Re: [Freedos-user] Post-install problem with GRUB2 bootloader
Liam Proven composed on 2024-03-04 19:17 (UTC): > tsiegel wrote: >> There should be only one active primary partition at any given time. > Picky-picky. OK, then, reorder the adjectives so that it is no longer > grammatical English but is more technically accurate. > The active, first primary partition. > Or, in other words, in the first primary partition, which should be active. This explanation is also ambiguous. It /may/ have been that prior to DOS 3.3, DOS 4 or DOS 5 that the boot flag needed to be on the /first/ partition (also primary), but at some point by DOS 5 (same time frame as OS/2's Boot Manager?; v1.3?) it became the rule that DOS will boot directly via legacy/DOS/Windows MBR code, as long as one, and only one, primary partition is marked active. It will boot if: 1-that first/only active primary partition is any of first, second, third or fourth partition in physical or logical order on the disk or in the partition table; and 2-the disk is small enough that the active primary is addressable by DOS. IOW, DOS can boot from *any* primary on the first BIOS disk, as long as that primary is the /only active/ primary. Here are two example valid layouts, which are both in current use, and have been in use since before the birth of SATA: # parted -l Model: ATA ADATA SU800 (scsi) Disk /dev/sda: 256GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Disk Flags: Number Start End SizeType File system Flags 1 32.3kB 107MB 107MB primary hidden, type=17 (OS/2) 2 107MB 115MB 8225kB primary boot, type=0a (IBM BM) 3 115MB 378MB 263MB primary fat16 type=06 (PC DOS 2000) 4 378MB 183GB 182GB extended type=05 5 378MB 387MB 8193kB logical hidden, type=11 6 387MB 650MB 263MB logical fat16 type=06 7 658MB 872MB 214MB logical ext2type=83 8 872MB 1135MB 263MB logical fat16 hidden, type=16 9 1818MB 9369MB 7551MB logical ext3type=83 10 9377MB 10.2GB 839MB logical type=07 11 10.4GB 12.5GB 2097MB logical type=07 12 12.9GB 13.9GB 979MB logical type=07 13 13.9GB 16.5GB 2624MB logical type=07 14 16.5GB 22.4GB 5873MB logical ext3type=83 15 22.4GB 25.3GB 2887MB logical ext3type=83 16 25.3GB 32.9GB 7551MB logical ext4type=83 17 32.9GB 40.2GB 7345MB logical ext3type=83 ... # parted -l Model: ATA ST3160215ACE (scsi) Disk /dev/sda: 160GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Number Start End SizeType File system Flags 1 32.3kB 214MB 214MB primary ext2boot, type=83 2 214MB 222MB 8225kB primary ext2type=83 3 222MB 263MB 41.1MB primary fat16 type=06 4 263MB 144GB 144GB extended type=05 5 263MB 1341MB 1077MB logical linux-swap(v1) type=82 6 1341MB 6375MB 5034MB logical ext3type=83 ... Note the boot flags are currently on the non-DOS #1 or #2 primary, but the IBM DOS installed on partition 3s do boot directly via compatible MBR code when the flag is moved to partition 3 from partition 1 or 2. > (I have had success when it's the first partition, which is also a > primary partition, but a different partition is active: e.g. DOS or > Win9x is in partition 1, but Linux is in partition 2, that's active, > and Linux's GRUB passes control to the 1st partition.) That works here too, but without necessity for the sole boot flagged DOS partition to be the first partition physically or logically. When Grub chainloads DOS, the point in time for relevance of boot flag to boot process has already expired. Actually, when Grub code has replaced DOS/OS2/Windows-compatible boot code in MBR, the boot flag plays no part in boot process at all, had no beginning to expire. :) -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Post-install problem with GRUB2 bootloader
Liam Proven composed on 2024-03-01 17:10 (UTC): > DOS generally likes to be the 1st active primary partition on an > MBR-formatted drive. Which DOS version(s) is/are bootable when more than one active primary is present on a drive? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Post-install problem with GRUB2 bootloader
Charles Hudson composed on 2024-02-29 11:44 (UTC-0500): > I could in other words reinstall the Linux system but as a learning > exercise I though I would see if GRUB could be rebuilt. Supposing that > this may have happened to some other user, I am posting a question here, > asking for advice on how to handle this situation. What method did you use to resize Fedora's partition to make needed space? Show us output from lsblk -f, plus fdisk -l and/or parted -l, captured from booting Fedora installation media in rescue mode or using Fedora installation media to boot the installed Fedora installation. If you can manage the latter, you should be able to solve the problem by reinstalling Grub with /etc/default/grub first edited if necessary to include 'GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER="false"'. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Using HDMI monitor and USB keyboard/mouse on FreeDOS
Bill Gee composed on 2024-01-26 12:59 (UTC-0600): > Go back to the original set of questions that started this ... My > FreeDOS machine is plugged into a KVM switch which supports only VGA and > PS2. In the near future - 6 months or so - that KVM must be upgraded to > support HDMI displays and USB keyboard/mouse. In order to continue > using the FreeDOS machine, it also must support HDMI display and USB > keyboard/mouse. New day after long sleep. I forgot. :) > I could put it on a dedicated display, but there is no place in the > house to set it up that way. The FreeDOS system has to live on my > computer rack. > I was leery when I bought the adapter, but I figured for $10 it was hard > to go far wrong. It was worth a try. It still is worth trying, but with more skill applied, and almost certainly more money spent. :p Surely you're not the only one with similar configuration. I am able to avoid KVM issues with big physical desktop, 6 displays, 3 full-time keyboards, 2 trackballs, one mouse, and a *lot* of cable switching, for 40+ PCs, normally with at most 3 up at once, occasionally a 4th, along with cable switching multiple times most days. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Using HDMI monitor and USB keyboard/mouse on FreeDOS
Bill Gee composed on 2024-01-26 12:18 (UTC-0600): > But that is, in fact, what happens with the adapter I have. > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08GZ159FJ > I plugged it into an HDMI monitor and the VGA output of my FreeDOS > machine. When I booted the computer, the monitor said "No signal". I > tried a few different ways to power it, just in case, but nothing. Then > I plugged it into one of my Linux machines that was running at 1080p, > and the monitor came right up. > The HDMI monitor I was using also has a VGA input. I switched the > FreeDOS machine to that port and it came right up. That ad does say [quote]resolutions up to 1920x1080[/quote], so there must be a problem somewhere with your particular components, and/or the product, that 640x480 gets you only black. Not counting TVs, I currently have 10 working computer displays. Not one lacks a VGA input, and only one (LG) of my 6 flatscreen TVs lacks one. How did you manage to not have one? :p -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Using HDMI monitor and USB keyboard/mouse on FreeDOS
Bill Gee composed on 2024-01-26 06:13 (UTC-0600): > That adapter on Amazon does look interesting. Too bad it is not > currently available. The specs show it supporting 480 and 720 > resolutions, so it might work. The adapter I got only mentions 1080. > I looked all over eBay. Everything I found was for 1080 only. You're almost certainly seeing what actually means supports *up to* 1920x1080, *not* 1920x1080 exclusively. I'm not sure any such component would ever be limited to any single resolution. Fox and ABC don't even broadcast in 1080. They use 1280x720 aka 720p. Many TVs, most all the smaller sizes, that "support" 1080 are actually 1360x768 screens that emulate 1920x1080, so don't really produce it, or for that matter 1280x720. Display densities are what they are, one native mode per device, emulating everything that isn't native. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Using HDMI monitor and USB keyboard/mouse on FreeDOS
56.25 840x525 60.0159.88 864x486 59.9259.57 700x525 74.7659.98 800x450 59.9559.82 640x512 75.0260.02 700x450 59.9659.88 640x480 60.0075.0072.8175.0059.94 720x405 59.5158.99 720x400 70.08 684x384 59.8859.85 640x400 59.8859.98 576x432 75.00 640x360 59.8659.8359.8459.32 512x384 75.0370.0760.00 512x288 60.0059.92 416x312 74.66 480x270 59.6359.82 400x300 72.1975.1260.3256.34 432x243 59.9259.57 320x240 72.8175.0060.05 360x202 59.5159.13 320x180 59.8459.32 # It's a good bit newer than my AGP Radeon 9700, but behaves just like older cards when booting DOS. WRT Wayland and Xorg, Xorg will surely be around another 10 or more years. By design, Wayland will remain incapable of various functions provided by Xorg. Other than Gnome and Plasma, I haven't seen plans by Linux DEs to drop support for Xorg any time soon. Some have no plans yet, and some plan not to. https://dudemanguy.github.io/blog/posts/2022-06-10-wayland-xorg/wayland-xorg.html https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277?permalink_comment_id=4758649 https://www.cbtnuggets.com/blog/technology/devops/wayland-vs-xorg-wayland-replace-xorg https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wayland-2021.html https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/please-dont-remove-xorg-yet/92757 -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Using HDMI monitor and USB keyboard/mouse on FreeDOS
lay-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1680x1050 s-dpi: 108 s-size: 395x246mm (15.55x9.69") s-diag: 465mm (18.32") Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 mapped: DVI-0 model: Dell P2213 serial: built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400 API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: amd r300 platforms: device: 0 egl: 1.4 drv: r300 device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: egl: 1.4 drv: r300 surfaceless: egl: 1.4 drv: r300 x11: egl: 1.4 drv: r300 inactive: wayland API: OpenGL v: 4.5 compat-v: 2.1 vendor: x.org mesa v: 22.3.5 glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: ATI R300 device-ID: 1002:4e44 memory: 125 MiB unified: no # xrandr Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1680 x 1050, maximum 4096 x 4096 VGA-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) DVI-0 connected primary 1680x1050+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 473mm x 296mm 1680x1050 59.95*+ 1280x1024 75.0260.02 1152x864 75.00 1024x768 75.0360.00 800x600 75.0060.32 640x480 75.0059.94 720x400 70.08 S-video disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) # -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] What DOS programs represent the 1980s and early 90s?
Jim Hall via Freedos-user composed on 2023-12-24 22:33 (UTC-0600): > I'm thinking about doing a video that shows how to do real work on DOS. I > sometimes see comments on YouTube with people asking "could you really do > *work* with DOS?" And the answer is *of course you can, that happened every > day.* > So I'm collecting a list of things you'd do in the 80s and 90s with DOS to > do work. Sure, I'll put a game it two in there, but I'm focusing on getting > work done. > What programs or types of programs would you like to see? Lotus 1-2-3's original series of releases is where it has to start. I used it for several years at home and at work before adding WordPerfect (5.1 initially, eventually 6.2) and NC. After discovering Quattro Pro 4.0 I switched, but kept the optional use of 1-2-3 style menus. I'm still using the last QPro for DOS version 5.6 (according to its README), under eComStation (OS/2 evolved) @132x43 text mode (800x600) using Radeon X600 in Core2Duo. I still have Paradox for DOS too, 4.02. Before Warp 4 I was running them all several years in DesqView 386 with QEMM on PC DOS again after a few years with MS DOS 5 post-PC DOS 3.3. My eCS Core2Duo still can boot PC DOS 2000 too. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do I change screen resolution?
zerofive--- composed on 2023-08-06 02:08 (UTC+0200): > This question may been asked a million times but I just can't figure it out, > and > googling it gives no results (except telling me that I need to use `mode` and > some parameters but this just wouldn't give me what I am trying to achieve) > But I found out that `NANSI.SYS` contains a paramter which (I think) allows > me > to set at least 640x480 resolution. I also included it (nansi.sys) in > FDCONFIG.SYS with parameters `/t18` but it doesnt seem to work. Any idea on > what > could be the issue or I need to do it the other way? For those who haven't seen them before, attached are the video config files used by Borland's Paradox for DOS and Quattro Pro for DOS. The actually produce the mode menuitems found in the apps, besides their use for setting selected modes. These were modified by me decades ago, first to better facilitate use of Tseng proprietary 132 column SVGA text modes, and later ATI's. With Tseng I was usually using 132x30. With ATI I switched to 132x43. I'm still using both apps mostly using the DOS built into OS/2, and Radeon X600 PCIe GPU on a Core2Duo E6400, but every now & then checking to see if PC DOS 2000 still boots and runs them. IIRC, I never found a way to get any SVGA text modes to work with any Intel or NVidia GPU. I don't think I even tried with NVidia. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ## # # # WARNING! # Do not attempt to modify this file unless you absolutely know what # you are doing. Improper changes to this file could cause permanent # damage your display adapter and/or monitor! # # # Adapter Node Format: # # Menu Choice, first item of sub-menu, last item of sub-menu, 0 # # Leaf Node Format: # # Menu Choice, Mode, AX, BX # # Mode: 0 = Auto detect (use existing mode or set to 2, 3, or 7) # 2 = EGA/VGA adapter 80x25 black & white # 3 = EGA/VGA adapter 80x25 color # 7 = Monochrome # 0x0FF = Use AX,BX values with INT 10 # 0x102 = EGA/VGA adapter 43/50 line black & white # 0x103 = EGA/VGA adapter 43/50 line color # # Note: This resource file is NOT format-compatible with # Quattro/PRO VIDEO.RSC. # # Comments on changes from distribution file: # # The inital menu group is unmodified. Next among menu # choices are the VESA modes. None of these were in the # distribution file. Next come several card brand names. # Several brand listings from the distribution file have # been dropped. They are instead covered among the last # listed, which are based upon the graphics chip rather than # card brand names, eliminating some duplication. # # Most modern graphics cards, probably all, support at least # one of the VESA modes. Probably most have non-standard # modes that may or may not be shared with other cards # and/or chips. The non-standard modes may be more suitable # for particular needs not supported by the VESA modes. # Examples of brands with no non-VESA modes are Elsa and # Matrox. # # Because overlap among different chips is less than 100%, # all modes in each last group are not necessarily supported # by every chip in the group. # # 1999/04/07 # ## 77 # total number of menu items 21 # number of root menu items 5 # number of root menu leaves A: Auto-detect,0,0,0 # 0 root leaf B: Monochrome,7,0,0 # 1 root leaf C: CGA/EGA/VGA: 80x25,3,0,0 # 2 root leaf D: EGA/VGA: 80x43/50,0x103,0,0 # 3 root leaf ,,, # 4 separator line F: VESA SVGA Text Modes,21,25,0 # 5 root item ,,, # 6 separator line H: Ahead Systems VGA Wizard,26,29,0 # 7 root item I: ATI VGA Wonder,30,31,0 # 8 root item J: Compaq Integrated (132 column) VGS,32,36,0 # 9 root item K: Everex Viewpoint VGA/EV-673 VGA,37,42,0# 10 root item L: Genoa Systems Super VGA,43,45,0# 11 root item M: Oak Technologies,46,49,0 # 12 root item N: Sigma VGA Legend/HP16,50,51,0 # 13 root item O: STB PowerGraph VGA,52,53,0 # 14 root item P: Video-7 VRAM VGA,54,56,0 # 15 root item ,,,
Re: [Freedos-user] Can FreeDOS Be Installed By Means Of UNIX Commands?
Jay F. Shachter composed on 2023-07-16 09:21 (UTC-0500): > I have a computer, with an MBR-partitioned disk, that is configured to > perform Legacy boot. Microsoft Windows is installed on three primary > partitions, because that is what Windows does It did that because you didn't take control. It's your computer. If you only give Windows one acceptable option, that's what it will use. So, partition in advance. Following is an example based on one of my older Dell's old HDD: |ID |ux|Type, description|Format |Related |VolumeLabel|OS2-LVM/LABEL|Size MiB | +--[/dev/sda MBR disk 1]++---[Toshiba DT01ACA1]+-+ |01 | |FreeSpace Wasted |-- -- --|-- -- --|- - - - - -| | 1.0| |01*| 1|Prim 0b FAT32|FAT32 |FRDOS5.1|P01ST10C |To10P01 WINBOOT | 400.0| |02*| 2|Prim bb AcrHidden|FAT32 |DFSe11.x|SS10P02DOS |To10P02DOSBOOT | 509.0| |03>| 3|Prim 83 LinuxNatv|EXT2|GRUB|03realboot |To10P03 realboot | 400.0| |04 | 5|Log 82 SunS/SWAP|SWAP|LinuxV1 |SWAPSPACE2 |To10P05 swapper | 4102.0| |05*| 6|Log 07 Inst-FSys|NTFS|Win NT |P06ST10D |To10P06 WinXP| 6401.0| |06 | 7|Log 07 DfsNoWarn|- |unknown | |To10P07 Win8 | 48000.0| |07*| 8|Log 83 LinuxNatv|EXT4|GRUB|08s151 |To10P08 suse 151 | 1.0| |08*| 9|Log 83 LinuxNatv|EXT4|GRUB|09s423 |To10P09 suse 423 | 1.0| Given the above, Windows will use the 48000 MiB space to install 7, 8 or 10, though you may find it carves that space into two, depending on which Windows version, and how you answer its questions. > and every other > operating system on this computer must find a home for itself within > the logical partitions carved out of the fourth, extended partition. Start over the right way, and "all" won't have to. Logicals are perfectly usable by Linux and Windows both. Once they've booted, nothing that counts knows which kind of partitions the filesystems live on. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] remembering Warp; disk I/O speed
Thomas Mueller composed on 2021-12-31 07:37 (UTC): > Now I see no advantage in OS/2's successors (eComStation, ArcaOS) compared to > choosing between FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux and Haiku which have the advantage of > being open-source. eCS is just as bulletproof running DOS as Warp with MCPx. I run my DOS apps on it 24/7. File saves in my most used files in eCS are done seriously faster than they were with DesqView on PC DOS, portions of seconds rather than 30+ seconds, even minutes. Is FreeDOS' 32bit storage driver in the same speed category as OS/2 or Linux? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] reminder reminder?
Jim Hall composed on 2021-11-01 06:45 (UTC-0500): > Interesting. I only received the one copy of the reminder email. But Bryan > said he got multiple copies. > I'm replying to the email list to see what others received. > I got 6 (so far). -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FAT12
Daniel Sears composed on 2021-05-26 15:38 (UTC-0700): > The Wikipedia page says that FAT12 goes back to the early 80's, 1980 or so, when max HD size was 5MB or 10MB, and FAT12 was sufficient. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FAT12
Daniel Sears composed on 2021-05-25 14:53 (UTC-0700): > I've installed FreeDOS 1.3-RC4 with FD13LITE.img on a 4GB USB drive. This > works and I can boot it just fine, but the primary partition uses FAT12 and > is 97% full. I would like to expand this partition with gparted, but that > no longer supports FAT12. Can I ask what the rationale is for using FAT12? Originally FAT12 was for the smallest sizes on partitioned media, IIRC, only up to 32MB, but maybe it was 16MB or 20MB. That was a very long time ago, and my memory isn't what it used to be. FAT12's type was 0x01, compared to 0x06 for FAT16. Given FAT12 and FAT16 partitions of identical size, the FAT16 could be more efficient, as under 256MB or so in size, FAT16 used 4 sector clusters, while larger FAT16 used 8 or more, depending on size, with FAT12 using only 8, so less cluster overhang on FAT16 could result in extra freespace using it instead of FAT12. Thus, if the FAT12 could be changed to FAT16 without a size change, a wee bit of extra freespace might materialize. Whether a tool exists that could do this I have no idea. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on (very) small form factor PCs?
tom ehlert composed on 2021-04-28 23:24 (UTC+0200): > However some one (Microsoft?) has announced that from now on > 'modern' firmware needs no longer to provide 'BIOS' support Intel, but I'm not sure "needs" was the term used to describe the cessation of traditional BIOS services by omitting CSM. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] hardware recommendations
Liam Proven composed on 2021-04-27 18:24 (UTC+0200): > A BIOS is one type of firmware. UEFI is a different type of firmware. > There are others, but not in PCs, usually. > If a computer has UEFI, it doesn't have a BIOS. If it has a BIOS, it > doesn't have UEFI. > CSM is a UEFI feature. If a machine's firmware has CSM, it must be > UEFI. If it is UEFI, it is not a BIOS. That means the computer does > not have a BIOS: it has UEFI instead. > If it has UEFI then it doesn't have a BIOS. What this reads is if it has UEFI, it has no basic input/output system. That makes no sense. Without *a* basic input/output system, by whatever name, non-volatile storage's controller doesn't get found, so program code doesn't get found and loaded, keyboard can't redirect into setup,or be logically connected, etc. UEFI provides basic input/output services, so it is a BIOS, just a rather evolved one with a changed name, little different than when Lucky Goldstar changed its name to LG. > Some UEFI can emulate a BIOS. Some can't. Which ones can't find a keyboard, mouse, storage controller or other common I/O device? What am I missing? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Why I use DOS a.k.a. FreeDOS for Dummies?
Bryan Kilgallin composed on 2021-04-19 09:51 (UTC+1000): >> I define printer quality by whether it includes Epson directly or by >> emulation. I >> don't buy Epson, because it only makes inkjet printers. I buy Brother lasers >> due >> to speed, to decent Linux support, and to Epson FX-850 emulation available if >> spending a bit more than bottom of the line. > You use a Brother laser printer. So why do you need Epson ink-jet > capability? Ralf provided a technically correct answer. I don't know that the DOS software I use ever supported any inkjet printers. I was still exclusively using Epson compatible dot matrix when the DOS software I still use was discontinued without upgrade path. All my spreadsheet macros assume Epson. I bought an inkjet once. The ink disappeared before I could print 40 pages from the automatic self head cleaning that failed to clean enough to have all 4 colors working. They are a terrible choice for anyone like me who rarely prints anything. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Why I use DOS a.k.a. FreeDOS for Dummies?
Eric Auer composed on 2021-04-18 12:27 (UTC+0200): > But as said, I am optimistic: CPU power is cheap today and it is, > still or again, a quality feature of printers to speak PS or PDF. I define printer quality by whether it includes Epson directly or by emulation. I don't buy Epson, because it only makes inkjet printers. I buy Brother lasers due to speed, to decent Linux support, and to Epson FX-850 emulation available if spending a bit more than bottom of the line. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...
Liam Proven composed on 2021-04-16 06:16 (UTC-0400): > I run openSUSE Tumbleweed on my machine in the office. I have been > working from home for over a year now. I think that when I finally > return to the office, it will be easier to reformat the machine and > start over than to update a year-old rolling release that has been > booted about 3 times in a year. I have 24 64 bit PCs with Tumbleweed installed. Several have more than one TW installed, so the installation count may be closer to 30. I have 4 32 bit with TW updated since Jan 1, 6 updated last in 2020, 2 updated last in 2019. IME, updating TW via zypper after 3-4 months since last prior update has never been a problem. Waiting more than 6-8 months hasn't been terribly unusual either. Only 12 64 bit PCs have had TW upgraded since 1 March. Only recently did I first have a problem updating a TW last updated more than a year prior. That was because of a change in compression used for rpms. Offline update cleaned that one up. All that said, I wouldn't use zypper in the foreseeable future to upgrade one a year since last because of that same change in compression, but I won't hesitate to do it offline. The tweaks I make take longer to implement after doing a fresh installation than the time required to upgrade. Oh, and I don't ever use VMs except for using OS/2 to run DOS apps. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...
Eric Auer composed on 2021-04-14 18:15 (UTC+0200): > The "usual distro" of the day would be Ubuntu, with > MINT being a spin-off and with lightweight variants > such as Xubuntu or Lubuntu which default to install > less heavy graphical things than the normal Ubuntu. > MATE also is just yet another variant. > https://distrowatch.com/ has a "ranking" of top 100 distros, and cataloging of those and others. Today Ubuntu is down to 6th. #1, #3 & #4 are Debian/Ubuntu-based, with Debian #7. For the uninitiated, Ubuntu is essentially a (candified/bloated) derivation of Debian. Without Debian, there wouldn't have been, or wouldn't be still, any Ubuntu as it is currently known. As with any truly major Linux distro, Debian offers the same Gnome monolith, where configurability is suppressed or absent, depending on context, used as Ubuntu's primary face; KDE Plasma, which is Kubuntu's primary face; XFCE, which is Xubuntu's primary face; LXDE/LXQt, one or both of which is/are Lubuntu's primary face; and other DEs and simple window managers, all of which are available in whole or in part on all other major distros. One thing the "file managers" in these GUI DEs have in common, is an ancient Mac and Windows feature, or misfeature, depending on your point of view: file deletion is not deletion, but hiding in/moving of files to a "trash can", thus reclaiming of disk space from deletion only occurs after "emptying the trash". There are OFMs similar to those having inception in DOS where delete means delete, but they don't get shoved in your face, if included at all in a default installation, or on live media. Linux distros' text mode tools behave like DOS tools, usually with added and/or refined functionality. If your main interest in Linux is file transfers, DOS emulated, or hands-on, nuts and boat control, the bloat of Ubuntu, via any of its incarnations, may not be your best choice. My first choice has not been named here, and is not a Debian derivation. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS
Johnpaul Humphrey composed on 2021-04-14 08:59 (UTC-0700): > So my question is, why do YOU use FreeDOS? > No upgrade path from the DOS apps I became dependent on 3 decades ago, primarily Quattro Pro using the Lotus 1-2-3 menu system, and the WQ! and WQ2 file formats. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS
Eric Auer composed on 2021-04-14 18:36 (UTC+0200): > Or something like Dosbian Linux on Raspberry Pi which > just immediately boots into only a DOS window. > Is it known here whether this supports proprietary SVGA text modes, (e.g. Trident's 132x43, 132x30, 132x60)? -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] 1-2-3 rows and columns before SVGA text modes
<https://books.google.com/books?id=b4EFTpmTnFgC=PA121=PA121=hercules+resolution+1-2-3+rows+columns=bl=_TWDifWwBX=ACfU3U3K-c4B-2h5zcunltcS89U8yMYu_w=en=X=2ahUKEwj8oY3r1drvAhUlRDABHaOmAGA4ChDoATAHegQICRAB#v=onepage=hercules%20resolution%201-2-3%20rows%20columns=false> is as much as I could find about rows and columns in 1-2-3 back in the 1980s, quite before I got my first Trident card, an 8800 in 1989. With the Trident and NEC Multisync I enjoyed 132x30 the most. My memory is failing to recall pre-Trident specifics. I was using Hercules on a green monochrome IBM screen, but it certainly seems like I was getting better than 90x38 as the ad indicates. I have an old green mono display in a closet, and probably have an old Hercules clone around somewhere, but just as likely no 1-2-3 media, as I switched to Quattro Pro around the time I got the Trident. Does anyone here remember 1-2-3 on Hercules any differently? -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter
dmccunney composed on 2021-03-11 17:43 (UTC-0500): > The RAM here is all DDR4, same speed, and the only difference is one > stick is 8GB. (I may add another 8GB sick at some point, but it won't > be soon.) > When I said I *saw* no performance difference I meant exactly that. > I have a simple attitude about stuff like this: if I cannot*perceive* > the difference in normal use, I don\t *care*. I have better things to > do with the time than spend it running MEMTEST to detect a performance > difference I won't *notice* in use. > My needs are modest, I don't push the envelope on my system, and what > I have is actually overkill for what I do. My concern is a stable > system that Just Works, and I have one. > I appreciate your concern, but the only reason I ever ran MEMTEST was > if I had a memory fault, and the last time was years back.. As fast as DDR4 is, I don't imagine many people can perceive the difference, especially running text DOS apps. That's why there are tools to measure with. If you don't want to know that's fine and dandy. As the old saying goes, ignorance is bliss. The first selection in my boot menus is MemTest86. I swap stuff around a lot. There's no fun in swapping parts if results can't be measured. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter
dmccunney composed on 2021-03-11 09:51 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Odds are that 32GB capable board features dual channel RAM. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-channel_memory_architecture > Possible. >> IME when RAM is not used in matched pairs in correct slots in a dual channel >> board, RAM speed (memtest86) is cut by nearly half. Did you test RAM speed >> before >> and after the change? > No. I simply made sure I had RAM that matched the specs of the other > sticks. The only difference was that one stick is 8GB instead of > four. I was *not* using RAM of different speeds, and no mismatch was > involved.. > I saw *no* negative performance impact, and would have been startled if I did. By not matching size of pairs, you disable dual channel. You should run memtest86 with and without the 4G and 8G sticks to see the difference in print on your screen. A quick test here using MemTest86 V8.3 Free on: CPU: AMD A10-7850K Radeon R7, 3.7Ghz motherboard: ASUSTeK model: A88X-PRO RAM: Mushkin DDR3-2133 XMP, 10-12-12-28, 2 sticks of 4GB each matched pair RAM speed: 7474 MB/s dual channel single stick RAM speed: 5943 MB/s not dual channel = 79.5% CPU: Intel Pentium G4600, 3.6GHz motherboard: ASUSTeK model: B85M-E RAM: Crucial DDR4-2400, 17-17-17-39, 2 sticks of 8GB each matched pair RAM speed: 21.67 GB/s dual channel single stick RAM speed: 13.92 GB/s not dual channel = 64.2% RAM: generic DDR4-2400, 17-17-17-39, 2 sticks of 8GB each matched pair RAM speed: 19.92 GB/s dual channel single stick RAM speed: 12.07 GB/s not dual channel = 60.6% My recollection is with DDR2 the difference tended to be bigger, as low as 53% for 1 stick compared to dual channel. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter
dmccunney composed on 2021-03-10 16:56 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> dmccunney composed on 2021-03-09 17:35 (UTC-0500): >>> ...It has 20GB RAM >> What is that, a pair of 2GB and a pair of 8GB? > Nope. It has four DRAM slots, and came with 16GB as four 4GB sticks > in those slots. I replaced a 4GB stick with a 8GB stick to bring it > to 20. Odds are that 32GB capable board features dual channel RAM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-channel_memory_architecture IME when RAM is not used in matched pairs in correct slots in a dual channel board, RAM speed (memtest86) is cut by nearly half. Did you test RAM speed before and after the change? -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter
tom ehlert composed on 2021-03-10 22:15 (UTC+0100): > "Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, > is based on faith, not on science." That's a signature block. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block> > either give us a pointer why you think you must annoy us with that, > or please stop with that (mostly religious) nonsense. <https://www.discovery.org/m/2020/04/Scientific-Dissent-from-Darwinism-List-04072020.pdf> There is no proof of anything that happened 10,000 years ago or 1,000,000 years ago, much less what happened 4,500,000,000 years ago. All those time frames are based on guessing, and an assumption that how things behave now is a reasonable indication of how things behaved then. "Scientific method" cannot be applied to those times. So-called evolutionary trees all have gaps, missing links, because no such links ever existed, not found even though the search has been diligent for nearly 200 years, using more and better technology in the search. Evolution is nothing but unprovable faith in the assumptions made by the "scientific community" of the past 200 years. Galileo, Bacon, Pascal, Newton, Kepler, Leibniz and more were Christians. Our public schools have been indoctrinating kids at an early age, where books about "dinosaurs", start with the words "Millions of years ago...". The word dinosaur didn't appear in any dictionary until the late 19th century. The words for dinosaur before then were dragon, behemoth and leviathan, creatures that humans observed and pictured on cave walls. <https://biblereasons.com/dinosaurs/> Thus "evolution" is purely faith-based, a religion. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter
dmccunney composed on 2021-03-09 17:35 (UTC-0500): > The current desktop uses a quad core Intel i5 CPU and 3.5 ghz, with an > automatic turbo mode to 3.9 ghz. It has 20GB RAM What is that, a pair of 2GB and a pair of 8GB? -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Windows 95
Ralf Quint composed on 2021-01-28 10:57 (UTC-0800): > "MS-DOS 7.x" doesn't exist for all but the initial boot process. As soon > as the Windows 9x boot logo comes up, there is no longer any "MS-DOS > foundation" active. Somebody ought to fix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows: "...Windows 95, was released on August 24, 1995. While still remaining MS-DOS-based..." To me that reads "foundation". In the Spring following Warp 4 introduction, I switched from DesqView on PC DOS 7 to Warp. The disk I/O speedup was massive. I still run my Borland SVGA text mode DOS apps on it. I use FreeDOS mostly for installing BIOS updates or as included on various utility CD downloads, and Linux for Internet and much more. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Windows 95
Šimon Dobeš composed on 2021-01-28 09:18 (UTC): > I tried to install windows 95 on my PC. But it ended up with an error. How old is that PC? Unless it was made in the early to middle 1990s, you can't expect it to support your PC's hardware. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Windows 95
Bonaventura de'Vidovich composed on 2021-01-28 16:29 (UTC+0100): > **Win95 is an operative system (no comment). **There is no DOS. Win95 is a desktop environment that lives on top of a MS-DOS 7.0 foundation. Win98SE is a desktop environment that lives on top of a MS-DOS 7.1 foundation. WinME " " " " " " " -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] PCI Express Network Adapter Board for FreeDos
Marv composed on 2020-11-05 17:39 (UTC-0500): > Thanks Tom - I see the Realtek 8139 is fairly popular with DOS users and I > can find PCI cards with that chip. But so far no luck finding a PCIe card > that uses the 8139. Will keep looking. If you don't mind spending money, there are adapters: <https://www.amazon.com/SEDNA-PCI-PCIE-Adapter-Card/dp/B01BBRLEJ6> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-PCI-Express-PCIE-To-PCI-Adapter-Card-1083-Chip-Riser-Extender-Accessories/124328691640> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/32-Bit-PCI-To-PCI-e-Express-16x-Riser-Extender-Adapter-PCI-E-slot-converter/323932856645> -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Join us for the FreeDOS virtual get-together NOW!!!!
Geraldo Netto composed on 2020-08-16 18:48 (UTC+0200): > We are online now! > Join us for the FreeDOS virtual get-together! You can connect right > from your browser. You don't need to download the BlueJeans client - > if prompted to install a BlueJeans meeting client, you can close that > and click the "Join from browser" link instead. See you online for the > next hour! > https://bluejeans.com/489022794/7166 What join from browser link? [quote] Your meeting is live in the BlueJeans App Don't see anything? LAUNCH THE APP Download BlueJeans App for Linux UbuntuRedhat,Fedora,CentOS By continuing, I confirm that I have read and I understand theterms of serviceandprivacy policy[/quote] -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Quattro Pro DOS v5.6
Been using it 24/7 since around v5.0 in an OS/2 DOS session. It's been forever since I tried to export to another format other than .wk1, which is done simply via saving with the different file extension. Anyone here remember what other extensions are available? I don't see anything on the subject with F1 help, only tranlating, which seems to be only for importing. Presumably .csv should be one, but what about others? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOSBOX isn't for everyone...
dmccunney composed on 2020-03-24 15:53 (UTC-0400): > Felix Miata wrote: >> I ran a 286 Altos Xenix multiuser in 1988 just fine, Unix-y enough I >> couldn't tell >> any difference from SysV. > With what sort of hardware? Based on the descriptions on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altos_Computer_Systems it must have been an Altos 686. It shipped with a 500MB internal HD, to which we later attached an 80MB Micropolis external HD from Altos. We had an IBM PC AT with 20MB CMI HD, 2.5MB RAM (512kb originally), and PC DOS 3.1 (originally), and a 256kb RAM IBM PC XT with 10MB HD running terminal emulation software to talk to the Altos, otherwise used for running Lotus 1-2-3, a pair of terminals (1 Altos, 1 Wyse, IIRC), a very loud Genicom dot matrix serial printer we kept in an insulated enclosure, and an original parallel port HP LaserJet requiring a cartridge to print IRS forms. To that fleet we also early on added an Iomega Bernoulli Box 10MB cartridge drive, and later a Corona portable 8088 PC with 256kb RAM and 10MB HD, later upgraded to 512kb or 640kb RAM to better handle larger spreadsheets, and NEC V20 CPU. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOSBOX isn't for everyone...
dmccunney composed on 2020-03-24 21:59 (UTC-0400): > SeaMonkey 2.X couldn't be built static. Please reconcile this statement with the Mozilla folk's representation that every binary app downloadable from mozilla.org, including all SeaMonkey versions, is static built. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOSBOX isn't for everyone...
dmccunney composed on 2020-03-24 13:30 (UTC-0400): > mich...@robinson-west.com wrote: >> Linux won't run on a 286 or XT by the way. > *Unix* didn't run on a 286. There were a couple of attempts > (including one from AT) that died horribly due to lack of HW memory > management. It only became practical when the 386 was in common use. I ran a 286 Altos Xenix multiuser in 1988 just fine, Unix-y enough I couldn't tell any difference from SysV. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Do any of the installation media boot options allow to simply boot and run FORMAT C: /S?
Felix Miata composed on 2019-12-15 06:47 (UTC-0500): > When I moved the 60G to its newe laptop home, attempting to boot produces no > prompt, only a dot in the upper corner. I was able to boot the installation > CD, > and with that and the bios update file on C: start it, but it refused to run, > claiming there is no battery. :~( I got the new battery, flashed the BIOS from A19 to A34, turned off AHCI mode, and now it boots FreeDOS! :-D It does take a seeming eternity to POST though. :-p -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Do any of the installation media boot options allow to simply boot and run FORMAT C: /S?
Felix Miata composed on 2019-12-15 06:47 (UTC-0500): > When I moved the 60G to its newe laptop home, attempting to boot produces no > prompt, only a dot in the upper corner. I was able to boot the installation > CD, I repartitioned, put the HD into installation target Dell laptop as only HD, then installed by booting the 1.2 CD to a prompt, then: A:\> FORMAT C: /S /U /V:HI60P03FD12 Then I created C:\FDOS and copied the content of C:\BIN to it. That too boots to just a dot and a cursor and no keyboard response except to CAD. I purposely did not create C:\FDCONFIG.SYS. Has this become a requirement? If so, what is its bare minimum? I tried creating one, but it didn't change the apparent result. This is the partitioning: OS version : Linux 3.12.67 (x86_64) openSUSE 13.1 (Bottle) (x86_64) Current user : root on gx780 using TERM=linux Disk 2forcing : cylinders from 7296 to 57232 Disk 2forcing : heads from255 to 64 Disk 2forcing : sectors from 63 to 32 L-Geo Disk 2 Cyl :57232 H: 64 S:32 Bps:512 Size:0x06FC8000 = 57232.0 MiB S-Geo Disk 2 Cyl : 7296 H:255 S:63 Bps:512 Size:0x06FC7C80 = 57231.6 MiB MBR crc 054b4eb9 : 0x0c8ca699 = DFSee generic bootcode, US-English, I13X DFSee Linux 16.6 : Executing: part -d:2 Command timestamp : Thursday 2019-12-19 14:28:51 +---+--+--+-+++---++---+ |ID |ux|Dr|Type, description|Format |Related |VolumeLabel|OS2-LVM/BM / GPT / Crypt / additional in| Size MiB | +--++---+---+ |32 | | |FreeSpace Wasted |-- -- --|-- -- --|- - - - - -| |1.0| |32*| 1| |Hide 1b FAT32|FAT32 |MSDOS5.0|NO NAME|P01H60 ESP reserved P01H60 ESP reserved| 320.0| |33>| 2| |Prim 06 FAT16|FAT16 |FRDOS5.1|HI60P02FD12|P02H60 FreeDOS 1.2 P02H60 FreeDOS 1.2 | 250.0| |34*| 3| |Prim 83 LinuxNatv|EXT2|Linux |p03h60realb|P03H60 realboot P03H60 realboot| 400.0| |35 | 5| |Log 07 Inst-FSys|- |unknown |H3H4H5H6H7 |P05H60 WinSYS P05H60 WinSYS |50116.0| |36 | 6| |Log 07 Inst-FSys|- |unknown | |P06H60 Win Data P06H60 Win Data| 4096.0| |37 | 7| |Log 0c FAT32-Ext|- |unknown | |P07H60 Win drivers P07H60 Win drivers | 2048.0| |39 | | |Partial Cylinder |-- -- --|-- -- --|- - - - - -| | 0.563| DFSee Linux 16.6 : Executing: part -d:2 -n Command timestamp : Thursday 2019-12-19 14:28:56 +---+--+--+-+--+--+---+--+---+ |ID |ux|Dr|Type, description|Begin Sect|End sector| Cylinder range | Sectors | Size MiB | ++--+-+ |32 | | |FreeSpace Wasted | 0| 7ff| 0 -0| 800|1.0| |32*| 1| |Hide 1b FAT32| 800| a07ff| 1 - 320| a| 320.0| |33>| 2| |Prim 06 FAT16| a0800|11d7ff| 321 - 570| 7d000| 250.0| |34*| 3| |Prim 83 LinuxNatv|11d800|1e57ff| 571 - 970| c8000| 400.0| |35 | 5| |Log 07 Inst-FSys|1e5820| 63c77ff| 971 -51086| 61e1fe0|50116.0| |36 | 6| |Log 07 Inst-FSys| 63c7820| 6bc77ff| 51087 -55182| 7fffe0| 4096.0| |37 | 7| |Log 0c FAT32-Ext| 6bc7820| 6fc77ff| 55183 -57230| 3fffe0| 2048.0| |39 | | |Partial Cylinder | 6fc7800| 6fc7c7f| 57231 -57231| 480| 0.563| -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Do any of the installation media boot options allow to simply boot and run FORMAT C: /S?
Ralf Quint composed on 2019-12-15 12:58 (UTC-0800): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Thanks. While I was waiting I did a base install and a sans sources install, >> two >> different disks on the same i915 Dell. Both produced bootable results, but >> the >> first one, to the existing FAT 16 250 MB destroyed all 33 logical partitions >> on >> the drive in the process. Luckily I had documented all of them and >> successfully >> created them. > 33 logical partitions? How and why? Any DOS would not be able to handle > more than 24 (C: though Z:, internally, there might the possibility to > handle a couple more IIRC, but it still would leave you short of 33). > In any way, this would be a rather unusual use case and it would be more > helpful if you could provide more detailed info, both to understand your > "setup" and what possibly could have been interpreted by the FreeDOS > tools (in a wrong way)... http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Dfsee/ralfq20191215.txt are log excerpts from before (the first, to the 500G ST3500630NS) 1.2 installation, after (the first) 1.2 installation, and after partition reconstruction, intended to show only the what, not the why. http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Dfsee/dfsL-142230-070.txt is the entire log from the 18 minute partition reconstruction process. The 60G Hitachi in the logs is the original HD1 to which I made the 2nd 1.2 installation, as HD0 (and only HD), and which fails to boot the laptop. >> When I moved the 60G to its newe laptop home, attempting to boot produces no >> prompt, only a dot in the upper corner. I was able to boot the installation >> CD, >> and with that and the bios update file on C: start it, but it refused to run, >> cla > Same here. And at least the last message would indicate to me that there > is a more general problem with the laptop, possible due to the process > of removing and reinstalling the hard drive in that laptop... That laptop has no problem booting an SSD originally created as a product of backing up a several years newer desktop PC. The laptop does have trouble with hardware changes (network, disk & RAM anyway), which is precisely the reason for wanting to upgrade its 2008 BIOS to a 2013 version. I ordered a battery, not otherwise needed, for $12 this AM. > In general, these kind of hardware related issue are extremely hard > follow and understand on a mailing list (or any online method)... Maybe not so hard here, since the partitioning before and after FD12 installation is logged. In hindsight, I suspect I may have created the problem by neglecting to move the boot flag from sda3 (type 0x83 Linux Grub) to sda2 (type 0x0b installation target "C:") before beginning the 1.2 installer. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Do any of the installation media boot options allow to simply boot and run FORMAT C: /S?
Jerome Shidel composed on 2019-12-14 22:28 (UTC-0500): >> On Dec 14, 2019, at 9:13 PM, Felix Miata wrote: >> Do any of the installation media boot options allow to simply boot and run >>FORMAT C: /S >> ??? >> I don't need anything more than a bootable HD primary from which to boot >> FreeDOS >> and run a Dell BIOS upgrade where no floppy, CD or USB boot is possible. The >> boot >> menu on the installation media suggests no such option is possible, while >> some >> suggest it's likely I'd lose the existing partitioning that I do not want >> disturbed. What do Install to harddisk and Create drive C: actually entail? >> Can >> either produce a simple DOS prompt? > Yes. All of the media can do that. > Just boot the install media. > Then the installer starts automatically. > Select your language. > Then exit the installer. > This will quit the installer an drop you to a command prompt. > From there, you can run fdisk, format and several other commands to manually > partition and/or format ggumsthe a hard drive and transfer system boot files. Thanks. While I was waiting I did a base install and a sans sources install, two different disks on the same i915 Dell. Both produced bootable results, but the first one, to the existing FAT 16 250 MB destroyed all 33 logical partitions on the drive in the process. Luckily I had documented all of them and successfully created them. When I moved the 60G to its newe laptop home, attempting to boot produces no prompt, only a dot in the upper corner. I was able to boot the installation CD, and with that and the bios update file on C: start it, but it refused to run, claiming there is no battery. :~( -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Do any of the installation media boot options allow to simply boot and run FORMAT C: /S?
Do any of the installation media boot options allow to simply boot and run FORMAT C: /S ??? I don't need anything more than a bootable HD primary from which to boot FreeDOS and run a Dell BIOS upgrade where no floppy, CD or USB boot is possible. The boot menu on the installation media suggests no such option is possible, while some suggest it's likely I'd lose the existing partitioning that I do not want disturbed. What do Install to harddisk and Create drive C: actually entail? Can either produce a simple DOS prompt? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quick FreeDOS 1.3 Live CD Poll
Jerome Shidel composed on 2019-11-14 10:27 (UTC-0500): > I’m just looking to do quick poll on you thoughts and opinion. > When FreeDOS 1.3 is booted as a Live environment from the CD-ROM, should it > be permitted access to any internal hard drive(s)? > Allowing access, can permit reading and writing files and/or installation to > the HDD. > (This will allow installation. partitioning and other operations without a > need to reboot out of the Live Environment) > Preventing access, will prevent any accidental changes to the HDD and provide > a very safe playground. > (This will require rebooting the computer and selecting a different boot > option to install.) > Yes. Prevent access to internal hard drive. > No. Allow access to internal hard drive. Neither. Instead, include in boot menu to select either. People have been getting used to non-HD boot media enabling repairs, which typically means changing something on the HD. Disabling that entirely just seems wrong. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] usb stick for bios upgrade
Kevin McCormick composed on 2018-04-06 08:58 (UTC-0500): > I subscribed to this list because I am having a lot of trouble making a > simple dos usb stick to upgrade my computer bios. It is appalling that > the my motherboard manufacturer does not have the tools for linux (or > windows for that matter) and the AMI bios is equally appalling. > However, I really don't want to buy another motherboard. > I have no trouble installing freedos into a qemu virtual disk, or making > a bootable usb stick, but I don't know how to get around the freedos > setup routine and just have the functionality of a dos boot floppy. > Basically, I think I want to copy the necessary "base" files onto the > usb stick and have the needed /sys files. I believe that is enough for > the bios flash to work. > The motherboard is MSI 7677 E61 (B3) mini-tx intel socket 1155. You don't need a bootable USB stick. Any FAT USB stick Windows can read will do, because all the stick needs to have on it is the unpacked new BIOS. The way I read https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/H61IE35_B3#down-bios the BIOS will read the stick to find the new BIOS and install it if you simply follow the instructions on: https://www.msi.com/files/pdf/How_to_flash_the_BIOS.pdf IOW, you *don't* need *any* bootable OS to be able to Flash the MSI BIOS. I have a B85 MSI. All I had to do was put the new BIOS on a stick, go into BIOS setup, and follow my nose. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Question Regarding FreeDOS's fdisk
Eric Auer composed on 2018-01-22 03:14 (UTC+0100): >>> dual-boot system, and Win98 *has* to be on the first partition. >>That was never the case for me. e.g. > I agree that most operating systems happily boot from ANY primary > partition (not necessarily the active one), I seem to remember that > DOS and Windows are less happy to boot from LOGICAL partitions? > If you have more specific information, I would be happy to read it. AFAIK, neither MS-DOS nor PC-DOS nor Windows can ever boot from a logical. I was not describing booting from a logical. I was describing use of a single small (as little as ~32MB for 9x) FAT primary partition (that need neither be the first primary nor active) for Windows (NT/9x/2000/XP/Vista/7/8/10) to boot M$ from, along with all operating system installations on logicals. Having learned this with 9x, I can't recall ever installing XP anywhere but (logical) E: on any of my own BIOS PCs, (virtually?) all of which for 25 years or so have been and/or are multiboot. I do own a working PC with XP on C:, but I didn't create that installation. W7 (probably Vista, which I never installed anywhere, too) and newer apparently insist on calling the system partition C: even when it is a logical. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] eComStation on yahoogroups (was: Quattro Pro release
From: Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> Thomas Mueller composed on 2017-04-25 21:04 (UTC): >> ecs-techni...@yahoogroups.com >> ecomstat...@yahoogroups.com > How busy are those eCS lists on Yahoogroups? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/eComStation/info The former: 20 messages April, 0 March, 29 February, 30 January https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/eCS-Technical/info The latter: 1, 4, 50, 24. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: less than infinite (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quattro Pro releases
From: Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> dmccunney composed on 2017-04-25 08:53 (UTC-0400): > Felix Miata composed on 2017-04-24 23:07 (UTC-0400): >> I was never able to figure out how to make any of >> the non-OS/2 DOS emulators do SVGA text modes, required to produce the 132 >> column text modes that make QPro so valuable to me. > the few holdouts running DOS apps don't need OS/2 to do it. How do you reconcile what I wrote, which you failed to quote in response to my post, with what you wrote? How do you get *any* DOS emulator besides OS/2 to run the proprietary native SVGA text modes required to run QPro at 132 columns, like I do 24/7 with eCS? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: less than infinite (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quattro Pro releases
From: Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> Thomas Mueller composed on 2017-04-25 06:56 (UTC): > Felix Miata composed on 2017-04-24 23:07 (UTC-0400):... >> OS/2 needed the upgrade to MCP that eCS incorporated, and Dani's 506, DASD >> and ATAPI drivers to run on hardware that wasn't perfectly sync'd up to >> that in the PC hardware IBM was selling, or even when it did > I went to www.arcanoae.com, but some information was missing, such as GPT > support and 64-bit support. It runs on 64-bit CPUs as if on 32. AFAIK, there are no plans for foreseeable future for a 64-bit kernel. I have no idea about GPT support. Does any 32-bit OS support GPT? There are eCS mailing lists for those interested in clues to more of what's going on. ecs-techni...@yahoogroups.com ecomstat...@yahoogroups.com > I had difficulties with the OS/2 installers. In the case of Warp 4, an > Iomega Zip drive showed with two different, consecutive letters, making it > difficult to find the proper drive letters. That kind of stuff is what using the Dani drivers usually alleviated. > DOS and OS/2 FDISK led me to believe, erroneously, that a hard drive could > have only one primary partition, in addition to logical partitions. > Linux fdisk taught me better. I use none of the native partitioners since somewhere around 1999. DFSee, while not free, avoids potential incompatibilities, since it writes identical tables and legacy compatible MBR code whether used booted to DOS, OS/2, Windows, Linux or Mac. http://www.dfsee.com/ -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: less than infinite (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quattro Pro (was: Corel dos eba...)
From: Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> dmccunney composed on 2017-04-24 22:22 (UTC-0400): > Thomas Mueller wrote: >> My experience with Gnumeric is favorable. There are differences in syntax and navigation with Quattro Pro for DOS. >> Quattro Pro three-dimensional spreadsheets are practically impossible to import, even Excel can't do that. I don't try. On the rare occasions that I need content from a QPro file elsewhere, I get by exporting as .WK1. > How much use do you make of the 3D feature? Depends how one defines "3D". With 3D defined as multi-sheet/page files, I use it a lot. Of the 9 files I have open ATM, 3 are .WQ2. 3D as a graphical concept in a QPro context I know nothing about. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: less than infinite (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quattro Pro releases
From: Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> Thomas Mueller composed on 2017-04-25 02:07 (UTC): > I ran Quattro Pro through 5 in OS/2 Warp 3 and 4 until that final OS/2 crash > in the single-digit days of April 2001. > OS/2 froze, did not dismount cleanly. On reboot, CHKDSK, run automatically, > ran amok and trashed my hard-disk data. OS/2 needed the upgrade to MCP that eCS incorporated, and Dani's 506, DASD and ATAPI drivers to run on hardware that wasn't perfectly sync'd up to that in the PC hardware IBM was selling, or even when it did. > I was never again able to boot OS/2 again even from installation or other > floppies: trap 000c or 000e. > OS/2 must have panicked at the state of the hard drive(s), while Linux > starter floppy booted, and Linux fdisk was runnable. I never liked the OS/2, Warp or eCS installers, though the CD versions were and are far less frustrating. I eventually found installation infrequently necessary. Once the SDD/Snap video drivers arrived, I found migrating a working disk or a clone thereof from one PC to another to be much easier. I stuck to always having OS/2 on an F: partition both before and after LVM came on the scene, only installing to any other letter on a test basis. > I used DR-DOS 7.03 for some years. > I can still run Quattro Pro 5 for DOS in FreeDOS, or FreeBSD, NetBSD or Linux > with DOSBox. > Now I see how eComStation has greatly fallen behind, and FreeBSD and NetBSD > now seem to have much better hardware support than eComStation. > I can even rsync a FreeBSD or NetBSD installation to USB stick and make it > bootable. I don't think you can do that with eComStation. I keep several PCs competent to run the eCS version I use simply by transferring a HD with eCS on F: into it. I was never able to figure out how to make any of the non-OS/2 DOS emulators do SVGA text modes, required to produce the 132 column text modes that make QPro so valuable to me. eCS works much better than DesqView and QEMM ever did with "large" file I/O, which is truly dismal in any DOS I ever seriously tried. And of course, eCS is useful for other things. QPro is one of those apps where the better DOS than DOS objective of OS/2 really shines. eCS has a replacement "Blue Lion" coming online soon. Final beta was supposed to happen today or yesterday: https://www.arcanoae.com/ -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: less than infinite (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] *buntus (was: Corel dos eba...)
From: Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> Dale E Sterner composed on 2017-04-24 14:03 (UTC-0400): > What is the difference between Lubuntu & Ubuntu. > What difference does the L make. Kubuntu - KDE http://distrowatch.com/kubuntu Lubuntu - LXDE http://distrowatch.com/lubuntu Ubuntu - Unity/Gnome http://distrowatch.com/ubuntu Xubuntu - XFCE http://distrowatch.com/xubuntu -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: less than infinite (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quattro Pro releases (was: Corel dos...)
From: Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> dmccunney composed on 2017-04-23 17:52 (UTC-0400): > Versions are frequently skipped when software is released. Remember > Dale said this was *unreleased* software. (I don't recall offhand > whether there was an actual Quattro 5.5 release.) QPro 5.5 was released by Novell. I still have its manuals, and still keep 5.6 running 24/7 (in OS/2 in its eComStation incarnation). -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: less than infinite (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] boot floppy disk image too big for a disk
From: Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> I just looked inside http://www.freedos.org/download/download/FD12FLOPPY.zip "boot floppy", and a 3.5" 1.44M floppy. My floppy has 1457664 total bytes, 2847 512 byte sectors. The image downloaded is 1474560 bytes, so the downloaded image would not fit here either. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: less than infinite (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A few words about AOL and Yahoo
dmccunney composed on 2017-04-25 22:29 (UTC-0400): > Verizon may keep Yahoo Groups active (but change the name as part of > the re-branding.) I hope it continues. A lot of useful help groups and archives will disappear if it does not. Before it became yahoogroups in 2001 it was eGroups, which IIRC was the originator, not a rebrander. Before eGroups, mailing lists were primarily created and maintained by various interests serving the specific groups that needed them, using MajorDomo or software like it; before web forums existed, when Usenet was still useful to and known by the majority of the minority of people using the internet at all. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] eComStation on yahoogroups (was: Quattro Pro releases)
Thomas Mueller composed on 2017-04-25 21:04 (UTC): >> ecs-techni...@yahoogroups.com >> ecomstat...@yahoogroups.com > How busy are those eCS lists on Yahoogroups? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/eComStation/info The former: 20 messages April, 0 March, 29 February, 30 January https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/eCS-Technical/info The latter: 1, 4, 50, 24. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quattro Pro releases
dmccunney composed on 2017-04-25 08:53 (UTC-0400): > Felix Miata composed on 2017-04-24 23:07 (UTC-0400): >> I was never able to figure out how to make any of >> the non-OS/2 DOS emulators do SVGA text modes, required to produce the 132 >> column text modes that make QPro so valuable to me. > the few holdouts running DOS apps don't need OS/2 to do it. How do you reconcile what I wrote, which you failed to quote in response to my post, with what you wrote? How do you get *any* DOS emulator besides OS/2 to run the proprietary native SVGA text modes required to run QPro at 132 columns, like I do 24/7 with eCS? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quattro Pro releases
Thomas Mueller composed on 2017-04-25 06:56 (UTC): > I used 3D (.WQ2) with Quattro Pro. What if you have data for each month of > the year? Third dimension is 12 deep. https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/freedos-user/thread/2173a1b7-7f02-da55-6568-108380912f09%40earthlink.net/#msg35805095 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quattro Pro releases
Thomas Mueller composed on 2017-04-25 06:56 (UTC): > Felix Miata composed on 2017-04-24 23:07 (UTC-0400):... >> OS/2 needed the upgrade to MCP that eCS incorporated, and Dani's 506, DASD >> and ATAPI drivers to run on hardware that wasn't perfectly sync'd up to >> that in the PC hardware IBM was selling, or even when it did > I went to www.arcanoae.com, but some information was missing, such as GPT > support and 64-bit support. It runs on 64-bit CPUs as if on 32. AFAIK, there are no plans for foreseeable future for a 64-bit kernel. I have no idea about GPT support. Does any 32-bit OS support GPT? There are eCS mailing lists for those interested in clues to more of what's going on. ecs-techni...@yahoogroups.com ecomstat...@yahoogroups.com > I had difficulties with the OS/2 installers. In the case of Warp 4, an > Iomega Zip drive showed with two different, consecutive letters, making it > difficult to find the proper drive letters. That kind of stuff is what using the Dani drivers usually alleviated. > DOS and OS/2 FDISK led me to believe, erroneously, that a hard drive could > have only one primary partition, in addition to logical partitions. > Linux fdisk taught me better. I use none of the native partitioners since somewhere around 1999. DFSee, while not free, avoids potential incompatibilities, since it writes identical tables and legacy compatible MBR code whether used booted to DOS, OS/2, Windows, Linux or Mac. http://www.dfsee.com/ -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quattro Pro releases
Thomas Mueller composed on 2017-04-25 02:07 (UTC): > I ran Quattro Pro through 5 in OS/2 Warp 3 and 4 until that final OS/2 crash > in the single-digit days of April 2001. > OS/2 froze, did not dismount cleanly. On reboot, CHKDSK, run automatically, > ran amok and trashed my hard-disk data. OS/2 needed the upgrade to MCP that eCS incorporated, and Dani's 506, DASD and ATAPI drivers to run on hardware that wasn't perfectly sync'd up to that in the PC hardware IBM was selling, or even when it did. > I was never again able to boot OS/2 again even from installation or other > floppies: trap 000c or 000e. > OS/2 must have panicked at the state of the hard drive(s), while Linux > starter floppy booted, and Linux fdisk was runnable. I never liked the OS/2, Warp or eCS installers, though the CD versions were and are far less frustrating. I eventually found installation infrequently necessary. Once the SDD/Snap video drivers arrived, I found migrating a working disk or a clone thereof from one PC to another to be much easier. I stuck to always having OS/2 on an F: partition both before and after LVM came on the scene, only installing to any other letter on a test basis. > I used DR-DOS 7.03 for some years. > I can still run Quattro Pro 5 for DOS in FreeDOS, or FreeBSD, NetBSD or Linux > with DOSBox. > Now I see how eComStation has greatly fallen behind, and FreeBSD and NetBSD > now seem to have much better hardware support than eComStation. > I can even rsync a FreeBSD or NetBSD installation to USB stick and make it > bootable. I don't think you can do that with eComStation. I keep several PCs competent to run the eCS version I use simply by transferring a HD with eCS on F: into it. I was never able to figure out how to make any of the non-OS/2 DOS emulators do SVGA text modes, required to produce the 132 column text modes that make QPro so valuable to me. eCS works much better than DesqView and QEMM ever did with "large" file I/O, which is truly dismal in any DOS I ever seriously tried. And of course, eCS is useful for other things. QPro is one of those apps where the better DOS than DOS objective of OS/2 really shines. eCS has a replacement "Blue Lion" coming online soon. Final beta was supposed to happen today or yesterday: https://www.arcanoae.com/ -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quattro Pro (was: Corel dos eba...)
dmccunney composed on 2017-04-24 22:22 (UTC-0400): > Thomas Mueller wrote: >> My experience with Gnumeric is favorable. There are differences in syntax >> and navigation with Quattro Pro for DOS. >> Quattro Pro three-dimensional spreadsheets are practically impossible to >> import, even Excel can't do that. I don't try. On the rare occasions that I need content from a QPro file elsewhere, I get by exporting as .WK1. > How much use do you make of the 3D feature? Depends how one defines "3D". With 3D defined as multi-sheet/page files, I use it a lot. Of the 9 files I have open ATM, 3 are .WQ2. 3D as a graphical concept in a QPro context I know nothing about. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] *buntus (was: Corel dos eba...)
Dale E Sterner composed on 2017-04-24 14:03 (UTC-0400): > What is the difference between Lubuntu & Ubuntu. > What difference does the L make. Kubuntu - KDE http://distrowatch.com/kubuntu Lubuntu - LXDE http://distrowatch.com/lubuntu Ubuntu - Unity/Gnome http://distrowatch.com/ubuntu Xubuntu - XFCE http://distrowatch.com/xubuntu -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quattro Pro releases (was: Corel dos...)
dmccunney composed on 2017-04-23 17:52 (UTC-0400): > Versions are frequently skipped when software is released. Remember > Dale said this was *unreleased* software. (I don't recall offhand > whether there was an actual Quattro 5.5 release.) QPro 5.5 was released by Novell. I still have its manuals, and still keep 5.6 running 24/7 (in OS/2 in its eComStation incarnation). -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] boot floppy disk image too big for a disk
I just looked inside http://www.freedos.org/download/download/FD12FLOPPY.zip "boot floppy", and a 3.5" 1.44M floppy. My floppy has 1457664 total bytes, 2847 512 byte sectors. The image downloaded is 1474560 bytes, so the downloaded image would not fit here either. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] boot floppy disk image too big for a disk
Dennis Fenton composed on 2017-03-23 20:32 (UTC-0500): > After some research I decided FreeDOS would be a good replacement for > MS-DOS 6.22 on an old 486 I'm playing with. > I downloaded and burned to CD the iso. I also downloaded the boot > floppy disk image because the old 486 will not boot from the external > SCSI CD drive. > To my dismay I found that the boot disk image is too big to fit on a > 1.44 floppy. How much "too big"? Is it because your floppy has bad sectors. Floppies without bad sectors are rather uncommon around here. For this reason I try to avoid image writes, which demand all sectors in the media's spec be usable, and a format that worked once may well be that last the media will accept without error. > This makes me question the decision to switch. How in the world can an > organization dedicated to promoting this better version of DOS get it > wrong when it comes to the size of a disk image? > Do you have a fix for this?-- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2+ Preview 12 - Now with Dimples
Mateusz Viste composed on 2016-02-23 09:28 (UTC+0100): > I'm going with Louis on this one. When installing FreeDOS, I'd expect > the installer to overwrite my MBR with clean boot code, so I don't have > any troubles booting FreeDOS post install. That's what MS-DOS did, and > that's what I expect from any OS in fact. I expect more sophistication than such belligerence. Even WinXP checks MBR code compatibility, and leaves it undisturbed if OK. > Naturally, an appropriately big warning must be presented before doing > so, and if the user knows he has some tricky configuration (multi-boot), > he should be able to select an option "leave my MBR alone please, I will > take care of it myself". This I find acceptable, and inconsistent with your previous paragraph. All the non-ancient Linux installers I'm familiar with allow the MBR to be kept undisturbed, even if it means the new Linux installation seems won't be bootable. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Site24x7 APM Insight: Get Deep Visibility into Application Performance APM + Mobile APM + RUM: Monitor 3 App instances at just $35/Month Monitor end-to-end web transactions and take corrective actions now Troubleshoot faster and improve end-user experience. Signup Now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=272487151=/4140 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dual boot
Nils Stavlid composed on 2016-01-02 20:52 (UTC+0100): , > just created a FAT32 partition (alongside NTFS partition with windows xp > installed) and installed FreeDOS 1.1 from CD on that partition. However, > I´m unable to get to boot FreeDOS, win xp jumps in every time. Since I´m > totaly newbie I´m hoping for someone to help me out... Your Windows XP boot.ini file needs an entry added for your FreeDOS so that you'll see a boot selection menu after POST completes. Start with http://best-windows.vlaurie.com/boot-ini.html and if that's not good enough try http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/install-doz-after.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS running on Linux
Mark Spalenka composed on 2015-11-15 05:16 (UTC): > ... a solution to boot FreeDOS from a local Harddrive on a laptop. If you > have any other solutions that would allow me to boot FreeDOS from a Hard > Drive I would be interested in learning. Once again, I just want to boot > FreeDOS from my Harddrive on a Centrino or Later model PC. I have linux on > this PC. I do not want to share any memory with another Operating System. > This is called 'Booting Native' as I understand terminology. I want to > boot FreeDos Native and then maybe, just maybe, put Linux in a DOS Box of > memory. Any other suggestions? Do what most people do, create a multiboot PC. Partition the HD, put DOS on one partition, and put Linux (and another Linux, and/or OS/2, and/or Windows, and/or another Linux, yada) on as many partitions as you please. Most such installations use Linux's Grub bootloader to chainload DOS or Windows, which makes them act as though they were the only OS on the PC while booted. If booted to Linux you have the option to run the DOS installation in a VM without leaving Linux, but it's certainly not required to use virtualization if you have multiboot. Maybe these will help: http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/partitioningindex.html http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/install-doz-after.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] video modesetting (was: Vertical lines/bands...)
John Hupp composed on 2015-06-10 10:28 (UTC-0400): ...It worked with a Trident TGVI9680 PCI (ca. 1997) which has native VESA 1.2 support supporting 14 modes John Hupp composed on 2015-06-10 14:50 (UTC-0400): ...So I dug around and found an even older ISA card (a lowly 512KB Trident TVGA 9000A), and I'm not seeing any issues like I have had with the Oak An 8900 is what I put in the first PC I built for myself. It was more or less a fluke that I chose it, as it turned out to have the most comprehensive mode support of any at the time. When I upgraded to a PCI system, I stuck with Trident, initially a 9440 IIRC, which didn't last, followed by 9680, which kept me going through my transition from DesqView into OS/2 as primary environment. ...I am nonetheless happy to have a few things to work with to better match an LCD's aspect ratio: Eric's trick, for instance, on cards that support it. And I can also report that Japheth's setmxx seems to work as advertised. Even on a VGA card with no VESA support, this will let you get 34 or 60 lines, which is something I could not get from MODE on most cards even with VESA support This may have to do with the native Trident support for 30 and 60 lines. Most others had only 30 or 60, if either natively, only if at all via VESA. I did not test svgatextmode. If it works it would seem to have more capabilities than setmxx, but after I started reading the included documentation (much of which is for Linux), I was not clear about how to install or use it, and under the circumstances I was losing for heart for lengthening the long slog that this has been. Maybe another time after I take care of some things that have been piling up. I don't remember any more because I only ever used other than 80x25 in DOS through apps supporting higher, but I'm thinking getting higher using Trident was relatively simple, maybe from a utility on the driver floppy shipped with Trident cards. It might be instructive to know some of the modes old cards supported natively. The video resource files that Borland's Paradox and Quattro Pro shipped with offered some help for those who could decipher their meaning. I did some of that way back when, resulting in upgrades of those resource files to work with newer cards after most of the old card makers disappeared and the PCs using them retired: http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/paradox.vid http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/video.rsc (Quattro Pro) Note that from among all that were available back then, only AMD aka ATI from those lists has native mode support surviving in gfxchips used in AGP and PCIe cards. This is what enables me through Snap (more evolved SDD) on eComStation (aka OS/2) to keep on running Paradox and Quattro Pro with an LCD. Text is not nearly as nice on an LCD as on a CRT, but it's acceptable, and keeps me keeping on without having to waste time trying to morph all the effort from decades past into equivalent utility from current apps. The older you get, the more there is to be said for not trying to fix what ain't broke. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Vertical lines/bands in LCD display but OK on CRT
John Hupp composed on 2015-06-09 12:46 (UTC-0400): To fix that I suppose I would need to come up with a Vesa driver for the card, and would welcome any suggestions. Pull the Oak and put in a Trident or ATI, best the latter, which would work well if you want to boot Linux on that machine. Trident offers more native SVGA text modes if that's important for any of your DOS apps. Anyone with a box of old ISA video cards should have a bunch of both ATI and Trident. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Vertical lines/bands in LCD display but OK on CRT
John Hupp composed on 2015-06-09 15:42 (UTC-0400): Rugxulo also suggests this in a follow-up post. I have now tried univbe 6.7 and sdd 6.53. Both explicitly support the Oak chipset. Both report that they provide this card with VESA 3.0 support including 3 graphics modes (though so far I haven't found a way to make it tell me what those modes are). Rugxulo: I saw your link to univbe51, but I haven't tried that yet. But with both drivers, mode con lines=34 reports that it can't do that. Doesn't SDD for DOS provide its own utility for setting mode? SDD for OS/2 does. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Vertical lines/bands in LCD display but OK on CRT
Dale E Sterner composed on 2015-06-09 16:50 (UTC-0400): Another dumb question; are there any good books out there about Vesa.? I had one. I loaned it to a nephew. He donated it to the Clearwater Florida Public Library. :-( If it's still there, one could probably get it through the lending program USA libraries use, if it's still there, and you can figure out how to determine the title, which I have no recollection of. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS printing
Don Flowers composed on 2015-06-04 11:26 (UTC-0400): All but one of my computers have parallel ports (the advantage of buying HP Enterprise machines off-lease) Parallel ports on a PC aren't much of a problem. PCI add-in cards with parallel ports are available new, and there are probably hundreds of thousands of them around used as pulls from retired PCs. - I'm just trying to find a reasonbly priced Dot Matrix printer :^) Adjusted for inflation since they were the standard printer type, prices now are much less than they were 30 years ago: http://www.newegg.com/Dot-Matrix-Printers/SubCategory/ID-631?Order=PRICE http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828289009 looks exactly like my 25 year old 24 pin GSX-140. http://choiceprinters.com/dmsc/Citizen_GSX-140_AH10-M01.html -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS printing (was: dos usb driver!)
Thomas Mueller composed on 2015-06-04 07:20 (UTC): I've been unable to get my printer, HP LaserJet Professional 1212nf MFP working. Now I think it might be nonstandard implementation of PostScript or whatever command language. Legacy DOS apps relied on drivers specific to them. DOS itself didn't support printers, much less MF devices. It merely provided access to the interfaces of the time, serial ports, and parallel ports. You could sent text or text files directly to printers via these interfaces, but not control the printers via postscript or other printer languages. Postscript wasn't even invented until DOS had been around a couple of years, and even so, it wasn't made available except in the most expensive of printers until quite some time after invention. The major apps like WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 relied on printer drivers written specifically for those apps to produce control of things we now take for granted, like margin settings and font selection. Character sets were whatever the printer itself included, usually limited to 2 or 3 (fixed) pitches and line spacing choices of 66 or 88 lines per letter size page, in your orientation choice of portrait or portrait. Those that offered graphics modes were horrifically slow in those modes. Why would HP have hplip when other printer manufacturers have no such thing? Marketing in part, but also because none ever emulate any printer language other than its own, and the cheaper models typically omit postscript support or any but one particular dialect from among the many of its own. IOW, it's more complicated for mere mortals to figure out how to set up HP printers without it, a bigger hurdle than with other printer brands. But can a laser or inkjet printer with standard interface work in FreeDOS? What is a standard interface in FreeDOS? IBM/M$ DOSes date from long before the invention of USB and the ubiquity of networking, IIRC only ever knowing serial ports and parallel ports. This question interests me too, as I just bought a new HL-5470DW printer today to replace a Canon that provided no emulation of any kind. The new provides Epson FX, IBM Proprinter and PCL6 emulations in addition to Brother's own language, but neither parallel port nor serial port connectivity. In Linux I'll be using it via IP, but it would be nice to be able to use it directly from a DOS boot somehow to print old WP and spreadsheet files with embedded Epson FX printer control codes. Before postscript and HP's LJ* languages, the most popular printer languages that I can remember were IBM's own, Epson's, and Okidata's. Epson's seem to have become the most popular of those three, and continue to be included in some printers made by manufacturers other than Epson, Brother in particular, which is why I bought what I bought, and never consider buying HP for personal use. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] displays GRUB on startup
Skyler F composed on 2015-05-29 16:40 (UTC-0600): I got it from my Grandpa because it was sitting at his house with no use. I used to use the computer as my primary AllStar link node [1] and has been running 24/7. This computer fits the era of bad caps. Yikes, glad my cap did not fail or cause a fire while it was in full time use! I don't think I want to get in there unless a cap actually fails, there are so many caps, it would be a pain to solder all of those. This computer won't have that kind of use anymore. What I wrote was meant mainly to inspire investigation prior to getting dependent on it. If you open it (very easy, two buttons, no tools) to take a look and find no caps to be obviously bad, odds are its prior reliability will remain intact. If some are bad, it would only be those of that rating that you would consider replacing, most likely somewhere between 3 and about 20-24, all being those of relatively larger physical sizes. The risk applies to caps in its power supply, which if goes bad can kill a motherboard. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] displays GRUB on startup
Skyler F composed on 2015-05-29 16:03 (UTC-0600): Felix Miata wrote: Fixing your problem may be as simple as booting the installation disk to a command prompt, then running FDISK /MBR. Thanks! Solved the problem! :-D Time to load motorola programming software for ham radio use. Skyler F composed on 2015-05-29 09:43 (UTC-0600): I am trying to install freeDOS on my Dell Dimension 8400 with a pentium 4 processer. Is this a recent acquisition? That was manufactured in an era when Dell products were suffering the bad cap plague[1]. You may wish to look up the service tag on Dell's web site to find the date of manufacture if it doesn't show up on or in the case somewhere. If it is actually from the rough period you may want to physically investigate its innards, and take any necessary action to avoid potential downtime[2]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague [2] http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5295 -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] displays GRUB on startup
Skyler F composed on 2015-05-29 19:11 (UTC-0600): I took a look, and the capacitors seemed to be fine. Including power supply? One had the slightest bulge, but was a smaller cap and didn't seem to be out of control leaking. If I get to it, I might check the values printed with a capacitance meter to see if they have lost any capacitance. I don't have a way to measure ESR, which would be nice, telling me which ones have a greater chance of heating up. http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/72-9912 is typically $99 in their sale catalogs, worth the price if you find yourself trying to fix electronics more often than rarely. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS
Marcos Favero Florence de Barros composed on 2014-12-14 10:26 (UTC-0200): I was wondering whether one of the reasons why old computers fail is that the BIOS gets corrupted over time because it is stored in rewritable media. Many of the old computers that I'v tried to reuse seem to have problems in keyboard, floppy and CD operation, which, I believe, are directly related to the BIOS. Might depend on how old is old. A huge number of motherboards and power supplies made starting shortly after the turn of the century and for the following half decade or so were made using capacitors that don't last[1]. Before total failure occurs, all kinds of wierd things can happen or not as their defects begin manifesting. If that is so, then perhaps flashing the BIOS might fix this kind of problem. Unlikely, but possibly. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] newbie help?
On 2014-07-16 10:37 (GMT-0700) Dave Stevens composed: Changing diskettes to the one with the flash program and bios image fails for some reason when changing diskettes. Ideas? 1-configure a boot floppy with USB support 2-put the flash program and new BIOS file on a USB stick 3-try flashing immediately after boot by prepending drive letter to flash program That may not work if the flash program isn't smart enough to find the BIOS binary on the non-current drive, in which case: 4-add command.com to the USB stick 5-boot the floppy 6-change to the drive letter allocated to the USB stick 7-flash Another alternative: old floppy drives and dual drive cables are in virtually every small shop that fixes puters. Put a second one on the cable to put the #2 floppy in. That's how PCs were used before HDs for PCs existed. Also, old shops tend to have old small HDs nobody wants they will sell dirt cheap or give away. With a PATA to SATA converter one of those with a small FAT primary partition containing only boot and flash files could be used even for a brand new puter. Similar goes for ZIP drives, where you could put the flash files instead of on a second floppy. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! Try it now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bds ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support (was: Rufus error messages)
On 2014-07-16 17:18 (GMT-0700) Bill Haught composed: Only SATA Modes available are AHCI and RAID Looks like I'm S.O.L. BIOS has no mention of IDE or Legacy anywhere at all? If not, I would think AHCI would include some degree of legacy support. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! Try it now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bds ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support
On 2014-07-16 18:55 (GMT-0700) Louis Santillan composed: Also you try booting with uide as Rugxulo mention (config.sys) or try booting from cd. I wouldn't try that myself except as an absolutely last resort. Most flash utilities that come with any documentation warn that DOS needs to be loaded with empty CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT. Totally empty is probably overkill, but who knows what might be unsafe? -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! Try it now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bds ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] newbie help?
On 2014-07-12 12:03 (GMT-0700) Dave Stevens composed: I need to make a bootable DOS disk and don't see how. I have a computer that needs a BIOS update. Instructions are to make a bootable DOZ diskette, boot from that, run the manufactorer's update program and the BIOS update will be copied into the ROM. But! the smallest boot diskette I can make doesn't have enough room for the update program and the BIOS image. You don't need everything on one floppy. Put the BIOS image on a separate floppy. After booting, switch floppies, then flash. You don't have to use a floppy. All you really need is any boot disk that doesn't load drivers or other fluff into RAM during boot. If you have an extra HD, create a small DOS partition on it, do format C: /S, put the flash program and bios image on it, boot from it without any AUTOEXEC.BAT or CONFIG.SYS, then flash. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FORCELBA usage
I don't see in any docs found that the forcelba option available in the SYS command can be used in conjunction with the FORMAT /S command. Is it implied? I don't want to waste the entire content of my HD over problems with one partition. What I've been doing with no problem on a .5T HD is causing trouble with a 1T HD, showing ?/32/33 geometry on disks partitioned with ?/64/32 geometry for Linux and Windows. First primary (type 0x0B) should be shared between WinXP's boot files (XP system files on a logical D:), which has always worked for me on .5T and under HDs. Everything Linux is working as expected. Is the FORCELBA option a cmdline option to SYS, or a CONFIG.SYS or IO.SYS option needed for running the FORMAT command? Reading http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/sys.htm I can't tell. :-( Am I seeing a wrap problem due to HD size? If so, is there a workaround, such as putting FreeDOS on a second primary instead of sharing with XP? -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
On 2014-05-05 09:32 (GMT-0400) Dale E Sterner composed: So what prevents higher clock speeds for IDE. Crosstalk and impedance, but there are other reasons why SATA is better too. For a better answer you could have looked it up instead of asking here. e.g. http://hexus.net/tech/tech-explained/storage/1339-pata-vs-sata/ -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Is your legacy SCM system holding you back? Join Perforce May 7 to find out: #149; 3 signs your SCM is hindering your productivity #149; Requirements for releasing software faster #149; Expert tips and advice for migrating your SCM now http://p.sf.net/sfu/perforce ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] chkdsk for fat32!
On 2014-04-19 13:01 (GMT-0400) dmccunney composed: Er, 486 != XT hardware. I still have my original XT sitting on a shelf. It has a replacement motherboard with a 10 *mhz* NEC V20 CPU, a Hercules graphics card, and two Seagate ST-225 20 *MB* MFM hard drives connected to an add-on controller card. (They pre-date IDE.) If the target is genuine XT hardware, I'm not surprised if a more recent CHKDSK will fail to run. Among other reasons, it's likely compiled to run on 386 CPUs, and simply won't execute on anything earlier. The XT CPU is an 8088, which, like the 8086 from which it is derived, is a 16 bit CPU. The difference between them is the 8088 has an 8 bit IO bus path (an IBM cost reduction misfeature incorporated into the XT), while the 8086 has 16 bit. The NEC V20 is a functional clone of the 8088 intended to be run at higher clock speeds, and with claimed greater internal efficiency. None AFAIK can possibly run 32 bit software. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_microprocessors#The_16-bit_processors:_MCS-86_family -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, this first edition is now available. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/NeoTech ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Printing from FREEDOS
On 2014-04-06 09:18 (GMT+0200) Graham composed: I appreciate this may have been asked before but I can't find the answer in the archives. I have a bootable USB stick with FREEDOS on. My PC has no parallel or serial port, only USB, wi-fi and Ethernet. How do I print? Thanks Do you have a parallel port printer? Does your PC have any free expansion slots? LPT port cards are cheap, often providing serial and/or other expansion ports as well. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Put Bad Developers to Shame Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration Continuously Automate Build, Test Deployment Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud. http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees_APR ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 404 for floppy
On 2014-02-26 18:07 (GMT-0600) Rugxulo composed: Felix Miata wrote: Dec 31 2011 readme.txt on the 1.1 iso says to get a bootable floppy image download http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/fdos1440.img It generates a 404. What is a URL that works? I don't know. I don't remember seeing any such image in 1.1. At least, I never used one, and I don't see it locally here (laptop's subdir, ..\freedos\1.1). You'll presumably have to use an older floppy image, e.g. from ../unofficial . http://www.freedos.org/download/ has no link I can find for a 1.1 floppy image. Floppies aren't exactly popular anymore. So there isn't much incentive for most people to care. Most machines don't come with floppy drives anymore. Most new machines don't, but the world does not lose an old machine for every new machine produced. WRT DOS especially, old machines remain viable much longer than average. Is there something on the CD iso that can make a bootable 1.1 floppy without having to burn and boot the CD iso? A simple floppy image wouldn't be hard to make If it was easy to make, I wouldn't have asked. I've found few installation programs more irritating than that of FreeDOS. Every time I wanted a simple bootable floppy or HD instance had to go through a frustrating and tedious selection process to avoid bloat to get it installed to a HD before I could produce a simple bootable instance on a floppy from which I could ... but what would you do with it? e.g. FORMAT /S a new HD's new FAT partition (to ensure all the essential hardware and BIOS work as expected), or toggle the boot flag from partition 1 to partition 2 with *FDISK when I need it switched back where it was to start with after a Windows installer moved it. When troubleshooting a system with cover(s) off, laying on its side to access its innards, usually the OM drive is poised to drop the CD on the floor at every opportunity, while a floppy will hang tight in its slot after the eject button is pushed. And of course one *still* on occasion encounters BIOS updates that only work by first booting something, and that something is still often, as it used to be always, DOS. Forget about selling me on USB. They aren't big enough to write anything useful on about what they contain or their purpose, and they don't have a standardized size and shape that lends itself to organized storage. To boot USB here usually requires at least fiddling with the BIOS first, and again after, assuming the hardware is new enough to support it. Floppies may not be the most reliable of hardware, but they don't scratch, and they have a respectable writing surface that can accept a stick on label of useful size. In other words, what pieces of software need to be on there? Whatever was on the 1.0 image would probably do it for me. Obviously kernel and shell, but what else? Content of my last booted (a few days ago) DOS2000 floppy: Directory of A:\ AMSICD SYS11,914 2-26-96 1:27p AMSIDA SYS32,489 2-26-96 12:50p ASPI8XX SYS61,466 10-07-98 4:06a ATTRIB EXE 8,664 4-30-98 7:00a AUTOEXEC 288 8-23-98 4:41p AUTOEXEC BAT11 10-16-98 4:42a CHKDSK COM13,470 4-30-98 7:00a COMMAND COM52,965 4-30-98 7:00a COMMAND NEW53,248 4-30-98 7:00p CONFIG ASP20 10-30-98 3:35p CONFIG SY 1,258 10-05-98 1:15a CONFIG SYS 169 11-12-12 3:43p DEBUGCOM15,302 4-30-98 7:00a EMM386 EXE 119,390 4-30-98 7:00a FDISKCOM27,817 4-30-98 7:00a FORMAT COM24,300 4-30-98 7:00a HIMEMSYS14,160 4-30-98 7:00a LABELCOM 4,179 4-30-98 7:00a LOADHI COM28,200 5-12-95 7:50a LOADHI SYS26,572 5-12-95 7:50a MFT EXE 372,480 1-15-95 3:10a MFT INI 2,599 5-12-95 7:50a MOUSECOM37,681 4-30-98 7:00a MOUSEINI24 10-30-98 3:56p MSCDEX EXE21,180 4-30-98 7:00a QEMM386 SYS 230,729 5-12-95 7:50a RAMDRIVE SYS 5,067 4-30-98 7:00a SMARTDRV EXE44,121 4-30-98 7:00a SYMCDSYS13,989 11-22-96 4:04a SYS COM 9,702 4-30-98 7:00a SYSINFO EXE63,812 1-07-97 12:21p TED COM 7,754 12-17-92 2:12a XCOPYEXE11,614 4-30-98 7:00a 33 file(s) 1,316,634 bytes used Content of my last booted (less than a week ago) M$DOS 7.1 floppy: Directory of A:\ ASPI8XX SYS62,712 2-14-00 4:09a ASPICD SYS29,620 4-23-99 10:22p ATTRIB EXE15,252 4-23-99 10:22p AUTOEXEC BAT 1,174 6-17-00 11:21a BTCDROM SYS21,971 4-23-99 10:22p BTDOSM SYS30,955 4-23-99 10:22p COMMAND COM93,890 4-23-99 10:22p CONFIG SYS 214 1-21-04 1:44a EBD CAB 272,206 4-23-99 10:22p EDIT COM69,902 4-23-99 10:22p EDIT HLP
[Freedos-user] 404 for floppy
Dec 31 2011 readme.txt on the 1.1 iso says to get a bootable floppy image download http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/fdos1440.img It generates a 404. What is a URL that works? http://www.freedos.org/download/ has no link I can find for a 1.1 floppy image. Is there something on the CD iso that can make a bootable 1.1 floppy without having to burn and boot the CD iso? -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] formatting floppies
On 2013-11-10 09:07 (GMT-0800) Mark Brown composed: i have a dell optiplex gx280. first i found it doesn't support 2 floppys, only 1. fine. now, however, 1.44 mb diskettes format fine with ms-dos 6.22, but freedos trying to format them says: # Boot sector unreadable, disk not yet formatted Treating int 13.8 drive type 0x0 as 1440k Using drive default 1440k ( Cyl=80 Head=2 Sec=18 ) Cannot find existing format - forcing full format Please enter volume label (max. 11 chars): Full Formatting (wiping all data) Format_Floppy_Cylinder ( head=0 cylinder=0 ) sectors=18 [int 13.5] Critical error during INT disk access INT 13 status (hex): 40 Bits: seek operation failed Description: seek failed Program Terminated [Error 192] Does anyone know how to make FreeDOS format floppies on this? Again, MS-DOS does just fine, but FreeDOS forces the 13 messages above. then quits! this is a user and a development question. If any one can shed light on it it'd be nice. Optiplex floppy drives I've come across seem to be efficient dust collectors. Have you tried cleaning yours? Do you have another floppy drive you could temporarily substitute? It need not be installed, but merely connected. How many different floppy discs did you try? In this day and age, floppies tend to be rather old, and less reliable than they were 2-3 decades ago. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] anything better in pure dos thant his?
On 2013-11-08 18:31 (GMT-0500) Karen Lewellen composed: I have aquired and set up two removable drives with which I intend backing up the two hard drives in my pure dos machine. I was planning to use xcopy for this, but before I start am wondering if there is anything else? Again although I am not using freedos, my computer only has dos, so any idea should strictly run in this. One option is creating partition images, which wouldn't necessarily require running DOS to do. Generally it is best not to make images from partitions with files open, but that's often easily avoided by booting USB or OM, such as the systemrescue CD or a live Linux distro, to run an imaging program. The partitioner I use isn't free[1], but does have binaries for DOS in addition to Windows, Mac, Linux and OS/2, creating tables that every PC OS can be happy to use. It also does duty, among other things, as an imaging utility, and because of the logs it makes when used, makes partition cataloging and management much easier for users with a lot of media than other methods I've ever encountered. [1] http://www.dfsee.com/ (The DFSee CD boots FreeDOS.) -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Warningsafter installing FD on a partitioned Drive
John, I've been using SuSE/openSUSE for over a decade without ever having seen a boot menu that uses function keys for selection. This suggests you've been using some boot loader other than one from openSUSE, one which was probably installed either in the MBR or in the partition the floppy disk recognized as C:, and which you disturbed or obliterated using the SYS command. The partitioner the SuSE installer uses may have been used to create partition(s) for its use using different logical geometry than that used by the installed DOS version(s) and/or the FD boot floppy. Likely the geometry isn't a real problem that needs fixing, but recovering the bootloader you had been using may be the first thing that needs doing. If I had it here what I would try is setting the system up to boot into the SuSE Grub bootloader using the recovery option from the SuSE installation media, and from that choose to boot either WinDOS or FreeDOS or openSUSE as desired. Before that though I would try moving the boot flag from C: to the Linux partition if the latter is a primary to see if Linux will boot. If it does, it probably already has menu entry(s) for booting DOS and/or Win98. It might be easier than recovering Linux bootloader status via repair to use a newer openSUSE installation media to upgrade Linux. If any Linux root or boot partition is a primary, I would install Grub to that primary, if it isn't there already. This option (booting from Linux on a primary without disturbing WinDOS MBR code) allows use of standard PC compatible MBR boot code, and won't corrupt the ability to boot Linux after any event like your application of SYS C:. All that would be required in a repeat of such event would be to restore the boot flag from the C: partition back to the Linux primary. cf. http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/install-doz-after.html -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Warningsafter installing FD on a partitioned Drive
On 2013-11-08 22:27 (GMT-0800) John R. Sowden composed: I just tried to load Suse. The functions key for Linux both were ignored, staying in a loop asking for a function key press. I think the loader was Lilo. This was installed several years ag ago (5+). The computer has 16 MB RAM. I mainly use it as a DOS With so little RAM it sounds like it may well have been over a decade ago and the computer 15 or more years old. Do you have the Linux install media still? If so, what version is it? computer. I was running the DOS of Windows 98, yes FAT32. That is why I wanted to run the Fat32 version of fd. I use 4dos as my command processor. So if this was not the right way, how am I supposed to install freedos on a multipartitioned drive? Did you consider using the installation CD rather than a floppy? Can I write over the fd with lilo. My In the past decade or more, most Linux distributions have been using Grub instead of Lilo. concern is that I have a lot of important data on this DOS computer. I don't think what you have done blocks access to your data more than temporarily. You should be able to boot live DOS or Linux media to copy data from wherever it is now to OM, USB or another HD before attempting a dangerous type of repair to the original HD. For a Linux recovery of DOS data I would use Knoppix on either USB or CD or DVD. Knoppix is the granddaddy of Live Linux media, with a huge toolset. The Systemrescue CD would be an alternative, often suggested by others, but which I've rarely used myself. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Desqview
On 2013-07-12 06:38 (GMT-0700) Jerome Ibanes composed: I'm having an issue running Deskview 2.8 on FreeDos, which I would describe as such: - Desqview 2.8 can be freely downloaded at http://www.chsoft.com/dv.html - I am not running QEMM (not required with Desqview). - I do want to run Desqview, accept no substitute. - I am not running Dosbox. The installation process runs fine, but upon starting Desqview, I run across this error: Missing (or bad) DESQview file: DESQVIEW.DVO. Subsequently, the application is then unable to run dos applications. Would anyone know how to address this issue? The file DESQVIEW.DVO is indeed present in C:\DV (where I installed Desqview). The following is from CONFIG.SYS used on my last PC that would run QEMM and DV: [MAX] SWITCHES =/F/W DEVICE=C:\Q\QEMM386.SYS RAM ROM BE:N XSTI=1A X=F000-F8FF X=FE00-FEFF SHELL=C:\Q\LOADHI.COM C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM C:\DOS\ /p /f /k C:\AE.BAT set AUTOBAT=AE.BAT set CONFIG=MAX DOS = HIGH BUFFERS = 8 FILES = 60 FCBS= 1,0 LASTDRIVE = Z DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS C:\DOS\RAMDRIVE.SYS 6144 128 512 /E set BUFFERS=SMALL set RAMDISK=6144 set DOSHIGH=YES BREAK=ON STACKS=0,0 Maybe it holds a clue to a solution? I haven't used DV since 1997 when I found I needed full GUI internet access and made OS/2, the better DOS than DOS of that age and still, my primary OS. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Official IRC channel?
On 2013-05-06 21:21 (GMT-0500) Michael B. Brutman composed: The old official IRC channel at irc.i7c.org does not work anymore, probably because i7c.org is no longer running an IRC server. Worse, i7c looks like an unconfigured virtual server. Can we designate a new IRC channel on a network that is better supported? And then update http://www.freedos.org/lists/ ? (I'll handle the Wikipedia entry, which is old and needs other updates too.) Freenode.net is a pretty popular and robust IRC network. The unofficial channel is already there at ##freedos ... Freenode rules! I know of no better place. Moznet is excellently run too. I'm always connected to both, and use Moznet more. Why ##freedos and not #freedos I can't imagine. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
On 2013-04-22 12:36 (GMT-0700) Mark Brown composed: the lowest-order operating system has to be installed first, Though it tends to make desired results more likely and/or easier, it certainly need not. http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/install-doz-after.html -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
On 2013-04-22 21:39 (GMT+0200) Eric Auer composed: MiB cyl: * 64 32 (required for maximum performance for 4k sector aka advanced format HDs) Why would 4k sector disks use any geometry at all? Disks don't use geometry. PC BIOS partition tables entries have multiple components. To conform to any of the somewhat inconsistent PC BIOS partition table standards, entries have both CHS components and LBA components. Partitioning tools are what use CHS for the purpose of reading and writing conforming table entries, and very significantly, choosing partition start sectors. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/dfsPTedit.png CHS * 64 32 is about making sure partition starting points are aligned on 4k multiples for performance reasons. http://www.seagate.com/tech-insights/advanced-format-4k-sector-hard-drives-master-ti/ -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
On 2013-04-21 15:48 (GMT+0200) Aleve Sicofante composed: I have a single 40GB disk and I need its first partition for other purposes, so I want to install FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk (that's the last 1GB of the disk, BTW). The process seems to be the same as if chose the first partition, but when I'm finished, FreeDOS won't boot. It will boot indeed if I install it on the first partition. Regarding the boot method, I honestly don't know the differences between the boot methods presented at the end of the installation process. I've chosen between 1 and 2, with no results (I haven't tried 3 and 4). Is it possible to install FreeDOS on the second partition at all or is it mandatory to use the first partition? If it's possible, what do I have to do to make it boot? What boots when you turn it on depends on the content of the MBR. With generic DOS-compatible code in the first part of the MBR, what boots depends on a flag in the last part of the MBR containing the partition table. The bootable flag needs to be moved from the first partition's entry there to the second one's entry. Without other software, once you do that, the first partition will no longer be bootable unless the flag is moved back. To work around this several solutions are available involving either replacing the MBR code and/or installing a boot manager and/or reconfiguring one already present in a current installation to present a menu at boot time to choose what to boot. What you would then have is a multi-boot system, meaning a system with two, three or more operating systems installed and bootable. Any number of utilities, including FDISK, can quickly and simply move the bootable flag. Some call it make startable or make active or activate. More info: http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/partitioningindex.html -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
On 2013-04-21 17:48 (GMT+0200) Aleve Sicofante composed: Thanks Felix, so it doesn't matter which choice I select in the last installation step? I'm referring to the last step you can see on this picture: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/nfs/project/f/fr/freedos/5/5b/Installhdd21.png. What choice from 1 to 5 should I select? My first partition is NOT a bootable OS partition, so I understand I should install some boot manager like grub or something like that? Because the first isn't a bootable OS anyway, I would definitely choose #1, the simplest. If the OS that needs access to the first is old and unsophisticated, another solution might be needed for it to maintain access to it. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
On 2013-04-21 18:19 (GMT+0200) Aleve Sicofante composed: Felix Miata composed: Because the first isn't a bootable OS anyway, I would definitely choose #1, the simplest. If the OS that needs access to the first is old and unsophisticated, another solution might be needed for it to maintain access to it. OK, but even if I choose #1 I'll need a boot manager, right? Wrong. With only one bootable OS installed, and only one HD in the system, there's no compelling reason to have any boot manager. GRUB will do? If you want one, sure. Syslinux is another option. And AiRBoot. And others. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
On 2013-04-21 19:32 (GMT+0200) Aleve Sicofante composed: Felix Miata composed: On 2013-04-21 18:19 (GMT+0200) Aleve Sicofante composed: Felix Miata composed: Because the first isn't a bootable OS anyway, I would definitely choose #1, the simplest. If the OS that needs access to the first is old and unsophisticated, another solution might be needed for it to maintain access to it. OK, but even if I choose #1 I'll need a boot manager, right? Wrong. With only one bootable OS installed, and only one HD in the system, there's no compelling reason to have any boot manager. Well, the definitely compelling reason is that the system simply will not boot. That's the whole reason I started this thread. It will boot fine if I install on the first partition, but not at all if I install in the second partition. No other differences involved. I wrote what I wrote based upon a context-based assumption. You asked in a FreeDOS forum, and spoke of a two partition HD, with no mention of any other HDs in the target system, and no basis on which to infer any particular experience level re partitioning, booting, multiple OS installations, etc. How was the partition you installed to created? Using what tool? Booted to what? If #2 was created as a logical, then either: 1-it needs to be deleted, a primary created in its place to conform to customary DOS assumptions, then FreeDOS reinstalled; or 2-a boot manager and/or non-standard MBR code is/are required, one option of which is the #2 selection on the screenshot you linked to previously GRUB will do? If you want one, sure. Syslinux is another option. And AiRBoot. And others. I'll try GRUB, since I'm an Ubuntu user and I'm already familiar with it. But I'm definitely curious about what would prevent the system from booting if only the second partition is used. Standard PC BIOS code can only boot a primary partition on a first HD. My personal preference is IBM Boot Manager (which needs a dedicated partition), with Grub Legacy next in preference, installed by booting a Knoppix that has Grub Legacy (I've not investigated to see if newer Knoppix releases have only Grub2 or include both). I would definitely not use Grub2 on a HD that has no bootable Linux installed. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
