RE: Windows 10 start menu

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

another useful tool is AutoHotKey.  This will allow you to make short cut keys 
all over the place.  Thus allowing you to start programs quickly.  You can also 
turn your scripts in to executable   files if you should want to.  A good 
reason for this is as follows.  I created a short cut script to run on a 
computer.  I don't need the program on this system.  I just put the .exe file 
on the system told it to run at start up and it was good to go.  
Another nice tool is classic  shell.  It allows you to use the classic start 
menu interface.  This means you don't have to bother with the new start menu if 
you don't want to.  
In windows 8 and 8.1 I had a tool that works to remove the silly ribbon in 
windows explorer and go back to the simple menu system.  Why Microsoft thought 
the ribbon was a good idea I don't know.  How they decided where they were 
going to put things is lost on me.  
Any way hope that helps.  I will not say I know everything there is to know 
either but I will say this is a wonderful operating system.  Yes it is a work 
in progress but I am very happy with it so far and I expect to get better.  



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

In Windows 7 or 10, I place a few frequently-used programs on the taskbar. 
This can be done by finding the program by means of a search or locating it 
within the start menu, then using the Applications key, also known as the 
context menu key, to the left of the right-hand control key, or with shift-F10, 
and using the context menu that appears to select "pin to taskbar."
Once a program has been pinned to the taskbar, you can get to the taskbar with 
Windows-T, then use left or right arrow keys to select that program, then the 
Applications key again to start the program from a recently used file or song 
or website. You can also use the taskbar to start a program (with no 
parameters) by pressing the Windows key with a number from 1 to 0, which 
represents the position of the program along the taskbar.
I can't say that I have Windows 10 all figured out, but with tricks like these 
you can get to a lot of functionality very quickly.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: RajTribhuwan via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:04 AM
To: 'Simon Cavendish' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the start menu, 
would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use frequently on the 
desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a folder 
there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from the start menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start menu in 
the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow down, and when you 
hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should open.
Hope this helps for now.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Simon Cavendish via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press enter 
on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab along.  So 
select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press tab, you will see 
the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as well.

Simon
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win 
> xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of 
> the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to 
> navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how 
> tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected”
> items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C 
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the new read to end!

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hello,

excellent job.  I am very pleased with the new read to end feature.  It
works like a dream.

I am currently using the office offer, because I need to come up with the
funds for my software maintenance agreement.  I hope to do that soon,
because Window-Eyes 9.3 is an excellent product, and I'm very pleased with
the new features.  Now we need touch functionality.  Thank you very much!

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RE: Question About Microsoft Office’s Outlook

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hello,
I am using Microsoft Office 2013 with Windows 10 with absolutely no problems, 
so I can confirm that it does indeed work just fine.  I have considered 
upgrading to Microsoft Office 2016, but I have not done so yet.  Is there any 
compelling reason why I should?
Hope this helps!  Thank you very much!


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 9:48 AM
To: Robert Ringwald ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Question About Microsoft Office’s Outlook

HI Robert:
Outlook 2016 works with Windows 10, and maybe Outlook 2013, although I wouldn't 
bet on that one.
Kevin Huber

On 1/3/16, Robert Ringwald via Talk  wrote:
> I wonder about Microsoft Office’s Outlook.
> How does it work with WE 10?
>
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RE: What is the best Email client for Windows 10?

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well if you ask me the best e-mail client for windows for ever is Microsoft
outlook  sorry you are just not going to get better features then with
Microsoft outlook.  It works a treat with every screen reader I have tried
it with.  It sinks quite nicely with my  ICloud so all the contacts and
other information  finds its way  to my IPhone.  Maybe someday I will be
able to get all the apps in windows and then can use nothing but windows.
As I said outlook does the job for me quite nicely.  
Hth 


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 5:06 PM
To: Robert Ringwald ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: What is the best Email client for Windows 10?

what bug? i have 3 wlm accounts with 64bit windows 10. but what i did was
copy the folder from windows 7 and copied that folder on win 10 in the same
folder after i installed wlm 2012 again.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 4:22 PM
To: Talk
Subject: What is the best Email client for Windows 10?

Because of the bug in WLM, I cannot use it for multiple email lists. Thus
will have to bite the bullet, install a new email client and reconstruct my
email lists.

What is the best email client to use with WE?

Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet Fulton Street Jazz
Band (Dixieland/Swing) 916/ 806-9551 Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV


"America is the only country where a significant proportion of the
population believes that professional wrestling is real but the moon landing
was faked."
~ David Letterman


hat would be the best email client to 
wooo


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Re: YouTube to MP3 conversion websites for longer videos

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hi,
Well I can not report on every screen reader out there, but I can report that 
it works  ok with window-eyes NVDA and jaws.  
This program is free for use with YouTube  it will work with just about any 
streeming site.  


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> On Jan 1, 2016, at 6:49 AM, joseph weakland via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> is that media catcher program free to use and accessible to all screen 
> readers?
> - Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow via Talk" 
> 
> To: "Ross McGregor" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
> ; "'Jeff Samco'" 
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 12:35 AM
> Subject: Re: YouTube to MP3 conversion websites for longer videos
> 
> 
>> I use a program called replay media catcher wich works like a charm.
>> 
>>> On 1/1/2016 12:30 AM, Ross McGregor via Talk wrote:
>>> I use songr. That is the word song with the letter r added.
>>> 
>>> Although don't think I've tried grabbing audio from a file over that length,
>>> I'd imagine  it would work.
>>> 
>>> Ross.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rossmcg=hotkey.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Jeff Samco via Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, 1 January 2016 3:26 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List ; Window-Eyes Discussion
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>>> Subject: YouTube to MP3 conversion websites for longer videos
>>> 
>>> I regularly use the website
>>> http://www.youtube-mp3.org/
>>> to get MP3 files of just the audio. But it has a 20-minute video
>>> length limit.. Anyone know of another service that's friendly to
>>> screen readers like Window-Eyes that handles much longer video lengths?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeff
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Re: YouTube to MP3 conversion websites for longer videos

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hi,
If you ask me a web site is not the best way to deal with this.  There are 
programs out there designed to accomplish  this.  The best one is replay media 
capture.  Another good one is YTD video downloader.  Both are quite friendly 
with window-eyes has no limit on file size  and supports  other file formats 
and many other web sites.  
 

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> On Dec 31, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk  
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> 
> I regularly use the website
> http://www.youtube-mp3.org/
> to get MP3 files of just the audio. But it has a 20-minute video length 
> limit.. Anyone know of another service that's friendly to screen readers like 
> Window-Eyes that handles much longer video lengths?
> Thanks,
> Jeff
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RE: Back To Windows 7 Pro

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well at some point Microsoft is not going to support windows 7.  There is no 
reason why they should as windows 10 is a free upgrade  for windows 7 and up.  
At some point you will have to upgrade if you want to use apps and some newer 
programs.  It is like all those people using xp at some point you will have to 
upgrade. 


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Mike Bernard via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 7:41 PM
To: 'Singing Sparrow' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Back To Windows 7 Pro

Well being that it was an optional upgrade to begin with, I doubt that they'll 
actually force us to upgrade. Most likely they'll just keep pestering us with 
that (get windows 10) thing in the sys tray.
Mike
Rochester, NY.
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+mbern6516=aol@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 10:29 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; 'Pastor Gil Pries' 
Subject: Re: Back To Windows 7 Pro

the only problem i see is if microsoft forces everyone to update to windows 10 
next year then what will people do?

On 11/29/2015 8:55 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> Smart move windows 7 is better in my opinion.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:53 PM
> To: t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: Back To Windows 7 Pro
>
> Hi,
> I am back to Windows 7 Pro.
> I couldn’t use my Deck-talk Express with Windows 10 and I had trouble burning 
> DVDDs.
> Windows 10 update kept eracing my Deck-talk driver.
> I also had to get a new printer, because the old one wasn’t compatible with 
> Windows 10.
> I reinstalled Windows 7 Pro with my disk.
> Just wanted to let you all know.
>
> Pastor Gil
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RE: Suggestions for the next version of Window-Eyes

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Yes but the point here is he wants smart reading of message boxes and
dialog.  This means that the screen reader read the static text relating to
the edit box or button without reading the whole thing.  This has been
something I have asked for in the past. 

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Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:11 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Suggestions for the next version of Window-Eyes

Sky,

Open the WE control panel.
Verbosity, Common, Activated.
Tab down to Read entire dialogs and set it to no.

Hth,
Tom


On 11/28/2015 8:46 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Hi AI Squared staff. Sky here. I have a suggestion for the next version of
> Window-Eyes. In other screen readers, like JAWS, NVDA, and System Access,
if
> I open up a dialog box, JAWS will read the dialog box, but not the entire
> contents. For example, when I go into the run dialog box, JAWS, NVDA, and
> System Access will say, "Run. Type the name of the folder, document, or
> internet resource, and windows will open it for you. Followed by open
combo
> edit. In Window-Eyes, not only will it read the run information, but it
will
> read the buttons in tab order. Why is it doing that? It would be wonderful
> for Window-Eyes to just read the dialog box, but not do a lot of yapping
and
> yapping.
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RE: Back To Windows 7 Pro

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well I am using windows 10.  I would never go back to windows 7.  Well ok if 
you gave me lots of money I would do it. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:55 PM
To: 'Pastor Gil Pries' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Back To Windows 7 Pro

Smart move windows 7 is better in my opinion.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:53 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Back To Windows 7 Pro

Hi,
I am back to Windows 7 Pro.
I couldn’t use my Deck-talk Express with Windows 10 and I had trouble burning 
DVDDs.
Windows 10 update kept eracing my Deck-talk driver.
I also had to get a new printer, because the old one wasn’t compatible with 
Windows 10.
I reinstalled Windows 7 Pro with my disk.
Just wanted to let you all know.

Pastor Gil
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RE: Suggestions for the next version of Window-Eyes

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Not only that,  but window-eyes does not read the name of the active tab
when it is changed using ctrl+tab.  This also has been something I reported
on a number of ocations. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:29 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the next version of Window-Eyes

The suggestion is that window-eyes auto read, every time the 
window(s) changes, the "title" of the window.
Try hitting control-tab in any program with multiple windows and 
window-eyes will NOT read the window title.
EVEN WHEN INSTRUCTED TO DO SO, automatically. I can have it read the 
title with the "title" command, but NOT automatically.


At 05:46 PM 11/28/2015, you wrote:
>Hi AI Squared staff. Sky here. I have a suggestion for the next version of
>Window-Eyes. In other screen readers, like JAWS, NVDA, and System Access,
if
>I open up a dialog box, JAWS will read the dialog box, but not the entire
>contents. For example, when I go into the run dialog box, JAWS, NVDA, and
>System Access will say, "Run. Type the name of the folder, document, or
>internet resource, and windows will open it for you. Followed by open combo
>edit. In Window-Eyes, not only will it read the run information, but it
will
>read the buttons in tab order. Why is it doing that? It would be wonderful
>for Window-Eyes to just read the dialog box, but not do a lot of yapping
and
>yapping.
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RE: 32 or 64 bit, that is the question

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

My thoughts  on this  are mainly directed buy the amount of ram on your
system.  If you have 4 gb of ram or less go with x86. If you have more then
4gb of ram then you will want to go with x64.  Yes x86 will at some point be
fazed out.  This will probably not happen soon how-ever. There are some
advantages to x64 but your system will probably not be able to take
advantage of them if it is an older system.  
Hth 


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[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 9:31 PM
To: Window Eyes 
Subject: 32 or 64 bit, that is the question

Hi,

Well before the free W 10 offer expires, I'll update my W7 HP 32 bit system
to a flavour of W 10.  It seems that the system must be upgraded to W 10 32
bit first, activated and then a clean install of W 10 64 bit can be
undertaken if desired.  I think, although not confirmed, the update from W
10 32 bit to W 10 64 bit is also free.

So, my questions are:

Is 64 bit the comeing standard and so sooner or later  32 bit will be phased
out? i.e.  Is it better to bite the bullet now rather than be tforced into a
change in the future?  Also, my system would probably benefit from a clean
install regardless of the version of W 10.

Or, is there no real advantage in going up to 64 bit at present?

I know my system and printer will handle 64 bit and thankfully there is no
difference in versions of WE.  That is unlike the opposition of course.


Your thoughts please.

Thanks
Neville.


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RE: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Generally print screen is the key directly to the right of f12. You will
have print screen scrolled lock and brake. 
Hth 



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Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 7:35 AM
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Subject: Re: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

Where is the print screen key on the keyboard?  I've heard of it, cannot
find it and don't recall ever having used it until this app came out.
Sounds very exciting.


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RE: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Not only that but it is very useful if all you want to do is read the text
file without risking making changes to that file. For example the readme
file for Window-Eyes.  Or the text version of the manual. Witch from all
this woopla about how to get virtual view and updating apps etc. no one
seems to read. 


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Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 6:02 AM
To: gosselin_louis ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
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Subject: RE: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

It's there so nobody can say, "Why can't I virtualize a text file?" 

Aaron

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> -Original Message-
> From: gosselin_louis [mailto:gosselin_lo...@myfairpoint.net]
> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 7:53 AM
> To: Aaron Smith ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
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> Subject: RE: Introducing Virtual View 5.0
> 
> And a second question:  Why would I want to virtualize something as 
> basic as a .txt file?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint.net@lists.window-
> eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Aaron Smith via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 3:34 PM
> To: t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: Introducing Virtual View 5.0
> 
> Virtual View 5.0 now supports exciting new features such as the 
> ability to OCR images from files or the screen, plus virtualizing 
> various document formats, including PDF files. Here are some other
features:
> 
> * You can open an image in any format (jpg, bmp, png, tiff,
> etc.).
> * If you press Alt-Print Screen to capture the active window,
> Virtual View will automatically OCR it for you.
> * The Virtual View options dialog lets you control image
> manipulation to increase OCR success.
> * Supports UAC, allowing you to get contents (specifically
UIA)
> from windows that are elevated.
> 
> * Images inside PDF files are prepended with [BEGIN
> IMAGE] and appended with [END IMAGE].
> * You can choose several different kinds of file formats to
> virtualize, including:
> 
> * Txt
> 
> * Html
> 
> * Xml
> 
> * Zip
> 
> * And if you have Office installed:
> 
> ?  Docx
> 
> ?  Xlsx
> 
> ?  Pptx
> 
> Imagine a Word document filled with text boxes and word art. That 
> information will show up as plain text when passed through Virtual View.
> Spreadsheets and PowerPoint presentations are the same way. If you 
> want to quickly skim a PowerPoint presentation without opening 
> PowerPoint, use Virtual View.
> 
> With zip files, Virtual View can open the zip file and get the text of 
> all text files. At the very least, you can get a list of the files in the
archive.
> 
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RE: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hi,
First I can confirm  that using the key describer with print screen does
infact speak the message print screen. 
Second I can confirm that some keyboard don't send the correct code for this
key.  If this is happening of course you would not expect   window-eyes to
intercept and read this key. 
Third the input help command for nvda is the same command as the key
describer. Insert 1.
Finally  I am going to recommend that the alt+printScreen keyboard command
be added to the keyboard maniger  of virtual view so the user can change it.
I am also going to recommend  that this dialog be added to the app menu as
well.  
Hth 


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Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:31 AM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

Aaron, and the rest.
I have been using numerous keyboards up through the years, and as you 
Aaron suggests, the PrintScreen usually is just right of F12, and on a 
standard keyboard, that would make it the farmost left of the 3 keys 
above the 6-pack. Yet, here is another issue.

On the laptop I have at the moment, a Dell, the 6-pack is located in the 
far upper right corner of the keyboard. That is, the lower-left key, the 
Del-key of the 6-pack, is immediately to the right of F12. There is no 3 
keys above this 6-pack. Neither any other place on the keyboard. Some 
suggested it could be where the App-key used to be, but nope, there we 
only have the Right-Control key. So my guess is that it is located under 
one of the other keys, likely in a combo with the FN-key.

Now moving on with my issue, I normally don't use the laptop's keyboard 
much. Tend to use a wireless keyboard. It is more of a standard 
design.And on this one, sure I have the 3 keys next to the F12. I now 
have had it confirmed that the left of the three, indeed is the 
PrintScreen-key. Thing is, that when I open the Keyboard-describer - 
like you Aaron suggested - I can press this key a million times, and it 
is not announced. Question 1 then, is PrintScreen supposed to be spoken 
under the keyboard describer, and can others confirm that it so happen?

I further cannot get this key to do anything, in connection with the 
Virtual View app, even if I press the Alt-PrintScreen inside a PDF file. 
Question 2, what could be the case with the PrintScreen? Are all 
PrintScreen-keys sending the same keycode, or are we once again into 
some keyboards not producing the right key-command, like with some 
numeric keypads on the market?

I am running a standard American version of Win7 Pro. The only thing 
noticeable about the PrintScreen on my wireless keyboard, is that it 
reads "PrintScreen" and underneath "Sys RQ". Don't know if that is the 
standard label on a keyboard, as I do not have any reference keyboard at 
hand. Further, running under WE8.4.

Although slightly off-topic, does anyone happen to know how to open the 
keyboard-describer in NVDA? I then could check and see if NVDA 
recognizes my PrintScreen key. Just trying to track down why it won't 
have any impact on my Virtual View. Unless something is totally wrong on 
my system, maybe  others are in the risk of experiencing similar issues, 
and hence it would be useful for us to know.

Of course, one small tip for a solution that could be more taylored to 
any keyboard on the market, is if you Aaron could have provided a hotkey 
in the app, which simulated the Alt-PrintScreen. I know, this is not the 
real good solution, but since I here see my laptop having the embedded 
PrintScreen somehow hid, and likely in with an odd key-combo, and my 
Wireless keyboard's PrintScreen does not produce the wanted result - it 
might be worth considering. My next guess is, that the Alt-PrintScreen 
may happen to be a frequently used combo, for many of the users. If not 
all keyboards on the market would happen to have a PrintScreen - and yet 
more have it so wrongly dug into some odd location - it only justifies 
the normal rule, and would strongly back the idea of an app-specific 
"simulation" hotkey.

On 11/5/2015 4:42 PM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> It can differ from keyboard to keyboard, but it's usually to the right of
F12. You can always enable the key describer (Insert-1), then start pressing
keys until you locate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron
>

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RE: Windows 10 pro

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Not unless you need features only found in windows 10 pro.  There is no
accessibility advantages to doing this.  
Hth 


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Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 4:58 PM
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Subject: Windows 10 pro

Any advantages for us WE users to upgrade from Win 10 home to Win10 pro?
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RE: NLS DTBC Write Protect controls not speaking correctly or at all

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

No I am sorry I don't use nls cartridges.  I would recommends   that you
contact the nls and report this problem to them. It would also be helpful to
know if you see this problem with other screen readers.  
Hth 


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Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 4:22 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: NLS DTBC Write Protect controls not speaking correctly or at all

Hi listers and AI Squared staff:

 

I sometimes use NLS cartridges to store books.

 

Previously, I have used the software from NLS to write-protect cartridges
and the controls spoke using WE fairly well.

 

The URL for the software is:

 

http://www.loc.gov/nls/mdd/DTBCartridgeWriteProtect-1.4.1.msi

 

 

With this latest version, running Windows 7, WE speaks the names of the
controls, but, all the checkboxes and radio buttons say "unchecked" no
matter what I do.  I could use the mouse keys and WE would read the
tool-tips, which would actually give me clues as to whether something was
marked or not.

 

In Windows 10, I can't get much to speak at all.

 

Anyone know why this program, once useable, is now much harder to use?

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RE: windows speech

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Windows 10 speech is not a screen reader.  It is a speech synthesizer.  The
voices are the same as they were in windows 8.  If on the other hand you are
talking about narrator you can access this at any time buy pressing the
windows and enter. Narrator for windows 10 actually is a lot better than
narrator has ever been under windows 10.  If you actually do want to use
windows speech then you would bring up the Window-Eyes control  panel with
ctrl+\. In the tree select devices.  Expand this and go down to speech.  In
the list of synthesizers  select Microsoft  speech api.  Now press tab to
the list of voices select the voice you want to use and press enter.  
Hth 


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Behalf Of Bud Schwab via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 6:23 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: windows speech

Hi guys,
I wonder how to access windows 10 built-in speech.  I know it's minimum but
would be handy in case windoweyes should fail for some reason or other.
Thanks.


Bud Schwab
W 6 Z Y P
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RE: how to hide search box in windows 7

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Just install classic shell. This will give you more control over your start
menu.  This includes where the search box is. For example I am running
windows 10.  I am using classic shell. The search box is focused if I press
tab from the start menu.  This means I see all of my menu options and the
search box is out of my way unless I want it buy tabbing over to it.  This
gives you the best of both worlds.  
Hth 


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Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 11:17 AM
To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; RajTribhuwan 
Subject: Re: how to hide search box in windows 7

if your going to turn it off, you may as well turn off indexing to save
performance, but only if you turn off windows search, because when your
searching for files the indexing service is needed
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From: "Carol and Roger via Talk" 
To: "RajTribhuwan" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 

Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: how to hide search box in windows 7


> Yes, it is possible, but it takes away literally every option for 
> searching for anything.  If you need it, though, it can be restarted 
> the same way it was turned off.
>
>
> On 10/20/2015 2:50 AM, RajTribhuwan via Talk wrote:
>> Thanks, I thought it was not possible! Good to know.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 11:27 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: how to hide search box in windows 7
>>
>> Hi, Dennis.
>>
>> Windows Search can be turned off by doing this:
>>
>> Start > Control Panel  > Programs and features> Turn Windows Features 
>> On or Off >.
>> You'll have to choose yes at the UAC prompt, then wait for the list 
>> of features to populate. When it does, tab to the tree view and 
>> navigate down to Windows Search and uncheck it.
>> Tab to OK and press Enter.
>>
>> Some people like the search box, others are still comfortable with 
>> the feel of Windows XP. Decide for yourself.
>>
>> Lou N.
>>   -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Dennis via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:59 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: how to hide search box in windows 7
>>
>> Hi, could someone write me off list with instructions on how to hide 
>> and unhide the search box in windows7?  Thanks.
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RE: copy to clipboard

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

If you add an app this is possible. How-ever these apps  read the text
copied to the clipboard. They do not read clipboard events such as sound
files etc. just tex
What makes you think your file is not being copied? 

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Behalf Of bud schwab via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 11:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: copy to clipboard

Hi Guys,
I'm trying to copy a zipped file to the clipboard and put it somewhere else.
I don't think it is copying. As I recall there's a hot key to read what's on
the clipboard but I have forgotten it.  Could somebody enlighten me?
Thanks.
--
Bud Schwab
W6 Z Y P
ElSegundo, California

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RE: read to end does not work while enabling the insert key layout app

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Actually all that needs to happen here is the issues that have been reported
with this app get fixed.  The app is already included with Window-Eyes. No
need to reinvent the will.  


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 1:08 PM
To: 'net bat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: read to end does not work while enabling the insert key layout
app

Hi netback. I know but the problem is that there are still jfw users that
might want to trial Window-Eyes and they might want a familiar layout to use
instead of the default hotkeys. In that case, what I would suggest should
happen is to have a layout that is built into Window-Eyes that JFW users can
use to transition. Also I would suggest that after installation, one of the
questions would be to ask a user whether he or she is familiar with JAWS and
wants to adapt Window-Eyes for a seenless transition. That could help a lot
of people especially as there are those out there who have no idea that
Window-Eyes can be adapted to a jfw or NVDA layout or whatever. If these
suggestions could be incorporated, I'm sure we could see more jfw users
using Window-Eyes alongside of jfw to get things done.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:58 PM
To: Charles Short; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: read to end does not work while enabling the insert key layout
app

thats why i uninstalled it . there are too many conflicts. read to end is
undefined and can not be enabled or saved, two autoload keys etc. even when
you turn the insert layout app off these key changes remain until you close
the program you had loaded or reload w e every time to get it back to
normal.
i wish aisquared would either fix it or get rid of it all together. it never
worked right and i don't think it has been updated since it was released.

-Original Message-
From: Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: read to end does not work while enabling the insert key layout app

Hello listers, read to end doesn't work while the insert key layout app is
enabled.  Do I have to redefine read to end all over again?
Thanks,
Charlie Short


Best Regards

Charlie Short


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RE: upgrading to windows 10 using window eyes.

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hi,
Did the upgrade with no problem.  I removed all screen readers before
upgrading backing up all my settings. The only screen reader I did not
remove was nvda.  Did the upgrade using nvda for the first part and narrator
for the second.  No problems. You will get the build update threw windows
update.  There is no need to do anything.  It will automatically update when
it becomes available.  Just like all important updates to windows.  
Hth 


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 9:45 AM
To: groov...@juno.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: upgrading to windows 10 using window eyes.

backup first. i had many problems with the in place upgrade and did a clean
install the second time. i would also wait until next month when the service
pack comes out. it might be included with the full windows 10 download. i
don't know about this. but it would be easier then haveing to install twice.

-Original Message-
From: Sue J Ward via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 9:32 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: upgrading to windows 10 using window eyes.

  Hello. I am thinking of upgrading to windows 10 using window eyes and the
tutorials have been excellent. Was wondering how many of you had success in
upgrading? I do have window eyes 9.2 on that machine along with that a CD
copy should be easy. Or should I wait til Christmas time?


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RE: stability versus new browse mode

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hi,
Well I find making auto hot key scripts for starting programs much more
reliable than using the windows short cut key system.  Another advantage is
you can use key combos that are not supported by the typical windows short
cut key system.  For example: I have Window-Eyes starting with the short cut
of windows+alt+w. 
Another advantage is I can take this short cut key script and run it on any
computer and the short cut key script will work.  
Hth 


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:26 AM
To: Josh Rivera ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Then press windows-r and type wineyes and press enter.

If the hot key doesn't work, that will. If it doesn't work then the
alt-control-w wouldn't have worked anyway.
Chris


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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Rivera via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:19 AM
To: 'Kevin Huber' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Only problem is, for many of us, that combination doesn't work.


 
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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:57 AM
To: gosselin_louis; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: stability versus new browse mode

Hi Louis:

They have added a feature in Window-eyes 9.1 which allows you to press
control-alt-w and Window-eyes will shut down and then start up again.

Kevin Huber
On 9/15/15, gosselin_louis via Talk  wrote:
> Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this 
> business of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention 
> ctrl-Alt-w as the touted cure, but no one is saying that you must 
> first shut Win-Eyes down with CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing 
> some time for things to take effect, and hopefully hearing the 
> descending harp stroke sound, then you do the Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my 
> experience, though, if you don't hear the descending harp sound, the 
> Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the pressing of the 
> powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly restoring speech 
> before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish there were some 
> way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.
>
> Louis Gosselin
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint.net@lists.window-eyes.
> com]
> On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: stability versus new browse mode
>
> Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I 
> had
to
> reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't 
> characterize
the
> stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this 
> problem is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.
>
> Butch
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RE: stability versus new browse mode

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Because you don't have to shut down window-eyes to restart with the startup
command what ever you define it as.  You can also just use the run dialog
and type wineyes.exe and press enter.  Window-eyes should restart.  
This has been the case for a while now.  


-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 4:40 AM
To: 'Butch K' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this business
of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention ctrl-Alt-w as the touted
cure, but no one is saying that you must first shut Win-Eyes down with
CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing some time for things to take effect,
and hopefully hearing the descending harp stroke sound, then you do the
Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my experience, though, if you don't hear the
descending harp sound, the Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the
pressing of the powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly
restoring speech before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish
there were some way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.

Louis Gosselin

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I had to
reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't characterize the
stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this problem
is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.

Butch

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RE: stability versus new browse mode

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

What browser is being used hear.  I am not able to reproduce this problem
using window eyes for office at the moment 9.2 with windows 10 and internet
explorer 11.  It works just fine.  


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 6:33 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Hello, I had been using a windows 7 laptop running wineyes 7.5, and it was
fairly stable. When I finally upgraded to wineyes 9.1, the new browse mode
could not perform the same tasks as the earlier version of wineyes. It kept
freezing up while I was on the web doing the same tasks as I had done while
running wineyes 7.5. Pressing control, alt, W did nothing. I had to do a
cold boot everytime. After using 9.1 for a couple of weeks, I had to
uninstall it and go back to an earlier version. This time I installed 8.4,
and it works as well as when I was running wineyes 7.5. So, to get the
benefits of the new browse mode, I would have to sacrifice stability. For
me, wineyes 9 was a waste of money. I can't even use it. I mean what good is
a silent screen reader. I have been using wineyes since the 1990's, and I
have never been this disappointed. The new browse mode is so dysfunctional
that it should be in beta. 

Butch


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RE: A different way to ask about the value of the Edge browser for us Window-Eyes users.

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well not having played a lot with edge as of yet I can not really address
this question as it was pozed.  How-ever I will try to explain some things
based on my understanding.  First edge is accessible.  There are some
problems with it but these problems are being sorted out.  Note NVDA already
has expairamental support for the edge browser.  I am sure that the
window-eyes team also has such support for the edge browser in house.  It
should be noted here that the edge system is also used in universal  app
support and this is very important to blind people who want to use these
apps even if you don't use edge.  Remember also this operating system was
put out less then a month ago.  The issues and problems are being addressed.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Minor via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 12:11 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: A different way to ask about the value of the Edge browser for us
Window-Eyes users.

Hi.

 

Before I go into my question, I agree with those that think Microsoft should
have included the ability for screen readers to use Edge.  If the code is
there, screen reader manufacturers are willing to use it.

 

Now, having said that, I have a different view of the Edge browser.  What
can it do for us blind users that Internet Explorer can't?  The only thing
I've heard of is you can write or type on a web page, but I don't know why
this is useful.  It obviously is, or Microsoft wouldn't have made it part of
Edge.

 

Just curious.

 

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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RE: Classic shell and Windows 10

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hi,
I am using this program on windows 8.1 and love it. Glad to know that it
will work on windows 10.  I am installing this as soon as it become
available for my pc.  Thanks for the information.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 1:40 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Classic shell and Windows 10

Came across this article and thought it may be of interest:

http://www.howtogeek.com/223728/bring-the-windows-7-start-menu-to-windows-10
-with-classic-shell/


Chris


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RE: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

No sorry this works just fine on windows 8.1.  the dectalk is awful but it
will install.  
Hth.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of John Chilelli via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 10:06 PM
To: 'Josh K' joshknnd1...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

Josh,

This installation is only good for Windows OS 2000 or earlier.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jac=neo.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:52 AM
To: Jim Grimsby JR.; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

and here is a link to your sapi5 decTalk.

http://theflameofhope.co/dectalkreader1/DECtalkMain.zip

unzip it and in the dectalk main folder is a sapi5 folder so hit enter on
the sapi5 folder and run setup from inside the sapi5 folder and you will
have your sapi5 dectalk.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 7/11/2015 1:51 AM, Jim Grimsby JR. wrote:
 Josh why would code factory do keynote.  Human ware owns this 
 software. At least I think they do.  I believe at one time I herd that 
 it was maid for them buy lh. as we all know lh is long gone.  I am 
 not sure what they can do about this.
 I am sorry josh but with my hearing problems I would rather see a 
 useable version of dectalk maid for sapi 5.  If it was done for 
 android I would jump on that to.


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 [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
 Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 10:27 AM
 To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Gary Metzler
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 yes and maybe we can get codeFactory to bring us keynote gold sapi5 
 and
 infovox230 sapi5 and doubleTalk sapi5 same for android and maybe 
 keysoft for windows and android as well. I hope so!

 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/9/2015 12:19 PM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:
 And I find DecTalk Paul the easiest voice because it's what I've used 
 for
 15 years.  Eloquence pronounces some words differently that confuse 
 me.  So funny how we all just get used to things.  Glad there are 
 options to suit various preferences.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
 Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:11 AM
 To: Gary Metzler; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 you unzip it with 7zip which is free and then go into the sapi5 
 folder and
 run setup follow the prompts and install it that way then switch to it 
 in NVDA synthesizer dialog using microsoft speech API 5.
 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/9/2015 4:29 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
 Will the dectalk syth work in ndva?  If so how would I install it?
 Thanks,

 -Original Message- From: Josh K via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:12 PM
 To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 just some sample programs to make it talk in case you don't have a 
 screen reader and some development documents that you don't need.

 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/8/2015 7:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
 i found it free on a website bundled with some other decTalk stuff
 though.

 Thanks. I downloaded and installed it, but Window-eyes crashes most 
 times when I switch to those SAPI 5 Dectalk voices. What else was 
 bundled there?



 Orlando Enrique Fiol
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 University of Pennsylvania
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RE: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Sorry this software speech is awful.  Not sure what they did to the good old
relyable dectalk, but it sounds like it is speaking with some sort of
strange accent.  I will stick with dectalk access 32 for window-eyes.  
 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 8:08 PM
To: bryan bryanhage...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

yes, the sapi5 decTalk is excellent and I plan to buy sapi5 eloquence within
the next two weeks.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 7/18/2015 11:00 PM, bryan wrote:
 I actually have the sapi 5 dectalk.
 I love it.

 On 7/11/2015 6:57 PM, Josh K via Talk wrote:
 yes it sure would. well we'll see maybe humanware if they get enough 
 interest will make a sapi5 keynote gold.

 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/11/2015 2:49 PM, Jim Grimsby JR. wrote:
 Maybe they do josh this is open for debate.  How-ever this software 
 is still owned buy human ware and how much control  over it and what 
 they are able to do with it is also open to question.  As if memery 
 serve me this software was actually  not created buy human ware but 
 buy lh. as we all know lh is long gone. Scansoft bought most of 
 its holdings when they went
 out.   If
 this is so who ever worked with this would have to work closely with 
 human ware and who ever it is who hold the software.  Probably 
 nuance.
 As I said before I would rather have a useable sapi 5 version of the 
 dectalk. No that software is not useable.  That is dectalk 5.0 and 
 it sounds awful.
 It is to bad that the voices you buy for window-eyes can not also 
 support sapi 5.  I kind of resent the idea that voices have to be 
 bought for each screen reader. The unlock program was cool.  You 
 could run it as a service it would see that you have a key for that 
 software and unlock it.
 Not only
 for use with what ever screen reader but for the whole system. If a 
 sapi support was also available you could use it where ever you 
 wanted.
 This is what I would love to see.

 Dectalk for android would also be nice.


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 11:31 AM
 To: Elizabeth; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 My dad takes apart old cars. those cars were made by companies. He 
 has stuff from the 60s from high school that he saved, takes that 
 stuff apart.
 And
 that is not illegal. So what is illegal about taking apart an old 
 synthesizer that nobody uses? clearly our software licensing and 
 laws need serious changing!

 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/11/2015 10:40 AM, Elizabeth wrote:
 I thought reverse engineering of a company's product is illegal.


 At 06:55 AM 7/11/2015, you wrote:
 nuance owns eloquence and codeFactory partnered with them. so why 
 not keynote and humanware? also couldn't keynote gold be 
 reverse-engineered?

 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/11/2015 1:51 AM, Jim Grimsby JR. wrote:
 Josh why would code factory do keynote. Human ware owns this 
 software. At least I think they do.  I believe at one time I herd 
 that it was maid for them buy lh. as we all know lh is long gone.
 I am not sure what they can do about this.
 I am sorry josh but with my hearing problems I would rather see a 
 useable version of dectalk maid for sapi 5.  If it was done for 
 android I would jump on that to.


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.co
 m]
 On Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 10:27 AM
 To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Gary Metzler
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 yes and maybe we can get codeFactory to bring us keynote gold 
 sapi5 and
 infovox230 sapi5 and doubleTalk sapi5 same for android and maybe 
 keysoft for windows and android as well. I hope so!

 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/9/2015 12:19 PM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:
 And I find DecTalk Paul the easiest voice because it's what I've 
 used for
 15 years.  Eloquence pronounces some words differently that 
 confuse me.  So funny how we all just get used to things.  Glad 
 there are options to suit various preferences.
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.co
 m]
 On Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:11 AM
 To: Gary Metzler; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 you unzip it with 7zip which is free and then go into the sapi5 
 folder and
 run setup follow the prompts and install it that way then switch 
 to it in NVDA synthesizer dialog using microsoft speech API 5.
 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 

RE: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Maybe they do josh this is open for debate.  How-ever this software is still
owned buy human ware and how much control  over it and what they are able to
do with it is also open to question.  As if memery serve me this software
was actually  not created buy human ware but buy lh. as we all know lh is
long gone. Scansoft bought most of its holdings when they went out.   If
this is so who ever worked with this would have to work closely with human
ware and who ever it is who hold the software.  Probably nuance.  
As I said before I would rather have a useable sapi 5 version of the
dectalk. No that software is not useable.  That is dectalk 5.0 and it sounds
awful. 
It is to bad that the voices you buy for window-eyes can not also support
sapi 5.  I kind of resent the idea that voices have to be bought for each
screen reader. The unlock program was cool.  You could run it as a service
it would see that you have a key for that software and unlock it.  Not only
for use with what ever screen reader but for the whole system.  If a sapi
support was also available you could use it where ever you wanted.  
This is what I would love to see. 

Dectalk for android would also be nice. 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 11:31 AM
To: Elizabeth; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

My dad takes apart old cars. those cars were made by companies. He has stuff
from the 60s from high school that he saved, takes that stuff apart. And
that is not illegal. So what is illegal about taking apart an old
synthesizer that nobody uses? clearly our software licensing and laws need
serious changing!

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 7/11/2015 10:40 AM, Elizabeth wrote:
 I thought reverse engineering of a company's product is illegal.


 At 06:55 AM 7/11/2015, you wrote:
 nuance owns eloquence and codeFactory partnered with them. so why not 
 keynote and humanware? also couldn't keynote gold be reverse-engineered?

 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/11/2015 1:51 AM, Jim Grimsby JR. wrote:
 Josh why would code factory do keynote. Human ware owns this 
 software. At least I think they do.  I believe at one time I herd 
 that it was maid for them buy lh. as we all know lh is long gone.  
 I am not sure what they can do about this.
 I am sorry josh but with my hearing problems I would rather see a 
 useable version of dectalk maid for sapi 5.  If it was done for 
 android I would jump on that to.


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 10:27 AM
 To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Gary Metzler
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 yes and maybe we can get codeFactory to bring us keynote gold sapi5 
 and
 infovox230 sapi5 and doubleTalk sapi5 same for android and maybe 
 keysoft for windows and android as well. I hope so!

 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/9/2015 12:19 PM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:
 And I find DecTalk Paul the easiest voice because it's what I've 
 used for
 15 years.  Eloquence pronounces some words differently that confuse 
 me.  So funny how we all just get used to things.  Glad there are 
 options to suit various preferences.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:11 AM
 To: Gary Metzler; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 you unzip it with 7zip which is free and then go into the sapi5 
 folder and
 run setup follow the prompts and install it that way then switch to 
 it in NVDA synthesizer dialog using microsoft speech API 5.
 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/9/2015 4:29 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
 Will the dectalk syth work in ndva? If so how would I install it?
 Thanks,

 -Original Message- From: Josh K via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:12 PM
 To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 just some sample programs to make it talk in case you don't have a 
 screen reader and some development documents that you don't need.

 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/8/2015 7:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
 i found it free on a website bundled with some other decTalk 
 stuff
 though.

 Thanks. I downloaded and installed it, but Window-eyes crashes 
 most times when I switch to those SAPI 5 Dectalk voices. What 
 else was bundled there?



 Orlando Enrique Fiol
 Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
 University of Pennsylvania
 Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, 
 Performer and Teacher
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RE: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Josh why would code factory do keynote.  Human ware owns this software. At
least I think they do.  I believe at one time I herd that it was maid for
them buy lh. as we all know lh is long gone.  I am not sure what they can
do about this.  
I am sorry josh but with my hearing problems I would rather see a useable
version of dectalk maid for sapi 5.  If it was done for android I would jump
on that to. 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 10:27 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Gary Metzler
Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

yes and maybe we can get codeFactory to bring us keynote gold sapi5 and
infovox230 sapi5 and doubleTalk sapi5 same for android and maybe keysoft for
windows and android as well. I hope so!

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 7/9/2015 12:19 PM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:
 And I find DecTalk Paul the easiest voice because it's what I've used for
15 years.  Eloquence pronounces some words differently that confuse me.  So
funny how we all just get used to things.  Glad there are options to suit
various preferences.


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
 [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
 Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:11 AM
 To: Gary Metzler; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 you unzip it with 7zip which is free and then go into the sapi5 folder and
run setup follow the prompts and install it that way then switch to it in
NVDA synthesizer dialog using microsoft speech API 5.

 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/9/2015 4:29 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
 Will the dectalk syth work in ndva?  If so how would I install it?
 Thanks,

 -Original Message- From: Josh K via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:12 PM
 To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 just some sample programs to make it talk in case you don't have a 
 screen reader and some development documents that you don't need.

 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/8/2015 7:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
 i found it free on a website bundled with some other decTalk stuff
 though.

 Thanks. I downloaded and installed it, but Window-eyes crashes most 
 times when I switch to those SAPI 5 Dectalk voices. What else was 
 bundled there?



 Orlando Enrique Fiol
 Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
 University of Pennsylvania
 Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer 
 and Teacher

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RE: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well I could not get this to work.  it just said connecting to server for
ever and never  did anything when trying to activate   it for my 7 days.
That is ok not that big on this sinthasizer any way.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 8:06 AM
To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

New dectalk sounds like old dectalk to me barely tolerable.

Reeva

On Thursday, July 9, 2015, Joseph Norton via Talk 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 Here's the one from the UK.  As far as I know, works the 
 same--seven-day trial and such.


 http://www.comproom.co.uk/downloads/EloquenceForWindows_ComputerRoom-S
 etup.e
 xe


 Hope this helps.




 -Original Message-
 From: Darrell Bowles [mailto:dgbow...@msn.com javascript:;]
 Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 10:25 AM
 To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 Was there not a place to get a 7 day trial of the eloquence synthesizer?


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles javascript:;= 
 msn@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of Joseph 
 Norton via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 10:21 AM
 To: 'Jim Grimsby JR.'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Orlando Enrique 
 Fiol'
 Subject: RE: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 Yep, DecTalk shouldn't even be dignified with the name DecTalk anymore.
 The
 later versions of this synth, frankly, suck--and that's being generous.

 After Fonix took it over, they butchered the DecTalk synthesizer.  
 When DEC maintained it, it sounded great!  It had excellent audio 
 quality, and, could even sing with vibrato and probably a lot more I 
 don't know about.



 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton javascript:;= 
 gmail@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of Jim 
 Grimsby JR. via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 5:13 AM
 To: 'Orlando Enrique Fiol'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 Well if you are looking for the dectalk access 32 sound or dectalk 4.4 
 and later you are going to be disappointed  with this SaPI  version of
dectalk.
 It is dectalk 5.0.  Usualy as the version number goes up software gets 
 better.  sad I can't not say the same for this voice.
 Hth


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby javascript:;= 
 roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of 
 Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 4:04 PM
 To: Josh K; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

  i found it free on a website bundled with some other decTalk stuff 
 though.

 Thanks. I downloaded and installed it, but Window-eyes crashes most 
 times when I switch to those SAPI 5 Dectalk voices. What else was bundled
there?



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 University of Pennsylvania
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 and Teacher

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RE: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well if I could get dectalk 4.61 to support sapi 5 that would be cool.  I
just don't like dectalk 5.  Dectalk 6 was also pretty bad.  There was a
feture to allow for classic  voices with that one but I never figured out
how to do it.  
Dectalk 4.61 is still the clearest and most responsive software device in my
view.  



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:20 AM
To: Josh K; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Gary Metzler
Subject: RE: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

And I find DecTalk Paul the easiest voice because it's what I've used for 15
years.  Eloquence pronounces some words differently that confuse me.  So
funny how we all just get used to things.  Glad there are options to suit
various preferences. 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Josh K via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:11 AM
To: Gary Metzler; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

you unzip it with 7zip which is free and then go into the sapi5 folder and
run setup follow the prompts and install it that way then switch to it in
NVDA synthesizer dialog using microsoft speech API 5.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 7/9/2015 4:29 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
 Will the dectalk syth work in ndva?  If so how would I install it?  
 Thanks,

 -Original Message- From: Josh K via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:12 PM
 To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 just some sample programs to make it talk in case you don't have a 
 screen reader and some development documents that you don't need.

 follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 On 7/8/2015 7:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
 i found it free on a website bundled with some other decTalk stuff
 though.

 Thanks. I downloaded and installed it, but Window-eyes crashes most 
 times when I switch to those SAPI 5 Dectalk voices. What else was 
 bundled there?



 Orlando Enrique Fiol
 Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
 University of Pennsylvania
 Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer 
 and Teacher


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RE: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well if you are looking for the dectalk access 32 sound or dectalk 4.4 and
later you are going to be disappointed  with this SaPI  version of dectalk.
It is dectalk 5.0.  Usualy as the version number goes up software gets
better.  sad I can't not say the same for this voice.  
Hth 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 4:04 PM
To: Josh K; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence and sapi5 dec-talk

 i found it free on a website bundled with some other decTalk stuff though.

Thanks. I downloaded and installed it, but Window-eyes crashes most times
when I switch to those SAPI 5 Dectalk voices. What else was bundled there?



Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and
Teacher

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RE: Can I turn off the clanger in Outlook

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well in windows 8 it is the same sound.  I always thought of it as an alert
sound. Yes like a dor bell.  I also find it useful to know when I have such
an alert in outlook or internet explorer.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:23 AM
To: Steve Clower; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Can I turn off the clanger in Outlook

I just listened to the file in question and I'm not sure where people are
coming up with this clanger thing? It actually reminds me of a doorbell,
at least with Windows 7. I'm not sure if the windows 8.1 sound for the
information bar is different for that, but for win 7 I'd actually call that
more of a doorbell, ding dong! Either way, it's good that that particular
sound can be turned off easily. I like it, because it lets me know a
download is ready to go, or something else with the information bar needs my
attention.






On 6/26/2015 7:49 AM, Steve Clower via Talk wrote:
 Hello,

 The sound indicates that the notification bar has appeared in Outlook. To
turn it off, open Window-Eyes with Control-Backslash, navigate to Apps -
Outlook Enhance, and press Enter on Play sound when Outlook information bar
appears.

 Regards,
 Steve



 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
 [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
 Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 7:40 AM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: Can I turn off the clanger in Outlook

 Can I turn off the clanger in Outlook?  I don't mind it in IE, but it gets
pretty tedious while reading email.  And wouldn't you think warning sounds
should be restricted to possibly dangerous situations?  Why should it clang
when opening .txt messages?

 Louis Gosselin



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RE: Trying to make Notepad say the first and last characters on a line, using the Home and End keys

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Is the notepad set file loaded?  When you start notepad.  As I said before
this cursor key is defined and works here.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 7:28 AM
To: 'Chris Grabowski'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Jeff Weiss'
Subject: RE: Trying to make Notepad say the first and last characters on a
line, using the Home and End keys

Chris,

I don't understand what you're saying.  Are you saying you have duplicated
my experience on your Windows 8.1 system?  I'm not running Windows 8.1, but
Windows 7.  But if you're telling me that I'm not alone, perhaps that means
the problem is an oversight by the Win-eyes folks, and perhaps a solution
will be forthcoming?

Louis



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From: Talk
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On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:09 AM
To: Jeff Weiss; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Trying to make Notepad say the first and last characters on a
line, using the Home and End keys

Hi,
Creative way to work around the issue.
I have duplicated the end key in Notepad issue under Windows 8.1.

Thanks,
Chris


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From: Talk
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Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 3:15 PM
To: gosselin_louis; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Trying to make Notepad say the first and last characters on a
line, using the Home and End keys

This works for me with notepad and the end key:

With notepad loaded:
control backslash to enter WE control panel

arrow down to cursor keys
right arrow to open
downarrow to keys
tab to show program button and press spacebar select the end key first
action execute hot key first action info mouse to focus second action
execute hotkey second action info mouse prior character save settings

hth,
Jeff Weiss


-Original Message-
From: gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 12:40 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Trying to make Notepad say the first and last characters on a
line,using the Home and End keys

This may well be the reason I've always hated Notepad, and why I always try
to make far more use of MS Word.  I have no trouble in wird setting up the
described responses with the Home and End cursoring keys.  In word, the
Cursoring key adjustments are set up so that when I press the home key on
any line in the document, I hear the first letter on that line, and when I
press the End key, I likewise hear the last character of the current line.

In Notepad, however, the Home key works in that same manner, but pressing
the End key yields no sound at all, and that's regardless of the selected
First Action setting, which is the #3 of the 20 or so possible selections,
and which matches the setting in Word. The Second Action response is also
set to Undefined.  The cursoring key settings are all global.

Even if I try setting the first action setting for the End key to say
line, I still hear nothing.  Any good ideas out there about what I might
have done?  I'd like to make better use of Notepad, because Word is so rich
in disruptable settings that can force you to spend hours tracking down
problems with formatting.

Louis Gosselin



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RE: Trying to make Notepad say the first and last characters on a line, using the Home and End keys

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hi,
The notepad set should already do this.  You should not need to do anything
accept press home or end.  Then it will read the information you are asking
for.  
Hth 


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Martha Reaney via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 12:07 PM
To: gosselin_louis; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Trying to make Notepad say the first and last characters on a
line, using the Home and End keys

Hi.

In Notepad, under format, do you have word wrap checked or unchecked?

I use Notepad all of the time, with word wrap checked.
After I press the home key, or the end key, I usually use the right and left
arrow keys to confirm the first and last characters...

Martha
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RE: Windows 10

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

At some point you will get a windows update that will allow you to get
windows 10 when it becomes available.  If you want to update just reserve
your copy.  The update that allows you to check if your system is compatible
and reserve your update will also allow you to install it when it becomes
available or pick a time that is convenient  for you to install it.  I my
self am going to do it as soon as it become available I can hardly wait.  I
am going to love the new universal  aps support the ability to use android
apps on it if this is accessible and the new start screen.  I also am hoping
that the voice assistant is accessible soon and of course I hope window-eyes
will support touch with it.  I also hope that nls will make its android app
available on windows. Also Iphone apps can be ported to windows as well.
This is exciting stuff.  I am also going to look in to windows 10 mobile  on
the phone side as well.  
Ok I know I love my windows.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:18 PM
To: Kevin Huber; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10

I haven't seen the notification for windows 10 in my system tray yet. I'm
running windows 8.1 64 bit with all updates installed am i missing
something.

Reeva

On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, Kevin Huber via Talk 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 Hi Maria:

 Since Windows 10 has not been released yet, I think we will have to 
 wait until people have had a chance to use it for a couple of months 
 and read, or listen to the opinions of users.  That is the only way 
 that we will know for sure.
 Kevin Huber On 6/10/15, Mary Heinrichs via Talk 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:; wrote:
  Hi. This is Maria. Every time I sign out of Skype and quit it by 
  going
 into
  the System tray, I get this thing called Get Windows 10. Is it a 
  good version of Windows? I mean, I've heard every other Windows is 
  good and
 every
  other Windows isn't so good. Is it as good as Windows 7 is or is it 
  like Windows 8 where everyone had problems? Thanks.
  Maria
 
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RE: Monitor required

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

This is correct.  Although with some video cards you might get a warning
beep if no monitor  is pluged in to the port.  On a very few computers I
have seen if no monitor  is connected it may not boot. If this is the case
someone will need to go in to the bios and fix this.  As I said  I have not
seen this on very many boxes. Feel free then to use your system with no
monitor.  
 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:49 AM
To: Petro T. Giannakopoulos; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Monitor required

A monitor is only required if you need sighted assistance.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 5:53 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Monitor required

Is a monitor required to install and use W-Eyes 9.1? Is a monitor only
required if one needs sighted assistance?
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RE: upgrading to windows 10

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Why just use NVDA or narrator to get it done. 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
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Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 3:52 AM
To: Christopher-Mark Gilland; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: upgrading to windows 10

hmmm, since you have to uninstall WE before you do this, it will be
interesting.

Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 No, it doesn't work that way.  It will be a windows update, and if you
 have it reserved, it will download and install with all your other
 updates.
 
 Chris.
 
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 From: Chris via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: Charles Short clsh...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion
 List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 3:36 AM
 Subject: Re: upgrading to windows 10
 
 
  Me personally, I am going to leave this Windows 8.1 64 bit laptop
  alone but will reserve my copy anyway. I hope I can download it as
  an image then use that in a virtual machine.
 
  On 03/06/2015 02:11, Charles Short via Talk wrote:
  Should I upgrade to Windows 10, or should I wait and see if it will
work
  with WE?  I see it in my sys tray, too. .oh what to do, what to do,
  what to
  do.  Should I uninstall my programs or back them up?
  Thanks
 
 
  Best Regards
 
  Charlie Short
 
 
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RE: is Windows 10 accessible?

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

I am sorry to here this.  The fact is windows 10 when it comes out will
allow us to do so much more with our computers. It is a free update that
will allow you to use universal  apps work with apps that we never had on
the pc.  Have a voice assistant on the pc and so on. Windows 10 is also
going to be more stable and faster and is very much worth  upgrading  to.
Btw once again it is a free upgraid so why not?


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Alan J Paganelli via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 9:59 AM
To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is Windows 10 accessible?

I see in my systray on my windows 7 64 bit laptop that there is an item
there to upgrade to windows 10.  Windows 7 meets my needs and so I'm
ignoring the update.




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-Original Message-
From: Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:49 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: is Windows 10 accessible?

Hi Rod,
Not sure about Windows 10, but when I went to 8.0 from 7 I had to remove
Window-eyes before doing the upgrade.
You can press windows-enter to start and stop narrator in 8.1 and later.
More than likely you'll be at the setup your computer screen and Narrator
should work enough to get you to the desktop to reinstall Windows, again,
you can use windows-enter as a toggle.
Chris


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[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 3:02 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: is Windows 10 accessible?

Hi Darrell,

Do you mind answering a couple of questions?
Is it possible to just upgrade to Windows 10 from a copy of Windows 7 Home
or Ultimate and then would Window-Eyes make the transition into the new OS?
If Window-Eyes needs to be reinstalled, what would I need to do in order to
get to a place where I have screen reader access via Narrator?
I certainly appreciate any feedback. Smile

Much thanks,

Rod

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Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:13 PM
To: Jesse; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is Windows 10 accessible?

I am using the preview, and it is accessible. There are some issues of
responciveness, such as when you use alt tab to switch between windows, and
be careful when moving between builds, because if you are microsoft office
window-eyes user, it will remove your serial number.

-Original Message-
From: Jesse via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:59 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: is Windows 10 accessible?

When trying to do a normal Windows update, got the reserve your copy of
Windows 10.  Using Win 7, is this new version accessible? Thanks.

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RE: Seeking Your Input

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well in spartom prodject fire fox plug-ins will work.  I think the most
important things for window-eyes is to support that web browser as soon as
it become a stationary target.
Second window-eyes is the only screen reader at the moment that does not
support touch.  Window-eyes needs to support touch. 
All these other ideas are nice and fine but with out touch support
window-eyes is behind everyone else.  I am sure that the issue is being
studied and when we finely get touch support it will be better then the
rest. 
Finely window-eyes really needs to do a better job hooking the keyboard.
For example in windows explorer command for shift insert can not be defined
because if you issue these commands the paste command is performed instead.
In outlook the new message command is performed instead of the shift insert
command. Capslock should be its own prefix verces just being another insert
key.   Numpad insert and the insert key should be treated as separate keys
as should left windows and right windows. 
3rd party tools.
Screen ocr should be added as a add-on app that gets installed with
window-eyes. Support for skype really needs improvement.  I should be able
to use skype in what ever interface.  Keys for accessing the most important
parts of the skype window should be added.

In windows explorer keyboard commands to read headers should be added. 

In the brows enhanced  app place markers should work as expected.  The
ability to read the name of the document loaded should be added as well as
reading the line of text the browser is on should be added.  And example 
Please log in document.
National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
Downloadable Books and Magazines 
I have window-eyes set to read nothing because I don't want the whole page
read as a page loads.  I don't want the first 24 lines.  I just want to know
what page I am on and the line of text I am on.  As it stands now I get no
information at all. 

Minor window-eyes changes.
Smart message box reading.  I don't want a whole message  box read.  I also
most of the time want to hear more information then just the name of the
dialog   and the focus button.  I want the name the text relating to the
message and the focused button. 
For example.  Delete Multiple Items
Are you sure you want to permanently delete these 11 items?
Yes button. 
The ability to read heading level after name would save a whole bunch of
time.  the ability to read controls  as you can in braille feeld name classe
type class state feeld data.  Make the buttons also see that the name of the
button is not read as data but name.  this is correct verces reading it as
data.  Yes for example is not data you can't change it it is the name of the
object not its data.  
Correct the reading of tab controls. When you press the control  tab key the
name of the tab that is active should be read then the name of the object
that has focus should be read.  At the moment when using control tab you
don't know what tab you have moved to. You can see an example of this in the
sounds window in the control  panel.  An app to allow quick access to tabs.
For example if you need tab 3 you could press control  3 to access the 3rd
tab in the page tab list. 
The f8 command working in brows mode is cool but the ability to use normal
windows commands for copying text would be nice. 
Thanks for reading.  

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Andre via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 5:46 PM
To: 'Ray Campbell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Seeking Your Input

Hi Jeremy,

I echo Ray's statements below. I'll add one more web site or component and
that's instant teleseminar, and go to webinar. So much is done these days
using these tools, and it's just not accessible as far as the interaction
with the host. So we can't enter questions to ask, or interact via chat
features, or read the info the host posts such as a simple web link.

The ocr feature is definitely necessary for captcha in ie, and other
clickable images. Webvisum is only for firefox and there needs to be a
reliable ocr feature for IE and FF that's not dependent on a third party
tool. Any time our work productivity depends on a third party rather than
remaining mostly in our own control, that hampers our own work performance.

I'd like notification when a web page has been updated. So based on in page
links or some part of a form that requires user input, after that data has
been entered, I'd like verbal notification of what has changed on that web
page. Right now, it seems like we have to scroll back up the page to find
out what if anything has changed.

Thanks for listening.


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On Behalf Of Ray Campbell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:18 PM
To: 'Jeremy Curry'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Seeking Your 

RE: Seeking Your Input

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

The problem with fixing Eudora is this product is no longer even being
supported or developed  any more. If this is just a problem in this program
I don't see a whole lot of time or  being spent on the problem. resources 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bud Schwab via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:57 PM
To: Jeremy Curry; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Seeking Your Input

I agree with those who would like more stability and not losing speech and
crashing so often.
Also, a small matter that I think would only benefit  a small number of us
and that is to have Eudora read the graphics again as it used to without
having to unload and reload Eudora every time it is used.
Thanks for a great product.At 12:32 PM 5/28/2015, you wrote:
Hello Everyone,

We are constantly working behind the scenes to improve our products.  
If you could narrow down the top three requests you would have us add 
to our screen reading product, what would they be?

Thanks for the input!

Jeremy

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Ai Squared, Inc.
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RE: Seeking Your Input

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

I think this would be a good feature.  I question if it should be a part of
window-eyes it self.  An external app to solve these and another or the same
to perform ocr.  This way when the app needs updating it could be updated
from the apps page when you start the program. That is one of the wonderful
things about window-eyes apps you can add features with out having to code
it directly in to the program.  Such an app will probably need regular
updating and the window-eyes update cycle is not robust enough to acomadate
such an app.  Just like if you wanted a research tool having it as an
external app would be better.  lets take a look at how other screen readers
handel this.  Many of the updates have to do with keeping the tools working
as they should.  If this was done as an app it could be updated with out
having to update the whole program.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 12:17 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Seeking Your Input

I actually think that a built-in captcha decoder is a terrific idea. It
would really make Window-Eyes stand out from its competition.

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On 5/31/2015 3:11 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
 Given the fact that  I couldn't create an account for Google Groups 
 and that I couldn't purchase a book from O'Reilly Media about the 
 IPhone yesterday, I think improving web access should be a high 
 priority. Also I note that I haven't received any helpful hints since 
 I E-mailed the list about them yesterday. While the mouse can be moved 
 around to some degree in Internet Explorer 11, it is far from optimal.
 Every now and then, I will pull up a web page., and it will freeze 
 while loading. I can alt-Tab to other programs and back to the page 
 but Window-Eyes won't read anything. However, when I press Alt-),, the 
 web address will be read. Unlike other sites, you can't talk with 
 anyone at Google about Google Groups. It's quite a  joke when one 
 can't even create an account to get on a list that is supposed to help 
 visually-impaired people. Oh yes, there is AxisReader for reading 
 Epubs--the Iphone app. Again,I can't sign up for a Google Groups 
 acount so I can get on a mailing list to ask anyone about this. I 
 can't even read the reference manual. Sorry for the rant, but I'm just 
 frustrated. My Saturday was an utter failure. Back to my three
 priorities:  They are improved web access including improved focus and 
 use of the mouse, OCR capabilities including captcha solving, and fix 
 Read-to-End in WLM when composing or replying to a message.

 -Original Message- From: Jeremy Curry via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:32 PM
 To: t...@window-eyes.com
 Subject: Seeking Your Input

 Hello Everyone,

 We are constantly working behind the scenes to improve our products.  
 If you could narrow down the top three requests you would have us add 
 to our screen reading product, what would they be?

 Thanks for the input!

 Jeremy

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RE: Seeking Your Input

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Actually you do have block selection in programs like Microsoft word.  So
this really doesn't brake the standard.  How-ever I agree that both should
be an option.  I do like block selection when selecting a large  portion of
text.  When selecting a small portion of text though block selection just
doesn't make sense.  
Hth 


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Ray Campbell via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 10:17 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Seeking Your Input

Hi Nick:

I'm an expert user, but prefer the standard way of selecting as opposed to
the F8 method as that's how it's done in every other program outside of web
browsing programs like IE.


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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ray153056=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:13 PM
To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Seeking Your Input

Can I ask why some people prefer the original way of selecting text as
opposed to f8 (all things being equal)?

-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:48 PM
To: Keith Hinton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Seeking Your Input

What would be cool is if the user could have the choice to use the standard
text-selection method or the f8 method.  From an earlier email I read, it
sounds like the regular text-selection method *will* be back, we just don't
know when.
Sometimes it works for me, sometimes not.



On 5/28/2015 7:45 PM, Keith Hinton via Talk wrote:
 I do not want the f8 feature going away even though some users clearly 
 do in bbrowse mode. I prefer this.

 On 5/28/15, Barbara via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 My 3 choices in no specific order are:

 Be able to read CAPTCHA Verification

 More stability with Office and internet explorer.  I have had more 
 issues since version 9 of WE than I have in more than 20 years

 Most far fetched is a way for window-eyes to work with off the shelf 
 products without a tech type creating special apps or set files etc.

 Barbara


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 On Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:33 PM
 To: t...@window-eyes.com
 Subject: Seeking Your Input

 Hello Everyone,

 We are constantly working behind the scenes to improve our products.  
 If you could narrow down the top three requests you would have us add 
 to our screen reading product, what would they be?

 Thanks for the input!

 Jeremy

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RE: Problem Patterns Continued

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Wether or not the mouse voice is on I am able to read any and all context
menus with out a problem.  I still think something strange is going on with
your box.  

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[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:57 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Chris Grabowski'
Subject: RE: Problem Patterns Continued

Hi Again:
I had turned of the mouse voice setting and the phantom speech went away for
at least several days.
I did encounter problems reading some context menu items and when I turned
the mouse voice back on they read properly.
During testing I have set the mouse voice up quite a bit so I can instantly
recognize when it speaks.
Yesterday twice, out of being on the computer most of the day, I heard the
mouse voice speak what I had either tabbed to or arrowed over - I forget if
the normal voice spoke the same text after and was waiting for it to happen
again to detail the problem but it has not happened again yet.
I don't remember if I was in a context menu, on the Desktop or in Internet
Explorer but for sure the mouse is reading things behind the scenes without
any user interaction as Jim had mentioned and why I tried turning the mouse
voice off.
As I told Chris I have the track mouse with cursor csetting turned off in
the WE Control Panel dialog.
Just a heads up that WE will try to speak things without any user
interaction requesting speech via what seems to be mouse movement behind the
scenes and is required, likely, for WE to handle some things like that
situation with the Context Menu not reading all the entries unles I arrowed,
cycled through it a few times.
So, with the mouse voice on I get one set of phantom speech and perhaps
focus problems and with the mouse voice off I get a diferent set of problems
and focus problems - considering not being able to find to click on a
context menu item a focus problem which it actually may not be but then if
you cant read it you cant focus it.
I did find the missing menu items even with the mouse voice turned off, by
cycling through what sounded like a changing set of MenuItems a couple of
times and they were spoken by the correct cursor voice.
I wonder if that was due to turning the mouse voice feature back on or if it
is a timing problem with WindowEyes code base and, or, scripts.
I was in the My Computer list of available folders I think so may try to
reproduce it by turning the mouse voice on and off and trying that windows
feature to see if it is reproducable.
What a hassle, good thing WindowEyes is pretty much free.
Rick USA
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 6:27 AM
To: 'Chris Grabowski'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Problem Patterns Continued

Hi Chris: I have had it turned off in WE Control Panel all along.
I just verified it is still turned off, status off.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Chris Grabowski [mailto:cgrabow...@aisquared.com]
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 5:10 AM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Problem Patterns Continued

Rick,
Turn off track mouse with focus.

Mouse/other.

With this option enabled, your telling Window-eyes to move the mouse pointer
wherever the focus goes, it is not necessary.
Chris


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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 7:54 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Problem Patterns Continued

Hi Guys:
OK, after having turned off the mouse voice setting the phantom speech went
away.
But, now when in some lists like the This Computer list of drives and
reviewing the Context Menuu or in my own program WindowEyes will sometimes
start reading a list item then stop, speech is cut off before the end of the
list item with focus.
Also, in the list sometimes I hear 2 items read after hitting the down arrow
key instead of just one.
Also, some list items are not read at all unless I ReRead the list several
times - it seems they are there sometimes and not there other times.
So I turned the mouse voice back on.
I went into the This Computer and the Context Menu items read very well
except for a phantom word graphic reading on the first item indicating
again that the WindowEyes use of the mouse related to dynamic content is
likely causing problems.
This is not good since if I turn it off I don't get phantom speech but it
seems I have even more serious problems, sigh.
The real situation here seems to lie with the underlying mechanism
WindowEyes is using to monitor dynamic content and execute speech.
I am not sure there is anything a end user like me can do to 

RE: Ripping music CD's with windows Media Player

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

No because basicly wave format is going to be very large.  It is going to be
larger then lets say even flac.  
The only reason to rip to wave is if you intend to work with the file before
converting.  For example when ripping a audio book cd.  You might want to
rip them then merge all the cds in to one file and then you might want to
find using cue points all the chapters.  Then of course you will then want
to split the book in to files using the cue points just maid.  Finely the
split files will be converted in to what ever file format you want to use
for example 64 kbps  2250khz.  
Other wise there is not much of a point to not use mp3 or what  ever format
you like.  if you are looking for a good non locy format then flac will do
you fine.  

Hth 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Vic Pereira via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 3:54 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Roger Behm AIS'
Subject: RE: Ripping music CD's with windows Media Player

If using the highest bit rate to rip a CD, may be consider ripping to wave
format?

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RE: question

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hello,
if you could explain exactly what you were hoping to accomplish. We might be
better able to assist you. For example, if you're attempting to reinstall
factory settings you would want to go to the file menu in the window-eyes
control panel and go down to the factory sets option the shortcut for this
is F. This will allow you to reinstall any factory set files that you wish.
If on the other hand you would like to start with a completely fresh user
profile, simply delete the window-eyes folder found in your user folder,
with window-eyes not running. Of course, restart window-eyes and a new
folder will be created and the default scripts will be installed. If you're
attempting to accomplish something else. Please do let us know.
I do hope this helps!


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of michael's mail box via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:02 AM
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: question

Okay thanks Rod it sounds like it is not what i want.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 8:52 PM
To: 'net bat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: question

Hi,

Here's what the manual says about Reset:
R = Reset Settings
Choosing this option will cause Window-Eyes to revert to the settings you
previously saved to disk. This is especially useful if you make some changes
you do not like, or you inadvertently modify a setting that has negative
consequences. Note that this option will not reset Window-Eyes to factory
defaults; it only loads the settings you last saved to disk.

So, it sounds like it simply reloads the current set file.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 2:45 AM
To: christopher hallsworth; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: question

i don't know what it does. but you can open the w e control panel and use
reset in the file pull down.
and you could re install the wineyes user interface and restore the factory
global settings from the factory set file screen  and check that all the
factory set files are up to date.. trying these options may save you from
having to reinstall wineyes.

-Original Message-
From: christopher hallsworth via Talk
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 11:37 PM
To: michael's mail boxl ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: question

You can only uninstall the program, not modify or repair it.
 On 17 May 2015, at 06:19, michael's mail boxl via Talk 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 Hi guys i was wondering how to do a repair on WE.
 I was thinking about going to add and remove programs and i think it 
 comes up about removing or repair after you click on the program is that
right.
 Cheers Michael.
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RE: A weird one

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

No! No! No!
What-ever you do, do not start messing about with your permissions on your
system. They are assigned the way they are assigned for a reason. They are
put there for your security. You definitely do not want to run as an
administrator either, windows will prompt you when administrator privileges
are required and User Account Control will definitely protect you.  your
first idea is good. If it is not broken. Do not fix it
as for your second problem programs such as Internet Explorer do not have
permissions to access the desktop and therefore they cannot send shortcuts
to the desktop nor do you want them to this is to protect you against
malware and other things that could be used to access your file system
through these means. This is normal behavior and every Windows box will
exhibit the same behavior. I just tested it myself on three separate boxes
and can confirm that this is normal behavior
so this is not strange or odd behavior either. It is the way things are
supposed to be


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:01 AM
To: Rod Hutton; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: A weird one

Hello Rob, and thanks for your suggestion.

With the exception of putting a shortcut for my favorites folder on the
desktop, I did what you suggested by using the send too option for the
favorites folder entry. I do use this method quite often when wanting to
make desktop shortcuts, and would have done so in this instance immediately
if I hadn't been rather obsessed with the weirdness in the favorites menu in
IE. I just can't figure out what might be causing this behavior, and
especially its theoretical explanation Courtesy of Windows. I've never had
that happen for as long as I've been a 'puter user, and that's been a long
time.

Someone mentioned the possibility of faulty permissions, but I dunno. 
Since I am the only user of this PC, then I guess I should make all
permissions wide open, and I wouldn't have to put up with the nagging every
time I want to perform a simple function such as deleting a file, or
installing a program. OK, I know, installing apps or programs is a pretty
serious consideration, but again, it's just me after all. But even after all
these years, I'm still Leary of messing too much with permissions, as
strange as that might seem. Kind of along the lines of if it aint broke
don't fix it.

On the whole though, I think I like your suggestions for creating favorites
shortcuts rather  than using the send too option in IE's favorites menu. But
still, this function shouldn't return a response like that one. I'm still
somewhat baffled.

Anyway, I really appreciate your help.

Thanks,

Larry

On 5/16/2015 10:21 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:
 Hi Larry,

 May I suggest you go to your user folder, the icon for which is 
 probably on your desktop.
 Once this folder opens, press the letter F to highlight the Favorites 
 folder.
 Then, press the Applications key or Shift-F10, arrow down to Send to, 
 press Enter to expand this, and arrow down to Desktop (Create 
 shortcut), and press Enter again.
 Close your user folder since you're done using it.
 Now you'll have a Favorites icon on your desktop.
 Now, when you want to copy an icon to your desktop, click the 
 Favorites icon on your desktop, which will open the Favorites folder, 
 which contains all your link shortcuts.
 From here, you should be able to use normal copy and paste keystrokes 
 to
 copy any of your link shortcuts to your desktop.
 I figure you should be able to also use Send to as well to send a 
 shortcut to your desktop, but, because of the problem you've had, 
 perhaps not, but you could try it.
 Note that this method of locating link shortcuts is easier to work 
 with since you can sort them as you do any files in a typical explorer
view.

 Hth,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
 Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 9:29 PM
 To: Christopher-Mark Gilland; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: A weird one

 Well Christopher, what to do?

 On 5/16/2015 8:02 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Hmm, bad disk permissions?

 Chris.

 - Original Message - From: Larry Higgins via Talk
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 6:23 AM
 Subject: A weird one


 Hello again listers,

 This one is just too strange. When I go to send a shortcut to the 
 desktop, from my favorites list in IE I get a dialog box with the 
 following message Windows could not create the shortcut. Check to 
 see if the disk is full. This is next to impossible to understand, 
 especially with a 1tb drive with somewhere around 900gb available 
 for populating. Lots of real estate. So, what could be happening here?

 I just tried copying a 230mb 

RE: A weird one

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

If I want to manage my favorites. I simply opened up my user folder go down
to my favorites folder and deal with my favorites as I would any other
folder. This is the most efficient method in my opinion of dealing with
them. I have keyboard commands I can organize my folders as I wish I can
make shortcuts and I can even assign hotkeys. I never do, but you can if you
want
Hope this helps.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:32 AM
To: 'Larry Higgins'
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: A weird one

Hi Larry,

Actually, it's Rod, like a fishing rod. Smile You know, I just got the same
message as you did when I tried it.
I think this means it's not the recommended way of doing it as far as
Windows is concerned.
To be honest, I don't use this method of copying and icon to the desktop if
I'm working with the Favorites menu.
What I would do is choose the Copy option from the context menu rather than
Send to, and then paste it onto the desktop.
If I try this, it works every time.

Hth,

Rod
.

-Original Message-
From: Larry Higgins [mailto:larryhiggin...@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 7:01 AM
To: Rod Hutton; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: A weird one

Hello Rob, and thanks for your suggestion.

With the exception of putting a shortcut for my favorites folder on the
desktop, I did what you suggested by using the send too option for the
favorites folder entry. I do use this method quite often when wanting to
make desktop shortcuts, and would have done so in this instance immediately
if I hadn't been rather obsessed with the weirdness in the favorites menu in
IE. I just can't figure out what might be causing this behavior, and
especially its theoretical explanation Courtesy of Windows. I've never had
that happen for as long as I've been a 'puter user, and that's been a long
time.

Someone mentioned the possibility of faulty permissions, but I dunno. 
Since I am the only user of this PC, then I guess I should make all
permissions wide open, and I wouldn't have to put up with the nagging every
time I want to perform a simple function such as deleting a file, or
installing a program. OK, I know, installing apps or programs is a pretty
serious consideration, but again, it's just me after all. But even after all
these years, I'm still Leary of messing too much with permissions, as
strange as that might seem. Kind of along the lines of if it aint broke
don't fix it.

On the whole though, I think I like your suggestions for creating favorites
shortcuts rather  than using the send too option in IE's favorites menu. But
still, this function shouldn't return a response like that one. I'm still
somewhat baffled.

Anyway, I really appreciate your help.

Thanks,

Larry

On 5/16/2015 10:21 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:
 Hi Larry,

 May I suggest you go to your user folder, the icon for which is 
 probably
on
 your desktop.
 Once this folder opens, press the letter F to highlight the Favorites 
 folder.
 Then, press the Applications key or Shift-F10, arrow down to Send to,
press
 Enter to expand this, and arrow down to Desktop (Create shortcut), and
press
 Enter again.
 Close your user folder since you're done using it.
 Now you'll have a Favorites icon on your desktop.
 Now, when you want to copy an icon to your desktop, click the 
 Favorites
icon
 on your desktop, which will open the Favorites folder, which contains 
 all your link shortcuts.
 From here, you should be able to use normal copy and paste keystrokes 
 to
 copy any of your link shortcuts to your desktop.
 I figure you should be able to also use Send to as well to send a 
 shortcut to your desktop, but, because of the problem you've had, 
 perhaps not, but you could try it.
 Note that this method of locating link shortcuts is easier to work 
 with since you can sort them as you do any files in a typical explorer
view.

 Hth,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf
 Of Larry Higgins via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 9:29 PM
 To: Christopher-Mark Gilland; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: A weird one

 Well Christopher, what to do?

 On 5/16/2015 8:02 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Hmm, bad disk permissions?

 Chris.

 - Original Message - From: Larry Higgins via Talk
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 6:23 AM
 Subject: A weird one


 Hello again listers,

 This one is just too strange. When I go to send a shortcut to the 
 desktop, from my favorites list in IE I get a dialog box with the 
 following message Windows could not create the shortcut. Check to 
 see if the disk is full. This is next to impossible to understand, 
 especially with a 1tb drive with somewhere around 900gb available 
 for populating. Lots of 

RE: Phantom Items Being Read

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Ok cool what type of mouse do you have on this box?  
Thanks.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 5:34 AM
To: 'Rod Hutton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Phantom Items Being Read

Hi Guys: After I have turned off the Mouse Voice setting and the Track Mouse
With Cursor setting I have not had any phantom reading so far.
I have not turned off the Automatically  Read baloon Tips yet but may do
that later as Rod mentioned.
I did route the mouse to the Desktop so it would duplicate one of the prior
tests that was reading what was under the mouse and that is seemingly no
longer causing a phantom reading of what is under the mouse while the NumPad
read mouse keys still work properly as I think Jim had noted.
This has been an intermittant problem so I cant say this fixed the problem
for sure but the past 2 days have been phantom reading free so far.
If it comes back I will try turning reading of baloon tips if it is even on
- think I may have turned it of some time ago, but so far so good.
When I feel comfortable I will switch to Windows 10 and start all over but
document what I can this time in case others have problems I will run up
against.
Rick USA
-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton [mailto:rod_hut...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:53 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Phantom Items Being Read

Hi Rick,

One thing you could disable is an option in the Windows Enhanced app, under
Toasts and Balloon tips, it may help to disable the first option,
Automatically route mouse to toasts and balloon tips.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Phantom Items Being Read

Hi: I changed the subject to narrow this particular problem discussion.
OK:
Thinking on this I thought I would first try and figure out where phantom
reading might occur and why.
First phantom speech could be coming from WE reading something under the
Mouse Cursor as Chip mentioned but why would WE read something under the
Mouse Cursor if I do not press the mouse, numpad, keys to read anything and,
in fact have pressed some standard key on the keyboard?
Chip mentioned that WE will try and read, think it was, tool tips
automatically which means WE is watching for things to automatically happen
on the screen and read something based on screen activity rather than just
the press of a keyboard key.
Now, I have unchecked the relevant option in the WE Control Panel to disable
this from happening but it still happens, errant reading of items from
someplace on the screen outside of where focus is suppose to be.
It happens in both Internet Explorer and in a standard Desktop Application
so not related to Internet Explorer.
So, outside of reading Tool Tips automatically, what else is suppose to be
read automatically by WindowEyes without being a response to a keyboard
action or what may be read under the Mouse or the WE Cursor automatically in
response to a non mouse or WE Cursor keyboard event being requested by
pressing a Numpad key (mouse cursor or WE Cursor keys)?
Knowing just a little about WE Scripting WE has to be executing a speek
command at the wrong time to actually speak the phantom item.
Could it be WE trying to read something under the Mouse Cursor or WE Cursor
or could it be some buffering problem and is there a test I can do to figure
out which, or neither, of these may be behind the problem?
Rick USA


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RE: Yet another Wierd one

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

This is not strange at all.  Remember the window-eyes programs starts twice.
Once at the log on screen.  On the log on screen the settings that are used
are the settings  contained in program data.  These settings are never
changed generaly and will use the default sinthasizer.  Usually  dectalk
access 32.  It seems that the default dectalk may not be on this system.  If
that is the case it will go for the next possible  device witch in this case
is Microsoft speech.  This is ok everything is working as it should. 
Hth 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:06 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Yet another Wierd one

Does anybody else experience this one? Whenever I shut down my computer, 
WE makes what I believe to be the startup sound, the harp sound 
ascending, then the microsoft female voice comes up and it sounds like 
she thinks WE is starting up, then of course the computer proceeds to 
shut down like it should.

My chosen Synth is Eloquence, and that goes away when shutting down 
altogether, but that sexy voice speaks to me on the way out.

Any ideas about stopping this behavior?
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RE: Phantom Items Being Read

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

What kind of mouse pad do you have on that box?  Have you checked to make
sure that  track mouse with focus is turned off?  Does your mouse have any
software that uses intelasense?  It could be that the intelasense or what
ever they are calling it these days is  causing the mouse to move around the
screen trying to focus the mouse on object the driver thinks you would have
interest in. it has been years sense I ran in to that little problem, but I
would think even to day that it would cause the same kind of issues. 
What other programs do you have loaded at start up?  Some times tsr programs
can cause windows to pop up at times that will cause window-eyes to read
things that as far as you can tell are not there.  For example the getright
download manager will pop up a window called getright moniter.  At times
when you are done with a task and think you should go to the desktop this
invisible   window has activation  and focus.  Another example is the hp
support tool.  It pop ups and because it doesn't work with UIA it crashes.
It might be time to give that system a refresh and start from scratch. It
can be done with speech and you will just need to reinstall  your desktop
software again.  
I of course am just guessing here.  I can not reproduce your problem on
windows 8.1 try as I might.  Window-eyes and windows 8.1 are working like a
dream over here.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 12:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Phantom Items Being Read

Hi: I changed the subject to narrow this particular problem discussion.
OK:
Thinking on this I thought I would first try and figure out where phantom
reading might occur and why.
First phantom speech could be coming from WE reading something under the
Mouse Cursor as Chip mentioned but why would WE read something under the
Mouse Cursor if I do not press the mouse, numpad, keys to read anything and,
in fact have pressed some standard key on the keyboard?
Chip mentioned that WE will try and read, think it was, tool tips
automatically which means WE is watching for things to automatically happen
on the screen and read something based on screen activity rather than just
the press of a keyboard key.
Now, I have unchecked the relevant option in the WE Control Panel to disable
this from happening but it still happens, errant reading of items from
someplace on the screen outside of where focus is suppose to be.
It happens in both Internet Explorer and in a standard Desktop Application
so not related to Internet Explorer.
So, outside of reading Tool Tips automatically, what else is suppose to be
read automatically by WindowEyes without being a response to a keyboard
action or what may be read under the Mouse or the WE Cursor automatically in
response to a non mouse or WE Cursor keyboard event being requested by
pressing a Numpad key (mouse cursor or WE Cursor keys)?
Knowing just a little about WE Scripting WE has to be executing a speek
command at the wrong time to actually speak the phantom item.
Could it be WE trying to read something under the Mouse Cursor or WE Cursor
or could it be some buffering problem and is there a test I can do to figure
out which, or neither, of these may be behind the problem?
Rick USA


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RE: WE Problem Analysis

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

What apps do you have running.  I don't see any of these problems on my
windows 8.1 computers. 


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 2:47 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WE Problem Analysis

Hi WE Users:
After using WE for some time now with MS Windows 8.1 I have noticed a
pattern to some problems.
In my in-house Microsoft Visual Studio Developed project WE has trouble
holding or finding focus on a Master Detail form with a MenuBar.
When I open the menu bar and right arrow WE might read File View File View
File View Edit File View file view edit sorts etc...
When I try to down arrow through the Menu Items in one of the menus we may
start reading the first few menu items then lock up until I tab or alt tab
to change focus to another control and back again.
Sometimes reading through the ListBox using the arrow keys WE just locks up.
Sometimes I might hear the word graphic spoken before it locks up, most
times not.
Always, when it works, When I LogOn to my computer after letting it go into
sleep mode WE stutters on the Password like Sta star sta star sta star sta
star etc as I type each letter.
Also, after logging on this way my Outlook messages wont read and the last
time even Internet Explorer wouldnt read, just ping ping trying to read
using the arrow keys in both cases - web problem for WE?
Sometimes I hear things spoken that are not in a focused object I am trying
to either alt-tab to or otherwise navigate to.
Now, all this speaks of WE trying to read more than it should, perhaps
reading the entire dom for each keypress?
I dont know but this seems to be hinting at some type of problem related to
WE trying to find the correct item to hold focus and thus speak.
None of these problems are exhibited by JAWS - I have tested them out with
the alternate reader to ensure it was  not a Microsoft problem.
Note that my past experience, postings, on Visual Studio problems fall into
this focus problem category as well and that the Visual Studio problems are
also not present in JAWS or, for that matter, in a couple of other screen
readers I usually have to fall back on.
So, these problems may be a result of trying to read the entire dom or WE
getting lost in the middle of trying to position itself and allowing focus
to get mixed up during this process somehow.
While this all is indeed problematic the reason for this posting is to help
identify, perhaps, the source(s) of the many problems WindowEyes is having
lately so dont take it personally guys but see if you can add to the
analysis.
I will post to the GW Scripting List since some of those folks are quite
good when it comes to how WE does things.
Rick USA

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RE: the chat feature in SocialEyes

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

I am not a user of this particular client. It is my understanding, that all
third-party Facebook clients no longer support Checked. This is according to
the Skype garage blog.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of talmadge wells via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 7:39 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: the chat feature in SocialEyes

I like this client very much.  It has more features than I had before.
However, the chat feature isn't connecting.  Is anyone else experiencing
this?

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RE: Trouble with MLB.com

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Yes I did, as soon as I detected the problem. I generally listen to most of
my games archived. I also have send feedback about the fast-forward and
rewind problems several times for several years with no results. As I said
previously, it is not a major problem for me, because I generally download
the archives, and listen to them with my favorite media player. actually for
these files,I tend to use gold wave.
a note about using replay media capture with the standard media Center site.
The replay media capture program will download from this site. However, it
takes a considerable amount of time for it to do so. You will also find
naming the files with the appropriate names a little problematic.   with the
accessible site, you can simply go to the now listening section and copy the
information under that
Hope this helps.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Barbara Sheinbein via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 5:46 AM
To: 'Jesse'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Trouble with MLB.com

I am not aware of a way to use the rewind or fast forward in an archive
game.  I have complained a few times without a change.  Maybe more such
feedback will c help.  Smile.  I had noticed the archive problem last week
as well and called on it to MLB.  So I am glad there was at least one other
fan who had done this as well.

Barbara
Go Cards!



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jesse via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 6:57 AM
To: Jim Grimsby JR.; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Trouble with MLB.com

Its funny, I thought it was just me when the links were dead once they
became archives.  Either way, the accessible site or the main media center
are both quite usable with one big minus on the accessible site.  
In an archive game, unlike the regular mediacenter, you can't rewind or
fastforward: if so, its a visual slider wherein with the main mediacenter,
there are links to fastforward, rewind, etc.  In the accessible site, simply
pause, increase or decrease volume, that's it.
Jesse

On 5/6/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk wrote:
 Hello,
 I have been a subscriber of game day audio since 2009. As far as 
 accessibility goes, I have never had any difficulty

 there was a problem last week, we're games were not being shown as 
 links when they turned into archives. This was only on the accessible 
 site. I used the standard media Center site,  quite frankly, the 
 information was shown by window-eyes quite oddly.  I reported the 
 problem with the archives to major league baseball and it has now been 
 corrected, so I am back to using the accessible site. I do think 
 however, that the window-eyes team should have a look at this website.
 http://mlb.mlb.com/mediacenter/index.jsp?c_id=mlb

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
 Behalf Of John Daniel via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 7:59 PM
 To: 'Robert Ringwald'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: Trouble with MLB.com

 I signed up and pay the 19 95 before the start and I have no trouble 
 with m l b john

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+jedaniel=sonic@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
 Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 4:56 PM
 To: Talk
 Subject: Trouble with MLB.com

 For the past 5 or 6 years I have been able to access all of the games 
 on MLB.com

 Now, for some reason I cannot find the place  to log in.


 Anyone having the same problem?

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 916/ 806-9551
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RE: signing up for MLB audio

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Actually you can sign up for game day audio or at bat for 19.95 for the
whole season.  That is a grait deal.  Not only that, but you will get at bat
premium  on your smart devices as well.  
Just sign up with your mlb account.  
Hth 


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:40 AM
To: Butch K; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: signing up for MLB audio

That is part of the mlb tv package, and is 24.95 per month. Personally just
for audio, I find it a bit steep.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch K via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:35 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: signing up for MLB audio

Hello, After reading the posts about MLB broadcasts, it sounds like MLB and 
speech are  working well enough together. So, I visited mlb.com and saw how 
to sign up for MLB TV, but can someone tell me how to sign up for the audio 
broadcast of games. That part I couldn't find. Thanks for any help you can 
give.

Butch

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RE: signing up for MLB audio

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/subscriptions/index.jsp?content=gameday_audio

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:35 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: signing up for MLB audio

Hello, After reading the posts about MLB broadcasts, it sounds like MLB and
speech are  working well enough together. So, I visited mlb.com and saw how
to sign up for MLB TV, but can someone tell me how to sign up for the audio
broadcast of games. That part I couldn't find. Thanks for any help you can
give.

Butch

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RE: Breaking! Microsoft brings Android, iOS apps to Windows 10

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

All windows apps will be compatible  with windows 10 pro. Windows mobile
will only run universal  apps witch these apps will be. So in other words if
you have 
A pc you will be able to run all the desktop apps you do now and the new
universal  apps and as I said this is a bridge for universal  apps. 
Hth 

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:18 AM
To: Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Breaking! Microsoft brings Android, iOS apps to Windows 10

I'm certainly no expert on this, but being a programmer, it sounds to me
like the only difference is that now app developers will be able to develop
apps from Windows which will run on Windows phone and iOS and other mobile
devices. I doubt it has anything to do with it being compatible with, say
Windows 8 or 10. Maybe I'm wrong though.

On 4/30/2015 8:26 AM, Robin via Talk wrote:
 I presume if Microsoft's Strategy of persuading iOS AppDevelopers as 
 well as Android AppDevelopers to port their MobileApps over to
 Windows10 in the form of Microsoft's Universal Apps, neither Apple's 
 VoiceOver nor Google-Android's TalkBack will be part of the package. I 
 beleive the only option is Microsoft's Narrator. I'm hoping there are 
 enough people in the community to offer insight on how to modify/alter 
 these Apps so they are indeed accessible using Narrator. I know there 
 are a few people, who are employed by Microsoft, who are either 
 totally blind and/or LowVision, but I also believe there are either 
 totally blind and/or LowVision people, who are already employed within 
 Google, and that hasn't actually translated into a more accessible
 MobileOS to navigate with its TalkBack (i.e., Google-Android TalkBack)

 I don't think AI Squared's WindowEYES is a viable option in 
 Microsoft's MobileSpace as I haven't heard of any WindowEYES Gestures 
 to efficiently navigate  aTouchScreen interface and/or MobileOS

 I'm glad that Microsoft may have discovered/uncovered a way to Close 
 the Gap in terms of available apps IN its AppStore

 I'll definitely Send them FeedBack when My Microsoft
 LumiaIcon-Lumia929 receives its Windows10 update as it pertains to 
 accessible Apps as well to the AppDevelopers, who some may be open if 
 they altered/modified them previously on other MobileOS (Apple's iOS  
 Google's Android)

 At 03:57 AM 4/30/2015, you wrote:
 I am very skeptical about some of the Windows 10 speculation that has 
 gone around in recent months. Will Window-Eyes run on Windows 10 
 phones? Not unless it is recompiled and probably rewritten (again).
 Android apps are written in a language similar to Java for 
 touch-screen devices. They may work visually for people running their 
 Windows 10 devices in touch-screen mode, but will that translate at 
 all into something that is keyboard-accessible? One of my sayings is 
 that accessibility doesn't fall out of the trees. Even if 
 well-meaning people have written a framework that enables some kind 
 of nonvisual accessibility, a lot of work will need to be done to 
 make that framework sing and enable us to compute as efficiently as 
 our sighted neighbors. There will be change, and in 10 years it will 
 surprise us all. Just don't expect it to arrive suddenly, all ready 
 to use.



 Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
 http://lras.home.sprynet.com
 -Original Message- From: Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:01 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: FW: Breaking! Microsoft brings Android, iOS apps to Windows 
 10

 Hi,

 What will this mean for screen reader users?  Will we be able to use 
 window-eyes  with these apps on windows 10?

 This is exciting news for windows user who are blind if in fact these 
 apps will be supported with our screen reader on windows 10.

 Thanks.





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 To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
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 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/04/29/microsoft-br
 ings-android-ios-apps-to-windows-10/


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RE: gw social eyes?

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Not a problem my friend,  it happens to all of us from time to time.  what I
really like though is you were a man about it.  You were wrong and you stood
up and said oops I was wrong.  That is the way to be if you ask me. 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of brendoncdono...@icloud.com via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:35 AM
To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: gw social eyes?

Hi all, my apologies! The Facebook code issue has been resolved. From a last
minute post from AISquared!  The program will continue to function, but for
how long, we don't know! Further updates will be posted. Sorry for the
inconvenience.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 1 May 2015, at 4:16 am, brendoncdono...@icloud.com via Talk
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

Hi, this program has been discontinued.thank you.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 1 May 2015, at 4:01 am, Darrell Bowles via Talk
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

Hello, Whare can I get an authorization, and the d download for GW social
eyes?
THanks,
Darrell
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RE: Breaking! Microsoft brings Android, iOS apps to Windows 10

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Actually according to what I was told is that if Microsoft expozes the
wigits or objects if you like that term better to UIA this new system could
be quite accessible with a screen reader such as narrator or window-eyes.
This framework  is not just going in to windows mobile but will also be
going in to windows pro as well.  After all, all aps that will run on
windows mobile will run on windows 10 pro. This means like I said if the
wigits were exposed to UIA no modification's  to the apps themselves  would
be needed.  Of course they would need to make sure that the app worked with
voice over or talk back in order to be accessible. 
This is according to what another screen reader maker told me.  This is not
speculation on my part. 
Was playing with narrator for windows 8.1 on my pc not to long ago and it is
about what you would exspect from lets say voice over.  A little to chatty
from the keyboard, but I could see myself working with it on a phone device.

Hth 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Robin via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 5:26 AM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Breaking! Microsoft brings Android, iOS apps to Windows 10

I presume if Microsoft's Strategy of persuading iOS AppDevelopers as well as
Android AppDevelopers to port their MobileApps over to
Windows10 in the form of Microsoft's Universal Apps, neither Apple's
VoiceOver nor Google-Android's TalkBack will be part of the package. 
I beleive the only option is Microsoft's Narrator. I'm hoping there are
enough people in the community to offer insight on how to modify/alter these
Apps so they are indeed accessible using Narrator. 
I know there are a few people, who are employed by Microsoft, who are either
totally blind and/or LowVision, but I also believe there are either totally
blind and/or LowVision people, who are already employed within Google, and
that hasn't actually translated into a more accessible MobileOS to
navigate with its TalkBack (i.e., Google-Android TalkBack)

I don't think AI Squared's WindowEYES is a viable option in Microsoft's
MobileSpace as I haven't heard of any WindowEYES Gestures to efficiently
navigate  aTouchScreen interface and/or MobileOS

I'm glad that Microsoft may have discovered/uncovered a way to Close the Gap
in terms of available apps IN its AppStore

I'll definitely Send them FeedBack when My Microsoft
LumiaIcon-Lumia929 receives its Windows10 update as it pertains to
accessible Apps as well to the AppDevelopers, who some may be open if they
altered/modified them previously on other MobileOS (Apple's iOS  Google's
Android)

At 03:57 AM 4/30/2015, you wrote:
I am very skeptical about some of the Windows 10 speculation that has 
gone around in recent months. Will Window-Eyes run on Windows 10 
phones? Not unless it is recompiled and probably rewritten (again).
Android apps are written in a language similar to Java for touch-screen 
devices. They may work visually for people running their Windows 10 
devices in touch-screen mode, but will that translate at all into 
something that is keyboard-accessible? One of my sayings is that 
accessibility doesn't fall out of the trees. Even if well-meaning 
people have written a framework that enables some kind of nonvisual 
accessibility, a lot of work will need to be done to make that 
framework sing and enable us to compute as efficiently as our sighted 
neighbors. There will be change, and in 10 years it will surprise us 
all. Just don't expect it to arrive suddenly, all ready to use.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:01 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: FW: Breaking! Microsoft brings Android, iOS apps to Windows 10

Hi,

What will this mean for screen reader users?  Will we be able to use 
window-eyes  with these apps on windows 10?

This is exciting news for windows user who are blind if in fact these 
apps will be supported with our screen reader on windows 10.

Thanks.





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To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
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http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/04/29/microsoft-brin
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FW: Breaking! Microsoft brings Android, iOS apps to Windows 10

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hi,

What will this mean for screen reader users?  Will we be able to use 
window-eyes  with these apps on windows 10?

This is exciting news for windows user who are blind if in fact these apps will 
be supported with our screen reader on windows 10. 

Thanks. 

 

 

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RE: Breaking! Microsoft brings Android, iOS apps to Windows 10

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

I usualy don't reply to my own messages, but I wonder if this also means we
will be able to run those wonderful android wigits on windows?  If so will
they also work with our screen readers? 
I am so excited.  Can't wait for windows 10 with these new features.  If it
these things can be maid to work on windows, and our screen reader.  Bard on
windows be my eyes for those who use that on windows.  Lerie on windows.
Good buy IOS android and hellow windows for everything.  This is what the
blind windows fan boy wants. 
Hth 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 5:01 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: FW: Breaking! Microsoft brings Android, iOS apps to Windows 10

Hi,

What will this mean for screen reader users?  Will we be able to use
window-eyes  with these apps on windows 10?

This is exciting news for windows user who are blind if in fact these apps
will be supported with our screen reader on windows 10. 

Thanks. 

 

 

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http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/04/29/microsoft-brings-an
droid-ios-apps-to-windows-10/

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RE: Screen Reader compatible Keyboards. Was: Re: speaking of Dell computers...

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

No actually  the num-pad five sends a completely different  code then number
5 on the intermedia  pad.  This is how programs like winamp know if you have
issued a number 5 on the num-pad or not.  That being said keyboard codes are
keyboard codes and they don't change from device to device.  They don't even
change from operating system to operating system.  Wether or not the
operating system supports the codes is the question.  For example IOS does
not support the codes from the numpad and so they are completely ignored.
There is no need for any list or anything like that. If you are missing keys
redefining another key that you are not using is quite simple and a good
salution to the problem.  Another salution to the problem in the case of the
num-lock is a utility that will turn it on or off.  This utility could be
placed in the startup section of your operating system and would set the
state of num-lock.  This quite frankly is much to do about nothing. It has
been a problem that has been with us for years as I have already outlined
and the work arounds for it are well know and understood. 
Hth 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:43 AM
To: 'David'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Screen Reader compatible Keyboards. Was: Re: speaking of Dell
computers...

Hi David and everyone,

While I certainly appreciate reading this thread, and clearly there is a lot
of energy on this matter of keyboards and their use with screen readers, I
would like to say that there is no need for any serious concern about losing
the functionality of the Numpad and therefore the functionality of
Window-Eyes.
This is because any function currently assigned to the Numpad keys can be
assigned to other key combinations in the WE control panel.
Also, regarding keyboards which happen to include a Numpad and yet do not
include a NumLock key, I would guess that if the manufacturer was simply
providing the Numpad to make numeric input easier, that manufacturer
probably didn't make those keys unique in the codes they pass on to Windows
when pressed.
In other words, taking the number 5 on the Numpad as an example, my guess is
that it would send the same key code to Windows as woudd be sent to Windows
by pressing the number 5 on the Qwerty area of the keyboard; therefore,
there would be no uniqueness about the Numpad numbers, and also there would
be no alternate functions on the Numpad number keys, that is, that
uniqueness we're used to when we turn NumLock off.
In short, we will need to get used to the idea that we are going to have to
use whatever keys are available to get our screen reader tasks completed,
and perhaps we'll have to use more key combinations like Control-Shift-T,
which we're all used to anyway.
In truth, as long as we have keyboards which work at all, we'll be able to
control Window-Eyes. Smile

All the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
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Of David via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 1:26 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Stephen Clark'
Subject: Screen Reader compatible Keyboards. Was: Re: speaking of Dell
computers...

Rick and the rest,
This discussion, altogether reminds me the one that every now and than, has
popped up around USB NumPads.

Rick, how much we would love a list provided, for all keyboards on the
market, and their compatibility, it will never work. I am going to deal with
but a couple of reasons, some of them likely brand new to some of you.

First of all, it is true, some keyboards need hardware specific drivers. 
Even Microsoft has a line of keyboards, which will need drivers,
particularly designed for the keyboard to work fully. In some cases, the
driver has a menu, or some sort of a control panel, to setup the exact
behavior. For instance, my one Microsoft keyboard here, comes with a set of
Quick keys, for launching your favorite net browser, your standard Email
client, your desirable music player and so forth. Trouble is, the control
panel provided by the driver, simply is useless with a screen reader, due to
a totally graphical interface. Another Microsoft keyboard I have, is somehow
doable to program, since the control panel for setting it up, is partially
labelled with text on the screen.In both cases, should you decide you don't
want to change the quick keys and their standard (default)  behavior, you
can run both these keyboards as plug-and-play. Plug them in, and enjoy the
standard features, including an app-key, a numlock key, and standard
behavior of the numeric keypad.

My one Logitech keyboard, does not have a right-hand windows key, but does
have an application key. My one Dell laptop has no app-key, no right windows
key, but has an FN-key. The wireless keyboard I am on at this instance, has
an app-key, a numlock-key, but has no Ctrl-key on 

RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Thanks I will take a look at this.  
Note even though windows 8 is not  directly spoken of here it should work
because the registry  system for the keyboard has not changed.
Thanks again I will check this out. 


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 4:54 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Check SharpKeys at
http://www.randyrants.com/category/sharpkeys/

There are decent directions on the site which should let you know if it will
do what you need. Use it carefully.

I have remapped the CapsLock key to function as a Control key, the
LeftControl to serve as an Alt key and the LeftAlt to serve as the CapsLock.
This makes it easier to use the frequent Control-Arrow(s) key combination
for cursor movement by word, etc.

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Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 1:06 AM
To: 'Jim Grimsby JR.'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Hi,

By any chance, do you have an audio tutorial of this autohotkey software?
Because one script that I really need is to configure the right alt+gr key
as regular right alt key that works exactly similar to the left alt key.

I know that you can do something like this by mess up with the registry, but
I do not like to dig into that sensitive registry.

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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 26 April 2015 17:55
To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Hi rick,
I think the person you are looking for was me.  I explained how some apps
could change the function of   the keyboard and in some cases add
functionality to it.  My personal favorite  it AutoHotKey.  There are others
of course, but this one just happens to be my personal favorite.  Not only
do I use it to remap keys at times but I also use  it to launch my favorite
programs with a quick press of a hot key.  For example windows+alt+w
launches window-eyes windows+alt+n starts NVDA windows+shift+w start winamp
and so on.  It makes my life a lot faster.  Another nice thing is once you
got it setup the way you want you can simply compile the script and send it
along to your friends.  They don't even need to have AutoHotKey installed.  
Hth
Note if you are looking for something simpler then a little scripting
program that will do everything you want let me know and I will see what I
can dig up.  I did use another program for this function years ago. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:58 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Hi: I remember a posting about a program that let one change the function of
keys on a keyboard but couldn't find it in my list of deleted items folder
in outlook under what I thought the subject line was.
If you posted the message, or remember the name of the program that allows
for changing keyboard functions for individual keystrokes could you post it
up again?
I did look at many, many messages in my outlook folder but just cant find
that message.
Rick USA

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RE: AMD chips and Window eyes?

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

yes I am using a a10 with no problems, that I can lay at the dor of the
chip.  I have been using these chips for years and they work just fine. 
Hth 

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Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:40 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: AMD chips and Window eyes?

Hello,

As I am looking for another System, I thought I would ask the List, if any
here use a computer than has an AMD Chip, and if so, do you suffer any
strange behaviour because of it?  How does Window eyes work with the AMD
Chips.

Thanks,

Dave

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RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hi rick,
I think the person you are looking for was me.  I explained how some apps
could change the function of   the keyboard and in some cases add
functionality to it.  My personal favorite  it AutoHotKey.  There are others
of course, but this one just happens to be my personal favorite.  Not only
do I use it to remap keys at times but I also use  it to launch my favorite
programs with a quick press of a hot key.  For example windows+alt+w
launches window-eyes windows+alt+n starts NVDA windows+shift+w start winamp
and so on.  It makes my life a lot faster.  Another nice thing is once you
got it setup the way you want you can simply compile the script and send it
along to your friends.  They don't even need to have AutoHotKey installed.  
Hth 
Note if you are looking for something simpler then a little scripting
program that will do everything you want let me know and I will see what I
can dig up.  I did use another program for this function years ago. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:58 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Hi: I remember a posting about a program that let one change the function of
keys on a keyboard but couldn't find it in my list of deleted items folder
in outlook under what I thought the subject line was.
If you posted the message, or remember the name of the program that allows
for changing keyboard functions for individual keystrokes could you post it
up again?
I did look at many, many messages in my outlook folder but just cant find
that message.
Rick USA

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RE: Office 2013 ribbon tutorial

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well I love the ribbon idea.  My problem is I can never seem to remember
where to find stuff.  I mean if the names of the options in the ribbon maid
more sense then I would love it.  This is why I use classic  menu.  Not
because I think the ribbon is bad I just can never remember where stuff is.
I am only 37 I hate to think I am getting set in my ways.  
 

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:54 PM
To: 'Neville'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Office 2013 ribbon tutorial

Hi Neville,

Good luck, down under, and don't get tangled in the ribbon. Big grin

All the best,

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 9:32 PM
To: Window Eyes
Subject: Office 2013 ribbon tutorial

Hi,
Thanks to all those who answered my enquiry on how to navigate the Office
2013 ribbon.

Before purchasing the programme, I shall use the info provided and practice
on the W7 Wordpad  ribbon.  No doubt the menu items will be a little
different but the concepts should be similar.

Cheers
Neville.
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RE: Office 2013 ribbon tutorial

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Note I want to take the time here to bring up a useful tool.  If you are use
to office 2003 or earlier or if you would just rather use a menu system
check out a plug in for office called classic  menu for office. You can just
press alt+q twice and get a full menu system.  The only difference is the
whole menu system is a vertical menu no horizontal menus. 
Hth 


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[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:32 PM
To: Window Eyes
Subject: Office 2013 ribbon tutorial

Hi,
Thanks to all those who answered my enquiry on how to navigate the Office
2013 ribbon.

Before purchasing the programme, I shall use the info provided and practice
on the W7 Wordpad  ribbon.  No doubt the menu items will be a little
different but the concepts should be similar.

Cheers
Neville.
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RE: speaking of Dell computers...

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hi,
When buying a keyboard this is something you have had to check for years.
Does it use a function key. That changes the function of the function keys
to media commands or to launch other programs.  The location of the arrow
keys no there is no standard for this.  Does the keyboard use intellasense
drivers that can perform things like auto correction and short cuts.  These
can quite often cause issues for screen reader.  Of course the subject at
hand does it have a numlock aplacations key etc.  this is nothing new we
have had to check these things for years.  Not sure why all the fuss now
because nothing has really changed here. 
Hth 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:38 AM
To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speaking of Dell computers...

That's very true.  It makes another thing that we have to add to the list of
what we check when we buy a computer: whether the keyboard has the right
keys, all of them!  Also, where they are on the keyboard!  Ugh!  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:31 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speaking of Dell computers...

Seems like everything is getting smaller, shorter, Thinner, and often
missing something, that once was part of the item.  In this case, someone
has decided to lower the cost of manufacturing, by removing a Key or two, or
three.

This time it is the Num Lock key, and it is probably true, that few ever use
it.

Just proving, you can't really assume much of anything these days.


After a while, a person just gets tired of always having to double and
triple check everything.

At 06:12 PM 4/23/2015, you wrote:
demand that dell send you a keyboard that has a num 
lock  first before you go out and buy another keyboard.
give it a try.
don't lay down to the demands of dell stupitity.

-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: speaking of Dell computers...

My brother got a new computer with a keyboard that has a number pad.  
At the place where the numlock key should be, his keyboard has a delete 
key and he only has numeric function of the keypad, Does anyone on this 
list have any ideas as to whether there is a numlock key somewhere?  
Will his only option for using mouse keys be to use the laptop layout?  
Thank you.  I am sorry, but this is the only information I have about 
his system except that it is running Windows 7.

Carol


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RE: speaking of Dell computers...

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well I started in windows 95 with a 101 keyboard.  It did not have a windows
key or an application's key.  in fact it was a upgrade  from windows 3.1.
when I finely got a 104 keyboard you can believe I used all the new keys
right away. 
One key to perform a task verces two.  And two in a rather odd finguring
location.  As I said before if you are missing key you can always remap
other key to perform task. AutoHotKey is a very useful utility.  You can use
it to remap keys. You can also use it to allow you to make short cuts to
start programs.  For example alt+windows+w starts window-eyes on my system.
I have a lot of quick short cuts.  The cool thing is also you can make your
short cut script in to an exe file and take it with you to what ever
computer you are working with.it is also free so no need to spend any money
on a keyboard.  
Hth 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 11:46 AM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speaking of Dell computers...

I guess that's what makes the world turn around, as my husband used to say: 
difference.  I have never used the shift f10 for an applications key,
because all computers where I would have needed an applications key on the
keyboard, had them.  I guess since you learned shift f10 first, that made
the applications key harder to remember.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 1:16 PM
To: Les Kriegler ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speaking of Dell computers...

i can do without the application key but not the numlock key . i never use
it because shift f10 is so much easier to find and use. i kept pressing the
wrong key when trying to find that application key i went back to the shift
f10 i have used for the last 30 years.

-Original Message-
From: Les Kriegler via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 8:07 AM
To: 'Chris Grabowski' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

Hi Chris,

I use the Logitech Bluetooth k810 and really love the keyboard.  However, it
doesn't have an applications key.

Les

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kriegler=nycap.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:43 AM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

I find newer Logitech keyboards do not have an applications key.
The last couple of Microsoft keyboards I purchased have both a numlock and
an applications key.
Can't speak on any other brand keyboards.
Chris


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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 6:26 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

Same thing here:
My new Dell came with a keyboard but it did not have a num lock key, I
purchassed another and it came without an Applications Key.
I finally Purchassed a third keyboard that has both but the fellow at Best
Buy had a hard time finding one with both the num lock and applications
keys.
My guess is software should be designed around this newkeyboard layout
senario since I don't know if it is possible to influence the hardware
manufactures to comply with an individual software product in lieu of 99.99
percent of their base client requirements.
That or perhaps AI Squared could sell a compatible keyboard and even make a
buck for coffee.
I don't know the best solution but it seems the large manufacturers are
getting away from the applications key and the num lock keys.
By the way, the girl from Dell had no clue as to what I ment when I called
them about getting a keyboard with both and sent me to a webPage where
keyboards were detailed but even there I couldn't figure out which ones came
with what I needed to work with WindowEyes and that is why I ended up over
at Best Buy and their sales person also had a hard time finding one but, at
least, he did find one, at least for now.
It is quite frustrating to drop hundreds for a computer only to find out you
need to hard scrounge additional hardware if you want to use WindowEyes and
there was not anything on the WindowEyes site as to which keyboards were
compatible with their software - at least I didn't find anything at the
time.
I guess in some cases a modified f10 key will work in place of the
Applications Key but as far as I know no num lock key can be a killer me
thinks.
Rick USA

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RE: is anyone using the vocalizer expriseve voices if so what do youthink of them?

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well I am not using this device with  window-eyes.  I am using it with other
screen readers.  I don't have any problem what so ever. With it can use
dectalk access32 or vocalizer with no problems.  The response  time with the
dectalk is a little more  snappy. I love tom it is a wonderful synthesizer.
I don't really like ovona and it is not very responsive how ever you use it.

Hth 


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Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 5:38 PM
To: Brice Mijares; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is anyone using the vocalizer expriseve voices if so what do
youthink of them?

Here's my take on it. Regardless of how good a new synth is it takes time to
get used to it. I agree with Brice in that a short demo can sound good, but
it really says nothing about practical every day usage.

The problem is that we get tuned into a specific synth voice, especially if
we've been using it for years and seldom if ever switched synths. 
This is what I experienced after using a DecTalk Express for 20 years and
finally decided to try some of the new software synths that are unarguably
much more human sounding. I like Vocalizer Expressive, although I wish GW
went with Ivona, simply because I like those voices more. I have the SAPI
versions but of course using SAPI is a performance hit compared to
Window-Eyes directly accessing a synth via its own driver. But that's
another story.

My point is that when I started using Vocalizer Expressive and Ivona they
were both very difficult to get used to simply because they were different
and my brain was tuned into the DecTalk Express voice. Even though they
sounded much better I was frustrated and constantly switching back and forth
because I could run DecTalk considerably faster and never have to stop and
rewind so to speak. But eventually, after being wrapped up in such a
wrestling match until I was sick of it I realized that the only way to make
another synth work was to stop using my old DecTalk as a crutch and force
myself to stick with the new voice.

I don't remember now how long it took, and it was frustrating, but
eventually my brain got tuned into the new voice and it sounds fine now. 
And I never look back. My old DecTalk is hibernating in a closet somewhere
now.

So the moral of the story is that patience is indeed a virtue. We are all
creatures of habit and hate change, even if that change is for the better.
But of course this is no guaranty that any particular voice is going to be
the one that works for you. Case in point. Many folks like Vocalizer
Expressive Tom. Personally I hate it. For some inexplicable reason it's
extremely annoying to me. So I think, what a shame they wasted such a good
name on a useless synth. grin.

Just my 22 cents worth.

Tom


On 4/13/2015 11:28 AM, Brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
 I listened to a short demo which sounded okay, So I purchased it. 
 After further review, I went back to deck access. So I basically threw 
 away the purchase price! That's my personal perspective.
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tagging friends using the facebook app

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Hi,

Ok first I have never needed to do this before,  so I had to figure it out. 

First go in to the facebook app. 

Now press the status button. You can write what ever it is you want to say
in the edit box now or you can do it after you tag your friends. 

Any way I wrote what I wanted to say first. I mean focus is already there so
you might as well.  I tried it both ways as I said and it works. 

Now tab over to tag a friend. 

Press this button.

Now tab to the list view and move down to the friend you want to tag. 

Press enter. If you have more friends to tag move down the list to the next
one and press enter.  Keep doing this tell  you have tagged all the people
in the list view you want to tag.

Note window-eyes may report and probably  will report it is not selected
but it is.  Now ehn you are done in the list tab over to save.  Now press
enter.  Note you must press enter on the save button or you will be in a
never ending loope.  Spacebar on this button does not cut it for some
reason.  Also spacebar on the list item  does not cut it here.  You need to
use the inter key. 

Then you can go over to post and it will be posted and you will see that the
people you wanted to tag in the post were tagged.  

Hth 

 

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RE: Windows apps in general was Re: Windows 8 facebook app.

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

If you are running windows 8.1 you can find it in the windows app store
witch is installed on your computer.
Hth 


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 8:09 AM
To: Christopher Hallsworth; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows apps in general was Re: Windows 8 facebook app.

Hi,

Where can I find the FaceBook Windows app?  I've been thinking about signing
up for FaceBook and it seems that FaceBook has finally improved their
privacy settings, so I think I'll give it a try.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 4/11/2015 3:32 AM, Christopher Hallsworth via Talk wrote:
 Well, since I'm new to Windows apps in general can someone tell me 
 please how to access menus if there are any, and any tips and tricks 
 you can offer. I know how to close an app, and I have apps showing in 
 the taskbar and can work out how to use an app in general. From memory 
 I know Windows-z does something, but all NVDA and probably Window-Eyes 
 says is unknown expanded checked. I have no idea what this is meant to 
 be. Also when I press the application key, all I can see is a refresh 
 button. Thanks!

 On 11/04/2015 08:25, Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk wrote:
 Yep this app works a treat.  Everything is tabable and is accessible 
 using standard windows command.  You can also spell  check as you 
 write.
 Just use
 the context menu to correct  any errors.  Let me know if there is 
 anything else you need to know.
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RE: Windows 8 facebook app.

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Yep this app works a treat.  Everything is tabable and is accessible  using
standard windows command.  You can also spell  check as you write.  Just use
the context menu to correct  any errors.  Let me know if there is anything
else you need to know. 


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Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 8:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Windows 8 facebook app.

Ok, i keep hearing the windows 8 app version of facebook is accessible, is
this true? Any tips on using it with WE? I have never used fb on the pc
always on my phone, so any help or tips on this would be great.

Thanks
Reeva
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RE: how to post A coment to someones face book posting on your facebook page

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

If you are running windows 8 or later I must once again recommend  the
windows app for facebook.  Everything I have tried to do works like a dream
with the keyboard.  It is fully accessible with window-eyes.  
Another thing to note is once you have posted a comment  on a facebook post
you should get an e-mail that will inform you that so and so has also
commented  on what ever status.  Read the message and if you want to add to
it just reply to the message say  what ever it is you have to say and send
the message. Hth 


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Behalf Of Smith, Veronica via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 10:54 AM
To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: how to post A coment to someones face book posting on your
facebook page

Posting to Facebook.
First of all, using the mobile site is blind person friendly.  The original
site is just a nightmare.
When I want to Post, I first press the letter e to actually find the edit
field, then I type in what I want to say, then I tab to Post. It is there
and it does read it.
The thing I cannot find is the Tag friends.  Somehow a while ago, I got on a
mailing list and every time they change something, they send me an email
asking if a blind person can access it.
They have made changes in the last few months, but I have not received
anything inquiring, so perhaps they think its okay.  If I find an email
address, I will send them feedback.
Veronica

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[mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of brendoncdono...@icloud.com via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2015 5:26 AM
To: Casey; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: how to post A coment to someones face book posting on your
facebook page

Hi,
No, I don't even think there is a button now! I think it's an edit field.in
any case.when you find the edit field, type in what you Wanna type! And
press enter.then it should post it.let me know how you go with this?

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 4 Apr 2015, at 1:40 pm, Casey via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
wrote:

Hi okay I was wondering.
When you are going threw your Facebook page.
And one of your friends posts something and you hit the button to comment on
what they pasted.
After you write your comment then how to you find the button to post that
comment?
I can find the comment button but then after I write my comment I can find
the place to click to post my comment to that posting.
So any and all help is welcome.


-- 
Casey
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RE: Microsoft Defender?

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Exactly it at times is also a good idea to have other software that can
catch bugs as well.  You don't run these in real time you run them or
install them when you think you have a problem.  For example spy bot search
destroy  will some times catch things that defender misses or mulware bites
doesn't see either.  On most of my boxes I have defender running in real
time.  it is resource  lite does a good job and is free.  Mulware bites is
also on my boxes.  It does a good job of catching stuff as described below.
I also have spy bot search destroy and use it as I described above. Finely
if I am sure that I have a bug I will install avg or avast and let them do
there thing.  Once I have solved the problem I either uninstall them or
disable them.  The rule of thumb here is never let more then one checker do
real time checking at a time.  understand that this can happen and will
cause you problems if it does and make sure it doesn't.  there is no reason
though that you can't have more then one protection salution on your box if
you want it. 

This is not complicated!
 Hth  


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[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2015 8:54 PM
To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Microsoft Defender?

No, that is not correct.

MalwareBytes is designed to compliment a standard anti-virus program. It
focuses primarily on the latest threats; adware, malware, spyware, trojans,
rootkits, and web sites. And the free version does not run in real-time or
update automatically. So it is doing nothing until you manually update it
and manually run a scan. It is typically better at removing problems after
they've infected your system than most anti-virus programs, which typically
work best when things are trying to sneak in the back door.

I've had the Pro version for years and ran it along with Eset Nod32 and now
MSE with no problems.

Hth,
Tom


On 4/4/2015 4:14 PM, brendoncdono...@icloud.com via Talk wrote:
 Yes, that is correct.

 Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

 On 5 Apr 2015, at 4:43 am, joseph weakland via Talk
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 since MSE don't work on XP cause XP no longer supported is malware bytes
te best thing for xp users?
 - Original Message - From: Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: 'Pamela Dominguez' geo...@optonline.net; 'Window-Eyes 
 Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2015 1:07 PM
 Subject: RE: Microsoft Defender?


 Actually this is not true.  Many virus  protection packages will 
 allow you to run them along side one another. Defender will not and 
 if you do run programs like this along side one another you are asking
for trouble.
 Hth


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
 Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 9:34 PM
 To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Microsoft Defender?

 The only way you could use two antivirus programs is to run them 
 manually and separately.  Pam.

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Grabowski via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 8:43 AM
 To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: Microsoft Defender?

 Hi,
 Generally, it is not recommended to have two real time antivirus 
 scanners running as this could create conflicts as well as slowing down
the computer.


 Window-Eyes Product Support
 Ai Squared
 725 Airport North Office Park
 Fort Wayne, IN 46825
 (802) 362-3612
 www.aisquared.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 7:40 AM
 To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Microsoft Defender?

 OK, Just one more question if I may. Should one run Defender along 
 with other virus checkers, or should it be run exclusively? I just 
 got a new computer, and we just installed the free version of Avira, 
 so really need to have an answer to this question.

 Please feel free to reply off list at the above address.

 Any help with this issue will be greatly appreciated,

 Larry

 At 03:33 AM 4/2/2015, you wrote:
 Hi mate, yes! It works very well and it is completely accessible. I 
 would recommend it! Thank you.

 Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

 On 2 Apr 2015, at 4:50 pm, Ivan Cribb via Talk 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 I understand that MS has a free multi-antivirus program called 
 Microsoft Defender which is updated automatically. Do people think 
 it is effective and accessible?

 I am presently subscribed to Vipre internet protection. I have 
 certainly not been in fected since using it but it is not free and I 
 don't find it all that accessible.

 I won't renew my subscription if Microsoft has a free

RE: Microsoft Defender?

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Yes at the risk of making people who love xp mad at me and I am sorry in
advance.  If you are running xp it is time past time to get rid of xp and
update to windows 8.1.  xp is no longer being supported. It is not being
updated.  At some point soon window-eyes will probably not work with it.
Windows 8.1 can be maid to look like xp for the most part using  clasec
shell and old new explorer.  Window-eyes works wonderful with clasec shell
and old new explorer will give you the menu system back in explorer and will
work wonderful with window-eyes. You will also have access to windows 8 apps
such as facebook window-eyes works like a dream with this app for example
this means you will not need to get apps like  socialize.  
 You will have access to windows defender as well.  A much better built in
speech synthesizer the ability to refresh your system with speech if need
be. The list of advantages goes on but I think we get the idea.
As I said I don't want to start a debate,  but xp is old and really should
be updated to windows 8.1 if possible. 
Most systems running xp will also run windows 8.1. unless it is a really old
box. This means if you can update you really should.  
Hth 


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From: Talk
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Behalf Of Jan Kleinhans via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2015 9:08 PM
To: joseph weakland; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Microsoft Defender?

Hi

Just a note on mse - I still use a xp machine, and although the end of
support notice is there, mse still works on my xp machine.  The definitions
are being updated, and all still works as expected.  The only thing you will
see is that the pc status will show at risk, but I ignore that, and it is
still doing fine.

Jan Kleinhans
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From: joseph weakland via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: Jim Grimsby JR. jgrim...@roadrunner.com; Window-Eyes Discussion
List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2015 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Defender?


 since MSE don't work on XP cause XP no longer supported is malware 
 bytes te best thing for xp users?
 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: 'Pamela Dominguez' geo...@optonline.net; 'Window-Eyes 
 Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2015 1:07 PM
 Subject: RE: Microsoft Defender?


 Actually this is not true.  Many virus  protection packages will 
 allow you to run them along side one another. Defender will not and 
 if you do run programs like this along side one another you are 
 asking for trouble.
 Hth


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
 Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 9:34 PM
 To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Microsoft Defender?

 The only way you could use two antivirus programs is to run them 
 manually and separately.  Pam.

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Grabowski via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 8:43 AM
 To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: Microsoft Defender?

 Hi,
 Generally, it is not recommended to have two real time antivirus 
 scanners running as this could create conflicts as well as slowing 
 down the computer.


 Window-Eyes Product Support
 Ai Squared
 725 Airport North Office Park
 Fort Wayne, IN 46825
 (802) 362-3612
 www.aisquared.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 7:40 AM
 To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Microsoft Defender?

 OK, Just one more question if I may. Should one run Defender along 
 with other virus checkers, or should it be run exclusively? I just 
 got a new computer, and we just installed the free version of Avira, 
 so really need to have an answer to this question.

 Please feel free to reply off list at the above address.

 Any help with this issue will be greatly appreciated,

 Larry

 At 03:33 AM 4/2/2015, you wrote:
Hi mate, yes! It works very well and it is completely accessible. I 
would recommend it! Thank you.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 2 Apr 2015, at 4:50 pm, Ivan Cribb via Talk 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

I understand that MS has a free multi-antivirus program called 
Microsoft Defender which is updated automatically. Do people think it 
is effective and accessible?

I am presently subscribed to Vipre internet protection. I have 
certainly not been in fected since using it but it is not free and I 
don't find it all that accessible.

I won't renew my subscription if Microsoft has a free 
alternative.What do people think?

Ivan Cribb

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RE: Microsoft Defender?

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

No if you are running defender then you are running spy ware and virus
protection. If you are using windows 8.x.  you don't want to run other
salutions along side defender because this will cause you nothing but
trouble and defender will not let you do that any way. If you are running an
earlier version of windows then you should get security  essentials  because
defender on these versions only does spy ware.  That is why I said defender
is not on earlier versions speaking of the windows 8 defender.  
Hth 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 8:37 AM
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Microsoft Defender?

First of all, I will offer my apologies for persisting about this question,
but I feel that it is now at least within the proper context, 
and more to my previous intended point, if that makes any sense 
g.Is it advisable to run Defender along with an antivirus program? 
I take it that it does offer reasonable protection when it comes to malware
and such, but is it meant to be an adiquit antivirus program?

Thanks for your patients,

Larry


On 4/2/2015 9:33 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:


 defender is a part of Windows 7. But it is disabled if you install MS 
 security essentials.
 - Original Message - From: Brice Mijares via Talk 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: Dave Basden basden.da...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion 
 List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:24 AM
 Subject: Re: Microsoft Defender?


 That's my understanding.
 - Original Message - From: Dave Basden via Talk 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 7:02 AM
 Subject: Re: Microsoft Defender?


 I believe Windows Defender requires Windows 8 or later--is that 
 correct?

 At 04:48 AM 4/2/2015, you wrote:
 Hello, the rule!!! Is that you run independently. Saying this, I 
 have never had any issues running another antivirus program with 
 it! So it's your choice. Give it a try, if there is no effect, 
 then leave it. If there is, uninstall the current one and use the 
 Microsoft 1. Thank you.

 Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

 On 2 Apr 2015, at 9:39 pm, Larry Higgins 
 larryhiggin...@comcast.net wrote:

 OK, Just one more question if I may. Should one run Defender along 
 with other virus checkers, or should it be run exclusively? I just 
 got a new computer, and we just installed the free version of 
 Avira, so really need to have an answer to this question.

 Please feel free to reply off list at the above address.

 Any help with this issue will be greatly appreciated,

 Larry

 At 03:33 AM 4/2/2015, you wrote:
  Hi mate, yes! It works very well and it is completely accessible.
 I would recommend it! Thank you.
 
  Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue
 
  On 2 Apr 2015, at 4:50 pm, Ivan Cribb via Talk
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 
  I understand that MS has a free multi-antivirus program called 
 Microsoft
  Defender which is updated automatically. Do people think it is 
 effective
  and accessible?
 
  I am presently subscribed to Vipre internet protection. I have
 certainly not
  been in fected since using it but it is not free and I don't
 find it  all
  that accessible.
 
  I won't renew my subscription if Microsoft has a free 
 alternative.What do
  people think?
 
  Ivan Cribb
 
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RE: Microsoft Defender?

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

You should run it exclusively.  If you install other products that perform
the same tasks windows will turn defender off to prevent problems.  
Hth 


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Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 4:40 AM
To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Microsoft Defender?

OK, Just one more question if I may. Should one run Defender along with
other virus checkers, or should it be run exclusively? I just got a new
computer, and we just installed the free version of Avira, so really need to
have an answer to this question.

Please feel free to reply off list at the above address.

Any help with this issue will be greatly appreciated,

Larry

At 03:33 AM 4/2/2015, you wrote:
Hi mate, yes! It works very well and it is completely accessible. I 
would recommend it! Thank you.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 2 Apr 2015, at 4:50 pm, Ivan Cribb via Talk 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

I understand that MS has a free multi-antivirus program called 
Microsoft Defender which is updated automatically. Do people think it 
is effective and accessible?

I am presently subscribed to Vipre internet protection. I have 
certainly not been in fected since using it but it is not free and I 
don't find it all that accessible.

I won't renew my subscription if Microsoft has a free alternative.What 
do people think?

Ivan Cribb

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RE: leaving list

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Well this is an example of why this needs to change.  Back in the window
bridge days the demo would time out after 30 minutes. The cool thing was you
did not need to reboot. You just needed to wait 5 minutes  or so and then
restart window bridge and it would go on working. It would be really nice if
you had the option to reboot or wait a period of time. With the new
window-eyes restart feature after the time elapsed window-eyes could
automaticly restart.  I would also like to see the window-eyes  restart
feature automaticly restart window-eyes if after a set time it remains  u
unresponsive.  It would also be nice if a feture was provided that would
kill the old icons from the system tray.  Yes I am perfectly aware this is a
windows bug with the system tray but I would like to see it worked around. 
Thanks for reading. 


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 2:47 PM
To: wally from michigan; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: leaving list

why leave the list?
the demo should still work for 30 minutes at a time.
you just have to reboot the computer to get another 30 minutes of use.
reloading the demo will only give you 5 minutes until the computer is re
booted.

-Original Message-
From: wally from michigan via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 2:28 PM
To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: leaving list

Well folks, i have learned a lot here, and thanks for all the help. My demo
copy of window eyes no longer works, and i don't have office on this
computer, so i must bid all of you a fond farewell.  Mark solomon, netbat,
Chris, and all others, i'll miss you.  Maybe some day my ship will come in
and i'll buy window eyes.  Thanks.

On 3/30/2015 1:20 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
 Hi,

 The best time to send a diagnostic report is when you are having the 
 issue in question.

 After rebooting the computer or restarting Window-eyes the issue in 
 question is gone.

 Hope this helps,
 Chris

 Window-Eyes Product Support
 Ai Squared
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 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On Behalf Of Reg Webb via Talk
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 10:54 AM
 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: Diagnostics

 Hi

 If W-E, or perhaps it's the computer,  crashes in a way which means I 
 lose everything except the letter keys, three of the numpad keys which 
 just say beginning of Page, end of page, and center, my only 
 option is to restart.  In that case, is it worth starting diagnostics 
 when Windows comes up again, or is all memory of the problem session lost?
 This has now happened to me twice.


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i am proud to have been a member of the michigan school for the blind from
1973 to 1979, hail to the raiders, may your memory live forever.

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RE: Microsoft Defender?

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Defender is built in to windows 8.x.  it is very accessible it is very good
and it is free. I have not been infected with anything sense I started using
defender on windows 8.  If you are not using windows 8.x then you will not
have access to defender. You will need to get Microsoft security  essentials
this is also a very good product and it served me well on windows 7.  
Hth 


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Behalf Of Ivan Cribb via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:50 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Microsoft Defender?

I understand that MS has a free multi-antivirus program called Microsoft
Defender which is updated automatically. Do people think it is effective and
accessible? 

I am presently subscribed to Vipre internet protection. I have certainly not
been in fected since using it but it is not free and I don't find it all
that accessible. 

I won't renew my subscription if Microsoft has a free alternative.What do
people think?

Ivan Cribb

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RE: foobar 2000

[Jim Grimsby Jr. via Talk]

Yes it works rather well.You can use it with out any major problems.
There are a few unknown controls  here and there but no show stoppers. The
shortcuts in the menu bar are not read,  but other then this quite useable.


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Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 2:21 PM
To: Butch Bussen; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: foobar 2000

How does window-eyes work with foobar 2000?
thanks,
Darrell

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:34 AM
To: Reeva Webb
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Recording program suggestions.

It is on shellworld.  There are other things in my public directory, but
the one you want is mp3dc216.zip  Has program and some help stuff, and a
lame.dll file you'll need.  It works well with speech and is free.
To get the file you want, go to the link below
and hit enter on that file.

http://www.shellworld.net/~butchb

Butch Bussen


On
Sun, 22 Mar 2015, Reeva Webb wrote:

 Can I get a link for mp3directcut please? Google is giving me questionable
 download links.

 Reeva

 On Sunday, March 22, 2015, Butch Bussen via Talk 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 wrote:

 I don't know if this would do the trick, but I use mp3directcut.  It
 records in mp3 format, but is easy to edit files.  You could then use
 switch to convert.
 73
 Butch
 WA0VJR
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 Wallace, ks.


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word nav while editing Microsoft outlook messages.

[Jim Grimsby Jr. via Talk]

I was wondering while editing a Microsoft outlook message if the word nav
app could be used.  This would be quite useful. I see at the moment it
cannot. I loaded the app while in Microsoft outlook and pressed insert+z and
nothing happened.  I guess this means this app will have to be updated in
order for this to work.  Also I think it would be a good idea to allow the
inter key to be used while the context menu is opened.  For example while
using the spell check commands before you can press enter on one of the
options in the context menu you must turn word nav off,  because if you
don't it informs you that you pressed an invalid key.   This means you are
constantly turning word nav on and off with insert+z.

Hth!

 

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RE: trying to decide if I should migrate to window-eyes 9 because I still have windows xp

[Jim Grimsby Jr. via Talk]

I would urge all users of office 2007 and later who don't like the ribbon to
check out classic  menus for office.  This is a ribbon add on that gives you
back your classic  menu interface.  While I have no problem with the ribbon
I must confess that I don't understand the layout meaning why things were
put where they were.  With classic  menu for office just press alt+q twice
and you will get everything you need in a vertical menu. 
This app is not free how-ever. 
There is a free alternative but I don't remember the name of it at the
moment,  and I did not like it as well.  
Hth 

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Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:55 PM
To: Smith, Veronica; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: trying to decide if I should migrate to window-eyes 9 because I
still have windows xp

Hello Veronica,

You did make some serious Changes there!  Going from XP to win 7, then from
Word 2003 to 2010, and then Win eyes 9.0.

I was forced to move to Word 2010 when it came out, due to my job, and I
have hated it ever since.

I still use it on my home systems, but, I am not nearly as good with Word
2010 as I was with the 2003 version.

even now I can't seem to find where to change the silly Spacing 
between lines.   Anyone know how to do this?

At 09:35 AM 3/4/2015, you wrote:
Honestly, if I had been smart, I would of stayed with XP and WE 8.4.  
that, in my opinion, was the best set up and I hardly had a problem.  
Now, I have WE 9.0 and Office 2010 and a new computer and am so sorry I 
changed.
Veronica

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On Behalf Of Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:06 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: trying to decide if I should migrate to window-eyes 9 because 
I still have windows xp

Dear List, especially XP users:
Until I can get a newer computer, I am still using Windows XP.  I 
realize it has not been tested for Window-eyes nine.  Those who are 
still using windows XP, have you stayed with window-eyes 8.4 or have 
you taken a chance with version nine.  Your answers will help me decide 
whether to wait or upgrade to the newest window-eyes.  Thanks for your 
experiences regarding this.  Regards:  Ted Larson 
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RE: tutorial on the classic shell for 8.1

[Jim Grimsby Jr. via Talk]

Hi,
To work with the normal  start screen just press shift windows.  The classic
shell works like the older start menu system.  So think of it like a
vertical menu system with no horizontal  menu bar.  As for a tutorial  not
that I know of.  
Hth 


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Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 3:37 PM
To: talk window eyes
Subject: tutorial on the classic shell for 8.1

Is there any kind of tutorials on the classic shell? Friday I downloaded I
believe 5 window eyes tutorials on windows 8.1, but with this classic shell
I can't follow along with the tutorials.  I had the classic shell installed
when I bought the computer. thinking it would be easier to navigate I'd
appreciate any help.. 

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RE: test message using Dragon naturally speaking with window eyes

[Jim Grimsby Jr. via Talk]

Hello,
I agree that Window-Eyes should have better support for Dragon
NaturallySpeaking.  That being said, I do use it on a daily basis with all
of my screen readers with no add-ons such as J say quite successfully.  It
surprises me.  However, that Window-Eyes does not support Dragon
NaturallySpeaking better than it does considering the fact that back in the
dust days vocal-eyes   was the only screenreader I knew of that had full
support for DragonDictate
it should also be noted here that there is an app available for Window-Eyes
for use with Windows speech recognition created by Chip orange
I hope this helps.  Thank you for reading.


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Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:46 PM
To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: test message using Dragon naturally speaking with window eyes

Hello. This is something that Window-eyes should really support. I think AI
really needs to get Caketalking, and jay say, etc to be compatible with
Window-Eyes as well as JAWS is losing marketshare

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Behalf Of brendoncdono...@icloud.com via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:25 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: test message using Dragon naturally speaking with window eyes

Hello, as far as I'm aware! It is not. it is only compatible with JAWS!
Thanks.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 28 Feb 2015, at 12:07 pm, Darrell Bowles via Talk
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:


I am using a trial of version 12. If anyone would know how to set it up, so
it is compatible with we, any help would be appreciated.

-Original Message- From: K4NKZ JIM via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 8:35 PM
To: talk wineyes
Subject: test message using Dragon naturally speaking with window eyes

   High Everybody,
This is a test message to see how would window  eyes will work with Dragon
Naturally Speaking home edition.
I am doing this all by dictation.
When I am done dictating I would tell Dragon to press the F7 key. To see if
there were any spelling mistakes!
Window eyes at this moment is not reading back to me what I am dictating!
It is spelling everything back to me!
If somebody knows how to correct this, by making window eyes read back in
words I would appreciate that!
Well I guess that's it for now!
I will run spell-check next.
The spell check found three misspelled words! And there was a few mistakes
because of the way I said things.
Talk to you all later!

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Have a nice day from, K4NKZ Jim

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RE: which version of windows should I get

[Jim Grimsby Jr. via Talk]

Hello,
yes this is true, all Windows 7 users will be able to upgrade to Windows 10
free of charge.  That being said, the idea that you should get Windows 7
just because the you think it will be easier to navigate is completely not
true.  As I have said on this subject.  A number of times you can get
programs which resolve this issue if it is a problem for you.  The best
program to get to resolve these navigation issues is classic Shell.  This
will allow you to have a windows XP style start menu or a Windows 7 style
start menu, and it will allow you to take advantage of all the new features
of Windows 8.1.  If you get a program called old new Explorer.  It will
allow you to turn off the ribbon and to make a number of tweaks to the
Windows Explorer that will make it look and feel like the Windows 7 Windows
Explorer.  Thus you will have all of the new features of Windows Explorer,
and the interface you are familiar with and comfortable with.  You will also
be able to take advantage of Windows universal apps.  One good example of
this is Facebook, which is completely accessible.  You will also have
greater stability, greater security better built-in text-to-speech and a
number of other features.  The new user interface should not be a deterrent,
because as I said these issues are quite easy to resolve if necessary.
I hope this helps, and think you for reading.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:56 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: which version of windows should I get

My opinion If you are use to XP, you might want to get Windows 7 if you 
can find it. It is easier to navigate  than Win 8.1. And it is my
understanding that all Wind 7 and Win 8.1 owners will get a free upgrade to
Win 10 within the first year. There will be support for Win 7 through 2020.


- Original Message -
From: Rick Thomas via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: 'Bud Schwab' budsch...@verizon.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:24 AM
Subject: RE: which version of windows should I get


 Hi Bud: I run Windows 8.1 and WindowEyes 8.4 I think and can get around ok
 for the most part.
 This combo is a far cry from the ease and stability Windows XP, never used
 Windows 7 so cant speak to that combo.
 That said it works for the most part but then Windows 10 is coming out 
 soon.
 It is tough to suggest something in the interm between Operating system
 releases but if in a crunch get Windows 8.1 and I think you might get a 
 free
 upgrade to Windows 10 when it is released - not sure so check it out.
 Rick USA

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On
 Behalf Of Bud Schwab via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 11:25 AM
 To: windoweyes
 Subject: which version of windows should I get

 Hi Gang,

 I am currently using windows 7 64 bit, but my computer is about to
 fail on me and I am going to get a new one.  I'm familiar with
 windows 7 64 bit but don't even know if it's available any more on a
 new computer.  My question is, of the versions of windows available
 today, 8, 9, and 10, is there one of them that works best
 with  windoweyes? I have the latest version of wineyes.  Thanks for
 any input.
 Thanks.


 Bud Schwab
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RE: slight synthesizer or something delay

[Jim Grimsby Jr. via Talk]

Same here.  You might want to check the kb article explaining how to turn
off enhancement's. you also might want to make sure you have the latest
sound drivers for your sound card.  The issue is not windows 8.1.  
Hth 


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From: Talk
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Behalf Of michael's mail boxl via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:22 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: slight synthesizer or something delay

Hi I actually find my win 8.1 witch is not very old and is a Dell much
more faster and more smoothly then my desktop running win 7.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message-
From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 11:09 AM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: slight synthesizer or something delay

Rod,
The one with the lag is a Win 8.1 machine versus my Win 7 work laptop, and I
wondered that too initially.  Seems odd to me that it would also be showing
that slight lag even in the Window Eyes Control Panel on both machines, but
that might show my ignorance at the impact an OS can have.

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin.van.lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:05 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: slight synthesizer or something delay

Hi Robin,

I'm wondering if you're running the same OS on both, or perhaps Windows 8 or
8.1 on one.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Windows 8 has the lag, and there are screen
transitions which may slow things down and so they should be disabled.
I have only Windows 7 and so I don't know how to guide you, but these
certainly could have an effect, as I recall.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk
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Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:38 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: slight synthesizer or something delay

All, When a got my new home laptop a while ago, I noticed that it felt like
there was the slightest lag of WE voicing things.  I'm sitting here today
working from home and have my work laptop next to my home laptop and just
tried a test.  I opened the WE control panel on both and arrowed down
through the tree view.  I can hit the down arrow at the exact same time and
there is a slight delay on my home PC.  It's really only a slight delay, but
I know others on here appreciate how that can feel like a lot as your are
arrowing and typing and wanting the information from WE more quickly.

I'm using the same voice and rate on Dectalk Access for WE synthesizer
option on both and I don't think I'm sophisticated enough to have changed
some other setting that would have created this delay.  Any suggestions from
others who've experienced this?   Could it be sound card related?


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RE: which version of windows should I get

[Jim Grimsby Jr. via Talk]

Actually the idea was to play on the one branding idea.  One operating
system to rule them all.  Xbox one.  One drive etc.  when you consider the
fact that windows 8.1  is actualy windows 6.3 the version number doesn't
matter much any way.  
Hth 


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Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:27 PM
To: Bud Schwab; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: which version of windows should I get

Well, for your information, Windows 9 simply does not work at all. 
Reason? It does not exist. Microsoft lost their abacus when they were to
release the next version after Windows 8.1, and hence found it much easier
to start from afresh, which means Windows 10.

Smiles.

Just wanted to clarify that one point. If you ever can get a Win7, I would
much recommend that - over the 8-series. I had so much trouble with both
Win8 and 8.1, that I parked that whole computer altogether. 
Admittedly, that was with an earlier version of the screen reader as well,
so things seemingly have got much better as time moved on. But the 8-series
do have their learning curve, and even sighted people complained enough to
have Microsoft partially change their mind. It all depends on whether you
want to pick up on that curve, or if you want to go with something that is
more in line with what you have been used to. 
Besides, according to what I hear and read, the Win10 interface may
partially take you one step back to the feel of Win7. Since it is going to
be released in the not too far off future, maybe no need to hazzle around
learning the steep curve of Win8, only to find yourself having to go back to
a more familiar touch when Win10 is hitting the market. Just some thoughts.

David

On 2/25/2015 5:24 PM, Bud Schwab via Talk wrote:
 Hi Gang,

 I am currently using windows 7 64 bit, but my computer is about to 
 fail on me and I am going to get a new one.  I'm familiar with windows
 7 64 bit but don't even know if it's available any more on a new 
 computer.  My question is, of the versions of windows available today, 
 8, 9, and 10, is there one of them that works best with  windoweyes? I 
 have the latest version of wineyes. Thanks for any input.
 Thanks.


 Bud Schwab
 W 6 Z Y P
 Malibu, California

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RE: Is Control-Tab a WE Command-

[Jim Grimsby Jr. via Talk]

Actually this is a windows command.  It works in any place where tabs are
found.  It does in fact work with window-eyes.  The reading of tabs how-ever
when this command is used it less then optimal.  I have reported this
problem to gw micro now the window-eyes team in the past. What should happen
when this key is pressed is as follows.  First the name of the new tab that
is active should be read, then the name of the focused object should be
read.  What happens is the name of the focused object is usualy read not the
name of the tab giving the user no indecation that the tab has changed.
Extra features that should be considered.  While in a window with tabs
control  1 threw  0 should be able to move from tab 1 threw tab 10 if there
are that many.  Control  ` should move the user to the page tab list to
quickly review the tab list.  These changes do not need to be maid to
window-eyes it self.  It could be done in the windows inhanced app. 
Note as I said I have reported this in the past with these recommendations.
To date nothing has been done about them. 
Hth 
 

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Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:48 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Is Control-Tab a WE Command-

Hi: I just spent some time in the WE doc but couldn't find mention of this
key combo in a few diferent headings.

This is the standard Windows hot key combo for reading through a standard
TabList.

It works in another screen reader but I havent gotten it to work in WE so
far.

I was guessing the Control-tab key may be a WE hot key but couldn't find it,
at least not so far, in the WE docs after going through the list of we hot
keys, looking under several likely topic Titles and trying a search on
control-tab.

Do you know if this is a WE hot key since it is, or at least was,  a
standard Windows hot Key but doesn't seem to work in WE?

At least it was listed in the quick search on google for windows hot keys I
just performed - let me know if this is not the case if you know.

What category would it be listed under if I want to turn it off in WE if not
important?

I designed a rather complex form using the Tab Control in Visual Studio and
really don't want to slog through the labels in production mode using the
mouse to open the various tabs nor have to use another reader on this page
nor completely ReDesign and ReProgram what is a nice layout.

If I can get the Windows Hot key to work, control-tab, I should be able to
tab through the tab list properly me thinks.

Rick USA

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