[LUTE] Re: Downland/Byrd on 10-course lute (was: Ringfinger)
Ensemble music for voice, viol and lute: the mass for three voices and some 5- and 6-part choral works performed by the two and/or three of us. My own intabulations and/or simply read from the score. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 at 10:37, Moshe Davis <[3]zaydiemo...@gmail.com> wrote: Hello David, You mentioned that you gave a concert of Dowland and Byrd on 10-course lute. Which pieces from Byrd did you perform? I wasn't aware that there is much available in tablature from Byrd. Thanks in advance, Moshe Davis Jerusalem I have a nasty callus on my ring finger at the moment, studied too much romantic guitar last week, so I did my concert (Dowland and Byrd on 10-course lute) without ring finger today. Lovely tone, much better! David -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:zaydiemo...@gmail.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?
Thank you all who helped me (JM, Ron, GS, David S in particular) and so
fast! I feel ashamed to answer you so late (had a day of guitar
teaching - bread and butter, you know the story).
One more reason to keep this list afloat - in whatever form - we get
by with a little help from our friends (early music quote alert).
David
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On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 18:22, David Smith <[3]d...@dolcesfogato.com>
wrote:
Acadamia.edu has a copy for free if you want. I sent a copy to
David.
David
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Subject: [LUTE] Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of
preface?
Dear collected mind.
Could someone direct me to such, if available?
David
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[LUTE] Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?
Dear collected mind. Could someone direct me to such, if available? David -- *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ringfinger
I break chords a bit more, fast or slow as I seem fit, raking downwards with index and middle fingers independently where required. Given the nature of the music in today's concerts (Dowland lute songs and solo, and Byrd intabulations) I didn't strum upwards with the thumb a lot, as I believe in a strong and clear bass. (And I'm on all gut, which does affect one's technique a lot.) David On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 17:29, Leonard Williams <[1]arc...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: David-- When omitting the ring finger, how does one effectively employ the other fingers to hit all required strings? E.g.--two with the thumb, two with index? Depending on the string spacing? I'm interested in this because, due to a minor deformity, I can't always use the ring finger effectively. Thanks and regards, Leonard Williams -Original Message- From: David van Ooijen <[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> Cc: Lute List <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2020 9:43 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ringfinger I have a nasty callus on my ring finger at the moment, studied too much romantic guitar last week, so I did my concert (Dowland and Byrd on 10-course lute) without ring finger today. Lovely tone, much better! David On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 13:44, Rainer <[1][1][4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: From Judenkunig's Utilis et compendiaria introductio (1510-20 (?), no year) Preterea admonendus es ut literas et characteres numeri quotquot ordinatim signis notarum supponuntur, singulas eorum cordas singulis digitis (si modo digitorum dextre numerum non excedunt) discretim aut si plures sunt quam quatuor, digitorumque numerum superant, simul uno ictu pollicis oberrando percucias pulsesque. Die einzelnen Chorsaiten der Buchstaben und Ziffern sollen mit je einem Finger angeschlagen werden, falls sie nicht etwa die Zahl der Finger der rechten Hand à ¼berschreiten. Sind es aber mehr als vier Chorsaiten und à ¼berschreiten die Zahl der Finger, sollen sie (alle) zugleich mit einem Daumenschlag gestreift werden. German translation by Hans Radke Anybody crazy enough to provide an English translation? Anyway, this clearly indirectly states that the third finger of the right hand was used. See Hans Radke Acta Musicologica, Vol. 52, Fasc. 2 (Jul. - Dec., 1980), pp. 134-147 Am 30.08.2020 um 21:10 schrieb Martin Shepherd: > Le Roy (1568/74) explains it all... > > M > > On 30/08/2020 17:14, Leonard Williams wrote: >> Good question--I have a hard time getting my ring finger working well, >> especially switching between single-note runs and four-note chords. I >> can't separate it far enough from my pinky. How were chords of more >> than three notes played without ring finger in thumb-in play? >> Regards, >> Leonard Williams >> -Original Message- >> From: [2][2][5]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de >> To: lute net <[3][3][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Lute arc >> <[4][4][7]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 8:59 am >> Subject: [LUTE] Ringfinger >> Dear all, >> first of all I'd like to express my sincerest gratitude towards Wayne >> for creating this great forum! Unfortunately I became only a member a >> few years ago, but still I enjoyed much of the discussions here! I >> hope, >> that the list will continue also after Wayne's retirement! >> The actual reason for writing is this time about the use of the >> ringfinger of the right hand in 16th/early 17th century lute music. >> What >> do we know about it? When did lute players start to use it? It would be >> great to collect some sources, with your ge
[LUTE] Re: Ringfinger
I have a nasty callus on my ring finger at the moment, studied too much
romantic guitar last week, so I did my concert (Dowland and Byrd on
10-course lute) without ring finger today. Lovely tone, much better!
David
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 13:44, Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
wrote:
From Judenkunig's
Utilis et compendiaria introductio (1510-20 (?), no year)
Preterea admonendus es ut literas et characteres numeri quotquot
ordinatim signis notarum supponuntur,
singulas eorum cordas singulis digitis (si modo digitorum dextre
numerum non
excedunt) discretim aut si plures sunt quam quatuor, digitorumque
numerum
superant, simul uno ictu pollicis oberrando percucias pulsesque.
Die einzelnen Chorsaiten der Buchstaben und Ziffern sollen mit je
einem Finger angeschlagen
werden, falls sie nicht etwa die Zahl der Finger der rechten Hand
überschreiten.
Sind es aber mehr als vier Chorsaiten und überschreiten die Zahl
der Finger, sollen
sie (alle) zugleich mit einem Daumenschlag gestreift werden.
German translation by Hans Radke
Anybody crazy enough to provide an English translation?
Anyway, this clearly indirectly states that the third finger of the
right hand was used.
See
Hans Radke
Acta Musicologica, Vol. 52, Fasc. 2 (Jul. - Dec., 1980), pp. 134-147
Am 30.08.2020 um 21:10 schrieb Martin Shepherd:
> Le Roy (1568/74) explains it all...
>
> M
>
> On 30/08/2020 17:14, Leonard Williams wrote:
>> Good question--I have a hard time getting my ring finger
working well,
>> especially switching between single-note runs and four-note
chords. I
>> can't separate it far enough from my pinky. How were chords
of more
>> than three notes played without ring finger in thumb-in
play?
>> Regards,
>> Leonard Williams
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [2]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de
>> To: lute net <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Lute arc
>> <[4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>
>> Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 8:59 am
>> Subject: [LUTE] Ringfinger
>> Dear all,
>> first of all I'd like to express my sincerest gratitude
towards Wayne
>> for creating this great forum! Unfortunately I became only
a member a
>> few years ago, but still I enjoyed much of the discussions
here! I
>> hope,
>> that the list will continue also after Wayne's retirement!
>> The actual reason for writing is this time about the use of
the
>> ringfinger of the right hand in 16th/early 17th century
lute music.
>> What
>> do we know about it? When did lute players start to use it?
It would be
>> great to collect some sources, with your generous help!
Also ideas for
>> modern literature is appreciated!
>> Have a nice sunday and enjoy lute playing
>> Yuval
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[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Congratulations on your retirement: time to play more lute! Thank you for all your years of work. It will be sad to see the lute list go. Old fashioned in these days of Fb-groups, perhaps, but it suits me fine. Sad to see me friends go. Let's keep in touch! David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 21:27, Arto Wikla <[3]wi...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Big thanks to you for your valuable work of decades!! Arto On 22.8.2020 22.04, Wayne wrote: > Hi - > >I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. > >If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don't recommend that someone else try to use it. I don't know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. > > Wayne > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:wi...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Strings for an English theorbo set up as a baroque lute
>> I can use plain gut for the strings that go up to 100 cm, but beyond that is what I need to work out. I imagine beyond that they will not work. Any suggestions would be helpful. >> I have plain gut, singles, so only the lower octave, on the neck extension of all my theorboes and archlutes. David ******* David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 11:22, Martyn Hodgson <[3]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Dear Jay, Most Italian theorbos were, in fact double strung - it's a modern day fashion to think they were only single strung. A 'baroque' lute based on early instruments and contemporary information would generally have a string length in the high 60s (say around 68cm) for most of the seventeenth century; - by the eighteenth the instrument, now being played in mostly German speaking lands, was around the low 70s (say 71cm) - although a few larger instruments are extant up to around 76cm which, of course, need to be tuned at a very low pitch to bring the first course up to nominal f'. In short the baroque lute and the double re-entrant Italian theorbo are two entirely different, and different sizes of, instruments and must necessarily needs be configured in wholly different ways. regards Martyn On Sunday, 3 May 2020, 08:52:56 BST, Jay F. <[4]existentialismy...@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Martyn, Yeah I have no intention of actually using it as an English theorbo - its merely so I can have a 2-in-1 baroque lute and double course italian theorbo. The idea is just to use the design of the english theorbo to achieve that because its not possible to set up an italian theorbo with double courses. Cheers, Jay __ - Forwarded message - From: Martyn Hodgson <[5]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> To: Jay F. <[6]existentialismy...@hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, 3 May 2020, 08:24:35 BST Subject: Re: [LUTE] Strings for an English theorbo set up as a baroque lute Dear Jay F, An English theorbo with such a short fingered string length (ie 76/77cm) would only have the first course an octave down, The historical practice was always to tune strings as high as they could reach (ie just short of Breaking Stress). Thus a second course on a nominal G tuned English theorbo would be d' which is fine for this string length at the pitch standards common at the time. MH On Sunday, 3 May 2020, 08:17:17 BST, Jay F. <[7]existentialismy...@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi everyone, I'm considering doing something a bit crazy and getting a 14 course English theorbo, albeit one strung in D minor as a baroque lute. The logic here is that it will allow me to play baroque music (mainly Weiss) but if I feel so inclined I can just change the top two courses, add the 14th and then play standard 16th century theorbo solo repertoire in A. I'm sure a double course theorbo would sound pretty cool. I've only just come up with the idea so I haven't really put much thought into it which is why I'm reaching out to the collective here. Can any of you think of the major problems with this idea? One obvious problem will be selecting the right strings. I'm thinking I'll go for the top 8 courses with a string length of 76 or 77 cm (for fretting) and have the bottom 6 courses stagger up to about 135 cm. My understanding is that Italian theorbos are single course instruments because the octave courses snap once they are required to be beyond a certain length at a given pitch. The English theorbo is I guess supposed to keep the octave strings short and the bases long. I'm sure I can use plain gut for the strings that go up to 100 cm, but beyond that is what I need to work out. I imagine beyond that they will not work. Any suggestions would be helpful. I'm thinking I might need to go for carbon strings? Linda Sayce's theorbo appears to use metal overwound strings which I would prefer to avoid. Cheers, Jay -[1]l Lute Mail list technical information -- References Visible links: 1. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.htm
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Burwell Lute Tutor Pieces
>>
Your Scribd page has amazing treasures, Ernst!
<<
Indeed. Thank you Ernst!
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wrote:
Your Scribd page has amazing treasures, Ernst!
Rob MacKillop
On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 10:19, <[1][4]fischer...@aon.at> wrote:
Dear lute friends,
As you most probably know, the "Burwell Lute Tutor" is a
manuscript
tutor for the baroque lute. The manuscript is Miss Mary
Burwell's
(born
1654) copy of a method written by an Englishman (the name
Mr.
John
Rogers has been suggested) who claims was himself a pupil of
the
French
Ennemond Gaultier. The teacher corrected Miss Burwell's copy
of
the
text and filled in the music examples. Both the "Burwell
Lute
Tutor"
and "The Lute Made Easie" (by Thomas Mace, London, 1676) are
two
very
authentic and surviving sources of its time teaching in
great
detail
from A to Z how to play the baroque lute.
For teaching practice, the manuscript contains examples of
French-style
lute pieces, mainly fragments and sometimes individual bars
only.
The
music examples are chaotic, with both teacher and pupil
contributing to
mistakes Some of the pieces are known, and concordances
exist in
other
lute manuscripts, other pieces are new and unique.
Over the last months or so I tried playing nearly all pieces
after I
identified (if possible), corrected and completed majority
of the
pieces from the Burwell Lute Tutor.
Please find here the link to my compilation of baroque lute
pieces from
the "Burwell Lute Tutor":
[1][2][5]http://www.apeptico.com/index-burwell_lute_tutor
Please stay healthy and resist Corona!
Ernst Bernhard ("viennalute") from Vienna.
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[LUTE] Re: Online tuition
70 pupils here. Not all of them on Zoom, luckily. Compression galore. No way to demonstrate or hear dynamics, especially things like sfz. Some student are happy to send in and receive video clips. Sound wise a much better medium. Video Exchange can be finalized with an on-line lesson, better solution. David On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 19:36, Stephan Olbertz <[1]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote: Does anyone have a solution for the massive and changing compression in Zoom and elsewhere? Even if I uncheck automatic volume control it behaves like having a life of its own. I have a proper microphone and a USB Interface, but still... Having taught 32 students per week (on three days), I also think it works, but you earn your money hard, it's quite exhausting... Good luck Stephan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Michal Gondko Gesendet: Samstag, 11. April 2020 14:24 An: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Online tuition Dear All, I'm currently offering online lessons. Two HD webcams (one for close-ups). External mic for improved sound quality. Tested Zoom (recommended), FaceTime (good), Skype and Messenger (possible but not recommended). Open to players of all levels. If interested, feel free to get in touch (via [5]http://michalgondko.info/contact/ or social media). It does work! Best wishes, stay healthy. Michal To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [8]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. mailto:stephan.olbe...@web.de 2. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://michalgondko.info/contact/ 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 8. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Online tuition
Same here Michael, sound wise Zoom is the best option and in one on one lessons there are no known security issues. If pupils are worried about the Fb-link or data hoarding, I offer WhatsApp video call. David On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 15:20, Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: I don't know - if there's one issue, others may be unknown. But probably safe enough :) On 11.04.20 14:42, Michal Gondko wrote: > Thanks Tristan. I wouldn't expect zoombombing to be a problem in one-to-one teaching. Meetings are closed for public and password protection is available. Unless I'm missing something. > >> On 11 Apr 2020, at 14:17, Tristan von Neumann <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: >> >> Nice :) >> >> >> Zoom has security issues though. >> >> I recommend Jitsi, which is very secure, open source with end-to-end >> encryption, no signup required. >> >> It offers features like desktop sharing etc., all you need for online >> lessons. >> >> [3]https://meet.jit.si/ >> >> >> >> >> On 11.04.20 14:24, Michal Gondko wrote: >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I'm currently offering online lessons. Two HD webcams (one for close-ups). External mic for improved sound quality. Tested Zoom (recommended), FaceTime (good), Skype and Messenger (possible but not recommended). Open to players of all levels. If interested, feel free to get in touch (via [4]http://michalgondko.info/contact/ or social media). It does work! >>> >>> Best wishes, stay healthy. >>> >>> Michal >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [7]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. https://meet.jit.si/ 4. http://michalgondko.info/contact/ 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 7. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: USB Microphone
I'm giving all my lessons on-line now (Zoom/Skype/FaceTime/WhattApp/WhattNot). I have fancy mics (some Rodes and a Senneheiser) and a proper interface (Focusrite) . Did some testing and it turned out that the build-in mic (where is that mic anyway?) in the iMac gives better results than the fancy mic + interface. Go figure. Home recordings is another story. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 23:06, John Trout <[3]tjtrout...@gmail.com> wrote: Can anyone recommend a relatively inexpensive USB microphone that I can use with. Macbook Pro for lessons over the internet and possible home recordings? Thanks, � John -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:tjtrout...@gmail.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale
I use Finale. For French tab font I use Times Roman bold italics. Size 11. I place the ciphers through the tab lines, not in between. I check the box to not let tab lines cross the tab ciphers. David On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 02:36, Mac User <[1]cwiggin...@nc.rr.com> wrote: Hi all! I've been using Finale as my primary music notation software for many years. Recently, I've begun arranging Renaissance and early Baroque music for a mixed lute trio (Tenor in G, Alto in A, Soprano in D), and while Finale does a fabulous job notating, transposing, printing, etc., the one complaint I've had (and have made it myself) is the look and function of the font used for the letters when notating in the French style. I've tried many fonts available on my computer; none seem adequate. Specifically, the letters cover each other when two or more notes appear at the same time. A friend recommended using Fronimo, but I don't believe that one works on a Mac, which I use exclusively. Does anyone here have a recommendation? Craig Wiggins Durham, NC To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. mailto:cwiggin...@nc.rr.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: The Queenes Treble play along video
Any video editing app will allow you to place pictures or âstills' in the video. I make my tabs and scores in Finale, export as jog and place those in my video. David On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 00:14, Terry Muska <[1]tmu...@aol.com> wrote: Very nice David! How in the world did you place the score into the video? I would appreciate you sharing your process. Thanks, Terry Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 22, 2020, at 10:52 AM, David van Ooijen <[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >This is what I just made for my locked down students, maybe it's of use >to some of you as well: >[1][3]https://youtu.be/hLkN3Q0ip9w >David >*********** >David van Ooijen >[2][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com >[3][5]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com >*** > >-- > > References > >Visible links: >1. [6]https://youtu.be/hLkN3Q0ip9w >2. mailto:[7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com >3. [8]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ > >Hidden links: >5. [9]https://youtu.be/hLkN3Q0ip9w > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [11]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [12]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. mailto:tmu...@aol.com 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. https://youtu.be/hLkN3Q0ip9w 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/ 6. https://youtu.be/hLkN3Q0ip9w 7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 8. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 9. https://youtu.be/hLkN3Q0ip9w 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 11. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 12. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Each one with his/her phone.
This is what I made a while ago with my guitar (and one lute!) pupil. [1]https://youtu.be/_rd4ybtec4Y David On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 00:41, Alain Veylit <[2]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote: A somewhat more elaborate take on the same idea - also using a master tape, but took about a year to record in "real time": [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph1GU1qQ1zQ Luthistes de tous les pays unissez-vous! On 3/23/20 3:30 PM, howard posner wrote: >> On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:12 AM, Diego Cantalupi <[4]tio...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Each one with his/her phone. >> >> Il 23/03/2020 16:11, Dr. Henner Kahlert ha scritto: >>> Wonderful! With which device did you manage to play and record this? > Could you share how you did it? > > Two days ago I tried to lead our small congregation in a virtual service using Zoom, and it was impossible to synchronize it. Even if our mouths were moving in unison, it was cacophony. > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [7]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. https://youtu.be/_rd4ybtec4Y 2. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph1GU1qQ1zQ 4. mailto:tio...@gmail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 7. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] The Queenes Treble play along video
This is what I just made for my locked down students, maybe it's of use to some of you as well: [1]https://youtu.be/hLkN3Q0ip9w David *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References Visible links: 1. https://youtu.be/hLkN3Q0ip9w 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ Hidden links: 5. https://youtu.be/hLkN3Q0ip9w To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
e >> > literature. >> > I guess even Paul O'Dette struggled a lot with > it. >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> > > [3][4][5][11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >>-- >> >> References >> >>1. mailto:[5][6][12]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com >>2. mailto:[6][7][13]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de >>3. > [7][8][14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > -- > References > 1. mailto:[9][15]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 2. mailto:[10][16]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 3. mailto:[11][17]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 4. [12][18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 5. mailto:[13][19]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 6. mailto:[14][20]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 7. [15][21]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- > References > 1. [1]mailto:[22]christophertstet...@gmail.com > 2. [2]mailto:[23]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 3. [3]mailto:[24]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 4. [4]mailto:[25]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 5. [5][26]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 6. [6]mailto:[27]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 7. [7]mailto:[28]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 8. [8][29]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 9. [9]mailto:[30]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de >10. [10]mailto:[31]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com >11. [11]mailto:[32]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de >12. [12][33]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >13. [13]mailto:[34]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com >14. [14]mailto:[35]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de >15. [15][36]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > Virus-free. [16][37]www.avast.com > > -- > > References > > Visible links: > 1. mailto:[38]christophertstet...@gmail.com > 2. mailto:[39]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 3. mailto:[40]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 4. mailto:[41]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 5. [42]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 6. mailto:[43]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 7. mailto:[44]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 8. [45]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 9. mailto:[46]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 10. mailto:[47]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 11. mailto:[48]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 12. [49]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 13. mailto:[50]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 14. mailto:[51]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 15. [52]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 16. [53]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link _campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link > > Hidden links: > 18. [54]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link _campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon > 19. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L3116310-6504TMP.html#DAB4FA D8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 > -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([55]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [56]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- *** David van Ooijen [57]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [58]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/terzis-intabulations/ 2. mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 3. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lutesm...@gmail.com 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 8. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 9. ma
[LUTE] Re: Everyone OK?
Cancelled concerts in the middle of passion season, so being hit. Hard. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 at 21:56, Braig, Eugene <[3]brai...@osu.edu> wrote: As well as can be expected. Pretty dramatic measures being taken to limit risks of group exposures in Ohio, USA, including by my university employer. Routines-including performing, rehearsing, and lecturing-pretty thoroughly disrupted, but justifiably so. Looking forward to emergence on the other side, when this pandemic is only memory. Be well out there. Eugene -Original Message- From: [4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Leonard Williams Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:11 PM To: [6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Everyone OK? Things have been rather quiet on the list...I hope everyone is OK during this stressful period! Best regards, Leonard Williams -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/*wbc/lute -admin/index.html__;fg!!KGKeukY!gI-x-fVU7nUwK-VWysP0GZ10Vgu7yNLIfHfX cg9xXA0_3P4RcbSkNMgJ1VfA5zw$ -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:brai...@osu.edu 4. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/*wbc/lute-admin/index.html__;fg!!KGKeukY!gI-x-fVU7nUwK-VWysP0GZ10Vgu7yNLIfHfXcg9xXA0_3P4RcbSkNMgJ1VfA5zw$
[LUTE] Re: pickup or mic inside lute
Schertler Dyn-Uni [1]https://secure.schertler.com/en_IT/shop/pickups/dyn-uni-p48 David *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 17:32, Jurgen Frenz <[4]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote: David if you don't mind, which particular stick-on mic is it that you're fond of? Thanks Jurgen ___ Jürgen Frenz - Zittau im Dreiländereck PL/CZ/DE "Mata Telinga" Alte+Neue Musik +49 15733699647 âââââââ Original Message âââââââ On Friday, February 7, 2020 11:52 AM, David van Ooijen <[5]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a separate Schertler stick-on mic that I can use on all > lutes/guitars I play. I can plug it into an amp I bring myself, or > alternatively have a preamp (also Schertler) to give the PA-man a > Direct Out while I'm still in control of my own EQ. The preamp also has > a mute button, comes in handy when not playing or when tuning. > A normal mic sounds better, but this works and had no feed back > issues. > A mic inside an instrument (I have a classical guitar with a build-in > condenser mic) sounds rather boomy and can have feed-back issues. > ymmv > David > > David van Ooijen > [1][6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com > [2][7]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com > > On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 07:40, Ed Durbrow <[3][8]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> > > wrote: > > I'm thinking of having my archlute repaired which will entail > removal > of the top. I'm also thinking if I do that, I'd like to have a > pickup > or mic installed. I'm looking for recommendations for a natural > sounding pickup or mic inside the lute that is no hassle use. I > need > something that can be plugged into a wireless transmitter. The > wireless > system I have is a high end Sennheiser (ew 100 G2 ) that uses a > condenser mic. I don't understand this stuff very well. I don't > know if > a pickup can look the same as a condenser mic to the transmitter. > The ew-100 G2 manual says. > AF characteristics > Max. input voltage (at peak deviation) Microphone 1.8 Vrms, > unbalanced > 1.2 Veff, unbalanced > Line 2.4 Vrms > Input impedance Microphone 10 kà ©, unbalanced10 kà ©, unbalanced > Line 1 Mà © > Thanks in advance. > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > [1][4][9]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch > [2][5][10]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > [3][6][11]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > -- > References > 1. [7][12]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch > 2. [8][13]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > 3. [9][14]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > To get on or off this list see list information at > [10][15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > - > > References > > 1. mailto:[16]davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 2. [17]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ > 3. mailto:[18]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp > 4. [19]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
[LUTE] Re: pickup or mic inside lute
I have a separate Schertler stick-on mic that I can use on all lutes/guitars I play. I can plug it into an amp I bring myself, or alternatively have a preamp (also Schertler) to give the PA-man a Direct Out while I'm still in control of my own EQ. The preamp also has a mute button, comes in handy when not playing or when tuning. A normal mic sounds better, but this works and had no feed back issues. A mic inside an instrument (I have a classical guitar with a build-in condenser mic) sounds rather boomy and can have feed-back issues. ymmv David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 07:40, Ed Durbrow <[3]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> wrote: I'm thinking of having my archlute repaired which will entail removal of the top. I'm also thinking if I do that, I'd like to have a pickup or mic installed. I'm looking for recommendations for a natural sounding pickup or mic inside the lute that is no hassle use. I need something that can be plugged into a wireless transmitter. The wireless system I have is a high end Sennheiser (ew 100 G2 ) that uses a condenser mic. I don't understand this stuff very well. I don't know if a pickup can look the same as a condenser mic to the transmitter. The ew-100 G2 manual says. AF characteristics Max. input voltage (at peak deviation) Microphone 1.8 Vrms, unbalanced 1.2 Veff, unbalanced Line 2.4 Vrms Input impedance Microphone 10 ké, unbalanced10 ké, unbalanced Line 1 Mé Thanks in advance. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1][4]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [2][5]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow [3][6]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. [7]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. [8]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 3. [9]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 4. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 5. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 6. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 7. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 8. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 9. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...
Don't arpeggiate. [1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/continuo-playing-on-baroque-lut e-lesson-four-first-practical-step/ On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 03:36, Mark Probert <[2]probe...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, all. A bit of an open-ended question here. Suppose I given a piece of early Baroque music, take Monteverdi's duet "Ardo e scoprir"[1] by way of specific example, and I want to create a passable continuo line to support the singers (potentially with me singing one of lines). I come armed with my lute, an a-historic Dm 13c lute, a certain amount of theory, but no real clue apart from "play the indicated root" and "arpeggiate the triads". Given this is akin to asking "how do you realize a bass," can anyone point me in the direction of how you start such a journey on a lute? And if the theory is much different using a Dm lute rather than theorbo? Many thanks .. mark. [1] [3]https://www3.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Ardo_e_scoprir,_ahi_lasso,_i o_non_ardisco_(Claudio_Monteverdi) To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *********** David van Ooijen [5]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [6]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/continuo-playing-on-baroque-lute-lesson-four-first-practical-step/ 2. mailto:probe...@gmail.com 3. https://www3.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Ardo_e_scoprir,_ahi_lasso,_io_non_ardisco_(Claudio_Monteverdi) 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 6. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Good to hear about the b/w MobiSheets version. I'v been trying out the
free version out so far, not optimized for e-ink, but I like the
functionality, so I'll check out their e-ink version.
David
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 19:25, Daniel Shoskes
<[1]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mobilesheets has a dedicated E ink machine version that you can get
directly from their website. [2]https://zubersoft.onfastspring.com
Optimized for bw screen and page turns.
If you bought the wrong pro version and want to switch to the Eink
version Zubersoft will let you do that free of charge. The more I
use it the better I like it. Had a couple questions that were
quickly answered for me on the Zubersoft forum. Especially handy is
performance mode which blocks any functionality other than page
turns. No risk of entering annotation mode by mistake in the middle
of a performance! Used the image sharpen function and a blurry
manuscript suddenly became easier to read from.
Loving the Boox Max 3 as well. It is now my go to e book reader.
Bluetooth pedal paired first time. Lasted over 3 weeks on a single
battery charge.
So far so good...
> On Jan 23, 2020, at 12:41 PM, David van Ooijen
<[3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Like Dan I've bought an Onyx Boox Max 3, but with the sheet
music
>reader shell (is that the correct computer word?) made by PadMu
from
>Italy.It's a dual boot machine: you can start it in Android
or in
>the PadMu operating system. PadMu replaces the Onyx book reader
App
>with a sheet music reader App, complete with library app to
manage your
>scores. All other functionality is the same, including access
to other
>apps on the machine. You can also run the MobiSheets app. Even
have
>both on the machine. I have it a few days now, spend too much
time
>figuring out the AppStore sign in, connected my old AirTurn PED
after
>too many wrong attempts, but it's looking good so far. A joy to
read
>from and easy to make annotations in the music.
>
>MobiSheets has more functionality, but is not optimized for a
b/w
>screen, as menus are hard to read. I haven't figured out all
the
>setting yet, so I'm sure there's a lot I'm missing
>
>Questions welcome, off list if you feel it's more appropriate.
>
>David
>
>On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:29, David van Ooijen
><[1][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Dan, I saw that video too. Also saw the Gvido
(double A4).
> Too
> bad that one doesn't survive in the real life reviews.
There's an
> Italian company that makes A4 size e-ink readers you can
connect
>into
> double A4. Also tempting.
> Let us know your experienceswith the Max3
> David
> ***
> David van Ooijen
> [1][2][5]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
> [2][3][6]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com
> ***
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17, Daniel Shoskes
> <[3][4][7]kidneykut...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> I ended up getting the Boox Max 3
>
>
[4][5][8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_log
o
> Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2
> [5][6][9]https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI
> Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both
computer
> generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very
clear.
> Surface
> actually feels like paper. This version works with finger
touch
> and
> with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns.
> Danny
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen
> <[6][7][10]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi Dan
>Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at
e-ink
> sheet
> music
>readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up.
>David
>***
>David van Ooijen
>[1][7][8][11]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
>[2][8][9][12]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com
>***
>On
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Like Dan I've bought an Onyx Boox Max 3, but with the sheet music
reader shell (is that the correct computer word?) made by PadMu from
Italy. It's a dual boot machine: you can start it in Android or in
the PadMu operating system. PadMu replaces the Onyx book reader App
with a sheet music reader App, complete with library app to manage your
scores. All other functionality is the same, including access to other
apps on the machine. You can also run the MobiSheets app. Even have
both on the machine. I have it a few days now, spend too much time
figuring out the AppStore sign in, connected my old AirTurn PED after
too many wrong attempts, but it's looking good so far. A joy to read
from and easy to make annotations in the music.
MobiSheets has more functionality, but is not optimized for a b/w
screen, as menus are hard to read. I haven't figured out all the
setting yet, so I'm sure there's a lot I'm missing
Questions welcome, off list if you feel it's more appropriate.
David
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:29, David van Ooijen
<[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Dan, I saw that video too. Also saw the Gvido (double A4).
Too
bad that one doesn't survive in the real life reviews. There's an
Italian company that makes A4 size e-ink readers you can connect
into
double A4. Also tempting.
Let us know your experiences with the Max3
David
***
David van Ooijen
[1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
[2][3]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com
***
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17, Daniel Shoskes
<[3][4]kidneykut...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I ended up getting the Boox Max 3
[4][5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_logo
Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2
[5][6]https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI
Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both computer
generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very clear.
Surface
actually feels like paper. This version works with finger touch
and
with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns.
Danny
On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen
<[6][7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dan
Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink
sheet
music
readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up.
David
***
David van Ooijen
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On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes
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wrote:
This is the year I've committed to reducing paper clutter
throughout
the house so I've finally bought a dedicated tablet for
music
storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display
which
is
friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1
page.
It
is however the first device I have owned that runs Android
(9.0)
rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet
music
management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac
or
iOS
equivalent).
Would be interested to hear from anyone who uses Android
software
for lute music purposes on a tablet. Any valuable programs
out
there?
Thanks
Danny
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[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Thanks Dan, I saw that video too. Also saw the Gvido (double A4). Too
bad that one doesn't survive in the real life reviews. There's an
Italian company that makes A4 size e-ink readers you can connect into
double A4. Also tempting.
Let us know your experiences with the Max3
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On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17, Daniel Shoskes <[3]kidneykut...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I ended up getting the Boox Max 3
[4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_logo
Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2
[5]https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI
Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both computer
generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very clear. Surface
actually feels like paper. This version works with finger touch and
with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns.
Danny
On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen
<[6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dan
Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink sheet
music
readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up.
David
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On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes
<[3][9]kidneykut...@gmail.com>
wrote:
This is the year I've committed to reducing paper clutter
throughout
the house so I've finally bought a dedicated tablet for music
storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display which
is
friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1 page.
It
is however the first device I have owned that runs Android (9.0)
rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music
management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or
iOS
equivalent).
Would be interested to hear from anyone who uses Android
software
for lute music purposes on a tablet. Any valuable programs out
there?
Thanks
Danny
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5. https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI
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[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Hi Dan Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink sheet music readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes <[3]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: This is the year I've committed to reducing paper clutter throughout the house so I've finally bought a dedicated tablet for music storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display which is friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1 page. It is however the first device I have owned that runs Android (9.0) rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or iOS equivalent). Would be interested to hear from anyone who uses Android software for lute music purposes on a tablet. Any valuable programs out there? Thanks Danny To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: bandora question
On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 17:33, Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote: In case this may be of interest to you, Stuart: I just chanced yesterday on a piece by Tobias Hume for a treble [...] BTW, does anyone know of a better quality PDF copy of that book besides the one on IMLSP, that has a lot of see through...? I thought Scolar Press had a good facsimile. David Alain On 11/19/19 5:57 AM, WALSH STUART wrote: What is the current thinking on Ian Harwood's closing remarks on the bandora in New Grove? "...the technique required in the solo music is considerable, involving some extreme stretches for the left hand. It seems likely that such music would have been played on the smaller, high-pitched instruments, as much of it is virtually unplayable on bandoras of the sizes described and measured by Praetorius and Talbot." Harwood argues for the existence of a smaller bandora with a top course at D rather than A. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1][2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *********** David van Ooijen [4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [5]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: werckmeister 3
Werckmeister (like Jägermeister and Weltmeister) is a bit of a bother. All irregular temperaments are. Either tune open strings and frets to the organ, that sort of works all right, or calculate a fretting pattern for the 'white' notes and most common sharps/flats. That won't work in theory, but you'll soon learn to avoid the bad notes and get a sort of working compromise. My usual compromise is to come with 1/6 comma meantone, as the lute will sound nice in itself, and see where the differences with the organ are, so I know what to avoid when doubling. Depending how big the continuo group/orchestra is, you wont have any trouble anyway (doubling the bass line with the cello/viol/double bass can be the most difficult). Bets advice; don't fret about it too much. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 10:32, Wolfgang <[3]tappi...@web.de> wrote: i have to play with an organ tuned to werckmeister 3 (Buxtehude). Is there any possible not too bad sounding lutetuning? To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:tappi...@web.de 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Thomann Canterella and LLD lutes
Well put.
Gibson has some of their designs patented. You can copy an ES335, but
you are not allowed to copy the shape of the shoulders, the shape of
the top of the headstock, the shape of the trussrod cover and the
Gibson logo and name. I suppose LDD has a patent on their logo, but on
the shape and design of their instruments? It will all come down to the
agreement LDD has with it's Chinese supplier, but I think Thomann is
free to buy on the international market.
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 11:29, Ralf Mattes <[3]r...@mh-freiburg.de> wrote:
Am Freitag, 20. September 2019 11:00 CEST, David van Ooijen
<[4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> schrieb:
> I think the author of the video is too quick in accusing
Thomann
> instead of the Chinese supplier.
I think the author of said video might be up for an unpleasant
surprise - he's accusing
Thomann of a crime. He better has some convincing prove of
evidence.
> Chinese suppliers of copied
> instruments often use the pictures from the originals, and
not form
> their own work. If you go internet shopping for a cheap
Chinese Gibson,
> Fender or fancy jazz guitar, you'll find the suppliers use the
pictures
> taken from the websites of the original guitars, and not
pictures from
> what you will actually get.
I don't think this is a case of a stolen picture. If I understand
correctly, the instruments sold by
Le Luth Doré are in fact produced by a third party manufacturer
("... provisions of LLD's manufacturing agreements"
to quote their statement). It's rather likely that said (unnamed)
manufacutrer (most likely a chinese company)
did sell the same instruments to Thomann (a company that doesn't
build instruments at all, it's just a large resale
company). Whether or not this was legal depends on the contracts
between Le Luth Doré and it's manufacturer.
Accusing Thomann of "copyright/inelectual property" infringement is
pretty silly. They most likely just bought up
a charge of instruments on the international market - after all,
those instruments don't seem to be part of their
regular catalog.
> I'm sure Thomann violates copyright laws by
> distributing these instruments, if they actually did because
in all the
> stories I haven't heard anyone yet who actually bought one of
the
> Thomann Chanterelle copycat lutes, but I think the focus of
LDD should
> be at looking at what's going on at their Chinese lute
supplier.
> On a side note. I'm interested in the copyright on a
historically
> accurate lute. If a luthier makes a historically accurate
lute, whose
> copyright are you infringing if you make that same
historically
> accurate lute?
Even so IANAL I'm pretty shure there is no "copyright" on instrument
(or any kind of industrial) design.
There is either a patent (highly unlikely ;-) or what is called a
'utility patent' / 'utility model' (germ. "Gebrauchsmuster").
Now, in most jurisdictions, those need to be registered before you
can enforce them. Maybe Le Luth Doré might
have failed to do so. Or the chinese company just didn't care - this
IS a known problem in the chinese-european
trade.
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[LUTE] Re: Thomann Canterella and LLD lutes
I think the author of the video is too quick in accusing Thomann instead of the Chinese supplier. Chinese suppliers of copied instruments often use the pictures from the originals, and not form their own work. If you go internet shopping for a cheap Chinese Gibson, Fender or fancy jazz guitar, you'll find the suppliers use the pictures taken from the websites of the original guitars, and not pictures from what you will actually get. I'm sure Thomann violates copyright laws by distributing these instruments, if they actually did because in all the stories I haven't heard anyone yet who actually bought one of the Thomann Chanterelle copycat lutes, but I think the focus of LDD should be at looking at what's going on at their Chinese lute supplier. On a side note. I'm interested in the copyright on a historically accurate lute. If a luthier makes a historically accurate lute, whose copyright are you infringing if you make that same historically accurate lute? David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 10:39, Anthony Hind <[3]agno3ph...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Dear Bruno and other Lutenists Following on from questions raised by Bruno Carneiro and others about Thomann Canterlla lutes being possible copies of LLD lutes, I see Braedon Hofmann has posted this video about this question: [1][4]https://youtu.be/VcOIeVwCOv0 Regards Anthony [2]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -- References 1. [5]https://youtu.be/VcOIeVwCOv0 2. [6]https://yho.com/footer0 To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:agno3ph...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. https://youtu.be/VcOIeVwCOv0 5. https://youtu.be/VcOIeVwCOv0 6. https://yho.com/footer0 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Continuo in D (renaissance tuning)?
I do on occasion. I have a huge 10-course in D 78cm or something similar). Sometimes I chicken out and play transposed parts. If the D-lute stint is a bit longer I bite the bullet and play at pitch. Not so difficult (but I play easy continuo on it: early Italian music), no complicated high baroque. David On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 09:16, Jörg Hilbert <[1]hilbert.jo...@t-online.de> wrote: Dear all, I have got a big Mandora in D (renaissance tuning, NOT d-minor, NOT theorobo). I may try to play some continuo with it as it's quite sonorous. Has anybody experiences with this? Thanks Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:hilbert.jo...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[SPAM] [LUTE] Re: Thomann Cantarella, lower priced LLD?
LLD one?. By very similar I mean It even looks to have the crown on top of the LLD letters. The case, varnish and overall look made me stare back and forth Thomann's page and my own lute. I'm putting some pictures here so you guys can see if I'm correct or not. Since Thomann was selling these lutes at the time (right now they seem to be out of stock) with a couple hundred euros price reduction compared to LLD's webstore(http://www.leluthdore.com;>[13]www.leluthdore.com), I thought that maybe Thomann has made a special deal with LLD (Thomann is the biggest reseller of music instruments in the world, and, because of that, they would have lower selling prices)? Today once again I went to Thomann seeking these lutes, but it seems that they are gone? I can't find them either by searching or from my bookmarked links: 1) Thomann Cantarella Renaissance Lute 7C (https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_l ute_13.htm">[15]https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaiss ance_lute_13.htm) 2) Thomann Cantarella Renaissance Lute 8C (https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_l ute_15.htm">[17]https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaiss ance_lute_15.htm) 3) Thomann Cantarella Baroque Lute 13C (https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lute_ 13c.htm">[19]https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lu te_13c.htm) Some questions for you guys: Did anyone buy one of these Lutes? Has anyone contacted Thomann and asked if they are indeed the same lutes built and sold by LLD? or if they have any sort of arrangement? For anyone who bought it: do you have any idea if those are similar in terms of quality to a proper LLD? One of the pictures is in czech because I often click around other countries in order to see from where, hypothetically, could I buy the cheapest. Kind Regards,Bruno Rucy --f251d90591f45748-- -- To get on or off this list see list information at [20]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [21]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [22]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:brur...@gmail.com 2. http://www.thomann.de/ 3. http://www.leluthdore.com/ 4. http://www.leluthdore.com/ 5. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_13.htm 6. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_15.htm 7. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lute_13c.htm 8. http://www.thomann.de/ 9. http://www.thomann.de/ 10. http://www.leluthdore.com/ 11. http://www.leluthdore.com/ 12. http://www.leluthdore.com/ 13. http://www.leluthdore.com/ 14. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_13.htm 15. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_13.htm 16. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_15.htm 17. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_15.htm 18. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lute_13c.htm 19. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lute_13c.htm 20. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 21. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 22. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Lute + recorder
LPM had a series with written out tab parts for lute. But basically, anything polyphonic goes if you can read from the score or are willing to make your own parts from the score. It's a century or more of music up for grabs! David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:03, Leonard Williams <[3]arc...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: I'm seeking sources for music with renaissance lute accompanying recorder. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks and regards, Leonard Williams -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:arc...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
Thomas is getting all the gigs at the moment, and rightly so, despite his non-hip choices. So what's your point? David - not fighting anyone in this exchange, just observing players and audiences making their own choices, neither based on anything the hip-police is describing as âcurrently correct'. On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 at 22:20, Christopher Wilke <[1]chriswi...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Well, the performer may do as he likes in regard to technique and choice of instrument and its setup. No matter how well researched, our relationship with the performance of music from the past will always be partially speculative. At any rate, we're all artists working in the 21st century and I believe the degree to which the performer chooses to engage with what is understood about performance practice of the past is just another facet of that person's total aesthetic presentation. As for Thomas, he's clearly very talented and I can enjoy his playing. Having said that, the hugely arbitrary way in which HIPness is used as a critical litmus test for career success annoys me to no end. Some performers are granted favored status and can do no wrong. Meanwhile, other equally fantastic players are lambasted and marginalized for unpopular choices that are perfectly justifiable - sometimes even mandated - in period sources. To put it another way: the same handful of folks keep getting all the gigs because people who know better keep hiring them. That's not cool. I think there's room for a variety of approaches, but that's not what we get. Chris [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, August 3, 2019, 2:22 PM, Fischer BE (Aon) <[2]fischer...@aon.at> wrote: My comment sounds like this: Unfortunately, this performance is on a "lute-shape instrument" but by far not on a baroque lute. Apparently the young musician misses the idea and ideal of baroque lute sound and technique. He treats the instrument like a guitar. The type of string material is by far not authentic to what has been used in Bach's time. I am sorry, he should continue studying the guitar and not misinterpreting lute music. E.B. -Ursprà ¼ngliche Nachricht- Von: [2][3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Hermann Kelber Gesendet: Samstag, 03. August 2019 01:07 An: [4][5]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [5][6]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] thumb in or out??? [1][6][7]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 observe his right hand>>>>>> can't wait for the conversation ???!!!l let's see what all he lute experts have to say By the way he gave a concert in Berkeley several month ago enjoy Hermann -- References 1. [7][8]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 To get on or off this list see list information at [8][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [10]https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS 2. mailto:[11]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:[12]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:[13]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:[14]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. [15]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 7. [16]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 8. [17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- ******* David van Ooijen [18]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [19]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:chriswi...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:fischer...@aon.at 3. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 8. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS 11. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 12. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 13. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 14. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 15. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 16. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 17. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 18. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 19. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
Single-strung archlute tuned in g'. a' = 415Hz Poor rose. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 at 20:24, Fischer BE (Aon) <[3]fischer...@aon.at> wrote: My comment sounds like this: Unfortunately, this performance is on a "lute-shape instrument" but by far not on a baroque lute. Apparently the young musician misses the idea and ideal of baroque lute sound and technique. He treats the instrument like a guitar. The type of string material is by far not authentic to what has been used in Bach's time. I am sorry, he should continue studying the guitar and not misinterpreting lute music. E.B. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Hermann Kelber Gesendet: Samstag, 03. August 2019 01:07 An: [6]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [7]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] thumb in or out??? [1][8]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 observe his right hand>>>>>> can't wait for the conversation ???!!!l let's see what all he lute experts have to say By the way he gave aconcert in Berkeley several month ago enjoy Hermann -- References 1. [9]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 To get on or off this list see list information at [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:fischer...@aon.at 4. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 9. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: M. H. L.
I have that facsimile. MLH is identified in the index as Moritz
Landgraf zu Hesse.
David
On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 11:39, Joachim Lüdtke
<[1]jo.lued...@t-online.de> wrote:
Kassel, Murhard'sche Bibliothek und Landesibibliothek, 4 ° Ms.
Mus. 108.1, the lute book of princess Elisabeth of Hassia, comes to
mind. Facsimile edited by Axel Halle. There is a Ph.D. on the
manuscript by Claudia Knispel.
Best
Joachim
-Original-Nachricht-
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: M. H. L.
Datum: 2019-07-29T11:19:51+0200
Von: "Yuval Dvoran" <[2]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
An: "Tristan" <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, "lute"
<[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
I never met him before, unfortunately. Is there any edition of his
works or an important manuscript with his works?Am 29.07.2019 10:58
schrieb Tristan von Neumann <[5]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:
>
> Moritz composed a bunch of pieces, maybe it's an intabulation of
another
> one.
>
> You might want to check.
>
>
> On 29.07.19 10:48, Yuval Dvoran wrote:
> > No, unfortunately it's not the Pavan from Variety of Lute
Lessons :-(Am 29.07.2019 10:36 schrieb Tristan von Neumann
<[6]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:
> >> Moritz, Hessen's Landgrave?
> >>
> >>
> >> Check if there's concordance with the Pavan in A Varietie of
Lute Lessons.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 29.07.19 10:32, Yuval Dvoran wrote:
> >>> Good morning,
> >>>
> >>> In a manuscript from around 1600 on which I'm currently doing
some research there is a Pavana with a note "M. H. L.". Any ideas
which composer / lutenist this could be?
> >>> The manuscript comes from the region of German/Netherland.
> >>>
> >>> Very curious, if anybody has to offer an solution! :-)
> >>>
> >>> Yuval
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>
>
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[LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament)
These numbers are not âmy preferences', I prefer ears over numbers, but
these numbers are basic mathematics. You can't argue with mathematics.
David
On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 18:53, Martyn Hodgson
<[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Thank you: it will be interesting to compare your preferences
for fret positioning to those advocated by others - should they
ever appear..
MH
On Friday, 26 July 2019, 17:42:19 BST, David van Ooijen
<[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Somebody wants numbers? In the link below are some numbers.
But using your ears is a better idea than blindly (deafly?) following
(mine or other people's) numbers. Get the major third you like
(harmonic f-a on 4th course for a pure major third, or a something
slightly less extreme if you so wish) and then tune octaves and shift
your frets around: 1st fret up for the flats or down for the sharps
(I
have my continuo archlute 1st fret up for the flats, with a tastini
on
5, 6 and 7 for the sharps, I avoid the g# on first course - or try to
avoid it anyway), 2nd fret down, 3rd fret up, 4th fret down, 5th only
slightly up, 6th and 7th fret down again. Tune, adjust, fiddle around
until you're happy with it.
But someone was asking for numbers in stead of real life luting. Here
are my numbers:
[1][3]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lu
te/
David
On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 18:19, [2][4]s.wa...@ntlworld.com
<[3][5]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
You use your ears to move the frets? Wouldn't using your
fingers
be
easier?
Sent from my Huawei phone
Original Message
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament)
From: howard posner
To: "[4][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu list"
CC:
You might want to reread the part about using your ears.
"Precise
fret positions" is an irrelevant concept if you tune by
actually
listening; that's why your repeated demands for numbers are
going
unanswered.
> On Jul 26, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Martyn Hodgson
<[5][7]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> Thank you Stephan,
> Would you kindly share what precise fret positions
result
when
you set
> the
> 'fifth fret so high that you can still enjoy and work
your way
> through.'
> MH
>
> On Friday, 26 July 2019, 13:17:31 BST, Stephan Olbertz
> <[6][8]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote:
> You wouldn't even need a tuner. Just set a fifth fret
so
high
that you
> can
> still enjoy and work your way through all the other
frets
and
open
> courses
> by means of comparing octaves and unisons.
> Use strings that are neither too old nor too new. And
be
sure to
tune
> to a
> fourth based tuning.
> Regards
> Stephan
>
> Im Auftrag
> von Roland Hayes
> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 13:36
> An: Martyn Hodgson; [3][7][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu;
Steve
Ramey
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament)
> Or you could get a meantone tuner and use your ears
and
not a
> measuring
> tape
> Get [1]Outlook for Android
>
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[LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament)
Somebody wants numbers? In the link below are some numbers. But using your ears is a better idea than blindly (deafly?) following (mine or other people's) numbers. Get the major third you like (harmonic f-a on 4th course for a pure major third, or a something slightly less extreme if you so wish) and then tune octaves and shift your frets around: 1st fret up for the flats or down for the sharps (I have my continuo archlute 1st fret up for the flats, with a tastini on 5, 6 and 7 for the sharps, I avoid the g# on first course - or try to avoid it anyway), 2nd fret down, 3rd fret up, 4th fret down, 5th only slightly up, 6th and 7th fret down again. Tune, adjust, fiddle around until you're happy with it. But someone was asking for numbers in stead of real life luting. Here are my numbers: [1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lute/ David On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 18:19, [2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com <[3]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> wrote: You use your ears to move the frets? Wouldn't using your fingers be easier? Sent from my Huawei phone Original Message Subject: [LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament) From: howard posner To: "[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu list" CC: You might want to reread the part about using your ears. "Precise fret positions" is an irrelevant concept if you tune by actually listening; that's why your repeated demands for numbers are going unanswered. > On Jul 26, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Martyn Hodgson <[5]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > >Thank you Stephan, >Would you kindly share what precise fret positions result when you set >the > 'fifth fret so high that you can still enjoy and work your way >through.' >MH > >On Friday, 26 July 2019, 13:17:31 BST, Stephan Olbertz ><[6]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote: >You wouldn't even need a tuner. Just set a fifth fret so high that you >can >still enjoy and work your way through all the other frets and open >courses >by means of comparing octaves and unisons. >Use strings that are neither too old nor too new. And be sure to tune >to a >fourth based tuning. >Regards >Stephan > >Im Auftrag >von Roland Hayes >Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 13:36 >An: Martyn Hodgson; [3][7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Steve Ramey >Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament) > Or you could get a meantone tuner and use your ears and not a >measuring > tape > Get [1]Outlook for Android > __ To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [9]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [10]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lute/ 2. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 3. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:stephan.olbe...@web.de 7. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 10. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments
My point was they were played in consort with lutes, which has consequences for the temperament of the lutes. Same is true for the wind and keyboard instruments in l'Orfeo or the Maria Vespers. Lutes are not solo instruments only, when they go out in the world and meet their fellow instruments, they'll have to adapt. Or play out of tune/temperament. David On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 at 21:34, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote: David, citterns are strung with wire, which introduces alternative temperament issues and places them more in the class of a keyboard instrument. RA __ From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of David van Ooijen <[4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 2:47 PM Cc: [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments Fixed fretted instrument had some sort of MT. Citerns with an approximation 1/6 comma MT come to mind. That's not a modern interpretation or an awkward stretch. > > on. There survive some historical discussions of lute fretting but the > language is unclear or otherwise flawed. A sideways application of > modern interpretations of keyboard temperaments to the lute and fretted > viol is a bit of an awkward stretch. -- *********** David van Ooijen [1][7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][8]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. [9]mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [10]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Virus-free. [12]www.avast.com -- *********** David van Ooijen [13]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [14]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References Visible links: 1. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 8. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 9. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 10. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 12. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link 13. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 14. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ Hidden links: 16. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon 17. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L21479-7619TMP.html#m_6327439462815053038_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments
Citterns play in broken consort with lutes. Been there, done that. Temperament, not to mention tuning, certainly is an issue. It's nice for members to speak out on subjects, it's even better when they do so on subjects they have some experience with. David On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 at 20:04, <[1]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote: Citterns play in only 2 keys, and hardly ever with other instruments. so it is not a problem there. RT [2]http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. > On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:47 AM, David van Ooijen <[3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Fixed fretted instrument had some sort of MT. Citerns with an >approximation 1/6 comma MT come to mind. That's not a modern >interpretation or an awkward stretch. > >> >>on.There survive some historical discussions of lute > fretting but the >>language is unclear or otherwise flawed.A sideways > application of >>modern interpretations of keyboard temperaments to the lute and > fretted >>viol is a bit of an awkward stretch. > > -- > >*** >David van Ooijen >[1][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com >[2][5]www.davidvanooijen.nl >*** > >-- > > References > >1. mailto:[6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com >2. [7]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [9]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [10]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. http://turovsky.org/ 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 6. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 7. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 10. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments
Fixed fretted instrument had some sort of MT. Citerns with an approximation 1/6 comma MT come to mind. That's not a modern interpretation or an awkward stretch. > >on. There survive some historical discussions of lute fretting but the >language is unclear or otherwise flawed. A sideways application of >modern interpretations of keyboard temperaments to the lute and fretted >viol is a bit of an awkward stretch. -- ******* David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Re:
er rather than simple personal
>>> assertion. To repeat: you are making the common mistake of
>> discussing
>>> theoretical temperaments (mainly, in practice, only employable
on
>>> keyboard instruments) with practical temperaments appropriate
for
>>> fretted instruments such as the lute.
>>> Whether or not some modern players might adopt this manner
>> ('meantone')
>>> of fretting is not, of course, the point - perhaps they might
>>> themselves engage in a degree of wishful thinking. Certainly,
>> modern
>>> fashions come and go as fast as fads, and in other areas of lute
>>> performance practice some modern players (even a few
professionals
>> who
>>> might be expected to know better) still insist on, for example,
>>> employing thumb-under for repertoire other than the sixteenth
>> century.
>>> In short, such anecdotal reports, even from 'professionals, are
not
>>> reliable evidence of historic practice.
>>> regards
>>> MH
>>>
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[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
You'd be surprised, some devices only have auto gain ... David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 20:35, Ralf Mattes <[3]r...@mh-freiburg.de> wrote: Am Freitag, 17. Mai 2019 20:26 CEST, David van Ooijen <[4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> schrieb: > The best thing in both units is that you can override the auto gain > (don't even know if the bigger unit has auto gain, the bane of dynamic > playing). Yeah, you would never want to use auto-gain ;-) Cheers, RalfD -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:r...@mh-freiburg.de 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
I own a portable Marantz with decent on-board mics that does the job. I also own a slightly bigger Marantz (still portable) with on board mics but that I connect proper mic to and use as my studios recording device. Very, quiet mic preamps. Happy with both. The best thing in both units is that you can override the auto gain (don't even know if the bigger unit has auto gain, the bane of dynamic playing). David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 20:16, Matthew Daillie <[3]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: I have a Tascam DR-1 and it has given me years of loyal service. It gives a very clean, natural sound, has good build quality and the original battery still provides outstanding autonomy. This model has obviously been superseded but there are several others on offer. Try to see one in the flesh before purchase to check on the robustness of the models of the present range. Tascam have been in business for years, notably providing equipment to professional recording studios and radio stations but I suspect the cheaper models cut corners on solidity. Best, Matthew Le 17 mai 2019 à 17:29, Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> a écrit : > Dear collective experience, > > > while we're at it: > I finally have some small budget to buy a recording device. > > > What I want: > * use it at home to record lute music and other instruments > > (* use it as a usb mic) > > * take it with me and record in the park or pub or wherever a session > might come along > > * I have linux, so at least it should be possible to extract the files > without removing the SD card > > > So far, the Zoom H2n seems like the best option. Some people say the > noise is quite high, others don't. > > (Samples from youtube with guitar seem ok, but not really sparkling - I > know, this is not a replacement big membrane studio mic, but still...) > > In Germany, the Zoom is available for around 150 Eurobucks. > > > What are the alternatives? (and keep in mind that it should be available > in Germany...) > > > Thanks! > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Slidely amplifying al lute?
I use either a mic (Dpa mini) or a stick-on mic (Schertler) in an acoustic amplifier (aer). David On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 13:14, Jörg Hilbert <[1]hilbert.jo...@t-online.de> wrote: Dear all, any suggestions how to amplify a lute a tiny little bit without using a pickup? Microphone? Amplifier? I once saw Miguel Sedoura sitting on some kind of amplifier to support his solo recital in a bigger hall. Something like that � Thanks, Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:hilbert.jo...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Question on strumming madrigals.
On (un-)playable intabulations: [1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/terzis-intabulations/ David *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 15:58, Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: Also, I have enough to work on the fingering itself - and I still haven't found out how to play the sometimes occurring 5 notes on 4 different frets... -- References 1. https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/terzis-intabulations/ 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Elder gut, anybody tried them out?
Gut strings from India. New to me. Anybody has experience with them? [1]http://www.eldergut.com/plain-gut-strings.php David *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. http://www.eldergut.com/plain-gut-strings.php 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan et Saint-Saëns
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[LUTE] Lute teacher in Sheffield?
Former lute student of mine will be moving to Sheffield in December. Any recommendations for a teacher there? David -- *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: La mia palli-da faccia - Frescobaldi
Never mind, I already cooked up a continuo version with Finale that
will get me through. I'll leave the fixing of the text underlay (and
correct text to begin with) to the singer.
Another 23 pieces to go.
David - I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they
go by.
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Does anyone have a score (or part books) of above madrigal for
me? I
have to play it tonight, and was given some transcription (for
soprano
and 2 lutes) that is riddled with mistakes. It comes from
Frescobaldi's
second book of madrigals. Imslp doesn't have the facsimile.
David - hopeful
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[LUTE] La mia palli-da faccia - Frescobaldi
Does anyone have a score (or part books) of above madrigal for me? I have to play it tonight, and was given some transcription (for soprano and 2 lutes) that is riddled with mistakes. It comes from Frescobaldi's second book of madrigals. Imslp doesn't have the facsimile. David - hopeful *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The awful English language
ant to tell me that Telemann had to be identical triplets, I'm with you, but "Shakespeare couldn't have found the time" won't hold water. To get on or off this list see list information at [4][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. [11]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6985917.stm 2. [12]https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2012/may/01/shakespeare-had-he lp-thomas-middleton 3. [13]https://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/24/theater/l-shakespeare-by-comm ittee-721050.html 4. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [15]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [16]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com 3. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6985917.stm 4. https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2012/may/01/shakespeare-had-help-t 5. https://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/24/theater/l-shakespeare-by-committe 6. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 9. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 11. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6985917.stm 12. https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2012/may/01/shakespeare-had-help-thomas-middleton 13. https://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/24/theater/l-shakespeare-by-committee-721050.html 14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 15. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 16. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: What 'last changes' can you demand to a lute maker when receiving you new instrument
Some luthiers are happy to do the final setup (nut, bridge, bridge, frets, action) with you in their workshop. If you have time to spend some hours together, this can be very helpful in getting an instrument that is easier to play for you. My local guitar maker invites me in every once in a while during the making, to test things like neck thickness and profile. But that's a rare luxury, as he lives within walking distance. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 at 09:35, Matthew Daillie <[3]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: Oh, and I could have mentioned changes to frets and solving minor buzzes (which could also involve working on the fingerboard). > On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:48, Jurgen Frenz <[4]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote: > >Hi there, > >I often read when players comment on their new instrument that they are >very happy with it after demanding a few adjustments. I'm totally >ignorant as to what changes one could possibly request - the instrument >is done, so what can the luthier still do? > >I'd be glad to find out what changes you asked for in the past, or what >you think is still possible to do. > >Thanks a lot! > >Best regards > >Jurgen > >-- >"There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen." > >JalÃl ad-Dà «n Muhammad Rumi > To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 4. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Play-along Queen's Treble
I made a video for one of my on-line pupils. It might be of use to others too. [1]https://youtu.be/ttppkiqGdjU Steady and not too fast tempo. Adjust stereo image to hear (mostly) ground or treble. Tablature on screen. Fingers on screen (courtesy of my righty twin brother). Link to sheet music in the description. David *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. https://youtu.be/ttppkiqGdjU 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: chord names
Music, like grammar, is descriptive rather than prescriptive. That
doesn't make it less relevant.
David
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 at 21:36, Leonard Williams <[1]arc...@verizon.net>
wrote:
I have often wondered if the rules of music, like many of
those for
Italian grammar, came after the fact, based on common usage that
sounds
good.
Leonard
-Original Message-
From: Tristan von Neumann <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
To: lutelist Net <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Thu, Jul 26, 2018 2:44 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: chord names
Musicians and Music Theorists are rarely one and the same person
:)
It is not necessary to name or classify anything while making
music -
Music Theory is mostly after the fact.
Theory is taught, but novelties appear regardless - see
Monteverdi and
Artusi.
Am 26.07.2018 um 19:11 schrieb Leonard Williams:
> How would musicians like Dowland or Johnson have named their
> chords? Were they thinking in chord progressions, modalities,
> incidental chords arising in polyphonic cadences? I guess this
is a
> question of music theory evolution.
> Leonard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leonard Williams <[1][4]arc...@verizon.net>
> To: lute <[2][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2018 8:54 am
> Subject: [LUTE] chord names
> As chordal music (as opposed to polyphonic) became more
prevalent,
> and many modes became history, how were chords named? G maj, A
min,
> ...? Tonic, dominant, etc? When did this start?
> Just curious.
> Regards,
> Leonard Williams
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[LUTE] Re: Savarez Strings
Pupil gave me a package of Savarez Alliance Corum. Corum is about the bass strings. These are silver plated, round wound, more flexible strings. The package says they are polished. Anyway, they're not jazz flatwounds, so they're squeaky. And for the early music police out there, the package also says Savarez is in business since 1770, so we're talking historical strings here. On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 at 00:02, corun <[1]co...@medievalist.org> wrote: Dear All, I am looking on line at a new set of strings for my classical guitar, in particular the Savarez New Cristal Corum strings. I looked at all the information available but nothing tells me if the bass strings are flat wound or wire wound, only that they are silver plate. Do any of you know? I would prefer flat wound as I'm trying to be rid of that squeak as my fingers slide over the wire wound basses. Thank you. Regards, Craig Allen -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:co...@medievalist.org 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: original sound with original pitch
I think the Complete Correlli Sonatas CD box I'm in is at 392Hz. I remeber playing an archlute with very sloppy strings on those recordings (and I remember sore fingers from tile fitting, we were moving house that Summer and was called in last minute - sore fingers and all - for a few days of recording). David On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 at 23:14, Dieter Schmidt <[1]dieter.schmidt...@gmx.net> wrote: I just heard a concert with Corelli Sonatas. I was surprised that in the continuo group there was a lute player with a (swanneck) baroque lute. When the concert was finished I went to ask him. That ist what he told me: He takes the baroque lute because of the pitch (415 Hz ) they are playing. With this high pitch he doesn't like the sound of an archlute. For that reason he plays his part on a baroque lute.The original Corelli musicians were using a pitch 2 halftones lower. Now I am wondering if it wasn't better to play the sonatas in the original pitch to hear the intended sound. Many thanks for helping in my considerations Dieter To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:dieter.schmidt...@gmx.net 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Why Bach needed to see Buxtehude
I stand corrected, Roman, thank you for that, and my apologies to Tristan for assuming he did this. Actually, it's an auto-generated channel (?!) by YouTube. The videos themselves are not available to me (copyright issues for my country, I suppose, LOL), but if you say the original uploads are from the distributor/publisher, so be it. No use fighting the big Brothers of this world. Again, my apologies to Tristan, and thank you to Roman for pointing out to me my knee-jerk reaction was off. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 at 17:55, Roman Turovsky <[3]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote: The Channel in question is set up by your own distributor, so you'd have to sue him/her directly!)) RT On 6/29/2018 11:35 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: > > > > If You like some examples, listen to David van Ooijen and Michiel > > Niessen's Terzi album > > [1][4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4DWm24ah0 > > I think to use my name for a YouTube channel and to upload tracks from > commercially available CDs, without een asking, is a violation of > copyright, and certainly downright impolite. The latter is worse, > obviously, so please remove both my name from the YouTube channel and > the CD-track from YouTube. > David > > -- > > References > > 1. [5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4DWm24ah0 > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4DWm24ah0 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4DWm24ah0 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Why Bach needed to see Buxtehude
> > If You like some examples, listen to David van Ooijen and Michiel > Niessen's Terzi album > [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4DWm24ah0 I think to use my name for a YouTube channel and to upload tracks from commercially available CDs, without een asking, is a violation of copyright, and certainly downright impolite. The latter is worse, obviously, so please remove both my name from the YouTube channel and the CD-track from YouTube. David -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4DWm24ah0 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: dying strings
Bit of pencil on the low C on my archlutes, near the bridge. Friend if mine uses a tiny strip of scotch tape, so she can feel where she is. Koto players use red pencil to mark the position of their moveable frets. David On Wed, 30 May 2018 at 17:33, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier <[1]fournier...@gmail.com> wrote: I have occasionally coloured my strings with permanent marker ( Sharpie) it lasts quite a long time.. Bruno 2018-05-30 10:36 GMT-04:00 Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche <[1][2]mperu...@aquilacorde.com>: Things are not that easy. Ed is right, however it is possible to dye the string just after polishing, and this iswhat the stringmakers that make harp strings usually do. This is done using adouble component coloured varnish and using a sponge. Of course, in this case you obtain a varnished string. It is possible to do the same job on a unvarnished gut string it using an alcool soluble pigment and a few of cotton. Then put on the string a bit of almond oil when the string is well dried Ciao Mimmo -Messaggio originale- Da: [2][3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3][4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Per conto di Gamut Music Inviato: mercoledà ¬ 30 maggio 2018 16:28 A: Ed Durbrow <[4][5]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> Cc: lute list <[5][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: dying strings Hi Ed, At Gamut strings, we sometimes dye them, but we do this when the gut is wet, before the string is twisted and constructed. After the string is twisted, dry and ready to be used, we do not color our strings because we would have to soak them to make them wet again, and this would probably destroy the string, we do not know. We would be interested to know if anyone knows how to successfully dye a gut string already constructed. Best, Ed Martin Gamut Music Customer Support On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Ed Durbrow <[1][6][7]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> wrote: Has anyone found a way that worked for them to dye gut strings? I have used a magic marker but it wears off. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2][7][8]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [3][8][9]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow [4][9][10]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at [5][10][11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[11][12]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 2. [12][13]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 3. [13][14]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 4. [14][15]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 5. [15][16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[17]mperu...@aquilacorde.com 2. mailto:[18]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:[19]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:[20]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 5. mailto:[21]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:[22]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 7. [23]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 8. [24]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 9. [25]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 10. [26]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 11. mailto:[27]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 12. [28]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 13. [29]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 14. [30]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 15. [31]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- ******* David van Ooijen [32]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [33]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:fournier...@gmail.com 2. mailto:mperu...@aquilacorde.com 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 8. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 9. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 10. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 12. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 13. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 14. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 15. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 16. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 17.
[LUTE] Re: lute tuning
If you want to understand and/or try MT (1/4 or 1/6/ comma) on your Renaissance lute, here is a small DIY I wote some years ago: [1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lute/ I did something similar for Pythagorean tuning (pure fifths, good for Medieval music) too. It somehow is only visible on my old website: [2]http://home.kpn.nl/ooije006/david/writings/pythagoras_f.html David *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Mon, 14 May 2018 at 22:38, Tristan von Neumann <[5]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: Thanks Martin, this is really one of the most concise tuning explanations I have read to date! As for lute fretting: In Lüdtke/Schlegel's book it is shown why there are problems with different tunings on the lute, resulting in offset frets on different courses. What I have seen lutists do is make the frets queer so they are a mean of the offset positions desired. I don't know what the result is, as I have never consciously seen/heard someone play with queer frets in close up, and I haven't tried yet because I'm happy that my frets are staying in place just now and that I got used to these positions. For which cases would this solution be advised? What are the disadvantages? Am 14.05.2018 um 21:12 schrieb Martin Shepherd: > Hi All, > > Without wishing to prolong a kind of flame war on ET versus everything > else, having written the following by way of explanation to someone it > occurred to me that it might be useful for others (I've noticed that > some people seem to assume that the fifths and even thirds are perfect > in ET, for example): > > If you were to imagine a keyboard instrument, and you start on C, and > tune a pure 5th to the G above. Then you tune that G to the D above, > also a perfect 5th. Then the D to the A above, and so on. (In practice, > you run out of octaves so you have to tune up a 5th, down an octave, up > a 5th, and so on.) Eventually you arrive at B#, which should be the > same as the C you started off with, but it isn't. It's horribly sharp. > > That is the basis of temperaments. If you tune all those 5ths just a > little bit flat (i.e. "temper" them), you will indeed end up at the C > you started off with, and the B# will indeed be the same as C. That is > called equal temperament (ET), where each 5th is 2 cents flat and every > semitone is the same size - so C# to D is the same distance as D to Eb. > This is the tuning system in universal use in modern times, and is the > basis for all piano tuning and setting of fret distances on guitars. > This kind of tuning was known (theoretically) in medieval times, but was > not used for various reasons, most of which involved the "impurity" of > various intervals. In the renaissance, major thirds assumed a new > importance and so temperaments tended to favour them over other intervals. > > Of course keyboard instruments (and to some extent lutes and viols) > always had this problem of trying to reconcile irreconcilable ratios, > but singers and players of wind instruments were able to "cheat" by > changing some of their intervals but not others - whereas someone tuning > a keyboard instrument (then as now) would have to make definite choices > about how to "temper" the intervals. In the renaissance, music was > played at a wide variety of pitches (in the absolute sense, there was no > such thing as a'=440) but in a very limited variety of "keys" as we > would call them. Of course they had no notion of "key" in the modern > sense and their understanding was in terms of hexachords and modes. So > if you were tuning a keyboard you could tune all the usual thirds pure > (C to E, F to A, G to B, and so on) because intervals like C# to E# > simply didn't exist. If you tune these important major thirds pure you > end up with a tuning in which the 5ths are quite narrow. Tuning C-G, > G-D, D-A, A-E you should end up with an E which is a pure major third > above the C you started with. This is called "1/4 comma meantone" > temperament, and it was probably the most common kind of tuning of > keyboard instruments for at least 1500-1600, and well beyond. T
[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES
You beat me to it. I was going to comment on the rarity of the words 'cittern', 'tuning' and 'comfort' in one paragraph. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Sun, 13 May 2018 at 23:08, howard posner <[3]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: > On May 13, 2018, at 5:19 AM, [4]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: > > There is plenty of surviving evidence of every perversion, but that doesn't imply any aesthetic value thereof. "Perversion" means deviation from normal practice. Unequal fretting of citterns and bandoras appears to have been universal. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 13, 2018, at 7:00 AM, jslute <[5]jsl...@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >>What should we make of the indisputable evidence of unequal >> temperament on fixed-fret citterns? There are many surviving examples, >> and virtually all are in unequal temperament. Modern reproductions with >> equal temperament only play in tune in G major (I once owned one). And >> citterns were frequently played in comforts with lutes. "Comforts"! Isn't autocorrect wonderful? To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 4. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 5. mailto:jsl...@verizon.net 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Missing link?
Food for thought, thank you for those quotes. I always explain MT to my pupils with a piece of paper and a pencil, then let them use their ears to position their frets, and finally explain about easy way out with the computer/tuner options. Out there with keyboard players I rely on a tuner, but many of my fretted colleages (viols, violones and lutes/theorbos) still sit with their instrument behind the keyboard, adjusting fret by fret to ear. It is indeed a fact of modern day early music life that we cannot survive without knowing how to set some sort of non ET on our continuo lutes. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Sun, 13 May 2018 at 16:40, Ron Andrico <[3]praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote: Things are a bit weird with the formatting of this thread. Without links, the reference to Otterstedt's review of Dolata's book is: Annette Otterstedt, "Fretting about tuning", Early Music, volume 45, number 4, November, 2017, p. 676. A few short choice quotes: "But in advocating a system that leans heavily on electronic crutches, Dolata devises something that probably never existed, because people at a time when even simple arithmetics were difficult could hardly have made such calculations. It does not make sense to translate the vague remarks by for example Gerle, Ganassi or Dowland into concrete figures..." "The explanation for Dolata's view âthat many of today's finest players of fretted instruments arrange their frets in meantone temperaments whenever possible is indisputable' (p.9) is simple: fashion. Not moving with the tide can wreck a career, for the pressure to conform in âearly music' is great. Fishing in the troubled waters of musical temperament has become âcool' with computers enabling the user to dabble without a thought of how temperaments splitting the comma unevenly could have been put into practice in former times. It is no coincidence that this discussion began among lutenists at the same time as the first computer programmes emerged." RA -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: another lute nativity - 6 courses in 1475?
Imagine lutenist in some distant future looking the hands of the luth dorée models for clues on early 21st century playing technique. *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 22:06, howard posner <[3]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: > On Apr 30, 2018, at 12:16 PM, John Mardinly <[4]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote: > > The left lute does not seem to have any pegs and neither appears to >have a bridge, yet both lutenists look like they are trying to stop the >lowest course with their thumbs. Neither lute appears to have strings. The artist was not interested in showing the finer points of lute building or playing. Unless you're looking at a portrait of a musician (who, as Arthur points out, would want to be shown playing properly), you can't read too much into the hand positions in paintings. In other paintings, like Nativity scenes, the models may not have been players. A model who has to hold an instrument for a long time will hold it in the most comfortable way he can. And an artist may have something other than photographic accuracy in mind. I'm sure, for example that when he created the Isenheim alterpiece Grunewald knew that he was painting instruments not found in nature: [5]https://www.wga.hu/support/viewer_m/z.html He was likely emphasizing the supernatural nature of the event. So looking at the hands of angels and supernumerary characters in paintings for answers to questions about real playing can be a fool's errand. To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 4. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu 5. https://www.wga.hu/support/viewer_m/z.html 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] looking for Luigi Rossi for 3 sopranos
For a Concerto della Donne I'm looking for arias for three sopranos, anything will do, but in particular for these two arias (the girls fell in love with these) by Luigi Rossi: Disperate speranze, addio, addio and Amanti, ardire o goder The Grove tells me the originals are in Bologna and Brussels. What a bother for now. Anyone has these (facsimile or modern score) available? David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Foliation in van Eyck's books - somewhat off topic
What I understood from the discussion is that recto and verso can be
ambiguous, as in scripts that read right to left the order is reversed
and scrolls open up yet another can of worms. So some scholars opt for
a and b instead. The use of a and b in Van Baak Grifiioen is clear when
you open a page in the facsimile: left is a, right is b.
David
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 at 17:31, David van Ooijen
<[3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently it's quite a discussion, mainly to do with mss that
are
written in scripts that don't read from left to right. I'm sure
Arthur
Ness has more to say on this.
David
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 at 17:24, Rainer
<[1][4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
wrote:
On 22.04.2018 16:05, David van Ooijen wrote:
> I have both the Van Eyck facsimile (Saul Groen) and Van
Baak
Griffioen
> in front of me. Van Baak Griffioen does not use recto
and
verso, but a
> and b, a being the left side of the open pages, b the
right
side. But
> you figured that out already.
No I haven't. This "system" is so idiotic - I can't believe it.
> There are academic wars raging on the
> pros and cons of either system.
I have never before seen this a/b "system".
Thanks a lot,
Rainer
PS
Now I am considering to use octal page numbers in my Vallet
edition
- for odd page numbers.
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[LUTE] Re: Foliation in van Eyck's books - somewhat off topic
Apparently it's quite a discussion, mainly to do with mss that are written in scripts that don't read from left to right. I'm sure Arthur Ness has more to say on this. David On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 at 17:24, Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: On 22.04.2018 16:05, David van Ooijen wrote: > I have both the Van Eyck facsimile (Saul Groen) and Van Baak Griffioen > in front of me. Van Baak Griffioen does not use recto and verso, but a > and b, a being the left side of the open pages, b the right side. But > you figured that out already. No I haven't. This "system" is so idiotic - I can't believe it. > There are academic wars raging on the > pros and cons of either system. I have never before seen this a/b "system". Thanks a lot, Rainer PS Now I am considering to use octal page numbers in my Vallet edition - for odd page numbers. To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Foliation in van Eyck's books - somewhat off topic
I have both the Van Eyck facsimile (Saul Groen) and Van Baak Griffioen
in front of me. Van Baak Griffioen does not use recto and verso, but a
and b, a being the left side of the open pages, b the right side. But
you figured that out already. There are academic wars raging on the
pros and cons of either system.
David
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 at 15:05, Rainer <[3]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
wrote:
Dear lute netters,
probably only interesting for hard-core concordance/cognate
collectors.
I have several digital hard copies of van Eyck prints.
The strange thing is that the folio numbers in van Baak Griffioen's
book always differ by 1 page ("half" a folio) from the facsimiles.
I have no explanation for this.
Any idea anybody?
Rainer
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[LUTE] Re: another technique video
_teach_ lute, not spelling. It has been one of those days ...
David
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Good thing I lute, not spelling.
David
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<[6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
For an on-line pupil who enjpys these kidn of things, i made a
littel
left -hand exercise video. Maybe it's of some help to some of
you(r
pupils) too:
[1][7]https://youtu.be/6Az28DlAtRc
David
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[LUTE] Re: another technique video
Good thing I lute, not spelling.
David
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For an on-line pupil who enjpys these kidn of things, i made a
littel
left -hand exercise video. Maybe it's of some help to some of
you(r
pupils) too:
[1][4]https://youtu.be/6Az28DlAtRc
David
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[LUTE] another technique video
For an on-line pupil who enjpys these kidn of things, i made a littel left -hand exercise video. Maybe it's of some help to some of you(r pupils) too: [1]https://youtu.be/6Az28DlAtRc David *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. https://youtu.be/6Az28DlAtRc 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Betrachte meine Seel
I always understood bwv198 to be for two mandora/collascione/gallicon/whateverthename/seeTelemann scores for a good name and comparable use, but the obligato parts in Matthew and John to be for b-lute. Makes sense when you look at the parts. David On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 at 21:22, Stephan Olbertz <[1]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote: Yes, so it should read "the part was [very probable] not conceived for archlute but rather [the baroque lute, or possibly even] the mandora [although we have no evidence for the mandora to be used as an obbligato instrument in Saxony]" Regards Stephan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Howard Posner Gesendet: Montag, 19. März 2018 20:39 Cc: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Betrachte meine Seel The only evidence available about Leipzig in the early 1700s is that the mandora/gallichon was the commonly used lute continuo instrument. Bach's predecessor as thomaschule cantor, johann kuhnau, asked the town council for money to buy a couple of them so he wouldn't have to keep borrowing them. Somebody, probably mr. Hodgson, has pointed out secondary sources that say the request was granted, though the sources on which they rely aren't clear on the point. Is anyone aware of evidence for archlutes in 18th-century Saxony? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 19, 2018, at 12:07, Stephan Olbertz <[5]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote: > > Ron, > > " the part was not conceived for >archlute but rather the mandora or one of its namesakes" > > Do you have any evidence for this? (As I am sure Martyn would ask...) > > Regards > Stephan > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im > Auftrag von Ron Andrico > Gesendet: Montag, 19. März 2018 19:15 > An: Eloy Cruz; [8]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Betrachte meine Seel > >Playing the bass along with Bach's figuration is a minor challenge but >it's entirely possible with a fingered F-sharp and E-natural. As I am >sure Martyn Hodgson will point out, the part was not conceived for >archlute but rather the mandora or one of its namesakes. I understand >that the Italian archlute as we know it was not likely to be present in >Bach's Germany. > >RA > __ > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [10]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [11]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:stephan.olbe...@web.de 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:stephan.olbe...@web.de 6. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. mailto:Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 11. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Betrachte meine Seel
I do play the bass line along, it's in the part after all. I used to do it on an archlute with F tuned to E (fingered), and E tuned to Eb (dispasson), but for many years now I have my archlutes with an E and Eb diapasson. Comes in handy for a lot of other continuo lines as well, not only in the St John. David On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 at 15:08, Eloy Cruz <[1]eloyc...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear list Whenever you play this arioso from Johannes Passion, do you play the bass line along with the obligato part? It's a little awkward as long as it includes both f and f # and e and e flat. Best regards eloy To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:eloyc...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Some questions
Has been done. There's a cd with satie on lute.
David
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 at 03:24, Dan Winheld <[1]dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote:
"Claude Debussy & Erik Satie - 4 Pieces for Lute"
Arranged and Intabulated by Jonathan Rubin
Tree-Edition, Munchen - Tablature Copied by Albert Reymann
Copyright 1986
On 3/15/2018 6:24 PM, Dan Winheld wrote:
> The publication that has the Debussy does, in fact, have a couple
of
> Satie's Gymnopedes..
> I'll post the details if I can find it. Apparently some of this
work
> has already been going on, if a bit under the radar.
> Dan
>
> On 3/15/2018 5:22 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
>> Let's collect some ideas what late 19th/20th century music to
play on
>> the lute :)
>>
>> I suppose many pieces of Erik Satie would sound great on the
lute.
>>
>> Ravel's "La Vallée des Cloches" is probably nice for Baroque
lute,
>> though you would need an expert to transcribe this adequately.
>> [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTmtjO6IKI
>>
>> This song deserves a lute version:
>> [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6UCcIvE18
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 16.03.2018 um 00:07 schrieb Dan Winheld:
>>> I TOTALLY support that- also, maybe the occasional transcription
of
>>> a post-l historical lute era piece? Obviously some guitar stuff,
but
>>> perhaps others. I have an archlute version of Debussy's "Lafille
aux
>>> cheveux de lin" made years ago, I forget which lutenist. I made
my
>>> own transcription of Piazzolla's "Triston". I'm sure there are a
few
>>> more worthy things that could fit on a page or two, now and
then...
>>>
>>> "Lutemags devote 1 page or half a page in their issue to
contemporary
>>> lute music and related topics ?"
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On 3/15/2018 3:38 PM, [4]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> That has been my argument for the last 20 years.
>>>> RT
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 15, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Ron
Andrico<[5]praelu...@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The very idea of not composing for the lute is an
anachronism.
>>>>>
>>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>>>> [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>>>
>>>
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2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTmtjO6IKI
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6UCcIvE18
4. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com
5. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com
6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
8. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Some questions
Could part of the answer be that you see/hear/know a limited set of lute players, a set that tends to gather in this forum, and don't see/hear the more broadly minded lute players in this world? Or perhaps does this forum tend to talk mostly about hipp lute playing, even though many of its members are more broadly oriented? I meet/see/talk/know many lute players who play a lot of other music besides the canon composed by our beloved and revered Old Ones. I don't think playing one kind of music excludes playing another kind of music, and I see many colleagues, professional and amateur, although perhaps more amongst the first than among the latter, who share my point of view. I think the lute playing world exhibits a wide variety of music styles that happily coexist. I play pop, jazz, contemporary, folk and early music on any of my instruments, lutes included, and I know many of my professional colleagues who do the same in their concerts, CD recordings and privately. It's even a kind of a current fashion, a gimmick or selling point: cross-over programmes. David On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 at 22:34, Gilbert Isbin <[1]gilbert.is...@gmail.com> wrote: Why is the lute world ruled by early music ? Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for the lute ? Why did guitarists, recorder players, cellists, pianists , oud players etc. took the challenge to play today's music and the lute world almost - with a very few exeptions - doesn't ? Why are luteplayers afraid to play something different ? Why do lutenists think the lute must be played with a very specific approach ? Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are trying to do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new approaches? What is the future for the lute music if it stays to be that dogmatic ? I guess Dowland and all the other wonderful lutes composers would have a good laugh with the today's lute world approach to the instrument. With kind regards, Met vriendelijke groeten, Bien cordialement, Gilbert Isbin [1][2]www.gilbertisbin.com [2][3]gilbert.is...@gmail.com -- References 1. [4]http://www.gilbertisbin.com/ 2. mailto:[5]gilbert.is...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [8]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:gilbert.is...@gmail.com 2. http://www.gilbertisbin.com/ 3. mailto:gilbert.is...@gmail.com 4. http://www.gilbertisbin.com/ 5. mailto:gilbert.is...@gmail.com 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 8. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Calligraphic wonder
Beautiful! *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 22 February 2018 at 17:05, Rainer <[3]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: Dear lute netters, this may be the best looking tablature manuscript that exists - at least in German tablature. [4]http://dlib.gnm.de/item/Hs21977 Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 4. http://dlib.gnm.de/item/Hs21977 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: John Dowland Fantasy 7 - Raga Bilawal.
I enjoyed both messages. David On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 at 21:41, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: Oops. My apologies for that last message, which I did not intend to send.It was in my Drafts folder, and I hit the send button instead of delete because I lack the attention span necessary for email. To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman
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> References
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>1. mailto:[18]wi...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>2. [19]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwMqBvBLJio
>3. mailto:[20]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
>4. mailto:[21]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
>5.
[22]https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/sweelinck-echo-fantas
ia-ex-a-raga-asawari
>6. [23]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenkerian_analysis
>7. [24]http://www.ElizabethanConversation.com/
>8. [25]http://www.ElizabethanConversation.com/
>9. [26]http://www.ElizabethanConversation.com/
> 10. mailto:[27]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
> 11. mailto:[28]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
> 12. mailto:[29]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
> 13. mailto:[30]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
> 14.
[31]https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/fantasy-xii-raga-yama
n
> 15. [32]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> [33]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com
3. mailto:wi...@cs.dartmouth.edu
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwMqBvBLJio
5. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
6. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
7. https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/sweelinck-echo-
8. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenkerian_analysis
9. http://www.ElizabethanConversation.com/
10. http://www.ElizabethanConversation.com/
11. http://www.ElizabethanConversation.com/
12. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
13. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
14. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
15. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
16. https://soundcloud.com/tristan
17. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~w
18. mailto:wi...@cs.dartmouth.edu
19. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwMqBvBLJio
20. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
21. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
22.
https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/sweelinck-echo-fantasia-ex-a-raga-asawari
23. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenkerian_analysis
24. http://www.ElizabethanConversation.com/
25. http://www.ElizabethanConversation.com/
26. http://www.ElizabethanConversation.com/
27. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
28. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
29. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
30. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
31. https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/fantasy-xii-raga-yaman
32. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
33. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
34. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
35. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy X is for Indian Voice and Archicembalo
William Hamilton Bird was a British cembalo player who lived and worked in India in the 18th century. He published a book with Hindustani Airs (Oriental Miscellany, 1789) set for cembalo. I arranged some of these pieces for lute and played these in India last November. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 6 February 2018 at 03:59, Tristan von Neumann <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: [4]https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/john-bull-fantasy -x-rag-bhairav-dut-khayal Listen to this and doubt me no more - you would look foolish. Why did they still have these weird archicembali around, where you can play microtones? duh! :) Now you know. To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 4. https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/john-bull-fantasy-x-rag-bhairav-dut-khayal 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: L'Espagnolle
I understand these as 'French' 1st and 2nd endings, where the second ending is written first, and the first ending written last. You find these a lot in French Baroque. Very confusing when sight reading chamber music, as there's always some poor soul getting lost (usually me, to the merriment of the others), espcially when these endings are combined with 'petite resprises'. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 21 January 2018 at 13:08, Rainer <[3]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: Dear lute netters, I wonder what Vallet's intention in "L'Espagnolle", page 80, Secret des Muses I was. It is not at all clear how interpret the double bar lines, the half notes at the end of both strains and the repeat sign. Obviously Andre Souris had no idea either - he reproduced the piece as it appears in the original. The scribe of the Kassel lute book (Monbuyssant? or Elisabeth?) 99v simply ignores the double bar lines and changes the first half note to a dotted half note. This is certainly plausible. He should have changed the second half note, too. Any ideas, anybody? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Vallet's quartets
But the psalm settings are beautiful! I play a lot of Vallet in my concerts, and the preludes and psalms from the Regia Pietas are among my - and I hope my audience's - favorites. David On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 at 18:34, Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: Why do you "reply to all"? On 13.01.2018 17:41, Ron Andrico wrote: > Rainer, if your object is to create a complete edition of Vallet's lute > works, of course you should include the quartets. I hope you're also > including all the psalm settings with variations from Regia Pietas as > well. no, I won't. I am not interested in psalm settings and I don't think anybody wants to see an edition with 700 pages. Anyway, that would take two more years. I am too sick for such a task. > > As I recall there aren't that many misprints in Vallet's quartets, and > passing dissonance in music for plucked strings was not written to be > judged by a standard created by 20th- and 21st-century musicologists. Well, have a look at duets from English sources. You won't find such errors in English duets - apart from false relations between a ground an a trebele. The duets by Robinson are a bit too polished, though :) > This is what I posted ten days ago: > > Dissonance in 16th- and 17th-century improvisational ensemble music was > the norm rather than the exception. This statement can be verified > simply by reading historical ensemble music with parts intabulated for > lutes. For instance, one's first reaction in reading through Besard's > lute duets (1603) and ensemble music (1617) is that he was a complete > hack and didn't know the first thing about composing. But the same > bountiful cross-relations and clashes can be found in duets published > by Phalese (1552) all the way up to the quartets published by Vallet > (1616). Sure, there were misprints and mistakes, but passing > dissonances were acceptable. Somebody said that the trios by Pacoloni were composed part by part ignoring the other parts. I believe the main problem with Vallet's quartets simply is that it is certainly very difficult to compose such music for 4 different lutes. Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Vallet's quartets
Part of the attraction of the Vallet Quartets is that you don't need four lutenists to have a good time. Neither do you have to play all the notes correctly; an overly sanitised version with all dissonances polished away will make for a lot less interesting music. And it's certainly not as bizarre as Besard. One should restrain oneself in the editing process, ideally leaving options open for every possible performance; after all, sometimes you need a little extra spice and at other times you will want it more blandly. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 13 January 2018 at 17:41, Ron Andrico <[3]praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote: Rainer, if your object is to create a complete edition of Vallet's lute works, of course you should include the quartets. I hope you're also including all the psalm settings with variations from Regia Pietas as well. As I recall there aren't that many misprints in Vallet's quartets, and passing dissonance in music for plucked strings was not written to be judged by a standard created by 20th- and 21st-century musicologists. This is what I posted ten days ago: Dissonance in 16th- and 17th-century improvisational ensemble music was the norm rather than the exception. This statement can be verified simply by reading historical ensemble music with parts intabulated for lutes. For instance, one's first reaction in reading through Besard's lute duets (1603) and ensemble music (1617) is that he was a complete hack and didn't know the first thing about composing. But the same bountiful cross-relations and clashes can be found in duets published by Phalese (1552) all the way up to the quartets published by Vallet (1616). Sure, there were misprints and mistakes, but passing dissonances were acceptable. If you're interested in a good performance of Vallet's quartets, the best I've heard was by the quartet Delight in Disorder, which can be found on Google/youtube. This wonderful ensemble of four lutenists makes the music come to life in a way I have not heard before or since. Most remarkable in their ensemble playing is the general absence of irritating rolled chords - when they roll a chord it's done by all and on purpose. RA __ From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Rainer <[6]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 3:42 PM To: Lute net Subject: [LUTE] Vallet's quartets Dear lute netters, my Vallet editions has reached milestone 1. All pieces entered and proofread numerous times. 70% of the critical notes entered (a nightmare). I wonder if it makes sense to add the quartets. As far as I know there was an edition published by Tree(?). Anyway, I have played Vallet quartets only once in my life in Mark Wheelers flat in Muelheim 20 years ago. The players were Mark (who seems to have disappeared), Stefan from Wuppertal, Kenneth Bee (still on the lute list?) and myselfe. Now I have listened to one of the quartets in Fronimo. It sounds VERY strange - lots of wrong notes. In his article about the quartets Stan Buetens argued that they sound OK when played on lutes. What do people say who have played the quartets? Should I include them in my edition? Rainer PS Playing music for 4 lutes was really fun :) To get on or off this list see list information at [1][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html [2]Lute Mail list technical information [8]www.cs.dartmouth.edu How do I get on the lute mail list? To get on the mail list, send email with a Subject: of "subscribe" to [9]lute-requ...@cs.dartmouth.edu and your name will be added to ... -- References 1. [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/ 9. mailto:lute-requ...@cs.dartmouth.edu 10.
[LUTE] left hand exercise
As said before, I'm not much into exercises on the lute, lifting wine glasses and turning pages is about as sporty as it goes for me, but I currently have an on-line pupil who likes to have some. I made her this, beneficial for left-hand posture, slurs, ornaments, keeping fingers close to the fingerboard, killing time and feeling good about doing workout without having to go to the gym: [1]https://youtu.be/ZulNNDwYK08 Ideally to be played in any key you can think of, singing along with the right note names, and in any rhythm you feel is today's rhythm. David *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. https://youtu.be/ZulNNDwYK08 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New music
On 22 December 2017 at 20:13, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> new music for the lute is not taught in conservatories << It was part of my conservatory training. David -- References 1. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New music
> scarcely >anyone plays it. Any thoughts on why this is? Are we >simply > not >interested in new music? >Peter >-- > To get on or off this list see list information at > > [2][4][12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- > References > 1. mailto:[5][13]peter.l...@gmail.com > 2. [6][14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >-- > > References > >1. [15]http://www.johnsonguitarstudio.com/ >2. mailto:[16]christophertstet...@gmail.com >3. mailto:[17]peter.l...@gmail.com >4. [18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >5. mailto:[19]peter.l...@gmail.com >6. [20]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- -- *** David van Ooijen [21]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [22]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc 6. https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/878859427?i=878859469 7. https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/878859427?i=878859469 8. mailto:tmrguitar...@gmail.com 9. http://www.johnsonguitarstudio.com/ 10. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 11. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 13. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com 14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 15. http://www.johnsonguitarstudio.com/ 16. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 17. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com 18. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 19. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com 20. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 21. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 22. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Tastini
Split bamboo skewers or bits of string/fret held in place with masking tape do the trick for me. On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 at 14:56, iMAP Jörg Hilbert <[1]hilbert.jo...@t-online.de> wrote: Dear all, I am just trying to get deeper into menatone temperaments for G-tuning. For this I read some very complicated books and I also tried different types of tastini. Is there any solution to stick them to the finger board in a really satisfying way? How do you manage to do so? Any suggestions? Thanks Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:hilbert.jo...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: unwound Synthetic CD basses for long diapasons: make it sense?
Long theoorbe/archlute basses always plain gut. I see no argument for anything else, and I hear no improvement in sound with anything else. I have a travelling archlute with 110cm (or about) basses, and even there plain gut stil gets me a decent low G. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 4 December 2017 at 09:07, Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche <[3]mperu...@aquilacorde.com> wrote: Hello, Some are telling me to produce longer CD strings for the long theorbo diapasons. Actually, I have some strong doubts: the tonal balance with the fretted strings will became even worse; the sound, in general, will became too bright and 'modern'. The risk is that we will lost the sense of the 'fondamento', whose sound should imitate the human voice and be dark, not too brilliant. I know: many performers already uses long wound strings; at the same time we know that the extended necks were introduced to accomodate plain gut strings, not for denser gut/synthetic version of it or even wound strings. Actually, I would like to stay in the direction that can make of support of the traditional Lute/theorbo sound, not in the direction to destroy it making a sort of... elettric chitarrone (Lol). Maybe things can be different if we are specking of these special kind of invented short neck theorboes that are today whidely in use when one must take a fly. We know how hard is to fly with a standard theorbo. These instruments has only an option that work: wound strings. Making a longer CD for this kind of instruments can be maybe a good option? Maybe making them of 1,40 cms max so one cannot install them on the 'real' theorboes... Guys, which is you opinion? Mimmo Peruffo To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:mperu...@aquilacorde.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee
I enjoyed, and still enjoy, his editions and found him generous and courteous in personal correspondence. David On Thu, 9 Nov 2017 at 17:32, Mathias Rösel <[1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: May I say that I was lucky enough to make his acquaintance. He was a generous man. Aharon Polak was his father (author of Al Hastumot Bamizmor, a commentary on the psalms), and Matanya's family name actually is a compound of his father's initials, as he pointed out to me. He was a pilot of the IDF. And he was particularly knowledgeable about guitar music and its sources. May his soul be bound in the bundle of life. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Alain Veylit Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. November 2017 16:48 Cc: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee Sad news. He kept the list alive and his work in publishing was significant, although perhaps primarily for guitar players. Perhaps the last representant of a generation that considered lute music a sub-set of classical guitar music. On 11/09/2017 07:35 AM, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier wrote: > yes a rather argumentative guy, who was disliked for his comments by > many.I did not miss his bickering on the list.but still sad to > lose someone in our community. > rest in peace > Bruno > > 2017-11-09 10:15 GMT-05:00 Mark Delpriora > <[1][5]terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>: > > I should add that that the correct spelling of his name is Ophee. > His publishing company is named Editions Orphee, resulting in >eternal > confusion > He hated that! > RIP > Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 9, 2017, at 9:57 AM, [1][2][6]terli...@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > I have not seen this posted here: > Guitarist, publisher, editor, scholar Matanya Orphee passed away >on > November 6th at 6:00 p.m. > Matanya was an extraordinary man: incredibly productive, >controversial, > combative and generous. > He made some great contributions to the guitar literature not >least of > which is advocating and publishing and even commissioning works >for > Russian 7 string guitar. > He also published some lute editions. > I am grateful to him as the publisher of 5 of my works. > I believe Matanya had the rare distinction of being kicked off >this > list. > [2][3][7]http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/ > Best, > Mark Delpriora > -- >References > 1. mailto:[4][8]terli...@aol.com > 2. [5][9]http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/ > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [6][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:[11]terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu > 2. mailto:[12]terli...@aol.com > 3. [13]http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/ > 4. mailto:[14]terli...@aol.com > 5. [15]http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/ > 6. [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- *** David van Ooijen [17]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [18]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:terli...@aol.com 7. http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/ 8. mailto:terli...@aol.com 9. http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/ 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 11. mailto:terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 12. mailto:terli...@aol.com 13. http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/ 14. mailto:terli...@aol.com 15. http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/ 16. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 17. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 18. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Buying a Lute
Highly subjective, ymmv, make your own choices, but ... I like curved fingerboards on Baroque lutes, they make sense to me. As they do on jazz guitars. They make life a lot easier. If you have the option, go for it! Stringing a theorbo as a baroque lute. Anything is possible, but think of how many of the basses you would want to finger once in a while, and think of double course/single strings, single 1st and 2nd and the rest double and then think of nut spacing on a theorbe vs nut spacing on a B-lute, and if you'd need to adjust a theorbo nut to your B-lute preferences, and think of the physical balance and weight of a theorbo vs a B-lute. Solo repertoire for B-lute is abundant, for theorbo there is not so much, this might well also have to do with the size of the thing. I know I prefer sitting an evening with a B-lute on my lap to an evening carrying a theorbo. Think of a well made theorbo, where the resonance of the instrument is, and how a well-made B-lute responds to the pitches of its string: would you play violin music on a bass, or viola music on a cello? Maybe a theorbo would be a bit boomy for a B-lute stringing, I don't know, but I would certainly want to try that out before spending the cash on such a conversion. Long story short: stringing a theorbo as a B-lute might go without any hitches, but it also might be a can of worms. Bridge spacing. I reject the one-size-fits-all theory. I am one size, and even on my different lutes I have different bridge spacings because of different hand positions/techniques that come with those lutes. Buying on-line is up to you, but for such a serious instrument I'd consider buying 2nd hand, so you can try, or going to a luthier and trying out before you order. The rental programmes of various lute societies, luthiers and even teachers (I have a spare R-lute I rent out) are a great way of trying out a lute. Lastly, you want a lute so I think you should go for a lute, but if you're really attached to your guitar, you could consider a 13-string guitar. I abhor these instruments, think they are as far away from a B-lute as you can get and a waste of (a lot) of effort and money, but I know they work for others and some people make wonderful music on them, of course. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 19 October 2017 at 11:45, Roman Turovsky <[3]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote: LeLuthDoree is planning to offer a small theorbo that can be easily strung as a baroque lute. It actually might be a perfect instrument for a classical guitarist making the switch. RT On 10/18/2017 5:59 PM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: To answer your actual questions, I don't think there are enough people who have played the Luth Dore baroque lutes to really get a balanced opinion. You might want to ask Rob MacKillop off line because he received an early model. Of course once they start to be mass produced one hopes there will be consistency between instruments. I don't think you can make a blanket statement about bridge length. It really depends on your personal anatomy and how well the strings vibrate on the instrument. At that price point however there is little competition. There are people who have filed their nails on an angle, allowing flesh only for lute playing and a flesh/nail interface for classical guitar and/or theorbo. Pat O'Brien was a prime example of someone who easily switched between all instruments in that way. It's actually the theorbo that has the hand position most similar to classical guitar, although there are differences for all the plucked lute family instruments. The primary difficulty with nails is cleanly striking both strings of a course together in unison. Especially that striking involves equal depression of both strings towards the soundboard and then follow through. A single strung theorbo avoids that problem, but you did say you wanted a baroque lute. Congratulations on that choice BTW, there is a surprising depth and breadth of music written in that tuning that traverses countries and styles. It's truly a wonderful instrument and it has given me years of joy. You didn't say where you live. If in the USA or UK, the local lute societies have lute lending programs that would allow you to try out a lute first. If you could attend one of the many playing days in the UK or lute seminar in the USA you would have the chance to try multiple lutes with different sizes and configurations. More ideal than buying sight unseen, which sadly most of us end up doing in the end. Danny On Oct 18, 2017, at 2:58 AM, Ido Shdaimah <[4]ishdai...@
[LUTE] Re: Buying a Lute
I've played (Renaissance) lute, archlute, Baroque guitar and theorbo with nails for years. There's a 3-CD box with me playing theorbo continuo where over the course of the recording sessions I've shed my nails and went from synthetic strings to gut. Though it was a giant leap for me I think it's but a small step in the ears of the listeners. David On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 at 00:02, Daniel Shoskes <[1]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: To answer your actual questions, I don't think there are enough people who have played the Luth Dore baroque lutes to really get a balanced opinion. You might want to ask Rob MacKillop off line because he received an early model. Of course once they start to be mass produced one hopes there will be consistency between instruments. I don't think you can make a blanket statement about bridge length. It really depends on your personal anatomy and how well the strings vibrate on the instrument. At that price point however there is little competition. There are people who have filed their nails on an angle, allowing flesh only for lute playing and a flesh/nail interface for classical guitar and/or theorbo. Pat O'Brien was a prime example of someone who easily switched between all instruments in that way. It's actually the theorbo that has the hand position most similar to classical guitar, although there are differences for all the plucked lute family instruments. The primary difficulty with nails is cleanly striking both strings of a course together in unison. Especially that striking involves equal depression of both strings towards the soundboard and then follow through. A single strung theorbo avoids that problem, but you did say you wanted a baroque lute. Congratulations on that choice BTW, there is a surprising depth and breadth of music written in that tuning that traverses countries and styles. It's truly a wonderful instrument and it has given me years of joy. You didn't say where you live. If in the USA or UK, the local lute societies have lute lending programs that would allow you to try out a lute first. If you could attend one of the many playing days in the UK or lute seminar in the USA you would have the chance to try multiple lutes with different sizes and configurations. More ideal than buying sight unseen, which sadly most of us end up doing in the end. Danny > On Oct 18, 2017, at 2:58 AM, Ido Shdaimah <[2]ishdai...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Hello fellow lute players and enthusiasts, I have a fair amount of >money saved and I would like to buy a lute. Currently I am eyeing Le >Luth Dorà © lutes, what is your take on these? >I would like a baroque lute, but Roman Turovsky advises against them >because of the 140cm bridge length, but I would like to hear other >people on the issue too. >More on these lutes: What is the difference between the cheaper and the >more expensive versions? >And finally, I currently play the classical guitar, and I'm not >planning to give up on it. So what should I do concerning the >nail/nail-less dispute? Should I find a middle ground, play nail-less >on both or maybe play with nails? >Thanks in advance. > >-- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [5]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 2. mailto:ishdai...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] looking for Bach's Chaconne for violin and bc
Anybody any ideas? David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Left hand warm up exercises
Well, it's not supposed to be pumping nylon. It's supposed to be
touching and feeling gut, relaxing your body and freeing up your sound.
But you are right in that you see me pump gut.
And about the reversed lefty, I've undertood most righties are not so
good ar reversing their brains so I've chosen to opt for reversing the
video.
On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 at 16:57, Dan Winheld <[1]dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote:
David-
Thanks for the video;
Oh yes, I remember those! I did most of them back in my teenage
years,
Classical Guitar training. I forgot a few, some are new (to me)
tweaks.
You have wandered deep into the Dark Wood of Evil Nylon Pumping
territory- but some of us NEED to do some of that work. Not all the
time, of course- and not hard and fast (Counterproductive, even
injurious if overdone). I go through this kind of woodshedding
maintenance work about 2 to 3 times a year. Oh yes, the actual
"Pumping
Nylon" guitar workout book is a very valuable resource for this kind
of
stuff. I especially like "Sergio Assad's favorite excercise" and one
called "The Spider". There - I've said it, I do technical work; even
guitar torture. Guilty & not sorry- Judge me accordingly!
David- one more thing; DO NOT REVERSE FROM LEFTY! It's much better
for
righties to flop their brains by pretending that they are watching
themselves in the mirror when viewing your work. I first learned to
do
this years ago the first time I encountered your videos online. As
easy
as learning Italian tab. I got to the point of sensing/feeling a
more
direct connection than from seeing th same thing from a RH player's
perspective.
(As an archery teacher I find it a basic necessity to shoot lefty
most
of the time as most of my students are RH- otherwise they cannot see
what I am demonstrating & I can't see what they are doing. Good
thing I
am a left handed archer; I am clumsier when having to instruct the
LH
students I get occasionally).
Dan
On 10/7/2017 4:32 AM, David van Ooijen wrote:
> The subject came up some time ago. This is what I made for an
on-line
> pupil with the same question:
>
> [1][2]https://youtu.be/aFGZA7JJueE
>
> This is not about speed, muscles or strength. It's about
relaxing and
> feeling, touch versus grip.
>
> David (and before ypu ask: yes, I'm a lefty but these videos
I tend to
> reverse)
>
> --
>
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5. https://youtu.be/aFGZA7JJueE
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[LUTE] Left hand warm up exercises
The subject came up some time ago. This is what I made for an on-line pupil with the same question: [1]https://youtu.be/aFGZA7JJueE This is not about speed, muscles or strength. It's about relaxing and feeling, touch versus grip. David (and before ypu ask: yes, I'm a lefty but these videos I tend to reverse) -- *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. https://youtu.be/aFGZA7JJueE 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Physical Exercises for left hand.
Stretching and relaxing exercises that are aimed at the whole body, not just the hand. Yoga will do the trick for many, for me it happens to be TaiChi. David On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 at 22:22, Anthony Hart <[1]anthony.hart1...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear collective wisdom, I have been away from playing for many months and my left hand is protesting! Does anyone have any suggestions for physical exercises to relieve tension and relax muscles prior to practice? I need to do some serious practice over the next few months. Many thanks Anthony -- __ Anthony Hart MSc, LLCM,ALCM. Musicologist and Independent Researcher Highrise Court 'B', Apt 2, Tigne' Street, Sliema, SLM3174, MALTA Mob: +356 9944 9552. e-mail: [1][2]resea...@antoninoreggio.com; web: [2][3]www.monsignor-reggio.com NEW Publications: EDIZIONE ANTONINO REGGIO - [3][4]www.edizionear.com for information and special offer -- References 1. mailto:[5]resea...@antoninoreggio.com 2. [6]http://www.monsignor-reggio.com/ 3. [7]http://www.edizionear.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [9]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [10]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:anthony.hart1...@gmail.com 2. mailto:resea...@antoninoreggio.com 3. http://www.monsignor-reggio.com/ 4. http://www.edizionear.com/ 5. mailto:resea...@antoninoreggio.com 6. http://www.monsignor-reggio.com/ 7. http://www.edizionear.com/ 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 10. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Weiss French manuscript (Venice 1712) - facsimile
Hi Luca Last year I ordered a microfilm from the BNP. Cheap, and quick service. I believe these days they do pdf on demand. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 24 September 2017 at 16:44, Luca Manassero <[3]l...@manassero.net> wrote: Dear List, for a potential dissertation on S. L. Weiss I'd like to get a full facsimile copy of the manuscript F-Pn Rés. Vmc ms. 61 (Paris Library, France), the one which is dated "In Venetiis [...] 1712". Are you aware of any facsimile copy or of the procedure to get one from the Paris Library? I did an online search, but couldn't find any copy or other info. Thank you in advance, Luca -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:l...@manassero.net 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Looking for a Handel menuet
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 at 17:08, Steven Farrelly-Jackson
<[1]sfar...@gmail.com> wrote:
Attractive piece. Is there a lute transcription of it anywhere?
Tarrega on lute, reverse hip, and why not.
David
Thanks, Steven
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:15 PM, David van Ooijen
<[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for all your answers, to the point and really, really
helpfull. Mystery solved and much transcribing work avoided.
Thank you
David - promises to stick to lite matters next time. Maybe.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 at 12:41, David van Ooijen
<[1][3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry to abuse this list for something only tangentially
lute
related -
and to make matters worse, it's a question not just CG but
even
AS
inspired -but given the number of guitar players among
you,
I'll give
it a shot anyway.
To all my guitar and Hà ¤ndel friends (that includes
everyone
still
reading, right?). I am looking for the sheet music (or
source, or
HWV
number, or any other good lead) of the menuet(s) that
Segovia
plays on
'Segovia on Stage'. It's supposed to be from the Aylesford
Collection.
Here it is on YouTube (starting at 14'00):
[1][2][4]https://youtu.be/Iku_LEiijp4?t=14m1s
Any lead appreciated.
David - back to luting
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6. mailto:[18]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
7. [19]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
8. [20]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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10. [22]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
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2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
4. https://youtu.be/Iku_LEiijp4?t=14m1s
5. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
6. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
7. https://youtu.be/Iku_LEiijp4?t=14m1s
8. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
9. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
11. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
12. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
13. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
14. https://youtu.be/Iku_LEiijp4?t=14m1s
15. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
16. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
17. https://youtu.be/Iku_LEiijp4?t=14m1s
18. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
19. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
20. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
21. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
22. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
23. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
24. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Looking for a Handel menuet
Thank you for all your answers, to the point and really, really
helpfull. Mystery solved and much transcribing work avoided.
Thank you
David - promises to stick to lite matters next time. Maybe.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 at 12:41, David van Ooijen
<[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry to abuse this list for something only tangentially lute
related -
and to make matters worse, it's a question not just CG but even
AS
inspired - but given the number of guitar players among you,
I'll give
it a shot anyway.
To all my guitar and Hà ¤ndel friends (that includes everyone
still
reading, right?). I am looking for the sheet music (or source, or
HWV
number, or any other good lead) of the menuet(s) that Segovia
plays on
'Segovia on Stage'. It's supposed to be from the Aylesford
Collection.
Here it is on YouTube (starting at 14'00):
[1][2]https://youtu.be/Iku_LEiijp4?t=14m1s
Any lead appreciated.
David - back to luting
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3. [7]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
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1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
2. https://youtu.be/Iku_LEiijp4?t=14m1s
3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
5. https://youtu.be/Iku_LEiijp4?t=14m1s
6. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
7. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
9. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
10. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Looking for a Handel menuet
Sorry to abuse this list for something only tangentially lute related - and to make matters worse, it's a question not just CG but even AS inspired - but given the number of guitar players among you, I'll give it a shot anyway. To all my guitar and Händel friends (that includes everyone still reading, right?). I am looking for the sheet music (or source, or HWV number, or any other good lead) of the menuet(s) that Segovia plays on 'Segovia on Stage'. It's supposed to be from the Aylesford Collection. Here it is on YouTube (starting at 14'00): [1]https://youtu.be/Iku_LEiijp4?t=14m1s Any lead appreciated. David - back to luting *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. https://youtu.be/Iku_LEiijp4?t=14m1s 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
>> David, I see you are here too. Just want to say I love your Terzi Album with Michiel Niessen. It is one of my favorite I dare say prog rock albums. << Talking about expensive hobbies, don't get me started on making CDs. ;-) But thanks for the kind words, I'll pass them on to Michiel Niessen. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
The standard joke in the early music orchestras I play in. When asked
what we would do if we would win the lottery: 'Continue gigging till we
run out of money.'
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On 8 September 2017 at 13:58, Lynda Kraar
<[3]guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
My daughter fell in love with the Sting CD, and we would sit in
the
loving room where I'd have to reproduce the lute parts from tab
while
she'd sing. The highlight was meeting Sting at a concert at Jazz
at
Lincoln Center in NYC (about seven years ago) where we sat four
seats
away from Sting.
During intermission she asked Sting if he was going to do a
follow-up
CD, and he told her that he would love to keep going with the
project,
but it was too expensive.
Related - when asked why he didn't cut money losers like Vladimir
Horowitz and others from the CBS roster, record industry icon
Clive
Davis said, you don't keep your classical label going because
it's
lucrative: You keep it because it's a treasure.
[kraar+logo.png]
Lynda Kraar
On Sep 8, 2017, at 5:59 AM, David van Ooijen
<[1][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Love that, Mathias.
David
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On 8 September 2017 at 11:53, Mathias Rà �sel
<[3][4][7]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:
My daughter was eight when his CD was released. I used it as
a
lullaby for
her. The next morning she asked about it, and I said, well,
you can
sing the
songs you like best yourself. Children of that age can learn
rapidly. Can
She Excuse, and Now, Oh Now, and Come Again were her first
three
Dowland
songs, and I was as proud of her as a father can be.
And all of it was Sting's merit!
Mathias
-Ursprà �ngliche Nachricht-
Von: [4][5][8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[5][6]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth.
edu] Im Auftrag
von Jurgen Frenz
Gesendet: Freitag, 8. September 2017 09:23
An: Tristan von Neumann
Cc: lutelist Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to
defend
the
purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even
some
of the
terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players
on
YouTube
have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself.
The
'knowing' public smiles at awful performances and moves on
(the
folks I
know do), in no way even these people don't bring down lute
music
or
Mr. Dowland or anybody else.
If there's only one player (and apparently there's one on
this
list)
who was moved by Sting's recording to pick up the lute then
there
is a
positive impact on the public. And as far as the purity of
any
early
music is concerned: Let's listen to some identical Dowland
pieces
recorded recently say by O'Dette and Hopkinson. They sound
complete
different and I think it is great that they do. With the
distance
of
over 400 years and the lost knowledge of the time we discover
and
bring
out things in the music that we find remarkable today - if
Mr.
Dowland
or Francesco or whoever had that in mind is nothing to be
concerned
about. We live the music now and it is the best service that
we
can do
toearly music - which is keeping it alive.
Just my opinion as said in the beginning.
Best
Jurgen
"You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in
a
drop"
Rumi
Original Message
Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
Local Time: 8 September 2017 9:44 AM
UTC Time: 8 September 2017 02:44
From: [6][7][9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
To: lutelist Net <[7][8][10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sting raised at least my interest in the Lute.
Mainly becau
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
Love that, Mathias. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 8 September 2017 at 11:53, Mathias Rösel <[3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: My daughter was eight when his CD was released. I used it as a lullaby for her. The next morning she asked about it, and I said, well, you can sing the songs you like best yourself. Children of that age can learn rapidly. Can She Excuse, and Now, Oh Now, and Come Again were her first three Dowland songs, and I was as proud of her as a father can be. And all of it was Sting's merit! Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth. edu] Im Auftrag von Jurgen Frenz Gesendet: Freitag, 8. September 2017 09:23 An: Tristan von Neumann Cc: lutelist Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to defend the purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even some of the terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players on YouTube have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself. The 'knowing' public smiles at awful performances and moves on (the folks I know do), in no way even these people don't bring down lute music or Mr. Dowland or anybody else. If there's only one player (and apparently there's one on this list) who was moved by Sting's recording to pick up the lute then there is a positive impact on the public. And as far as the purity of any early music is concerned: Let's listen to some identical Dowland pieces recorded recently say by O'Dette and Hopkinson. They sound complete different and I think it is great that they do. With the distance of over 400 years and the lost knowledge of the time we discover and bring out things in the music that we find remarkable today - if Mr. Dowland or Francesco or whoever had that in mind is nothing to be concerned about. We live the music now and it is the best service that we can do to early music - which is keeping it alive. Just my opinion as said in the beginning. Best Jurgen "You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop" Rumi Original Message Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) Local Time: 8 September 2017 9:44 AM UTC Time: 8 September 2017 02:44 From: [6]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de To: lutelist Net <[7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sting raised at least my interest in the Lute. Mainly because of Karamazov, but still. It also led to "Singer-Songwriter Time Travels", a series of concerts where contemporary singer-songwriters were covering old Lute songs or similar Early Music. This worked surprisingly well. Am 07.09.2017 um 23:26 schrieb G. C.: > Harsh words, I liked Sting"s effort. Karamazow also made a fine input. > On the whole, lute-propagating I think. > G. > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:18 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program > <[1][8]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote: > > no effect noticed. Perhaps that is because Sting did neither > Dowland > nor the lute any service? Not an "artist" I would have chosen > to sing > Dowland...or anything else for that matter. To get on or off this list see list information at [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 7. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. mailto:lsaluteren...@gmail.com 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How late was Ren Lute music performed?
Tangential, but not irrelevant: Napoleon Coste has arranged music by Robert de Visee for 6-string guitar. On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 at 14:36, Daniel Shoskes <[1]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Musicological Hive Mind: I have often heard it said that we are the first generation of lute players to play so many different instruments and tunings, from medieval to 6-13 courses to theorbo, archlute and romantic guitar. Obviously Dowland never played Weiss (unless he had a Tardis) but do we have any evidence for how long Renaissance lute music was played beyond the death of the composer? Would you ever hear a concert that combined Dowland with Blow or Purcell (to stay in one country)? Milano and Monteverdi? After the transition, would a performer own lutes both in d minor and viel ton tuning (aside from an archlute in Italy). If the answer is we don't know beyond personal opinion, that's fine but I'm curious as to any surviving evidence. Thanks Danny To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
