Re: [efloraofindia:434238] Re: 373 ID wild plant

[J.M. Garg]

This is *Gynura pseudochina
 *as
per keys in BSI Flora of India
 due
to tuberous roots and as per POWO

specimen

and
FoPI
.
A very good find, Sam ji.
Tuberous roots have helped in nailing the id.
Your complete photography showing all parts is highly appreciated.

On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 09:24, Saroj Kasaju  wrote:

> Looks more close to Gynura cusimbua (D. Don) S. Moore since there seems
> to be no distribution
> of *Gynura nepalensis *DC. for Kerala and south India.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 7:00 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> Also check comparative images at
>> https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/03/gynura/
>>
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>> J. M. Garg
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Oct, 2022, 6:42 am J.M. Garg,  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Sheila ji
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Sun, 9 Oct, 2022, 2:59 am Plantaholic Sheila., <
>>> plantaholicshe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 *Maybe Gynura nepalensis?*

 On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:24:52 PM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila.
 wrote:

> Gynura sp.
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:19:17 PM UTC+1 samkuzh...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Sharing an image
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:47 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sharing more images
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:43 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Sharing more images

 On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:40 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu, <
 samkuzh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please ID wild plant, kind regards, Sam.
>
> Location: near Vannappuram, Thodupuzha, Idukki Dist., Kerala
> PIN:685607
>
> Altitude: 1500fsl
>
> Flower date: 08OCT2022, 12.50pm
>
> Habitat: wild moisture, misty hill, no sunlight
>
> Plant habit: small shrub erect/obliquely, un branched, weak
> fleshy stem, hairy, tuberous, perennial
>
> Height: 20cm
>
> Leaves: alternate, elliptic, acute, soft fleshy, glossy, winged
> petiole, size:14×8cm
>
> Flower: terminal spike racemose clustered, semi globular,
> size:12x18mm, yellow, non fragrant
>
> Fruit:
>
> Seed:
> Camera: CANON EOS1500D +FL10x
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[efloraofindia:434238] Re: ID: white-flowered spreading prostrate plant

[Mahadeswara]

Yes from me also.   Seen here also.

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:08:55 PM UTC+5:30 fazal...@gmail.com 
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> Sanchi
> Shade
> Sandstone-derived soils
> 7/10/2022
>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434236] Re: 373 ID wild plant

[Saroj Kasaju]

Looks more close to Gynura cusimbua (D. Don) S. Moore since there seems to
be no distribution
of *Gynura nepalensis *DC. for Kerala and south India.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 7:00 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> Also check comparative images at
> https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/03/gynura/
>
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> J. M. Garg
>
> On Sun, 9 Oct, 2022, 6:42 am J.M. Garg,  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Sheila ji
>>
>> --
>> With regards,
>> J. M. Garg
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Oct, 2022, 2:59 am Plantaholic Sheila., <
>> plantaholicshe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *Maybe Gynura nepalensis?*
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:24:52 PM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila.
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Gynura sp.

 On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:19:17 PM UTC+1 samkuzh...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Sharing an image
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:47 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
> wrote:
>
>> Sharing more images
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:43 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sharing more images
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:40 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Please ID wild plant, kind regards, Sam.

 Location: near Vannappuram, Thodupuzha, Idukki Dist., Kerala
 PIN:685607

 Altitude: 1500fsl

 Flower date: 08OCT2022, 12.50pm

 Habitat: wild moisture, misty hill, no sunlight

 Plant habit: small shrub erect/obliquely, un branched, weak fleshy
 stem, hairy, tuberous, perennial

 Height: 20cm

 Leaves: alternate, elliptic, acute, soft fleshy, glossy, winged
 petiole, size:14×8cm

 Flower: terminal spike racemose clustered, semi globular,
 size:12x18mm, yellow, non fragrant

 Fruit:

 Seed:
 Camera: CANON EOS1500D +FL10x

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Re: [efloraofindia:434235] Ladakh, August 2022 :: Cousinia thomsonii for validation :: ARK2022-135

[J.M. Garg]

Great collection again.
I also agree with id as per images at *Cousinia thomsonii* C.B.Clarke



On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 09:10, Saroj Kasaju  wrote:

> Yes Alka Ji . Nice pics !
> Thank you.
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 8:31 AM Alka Khare  wrote:
>
>> Hello friends
>>
>> This was at Namika la (a pass on the Srinagar Kargil route) at 3700 mt.
>> ASL in August 2022.
>>
>> Cousinia thomsonii
>> I arrived at the ID based on FoI and eFI pics. Requested to please
>> validate
>>
>> Thanks and regards
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Re: [efloraofindia:434234] Re: Ladakh, August 2022 :: Halogeton glomeratus for validation :: ARK2022-136

[J.M. Garg]

Wow!!! Great collection!!!
I also agree with id as per images at Halogeton glomeratus


On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 09:09, Saroj Kasaju  wrote:

> Yes. beautiful images.
> Thank you Alka Ji!
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 8:40 AM Alka Khare  wrote:
>
>> Some more pics.
>> The flowers were so small that it was difficult to get them in focus.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:24:17 AM UTC+5:30 Alka Khare wrote:
>>
>>> Hello friends
>>>
>>> This was at Fotu la, Ladakh (4108 mt. ASL on the Srinagar Kargil route)
>>> in August 2022.
>>>
>>> Halogeton glomeratus
>>> I arrived at the ID based on FoI and eFI pics. Requested to please
>>> validate
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards
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Re: [efloraofindia:434233] Re: Ladakh, August 2022 :: Stachys tibetica :: ARK2022-137

[J.M. Garg]

I also agree as per images at Stachys tibetica


On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 09:06, Saroj Kasaju  wrote:

> Yes. Nice images !
> Thank you.
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 8:53 AM Alka Khare  wrote:
>
>> Missed the pics, here they are
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:30:12 AM UTC+5:30 Alka Khare wrote:
>>
>>> Hello friends
>>>
>>> This was at the Lamayuru monastery near the famed moonland on the
>>> Srinagar Kargil route at 3500 mt. ASL in August 2022.
>>>
>>> Stachys tibetica
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards
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Re: [efloraofindia:434230] Ladakh, August 2022 :: Cousinia thomsonii for validation :: ARK2022-135

[Saroj Kasaju]

Yes Alka Ji . Nice pics !
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


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> Hello friends
>
> This was at Namika la (a pass on the Srinagar Kargil route) at 3700 mt.
> ASL in August 2022.
>
> Cousinia thomsonii
> I arrived at the ID based on FoI and eFI pics. Requested to please validate
>
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Fwd: [efloraofindia:434230] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[J.M. Garg]

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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight ::
Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06
To: Dinesh Valke 


It can be seen in two publications. But I have doubts, if this will stand
scrutiny of time. If somebody does the revision of Torenia, these will at
most be treated as a variety of T.crustacea.
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On Sun, 9 Oct, 2022, 8:45 am Dinesh Valke,  wrote:

> Thanks Garg ji. Now let us hope someone get photo(s) of *Torenia
> godefroyi*.
> Regards.
> Dinesh
>
> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022, 06:38 J.M. Garg,  wrote:
>
>> I feel along with calyx, fruiting calyx completely covering the capsule
>> in *Torenia godefroyi* is very important. It is very very difficult to
>> judge only based on winged calyx.
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>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 9:05 pm Tabish,  wrote:
>>
>>> Let me summarize my view here:
>>>
>>>-   Saldanha (1966) named *Torenia lindernioides* which, according
>>>to his paper, is endemic to the Western Ghats, and differs from *Torenia
>>>crustacea* in having a prominently winged calyx.
>>>-  Prasad, Roy, Sunojkumar (2017) re-established *Torenia godefroyi,*
>>>and put *Torenia lindernioides* as its synonym. *Torenia godefroyi*
>>>was separated from *Torenia crustacea* in having a prominently
>>>winged calyx, among other characters. *Torenia godefroyi *was
>>>earlier known only from Indo-China region (SE Asia). So, according to 
>>> this
>>>paper, the revised distribution of *Torenia godefroyi* is Indo-China
>>>region and Western Ghats.
>>>- So my question is, where is this *Torenia godefroyi* from Western
>>>Ghats with prominently winged calyx? Don't we have any image of it? Or 
>>> are
>>>we misidentifying some of its images as
>>> *Torenia crustacea? *
>>>
>>>I think some thinking is required on it, instead of this rapid
>>> discussion.
>>> Tabish
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>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:09 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>>
 Hi, Dinesh ji,
 As all has now been identified as Lindernia crustacea
 , it has to
 be the same i.e. with the winged calyx.

 On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:56, Dinesh Valke 
 wrote:

> Garg ji, when I go through photographs posted in  SK 3258 24 December
> 2021  that
> show calyx, they do not seem to me as "distinctly winged" or ribbed. They
> look to me rather as separated sepals. That is how I perceive.
> Regards.
> Dinesh
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:23 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> Hi, Dinesh ji,
>> How do you say "All of the other observations at eFI related to
>> Lindernia crustacea do not have distinctly winged calyx" ?
>> I feel otherwise that most of the observations at eFI related to
>> Lindernia crustacea also have distinctly winged calyx.
>> Pl. see one e.g. SK 3258 24 December 2021
>> 
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Dinesh Valke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and
>>> therefore rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist.
>>> But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link
>>> to this discussion.
>>>
>>> All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea
>>> do not have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as 
>>> Lindernia
>>> crustacea.
>>> I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give
>>> his views regarding this discussion.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Dinesh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish  wrote:
>>>
 Dear Dinesh,
I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated
 from T. crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the 
 distinctly
 winged calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. 
 crustacea
 as it shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T.
 godefroy, it may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, 
 pics,
 herbarium pics of  T. godefroy to compare with.
Tabish
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 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke 
 wrote:

> At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides*
> C.J.Saldanha for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri

Re: [efloraofindia:434230] Re: Ladakh, August 2022 :: Halogeton glomeratus for validation :: ARK2022-136

[Saroj Kasaju]

Yes. beautiful images.
Thank you Alka Ji!

Saroj Kasaju


On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 8:40 AM Alka Khare  wrote:

> Some more pics.
> The flowers were so small that it was difficult to get them in focus.
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:24:17 AM UTC+5:30 Alka Khare wrote:
>
>> Hello friends
>>
>> This was at Fotu la, Ladakh (4108 mt. ASL on the Srinagar Kargil route)
>> in August 2022.
>>
>> Halogeton glomeratus
>> I arrived at the ID based on FoI and eFI pics. Requested to please
>> validate
>>
>> Thanks and regards
>> Alka Khare
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Re: [efloraofindia:434228] Ladakh, August 2022 :: Astragalus munroi for validation :: ARK2022-134

[Saroj Kasaju]

OK Alka Ji !
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 8:46 AM Alka Khare  wrote:

> Thank you Saroj ji, Sir ji and Garg ji for the validation.
>
> Regards
> Alka Khare
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:04:02 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Alka ji, for the wonderful images from Ladakh.
>> Thanks, Singh ji, for all the ids and specimens.
>> I also agree as per images at Astragalus munroi
>> 
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 11:26, Gurcharan Singh  wrote:
>>
>>> I think yes, it has very distinctive pods
>>> Mine from Mathoo, 1971
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>>> Retired  Associate Professor
>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:10 AM Saroj Kasaju  wrote:
>>>
 Yes, for me.
 Thank you.

 Saroj Kasaju


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> Hello friends
>
> This was at Namika la (a pass on the Srinagar Kargil route) at 3700
> mt. ASL in August 2022.
>
> Astragalus munroi.
> Requested to please validate
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Re: [efloraofindia:434228] Re: Ladakh, August 2022 :: Stachys tibetica :: ARK2022-137

[Saroj Kasaju]

Yes. Nice images !
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 8:53 AM Alka Khare  wrote:

> Missed the pics, here they are
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:30:12 AM UTC+5:30 Alka Khare wrote:
>
>> Hello friends
>>
>> This was at the Lamayuru monastery near the famed moonland on the
>> Srinagar Kargil route at 3500 mt. ASL in August 2022.
>>
>> Stachys tibetica
>>
>> Thanks and regards
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Re: [efloraofindia:434227] Ladakh, August 2022 :: Prostrate plant for ID :: ARK2022-132

[Alka Khare]

Thanks so much Garg ji for validating.

Regards
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On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:58:14 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote:

> I also agree as per images at *Polygonum paronychioides* C.A. Mey. 
> 
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 10:15, Alka Khare  wrote:
>
>> Ohh, thank you Sir ji.
>>
>> This looks like *Polygonum paronychioides.*
>>
>> Regards
>> Alka Khare
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:08:20 AM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Polygonum sp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Retired  Associate Professor
>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:45 AM Alka Khare  wrote:
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 Hello friends

 This was at Namika la (a pass on the Srinagar Kargil route) at 3700 mt. 
 ASL in August 2022.

 Requested to please ID

 Thanks and regards
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Re: [efloraofindia:434226] Re: Ladakh, August 2022 :: Acantholimon (?) for ID :: ARK2022-133

[Alka Khare]

Thanks Garg ji.

Regards
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On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:01:21 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote:

> I also agree as per images at *Acantholimon lycopodioides* (Girard) Boiss. 
> 
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 10:52, Alka Khare  wrote:
>
>> Thank you Sir ji so much for validating.
>> Your first pic so matches mine. Even mine was from Namika la.
>>
>> Regards
>> Alka Khare
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:29:57 AM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Herbarium Sheet of above closeup
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>>> Retired  Associate Professor
>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
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>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 10:26 AM Gurcharan Singh  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In 1971




 Dr. Gurcharan Singh
 Retired  Associate Professor
 SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
 https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/


 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 10:26 AM Gurcharan Singh  
 wrote:

> Yes Alka ji, Acantholimon lycopodioides
> I had collected from Namikala and Drass 
>
>
>
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> Retired  Associate Professor
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>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 9:02 AM Alka Khare  wrote:
>
>> I found this again at Fotu la, Ladakh (4108 mt. ASL), an hour later
>> Attaching pics from Fotu la.
>>
>> There seems to be a very slight tint of pink in one of the pics.
>>
>> Regards
>> Alka Khare
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 8:59:41 AM UTC+5:30 Alka Khare wrote:
>>
>>> Hello friends
>>>
>>> This was at Namika la (a pass on the Srinagar Kargil route) at 3700 
>>> mt. ASL in August 2022.
>>>
>>> I so liked these delicate flowers and wanted to zero in on the ID. 
>>> This for me was one of the highlights of the Ladakh tour.
>>>
>>> I went through FoI and eFI multiple times but could not find a 
>>> match. Then all of a sudden on one of the international FB groups, 
>>> someone 
>>> posted something similar from Turkey - Acantholimon armomum.
>>>
>>> I was so excited to finally found a clue. However, Acantholimon on 
>>> eFI and FoI looked so different, I am not sure.
>>> Is this Acantholimon lycopodioides? Or something completely 
>>> different?
>>> Are these bracts?
>>>
>>> Requested to please ID.
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards
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Re: [efloraofindia:434225] Ladakh, August 2022 :: Astragalus munroi for validation :: ARK2022-134

[Alka Khare]

Thank you Saroj ji, Sir ji and Garg ji for the validation.

Regards
Alka Khare
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:04:02 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote:

> Thanks, Alka ji, for the wonderful images from Ladakh.
> Thanks, Singh ji, for all the ids and specimens. 
> I also agree as per images at Astragalus munroi 
> 
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 11:26, Gurcharan Singh  wrote:
>
>> I think yes, it has very distinctive pods
>> Mine from Mathoo, 1971
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>> Retired  Associate Professor
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>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:10 AM Saroj Kasaju  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, for me.
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 9:19 AM Alka Khare  wrote:
>>>
 Hello friends

 This was at Namika la (a pass on the Srinagar Kargil route) at 3700 mt. 
 ASL in August 2022.

 Astragalus munroi.
 Requested to please validate

 Thanks and regards
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[efloraofindia:434224] Ladakh, August 2022 :: Stachys tibetica :: ARK2022-137

[Alka Khare]

Hello friends

This was at the Lamayuru monastery near the famed moonland on the Srinagar 
Kargil route at 3500 mt. ASL in August 2022.

Stachys tibetica

Thanks and regards
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Re: [efloraofindia:434219] Re: 373 ID wild plant

[J.M. Garg]

Also check comparative images at
https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/03/gynura/

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On Sun, 9 Oct, 2022, 6:42 am J.M. Garg,  wrote:

> Thanks, Sheila ji
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> On Sun, 9 Oct, 2022, 2:59 am Plantaholic Sheila., <
> plantaholicshe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Maybe Gynura nepalensis?*
>>
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:24:52 PM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila.
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gynura sp.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:19:17 PM UTC+1 samkuzh...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Sharing an image

 On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:47 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
 wrote:

> Sharing more images
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:43 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
> wrote:
>
>> Sharing more images
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:40 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please ID wild plant, kind regards, Sam.
>>>
>>> Location: near Vannappuram, Thodupuzha, Idukki Dist., Kerala
>>> PIN:685607
>>>
>>> Altitude: 1500fsl
>>>
>>> Flower date: 08OCT2022, 12.50pm
>>>
>>> Habitat: wild moisture, misty hill, no sunlight
>>>
>>> Plant habit: small shrub erect/obliquely, un branched, weak fleshy
>>> stem, hairy, tuberous, perennial
>>>
>>> Height: 20cm
>>>
>>> Leaves: alternate, elliptic, acute, soft fleshy, glossy, winged
>>> petiole, size:14×8cm
>>>
>>> Flower: terminal spike racemose clustered, semi globular,
>>> size:12x18mm, yellow, non fragrant
>>>
>>> Fruit:
>>>
>>> Seed:
>>> Camera: CANON EOS1500D +FL10x
>>>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434217] Re: 373 ID wild plant

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Thanks, Sheila ji

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On Sun, 9 Oct, 2022, 2:59 am Plantaholic Sheila., <
plantaholicshe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Maybe Gynura nepalensis?*
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:24:52 PM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila.
> wrote:
>
>> Gynura sp.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:19:17 PM UTC+1 samkuzh...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sharing an image
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:47 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Sharing more images

 On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:43 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
 wrote:

> Sharing more images
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:40 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
> wrote:
>
>> Please ID wild plant, kind regards, Sam.
>>
>> Location: near Vannappuram, Thodupuzha, Idukki Dist., Kerala
>> PIN:685607
>>
>> Altitude: 1500fsl
>>
>> Flower date: 08OCT2022, 12.50pm
>>
>> Habitat: wild moisture, misty hill, no sunlight
>>
>> Plant habit: small shrub erect/obliquely, un branched, weak fleshy
>> stem, hairy, tuberous, perennial
>>
>> Height: 20cm
>>
>> Leaves: alternate, elliptic, acute, soft fleshy, glossy, winged
>> petiole, size:14×8cm
>>
>> Flower: terminal spike racemose clustered, semi globular,
>> size:12x18mm, yellow, non fragrant
>>
>> Fruit:
>>
>> Seed:
>> Camera: CANON EOS1500D +FL10x
>>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434217] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Aaratrik ji

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On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 9:38 pm Aaratrik Pal,  wrote:

> There should be good populations of T. godefroyi in Western Ghats, but
> some how being overlooked. I'm attaching an article link, where T.
> godefroyi is reported from Telangana state with photographs.
> Additions to the Flora of Telangana state of India, with notes on the
> phytogeographical importance - Gollamandala - 2022 - Feddes Repertorium -
> Wiley Online Library
> 
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:05:09 PM UTC+5:30 Tabish wrote:
>
>> Let me summarize my view here:
>>
>>-   Saldanha (1966) named *Torenia lindernioides* which, according to
>>his paper, is endemic to the Western Ghats, and differs from *Torenia
>>crustacea* in having a prominently winged calyx.
>>-  Prasad, Roy, Sunojkumar (2017) re-established *Torenia godefroyi,*
>>and put *Torenia lindernioides* as its synonym. *Torenia godefroyi*
>>was separated from *Torenia crustacea* in having a prominently winged
>>calyx, among other characters. *Torenia godefroyi *was earlier known
>>only from Indo-China region (SE Asia). So, according to this paper, the
>>revised distribution of *Torenia godefroyi* is Indo-China region and
>>Western Ghats.
>>- So my question is, where is this *Torenia godefroyi* from Western
>>Ghats with prominently winged calyx? Don't we have any image of it? Or are
>>we misidentifying some of its images as
>> *Torenia crustacea? *
>>
>>I think some thinking is required on it, instead of this rapid
>> discussion.
>> Tabish
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>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:09 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Dinesh ji,
>>> As all has now been identified as Lindernia crustacea
>>> , it has to
>>> be the same i.e. with the winged calyx.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:56, Dinesh Valke  wrote:
>>>
 Garg ji, when I go through photographs posted in  SK 3258 24 December
 2021  that
 show calyx, they do not seem to me as "distinctly winged" or ribbed. They
 look to me rather as separated sepals. That is how I perceive.
 Regards.
 Dinesh



 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:23 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> Hi, Dinesh ji,
> How do you say "All of the other observations at eFI related to
> Lindernia crustacea do not have distinctly winged calyx" ?
> I feel otherwise that most of the observations at eFI related to
> Lindernia crustacea also have distinctly winged calyx.
> Pl. see one e.g. SK 3258 24 December 2021
> 
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Dinesh Valke  wrote:
>
>> Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and
>> therefore rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist.
>> But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link
>> to this discussion.
>>
>> All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea
>> do not have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as 
>> Lindernia
>> crustacea.
>> I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give
>> his views regarding this discussion.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Dinesh
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Dinesh,
>>>I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated
>>> from T. crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the 
>>> distinctly
>>> winged calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. 
>>> crustacea
>>> as it shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T.
>>> godefroy, it may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, 
>>> pics,
>>> herbarium pics of  T. godefroy to compare with.
>>>Tabish
>>> ---
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides*
 C.J.Saldanha for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri
 , and 2) of Nagla
 forest .
 Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of
 Botany disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea*
 (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
 He says:
 "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T.
 godefroyi* have not been 

Re: [efloraofindia:434216] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

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I feel along with calyx, fruiting calyx completely covering the
capsule in *Torenia
godefroyi* is very important. It is very very difficult to judge only based
on winged calyx.
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On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 9:05 pm Tabish,  wrote:

> Let me summarize my view here:
>
>-   Saldanha (1966) named *Torenia lindernioides* which, according to
>his paper, is endemic to the Western Ghats, and differs from *Torenia
>crustacea* in having a prominently winged calyx.
>-  Prasad, Roy, Sunojkumar (2017) re-established *Torenia godefroyi,*
>and put *Torenia lindernioides* as its synonym. *Torenia godefroyi*
>was separated from *Torenia crustacea* in having a prominently winged
>calyx, among other characters. *Torenia godefroyi *was earlier known
>only from Indo-China region (SE Asia). So, according to this paper, the
>revised distribution of *Torenia godefroyi* is Indo-China region and
>Western Ghats.
>- So my question is, where is this *Torenia godefroyi* from Western
>Ghats with prominently winged calyx? Don't we have any image of it? Or are
>we misidentifying some of its images as
> *Torenia crustacea? *
>
>I think some thinking is required on it, instead of this rapid
> discussion.
> Tabish
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>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:09 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> Hi, Dinesh ji,
>> As all has now been identified as Lindernia crustacea
>> , it has to
>> be the same i.e. with the winged calyx.
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:56, Dinesh Valke  wrote:
>>
>>> Garg ji, when I go through photographs posted in  SK 3258 24 December
>>> 2021  that
>>> show calyx, they do not seem to me as "distinctly winged" or ribbed. They
>>> look to me rather as separated sepals. That is how I perceive.
>>> Regards.
>>> Dinesh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:23 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>>
 Hi, Dinesh ji,
 How do you say "All of the other observations at eFI related to
 Lindernia crustacea do not have distinctly winged calyx" ?
 I feel otherwise that most of the observations at eFI related to
 Lindernia crustacea also have distinctly winged calyx.
 Pl. see one e.g. SK 3258 24 December 2021
 

 On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Dinesh Valke 
 wrote:

> Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and
> therefore rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist.
> But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link
> to this discussion.
>
> All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea do
> not have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as Lindernia
> crustacea.
> I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give
> his views regarding this discussion.
>
> Regards.
> Dinesh
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish  wrote:
>
>> Dear Dinesh,
>>I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated
>> from T. crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the 
>> distinctly
>> winged calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. crustacea
>> as it shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T.
>> godefroy, it may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, 
>> pics,
>> herbarium pics of  T. godefroy to compare with.
>>Tabish
>> ---
>> www.flowersofindia.net
>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides*
>>> C.J.Saldanha for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri
>>> , and 2) of Nagla
>>> forest .
>>> Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of
>>> Botany disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea*
>>> (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
>>> He says:
>>> "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T.
>>> godefroyi* have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is
>>> also distributed in West Bengal."
>>>
>>> Aaratrik Pal 
>>> has written many articles related to *Torenia* spp.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Dinesh.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr.
 As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged 

Fwd: [efloraofindia:434215] Request ID please

[J.M. Garg]

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Date: Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:434180] Request ID please
To: J.M. Garg 


Dear Sri Garg ji for the very prompt feedback.

Thanks a lot

S.Ramanathan
Oct 08, 2022

On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 8:04 pm J.M. Garg,  wrote:

> It is Asclepias curassavica
> , as per
> images and details herein.
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:03, Sunanda Thyagaraja Iyer <
> sunandai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>> Found this growing in our house in the Nirth-Eastern part of
>> Bengaluru.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> S.Ramanathan
>> Oct 08, 2022
>>
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[efloraofindia:434215] Re: 373 ID wild plant

[Plantaholic Sheila.]

*Maybe Gynura nepalensis?*

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:24:52 PM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila. wrote:

> Gynura sp.
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:19:17 PM UTC+1 samkuzh...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Sharing an image
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:47 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu,  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sharing more images
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:43 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu,  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Sharing more images 

 On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:40 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu,  
 wrote:

> Please ID wild plant, kind regards, Sam.
>
> Location: near Vannappuram, Thodupuzha, Idukki Dist., Kerala 
> PIN:685607
>
> Altitude: 1500fsl
>
> Flower date: 08OCT2022, 12.50pm
>
> Habitat: wild moisture, misty hill, no sunlight 
>
> Plant habit: small shrub erect/obliquely, un branched, weak fleshy 
> stem, hairy, tuberous, perennial
>
> Height: 20cm
>
> Leaves: alternate, elliptic, acute, soft fleshy, glossy, winged 
> petiole, size:14×8cm
>
> Flower: terminal spike racemose clustered, semi globular, 
> size:12x18mm, yellow, non fragrant
>
> Fruit: 
>
> Seed: 
> Camera: CANON EOS1500D +FL10x
>


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[efloraofindia:434214] Re: 373 ID wild plant

[Plantaholic Sheila.]

Gynura sp.

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:19:17 PM UTC+1 samkuzh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sharing an image
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:47 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu,  
> wrote:
>
>> Sharing more images
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:43 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu,  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sharing more images 
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 11:40 pm Sam Kuzhalanattu,  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Please ID wild plant, kind regards, Sam.

 Location: near Vannappuram, Thodupuzha, Idukki Dist., Kerala PIN:685607

 Altitude: 1500fsl

 Flower date: 08OCT2022, 12.50pm

 Habitat: wild moisture, misty hill, no sunlight 

 Plant habit: small shrub erect/obliquely, un branched, weak fleshy 
 stem, hairy, tuberous, perennial

 Height: 20cm

 Leaves: alternate, elliptic, acute, soft fleshy, glossy, winged 
 petiole, size:14×8cm

 Flower: terminal spike racemose clustered, semi globular, 
 size:12x18mm, yellow, non fragrant

 Fruit: 

 Seed: 
 Camera: CANON EOS1500D +FL10x

>>>

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Re: [efloraofindia:434209] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[Aaratrik Pal]

There should be good populations of T. godefroyi in Western Ghats, but some 
how being overlooked. I'm attaching an article link, where T. godefroyi is 
reported from Telangana state with photographs.
Additions to the Flora of Telangana state of India, with notes on the 
phytogeographical importance - Gollamandala - 2022 - Feddes Repertorium - 
Wiley Online Library 


On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:05:09 PM UTC+5:30 Tabish wrote:

> Let me summarize my view here:
>
>-   Saldanha (1966) named *Torenia lindernioides* which, according to 
>his paper, is endemic to the Western Ghats, and differs from *Torenia 
>crustacea* in having a prominently winged calyx.
>-  Prasad, Roy, Sunojkumar (2017) re-established *Torenia godefroyi,* 
>and put *Torenia lindernioides* as its synonym. *Torenia godefroyi* 
>was separated from *Torenia crustacea* in having a prominently winged 
>calyx, among other characters. *Torenia godefroyi *was earlier known 
>only from Indo-China region (SE Asia). So, according to this paper, the 
>revised distribution of *Torenia godefroyi* is Indo-China region and 
>Western Ghats. 
>- So my question is, where is this *Torenia godefroyi* from Western 
>Ghats with prominently winged calyx? Don't we have any image of it? Or are 
>we misidentifying some of its images as 
> *Torenia crustacea? *
>
>I think some thinking is required on it, instead of this rapid 
> discussion.
> Tabish
> ---
> www.flowersofindia.net
> The waterhole of flower lovers
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:09 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> Hi, Dinesh ji,
>> As all has now been identified as Lindernia crustacea 
>> , it has to 
>> be the same i.e. with the winged calyx.
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:56, Dinesh Valke  wrote:
>>
>>> Garg ji, when I go through photographs posted in  SK 3258 24 December 
>>> 2021  that 
>>> show calyx, they do not seem to me as "distinctly winged" or ribbed. They 
>>> look to me rather as separated sepals. That is how I perceive.
>>> Regards.
>>> Dinesh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:23 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>>
 Hi, Dinesh ji,
 How do you say "All of the other observations at eFI related to 
 Lindernia crustacea do not have distinctly winged calyx" ?
 I feel otherwise that most of the observations at eFI related to 
 Lindernia crustacea also have distinctly winged calyx. 
 Pl. see one e.g. SK 3258 24 December 2021 
 

 On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Dinesh Valke  wrote:

> Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and 
> therefore rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist. 
> But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link 
> to this discussion. 
>
> All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea do 
> not have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as Lindernia 
> crustacea.
> I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give 
> his views regarding this discussion.
>
> Regards.
> Dinesh
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish  wrote:
>
>> Dear Dinesh,
>>I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated 
>> from T. crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the 
>> distinctly 
>> winged calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. 
>> crustacea 
>> as it shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T. 
>> godefroy, it may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, 
>> pics, 
>> herbarium pics of  T. godefroy to compare with. 
>>Tabish
>> ---
>> www.flowersofindia.net
>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides* 
>>> C.J.Saldanha for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri 
>>> , and 2) of Nagla 
>>> forest .
>>> Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of 
>>> Botany disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* 
>>> (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
>>> He says: 
>>> "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T. 
>>> godefroyi* have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is 
>>> also distributed in West Bengal."
>>>
>>> Aaratrik Pal  
>>> has 

Re: [efloraofindia:434207] Fwd: Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight :: Alysicarpus?? ::Gori Valley :: NS OCT 05/05

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg !

Saroj Kasaju


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:23 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> Great id suggestion, Saroj ji.
> However, in Nepal
>  and
> in this part of India, only Eriosema himalaicum
>  is reported
> as per BSI flora of India
> 
> .
> So I take it as  Eriosema himalaicum
> , as per
> images and details herein.
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 12:35, Saroj Kumar Kasaju 
> wrote:
>
>> *Eriosema chinense *Vogel
>> Thank you
>> Saroj Kasaju
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: JM Garg 
>> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:56:00 PM UTC+5:45
>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:398823] Fwd: Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight
>> :: Alysicarpus?? ::Gori Valley :: NS OCT 05/05
>> To: efloraofindia 
>> Cc: Nidhan Singh 
>>
>>
>> Maybe Polygala  species.
>> However, I could not find a match as per comparative images herein.
>> Somewhat close to *Polygala glomerata* Lour.
>> ,
>> but different.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Sept 2021 at 21:23, Gurcharan Singh  wrote:
>>
>>> Forwarding for ID
>>> Distributed as  Fabaceae member- Gori Valley
>>> 
>>> Group discussion at
>>> Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight :: Alysicarpus?? ::Gori Valley :: NS OCT
>>> 05/05 (google.com)
>>> 
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Nidhan Singh 
>>> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 8:02:56 PM UTC+5:30
>>> Subject: Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight :: Alysicarpus?? ::Gori Valley
>>> :: NS OCT 05/05
>>> To: indiantreepix 
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Please suggest id for this herb, though I do not have habit or seed pod
>>> pics..recorded from Gori valley area..!!
>>> Is this *Alysicarpus* sp. ?
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> Dr. Nidhan Singh
>>> Assistant Professor
>>> Department of Botany
>>> I.B. (PG) College
>>> Panipat-132103 Haryana
>>> Ph.: 09416371227
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Re: [efloraofindia:434206] Request ID please

[Saroj Kasaju]

Yes Mr. Garg !
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:19 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> It is Asclepias curassavica
> , as per
> images and details herein.
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:03, Sunanda Thyagaraja Iyer <
> sunandai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>> Found this growing in our house in the Nirth-Eastern part of
>> Bengaluru.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> S.Ramanathan
>> Oct 08, 2022
>>
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>> 
>> .
>>
>
>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434205] ID: white-flowered spreading prostrate plant

[Saroj Kasaju]

Yes Mr. Garg !
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:22 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> I think it is close to images and details at *Evolvulus nummularius* (L.)
> L.
> 
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:09, fazal...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
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>> Sanchi
>> Shade
>> Sandstone-derived soils
>> 7/10/2022
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Fazal
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Re: [efloraofindia:434204] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[Tabish]

Let me summarize my view here:

   -   Saldanha (1966) named *Torenia lindernioides* which, according to
   his paper, is endemic to the Western Ghats, and differs from *Torenia
   crustacea* in having a prominently winged calyx.
   -  Prasad, Roy, Sunojkumar (2017) re-established *Torenia godefroyi,*
   and put *Torenia lindernioides* as its synonym. *Torenia godefroyi* was
   separated from *Torenia crustacea* in having a prominently winged calyx,
   among other characters. *Torenia godefroyi *was earlier known only from
   Indo-China region (SE Asia). So, according to this paper, the revised
   distribution of *Torenia godefroyi* is Indo-China region and Western
   Ghats.
   - So my question is, where is this *Torenia godefroyi* from Western
   Ghats with prominently winged calyx? Don't we have any image of it? Or are
   we misidentifying some of its images as
*Torenia crustacea? *

   I think some thinking is required on it, instead of this rapid
discussion.
Tabish
---
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The waterhole of flower lovers


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:09 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> Hi, Dinesh ji,
> As all has now been identified as Lindernia crustacea
> , it has to be
> the same i.e. with the winged calyx.
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:56, Dinesh Valke  wrote:
>
>> Garg ji, when I go through photographs posted in  SK 3258 24 December
>> 2021  that show
>> calyx, they do not seem to me as "distinctly winged" or ribbed. They look
>> to me rather as separated sepals. That is how I perceive.
>> Regards.
>> Dinesh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:23 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Dinesh ji,
>>> How do you say "All of the other observations at eFI related to
>>> Lindernia crustacea do not have distinctly winged calyx" ?
>>> I feel otherwise that most of the observations at eFI related to
>>> Lindernia crustacea also have distinctly winged calyx.
>>> Pl. see one e.g. SK 3258 24 December 2021
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Dinesh Valke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and
 therefore rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist.
 But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link to
 this discussion.

 All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea do
 not have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as Lindernia
 crustacea.
 I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give his
 views regarding this discussion.

 Regards.
 Dinesh


 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish  wrote:

> Dear Dinesh,
>I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated
> from T. crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the distinctly
> winged calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. crustacea
> as it shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T.
> godefroy, it may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, pics,
> herbarium pics of  T. godefroy to compare with.
>Tabish
> ---
> www.flowersofindia.net
> The waterhole of flower lovers
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke 
> wrote:
>
>> At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides*
>> C.J.Saldanha for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri
>> , and 2) of Nagla
>> forest .
>> Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany
>> disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham.
>> & Schltdl.
>> He says:
>> "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T.
>> godefroyi* have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is
>> also distributed in West Bengal."
>>
>> Aaratrik Pal  has
>> written many articles related to *Torenia* spp.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Dinesh.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr.
>>> As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I
>>> can see it in my posted plants.
>>> In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the
>>> sepals are not completely enclosing the mature capsule.
>>>
>>> In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than
>>> distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*.
>>> I am not good at this assertion. So I hope 

[efloraofindia:434203] Fwd: 369 ID wild plant Spermacoce

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Sam ji.
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J. M. Garg

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From: Sam Kuzhalanattu 
Date: Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 8:43 pm
Subject: 369 ID wild plant Spermacoce
To: J.M. Garg 


Dear Garg ji,
Today I had a trekking to the misty hill at Vannappuram with Jomy ji, Giby
ji and Jomy ji's daughter (B.Sc. Botony student).
On this occasion they seen the same live plant directly and confirmed it as
*Hedyotis** membranacea.  And also they collected the specimens of *
*Artabotrys.*  With kind regards, Sam.

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Re: [efloraofindia:434202] 369 ID wild plant Spermacoce

[J.M. Garg]

What is Jomy's observation?
I can not see it here.

On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:58, Sam Kuzhalanattu 
wrote:

> Thanks a lot dear Jomy ji and Giby ji for the confirmation of my plant as
> *Hedyotis** membranacea*, with kind regards, Sam.
>
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022, 9:37 am Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much dear Garg ji for the great observations and providing
>> links.  With kind regards, Sam.
>>
>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022, 1:09 pm J.M. Garg,  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Giby ji.
>>> Pl. see POWO
>>>  
>>> (specimen
>>> 1
>>> )
>>> & GBIF  (specimen
>>> 1
>>> 
>>>  & 2
>>> )
>>> and Kerala Plants
>>> 
>>> Maybe there are some little variations in the species.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 22:13, Giby Kuriakose <
>>> giby.kuriak...@shcollege.ac.in> wrote:
>>>
 In Hedyotis membranacea, according to Gamble, the calyx teeths are
 short and glabrous (without hairs). Here it is hairy.
 To decide between Hedyotis or Lasianthus, we need to see the fruit,
 whether it is fleshy or dry.

 Regards

 On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 9:31 PM Sam Kuzhalanattu <
 samkuzhalana...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Garg ji,
> Yes, it is very close to *Hedyotis** membranacea*, thank you very
> much for ID my plant.  Kerala plants image is very close, with kind
> regards, Sam.
>
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022, 9:04 pm Saroj Kasaju, 
> wrote:
>
>> I guess that is the closest match Mr. Gargb!
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Saroj Kasaju
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 9:14 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>
>>> I checked many species listed with distribution in Kerala.
>>> To me it appears close to specimens of *Hedyotis membranacea *at
>>> POWO
>>> 
>>> (specimen 1
>>> )
>>> & GBIF  
>>> (specimen
>>> 1
>>> 
>>> & 2
>>> )
>>> and Kerala Plants
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 20:37, Saroj Kasaju 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Thank you Santhosh Ji for validating my guess !

 Saroj Kasaju


 On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 8:24 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> Thanks a lot, Santhosh ji
>
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 07:50, Dr E S Santhosh Kumar <
> santhoshkuma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is a Hedyotis species for sure. Not Lasianthus.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 15:40 J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>
>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
>>> I tried to check all listed species of Lasianthus
>>>  from Kerala,
>>> but could not reach an id.
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: J.M. Garg 
>>> Date: Wed, 28 Sept 2022 at 19:47
>>> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:433225] 369 ID wild plant Spermacoce
>>> To: efloraofindia 
>>> Cc: Sam Kuzhalanattu 
>>>
>>>
>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Sam Kuzhalanattu
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sept 2022 at 17:27
>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:433225] 369 ID wild plant Spermacoce
>>> To: efloraofindia 
>>>
>>>
>>> Please ID wild plant, kind regards, Sam.
>>>
>>> Location: near Vannappuram, Thodupuzha, Idukki Dist., Kerala
>>> PIN:685607
>>>
>>> Altitude: 1500fsl
>>>
>>> Flower date: 23SEP2022, 12.05pm
>>>
>>> Habitat: wild moisture, no sunlight rocky misty hill, wind
>>>
>>> Plant habit: small shrub, 

Re: [efloraofindia:434200] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Dinesh ji,
As all has now been identified as Lindernia crustacea
, it has to be
the same i.e. with the winged calyx.

On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:56, Dinesh Valke  wrote:

> Garg ji, when I go through photographs posted in  SK 3258 24 December 2021
>  that show
> calyx, they do not seem to me as "distinctly winged" or ribbed. They look
> to me rather as separated sepals. That is how I perceive.
> Regards.
> Dinesh
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:23 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> Hi, Dinesh ji,
>> How do you say "All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia
>> crustacea do not have distinctly winged calyx" ?
>> I feel otherwise that most of the observations at eFI related to
>> Lindernia crustacea also have distinctly winged calyx.
>> Pl. see one e.g. SK 3258 24 December 2021
>> 
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Dinesh Valke  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and
>>> therefore rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist.
>>> But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link to
>>> this discussion.
>>>
>>> All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea do
>>> not have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as Lindernia
>>> crustacea.
>>> I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give his
>>> views regarding this discussion.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Dinesh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish  wrote:
>>>
 Dear Dinesh,
I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated from
 T. crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the distinctly
 winged calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. crustacea
 as it shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T.
 godefroy, it may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, pics,
 herbarium pics of  T. godefroy to compare with.
Tabish
 ---
 www.flowersofindia.net
 The waterhole of flower lovers


 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke 
 wrote:

> At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides*
> C.J.Saldanha for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri
> , and 2) of Nagla
> forest .
> Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany
> disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham.
> & Schltdl.
> He says:
> "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T.
> godefroyi* have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is also
> distributed in West Bengal."
>
> Aaratrik Pal  has
> written many articles related to *Torenia* spp.
>
> Regards.
> Dinesh.
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke 
> wrote:
>
>> By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr.
>> As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can
>> see it in my posted plants.
>> In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the
>> sepals are not completely enclosing the mature capsule.
>>
>> In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than
>> distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*.
>> I am not good at this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his
>> comments soon and help resolve the ID.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Dinesh
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>
>>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or 
>>> *Torenia
>>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and
>>> Cambodia).
>>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia
>>> crustacea
>>>  like
>>> SK 3258 24 December 2021
>>> 
>>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
>>> 
>>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
>>> 
>>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district
>>> (Metro), Assam
>>> 
>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
>>> 
>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia 

Re: [efloraofindia:434200] ID: white-flowered spreading prostrate plant

[J.M. Garg]

I think it is close to images and details at *Evolvulus nummularius* (L.) L.



On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:09, fazal...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Sanchi
> Shade
> Sandstone-derived soils
> 7/10/2022
>
> Thank you,
> Fazal
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Re: [efloraofindia:434199] Request ID please

[J.M. Garg]

It is Asclepias curassavica
, as per
images and details herein.

On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:03, Sunanda Thyagaraja Iyer 
wrote:

> Hello friends,
>
> Found this growing in our house in the Nirth-Eastern part of Bengaluru.
> Thanks.
>
> S.Ramanathan
> Oct 08, 2022
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Re: [efloraofindia:434197] ID: four-petaled purplish flower

[J.M. Garg]

This is close to images at *Neanotis lancifolia* (Hook.f.) W.H.Lewis


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wrote:

> Bhopal
> Black soil
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Re: [efloraofindia:434197] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Aaratrik ji

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On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 7:47 pm Aaratrik Pal,  wrote:

> No, both represent T. crustacea. I don't remember any photograph of T.
> godefroyi from Southern India.
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:42:41 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote:
>
>> Hi, Aaratrik ji,
>> Can any of the following be *Torenia godefroyi*:
>>
>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
>> 
>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia crustacea?
>> 
>>
>> Or are the fruits still immature to say anything?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:26, J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks a lot, Aratrik ji,
>>> If you see Dinesh ji's plant, the fruiting calyx does not cover the
>>> capsule completely.
>>> So it has to be Lindernia crustacea
>>>  only, as
>>> you confirmed earlier to Dinesh ji.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:24, Aaratrik Pal  wrote:
>>>
 Torenia godefroyi and T. lindernoides are synonymous. This species
 differs from T. crustacea by having prominent ribbed calyx and the calyx is
 enclosing the capsule when mature. T. godefroyi mostly show axillary
 flowers and the flowers are more whitish with tint of magenta. I'm
 attaching a paper related to T. godefroyi. The image in the paper hopefully
 can help.
  Thanks and regards,
 Aaratrik
 On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:36:05 PM UTC+5:30 Tabish wrote:

> *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: Lindernia crustacea) is a species different
> from *Torenia lindernioides*, and has a wider distribution. It is
> found in the Himalayas, East India, and probably also in Western Ghats. 
> The
> key involving these species is listed in Saldanha's paper that I sent.
>Tabish
> ---
> www.flowersofindia.net
> The waterhole of flower lovers
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or 
>> *Torenia
>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
>>  like
>> SK 3258 24 December 2021
>> 
>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
>> 
>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
>> 
>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district
>> (Metro), Assam
>> 
>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
>> 
>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.)
>> F.Muell. : sk03
>> 
>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia
>> crustacea?
>> 
>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
>> 
>> for id. request. BRS 522
>> 
>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
>> 
>> Validation of Lindernia
>> 
>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2
>> 
>>
>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader
>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea
>>  (as we
>> are following now).
>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western
>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea
>>  only.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish  wrote:
>>
>>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia
>>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi*
>>> confied to  Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia
>>> lindernioides *confined to the Western Ghats.
>>>Tabish
>>> ---
>>> 

Re: [efloraofindia:434195] 369 ID wild plant Spermacoce

[Sam Kuzhalanattu]

Thanks a lot dear Jomy ji and Giby ji for the confirmation of my plant as
*Hedyotis** membranacea*, with kind regards, Sam.

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022, 9:37 am Sam Kuzhalanattu, 
wrote:

> Thank you very much dear Garg ji for the great observations and providing
> links.  With kind regards, Sam.
>
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022, 1:09 pm J.M. Garg,  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Giby ji.
>> Pl. see POWO
>>  
>> (specimen
>> 1
>> )
>> & GBIF  (specimen
>> 1
>> 
>>  & 2
>> )
>> and Kerala Plants
>> 
>> Maybe there are some little variations in the species.
>>
>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 22:13, Giby Kuriakose <
>> giby.kuriak...@shcollege.ac.in> wrote:
>>
>>> In Hedyotis membranacea, according to Gamble, the calyx teeths are short
>>> and glabrous (without hairs). Here it is hairy.
>>> To decide between Hedyotis or Lasianthus, we need to see the fruit,
>>> whether it is fleshy or dry.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 9:31 PM Sam Kuzhalanattu <
>>> samkuzhalana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Dear Garg ji,
 Yes, it is very close to *Hedyotis** membranacea*, thank you very much
 for ID my plant.  Kerala plants image is very close, with kind regards, 
 Sam.

 On Mon, 3 Oct 2022, 9:04 pm Saroj Kasaju, 
 wrote:

> I guess that is the closest match Mr. Gargb!
>
> Thank you.
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 9:14 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> I checked many species listed with distribution in Kerala.
>> To me it appears close to specimens of *Hedyotis membranacea *at POWO
>> 
>> (specimen 1
>> )
>> & GBIF  
>> (specimen
>> 1
>> 
>> & 2
>> )
>> and Kerala Plants
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 20:37, Saroj Kasaju 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thank you Santhosh Ji for validating my guess !
>>>
>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 8:24 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks a lot, Santhosh ji

 On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 07:50, Dr E S Santhosh Kumar <
 santhoshkuma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a Hedyotis species for sure. Not Lasianthus.
>
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 15:40 J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
>> I tried to check all listed species of Lasianthus
>>  from Kerala,
>> but could not reach an id.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: J.M. Garg 
>> Date: Wed, 28 Sept 2022 at 19:47
>> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:433225] 369 ID wild plant Spermacoce
>> To: efloraofindia 
>> Cc: Sam Kuzhalanattu 
>>
>>
>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Sam Kuzhalanattu
>> Date: Sun, 25 Sept 2022 at 17:27
>> Subject: [efloraofindia:433225] 369 ID wild plant Spermacoce
>> To: efloraofindia 
>>
>>
>> Please ID wild plant, kind regards, Sam.
>>
>> Location: near Vannappuram, Thodupuzha, Idukki Dist., Kerala
>> PIN:685607
>>
>> Altitude: 1500fsl
>>
>> Flower date: 23SEP2022, 12.05pm
>>
>> Habitat: wild moisture, no sunlight rocky misty hill, wind
>>
>> Plant habit: small shrub, erect branches, hard quadrangular
>> grooved silver stem, cylindrical lite flaked base diameter 20mm, 
>> perennial
>>
>> Height: 04.5 feet
>>
>> Leaves: opposite, elliptic, acute, soft glossy, 

Re: [efloraofindia:434195] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[Dinesh Valke]

Garg ji, when I go through photographs posted in  SK 3258 24 December 2021
 that show calyx,
they do not seem to me as "distinctly winged" or ribbed. They look to me
rather as separated sepals. That is how I perceive.
Regards.
Dinesh



On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:23 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> Hi, Dinesh ji,
> How do you say "All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia
> crustacea do not have distinctly winged calyx" ?
> I feel otherwise that most of the observations at eFI related to Lindernia
> crustacea also have distinctly winged calyx.
> Pl. see one e.g. SK 3258 24 December 2021
> 
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Dinesh Valke  wrote:
>
>> Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and
>> therefore rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist.
>> But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link to
>> this discussion.
>>
>> All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea do
>> not have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as Lindernia
>> crustacea.
>> I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give his
>> views regarding this discussion.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Dinesh
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Dinesh,
>>>I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated from
>>> T. crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the distinctly
>>> winged calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. crustacea
>>> as it shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T.
>>> godefroy, it may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, pics,
>>> herbarium pics of  T. godefroy to compare with.
>>>Tabish
>>> ---
>>> www.flowersofindia.net
>>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides* C.J.Saldanha
 for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri
 , and 2) of Nagla
 forest .
 Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany
 disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham. &
 Schltdl.
 He says:
 "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T. godefroyi*
 have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is also distributed in
 West Bengal."

 Aaratrik Pal  has
 written many articles related to *Torenia* spp.

 Regards.
 Dinesh.


 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke 
 wrote:

> By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr.
> As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can
> see it in my posted plants.
> In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the
> sepals are not completely enclosing the mature capsule.
>
> In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than
> distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*.
> I am not good at this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his
> comments soon and help resolve the ID.
>
> Regards.
> Dinesh
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or 
>> *Torenia
>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
>>  like
>> SK 3258 24 December 2021
>> 
>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
>> 
>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
>> 
>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district
>> (Metro), Assam
>> 
>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
>> 
>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.)
>> F.Muell. : sk03
>> 
>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia
>> crustacea?
>> 
>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
>> 

Re: [efloraofindia:434195] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[Aaratrik Pal]

No, both represent T. crustacea. I don't remember any photograph of T. 
godefroyi from Southern India.

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:42:41 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote:

> Hi, Aaratrik ji,
> Can any of the following be *Torenia godefroyi*: 
>
> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 
>  
> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia crustacea? 
> 
>
> Or are the fruits still immature to say anything? 
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:26, J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot, Aratrik ji,
>> If you see Dinesh ji's plant, the fruiting calyx does not cover the 
>> capsule completely. 
>> So it has to be Lindernia crustacea 
>>  only, as you 
>> confirmed earlier to Dinesh ji.
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:24, Aaratrik Pal  wrote:
>>
>>> Torenia godefroyi and T. lindernoides are synonymous. This species 
>>> differs from T. crustacea by having prominent ribbed calyx and the calyx is 
>>> enclosing the capsule when mature. T. godefroyi mostly show axillary 
>>> flowers and the flowers are more whitish with tint of magenta. I'm 
>>> attaching a paper related to T. godefroyi. The image in the paper hopefully 
>>> can help.
>>>  Thanks and regards,
>>> Aaratrik 
>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:36:05 PM UTC+5:30 Tabish wrote:
>>>
 *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: Lindernia crustacea) is a species different 
 from *Torenia lindernioides*, and has a wider distribution. It is 
 found in the Himalayas, East India, and probably also in Western Ghats. 
 The 
 key involving these species is listed in Saldanha's paper that I sent.
Tabish
 ---
 www.flowersofindia.net
 The waterhole of flower lovers


 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or 
> *Torenia 
> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea 
>  like  
> SK 3258 24 December 2021 
> 
> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1 
> 
> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2 
> 
> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district 
> (Metro), Assam 
> 
> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 
> 
> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) 
> F.Muell. : sk03 
> 
> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia 
> crustacea? 
>  
> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ?? 
>  
> for id. request. BRS 522 
> 
> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl. 
> 
> Validation of Lindernia 
>  
> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2 
> 
>
> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader 
> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea 
>  (as we 
> are following now).
> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western 
> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea 
>  only. 
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish  wrote:
>
>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia 
>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied 
>> to  Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides 
>> *confined 
>> to the Western Ghats.
>>Tabish
>> ---
>> www.flowersofindia.net
>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:

Re: [efloraofindia:434192] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Aaratrik ji,
Can any of the following be *Torenia godefroyi*:
Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29

PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia crustacea?


Or are the fruits still immature to say anything?


On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:26, J.M. Garg  wrote:

> Thanks a lot, Aratrik ji,
> If you see Dinesh ji's plant, the fruiting calyx does not cover the
> capsule completely.
> So it has to be Lindernia crustacea
>  only, as you
> confirmed earlier to Dinesh ji.
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:24, Aaratrik Pal  wrote:
>
>> Torenia godefroyi and T. lindernoides are synonymous. This species
>> differs from T. crustacea by having prominent ribbed calyx and the calyx is
>> enclosing the capsule when mature. T. godefroyi mostly show axillary
>> flowers and the flowers are more whitish with tint of magenta. I'm
>> attaching a paper related to T. godefroyi. The image in the paper hopefully
>> can help.
>>  Thanks and regards,
>> Aaratrik
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:36:05 PM UTC+5:30 Tabish wrote:
>>
>>> *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: Lindernia crustacea) is a species different
>>> from *Torenia lindernioides*, and has a wider distribution. It is found
>>> in the Himalayas, East India, and probably also in Western Ghats. The key
>>> involving these species is listed in Saldanha's paper that I sent.
>>>Tabish
>>> ---
>>> www.flowersofindia.net
>>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>>
 However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
 lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
 What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
  like
 SK 3258 24 December 2021
 
 Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
 
 Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
 
 Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
 Assam
 
 Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
 
 Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.)
 F.Muell. : sk03
 
 PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia
 crustacea?
 
 Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
 
 for id. request. BRS 522
 
 Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
 
 Validation of Lindernia
 
 Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2
 

 In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader
 circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea
  (as we are
 following now).
 In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western
 Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea
  only.


 On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish  wrote:

> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia
> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied
> to  Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides 
> *confined
> to the Western Ghats.
>Tabish
> ---
> www.flowersofindia.net
> The waterhole of flower lovers
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of 
>> 'Re-establishment
>> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on
>> the identity of T. lindernioides
>> 

Re: [efloraofindia:434191] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Aratrik ji,
If you see Dinesh ji's plant, the fruiting calyx does not cover the capsule
completely.
So it has to be Lindernia crustacea
 only, as you
confirmed earlier to Dinesh ji.

On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:24, Aaratrik Pal  wrote:

> Torenia godefroyi and T. lindernoides are synonymous. This species differs
> from T. crustacea by having prominent ribbed calyx and the calyx is
> enclosing the capsule when mature. T. godefroyi mostly show axillary
> flowers and the flowers are more whitish with tint of magenta. I'm
> attaching a paper related to T. godefroyi. The image in the paper hopefully
> can help.
>  Thanks and regards,
> Aaratrik
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:36:05 PM UTC+5:30 Tabish wrote:
>
>> *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: Lindernia crustacea) is a species different
>> from *Torenia lindernioides*, and has a wider distribution. It is found
>> in the Himalayas, East India, and probably also in Western Ghats. The key
>> involving these species is listed in Saldanha's paper that I sent.
>>Tabish
>> ---
>> www.flowersofindia.net
>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>
>>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
>>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
>>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
>>>  like
>>> SK 3258 24 December 2021
>>> 
>>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
>>> 
>>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
>>> 
>>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
>>> Assam
>>> 
>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
>>> 
>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muell.
>>> : sk03
>>> 
>>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia
>>> crustacea?
>>> 
>>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
>>> 
>>> for id. request. BRS 522
>>> 
>>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
>>> 
>>> Validation of Lindernia
>>> 
>>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2
>>> 
>>>
>>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader
>>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea
>>>  (as we are
>>> following now).
>>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western
>>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea
>>>  only.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish  wrote:
>>>
 Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia
 lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied
 to  Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides *confined
 to the Western Ghats.
Tabish
 ---
 www.flowersofindia.net
 The waterhole of flower lovers


 On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of 
> 'Re-establishment
> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on
> the identity of T. lindernioides
> '
> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net)
> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Tabish 
> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29
> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight ::
> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06
> To: eFloraofIndia 
>
>
> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia
> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. 

Re: [efloraofindia:434189] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Dinesh ji,
How do you say "All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia
crustacea do not have distinctly winged calyx" ?
I feel otherwise that most of the observations at eFI related to Lindernia
crustacea also have distinctly winged calyx.
Pl. see one e.g. SK 3258 24 December 2021


On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Dinesh Valke  wrote:

> Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and
> therefore rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist.
> But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link to
> this discussion.
>
> All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea do not
> have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as Lindernia
> crustacea.
> I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give his
> views regarding this discussion.
>
> Regards.
> Dinesh
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish  wrote:
>
>> Dear Dinesh,
>>I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated from
>> T. crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the distinctly
>> winged calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. crustacea
>> as it shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T.
>> godefroy, it may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, pics,
>> herbarium pics of  T. godefroy to compare with.
>>Tabish
>> ---
>> www.flowersofindia.net
>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides* C.J.Saldanha
>>> for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri
>>> , and 2) of Nagla
>>> forest .
>>> Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany
>>> disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham. &
>>> Schltdl.
>>> He says:
>>> "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T. godefroyi*
>>> have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is also distributed in
>>> West Bengal."
>>>
>>> Aaratrik Pal  has
>>> written many articles related to *Torenia* spp.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Dinesh.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr.
 As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can
 see it in my posted plants.
 In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the
 sepals are not completely enclosing the mature capsule.

 In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than
 distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*.
 I am not good at this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his
 comments soon and help resolve the ID.

 Regards.
 Dinesh

 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
>  like
> SK 3258 24 December 2021
> 
> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
> 
> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
> 
> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district
> (Metro), Assam
> 
> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
> 
> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.)
> F.Muell. : sk03
> 
> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia
> crustacea?
> 
> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
> 
> for id. request. BRS 522
> 
> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
> 
> Validation of Lindernia
> 
> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2
> 

Re: [efloraofindia:434186] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[Dinesh Valke]

Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and therefore
rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist.
But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link to
this discussion.

All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea do not
have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as Lindernia
crustacea.
I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give his
views regarding this discussion.

Regards.
Dinesh


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish  wrote:

> Dear Dinesh,
>I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated from T.
> crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the distinctly winged
> calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. crustacea as it
> shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T. godefroy, it
> may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, pics, herbarium
> pics of  T. godefroy to compare with.
>Tabish
> ---
> www.flowersofindia.net
> The waterhole of flower lovers
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke 
> wrote:
>
>> At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides* C.J.Saldanha
>> for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri
>> , and 2) of Nagla
>> forest .
>> Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany
>> disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham. &
>> Schltdl.
>> He says:
>> "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T. godefroyi*
>> have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is also distributed in
>> West Bengal."
>>
>> Aaratrik Pal  has
>> written many articles related to *Torenia* spp.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Dinesh.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr.
>>> As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can
>>> see it in my posted plants.
>>> In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the
>>> sepals are not completely enclosing the mature capsule.
>>>
>>> In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than
>>> distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*. I
>>> am not good at this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his
>>> comments soon and help resolve the ID.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Dinesh
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>>
 However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
 lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
 What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
  like
 SK 3258 24 December 2021
 
 Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
 
 Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
 
 Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
 Assam
 
 Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
 
 Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.)
 F.Muell. : sk03
 
 PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia
 crustacea?
 
 Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
 
 for id. request. BRS 522
 
 Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
 
 Validation of Lindernia
 
 Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2
 

 In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader
 circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea
  (as we are
 following now).
 In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western
 Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea
  only.


 On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 

Re: [efloraofindia:434186] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[Tabish]

Dear Dinesh,
   It is true that Saldanha's article clearly says Torenia lindernioides is
distributed in Western Ghats. But what M. G. Prasad, R. K. Roy and P.
Sunojkumar­ (Nordic Journal of Botany 35: 45–47, 2017) published says that
Torenia lindernioides is the same as Torenia godefroyi. So, now Torenia
godefroyi (according to these authors) is distributed in Cambodia and
Western Ghats. So, the Indian distribution of this plant is still
restricted to Western Ghats. Whether you call it Torenia lindernioides or
Torenia godefroyi is a different matter.
   Tabish
---
www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:11 PM Dinesh Valke  wrote:

> But Saldanha's article clearly says Torenia lindernioides is distributed
> in Western Ghats, and is often confused with the wider distributed
> Lindernia crustacea.
> As such Torenia lindernioides is not distributed in Nepal.
>
> Regards.
> Dinesh
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:06 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> My personal feeling after going through all the observations in our site
>> is that keys given in both publications are very sketchy (publications only
>> based on specimens from Western Ghats) and if wider studies are conducted
>> based on all India specimens and those from SE Asia, it may come out to be
>> one species only (may be with a few varieties as it was widely accepted
>> earlier).
>> Just to give an example, pl. see the post from Saroj ji from Nepal: SK
>> 3258 24 December 2021
>>  (Nepal does
>> not show any distribution of *Torenia lindernioides*).
>> In view of the above, I feel we follow the broader look with all these
>> observations as Lindernia crustacea
>>  (as we are
>> following now).
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 18:36, Tabish  wrote:
>>
>>> *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: Lindernia crustacea) is a species different
>>> from *Torenia lindernioides*, and has a wider distribution. It is found
>>> in the Himalayas, East India, and probably also in Western Ghats. The key
>>> involving these species is listed in Saldanha's paper that I sent.
>>>Tabish
>>> ---
>>> www.flowersofindia.net
>>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>>
 However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
 lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
 What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
  like
 SK 3258 24 December 2021
 
 Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
 
 Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
 
 Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
 Assam
 
 Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
 
 Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.)
 F.Muell. : sk03
 
 PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia
 crustacea?
 
 Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
 
 for id. request. BRS 522
 
 Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
 
 Validation of Lindernia
 
 Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2
 

 In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader
 circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea
  (as we are
 following now).
 In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western
 Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea
  only.


 On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish  wrote:

> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia
> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied
> to  

Re: [efloraofindia:434186] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[J.M. Garg]

I am saying this as I am unable to distinguish Dinesh ji's plant from
western ghats from those from East India, Himalayas and North India. All of
these have winged calyxes like that of Dinesh ji's plant.
Pl. see
SK 3258 24 December 2021

Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1

Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2

Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
Assam 
Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29

Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muell. :
sk03 
PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia crustacea?

Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??

for id. request. BRS 522

Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.

Validation of Lindernia

Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2


So it has to be Lindernia crustacea
 only.

On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:11, Dinesh Valke  wrote:

> But Saldanha's article clearly says Torenia lindernioides is distributed
> in Western Ghats, and is often confused with the wider distributed
> Lindernia crustacea.
> As such Torenia lindernioides is not distributed in Nepal.
>
> Regards.
> Dinesh
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:06 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> My personal feeling after going through all the observations in our site
>> is that keys given in both publications are very sketchy (publications only
>> based on specimens from Western Ghats) and if wider studies are conducted
>> based on all India specimens and those from SE Asia, it may come out to be
>> one species only (may be with a few varieties as it was widely accepted
>> earlier).
>> Just to give an example, pl. see the post from Saroj ji from Nepal: SK
>> 3258 24 December 2021
>>  (Nepal does
>> not show any distribution of *Torenia lindernioides*).
>> In view of the above, I feel we follow the broader look with all these
>> observations as Lindernia crustacea
>>  (as we are
>> following now).
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 18:36, Tabish  wrote:
>>
>>> *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: Lindernia crustacea) is a species different
>>> from *Torenia lindernioides*, and has a wider distribution. It is found
>>> in the Himalayas, East India, and probably also in Western Ghats. The key
>>> involving these species is listed in Saldanha's paper that I sent.
>>>Tabish
>>> ---
>>> www.flowersofindia.net
>>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>>
 However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
 lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
 What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
  like
 SK 3258 24 December 2021
 
 Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
 
 Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
 
 Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
 Assam
 
 Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
 
 Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.)
 F.Muell. : sk03
 
 PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia
 crustacea?
 
 Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
 
 for id. request. BRS 522
 

Re: [efloraofindia:434184] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[Dinesh Valke]

But Saldanha's article clearly says Torenia lindernioides is distributed in
Western Ghats, and is often confused with the wider distributed Lindernia
crustacea.
As such Torenia lindernioides is not distributed in Nepal.

Regards.
Dinesh

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:06 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> My personal feeling after going through all the observations in our site
> is that keys given in both publications are very sketchy (publications only
> based on specimens from Western Ghats) and if wider studies are conducted
> based on all India specimens and those from SE Asia, it may come out to be
> one species only (may be with a few varieties as it was widely accepted
> earlier).
> Just to give an example, pl. see the post from Saroj ji from Nepal: SK
> 3258 24 December 2021
>  (Nepal does not
> show any distribution of *Torenia lindernioides*).
> In view of the above, I feel we follow the broader look with all these
> observations as Lindernia crustacea
>  (as we are
> following now).
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 18:36, Tabish  wrote:
>
>> *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: Lindernia crustacea) is a species different
>> from *Torenia lindernioides*, and has a wider distribution. It is found
>> in the Himalayas, East India, and probably also in Western Ghats. The key
>> involving these species is listed in Saldanha's paper that I sent.
>>Tabish
>> ---
>> www.flowersofindia.net
>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>
>>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
>>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
>>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
>>>  like
>>> SK 3258 24 December 2021
>>> 
>>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
>>> 
>>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
>>> 
>>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
>>> Assam
>>> 
>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
>>> 
>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muell.
>>> : sk03
>>> 
>>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia
>>> crustacea?
>>> 
>>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
>>> 
>>> for id. request. BRS 522
>>> 
>>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
>>> 
>>> Validation of Lindernia
>>> 
>>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2
>>> 
>>>
>>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader
>>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea
>>>  (as we are
>>> following now).
>>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western
>>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea
>>>  only.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish  wrote:
>>>
 Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia
 lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied
 to  Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides *confined
 to the Western Ghats.
Tabish
 ---
 www.flowersofindia.net
 The waterhole of flower lovers


 On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of 
> 'Re-establishment
> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on
> the identity of T. lindernioides
> '
> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net)
> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs.
>
> 

Re: [efloraofindia:434184] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[Tabish]

Dear Dinesh,
   I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated from T.
crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the distinctly winged
calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. crustacea as it
shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T. godefroy, it
may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, pics, herbarium
pics of  T. godefroy to compare with.
   Tabish
---
www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke  wrote:

> At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides* C.J.Saldanha
> for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri
> , and 2) of Nagla
> forest .
> Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany
> disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham. &
> Schltdl.
> He says:
> "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T. godefroyi*
> have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is also distributed in
> West Bengal."
>
> Aaratrik Pal  has
> written many articles related to *Torenia* spp.
>
> Regards.
> Dinesh.
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke 
> wrote:
>
>> By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr.
>> As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can see
>> it in my posted plants.
>> In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the sepals
>> are not completely enclosing the mature capsule.
>>
>> In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than
>> distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*. I
>> am not good at this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his
>> comments soon and help resolve the ID.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Dinesh
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>
>>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
>>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
>>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
>>>  like
>>> SK 3258 24 December 2021
>>> 
>>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
>>> 
>>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
>>> 
>>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
>>> Assam
>>> 
>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
>>> 
>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muell.
>>> : sk03
>>> 
>>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia
>>> crustacea?
>>> 
>>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
>>> 
>>> for id. request. BRS 522
>>> 
>>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
>>> 
>>> Validation of Lindernia
>>> 
>>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2
>>> 
>>>
>>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader
>>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea
>>>  (as we are
>>> following now).
>>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western
>>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea
>>>  only.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish  wrote:
>>>
 Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia
 lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied
 to  Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides *confined
 to the Western Ghats.
Tabish
 ---
 www.flowersofindia.net
 The waterhole of flower lovers


 On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of 
> 'Re-establishment
> of the overlooked species 

Re: [efloraofindia:434182] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[J.M. Garg]

My personal feeling after going through all the observations in our site is
that keys given in both publications are very sketchy (publications only
based on specimens from Western Ghats) and if wider studies are conducted
based on all India specimens and those from SE Asia, it may come out to be
one species only (may be with a few varieties as it was widely accepted
earlier).
Just to give an example, pl. see the post from Saroj ji from Nepal: SK 3258
24 December 2021
 (Nepal
does not show any distribution of *Torenia lindernioides*).
In view of the above, I feel we follow the broader look with all these
observations as Lindernia crustacea
 (as we are
following now).

On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 18:36, Tabish  wrote:

> *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: Lindernia crustacea) is a species different
> from *Torenia lindernioides*, and has a wider distribution. It is found
> in the Himalayas, East India, and probably also in Western Ghats. The key
> involving these species is listed in Saldanha's paper that I sent.
>Tabish
> ---
> www.flowersofindia.net
> The waterhole of flower lovers
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
>>  like
>> SK 3258 24 December 2021
>> 
>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
>> 
>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
>> 
>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
>> Assam 
>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
>> 
>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muell.
>> : sk03
>> 
>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia crustacea?
>> 
>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
>> 
>> for id. request. BRS 522
>> 
>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
>> 
>> Validation of Lindernia
>> 
>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2
>> 
>>
>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader
>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea
>>  (as we are
>> following now).
>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western
>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea
>>  only.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish  wrote:
>>
>>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia
>>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied
>>> to  Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides *confined
>>> to the Western Ghats.
>>>Tabish
>>> ---
>>> www.flowersofindia.net
>>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>>
 I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of 
 'Re-establishment
 of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on
 the identity of T. lindernioides
 '
 (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net)
 Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs.

 -- Forwarded message -
 From: Tabish 
 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29
 Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight ::
 Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06
 To: eFloraofIndia 


 This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia
 lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a look
 at the attached 

Re: [efloraofindia:434177] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[Tabish]

*Torenia crustacea* (Syn: Lindernia crustacea) is a species different
from *Torenia
lindernioides*, and has a wider distribution. It is found in the Himalayas,
East India, and probably also in Western Ghats. The key involving these
species is listed in Saldanha's paper that I sent.
   Tabish
---
www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
>  like
> SK 3258 24 December 2021
> 
> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
> 
> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
> 
> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
> Assam 
> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
> 
> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muell. :
> sk03 
> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia crustacea?
> 
> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
> 
> for id. request. BRS 522
> 
> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
> 
> Validation of Lindernia
> 
> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2
> 
>
> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader
> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea
>  (as we are
> following now).
> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western
> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea
>  only.
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish  wrote:
>
>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia
>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied to
>> Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides *confined
>> to the Western Ghats.
>>Tabish
>> ---
>> www.flowersofindia.net
>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>
>>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of 
>>> 'Re-establishment
>>> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on
>>> the identity of T. lindernioides
>>> '
>>> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net)
>>> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs.
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Tabish 
>>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29
>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight ::
>>> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06
>>> To: eFloraofIndia 
>>>
>>>
>>> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia
>>> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a look at
>>> the attached paper. It is closely similar to *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: 
>>> *Lindernia
>>> crustacea*) which has unwinged calyx.
>>>  According to the paper:
>>> "Torenia lindernioides has a distinctly winged calyx which completely
>>> encloses the mature capsule. The capsule is elongated, lelliptic in outline
>>> and narrowed at the top. Lindernia crustacea, however, has sepals that are,
>>> at most, slightly thickened in the middle and never invest the capsule
>>> completely."
>>>Tabish
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 16, 2013 at 5:12:18 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote:
>>>
 Scrophulariaceae fortnight
 dog flower family
 *Lindernia crustacea* (L.) F. Muell. ... also placed in: Linderniaceae
 Plantaginaceae Veronicaceae
 at MIDC Andheri on 24 AUG 07

 [image: Urikusa (in Japanese)]
 

Re: [efloraofindia:434177] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[Dinesh Valke]

At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides* C.J.Saldanha for
two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri
, and 2) of Nagla forest
.
Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany
disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham. &
Schltdl.
He says:
"POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T. godefroyi*
have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is also distributed in
West Bengal."

Aaratrik Pal  has
written many articles related to *Torenia* spp.

Regards.
Dinesh.


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke  wrote:

> By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr.
> As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can see
> it in my posted plants.
> In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the sepals
> are not completely enclosing the mature capsule.
>
> In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than
> distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*. I
> am not good at this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his
> comments soon and help resolve the ID.
>
> Regards.
> Dinesh
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
>>  like
>> SK 3258 24 December 2021
>> 
>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
>> 
>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
>> 
>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
>> Assam 
>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
>> 
>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muell.
>> : sk03
>> 
>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia crustacea?
>> 
>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
>> 
>> for id. request. BRS 522
>> 
>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
>> 
>> Validation of Lindernia
>> 
>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2
>> 
>>
>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader
>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea
>>  (as we are
>> following now).
>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western
>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea
>>  only.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish  wrote:
>>
>>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia
>>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied
>>> to  Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides *confined
>>> to the Western Ghats.
>>>Tabish
>>> ---
>>> www.flowersofindia.net
>>> The waterhole of flower lovers
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>>
 I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of 
 'Re-establishment
 of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on
 the identity of T. lindernioides
 '
 (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net)
 Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs.

 -- Forwarded message -
 From: Tabish 
 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29
 Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight ::
 Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06
 To: eFloraofIndia 


 This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia
 lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. 

Re: [efloraofindia:434177] Bignoniaceae Week :: Flower for ID-090113

[Mahadeswara]

T*abebuia heterophylla .*

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:46:47 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote:

> -- Forwarded message -
> From: komal bhise 
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 12:45
> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:434156] Bignoniaceae Week :: Flower for 
> ID-090113
> To: eFloraofIndia 
>
>
>
> Hello Mani Nair sir.. can you pls tell me the location of this tabebuia 
> heterophylla tree. where in kalyan any landmark? I am looking for this tree 
> for my research purpose.  
> Thank you
> On Wednesday, 11 December 2019 at 01:18:00 UTC-5 JM Garg wrote:
>
>> It should be *Tabebuia* *heterophylla* (DC.) Britton 
>> 
>>  as 
>> per EDIS   Flowers of India 
>> 
>>   
>> CABI   Useful tropical Plants 
>>   Hawaii 
>> Botany 
>> *Flower color: *pink, white/cream/gray as per EDIS 
>> 
>> Tabebuia berteroi 
>> 
>>  is 
>> different as per University of Florida 
>> 
>>   
>> Hawaii botany   
>> marinelifephotography 
>> 
>>   
>> Flickr  
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Mani Nair 
>> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 at 11:21
>> Subject: [efloraofindia:143162] Bignoniaceae Week :: Flower for ID-090113
>> To: 
>>
>>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> Sending a photo of the flower.  Kindly identify.
>>
>> Place : Kalyan
>> Date  :  December 2012
>> Habitat : Cultivated tree on roadside
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mani
>>
>> -- 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> With regards,
>> J.M.Garg
>>
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>> 
>>
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[efloraofindia:434176] Re: TABEBUIA PALLIDA

[Mahadeswara]

*Tabebuia heterophylla .*

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:46:10 PM UTC+5:30 bhise@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hello Garg ji.. Can you pls help me to find the location of this tree. 
> where this tree is planted by forest department?
> Thank you.
>
> On Friday, 13 December 2019 at 22:34:59 UTC-5 JM Garg wrote:
>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Bimal Sar kar 
>> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 18:36
>> Subject: Re: TABEBUIA PALLIDA
>> To: J.M. Garg 
>>
>>
>> Thank you Garg ji.
>> With regards,
>> Bimal
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 15:05, J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>
>>> I think it should be *Tabebuia* *heterophylla* (DC.) Britton 
>>> 
>>>  as 
>>> per EDIS   Flowers of India 
>>> 
>>>   
>>> CABI   Useful tropical Plants 
>>>   Hawaii 
>>> Botany 
>>> *Tabebuia pallida* is different as per JCU 
>>> 
>>>   
>>> Biodiversity of Singapore 
>>>   
>>> stuartxchange   
>>> monaconatureencyclopedia 
>>>   
>>> eppo  (Typical specimens have 
>>> only a single leaflet but some have three leaflets) 
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Bimal Sar kar 
>>> Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 at 06:49
>>> Subject: TABEBUIA PALLIDA
>>> To: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Attaching a collage of Tabebuia palliada. This is an introduced species 
>>> planted on the road side by forest department.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434174] Mentha pulegium L. From Ganderbal kashmir

[Shakir Ahmad]

Yes much resembles with M.arvensis

On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 2:29 pm J.M. Garg,  wrote:

> This is *Mentha arvensis* L.
> ,
> as per images and details herein.
> This looks different from images at *Mentha pulegium* L.
> 
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Re: [efloraofindia:434173] Cirsium falconeri from Ganderbal kashmir

[Shakir Ahmad]

Thank youMatched.

On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 2:12 pm J.M. Garg,  wrote:

> I also agree as per images at *Carthamus lanatus* L.
> 
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 12:40, Saroj Kasaju  wrote:
>
>> I guess you are right gurucharan Sir !
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Saroj Kasaju
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:47 PM Gurcharan Singh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Carthamus lanatus, heads are yellow but tend to fade with aged
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:37:54 AM UTC+5:30
>>> saadiks...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 What could be the possible I'd?

 On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 11:22 am Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:

> Carduus ??
> Thank you.
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:55 AM Gurcharan Singh 
> wrote:
>
>> Cirsium falconeri is found in Alpine regions
>> Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium falconeri from
>> Kashmir-GS30 (google.com)
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>> Retired  Associate Professor
>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:35 AM Gurcharan Singh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is Carthamus lanata
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>>> Retired  Associate Professor
>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:30 AM Gurcharan Singh 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Heads are too small for C. falconeri




 Dr. Gurcharan Singh
 Retired  Associate Professor
 SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
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Re: [efloraofindia:434172] id confirmation

[Sunit Singh]

Dear sir, I was on a field trip, sorry for the late reply, I will check it.

*Thanks & Regards*
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On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 8:09 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> What do you say, Sunit ji?
>
> On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 15:37, J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> Hi, Sunit ji,
>> Any keys?
>> Flora of Pakistan
>> 
>> gives the following keys:
>> 17 (16)
>>  
>> Berries
>> connate, bracteoles minute or absent   (18)
>> 
>> + Berries free, bracteoles small, glandular hairy   (19)
>> 
>>
>> 18 (17)
>>  
>> Calyx
>> lobes obsolete, margin undulate. Berries red   15 Lonicera microphylla
>> 
>> + Calyx teeth linear-lanceolate. Berries black   13 Lonicera caucasica
>> subsp. govaniana
>> 
>>
>> 19 (17)
>>  
>> Leaves
>> more than 8 cm long. Corolla ± 12 mm long, densely hairy   14 Lonicera
>> webbiana
>> 
>> + Leaves less than 4 cm long. Corolla ± 7 mm long, sparsely pubescent
>> 16 Lonicera heterophylla
>> 
>> As per POWO
>> ,
>> only *Lonicera caucasica* subsp. govaniana (Wall. ex DC.) H.Hara is
>> reported in our area.
>> But the Flora of Pakistan above says the berries black.
>>
>> On Mon, 26 Sept 2022 at 14:31, Sunit Singh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear sir, just checked  Naithani, H. B. (2019). Floral wealth of Valley
>>> of Flowers National Park–A world heritage site–With special reference to
>>> Bhundyar valley, according to that this species is L. Caucasia as per
>>> images and description.
>>>
>>> *Thanks & Regards*
>>> Sunit Singh
>>> Alpine Research Scholar
>>>
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>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 2:53 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>>
 Hi, Sunit ji,
 Where is the doubt ? In fruit shape?
 Flora of Pakistan
  says " Berries
 c. 7 mm long, ovoid, red, free"
 India Biodiversity Portal
  says "Fruit berry
 bright red, purplish black when ripe, free, about 1 cm in diameter,
 globose, seeds ellipsoid"


 On Sun, 11 Sept 2022 at 00:21, Sunit Singh 
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> no sir, not *L. webbiana*, please have a look at  FOI
> 
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>> I think it may be *Lonicera webbiana* Wall. ex DC.
>> ,
>> as per images and details herein and as per keys in Flora of Pakistan
>> .
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>> Date: Tue, 6 Sept 2022 at 06:49
>> Subject: [efloraofindia:432112] id confirmation
>> To: efloraofindia 
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>> Dear mentors, please look at the attached images of Lonicera, it seems*
>> L. **caucasica *for me, new to* eFI.*
>> Leaves opposite; petiolate.
>> Lamina elliptic, margins entire, apex acute.
>> fruits - Berries 2 in number, red.
>>
>> Captured- VOF(UK)
>> Alt. 3400m asl.
>>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434170] Mentha pulegium L. From Ganderbal kashmir q

[J.M. Garg]

This is *Mentha arvensis* L.
,
as per images and details herein.
This looks different from images at *Mentha pulegium* L.



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Re: [efloraofindia:434170] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[Dinesh Valke]

By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr.
As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can see
it in my posted plants.
In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the sepals
are not completely enclosing the mature capsule.

In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than distinctly
winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*. I am not good at
this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his comments soon and
help resolve the ID.

Regards.
Dinesh

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
>  like
> SK 3258 24 December 2021
> 
> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1
> 
> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2
> 
> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
> Assam 
> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29
> 
> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muell. :
> sk03 
> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia crustacea?
> 
> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??
> 
> for id. request. BRS 522
> 
> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.
> 
> Validation of Lindernia
> 
> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2
> 
>
> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader
> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea
>  (as we are
> following now).
> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western
> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea
>  only.
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish  wrote:
>
>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia
>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied to
>> Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides *confined
>> to the Western Ghats.
>>Tabish
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>>
>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>>
>>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of 
>>> 'Re-establishment
>>> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on
>>> the identity of T. lindernioides
>>> '
>>> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net)
>>> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs.
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Tabish 
>>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29
>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight ::
>>> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06
>>> To: eFloraofIndia 
>>>
>>>
>>> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia
>>> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a look at
>>> the attached paper. It is closely similar to *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: 
>>> *Lindernia
>>> crustacea*) which has unwinged calyx.
>>>  According to the paper:
>>> "Torenia lindernioides has a distinctly winged calyx which completely
>>> encloses the mature capsule. The capsule is elongated, lelliptic in outline
>>> and narrowed at the top. Lindernia crustacea, however, has sepals that are,
>>> at most, slightly thickened in the middle and never invest the capsule
>>> completely."
>>>Tabish
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 16, 2013 at 5:12:18 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote:
>>>
 Scrophulariaceae fortnight
 dog flower family
 *Lindernia crustacea* (L.) F. Muell. ... also placed in: Linderniaceae
 Plantaginaceae Veronicaceae
 at MIDC Andheri on 24 AUG 07

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Re: [efloraofindia:434169] Cirsium falconeri from Ganderbal kashmir

[J.M. Garg]

I also agree as per images at *Carthamus lanatus* L.


On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 12:40, Saroj Kasaju  wrote:

> I guess you are right gurucharan Sir !
> Thank you.
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:47 PM Gurcharan Singh 
> wrote:
>
>> Carthamus lanatus, heads are yellow but tend to fade with aged
>>
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:37:54 AM UTC+5:30 saadiks...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What could be the possible I'd?
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 11:22 am Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:
>>>
 Carduus ??
 Thank you.

 Saroj Kasaju


 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:55 AM Gurcharan Singh 
 wrote:

> Cirsium falconeri is found in Alpine regions
> Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium falconeri from
> Kashmir-GS30 (google.com)
> 
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired  Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:35 AM Gurcharan Singh 
> wrote:
>
>> It is Carthamus lanata
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>> Retired  Associate Professor
>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:30 AM Gurcharan Singh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heads are too small for C. falconeri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>>> Retired  Associate Professor
>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:14 AM Shakir Ahmad 
>>> wrote:
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Re: [efloraofindia:434168] Fwd: Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight :: Alysicarpus?? ::Gori Valley :: NS OCT 05/05

[J.M. Garg]

Great id suggestion, Saroj ji.
However, in Nepal
 and
in this part of India, only Eriosema himalaicum
 is reported as
per BSI flora of India

.
So I take it as  Eriosema himalaicum
, as per images
and details herein.


On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 12:35, Saroj Kumar Kasaju 
wrote:

> *Eriosema chinense *Vogel
> Thank you
> Saroj Kasaju
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> From: JM Garg 
> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:56:00 PM UTC+5:45
> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:398823] Fwd: Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight ::
> Alysicarpus?? ::Gori Valley :: NS OCT 05/05
> To: efloraofindia 
> Cc: Nidhan Singh 
>
>
> Maybe Polygala  species.
> However, I could not find a match as per comparative images herein.
> Somewhat close to *Polygala glomerata* Lour.
> ,
> but different.
>
>
> On Sat, 18 Sept 2021 at 21:23, Gurcharan Singh  wrote:
>
>> Forwarding for ID
>> Distributed as  Fabaceae member- Gori Valley
>> 
>> Group discussion at
>> Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight :: Alysicarpus?? ::Gori Valley :: NS OCT
>> 05/05 (google.com)
>> 
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Nidhan Singh 
>> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 8:02:56 PM UTC+5:30
>> Subject: Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight :: Alysicarpus?? ::Gori Valley ::
>> NS OCT 05/05
>> To: indiantreepix 
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Please suggest id for this herb, though I do not have habit or seed pod
>> pics..recorded from Gori valley area..!!
>> Is this *Alysicarpus* sp. ?
>>
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[efloraofindia:434165] Re: 12 Identify weed plant

[J.M. Garg]

  I do not think so.

On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 12:23, Saroj Kumar Kasaju 
wrote:

> *Polygala sibirica *L. ??
>
> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fkeralaplants.in%2Fimages%2FPolygala_sibirica.jpg=http%3A%2F%2Fkeralaplants.in%2Fkeralaplantsdetails.aspx%3Fid%3DPolygala_sibirica=YPtJfbWbKaG0vM=12ahUKEwjLwMqHhND6AhWFNLcAHWNICXoQMyglegUIARD6AQ..i=bJaEup_LJBRS8M=357=500=Polygala%20sibirica=en=safari=2ahUKEwjLwMqHhND6AhWFNLcAHWNICXoQMyglegUIARD6AQ
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> Thank you
> Saroj Kasaju
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> From: Gurcharan Singh 
> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 5:39:10 PM UTC+5:45
> Subject: Fwd: 12 Identify weed plant
> To: indiantreepix , samkuzh...@gmail.com <
> samkuzhalana...@gmail.com>
>
>
> Forwarding for ID
> Distributed as  Polygala species- Chathamattom, Ernakulam, Kerala
> 
>
> Group discussion at
> 12 Identify weed plant (google.com)
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> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 10:32:05 PM UTC+5:30
> Subject: 12 Identify weed plant
> To: efloraofindia 
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> Dear Members,
> Please identify the weed plant.  With regards,
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Re: [efloraofindia:434165] Requesting a herb id_1_081022

[J.M. Garg]

I do not think so.

On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 12:20, Saroj Kasaju  wrote:

> *Polygala sibirica *L. ??
>
> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fkeralaplants.in%2Fimages%2FPolygala_sibirica.jpg=http%3A%2F%2Fkeralaplants.in%2Fkeralaplantsdetails.aspx%3Fid%3DPolygala_sibirica=YPtJfbWbKaG0vM=12ahUKEwjLwMqHhND6AhWFNLcAHWNICXoQMyglegUIARD6AQ..i=bJaEup_LJBRS8M=357=500=Polygala%20sibirica=en=safari=2ahUKEwjLwMqHhND6AhWFNLcAHWNICXoQMyglegUIARD6AQ
> Thank you.
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:31 PM Sachin Bhaskar 
> wrote:
>
>> It isn't cultivated. It was found in the forests.
>>
>> Sachin Bhaskar
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 12:12 Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:
>>
>>> Please copy to efi also while replying.
>>>
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/polygalaceae/polygala/polygala-species/chathamattom
>>> ??
>>> ID still pending !
>>> Is it cultivated ??
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:56 AM Sachin Bhaskar <
>>> sachinbhaskar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 It was 400 mts above sea level. It was photographed today(081022).

 Thanks!

 Sachin Bhaskar


 On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 11:24 Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:

> Polygala. From where? When photographed? Elevation? habitat image ?
> Thank you.
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:36 AM Sachin Bhaskar <
> sachinbhaskar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Respected community,
>>
>> Herb with a weak stem, leaves are simple, alternate with acuminate
>> apex. The flowers are axillary in raceme. Corolla is polypetalous and
>> papilionaceous, keel petals largest(2), wing petals (2) with reproductive
>> organs inside this forming a purse. The head Petal is singular with 
>> forked
>> branchings.
>>
>> Agasthymalai Biosphere environs.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sachin Bhaskar
>>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434164] Euphorbia heloscopia from Ganderbal kashmir

[Shakir Ahmad]

Thank you Gurcharan sir...i will check it

On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 12:55 pm J.M. Garg,  wrote:

> I also agree as per images at Euphorbia peplus
> 
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 08:26, Gurcharan Singh  wrote:
>
>> Not E. helioscopia, it is E. peplus, see semilunar glands with two
>> slender horns
>>
>>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434163] Ladakh, August 2022 :: Astragalus munroi for validation :: ARK2022-134

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Alka ji, for the wonderful images from Ladakh.
Thanks, Singh ji, for all the ids and specimens.
I also agree as per images at Astragalus munroi


On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 11:26, Gurcharan Singh  wrote:

> I think yes, it has very distinctive pods
> Mine from Mathoo, 1971
>
>
>
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> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:10 AM Saroj Kasaju 
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>> Yes, for me.
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Saroj Kasaju
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 9:19 AM Alka Khare  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello friends
>>>
>>> This was at Namika la (a pass on the Srinagar Kargil route) at 3700 mt.
>>> ASL in August 2022.
>>>
>>> Astragalus munroi.
>>> Requested to please validate
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards
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Re: [efloraofindia:434162] Re: Ladakh, August 2022 :: Acantholimon (?) for ID :: ARK2022-133

[J.M. Garg]

I also agree as per images at *Acantholimon lycopodioides* (Girard) Boiss.


On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 10:52, Alka Khare  wrote:

> Thank you Sir ji so much for validating.
> Your first pic so matches mine. Even mine was from Namika la.
>
> Regards
> Alka Khare
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:29:57 AM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote:
>
>> Herbarium Sheet of above closeup
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>> Retired  Associate Professor
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>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
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>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 10:26 AM Gurcharan Singh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In 1971
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>>> Retired  Associate Professor
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>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 10:26 AM Gurcharan Singh 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes Alka ji, Acantholimon lycopodioides
 I had collected from Namikala and Drass




 Dr. Gurcharan Singh
 Retired  Associate Professor
 SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
 https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/


 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 9:02 AM Alka Khare  wrote:

> I found this again at Fotu la, Ladakh (4108 mt. ASL), an hour later
> Attaching pics from Fotu la.
>
> There seems to be a very slight tint of pink in one of the pics.
>
> Regards
> Alka Khare
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 8:59:41 AM UTC+5:30 Alka Khare wrote:
>
>> Hello friends
>>
>> This was at Namika la (a pass on the Srinagar Kargil route) at 3700
>> mt. ASL in August 2022.
>>
>> I so liked these delicate flowers and wanted to zero in on the ID.
>> This for me was one of the highlights of the Ladakh tour.
>>
>> I went through FoI and eFI multiple times but could not find a match.
>> Then all of a sudden on one of the international FB groups, someone 
>> posted
>> something similar from Turkey - Acantholimon armomum.
>>
>> I was so excited to finally found a clue. However, Acantholimon on
>> eFI and FoI looked so different, I am not sure.
>> Is this Acantholimon lycopodioides? Or something completely different?
>> Are these bracts?
>>
>> Requested to please ID.
>>
>> Thanks and regards
>> Alka Khare
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Re: [efloraofindia:434161] Ladakh, August 2022 :: Prostrate plant for ID :: ARK2022-132

[J.M. Garg]

I also agree as per images at *Polygonum paronychioides* C.A. Mey.


On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 10:15, Alka Khare  wrote:

> Ohh, thank you Sir ji.
>
> This looks like *Polygonum paronychioides.*
>
> Regards
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> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:08:20 AM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote:
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>> Polygonum sp
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:45 AM Alka Khare  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello friends
>>>
>>> This was at Namika la (a pass on the Srinagar Kargil route) at 3700 mt.
>>> ASL in August 2022.
>>>
>>> Requested to please ID
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards
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Re: [efloraofindia:434160] Euphorbia heloscopia from Ganderbal kashmir

[J.M. Garg]

I also agree as per images at Euphorbia peplus


On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 08:26, Gurcharan Singh  wrote:

> Not E. helioscopia, it is E. peplus, see semilunar glands with two slender
> horns
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
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> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:09 AM Shakir Ahmad 
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Fwd: [efloraofindia:434158] Re: TABEBUIA PALLIDA

[J.M. Garg]

Bimal ji is talking of Daurs, West Bengal.

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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 12:46
Subject: [efloraofindia:434158] Re: TABEBUIA PALLIDA
To: eFloraofIndia 


Hello Garg ji.. Can you pls help me to find the location of this tree.
where this tree is planted by forest department?
Thank you.

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> From: Bimal Sar kar 
> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 18:36
> Subject: Re: TABEBUIA PALLIDA
> To: J.M. Garg 
>
>
> Thank you Garg ji.
> With regards,
> Bimal
>
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 15:05, J.M. Garg  wrote:
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>> I think it should be *Tabebuia* *heterophylla* (DC.) Britton
>> 
>>  as
>> per EDIS   Flowers of India
>> 
>> CABI   Useful tropical Plants
>>   Hawaii
>> Botany 
>> *Tabebuia pallida* is different as per JCU
>> 
>> Biodiversity of Singapore
>> 
>> stuartxchange 
>> monaconatureencyclopedia
>> 
>> eppo  (Typical specimens have
>> only a single leaflet but some have three leaflets)
>>
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>> From: Bimal Sar kar 
>> Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 at 06:49
>> Subject: TABEBUIA PALLIDA
>> To:
>>
>>
>> Attaching a collage of Tabebuia palliada. This is an introduced species
>> planted on the road side by forest department.
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Fwd: [efloraofindia:434158] Bignoniaceae Week :: Flower for ID-090113

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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:434156] Bignoniaceae Week :: Flower for
ID-090113
To: eFloraofIndia 



Hello Mani Nair sir.. can you pls tell me the location of this tabebuia
heterophylla tree. where in kalyan any landmark? I am looking for this tree
for my research purpose.
Thank you
On Wednesday, 11 December 2019 at 01:18:00 UTC-5 JM Garg wrote:

> It should be *Tabebuia* *heterophylla* (DC.) Britton
> 
>  as
> per EDIS   Flowers of India
> 
> CABI   Useful tropical Plants
>   Hawaii
> Botany 
> *Flower color: *pink, white/cream/gray as per EDIS
> 
> Tabebuia berteroi
> 
>  is
> different as per University of Florida
> 
> Hawaii botany 
> marinelifephotography
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> Flickr 
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> From: Mani Nair 
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 at 11:21
> Subject: [efloraofindia:143162] Bignoniaceae Week :: Flower for ID-090113
> To: 
>
>
> Dear friends,
>
> Sending a photo of the flower.  Kindly identify.
>
> Place : Kalyan
> Date  :  December 2012
> Habitat : Cultivated tree on roadside
>
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>
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[efloraofindia:434158] Re: TABEBUIA PALLIDA

[komal bhise]

Hello Garg ji.. Can you pls help me to find the location of this tree. 
where this tree is planted by forest department?
Thank you.

On Friday, 13 December 2019 at 22:34:59 UTC-5 JM Garg wrote:

> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Bimal Sar kar 
> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 18:36
> Subject: Re: TABEBUIA PALLIDA
> To: J.M. Garg 
>
>
> Thank you Garg ji.
> With regards,
> Bimal
>
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 15:05, J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> I think it should be *Tabebuia* *heterophylla* (DC.) Britton 
>> 
>>  as 
>> per EDIS   Flowers of India 
>> 
>>   
>> CABI   Useful tropical Plants 
>>   Hawaii 
>> Botany 
>> *Tabebuia pallida* is different as per JCU 
>> 
>>   
>> Biodiversity of Singapore 
>>   
>> stuartxchange   
>> monaconatureencyclopedia 
>>   
>> eppo  (Typical specimens have 
>> only a single leaflet but some have three leaflets) 
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Bimal Sar kar 
>> Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 at 06:49
>> Subject: TABEBUIA PALLIDA
>> To: 
>>
>>
>> Attaching a collage of Tabebuia palliada. This is an introduced species 
>> planted on the road side by forest department.
>>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434156] Bignoniaceae Week :: Flower for ID-090113

[komal bhise]

Hello Mani Nair sir.. can you pls tell me the location of this tabebuia 
heterophylla tree. where in kalyan any landmark? I am looking for this tree 
for my research purpose.  
Thank you
On Wednesday, 11 December 2019 at 01:18:00 UTC-5 JM Garg wrote:

> It should be *Tabebuia* *heterophylla* (DC.) Britton 
> 
>  as 
> per EDIS   Flowers of India 
> 
>   
> CABI   Useful tropical Plants 
>   Hawaii 
> Botany 
> *Flower color: *pink, white/cream/gray as per EDIS 
> 
> Tabebuia berteroi 
> 
>  is 
> different as per University of Florida 
> 
>   
> Hawaii botany   
> marinelifephotography 
> 
>   
> Flickr  
>
>
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> From: Mani Nair 
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 at 11:21
> Subject: [efloraofindia:143162] Bignoniaceae Week :: Flower for ID-090113
> To: 
>
>
> Dear friends,
>
> Sending a photo of the flower.  Kindly identify.
>
> Place : Kalyan
> Date  :  December 2012
> Habitat : Cultivated tree on roadside
>
> Regards,
>
> Mani
>
> -- 
>  
>  
>  
>
>
> -- 
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Re: [efloraofindia:434155] Mentha pulegium L. From Ganderbal kashmir q

[Saroj Kasaju]

OK Shakir !
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:54 AM Shakir Ahmad 
wrote:

> Thank you saroj sir
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 11:26 am Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:
>
>> Yes !
>> Thank you.
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434154] Cirsium falconeri from Ganderbal kashmir

[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess you are right gurucharan Sir !
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:47 PM Gurcharan Singh  wrote:

> Carthamus lanatus, heads are yellow but tend to fade with aged
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:37:54 AM UTC+5:30 saadiks...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> What could be the possible I'd?
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 11:22 am Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:
>>
>>> Carduus ??
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:55 AM Gurcharan Singh 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Cirsium falconeri is found in Alpine regions
 Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium falconeri from
 Kashmir-GS30 (google.com)
 




 Dr. Gurcharan Singh
 Retired  Associate Professor
 SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
 https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/


 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:35 AM Gurcharan Singh 
 wrote:

> It is Carthamus lanata
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired  Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
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>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:30 AM Gurcharan Singh 
> wrote:
>
>> Heads are too small for C. falconeri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>> Retired  Associate Professor
>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
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>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:14 AM Shakir Ahmad 
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Re: [efloraofindia:434154] Cirsium falconeri from Ganderbal kashmir

[Gurcharan Singh]

Here is my post
Carthamus lanatus – eFlora of India 


On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:32:14 PM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote:

> Carthamus lanatus, heads are yellow but tend to fade with aged
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:37:54 AM UTC+5:30 saadiks...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What could be the possible I'd?
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 11:22 am Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:
>>
>>> Carduus ??
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:55 AM Gurcharan Singh  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Cirsium falconeri is found in Alpine regions
 Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium falconeri from 
 Kashmir-GS30 (google.com) 
 




 Dr. Gurcharan Singh
 Retired  Associate Professor
 SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
 https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/


 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:35 AM Gurcharan Singh  
 wrote:

> It is Carthamus lanata
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired  Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
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>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:30 AM Gurcharan Singh  
> wrote:
>
>> Heads are too small for C. falconeri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>> Retired  Associate Professor
>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:14 AM Shakir Ahmad  
>> wrote:
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Fwd: [efloraofindia:434152] Fwd: Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight :: Alysicarpus?? ::Gori Valley :: NS OCT 05/05

[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

*Eriosema chinense *Vogel 
Thank you
Saroj Kasaju

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From: JM Garg 
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:56:00 PM UTC+5:45
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:398823] Fwd: Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight :: 
Alysicarpus?? ::Gori Valley :: NS OCT 05/05
To: efloraofindia 
Cc: Nidhan Singh 


Maybe Polygala  species.
However, I could not find a match as per comparative images herein.
Somewhat close to *Polygala glomerata* Lour. 
,
 
but different.


On Sat, 18 Sept 2021 at 21:23, Gurcharan Singh  wrote:

> Forwarding for ID
> Distributed as  Fabaceae member- Gori Valley 
> 
> Group discussion at
> Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight :: Alysicarpus?? ::Gori Valley :: NS OCT 
> 05/05 (google.com) 
> 
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Nidhan Singh 
> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 8:02:56 PM UTC+5:30
> Subject: Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight :: Alysicarpus?? ::Gori Valley :: 
> NS OCT 05/05
> To: indiantreepix 
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Please suggest id for this herb, though I do not have habit or seed pod 
> pics..recorded from Gori valley area..!!
> Is this *Alysicarpus* sp. ?
>
> -- 
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>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434152] Cirsium falconeri from Ganderbal kashmir

[Gurcharan Singh]

Carthamus lanatus, heads are yellow but tend to fade with aged

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:37:54 AM UTC+5:30 saadiks...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> What could be the possible I'd?
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 11:22 am Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:
>
>> Carduus ??
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Saroj Kasaju
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:55 AM Gurcharan Singh  wrote:
>>
>>> Cirsium falconeri is found in Alpine regions
>>> Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium falconeri from 
>>> Kashmir-GS30 (google.com) 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>>> Retired  Associate Professor
>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:35 AM Gurcharan Singh  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It is Carthamus lanata




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 Retired  Associate Professor
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> Heads are too small for C. falconeri
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired  Associate Professor
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> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
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>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:14 AM Shakir Ahmad  
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Re: [efloraofindia:434149] Requesting a herb id_1_081022

[Saroj Kasaju]

*Polygala sibirica *L. ??
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fkeralaplants.in%2Fimages%2FPolygala_sibirica.jpg=http%3A%2F%2Fkeralaplants.in%2Fkeralaplantsdetails.aspx%3Fid%3DPolygala_sibirica=YPtJfbWbKaG0vM=12ahUKEwjLwMqHhND6AhWFNLcAHWNICXoQMyglegUIARD6AQ..i=bJaEup_LJBRS8M=357=500=Polygala%20sibirica=en=safari=2ahUKEwjLwMqHhND6AhWFNLcAHWNICXoQMyglegUIARD6AQ
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:31 PM Sachin Bhaskar 
wrote:

> It isn't cultivated. It was found in the forests.
>
> Sachin Bhaskar
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 12:12 Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:
>
>> Please copy to efi also while replying.
>>
>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/polygalaceae/polygala/polygala-species/chathamattom
>> ??
>> ID still pending !
>> Is it cultivated ??
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Saroj Kasaju
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:56 AM Sachin Bhaskar <
>> sachinbhaskar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It was 400 mts above sea level. It was photographed today(081022).
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Sachin Bhaskar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 11:24 Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:
>>>
 Polygala. From where? When photographed? Elevation? habitat image ?
 Thank you.

 Saroj Kasaju


 On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:36 AM Sachin Bhaskar <
 sachinbhaskar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Respected community,
>
> Herb with a weak stem, leaves are simple, alternate with acuminate
> apex. The flowers are axillary in raceme. Corolla is polypetalous and
> papilionaceous, keel petals largest(2), wing petals (2) with reproductive
> organs inside this forming a purse. The head Petal is singular with forked
> branchings.
>
> Agasthymalai Biosphere environs.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sachin Bhaskar
>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434148] Requesting a herb id_1_081022

[Sachin Bhaskar]

It isn't cultivated. It was found in the forests.

Sachin Bhaskar


On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 12:12 Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:

> Please copy to efi also while replying.
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/polygalaceae/polygala/polygala-species/chathamattom
> ??
> ID still pending !
> Is it cultivated ??
> Thank you.
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:56 AM Sachin Bhaskar 
> wrote:
>
>> It was 400 mts above sea level. It was photographed today(081022).
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sachin Bhaskar
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 11:24 Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:
>>
>>> Polygala. From where? When photographed? Elevation? habitat image ?
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:36 AM Sachin Bhaskar <
>>> sachinbhaskar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Respected community,

 Herb with a weak stem, leaves are simple, alternate with acuminate
 apex. The flowers are axillary in raceme. Corolla is polypetalous and
 papilionaceous, keel petals largest(2), wing petals (2) with reproductive
 organs inside this forming a purse. The head Petal is singular with forked
 branchings.

 Agasthymalai Biosphere environs.

 Thanks!

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Re: [efloraofindia:434147] Requesting a herb id_1_081022

[Saroj Kasaju]

Please copy to efi also while replying.
https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/polygalaceae/polygala/polygala-species/chathamattom
??
ID still pending !
Is it cultivated ??
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:56 AM Sachin Bhaskar 
wrote:

> It was 400 mts above sea level. It was photographed today(081022).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sachin Bhaskar
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 11:24 Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:
>
>> Polygala. From where? When photographed? Elevation? habitat image ?
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Saroj Kasaju
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:36 AM Sachin Bhaskar <
>> sachinbhaskar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Respected community,
>>>
>>> Herb with a weak stem, leaves are simple, alternate with acuminate apex.
>>> The flowers are axillary in raceme. Corolla is polypetalous and
>>> papilionaceous, keel petals largest(2), wing petals (2) with reproductive
>>> organs inside this forming a purse. The head Petal is singular with forked
>>> branchings.
>>>
>>> Agasthymalai Biosphere environs.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Sachin Bhaskar
>>>
>>>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434146] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06

[J.M. Garg]

However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia
lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia).
What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea
 like
SK 3258 24 December 2021

Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1

Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2

Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro),
Assam 
Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29

Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muell. :
sk03 
PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia crustacea?

Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ??

for id. request. BRS 522

Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl.

Validation of Lindernia

Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2


In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader
circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea
 (as we are
following now).
In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western Ghats
may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea
 only.


On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish  wrote:

> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia
> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied to
> Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides *confined
> to the Western Ghats.
>Tabish
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>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of 
>> 'Re-establishment
>> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on
>> the identity of T. lindernioides
>> '
>> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net)
>> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Tabish 
>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29
>> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight ::
>> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06
>> To: eFloraofIndia 
>>
>>
>> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia
>> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a look at
>> the attached paper. It is closely similar to *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: 
>> *Lindernia
>> crustacea*) which has unwinged calyx.
>>  According to the paper:
>> "Torenia lindernioides has a distinctly winged calyx which completely
>> encloses the mature capsule. The capsule is elongated, lelliptic in outline
>> and narrowed at the top. Lindernia crustacea, however, has sepals that are,
>> at most, slightly thickened in the middle and never invest the capsule
>> completely."
>>Tabish
>>
>> On Friday, August 16, 2013 at 5:12:18 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote:
>>
>>> Scrophulariaceae fortnight
>>> dog flower family
>>> *Lindernia crustacea* (L.) F. Muell. ... also placed in: Linderniaceae
>>> Plantaginaceae Veronicaceae
>>> at MIDC Andheri on 24 AUG 07
>>>
>>> [image: Urikusa (in Japanese)]
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Fua Lanumoana (in Samoan)]
>>> 
>>> Regards.
>>> Dinesh
>>>
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Re: [efloraofindia:434145] Mentha pulegium L. From Ganderbal kashmir q

[Shakir Ahmad]

Thank you saroj sir

On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 11:26 am Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:

> Yes !
> Thank you.
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:26 AM Shakir Ahmad 
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Re: [efloraofindia:434144] Cirsium falconeri from Ganderbal kashmir

[Shakir Ahmad]

What could be the possible I'd?

On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 11:22 am Saroj Kasaju,  wrote:

> Carduus ??
> Thank you.
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:55 AM Gurcharan Singh  wrote:
>
>> Cirsium falconeri is found in Alpine regions
>> Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium falconeri from
>> Kashmir-GS30 (google.com)
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>> Retired  Associate Professor
>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:35 AM Gurcharan Singh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is Carthamus lanata
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>>> Retired  Associate Professor
>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 8:30 AM Gurcharan Singh 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Heads are too small for C. falconeri




 Dr. Gurcharan Singh
 Retired  Associate Professor
 SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
 https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/


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[efloraofindia:434143] Re: SK 3644 26 September 2022 - Poaceae

[Saroj Kasaju]

OK Manoj Ji ! By the way POWO, WCSP, CoL and GBIF have their distribution
for Tibet.
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:03 PM Manoj Chandran  wrote:

> Id is Ok. Its presence in the Kathmandu valley is understandable. But, in
> the reference you posted, there is mention of 'Tibetan Plateau' also, which
> is surprising. May be they are talking about moister Eastern part of Tibet
> (adjoining Yunan) What is the reference book?
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:03 PM Saroj Kasaju 
> wrote:
>
>> This is not Tibetan Plateau rather it is a vally and it was on moist
>> shady area.
>> Thank you Manoj ji. By the way is the ID ok ?
>> Saroj Kasaju
>>
>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 10:14 pm, Manoj Chandran 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting. It is a grass of dense shady and moist localities. I wonder
>>> how it would be found on Tibetan plateau.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 8:40 PM Saroj Kasaju 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Manoj Ji !

 Thank you.

 Saroj Kasaju


 On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 8:45 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:

> Thanks, Manoj ji
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Manoj Chandran
> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 20:24
> Subject: Re: SK 3644 26 September 2022 - Poaceae
> To: J.M. Garg 
>
>
> Nice to see this record from Kathmandu. Was it reported earlier in
> Nepal?
>
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 1:19 PM J.M. Garg  wrote:
>
>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.
>>
>> Some earlier relevant feedback:
>> *Pseudechinolaena polystachya *(Kunth) Stapf !
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Saroj Kasaju
>> Yes, Saroj Ji,
>>
>> recently reported from Andhra Pradesh also; plenty population under
>> the shade of moist places. - from Paradesi ji
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Saroj Kasaju 
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sept 2022 at 16:43
>> Subject: SK 3644 26 September 2022 - Poaceae
>> To: efloraindia , J.M. Garg <
>> jmga...@gmail.com>, Manoj Chandran 
>>
>>
>> Dear Members,
>>
>> Location: Ranibari, Kathmandu
>> Date: 21 September 2022
>> Altitude: 1370m.
>> Habitat : Wild
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Saroj Kasaju
>>
>>
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>> J.M.Garg
>>
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