PowerMail 6.2 and iCloud, help
I just purchased a new MacBook Pro and installed a new updated version of PowerMail 6.2. With my old MacBook because I had PM 5.6.5, I never used IMAP with my iCloud account, I just picked it up with my iPad. But, I see that now there is IMAP compatibility with my PowerMail, now nice! I have configured the IMAP account, but am getting nothing. It logs in and just sits there, barber shop pole. No error message or box. Doesn't ever quit saying I have a wrong ID or password. Protocol IMAP4 User ID My Apple ID Incoming server imap.mail.me.com Password for my Apple account Using SSL/TLS Port 993 I have disabled the HTML reader. What am I missing? Thanks, Jaede
Database error - PowerMail will not open, need help
After starting up my computer I launched PowerMail and my computer froze. Now when I try to open PowerMail I get the message A database error occurred. Clicking on More info gets me: Class: DB; what=7; when=9 Then when I click OK PowerMail quits. I am running PowerMail 5.5.3 build 4480, Mac OS 10.4.11. I cannot remember any key combinations to get PowerMail to try to fix the database, cannot find anything online and can't consult PM's help. Is there a fix? Thanks. - Winston (working from web mail - ugh!)
Re: Database error - PowerMail will not open, need help
Hold command and option keys down upon launch. You should get a database utilities dialog. I select all the options other than those that mess with my preferences. Knowing databases, I do the full low level rebuild and all options on my data file at least once a month. It may sound paranoid considering I have lots of backup, but having my email database messed up is not something I want to experience again. +---+ Bill Schjelderup, President b...@companioncorp.com COMPanion Corporation801-365-0555 voice 1831 Fort Union Blvd. 801-943-7752 fax Salt Lake City, Utah 84121-3041 www.companioncorp.com +---+ Nusquam est qui ubique est. - He who is everywhere is nowhere. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are NOT the intended recipient, I'm sorry to bother you and will attempt to address my messages more carefully in the future. After starting up my computer I launched PowerMail and my computer froze. Now when I try to open PowerMail I get the message A database error occurred. Clicking on More info gets me: Class: DB; what=7; when=9 Then when I click OK PowerMail quits. I am running PowerMail 5.5.3 build 4480, Mac OS 10.4.11. I cannot remember any key combinations to get PowerMail to try to fix the database, cannot find anything online and can't consult PM's help. Is there a fix? Thanks. - Winston (working from web mail - ugh!)
Re(2): Help! Erased account-how to avoid massive re-download?
Thanks for the suggestions. I went ahead and re-downloaded the mail, then deleted the duplicates. (Luckily I just had a speed upgrade in my internet connection.) The issue was definitely with PowerMail, as my email account (at my internet provider) does not keep track of whether or not mail has been downloaded to PowerMail. Clearly PM keeps a log somewhere of what mail it has downloaded and not. When I deleted the Mail Accounts setup in PM for downloaded mail I am sure PM also deleted the list of mail it had already downloaded. PM is apparently not smart enough to see that two Mail Accounts have the same POP settings. This is why I only set up one of the two Mail Accounts to download mail - if both had been set up PM would have downloaded each message twice. (Again, I had two accounts set up due to a change in how my internet provider accepts sent mail.) My main email does not have IMAP. Thanks again. - Winston Matthias Schmidt wrote: I believe this has nothing to do with PM, but the server pushes these mails again So, I'd setup a filter for these mails, so that they get collected in one folder and redownload them and delete the whole folder after downloading. Or you use IMAP and delete them from the server. Thanks and all the best Matthias Am/On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:22:01 -0500 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann: I had two versions of the account information for my main email account in Mail Accounts. The older one was set up for receiving mail, the newer one for sending. Yesterday I deleted the older account and now have set the newer one to check for mail. Now PowerMail wants to re-download all previously downloaded mail. I keep 2 months of mail on web mail as a backup. I assume that when I deleted the older settings in Mail Accounts PowerMail lost the log of what mail it had already downloaded.Is there any way to keep PowerMail from re-downloading the email it has already downloaded?
Help! Erased account-how to avoid massive re-download?
I had two versions of the account information for my main email account in Mail Accounts. The older one was set up for receiving mail, the newer one for sending. Yesterday I deleted the older account and now have set the newer one to check for mail. Now PowerMail wants to re-download all previously downloaded mail. I keep 2 months of mail on web mail as a backup. I assume that when I deleted the older settings in Mail Accounts PowerMail lost the log of what mail it had already downloaded.Is there any way to keep PowerMail from re-downloading the email it has already downloaded? Thanks for any help. - Winston (This happened because my internet company moved to authenticated SMTP which required different SMTP settings. I discovered that the PM List- Unsubscribe button on some emails ignored the setting to use the newer account settings and instead used the older settings, which no longer work for sending mail. So I deleted the older settings, not realizing that this would mess up PowerMail's tracking of what mail it had already downloaded.)
Re: Help! Erased account-how to avoid massive re-download?
Am/On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:22:01 -0500 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann: I had two versions of the account information for my main email account in Mail Accounts. The older one was set up for receiving mail, the newer one for sending. Yesterday I deleted the older account and now have set the newer one to check for mail. Now PowerMail wants to re-download all previously downloaded mail. I keep 2 months of mail on web mail as a backup. I assume that when I deleted the older settings in Mail Accounts PowerMail lost the log of what mail it had already downloaded.Is there any way to keep PowerMail from re-downloading the email it has already downloaded? I believe this has nothing to do with PM, but the server pushes these mails again So, I'd setup a filter for these mails, so that they get collected in one folder and redownload them and delete the whole folder after downloading. Or you use IMAP and delete them from the server. Thanks and all the best Matthias
Re: PowerMail 5.2.3 db problem. Please help.
Dan MacMillan said: The message database is currently at 2gb, and before I managed to compress it, a problem developed. After a reboot, PowerMail attempted to rebuild the sort indicies, but this failed after about 12 minutes with the following , A database error occurred ; Class=DB ; what=100; when=9; err=158. I restarted PowerMail a number of times, and this rebuild fails in the same fashion each time. The classic response is to delete the sort index located at ~/PowerMail Files/Message Database index and let the indices rebuild from scratch. However your latter disk full error could indicate permission problems or other filesystem problems, so I would first check the disk with appropriate repair application to rule out physical and logical problems in the filesystem and then make sure that all files under PowerMail Files was full readable and writeable for the user in question. The latter can be done in the finder by choosing that folder and set the proper rights for it and then extend that by clicking use for included objects. Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook G4/400 Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
PowerMail 5.2.3 db problem. Please help.
Hello all, I am having a problem with by installation of PowerMail 5.2.3, and would very much appreciate any help. The message database is currently at 2gb, and before I managed to compress it, a problem developed. After a reboot, PowerMail attempted to rebuild the sort indicies, but this failed after about 12 minutes with the following , A database error occurred ; Class=DB ; what=100; when=9; err=158. I restarted PowerMail a number of times, and this rebuild fails in the same fashion each time. Next I tired to to start with the Option and Command keys held down, and compact the mail, address and settings databases. This failed after about 6 minutes with the following error, A database error occured ; Class=DB ; what=100 ; when=9 ; err=158. I also tired to start with the Option and Command keys held down, and do a low-level database rebuild. This failed after about 14 minutes with the following error, An error occured while rebuilding the Message Database file ; DB write error (disk full?) ; Class=DB ; what=4 ; when=100 ; err=37. There is 5.02 gig free on my HD. Thank you! -Dan
Re: Powermail index/search error, any help?
Greetings all, Checking in to report that the suggestion below worked. The export process makes it fairly easy to identify a suspect message. Trashing the message leaves no doubt, as the message cannot be deleted. (The only way I found to eliminate the unremovable trashed message was to delete the whole mail file.) So I had to go back to the original mail file and start over a couple of times because there were several bad messages. I had to mess with folders some, and successfully rebuilt my mail file and index. The 'new' file worked fine for a day or so, then the problem returned! This did not seem to be from a newly received message, but one that had somehow been 'missed' by the export process. I repeated the process all over again, and my re-created mail file and index have worked fine now for over a week. Many thanks to Jerome!! - - Chris Christopher Plummer ZebraTale, LLC Macintosh Lotus Domino Consulting On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:00:01 +0100,Jerome [EMAIL PROTECTED], allegedly wrote: Subject: Re: Powermail index/search error, any help? From: It seems like a problem with the index being corrupted, presumably by some particular badly formatted message? I have tried the usual techniques, trashing the index and rebuilding it, and also running the complete set of startup rebuild functions. In fact the STL error occurs after a complete rebuild of the index of (16,000?) messages when it tries to optimize the index. Try to export your entire mail database to the PowerMail Exchange format. As there is probably a corrupted message, this could fail. In this case, you can take a look at the exported file with a text editor (or import it to a new database - menu file / database / new user environment) to determine which message could be corrupted. Messages are exported folder by folder, and inside a given folder, by date saved. The corrupted message should be the message following the last exported message. In case you can't get rid of the corrupted message (it could cause an error when moving to the trash or using the delete message immediately script), you can export your messages one or multiple folders at a time (instead of exporting the entire message database), or multiple messages at a time for the folder that you can't export without an error. Then you can create a new user environment and import your messages there. You can then copy the old Setup Database file to copy your accounts, filters etc to the new user environment. Note that you will need to verify all your filter that move messages to a specific folder, as the folder reference will be changed in the new user environment. Also, if you leave the messages on the POP server, you will re-download the message still present on the server; to avoid this, you can purge retrieved messages, from the accounts dialog, on your old user environment, before switching to the new one. Jerome - CTM Engineering = ** Chris's UNPREDICTABLE and OCCASIONAL Newsletter for Macintosh and iPod Users ** Archives at Unpredictable Mac - http:// www.unpredictablemac.com ===
Powermail index/search error, any help?
On Intel MacBook w/2 Gig RAM and OS X ver. 10.4.9, PowerMail version 5.5.2, Message db 112 Mb, Message db index 33 Mb, Message db Spotlight cache 100 Mb. I've had an annoying problem with PowerMail for about a year, and though I've written directly to Support several times, I can't seem to elicit any response. It seems like a problem with the index being corrupted, presumably by some particular badly formatted message? I have tried the usual techniques, trashing the index and rebuilding it, and also running the complete set of startup rebuild functions. In fact the STL error occurs after a complete rebuild of the index of (16,000?) messages when it tries to optimize the index. The error(s) don't prevent me from using Powermail, and after clicking through the error dialogs it seems that the Find function is working... When Powermail launches - An STL exception occurred Class=std; what=6; when = 100 When initiating a Find from within Powermail - A memory error occurred: Class=std; what=1; when =100 I imagine that starting over with a brand new mail file would be a solution - if you could call it that - but does anyone else have any ideas? Such as how to locate the offending message? If I have to start over, I am going to seriously question why I want to stick with PowerMail... Thanks in advance, - Chris Christopher Plummer Ask the right questions. - Kate Stockton
Powermail Failure...Please Help
I'm new to powermail...having just switched from apple mail. I just spent about a day and a half getting about 20,000 mail messages systematically transfered over from mail into powermail, setting up 8 email accounts, locations and quite a few filters. Everything was working great on my mac book and then I went to power up powermail to check email and I got an error message while opening that there was a problem in the database. I tried a couple of times...but got the same error. I then tried to rebuild things by doing a option/command while starting powermail. I checked everything except the low level rebuild. It took about an hour and what I got was nothing like what I had before. All my accounts and filters were gone as were location settings. All my folders were also gone and all that was there was a giant folder which looks like it was created from some apple mail files...but was not what I had before. Please help...I'm panicked at best. I appear to have lost several days work as well as all my email since I changed over. Should I do a low level rebuild? I have no idea what happened. Robert
Re: Powermail Failure...Please Help
Robert Morrison on 3/24/07 said I'm new to powermail...having just switched from apple mail. I just spent about a day and a half getting about 20,000 mail messages systematically transfered over from mail into powermail, setting up 8 email accounts, locations and quite a few filters. Everything was working great on my mac book and then I went to power up powermail to check email and I got an error message while opening that there was a problem in the database. I tried a couple of times...but got the same error. I then tried to rebuild things by doing a option/command while starting powermail. I checked everything except the low level rebuild. It took about an hour and what I got was nothing like what I had before. All my accounts and filters were gone as were location settings. All my folders were also gone and all that was there was a giant folder which looks like it was created from some apple mail files...but was not what I had before. Please help...I'm panicked at best. I appear to have lost several days work as well as all my email since I changed over. Should I do a low level rebuild? I have no idea what happened. Do you still have your apple mail? Was it from panther or tiger? how did you switch? Do you know how big your pm database was when working? There is a 2 gb limit. -- Barbara Needham
Re: Powermail Failure...Please Help
Robert Morrison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-03-24 20:09 said: Please help...I'm panicked at best. I appear to have lost several days work as well as all my email since I changed over. Should I do a low level rebuild? I have no idea what happened. You could try, it might help. You might also try PowerMail Salvage (google it). Also, backup your PowerMail Files folder before going any further. -- When the winds of change are blowing, some people are building shelters and others are building windmills - Chinese proverb
Re: Powermail Failure...Please Help
On Mar 24, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Barbara Needham wrote: Robert Morrison on 3/24/07 said I'm new to powermail...having just switched from apple mail. I just spent about a day and a half getting about 20,000 mail messages systematically transfered over from mail into powermail, setting up 8 email accounts, locations and quite a few filters. Everything was working great on my mac book and then I went to power up powermail to check email and I got an error message while opening that there was a problem in the database. I tried a couple of times...but got the same error. I then tried to rebuild things by doing a option/command while starting powermail. I checked everything except the low level rebuild. It took about an hour and what I got was nothing like what I had before. All my accounts and filters were gone as were location settings. All my folders were also gone and all that was there was a giant folder which looks like it was created from some apple mail files...but was not what I had before. Please help...I'm panicked at best. I appear to have lost several days work as well as all my email since I changed over. Should I do a low level rebuild? I have no idea what happened. Do you still have your apple mail? Yes Was it from panther or tiger? Tiger how did you switch? I made folders in mail with the messages I wanted in powermail and then imported those folders into powermail. I then moved the messages around in powermail...including putting some of them in the in tray. Do you know how big your pm database was when working? There is a 2 gb limit. I noticed that my message database was about 700mb, but my address book database was 2gb...which was kind of weird. I'm not sure what the difference between the message and address book databases are. Robert
Re: Powermail Failure...Please Help
Robert Morrison on 3/24/07 said On Mar 24, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Barbara Needham wrote: Robert Morrison on 3/24/07 said I'm new to powermail...having just switched from apple mail. I just spent about a day and a half getting about 20,000 mail messages systematically transfered over from mail into powermail, setting up 8 email accounts, locations and quite a few filters. Everything was working great on my mac book and then I went to power up powermail to check email and I got an error message while opening that there was a problem in the database. I tried a couple of times...but got the same error. I then tried to rebuild things by doing a option/command while starting powermail. I checked everything except the low level rebuild. It took about an hour and what I got was nothing like what I had before. All my accounts and filters were gone as were location settings. All my folders were also gone and all that was there was a giant folder which looks like it was created from some apple mail files...but was not what I had before. Please help...I'm panicked at best. I appear to have lost several days work as well as all my email since I changed over. Should I do a low level rebuild? I have no idea what happened. Do you still have your apple mail? Yes Was it from panther or tiger? Tiger how did you switch? I made folders in mail with the messages I wanted in powermail and then imported those folders into powermail. I then moved the messages around in powermail...including putting some of them in the in tray. Do you know how big your pm database was when working? There is a 2 gb limit. I noticed that my message database was about 700mb, but my address book database was 2gb...which was kind of weird. I'm not sure what the difference between the message and address book databases are. The address database is just an address book which more or less can be kept in synch with your apple address book, if you so choose. The message database has all the actual bodies of messages. Attachments are downloaded to a separate folder, even those things like line.gif which come up when people use stationery for their mail. If I were you and the messages in the last couple of days are still on your server or otherwise retrievable... I would import into PowerMail folder by folder and make sure things are working correctly after each import. However, since you'll probably end up doing that anyway if the database rebuild doesn't work.. might as well try it first. I find it better when doing the first aid bits on power mail to try one at a time. Hopefully someone else with more experience will chime in... -- Barbara Needham
Re: Powermail Failure...Please Help
Thanks, I did everything right the first time...I guess powermail is just too risky for me...I need reliability and it appears powermail doesn't have it. Robert On Mar 24, 2007, at 9:28 PM, Barbara Needham wrote: Robert Morrison on 3/24/07 said On Mar 24, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Barbara Needham wrote: Robert Morrison on 3/24/07 said I'm new to powermail...having just switched from apple mail. I just spent about a day and a half getting about 20,000 mail messages systematically transfered over from mail into powermail, setting up 8 email accounts, locations and quite a few filters. Everything was working great on my mac book and then I went to power up powermail to check email and I got an error message while opening that there was a problem in the database. I tried a couple of times...but got the same error. I then tried to rebuild things by doing a option/command while starting powermail. I checked everything except the low level rebuild. It took about an hour and what I got was nothing like what I had before. All my accounts and filters were gone as were location settings. All my folders were also gone and all that was there was a giant folder which looks like it was created from some apple mail files...but was not what I had before. Please help...I'm panicked at best. I appear to have lost several days work as well as all my email since I changed over. Should I do a low level rebuild? I have no idea what happened. Do you still have your apple mail? Yes Was it from panther or tiger? Tiger how did you switch? I made folders in mail with the messages I wanted in powermail and then imported those folders into powermail. I then moved the messages around in powermail...including putting some of them in the in tray. Do you know how big your pm database was when working? There is a 2 gb limit. I noticed that my message database was about 700mb, but my address book database was 2gb...which was kind of weird. I'm not sure what the difference between the message and address book databases are. The address database is just an address book which more or less can be kept in synch with your apple address book, if you so choose. The message database has all the actual bodies of messages. Attachments are downloaded to a separate folder, even those things like line.gif which come up when people use stationery for their mail. If I were you and the messages in the last couple of days are still on your server or otherwise retrievable... I would import into PowerMail folder by folder and make sure things are working correctly after each import. However, since you'll probably end up doing that anyway if the database rebuild doesn't work.. might as well try it first. I find it better when doing the first aid bits on power mail to try one at a time. Hopefully someone else with more experience will chime in... -- Barbara Needham
Re: Powermail Failure...Please Help
Robert - I digress. Very often when a user comes with a shorthand reaction like you show below it can very often be traced back to user error, including user oversight of some sort or manner. I'm using PM since many years since Claris Emailer and I've had huge traffic in it and PM is an EXTREMELY good and rock solid email application. Period. Obviously you did something which gave PM a marvelous hiccup, but PM is NOT risky per se - right now I am using Apple's Mail because my PowerBook is in overhaul and I'm telling you, I'm having the hardest time and am missing PM with it's slick logic and workflow very, very much. One thing this shows is that people often will feel more comfortable with what they are used to be using, such as you and Mail. Also, I've yet to find software which has not some sort of bug or quirk. I do not idealize PM to the point that I'm saying it is faultless, but it is VERY solid and very good and you have thrown A LOT at it and we come in at the end of it all and for us users - yes, I am not affiliated with CTM, I'm just a user as are others on this list - it is impossible to know what exactly you have done. I'm sure that if I sat the 2 days next to you watching the whole process I could nail the problem down quite a bit better. But that you end up with one big lump sum of a folder and things gone and this and that... this does NOT sound as if normal PM actions have been at work, something really went far, far off the rails. This said, I assume the following : a) you first tested PM before buying it b) you tested the export from MAIL and import flow to PM first with only 1 folder and a few messages (maybe 100 or maybe 500) into PM and made sure things are like you want them to be. c) you QUIT also PowerMail and relaunch to see if all is still like you want before continuing putting your time into a huge exodus?! d) once you are sure that the messages arrive in PM as you want - i.e. that you follow the export/import steps as outlined in PM online manual etc. - you begin the big exodus. e) once the exodus is done and BEFORE you start messing around in PowerMail, you make a BACKUP. f) right? you've made some sort of backup? g) now you start messing around in PowerMail with filters and folders and whatnot. h) after all of this if you haven't done e) you backup everything at this point. i) ... j) okay, so now you are in trouble... k) when all the trouble begins, do you also reboot your machine? this can do wonders at times. l) I don't know WHAT all you imported into PM and how you setup the filters and VIEW options (people sometimes freak out and think all their mail is gone but basically they just set their view option to only view unread mail... it happens)... but the ADDRESS BOOK is usually a small file - except you are running some 10'000 address based book or something. m) if I'd be in you situation I'd do the rebuild of the database but not expect too much. n) redo the export in smaller steps as outlined above, while using PM for your daily mail o) backup regularly (set a backup script to do a backup of your PM folder) - remember, PM should not be open when the backup is running. ---marlyse On Mar 24, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Robert Morrison wrote: Thanks, I did everything right the first time...I guess powermail is just too risky for me...I need reliability and it appears powermail doesn't have it. Robert
Re: Help!
Am/On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:17:54 -0500 schrieb/wrote Bill Stecher: I've got an empty attachments folder in the Powermail Files folder in the Powermail folder. I dragged it over from an old copy. It also doesn't bold unread messages. ??...Thanx...Bill Please change your subject line, while replying to a digest. then you should check the settings for your attachments folder in the preferences pane. Something seams to be wrong with your set up. All the best Matthias --- Admilon Consulting GmbH http://www.admilon.com Tel. +81-736-56-3905 ---
Help!
Help! With OS 9.2.2 and PM 4.2.1 can't get attachments to open, nor can I drag them to the hard drive; they drag as unopenable clippings. This goes for Word and pityures. I've reinstalled. Any suggestions? Bill Stecher
Re: Help!
Am/On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:59:42 -0500 schrieb/wrote Bill Stecher: Help! With OS 9.2.2 and PM 4.2.1 can't get attachments to open, nor can I drag them to the hard drive; they drag as unopenable clippings. This goes for Word and pityures. I've reinstalled. Any suggestions? Bill Stecher Bill, how does your Attachments folder look like? It should be in your PowerMail Files folder. What happens, when you let show the attachment in the Finder? Could it be that your attachments are only partly downloaded or do you use IMAP? All the best Matthias --- Admilon Consulting GmbH http://www.admilon.com Tel. +81-736-56-3905 ---
Re: seeking help with indexing problem
Have you tried exporting all messages to the Powermail format, them starting with an empty email db (all messages deleted- do have a Back up copy!) them import those messages back in? Sometimes that can clean a database. I've done that with FileMaker Pro before. Do you have the spotlight searching enabled? try turning that off. (or on, whichever it's not). Best, Dave Nathanson Mac Medix in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Ken Pope's message of 1:55 PM, 8/25/06 I use PM 5.2.3 on a G4 with Tiger 10.4.7, and have run into a problem with the indexing. I wasn't finding things when I searched, so I tried to rebuild the index, but it would go almost to the end (of around 85,000 messages) and then freeze. Once it freezes I am unable to use the program -- even after I use force quit and restart my computer, once I restart PM and ask it to do anything (e.g., download mail), I get the spinning ball and when I check force quit it tells me that PM is not responding. Once this initial freeze happens, PM becomes completely nonresponsive, and I have to load my back-up.
seeking help with indexing problem
I use PM 5.2.3 on a G4 with Tiger 10.4.7, and have run into a problem with the indexing. I wasn't finding things when I searched, so I tried to rebuild the index, but it would go almost to the end (of around 85,000 messages) and then freeze. Once it freezes I am unable to use the program -- even after I use force quit and restart my computer, once I restart PM and ask it to do anything (e.g., download mail), I get the spinning ball and when I check force quit it tells me that PM is not responding. Once this initial freeze happens, PM becomes completely nonresponsive, and I have to load my back-up. I'm *very* glad I make frequent back-ups by cloning my disk because it enabled me to restore PM and all my files and start over. But I've tried everything I can think of (e.g., rebuilding the message database and other functions both from the data/file menu and from starting PM while holding down the option Apple keys; deleting the index from my hard drive and rebuilding it; running Disk Warrior, YASU, Applejack; and so on). Each time I clone the back-up copy back to my computer, I can start and use PM (send receive messages, etc.), but I can't search and whenever I try rebuilding the search index, I get the eternally spinning ball and PM no longer responding. I tried booting from my external drive that I use as a clone back-up, and I get the same behaviors that I get when I use my computer's internal drive. Any suggestions? Thanks! Ken
Re: PowerMail lost all my messages, recovery help requested
Douglas Carnall said: What's so great about a proprietary mail program that trashes your messages, then charges you get them back? That it gets the messages back? Any way, it's not CTM that charges for Powermail Salvage. It's a third party developer. PM 5.2.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/400Mhz | 1GB RAM | 30GB HD
PowerMail lost all my messages, recovery help requested
Hi all, Well I checked my mail today and about half way through it reported an error. I pressed OK and the alert came back. I dismissed literally dozens of these messages but they wouldn't stop. So I force quit PM. I then relaunched and held option and did a rebuild but when it was done I ended up with 0 messages!!! All my folders were still there but there were no messages in any of them. Ack! I check that 'view only unread' was not chosen. In my PowerMail Files folder there is a Message Database.old file which is very close to 2 GB (2 147 482 894 bytes-- very close). If I remove the ..old extension and launch PM it rebuilds indexes but then gives the error: Class=DB ; what = 4; when = 7; err = 37 I believe this was the original error I saw also. If I try a low level rebuild it gives the error: Class=DB ; what = 100; when = 100; err = 493 These message so are vague, its hard to troubleshoot! I'm guessing it's complaining about the 2 GB limit. I guess I've been playing with fire being so close to 2 GB for so long, but I always hope that tomorrow there will be a new PM without that limitation. (After all, the 64-bit File Manager APIs were introduced in Mac OS 9, 7 years ago!!! Hello CTM!) I have a backup of course, but its a few weeks old. Any suggestion on how I can get my messages back? Thanks! Sean (via good ol' pine :) )
seeking help changing from Entourage to PowerMail
I've just bought PowerMail (and Foxtrot) and am looking forward to moving from Entourage (X.1.1), which I've used for years. Having read the manual, I was unable to find (though maybe I missed it) the info I'm looking for and would appreciate it if anyone could point me to a good source of info or offer suggestions. My Entourage address book contains over 1,000 individuals and groups. What is the best way to transfer those names and groups to PowerMail? The messages of the past years are stored in a large number of folders in Entourage. Is there any way to move these folders to PowerMail? If it's relevant, I use Tiger (10.4.4) on a G4. Thanks for any help you can provide. Ken
Re: List archives? (not going to help me after all)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing. I would have never thought Spell Checker with these crashes. But you seem to be on to something. I cannot check spelling in TextEdit. So what do I do now? Well, I don't know. A few people had a similar problem, but I don't remember of a unique solution. Some had installed a third party dictionary, some had something corrupted in their preferences... You can start by repairing the disk permissions using Disk Utility. Then you can try removing files related to spell checking from your home/ Library/Preferences folder. You can also check if spell checking works from another Mac OS X user account, and eventually move all your files to a new account... Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - There's a reason Mac users from different countries have chosen this very good program. 1) It just works. 2) It's not bloated like some other mail applications. 3) And it's better than Mail, the program that comes with OS X. Honest. Would I recommend PowerMail? Definitely. PowerMail user comment on www.versiontracker.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: List archives? (not going to help me after all)
Amazing. I would have never thought Spell Checker with these crashes. But you
seem to be on to something. I cannot check spelling in TextEdit. So what do I
do now?
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Leslie
PowerMail Engineering wrote:
Maybe there is a problem with the spell checker. Can you successfully
check spelling with other applications, TextEdit for example?
If it is not a spell checker problem, can you send me in private a crash
log? Crash logs are stored in your {home}/Library/Logs/CrashReporter folder.
Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering
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There is almost nothing that you cannot do with PowerMail. Now that
it will integrate the OS X address book and OS X spell checking,
it's going to be one incredible email agent.
PowerMail user comment on www.macupdate.com
Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com
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Re: List archives? (not going to help me after all)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I started up PowerMail I downloaded my mail just fine. But when I
tried to open a message, any message, new or old, the program quits.
When I hit reply to any message in the list, the program quits.
Maybe there is a problem with the spell checker. Can you successfully
check spelling with other applications, TextEdit for example?
If it is not a spell checker problem, can you send me in private a crash
log? Crash logs are stored in your {home}/Library/Logs/CrashReporter folder.
Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering
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There is almost nothing that you cannot do with PowerMail. Now that
it will integrate the OS X address book and OS X spell checking,
it's going to be one incredible email agent.
PowerMail user comment on www.macupdate.com
Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com
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Re: List archives? (not going to help me after all)
Thank you. I noticed that the list archives only go through the middle of 2004. Since my problem is related to OS X 10.4.3 I don't think they're going to help me. So here's my problem. After being reassured that it was finally stable, I upgraded from 10.3 to Tiger. I have the lastest update as of yesterday. I also upgraded PowerMail from 5.1 to the latest version 5.2.1. I followed instructions for the upgrade and imported my existing mail database. I also chose to make it compatible with Spotlight. When I started up PowerMail I downloaded my mail just fine. But when I tried to open a message, any message, new or old, the program quits. When I hit reply to any message in the list, the program quits. Basically any function other than downloading mail or deleting it without reading causes the program to quit. Any ideas for me based on the info I've given? I love this program, I'm an old Claris Emailer devotee. I tried other mail programs but they don't live up to this one. I don't want to give it up. And I hate the web mail program that my ISP offers. I hope you can help. I do have backups to work with. Thanks, Leslie Barbara Needham wrote: A-NO-NE Music on 11/14/05 said [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2005/11/14 / 12:50 PM wrote: I just joined this list because I have a problem. Can anyone tell me if there is a way to access list archives? I hate to bother you all with a problem that's been solved already in the past. This is the only one available: http://pmdiscuss.ctmdev.com/ But don't be afraid to ask your question. We don't bite, mostly. -- Barbara Needham
Re: SPAM problem needs help
Jeremy Hughes wrote at 3:02 pm (+0100) on 27 9 2005: http://pmdiscuss.ctmdev.com/ Wow, that's news to me... people have asked on this list, repeatedly over the past several years, about whether there is an archive, and the answer has always been no. When was this implemented? -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Re: SPAM problem needs help
Mikael Byström (27/9/05 3:35 pm) said: Great, but emailaddresses should anonymized. It looks like they are normally - but there are problems if someone includes an email address within the content of their email (e.g. in a quote attribution). Jeremy
Re: SPAM problem needs help
Jeremy Hughes sez: AN NO NE said: Still, I wish this list could smudge email address when viewed in public so crawler couldn't get it. Wayne Brissette (27/9/05 2:44 pm) said: Since the list doesn't archive things anywhere I'm not sure what you're referring to. http://pmdiscuss.ctmdev.com/ Jeremy Cool. I didn't realize that had been implemented. Well, if any on us don't like it, for example wanting email addresses taken out or munged, it does say this on that page: If you think you can offer the PowerMail user community a better implementation of a searchable list archive, please do ! In order to get you started, here is a Stuffit X archive containing all of the digests below converted as individual HTML files. I'm just surprised to see it goes all the way back to 2000! :) It's only got message sup to June 2004 right now, though. Hmmm... Does CTM actually maintain that now, or was trying it out at some point? -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com
Re: SPAM problem needs help
Jeremy Hughes said: http://pmdiscuss.ctmdev.com/ Great, but emailaddresses should anonymized. PM 5.2.1 | OS X 10.3.9 | Powerbook G4/400 | 768MB RAM | 30GB HD
Re: SPAM problem needs help
I guess I really have been out of the loop for a while. I didn't realize there was an archive anywhere! Now I understand. Wayne -Original Message- From: Jeremy Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 27, 2005 9:02 AM To: PowerMail Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SPAM problem needs help Wayne Brissette (27/9/05 2:44 pm) said: Since the list doesn't archive things anywhere I'm not sure what you're referring to. http://pmdiscuss.ctmdev.com/ Jeremy
SPAM problem needs help
If you google my address subscribed to this list, there are hits coming from this list and one other. Probably because of this, my address has been used to SPAM other people, and I am getting complaints. I was trying to convince the other parties the SPAMER is not me, but to my surprise, the source of the original SPAM from my address redirected back to me upon my request shows nothing but Return Path as header shows. I thought I used to be able to see the real IP in source Any help would be appreciated. -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
Re: Disappearing Folder - Need Help!
On Saturday, September 24, 2005, Tom Miller sent forth: Not impossible, but this is an iMac G5 and I'm a 12 year Mac user and a 4 year PM user who hasn't had so much as a beer in the last three weeks. 3 WEEKS ?!? That's way too long. You need an IV drip stat! :-) Don't you know that beer is 1/4 of the 4 main GUY food groups? The others are: Meat Grease Chips -- Tim Lapin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disappearing Folder - Need Help!
On 9/24/05, at 11:20 PM, Mikael Byström, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Open the old DB by changing the user environment, export that folder to PowerMail Exchange format and change back to the new DB by changing the user environment again. Then import that folder. Mikael, while I was unsure about using user environment, although I did see that in the File menu, I did export the folder from the old DB and import into the newer one. I have since rebuilt the DB so PM ought to be in good shape and I'll clone this HD to my FWHD. Probably, you accidentally deleted the folder. Perhaps you have a Powerbook with tap-activation? Not impossible, but this is an iMac G5 and I'm a 12 year Mac user and a 4 year PM user who hasn't had so much as a beer in the last three weeks. Thanks for the help!! Tom Miller ... The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark
Re: Disappearing Folder - Need Help!
Tom Miller said: Would rebuilding the DB help? I have a week-old cloned version of my HD on an external drive -- is there anyway to transfer that one folder from this back-up to my current DB? Open the old DB by changing the user environment, export that folder to PowerMail Exchange format and change back to the new DB by changing the user environment again. Then import that folder. Probably, you accidentally deleted the folder. Perhaps you have a Powerbook with tap-activation? PM 5.2.1 | OS X 10.3.9 | Powerbook G4/400 | 768MB RAM | 30GB HD
Disappearing Folder - Need Help!
A folder just disappeared from PM -- latest version of PM, latest OS. I just noticed it when messages that are normally filtered to that folder started showing up in my In Tray. Can't explain how this happened -- was okay last night. Would rebuilding the DB help? I have a week-old cloned version of my HD on an external drive -- is there anyway to transfer that one folder from this back-up to my current DB? Tom Miller ... The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark
Re: Script Help
On Tue, Aug 23, 200510:44 PM, the following words from Larry Samberg [EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ... I can't tell if this is supposed to be easy or hard ... but I can't do it :) Can anybody tell me the applescript steps to simply copy the text source of a message to the clipboard? Thanks in advance. Here's one way to do that: to putOnClipboard from the textGiven set the clipboard to the textGiven end putOnClipboard tell application PowerMail 5.1 set the msgList to the current messages set the targetMsg to (the first item of (the msgList)) set the msgSource to the targetMsg's source putOnClipboard of me from the msgSource end tell -- Death is not the worst evil, but rather when we wish to die and cannot. - Sophocles:Electra, 1007.
Script Help
I can't tell if this is supposed to be easy or hard ... but I can't do it :) Can anybody tell me the applescript steps to simply copy the text source of a message to the clipboard? Thanks in advance. -- Larry S. Samberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] VM/Fax: 270-514-0557 Skype: larrysamberg Things that can't go on forever, don't Herbert Stein
Help, Jerome!
Hello, Jerome - I'm writing this in Mail because my PM is completely down, and I can't get to, or remember your address. PM cannot send. Trying to do so locks everything up. It will receive, but very very slowly, and even then, it's iffy. Then it started crashing I've tried all the database rebuilds, flushed all the caches I could find, repaired permissions, ran DiskWarrior. My Mac is very well backed, and I tried replacing the PowerMail folder in /Library/Mail, and the ctm and PowerMail pref's, as well as the PM application folder (from backup and a fresh download). I did this over various dates going back two weeks, but none of these files worked. So I would guess that it is not a database or corrupted prefs problem. I have the most recent crash log. It seems to be a computer problem, but then I don't know how to read these things. Let me know and I'll send it. Thanks. Tony
Re(2): Reply Help [u]
I wish that was the problem..I'd understand that. To make it even weirder, it was only doing it part of the time. I switched the html setting to have it NOT prefer html when plain text is available..maybe that will fix it. Thanks for everyone's help. John Pat O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that on 24/2/05 at 9:16 pm John Maylone spake thus: Second, I have my Powermail set to quote the text of the message being replied to, but it ALWAYS cuts off a some portion of the first part of text in that message; sometimes a line, sometimes a good portion of a paragraph, and I CANNOT fix that with a cut and paste.it won't let me!!! This is hugely annoying, and I feel like an idiot sending out replies to butchered mails. You don't have part of the text highlighted when hitting reply do you? It will only quote the highlighted part if there is any. Just a thought. -- Pat O'Halloran http://www.danu.co.uk Getting an education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease. It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on - Terry Pratchett
Re(2): Reply Help [u]
Thanks Andy, I knew that the reply thing could be fixed, I just couldn't find the place to do it. As far as the quoting text in a reply thing goes, it is not doing that on EVERY reply, just most of them. When I get another one that that feature doesn't work on, I'll check it out and see if I can better define what I can and can't do in that mode. Regards, John Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2005, John Maylone said: I have two questions/ issues. First, is there a way to set PM 5.1 up so that when I reply, the reply to address shown for me matches my address that was on the message being replied to? Right now, no matter which of my addresses a message is sent to, all replys have the same default address. In your Setup Mail Schedulings and Locations... look in the Locations tab. Make sure the checkbox for 'Also use this account when replying' is unchecked. Then you should be replying using the same account that received the message. Second, I have my Powermail set to quote the text of the message being replied to, but it ALWAYS cuts off a some portion of the first part of text in that message; sometimes a line, sometimes a good portion of a paragraph, and I CANNOT fix that with a cut and paste.it won't let me!!! This is hugely annoying, and I feel like an idiot sending out replies to butchered mails. I've no idea about this one. I don't see it. -- Andy Fragen .
Re: Reply Help [u]
On Thu, Feb 24, 2005, John Maylone said: I have two questions/ issues. First, is there a way to set PM 5.1 up so that when I reply, the reply to address shown for me matches my address that was on the message being replied to? Right now, no matter which of my addresses a message is sent to, all replys have the same default address. In your Setup Mail Schedulings and Locations... look in the Locations tab. Make sure the checkbox for 'Also use this account when replying' is unchecked. Then you should be replying using the same account that received the message. Second, I have my Powermail set to quote the text of the message being replied to, but it ALWAYS cuts off a some portion of the first part of text in that message; sometimes a line, sometimes a good portion of a paragraph, and I CANNOT fix that with a cut and paste.it won't let me!!! This is hugely annoying, and I feel like an idiot sending out replies to butchered mails. I've no idea about this one. I don't see it. -- Andy Fragen
Re: Reply Help [u]
Look under Setup - Mail Scheduling and Locations - Locations and uncheck default account for replying Midi John caused electrons to hula in cyberspace with: First, is there a way to set PM 5.1 up so that when I reply, the reply to address shown for me matches my address that was on the message being replied to? Right now, no matter which of my addresses a message is sent to, all replys have the same default address.
Reply Help [u]
I have two questions/ issues. First, is there a way to set PM 5.1 up so that when I reply, the reply to address shown for me matches my address that was on the message being replied to? Right now, no matter which of my addresses a message is sent to, all replys have the same default address. Second, I have my Powermail set to quote the text of the message being replied to, but it ALWAYS cuts off a some portion of the first part of text in that message; sometimes a line, sometimes a good portion of a paragraph, and I CANNOT fix that with a cut and paste.it won't let me!!! This is hugely annoying, and I feel like an idiot sending out replies to butchered mails. Thanks for any help, John
Re: Help! Trouble with compacting database
This problem is fixed with release 5.1. The download I got from the PM 5.1 main download link (faster), namely, http://homepage.sunrise.ch/mysunrise/ctm/pm5.dmg gives me a PowerMail _5.0.2_ folder and a PowerMail _5.0.2_ app inside. Labeled that way anyhow. Didn't run it to find out. Tried both last night on receiving the e-mail announcement and just now (12:15 pm at -5 GMT or so). Chris --
Re: Help! Trouble with compacting database
C.S. Mo wrote: I'm running PowerMail 5.1 under MacOSX 10.2.8, PowerMail recently crashed because my mail database reached 2048mb. I've tried compacting the database, but I just get a message that There is only 2048mb free, 2079mb required.. This problem is fixed with release 5.1. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - I wouldn't trade my MAC for anything, neither would I trade PowerMail for anything. Steve Tarpin, PowerMail user Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re(3): I NEED HELP ASAP! - PS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BUT, I did make an exported Mail file, before attempting the upgrade. What can I do with that? Import it into PM 5 perhaps. -- Regards, Kjell Olausson http://www.kio.nu Alingsås, Sweden Windows 2000 - 32-bit extensions and graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
Re(3): I NEED HELP ASAP!
selecto only one folder and export that. folder by folder. then you will see which folder contains the corrupt message(s) and can narrow it further down. ---marlyse former message(s) quotes: - On trying to export, I get the assistant. I follow the prompts, screen # 3 gets me save, and when I try, I get a dialog box saying A Powermail engine error occurred. So I can't export anything. Now what?
Re(3): I NEED HELP ASAP! - PS
BUT, I did make an exported Mail file, before attempting the upgrade. What can I do with that? thanks On trying to export, I get the assistant. I follow the prompts, screen # 3 gets me save, and when I try, I get a dialog box saying A Powermail engine error occurred. So I can't export anything. Now what? Thanks Rick, When I attempted an upgrade from 4.2 to 5.0, all hell broke loose! Upon starting up, the sort index function started, got to the end, and then the app quit (5.0). Can you send me a crash log? Crash logs are stored in your Library/Logs/ CrashReporter folder. (With Mac OS X older than 10.3, you first have to enable crash reporting in the preferences of the Console application). BUT, any attempt at using the sorting function takes me through the process , sorting 15,000 messages, and then at the very end I get the above problem again. Do you mean the search function? If so, the crash occurs when reindexing your database. If you can't fix the problem with the low level rebuild (and if disk utilities do not help), you can disable indexing from the preferences, then export your database to the PowerMail Exchange format. Note that, as somethings seems badly corrupted in your DB, the export will probably crash as well, so the best is to select all your folders, and export the selected mail folder; if a crash occurs, the corrupted message is located in the last exported mailbox. You can then export this folder in several steps, by selecting groups of messages and exporting the selected messages. Once you have successfully exported all the non corrupted messages, quit PM, remove the corrupted Message Database file from your PowerMail user folder, relaunch PM, reactivate the indexing, and import the exported data. You will have to verify all your filters after that, because it will break the move to folder ones. Best regards Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - The powerful tools and superior usefulness of PowerMail certainly make it a better choice for me and my business than Entourage or Eudora. Jaede Miloslavich, PowerMail user Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re(2): I NEED HELP ASAP!
On trying to export, I get the assistant. I follow the prompts, screen # 3 gets me save, and when I try, I get a dialog box saying A Powermail engine error occurred. So I can't export anything. Now what? Thanks Rick, When I attempted an upgrade from 4.2 to 5.0, all hell broke loose! Upon starting up, the sort index function started, got to the end, and then the app quit (5.0). Can you send me a crash log? Crash logs are stored in your Library/Logs/ CrashReporter folder. (With Mac OS X older than 10.3, you first have to enable crash reporting in the preferences of the Console application). BUT, any attempt at using the sorting function takes me through the process , sorting 15,000 messages, and then at the very end I get the above problem again. Do you mean the search function? If so, the crash occurs when reindexing your database. If you can't fix the problem with the low level rebuild (and if disk utilities do not help), you can disable indexing from the preferences, then export your database to the PowerMail Exchange format. Note that, as somethings seems badly corrupted in your DB, the export will probably crash as well, so the best is to select all your folders, and export the selected mail folder; if a crash occurs, the corrupted message is located in the last exported mailbox. You can then export this folder in several steps, by selecting groups of messages and exporting the selected messages. Once you have successfully exported all the non corrupted messages, quit PM, remove the corrupted Message Database file from your PowerMail user folder, relaunch PM, reactivate the indexing, and import the exported data. You will have to verify all your filters after that, because it will break the move to folder ones. Best regards Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - The powerful tools and superior usefulness of PowerMail certainly make it a better choice for me and my business than Entourage or Eudora. Jaede Miloslavich, PowerMail user Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: I NEED HELP ASAP!
I was probably the first one to encounter this problem. This was clearly caused by new indexing engine introduced with PM5. I hope CTMDev is taking a hard look at this. In my case, PMSalvage ($50!) did not help, but just wasting my two days to find it couldn't transfer most of my mails in Japanese. You might not have this problem if no multi-byte message in your dB. I ended up with exporting from PM5, importing to PM4, rebuild database then reimport back to PM5. Since then, PM5 has been working just fine. The entire process took me 10 days. I do not believe my PM4 database was somewhat less than kosher. My strong believe was that PM5 background indexing in some point made a few old messages corrupted. -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
Re(2): I NEED HELP ASAP!
Since you saved your old files and you were able to go back to 4.2, first try starting up powermail 4.2 with both the apple and alt keys down - then click all the boxes to rebuild the database files, and disable all indexing. That might be enough to repair any damage and let you upgrade. I tried that. It didn't help. in my wife's case, this still did not let us upgrade - apparently there were still corrupt messages in her database file still that screwed up PM5 - and when building the sort index, it choked on these messages. Apparently that's the case with me. You have to find them and get rid of them, which can only be done by tedious trial and error. There are 15,000 messages in the Database! It's impossible. Are you telling me that the Message Database File is corrupted in some way and can't be fixed otherwise? If so, by paying$$ and upgrading, I've lost all sorting functions for all existing messages? Holy ^%$*!!! And if so, how do I ever get PM 5.0 to even open?? Rick
I NEED HELP ASAP!
Hi When I attempted an upgrade from 4.2 to 5.0, all hell broke loose! Upon starting up, the sort index function started, got to the end, and then the app quit (5.0). I went back and tried to open with 4.2, and the same thing happens, except I get a dialog box that says Power Mail Engine error occured There are two buttons. the More Info yields another dialog box that says Class = MAS, what= 1, when=100. Clicking the OK button DOES NOT clear the dialog box. Meanwhile, I can see my browser window open, but can't access it since I can't past the endless loop of the non-working dialog box. It iwas necessary to Force Quit. I was able to work around the problem by bypassing the sorting function. I did that by first trashing the Message database index file within the PowerMail Files Folder,then opening 4.2 , and then selecting the PowerMail Files Folder ( which still had the Message databse file but not the Message database index file). BUT, any attempt at using the sorting function takes me through the process , sorting 15,000 messages, and then at the very end I get the above problem again. What's wrong and what can I do? Thanks Rick Thanks Rick PS: I'm on digest mode. Please e-mail me direct
I NEED HELP ASAP!
Hi When I attempted an upgrade from 4.2 to 5.0, all hell broke loose! Upon starting up, the sort index function started, got to the end, and then the app quit (5.0). I went back and tried to open with 4.2, and the same thing happens, except I get a dialog box that says Power Mail Engine error occured There are two buttons. the More Info yields another dialog box that says Class = MAS, what= 1, when=100. Clicking the OK button DOES NOT clear the dialog box. Meanwhile, I can see my browser window open, but can't access it since I can't past the endless loop of the non-working dialog box. It iwas necessary to Force Quit. I was able to work around the problem by bypassing the sorting function. I did that by first trashing the Message database index file within the PowerMail Files Folder,then opening 4.2 , and then selecting the PowerMail Files Folder ( which still had the Message databse file but not the Message database index file). BUT, any attempt at using the sorting function takes me through the process , sorting 15,000 messages, and then at the very end I get the above problem again. What's wrong and what can I do? Thanks Rick Thanks Rick PS: I'm on digest mode. Please e-mail me direct
I NEED HELP ASAP!
Hi When I attempted an upgrade from 4.2 to 5.0, all hell broke loose! Upon starting up, the sort index function started, got to the end, and then the app quit (5.0). I went back and tried to open with 4.2, and the same thing happens, except I get a dialog box that says Power Mail Engine error occured There are two buttons. the More Info yields another dialog box that says Class = MAS, what= 1, when=100. Clicking the OK button DOES NOT clear the dialog box. Meanwhile, I can see my browser window open, but can't access it since I can't past the endless loop of the non-working dialog box. It iwas necessary to Force Quit. I was able to work around the problem by bypassing the sorting function. I did that by first trashing the Message database index file within the PowerMail Files Folder,then opening 4.2 , and then selecting the PowerMail Files Folder ( which still had the Message databse file but not the Message database index file). BUT, any attempt at using the sorting function takes me through the process , sorting 15,000 messages, and then at the very end I get the above problem again. What's wrong and what can I do? Thanks Rick Thanks Rick PS: I'm on digest mode. Please e-mail me direct
Re: Search needs help
A-NO-NE Music wrote: I see I should had used Content instead of From or To, and I should had not used - negation as manual said? In your case, you probably want to search for [To]. The - operator (as well as | and ) is to be used only when using the [matches the search pattern] criterion. These operators are ignored when using the 4 first criterion. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - I've never seen any search engine work this fast on this much info before in my life Scott T. Hards, PowerMail user Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: Search needs help
PowerMail Engineering / 04.8.12 / 4:20AM wrote: - do not contain can only be used in addition to another criterion (for example: [content] [includes the exact phrase] [a-no-ne.com], [content] [does not include the words] [hiro]) Thank you Jérôme, It worked! I see I should had used Content instead of From or To, and I should had not used - negation as manual said? -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
Re: Search needs help
A-NO-NE Music wrote: I want to find all the addresses under @a-no-ne.com excluding the real ones such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] My problem is that I can't make them excluded from PM5 search. Do not contain option is grayed (why?). I tried [-[EMAIL PROTECTED] ne.com] as manual sez but still no exclusion, with or without the quote signs. - do not contain can only be used in addition to another criterion (for example: [content] [includes the exact phrase] [a-no-ne.com], [content] [does not include the words] [hiro]) - do not contain can only be used for words, not for exact phrases Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - I tried PowerMail, and gladly PAID for it. It is blazing fast at searches on large databases, and I need and want that. It has excellent filtering, far more powerful than Mail, both incoming and outgoing. The Recent Mail browser is worth the price alone. PowerMail user comment on www.macupdate.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: Search needs help
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / 04.8.11 / 6:12PM wrote: The best spam filter is webmail. I still need to shut off catch all since I get bounced SPAM mail which has my domain name as the sender. Again, I need to find out all the garbage email addresses I created for catch all throughout PM data base, and exclude search should work, no? I was beginning to wonder if the reason of search not working is because my domain name contains hyphens. -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
Re: Search needs help
The best spam filter is webmail. 1. Use webmail and log into your pop account. My Isp has one, or you can use Panadmail or others. I just start Safari and Powermail at the same time, and log in through webmail using Safari. Then... 2. Select all 3. Look down the list and uncheck the ones you want to keep. This way the spam is still selected. 4. Delete cleans out all the spam and leaves the good stuff 5. log out and then switch to Powermail. (Using my Kensington 4-button trackball it's the upper left button, scroll to Powermail click. 6. log in with Powermail and just download the remaining contents of your mailbox. I can clean 120 emails in about 2 minutes this way, usually keeping 3-4. The only trick is not to do it backwards and keep the ones you want to trash and trash the ones you want to keep. I have done this. No big deal. If it's important they'll email again.
Search needs help
Background: I am in a mess because my server has catch all. I am now receiving over 120 SPAM mails within every 3-4 hours. PM5's SPAM filter feature is great, but I am tired of checking them before deleting. Once in a while I find legit one. This is SPAM Assassin's fault, tho. Whenever I make online purchase, I used to give a new email address, i.e., [EMAIL PROTECTED] This way, I was able to identify if the place is SPAMming me or sold my address to someone else. It used to work 6-7 years ago this way. Not anymore. So, I want to shut off catch all switch, especially my domain address is now used to other people too, but since I still need to receive some legit emails under these catch all addresses, I now have to create these accounts to make them real addresses. The problem is that I don't remember all of them. So, here comes the problem I am having. I want to find all the addresses under @a-no-ne.com excluding the real ones such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] My problem is that I can't make them excluded from PM5 search. Do not contain option is grayed (why?). I tried [-[EMAIL PROTECTED] ne.com] as manual sez but still no exclusion, with or without the quote signs. Just for the heck of it, I tried ! as in RegEx but to no avail. Do you know what I am doing wrong? -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
Re: Can anyone help?
I think you can import them with the Database import function. Then choose Outlook ... All the best Matthias --- schmidt-systemdevelopment http://www.schmidt-system.com iChat/AIM: MatKoyasan Tel. +31-736-56-3905 --- Am/On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:36:32 +0100 schrieb/wrote Stuart Freedman: I just joined the group and have a question that I'm sure has come up before, so apologies if this is completely obvious. I'm trying to 'merge' a whole load of messages (that are in Outlook Express and are held within an OS9 format on a hard drive) to my Powermail folder on my OSX mac... Any ideas on the best way to do this? Sorry again if I am being dense... Many thanks in advance. Stuart -- Stuart Freedman www.stuartfreedman.com www.networkphotographers.com/sfreedman
Can anyone help?
I just joined the group and have a question that I'm sure has come up before, so apologies if this is completely obvious. I'm trying to 'merge' a whole load of messages (that are in Outlook Express and are held within an OS9 format on a hard drive) to my Powermail folder on my OSX mac... Any ideas on the best way to do this? Sorry again if I am being dense... Many thanks in advance. Stuart -- Stuart Freedman www.stuartfreedman.com www.networkphotographers.com/sfreedman
Re: [AS] need help
cheshirekat 5-07-2004: To use this script... It works!! I don't see the text signatures as a property of a message, so it appears it isn't possible to add a text signature to messages. well, I can select the right signature manually ;-) -- marco osti | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.mosti.pair.com
Re: [AS] need help
On Mon, Jul 5, 200411:27 AM, the following words from marco osti
[EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ...
I have this script someone here suggested to me (tnx); it's pretty
fine if it'll open the message window instead of creating the new
message and place it in out tray as draft. I opened the as
dictionary of powermail: closed just in time avoiding injury :-(
tell application PowerMail
activate
account [EMAIL PROTECTED]
make new message with properties {subject:ordine #54575, recipient:
{name [EMAIL PROTECTED]}}
open message
end tell
I'm very sorry about this /again-once more/ request but I lost the
relative messages: which way do you prefer to create/use a template
message for a daily order? I need to select my relative account
put the same subject, some address, some signature.
Here is an example:
Begin AppleScript
property subj : Please read - details inside.
property msgTxt : Important Information for you.
property rTo : Mr. Nobody [EMAIL PROTECTED]
property acct : Name of the Account
property fldrN : Business -- put the name of your folder choice
tell application PowerMail
set the newM to make new message with properties {subject:subj,
content:msgTxt, recipient:rTo, account:acct} at message container fldrN
open the newM
end tell
End AppleScript
I think new messages are automatically created in the Out Tray, unless
you tell PowerMail in your script to create the new message in another
message folder. If you delete the at message container fldrN part
above, your message will be created in the Out Tray.
To use this script, just change the values/data of the properties at the
top. For instance, the rTo property is the person you are sending the
message to. You can change it to something like, cheshirekat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or a list of names like, cheshirekat
[EMAIL PROTECTED], marco osti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't see the text signatures as a property of a message, so it appears
it isn't possible to add a text signature to messages. I haven't tried to
do so, but if it is possible others will know about it, though it should
be in the dictionary.
HTH
cheshirekat
--
Music . . . can name the unnameable and communicate the unknowable.
- Leonard Bernstein (1918 - 1990)
* 867 PowerBook G4 * OS X 10.2.8 * 768 MB Ram *
Re: HELP! My key has been invalidated
Sherman said: I quit and relaunched PowerMail b12 this morning, and now it says my license key has been invalidated. I can't send or receive anything! Just to let people know: CTM responded almost immediately (thank you!!!). I fixed this problem by deleting all previous keys (one was in Library/ Preferences, an old key for PM 4, if that matters), downloading a new copy of the PM 5b12 folder, and dropping the key file onto the PM application (which was not running). I'm back up and running PM. Thank god, only 15 minutes in Mail ;-) Still, I wonder why this happened all of a sudden... -- Sherman
HELP! My key has been invalidated
I quit and relaunched PowerMail b12 this morning, and now it says my license key has been invalidated. I can't send or receive anything! I downloaded a new copy of b12, with a key that clearly says it expires on 5/30/04, and I still get the same message: my key has been invalidated. My clock shows me my computer is set correctly. What's going on here? HELP! -- Sherman
Filter/Scripting Help?
Folks, I am trying to set up some filters to trap spam. I have a couple of issues: 1) How do I get messages to NOT appear in the recent mail window without putting them in the trash? I have tried ending my filters with 'Don't notify', but the messages still appear in the recent mail. 2) Much of the spam that I receive has multiple addressees at my ISP. I have been successful at filtering those messages that: a) have my ISP (eznet.net) appearing in the To: field, but my email address is in neither the To: nor the CC: fields, or b) have my ISP appearing in either the To: or CC: field, with my email address appearing in the other field. What I haven't been able to figure out is how to filter a message if the To: field contains more than one email address on my ISP, including my own. These typically contain no CC: field. Any suggestions? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Don V. Zahniser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Composed on Powerbook 1400cs, 117MHz, 64MB RAM, Mac OS 8.6
Re(6): Needing Help Sending Email from Domain Accounts
On 07 2 2004 at 9:22 am -0500, Paul Raybould wrote: So, could it be just checking the mail first? Again, why can't you ask your server administrator this? There is a scheme called POP-before-SMTP which is a poor man's version of authenticated SMTP. Basically, if the server receives a successful POP3 login from a given IP address, it will then temporarily allow SMTP relaying from the same IP address. Kind of like walking up to a McDonald's after hours, tapping on the drive-through window to place an order, after which they will unlock the front door for 5 minutes. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Re(6): Needing Help Sending Email from Domain Accounts
Ok, My server administrator weighs in... You can Paul, I have the same Comcast you do. Comcast does not block Port 25 which is the standard mail port. Now I know there are ISPs that do block Port 25 (Roadrunner for example) and force you to use their SMTP mail server to prevent SPAM. However, what I do on all servers is to run Exim (the mail server) on Port 26 as well as Port 25. This provides an alternate mail port to overcome this very issue. All you would do is change your mail Port (In Outlook it's in the advanced settings) to Port 26 and you're in business, you can send mail from the server if your ISP blocks Port 25. I'm positive it's not Comcast though, I use Port 25 and rarely ever use Comcast to send mail. So, could it be just checking the mail first? Paul in the basic account setup (setup: accounts): identity = what I want the receiver to see and use as reply-to address on outgoing mail (e.g. mancostudios) receiving = the email account I am checking (e.g. eudoramail) sending = the isp I use to send messages (e.g. my hustbands server) if I for example want to send out via my eudoramail account, I first have to check that account - some authentication which needs to be established before eudoramail allows me to send. yahoo used to be the same when I had used it as POP3 account. there are some ISPs which do not allow to send out via another server. Comcast and also Earthlink are like this, as far as I know. I have a client who uses Earthlink and his 'sending' is set to his Earthlink account / data, but 'identity' and 'receiving' are via his own domain name. hope this makes sense. ---marlyse --- former message(s) quotes: I'm not sure I understand... Do you mean from the pull-down 'Account:' menu - that's right next to the send button at the top? Thanks for the thought! Let me know what you mean. Paul In a situation like this (for example for an eudoramail.com account I have), I will enter my mancostudios.com email address as the REPLY-TO address. This might be all that you need? ---marlyse --- former message(s) quotes: These days, it is almost impossible to use out-net SMTP. Why not use in- net SMTP (use your ISP's SMTP)? I am using mostly comcast... I have to, but there are times when I want my domain's name associated with my email.
Re(6): Needing Help Sending Email from Domain Accounts
Thanks Marlyse, I think it might be the authentication matter... sending or checking the account immediately prior to sending. if I for example want to send out via my eudoramail account, I first have to check that account - some authentication which needs to be established It just worked for me. If Comcast applies this - it is intermittently. I'll try to always check first, and then send. there are some ISPs which do not allow to send out via another server. Comcast and also Earthlink are like this, as far as I know. I have a client who uses Earthlink and his 'sending' is set to his Earthlink account / data, but 'identity' and 'receiving' are via his own domain name. I hope that's it. Regards, Paul
Re(5): Needing Help Sending Email from Domain Accounts
in the basic account setup (setup: accounts): identity = what I want the receiver to see and use as reply-to address on outgoing mail (e.g. mancostudios) receiving = the email account I am checking (e.g. eudoramail) sending = the isp I use to send messages (e.g. my hustbands server) if I for example want to send out via my eudoramail account, I first have to check that account - some authentication which needs to be established before eudoramail allows me to send. yahoo used to be the same when I had used it as POP3 account. there are some ISPs which do not allow to send out via another server. Comcast and also Earthlink are like this, as far as I know. I have a client who uses Earthlink and his 'sending' is set to his Earthlink account / data, but 'identity' and 'receiving' are via his own domain name. hope this makes sense. ---marlyse --- former message(s) quotes: I'm not sure I understand... Do you mean from the pull-down 'Account:' menu - that's right next to the send button at the top? Thanks for the thought! Let me know what you mean. Paul In a situation like this (for example for an eudoramail.com account I have), I will enter my mancostudios.com email address as the REPLY-TO address. This might be all that you need? ---marlyse --- former message(s) quotes: These days, it is almost impossible to use out-net SMTP. Why not use in- net SMTP (use your ISP's SMTP)? I am using mostly comcast... I have to, but there are times when I want my domain's name associated with my email.
Re(3): Needing Help Sending Email from Domain Accounts
Thanks Hiro, Does anyone else on Comcast have this issue? Ironically, I used to be able to send out from my com-advantage.com mail server... then one day it became intermittent. Usually generating an error. Paul Comcast definitely forces you to use smtp.comcast.net to prevent from spamming. At least that is how my Concast service does. I doubt this is PM related problem because Concast told me about this when I asked them why I can't use mail.a-no-ne.com for my SMTP.
Re(3): Needing Help Sending Email from Domain Accounts
In a situation like this (for example for an eudoramail.com account I have), I will enter my mancostudios.com email address as the REPLY-TO address. This might be all that you need? ---marlyse --- former message(s) quotes: These days, it is almost impossible to use out-net SMTP. Why not use in- net SMTP (use your ISP's SMTP)? I am using mostly comcast... I have to, but there are times when I want my domain's name associated with my email.
Re(2): Needing Help Sending Email from Domain Accounts
Paul Raybould / 2/6/2004 / 6:24 PM wrote: These days, it is almost impossible to use out-net SMTP. Why not use in- net SMTP (use your ISP's SMTP)? I am using mostly comcast... I have to, but there are times when I want my domain's name associated with my email. Let me understand this. Your network provider is Comcast and you are trying to send email that shows the mail is sent from your own domain? Comcast definitely forces you to use smtp.comcast.net to prevent from spamming. At least that is how my Concast service does. I doubt this is PM related problem because Concast told me about this when I asked them why I can't use mail.a-no-ne.com for my SMTP. -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
Re(2): Needing Help Sending Email from Domain Accounts
Ben and Andy, Thanks. Do you not have an outbound SMTP server on your LAN that you can use? No. I'm renting/reselling space on well connected servers at TVIhosting.com. Super nice admin. He's spent a lot of time on this and the problem is not on his server. I can send email from my com-advantage.com accounts from other email apps... just not PowerMail. I am using my ISP for mail, but there's a 10 meg limit, and at times, I want to be more professional with the email address reflecting my company. http://www.roadstead.com/weblog/Tutorials/PostfixEnabler.html This looks interesting, but I want to fix what's not working correctly with PM... not use a round about fix. As far as anyone can tell... there's no simple thing that fixes this? Error message posted: http://www.com-advantage.com/powermail.html Paul
Re: Needing Help Sending Email from Domain Accounts
Paul Raybould / 2/6/2004 / 11:18 AM wrote: I've posted the error message to: http://www.com-advantage.com/powermail.html This could meant some spam blocker is at its work. Your ISP doesn't allow routing? Your ISP pings your domain trying to make sure your domain is legit but verification fails? Your SMTP needs specific port for authentication? These days, it is almost impossible to use out-net SMTP. Why not use in- net SMTP (use your ISP's SMTP)? -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
Re: Needing Help Sending Email from Domain Accounts
Paul, If you're running Panther I would suggest looking at Postfix Enabler http://www.roadstead.com/weblog/Tutorials/PostfixEnabler.html and using the built-in Postfix on Panther as your SMTP server. I have my laptop set up this way and all 9 email accounts set the SMTP server in PowerMail as 127.0.0.1. It just works and it has a log. -- Andy Fragen On Fri, Feb 6, 2004, Paul Raybould said: Any help is greatly appreciated! TIA, Paul Raybould Mac G4 867 1.5 Gig PM Carbon 4.2.1
Re: Needing Help Sending Email from Domain Accounts
On 06 2 2004 at 11:18 am -0500, Paul Raybould wrote: The issue seems to involve the difference between the IP address that I have for my network, and the one that's dynamically given by my ISP - Comcast.net. I've posted the error message to: Can you get the mail server administrator to take a look in his maillog and give you the full error message? (the one that is shown in small type at the bottom of the alert box which is cut off after the word is) It would provide some more clue about what might be going wrong. Do you not have an outbound SMTP server on your LAN that you can use? -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Needing Help Sending Email from Domain Accounts
I'm getting error messages* and am not able to send mail out from my domain's mail server. The guy whose server space I'm on has gone more than the extra mile convincing me that the problem is with my email client - PowerMail. I've used PowerMail for years - having migrated from ClarisMail, but can't send mail from my own domain. I'm on my home office's LAN with cable connections and a router. The issue seems to involve the difference between the IP address that I have for my network, and the one that's dynamically given by my ISP - Comcast.net. I've posted the error message to: http://www.com-advantage.com/powermail.html Any help is greatly appreciated! TIA, Paul Raybould Mac G4 867 1.5 Gig PM Carbon 4.2.1
Re: Needing help translating a Swedish word
Max, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: processorsnål and the meaning is something like uses very little of the processor's power I'd probably say something like is very light on CPU power, put only modest demands on CPU power or something similar. has economical power requirement has very small power consumption makes frugal use of power -- Frank Mitchell, Scottsdale, Arizona
Re: Needing help translating a Swedish word
Unfortunately, no Swedish to English option there... Besides, the actual word is a live construction. Swedish is a very flexible language when it comes to word construction -- if the word doesn't exists, we just make up a new word on the fly from two or more words. Everybody will understand the new word, but you are unlikely to find it in any dictionary. Best, Max G At Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:22:44 -0600 (CET), Steven Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried: http://www.freetranslation.com/ -- See you, Steve Mayer Why are they called stands when they are made for sitting? Thanks for your message. You said; Hi, I know this is a bit off topic, but it's for a good cause: I'm trying to translate a nice Swedish review of SpamSieve for Michael Tsai, the developer, and need help translating one Swedish word into English. The word is processorsnål and the meaning is something like uses very little of the processor's power. Thanks for any suggestions. Max G
Re: Needing help translating a Swedish word
Max Gossell on 11/24/03 said Hi, I know this is a bit off topic, but it's for a good cause: I'm trying to translate a nice Swedish review of SpamSieve for Michael Tsai, the developer, and need help translating one Swedish word into English. The word is processorsnål and the meaning is something like uses very little of the processor's power. Thanks for any suggestions. Max G I think that may be the best way to say it. There is no one word, and using something like not CPU intensive [which could work] seems less clear to me than the way you said it. -- Barbara Needham
Re: Needing help translating a Swedish word
Have you tried: http://www.freetranslation.com/ -- See you, Steve Mayer Why are they called stands when they are made for sitting? Thanks for your message. You said; Hi, I know this is a bit off topic, but it's for a good cause: I'm trying to translate a nice Swedish review of SpamSieve for Michael Tsai, the developer, and need help translating one Swedish word into English. The word is processorsnål and the meaning is something like uses very little of the processor's power. Thanks for any suggestions. Max G
Re: Needing help translating a Swedish word
Max Gossell / 03.11.24 / 5:57 PM wrote: The word is processorsnål and the meaning is something like uses very little of the processor's power. Resource efficient? I don't claim I am good at English, tho :-) -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
Re: Needing help translating a Swedish word
On 11/24/03 11:57 PM Max Gossell wrote: Hi, I know this is a bit off topic, but it's for a good cause: I'm trying to translate a nice Swedish review of SpamSieve for Michael Tsai, the developer, and need help translating one Swedish word into English. The word is processorsnål and the meaning is something like uses very little of the processor's power. Thanks for any suggestions. Max G How about processor-sparing? Not quite the same, but reasonably close. Len -- Leonard Morgenstern [EMAIL PROTECTED] What good is the right answer when you have asked the wrong question?
Re(2): Need help finding features/functions
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003, it is attributed to Tim Hodgson to have said: I don't know if anyone can provide hard information about what proportion of mail servers out there, running what software, are likely to do this? Well, unless I missed the setting, EIMS doesn't seem to have it as a settable value, so either it simply doesn't insert breaks, or the breakpoint is factory-set. -- later, JS ___ :: john snippe :: design:integrate:host ::
Re(2): Need help finding features/functions
On 24 11 2003 at 5:37 pm -0500, Tim Hodgson wrote: I don't know if anyone can provide hard information about what proportion of mail servers out there, running what software, are likely to do this? Clearly, nobody can, since nobody knows the details of every one else's (or anyone's else, if you will) mail server on the entire internet. Nonetheless, one of the nuances of this discussion is that the very question, while of academic interest, would provide an answer of no practical relevance. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Needing help translating a Swedish word
Hi, I know this is a bit off topic, but it's for a good cause: I'm trying to translate a nice Swedish review of SpamSieve for Michael Tsai, the developer, and need help translating one Swedish word into English. The word is processorsnål and the meaning is something like uses very little of the processor's power. Thanks for any suggestions. Max G
Re(2): Need help finding features/functions
This whole argument seems to come down to the issue of whether random servers through which an email may pass will truncate lines to 78 chars. Several of us have pointed out that this does happen; Tass's experience is that it never (or vanishingly rarely) does. I don't know if anyone can provide hard information about what proportion of mail servers out there, running what software, are likely to do this? Just my attempt to extract something useful from the noise :-) TimH
Re(4): Need help finding features/functions
A-NO-NE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: and No hard-Return to assure the compatibility. It's a bit silly to not allow hard-returns at the end of paragraphs or paragraph headlines PM 4.2.1 | OS X 10.2.6 | Powerbook G3/266 | 128 MB RAM | 20 GB HD
Re(3): Need help finding features/functions
On 11/24/03 1:38 AM tass wrote: Yes, of course I put in my own returns. That's proper typing; whether on paper, in a computer window, or so it might be printed at the other end. To do otherwise is, I'm sorry to say, a laziness induced by word processing programs that do the job for you, if you let it. But it had never made it proper. Yes, putting in your own returns was proper on a typewriter; you couldn't do it any other way. I am old enough to remember those days. You might have to retype a whole page, or even several pages, in order to add a comma or change a word. I'd like to have 10 cents for every minute I spent figuring out how to make a correction that would avoid all that -- I could buy my wife and myself a fine dinner! I call it efficiency, not laziness. In a way, I suppose word processing programs have made us lazy. Corrections are so easy now, I don't think through my wording as carefully as I once had to. I wore out a lot of pencils making drafts back then. Len -- Leonard Morgenstern [EMAIL PROTECTED] People like me like me. --An example of why direct computer translation won't ever work.
Re(2): Need help finding features/functions
tass wrote on Mon 24 Nov 2003 at 01:38 -0700 Yes, of course I put in my own returns. That's proper typing; whether on paper, in a computer window, or so it might be printed at the other end. I think you'll find 99% of users disagree. That is not the accepted way of using electronic communications, either for email or a letter to be printed. Its already been pointed out to you the difference between a screen and a piece of paper. By the way, what size paper do you think I'm going to print your missives on anyway? If you're a North American maybe you assume 'letter' size. Or a European then 'A4'. Your theory and ways of working fall down at every hurdle. But then if you are happy working your way in a closed loop system, carry on. There are other applications which will work the way you want to right now. This one doesn't. Like everything, its a compromise. Enough! Make your decision on the information to hand. Don't expect the world to change just for you. None of us are that important! -- david.gordon
Re(2): Need help finding features/functions
Hi David. I apologize for having taken you post harshly. Was getting a little frustrated, I guess. :-) Yes, of course I put in my own returns. That's proper typing; whether on paper, in a computer window, or so it might be printed at the other end. To do otherwise is, I'm sorry to say, a laziness induced by word processing programs that do the job for you, if you let it. But it had never made it proper. But as the Hanagan test post demonstrates, all can be pure sweetness and light for everyone if there is simply no unrealistic restriction placed for no good reason. I still agree that there should be a maximum out there somewhere. But just not at a point that is less than one would type a normal letter. I do appreciate your clarifying your disposition, and again, apologize if I came off as a bit terse. Wish you well, ht On 11/24/03, david.gordon wrote: tass wrote on Sun 23 Nov 2003 at 15:39 -0700 If you'd been following the thread, actually reading all, this question would never have come to mind. There is a slight danger of the above being seen as offensive. I have been following and reading this whole thread. I asked the question because I am polite, would never assume and like to check the facts before commenting. But the answer is: Of course not. So you're not adding extra line breaks into your emails? That's not the impression I got from your answer to Marlyse Comte; Are you manually entering line-feeds in your paragraphs? Absolutely. [back to your message] Any and all weirdness viewed in these emails is strictly the fault of PM not allowing me to type my emails as I have elsewhere for many years. I think the people here, including myself, are saying that maybe you are working in an odd way. Adding line breaks is odd. Its not the accepted way of working because its not needed. Doesn't mean you can't but to blame your tools for the weird way your message turns out is wrong. That toe the line and do as I have set forth for you to do attitude is exactly why I left the Microsoft world behind. Perhaps there's nothing wrong with the Microsoft world. Perhaps it works just fine for those who learn how to and use it correctly. Is it at all possible that you are trying to force MS to work in your unconventional way and that might be the reason you are leaving it behind? Lots of people here are trying to help you out. It seems to me you have a fixed way of working and aren't persuaded by the arguments that you are at odds with the rest, not just this group, of the world's way of writing emails. I think if you can't see that now, if you rally really want to try to format your email correspondence like a paper letter, PowerMail is not for you. Go and try Mail.app where you can compose rich text mail. Or even have a go at Mailsmith. With its vast array of preferences I'm sure you'll be able to wrap text at 120 or whatever characters. And I don't claim anything. I merely state as I know it to be. I don't know if that was aimed at me, if so it went over my head. -- david.gordon
Re(4): Need help finding features/functions
On 23/11/03 Wayne Brissette wrote: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/ 20030208 Netscape/7.02 But if the sender and the receiver allowed no limit on the line length would the same have happened? In other words is it PM that chops the line length on receipt, or does it happen somewhere in between? Or possibly both? Personally I'm all for the PM way of doing things. Once everyone starts having their own 'standard' the whole thing falls down. cheers, Chris
Re(4): Need help finding features/functions
Hear! Hear! Hiro has spoken the simple truths. I think Michael would also agree with them. Just today I have been arguing with a colleague. He wants to sent a 100k attachment to a 300 people, not all in readily accessible places. I say we place all those would-be attachments on our web site and create an index page so each person can get to their personalized version, then send only the url for that web page. In a similar situation a year ago, we had people who could be expected to recieve such stuff tell us that they would prefer not to get attachments so they could control when they accessed that full information. midi Hiro caused electrons to hula in cyberspace with: I educate my clients, Telling them email format must be simple for smooth communication, Limit to simple text Only, No HTML, No attachment but send notice beforehand when needed, and No hard-Return to assure the compatibility. -- - Hiro
Re(4): Need help finding features/functions
I educate my clients, Telling them email format must be simple for smooth communication, Limit to simple text Only, No HTML, No attachment but send notice beforehand when needed, and No hard-Return to assure the compatibility. -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
