Re: FreeBSD based router ...
small but expensive. used 486-pentium hardware is for free. 486 hardware with three NICs, a CF drive, and run off of a few watts of DC power tend not to free. that's the adventage. but edimax 6104K router with 5 ethernets running netbsd is both cheaper smaller and faster with it's 175Mhz 2 instr/cycle MIPS CPU. 16MB RAM+2MB flash isn't much but enough to fit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- mozilla, firefox, a couple others. About a week ago I viewed my homepage with KDE Konq and almost flipped out. One free commercial historical calender event feature was glued to the bottom of my blue bar (TABLE/TABLE) on the RHS of the page. And yep, the new text and other things were centered in the middle of the long blue rectangle. Since I have a few weeks now to work on things beside research, it's time to update my main web page. My friend was using IE; it may be that Konqueror uses a similar parser to position things on a .php or .html page. Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML editors in ports? I'd be much obliged for any help here. gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
Don't bother, Gary. The world is moving towards CMS systems for hosting websites. The ultra-cheapo people use godaddy's site builder and put crap on a crappy-looking interface. The better hosting companies each have their own site builders and look better, and are populated by acres of garden-variety corporate and the occassional personal sites. Very, very few people custom-write sites in HTML anymore. Most people use sitebuilding software (frontpage was the original, it's deprecated now in favor of other newer tools) either running on their PC or on the server. black text on blue is terribly hard to read for most people, read up on how the human eye works to understand why. Put your time into loading a CMS system on your server then create your site in it. Yes the learning curve is steep in the beginning but it's not rote memorization of HTML tags. It is understanding how all the things work together. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:58 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- mozilla, firefox, a couple others. About a week ago I viewed my homepage with KDE Konq and almost flipped out. One free commercial historical calender event feature was glued to the bottom of my blue bar (TABLE/TABLE) on the RHS of the page. And yep, the new text and other things were centered in the middle of the long blue rectangle. Since I have a few weeks now to work on things beside research, it's time to update my main web page. My friend was using IE; it may be that Konqueror uses a similar parser to position things on a .php or .html page. Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML editors in ports? I'd be much obliged for any help here. gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't bother, Gary. The world is moving towards CMS systems for hosting websites. The ultra-cheapo people use godaddy's site builder and put crap on a crappy-looking interface. The better hosting companies each have their own site builders and look better, and are populated by acres of garden-variety corporate and the occassional personal sites. Very, very few people custom-write sites in HTML anymore. Most people use sitebuilding software (frontpage was the original, it's deprecated now in favor of other newer tools) either running on their PC or on the server. black text on blue is terribly hard to read for most people, read up on how the human eye works to understand why. Put your time into loading a CMS system on your server then create your site in it. Yes the learning curve is steep in the beginning but it's not rote memorization of HTML tags. It is understanding how all the things work together. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:58 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- mozilla, firefox, a couple others. About a week ago I viewed my homepage with KDE Konq and almost flipped out. One free commercial historical calender event feature was glued to the bottom of my blue bar (TABLE/TABLE) on the RHS of the page. And yep, the new text and other things were centered in the middle of the long blue rectangle. Since I have a few weeks now to work on things beside research, it's time to update my main web page. My friend was using IE; it may be that Konqueror uses a similar parser to position things on a .php or .html page. Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML editors in ports? I'd be much obliged for any help here. gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org Let be the first of many to say, please do not top post. In a recent interview it was revealed that the New York Times does a lot of by hand html writing because it just gets you better html. Konq uses more or less the same rendering engine as Safari. http://iamvoodoochile.redgrapellc.com/uploaded_images/1985-741912.jpg -- break down of modern webdesign -- The Mafia way is that we pursue larger goals under the guise of personal relationships. Fisheye ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- mozilla, firefox, a couple others. About a week ago I viewed my homepage with KDE Konq and almost flipped out. One free commercial historical calender event feature was glued to the bottom of my blue bar (TABLE/TABLE) on the RHS of the page. And yep, the new text and other things were centered in the middle of the long blue rectangle. Since I have a few weeks now to work on things beside research, it's time to update my main web page. My friend was using IE; it may be that Konqueror uses a similar parser to position things on a .php or .html page. Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML editors in ports? I'd be much obliged for any help here. gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I say keep using the technique you're using now. That's what I'd do. Instead of finding a HTML Editor just find a simple text editor and write all your HTML in a clean manner. I don't know where Ted got his statistics from, but most people I know use simple text editors for writing their HTML, CSS and JavaScript. Personally I stick to vi or diakonos on BSD and Notepad2 on Windows. Christian Zachariasen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Gary Kline wrote: Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML editors in ports? It's bit OT really. But wotthehell, wotthehell. I've found the best approach is to make liberal use of http://validator.w3.org/ -- if your HTML validates correctly according to which ever standard you apply, and similarly if your CSS validates correctly as CSS 2.0 then you should get a pretty similar result in virtually all browsers. Use HTML Tidy (ports: www/tidy-devel) to clean up your HTML automatically, and strongly prefer CSS over in-line formatting as tidy steers you towards. One thing to watch out for though is an important difference between the XHTML 1.0 standard and the HTML 4.01 standard (http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/) XHTML 1.0 is an XML language and should be served using the 'application/xml+xhtml' MIME type, unlike HTML 4.01 which should be served as 'text/html' (http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xhtml-media-types-20020801/) I've found that this can make quite a difference to the way a page is rendered in FireFox. The HTML 4.01 standard is probably your best bet for maximum interoperability with all sorts of different desktop browsers, whereas XHTML is better if you need access by stuff like Mobile Phones or text-to-speech systems for the blind. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREDAAYFAkg+XgQACgkQ3jDkPpsZ+VanhwCfYBTlfL0r6Jz1iwaq7RYgfKde sYsAoKO8lsylmdCPMMcF4JRk93fJ675h =khay -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Renaming root to homer?
Hello With all those scripts trying to connect to SSHd as root, I was wondering if it'd be OK to rename this account to eg. homer, to act as a first line of defense? Are there unknown consequences to doing something like that? If not, is it done by just editing /etc/password with vi, or is there a better way? Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Renaming root to homer?
On Thursday 29 May 2008, Gilles wrote: Hello With all those scripts trying to connect to SSHd as root, I was wondering if it'd be OK to rename this account to eg. homer, to act as a first line of defense? Are there unknown consequences to doing something like that? If not, is it done by just editing /etc/password with vi, or is there a better way? Thank you. Unless you have explicitly set PermitRootLogin to yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, it is not possible to login as root using ssh. -- Pieter de Goeje ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Renaming root to homer?
On Thu, 29 May 2008 10:48:27 +0200, Pieter de Goeje [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless you have explicitly set PermitRootLogin to yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, it is not possible to login as root using ssh. Right. I did this because I was tired of having to log on as homer and then sudo'ing to root, using two complicated passwords :-/ I guess I should learn how to use public/private keys instead. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Renaming root to homer?
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Gilles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello With all those scripts trying to connect to SSHd as root, I was wondering if it'd be OK to rename this account to eg. homer, to act as a first line of defense? Are there unknown consequences to doing something like that? If not, is it done by just editing /etc/password with vi, or is there a better way? Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, forgot to send this to the mailing list as well: Not recommended. Instead edit your sshd_config file and change the option PermitRootLogin to no. Christian Zachariasen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SATA support custom v7.0 kernel
Hi all, I'd like to add a SATA drive to a P4 box that I use as a gateway/server. The MB doesn't have a SATA interface, so I stuck an Initio-based SATA card in the box. The kernel recognizes the card, but the attached drive wasn't displayed when I started up sysinstall to format it. I'm wondering whether I am missing SATA support. I commented out a bunch of stuff such as the SCSI controllers when I compiled the kernel with ALTQ support, but these options *are* included: # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) device ch # SCSI media changers device da # Direct Access (disks) device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device cd # CD device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) device ses# SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) Should this be enough? I don't see any specific references to SATA in the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html Thanks. $ uname -a FreeBSD venus.lim.nl 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Mon Mar 3 15:07:21 CET 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VENUS i386 -- Colin Brace Amsterdam http://lim.nl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Renaming root to homer?
On Thursday 29 May 2008, Gilles wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2008 10:48:27 +0200, Pieter de Goeje [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless you have explicitly set PermitRootLogin to yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, it is not possible to login as root using ssh. Right. I did this because I was tired of having to log on as homer and then sudo'ing to root, using two complicated passwords :-/ I guess I should learn how to use public/private keys instead. If using keys instead of passwords you could consider setting PermitRootLogin to without-password. It's a misleading choice of name for the option but it ensures that root using ssh must use keys instead of a password. Adding your own public key to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote machine avoids the need for you to remember the remote password. -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mpd5 stoped working after subnet change
Hi
I'm using mpd5 for pptp connections and last night I had to change our
subnet from 192.168.1.0/24 to 10.1.10.0/24 after I've made all the changes
to all the config files I rebooted and everything is working except for
pptp.
I'm using mpd5 for 2 x adsl pppoe and pptp.
Here is the pptp section
pptp:
set ippool add pool1 10.1.10.220 10.1.10.239
create bundle template B
set iface enable proxy-arp
set iface idle 1800
set iface enable tcpmssfix
set ipcp yes vjcomp
set ipcp ranges 10.1.10.1/32 ippool pool1
set ipcp dns 10.1.10.5 208.67.222.222
set bundle enable compression
set bundle enable crypt-reqd
set ccp yes mppc
set mppc yes e40
set mppc yes e128
set mppc yes stateless
create link template L pptp
set link action bundle B
set link enable multilink
set link yes acfcomp protocomp
set link no pap chap
set link enable chap
set link keep-alive 10 60
set link mtu 1460
set pptp self external-ip
set link enable incoming
and then in my pf.conf
if_pptp = { ng2, ng3, ng4, ng5, ng6, ng7, ng8, ng9, ng10, ng11,
ng12, ng13, ng14, ng15, ng16, ng17, ng18, mg19, ng20, ng21 }
# PPTP in WAN1
pass quick log on $ext_if1 inet proto gre all keep state
pass quick log on $ext_if1 proto {tcp, udp } from any to 217.41.34.61 port
= 1723 keep state
pass quick log on $if_pptp from any to any keep state
I'm getting an Error 800: Unable to establish a VPN connection.
This used to work well before I changed the subnet last night.
Any idea why its not working anymore?
Thanks
Reinhold
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Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
At 2008-05-28T23:57:35-07:00, Gary Kline wrote: Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML editors in ports? My suggestion would be to just write HTML which conforms to a standard. For instance, the main page at your Web site `www.thought.org' declares its DOCTYPE as W3C HTML 4.01 Transitional, but validating it at http://validator.w3.org/ against that standard produces several errors. If all those errors are fixed, your pages will be rendered properly by all browsers that support these standards, see, e.g., http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/abdesign3.html http://browsehappy.com/browsers/ As for editors, I suggest Emacs with PSGML mode (editors/psgml). Rather than depending on the validator at W3C, you can install textproc/opensp, and use onsgmls(1) to validate your HTML documents without traversing the Internet, with something like onsgmls -c ~/catalog -egsu foo.html HTH, Raghavendra. -- N. Raghavendra [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.retrotexts.net/ Harish-Chandra Research Institute | http://www.mri.ernet.in/ See message headers for contact and OpenPGP information. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: External USB disk won't mount
Roland Smith wrote:
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 08:37:55PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote:
Roland Smith wrote:
You could try using the atausb driver instead of umass. Unfortunately it
doesn't have a manpage yet, but you have to unload umass if you want to
use atausb.
Thanks Roland, but I can't find atausb in either 6.3 or 7.0 - is it a kld
module?
Yes;
$ locate atausb
/usr/src/sys/modules/ata/atausb
/usr/src/sys/modules/ata/atausb/Makefile
(This is on 7-STABLE)
Presumably, it would not work with other usb mass storage devices like
memory sticks or phones?
It should work with all usb mass storage devices, I think. It just seems
to be tied into the ata subsystem instead of into the scsi subsystem via
atapicam.
Hi Roland,
I had to rebuild the kernel without umass in it first, but here's the
result.
It attaches the device as an ata rather than umass - but no devices are
created for the slices/partitions on the disk.
atausb0: using SCSI over Bulk-Only
ata2: USB lun 0 on atausb0
/boot/kernel{105}# ls /dev/ata*
/dev/ata
/boot/kernel{106}# ls /dev/ad*
ls: No match.
/boot/kernel{107}# kldstat
Id Refs AddressSize Name
1 10 0xc040 4e1cb8 kernel
21 0xc08e2000 21ef8linux.ko
31 0xc0904000 65de0acpi.ko
41 0xc5898000 5000 atausb.ko
51 0xc589d000 d000 ata.ko
/boot/kernel{108}#
I've only tried it on 6.3 at the moment and atausb/Makefile didn't
exist, so I copied it from 7.0, it built and installed without error,
the module kldload'd without error, and it finds the device so I assume
it should be OK in 6.3 even though the Makefile doesn't get cvsup'd?
Regards,
Mark
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Re: Delaying mount of UFS filesystem in ZFS pool
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 02:04:56PM -0700, Aaron Holmes wrote: I have a UFS filesystem inside a zpool: tank on /tank (zfs, local) /dev/zvol/tank/ufs on /mnt/ufs (ufs, local, acls) If I add that entry (/dev/zvol/tank/ufs) to /etc/fstab, it will try to mount as a critical filesystem on boot, however, because ZFS hasn't yet loaded, this fails and causes all sorts of fun for me. Currently I have that filesystem mounting via a cronjob that checks every minute if it's mounted.. definitely not ideal. I need this filesystem in /etc/fstab so I can setup quotas on it (if there is some other way to get quotas working, great, point me to a link or two). So what I'm thinking for a solution is to delay the mount of this filesystem until ZFS has loaded, but I'm not sure of a way to do this with the filesystem in /etc/fstab, and without extensive hacking to one or more rc scripts. Ideas? Adding 'late' flag in Options section to the fstab entry may help, although I don't think it will help with quotas: # rcorder /etc/rc.d/* [...] /etc/rc.d/mountcritlocal [...] /etc/rc.d/zfs [...] /etc/rc.d/mountcritremote [...] /etc/rc.d/quota [...] /etc/rc.d/mountlate [...] We might consider running rc.d/quota after rc.d/mountlate, not sure if it won't break something else. I added freebsd-rc@ to CC. -- Pawel Jakub Dawidek http://www.wheel.pl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer Am I Evil? Yes, I Am! pgpDVThx2XiWV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: zfs list and non-root user
Hi, even if the zfs module is loaded I get the error message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ kldstat | grep zfs 71 0xfcc1c000 80ee8zfs.ko [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ zfs list internal error: failed to initialize ZFS library Anyway thx for the info.. At least now I know why it should not work ;-) bye Norman 2008/5/29 Pawel Jakub Dawidek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 01:41:28PM -0500, Mark Kane wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008, at 15:13:16 +0200, Norman Maurer wrote: Hi all, is it normal that I can't do a 'zfs list' ( for example ) as non-root user ? $ zfs list internal error: failed to initialize ZFS library I think there is really a use case for use some zfs commands as non-root user.. Thx Norman Hi. One way to do this as a non-root user is to add the account to the operator group. This is what I do on my personal desktop machine and it has worked fine, but I understand that may not be best in all cases. You might also try changing the permissions on /dev/zfs. I don't do this method and I'm not sure if it's a proper way, but from trying it very briefly it seems to work correctly with the user not in the operator group. In Solaris anyone can open /dev/zfs and the kernel side of ZFS decides if the user has permission to perform some action or not. In FreeBSD we try to be more careful for now, but it will change soon, once we import delegated administration functionality. Although... The error above (failed to initialize ZFS library) most likely means that zfs.ko module wasn't loaded. zfs(8) tries to do that automatically, but of course it will only succeed if we are root. In this case zfs.ko has to be manually loaded by root and then members of operator group can use zfs(8) command. -- Pawel Jakub Dawidek http://www.wheel.pl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer Am I Evil? Yes, I Am! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: External USB disk won't mount
Mark Ovens wrote: Hi Roland, I had to rebuild the kernel without umass in it first, but here's the result. Follow up: I discovered that atausb wants to attach the disk as a floppy and I don't have a FD so the module isn;t compiled into my kernel. kldload'd atapifd.ko and it now sees the disk as afd0 - but it crashes the kernel (in 6.3) just like umass did in 7.0, Fatal Trap 12. Built atausb in 7.0 and same thing. Guess I'll just have to accept that I've bought a pup - I've noticed that the USB2.0 Hi-Speed logo on the box is not the official one so I guess it just doesn't comply with the USB standards. If anyone can tell me how to debug this to try to get to the cause so a fix can be found then I'm happy to spend the time doing so. Regards, Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
-Original Message- From: Kevin Downey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Let be the first of many to say, please do not top post. Let me be the first to say please don't quote the entire posting and the entire response. In a recent interview it was revealed that the New York Times does a lot of by hand html writing because it just gets you better html. Of course it does. And I would expect a really professional site to do so. But, your not paying attention to what he is saying: ... trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge... An html author who writes by hand MUST know about ALL browser idiosyncracies. The OP does not want to know this or he would have TESTED with all browsers years ago. And the context indicates he really doesen't want to know. ...I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve... Have you visited this guy's website and actually READ it? This isn't a stupid person here. Anyone who gets an engineering degree is perfectly capabably of surmounting the learning curve. He DOESEN'T WANT TO DO IT. His website IS NOT the usual techie website full of instructions on how to write better html, use this, that and so on. He's simply not interested in that - at least, not enough to actually want to spend any time learning an HTML editor. He doesen't WANT to surmount the learning curve, it is NOT that he CAN'T DO IT. What he wants is a shortcut, a means to QUICKLY get what he has to say online, with minimal work, that will look OK in all browsers. He doesen't want the world's greatest website. He just wants it good enough so that people will read his philosophy, which is what he is really interested in. Not all this html stuff. This comprises the VAST MAJORITY of all people posting stuff to the web. Of course, most of them are using template sites, or myspace, or facebook, or whatever. You might think a facebook user isn't a web designer, but she thinks she is. She is doing the same thing a web designer does - put her information onto the web so other people can read it. And she is using a CMS that takes care of all the icky details of making her stuff look the same across all browsers. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: zfs list and non-root user
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 01:41:28PM -0500, Mark Kane wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008, at 15:13:16 +0200, Norman Maurer wrote: Hi all, is it normal that I can't do a 'zfs list' ( for example ) as non-root user ? $ zfs list internal error: failed to initialize ZFS library I think there is really a use case for use some zfs commands as non-root user.. Thx Norman Hi. One way to do this as a non-root user is to add the account to the operator group. This is what I do on my personal desktop machine and it has worked fine, but I understand that may not be best in all cases. You might also try changing the permissions on /dev/zfs. I don't do this method and I'm not sure if it's a proper way, but from trying it very briefly it seems to work correctly with the user not in the operator group. In Solaris anyone can open /dev/zfs and the kernel side of ZFS decides if the user has permission to perform some action or not. In FreeBSD we try to be more careful for now, but it will change soon, once we import delegated administration functionality. Although... The error above (failed to initialize ZFS library) most likely means that zfs.ko module wasn't loaded. zfs(8) tries to do that automatically, but of course it will only succeed if we are root. In this case zfs.ko has to be manually loaded by root and then members of operator group can use zfs(8) command. -- Pawel Jakub Dawidek http://www.wheel.pl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer Am I Evil? Yes, I Am! pgpFjNMczD1Yo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Best way of upgrading postgresql in production?
Hi guys,
I've been grappling with this and read all sorts of email threads and
blog posts but I still have no good solution to the following problem: I
want to upgrade a postgresql installation on FreeBSD 6.3 from 8.2 to 8.3
as we'd like to take advantage of its new features and performance
enhancements. Yet none of the ports system offers no clean _and_ quick
way of performing such an upgrade as the Makefiles of the respective
ports choke as soon as they detect an existing older -server or -client.
Yet all I want to do is in a script which fires automatically at 5am via
cron (of course I'll get up to check just in case but I've done this
many times before):
1. Do all backup tasks (build packages for all installed postgresql
8.2 stuff for possible rollback, full database dump, configs etc.)
and take down all processes that write to the db
2. Shut down the database
3. Uninstall all postgresql 8.2 ports (client, server and client libs
we depend on)
4. Install all postgresql 8.3 ports
5. Fire up the new db, restore the complete database dump
6. Restore the configs (pg_hba.conf, postgresql.conf etc.) and
restart the database
7. Start up all db write services again
Ideally that process shouldn't take longer than 5 minutes but step
number 4 is currently a big stumbling block as
* Building from ports will take a while
* I can't find any binary packages for 8.3 (would need i386 for
testing and amd64 for live) anywhere as far as I can see
(ftp.freebsd.org has nothing, nor do the mirrors)
* building binary packages myself is impossible on the same machines
as pkg_create can only do that with installed packages, make
package et. all choke when they realise you already have
82-{client,server} installed and I don't see any other way of
creating a package without installing one
How can I get out of this catch-22 /without /resorting to complicated
jail setups or even worse, manual compilations with different prefixes
and other nasties? There must be a way to get a package somehow...
Gunther
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RE: External USB disk won't mount
From: Mark Ovens If anyone can tell me how to debug this to try to get to the cause so a fix can be found then I'm happy to spend the time doing so. Unless you are already familiar with the drivers and the bus itself, or want to learn more about it than anyone should ever need to know, it is not likely to be a productive use of your time. Another alternative would be to contact whomever is maintaining the driver and see if they would be willing to take the broken device off your hands and modify the driver to deal with it. I haven't tried working with USB, but from what I know of other interfaces, the first two things you are going to need are a bus sniffer tool and a copy of the USB spec. Unless you can find where someone else has diagnosed this device and published what they found, you are looking at trying to identify where this implementation deviates from the official documents and modify a driver to work with that deviation. It might be they use non-standard commands, or the timing of some sequences may not be correct. I would return it as defective and replace it with a different product. The non-standard seal of approval would also suggest a complaint to the group that owns the genuine seal, and possibly one to your local consumer rights advocate. Good luck, Bob McConnell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD based router ...
Marc G. Fournier wrote: Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? In all seriousness, if you want to roll your own based on FreeBSD, I have a couple of these units that I've been testing internally with that run FreeBSD off of a thumb drive. They are being used to test the Quality of Quagga's implementation of BGP, and seem to run very well. I haven't gone as far to really test them for pps or throughput yet, but they hold up well, no moving parts, not much more $ than a decent whitebox, and much smaller. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD based router ...
Steve Bertrand wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? In all seriousness, if you want to roll your own based on FreeBSD, I have a couple of these units that I've been testing internally with that run FreeBSD off of a thumb drive. Darn it, I forgot to send the link: http://www.mikrotikrouter.com Using the thumb drive allows me to swap out router configs quickly, without having to open the box up. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help with options BRIDGE in freebsd 7.0
Written by cp on 05/28/08 17:28 I'd really appreciate if someone can shed some light on this for me. I'm attempting to build a layer2 sniffer using dummynet and ipfw but I'm having some problems building the new kernel with options BRIDGE. It errors out with the message below. Any suggestions? -cp lois# /usr/sbin/config LOIS LOIS: unknown option BRIDGE freebsd version = 7.0 lois# more LOIS | grep IP options IPSEC options IPSEC_FILTERTUNNEL options IPSEC_DEBUG options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100 options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD options IPDIVERT options IPFILTER options IPFILTER_LOG lois# more LOIS | grep BR options NETGRAPH_BRIDGE options BRIDGE lois# more LOIS | grep DUM options DUMMYNET lois# ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's because the BRIDGE kernel option is deprecated in FreeBSD 7. Look at if_bridge(4). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best way of upgrading postgresql in production?
In response to Gunther Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've been grappling with this and read all sorts of email threads and
blog posts but I still have no good solution to the following problem: I
want to upgrade a postgresql installation on FreeBSD 6.3 from 8.2 to 8.3
as we'd like to take advantage of its new features and performance
enhancements. Yet none of the ports system offers no clean _and_ quick
way of performing such an upgrade as the Makefiles of the respective
ports choke as soon as they detect an existing older -server or -client.
Yet all I want to do is in a script which fires automatically at 5am via
cron (of course I'll get up to check just in case but I've done this
many times before):
1. Do all backup tasks (build packages for all installed postgresql
8.2 stuff for possible rollback, full database dump, configs etc.)
and take down all processes that write to the db
2. Shut down the database
3. Uninstall all postgresql 8.2 ports (client, server and client libs
we depend on)
4. Install all postgresql 8.3 ports
5. Fire up the new db, restore the complete database dump
6. Restore the configs (pg_hba.conf, postgresql.conf etc.) and
restart the database
7. Start up all db write services again
Ideally that process shouldn't take longer than 5 minutes but step
number 4 is currently a big stumbling block as
* Building from ports will take a while
* I can't find any binary packages for 8.3 (would need i386 for
testing and amd64 for live) anywhere as far as I can see
(ftp.freebsd.org has nothing, nor do the mirrors)
* building binary packages myself is impossible on the same machines
as pkg_create can only do that with installed packages, make
package et. all choke when they realise you already have
82-{client,server} installed and I don't see any other way of
creating a package without installing one
How can I get out of this catch-22 /without /resorting to complicated
jail setups or even worse, manual compilations with different prefixes
and other nasties? There must be a way to get a package somehow...
Jail setups are not complicated. You could also make the packages on
another system. How about doing a make package on the server that you've
tested your application against 8.3 on? You _have_ done that, right?
What makes you think that jail setups are so complicated. I set up new
jails almost every week. I get the impression that you have some reason
for avoiding the obvious solution, and I suspect it revolves around some
incorrect impression that jails are complicated.
--
Bill Moran
http://www.potentialtech.com
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Re: FreeBSD based router ...
On May 29, 2008, at 1:36 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: that's the adventage. but edimax 6104K router with 5 ethernets running netbsd is both cheaper smaller and faster with it's 175Mhz 2 instr/cycle MIPS CPU. 16MB RAM+2MB flash isn't much but enough to fit. I will keep that in mind the next time I need to build or recommend or purchase such a device. I wasn't aware that you could get NetBSD with enough usable tools on 2MB, but I see that now. Thank you, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Monitoring raid status
Hi list, I have a new FreeBSD 7.0 installation with a HighPoint RocketRAID 2310 with 4 Disks. is there a way to check the raidstatus for the raid and/or is there a way to let smartmontools check the disks? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Monitoring raid status
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 04:00:56PM +0200, Matias Surdi wrote: Hi list, I have a new FreeBSD 7.0 installation with a HighPoint RocketRAID 2310 with 4 Disks. is there a way to check the raidstatus for the raid and/or is there a way to let smartmontools check the disks? I believe HighPoint themselves provide some RAID management utilities for FreeBSD. Take a look at http://www.highpoint-tech.com/ If that is not suitable I suspect you are out of luck since HighPoint as not AFAIK released much in the way of documentation or source code for those cards. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:57:35PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- mozilla, firefox, a couple others. Others have suggested online validators. /usr/ports/www/tidy is another that can check your code, even attempt repairs. Can also be used to standardize the coding format much like GNU indent for C code. Comes built-in to BBEdit on Mac where I do most of my HTML authoring. Eyeballing your code the first thing that stood out was: BACKGROUND=/usr/local/www/data/Graphics/paper0.jpg Don't think that will work for anyone other than yourself, and only when you are on the server itself. Unless one has a file with that exact same name and path. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best way of upgrading postgresql in production?
Bill Moran wrote:
In response to Gunther Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've been grappling with this and read all sorts of email threads and
blog posts but I still have no good solution to the following problem: I
want to upgrade a postgresql installation on FreeBSD 6.3 from 8.2 to 8.3
as we'd like to take advantage of its new features and performance
enhancements. Yet none of the ports system offers no clean _and_ quick
way of performing such an upgrade as the Makefiles of the respective
ports choke as soon as they detect an existing older -server or -client.
Yet all I want to do is in a script which fires automatically at 5am via
cron (of course I'll get up to check just in case but I've done this
many times before):
1. Do all backup tasks (build packages for all installed postgresql
8.2 stuff for possible rollback, full database dump, configs etc.)
and take down all processes that write to the db
2. Shut down the database
3. Uninstall all postgresql 8.2 ports (client, server and client libs
we depend on)
4. Install all postgresql 8.3 ports
5. Fire up the new db, restore the complete database dump
6. Restore the configs (pg_hba.conf, postgresql.conf etc.) and
restart the database
7. Start up all db write services again
Ideally that process shouldn't take longer than 5 minutes but step
number 4 is currently a big stumbling block as
* Building from ports will take a while
* I can't find any binary packages for 8.3 (would need i386 for
testing and amd64 for live) anywhere as far as I can see
(ftp.freebsd.org has nothing, nor do the mirrors)
* building binary packages myself is impossible on the same machines
as pkg_create can only do that with installed packages, make
package et. all choke when they realise you already have
82-{client,server} installed and I don't see any other way of
creating a package without installing one
How can I get out of this catch-22 /without /resorting to complicated
jail setups or even worse, manual compilations with different prefixes
and other nasties? There must be a way to get a package somehow...
Jail setups are not complicated. You could also make the packages on
another system. How about doing a make package on the server that you've
tested your application against 8.3 on? You _have_ done that, right?
That's not an option since my testing box runs i386 while the live one
runs amd64, I guess I should really invest in a testing box with the
same arch...
What makes you think that jail setups are so complicated. I set up new
jails almost every week. I get the impression that you have some reason
for avoiding the obvious solution, and I suspect it revolves around some
incorrect impression that jails are complicated.
Ok, you're probably right, I just haven't worked with jails before and
have just read the wrong articles. I will investigate how I could
install the newer version in a jail and keep both running at the same
time during the upgrade, I'll probably run into more problems along the
way but will post again if I'm stuck.
Thanks,
Gunther
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Re: Delaying mount of UFS filesystem in ZFS pool
I didn't think of mountlate, that may work. What I ended up doing was adding the noauto option and running a cronjob that checks and mounts the filesystem. Unfortunately, I learned that quotas only apply to mount points and not directories, so I may not be of any use for testing new things in the near future. Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 02:04:56PM -0700, Aaron Holmes wrote: I have a UFS filesystem inside a zpool: tank on /tank (zfs, local) /dev/zvol/tank/ufs on /mnt/ufs (ufs, local, acls) If I add that entry (/dev/zvol/tank/ufs) to /etc/fstab, it will try to mount as a critical filesystem on boot, however, because ZFS hasn't yet loaded, this fails and causes all sorts of fun for me. Currently I have that filesystem mounting via a cronjob that checks every minute if it's mounted.. definitely not ideal. I need this filesystem in /etc/fstab so I can setup quotas on it (if there is some other way to get quotas working, great, point me to a link or two). So what I'm thinking for a solution is to delay the mount of this filesystem until ZFS has loaded, but I'm not sure of a way to do this with the filesystem in /etc/fstab, and without extensive hacking to one or more rc scripts. Ideas? Adding 'late' flag in Options section to the fstab entry may help, although I don't think it will help with quotas: # rcorder /etc/rc.d/* [...] /etc/rc.d/mountcritlocal [...] /etc/rc.d/zfs [...] /etc/rc.d/mountcritremote [...] /etc/rc.d/quota [...] /etc/rc.d/mountlate [...] We might consider running rc.d/quota after rc.d/mountlate, not sure if it won't break something else. I added freebsd-rc@ to CC. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA support custom v7.0 kernel
Colin Brace пишет: I'd like to add a SATA drive to a P4 box that I use as a gateway/server. The MB doesn't have a SATA interface, so I stuck an Initio-based SATA card in the box. The kernel recognizes the card, but the attached drive wasn't displayed when I started up sysinstall to format it. I'm wondering whether I am missing SATA support. I commented out a bunch of stuff such as the SCSI controllers when I compiled the kernel with ALTQ support, but these options *are* included: # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) device ch # SCSI media changers device da # Direct Access (disks) device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device cd # CD device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) device ses# SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) Should this be enough? I don't see any specific references to SATA in the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html Usually SATA is more ATA then SCSI. Try to add to your config: device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device ataraid # ATA RAID drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives device atapist # ATAPI tape drives -- Alexander Motin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need to build a new mail server
Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. Thanks, -- Patrick Baldwin Systems Administrator Studsvik Scandpower, Inc. 1087 Beacon St. Newton, MA 02459 1-617-965-7455 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, 29 May 2008 13:35:27 -0400 Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. i like postfix with dovecot. (we do imap for about half-a-dozen users.) both are simple, understandable and easy to configure for virtual hosts. (i found sendmail to be awkward and exim incomprehensible though i possibly should have tried harder :D ) -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. Thanks, I like postfix + dovecot. Easy to set up and both have a ton of features. any relatively modern hardware will do with that kind of volume. your aliases shouldnt be a problem either. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. I like Exim + Dovecot with their flexibilities in configurations, security and proven performance. Exim is so flexible and the configuration language quite extensible you'll love it:-) In terms of hardware, any decent workstation-grade hardware will do: For example, I've managed to support over 200 users on an HP DC7800 with 4GB of RAM. This same box runs Clamav and SpamAssassin both for filtering mmalware and spam. It's a DB server, Web server, firewall/router. Users do POP3 mostly but I surely believe with some good disks, IMAP should not be such a problem with Dovecot. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA support custom v7.0 kernel
On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:35:39 +0300, Alexander Motin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usually SATA is more ATA then SCSI. Try to add to your config: deviceata [...] My kernel config has the ATA stuff already; the system currently boots from an IDE drive. -- Colin Brace Amsterdam http://lim.nl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
* Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-29 13:35:27-0400]: I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. A third vote for Postfix + Dovecot here. Thomas -- N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:50 PM, N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-29 13:35:27-0400]: I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. A third vote for Postfix + Dovecot here. Votes may not count much, but the learning curve:-) Now, if only if he can go start playing with Postfix, Exim and Dovecot - and make a choice! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:35:27PM -0400, Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. Given that, a FreeBSD system could be almost a drop-in replacement. Sendmail should be the same or very nearly so (depends on the version you are using now and the nre version). Aliases should work just the same. Your only differences might be in where some things live.But, check out the hier(7) man page in FreeBSD. It documents the FreeBSD directory conventions. There are other MTAs and other utilities available to experiment with. But, if you are comfortable with sendmail, there is no reason to change. It is mature and very functional; does what you need.A modern machine with FreeBSD 7.x should handle large numbers of Email users - even heavy users. jerry However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. Thanks, -- Patrick Baldwin Systems Administrator Studsvik Scandpower, Inc. 1087 Beacon St. Newton, MA 02459 1-617-965-7455 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:35:27PM -0400, Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. Given that, a FreeBSD system could be almost a drop-in replacement. Sendmail should be the same or very nearly so (depends on the version you are using now and the nre version). Aliases should work just the same. Your only differences might be in where some things live.But, check out the hier(7) man page in FreeBSD. It documents the FreeBSD directory conventions. There are other MTAs and other utilities available to experiment with. But, if you are comfortable with sendmail, there is no reason to change. It is mature and very functional; does what you need.A modern machine with FreeBSD 7.x should handle large numbers of Email users - even heavy users. jerry The only perfect answer! We should all clap for you for giving this answer. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu May 29 2008 00:39:06 Christian Zachariasen wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- mozilla, firefox, a couple others. About a week ago I viewed my homepage with KDE Konq and almost flipped out. One free commercial historical calender event feature was glued to the bottom of my blue bar (TABLE/TABLE) on the RHS of the page. And yep, the new text and other things were centered in the middle of the long blue rectangle. Since I have a few weeks now to work on things beside research, it's time to update my main web page. My friend was using IE; it may be that Konqueror uses a similar parser to position things on a .php or .html page. Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML editors in ports? I'd be much obliged for any help here. gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I say keep using the technique you're using now. That's what I'd do. Instead of finding a HTML Editor just find a simple text editor and write all your HTML in a clean manner. I don't know where Ted got his statistics from, but most people I know use simple text editors for writing their HTML, CSS and JavaScript. Personally I stick to vi or diakonos on BSD and Notepad2 on Windows. /* * strange:: the way that mutt queues [ and orders ] its replies and theads is * different from kmail. I only use a GUI when there is a URL embedded, but * it must be down-queue. */ I would *rather* use vi and HTML-by-hand. And produce very simple, readable, uncluttered pages. I don't use many graphics, e.g., I use the strength of HTML, php, blah ** 3. I'm ready to learn this CMS that Ted mentioned if I knew what it was! And if its in ports. AFAIK, the only pages that look bizarre are my initial www (and one other based on it). I'll google around to find out what CMS is... Christian Zachariasen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:05:22PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Thu May 29 2008 00:39:06 Christian Zachariasen wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- mozilla, firefox, a couple others. About a week ago I viewed my homepage with KDE Konq and almost flipped out. One free commercial historical calender event feature was glued to the bottom of my blue bar (TABLE/TABLE) on the RHS of the page. And yep, the new text and other things were centered in the middle of the long blue rectangle. Since I have a few weeks now to work on things beside research, it's time to update my main web page. My friend was using IE; it may be that Konqueror uses a similar parser to position things on a .php or .html page. Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML editors in ports? I'd be much obliged for any help here. gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I say keep using the technique you're using now. That's what I'd do. Instead of finding a HTML Editor just find a simple text editor and write all your HTML in a clean manner. I don't know where Ted got his statistics from, but most people I know use simple text editors for writing their HTML, CSS and JavaScript. Personally I stick to vi or diakonos on BSD and Notepad2 on Windows. /* * strange:: the way that mutt queues [ and orders ] its replies and theads is * different from kmail. I only use a GUI when there is a URL embedded, but * it must be down-queue. */ I would *rather* use vi and HTML-by-hand. And produce very simple, readable, uncluttered pages. I don't use many graphics, e.g., I use the strength of HTML, php, blah ** 3. I'm ready to learn this CMS that Ted mentioned if I knew what it was! And if its in ports. AFAIK, the only pages that look bizarre are my initial www (and one other based on it). I'll google around to find out what CMS is... We are initial buried. CMS can mean many things, but in this case it probably mean either Content Management System or possibly Change Management System. Both are common uses. If you are happy editing your HTML files and doing your own CSS, then you don't need it at all. That web verification site might be an interesting thing to try now and then, though. jerry Christian Zachariasen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
Gary Kline wrote: On Thu May 29 2008 00:39:06 Christian Zachariasen wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- mozilla, firefox, a couple others. About a week ago I viewed my homepage with KDE Konq and almost flipped out. One free commercial historical calender event feature was glued to the bottom of my blue bar (TABLE/TABLE) on the RHS of the page. And yep, the new text and other things were centered in the middle of the long blue rectangle. Since I have a few weeks now to work on things beside research, it's time to update my main web page. My friend was using IE; it may be that Konqueror uses a similar parser to position things on a .php or .html page. Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML editors in ports? I'd be much obliged for any help here. I say keep using the technique you're using now. That's what I'd do. Instead of finding a HTML Editor just find a simple text editor and write all your HTML in a clean manner. I don't know where Ted got his statistics from, but most people I know use simple text editors for writing their HTML, CSS and JavaScript. Personally I stick to vi or diakonos on BSD and Notepad2 on Windows. /* * strange:: the way that mutt queues [ and orders ] its replies and theads is * different from kmail. I only use a GUI when there is a URL embedded, but * it must be down-queue. */ I would *rather* use vi and HTML-by-hand. And produce very simple, readable, uncluttered pages. I don't use many graphics, e.g., I use the strength of HTML, php, blah ** 3. I'm ready to learn this CMS that Ted mentioned if I knew what it was! And if its in ports. AFAIK, the only pages that look bizarre are my initial www (and one other based on it). I'll google around to find out what CMS is... I still prefer html by hand. I use VIM though all our designers and developers use Dreamweaver, funny few if any can fix the HTML if the tool munges it. Many have no idea how HTML works. As far as CMS tools go some create nice pages but at a cost. We have several clients who insist on CMS tools. The joke around our Office is [Joomla|Rails|other] is the only tool known to man to require 1GB server memory to load all the required libs in displaying Hello World. Some of the CMS tools are very very heavy. Straight static HTML can be blisteringly fast in comparison unless you have low traffic or a fairly hefty server. Static HTML also doesn't show up in my CERT emails every month with security issues. My 2 cents worth... DAve -- In 50 years, our descendants will look back on the early years of the internet, and much like we now look back on men with rockets on their back and feathers glued to their arms, marvel that we had the intelligence to wipe the drool from our chins. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu May 29 2008 08:46:29 David Kelly wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:57:35PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- mozilla, firefox, a couple others. Others have suggested online validators. /usr/ports/www/tidy is another that can check your code, even attempt repairs. Can also be used to standardize the coding format much like GNU indent for C code. Comes built-in to BBEdit on Mac where I do most of my HTML authoring. Eyeballing your code the first thing that stood out was: BACKGROUND=/usr/local/www/data/Graphics/paper0.jpg Don't think that will work for anyone other than yourself, and only when you are on the server itself. Unless one has a file with that exact same name and path. Good one, thankee. Using the bg graphic works on my jottings pages because I gave a relative ./Graphics/foo.jpg pointer. Just checking now with Opera, I still see the www page askew. Blue-bar with most strings embedded within it. firefox [ and mozilla ] get it the way I want, opera and konq, nope. tidy? Sorry, must snce i've been wworking on other things, i've lost touch. -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: External USB disk won't mount
Bob McConnell wrote: From: Mark Ovens If anyone can tell me how to debug this to try to get to the cause so a fix can be found then I'm happy to spend the time doing so. Unless you are already familiar with the drivers and the bus itself, or want to learn more about it than anyone should ever need to know, it is not likely to be a productive use of your time. Hehe, yes, I kind of guessed the answer would be something like that. Oh well, never mind. I bought it off FleaBay and it did say Windows/Mac but I figured something as basic as a ATA-USB bridge should be OS agnostic - to be fair it is, as it sees the disk and creates devices for it, it's just that the USB interface is not standards-compliant. I fired up the Mandriva Linux Live CD and tried it. Linux found the disk, created devices for it - then did a USB reset and the devices disappeared. Might have a word at work and see if they'll swap it with the one I borrowed that does work. Thanks for your help guys. Regards, Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu May 29 2008 13:26:43 DAve wrote: Gary Kline wrote: On Thu May 29 2008 00:39:06 Christian Zachariasen wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- mozilla, firefox, a couple others. About a week ago I viewed my homepage with KDE Konq and almost flipped out. One free commercial historical calender event feature was glued to the bottom of my blue bar (TABLE/TABLE) on the RHS of the page. And yep, the new text and other things were centered in the middle of the long blue rectangle. Since I have a few weeks now to work on things beside research, it's time to update my main web page. My friend was using IE; it may be that Konqueror uses a similar parser to position things on a .php or .html page. Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML editors in ports? I'd be much obliged for any help here. I say keep using the technique you're using now. That's what I'd do. Instead of finding a HTML Editor just find a simple text editor and write all your HTML in a clean manner. I don't know where Ted got his statistics from, but most people I know use simple text editors for writing their HTML, CSS and JavaScript. Personally I stick to vi or diakonos on BSD and Notepad2 on Windows. /* * strange:: the way that mutt queues [ and orders ] its replies and theads is * different from kmail. I only use a GUI when there is a URL embedded, but * it must be down-queue. */ I would *rather* use vi and HTML-by-hand. And produce very simple, readable, uncluttered pages. I don't use many graphics, e.g., I use the strength of HTML, php, blah ** 3. I'm ready to learn this CMS that Ted mentioned if I knew what it was! And if its in ports. AFAIK, the only pages that look bizarre are my initial www (and one other based on it). I'll google around to find out what CMS is... I still prefer html by hand. I use VIM though all our designers and developers use Dreamweaver, funny few if any can fix the HTML if the tool munges it. Many have no idea how HTML works. As far as CMS tools go some create nice pages but at a cost. We have several clients who insist on CMS tools. The joke around our Office is [Joomla|Rails|other] is the only tool known to man to require 1GB server memory to load all the required libs in displaying Hello World. Some of the CMS tools are very very heavy. Straight static HTML can be blisteringly fast in comparison unless you have low traffic or a fairly hefty server. Static HTML also doesn't show up in my CERT emails every month with security issues. My 2 cents worth... well, for years my favored method is kiss == keep it simple, sir. i'm still chiuckling over that tool that requires a GIG to load. gary ps: thanks to Google: CMS == content mgnt system DAve -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pkg_create v make package
Hi What's the difference between packages made by these two methods? Eg I have youtube_dl installed. From within the youtube_dl port directory # make package-recursive resulted in -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 8389 29 May 21:14 /usr/ports/packages/All/youtube_dl-2008.04.20.tbz whereas from within my home directory % pkg_create -Rb youtube_dl-2008.04.20 resulted in -rw-r--r-- 1 chrisw chrisw 8281 29 May 21:22 youtube_dl-2008.04.20.tbz similarly there is a size difference for the one or two dependency packages I checked that were created at the same time. make package in the ports directory insists on compiling and installing the port and seems to do a lot of other things like registering dependencies and creating symlinks in /usr/ports/packages/ whereas pkg_create just creates the package tarball (and dependencies). I would prefer to use pkg_create to avoid recompiling everything but I would like to know that installing a pkg_create package with pkg_add will properly install all the dependencies as well. Thanks Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best way of upgrading postgresql in production?
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:31 +0200, Gunther Mayer wrote: Ok, you're probably right, I just haven't worked with jails before and have just read the wrong articles. I will investigate how I could install the newer version in a jail and keep both running at the same time during the upgrade, I'll probably run into more problems along the way but will post again if I'm stuck. I recently set up something very similar. I used the following as a guide web page as a gudie for getting a different version of Postgresql running in a jail when the host is already running a different version of Postgresql. http://www.freebsddiary.org/jail-multiple.php HTH, Shelby Cain signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Best way of upgrading postgresql in production?
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 16:00 -0500, Shelby Cain wrote: guide web page as a gudie for getting a different version of Postgresql running in a jail when the host is already running a different version of Postgresql. This is what happens when you don't hit the wrong button in your mail client. :-/ That sentence should have read I used the following web page as a guide for getting a different version of Postgresql running in jail... Regards, Shelby Cain signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:52:22PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Thu May 29 2008 13:26:43 DAve wrote: ... memory to load all the required libs in displaying Hello World. Some of the CMS tools are very very heavy. Straight static HTML can be blisteringly fast in comparison unless you have low traffic or a fairly hefty server. Static HTML also doesn't show up in my CERT emails every month with security issues. My 2 cents worth... well, for years my favored method is kiss == keep it simple, sir. Oh, you are polite. I am used to other interpretations for that second 's' ... i'm still chiuckling over that tool that requires a GIG to load. gary ps: thanks to Google: CMS == content mgnt system Yup.That is one of the more common. jerry DAve -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unix command-line tools to edit SharePoint site?
Kurt Buff wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Chris Whitehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kurt Buff wrote: On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Chris Whitehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ Chris If you want to use some/many/most of the core utils on Windows, you'll be much better off with http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net unxutils seems pretty moribund, and I have not been successful downloading the updates from that site for a while. Kurt I'll have a look at these, thanks for the suggestion. I have to say though the unxutils commands that I have used work perfectly well despite their age, don't require cygwin and don't do silly registry things on windows. I need this as I'm using them on a work computer which I am not allowed to install software on :P Chris The unxutils work well, but the gnuwin32 stuff is a bit more current, and more complete. They don't require any registry fiddling nor extra DLLs, either, just like the unxutils stuff. I stick them in a directory, and set my path up with that. Works well for me, anyway. HTH, Kurt Cool! I will definitely check these out, thanks. (Sorry list, OT) Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
FWIW, I'Ve switch back to mutt. i can't live without vi On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:30:05AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Don't bother, Gary. The world is moving towards CMS systems for hosting websites. do we have such a mngnmt system tool in ports?? The ultra-cheapo people use godaddy's site builder and put crap on a crappy-looking interface. HMmmm. it's ben my experience that if you keep a page *simple*, that serves best. now i'm not talking about Sam's New and Used Dildos and Computers that's got animations screaming at you. With 50 text and graphic ads/page plus flashing text. i'm talking about something more together. low-impact AND inventive. i've learned that if the content sux, all the bells and whistles won't help. The better hosting companies each have their own site builders and look better, and are populated by acres of garden-variety corporate and the occassional personal sites. Very, very few people custom-write sites in HTML anymore. Most people use sitebuilding software (frontpage was the original, it's deprecated now in favor of other newer tools) either running on their PC or on the server. black text on blue is terribly hard to read for most people, read up on how the human eye works to understand why. the why is simple, reduced contrast; that's why i have black text on a white bg. Or so i thought until i saw how konquorer (and opera) were munging my homepage. firefox displays a graphic [link] with a stylized J; it is not displayed by the other 2. that might be where to start looking. Put your time into loading a CMS system on your server then create your site in it. Yes the learning curve is steep in the beginning but it's not rote memorization of HTML tags. It is understanding how all the things work together. you probably didn't start with the earlier markup. back then, '93-4, there was BR,P, B, and EM. i wrote a 2.2K-line program to handle hi - ``hi'' and a couple other things. the code has evolved, of course, but still works. looks like what i need NOW is a debugger, :-) i have virtually zero design skills except keep it simple gary Ted [[ save the electrons ]] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:38:05AM -0700, Kevin Downey wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [[ ... ]] Konq uses more or less the same rendering engine as Safari. interesting. where is this browser in ports. locate doesnt find it. tx for the datapoint. http://iamvoodoochile.redgrapellc.com/uploaded_images/1985-741912.jpg -- break down of modern webdesign -- The Mafia way is that we pursue larger goals under the guise of personal relationships. Fisheye -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:05:22PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Thu May 29 2008 00:39:06 Christian Zachariasen wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- mozilla, firefox, a couple others. About a week ago I viewed my homepage with KDE Konq and almost flipped out. One free commercial historical calender event feature was glued to the bottom of my blue bar (TABLE/TABLE) on the RHS of the page. And yep, the new text and other things were centered in the middle of the long blue rectangle. Since I have a few weeks now to work on things beside research, it's time to update my main web page. My friend was using IE; it may be that Konqueror uses a similar parser to position things on a .php or .html page. Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML editors in ports? I'd be much obliged for any help here. I say keep using the technique you're using now. That's what I'd do. Instead of finding a HTML Editor just find a simple text editor and write all your HTML in a clean manner. I don't know where Ted got his statistics from, but most people I know use simple text editors for writing their HTML, CSS and JavaScript. Personally I stick to vi or diakonos on BSD and Notepad2 on Windows. /* * strange:: the way that mutt queues [ and orders ] its replies and theads is * different from kmail. I only use a GUI when there is a URL embedded, but * it must be down-queue. */ Use textproc/urlview with mutt Firefox. I would *rather* use vi and HTML-by-hand. And produce very simple, readable, uncluttered pages. I don't use many graphics, e.g., I use the strength of HTML, php, blah ** 3. I'm ready to learn this CMS that Ted mentioned if I knew what it was! And if its in ports. AFAIK, the only pages that look bizarre are my initial www (and one other based on it). I'll google around to find out what CMS is... Since you're a do it by hand person, I'll give you the benefit of my experiences doing my pages that way. My site is on a similar scale to yours and I've just kept it simple except where I've used server-side (PHP/Perl) and Javascript. 1. Use Firefox to develop with and install the webdeveloper plug-in: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60 Use vim not vi, since you get syntax highlighting with vim/gvim. Add x11/rgb to your system and: $ showrgb | less will show you the websafe colours. Plug in the numbers to your stylesheet to get your preferred colours. You can view the colours with e.g: $ xterm -bg steelblue Or: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_colornames.asp I use Gimp for any graphics. 2. Choose a standard that you are going to code to and validate against. I use XHTML1.0 Transitional and CSS. Things are going more XML than HTML and transitional is less restrictive than strict. 3. Have a look at w3c schools site to learn your chosen language: http://www.w3schools.com/ There are various tutorials and references there. Best site on the 'net! 4. Steal a simple page that validates: http://www.shute.org.uk/miscellany.html and use it as a template to hack on. Steal the style sheet too. Validate your webpage as you go along with the w3c validator. 5. A few tips: Use div's for layout, not tables. Don't use fixed text heights, use relative so it respects the users preferences for text size. Keep an eye out for pages that look nice and validate. View source then steal chunks of xhtml and css. 6. Happy hacking! You'll find that your validated pages will show fine in most modern browsers although some have more quirks than others. But when you get somebody say Your webpage doesn't look right in Internet Exploder 5 you can say to them Get a proper browser that respects web standards! Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 05:00:57AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Kevin Downey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Let be the first of many to say, please do not top post. Let me be the first to say please don't quote the entire posting and the entire response. In a recent interview it was revealed that the New York Times does a lot of by hand html writing because it just gets you better html. Of course it does. And I would expect a really professional site to do so. But, your not paying attention to what he is saying: ... trying to determine exactly what causes firefox and konq to diverge... An html author who writes by hand MUST know about ALL browser idiosyncracies. The OP does not want to know this or he would have TESTED with all browsers years ago. And the context indicates he really doesen't want to know. Chill down a bit, okay? first, (as the OP), i did not know thaat there was *this** great a disparity in thee rendering between classes of browsers. i used to stick pretty close to the w3.org (or whatever it was). i didn't think the difference extended to how the TABLE stuff was parsed. BZZZT. letsee, that 25 trillion for Life, 3 for gary. . --the OP -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On 5/29/08, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black [...] I'd be much obliged for any help here. Konqueror says that the comment that reads !-- click on Graphic to goto jottings.thought.org --! isn't closed until the end of the next comment way down the page, so it is ignoring all the code in between. I think that's your problem (there is a typo in the close of the comment). In other words, Konqueror seems to be displaying the page correctly. The other browsers are probably (incorrectly) treating end-of-line as end-of-comment. When you View Document Source in Konqueror, it highlights the markup to make it easier to spot such problems, and comments stand out pretty distinctly. In fact, it appears there are a few other places with that same typo (closing a comment with --!). - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pkg_create v make package
On Thu, 29 May 2008 22:06:22 +0100, Chris Whitehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi What's the difference between packages made by these two methods? Eg I have youtube_dl installed. From within the youtube_dl port directory # make package-recursive resulted in -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 8389 29 May 21:14 /usr/ports/packages/All/youtube_dl-2008.04.20.tbz whereas from within my home directory % pkg_create -Rb youtube_dl-2008.04.20 resulted in -rw-r--r-- 1 chrisw chrisw 8281 29 May 21:22 youtube_dl-2008.04.20.tbz Packages are just 'tarballs with extra stuff'. You can extract the two tarballs and use `diff -r' to see where they differ :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, 29 May 2008 15:52:21 -0400, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:35:27PM -0400, Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. Given that, a FreeBSD system could be almost a drop-in replacement. Sendmail should be the same or very nearly so (depends on the version you are using now and the nre version). Nice finger-slip in 'new/nre' :) I fully agree that FreeBSD+Sendmail should be an almost drop-in replacement for Solaris+Sendmail. Aliases should work just the same. Your only differences might be in where some things live. But, check out the hier(7) man page in FreeBSD. It documents the FreeBSD directory conventions. Patrick, Jerry is right. If you are comfortable with Sendmail on Solaris, you should be pretty ok with the base system version of the same on FreeBSD too. Moving the aliases is probably just a matter of copying over the aliases from Solaris to `/etc/mail/aliases' and running `newaliases'. That's all. There are other MTAs and other utilities available to experiment with. But, if you are comfortable with sendmail, there is no reason to change. It is mature and very functional; does what you need. A modern machine with FreeBSD 7.x should handle large numbers of Email users - even heavy users. An old Intel Pentium at 400 MHz handles the email traffic of all local users (several dozen) and many mailing lists, in one of the domains I am affiliated with. It also runs MailScanner and spamassassin. Relatively modern systems can go a very long way :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. Thanks, I also suggest Postfix + dovecot. Great combination :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. FreeBSD == good choice. :) However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. That's a small user base, so you don't need to invest much in hardware. For the server, I highly recommend Postfix. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. That should be fairly straightforward; for hints, see the mailing list archive for your MTA, or ask them the question. -- Sahil Tandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:50:53 -0700 Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The world is moving towards CMS systems for hosting websites. do we have such a mngnmt system tool in ports?? How about Plone or other Zope-based apps? Plone is in ports: /usr/ports/www/plone3 as is Silva: /usr/ports/www/zope-silva But be forewarned: both are resource hogs and need a reasonable fast server to run smoothly if you've got a lot of traffic; and finding a good Zope-provider may prove a little more difficult than the usual LAMP-based el-cheapo web hosting accounts... -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On May 29, 2008, at 16:55, Sahil Tandon wrote: Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. I am currently using a 2U server from abmx.com for my mail server. It has a quad processor in it and it runs sendmail, dspam, tmda, clamav, and some local stuff in addition to a number of other functions not related to mail. It was cheaper than the equivalent DELL servers and it appears to be all top of the line components. It serves several thousand users, many of which receive a lot of mail (I suspect much of it is spam). load averages: 0.17, 0.43, 0.35. Those are typical. You may not need that much horsepower, by my servers are quite a way from me and there is no one there most of the time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD based router ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ability to route several C-class networks through multiple incoming fiber connections using BGP4, including VLAN support ... we're trying to keep the DC as 'FreeBSD centric' as we can, which is why the interest in someone like Juniper vs going with Cisco ... - --On Wednesday, May 28, 2008 09:55:07 +0200 Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? define what enterprise level router is - -- Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkg8u+cACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvMF8wCg25K5IaX4/DIHk8KFIAfKXe/b decAoOqllLM7c6ty7wwXcwuPlEk/xSo6 =O+GR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkg/WWEACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvONuACgwwegEBBMKq0oXsySdz4cjSX/ V5IAoJXia1wjfxgFgztnJ8WRTQzv/B8l =ZBFL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:05:36PM +0100, Frank Shute wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:05:22PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: [[ ... ]] /* * strange:: the way that mutt queues [ and orders ] its replies and threads is * different from kmail. I only use a GUI when there is a URL embedded, but * it must be down-queue. */ Use textproc/urlview with mutt Firefox. Frank, can you do me a favor and mail your ~/.urlview, please? I installed this program a few years ago, but it only worked with lynx. I just found the url_handler.sh script so now have a clue but if your ~/.urlview points to firefox you'll save me some typing. --Also [going further OT], I like Konsole even better than xterm.-- I would *rather* use vi and HTML-by-hand. And produce very simple, readable, uncluttered pages. I don't use many graphics, e.g., I use the strength of HTML, php, blah ** 3. Since you're a do it by hand person, I'll give you the benefit of my experiences doing my pages that way. My site is on a similar scale to yours and I've just kept it simple except where I've used server-side (PHP/Perl) and Javascript. Sounds like what I've done, more/less. My index file in www/data is PHP. php keeps getting closer to C, c; I've written a few things in php. 1. Use Firefox to develop with and install the webdeveloper plug-in: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60 Use vim not vi, since you get syntax highlighting with vim/gvim. Mm, I'm familiar with vim; like it all right, but lost my ~/.vimrc file (and my backup). NP in this case. vim does a solid job of highlighting. Add x11/rgb to your system and: $ showrgb | less will show you the websafe colours. Plug in the numbers to your stylesheet to get your preferred colours. You can view the colours with e.g: $ xterm -bg steelblue Or: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_colornames.asp Have the rgb app; when I began building my jottings pages I knew the colors would set the philosophic/meditative mood, so in early '02 I ripped off the light blue from the philosophy pages at Lampeter. Then used various color wheels to choose the other colors. This is about the outer limits of my design capabilities, :-) I use Gimp for any graphics. Impressive. Anything at the level of The GIMP is beyond me. 2. Choose a standard that you are going to code to and validate against. I use XHTML1.0 Transitional and CSS. Things are going more XML than HTML and transitional is less restrictive than strict. Here is where it may be best to take this offlist. I'm guessing that XHTML is extended-HTML. Yes/no? = 10 years ago I created some short stories andor essays using the Sytle Sheets. But as you point out, XML is prob'ly the future of markup and I know next to nothing about it. For example, given firstNameJohn/firstName, *where/what* defines the tag? Since the WWW bunch has given XML the nod, it is both the present and future of a lot of the web. ---So, are there any books for Beginners you recommend? You or anyone else onlist who has waded thru this plea! 3. Have a look at w3c schools site to learn your chosen language: http://www.w3schools.com/ There are various tutorials and references there. Best site on the 'net! hMMM:-) Maybe I should've read ahead . 4. Steal a simple page that validates: http://www.shute.org.uk/miscellany.html and use it as a template to hack on. Steal the style sheet too. Validate your webpage as you go along with the w3c validator. Should I just google for the validator? At any rate, thanks much for the two URL's above. The more I can learn on my own (without bothering anyone else), the better. 5. A few tips: Use div's for layout, not tables. i cannot // hhaven't made sense of DIV since I first saw it. *This* may be where I've confused IE and Konq and it might be the easiest way to create the layout that firefox gives me. As I see it, ttables let you put rectangles anywhere; then you can putt other things inside; how to do this with DIV is one more black hole. Don't use fixed text heights, use relative so it respects the users preferences for text size. I didn't understand you could hardwire a textsize; maybe I've done it inadvertently ... Keep an eye out for pages that look nice and validate. View source then steal chunks of xhtml and css. I still have unread messages down-queue, but may as well ask if there are any HTML/XML checkers in ports that would help validate my mark. David Kelly suggested
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 06:14:26PM -0400, Bob Johnson wrote: On 5/29/08, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black [...] I'd be much obliged for any help here. Konqueror says that the comment that reads !-- click on Graphic to goto jottings.thought.org --! isn't closed until the end of the next comment way down the page, so it is ignoring all the code in between. I think that's your problem (there is a typo in the close of the comment). In other words, Konqueror seems to be displaying the page correctly. The other browsers are probably (incorrectly) treating end-of-line as end-of-comment. When you View Document Source in Konqueror, it highlights the markup to make it easier to spot such problems, and comments stand out pretty distinctly. In fact, it appears there are a few other places with that same typo (closing a comment with --!). yes! it looks like you are right on the money! next time you are in seattle, i'll buy you a beer. (also, this may explain why sometimes my comments bombbed during testing. i thought ! .. ! was *legal*. *mumble::censored*) thank you * 1000, gary - Bob -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
service (torque) not starting at boot time on 7.0
Hello, I've searched the mailing list, but it didn't help the issue I'm seeing. I did fresh install of 7.0, downloaded latest ports.tar.gz, and installed torque (portable batch system) from ports. Everything works fine once the deamon is running, but the services (namely, pbs_mom, pbs_server, and pbs_sched) are not started automatically when the system boots. I can manually start them without a problem with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/pbs_mom start /usr/local/etc/rc.d/pbs_server start /usr/local/etc/rc.d/pbs_sched start The /etc/rc.conf file correctly has following entries : pbs_mom_enable=YES pbs_server_enable=YES pbs_sched_enable=YES When I added rc_debug=YES, I see that it's not processing any of pbs related process. I tried adding .sh extension to the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/pbs_* scripts, chmod 755 on them (it's 555 by default), getting rid of all other entries in /etc/rc.conf except pbs entries, etc, but I cannot get them to start. Any ideas? I appended full content of /etc/rc.conf. Thanks, Joe # Created: Thu May 22 09:25:54 2008 # Enable network daemons for user convenience. # Please make all changes to this file, not to /etc/defaults/rc.conf. # This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf. ifconfig_bge0=inet 192.168.3.97 netmask 255.255.255.0 defaultrouter=192.168.3.2 hostname=node001.xxx.com linux_enable=YES sshd_enable=YES pbs_mom_enable=YES pbs_server_enable=YES pbs_sched_enable=YES rc_debug=YES ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: service (torque) not starting at boot time on 7.0
joe park [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've searched the mailing list, but it didn't help the issue I'm seeing. I did fresh install of 7.0, downloaded latest ports.tar.gz, and installed torque (portable batch system) from ports. Everything works fine once the deamon is running, but the services (namely, pbs_mom, pbs_server, and pbs_sched) are not started automatically when the system boots. I can manually start them without a problem with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/pbs_mom start /usr/local/etc/rc.d/pbs_server start /usr/local/etc/rc.d/pbs_sched start The /etc/rc.conf file correctly has following entries : pbs_mom_enable=YES pbs_server_enable=YES pbs_sched_enable=YES When I added rc_debug=YES, I see that it's not processing any of pbs related process. I cannot reproduce this problem on a fresh install of 7.0 with the latest version of torque. Do you see any clues in /var/log/messages? On my system, with rc_debug=YES in /etc/rc.conf (with some truncation to allow for wrapping): % awk '/DEBUG/ /pbs/ /check/' /var/log/messages beast root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: pbs_server_enable is set to YES. beast root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: pbs_sched_enable is set to YES. beast root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: pbs_mom_enable is set to YES. The pbs_* lines are processed at boot. -- Sahil Tandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: service (torque) not starting at boot time on 7.0
Thanks for a reply. I'm pretty stumped why it's not starting. I feel like I'm missing something very obvious... There is nothing in messages with pbs # awk '/DEBUG/ /pbs/ /check/' /var/log/messages # When start it manually, then pbs logs it at messages # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/pbs_mom start /usr/local/etc/rc.d/pbs_mom: DEBUG: checkyesno: pbs_mom_enable is set to YES. Starting pbs_mom. /usr/local/etc/rc.d/pbs_mom: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: /usr/local/sbin/pbs_mom Following is debug msg from /var/log/messages # awk '/DEBUG/ /check/' /var/log/messages May 29 20:42:09 node001 root: /etc/rc.shutdown: DEBUG: checkyesno: hostapd_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:42:09 node001 root: /etc/rc.shutdown: DEBUG: checkyesno: inetd_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:42:09 node001 root: /etc/rc.shutdown: DEBUG: checkyesno: mixer_enable is set to YES. May 29 20:42:09 node001 root: /etc/rc.shutdown: DEBUG: checkyesno: jail_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:42:09 node001 root: /etc/rc.shutdown: DEBUG: checkyesno: cron_dst is set to YES. May 29 20:42:09 node001 root: /etc/rc.shutdown: DEBUG: checkyesno: cron_enable is set to YES. May 29 20:42:09 node001 root: /etc/rc.shutdown: DEBUG: checkyesno: auditd_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:42:09 node001 root: /etc/rc.shutdown: DEBUG: checkyesno: nfs_client_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:42:09 node001 root: /etc/rc.shutdown: DEBUG: checkyesno: named_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:42:09 node001 root: /etc/rc.shutdown: DEBUG: checkyesno: ipfs_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: ldconfig_insecure is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: ibcs2_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: sysvipc_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: linux_enable is set to YES. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: svr4_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: named_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: ntpdate_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: rpcbind_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: nis_server_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: nis_ypxfrd_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: rpc_ypupdated_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: nis_client_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: nis_ypset_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: nis_yppasswdd_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: accounting_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: nfs_client_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: amd_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: atm_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: auditd_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: clear_tmp_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: clear_tmp_X is set to YES. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: clear_tmp_X is set to YES. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: dmesg_enable is set to YES. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: ipxrouted_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: kerberos5_server_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: kadmind5_server_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: keyserv_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: kpasswdd_server_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: enable_quotas is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: nfs_server_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: mountd_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: nfs_server_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: rpc_statd_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: rpc_lockd_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: pppoed_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: pwcheck_start May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: virecover_enable is set to YES. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: watchdogd_enable is set to NO. May 29 20:43:40 node001 root: /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno:
RE: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 2:51 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. you probably didn't start with the earlier markup. back then, '93-4, there was BR,P, B, and EM. i wrote a 2.2K-line program to handle hi - ``hi'' and a couple other things. the code has evolved, of course, but still works. Not the case. I use vi myself and I eschew background gifs and such. Web pages that I create are black text on a white back ground interspersed with images when needed. Period. No CSS no frames, no nothing. If the content I put up isn't worth reading then no amount of formatting, font specification, animated images, and so forth is going to get people to look at it, is my feeling. Looking at your site, it's clear your not a true minimalist. Thus, my recommendation to not even try. Web page design has got so complex that you basically have to do it full time to made a page that looks professional. If your going to create pages, then a true minimalist page is just as functional and just as good as an amateur attempt. Meaning, both it and the amateur page will look like crap, but people aren't there for the looks they are there for the information, and they won't care. Naturally, I am perfectly aware too many people assume that if the page is unformatted that the content must be crap. So, for commercial sites that I am involved in that a lot of eyeballs look at, I don't code those. I have my wife code them - who IS an HTML designer. Watching her work I can see how much work is involved in making a page look professional. (she uses homesite, which is a commercial html editor, it is not a wysiwyg like dreamweaver) I know that if I just do the usual job that an amateur does, it's like a little kid riding a plastic horse at the grocery store and pretending he's a cowboy. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
-Original Message- From: Gary Kline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:14 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Kevin Downey; FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. Chill down a bit, okay? first, (as the OP), i did not know thaat there was *this** great a disparity in thee rendering between classes of browsers. i used to stick pretty close to the w3.org (or whatever it was). i didn't think the difference extended to how the TABLE stuff was parsed. Gary, the problem is that the majority of people out there use IE, most IE7, but still a lot of IE6, and a few deihards IE5. Then there are the older versions of Safari on the Mac - there's still a lot of Mac's around that are running 10.2 believe it or not, and those came with MS IE for the Mac which -really- munges some pages. And Safari for Windows - which is a bit different than Safari on the Mac. And then there are all the Unix browsers. There are some test programs that can help. But the validators can tell you your code is right and it still will display differently in some of the browsers. The only way to do it is to do what the pros do - which is have all the different systems available and load their pages in those browsers. Telling people my site is fine your browser is fucked, get a better one is the mark of an amateur who is also being extremely presumptive. It's the old do it my way or fuck off This is what Microsoft tells people - and most FreeBSDers and Linux people claim they are on the moral high ground because they aren't forcing their stuff down people's throats - that is, until they create a webpage and then they have no problem forcing software down people's throats to see it, I guess Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT.
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 2:51 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. you probably didn't start with the earlier markup. back then, '93-4, there was BR,P, B, and EM. i wrote a 2.2K-line program to handle hi - ``hi'' and a couple other things. the code has evolved, of course, but still works. Not the case. I use vi myself and I eschew background gifs and such. Web pages that I create are black text on a white back ground interspersed with images when needed. Period. No CSS no frames, no nothing. If the content I put up isn't worth reading then no amount of formatting, font specification, animated images, and so forth is going to get people to look at it, is my feeling. I nearly spit coffee on my keyboard! I agree with you 100%. When we all did HTML with BBedit and Textpad, people like Black, Tog, and Nielsen kept everyone designing websites to best serve the content. Now it is all about the sizzle, but there is rarely a steak. DAve -- In 50 years, our descendants will look back on the early years of the internet, and much like we now look back on men with rockets on their back and feathers glued to their arms, marvel that we had the intelligence to wipe the drool from our chins. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Renaming root to homer?
Sorry, forgot to send this to the mailing list as well: Not recommended. Instead edit your sshd_config file and change the option PermitRootLogin to no. Christian Zachariasen Isnt this the Freebsd default anyway, that root cannot login remotely anyway, unlike that penguin OS? SSH in remotely as a non root user that is in the wheel group and then su to root. Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
