CS>Re: [Crock_Lakhovsky] This may be the THING!

[Garnet]

Interesting articles Bob, but I must point out that they are some what 
out dated. I just attended conferences on Lyme and other degenerative 
diseases including a Morgellon Conference with researchers and 
practitioners from Australia and the US. Researchers and clinicians with 
information pointing to the connection between Morgellons and Lyme 
Disease -- every person who has Morgellons (and Cancer) that has been 
tested for Lyme has been positive for Lyme Disease. Many with MS, CFIDS 
and Fibromylagia, among other degenerative and autoimmune diseases may 
actually have undiagnosed Lyme Disease. It is not only passed by ticks, 
but also by fleas, mosquitoes, sexual contact and in rare instances the 
spirochete can be passed by kissing. This disease is epidemic and world 
wide. There is currently an invesigational new drug application about to 
be filed with the FDA for a chronic Lyme Disease pharmaceutical. This 
means the FDA and the CDC are about to do an about face on the position 
that chronic Lyme does not exist.


There is also a strong correlation between Morgellon and a disease in 
cattle, not a direct connection but at least it is a disease model that 
is well known in cattle.


The fibers have been heavily characterized by the researcher from OSU in 
Tulsa. The dermatologist from AU has also characterized the lesions 
extensively.


As far as the Plum Island theory goes I have to say, "who cares" where 
it came from, stop wasting your energy being angry and fearful by 
expounding on conspiracy theories and start putting it in to getting 
well and holding positive images that are healing instead of negative 
images that are proven to make people's immune systems function poorly. 
Emotional issues are a part of most degenerative diseases. As well as 
epigentics, some of which can be tested for and addressed with 
nutriceuticals alone.


I am currently available for consultations in both Lyme and Morgellon. I 
am able to conduct screening tests for Lyme including cytokines that 
indicate current infection. Memory T Cells that indicate exposure and an 
advanced Western Blot. There are DNA tests and CD57 tests that assist in 
the clinical diagnosis of Lyme. Treatments are available that are 
totally natural and involve no antibiotics if that is how someone 
prefers to go. The herbal protocol I am working with generally takes 
from 4 -12 months.


I refer to the top practitioners if anyone is seeking of treatment - 
herbal or antibiotic.


Please feel free to forward this email to any lists of individuals.

Janet

Janet R. Perry, MA
Wellness Consultant
Peoples Pharmacy
Austin, TX
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On 4/10/12 6:56 PM, daddybob52954 wrote:

Someone sent me this info today. I asked her to post it on group but she may be 
busy or for all I know it didn't get back to her since my email is being messed 
with so much lately. Anyway, if she wants credit, I'll gladly give it, because 
I sure didn't find this myself and may never have found it.

Anyway, so far, there is an awful lot of this info that lines up with my visual 
observations of the THING...

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2010/07/19/from-the-vault-us-and-them-among-the-slime-molds/

And...

http://www.morgellonsexposed.com/Throwback.htm

DB





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CS>Interview on One Radio Network

[Garnet]

I am going to be on Patrick Timpone's One Radio Network on Tuesday
February 29
from 10-11 CST. We will be discussing DMSO.

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/

Please tune in and forward to interested lists. Should be a good show
and we will be
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Re: CS>A case report of fungal issues caused by EIS

[Garnet]

In my way of thinking and advising people as a Wellness Consultant at
Austin's four holistic pharmacies, is to tell them that probiotics are
always a healthy choice. That there are no documented cases of CS
or EIS causing fungal dysbiosis. And few if any anecdotal reports.

For one thing it would be extremely difficult to isolate a cause. But
just thinking about it, this list would be rife with stories of candida
dysbiosis following initial CS use. And it is not.

To propagate a myth because one person out of literally hundreds of
thousands believes it is true
is very science, it is not conservative, it is simply unfounded belief
lacking any proof, therefore IMHO it is best not to propagate such an
unfounded belief in the mistaken cause of "conservativism".

To me it is a disservice unless there is an abundance of anecdotal
evidence, and there is not, to even mention it. I only address the issue
if asked.

Janet R. Perry, MA Pharmacology
Wellness Consultant
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Subject:
Re: CS>A case report of fungal issues caused by EIS
From:
David AuBuchon 
Date:
Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:10:58 -0700

To:
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Yes, all true...the yeast could have been related to something else.  
Though the person believes it was the CS.  It is always better to be on 
the conervative side, so that when people ask about yeast and CS, I will 
say from now on that there has been 1 *possible* case of candida from 
the use of EIS.  Though it wasnt clear if other things were the cause.  
And the dose was large.  And there was no probiotic.


Probiotic or not, this is the first time I have ever heard it claimed, 
so it should be noted by the members of this forum for completeness sake.


David

Re: CS>neti pot with EIS? / Balloon Sinuplasty

[Garnet]

My chiropractor, who is one of 3,000 board certified internal medicine 
specialists

in the US, and very highly regarded, recommends CS neti pot sinus lavage.

I just had him do a balloon sinuplasty on my sinuses and he said to
neti right away and every morning for at least a few days or any time I 
am having

sinus issues.

The balloon sinuplasty was the best thing I have ever done for my 
sinuses and seasonal
allergies. He said the constant congestion pushes the turbinate bones in 
the nose closer
together closing off the opening for sinus passages to drain through. A 
small cuff with
an inflatable balloon is inserted into each of the three turbinate areas 
in the nostrils. The
cuff is inflated and takes about 3 seconds to pop open the closed 
turbinates.


It felt so amazing
to have them pop open during the procedure I will never forget that 
feeling. Kind of like
your ears popping really hard. I was extremely congested from mold 
exposure in a flooded
and poorly remediated house, which I vacated asap when the landlord 
would not remediate,
but I had daily morning sinus headaches for that last month I was there. 
That is when I
did the sinuplasty. It stopped the daily headaches even though I was 
still congested from

the mold, because my sinuses could drain.

He said it is a procedure that most people only need max twice a year. 
No anesthesia although
some practitioners do use locals or even a general. I think originally 
the procedure was done
with a wire and started in the 30's. Then was modified to a much safer 
technique and renamed
Balloon Sinuplasty. It is like Balloon Angioplasty which is used to open 
up heart veins.


So yeah to the CS neti pot sinus lavage.

I do not use Xylitol. My dog is not worth the risk. Too many other ways 
to deal with bacteria
and dryness than to keep a lethal substance anywhere around a 
susceptible individual.


Janet


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Re: CS>A case report of fungal issues caused by EIS

[Garnet]

Well it does not surprise me really, if he was not taking daily 
probiotic supplements to insure that
gut bacteria were replaced if they were impacted. It's a good idea to 
take them daily any time, as
stress can also knock them out. Which brings up the point that we do not 
know what else he was
doing at the time that might have contributed or how well established 
his probiotics were in the
first place, before starting the 2 l of EIS, which he actually does not 
state the frequency or if he

drank it on an empty stomach.

All pertinent points . . . and to which I will add that I have not heard 
of anyone experiencing this
previously, still it is a concern for many. However this person's 
experience is not directly pointing
me toward the EIS, rather toward the state of his intestinal flora in 
the first place and how often

he was ingesting EIS as well as what ppm it was, how it was made etc.

As someone who takes and believes in daily probiotic supplementation to 
maintain optimal colonization
of the gut wall with healthy organisms at all times I would have to say 
anyone who drinks large amounts
of EIS or CS on a daily basis is fooling around with losing their gut 
wall health if they do not also supplement
probiotics. This is the same wisdom when taking any anti-biotic, 
pharmaceutical or natural. Remember
penicillin is natural as well. Just because silver is a mineral does not 
mean it will not kill beneficial organisms.


My limited understanding is that this generally does not occur because 
the EIS or CS is not reaching the gut
bacteria in sufficient concentration to kill them off en mass. There are 
many who take silver daily in large
amounts, yet we hear little of dysbiosis from these individuals. Could 
it be only because they are taking
probiotics or are there other risk factors such as improper diet, 
stress, meridian switching (see Steven Rochlitz
Allergies and Candida), etc. that are also contributing to the dysbiotic 
conditions.


Janet / Garnet


On 7/22/64 2:34 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
Here is an apparent case of fungal issues caused by EIS from a D. 
Glover.  He said I could repost this from an email he sent me.  This 
is the only case I have ever heard of.  Anyone have others?


David


"Re the sterile gut, I was drinking 2 litres at a time that was going 
surplus during my frequent experiments to calibrate my sol making 
equipment, as I had to send off a number of  20 ml bottles of samples 
done at different lengths of time to do a graph to see where the ppm 
value I wanted would occur. Believe it or not one of the samples I 
sent off came back as 5.1ppm from Sheffield University in England, and 
as the stuff I was originally required to make was 5 ppm I was quite 
pleased with my guesswork, though I make it a bit stronger now for myself.
What happens is that the 2 pounds of freindly gut bacteria just got 
hammered by that vast amount of silver sol. I started to feel a 
tickling at the back of my throat, like my throat had fluff stuck in 
it, that is when you have killed all the friendly bacteria in your 
mouth/throat and candida starts to proliferate there. From then it 
just gets worse, my entire body came down with really lethal candida, 
and I normally never get anything more than a little athlete's foot on 
my little toes on each foot. My eyes blurred and my vision clouded 
over so that I started to literally lose my eyesight, as I could no 
longer make out the grouting lines in brickwork any more, and I was 
itching like hell all over my body, and felt absolutely lousy 
mentally. Of course I knew what I had done, but it was too late. I 
ruled out the idea of using sol to sort this out, as I knew I would be 
left even more vulnerable, so I started using Chinese herbs from a 
brilliant researcher called Paul Thomlinson I think his name was (he 
is no longer in business for some reason I think), and also took SBO's 
later on from a company called Kiki (top notch) and gradually I got my 
health back. At least I never turned blue anyway, that would have been 
really fun."



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CS>Radiation Hormesis for Lyme's

[Garnet]

See the two testimonials on Lyme disease here:

http://www.nighthawkminerals.com/testimonials.html


One of them was posted by Bob Ainsley, the owner of
this list:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Crock_Lakhovsky

Whose daughter fought Lyme's with alt protocols from the
inception of the tick bite. He can tell you loads about what
they did and how Radiation Hormesis was the final solution.

There is discussion of her experience on the above list, on
the DMSO list, linked below and privately archived on a list
devoted to her treatment. The list was kept private due to the
fact that she was a minor at the time she contracted it and
they knew they were not going to go the allopathic route.

Garnet

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Re: CS>sensitive teeth

[Garnet]

Google info on remineralizing teeth. There are some good
You Tube Videos as well.

Garnet

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James McCourt, Ph.D. wrote:
File an assault and battery criminal complaint with local PD, state 
dental board, and consumer affairs department.


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*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:57 AM
*Subject:* CS>sensitive teeth

 
Had my teeth cleaned yest. Dentist capped a tooth 5.5 mths ago. The

space he made between it and another tooth is too large.  Food gets
stuck & I have to clean after every meal. So hygienist said it needs
to be redone. 
 
Later dentist is alone w/me & says he can fix it. He turns on tool

and is pressing against teeth on that side. I held up hand & asked
what he did. He had filed down other nearby teeth so my bite would
change to fix problem of large space he said. I told him I didn't
want to change other good teeth to accommodate crown & he didn't
like that.
 
Teeth are sensitive today. Does anyone know what can help that? Jess



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Re: CS>oreganol

[Garnet]

http://www.av-at.com/prices.html




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Re: CS>ADD and more - Pt 3

[Garnet]

Low Dose Naltrexone has been used to treat Alzheimer's with
some success.

Many people take it for prevention of any auto immune or
degenerative disease, Cancer, Flu, Colds, Allergies.

Among other effects it raises endorphin and enkephaline
levels up to 300%. This balances the immune system. Some
people have low endorphin levels and are thought to be
more susceptible to Cancer and other diseases as well
as depression.

It's a very inexpensive drug, and tested safe at 10X the
dosage used in low dose therapy. Many order it from
www.alldaychemist.com without an Rx.

Garnet

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Norton, Steve wrote:

I don't know of anyone trying to treat Alzheimer's with the lower dosage 
but it may work and should at least act as a preventative. 



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Re: CS>ADD and more

[Garnet]

Low Dose Naltrexone is helpful for Lupus.

Garnet

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Steve wrote:
I was diagnosed with ADD when I was 48.  I've been on medication for it 
ever since with some success, but still not enough to really resolve my 
ADD issues fully.


I am very new to the world of CS and similar therapies and have been 
mostly doing a ton of research online as one thing tends to lead to 
another.  Right now I think my brain is going to explode as I'm 
grappling with CS, H2O2, MMS, colloidal gold,  Blood Electrification, 
Magnets, EDTA, and god knows what else.


It is all fascinating to me. 

I am a skeptic at heart, or perhaps merely a cynic.  I don't want to 
believe in outlandish stuff just because I WANT it to be true.  I want 
to believe because I'm convinced.  Whether there are conspiracies or not 
with the established medical communities or not, is not that important 
to me.  I recognize that there certainly can be, whether intentional or not.


So, I have made my own home-made colloidal silver, but wasn't able to 
confirm it until I got a water meter thru Ebay for a mere $15.  Found 
that my 1st brew came in at 6 ppm, which I think is about perfect.  I 
used two .999 pure silver dollars for electrodes, distilled water and 
used a tupperware pitcher to hold it all in.  I didn't have a fishtank 
bubbler, so I used a nebulizer which was a lot more powerful than I 
would have liked.


My first day that I sampled my brew was last Saturday.   On Sunday I 
woke up with a considerably stuffy nose and had a productive drainage 
which appeared to be a sinus infection. (I'll pass on the intimate 
details.).   I took a good dose of my home-brew that day as well as 
Monday.   My stuffiness disappeared within 1/2 hour or so and has not 
yet returned.


After a couple days, I decided I needed more and better equipment to 
really know exactly how successful my first batch of CS was, so I 
ordered a testing device on Ebay which arrived yesterday.


On Tuesday, I found the Meso Gold etc. website and was entranced with 
the testimonials.   Now, being a cynic and skeptic, I'm not one to put a 
great deal of confidence into anecdotal evidence.  However, the 
testimonies were pretty convincing and with my ADD problems plus my 
considerable depression issues (you'll have to know more of my life 
story to appreciate this issue), I allowed myself to be hopeful and 
ordered a litre of the meso-gold product.


It arrived yesterday.  I took a tablespoon when I opened the package, 
and another this morning.   I don't have a lot to report yet, other than 
I think I have experienced some elevation of mood and mental focus, but 
it could easily be my imagination as this can be pretty subjective.  I 
think if I see a dramatic change, I will be convinced.


It would be great if it works as advertised since my daughter has 
serious ADD issues interfering with school, and my wife has lost a great 
deal of her cognitive ability in recent years.   Her micro-biography - 
she was a high school valedictorian, graduated from MSU with honors in 
Accounting, became a CPA and was highly efficient and organized.  This 
is the woman I married 19 years ago. She has a history of occasional 
migraines which became a severe problem in 2003 when she was no longer 
able to continue working due to depression, brain fog, and daily 
migraines.  She has them every single day since 2006 and her mental 
focus has continued to slowly deteriorate, but has been going much more 
rapidly this year.   She has a lot of mental confusion, poor short-term 
memory to the point she can now no longer read books because she can't 
remember the first part of the paragraph by the time she gets to the 
end.   She is now showing a lot of trouble in following my conversations 
with her when I am explaining various issues or events, especially in 
regards to our son's ongoing divorce melodrama.  

She was found to have an auto-immune disorder, which was officially 
diagnosed as 'connective tissue disorder.'  The rheumatologist stopped 
her from answering questions during his diagnosis consultation.  The 
reason, he told us, was that if he got ONE more positive answer, he 
would be obliged to diagnose her with lupus and she would become 
uninsurable.   And the treatment for lupus and the less scary (to 
insurance companies) diagnosis of connective tissue disorder is the 
same.   What a nice doctor.


I had intended to write this email just to let folks know where I was at 
with CS therapy and my early experience so far with meso-gold, and hope 
for useful comments.But of course, if anyone has any thoughts on my 
wife's situation and whether meso gold or other products might help her, 
I'd LOVE to

Re: CS>Supplement Dosing help needed

[Garnet]

Here are some links for European made ALA. Also you need to
take a B Complex with ALA as it uses up your B Vits.

Garnet


Alpha Lipoic Acid
Metabolic Maintenance brand recommended by Dr Berkson
http://store.metabolicmaintenance.com/category.aspx?categoryID=2 



Alpha Lipoic Acid
Biotech brand as recommended by Dr Berkson
https://www.professionalsupplementcenter.com/BioTechLipoic500mg.htm? 



Alpha Lipoic Acid
*source of alpha-lipoic acid is Degussa from Germany, very 
high purity

http://www.costlessvitamin.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=2_1078&products_id=8817

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Alan Jones wrote:
Thanks for this.  Any suggested brands for ALA?  I've been buying NOW 
brand, which is the cheapest, which means it's probably made in China.


Alan

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Garnet <mailto:gar...@grandecom.net>> wrote:


The Alpha Lipoic Acid Breakthrough by Bert Burkson MD
is the definitive work on this supplement. Dr Burkson was
head of ALA research at the NIH. He has a practice in
Las Cruces, NM now where he uses it IV with LDN to
treat cancers, Hep C and more. He sends patients home
on oral ALA, from Europe, not China made, be careful
where you get it.



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Re: CS>Supplement Dosing help needed

[Garnet]

From the recent 2009 Low Dose Naltrexone Conference where 
Dr. Berkson was the keynote speaker - he talks about ALA 
with LDN for treating Hepatitis C, Liver Cancer, Pancreatic 
Cancer, Lymphoma and many other disorders:


Introductory remarks - ALA - Hepatitis C

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHyUfHqR4PAALA and purity; 
Asian products vs European - ALA discussion - Epstein-Barr 
Virus -




6) Dr Berkson Q & A Part One

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsBN78Cl1s4


Lab Tests - Dosing of LDN and ALA - R Form Lipoic Acid - B 
Complex -


7) Dr Berkson Q & A Part Two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c29DAE4MGmo



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Garnet wrote:

The Alpha Lipoic Acid Breakthrough by Bert Burkson MD
is the definitive work on this supplement. Dr Burkson was
head of ALA research at the NIH. He has a practice in
Las Cruces, NM now where he uses it IV with LDN to
treat cancers, Hep C and more. He sends patients home
on oral ALA, from Europe, not China made, be careful
where you get it.

http://www.amazon.com/Alpha-Lipoic-Acid-Breakthrough-Antioxidant/dp/0761514570 



There are videos of his presentations to the LDN
Conferences linked here that are worth watching. He
talks about ALA quit a bit.

http://web.me.com/clenz/Site/5th_conference.html   


Here is a list that is helpful for those with Hep C, even
though it says children many adults belong.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hepatitis_Children_and_CAM_Alternatives

Good people on this list and a great place to ask for more
resources.

Garnet

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Thora Rasmusen (Home) wrote:
I have posted this on the Off Topic list as well, so you can respond 
there.
 
I have a friend who is taking several supplements for liver disease 
(hepatitis C, liver pain, and undetermined solid mass found on 
ultrasound) and needs help in how to best take them, along with a 
sleeping pill.
 
Milk Thistle 3 X 250 mg per day - one site said 30 minutes before meal

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) - 3 X 200 mg - between meals on an empty stomach
Home Made Colloidal Silver - would like to take 1/2 cup up to 3 times 
a day

Apricot Pits - small handful
Zopiclone (Imovane) - at bedtime
Selenium (not started this yet, but would like to add) about 400 mcg 
per day (?)
 
He needs help in finding what to take with food, what to combine, what 
to take alone.  He doesn't want them counteracting each other, or 
combining to form incorrect substances that will do harm.
 
If anyone knows more things that help the liver that would be good.
 
Thora
 
 
 
 



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Re: CS>Supplement Dosing help needed

[Garnet]

Here's a blog from someone with Hep C who has seen
Dr Burkson

http://nolahepper.blogspot.com/2009/06/dr-burt-berkson-and-low-dose-naltrexone.html

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Garnet wrote:

The Alpha Lipoic Acid Breakthrough by Bert Burkson MD
is the definitive work on this supplement. Dr Burkson was
head of ALA research at the NIH. He has a practice in
Las Cruces, NM now where he uses it IV with LDN to
treat cancers, Hep C and more. He sends patients home
on oral ALA, from Europe, not China made, be careful
where you get it.

http://www.amazon.com/Alpha-Lipoic-Acid-Breakthrough-Antioxidant/dp/0761514570 



There are videos of his presentations to the LDN
Conferences linked here that are worth watching. He
talks about ALA quit a bit.

http://web.me.com/clenz/Site/5th_conference.html   


Here is a list that is helpful for those with Hep C, even
though it says children many adults belong.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hepatitis_Children_and_CAM_Alternatives

Good people on this list and a great place to ask for more
resources.

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Thora Rasmusen (Home) wrote:
I have posted this on the Off Topic list as well, so you can respond 
there.
 
I have a friend who is taking several supplements for liver disease 
(hepatitis C, liver pain, and undetermined solid mass found on 
ultrasound) and needs help in how to best take them, along with a 
sleeping pill.
 
Milk Thistle 3 X 250 mg per day - one site said 30 minutes before meal

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) - 3 X 200 mg - between meals on an empty stomach
Home Made Colloidal Silver - would like to take 1/2 cup up to 3 times 
a day

Apricot Pits - small handful
Zopiclone (Imovane) - at bedtime
Selenium (not started this yet, but would like to add) about 400 mcg 
per day (?)
 
He needs help in finding what to take with food, what to combine, what 
to take alone.  He doesn't want them counteracting each other, or 
combining to form incorrect substances that will do harm.
 
If anyone knows more things that help the liver that would be good.
 
Thora
 
 
 
 



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Re: CS>expert witness medicolegal reports

[Garnet]

Here are a few links on mold and biotoxins. Also
Google Mold and find some forums to ask on.

Doug Kaufmann is an excellent speaker and
mold info resource
http://knowthecause.com/

Biotoxin Info
http://www.biotoxin.info


Mold Warriors
by Ritchie C Shoemaker MD
http://www.moldwarriors.com 


Mycometrics
specialized in the identification of fungi (molds), bacteria 
and viruses from the environment, food, pharmaceutical or 
biological products

http://www.mycometrics.com/


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kmartjo...@aol.com wrote:
Anyone know a medical ENT doctor  or expert witness who can prepare 
documents for mold exposure...thanks to cs I recovered. I was exposed to 
9 kind of mold...was so sick I didn't care if I died. one was aspergillos












 









 







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Re: CS>Supplement Dosing help needed

[Garnet]

The Alpha Lipoic Acid Breakthrough by Bert Burkson MD
is the definitive work on this supplement. Dr Burkson was
head of ALA research at the NIH. He has a practice in
Las Cruces, NM now where he uses it IV with LDN to
treat cancers, Hep C and more. He sends patients home
on oral ALA, from Europe, not China made, be careful
where you get it.

http://www.amazon.com/Alpha-Lipoic-Acid-Breakthrough-Antioxidant/dp/0761514570 



There are videos of his presentations to the LDN
Conferences linked here that are worth watching. He
talks about ALA quit a bit.

http://web.me.com/clenz/Site/5th_conference.html

Here is a list that is helpful for those with Hep C, even
though it says children many adults belong.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hepatitis_Children_and_CAM_Alternatives 



Good people on this list and a great place to ask for more
resources.

Garnet

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Thora Rasmusen (Home) wrote:

I have posted this on the Off Topic list as well, so you can respond there.
 
I have a friend who is taking several supplements for liver disease 
(hepatitis C, liver pain, and undetermined solid mass found on 
ultrasound) and needs help in how to best take them, along with a 
sleeping pill.
 
Milk Thistle 3 X 250 mg per day - one site said 30 minutes before meal

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) - 3 X 200 mg - between meals on an empty stomach
Home Made Colloidal Silver - would like to take 1/2 cup up to 3 times a day
Apricot Pits - small handful
Zopiclone (Imovane) - at bedtime
Selenium (not started this yet, but would like to add) about 400 mcg per 
day (?)
 
He needs help in finding what to take with food, what to combine, what 
to take alone.  He doesn't want them counteracting each other, or 
combining to form incorrect substances that will do harm.
 
If anyone knows more things that help the liver that would be good.
 
Thora
 
 
 
 



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Re: CS>Minimum amount of CS to prevent disease

[Garnet]

www.vitaminD3world.com has a load of information, a cheap home
test and a good microtablet. Should be taken with food 
though as it

is a fat soluble vitamin.

Carlson's D3 Gel caps are also popular and cheaper than the 
microtabs,

have their own oil in the caps.

Some are saying deficiency is THE cause of breast cancer.

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Marshall Dudley wrote:
The most available form of vitamin D.  The reason why colds and flu get 
so bad during the winter months is because of lack of sunlight and 
vitamin D.  So if you supplement sufficiently, studies have found that 
the incidence of colds and flu can be reduced by about 90%.


Marshall

Richard Goodwin wrote:

Interesting -- what's D3?


*From:* Marshall Dudley 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, December 1, 2009 3:58:44 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Minimum amount of CS to prevent disease

Richard Goodwin wrote:
> Has anyone ever discovered what might be a reasonable minimum amount 
and frequency of CS to ingest to maintain health free of colds, flu, 
etc., assuming you are not trying to get over some disease?
I ingested about one ounce a day of 5 ppm  EIS for about 7 years, with 
nary a cold or flu.  However due to the bluing of my fingernail moons 
over the last couple of years, after switching to 15 to 20 ppm EIS, I 
have discontinued using EIS for prevention, and am taking 5,000 IE of 
D3 instead, with similar results, IE no sicknesses with me or my 
family.  I still will swig some EIS if I get food poisoning, or feel 
something coming on (which has not happened yet after switching to the 
D3).  Also for standbys if I ever do seem to be getting something are 
olive leaf extract, oreganol, Del Immune V, MMS, and Vitamin C.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Re: Ozonated Saline Solution

[Garnet]

Some of us are starting very low with the Low Dose Naltrexone
and working up more slowly to avoid the night time sleep 
disturbance
or any other adjustment side effects. It's normally 
suggested to
start at 4.5 or if you have MS to start at 1.5 both of which 
can cause
short term sleep disturbance when taken at night. Easily 
remedied
with Melatonin or day time dosing, but the benefits are 
greater when

taken at night.

I started a list to discuss starting really low, like 0.5 
and increasing

by 0.25 every two weeks. It's working very well for some who are
very sensitive. Also seems that some get benefits on these low
doses although it is said that anything below 1.75 is not 
going to

do anything for you. Everyone is different and it may depend on
the state of your immune system as well as the disease you are
treating. Anything genetic or auto-immune is thought to benefit.

It's a very interesting therapy. There's much info to show 
that it is

actually balancing the immune system. Some say it also does this
for the endocrine system. Many have to reduce Thyroid supplement
and report increased libido and hormone balancing effects. 
It has
reduced my hot flashes, I have had no colds or flu since 
starting

it last summer and my mold / seasonal allergies are less. I only
take 1.0 mg every three days at present so it costs me almost
nothing. I order it from an internet pharmacy.

Garnet

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arthur rambo wrote:
Ooops, forgot to mention the low dose naltrexone. I've been taking it 
since march, and it does help. I started at night, seemed to develop 
insomnia, switched to AM, and I'm going to switch back to pm tonight, to 
see if it will be more effective. It works by stimulating endorphin 
production at peak times during the night, which in turn stimulates the 
immune system. Its becoming a mainstay for ms, aids, hcv, and more.


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*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, December 1, 2009 3:07:42 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Re: Ozonated Saline Solution

Low Dose Naltrexone is used to treat Hep C

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Peter Converse wrote:
 > Hi Arthur,
 >  I have a friend who is doing his best to recover from Hep-C. Would 
you be able to elaborate on your ozonated saline solution?
 >  In case you haven't seen it yet, I'll just mention to you a very 
helpful book for immune restoration techniques which can be applied in 
cases of HIV, Hep-C, HHV6-A, CFS, Candidiasis, Lyme Disease, cancer, 
etc... It is aptly called the "Immune Restoration Handbook" and can be 
purchased here:

 >  http://www.keephopealive.org/
 >  Best regards,
 >  Peter
 > 
 >- Original Message -
 >*From:* arthur rambo <mailto:alqui...@yahoo.com 
<mailto:alqui...@yahoo.com>>
 >*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>>

 >*Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2009 3:50 PM
 >*Subject:* Re: CS>H202 - Snopes
 >
 >I've injected ozone directly, 50cc, once per day, 300+ times. Got
 >the viral load down to 66,000, but couldn't quite finish on acount
 >of the oxidative stress.  Anti-oxidants should be stressed to
 >counter the oxidative effects.  I now use ozonated saline solution
 >1-2x a week to treat hcv, and find this is the "friendliest" and
 >effective of all, except this much sodium 500ml, introduced in a  
  short time, raises the blood pressure,  So I can only do a couple

 >per week.
 > 
 >

 >*From:* Richard Goodwin <mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com>>

 >*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
 >*Sent:* Mon, November 30, 2009 3:26:01 PM
 >*Subject:* Re: CS>H202 - Snopes
 >
 >Hi -- I believe ozone is O3, and H2O2 is Hydrogen Peroxide.
 >
 >Dick
 >
 >


 >*From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick mailto:d...@deetroy.org>>
 >*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
 >*Sent:* Mon, November 30, 2009 2:48:28 PM
 >*Subject:* Re: CS>H202 - Snopes
 >
 >Is ozone H202?  dee
 >
 >On 30 Nov 2009, at 15:44, Norton, Steve wrote:
 >
 &g

Re: CS>Blue Moons (Help)

[Garnet]

Alpha Lipoic Acid might be helpful for you. It raises
Glutathione levels and stimulates stem cells in the
liver.

Bert Burkson MD uses it with LDN for Cancer and has
used it for liver toxicity as a researcher in charge of
ALA research at the NIH. He has a book out called
the Alpha Lipoic Acid Breakthrough

Best to buy high quality and not the ALA produced in
China. European produced is best. In some countries
it is actually a prescription but in the US it is a supplement.

Garnet

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arthur rambo wrote:
I took the mms for a year and half; got up to about 21 drops per day. 
Found it to be too oxidizing for me, because I have ox-stress already; 
so I switched to occasional ozone IVs, and am trying to use glutathione 
(GSH) ect to work on that. I used lemon juice to activate each time; I 
tried citric acid and got serious liver pain from that. Don't know if it 
was a bad batch, too high dose, or my condition, but it was bad news. 
Lemon juice is best imho.
  



*From:* Marshall Dudley 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, December 1, 2009 11:21:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Blue Moons (Help)

How much MMS are you taking. Are you taking it activated or inactivated?

Marshall

arthur rambo wrote:
 > I developed the blue moons after a few years of cs, as well. They 
faded in the fingers after beginning MMS. for a year. Now I only have 
slight on the thumbs.

 >
 > 
 > *From:* john freese mailto:jrf...@yahoo.com>>
 > *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
 > *Sent:* Mon, November 30, 2009 9:14:33 PM
 > *Subject:* CS>Blue Moons (Help)
 >
 >  Hello,
 >
 > I have been taking about 1to 1 1/2 ounces of crystal clear per day of 
12 to 15 PPM CS for about 3 years with no problems. But about 3 weeks 
ago my wife (the non believer in CS) noticed the moons on my fingers 
were turning blue. I had not noticed this before she said something. I 
was under the impression ingesting this amount and strength would not 
turn your moons blue. Could the blue moons come from something other 
than CS? I stopped taking my CS that day and started taking selenium, 
and oral chelation. 3 weeks later the moons appear to be darker. I would 
appreciate any input. Thank you, John.

 >
 >
 >


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Re: CS>Re: Ozonated Saline Solution

[Garnet]

Low Dose Naltrexone is used to treat Hep C

Garnet

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Peter Converse wrote:

Hi Arthur,
 
I have a friend who is doing his best to recover from Hep-C. Would you 
be able to elaborate on your ozonated saline solution?
 
In case you haven't seen it yet, I'll just mention to you a very helpful 
book for immune restoration techniques which can be applied in cases of 
HIV, Hep-C, HHV6-A, CFS, Candidiasis, Lyme Disease, cancer, etc... It is 
aptly called the "Immune Restoration Handbook" and can be purchased here:
 
http://www.keephopealive.org/
 
 
Best regards,
 
Peter
 
 


- Original Message -
*From:* arthur rambo <mailto:alqui...@yahoo.com>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2009 3:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>H202 - Snopes

I've injected ozone directly, 50cc, once per day, 300+ times. Got
the viral load down to 66,000, but couldn't quite finish on acount
of the oxidative stress.  Anti-oxidants should be stressed to
counter the oxidative effects.  I now use ozonated saline solution
1-2x a week to treat hcv, and find this is the "friendliest" and
effective of all, except this much sodium 500ml, introduced in a 
short time, raises the blood pressure,  So I can only do a couple

per week.
 



*From:* Richard Goodwin 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, November 30, 2009 3:26:01 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>H202 - Snopes

Hi -- I believe ozone is O3, and H2O2 is Hydrogen Peroxide.

Dick


*From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, November 30, 2009 2:48:28 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>H202 - Snopes

Is ozone H202?  dee

On 30 Nov 2009, at 15:44, Norton, Steve wrote:

 > I think you are right that they are referring to intravenous use.
See:
 >
>  http://educate-yourself.org/ozone/
 > "A second technique is to introduce the ozone directly into the
 > bloodstream via intravenous injection. The idea of intravenous
injection
 > has raised concern with some people concerning the notion of gas
 > embolism which might lead to a heart attack or blockage in the lungs.
 > Gas embolisms, however, do not occur with pure ozone. Air, which is
 > largely composed of 80% nitrogen and 20 % oxygen, will create a gas
 > bubble in the blood at atmospheric pressure, but not ozone. Nitrogen
 > will create a gas bubble in the blood at atmospheric pressure,
but not
 > ozone. The rate of ozone delivery and the very small needle used to
 > inject the ozone, guarantee no possibility of gas embolism. Do
not allow
 > this bogus fear tactic to keep you from investigating this highly
 > effective and safe therapy!
 >


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Re: CS>CS for asthma

[Garnet]

My asthma went away after nebulizing CS and DMSO.
My assumption is that my asthma was due to mycoplasma
living in the mucous in my lungs. DMSO delivers the
CS through the mucous and penetrates the mycoplasma
or any other organisms.

I was using this for a lung infection when I had the flu. I
did it for 10  minutes every hour at first, then every two
or three hours, then down to a few times a day over
a period of about five days.

I used 2 parts DMSO and 8 parts 10 ppm home made
CS. I also used a real nebulizer that makes a smaller
water droplet than a humidifier so that it gets down to
the end of the bronchioles.

I read about people using MSM and CS to cure Asthma
on this list which is what gave me the idea to try DMSO.

Here is a DMSO list if you need information:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

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Kathy Tankersley wrote:
I've had asthma for several years, I'm on advair and another 'rescue 
inhaler''  I was wondering if anyone on the list has had any experience 
with using CS for asthma?  Also using a mist inhaler for inhaling CS?  
Thanks for answering, I'm very new to CS and have only been using it for 
a couple months.  Thanks, Kathy



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Re: CS>[FW]sophie_langmuir_2003.pdf (application/pdf Object)

[Garnet]

Scroll down to the link.

Garnet

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Renee wrote:

No, there's no attachment to mine.
 
/---Original Message---/
 

 
I attempted to send this a couple of days ago. If anyone gets it on the 
silver-list, I would like to know. I have mail program problems...and 
especially when I try to use two of them to communicate with each other.
This is (in my opinion)quite useful information on what, exactly, occurs 
in nominal liposome formation. the comments on spontaneous formation are 
especially useful for the lay-person audience.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.









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CS>The humble onion, best protection against the flu?

[Garnet]

This is an interesting folk remedy and one that reminds me 
of the practice of
baking an onion wrapped in foil so that the juices collect. 
The juices are then
used orally, a teaspoon or two at a time, as a treatment for 
severe lung congestion.


-

The humble onion, best protection against the flu?

A few day's ago I was surfing the net looking for Swine Flu 
news when I stumbled upon a post on Above Top Secret You can 
beat Swine Flu and pneumonia!( No vaccination definitely!) 
Intrigued I read the thread with interest because the author 
was claiming you could beat The Swine Flu and Pneumonia with 
the humble Onion!
He told a story of when he was young he became very sick 
with Pneumonia, with a very high fever and breathing 
problems, his parents where beside themselves and out of 
desperation resorted to an old wives tale from his grandmother.
The boy's mother chopped an onion, placed it into a bowl and 
poured boiling water onto the onion and placed the bowl 
beside the boy's bed, the boy much to his parents surprise 
woke up the next morning with no fever and breathing normal 
and feeling very very hungry.
Well I found it a very interesting story but didn't think 
much more about it.
I have dodgy lungs, I had Pneumonia twice last year and hell 
would freeze over before I consider having a vaccine, so you 
can imagine these are nervous times for me and yesterday 
evening I arrived home feeling rough with laboured breathing.
My wife suggested I should try chopping an onion with 
boiling water, I laughed but said why not.
So as the guy said, I chopped up an onion put it into a bowl 
and poured in the boiling water, I placed the bowl on my 
bedside table and I went to bed, I must say I slept soundly 
and yes, when I woke up I felt fine and my breathing was 
normal, it works!




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Re: CS>BB on Kelp

[Garnet]

Raw feeding requires a lot of care and is often done poorly.
Puppies are susceptible to imbalance because their needs
are higher and they are growing so fast. Rickets does occur
in raw fed puppies with irreversible consequences when the
full range of nutrients is not provided in balance.

Some dogs do choke on bones, but dogs can choke on
kibble too so there's a need to watch how the dog handles
the bones if they have not been brought up eating them.
Weight bearing bones from cows are too hard on their teeth.
Some say raw turkey bones are not highly digestible either.

You need to research it in depth and read widely. Please
don't listen to just one approach without checking it out.

There are some prepared raw diets and also canine nutritional
consultants who will help you balance what you are feeding.

Garnet

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Lisa wrote:

Hi Dave,

Thanks for such a detailed description of the diet your feeding your
multitude of dogs. We do not yet have a dog but will have one soon. That
being said I too would like to feed it a raw diet. Can you clarify something
for me? You say chicken quarters from Walmart is what you feed them after
cutting them a bit. Do you include the drumstick and thigh bone too? I was
told that these bones because they are bigger (and weight bearing) that they
may be dangerous to dogs due to splintering etc. Same thing as far as the
necks go. So I guess I'd like to know whether or not it's the whole thing
(except the neck) that you feed them? Or are you leaving parts out? I guess
I just don't want to feed our future dog a drumstick only to have to get
lodged in its throat. And as far as a puppy goes...would these [leg] parts
have to be broken down into manageable pieces or do you find that your dogs
don't have any problems either way.

Thanks.

Lisa



-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 2:06 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>BB on Kelp

 Original Message 
Subject: CS>Maximizing Dog Health.Minimizing cost
Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:22:06 -0700
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:21:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brooks Bradley 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Organization: Lycos. Inc.
To: 

Having undertaken a nutritional program based upon the Raw Food and
Bones general concept.for our Orphaned Dog Program population,
about five years ago, we have attempted to maximize nutrition while
holding the direct food expenditures to the lowest acceptable level. I
believe we have achieved an acceptable (for us) circumstance.

In the beginning of our formal program (circa year 2000), we had 12
adult dogs in the group. We were feeding them a "high-quality" dry
food ration with vitamin supplements. Additionally, we supplied them
with steamed green and yellow vegetables three times weekly. While
they were healthy, in the general sense, I was not pleased that some
shed hair late and did not present shiny coats of hair.

After some experimentation we decided to add unprocessed (raw) milk
and raw meat to their dietwhile, simultaneously, reducing the
carbohydrate components and increasing the frequency of raw bones
(from twice weekly, to daily). The results were, spectacular, and the
entire group responded with vibrant health displays. Within a short
time our population began to climb, as more "Loving Owners" abandoned
their pets along the road adjoining our farm.and the population
increased to 16.along with the attendant support costs. Our
population increased to its present 19 individuals and our food costs
(as have those for the general public) rose quite rapidly to over
$600.00 per month. While certainly not catastrophic, it appeared we
might profitably review our nutritional benefit/cost curve. I found
that the ground meat item was the least cost-effective.from among
the high-density nutrient components. We were purchasing the 70% lean
X 30% fat,! 5 lb. rolls from Walmart for around $7.00 each and when
factored with the 6 oz. minimum, daily, (for medium, 35 to 40 lb dogs)
and 8 oz+ for the larger (70 lbs +) dogswe were spending .70 each,
daily, for this component. I had been contemplating utilizing the 10
lb. bags of fresh chicken quarters
(from Walmart), for some time. I introduced the chicken parts
(one-third of a quarter to each
dog (about 8 ozs weight). As these bags were averaging less than $3.75
each (37.5 cents per lb).and the results greatly exceeded my
expectations. Especially so since we were able to eliminate the raw
bones altogether-with an overall net increase in digestible
protein.and a cost reduction for this nutritionl element of around
$13.00 per day.
Addition

Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

[Garnet]

Well then there is simply no excuse. Sorry to hear of your
poor experience but good to know.

Garnet

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Marshall Dudley wrote:
I called them before I ordered to confirm that it was in stock and would 
ship from my local warehouse.


Marshall

Garnet wrote:

I have ordered from Vita Cost and noticed that most items say ships
within 24 hours but on a few items it says 7-10 days to ship because
it is not in stock.

It will delay your whole order. So you need to check each item that
you add to your cart to see if there is a delay on that item.

Maybe this could explain the delay on your order. It does not explain
them ignoring your emails or giving you wrong information when you
called.

Their prices are the lowest I have found, but I am careful not to order
anything that does not say 24 hour shipping.

Garnet

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Marshall Dudley wrote:
I am wary of VitaCost. I purchased some mushroom extract from them 
because they guaranteed 24 hour shipping and their warehouse was only 
a couple of hundred miles from me, and it took 2 weeks for them to 
get it to me. I emailed them repeatedly and they ignored my emails, 
and when I called them they would continually lie and say they had 
shipped or would ship when they had not and did not. I will never 
give them any of my business again.


Marshall

Garnet wrote:

Vita Cost has Carlson's in sunflower oil, if you use a dry
tablet, such as vitamind3world.com you must take it with
food as it needs fat to absorb. Their dry tabs are high
quality in an Avicel base so dissolve instantly. But it's
probably better to get the Carlson's already in oil. Many
physicians recommend these for their high quality.

Garnet

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Bob Banever wrote:
You can get D3 at any good health food store.  Just google it to 
buy online.

- Original Message -
*From:* kmartjo...@aol.com <mailto:kmartjo...@aol.com>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2009 4:23 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

where do you get it


-Original Message-
From: Bob Banever mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net>>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

Ole,
 No, D3 is said to activate your immune system.

- Original Message -
*From:* Ole Alstrup <mailto:alst...@yahoo.com>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2009 3:13 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

Will D3 kill the virus?

   
 


*From:* Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com>>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Mon, 23 November, 2009 19:39:53
*Subject:* Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

Ole Alstrup wrote:
 > To avoid the flu, what is most effective; using small 
amounts

of CS daily as a prevention or large amounts when infected? Or

both?

 >
Both. But I use D3, 5,000 units a day for the baseline
protection, and up it 30,000 or so if exposed, or feeling a
little funky.  If I do get real symptoms of something 
coming on

( I have yet since starting the D3 ), I will take CS.

Marshall


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Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

[Garnet]

I have ordered from Vita Cost and noticed that most items 
say ships
within 24 hours but on a few items it says 7-10 days to ship 
because

it is not in stock.

It will delay your whole order. So you need to check each 
item that

you add to your cart to see if there is a delay on that item.

Maybe this could explain the delay on your order. It does 
not explain
them ignoring your emails or giving you wrong information 
when you

called.

Their prices are the lowest I have found, but I am careful 
not to order

anything that does not say 24 hour shipping.

Garnet

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Marshall Dudley wrote:
I am wary of VitaCost. I purchased some mushroom extract from them 
because they guaranteed 24 hour shipping and their warehouse was only a 
couple of hundred miles from me, and it took 2 weeks for them to get it 
to me. I emailed them repeatedly and they ignored my emails, and when I 
called them they would continually lie and say they had shipped or would 
ship when they had not and did not. I will never give them any of my 
business again.


Marshall

Garnet wrote:

Vita Cost has Carlson's in sunflower oil, if you use a dry
tablet, such as vitamind3world.com you must take it with
food as it needs fat to absorb. Their dry tabs are high
quality in an Avicel base so dissolve instantly. But it's
probably better to get the Carlson's already in oil. Many
physicians recommend these for their high quality.

Garnet

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Bob Banever wrote:
You can get D3 at any good health food store.  Just google it to buy 
online.

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*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2009 4:23 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

where do you get it


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From: Bob Banever mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net>>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

Ole,
 No, D3 is said to activate your immune system.

- Original Message -
*From:* Ole Alstrup <mailto:alst...@yahoo.com>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2009 3:13 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

Will D3 kill the virus?

   



*From:* Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com>>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Mon, 23 November, 2009 19:39:53
*Subject:* Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

Ole Alstrup wrote:
 > To avoid the flu, what is most effective; using small amounts
of CS daily as a prevention or large amounts when infected? Or

both?

 >
Both. But I use D3, 5,000 units a day for the baseline
protection, and up it 30,000 or so if exposed, or feeling a
little funky.  If I do get real symptoms of something coming on
( I have yet since starting the D3 ), I will take CS.

Marshall


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Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

[Garnet]

Vita Cost has Carlson's in sunflower oil, if you use a dry
tablet, such as vitamind3world.com you must take it with
food as it needs fat to absorb. Their dry tabs are high
quality in an Avicel base so dissolve instantly. But it's
probably better to get the Carlson's already in oil. Many
physicians recommend these for their high quality.

Garnet

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Bob Banever wrote:
You can get D3 at any good health food store.  Just google it to buy 
online. 


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*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2009 4:23 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

where do you get it


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From: Bob Banever mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net>>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

Ole,
 
No, D3 is said to activate your immune system.


- Original Message -
*From:* Ole Alstrup <mailto:alst...@yahoo.com>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2009 3:13 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

Will D3 kill the virus?


*From:* Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com>>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Mon, 23 November, 2009 19:39:53
*Subject:* Re: CS>Prevention or treatment?

Ole Alstrup wrote:
 > To avoid the flu, what is most effective; using small amounts
of CS daily as a prevention or large amounts when infected? Or both?
 >
Both. But I use D3, 5,000 units a day for the baseline
protection, and up it 30,000 or so if exposed, or feeling a
little funky.  If I do get real symptoms of something coming on
( I have yet since starting the D3 ), I will take CS.

Marshall


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Re: CS>tyndall again

[Garnet]

I use white vinegar to clean my distiller and never have any 
problem
with producing clear CS. I do not rinse with sodium 
bicarbonate.


I rinse three times with tap water and do not wipe. I am 
using about
a cup of 9% white vinegar in one gallon of water. I let this 
sit for a

half a day or more and then rinse 3X.

Last two times I have put a plate on top instead of the 
distiller top
and plugged it in for a few hours. This cleans it even 
faster and

boils off some of the water/vinegar mixture in the process. The
plate is not an air tight seal. Last time I put it outside 
so I did not
have to smell the vinegar. This works better than just 
letting it

sit because it comes out cleaner.


Garnet

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Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Oh Lord, I've cleaned it out with vinegar now.  I did rinse it out thoroughly 
but I'll do it again with bicarbonate of soda.  Thanks Marshall.  dee

On 17 Nov 2009, at 16:47, Marshall Dudley wrote:


Vinegar is a bad contaminant for distilled water.   Acetic acid has a 
significant vapor pressure at the boiling point of water, and will boil off 
with it, then condense and end up in the distilled container.  If you want to 
make absolutely sure that no acetic acid is left, then rinse, or wipe off with 
water mixed with sodium bicarbonate.

Marhall

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:



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Re: CS>tyndall again

[Garnet]

Just rinse the distiller three times after washing with vinegar.

Distilling is going to remove contaminants from the water. So
any slight traces of vinegar are being removed from the final
product along with minerals and other impurities in the tap
water.

If you are using hot tap water you might try using cold water
since the hot water pipes are more likely to be contaminated.

Could be your meter, and if you have no way of calibrating
the meter then you don't know if it is actually set to register
zero when the water is zero.

Garnet

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Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I'll try this Chuck, but wouldn't the vinegar itself be a contaminant?  dee

On 16 Nov 2009, at 19:27, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:


Is it possible that your first use left the distiller with residue
from using up ALL the water? Thus adding contaminates for subsequent
batches? (you know, white stuff?)
Scrub it with a little white vinegar after use and try again.

Don't run the distiller 'till it's dry.

Preboiling the water before distilling is a good idea.

Chuck



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Re: CS>tyndall again

[Garnet]

How old is your Brita Filter?

Garnet

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Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Thanks Nevelle, its just the first lot of DW I 'brewed' came out at 000 
on the TDS.  This was just water boiled in the kettle and then put in 
the distiller.  The second lot went through a Brita filter first before 
boiling and then steam distilling.  after the first time, it read 002 on 
the TDS so I distilled it again.  Then it came out at 003!  I just can't 
understand it at all.  
The tyndall was in water from the first batch *before* I put the 
electrodes in, so I don't understand that at all either.  dee


On 16 Nov 2009, at 13:09, Neville Munn wrote:


I get the impression you're concerned about this, why would that be?
 
Some DW shows TE some don't, some end product shows TE and some don't 
have as much, it all depends on which way one parted their hair on the 
day they brewed it .
 





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CS>Why I fired my secretary -funny!]

[Garnet]

Last week was my birthday


 And I didn't feel very well



 Waking up on that morning.







 I went downstairs for breakfast



 Hoping my wife would be pleasant and say, "Happy Birthday!", and



 Possibly have a small present for me.







 As it turned out,



 She barely said good morning,



 Let alone



 " Happy Birthday."







 I thought...



 Well,



 that's marriage for you,



 But the kids



 They will remember.







 My kids came bounding down stairs to breakfast and didn't say a word.



 So when I left for the office ,



 I felt pretty low



 And somewhat despondent.











 As I walked into my office ,



 My secretary Jane said,



 "Good Morning Boss,



 And by the way



 Happy Birthday ! "



 It felt a little better



 That at least someone had remembered.











 I worked until one o'clock ,



 When Jane knocked on my door



 And said, "You know,



 It's such a beautiful day outside,



 And it is your Birthday,



 What do you say we go out to lunch,



 Just you and me."



 I said, "Thanks, Jane,



 that's the greatest thing



 I've heard all day.



 Let's go !"







 We went to lunch.



 But we didn't go



 Where we normally would go.



 She chose instead a quiet bistro



 With a private table.



 We had two martinis each



 And I enjoyed the meal tremendously.







 On the way back to the office ,



 Jane said, "You know,



 It's such a beautiful day...



 We don't need to go straight back to the office , Do We ?"







 I responded,



 "I guess not.



 What do you have in mind ?"



 She said,



 "Let's drop by my apartment,



 it's just around the corner."







 After arriving at her apartment,



 Jane turned to me and said,



 " Boss, if you don't mind,



 I'm going to step into the bedroom



 For just a moment.



 I'll be right back."







 "Ok." I nervously replied.







 She went into the bedroom and,



 After a couple of minutes,



 She came out



 Carrying a huge birthday cake ...



 Followed



 By my wife,



 My kids,



 And dozens of my friends



 And co-workers,



 All singing "Happy Birthday".











 And I just sat there...







 On the couch...







 Naked.








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Re: allergies, vision, and vit A, was Re: CS>OT Vitamin D - now allergies

[Garnet]

Not sure about Vit C but the Quercetin is suppose to be a 
natural
antihistamine. Taken with Bromelain it is helpful in 
seasonal allergies.


Garnet

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Tony Moody wrote:

On 14 Nov 2009 at 11:19, sol wrote about :
Subject : allergies, vision,  and vit A, was 


Hi Sol,

I've read that Vit C is an anti-histamine. Do you go along with that? 


I'm not particularly allergic so can't really judge for myself.

OK,
Tony


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CS>[Fwd: [LDN_RaisingAwarenessUK] Scottish Parliament petition

[Garnet]

An LDN support group in Scotland is petitioning their 
Parliament to

investigate and fund trails for Low Dose Naltrexone. Anyone may
sign this petition, you do not have to be a resident.

If you can support this petition it would be much appreciated!!

http://epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/view_petition.asp?PetitionID=353

Garnet

===

Folks, there’s 521 signatures as of today for the Scottish 
Parliament
petition.  The deadline is 20^th November and if we could 
get another
couple of hundred that would be great.  The advantage to 
signing the SP
petition is that anyone in the world can sign ie global 
petition.  It’s
only been up for 3 weeks and Bob Thomson’s MP recommended a 
one month
only petition.  As we all know, petitions are a way of 
raising a flag to
put pressure on our local governments so can you please sign 
this,

wherever you are in the world, it only takes 2 minutes

http://epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/view_petition.asp?PetitionID=353

You can also add discussion comments if you wish – very 
helpful indeed.

Everyone’s input and support is greatly appreciated.


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Re: CS>OT Vitamin D

[Garnet]

Hi Sol,

Where do you buy D3 from lanolin? I know someone on another
list who can not take any form of Vit D, she is MCS. I wonder
if this would help her?

Thanks,

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sol wrote:
Some of us who have allergies do not have a choice. For me, it was D2 or 
nothing until I found D3 from lanolin.

sol

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I thought that D2 was not beneficial though, only D3.  dee

On 11 Nov 2009, at 04:47, Clayton Family wrote:
I take D2-since
the only D3 I can find is allergenic for me. 



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Re: CS>~Repost request, CS & DMSO for gingivitis

[Garnet]

J-Lee,

Is this the post you were looking for?

Garnet

==

Okay Bob,
Here it is.  I have personally used this time and time again 
both for

dental and gum problems, as well as for whitening my teeth.
It works!
S-Max



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/*From:*/ Brooks Bradley <mailto:brooks76...@lycos.com>
/*Date:*/ 7/6/2009 5:16:06 PM
/*To:*/ silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
/*Subject:*/ [RE]CS>periodontal (gum) disease

Dear Ken,
There are a number of protocols which have demonstrated 
quite powerful
effect against periodontal disease...sodium perborate 
(liberated H202 is
the actual effective agent) was used, quite effectively---as 
long ago as

1930s. There are numerous, simple, protocols leveraging off of
H2O2...which have proved most effective for addressing most 
all of the
anaerobic forms causing this distressing challenge. One 
quite simple
protocol which we employed, repeatedly, among a sizable 
volunteer group

during the early 1990s included:

1. gently brushing the teeth with a SOFT BRISTLE toothbrush 
for about 15
seconds (light bleeding is quite common and proved to be 
quite harmless).


2. Rinsing the mouth with clean tap or distilled water.

3. Using a mixture of 3.5% H202 (common drugstore variety) 
at 90% volume
with DMSO (full strength) at 10% volume of the complete 
mixture -swish
about one tablespoon in the mouth for approximately 30 
secondsor
until the amount of foam-forming is so great as to require 
expectoration

- and spit the entire solution out.

4. Rised mouth with clear water for about 5 seconds and 
REPEATED
protocol segment Number 3., except DID N0T rinse the mouth 
with water or

other liquid for 5 minutes after this last step.
Repeated three times daily (after meals, was preferable), 
this simple
protocol successfully eliminated over 90% of ALL of the 
periodontal

insults of a bacterial originwithin 7 to 9 days.
5. From calendar year 1995 onward, the introduction of 10 to 
15 ppm
colloidal silver ( 95% by volume) and DMSO full strength (5% 
by volume)
as a final rinse (about 15 seconds), shortened the recovery 
to an

average of 5 days.
Our collective opinion is that it is ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL to 
purposely
keep the knowledge of such simple, powerful and ECONOMICAL 
protocols

from the general population.
Do remember all of my stated protocols are EXPERIMENTAL in 
nature and
designed to be used by OTHER EXPERIMENTAL medical 
researchers and DO NOT

constitute ANY form of medical practice---OR ADVICE.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley


>
>
>
> J- Lee wrote:
>
>  Hello Group,
>  Some weeks back, someone posted their method for 
treating
> gingivitis (or worse, periodontosis) with CS & 
DMSO.  As I
> recall, it wasn't a specific post on that topic, 
it was within a
> reply to something else.  I think it was a 90/10 
mix of CS/DMSO,
> just can't remember how many times per day, and 
how long it took
> to achieve results.  It may have been Garnet? 
Anyhow, would be
> grateful to learn of what others do, and how well 
it has worked.
>  Apparently I have a rather tenacious biofilm 
below the gumline
> that has not responded well to conventional 
treatment.

>  Many thanks in advance,
>  J-Lee
>


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Re: CS>Squalene in vaccine

[Garnet]

Some people feel that oral DMSO is detoxing. I
don't know one way or the other.

DMSO Nature's Healer is a good book by Morton
Walker DPM.

A teaspoon mixed with orange juice is a common
way to take it.

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jr orrilia wrote:
DMSO is a degreaser?  Good point and thanks Bob. Hope someone can answer 
that.



*From:* Day Sutton 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Fri, November 13, 2009 9:56:39 AM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Squalene in vaccine

Wouldn't  DMSO do this???

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Bob Banever <mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net>> wrote:


Vinegar might be effective in emulsifying the oil.  It does this
outside the body very well.
 
Bob


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*Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Squalene in vaccine


I just wanted to know what some of you might think of this
detoxification of squalene.  As per Dr. Rebecca Carley, when the
squalene is injected into the bloodstream, the immune system
kicks in and tries to remove it, and when it does, not knowing
what is foreign anymore, will remove squalene from the body in
areas such as joints, brain, .which in turn turns into auto
immune diseases.  I guess this is why there were so many sick
with the Gulf War Syndrome, what what they experienced was
stiffness of the body.  This man discusses that CS will take
care of metals, but as for squalene, since squalene is an oil,
you need a degreaser to remove it from the bloodstream.  These
are his words:
 
"I recommended only a few drops of liquid dish soap, 1 TIME,

after the vax, to clear the squalene oil from your blood stream,
so as to prevent your suffering rheumatoid arthritis when your
body begins antibody production against this natural oil that's
SUPPOSED to be in your brain and joints AND NOT in your blood
stream.'  This is the YOUTUBE video  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp7Dh3vWmHk
 
Any input is appreciated, since I have been looking for a way to

detox in case of forced vaccination.  I have heard that clay and
MMS could be helpful.  Here is the youtube video from that man.
 
Orrilia
 
 


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Re: CS>~Repost request, CS & DMSO for gingivitis

[Garnet]

Ipsab by Home Health is excellent for gingivitis. There is a
liquid and a tooth powder. Paint the liquid on twice a day with
a Q Tip. It has prickly ash bark.

I was not the one who posted on CS and DMSO for gums
but it would also be a good remedy to paint on but might
give you some garlic breath so you might want to test
before going out. Chlorophyll gel caps may help with this.
Others say adding honey to the mix helps with the odor.

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J- Lee wrote:
 
Hello Group,
 
Some weeks back, someone posted their method for treating gingivitis (or 
worse, periodontosis) with CS & DMSO.  As I recall, it wasn't a specific 
post on that topic, it was within a reply to something else.  I think it 
was a 90/10 mix of CS/DMSO, just can't remember how many times per day, 
and how long it took to achieve results.  It may have been Garnet?  
Anyhow, would be grateful to learn of what others do, and how well it 
has worked.  Apparently I have a rather tenacious biofilm below the 
gumline that has not responded well to conventional treatment.
 
Many thanks in advance,
 
J-Lee
 
 
 



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CS>Kratom

[Garnet]

Information on this herb was recently posted to a
list where many use pain killers for their MS or
other diseases. Because it is helpful in getting
off opiate based pain killers I thought I would
pass the information along.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kratom

It is legal in the US. I am also told that the
tincture is more addictive and harder to get off
of so use the leaf.

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Reposted from Nov 3:
 
Kratom (mitragyna speciosa) is used to wean people off opiates. Its 
legal, i used it to get off a 2 1/2 year addiction to morphine, it 
worked for me. Only had depression for a few days and a cold (from 
withdrawal) then i was fine. I took 9 capsules every 6 hours, next day 8 
capsules, next day 7 capsules etc until i was off it. No hospital or 
anything, 14 days later no addiction, no withdrawal. Still have left 
over morphine, no reason to touch it :-) Read up on it, its better than 
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Re: CS>Strange question

[Garnet]

I agree with the idea that fluorescent lights can cause health
effects in sensitive people. And are known to be the least
healthy light source for anyone.

Here is a good page with a questionnaire that helps people 
identify a

possible sensitivity.

http://www.ei-resource.org/illness-information/related-conditions/electrical-sensitivity-&-hypersensitivity/

Even though you are taking a Mg supplement and using
Mg Oil you could still be deficient in Mg. The trace mineral 
silicon
is essential to Calcium and Magnesium absorption and 
utilization.

Good sources are leafy greens and herbs like Nettles, Oat Straw
and Horse tail. Also in onions, best when lightly cooked or 
raw.
Chelated minerals, especially the orotate forms are better 
than non-chelated.


If stress is increasing your cortisol levels during the day 
then your Mg

levels could be dropping by the end of the day.

You may be experiencing a combination effect of all of the
above or some other physical condition may be contributing.
Repetitive motion and posture while you are working may
be part of how you feel at the end off the day. Also the 
level of

electromagnetic exposures in the work place during the day is
worth looking at.

Garnet

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Deborah Gerard wrote:
Thanks for your reply..I take 6-800mg's of Magnesium with calcium when I 
go to bed at night and in the morning I spray my inner arms with Mg oil 
before I go to work...wonder what gives...debbie


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*Sent:* Fri, November 6, 2009 5:01:41 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Strange question

Muscle spasms can be a symptoms of Magnesium deficiency.

Try taking Magnesium, an easy way is to use Milk of Magnesia, small
amounts will be absorbed if you are deficient and not cause the laxative
effect. Spread it out over the day or use at the end of the day. MOM is
rapidly absorbed.

There are many food sources of Mg like almonds, cashews, peanuts,
dark leafy greens, dark chocolate.

There are topical Mg "Oils", that are not really oils, but concentrated
sea water. They are costly but they can be applied topically to the
area.

Best way to get Mg is in your food. At the end of the day your muscles
may be fatigued and more prone to spasm.

Full spectrum bulbs would be nice, and although costly they last many
times longer than ordinary fluorescents and would increase worker
productivity. Maybe they would go for it? 6,000 kelvin is the
rating to look for. Not just Grow Lights for plants.

Garnet



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Deborah Gerard wrote:
 > This is bizarre problem...I have a problem with florescent lights in 
our breakroom at work...they don't bother me before work it is when I am 
almost done at night and I sit there for about twenty minutes and I get 
spasms in my neck that are unreal...anyone have any info on such a 
problem...I do try to stay out of the room as much as possible and am 
not there for eight hours during my shift,

 > thanks much,
 > debbie
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Re: CS>Strange question

[Garnet]

Muscle spasms can be a symptoms of Magnesium deficiency.

Try taking Magnesium, an easy way is to use Milk of 
Magnesia, small
amounts will be absorbed if you are deficient and not cause 
the laxative
effect. Spread it out over the day or use at the end of the 
day. MOM is

rapidly absorbed.

There are many food sources of Mg like almonds, cashews, 
peanuts,

dark leafy greens, dark chocolate.

There are topical Mg "Oils", that are not really oils, but 
concentrated
sea water. They are costly but they can be applied topically 
to the

area.

Best way to get Mg is in your food. At the end of the day 
your muscles

may be fatigued and more prone to spasm.

Full spectrum bulbs would be nice, and although costly they 
last many
times longer than ordinary fluorescents and would increase 
worker

productivity. Maybe they would go for it? 6,000 kelvin is the
rating to look for. Not just Grow Lights for plants.

Garnet



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Deborah Gerard wrote:
This is bizarre problem...I have a problem with florescent lights in our 
breakroom at work...they don't bother me before work it is when I am 
almost done at night and I sit there for about twenty minutes and I get 
spasms in my neck that are unreal...anyone have any info on such a 
problem...I do try to stay out of the room as much as possible and am 
not there for eight hours during my shift,

thanks much,
debbie




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Re: CS>X PPM to start process

[Garnet]

Are you by any chance using the charcoal post filter that comes
with some of the one gallon distillers? If that it couls be the
reason.

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Clayton Family wrote:

You could run it through the distiller again, to see if it gets any better.

Wouldn't kill you but not ideal.

On Nov 6, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Max Schanfarber wrote:


I bought a water distiller and TDS meter.  After distilling the water
it reads 5 PPM.  Is this good enough to make CS?

Thanks,
Maxi




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Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: CS>My adventures in Lip. Encaps. Vits.

[Garnet]

Just wanted to say that ALA varies greatly in quality and to
be sure it is not coming from China when you buy.

Dr Bert Burkson was head of ALA investigations for the
FDA when he was at the NIH. He uses ALA in treating
cancer, often by IV. He is now in private practice
and is the director of the Integrative Medicine Center of New
Mexico, located in Las Cruces, and is the author of
The Alpha-Lipoic Acid Breakthrough.

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Marshall Dudley wrote:
What advantage dos liposomal Alpha Lipoic Acid  have over normal Alpha 
Lipoic Acid ?


Thanks,

Marshall

Acmeair wrote:




Nov 5, 2009 03:05:44 PM, res00...@verizon.net 
<mailto:res00...@verizon.net> wrote:





Aug 31, 2009 02:57:00 PM, res00...@verizon.net
<mailto:res00...@verizon.net> wrote:

hey sandy,  you're heading down the path that i am. let's keep
the info stream acoming.  vita c, l-proline, and l-lysine is
the linus pauling's heart recipe. kelp and tumeric are
interesting.thanks,jim from  livingston


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Hi all
 I guess at this point it could be said Brooks 
has created

a monster. :)
 After my first several batches of Vit C which 
continued to

separate I decided to try a different Vit C powder. I came
to realize the C I bought at the health food store had 
buffers

so I ordered a better C without any additives. While I
waited for my C to arrive I decided to try making
liposomal d-ribose. It turned out perfect!...nice creamy
color with absolutely no separation. ah ha...I then felt
sure when my vit C arrived it would turn out exactly as it
was supposed to.
 My C came today, I made it and it turned out 
perfect! So

far I have also made liposomal L-Lysine and liposomal
Alpha Lipoic Acid which also turned out perfect! B-Complex
and Marine Kelp is next on my list. For some reason I
cannot take iodine so I am hoping liposomal kelp will work
for me.
 Something else I did differently was to stop 
blending my

lecithin for as long as I had before...maybe only 10
seconds now. I believe these small adjustments make a
difference. I also process my mixtures for 8 min [4 cycles
in the UC] instead of the 6.
 Did I mention turmeric? ha ha
 Best regards...

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Re: CS>Premixed CS/DMSO?

[Garnet]

Because DMSO is an anti-oxidant and H2O2 is a strong
oxidizer I would not store the two together as you would
probably end up with water and MSM, from H2O2
giving up one of its oxygen atoms to the DMSO and
forming DMSO2, which is MSM.

I am not a chemist so I can't verify this, however if I
were using them together at all I would mix them up
fresh for each use.

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slickpic...@cox.net wrote:

Correction..DMSO/hydrogen peroxide solution.

 sol  wrote: 


=
I make it up ahead of time and use it till it is gone.
sol

Peter Converse wrote:

Hi Folks,
 
If using a mixture of CS and DMSO does one need to mix it freshly at the 
time of usage or could one make a larger batch and expect it to be o.k. 
over time, such as making up a pint for repeated daily mouth swishing?



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Re: CS>Premixed CS/DMSO?

[Garnet]

I mix DMSO with EIS and store it until it is used up. There's
no reason not to as far as I can tell.

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Peter Converse wrote:

Hi Folks,
 
If using a mixture of CS and DMSO does one need to mix it freshly at the 
time of usage or could one make a larger batch and expect it to be o.k. 
over time, such as making up a pint for repeated daily mouth swishing?
 
many thanks,
 
Peter
 
 



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Re: CS>

[Garnet]

LDN has been used by Dr Phil Boyle to treat endometriosis. 
He has a website and is
located in Ireland. He has been pioneering the use of LDN in 
infertility and hormone

balance issues that are auto immune related.

Lots of people taking LDN for preventative reasons report 
hormone balancing benefits.


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Bob Smith wrote:
I sent a message to the other list yesterday asking for information on 
endometriosis and would any application of EIS be of any benefit.  Now I 
am having a problem opening that site, so don't know if I've had a 
response. How about here  Bob Smith


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Re: CS>(LL) I know lung cancer has been on the list

[Garnet]

Alpha Omega Labs makes a Cansema Capsule for internal use.

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Rowena wrote:

For what it is worth, this was just posted on the cancercured list:

has anyone heard of any success stories taking black salve internally. 
wondering what the long term use on the stomach might possibly have. I 
found this information on a past blog entry from a few years back.

INTERNAL USE

What is reported here is the result of informal trial and error on the
part of many non-professional folks intent on healing themselves or their
animals. What follows has been gleaned from letters and interviews with
users
over 30 years, which means it is based on experience but is by no means
complete. Internal cancers of all known body zones have dissolved under the
onslaught of Black Salve. Black Salve hunts down and kills abnormal tissue
wherever it is. The following are known examples:

.Colon cancer and uterine cancer have been healed with not only the 
internal

dosing described below, but by also using enemas or
douche, of one quart water, to which was added one full "dried pea" volume
of salve.

.Brain cancer should be monitored by a professional because of the swelling
that will occur. It may have to be relieved by a surgical
hole being placed in th skull to relieve the pressure.

.Breast cancer has been healed with internal and external applications.

.Emphysema, AIDS and viruses also seem to come under subjection to Black
Salve.

SPECIFIC DIRECTIONS

For the first 20 days, use a non-metal utensil to lift out enough salve
to make a ball HALF the size of a dried pea. Pack the half pea dose into a
gelatin capsule and swallow it after you have eaten a meal! It is somewhat
acidic having a pH like vinegar and could make you nauseated if you take on
an empty stomach. It is best to use wood or plastic utensils when handling
it. For 20 days, take this dose each morning after breakfast and each
evening
after dinner. This means take Black Salve for 20 days, twice a day, always
on
a full stomach.

WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT DURING THE FIRST 20 DAYS?

Lymphomas, such as appear on the neck or arm, may change from the
texture
of a hard lump to rather soft, pliable, even squishy. During the first 20
days you may continuously run a low fever. Sweat, urine and feces may take
on
offensive odor and be darker than usual. At the 20 day mark, it is wise to
have a competent physician take a biopsy, or test your cancer for
malignancy.
For many, but not all people, the test reveals that the cancerous tissue is
dead, but present.
After the first 20 days, during which the salve has built a great deal
of
zinc into your system, it is prudent to take a complete five day break from
the salve. During these five days, you may wish to double you doses of
vitamins and minerals. This helps balance the system. If you think the
illness or growth may still be somewhat present, you may take the salve for
a
second 20 day period, just as directed above. If needed, up to four can be
done. After you have completed the internal use, supplement you diet with
vitamins and minerals, fresh clean filtered water, organic veggies and
fruit.
This helps the healing and the rebuilding of your health! Avoid caffeine 
and

alcohol. Take extra vitamin C!

WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING

BLACK SALVE CONTAINS HERBS THAT ARE LISTED AS POISONOUS BY THE FDA. IT ALSO
CONTAINS ZINC CHLORIDE, WHICH IS VERY CAUSTIC. DO NOT GET IN YOUR EYES. 
KEEP

OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN. IF ACCIDENTAL CONSUMPTION OCCURS, GIVE ACTIVATED
CHARCOAL ORALLY IN POWDER FORM MIXED WITH WATER AND SLOWLY DRINK AS NEEDED.
AVOID ANY POSSIBLE ACCIDENTS. USE EXTREME CAUTION!



zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
I don't have any of the information archived. I just got this from my 
nephew & any help any of you can give I will pass on to him for his 
friend.. thanks very much--Lois
   Hi Lois. With all the medical things you find, you may be able to 
help. I have a friend that's past what the doctors are able to do with 
lung Cancer and asbestosis. If you know of or heard of something, I'd 
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Re: CS>OT: ??? CS stays in body and stored as a heavy metal?????

[Garnet]

Ask your doctor if CS is toxic why is it used to purify the 
water on ocean going
vessels? Betcha she has no knowledge of this use. As she is 
also clueless that
Silver is not a heavy metal and that in fact the term heavy 
metal is not technical

at all. Chemistry has no term such as "heavy" metal.

But of course you are not going to convert her. So why waste 
your breath?


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Stacy Rappaport wrote:

Hi All,

I saw my LLMD after a year of being off bax and recently trying rife and 
CS. She tells me that there are no studies on the effects of taking CS, 
that CS doesn't leave the body and it stores it as a heavy metal. She 
believes ABX has been clinically tested and shown to work.


Now I know talking alternative to a mainstream LLMD is going to get a 
reaction. I got it!


I've been reading posts, asking questions for 3 months and wanting to 
move forward. I rife weekly, have tried CS, taken IV and oral abx and 
more and have continued to take organic whole food suoolements. There's 
much I don't know but I've been learning nad researching.


Can anyone point me to information about the toxicity of CS or lack thereof?

Thanks so much.

BE well,
Stacy



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Re: CS>HNPP

[Garnet]

If there is a genetic component it may be auto immune. LDN 
is helpful
in many auto immune disorders. It has been show to stop the 
progression
of MS including demyelinations in at least 70 - 80% of 
patients.


Starting with a very low dose just twice a week is a great 
way to ease

into the therapy.

There are a number of Yahoo lists and info sites.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Very_Low_Dose_Naltrexone

Discusses very low dose and interval dosing.

Information is spread out over many sites and lists because 
there is not
enough formal dose response data across all conditions so 
that patient

reports are the main source of info, not unlike CS.

Personally I take 0.5 mg twice a week, very low and spread 
out but
it is working for my allergies and I will slowly increase, 
but some
go right to 4.5 mg every night. Depends on your individual 
reaction.


Worth looking into since it is cheap and low tox, also has many
fringe benefits of preventing cancer, colds, flus, improving 
general

health.

www.alldaychemist.com sells 50 mg tabs without an Rx, which can
be diluted in 50 ml of distilled water to produce a 1 mg/ml 
solution.


Many people use these tablets for years with great results 
in their

severe MS and other conditions.

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Marshall Dudley wrote:

My son in law has this disorder: *http://www.hnpp.org/whatis.htm

My granddaughter is now showing signs of it.  Does anyone have any 
information on this, or a remedy?  It is caused by **demyelinating.


thanks,

Marshall
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Re: CS>Liposomal C

[Garnet]

There are non-soy lecithins.

http://www.austradeinc.com/non-soy-lecithin-powder.html

Garnet

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Gina Moore wrote:
I know about the dangers of MSG.  I am wondering about soy lecithin 
being a source for MSG.  I’m using it to make Liposomal Vit C and really 
don’t know if I should or not!


 

Does anyone know of another emulsifying agent to use to make liposomal C 
other than soy lecithin?


 


Thanks!

Gina

 




*From:* Laurie Valente [mailto:lvalen...@cox.net]
*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2009 3:06 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CS>Liposomal C

 

Check out the website www.truthinlabeling.org 
<http://www.truthinlabeling.org>  it has a link for some other names MSG 
is known to be. Read the labels carefully. I printed out the list and 
carry it with me to the grocery store to be sure to purchase items 
without MSG. www.dorway.com <http://www.dorway.com>  and 
www.russelblaylockmd.com <http://www.russelblaylockmd.com> are another 
source if you'd like to learn more. 

 


Laurie

- Original Message -

*From:* Gina Moore <mailto:vegasmom...@cox.net>

*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>

*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2009 8:15 AM

*Subject:* CS>Liposomal C

 


I’ve made a few batches of the liposomal C, and they seem to be
fine.  I’ve been taking 2oz daily.  I have a couple of questions though…

 


How do you make it more palatable?  I’ve been putting my salt water
in it and that helps tremendously.  I have Lyme disease and am doing
the salt/c protocol – I take about 10gm salt (Redmond’s) in water
daily, along with the Vit C (which the liposomal version is working
beautifully for).  I just wondered what others were doing to get it
down easier, or if that was even an issue.

 


My other thing is I like to read/watch a lot of things and I saw
somewhere that Soy Lecithin is MSG in disguise!  Anyone know if this
is true?  I’m going to do some research on it, but I was quite
alarmed at the statement!  MSG is something I avoid like the plauge!

 


Just wanted to get your thoughts…

Gina




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Re: CS>water distiller

[Garnet]

Didn't someone post a home made version not too long ago.

It's just boiling water with a collection plate that 
channels the

condensing steam into a collection bottle.

Garnet

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Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
The thing is Garnet, I am in the UK and these although reasonable in the 
US end up costing the earth with postage and then our tax, and some just 
do not deliver here either.  You've also got the time it takes to get 
here too to think about.  Thanks for the info. dee


On 26 Oct 2009, at 16:26, Garnet wrote:


The one gallon counter top distillers are all made by the
same company, at least all of the ones that I have seen
on line. Sears actually used to carry them. Some of the
online dealers sell them for as much as $349, most sell
them for $249. I have only seen two places sell them
for $129, now. I paid $99 for mine five or six years ago.

You can email the guy at Wholesale Water Distillers,
he has a lot of info and has the best prices I have seen.

Garnet




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Re: CS>water distiller

[Garnet]

The one gallon counter top distillers are all made by the
same company, at least all of the ones that I have seen
on line. Sears actually used to carry them. Some of the
online dealers sell them for as much as $349, most sell
them for $249. I have only seen two places sell them
for $129, now. I paid $99 for mine five or six years ago.

You can email the guy at Wholesale Water Distillers,
he has a lot of info and has the best prices I have seen.

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Kirsteen Wright wrote:



On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick <mailto:d...@deetroy.org>> wrote:


what make is yours Kirsteen, although I know you have probably  said
before. 



Hi, it's actualy on top of the cabinets right now and i can't reach it 
but I'm pretty sure it's called OdeV. I've seen several others online 
and they all look pretty similar.


cheers
Kirsteen




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Re: CS>Liposomal C

[Garnet]

I have heard that autolyzed yeast extract is MSG. If
you read labels and see yeast extract then it is
another way of saying MSG and still claiming no
MSG and natural status. Swanson's Chicken
Broth makes this claim but has yeast extract in
it and tastes like the same flavor enhancement to
me.

I am surprised to hear a claim that Lecithin is MSG,
that does not sound right?

Where did you find this information?

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Gina Moore wrote:
I’ve made a few batches of the liposomal C, and they seem to be fine. 
 I’ve been taking 2oz daily.  I have a couple of questions though…


 

How do you make it more palatable?  I’ve been putting my salt water in 
it and that helps tremendously.  I have Lyme disease and am doing the 
salt/c protocol – I take about 10gm salt (Redmond’s) in water daily, 
along with the Vit C (which the liposomal version is working beautifully 
for).  I just wondered what others were doing to get it down easier, or 
if that was even an issue.


 

My other thing is I like to read/watch a lot of things and I saw 
somewhere that Soy Lecithin is MSG in disguise!  Anyone know if this is 
true?  I’m going to do some research on it, but I was quite alarmed at 
the statement!  MSG is something I avoid like the plauge!


 


Just wanted to get your thoughts…

Gina




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Re: CS>water distiller

[Garnet]

Citric should be fine. Any weak acid will remove the hard water
sediment.

I use pickling vinegar because it is cheap. It does not 
matter if
it is distilled since it is not being consumed. I do avoid 
the fumes

though, from any vinegar, because they will give me a headache.

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Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
thank you for the info Garnet, I buy white vinegar from Dri-Pak which I 
use round the house anyway.  But of course here in the UK you cannot get 
it in anything other than spray bottles (in my experience)  this is the 
proper white vinegar, not the distilled one.  I expect I shall have a 
lot of cleaning to do as our water is really hard here.  I was wondering 
if citric acid would be ok to use because this cleaned my kettle out of 
all the crud that was in  it and left it absolutely sparkling!  dee


On 26 Oct 2009, at 13:59, Garnet wrote:


The one gallon counter top that I bought from Wholesale Water Distillers
has to be refilled each time. And there is sediment, depending on how
much mineral is in your water to begin with, that has to be rinsed or 
wiped

out between batches. Every so many I clean the stuck on sediment that
will not rinse or wipe out with hot water and vinegar.

The frequency of cleaning will vary with your water. I add about  one
cup of white vinegar and fill it with water, then use a dinner plate 
as the

top I plug it in and let it heat. You do not want to use the top of the
distiller for the cleaning cycle. This cleans all the sediment and it 
is good

for about 10 gallons before the sediment gets too thick again.

It mostly develops spots that stick on and will not wipe off. These must
be cleaned periodically to prevent damage to the stainless steel line if
they build up too thick.

If you can find 9% pickling vinegar you don't have to use as much as
the common 5% white vinegar and saves you some money and trouble
buying extra vinegar. I buy a gallon at a time and use it for other house
hold cleaning.

Garnet




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Re: CS>water distiller

[Garnet]

The one gallon counter top that I bought from Wholesale 
Water Distillers
has to be refilled each time. And there is sediment, 
depending on how
much mineral is in your water to begin with, that has to be 
rinsed or wiped
out between batches. Every so many I clean the stuck on 
sediment that

will not rinse or wipe out with hot water and vinegar.

The frequency of cleaning will vary with your water. I add 
about  one
cup of white vinegar and fill it with water, then use a 
dinner plate as the
top I plug it in and let it heat. You do not want to use the 
top of the
distiller for the cleaning cycle. This cleans all the 
sediment and it is good

for about 10 gallons before the sediment gets too thick again.

It mostly develops spots that stick on and will not wipe 
off. These must
be cleaned periodically to prevent damage to the stainless 
steel line if

they build up too thick.

If you can find 9% pickling vinegar you don't have to use as 
much as

the common 5% white vinegar and saves you some money and trouble
buying extra vinegar. I buy a gallon at a time and use it 
for other house

hold cleaning.

Garnet

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Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Hi all, just a question about water distillers - table top variety.  Do 
you have to keep filling it up, or is there a way of adding water 
automatically.  TIA dee



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Re: CS>Raw Cider Vinegar

[Garnet]

Vinegar and vinegar containing foods are suppose to help with
digestion. They do acidify the stomach but will help the system
alkalize.

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Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I actually thought that ACV is alkalising, but am probably wrong.  dee

On 24 Oct 2009, at 19:59, Kirsteen Wright wrote:

Thanks for all the advice everyone. Of course, I'm still thoroughly 
confused .


I don't have candida (at least not as far as I know :-)  But the food 
intolerance test definitely showed a strong reaction to yeast. So if 
the yeast is live I guess I should be avoiding it?  On the other hand 
I have low HCL (in fact I take a supplement for that) and was hoping 
the raw apple cider vinegar would help with that.


Why is life so complicated :-)

Thanks
Kirsteen






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Re: CS>Raw Cider Vinegar

[Garnet]

You have it right Dee but I also heard that you should do this
first thing in the morning before you have had anything to
eat or drink.

It can also show some false negatives, so may not mean you
do not have Candida if your spit floats. There are medical
tests for Candida too, the OATES test I believe.

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Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
You can try the spit test for candida.  You take a glass of water and 
spit in it and if the spit either drops down to the bottom or 'trails' 
down, you have candida.  If it sits on the top, you don't.  At least I 
believe it is this way around!  dee


On 24 Oct 2009, at 21:36, Kirsteen Wright wrote:




On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Malcolm <mailto:s...@asis.com>> wrote:




Find out WHAT "yeast" and how determined; i.e., skin test, etc.


I've no idea what yeast. It was the test from www.food-detective.com 
<http://www.food-detective.com/>. My nutritionist recommended it as 
the most reliable of the home tests, though she does admit it's got 
it's limits. Basically you take some blood, add it to the developer 
and pour it into this little tray (there's actually about 3 or 4 
steps) and watch for a change in colour.







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Re: CS>can anyone make a suggestion about an open wound

[Garnet]

A 20% DMSO 80% EIS compress is not a bad way to go.
Although it is not the best way to deal with large areas of
tissue destruction, it might be good for an incision.

The type of wound she has can take a long time to heal.

It is going to weep a lot and needs to be kept open and
draining as it heal from the inside out.

Closing it prematurely will cause infection.

There are wound care specialists, generally a plastic surgeon.
I used a wound care clinic when I had a bad dog bite wound,
that killed off the skin and dermal layers down to the muscle.

It was a whole new world, much like burn treatment, healing
the area. Took a month to heal a 1.75 " area as the skin had
to grow in from the sides, it is pure scar tissue.

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Clayton Family wrote:
I assume that it is an opening into the abdominal cavity. An incision 
into the body is often left to heal on it's own these days since the 
chance of infection is so great if it is sewed shut. It can take some 
weeks to close on its own. I would be tempted to get some silver 
bandages to use over it, even though they are pretty spendy. 
Alternatively, keeping a gauze dampened with CS might just do the same 
thing as far as keeping it from getting infected. I would be tempted to 
ask the doctor if a silver dressing would make the skin heal too fast- 
maybe they don't want it to close too soon, due to risk of infection.


Kathryn

On Oct 23, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Bernadette wrote:

My friend was diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer.  They discovered 
it on a Thursday and on the following Tuesday she was operated on and 
everything "female" was taken out.  They closed up her belly-button 
since a lymph node was pushing through (that is how they found out 
about the ovarian cancer). Now the incision will not heal properly. 
   She is on chemo for 1 year - going once a week (three weeks on and 
one week off).  Other than the cancer she is in excellent health.  She 
is 66 years old.  Would CS help heal this type of open wound?  She 
wrote the following:


"As far as my opening the Dr. said that there is nothing more he can 
do. TO reopen it they would have to stop the cemo and that becomes a 
real problem in the chances are the cemo would not work. So we will go 
with the cemo and hope that maybe this will close on its own. There is 
that chance. It is not in fected at this time and if I keep it clean 
it should be fine."


She is willing to try different approaches - I would like to give her 
some suggestions and then she can make up her own mind as to try them 
or not. Thank you for any help you could afford her.


Bernadette





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Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

[Garnet]

If I were doing it for long periods I probably would but I am
only doing it during flu season.

Testing never hurts though.

Garnet

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Dan Nave wrote:

When you are taking these higher doses, you are supposed to get your
levels tested...

Dan

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Jonathan B. Britten
 wrote:

A caveat:  the Life Extension Foundation nutrition "bible" calls for much
smaller doses.

LEF does not avoid calling for vitamin does far higher than RDA, so when
they suggest caution, I tend to pay attention.

Here's a link to a page with many links.

http://search.lef.org/search/default.aspx?s=1&QUERY=d3







On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, at 09:06 Asia/Tokyo, Garnet wrote:


One recommendation is to start out with 10,000 iu D3 for
30 days, then 5,000 iu per day for maintenance. If you
get the flu take 50,000 iu for three days.

This is per the recommendation of Dr Jaquelyn McCandless
who is working with Low Dose Naltrexone for HIV and Autism.

Autistic kids have poor immune function according to her.

She also recommends LDN for all her patients over 60 as
a preventative and libido booster.

Garnet

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Bob Banever wrote:

Marshall,
   How much D3 would you consume?  I take 5000mg as a preventative every
day.
   Bob
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

C is good, but D3 is much better, and don't forget the CS.

Marshall

arthur rambo wrote:

For what its worth, I just came from a home where swine flu is
suspected, started feeling something come on very soon after getting home;
have been taking 30-40,000 mg vit c each hour since; the "head feeling"
keeps recurring, but subsides minutes after each dose. I've done this in the
past with success in modulating the flu so I was able to keep working with
only mild symptoms. ( I was not in a place with people; I worked alone)
  I must have something, because I have not had so much as a rumble
with all this c.



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*Subject:* Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

Thanks, Dad!

On Oct 20, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:


http://www.prisonplanet.com/europeans-reject-swine-flu-vaccine.html

Dad




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Re: CS>can anyone make a suggestion about an open wound

[Garnet]

Oat Straw and Nettles are also good sources of Si,
herbal teas are a great way to get a range of minerals
and can be made up to have a good flavor if you add
some lemon grass or peppermint.

And onions if you like them, lightly cooked, raw is
highest.

When I first heard of Si for fingernails and hair I tried
eating onions for breakfast, lunch and dinner when the
Walla Wallas were in season in Seattle one year. It was
an amazing experiment, did it for a month, never have
my fingernails been so thick and hard.

I ate onions every way I could for that month, lightly
sauteed with my omlettes, as a side dish raw, lightly
marinated in vinegar or oil and black pepper with a
bit of sugar, cooked in marinara sauce, chili or stir
fry, baked ~ not going work if you hate onions though!

Garnet

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Gayla Roberts wrote:

A tea made from horsetail (shavegrass) is very high in silica.
Gayla
Bob and Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, CA
- Original Message - From: "Garnet" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: CS>can anyone make a suggestion about an open wound



Silicon is a trace mineral that enhances absorption and utilization
of Magnesium and Calcium. Studies in Thoroughbred Race Horses
support it's efficacy in preventing and shortening healing time
from injuries.

Zinc is another trace mineral that is important in wound healing and
is used in diaper rash ointments. Desitin is used by many or just
straight Zinc Oxide ointment, the white stuff that life guards used
to use on their nose.

Vit A & D are also ingredients in skin healing ointments.

And Vit C!

Garnet

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arthur rambo wrote:
For what its worth, I had a broken leg that was slow to heal, mainly 
because I wouldn't stay off of it, but it healed very fast when I 
began to take silica gel. I got mine from Whole Foods; probably 
everyone has it.


----
*From:* Garnet 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Fri, October 23, 2009 1:42:47 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>can anyone make a suggestion about an open wound

Calendula is a great herb for healing wounds. I like the salve
from Herb Pharm called Herbal Ed's Salve, works really fast
to close a wound. She can make a calendula tea and compress
the area as well.

I have used the salve many times to close wounds rapidly
and to heal chapped lips. It works in 24 hrs sometimes on
chapped lips which for me is fast.

Herbal Ed's salve has other goodies in it too, like Plantain.
www.herb-pharm.net <http://www.herb-pharm.net/>

Some Whole Food stores carry it.

Garnet

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Bernadette wrote:
 >
 > My friend was diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer.  They 
discovered it on a Thursday and on the following Tuesday she was 
operated on and everything "female" was taken out.  They closed up 
her belly-button since a lymph node was pushing through (that is how 
they found out about the ovarian cancer). Now the incision will not 
heal properly.She is on chemo for 1 year - going once a week 
(three weeks on and one week off).. Other than the cancer she is in 
excellent health.  She is 66 years old. Would CS help heal this type 
of open wound?  She wrote the following:

 >
 > "As far as my opening the Dr. said that there is nothing more he 
can do. TO reopen it they would have to stop the cemo and that 
becomes a real problem in the chances are the cemo would not work. So 
we will go with the cemo and hope that maybe this will close on its 
own. There is that chance. It is not in fected at this time and if I 
keep it clean it should be fine."

 >
 > She is willing to try different approaches - I would like to give 
her some suggestions and then she can make up her own mind as to try 
them or not. Thank you for any help you could afford her.

 >
 > Bernadette
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Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

[Garnet]

It was formerly thought one could OD on Vit D but that is
no longer the most current thought, apparently.

Best for everyone to check it out and decide for themselves.

It's a bummer when there is conflicting information but it
happens when new info comes along and old info is being
replaced, particulatrly where risk may be involved.

Many are doing high doses of D, especially those with D
deficient disorders like MS.

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Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
A caveat:  the Life Extension Foundation nutrition "bible" calls for 
much smaller doses.


LEF does not avoid calling for vitamin does far higher than RDA, so when 
they suggest caution, I tend to pay attention.


Here's a link to a page with many links.

http://search.lef.org/search/default.aspx?s=1&QUERY=d3







On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, at 09:06 Asia/Tokyo, Garnet wrote:


One recommendation is to start out with 10,000 iu D3 for
30 days, then 5,000 iu per day for maintenance. If you
get the flu take 50,000 iu for three days.

This is per the recommendation of Dr Jaquelyn McCandless
who is working with Low Dose Naltrexone for HIV and Autism.

Autistic kids have poor immune function according to her.

She also recommends LDN for all her patients over 60 as
a preventative and libido booster.

Garnet

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Bob Banever wrote:

Marshall,
How much D3 would you consume?  I take 5000mg as a preventative 
every day.

Bob
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

C is good, but D3 is much better, and don't forget the CS.

Marshall

arthur rambo wrote:
For what its worth, I just came from a home where swine flu is 
suspected, started feeling something come on very soon after 
getting home; have been taking 30-40,000 mg vit c each hour since; 
the "head feeling" keeps recurring, but subsides minutes after each 
dose. I've done this in the past with success in modulating the flu 
so I was able to keep working with only mild symptoms. ( I was not 
in a place with people; I worked alone)
   I must have something, because I have not had so much as a 
rumble with all this c.


 


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*Subject:* Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

Thanks, Dad!

On Oct 20, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

> http://www.prisonplanet.com/europeans-reject-swine-flu-vaccine.html
>
> Dad
>
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Re: CS>trying CS, so tired and achy

[Garnet]

The trace mineral Molybdenum 150 mcg helps with herxing,
it is part of the enzyme system that converts aldehydes.

Garnet

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Marshall Dudley wrote:
You are describing a herx reaction. It means that the CS is killing 
something.  You can back off or not depending on how really bad it is. 
Remember that the herx is caused by the toxins released when you kill 
the microbes, and thus drinking lots of water is highly desirable to 
wash all the toxins out.  If you drink lots of water you might find you 
do not need to back off.


Marshall

Stacy Rappaport wrote:

Hi All, I keep trying, hopefully this reaches hte postings.

I've started using CS a few weeks ago, I got to 5 tsps, 4 xs a day but 
then ran out. someone sent me more and I started at 3tsps but felt 
pretty bad a 4. I resume CS too quickly. I backed off, stopped it and 
then resumed again wiht a lower dose. I'm at 4 tsps but feeling really 
wiped out, lost a lor fo the strength and clarity I had. Sleeping 
later, simply tired with aches that move around  and just feeling as 
if all sense are dulled.


Is this when I should back down again?  What is the process like? Do I 
simply need to wait this out ( 4tsp or 3) until I feel better? Then 
increase again?


ANy feedback would be so very helpful. I feel isolated.

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Re: CS>can anyone make a suggestion about an open wound

[Garnet]

Silicon is a trace mineral that enhances absorption and 
utilization

of Magnesium and Calcium. Studies in Thoroughbred Race Horses
support it's efficacy in preventing and shortening healing time
from injuries.

Zinc is another trace mineral that is important in wound 
healing and
is used in diaper rash ointments. Desitin is used by many or 
just
straight Zinc Oxide ointment, the white stuff that life 
guards used

to use on their nose.

Vit A & D are also ingredients in skin healing ointments.

And Vit C!

Garnet

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arthur rambo wrote:
For what its worth, I had a broken leg that was slow to heal, mainly 
because I wouldn't stay off of it, but it healed very fast when I began 
to take silica gel. I got mine from Whole Foods; probably everyone has it.


----
*From:* Garnet 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Fri, October 23, 2009 1:42:47 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>can anyone make a suggestion about an open wound

Calendula is a great herb for healing wounds. I like the salve
from Herb Pharm called Herbal Ed's Salve, works really fast
to close a wound. She can make a calendula tea and compress
the area as well.

I have used the salve many times to close wounds rapidly
and to heal chapped lips. It works in 24 hrs sometimes on
chapped lips which for me is fast.

Herbal Ed's salve has other goodies in it too, like Plantain.
www.herb-pharm.net <http://www.herb-pharm.net/>

Some Whole Food stores carry it.

Garnet

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Bernadette wrote:
 >
 > My friend was diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer.  They discovered 
it on a Thursday and on the following Tuesday she was operated on and 
everything "female" was taken out.  They closed up her belly-button 
since a lymph node was pushing through (that is how they found out about 
the ovarian cancer). Now the incision will not heal properly.She is 
on chemo for 1 year - going once a week (three weeks on and one week 
off)..  Other than the cancer she is in excellent health.  She is 66 
years old.  Would CS help heal this type of open wound?  She wrote the 
following:

 >
 > "As far as my opening the Dr. said that there is nothing more he can 
do. TO reopen it they would have to stop the cemo and that becomes a 
real problem in the chances are the cemo would not work. So we will go 
with the cemo and hope that maybe this will close on its own. There is 
that chance. It is not in fected at this time and if I keep it clean it 
should be fine."

 >
 > She is willing to try different approaches - I would like to give her 
some suggestions and then she can make up her own mind as to try them or 
not. Thank you for any help you could afford her.

 >
 > Bernadette
 >
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Re: CS>can anyone make a suggestion about an open wound

[Garnet]

Calendula is a great herb for healing wounds. I like the salve
from Herb Pharm called Herbal Ed's Salve, works really fast
to close a wound. She can make a calendula tea and compress
the area as well.

I have used the salve many times to close wounds rapidly
and to heal chapped lips. It works in 24 hrs sometimes on
chapped lips which for me is fast.

Herbal Ed's salve has other goodies in it too, like Plantain.
www.herb-pharm.net

Some Whole Food stores carry it.

Garnet

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Bernadette wrote:


My friend was diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer.  They discovered it 
on a Thursday and on the following Tuesday she was operated on and 
everything "female" was taken out.  They closed up her belly-button 
since a lymph node was pushing through (that is how they found out about 
the ovarian cancer). Now the incision will not heal properly.She is 
on chemo for 1 year - going once a week (three weeks on and one week 
off).  Other than the cancer she is in excellent health.  She is 66 
years old.  Would CS help heal this type of open wound?  She wrote the 
following:


"As far as my opening the Dr. said that there is nothing more he can do. 
TO reopen it they would have to stop the cemo and that becomes a real 
problem in the chances are the cemo would not work. So we will go with 
the cemo and hope that maybe this will close on its own. There is that 
chance. It is not in fected at this time and if I keep it clean it 
should be fine."


She is willing to try different approaches - I would like to give her 
some suggestions and then she can make up her own mind as to try them or 
not. Thank you for any help you could afford her.


Bernadette


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CS>Vitamin D3 cuts premature birth risk and protects newborn babies

[Garnet]

http://www.healthresearchforum.org.uk

Vitamin D3 cuts premature birth risk and protects newborn babies

Powerful new evidence about the way that Vitamin D3 can 
reduce the risk of premature births and boost the health of 
new-born babies has emerged from an international research 
conference in Bruges. Delegates were told that mothers who 
were given ten times the usual dose of vitamin D3 during 
pregnancy had their risk of premature birth reduced by half 
and had fewer small babies.

..

Over the two and a half years of the study thousands of 
tests were made and monitored by an external safety 
committee. Not a single test showed any adverse effect of 
the large dose of vitamin D3. The average level of vitamin D 
in the women's blood increased by about 50 per cent.


...



In addition, the normally recommended level of sun exposure 
does not produce enough vitamin D3, according to a separate 
study reported at the Bruges meeting. Sunlight is the major 
source of vitamin D3 and so advice on sun exposure is 
crucial for health. Food cannot supply more than 10% of what 
is needed.


..

Previous studies have already shown that infants born to 
vitamin D deficient mothers may be at greater risk of low 
birth weight, lower respiratory tract infections, asthma, 
and weak bones.


.

However, of particular interest is that this study 
considered levels less than 20ng/ml to indicate 
insufficiency. Vitamin D experts agree that levels less that 
50ng/ml should be considered insufficient. Had the study 
analyzed the results using levels of  less than 50ng/ml as 
the definition of insufficiency the results would have been 
much worse.


Holmes VA et al. British Journal of Nutrition 2009 Sept; 
102(6): 876-81

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Re: CS> Mannose

[Garnet]

I know part of the story from the perspective of my girlfriend
from high school. Carrigton dumped him as CEO though so
there were some hurt feelings, naturally. I don't know as
much about the Mannatech start up story. I am sure it's
a great product.

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Sandee George wrote:
Very small world as I knew them all before they became Mannatech so we 
obviously were on the ground floor !!!   So you know the tale of how it 
all happened !!?? It is amazing how small the world is

Cheers
Sandee


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Re: CS> Mannose

[Garnet]

Thanks Sandee. I actually went to grad school with the 
company founder
and am very familiar with his product. I was high school 
friends with
the daugher of the founder and man he worked for at 
Carrington Labs.

Small world, eh?

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Sandee George wrote:
Hi There Garnet - Mannose is one of the integral ingredients of all 
Mannatech products - Ambrotose being the leading product for the Immune 
System - if you would like to go to their site and check out their 
products here is their add.   www.mannatech.com   if you would like to 
look further I will be happy to give  you my distributor number.

Regards
Sandee


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Re: CS>frozen shoulder

[Garnet]

The first time I experienced frozen shoulder I went to my
chiropractor and she was able to fix it within two or three
adjustments. I felt very fortunate.

She was a really good chiro, had been in practice a long
time and had even taught at the chiro college in Olympia, WA

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Rowena wrote:
Agreed about the DMSO.  It would be a more efficient and effective way 
of doing what I did for frozen shoulder some 15 or 17 years ago now.  I 
saw a specialist and he made an appt for me to have an injection.  That 
I did NOT want.
I read up all I could - no internet then - about various herbs, and 
mixed up some ointment with various essential oils.  Aromatherapy, I 
suppose.  If in doubt, put a few drops in.  Probably in comfrey 
ointment. Maybe emu oil, too.


I put it on faithfully morning and night, and it improved.  Sorry, I 
forget what the ingredients were, but they must have been fairly easy to 
look up.


I cancelled the appointment and went back when another appointment was 
due.  The specialist put me through the tests and gave me a percentage 
of the improvement.  He asked what I had been doing, and I told him.  I 
told him the ingredients, and he said that as there was more than one, 
we wouldn't know what had done the trick.


I doubt whether he tried it on any of his other patients, anyway.  But I 
didn't need that injection any more.


Rowena

Well, the very first thing I'd use is DMSO.

 



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Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

[Garnet]

I had read that it was 20 minutes in summer and that it 
would get you

the equivalent of 20,000 iu ???

Guess it depends on who read, but one thing they all agree 
on is that
sun is good and summer sun is better, noon is the best time, 
except
maybe in Texas during the summer in which case you will 
FRY!! LOL


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Marshall Dudley wrote:
It is my understanding that 15 minutes in noon day sun will get you 
40,000, so you can work from there as to what the body can safely handle.


Marshall

Bob Banever wrote:

Garnet,

   Thanks.  That 50,000mg dose seems like alot.   Any info on 
safety or


side effects at that dosage?

   Bob
- Original Message - From: "Garnet" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines



One recommendation is to start out with 10,000 iu D3 for
30 days, then 5,000 iu per day for maintenance. If you
get the flu take 50,000 iu for three days.

This is per the recommendation of Dr Jaquelyn McCandless
who is working with Low Dose Naltrexone for HIV and Autism.

Autistic kids have poor immune function according to her.

She also recommends LDN for all her patients over 60 as
a preventative and libido booster.

Garnet

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Bob Banever wrote:

Marshall,

How much D3 would you consume?  I take 5000mg as a preventative 
every



day.

Bob
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines



C is good, but D3 is much better, and don't forget the CS.

Marshall

arthur rambo wrote:
For what its worth, I just came from a home where swine flu is 
suspected, started feeling something come on very soon after 
getting home; have been taking 30-40,000 mg vit c each hour since; 
the "head feeling" keeps recurring, but subsides minutes after 
each dose. I've done this in the past with success in modulating 
the flu so I was able to keep working with only mild symptoms. ( I 
was not in a place with people; I worked alone)
   I must have something, because I have not had so much as a 
rumble with all this c.






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*Subject:* Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

Thanks, Dad!

On Oct 20, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

> http://www.prisonplanet.com/europeans-reject-swine-flu-vaccine.html
>
> Dad
>
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Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

[Garnet]

Glad you posted on this Dave as I had no idea that iu varied 
from one substance to another!


Take a look at this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_units

"The precise definition of one IU differs from substance to 
substance and is established by international agreement for 
each substance. There is no equivalence among different 
substances; for instance, one IU of vitamin E does not 
contain the same number of milligrams as one IU of vitamin A.


To define an IU of a substance, the Committee on Biological 
Standardization of the World Health Organization provides a 
reference preparation of the substance, arbitrarily sets the 
number of IUs contained in that preparation, and specifies a 
biological procedure to compare other preparations of that 
substance to the reference preparation. The goal in setting 
the standard is that different preparations with the same 
biological effect will contain the same number of IUs."


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


Dan Nave wrote:

Bob,

You, and others, should note that "IU" is not the same as "mg"...

1 mcg vitamin D (cholecalciferol) = 40 IU  (note this is 1 micro-grams)

1000 IU equals 25 micrograms  (note this is 25 micro-grams)

therefore, 50,000 IU is about 1.25 mg  (note this is 1.2 milli-grams)

Now, 1 mg is equal to 40,000 IUs and 50,000 mg is equal to 2,000,000,000 IUs

Dan

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Bob Banever  wrote:

Thanks Garnet.   I've come to the realization that 50,000mg or more is ok
for short periods.

Bob
----- Original Message - From: "Garnet" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines



I guess if you did this every day for a long period of time it
could be a problem. But we are only talking about three
days. I don't know the mechanism but obviously it is to
kick the immune system into gear cause you are sick.

I am just quoting Dr McCandless on the dosing.

Garnet

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Bob Banever wrote:

Garnet,

  Thanks.  That 50,000mg dose seems like alot.   Any info on safety
or side effects at that dosage?

  Bob
- Original Message - From: "Garnet" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines



One recommendation is to start out with 10,000 iu D3 for
30 days, then 5,000 iu per day for maintenance. If you
get the flu take 50,000 iu for three days.

This is per the recommendation of Dr Jaquelyn McCandless
who is working with Low Dose Naltrexone for HIV and Autism.

Autistic kids have poor immune function according to her.

She also recommends LDN for all her patients over 60 as
a preventative and libido booster.

Garnet

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information

Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


Bob Banever wrote:

Marshall,

   How much D3 would you consume?  I take 5000mg as a preventative
every day.

   Bob
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley"

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines



C is good, but D3 is much better, and don't forget the CS.

Marshall

arthur rambo wrote:

For what its worth, I just came from a home where swine flu is
suspected, started feeling something come on very soon after getting home;
have been taking 30-40,000 mg vit c each hour since; the "head feeling"
keeps recurring, but subsides minutes after each dose. I've done this in the
past with success in modulating the flu so I was able to keep working with
only mild symptoms. ( I was not in a place with people; I worked alone)
  I must have something, because I have not had so much as a rumble
with all this c.




*From:* Clayton Family 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, October 20, 2009 12:25:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

Thanks, Dad!

On Oct 20, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:


http://www.prisonplanet.com/europeans-reject-swine-flu-vaccine.html

Dad




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Re: CS>(LL) This is OT but could be helpful--I'm trying it today

[Garnet]

Mannose is or was used as baby laxative and many pharmacies 
used to

carry it for this reason. Health food stores may have it. People
who deal with chronic UTIs swear by it and even take in on a
maintenance basis.

Garnet

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zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
    Garnet, Thanks you for this information. I wasn't sure if it 
was ok to take DMSO internally when I have been taking Bactrim.???  I am 
going to see if I can find a nebulizer. I have never heard of "sugar 
Mannose " but will check it out---Thanks again, Lois
 
In a message dated 10/20/2009 12:15:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
gar...@grandecom.net writes:


For lung infections I use DMSO 20% and EIS 80% in a nebulizer
for ten minutes every hour or so.

Urinary tract infections really do benefit from the sugar
Mannose,
which is what is in cranberry juice, and prevents the
bacteria from
sticking to the bladder walls.

Not sure what type of gastric problem but aloe vera juice
can sure
soothe an irritated or inflamed tummy. DMSO orally has been used
to treat stomach ulcers.

Garnet

 



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Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

[Garnet]

Good to know! Better stock up on Vit D. It sure is easy enough
to take.

Garnet

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Bob Banever wrote:

Hi Gina,

   Yes upon further investigation I see that it is actually recommended 
to take 100 - 200,000 mg. a day  for seven days depending on weight if 
you have the flu.   Maintenance dose is much lower 5 - 10,000 mg a day.

- Original Message - From: "Gina Moore" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:02 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines



I have taken that much for a few days at a time to get rid of
colds/flu/fever blisters... no negative effects.  They say there is 
really

no toxicity at any level.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeg-5NDyJ84
Gina

-Original Message-
From: Bob Banever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:40 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

Garnet,

   Thanks.  That 50,000mg dose seems like alot.   Any info on 
safety or


side effects at that dosage?

   Bob
- Original Message - From: "Garnet" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines



One recommendation is to start out with 10,000 iu D3 for
30 days, then 5,000 iu per day for maintenance. If you
get the flu take 50,000 iu for three days.

This is per the recommendation of Dr Jaquelyn McCandless
who is working with Low Dose Naltrexone for HIV and Autism.

Autistic kids have poor immune function according to her.

She also recommends LDN for all her patients over 60 as
a preventative and libido booster.

Garnet

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information

Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


Bob Banever wrote:

Marshall,

How much D3 would you consume?  I take 5000mg as a preventative 
every



day.

Bob
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley"

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines



C is good, but D3 is much better, and don't forget the CS.

Marshall

arthur rambo wrote:

For what its worth, I just came from a home where swine flu is
suspected, started feeling something come on very soon after getting
home; have been taking 30-40,000 mg vit c each hour since; the "head
feeling" keeps recurring, but subsides minutes after each dose. I've
done this in the past with success in modulating the flu so I was 
able

to keep working with only mild symptoms. ( I was not in a place with
people; I worked alone)
   I must have something, because I have not had so much as a rumble
with all this c.





*From:* Clayton Family 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, October 20, 2009 12:25:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

Thanks, Dad!

On Oct 20, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

> http://www.prisonplanet.com/europeans-reject-swine-flu-vaccine.html
>
> Dad
>
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Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

[Garnet]

I guess if you did this every day for a long period of time it
could be a problem. But we are only talking about three
days. I don't know the mechanism but obviously it is to
kick the immune system into gear cause you are sick.

I am just quoting Dr McCandless on the dosing.

Garnet

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


Bob Banever wrote:

Garnet,

   Thanks.  That 50,000mg dose seems like alot.   Any info on safety 
or side effects at that dosage?


   Bob
- Original Message ----- From: "Garnet" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines



One recommendation is to start out with 10,000 iu D3 for
30 days, then 5,000 iu per day for maintenance. If you
get the flu take 50,000 iu for three days.

This is per the recommendation of Dr Jaquelyn McCandless
who is working with Low Dose Naltrexone for HIV and Autism.

Autistic kids have poor immune function according to her.

She also recommends LDN for all her patients over 60 as
a preventative and libido booster.

Garnet

--
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information

Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


Bob Banever wrote:

Marshall,

How much D3 would you consume?  I take 5000mg as a preventative 
every day.


Bob
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines



C is good, but D3 is much better, and don't forget the CS.

Marshall

arthur rambo wrote:
For what its worth, I just came from a home where swine flu is 
suspected, started feeling something come on very soon after 
getting home; have been taking 30-40,000 mg vit c each hour since; 
the "head feeling" keeps recurring, but subsides minutes after each 
dose. I've done this in the past with success in modulating the flu 
so I was able to keep working with only mild symptoms. ( I was not 
in a place with people; I worked alone)
   I must have something, because I have not had so much as a 
rumble with all this c.


 


*From:* Clayton Family 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, October 20, 2009 12:25:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

Thanks, Dad!

On Oct 20, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

> http://www.prisonplanet.com/europeans-reject-swine-flu-vaccine.html
>
> Dad
>
>


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Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

[Garnet]

One recommendation is to start out with 10,000 iu D3 for
30 days, then 5,000 iu per day for maintenance. If you
get the flu take 50,000 iu for three days.

This is per the recommendation of Dr Jaquelyn McCandless
who is working with Low Dose Naltrexone for HIV and Autism.

Autistic kids have poor immune function according to her.

She also recommends LDN for all her patients over 60 as
a preventative and libido booster.

Garnet

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


Bob Banever wrote:

Marshall,

How much D3 would you consume?  I take 5000mg as a preventative 
every day.


Bob
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines



C is good, but D3 is much better, and don't forget the CS.

Marshall

arthur rambo wrote:
For what its worth, I just came from a home where swine flu is 
suspected, started feeling something come on very soon after getting 
home; have been taking 30-40,000 mg vit c each hour since; the "head 
feeling" keeps recurring, but subsides minutes after each dose. I've 
done this in the past with success in modulating the flu so I was 
able to keep working with only mild symptoms. ( I was not in a place 
with people; I worked alone)
   I must have something, because I have not had so much as a rumble 
with all this c.



*From:* Clayton Family 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
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*Subject:* Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

Thanks, Dad!

On Oct 20, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

> http://www.prisonplanet.com/europeans-reject-swine-flu-vaccine.html
>
> Dad
>
>


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Re: CS>Mercola's Newsletters

[Garnet]

Good, I will rely on people who do want to wade through
and find the pearls to pass them on! :-)))

Garnet

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Day Sutton wrote:

I still subscribe.  He is a good source of information.  I just ignore
his ignorance of CS.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Garnet  wrote:

I unsubbed from Mercola's newsletters after his technical writers
published misinformation about CS. If they can not be bothered to fact
check I am not going to bother reading his newsletter.

It's too bad as he was a good info source when he first started out.
Guess it was to be expected in some ways.

Garnet

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CS>Mercola's Newsletters

[Garnet]

I unsubbed from Mercola's newsletters after his technical 
writers
published misinformation about CS. If they can not be 
bothered to fact

check I am not going to bother reading his newsletter.

It's too bad as he was a good info source when he first 
started out.

Guess it was to be expected in some ways.

Garnet

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Re: CS>(LL) This is OT but could be helpful--I'm trying it today

[Garnet]

For lung infections I use DMSO 20% and EIS 80% in a nebulizer
for ten minutes every hour or so.

Urinary tract infections really do benefit from the sugar 
Mannose,
which is what is in cranberry juice, and prevents the 
bacteria from

sticking to the bladder walls.

Not sure what type of gastric problem but aloe vera juice 
can sure

soothe an irritated or inflamed tummy. DMSO orally has been used
to treat stomach ulcers.

Garnet

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Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
I have pneumonia in my right lung. {{ as well as a unary tract infection 
& a gastric problem }} guess I'm a mess--- Wonder if it would be a good 
idea to add some EIS to the mix ???   A couple drops of DMSO ???Lois
 


*White Pine Needle Tea: Healing*

 

Pine needle tea has been around a  very long time. It was first used by 
Native American’s for its healing properties. In fact they introduced 
pine needle tea to the early settlers (in Canada and New England) as a 
cure for scurvy, which is caused by lack of vitamin C.


 

Pine needle tea is great for colds, chest congestion and upper 
respiratory illnesses, though it is also rumored to help with many other 
ailments as well. You can do your own search on the web to find out 
more. It is packed with antioxidants, vitamin C and vitamin A.


   I want to give thanks to Grandmother Bobbie for introducing 
me to pine needle tea and its healing effects. I experienced its healing 
first hand. This tea made my chest congestion disappear in less than a 
day. I thought for sure I was going to get bronchitis or pneumonia! But 
instead, I drank pine needle tea and it helped heal my chest and 
sinuses. I could literally feel my chest “loosen up” and my breathing 
became much easier.


 Luckily pine trees are found in abundance all over the U.S. so 
it’s an easy and free tea that you can make at home. We just happen to 
have a white pine tree in our back yard, so it’s very easy to make this 
tea all year round, even in the midst of winter. 


1/2 cup of pine needles--green young needles are best..

*

  1.5 pints of water

*

  Bring water to boil in a stainless steel pan (do not use aluminum)

*

  Add the pine needles, reduce heat to a simmer for 20 minutes to
  overnight.

*

  Strain needles and drink warm or cold

*

  you can also put them in unbleached tea bags

*

  The tea should be red in color with a little oil floating on top. 
  You can add honey or cinnamon if you like, (since I have type 2

  diabetes I add cinnamon). It really doesn’t taste like pine; it
  has a very mild flavor./White pine needles have 5 needles on each
  sprig…
   but you can use any pine or fir tree (though the recipe may differ)./

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Re: CS>frozen shoulder

[Garnet]

I have used DMSO which helps break down scar tissue and
is antinflammatory. I use 20-30% DMSO which I dilute with
EIS just because it never hurts to get a little silver.

Garnet

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kath wrote:

Hi, just wondering if anyone has ideas for treatment of frozen shoulder.  My
husband has both shoulders affected, one is finally getting better after
three years of pain and immobility, and the other one is now really limited
and painful.  The doctors say just give it time, and that it is the result
of poor circulation to the area.  He tried physical therapy and acupuncture
with limited results, but hit a plateau very quickly with both.
Thanks,
Kathy


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Re: CS>CS and thyroid

[Garnet]

Low Dose Naltrexone has been known to decrease the need for
Thyroid supplement in hypothyroidism. It is also said to be a
general hormone balancer. But there is not a lot of clearly
defined information. You just have to get on some of the lists
and talk to people who are using it. There are a couple of
thyroid lists where people are using it:

Thyroid Forum
LDN Discussion
http://www.ahsta.com

Thyroid List
Many on this list take LDN
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones 

Thyroid-Adrenals List
Help distinguishing between Thyroid and Adrenal Issues ~ 
many on the list take LDN



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Lisa wrote:

Hello All,

 

Has anybody had any experience (or luck) in normalizing thyroid function 
with CS?  Or even a combination of CS, MMS, DMSO or anything else? I’ve 
been having issues (originally diagnosed at hypo…now possibly hyper). 
I’ve got an appt with an endocrinologist at the end of the month: 
however, I certainly would like to self-treat and use the dr. for 
tests/results and possibly a diagnosis.


 


Suggestions, comments, thoughts etc. would be appreciated J

 


Lisa




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Re: CS>equine nebulizer

[Garnet]

I always cough with my Mystique and even with the table top US
unit I bought more recently. But the coughing only lasts for a
couple of breaths off the nebulizer.

How would you interpret this?

Garnet

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Ode Coyote wrote:



 Any droplet size that's small enough to not trigger the cough reflex 
should do just fine.


Ode

At 10:01 AM 10/16/2009 -0500, you wrote:

The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size above or
below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung tissue.

Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a nebulizer.

You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone
who sells various nebulizers and knows the specs.

It's been some time ago that I researched this for myself when I
was looking at purchasing a nebulizer and many on this list
were discussing adapting room humidifiers. If that is all you have
then it is better than nothing but an ultrasonic humidifier is not
equivalent to an ultrasonic nebulizer. That is my only point.

Garnet

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Re: CS>One of my clients is on Larry King - tonight

[Garnet]

It's startling how often we hand our power over to others out
of fear that we are not equipped to make the best decision.

Perhaps if we were empowered from an early age to exercise
our power rather than having it taken from us by well meaning
but misguided care givers we would act differently.

PT Barnum was right and who can blame him for making his
fortune on the willingness of people to be deceived.

Patrick Swayze was contacted by many people who offered
alternative treatment information. He chose to die the way he
did. It was his path and only he could have altered it, not his
doctors, who were just selling their chosen product, however
ineffective. I don't think it is right but then maybe they 
are not

equipped to make good choices either.

It's a free will zone, at least as adults, which I grant you 
is too

little too late. Kids are the one who need
to be protected from the usurpation of their power so they grow
up to be confident and empowered adults.

Burt Berkson MD of Los Cruces NM has treated advance
Pancreatic Cancer with IV Alpha Lipoic Acid and Low Dose
Naltrexone, even presented successful outcomes to the powers
that be, who did not want to know. Today is the 5th Annual LDN
Conference being held at the NIH in Maryland, with Dr Berkson
as Keynote speaker. Yet very few will hear of LDN or the many
other alt cancer treatments because they are not looking!

Garnet

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Jan Bolen wrote:


*

Class:

 

Suzanne Somers, whom I’ve met once, is being interviewed tonight about 
her new book “Knockout” on CNN’s Larry King at 9:00pm EST.  Along with 
her are two doctors I know, one of which is a long time client Nicholas 
Gonzalez MD, an expert on pancreatic cancer.


 

Suzanne’s new book, being released tomorrow, is about new, more 
realistic treatments for cancer and Nick is the featured doctor.  
Suzanne interviewed nine of his patients, who, had they been treated 
with conventional cancer treatments, would have been dead years ago.  
The show was taped last Tuesday.  I was preparing Nick for the interview 
for over a week.


 

There were two doctors brought on the show to act as counterpoint.  
Originally, the two counterpoint doctors were the oncologists that 
treated Patrick Swayze and Farrah Fawcett – but they both backed out 
when they found out what the interview was actually about.


 

Had they brought Fisher, Swayze’s doctor, Nick would have been asked 
point blank by Larry King “Dr. Gonzalez, if Patrick Swayze had come to 
you with his pancreatic cancer problem, instead of Dr. Fisher, would he 
be alive today?”


 

Nick’s answer would have been “Yes Larry, he would be, and he’d be 
around for years to come.”


 

This is a monumental victory – reaching all the way into the 
conventional media.


 

Just so you know – I have access to the real data about cancer and the 
war on cancer.  In short, official studies show that the most standard 
of treatments, chemotherapy, has ONLY a 2.1% five-year survival rate.  
That’s right, 97.9% of the people with cancer who go the chemo route, 
are dead before five years.  And, the cost of the treatments usually 
breaks the families financially.


 

We, the people have been fighting the “War on Cancer” since 1972 and 
cancer now gets a bigger percentage of the population than it did then.  
That fact says it all about the quality of, and who controls, the US 
health care system.


 


Tim Bolen

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Re: CS>omron neb.pricing

[Garnet]

The $55 one is not the vibrating mesh technology, but it is 
probably a sufficient unit.


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aKa Jhon wrote:
The prices are all over the place ( up to $200, )for this one.Best price 
I could find...$55 plus $ if

you add add-ons..




The new handheld Omron is pricey, $169 is the lowest I have
seen
on eBay but the reports on the unit are very good. It is a
new technology.
If I had the extra $ I would buy one. It runs on AA
batteries and is
the most efficient unit of its size and portability.


Garnet

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Peter Converse wrote:

Hi Garnet,

I was doing a little comparing of nebulizer droplet sizes last year,
myself.

I was under the impression that smaller particle sizes for nebulizer
droplets were better than larger due to their ability to penetrate
further into the lungs. Do you think I've had this backwards?

That being said, my Omron NE-C25 nebulizer (inexpensive model with
average to large sized droplets, I think) performed exceptionally well
for me last spring.

Ideas?

On another note, has anyone here built their own oxygen nebulizer as
seen on Silvermedicine?

thanks,

Peter

- Original Message - From: "Garnet" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: CS>equine nebulizer



What I did was look at the specs on various nebulizers on line and
noticed
that even between nebulizer units there is a difference in droplet
size, the
smaller handheld units had larger droplet sizes, although this may 
not be

true now since Omron has come out with a new technology in their
hand held unit.

The idea of the droplet being too small was mentioned to me by
a seller of the new Omron US unit. You can call him and ask him
since he would know much more than I do. He sells the new unit
on eBay which is where I found his email, he is in Texas.

Garnet

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


Malcolm wrote:

Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived
at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the
same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the 
multitude

I've seen for humans.

My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell 
something on
the basis of an advertisement, not facts.  Consider what either of 
these
do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and 
content are

not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively
delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as 
droplets
like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type 
humidifiers

make.

The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be "too 
small"

seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left
behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being
"nebulized" - which I think means "fogged".  And if that were the 
case,

it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung
tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar 
level -

has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e.
packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with
the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a 
reasonably

compact and protected flexible space.

Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the 
minor

effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?)
why not set aside some presumed (dare I say "nebulous"? ) 
theoretical

perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the
results, not the ad copy.

One additional note; how many "nebulizers" does a veterinarian have to
have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come 
through

the clinic door?  Give you a clue?  Does me. . . .

HTH, Malcolm

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet wrote:

The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size above or
below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung tissue.

Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a nebulizer.

You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone
who sells various nebulizers and knows the specs.

It's been some time ago that I researched this for myself when I
was looking at purchasing a nebulizer and many on this list
were discussing adapting room humidifiers.

Re: CS>equine nebulizer

[Garnet]

Here is a table top unit that may be sufficient for a horse:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Table-Desk-top-POWER-NEB-Nebulizer-Compressor-AEROSOL_W0QQitemZ270388545665QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef469c881#ht_1730wt_868


Here is the info on the new hand held that included a phone 
number for the supplier who I talked to about the particle 
size. He may be able to advise you to match prices with 
other eBay offers.

OMRON NE-U22v BATTERY PORTABLE NEBULIZER
http://cgi.ebay.com/OMRON-NE-U22v-BATTERY-PORTABLE-NEBULIZER-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ290354476753QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439a79b6d1#ht_630wt_1167
Sold By SecureNet Medical, Ltd, Quitman TX  ph#  888-255-2509

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Malcolm wrote:

Hi Garnet,
Thanks for your reply; I went on ebay and couldn't find an Omron unit,
though I did see some rather interesting pieces of plastic; basketballs,
duckies, spaceships (I think), and a few super-expensive (by my
standards, $250) ones which pre-heated the water and controlled that
temp Digitally!  It used a titanium nitrite(sic) element - I expect it
was a misprint for titanium nitride, but also expect it is no more
effective at nebulizing water than the older barium nitride or the
cheaper magnetostrictive elements common in such units as the KAZ and
many others, the trick being the frequency at which the water is
agitated by the element - usually around 42,000 cycles per second by
whatever does the agitating.  I exclude the handheld, "personal" or
whatever units, in favor of the room-sized ones categorically, since the
idea is to get a medication or whatever into the animals lungs in a
reasonable time, and I expect you know better than I that a horse
breathes a LOT of air.

So, in short: "Let the buyer beware."  Meanwhile I'll attempt to check
further and find the tech literature you refer to, or contact an Omron
or Swiss-Air dealer.

Take care,  
Malcolm


On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 12:54 -0500, Garnet wrote:
What I did was look at the specs on various nebulizers on 
line and noticed
that even between nebulizer units there is a difference in 
droplet size, the
smaller handheld units had larger droplet sizes, although 
this may not be
true now since Omron has come out with a new technology in 
their

hand held unit.

The idea of the droplet being too small was mentioned to me by
a seller of the new Omron US unit. You can call him and ask him
since he would know much more than I do. He sells the new unit
on eBay which is where I found his email, he is in Texas.

Garnet

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information

Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


Malcolm wrote:

Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived
at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the
same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the multitude
I've seen for humans.

My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell something on
the basis of an advertisement, not facts.  Consider what either of these
do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and content are
not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively
delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as droplets
like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type humidifiers
make.

The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be "too small"
seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left
behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being
"nebulized" - which I think means "fogged".  And if that were the case,
it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung
tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar level -
has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e.
packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with
the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a reasonably
compact and protected flexible space.

Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the minor
effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?)
why not set aside some presumed (dare I say "nebulous"? ) theoretical
perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the
results, not the ad copy.

One additional note; how many "nebulizers" does a veterinarian have to
have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come through
the clinic door?  Give you a clue?  Does me. . . .

HTH, 
Malcolm


On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet

Re: CS>equine nebulizer-Nebulizer Droplet Sizes-O2 Nebulizer?

[Garnet]

Smaller is better to a point, there is an optimal size range for
penetrating to the alveoli. It's been a long time since I did
the reading on it so I don't recall the details.

I used a Mystique handheld with great results but keep in mind
that I was using DMSO with my CS, so that enhanced delivery.

When I had the opportunity to buy one under insurance coverage
I bought a table top unit.

The new handheld Omron is pricey, $169 is the lowest I have 
seen
on eBay but the reports on the unit are very good. It is a 
new technology.
If I had the extra $ I would buy one. It runs on AA 
batteries and is

the most efficient unit of its size and portability.


Garnet

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Peter Converse wrote:

Hi Garnet,

I was doing a little comparing of nebulizer droplet sizes last year, 
myself.


I was under the impression that smaller particle sizes for nebulizer 
droplets were better than larger due to their ability to penetrate 
further into the lungs. Do you think I've had this backwards?


That being said, my Omron NE-C25 nebulizer (inexpensive model with 
average to large sized droplets, I think) performed exceptionally well 
for me last spring.


Ideas?

On another note, has anyone here built their own oxygen nebulizer as 
seen on Silvermedicine?


thanks,

Peter

- Original Message - From: "Garnet" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: CS>equine nebulizer


What I did was look at the specs on various nebulizers on line and 
noticed
that even between nebulizer units there is a difference in droplet 
size, the

smaller handheld units had larger droplet sizes, although this may not be
true now since Omron has come out with a new technology in their
hand held unit.

The idea of the droplet being too small was mentioned to me by
a seller of the new Omron US unit. You can call him and ask him
since he would know much more than I do. He sells the new unit
on eBay which is where I found his email, he is in Texas.

Garnet

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information

Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


Malcolm wrote:

Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived
at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the
same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the multitude
I've seen for humans.

My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell something on
the basis of an advertisement, not facts.  Consider what either of these
do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and content are
not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively
delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as droplets
like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type humidifiers
make.

The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be "too small"
seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left
behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being
"nebulized" - which I think means "fogged".  And if that were the case,
it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung
tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar level -
has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e.
packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with
the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a reasonably
compact and protected flexible space.

Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the minor
effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?)
why not set aside some presumed (dare I say "nebulous"? ) theoretical
perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the
results, not the ad copy.

One additional note; how many "nebulizers" does a veterinarian have to
have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come through
the clinic door?  Give you a clue?  Does me. . . .

HTH, Malcolm

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet wrote:

The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size above or
below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung tissue.

Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a nebulizer.

You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone
who sells various nebulizers and knows the specs.

It's been some time ago that I researched this for myself when I
was looking at purchasing a nebulizer and many on this list
were discussing adapting room humidifiers. If that is all you have
then it is better than 

Re: CS>equine nebulizer

[Garnet]

What I did was look at the specs on various nebulizers on 
line and noticed
that even between nebulizer units there is a difference in 
droplet size, the
smaller handheld units had larger droplet sizes, although 
this may not be
true now since Omron has come out with a new technology in 
their

hand held unit.

The idea of the droplet being too small was mentioned to me by
a seller of the new Omron US unit. You can call him and ask him
since he would know much more than I do. He sells the new unit
on eBay which is where I found his email, he is in Texas.

Garnet

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information

Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


Malcolm wrote:

Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived
at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the
same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the multitude
I've seen for humans.

My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell something on
the basis of an advertisement, not facts.  Consider what either of these
do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and content are
not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively
delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as droplets
like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type humidifiers
make.

The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be "too small"
seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left
behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being
"nebulized" - which I think means "fogged".  And if that were the case,
it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung
tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar level -
has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e.
packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with
the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a reasonably
compact and protected flexible space.

Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the minor
effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?)
why not set aside some presumed (dare I say "nebulous"? ) theoretical
perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the
results, not the ad copy.

One additional note; how many "nebulizers" does a veterinarian have to
have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come through
the clinic door?  Give you a clue?  Does me. . . .

HTH, 
Malcolm


On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet wrote:
The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size 
above or
below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung 
tissue.


Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a 
nebulizer.


You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone
who sells various nebulizers and knows the specs.

It's been some time ago that I researched this for myself when I
was looking at purchasing a nebulizer and many on this list
were discussing adapting room humidifiers. If that is all 
you have
then it is better than nothing but an ultrasonic humidifier 
is not

equivalent to an ultrasonic nebulizer. That is my only point.

Garnet

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Re: CS>equine nebulizer

[Garnet]

The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size 
above or
below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung 
tissue.


Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a 
nebulizer.


You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone
who sells various nebulizers and knows the specs.

It's been some time ago that I researched this for myself when I
was looking at purchasing a nebulizer and many on this list
were discussing adapting room humidifiers. If that is all 
you have
then it is better than nothing but an ultrasonic humidifier 
is not

equivalent to an ultrasonic nebulizer. That is my only point.

Garnet

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Re: CS>equine nebulizer

[Garnet]

I don't have any resources other than to search veterinary
supply sites. Some sell only to veterinarians. Can the
hose be attached to a human full size nebulizer, if you have
access to one.

Have you asked your equine vet for help with this. Maybe
he has one he will lend you or will help you locate one?

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Dianne France wrote:

Garnet
 
I looked on line for equine nebulizer but got lost int he shuffle.  Do 
you have a suggestion as to what model or type to use?
My girlfriend has the headset and hose but can't find the rest.  I do 
want the foggy effect and not droplets.
 
Dianne
 
 > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:55:26 -0500

 > From: gar...@grandecom.net
 > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 > Subject: Re: CS>equine nebulizer
 >
 > Use the equine nebuliser, not the humidifier. The humidifier
 > makes
 > larger droplets and they will not reach deep into the lungs
 > before
 > condensing. The nebuliser makes a smaller droplet.
 >
 > If the horse is coughing and trying to clear mucous Guaifenisin
 > will help liquify the mucous. Your vet may carry it or order
 > from
 > a farm supply.
 >
 >
 > Garnet
 >
 >
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 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA
 >
 >
 > Dianne France wrote:
 > > Dear Group
 > >
 > > I have a horse that has been fighting the snotts (flu bug) and I 
didn't
 > > want to put her on antibiotics and thought I would try using a 
nebulizer

 > > with CS and DMSO but don't know which one would put out enough to go
 > > thru the tubing and into the mask that surrounds the nose. The mask
 > > that goes onto the face looks basically like a bucket with a hose 
in the

 > > bottom and foam touching the face to keep the solution inside for
 > > breathing. I heard someone talk about a humidifier and wondered if 
that

 > > might be strong enough to deliver the meds into vapor?
 > >
 > > Maybe someone on the list has experience with using an equine 
nebulizer

 > > and would give some advise.
 > >
 > > Dianne
 > >
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Re: CS>equine nebulizer

[Garnet]

Use the equine nebuliser, not the humidifier. The humidifier 
makes
larger droplets and they will not reach deep into the lungs 
before

condensing. The nebuliser makes a smaller droplet.

If the horse is coughing and trying to clear mucous Guaifenisin
will help liquify the mucous. Your vet may carry it or order 
from

a farm supply.


Garnet


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Dianne France wrote:

Dear Group
 
I have a horse that has been fighting the snotts (flu bug) and I didn't 
want to put her on antibiotics and thought I would try using a nebulizer 
with CS and DMSO but don't know which one would put out enough to go 
thru the tubing and into the mask that surrounds the nose.  The mask 
that goes onto the face looks basically like a bucket with a hose in the 
bottom and foam touching the face to keep the solution inside for 
breathing.  I heard someone talk about a humidifier and wondered if that 
might be strong enough to deliver the meds into vapor?
 
Maybe someone on the list has experience with using an equine nebulizer 
and would give some advise. 
 
Dianne



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CS>Wikipedia and Stephen Barrett Lawsuits

[Garnet]

This guy was sued by Stephen Barrett of Quack Watch, harassed as
QW is known to do. Now the law suit has died!

Tim has also sued Wikipedia and issues a strong warning 
about the

powers behind them.

==

I have three new articles you can find on the front page of
www.bolenreport.net.

The first:  ?Barrett Lawsuit Against Tim Bolen Dies of Old 
Age in
California? will make you laugh.  Quackpot Stephen Barrett, 
after all of
his braggadio, just couldn?t face me in Court.  After 8 ? 
years of no

action the judge just finally dismissed the case.

The second:  ?Congratulations to the AAHF/ANH on their 
Strategies...?  The
newly merged AAHF/ANH has come up with an excellent strategy 
to deal with a

major issue, and activated it.  You need to know about this.

The third:  ?A4M Sues Wikipedia - Quackbuster(?) 
Propagandists Targeted...?
is a VERY important article.  Wikipedia has been taken over 
by the bad
guys.  You need to know about this.  A4M isn?t putting up 
with it.


Tim Bolen

=

Garnet

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Re: CS>xylitol - Website

[Garnet]

It really is the Xylitol and chocolate. Apparently there are 
some dogs that
get away with eating small amounts of chocolate. Try 
Googling both of

them and do some reading.

Garnet

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Dave Darrin wrote:
  By what method does it do that? I have read that chocolate does the 
same and my dog loves it, with no noticeable problems. Since I also 
sweeten with Xzlitol I would suspect he has eaten some from precleaning 
my dishes. Are you sure it wasn't the gum that killed the dog?

I would really like to know.
Dave

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Day Sutton <mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Careful with the xylitol, it will kill a dog.  As little as a pack
of chewing gum found by a dog will kill it..


On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Tel Tofflemire mailto:telt...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

I made a mistake, Xylitol web site is
 *http://www.emeraldforrest.com
*
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.

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From: Tel Tofflemire mailto:telt...@yahoo.com>>
    Subject: Re: CS>xylitol - Garnet
To: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 7:05 AM

Xylitol's best site is   (http://www.Forrest.com)  


Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.

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From: Leslie mailto:leslie3...@yahoo.com>>
Subject: Re: CS>xylitol - Garnet
To: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 10:34 PM

Where do you buy your xylitol? This replaces sugar
doesn't it? Thanks, Leslie



- Original Message 
From: "cla...@jazznsamba.com" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
    Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 5:42:49 PM
Subject: CS>xylitol - Garnet

Garnet,

I use one-eighth teaspoon of xylitol in my nebulizing
mixture. I found it
to be very effective against mold - as someone posted,
it actually kills
mold/yeast. I really like it & still use it all the time
for baking/making
jam etc. even though I finally got rid of the
mold/fungus/yeast problem.

Claire


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Re: CS>candida.

[Garnet]

Treating Candida is a science and there are many lists 
devoted to the topic.
Personally I found urine retention enemas very effective. 
Also the book Allergies and
Candida by Rochlitz has a set of meridian balancing 
exercises that were very
helpful. They are brain body and left right integration 
maneuvers you can do

at home.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy for more 
information on this ancient

therapy.

Molybdenum is essential for dealing with the herxing from 
Candida die off. Liquid

probiotics, very high count are also essential.

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Roger Barker wrote:
Just met up with a friend in town who has been diagnosed with candida. 
He asked me to do a search on the net for treatment suggestions. I'm 
sure CS would go a long way towards helping him so wonder if anyone has 
got any information that may be of help?


Cheers,  Roger B
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Re: CS>Nebulization Formla

[Garnet]

I use 5-10% DMSO diluted with EIS for nebulizing. I
have never put MSM in there but I know it is suppose
to be good for emphysema and to improve elasticity.

When I have severe lung symptoms I nebulize for
ten minutes once an hour gradually increasing the
interval as the symptoms improve.

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Peter Converse wrote:

Hi Folks,

May I ask what ratios/methodology you guys and gals use for your 
nebulization if CS, DMSO and MSM are combined?


Also, in what ways do you find they perform differently?

many thanks,

Peter

- Original Message - From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: CS>treating shingles



cla...@jazznsamba.com wrote:

I realize many people feel it's unnecessary to add both MSM and DMSO to
the nebulizing mixture, but in the past I felt I had better success 
using

both than just DMSO alone. FWIW.
I always use both in nebulizing. They do different things so both are 
valuable.

sol


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Re: CS>treating shingles

[Garnet]

Chapparal is suppose to eliminate herpes from the body when
taken for 30 days.

I have used Lomatium root tincture to treat active herpes, might
be something to use for a while when there is nerve pain.
St John's Wort is often combined with Lomatium for viral
treatment. Herb Pharm makes a combination tincture.

Also 500 - 1000 mg a day of BHT kills envelope viruses
including herpes and Epstein Bar. I mixed bulk powder in
Organic Olive Oil, you need to take it with a fatty meal or
in oil. Keep Hope Alive had this on their website years ago
for HIV. You can also use it topically.

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sol wrote:

Bob Banever wrote:
I have cured shingles with CS.  Try mixing 20% DMSO with 80% CS and 
rubbing it on the area daily.  Also take about 2oz of pure CS 
internally every day.
The thing is for this friend she no longer has any active shingles 
virus. It is now the nerve pain she is left with. If the virus is no 
longer present or active, how will the CS help
If the CS and DMSO is thought to be able to reverse the nerve damage she 
is left with, I will tell her about it even so.

sol


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Re: CS>CS:> Migraine

[Garnet]

Bar B Q will often give me a headache, it has a lot of tannins.

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sol wrote:

Garnet wrote:

I would think they could cause less than a migraine type
of headache.
thanks, I'll take a look at tannins in my diet as I've been having a lot 
of headaches lately, but not migraines.

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Re: CS>CS:> Migraine

[Garnet]

I would think they could cause less than a migraine type
of headache.

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sol wrote:

Garnet wrote:

LDN has actually relieved migraines. Allergies, more often food
allergies, can cause migraines. Tannins are a big offender.


Can tannins cause lesser headaches also, or just migraines?
sol


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Re: CS>treating shingles

[Garnet]

Shingles can be treated by compressing with DMSO and EIS.

Some people do mix MSM and DMSO when nebulizing.
MSM improves the elasticity of lung tissue.

Have not heard about Xylitol for mold. How much are you
using?

Thanks,

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cla...@jazznsamba.com wrote:

Hello All,

A friend has been quite ill with some kind of chest infection for the past
five weeks and with it has had shingles. The rash is somewhat better but
the sensitivity is still very present. If anyone here has experience using
CS or anything else to treat shingles please share your treatment
protocol(s). TIA!

CS "success story": I've been very ill myself with bronchial pneumonia
which I've been successfully treating with CS. I've been taking it
internally & nebulizing with a mixture of CS/DMSO/MSM/Xylitol. I added
xylitol because I've had mold problems in the past and feel this episode
could also be a mold co-infection. (I *should* have begun treatment
immediately when the symptoms presented but I didn't realize initially how
serious the infection was...)

I realize many people feel it's unnecessary to add both MSM and DMSO to
the nebulizing mixture, but in the past I felt I had better success using
both than just DMSO alone. FWIW.

Claire


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Re: CS>CS:> Migraine

[Garnet]

LDN has actually relieved migraines. Allergies, more often food
allergies, can cause migraines. Tannins are a big offender.

Garnet


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Harold MacDonald wrote:

A dear friends' lovely teen-age daughter suffers with severe migraines.
Anyone have effective treatment for it?
TIA;
Harold


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Re: CS> :* !? kewl

[Garnet]

Hi Sandy,

I was wondering what it was, but I did not assume it was 
negative.


xx

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Sandy wrote:

Malcolm,

This is the way of sending kisses. I hope Garnet knows I wasn't spitting 
at her...lolol.


Sandy

--- On *Sun, 10/11/09, Malcolm //* wrote:


From: Malcolm 
Subject: Re: CS> :* !? kewl
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 12:46 AM

Neat-O!  (:*)  Never saw that one before.  Hey, it's been a slow week
anyhow.

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 21:03 -0700, Sandy wrote:

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Re: CS>Bone Spur . . .

[Garnet]

I found better prices at Vita Cost. I did took two capsules 
a day

for 60 days and then another round for 30 days. I also stopped
eating nightshades.

Janet


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lk wrote:

Jarrow Formulas, True CMO, 380 mg, 60 Capsules

This CMO product is on iHerb.com website. Same main ingredient as Duoflex, but much less expensive. 


I think it best to take on an empty stomach, if you can & 
take three capsules, twice daily for ten days (that


is the protocol that Duoflex brand suggests). Most folks 
feel relief after only doing one course of treatment.


 (You should wait about ten days to two weeks before trying 
another round, just to give your body time to


 respond; it is an immunoregulator) Some may need up to six 
courses for relief. (For me it took three rounds).


Supposedly only 10% will get no relief at all.


HTH

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Fuzzmom  wrote:


From: Fuzzmom 
Subject: Re: CS>Bone Spur . . .
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:55 PM
Thanks..i'd apreciate it..my hands
would too.
- Original Message - 
From: "Malcolm" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Bone Spur . . .



Hi, it's on the net, I'll poke around and find some

info;  There used to

be someone on some list I checked, that sold it in

bulk, but he got out

of the biz; more in a while,
Malcolm

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 18:36 -0400, Fuzzmom wrote:

Never heard of it where doyou find it is iit a

health store item?
- Original Message - 
From: "Malcolm" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Bone Spur . . .



Hi,
CS,?? no.  But CMO, maybe; ok, don't get

mad now  but CMO is

Cerasomal cis-9 cetyl Myristoleate. I just

want to make sure you find

the right stuff if you go for it.

Take care,
Malcolm

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 14:36 -0400, Fuzzmom

wrote:


I won't. hey can c.,s. ease typing pain?

I'm on this thing eight or

nine hours a day smetimes.

   - Original Message - 


   From: Norton, Steve

To:

silver-list@eskimo.com


   Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:18 PM


   Subject: Re: CS>Bone Spur . . .


I

have vision problems too and typo errors are much more


   common than I like. You are not alone.


   Please don't leave for that.

-

Steve N




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   Subject: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude Post
by Dave Darrin




   From: Fuzzmom


   Date: 10/10/2009 7:32:24 AM


   Subject: Re: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude
Post by Dave Darrin

I

am visually impaired and i also have an old comp. with keys


   that stick. i am here for informationNot
to criticize. I am


   sorry if posts are hard to read. And if
this is how members


   feel I can unsub.







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Re: CS>Beating a dead horse.

[Garnet]

Apparently at least one more. ;-)

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Sandy wrote:
First, I am not the moderator nor do I want to be the moderator and I am 
not trying to be the moderator BUT...


How many more posts on the subject of, 'Dave is a rude poster' must we 
put up with? Yes, I know I can just hit the delete button if I do not 
like them but geez, enough is enough.


Fuzzmom, please know Dave was not being rude to you just because he was 
asking you [please] to proof read your posts. He even stated he wanted 
to read your posts but he was having a hard time with them and quite 
honestly so was I. I have disabilities and I proof read all my posts so 
as to get my message across. Dave's request is certainly not too much to 
ask is it?


We are sorry for your disabilities and no one wants to see you leave. We 
are all disabled to one degree or another so there is no need for you to 
feel alone in that regard.


So how are you using CS for yourself and your family? Any good 
experiences with it? I'm still saving money to get my 
SilverPuppy...really looking forward to getting it and making my own CS.


Best regards
Sandy





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Re: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin

[Garnet]

Personally I am on a lot of lists, and I find it difficult 
remembering every
intro post I have ever read. If someone repeatedly reminds 
me that they
are dealing with a disability then I eventually do remember, 
but one mention
in thousands of messages is just not going to stand out for 
me. That is

assuming he even saw your intro.

I think Dave made a reasonable request, he asked politely, 
he said please,
he was clear and he provided evidence of what was bothering 
him, which
to me is helpful. He did not use demeaning language, he 
simply pointed
out the number and nature of the typos. They were excessive 
and I had

a hard time reading that message as well.

How else could he have stated his request? Are people 
suppose to turn
themselves inside out trying not to offend someone for fear 
that they are

of XYZ belief or physical condition or impairment?

We could all take offense at something, but we generally 
don't in the interest
of group harmony. The person that went off at Dave as if he 
was targeting
someone with a disability intentionally is more remiss IMHO 
than Dave was

in requesting reviewing for typos.

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Fuzzmom wrote:

I did mention it in my original intro but maybe it got missed.
- Original Message ----- From: "Garnet" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin



How was Dave suppose to know there was a disability involved?

Garnet


Annie B Smythe wrote:
But someone deliberately baiting a person with a

disability makes me crazy.




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Re: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin

[Garnet]

How was Dave suppose to know there was a disability involved?

Garnet


Annie B Smythe wrote:
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disability makes me crazy.




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