you prepared a graphic in, say, OSX
Photoshop, and you wanted to import it into Windows FrameMaker, would
the OSes cooperate? Could you save the file across the partition?
Or would you have to copy the graphic file to a memory stick in order
for the competing OS to recognize it?

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Re: FrameMaker on Mac

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:50 PM -0700 4/7/06, David Creamer wrote:
  P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil.

It *would* be nice if the Unix version could be ported over to OS X, but the
Windows dual-boot option is not a virtualization, like Virtual PC.
It is actually running Windows on the computer.

 You missed a post or two somewhere along the line. I'm not talking about dual 
boot. Follow the link. http://www.parallels.com/
 This is virtualization, not, booting to windows. I don't want either, but dual 
booting is more inconvenient than virtual platforms.

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Re: Alignment of list numbers

[Bill Briggs]

At 3:47 PM +0100 4/24/06, Steve Rickaby wrote:
On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented on 
the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers are 
left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for 
example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.

I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course 
it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed 
right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag 
level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of 
achieving the desired alignment.

Does anyone have any ideas?

  That's an easy one. FrameMaker lets you do what you want here. Put the 
following in the autonumber format area:
 \tn+.\t
 and then add a new right tab ahead of the existing tab. Update all. Adjust the 
location of the tabs and the wrap to taste.

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Re: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker

[Bill Briggs]

At 11:47 AM -0700 4/26/06, Daniel Emory wrote:
--- Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Good post, Dan. However, I'm trying to visualize
your
 statement, ...clicking on this button produced a
 menu of links to major subject areas... The
 button part I understand, the menu of links I'm
 struggling with. A popup menu? If so, could you tell
 me how you achieve the menu of links functionality?

You asked how a popup menu is created in FrameMaker.
Here’s the procedure:

 Popups in FrameMaker are a treat. I made a little book for myself once (it had 
all sorts of stuff in it related to work, an address book, and a ton of other 
stuff) and I used it in printed form daily, but it had popups and hyperlink 
buttons for navigation in the software version. It was a great way to get 
around the book. I've used them in a few other places too, sometimes with an 
invisible button, so there was nothing in the printed version. Always loved 
that feature.

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Re: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker

[Bill Briggs]

At 1:00 PM -0700 4/26/06, FIONA HANINGTON wrote:
I would *love* to see a sample of this in action - does anyone have one that 
they would be willing to share with me?

I'm sending you a current work in progress that uses this feature.

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Re: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker

[Bill Briggs]

Yeah, it would be a really great thing to have all of FrameMaker's hypertext 
capabilities survive to PDF. But we'll see a plethora of tiny little 
Photoshop-style pallets before we'll see something useful like what Dan was 
talking about. Makes you wonder what drives the decision mechanism (if there is 
one) regarding software improvements. Once FrameMaker is reduced to a single 
platform, down from the glory days when it was on many. Two great quotes from 
the Wikipedia entry for FrameMaker.

At the height of its success, FrameMaker ran on more than thirteen UNIX 
platforms, including NeXT Computer's NeXTSTEP and IBM's AIX operating systems.

Frame Technology later ported FrameMaker to Microsoft Windows, but the company 
lost direction soon after its release.

- web


At 4:31 PM -0400 4/26/06, Rick Quatro wrote:
Hi Bill,

I agree wholeheartedly, but it's a shame that only FrameMaker users can 
benefit. As Dan said, it would be nice if all of FrameMaker's hypertext 
goodies would convert to PDF.

Rick

Popups in FrameMaker are a treat. I made a little book for myself once (it 
had all sorts of stuff in it related to work, an address book, and a ton of 
other stuff) and I used it in printed form daily, but it had popups and 
hyperlink buttons for navigation in the software version. It was a great way 
to get around the book. I've used them in a few other places too, sometimes 
with an invisible button, so there was nothing in the printed version. 
Always loved that feature.

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Re: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker

[Bill Briggs]

At 9:18 PM -0500 4/26/06, Peter Gold wrote:
Hi, Bill, Dan, and all:

At 8:46 PM -0300 4/26/06, Bill Briggs wrote:
Yeah, it would be a really great thing to have all of FrameMaker's hypertext 
capabilities survive to PDF. But we'll see a plethora of tiny little 
Photoshop-style pallets before we'll see something useful like what Dan was 
talking about. Makes you wonder what drives the decision mechanism (if there 
is one) regarding software improvements. Once FrameMaker is reduced to a 
single platform, down from the glory days when it was on many. Two great 
quotes from the Wikipedia entry for FrameMaker.

At the height of its success, FrameMaker ran on more than thirteen UNIX 
platforms, including NeXT Computer's NeXTSTEP and IBM's AIX operating 
systems.

Frame Technology later ported FrameMaker to Microsoft Windows, but the 
company lost direction soon after its release.

I'm not sure if you'd find it by digging in Wikipedia, but to put your point 
in context, it helps to know that in the early days of unix and FrameMaker, as 
with the early days of CP/M, each hardware manufacturer had a proprietary 
version of the OS, which required software to be written, converted, adapted, 
or ported to run on it. To sell these adamantly-independent hardware 
platforms, their manufacturers like Pyramid, Sequent, CGI, NeXT, and others 
PAID BIG BUCKS to companies like Frame Technology, Sybase, and others whose 
software they wanted to offer to attract customers. NeXT even bundled 
FrameMaker 3.x with its machines.

 Yes, they mention the lower pricing of the Windows version and how it was an 
issue in the Wiki. And they mention the investment of platform manufacturers. I 
just thought it was interesting that once Frame Technology got mixed up with 
the Windows world, that's when it all fell apart. Flirt with the Borg and you 
take the consequences...


In its early years, Sun required its resellers to sell a certain amount of 
software and support with each workstation, to avoid having resellers compete 
solely on bottom-dollar hardware prices and leave customers with no software 
and no support. FrameMaker on Solaris was a common component in those 
packages; both companies benefited.

Actually, FrameMaker was ported to Macintosh before Windows, because Windows 
at the time was too wimpy to support it.

 I know. I have a copy of FrameMaker 2.1 for the Mac here somewhere. But I 
didn't use it a LOT until version 3, which I'd still use ahead of Word, if that 
were the choice.

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RE: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker

[Bill Briggs]

At 6:42 AM -0500 4/27/06, Peter Gold wrote:
Hi, Bill:

At 8:23 AM -0300 4/27/06, Bill Briggs wrote:
At 7:14 AM -0400 4/27/06, Batsford, Steve wrote:
Rick,

My sentiment exactly.
The popups and all of the available links SOUND cool. But in the real
world all my content to my end users is in PDF.

 There used to be a product called FrameViewer, and you could view other 
 people's FrameMaker documents with it. In FV all of the popups worked. Of 
 course FV died after Adobe took over the product.

FrameViewer was FrameMaker, just crippled to prevent authoring. It was 
expensive to purchase for just a product that reads and prints FrameMaker 
files, and it was also expensive in the amount of storage space and machine 
resources it required in those days.

 I know. And as someone already mentioned, there was FrameReader, v5.1 of which 
is still available for download at the Adobe web site.  I forget right off the 
top of my head what the difference was between Reader and Viewer.


Adobe's not the villain here, IMO. Acrobat's PDF is more versatile for 
distributing files for reading, commenting, printing, information-collecting, 
and publishing for more applications beyond FrameMaker.

 Nobody is disputing that. But if the company that owns both is using its head, 
it would roll those really nice features of FrameMaker that we've been lauding 
into PDF functionality.


You might say that Windows is a more likely villain, because on unix, 
FrameMaker's floating licensing approach minimized the need to purchase one 
license per user. Floating licenses could be checked out, used, and checked 
in, to release them for other users. If 20 simultaneous users are likely to 
need FrameMaker at any one time, a customer needs to purchase only 20 floating 
licenses to serve an enterprise of thousands of potential users.

 It's even better than that. We bought FrameMaker for our department, and 
including techs and clerical staff we number 30 people. We got FrameMaker 
licenses for Solaris, Windows, and Mac. We were sold 10 concurrent licenses, 
even though only the UNIX version can use a license server. It was done on the 
honour system. So the mechanism exists to not buy a licence for every 
computer if your usage habits are such that it's not warranted. We also paid 
in advance for the upgrade, and given that no Mac upgrade ever surfaced, I 
think we were treated unethically by Adobe. Even the Windows upgrade from 7 to 
7.1 was not worth it.

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Re: Need Help Automating FrameMaker Processes

[Bill Briggs]

At 9:39 AM -0400 4/28/06, Loren R. Elks wrote:
Our company currently has a documentation set of 53 FrameMaker books that we 
PDF for easy access. We create PDFs using the TimeSavers utility to preserve 
link integrity. To do this we first have to open each book separately. Then we 
must run UPDATE BOOK on each FrameMaker book.  Each book must then be saved as 
an individual PDF file.

Is there a more automated way to create PDFs from 53 FrameMaker books? Or is 
there a quicker way to set up this process from FrameMaker? Are there any 
programs that could help automate these processes? Do your companies hold any 
best practices that we could benefit from?

 You didn't say what platform you were on. If you were on a Mac then it's an 
easy thing to do with AppleScript. You can automate all sorts of FrameMaker 
tasks with AppleScript, including this.

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RE: Need Help Automating FrameMaker Processes

[Bill Briggs]

At 6:37 PM +0100 4/28/06, Steve Rickaby wrote:
AppleScript is niche, FrameScript is niche.

 Writing AppleScript for FrameMaker is as nichy as it gets. I know maybe half 
a dozen people who use AppleScript with FrameMaker. I think all but one of them 
is on this list. And it's truly a pity that it is so niche. And it's a pity 
because the stuff you can do with it in terms of workflow are truly awesome. 
Just as an example, I wrote a manuscript cleaner once to clean up and apply a 
template to documents I was setting for the local government. It reduced a 6 
hour manual job (even if you knew all of the ways to speed up the cleanup with 
global changes, etc) into a double click. The script cleaned a 100 page 
manuscript in about 15 minutes. There were about 30 tests run on each paragraph 
(fixed the punctuation of latinisms, turned double hyphens to proper dashes, 
deleted empty paragraphs, turned manually numbered paragraphs into proper 
autonumbered lists, etc.), and in the end there was very little manual work to 
do cleaning up tables. It even applied the template to the raw text file. 
You've got to love something that does this. Took three hours to write the 
script, so it saved three hours the first time it was used.

  But AppleScript's interapplication communication is its big benefit. And 
whoever said that Apple doesn't do enough to promote it is right. I write 
scripts every day of life, and have saved myself thousands of hours of manual 
drudgery in the process. The UNIX shell and the ability of AppleScript to run 
shell scripts and process stdout has only magnified that power exponentially. 
Most Mac users I know are blissfully ignorant of both of these things 
(AppleScript and the UNIX shell). I can't imagine how they get anything done. 
I'd go crazy doing things manually that I see people doing on their Macs every 
day.

 Okay. I'm going home to have a beer.

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RE: Smart spaces

[Bill Briggs]

What would be nice is if you could make the default new document have it turned 
on.

- web

At 11:24 AM +1000 5/5/06, Partridge, Robert wrote:
Ignore me... I forgot the setting is saved in the document, it's not an
ini file setting. Once changed and saved it is always true for that
document.

Rob

-Original Message-

I seem to remember some way of turning the smart spaces option off by
default in FrameMaker with the ini file. But I can't seem to find out
how to do it. Is it possible? Or am I just dreaming?
 
Rob
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Re: Smart spaces

[Bill Briggs]

No such animal in the Mac install.

 - web

At 7:39 PM -0600 5/4/06, Ian Hawkins wrote:
You can. Using FrameMaker, open the file 
FrameMakerInstallationDirectory\fminit\custom. This is a FrameMaker file, 
even without the .fm extension. This file is used as the default template. 
Change the smart spaces setting and save the file.

Ian

Bill Briggs wrote:

What would be nice is if you could make the default new document have it 
turned on.

- web
 

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Re: Hex code Z and z

[Bill Briggs]

At 2:16 PM +0200 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote:
I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character 
set PDF. Where to find?

 The Hex values are thus:

 Z = 5A

 z = 7A

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RE: Hex code Z and z

[Bill Briggs]

But the ones you have written aren't characters Z and z, but rather they are 
accented characters (Z or z with a caron, or hacek). They are in the upper 128 
of an 8-bit char table and will vary depending on the char set. If you look 
here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/latin2.html
at ISO 8859-2 Latin Alphabet 2 then they map differently from the mapping you 
have indicated below. You must be using a different char set. In any event, you 
asked for plain Z and z, which is not what you've indicated below.

- web

At 2:39 PM +0200 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote:
ok, I found it (saved FM as MIF):
entity zcaron is fm char \xfe;
entity Zcaron is fm char \xfa;


Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards,

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-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:23 PM
To: Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)
Subject: Re: Hex code Z and z


Hello,

I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character 
set PDF. Where to find?

Wim

z = 7A

Z = 5A

(Or at least, that's what PopChar is telling me.)
--
Steve
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RE: Need Help Mac to PC

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:16 PM +0200 5/22/06, Harro de Jong wrote:
And another (This is starting to sound like the Spanish inquisition
sketch from Monty Python): the PC FrameMaker version doesn't support the
Publish  Subscribe mechanism.

 Pict images from the Mac don't work on the PC side. EPS files with Pict 
previews should print okay, but will look like gray boxes.

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Adobe User Experience Recruiter

[Bill Briggs]

Yesterday I received a note from this User Experience Recruiter at Adobe. The 
originating address looks legit. Did any one else get this note? Is Marisa 
Lenhardt a legit entity at Adobe? If so, I may take her up on the offer to 
contribute.

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Re: AW: table anchors - best practices?

[Bill Briggs]

At 3:35 PM +0200 6/28/06, Reng, Winfried wrote:
Hi,

 Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am
 currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are
 many situations where you have table after table with no text
 inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique
 tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so
 now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants
 to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say.

I have also a document with several 100 tables one after the
other. Previously they were anchored in a single paragraph
(anchor). But it was impossible to change the order manually
or insert anything. Therefore I changed that so that each table
is now anchored in its own paragraph (with the help of
FrameScript).

 If you're hanging many table anchors in a single paragraph tag then I've 
always found it useful to put an em space between the anchors. Then you can 
select table anchors individually with ease, if necessary.

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RE: OT: Syntax for if/then statement

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:33 PM -0600 6/29/06, Grant Hogarth, self-professed pedant, wrote:
To build still further on Eric's excellent discourse:

There also exists the possibility of a conditional dependency of action.
   E.g. If your book wins a Pulitzer, [then] you
 [will/can/must/shall/may/ought to/...] celebrate...


- If A, then B (explicit consequence, implied (but not required)
order)
- If A and B   (explicit connection, both elements required)
- If A, and then B (explicit consequence, conditions must occur in fixed
order)
- If A, B  (explict set construction with tacit connection, but
no required sequence)

In the first three of these, the time separation element is implied as a
requirement;

 Sorry, but that's not so. My example in a previous message has no time element 
and satisfies the first just fine thank you. It's not necessary that these 
things are sequences of instructions, they can be existing conditions, which is 
how the constructs arise in logic and in programming any kind of logic based 
system.

 Further, the first instance is a complete notion. The second and third are not 
and require a consequence to complete the statement. The last is totally 
unclear to me. Is it if A and B or if A or B or if A given B or something 
else? It is not possible to ascertain from what you've written.

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Re: Memory in Mac Classic

[Bill Briggs]

At 10:16 PM -0600 8/4/06, Ed Rush wrote:
In real Mac OS 9 and earlier, you would increase the memory allotted to 
FrameMaker (or any app) by typing a number in the app's Information window 
(command-I). In Classic under OS 10.4, however, I'm seeing this grayed out. It 
won't let me up the memory.

Does anyone here know of a way around this? I need to accommodate a big book, 
and FM can't open all of the files at once.

 You might try this, if you have an OS 9 Mac handy. Set the memory for 
FrameMaker on the OS 9 Mac and copy the file to the Classic environment on the 
OS X machine. It goes here:
/Files from OS 9/System Folder/Preferences/

 This untested, but it's the first thing I'd try.

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Re: Memory in Mac Classic

[Bill Briggs]

At 11:03 AM -0300 8/5/06, Bill Briggs wrote:
At 10:16 PM -0600 8/4/06, Ed Rush wrote:
In real Mac OS 9 and earlier, you would increase the memory allotted to 
FrameMaker (or any app) by typing a number in the app's Information window 
(command-I). In Classic under OS 10.4, however, I'm seeing this grayed out. 
It won't let me up the memory.

Does anyone here know of a way around this? I need to accommodate a big book, 
and FM can't open all of the files at once.

 You might try this, if you have an OS 9 Mac handy. Set the memory for 
 FrameMaker on the OS 9 Mac and copy the file to the Classic environment on 
 the OS X machine. It goes here:
/Files from OS 9/System Folder/Preferences/

 This untested, but it's the first thing I'd try.

 That should be copy the FrameMaker preferences file...

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[slightly OT, but relevant] MS kills VPC

[Bill Briggs]

You knew it was bound to happen...
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/08/07/vpc/index.php

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Re: Leader Dots Not Appearing on TOC

[Bill Briggs]

At 8:45 PM -0400 8/8/06, Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. wrote:
Good morning fellow Acrobats and Framers
First, the setup:  Frame 7.0p579, Acrobat 5.0.5

Okay, I generated a TOC.  The process went flawlessly.  The leader dots from
the heading*X*TOC to the page number appear.  That's not the problem.

The problem occurs twofold:

a.  When printing to a physical printer, the first row of leader dots
appears, but the second and subsequent rows do not appear.

b.  Well, then I decided to print to a .ps file, then render to a .PDF,
thinking I can beat this problem via the PDF side of the house.same
result.  The document is picture-perfect except for the leader dots.they
don't appear in the document for other than the first row.

Any hints, tips, or tricks would be most appreciated.

Regards and thanks

 Sounds like you didn't Update all when you were on the Ref page. You need to 
apply that style update on the ref page, not the body page. If you do it only 
on the body page, it won't take. Then make sure that the style is applied to 
all of the tags on the body page, or you won't get what you want. This is one 
of those rare freaky little twists in FrameMaker. There aren't a lot of them, 
but this little honey is one of the more obscure of the lot.

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Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Bill Briggs]

FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly drawn and 
pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people on the list have 
tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they will comment. If you're 
interested I'll try to find them. I've not used them in quite some time.

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At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote:
Hi, all,
I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but 
when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize 
well. Anyone have any suggestions??
Beth
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Re: 2 blank pages

[Bill Briggs]

At 5:26 PM +0300 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility under 
Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?

 One possibility is that upon generation of the book the penultimate index page 
has a lone trailing empty paragraph on it (the end of flow marker would be 
visible) and that page makes the page count odd for the file. If your setup is 
to make page count even for that file, then Frame would add an additional page 
to the index to satisfy that criterion.

 But whatever it is, it's definitely fixable. :-)

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RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Bill Briggs]

And if they are done in FrameMaker using the primitives I made they get spell 
checked along with the rest of the document. That's worth something.

- web

At 9:00 AM -0700 9/14/06, Gillian Flato wrote:
Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
for that.

Just something to keep in mind.

I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
specific reason.


Thank you,

Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
Nanometrics, Inc.


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Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame

FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly
drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people
on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they
will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used
them in quite some time.

 - web

At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote:
Hi, all,
I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
Beth
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Re: OT: Pubsnet out of office reply bounces

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At 10:32 AM -0700 9/14/06, Don Laux wrote:
Is anyone else receiving a bunch of out of office reply and thanks for
your resume auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter?

 Yup. It was a trickle, now it's a stream. I'd like it stopped completely, 
before it becomes a flood.

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Re: OT: Pubsnet out of office reply bounces

[Bill Briggs]

So far I haven't noticed them at my work address (this is my personal address). 
But then there are university spam filters at work on that one.

- web

At 10:05 AM -0400 9/15/06, Bill Swallow wrote:
I've been receiving them for quite some time now. I have yet to
receive a response. Further, addresses I do not use for professional
networking (like my at-work address, which I reserve for at-work mail)
somehow is receiving these. I'd really like to know where Pubsnet got
these addresses from.

On 9/14/06, Bill Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:32 AM -0700 9/14/06, Don Laux wrote:
Is anyone else receiving a bunch of out of office reply and thanks for
your resume auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter?

 Yup. It was a trickle, now it's a stream. I'd like it stopped completely, 
 before it becomes a flood.

--
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I see your OOO message and raise you a clue.

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Re: FM and crossover for mac

[Bill Briggs]

At 8:02 AM +0100 12/20/06, Amnon Yaish wrote:
Has anyone tried FrameMaker on a macintel with the Codeweavers'
CrossOver for Mac ?

 No, but FrameMaker 7.1 is on their list of supported applications.

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RE: Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2

[Bill Briggs]

At 5:25 PM + 1/9/07, Steve Rickaby wrote:
At 08:49 -0800 9/1/07, Gillian Flato wrote:

Just make it a PDF and then, in the PDF, click File  Send for Review.
Acrobat will make the PDF editable.

Caveat: You must possess Acrobat Professional 7.0 or greater. The editor
just needs the free Adobe Reader.

And Acrobat can handle line and page reflows? This is not my understanding of 
what Acrobat is about.

 PDF documents are specified page by page. So far as I know there's no way to 
reflow in Acrobat. The editing facility is to perform minor things. Given the 
way the PostScript underpinnings work I can't see how Acrobat could do more 
than that.

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Re: Dual Monitor(s) ??s

[Bill Briggs]

Not that anyone here cares, but on the Mac you don't need anything special. Add 
a graphics card and you're good to go. The OS just looks after it. If you have 
a PowerBook you just plug in the second monitor. Macs have natively supported 
up to six monitors (yes, you read that right, 6) out of the box since day 1 
(now 23 years ago). I've used two monitors for about 13 years now. Main screen 
(which is the PowerBook) on the right, tools on the big Sony to the left. I'm 
about to get a new flat panel for the office, but at home I'm keeping the big 
Sony as it's still a really good monitor.

- web

At 1:57 PM -0500 1/13/07, Richard Doll wrote:
As many of you have touted the advantages of dual monitors . . . My ??s
follow:

Replacing 4-yr. old (now too slow) Dell 360 Precision WrkStation with:
NewSys: WinXP Pro - Dell 490 PrecisionWorkStation - 2G Mem - 80Gig Hard
Drv - Dual Monitor IntFace/Contrlr
Apps: FMkr 7.2 - PShop - Illustrtr - AcrobtPro 5.05 w/Dstlr - MSWrd -
VisualBasic - ColourChameleon

Try'd 24 Wide Screen on this sys; but, aspect of wide-screen only stretches
display to fill monitor area. Such that 8.5x11-in page at 100% displays at
10.25x11 . . . like its quite chubby. Type and graphics also display
pixelized/distorted. Can change aspect to normal, but then, margins are
completely dead and type still pixcelized.
So, returning 2407 monitor for two regular (aspect) screens.

Question(s) is . . . How to direct certain apps to display on which screen
and (FMkr) how to have (para/table/structure/etc). designer drop-downs to
appear on screen2 next to the screen1 that would display the main/page
window.
And . . . should I care how the mouse knows that the right boundary of
screen #1 is really the left edge of screen #2 and will flow across? Or,
will I also need multi-mices? 8^)

best to all,
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Re: How long to learn FrameScript?

[Bill Briggs]

At 4:33 PM + 1/23/07, Steve Rickaby wrote:
I'm wary of script languages generally because of the 'macro trap'. This is my 
term for a syndrome I noticed when I was a manager in the computer industry. 
It's real easy to think, 'Right, this is a tedious process, but I can automate 
it with a script and save *tons* of time'... and then spend twice as long 
developing and testing the automation than it would have taken to do the task 
manually in the first place ;-)

I've even fallen into the macro trap myself... once, slightly scarily, with 
electronic *hardware*, during my postgrad research.

I'm sure Rick never does this, though ;-)

 I don't use FrameScript, but I've used AppleScript a lot with FrameMaker and 
many other applications. While some scripts can take a long time to write and 
debug, I've found that for the vast majority I got payback on the first use. 
One script I use only once per term,  but it saves me about 5 hours of manual 
drudgery and a bout of RSI. It took about an hour and a half to write. And 
since scripting is LOT more fun than copying and pasting data from one location 
to another, I'll go for the scripting.

 The big downside I see to scripting solutions in an organization is when you 
provide scripts to others to use and abuse. If anything changes that causes the 
script to error they need you to fix the script. Things I maintain myself for 
my own use are not an issue - I just fix them. Releasing scripts for others to 
use requires a lot more work because you need to bulletproof them and one can 
never be sure that all of the contingencies have been covered.

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Re: Replacing Framemaker

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:43 PM + 2/1/07, Steve Rickaby wrote:
I sometimes think I'd dearly like to see a head-to-head challenge between a 
competent FrameMaker user and a competent Word user (or 'FrameMaker 
'alternative of your choice' user) to perform a series of standard operations 
we take for granted in FrameMaker. Such a test could involve creating a 
template with a dozen styles, expanding that into a book, top and tailing the 
book, indexing a few paragraphs, making all the table styles consistent, and 
so on... against the clock.

 I did this exact thing at Macworld a few years ago. It was the desktop pub 
shootout, or some such title. There was a Quark expert, an ID expert, and me 
driving FrameMaker. We took turns doing things that showed the application's 
stuff and challenged the others to match it. MS Word wasn't even invited to 
the shootout as it wasn't considered a contender.

 All things considered, FrameMaker held its ground against the others. It 
couldn't match the typography of ID, and was not as graceful at doing magazine 
style layout with lots of graphics, but it kicked some butt in the area where 
we all know it shines, like number streams, cross references, conditional text, 
etc.

 There was no clear winner. It came down to choosing the right tool for the 
job. Of course ID and Quark were fighting for supremacy in the same DTP space. 
FrameMaker has a feature set that focuses on other things. But it held its own.

 My most vivid memory of the shootout was the audible gasp from Jay (who was 
driving Quark) when, with a couple of keystrokes, I imported an image into a 
table cell. Apparently that wasn't easy to do in Quark at that time.

 But then we all know the virtues of FrameMaker.

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Re: Asking a favor

[Bill Briggs]

... and breed further confusion with CMOS, which means Complementary Metal 
Oxide Semiconductor, and is commonly seen in tech writing.

- web

At 2:03 PM -0500 2/2/07, Fred Ridder wrote:
Chicago Manual of Style is often abbreviated CMoS to avoid this
confusion.



From: Stuart Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Asking a favor
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:51:40 -0500

Grant Hogarth wrote:
CMS = Content Management System (Not always equal to Contentment
management system g)


Unless the topic is style guides, in which case it's the Chicago Manual of 
Style...

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Re: Asking a favor

[Bill Briggs]

Now don't go get all serious on me. It's Friday afternoon.

At 3:07 PM -0500 2/2/07, Fred Ridder wrote:
If I'm writing a technical document (i.e. writing on a technical topic),
I might need to refer to the semiconductor type, but I am exceedingly
unlikely to ever refer to a style manual.

If I am writing about the practice of technical writing, on the other
hand, it's pretty unlikely that I will ever have to refer to types of
semiconductors, and if I do I will certainly know to expand the
acronym.

From: Bill Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Asking a favor
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:28:57 -0400

... and breed further confusion with CMOS, which means Complementary Metal 
Oxide Semiconductor, and is commonly seen in tech writing.

- web

At 2:03 PM -0500 2/2/07, Fred Ridder wrote:
Chicago Manual of Style is often abbreviated CMoS to avoid this
confusion.



From: Stuart Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Asking a favor
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:51:40 -0500

Grant Hogarth wrote:
CMS = Content Management System (Not always equal to Contentment
management system g)


Unless the topic is style guides, in which case it's the Chicago Manual of 
Style...

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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Re: Frame's future

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:40 PM -0800 2/16/07, John Posada wrote:
Subject: Re: Frame's future

 'The most important question is; how can we make sure that
 FrameMaker continues to be the tool of choice for you?'

 Put it back on the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] Macintosh.

From my perspective, it would be a dilution of a fixed amount of
resources taken away from the platform I care about for only a small
increase in market share.

 Even when they were still developing the Mac version there was only one guy 
working on the Mac code. I think they could afford that.

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Re: Frame's future

[Bill Briggs]

At 6:29 PM -0500 2/20/07, Keith Soltys wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another thing Adobe could do is look at all the plug-ins and mods that 
various people have come up with to scratch an itch -- or stem a raging 
haemorrhage.  For example, there are a whole bunch of indexing tools -- 
IXgen, emDex, Index Tools Pro, IndexRef, etc. -- suggesting that there is a 
crying need for a decent indexing interface on  a par with Cindex or Sky 
Index.

Regards,
Hedley

--

One of my suggestions in a blog post a while back is that they do something 
similar with FrameScript to what they did with WWP Standard. Include a 
run-time version of Framescript that would let people run scripts but not edit 
or write them.

It'd give the Framescript developers a bigger market to shoot at and add a lot 
of value to Frame.

 And if they brought back the Mac version you could do the same things with 
AppleScript, and even integrate FrameMaker into an automated workflow. It's a 
pity that the FrameMaker user community (on the Mac) didn't get into the 
AppleScript swing of things. I only know a hand full of Mac framers who use 
AppleScript, but those who do have speeded productivity in dozens of ways. Some 
of us here on this list have used AppleScript and FrameMaker to do some amazing 
time saving tasks. Even with the few annoying bugs in FrameMaker's AppleScript 
it was possible to do stuff that was, in a word, stunning. Watching 6 hours of 
manual effort for a VERY experienced FrameMaker user who knows the shortcuts 
reduced to a double click is a powerful motivator. In 15 minutes the script 
would finish. And it didn't make errors. The one major drag on this is that 
FrameMaker 7 has a nasty habit of throwing errors at random times when there 
are none. Requires a restart of FrameMaker. So that bug will never get fixed. 
Sigh.

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Re: Daylight savings 3 weeks earlier in US

[Bill Briggs]

At 3:27 PM -0800 2/21/07, Gillian Flato wrote:
Don't know if you guys have seen this but Daylight Savings is now 3
weeks earlier in the US. You will have to manually reset your computers.

 Not if you use a Mac. There was an OS update that fixed this. It's all going 
to happen automatically, as in the past.

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Re: OT: A comment on upgrading and support Was: Frame's future

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:58 PM -0800 2/25/07, Diane Gaskill wrote:
It seems that sometimes people upgrade just to have the latest and (hopefully) 
the greatest version of a sw product, car, music system, etc. This includes 
Frame, Vista, and whatever.  But if the new version of a product does not have 
a feature I need or has fixed a bug that has been giving me trouble, I do not 
see the point in upgrading.  Why spend the money and the time on installing 
something and take a chance on having more bugs or incompatibilities on your 
system?

There's an old saying: If it aint broke, don't fix it.

 You just made a great point. It's the very reason why most Mac FrameMaker 
users didn't update from v6 to v7 (which no doubt helped Adobe say there's no 
Mac market for FrameMaker). Nothing compelling. None of the long-standing 
annoying bugs fixed (can you say footnotes). I'd still use FrameMaker with 
the version 3 functions if the alternative was Word. Sorry, but it just worked. 
Adobe's cred with FrameMaker is low precisely because they have not addressed 
those long-standing issues. I didn't need a new colour model in FrameMaker. I 
didn't need XML (though many did). I needed FrameMaker to be cross platform (I 
work with people on Sun, Win, Mac). I needed FrameMaker to be working on my 
platform. I needed FrameMaker to have an AppleScript implementation that wasn't 
so buggy that it would cough up random errors where there were none. I needed 
Adobe to CARE about the installed user base. What I got was the finger.

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RE: A comment on upgrading and support Was: Frame's future

[Bill Briggs]

At 1:25 PM -0800 2/25/07, Denise L. Moss-Fritch wrote:
Currently our products are tested and approved for XP, however that operating 
system is becoming harder and harder to obtain. Some of our customers have 
reported they have been unable to obtain computers with XP. Certainly by later 
this year we will need to have our products tested for Vista. Just how 
different the software interface will become, what process flows will change, 
and what will become of our online help files has yet to be determined. 
Certainly during the development phase for our next release, development, QA, 
and tech pubs will all be operating with Vista so we would be using FrameMaker 
on computers running Vista.

 Sounds like you should be thankful that MS takes 5+ years between OS releases.

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Re: Frame's future

[Bill Briggs]

At 9:29 PM + 2/25/07, Paul Findon wrote:

Adobe could have pushed FrameMaker as a 1st class word processor and cut the 
price. Throw in a spreadsheet, a cut-down version of Illustrator, and a 
Powerpoint alternative and you have a whole new office platform. With 
Microsoft encroaching more and more into Adobe's markets (i.e., Expression 
Studio), Adobe may soon be wishing it had done something like this.

 Adobe already had the alternative to PowerPoint with Persuasion. And a good 
spreadsheet wouldn't be that hard to do. FrameMaker would have been the 
absolute best word processor. I think they were afraid of Microsoft. I think 
they are still afraid of MS. Unless you are a Mac-only developer you are, by 
definition, afraid of retaliation from MS if you engage in any seriously 
competitive activity. After all, they have the majority share of the OS market. 
Adobe spin doctors can protest all they want, but it's really pretty obvious. 
One of the truly great things about FrameMaker was the cross platform aspect. 
Didn't they do a great job with that.

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Re: Frame's future

[Bill Briggs]

At 9:32 PM + 2/25/07, Paul Findon wrote:
There is no law or SEC regulation that stipulates a minimum profitability for 
products, and Adobe could have simply raised the price if it really was such a 
major draw on expenses.

 And the really pathetic irony here is that Frame Technologies first got into 
financial trouble as a result of entering the Windows market. They priced it 
too low to entice the low end OS users to buy it. Oy.


Let's tackle the points:

* Cost of development: Can't be much with cheap Indian labor, up to 90% off!
* Cost of QA: Use customers as beta testers.
* Cost of support: The Web, mailing lists, and online forums cost nothing.
* Cost of marketing: Did Adobe ever market FrameMaker?
* Cost to make it MacOS X-compatible: Use cheap labor? We'd even be happy with 
a Carbon version. See below.

 I'd prefer it to be Carbon based. There are a things about Cocoa applications 
that are less desirable on several fronts.


Quote from Apple developer site: Carbon includes about 70 percent of the 
existing Mac OS APIs, covering about 95 percent of the functions used by 
applications. Because it includes most of the functions you rely on today, 
converting to Carbon is a straightforward process.

From a user's point of view, let's just imagine for a moment a FrameMaker with 
all of the authoring and publishing capabilities that we've come to rely on 
running on the world's best OS, with PDF-based Quartz imaging for beautiful 
text, graphics, and PDF compatibility, OpenType, Unicode, automated workflows 
with AppleScript, ColorSync for WYSIWYG color, and the power, reliability, and 
stability of UNIX, not to mention easy access to all of our favorite UNIX 
tools. A technical writer's nirvana.

 Amen.

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Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?

[Bill Briggs]

At 3:56 AM -0500 6/20/07, Peter Gold wrote:
>Is there any reason you can't just use two stone tablets and a chisel?

 That's only good for documents of about, hmmm, say 10 lines or so.

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OT: My Favorite Software

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:03 PM -0500 6/22/07, Mike Wickham wrote:
>(Sorry, but there's no Mac version). You can make dual windows...

 That's okay. We have our own productivity tools here. Actually, the Mac UI is 
full of slick shortcuts if people bothered to learn them (many users I observe 
just don't know them). Then we have Default Folder and TypeIt4Me, two of my 
favourites. And there's AppleScript to build many custom tools I want/need. 
We're actually tricked out pretty well over here on this side. And that's not 
even mentioning the wickedly powerful Terminal application. Quick question, 
what would you do on Windows if I asked you to produce the "exact" result of 
47^349 ?

cheers,
 - web

P.S. The answer is (treating the slashes as line breaks):
36488198307946258455040083461931788692283021454753331068838121209621\
60168618132256654517666288905892962450773842407026457949166253600986\
62773822808929101394428757123356612225717885272866107756099535063522\
28541622697598495945714127711339367548988192999053989913912667518968\
48027317362164279655037556238733181563031879088610076781489176030311\
86871097834499844527627987425883046890564567818826714460124283388128\
53693336570118416778402837578706937499830758984555137213238296521997\
67939124567141915541148377708610174657314348459802123207919562952304\
2900446532752828112156659354115469376367

Mac Keyboard Commands

[Bill Briggs]

At 1:54 PM -0400 6/26/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote:
>Ron Miller wrote:
>>
>> Mac keyboard command to select a row in a table.
>
>Not sure, but I think it's the same as on PC: ESC THR (The wHole Row)

 I can verify that it is indeed the correct keystroke combo.

 There is also another (perhaps not well known) way to select a row (or column) 
using the mouse. If you put the mouse pointer "close" to a vertical cell 
boundary and double click it, you'll get the whole row selected. Similarly if 
you put it close to a horizontal cell boundary and double click it, you'll get 
the entire column selected. This saves you the bother of "drag selection" of a 
row or column.

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test: no need to read

[Bill Briggs]

I told you there was no need to read.

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FW: Adobe CEO interview

[Bill Briggs]

At 5:31 PM -0400 5/18/07, Ann Zdunczyk wrote:
>It is interesting that I have been hearing about paperless offices for years
>but have yet to see one. Its like the people that say books are going away
>and being replaced by electronic media. I, as a reader, plan to continue
>reading PAPER books. I do not plan to read on a screen, I do that all day.
>It is much easier to read a book at the beach, in the tub, in bed etc rather
>that a laptop, PDF, etc. I do not listen to books on tape, I READ. I love
>the SMELL of a book. I love the feel of a book.
>
>I like FrameMaker. I know FrameMaker. I plan to use it until it no longer
>works on ANY of the machines I have. I still use FrameMaker on my MAC. I
>have been using FrameMaker since 3.0 back in the early 90's (when it was
>Frame Technologies). I use it as it is.

 I'll ditto that. Dead tree based publishing isn't likely to go away any time 
soon.

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FrameMaker Printing to PostScript file problem

[Bill Briggs]

I'm trying to print a document to a PostScript file for distillation, and I get 
an error I've never seen before. It says 

FrameMaker can't begin the print job.
AddResource failed.
39027:-194

Never seen this before. Anyone know what I need to look for in the file to make 
it print?

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FrameMaker Printing to PostScript file problem

[Bill Briggs]

Answering my own post. It was cured by restarting Classic and FrameMaker.

Wouldn't an OS X native version be nice.

- web

At 10:52 AM -0400 12/3/05, Bill Briggs wrote:
>I'm trying to print a document to a PostScript file for distillation, and I 
>get an error I've never seen before. It says
>
>FrameMaker can't begin the print job.
>AddResource failed.
>39027:-194
>
>Never seen this before. Anyone know what I need to look for in the file to 
>make it print?
>
>- web

Text with colored background

[Bill Briggs]

At 4:31 PM +0100 12/22/05, David ARNOULT - Marketing Operations wrote:
>Hello everybody,
> 
>Is there a possibility in FM to define a character style with a background
>color? Objective would be to define a character style with a grey background
>to mean a button in a software to click, for instance... Like in Word when
>you highlight a text in yellow... has anyone done this before in FM v7.1 on
>PC?
> 
>Thanks for your expertise!

 None of the kludges to work around this are pretty, but I like the one I use 
much better than any of the suggestions posted so far. Just put in a new 
equation, and in the equation pallet, click on Symbols, then click on start 
string. Type your text in the quotes, select the frame and use the graphics 
pallet to colour the fill as you wish, then shrinkwrap the equation. You have 
to spell carefully because the spell checking doesn't look in the equation box, 
and it doesn't break across two lines, but if it's a short bit of text then 
this isn't a problem. This is a lot less messy than fussing with tables or 
anchored frames with text strings that require manual sizing.

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FrameMaker Evangelist

[Bill Briggs]

At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote:
> in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker user

 I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight face. I've 
got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and it's a profoundly 
unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it works, but with the end in 
sight it's almost painful to create new documents with it. The lack of an OS X 
version of FrameMaker is the most annoying computing issue I've had in more 
than a decade.

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FrameMaker on Mac

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:41 PM -0400 4/6/06, Stuart Rogers wrote:
>Bill Briggs wrote:
>>At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote:
>>>in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker
>>>user
>>
>>I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight
>>face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and
>>it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it
>>works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new
>>documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the
>>most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade.
>>
>
>Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was reported 
>in the paper today that "Apple Computer Inc. released new software yesterday 
>that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s dominant Windows 
>XP operating system."
>
>(and therefore Windows versions of FM)
>
>http://tinyurl.com/lfp96
>
>I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one...

This is preferable to a dual boot scenario.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php

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P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil.

OT Re: FrameMaker on Mac

[Bill Briggs]

At this stage I wouldn't even speculate on what motivates Steve Jobs, or what 
he's fanatical about. And that may have changed since his close brush with the 
mortality (pancreatic cancer). One detects a change in his outlook.

I don't know that we Mac users are fanatics. I switched from windows a little 
over a decade ago. I still have Windows machines in the labs here. I like what 
I'm using now (the Mac) and I have no interest in switching back to Windows. 
And some of my colleagues switch to the Mac every year, so we are a growing 
group. On campus there is a very large population of Mac users and the numbers 
are climbing all the time. But as concerns FrameMaker, I'll change 
documentation strategies before I change platforms, though I'll miss 
FrameMaker. I'm a bit of a nut about typography, so LaTeX will probably end up 
being good for me. It's not fanaticism. It's just preference in a platform to 
work on day in and day out. OS X provides a really nice work space whether I 
want to make a movie with some Apple software, or write a shell script in UNIX, 
or compile some C code for a PIC. It's just a great platform. It's not perfect. 
I've got my gripes with some things OS X and some things Apple, but on the 
whole I think it's about as good as it gets out there for usability and power 
on the desktop.

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At 2:47 PM -0400 4/6/06, Art Campbell wrote:
>Too bad Jobs isn't as much a Mac fanatic as Mac fanatics are
>
>Art
>
>On 4/6/06, Bill Briggs  wrote:
>> At 12:41 PM -0400 4/6/06, Stuart Rogers wrote:
>> >Bill Briggs wrote:
>> >>At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote:
>> >>>in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker
>> >>>user
>> >>
>> >>I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight
>> >>face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and
>> >>it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it
>> >>works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new
>> >>documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the
>> >>most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was 
>> >reported in the paper today that "Apple Computer Inc. released new software 
>> >yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s 
>> >dominant Windows XP operating system."
>> >
>> >(and therefore Windows versions of FM)
>> >
>> >http://tinyurl.com/lfp96
>> >
>> >I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one...
>>
>> This is preferable to a dual boot scenario.
>> http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php
>>
>> - web
>>
>> P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil.
>> ___
>>
>
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>   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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> DoD 358

Is it OK to remove Body Paragraph tag

[Bill Briggs]

At 4:12 PM +0300 4/6/06, Sivia Atar wrote:
>My question is, is it OK to delete the paragraph tag from our templates and 
>documents?

 Actually, it's fraught with danger. You know that little tag on your mattress 
that you can't tear off? Well, the same people who will arrest you if you 
remove that tag from your mattress will cart you off to jail for deleting the 
body tag. It's a summary conviction.


>The reason I ask is because I see that Body paragraph tag is on the body
>of the master pages. When I delete Body then there is an override on the
>master page.

 That "override" you see, the little asterisk beside the name, just means that 
the tag is not in the catalogue, therefore the notion of an "override" is 
somewhat meaningless.

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OT Re: FrameMaker on Mac

[Bill Briggs]

At 5:13 PM -0400 4/6/06, Rick Quatro wrote:
>And I think that the increased popularity of OS X would cause Apple's hardware 
>sales to increase as well.

 Maybe, maybe not. That's the tough call. It didn't work in the "clone" era, 
and I'm not sure it would now. Don't forget that Apple is first and foremost a 
hardware company. Revenue is tied to iron, not OS X. As a shareholder I pay 
attention to this a bit more than casually.

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FrameMaker on Mac

[Bill Briggs]

I'm repeating a post I made yesterday, but this will obviate the procedures 
listed below.

This is preferable to a dual boot scenario.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php

- web

At 11:28 AM -0500 4/7/06, Peter Gold wrote:
>One of the Mac lists (MacFixIt or one of those) noted that if you format the 
>Windows side with FAT32, you can see both partitions from both OSs, but the 
>newer default XP format exceeds the limitations of FAT32, so most users don't 
>bother fighting the default.
>
>So, you'd have to use a memory stick or email attachment or external storage 
>of some kind to transfer files, plus, quit and restart OSs.
>
>There's a Mac third-party program, MacDrive, I think it's called, that makes 
>Mac-formatted drives visible on Windows. I don't know if it will work with 
>MacTel under Windows. Search Google for it, and ask the manufacturer.
>
>Under Virtual PC on Mac, you can work across the OSs, but it's slower.
>
>HTH
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Peter Gold
>KnowHow ProServices
>
>At 8:49 AM -0700 4/7/06, Gillian Flato wrote:
>>A colleague posed this question to me about running Apple's Boot Camp
>>
What I would like to know is if you prepared a graphic in, say, OSX
>>Photoshop, and you wanted to import it into Windows FrameMaker, would
>>the OSes cooperate? Could you save the file across the partition?
>>Or would you have to copy the graphic file to a memory stick in order
>>for the competing OS to recognize it?
>
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FrameMaker on Mac

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:50 PM -0700 4/7/06, David Creamer wrote:
> > P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil.
>
>It *would* be nice if the Unix version could be ported over to OS X, but the
>Windows dual-boot option is not a virtualization, like Virtual PC.
>It is actually running Windows on the computer.

 You missed a post or two somewhere along the line. I'm not talking about dual 
boot. Follow the link. http://www.parallels.com/
 This is virtualization, not, booting to windows. I don't want either, but dual 
booting is more inconvenient than virtual platforms.

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Alignment of list numbers

[Bill Briggs]

At 3:47 PM +0100 4/24/06, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented on 
>the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers are 
>left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for 
>example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.
>
>I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course 
>it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed 
>right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag 
>level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of 
>achieving the desired alignment.
>
>Does anyone have any ideas?

  That's an easy one. FrameMaker lets you do what you want here. Put the 
following in the autonumber format area:
 \t.\t
 and then add a new right tab ahead of the existing tab. Update all. Adjust the 
location of the tabs and the wrap to taste.

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Technical Writing Suite From Adobe

[Bill Briggs]

At 11:41 AM -0700 4/25/06, Daniel Emory wrote:
>WHAT I PROPOSE INSTEAD is that Adobe provide a new
>version of FrameMaker that includes (in addition to
>all the existing link types) the new types specified
>in the XLink standard, and also provide an upgraded
>version of Acrobat that can, when a FrameMaker file is
>saved as PDF, preserve all those link types.

 Wouldn't that be a treat. I'd dance naked in the back yard if they did that. 
Well, okay, they'd have to do an OS X version to get me naked, but it would be 
a really big deal if they were to do that. I'm so tired of software upgrades 
that add bullshit features (I'm reminded of Eudora's chili peppers, and ESP 
groups, or other stuff nobody uses). A few long standing FrameMaker bugs fixed 
would be nice too (I've always dreamed of a cross-reference marker that worked).

 But I've more or less given up on Adobe doing anything to keep me on 
FrameMaker. It's a lost cause for us Mac users, and Solaris will be next to go, 
and then our department is right back to where we were before we bought 
FrameMaker 4 years ago. Adobe screwed us and torched our "solution". I'm not 
booting into any Windows OS just to use FrameMaker. The baggage of XP or Vista 
isn't worth the headache. Every time I use XP in the lab at work I am 
astonished at how convoluted it is. I'll be fine with LaTeX.

 Pity that Adobe didn't take heed of the suggestions like the ones just offered 
by Dan. Pity that they didn't fix the footnotes, make it truly cross platform 
again, and sell into the Academic publishing market. It's huge, and ripe for 
the plucking. It's now dominated by very unhappy Word users. But we'll never 
see anything done about this.

 They'll never get another cent of mine.

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Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker

[Bill Briggs]

At 11:47 AM -0700 4/26/06, Daniel Emory wrote:
>--- "Carol J. Elkins" 
>wrote:
>> Good post, Dan. However, I'm trying to visualize
>your
>> statement, "...clicking on this button produced a
>> menu of links to major subject areas..." The
>> button part I understand, the menu of links I'm
>> struggling with. A popup menu? If so, could you tell
>> me how you achieve the menu of links functionality?
>
>You asked how a popup menu is created in FrameMaker.
>Here?s the procedure:

 Popups in FrameMaker are a treat. I made a little book for myself once (it had 
all sorts of stuff in it related to work, an address book, and a ton of other 
stuff) and I used it in printed form daily, but it had popups and hyperlink 
buttons for navigation in the software version. It was a great way to get 
around the book. I've used them in a few other places too, sometimes with an 
"invisible" button, so there was nothing in the printed version. Always loved 
that feature.

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Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker

[Bill Briggs]

Yeah, it would be a really great thing to have all of FrameMaker's hypertext 
capabilities survive to PDF. But we'll see a plethora of tiny little 
Photoshop-style pallets before we'll see something useful like what Dan was 
talking about. Makes you wonder what drives the decision mechanism (if there is 
one) regarding software improvements. Once FrameMaker is reduced to a single 
platform, down from the glory days when it was on many. Two great quotes from 
the Wikipedia entry for FrameMaker.

"At the height of its success, FrameMaker ran on more than thirteen UNIX 
platforms, including NeXT Computer's NeXTSTEP and IBM's AIX operating systems."

"Frame Technology later ported FrameMaker to Microsoft Windows, but the company 
lost direction soon after its release."

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At 4:31 PM -0400 4/26/06, Rick Quatro wrote:
>Hi Bill,
>
>I agree wholeheartedly, but it's a shame that only FrameMaker users can 
>benefit. As Dan said, it would be nice if all of FrameMaker's hypertext 
>goodies would convert to PDF.
>
>Rick
>
>>Popups in FrameMaker are a treat. I made a little book for myself once (it 
>>had all sorts of stuff in it related to work, an address book, and a ton of 
>>other stuff) and I used it in printed form daily, but it had popups and 
>>hyperlink buttons for navigation in the software version. It was a great way 
>>to get around the book. I've used them in a few other places too, sometimes 
>>with an "invisible" button, so there was nothing in the printed version. 
>>Always loved that feature.
>>
>>- web

Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker

[Bill Briggs]

At 9:18 PM -0500 4/26/06, Peter Gold wrote:
>Hi, Bill, Dan, and all:
>
>At 8:46 PM -0300 4/26/06, Bill Briggs wrote:
>>Yeah, it would be a really great thing to have all of FrameMaker's hypertext 
>>capabilities survive to PDF. But we'll see a plethora of tiny little 
>>Photoshop-style pallets before we'll see something useful like what Dan was 
>>talking about. Makes you wonder what drives the decision mechanism (if there 
>>is one) regarding software improvements. Once FrameMaker is reduced to a 
>>single platform, down from the glory days when it was on many. Two great 
>>quotes from the Wikipedia entry for FrameMaker.
>>
>>"At the height of its success, FrameMaker ran on more than thirteen UNIX 
>>platforms, including NeXT Computer's NeXTSTEP and IBM's AIX operating 
>>systems."
>>
>>"Frame Technology later ported FrameMaker to Microsoft Windows, but the 
>>company lost direction soon after its release."
>
>I'm not sure if you'd find it by digging in Wikipedia, but to put your point 
>in context, it helps to know that in the early days of unix and FrameMaker, as 
>with the early days of CP/M, each hardware manufacturer had a proprietary 
>version of the OS, which required software to be written, converted, adapted, 
>or "ported" to run on it. To sell these adamantly-independent hardware 
>platforms, their manufacturers like Pyramid, Sequent, CGI, NeXT, and others 
>PAID BIG BUCKS to companies like Frame Technology, Sybase, and others whose 
>software they wanted to offer to attract customers. NeXT even bundled 
>FrameMaker 3.x with its machines.

 Yes, they mention the lower pricing of the Windows version and how it was an 
issue in the Wiki. And they mention the investment of platform manufacturers. I 
just thought it was interesting that once Frame Technology got mixed up with 
the Windows world, that's when it all fell apart. Flirt with the Borg and you 
take the consequences...


>In its early years, Sun required its resellers to sell a certain amount of 
>software and support with each workstation, to avoid having resellers compete 
>solely on bottom-dollar hardware prices and leave customers with no software 
>and no support. FrameMaker on Solaris was a common component in those 
>packages; both companies benefited.
>
>Actually, FrameMaker was ported to Macintosh before Windows, because Windows 
>at the time was too wimpy to support it.

 I know. I have a copy of FrameMaker 2.1 for the Mac here somewhere. But I 
didn't use it a LOT until version 3, which I'd still use ahead of Word, if that 
were the choice.

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Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker

[Bill Briggs]

At 7:14 AM -0400 4/27/06, Batsford, Steve wrote:
>Rick,
>
>My sentiment exactly.
>The popups and all of the available links SOUND cool. But in the real
>world all my content to my end users is in PDF.

 There used to be a product called FrameViewer, and you could view other 
people's FrameMaker documents with it. In FV all of the popups worked. Of 
course FV died after Adobe took over the product.

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Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker

[Bill Briggs]

At 6:42 AM -0500 4/27/06, Peter Gold wrote:
>Hi, Bill:
>
>At 8:23 AM -0300 4/27/06, Bill Briggs wrote:
>>At 7:14 AM -0400 4/27/06, Batsford, Steve wrote:
>>>Rick,
>>>
>>>My sentiment exactly.
>>>The popups and all of the available links SOUND cool. But in the real
>>>world all my content to my end users is in PDF.
>>
>> There used to be a product called FrameViewer, and you could view other 
>> people's FrameMaker documents with it. In FV all of the popups worked. Of 
>> course FV died after Adobe took over the product.
>
>FrameViewer was FrameMaker, just crippled to prevent authoring. It was 
>expensive to purchase for just a product that reads and prints FrameMaker 
>files, and it was also expensive in the amount of storage space and machine 
>resources it required in those days.

 I know. And as someone already mentioned, there was FrameReader, v5.1 of which 
is still available for download at the Adobe web site.  I forget right off the 
top of my head what the difference was between Reader and Viewer.


>Adobe's not the villain here, IMO. Acrobat's PDF is more versatile for 
>distributing files for reading, commenting, printing, information-collecting, 
>and publishing for more applications beyond FrameMaker.

 Nobody is disputing that. But if the company that owns both is using its head, 
it would roll those really nice features of FrameMaker that we've been lauding 
into PDF functionality.


>You might say that Windows is a more likely villain, because on unix, 
>FrameMaker's "floating" licensing approach minimized the need to purchase one 
>license per user. Floating licenses could be checked out, used, and checked 
>in, to release them for other users. If 20 simultaneous users are likely to 
>need FrameMaker at any one time, a customer needs to purchase only 20 floating 
>licenses to serve an enterprise of thousands of potential users.

 It's even better than that. We bought FrameMaker for our department, and 
including techs and clerical staff we number 30 people. We got FrameMaker 
licenses for Solaris, Windows, and Mac. We were sold 10 concurrent licenses, 
even though only the UNIX version can use a license server. It was done on the 
"honour system". So the mechanism exists to "not buy a licence for every 
computer" if your usage habits are such that it's not warranted. We also paid 
in advance for the upgrade, and given that no Mac upgrade ever surfaced, I 
think we were treated unethically by Adobe. Even the Windows upgrade from 7 to 
7.1 was not worth it.

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Need Help Automating FrameMaker Processes

[Bill Briggs]

At 9:39 AM -0400 4/28/06, Loren R. Elks wrote:
>Our company currently has a documentation set of 53 FrameMaker books that we 
>PDF for easy access. We create PDFs using the TimeSavers utility to preserve 
>link integrity. To do this we first have to open each book separately. Then we 
>must run UPDATE BOOK on each FrameMaker book.  Each book must then be saved as 
>an individual PDF file.
>
>Is there a more automated way to create PDFs from 53 FrameMaker books? Or is 
>there a quicker way to set up this process from FrameMaker? Are there any 
>programs that could help automate these processes? Do your companies hold any 
>best practices that we could benefit from?

 You didn't say what platform you were on. If you were on a Mac then it's an 
easy thing to do with AppleScript. You can automate all sorts of FrameMaker 
tasks with AppleScript, including this.

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Need Help Automating FrameMaker Processes

[Bill Briggs]

>>>Is there a more automated way to create PDFs from 53 FrameMaker
>>>books? Or is there a quicker way to set up this process from
>>>FrameMaker? Are there any programs that could help automate these
>>>processes? Do your companies hold any best practices that we could
>>>benefit from?
>>
>>I know people are probably tired of hearing this, but... Yes this can be 
>>done, but painlessly, but only on a Mac.

 Rick has already addressed this, but FrameScript on either platform can do it.


>> Using AppleScript, it is possible to automate this. I just checked FM 7's 
>> AppleScript dictionary and I was surprised at how many things were 
>> scriptable.

 Everything in the application's object model is scriptable. But it's not all 
rosy in the AppleScript and FrameMaker world. There are some bugs in the 
AppleScript implementation that are truly annoying. And with the arrival of 
FrameMaker 7 there was a tendency for the application to bail on perfectly good 
code and say that it encountered an error. It would run the code sometimes, 
then just give up on it another. This required a quit and restart of 
FrameMaker. Version 5.5.6 and version 6 were not subject to this inexplicable 
failing with AppleScripts. I'd go on with the list of AppleScript shortcomings, 
but Adobe isn't going to fix them, so it's a waste of electrons. Bugs and 
irritants notwithstanding, it's possible to do really amazing things with 
FrameMaker and AppleScript.


>>One of the things Apple has never been good at doing is promoting 
>>AppleScript, but it is still one of the best ways to automate many tasks 
>>because it can be used to automate and move data between several products.

 This is certainly AppleScript's great strength.

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Need Help Automating FrameMaker Processes

[Bill Briggs]

At 6:37 PM +0100 4/28/06, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>AppleScript is niche, FrameScript is niche.

 Writing AppleScript for FrameMaker is as "nichy" as it gets. I know maybe half 
a dozen people who use AppleScript with FrameMaker. I think all but one of them 
is on this list. And it's truly a pity that it is so niche. And it's a pity 
because the stuff you can do with it in terms of workflow are truly awesome. 
Just as an example, I wrote a manuscript cleaner once to clean up and apply a 
template to documents I was setting for the local government. It reduced a 6 
hour manual job (even if you knew all of the ways to speed up the cleanup with 
global changes, etc) into a double click. The script cleaned a 100 page 
manuscript in about 15 minutes. There were about 30 tests run on each paragraph 
(fixed the punctuation of latinisms, turned double hyphens to proper dashes, 
deleted empty paragraphs, turned manually numbered paragraphs into proper 
autonumbered lists, etc.), and in the end there was very little manual work to 
do cleaning up tables. It even applied the template to the raw text file. 
You've got to love something that does this. Took three hours to write the 
script, so it saved three hours the first time it was used.

  But AppleScript's interapplication communication is its big benefit. And 
whoever said that Apple doesn't do enough to promote it is right. I write 
scripts every day of life, and have saved myself thousands of hours of manual 
drudgery in the process. The UNIX shell and the ability of AppleScript to run 
shell scripts and process stdout has only magnified that power exponentially. 
Most Mac users I know are blissfully ignorant of both of these things 
(AppleScript and the UNIX shell). I can't imagine how they get anything done. 
I'd go crazy doing things manually that I see people doing on their Macs every 
day.

 Okay. I'm going home to have a beer.

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Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!

[Bill Briggs]

Cringley has been really out on a limb the last two or three weeks, but I'd 
love to see this one come to pass. Apple buying Adobe would be a great thing. 
Lots of publicly available information supports Cringley's speculations, but it 
still seems like a long shot. 
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060427.html

Imagine this office suite
FrameMaker (unstructured version)
spreadsheet as yet unknown, but maybe adapted from AppleWorks
Keynote
FileMaker Pro 
Acrobat suite (with Flash)

One gets the warm fuzzies.

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Memory in Mac Classic

[Bill Briggs]

At 10:16 PM -0600 8/4/06, Ed Rush wrote:
>In "real" Mac OS 9 and earlier, you would increase the memory allotted to 
>FrameMaker (or any app) by typing a number in the app's Information window 
>(command-I). In Classic under OS 10.4, however, I'm seeing this grayed out. It 
>won't let me up the memory.
>
>Does anyone here know of a way around this? I need to accommodate a big book, 
>and FM can't open all of the files at once.

 You might try this, if you have an OS 9 Mac handy. Set the memory for 
FrameMaker on the OS 9 Mac and copy the file to the Classic environment on the 
OS X machine. It goes here:
/Files from OS 9/System Folder/Preferences/

 This untested, but it's the first thing I'd try.

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Memory in Mac Classic

[Bill Briggs]

At 11:03 AM -0300 8/5/06, Bill Briggs wrote:
>At 10:16 PM -0600 8/4/06, Ed Rush wrote:
>>In "real" Mac OS 9 and earlier, you would increase the memory allotted to 
>>FrameMaker (or any app) by typing a number in the app's Information window 
>>(command-I). In Classic under OS 10.4, however, I'm seeing this grayed out. 
>>It won't let me up the memory.
>>
>>Does anyone here know of a way around this? I need to accommodate a big book, 
>>and FM can't open all of the files at once.
>
> You might try this, if you have an OS 9 Mac handy. Set the memory for 
> FrameMaker on the OS 9 Mac and copy the file to the Classic environment on 
> the OS X machine. It goes here:
>/Files from OS 9/System Folder/Preferences/
>
> This untested, but it's the first thing I'd try.

 That should be "copy the FrameMaker preferences file..."

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[slightly OT, but relevant] MS kills VPC

[Bill Briggs]

You knew it was bound to happen...
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/08/07/vpc/index.php

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Leader Dots Not Appearing on TOC

[Bill Briggs]

At 8:45 PM -0400 8/8/06, Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. wrote:
>Good morning fellow Acrobats and Framers
>First, the setup:  Frame 7.0p579, Acrobat 5.0.5
>
>Okay, I generated a TOC.  The process went flawlessly.  The leader dots from
>the heading*X*TOC to the page number appear.  That's not the problem.
>
>The problem occurs twofold:
>
>a.  When printing to a physical printer, the first row of leader dots
>appears, but the second and subsequent rows do not appear.
>
>b.  Well, then I decided to print to a .ps file, then render to a .PDF,
>thinking I can beat this problem via the PDF side of the house.same
>result.  The document is picture-perfect except for the leader dots.they
>don't appear in the document for other than the first row.
>
>Any hints, tips, or tricks would be most appreciated.
>
>Regards and thanks

 Sounds like you didn't "Update all" when you were on the Ref page. You need to 
apply that style update on the ref page, not the body page. If you do it only 
on the body page, it won't "take. Then make sure that the style is applied to 
all of the tags on the body page, or you won't get what you want. This is one 
of those rare freaky little twists in FrameMaker. There aren't a lot of them, 
but this little honey is one of the more obscure of the lot.

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FM and crossover for mac

[Bill Briggs]

At 8:02 AM +0100 12/20/06, Amnon Yaish wrote:
>Has anyone tried FrameMaker on a macintel with the Codeweavers'
>CrossOver for Mac ?

 No, but FrameMaker 7.1 is on their list of supported applications.

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MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Bill Briggs]

At 9:00 PM -0500 2/22/06, John Huntington wrote:
>OK, this jerk is spamming again.  How long will the list administrators allow 
>this guy to spam the list?

 I didn't receive it. Maybe my Eudora Junk filter took it out, but I didn't 
notice that either. Are you sure it's from the list?

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MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Bill Briggs]

At 10:40 AM -0600 2/23/06, Donald M. Rinderknecht wrote:
>Hey, if you've only gotten TWO spams this year, consider yourself way ahead of 
>the game! (I get about 200 per day it seems!)
>This list is actually very clean in terms of  SPAM.

 I've been on this list with the same address for more than a decade and (and 
several other lists as well). I get perhaps a dozen to 18 spams a day at this 
address and consider myself to be very fortunate that it's not more. At my 
university account, which I've never used on any list of any kind, I get more 
like 60 spams a day. If you've got two this year then you don't have a spam 
problem. The information from the list is way too valuable to drop your 
subscription for even 20 spams a day.

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Is there a way to...

[Bill Briggs]

Count me as also avoiding chapter numbers in books. I use the file's comments 
field (part of the file system metadata) to hold the chapter number. I can view 
this metadata in the Mac's file system and even sort on that field, so the book 
looks to be in order in the file system viewer (Finder). Renumbering that bit 
of information has no effect on cross references and the like.

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At 4:07 PM -0500 2/23/06, Bill Swallow wrote:
>I specifically avoid chapter numbers in filenames *because*
>re-ordering and re-use in another document/book is a strong
>possibility.
>
>On 2/23/06, Doug  wrote:
>> ...make FrameMaker save the chapter number as part of the filename?
>> My book has 60 chapters, and I need to add another chapter right after
>> chapter 29.  Which means I need to remove, rename, and re-add 30
>> chapters to the book.  It would be so much easier if Frame would
>> auto-name the individual chapter files, similar to how Word can do.
>
>--
>Bill Swallow
>HATT List Owner
>WWP-Users List Owner
>42.8162,-73.7736
>http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
>
>I support Char James-Tanny for STC Secretary.

Sign the FrameMaker for Mac Petition

[Bill Briggs]

At 11:16 AM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote:
>If you would like to see Adobe support FrameMaker on the Mac platform, sign 
>the petition:
>
>http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?fmforosx

 What's up with the link? It's showing the HTML in my browser window. Strange.

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Sign the FrameMaker for Mac Petition

[Bill Briggs]

I signed it a year or more ago, but just wanted to give you a heads up on the 
link status.

I'm assuming that one shouldn't sign it more than once lest the Adobe wonks 
think it takes credibility from the petition.

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At 4:18 PM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote:
>Here's the correct link!
>
>http://www.petitiononline.com/fmforosx/petition-sign.html
>
>
>==
>The Content Wrangler
>Scott Abel, Content Management Strategist
>3421 Crystal Lakes Ct., Sarasota FL 34235
>abelsp at netdirect.net  941-359-3416
>www.thecontentwrangler.com
>
>
>Recent posts to TheContentWrangler.com
>
> ~ DITA OpenToolkit
> ~ Increased Innovation With Structured Blogging
> ~ Should SMEs Create Content?
> ~ The Case for the Darwin Information Typing Architecture
> ~ Avoiding DITA Roadblocks
>
>
>On Jan 15, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Bill Briggs wrote:
>
>>At 11:16 AM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote:
>>>If you would like to see Adobe support FrameMaker on the Mac platform, sign 
>>>the petition:
>>>
>>>http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?fmforosx
>>
>> What's up with the link? It's showing the HTML in my browser window. Strange.
>>
>> - web
>>
>>
>>
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>>This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm

Frame vs. Quicksilver - Please help me save Frame

[Bill Briggs]

At 4:20 PM -0500 1/18/06, Sims, Joseph wrote:
>The company I work for uses Frame, Interleaf and Word in three separate
>offices. (PC version) Management has requested that we create a uniform
>style for documentation starting now. They're expecting us to share content
>and presumably document templates. In my opinion, all of us should use
>Frame, but the Interleaf users have dug in their heels. It's become a
>non-constructive us vs. them conflict. As a result, I need to come up with a
>list of business reasons why Interleaf is not the correct choice for the
>company.

 I thought that IL was effectively a dead product

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add Framers list to gmane.org?--Spam implications

[Bill Briggs]

At 11:00 AM -0800 1/26/06, John Posada wrote:
> > And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you
>> click on any of these links, the email is shown as
>> "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " so that spammers can't get the
>> address...
>
>I'm not concerned about spammers. I'm concerned about a solution or
>process being proposed internally with me being attributed as part of
>the solution, to find out that the solution was not exactly right for
>that problem. I check and recheck my internal documentation to make
>sure it is as accurate as I can make it and I stand behind it if
>something goes wrong. Becoming part of a solution for a problems I
>know nothing about and not being able to participate in making sure
>it is accurate is something I'd like to avoid

 Wow! I just can't relate to this perspective. Is this what living in a 
litigation-obsessed country does to one?



>Remember...the purpose of his using the posts was for internal
>support documentation. Do you want your solutions to be the fixes to
>problems that you know nothing about? Trust me...chances are you can
>be contacted with blocked email addresses and all.
>
>Give you an example. I "think" I know where Jakob Fix is from, gmail
>address not withstanding. Almost anyone can be located with a name,
>some text strings from a post, and the will to find out.

 The NSA is reading your mail and listening to your phone calls; Google, Yahoo 
and the like are building a profile on you. Is there anything of your privacy 
left to protect?

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table anchors - best practices?

[Bill Briggs]

I also use a 2pt para with white text called "frame". I hang frames in it and 
put tables in it. Sometimes the text is used as well because one can cross ref 
to it.

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At 8:12 AM -0400 6/28/06, John Sgammato wrote:
>I use a skinny little paragraph style called figure, 2pts, no space above or 
>below, centered. I always put my table and figure anchors in a figure 
>paragraph. I like the control I get, especially since I like to keep para text 
>together and not have a whole paragraph pulled to another page just so the 
>table fits.
>It is sometimes a pain in the neck selecting the invisible skinny little 
>figure para, but when you gets used to it, it becomes easier. I thought for 
>awhile of putting useful note text in the para in white, but then never had a 
>need for it. I work alone. YMMV.
>john
>
>
>
>From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com on 
>behalf of Karen Mardahl
>Sent: Wed 6/28/2006 8:03 AM
>To: framers at frameusers.com
>Subject: table anchors - best practices?
>
>
>
>Richard Combs had a comment in the thread "Question about the
>hyperlink from the LOF to the figure":
>"NOTE: There's a good case to be made for anchoring tables in their
>own empty pgf, not at the end of the preceding text pgf, but I don't
>want to complicate this any further. :-)"
>
>This made me curious! I searched the archives, and I found 2 relevant
>threads, which provided more food for thought:
>"small paragraphs for adding tables" from Sept. 1, 2005
>"RE: start a table at top of column?" from Sept 18, 2005
>
>My take on this - and I am looking for support, comments, or
>modifications - is that you should have a unique table anchor
>paragraph tag for anchoring all tables. I believe this gives you best
>overall control. Two reasons so far:
>
>1. A unique tag always gives good control over material.
>2. Wise formatting of this tag gives consistent spacing. And because
>the formatting is built into a tag, you do not have to resort to any
>manual formatting, which you might need to do, if you just
>attach/anchor the table to the preceding block of text or whatever.
>
>Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am
>currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are
>many situations where you have table after table with no text
>inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique
>tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so
>now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants
>to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say.
>Thanks!
>
>regards, Karen Mardahl
>
>PS Just FYI: Unstructured Frame 7.1p116 WinXP
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AW: table anchors - best practices?

[Bill Briggs]

At 3:35 PM +0200 6/28/06, Reng, Winfried wrote:
>Hi,
>
>> Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am
>> currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are
>> many situations where you have table after table with no text
>> inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique
>> tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so
>> now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants
>> to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say.
>
>I have also a document with several 100 tables one after the
>other. Previously they were anchored in a single paragraph
>(anchor). But it was impossible to change the order manually
>or insert anything. Therefore I changed that so that each table
>is now anchored in its own paragraph (with the help of
>FrameScript).

 If you're hanging many table anchors in a single paragraph tag then I've 
always found it useful to put an em space between the anchors. Then you can 
select table anchors individually with ease, if necessary.

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OT: Syntax for if/then statement

[Bill Briggs]

At 2:04 PM -0400 6/29/06, eric.dunn at ca.transport.bombardier.com wrote:
>Firstly, logically speaking, isn't there a difference between:
>- If A, and then B
>and
>- If A and B

 From the point of view of someone who is used to such structures in 
programming languages the first variant would never be used; the "and" would 
simply not be there.

 Once you remove the "and" the meaning is clear. If "condition specified by A 
is true" then "condition specified by B is also true. And example might be 
(with apologies to the exceptional duckbill platapus)  If it nurses its young, 
then it is a mammal. Note that if you stick the "and" in there it changes 
everything, and as someone noted earlier, it makes the sentence incomplete.

 As for the second variant, it means quite simply "If the condition specified 
by A is true and the condition specified by B is also true, ..." but it also 
needs to be completed with some kind of outcome, generally specified by a 
"...then..." construct.


>The first implies a wait or sequence between events A and B. It does not
>imply that the events are simultaneous nor that they need to be
>maintained. If A happens, stops, then six months later B happens, the
>first statement is true.

 No. If you interpret it that way you need to have some consequence to complete 
the idea.


> The second statement is true only while both
>events are happening (and they could start in any order).

 Not necessarily "events happening"; more often than not it's "existing 
conditions".


>Secondly, Why does the sentence even contain "then" in the first place?
>(You don't even include THEN in If statements in many languages.)

 Because that's how the logic is described in words when B is a subset of A, or 
a condition that is always true if A is true.

 Folks seem to be tackling this from a grammatical perspective and consulting 
style manuals. These constructs come directly from the language of mathematics. 
The addition of the word "and" (which is a logical operator in its own right) 
just serves to confuse what is perfectly clear without it by making a complete 
thought incomplete (both logically and gramatically).

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Syntax for if/then statement

[Bill Briggs]

At 2:13 PM -0400 6/29/06, Beck, Charles wrote:
>However, in the case of a conditional construct, I stand by my statement
>and conviction that most readers could not care less whether we say, "If
>such-and-such is true, then do this," or "If such-and-such is true, do
>this."

 I agree. In the second instance the "then" is implicit.

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OT: Syntax for if/then statement

[Bill Briggs]

At 2:22 PM -0400 6/29/06, T.W. Smith wrote:
>2) Click File, click New. That comma splice becomes, "Click File, then click 
>New." which is technically incorrect and ought be "Click File, and then click 
>New."

 But this isn't even the same construct. This is an imperative; a set of 
instructions: do something and then do something else. You can't put an "if" in 
front of this and have it make sense. So it's not the same construct as "If 
condition A is true, then condition B is true" (or alternately, "If condition A 
is true, then do B"). Totally different things.

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