RE: [twitter-dev] Twitter Development Talk to become read-only this Friday, August 12th
Taylor when will twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com be switched off and archived so no future messages can be posted to it? Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Taylor Singletary Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:23 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Cc: Jason Costa Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Twitter Development Talk to become read-only this Friday, August 12th Hi Dossy Dean, Email subscription options are configurable either from specific forum category pages or more universally at https://dev.twitter.com/user -- unfortunately you can't reply directly to emails yet, but it's a feature we're hoping to provide in the future. We are moving to a single dev discussion location: https://dev.twitter.com/discussions Announcements will be made on the developer blog: https://dev.twitter.com/blog/category/announcements and @twitterapi. As we've done with announcements for some time, we'll tend to directly link an announcement with a discussion thread -- now on dev.twitter.com/discussions instead of these older google groups. @episod http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=episod - Taylor Singletary On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Dossy Shiobara do...@panoptic.com wrote: How do I subscribe to the discussion forum via email? On 8/10/11 3:27 PM, Jason Costa wrote: With our move over to the new dev.twitter.com, we've shifted our attention toward answering questions in the developer discussions taking place at: https://dev.twitter.com/discussions -- Dossy Shiobara | He realized the fastest way to change do...@panoptic.com | is to laugh at your own folly -- then you http://panoptic.com/ | can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) * WordPress * jQuery * MySQL * Security * Business Continuity * -- Have you visited the Developer Discussions feature on https://dev.twitter.com/discussions yet? Twitter developer links: Documentation and resources: https://dev.twitter.com/docs API updates via Twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi Unsubscribe or change your group membership settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe -- Have you visited the Developer Discussions feature on https://dev.twitter.com/discussions yet? Twitter developer links: Documentation and resources: https://dev.twitter.com/docs API updates via Twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi Unsubscribe or change your group membership settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe -- Have you visited the Developer Discussions feature on https://dev.twitter.com/discussions yet? Twitter developer links: Documentation and resources: https://dev.twitter.com/docs API updates via Twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi Unsubscribe or change your group membership settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe
[twitter-dev] http://support.twitter.com/forms/general
Anyone know why http://support.twitter.com/forms/general is offline for the last few hours? One of my accounts @MyTblock http://www.twitter.com/mytblock is suspended which is weird as I've only made 3 posts from it any have never followed anyone etc from it but I've been trying to fill out the form for the last few hours and keeps resolving to twitter is down Cheers, Dean -- Have you visited the Developer Discussions feature on https://dev.twitter.com/discussions yet? Twitter developer links: Documentation and resources: https://dev.twitter.com/docs API updates via Twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi Unsubscribe or change your group membership settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe
RE: [twitter-dev] http://askobama.twitter.com/
Hi Taylorsorry doesn't answer my question. I mean if Obama is responding in more than 140 character length answer like I think he is then no way apps can do anything with @TownHall posts. It's too late to do anything now but for next time maybe an example demo page of whats going to happen might help app devlopers. Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Taylor Singletary Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:03 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] http://askobama.twitter.com/ Hi Dean, We made a blog post yesterday detailing more of the how and what: http://blog.twitter.com/2011/07/twitter-town-hall.html @episod http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=episod - Taylor Singletary On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: Anyone from twitter on this dev-list able to answer questions about http://askobama.twitter.com http://askobama.twitter.com/ ? I'd like to know what format the webinar will take place and how the questions/answers will be appearing on twitter/on the askobama website? Cheers, Dean -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: https://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: https://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: https://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: https://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: https://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: https://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] http://askobama.twitter.com/
Anyone from twitter on this dev-list able to answer questions about http://askobama.twitter.com http://askobama.twitter.com/ ? I'd like to know what format the webinar will take place and how the questions/answers will be appearing on twitter/on the askobama website? Cheers, Dean -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: https://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: https://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/twitter-development-talk
FW: [twitter-dev] Re: A new permission level
Another suggestion, would it hurt to say Hey, we're thinking about doing X, what do you guys think? That way we can give you feedback before any firm decisions or deadlines are set. Lol you're new around here aren't you.. Twitter have never seen developers as equals and don't do things like this. Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Derek Gathright Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 12:09 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: A new permission level Matt Harris said: Why are permissions attached to the user token? Permissions are attached to the user token to ensure an application only has the access a user has authorised. Only because that is the way the system is currently built, but it doesn't have to be that way (see: Facebook). If permissions were not attached to the user token an application would be able to change the level of access they have without the user's knowledge. Not if there were no API for it and permission changes must be done by a user inside twitter.com (the logical thing). For additional security, have an opt-in/out email when permission/settings change on a user's account so they are aware of any changes (see: Banking websites). If you tie the permissions to the application each user token would need to be invalidated whenever an application's permissions are changed. Yes, and that's only because that is the way the system currently operates, which is a nuisance for both the developer and user. Imagine if every time I changed any of my Facebook permission settings (a common thing), I had to re-authenticate every. single. app. That eventually leads me to leave permissions as wide-open as possible to avoid the annoying task of re-authentication, defeating the purpose of permissions in the first place. I'm not trying to be argumentative. I understand why it was originally built the way it was and I understand why Twitter is adding the new permission. I'm just saying there are improvements that Twitter should consider to prevent these types of problems going forward. This same outcry will happen next time you add a permission setting, and the time after that, etc... Another suggestion, would it hurt to say Hey, we're thinking about doing X, what do you guys think? That way we can give you feedback before any firm decisions or deadlines are set. Those types of conversations used to be very common on this list. Twitter has some smart talented people working for the company, but there are also many smart talented people on this list that would love to be involved in these types of things before it becomes an issue and it erupts into a 65+ reply email thread with deadline extensions. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 5:11 PM, TheGuru jsort...@gmail.com wrote: This is where my confusion stemmed from. I'm not sure I was aware of the fact there were 2 OAuth login flows, web flow versus sign in with Twitter. As soon as I flipped the boolean in my PHP include for OAuth to set sign_in_with_twitter = FALSE, so that it would use /authorize instead of /authenticate (sign in with twitter), I then saw the correct permissions on the login page. I'm not sure this is obvious to many devs (it wasn't to me), that there was a difference. I just happened to use / assume sign in with twitter was the only web based login available after the implementation of OAuth. What are the implications / reasons for using one method over the other? They seem to essentially do the same exact thing / accomplish the same exact goal. On May 19, 3:17 pm, themattharris thematthar...@twitter.com wrote: The permission level for your application can be edited onhttp://dev.twitter.com/apps. When the website is busy, it can take a little bit longer for changes to your application to be reflected. Is using a web view against the Terms of Service (TOS)? Using an in-app web view to show the OAuth pages is not against our TOS. However, we encourage developers to use the built-in browser where appropriate. You said you were restricting this permission to the OAuth /authorize web flow only. Will /oauth/authenticate (Sign in with Twitter) support the new permission? The R/W/DM permission can only be granted through the /oauth/authorize route. Sign in with Twitter cannot be used to grant R/W/DM. We understand applications may use other methods of authentication like Sign in with Twitter as well. For this reason, if a user has authorised your application for R/W/DM and you direct them through Sign in with Twitter, we will respect the existing access token permission. This means you can use Sign in with Twitter after a user has authorized your application for R/W/DM. -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: https://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: At Reply Spam
Arnaud, If you guys want a suggestion on what Twitter should be working on then my list would include things that corporates would actually want to pay money for including analytics and analysis on who is viewing my tweets. The day Twitter pony up and start allowing paid accounts is the day I know their serious. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Edward (Ed) Borasky Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:12 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Cc: dpr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: At Reply Spam It's an @reply spambot, pure and simple. There is no vetting of suggested users - it didn't take either me or Marshall Kirkpatrick long to find a tweeter that was not safe for work in @twittersuggests' stream. It's a bad idea - Twitter needs to quit screwing around with stuff like this and solve problems that keep people with budgets up at night! On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Arnaud Meunier arn...@twitter.com wrote: Dewald, These rules apply to third party apps. @twittersuggests is not a third party app, but an experimental feature, developed and owned by Twitter. Now I can also understand this Do as I Say, not as I Do situation can be irritating. But I guess the best thing to do at this point is probably to share your thoughts on the experiment through his dedicated feedback form: https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/twitter.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHJ6UnYwdFZ6aHNRRVJoTU1mYl9FMlE6MQ Arnaud / @rno On May 5, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Arnaud, That's comforting to know. With that being the case, can you please enlighten us as to why Twitter is apparently violating its own rules, which, as you said, are still in force and we all still are apparently expected to adhere to? Let me help you and quote from your rules the appropriate text: If you are automatically sending @reply messages or Mentions to a bunch of users, the recipients must request or approve this action in advance. Have any of the users targeted by @twittersuggests, which is sending automated @reply messages to a bunch of users, explicitly requested or approved this action in advance? If not, then you may have de facto invalidated that section of your rules and by implication exempted all developers and applications from it. On May 5, 12:45 pm, Arnaud Meunier arn...@twitter.com wrote: Hey Dewald, Neither our TOS nor our Automation Rules Best Practices (http://support.twitter.com/articles/76915) have changed since the launch of @twittersuggests experimental feature :) Arnaud / @rno http://twitter.com/rno On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:00 AM, TjL luo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: With reference to @twittersuggests, is other unsolicited @reply spam now also officially sanctioned by Twitter? When has Twitter ever given you the idea that they were playing by the same rules as everyone else? -- Twitter developer documentation and resources:http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] New oAuth Authorization screen is unusable on phone webbrowser control
Why is it safer Tom? Safer for who? Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom van der Woerdt Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 12:09 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] New oAuth Authorization screen is unusable on phone webbrowser control I've heard this before. It sounds like all UIWebView, WebBrowser and probably Android's WebView are blocked. This is definitely a good thing for security reasons. The workaround I recommend: launch the actual browser, using a yourapp:// link (something like myapplication://tokenDone) as the return URL. This is a LOT safer for the users. Tom On 4/30/11 8:50 AM, Bob12345 wrote: Hi, I've been using a WebBrowser control in my Window Phone application to login into Twitter. Today I noticed that the login/authorization page format had changed and it is now unusable in a web browser control that my application displays. The text on the page is squeezed together, and the page unscrollable. If I paste the URI into the desktop browser it displays a full-sized desktop login screen listing all of the app's capabilities. Is anybody else having this issue? Do you know of a workaround for this problem? Thanks! -Bob -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Celebs that tweet
Who /what is celebs that tweet? www.celebsthattweet.com is this something that has an official relationship with Twitter? Cheers, Dean -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] app to block all users ending with numerals
Lol, someone want to write me an app that blocks all users where their username ends with two or three numbers. This is getting ridiculous. Seems like something that would be pretty easy to achieve via the API don't you think? Cheers, Dean -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] twitter verified
Who is responsible for Twitter verified? I have someone who I'm helping out with some Facebook stuff who just told me this is no longer possible to get accounts twitter verified. Yes you would have heard of them - yes it's appropriate to get this account verified. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net mailto:d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Spanish apps for the USA market?
Hi, my name is Dean Collins and I'm one of the founders of http://www.LiveBaseballChat.com http://www.livebaseballchat.com/ We are a live chat app that is tightly integrated into Facebook and Twitter. The reason for writing is we've been asked by a few users over the last few months to create a Spanish version of our app. I'm wondering how many twitter developers on this list have created a bilingual version of their apps and what the takeup in the USA market has been? I know that is makes up a significant portion of the USA population but just hoping for some credible data about similar language conversions. Regards, Dean Collins LiveChatConcepts inc d...@livechatconcepts.com mailto:d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] block tool?
Anyone know of a Twitter block tool? Looking for something that can extract all of the twitter accounts that I've blocked for one of my twitter accounts and then import it into another twitter account I have? Sounds like the ideal use of an API - is this something that is available free or paid? Cheers, Dean -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose
Adam, Lol the writing was on the wall when they tried to shut down my app MyPostButler for providing end users easy access to the API in the early days. (August 2009) I'm still a lurker here but I learnt my lesson early, nothing I build is reliant on Twitter, if they want to shut off our access we have facebook/google/email as alternatives. I'm sure twitter will make a bundle of cash selling to someone, and I'm sure they will make a bundle of money through other methods so this post will fall through the cracks but when their lawyers on a recorded conference call said we're going to shut you down one way or another I knew it was time to spend my energy elsewhere. I am thankful that twitter propagated the whole idea of api access as a method to spread fast through the development community as it's made me money in other ways so for that I'm thankful. (didn't invent but certainly enouraged/continued) Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Adam Green Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:47 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose The behavior on this group has changed significantly since Ryan finally admitted that Whitelisting no longer exists. I've never seen anyone discuss methods of getting around TOS before, well there was Edward H., and we saw what happened to him. Now there are free flowing discussions of MTurk and other tricks to go way beyond the rate limits. I think this is great. Frankly, Twitter has done a good job of offering free resources to devs, which I thank them for, but there was way too much fear before. Now there are no extra benefits that can be given and withdrawn on a case by case basis. Boy do I hate that phrase. Of course, they can ban people from this list, but maybe the irony of Twitter blocking free speech on their own forum may restrain that urge in the future. Personally, I've treated Whitelisting like Social Security. It ain't going to be there when I need it. That has turned out to be a winning strategy. I don't really violate TOS, since I'm not as spammer, but I have never tried building anything that would fail if Twitter didn't give me Whitelisting after it got into production, which BTW was the most disrespectful thing I've seen from a platform vendor. Everyone should assume that you need to use what is there by default, and always be ready with a workaround if that gets taken away. My gut tells me that things will get worse before they get better. Twitter HQ will be under huge pressure to make money before the IPO, and we are likely to get some of the cuts. The inevitable they are parasites leeching off of us will surface. Anyone here old enough to remember Ed Esber? But in the long run, I've never seen a global phenomenon like Twitter, so I'm in it for the next 10 years at least. Then I can retire. Let's keep the discussion open guys. They've already taken away the most important thing you wanted. Now we can build with our eyes open. And don't be afraid to speak up. This is Twitter. Revolutions happen here. Adam Green Twitter API Consultant and Trainer http://140dev.com @140dev -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Is there going to be another Chirp?
Rofl thanks Dossy. Cheers, Dean Collins http://www.LiveBasketballChat.com http://www.livebasketballchat.com/ From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dossy Shiobara Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 4:30 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Is there going to be another Chirp? On 2/12/11 3:59 PM, Brian Pegues wrote: I have one question? what is DM? -- Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk image001.jpg
[twitter-dev] Block count?
Can you tell from the API how many people block a twitter account? (how about how many people block your own accounts?) If twitter don't provide tools to help combat spam soon they are going to fall into a chasm of uselessness. Cheers, Dean -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] Block count?
Thanks for the reply Taylor. Maybe what I was trying to explain was Is there anyway that I can check to see if an account has been blocked by more than 100,1000 etc accounts Don't need to know who blocked them, just need to know this is probably a suspect account and like SURBL I should also treat accordingly. Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Taylor Singletary Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 10:14 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Block count? There is no direct way to get this information from the API. The API will contextually indicate the accounts the current user blocks but it does not go the other way. GET http://api.twitter.com/1/blocks/blocking.json and GET http://api.twitter.com/1/blocks/blocking/ids.json are the relevant methods. Aggregating and surfacing this information for purposes outside of the current user context would definitely be a case of surprising users though. Data about who a user who has blocked should remain private to that user alone. Taylor On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: Can you tell from the API how many people block a twitter account? (how about how many people block your own accounts?) If twitter don't provide tools to help combat spam soon they are going to fall into a chasm of uselessness. Cheers, Dean -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Single-Sign-On for own app and native Twitter app (like Facebook SDK)
The real question is when will Twitter share user data back to our apps to pre-fill user data fields like we can get with Facebook. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dishant Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:41 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Single-Sign-On for own app and native Twitter app (like Facebook SDK) http://dev.twitter.com/pages/sign_in_with_twitter On Dec 13 2010, 8:47 pm, Mathias Lin m...@mathiaslin.com wrote: Is there a way to authenticate via OAuth in a single-sign-on manner like the Facebook SDK offers? Means, that when I call the authorize url, I would come to the native Twitter app (not browser or webview), eventually login (if not yet) and allow access to my app there, then return to my own app - but I will stay signed in in the native Twitter app as well. -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] Twitter login facility on my website
This is the page you are looking for; http://dev.twitter.com/pages/sign_in_with_twitter Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Madswede Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:09 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Twitter login facility on my website Hi, Not a technical person but would like to know how to have the Twitter login facility on my website so my visitors can use their twitter details to login to my site with. I have a developer but thought I would do the research work for him so he just has to implement ithope it makes sense to you guys too. Thanks for reading this, Cheers from Sweden -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] New twitter in ie8 broken again
New twitter in ie8 is broken again, works great in firefox but started failing in ie8 about 8am this morning. Cheers, Dean -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] Search result is incorrect
I'm also having the same issue for http://twitter.com/#!/search/from%3Alivetvchat I read help but it just says check @Support . lol the tweets for @support are no longer in the timeline. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of binku Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:45 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Search result is incorrect search results is incorret when i search tweets from myself, like this: http://search.twitter.com/search?q=+from%3Abinku87. This is only two results, but definitely my tweets(http://twitter.com/#!/ binku87) is more than two. Everybody has every idea about this? -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] RE: New twitter in ie8 broken again
Huh well that IS interesting. I have no idea why but someone just emailed me to answer my question about New Twitter being broken for IE8. They told me if you turn on InPrivate browsing on IE8 that new twitter works Just tried it for my account http://www.Twitter.com/LiveNascarChat came up perfect. Can someone from twitter explain what in their code broke this morning at 8am that is negated by inprivate browsing? Cheers, Dean From: Dean Collins Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:23 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: New twitter in ie8 broken again New twitter in ie8 is broken again, works great in firefox but started failing in ie8 about 8am this morning. Cheers, Dean -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] RE: New twitter in ie8 broken again
This is the error. Webpage error details User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET4.0C) Timestamp: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 01:36:21 UTC Line: 46 Char: 24529 Code: 0 URI: http://a0.twimg.com/a/1294266417/javascripts/phoenix.bundle.js I've filed a ticket at http://bit.ly/twicket but lucky 8 ball says reply message to ticketunlikely. Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Harris Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:54 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] RE: New twitter in ie8 broken again Hey Dean, I'm unable to reproduce the issue but as Tom said it sounds like a caching issue. Switching to InPrivate mode is likely to have forced a reload of the js and css assets. The website team isn't part of the API (they build on top of it), so if you are having any more issues with the site I recommend contacting our user support team. They can be reached through this URL: http://bit.ly/twicket Best, @themattharris Developer Advocate, Twitter http://twitter.com/themattharris On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Tom van der Woerdt i...@tvdw.eu wrote: Sounds like a cookie/cache issue. Tom Sent from my iPhone On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: Huh well that IS interesting. I have no idea why but someone just emailed me to answer my question about New Twitter being broken for IE8. They told me if you turn on InPrivate browsing on IE8 that new twitter works Just tried it for my account http://www.twitter.com/LiveNascarChat http://www.Twitter.com/LiveNascarChat came up perfect. Can someone from twitter explain what in their code broke this morning at 8am that is negated by inprivate browsing? Cheers, Dean From: Dean Collins Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:23 AM To: mailto:twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: New twitter in ie8 broken again New twitter in ie8 is broken again, works great in firefox but started failing in ie8 about 8am this morning. Cheers, Dean -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] Directed twits to users of an application
Cant be done. DM's can only be sent to followers. The only alternative is posting an @xyzRecipientUser post and hope they see it. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mamadou Bobo Diallo Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 12:42 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Directed twits to users of an application Hi There. We are in the process of specification of an twitter application and we need a way to send a message to a particular user on the behalf of another user. The problem is that sometime there is no relationship between the two users. To recap: 1. The App send a twit to UserA as UserB. 2. The UserB see this message in someway in his timeline. 3. The UserB can retwit, reply to the twit. 4. ISSUE: The userB is not following userA. Thanks. -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] blocked users
Is blocked users available from the API? Eg if I block a user from the browser is this action viewable from another application via the API? Cheers, Dean -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] recycled accounts?
Does anyone know how long Twitter keeps accounts that were suspended for whatever reason frozen before the open the account up to be re-used by someone else? Eg http://www.Twitter.com/LivePremLeague got suspended ages ago I think at least a year ago (not my account) Wondering if they will ever release it for someone to sign up fresh and do something with this name. It seems crazy just to leave it locked forever? Cheers, Dean -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] Trying to get rid of twitter spammers
What I don't understand is that apart from possibly generating clicks why are people doing this? Are enough clicks converting into some kind of ROI interaction that makes them money? I keep expecting SPAM to take some kind of evolutionary leap (customized to your location/interests/cookies etc) but it seems to be the same old click requests. Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Furkan Kuru Sent: Friday, 26 November 2010 6:02 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Trying to get rid of twitter spammers Hello, I think there is a spamming action that uses too many twitter accounts and tweet by mentioning usernames and send as a reply. We receive thousands of similar spam tweets that are written as a reply to our followed users through streaming api. It spoils our data. The tweets seem to be sent from web not via a twitter app. Here are a few examples. @kaanalay http://twitter.com/kaanalay JobsCDFSales forevertravis RT ITS_NEL Discover lies from RonnieMo I'll come visit you ..lol http://bit.isff.com/3PoCt 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/P_Lobrayy/status/8109946705027073 @serkan_cakmak http://twitter.com/serkan_cakmak FREE!! before i have be mean/rude lol RT dreaontv: odotjdot *slides the Wrap it Up button ur way* http://fplk.c2.my/Yl4qz 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/ivtaathjathra/status/8109939918639105 @aralgamze http://twitter.com/aralgamze thiagomaciell mey2734 RT KokaMoe88: i wanna have sex .. right now at this moment || let's go lol http://wbx.c4.ee/v5QtU 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/qoorgeees/status/8109930166878208 @kkocaerkek http://twitter.com/kkocaerkek huh lol RT XxLovinJessixX: HELLL NOOO!!! I THATS POISON! RT :YUCKK -__- how about chipotle:) evebayby http://wmfi.l.to/VPkw5 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/fuaneledes/status/8109920641617920 @salihturan http://twitter.com/salihturan Niekstra 333TtJJ Fleegz RT PoetryNMoshun: SimplyMilele lol even the conscious got to love f*cking.. http://xllo.6p.ro/JPfIL http://twitter.com/rahaelrilt/status/8109887489839104 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/rahaelrilt/status/8109887489839104 http://twitturk.com/tweet/search?q=lol @nlyshn http://twitter.com/nlyshn carynfust5 Bieberbananzaaa LOL!! RT firstlady47: FAMU= Nene's old nose, bcc= Nene's new clothespin nose http://tlny.1k.ru/IbUpy http://twitter.com/brafh/status/8109862101716992 http://twitturk.com/tweet/search?q=lol 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/brafh/status/8109862101716992 @zehra_ozcan http://twitter.com/zehra_ozcan D88Miller GibsGaldino RT I_DOLLA: Kim lol RT BigHomie_: Nicki Minaj or Lil Kim in a fight WhoYaGot http://oyu.iz.rs/fGwaG http://twitter.com/YrnbAdi_Dhaama/status/8109813330345984 http://twitturk.com/tweet/search?q=lol 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/YrnbAdi_Dhaama/status/8109813330345984 @I5IL http://twitter.com/I5IL sexspeaking a shit. So... If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em. RT The100KShow: LadyBlogga lol you endorsing that! http://nofj.hn.cx/r1jvr http://twitter.com/dqbajBSB/status/8109804488753152 http://twitturk.com/tweet/search?q=lol 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/dqbajBSB/status/8109804488753152 @Melek_Ulker http://twitter.com/Melek_Ulker nciku honeku Pompam1016 RT KnockOWTdiva: Rhianna sounds like a lamb$$ lol on what song? http://gux.ah.sg/xlzaw 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/ManiSvitheick/status/8109799736614912 -- Furkan Kuru -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] Trying to get rid of twitter spammers
Hmmm I don't think that would work - it type lol in my @DeanCollins personal posts a lot :-) Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Furkan Kuru Sent: Friday, 26 November 2010 11:27 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Trying to get rid of twitter spammers Word lol is the most common in these spam tweets. We receive 400 spam tweets per hour now tracking 100K people. We plan to delete all of the tweets containing lol word. It is also used by our users (Turkish people) writing in English though. Any better suggestions? On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: What I don't understand is that apart from possibly generating clicks why are people doing this? Are enough clicks converting into some kind of ROI interaction that makes them money? I keep expecting SPAM to take some kind of evolutionary leap (customized to your location/interests/cookies etc) but it seems to be the same old click requests. Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Furkan Kuru Sent: Friday, 26 November 2010 6:02 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Trying to get rid of twitter spammers Hello, I think there is a spamming action that uses too many twitter accounts and tweet by mentioning usernames and send as a reply. We receive thousands of similar spam tweets that are written as a reply to our followed users through streaming api. It spoils our data. The tweets seem to be sent from web not via a twitter app. Here are a few examples. @kaanalay http://twitter.com/kaanalay JobsCDFSales forevertravis RT ITS_NEL Discover lies from RonnieMo I'll come visit you ..lol http://bit.isff.com/3PoCt 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/P_Lobrayy/status/8109946705027073 @serkan_cakmak http://twitter.com/serkan_cakmak FREE!! before i have be mean/rude lol RT dreaontv: odotjdot *slides the Wrap it Up button ur way* http://fplk.c2.my/Yl4qz 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/ivtaathjathra/status/8109939918639105 @aralgamze http://twitter.com/aralgamze thiagomaciell mey2734 RT KokaMoe88: i wanna have sex .. right now at this moment || let's go lol http://wbx.c4.ee/v5QtU 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/qoorgeees/status/8109930166878208 @kkocaerkek http://twitter.com/kkocaerkek huh lol RT XxLovinJessixX: HELLL NOOO!!! I THATS POISON! RT :YUCKK -__- how about chipotle:) evebayby http://wmfi.l.to/VPkw5 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/fuaneledes/status/8109920641617920 @salihturan http://twitter.com/salihturan Niekstra 333TtJJ Fleegz RT PoetryNMoshun: SimplyMilele lol even the conscious got to love f*cking.. http://xllo.6p.ro/JPfIL http://twitter.com/rahaelrilt/status/8109887489839104 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/rahaelrilt/status/8109887489839104 http://twitturk.com/tweet/search?q=lol @nlyshn http://twitter.com/nlyshn carynfust5 Bieberbananzaaa LOL!! RT firstlady47: FAMU= Nene's old nose, bcc= Nene's new clothespin nose http://tlny.1k.ru/IbUpy http://twitter.com/brafh/status/8109862101716992 http://twitturk.com/tweet/search?q=lol 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/brafh/status/8109862101716992 @zehra_ozcan http://twitter.com/zehra_ozcan D88Miller GibsGaldino RT I_DOLLA: Kim lol RT BigHomie_: Nicki Minaj or Lil Kim in a fight WhoYaGot http://oyu.iz.rs/fGwaG http://twitter.com/YrnbAdi_Dhaama/status/8109813330345984 http://twitturk.com/tweet/search?q=lol 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/YrnbAdi_Dhaama/status/8109813330345984 @I5IL http://twitter.com/I5IL sexspeaking a shit. So... If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em. RT The100KShow: LadyBlogga lol you endorsing that! http://nofj.hn.cx/r1jvr http://twitter.com/dqbajBSB/status/8109804488753152 http://twitturk.com/tweet/search?q=lol 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/dqbajBSB/status/8109804488753152 @Melek_Ulker http://twitter.com/Melek_Ulker nciku honeku Pompam1016 RT KnockOWTdiva: Rhianna sounds like a lamb$$ lol on what song? http://gux.ah.sg/xlzaw 26/11/10 12:49:01 http://twitter.com/ManiSvitheick/status/8109799736614912 -- Furkan Kuru -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com
Re: [twitter-dev] Ultimately send my twitter followers direct messages from my application
Thomas are there restrictions on what/how many direct messages can be sent? I haven't been paying attention with twitter for a while but I thought twitter banned automatic direct messages. Thanks in advance, Dean I think what you described is exactly right. You're looking for an app that users can authorize with using OAuth. Once they're redirected back to your site (part of the OAuth process), you can create a user account for them locally and ask them to follow your Twitter account. Because they've authorized your application, when they agree to follow you, you can use the /friendships/create API method on their behalf. Relevant API documentation: http://dev.twitter.com/pages/auth http://dev.twitter.com/doc/post/friendships/create Dialflow wrote: Hi: I was wondering if any one could suggest an elegant approach to ultimately sending direct messages to my Twitter followers from my application. I'd like people that join web site to do the following: From their member page on my site, I'd like for them to click a Twitter follow button, go to Twitter, follow me, then return to their member page on my site. After they do this, I want capture their twitter ID and associate it with their user account on my site so I can send them direct messages from my application. I'd really appreciate an elegant approach to solving this. I guess I'm looking for an answer like: Use oAuth to have the user authorize your app on Twitter, then redirect redirect back to your app, click a twittter follow button, and extract their Twitter ID from x_file and then My days of programming are way behind me so I hope that makes some sense. Thanks so much. Curtis -- Thomas Mango tsma...@gmail.com -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] What can this error be about?
Lol - deancollins http://twitter.com/deancollins is not an Honest follower! You might need a bit of an explanation on what this means as I imagine a lot of people are going to search their own name and have the same reaction I did...not honest? Wtf? Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net mailto:d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rushikesh Bhanage Sent: Monday, 16 August 2010 7:43 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] What can this error be about? Hi there, We have developed an app (you can see http://honestfollowers.com), in which user can search for his honest followers. I have successfully tested this for users having up to 5k followers. But when I search with users having greater than 5k followers (like 'imishant', 'ashabhosle' etc), I get below error : Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/rohit25/public_html/honestfollowers.com/get_data.php on line 356 Above error probably is encountered due to the foreach loop we are using stops receiving data. I tried searching the same account (imishant) few hours ago and the operation was crawled and executed completely. So I am confused whether this is a problem from Twitter's side or not. I have tested my app with many other accounts and many get executed completely but some don't and those are mostly accounts with more than 15k followers. Also those which displays error gets executed completely when searched on different point of time. So is this a problem from Twitter's side? Does Twitter API sometimes break operation if when sending huge chunks of data? What solution you suggest to fetch and execute such amount of data? No doubt site is perfectly running for users having below 2k, 3k followers. P.S: We have white listed Twitter Account! Thank you in advance!
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Post Problem
Lol yep, our www.LiveWorldCupChat.com server gets hit up whenever a CHurl is posted about 10-20 times. Anyone know of someone building a list of ip addresses/bot names that can safely ignored etc? That would be something I'd pay to subscribe to. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development- t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of @epc Sent: Friday, 2 July 2010 12:26 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Post Problem On Jul 2, 6:34 am, Chandrashekhar cpmah...@gmail.com wrote: Whenever I post data with any URL twitter automatically executes/ invoke that url during posting process. I dont want to invoke posted data content URL by twitter. Then you should not post those URLs to twitter. Any URL posted to twitter is going to get retrieved quickly, either by twitter's services to verify the URL or by any of a million bots and services which appear to just like retrieving whatever is posted to twitter.
RE: [twitter-dev] Scheduled Twitter API Network Maintenance, June 16th @ 6-7:30 AM PDT 21
Guess the twitter technical team aren't soccer fans and follow baseball? Cheers, Dean Collins http://www.LiveWorldCUpChat.com -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development- t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BJ Weschke Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 9:45 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Cc: twitter-api-announce Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Scheduled Twitter API Network Maintenance, June 16th @ 6-7:30 AM PDT 21 A planned maintenance from 9-10:30A EDT and during one of the World Cup games? Wow. I hope it's really important. Taylor Singletary wrote: Hi Developers, A little late notice, but just wanted to make sure you've all seen what was posted on the Twitter status blog a bit earlier: MAINTENANCE ACTION: - We'll be working with our network provider to perform some tests and maintenance. During this time you can expect a high rate of errors (whales) DATE/TIME WINDOW: - June 16th @ 6-7:30 AM PDT AFFECTED RESOURCES: --- Twitter.com and* Api.twitter.com http://Api.twitter.com* * * *Might be a bit bumpy this morning, but intentionally so.* * *Taylor Singletary Developer Advocate, Twitter http://twitter.com/episod
RE: [twitter-dev] Kwwika - World Cup Web Development competition announced using Twitter World Cup data
Hi Phil, Check out the twitter integration with www.LiveWorldCupChat.com if that's what you want. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development- t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Leggetter Sent: Saturday, 12 June 2010 11:13 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Kwwika - World Cup Web Development competition announced using Twitter World Cup data Hello all! I'm working on a project called Kwwika which allows anybody to add real-time push functionality to your website. To try and get people developing using Kwwika we've decided to create a competition that will hopefully encourage web developers to sign up for the opportunity of winning an Apple iPad. The reason I'm messaging the group is that the majority of data that we are using is from the Twitter streaming API, something a lot of you may be familiar with. The purpose of the competition is to see who can build the most engaging real-time push World Cup 2010 web application. More details can be found in the following locations: * Blog post announcment: http://blog.kwwika.com/kwwika-world-cup-2010-real- time-push-web-app * Kwwika Wiki with competition details: http://wiki.kwwika.com/competitions/world-cup-2010-real-time-push-web-ap p- competition * A real-time push World Cup demo created to give people an idea of what can be built: http://kwwika.com/Standalone/Demos/WorldCup2010/#SouthAfrica If you have any questions or idea please feel free to get in touch with me via p...@kwwika.com Thanks, Phil Leggetter
RE: [twitter-dev] tco crawler details
Of course it is. Twitter were asked what defines a bad site on the second day but I haven't seen a reply apart from more questions about who is making the choice, eg will pornography be classed as bad, will religious free speech be classed as bad. I don't think the Twitheads thought through what it means to now offer an aol version of the web and the long term responsibilities that this entails through implicit guarantees to their users. Of course Ken you don't expect them to publish their ip address list do youotherwise some smartass would route this ip address to a clean site and everyone else to the bad content. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net mailto:d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Adams Sent: Friday, 11 June 2010 6:00 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] tco crawler details t.co is not a crawler; Are you referring to the URL unpacking process or something else? -john On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Ken k...@cimas.ch wrote: If tco is to be the new three-letter agency and gatekeeper, we would like to treat it nice and whitelist its crawler. If tco is inadvertantly blocked, what happens? I do not know if we have already been checked by tco as I have not sent or received a dm with one of our own URLs. What are the user-agent and IP addresses used by this crawler? Does it check robots.txt? And since, for some, a tco thumbsdown could be a problem, is there a (speedy) appeals process?
RE: [twitter-dev] If your IP gets blacklisted
I otherwords we're happy to screw with your time as we don't care about you... I think Chris Dixon nailed it in his recent comments about Twitter. -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development- t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark McBride Sent: Saturday, 29 May 2010 4:58 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] If your IP gets blacklisted We're working on a project internally that will greatly reduce the number of false positives on blacklisting. Right now it's really tough to match up IPs and applications, and therefore difficult to figure out who we would contact about blacklisting. Once our internal project is complete we should have a pretty easy way to match IPs with apps, which should in turn allow us to be better about warning/notification when we do blacklist IPs. The troubleshooting steps you listed here are good ones in the meantime. ---Mark http://twitter.com/mccv On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Tim Haines tmhai...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, Wanted to share a few details about last nights experience in case anyone else gets hit with it. Hopefully it can save you a few hours troubleshooting if it happens to you. Favstar's IP address was blacklisted by twitter yesterday. When this occurs, they don't inform you of it. Instead, you start seeing percentage of your requests blocked. Not all of them, just some of them. For me it varied between the 50% and 80% range. In the way I do my logging, these appeared as timeouts, so at first I thought the API was suffering overload, and when @mccv told me there was no overload, I fell in to trap of trying to diagnose either what was wrong with my server, or what was wrong with the network in between. What I should have done, is ran a curl in verbose mode (-v). This tells you that your connections are being refused: ~/current: curl -i -u my_account:fuuu! http://api.twitter.com/1/account/rate_limit_status.json -v * About to connect() to api.twitter.com port 80 (#0) * Trying 128.242.240.157... Connection refused * Trying 168.143.161.29... Connection refused * Trying 168.143.162.45... Connection refused * Trying 128.121.146.109... connected snip correct/incorrect response When I tried this from another server, my connections were never refused. When I tried this from the blacklisted server, I would see something like the above. Sometimes I'd get a successful response, sometimes I'd get curl: (52) Empty reply from server which googling for is useless, and sometimes I'd get curl: (7) couldn't connect to host. If you'd like to see Twitter make a reasonable attempt to notify 3rd parties when they are blacklisted, please vote on this issue: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/detail?id=1658 Cheers, Tim.
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING
Dewald, it's because you have amateurs running the zoo that are learning as they go. Honestly my opinion is that it's Twitters rights to change the rules as they go - it's their network and their right to do so, but it's also my right as an investor in application development to not invest any more time or money on Twitter until they bring in a management layer that has experience I building ecosystems and knows how to encourage sustainable development. Can you imagine if salesforce pulled a stunt like this? Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development- t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Monday, 24 May 2010 9:27 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING Liz, You are 100% correct in summarizing the problem. Not only were those businesses built with the full knowledge of Twitter, Twitter even had specific rules governing sponsored tweets (had to be clearly marked as sponsored, etc.). I'm really baffled by this decision of Twitter, because I don't understand how they expect to have integrity and trust with developers while doing this type of stuff. Right now we are all being pointed to Annotations as the holy grail of new development. But how do we know that they won't yet again change a rule in the future that will kill businesses that were built on top of Annotations? On May 24, 3:56 pm, Liz nwjersey...@gmail.com wrote: Peter, I think the problem is that business have been created, received funding and developed over the past year, with the full knowledge of Twitter, and this just undercuts destroys them. I think people can understand the rationale (and the desire for Twitter to eliminate competition) but this is a policy decision that should have been made over a year ago. Twitter should have included this in an earlier terms of service instead of giving an implicit okay to services like Sponsored Tweets which has turned into a successful company. It also seems disingenuous that the blog post says that a guiding principle of Twitter is that We don't seek to control what users tweet. And users own their own tweets. and allow adult-oriented content and photos but for some reason, users can't Tweet ads. That sounds like control of content to me. Liz
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING
Taylor - any reason why you aren't posting the direct url for the twitter page? Seem suspect you don't want to be nailed down in a google cache on the specifics? Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development- t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Taylor Singletary Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 6:21 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING Hello Everyone, We recently updated our Advertising FAQ to answer many of the questions that you may have. http://bit.ly/twitter-ad-faq Taylor On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Liz nwjersey...@gmail.com wrote: I hope some answers are forthcoming, James. Twitter doesn't seem very talkative.
RE: [twitter-dev] Oauth authenticated user
This question has been raised before. We have the same issue for our sports chat sites. I would have preferred to have the user log in each time an oauth request is made as it's frustrating when people contat us at support because their in chat twitter posts aren't appearing only to find the posts are being made but to someone else twitter accounts who was using the computer before and even though the browser was closed Twitter automatically sued this account when we sent the oauth requests. It's a big problem and a choice should be offered to the developer to force logout before an oauth call if this is the process flow they want to implement. Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of srikanth reddy Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:46 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Oauth authenticated user I do not think forcing the user to logout is a good idea. Isn't this a security breach? Twitter will any how ask the user to signout if the user does not wish to connect to your app with the logged in account.Then he will be shown the login page and after successful authentication user will be redirected back to your app (like normal flow) On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Gary Zukowski ga...@tweetmyjobs.com wrote: So there's no way to automatically do this? I have to ask the user to log out? Thanks, Gary Zukowski TweetMyJOBS.com @garyzukowski @tweetmyjobs 704-544-9370 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From: Roee A. [mailto:roe...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:28 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Oauth authenticated user add to your code If you are not user name please log out. Then you will connect him again with the right credentials. Regards, On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Gary Zukowski ga...@tweetmyjobs.com wrote: What does adf mean? I want to force the logout and present the Twitter login when doing the authentication Thanks, Gary Zukowski TweetMyJOBS.com @garyzukowski @tweetmyjobs 704-544-9370 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From: Roee Aizman [mailto:roe...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:41 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Oauth authenticated user U can adf the if you are not user name log out Then log again with his righr cridentials Sent by IPhone On 19/05/2010, at 14:28, Gary Zukowski ga...@tweetmyjobs.com wrote: How do I force a user to log in to Twitter during the Oauth dance, even though he/she may already be logged in to Twitter via the web? Our users may have more than one Twitter account they want to authenticate/register, and I want to make sure they are forced to put the correct credentials, and not just click accept for the currently logged in account. Thanks, Gary Zukowski -- Roee Aizman, CTO E: roe...@gmail.com M: +972-542345222 Amigos-Online.com Friends have never been so close
RE: [twitter-dev] How do we deal with application's Consumer secret in real life
Is there any reason why each developer who takes the source code cant apply for their own keys? We did this for MyPostButler in the old version, there was a space for each user to enter in their own consumer key/consumer secret right in the main panel. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of yvolk Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:01 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] How do we deal with application's Consumer secret in real life I'm a member of the AndTweet project creating Open Source Twitter client for Google Android (http://code.google.com/p/andtweet/), and now I'm starting to implement OAuth for the AndTweet mobile application. I've already registered AndTweet and got, among others, the Consumer key and Consumer secret. According to the Twitter documentation (http://dev.twitter.com/pages/ auth), I should Remember to never reveal your consumer secrets. Please note this: 1. Our project is open, so everybody can join it and see it's source code. 2. As OAuth documentation states (http://hueniverse.com/2008/10/ beginners-guide-to-oauth-part-iii-security-architecture/): --- Quote start However, when the Consumer is a desktop application, a mobile application, or any other client-side software such as browser applets (Flash, Java, Silverlight) and scripts (JavaScript), the Consumer credentials must be included in each copy of the application. This means the Consumer Secret (or Private Key) must be distributed with the application, which inheritably compromises them. This does not prevent using OAuth within such application, but it does limit the amount of trust Service Provider can have in such public secrets. Since the secrets cannot be trusted, Service Provider must treat such application as unknown entities and use the Consumer identity only for activities that do not require any level of trust, such as collecting statistics about applications --- Quote end --- So, how does our development group is supposed to work with this secrets? Can we just inject them in the source code? (In this case everybody will know them... but as long as everybody has the Source code, figuring out the values of the secrets even in compiled application is not a problem...) What Consumer key and Consumer secret should we use for testing? ... Thank you for the feedback!
RE: [twitter-dev] RE: FW Twitter Support
will make sure we do so in order to provide more clarity up front. In the end, we do not tolerate spammy behavior from users or from apps that enable it. Most everyone in the ecosystem builds app that add great net value and we would much rather be spending our time helping them then having to police bad behavior. I am happy to answer any policy questions or provide more context around how we make the decisions we make. We are also always looking to improve the process around how we interact and communicate with developers (like suspension notices including exact reasons for suspension) so please let us know any constructive ways that we can improve that and provide more clarity and certainty to you. Ryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:57 PM, John Meyer john.l.me...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/26/2010 1:37 PM, Dean Collins wrote: John, Nope, Dossy is pretty much on the money, I don't care about the money and I'd prefer to see people using it rather than let it die. Basically I'm a little over twitter and their amateur approaches to certain things. I'd be the first person lining up to pay my $20 a month or whatever for real commercial accounts with real support one on one support contacts 9eg something goes wrong you call the person you dealt with alst time so as not to explain everything again).. you'll get no arguments that the support needs to be improved just a little. The fact that I'm shocked that you even got an explanation shows me just how much work needs to be done. But let's look at the site promoting your program, which I think you're promoting through http://www.mypostbutler.com/ . According to what you posted, one of the reasons your app got denied because of bulk unfollowing. Well, on your site you use the words Bulk unfollow users. You may have explained it in your message, but you did not add an explanation to the fact that you have to manually check their names in order to undelete. And then there's your first paragraph: Do You understand the difference between a web based Twitter tool that can make 150 API calls an hour for a single Twitter account and a dedicated Twitter .Net application running directly on your computer that can make 20,000 API calls an hour across multiple accounts? Ignoring the fact that this paragraphs hits people over the head with the difference between 150 and 2 (aka a beigelist and a whitelist), it dosen't make sense. Why woulddn't a web site built upon twitter not whitelist their own ip address particularly if they have multiple twitter accounts? And you also mentioned MLM schemes closeby, if only in the negative. Who exactly is buying your product that you need to mention that? Maybe this will do nothing, but I'd frame that into a legal (according to twitter's rules) use. For instance, you might mention families who have multiple twitterers but only one IP address. Kinda frustrating to get on a computer after a sibling is hogging it only to realize that they have to wait an hour to tweet. -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: countdown to OAuth / basic auth removal / OAuthcalypse
One solution, which I know won't win the popularity prize, is for Twitter to relax its XAuth restrictions and allow web apps to use full OAuth and/or XAuth, depending on what works best for them. In my case, I will still use full OAuth because it's so much better than dealing with Twitter credential issues. But, I will add a small link below the Twitter authorize button on my site that says something like, Can't get to Twitter.com? which then leads to a username- password entry form, and then triggers an XAuth authorization. unfortunately, this defeats the purpose of oauth :( http://mehack.com/xauth-and-perhaps-the-need-for-socializing-ap -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team http://twitter.com/raffi But for a desktop client it doesn't really matter now does it? I'm still not buying it that oauth is going add any value for desktop clients with regards to password security. Basically you are now storing token in the desktop client instead of password. Same difference if you are worried about the end users pc getting hacked. Cheers, Dean -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
RE: [twitter-dev] Weird @Anywhere issue when logging into Twitter
From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Taylor Singletary Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:00 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Weird @Anywhere issue when logging into Twitter We know of some issues right now with redirection and authorization. We're working on untangling the big bag of Christmas lights. Hope to have things ship-shape soon. Taylor Singletary Developer Advocate, Twitter http://twitter.com/episod Lol - nice metaphor. Thanks for the update. Cheers, Dean -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: countdown to OAuth / basic auth removal / OAuthcalypse
-Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Meyer Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:48 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: countdown to OAuth / basic auth removal / OAuthcalypse On 4/26/2010 8:43 AM, jaronbarends wrote: @raffi thanks for your replies. I didn't mean to start a discussion about Twitter's policy here (although I can imagine some people would like to discuss it elsewhere). I'm mostly interested in finding a solution. @dean: I'm not sure I understand your suggestion about using oAuth for both the desktop and the web app. Did you mean letting the users allow access through the desktop app, then storing the username/token combination in a central database and using that database for the web app too? That wouldn't work for me since I do not have a desktop app, end I do not store anything in a database... no I think he meant that you can use the oAuth for EITHER the desktop or the web. You wouldn't even need to store the username; just the token and the token_secret. And the database can be anything from an actual RDBMS to a text file stored on the server (although with the fact that almost every web host that you pay for provides at least MySQL and the fact that text files are notoriously insecure you should be thinking about upgrading). Yeh but John, who is going to install MySQL for a desktop client? You're still thinking webapps instead of desktop (yes I realize I'm in the minority here). Cheers, Dean -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
FW: #959889 Twitter Support: update on FW: [twitter-dev] Re: My applications were Suspended
Hmmm really? Breaks the rules by encouraging people to have more than one account - Please explain how/why? How is my app any different from any other successful twitter app? Bulkunfollow? Really? You still have to select every user to undelete manually - it's not like they just disappear if they don't follow you after 5 days or similar. Did you guys actually review the app? And yes I would have posted it to the helpdesk BUT you already deleted my ticket before I was able to log in again. Here we have proof that twitter intends to muscle developers with one throat to snap once oauth is in place. Be warned sheep. Cheers, Dean From: truebe [mailto:notifications-supp...@twitter.zendesk.com] Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:23 PM To: Dean Collins Subject: #959889 Twitter Support: update on FW: [twitter-dev] Re: My applications were Suspended ## Please do not write below this line ## Ticket #959889: FW: [twitter-dev] Re: My applications were Suspended http://help.twitter.com/tickets/959889 truebe, Apr 26 10:22 am (PDT): Hello, As it stands your application is in violation of our Automation Rules (http://help.twitter.com/forums/10711/entries/76915) in regards to auto-following by keyword and bulk unfollowing. Moreover, it promotes serial account creation (for the purposes of auto-following) which is in violation of The Twitter Rules (http://help.twitter.com/forums/26257/entries/18311). As such if you were to register it for OAuth we would unfortunately have to deactivate its API access. However as you have until June 30th before Basic Authentication is deprecated this allows plenty of time to work with us to develop an application that will not violate our rules. Hope this helps. Regards, Brian API Policy Dean Collins, Apr 23 12:57 pm (PDT): Brian, I wasn't going to bother but seeing you seem such a reasonable guy on the list I'll ask. Is www.MyPostButler.com going to get killed once I develop oauth authentication for it? At the moment using basic auth you can only turn off users who use it inappropriately, but I'm guessing (and have stated on the list) this is the beginning of the end for all Twitter apps that blur the lines - so basically I'm thinking of killing development and releasing the source code freely or if you are taking a reasonable approach that guns dont kill people-people kill people then I'll go to the effort of incorporating oauth into it. Balls in your court. Cheers, Dean Collins www.Cognation.net -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Truebe Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:29 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: My applications were Suspended Yes, the email that is sent out after an application is suspended does explain possible rule violations. This email is sent to the account that registered the application, so if you've registered an app with an auxiliary account not tied to an email address you check regularly then an app suspension may come as a rather unfortunate surprise. While there is no sandbox, we're very open to discussing any concerns an app developer may have while they develop their app. The best course of action is to read the rules first while developing. If you're still worried a feature you're developing may result in your users being suspended our your entire app being suspended then you can always email us at a...@twitter.com and we'll be happy to work with you to ensure the longevity of your application. I hope this helps. -Brian On Apr 23, 11:37 am, John Meyer john.l.me...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/23/2010 10:58 AM, Brian Truebe wrote: My name is Brian Truebe and I am on the API Policy team, when apps are suspended they are sent a notice as to how to contest the suspension, however this may have gotten lost in the tubes. Please email a...@twitter.com and let us know the app name and we'll see if we can sort this out. Sorry for the inconvenience. Regards, Brian One question: does the e-mail have an explanation about why the application was suspended in the first place (you mention how to contest the suspension but nothing about what the suspension is about). And is there some way to create a sandbox for suspended apps where they can re-test to see if they are in compliance with the rules before going out into the real world Twitterverse? -- Subscription settings:http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscri be?hl=en -- Review the status of your request and add additional comments here: help.twitter.com/tickets/959889 This email is a service from Twitter Support
RE: [twitter-dev] RE: FW Twitter Support
John, Nope, Dossy is pretty much on the money, I don't care about the money and I'd prefer to see people using it rather than let it die. Basically I'm a little over twitter and their amateur approaches to certain things. I'd be the first person lining up to pay my $20 a month or whatever for real commercial accounts with real support one on one support contacts 9eg something goes wrong you call the person you dealt with alst time so as not to explain everything again).. At the end of the day I think this oauth is a ballsup, why change now when 2.0 is around the corner. Why change now when you just found out everyone in china is going to be cut off. Basically I'm exiting the twitter dance, last one out turn off the lights. I'm off to Friendster :) Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Meyer Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 3:26 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] RE: FW Twitter Support On 4/26/2010 1:18 PM, Andrew Badera wrote: Though I've disagreed with Dean's use and means of promoting of his app since Day One, I hardly think his message rises to the level of threat. I think there's enough misinformation, disinformation, irritation and anger floating around this list these days that the last thing anyone needs is gratuitous drama, particularly on behalf of someone NOT employed by Twitter and NOT directly addressed by Dean's communication and possible intent of said communication. Here's what I saw it boil down to: Dean saying that if Twitter doesn't like his application and won't approve it because they think that it's spamming or churning, he'll just open source it let others try to whitelist his app under their name. I doubt it will work (unless Dean thinks that they're going after him personally I don't see how others will get approved on the same app just because the name's changed), but it's almost like you'll whitelist this app one way or another. Your choice. -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: countdown to OAuth / basic auth removal / OAuthcalypse
Jaron, Why not use oAuth on a desktop client as well as the web client? This way your Chinese users can still use the app? We are thinking of enabling oauth for MyPostButler in the same format but haven't decided if it's worth the effort until we get the all clear from twitter they wont kill the application once we move to oauth.. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jaronbarends Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:50 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: countdown to OAuth / basic auth removal / OAuthcalypse I moved my web based app from basic auth to oAuth just last week. I subsequently got several pleas from Chinese users to put the old version back up, as they could no longer use my app, since access to Twitter.com is blocked in China. This issue has discussed in this group before here: https://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/39b8b326d8b679c6 Being a frontend developer, I may have misunderstood the outcome of that discussion (I certainly hope so). But from Raffi's last comment there (understood, but, right now, not in the plan. web apps will have to use the standard oauth workflow.) I understand that web app users in countries like China where twitter is blocked will simply no longer be able to use Twitter via the web. Have I understood this correctly? If not, how can I make sure users in blocked countries can still use my web app? If my users can no longer use my app, what do you suggest I recommend them? Jaron On Apr 24, 5:40 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: hi all. you're going to be hearing a lot from me over the next 9 weeks. our plan is to turn off basic authorization on the API by june 30, 2010 -- developers will have to switch over to OAuth by that time. between now and then, there will be a *lot* of information coming along with tips on how to use OAuth Echo, xAuth, etc. we really want to make this transition as easy as we can for everybody. as always, please feel free to reach out to this group, or to @twitterapi directly. if you need help remembering the date -http://bit.ly/twcountdown . -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Teamhttp://twitter.com/raffi -- Subscription settings:http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
RE: [twitter-dev] My applications were Suspended
Yep Taylor yet again proving you are the antithesis of a developer advocate. From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Taylor Singletary Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:08 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] My applications were Suspended Take a look at our API Guidelines and see if there's anything your application may have been doing that could have been construed as not being in the spirit of the rules. http://bit.ly/twitter-api-terms Taylor Singletary Developer Advocate, Twitter http://twitter.com/episod On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Revabad lookst...@gmail.com wrote: My applications were suspended and none from twitter has given me a reason as to why. Can someone help me out. -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Can our twitter app call /oauth/revoke?
Robbie, totally agree. +1 Considering basic auth is being revoked in less than 45 days it seems twitter hasn't really thought this through. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Coleman Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:42 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Can our twitter app call /oauth/revoke? Here is why I think this *is* in fact useful: When you enter a room that is dark, you look for a light. To turn on this light, you usually look for a switch near this light. Later if you leave this room (and you're aware of green ideas..) you would probably want to turn off this light. Wouldn't you expect to be able to do this by going to that same switch and reverting it back to its previous state? I do not think it is a good user experience to provide them a means to connect from our site without providing them a means to revoke/remove this connection from the same place. Wouldn't you agree..? -- robbie On Apr 20, 6:36 pm, Abraham Williams 4bra...@gmail.com wrote: There is no oauth/revoke method. Personally I don't see much utility in one except for keeping /settings/connections less cluttered. Abraham On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 18:15, Robbie Coleman rob...@gravity.com wrote: I do not see it documented, and dev.twitter.com/doc is throwing 403's on searches, but I do see that your own http://twitter.com/settings/connections; Revoke Access links call this on the click event. I am trying to provide our users a clean UI for managing all of their OAuth enabled networks/sites, and twitter is one of those. Both Facebook and Google (their OAuth contact API) provide API calls to revoke a user's access_token/session_key. Thanks, Robbie Coleman Software Cleric Social Shaman Gravity -- Abraham Williams | Developer for hire |http://abrah.am PoseurTech Labs | Projects |http://labs.poseurtech.com This email is: [ ] shareable [x] ask first [ ] private. -- Subscription settings:http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Can our twitter app call /oauth/revoke?
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 13:32, Caliban Darklock cdarkl...@gmail.com wrote: It may seem stupid to revoke the access, but in a tiny minority of cases it may be clever, and for that reason alone you may want to consider including it. And what are those cases? If I was Twitter I would not provide such a case until some of those cases where presented. Abraham You already got provided those exaples you chose to steam roller over them. Basically same response when I said why restrict client apps runnign on desktops to oath if basic auth does the job and as a desktop client doesn't have the issues of web apps. Parroting the pr spin doesn't solve the problem. Cheers, Dean -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Basic Auth Deprecation
So basically you are saying Twitter wants a chokehold to block apps they don't like which you don't currently have with basic auth. Considering your recent purchase of a twitter client is that really a message you want to be spreading at the moment? How about leaving it up to end users to make the decision about which clients they do and don't use to access twitter. Restricting all clients to oauth only is hardly going to give developers warm and fuzzy feelings that with a single keystroke a client can be banned instantly across the entire ecosystem. Or am I missing something? Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raffi Krikorian Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:59 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Basic Auth Deprecation in my ideal world, nobody would have access to a user's password except twitter.com -- oauth provides a framework so end applications are not storing the actual password. people are notoriously bad with using the same password on lots of different sites. additionally, oauth provides twitter better visibility into the traffic coming into our system, so we can better shape traffic needs, we can provide auditing back to users on which applications are doing what actions on their behalf, etc. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Dean #39;at#39; Cognation dot Net d...@cognation.net wrote: But why is oauth better than basic for a desktop client? i understand it for the webapps but on a desktop client whats the point? Basically you are saying the desktop end user cant be trusted? Sorry but that doesn't make any sense. Please explain. Cheers, Dean On Apr 14, 1:15 am, Taylor Singletary taylorsinglet...@twitter.com wrote: Basic auto being turned off means just that.. Desktop clients can implement xAuth as an alternative, where you do a one-time exchange of login and password for an OAuth access token and continue from there signing your requests and doing things in the OAuth way. You'd no longer, as a best practice and one that I would stress in the upmost even on a desktop client, store the login and password beyond the xAuth access token negotiation step. If the token were revoked you would then query for the login and password again and so on and so on and also and also. Obtaining permission to use xAuth for desktop clients is as easy as sending a well-identified and verbose note to a...@twitter.com. Basic auth had a good run. It's nearly time to say goodnight. Taylor On Tuesday, April 13, 2010, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: Just so I understand this, applications running on the desktop will still work correct? Basic functionality is only being turned off for web apps correct? It's not like desktop apps will have to start using oauth. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:31 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Basic Auth Deprecation Could you please announce the hard turn off date somewhere on one of your Twitter blogs about a month ahead of time, so that we all have an official source to point our users to when we explain to them why we're converting everything over to OAuth? On Apr 13, 8:19 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: we have announced deprecation, and will hard turn off basic authentication in june. the exact date has not been set, but i presume it will be later in the month. Is Basic Auth going to be deprecated (as in hard switched-off) in June, or are you in June going to announce depracation, with the hard switch-off then coming a few months later? -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Teamhttp://twitter.com/raffi -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject. -- Taylor Singletary Developer Advocate, Twitterhttp://twitter.com/episod- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team http://twitter.com/raffi
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Basic Auth Deprecation
Raffi, Twitter (corporate) are hardly in a position to start demanding the rights to kill client apps at the moment. But the sheep will head off to the slaughter without realizing whats happening to them as they go. I think it's time for me to pass on developing twitter apps. Anyone who wants to make me an offer for www.MyPostButler.com http://www.mypostbutler.com/ can do so now otherwise I'll be putting it up for sale on one of the auction sites by Friday. Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raffi Krikorian Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:08 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Basic Auth Deprecation again - overly dramatic. everything i said above still stands - it provides transparency into the traffic that applications generate (potentially audit trails for users, better ways to squelch spammy apps, etc.), as well as provides some security in that user's passwords are not being sent in the clear. you can easily look for other examples of people using oauth for similar situations - google is using oauth to allow applications access to mail, etc. So basically you are saying Twitter wants a chokehold to block apps they don't like which you don't currently have with basic auth. Considering your recent purchase of a twitter client is that really a message you want to be spreading at the moment? How about leaving it up to end users to make the decision about which clients they do and don't use to access twitter. Restricting all clients to oauth only is hardly going to give developers warm and fuzzy feelings that with a single keystroke a client can be banned instantly across the entire ecosystem. Or am I missing something? Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raffi Krikorian Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:59 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Basic Auth Deprecation in my ideal world, nobody would have access to a user's password except twitter.com -- oauth provides a framework so end applications are not storing the actual password. people are notoriously bad with using the same password on lots of different sites. additionally, oauth provides twitter better visibility into the traffic coming into our system, so we can better shape traffic needs, we can provide auditing back to users on which applications are doing what actions on their behalf, etc. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Dean #39;at#39; Cognation dot Net d...@cognation.net wrote: But why is oauth better than basic for a desktop client? i understand it for the webapps but on a desktop client whats the point? Basically you are saying the desktop end user cant be trusted? Sorry but that doesn't make any sense. Please explain. Cheers, Dean On Apr 14, 1:15 am, Taylor Singletary taylorsinglet...@twitter.com wrote: Basic auto being turned off means just that.. Desktop clients can implement xAuth as an alternative, where you do a one-time exchange of login and password for an OAuth access token and continue from there signing your requests and doing things in the OAuth way. You'd no longer, as a best practice and one that I would stress in the upmost even on a desktop client, store the login and password beyond the xAuth access token negotiation step. If the token were revoked you would then query for the login and password again and so on and so on and also and also. Obtaining permission to use xAuth for desktop clients is as easy as sending a well-identified and verbose note to a...@twitter.com. Basic auth had a good run. It's nearly time to say goodnight. Taylor On Tuesday, April 13, 2010, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: Just so I understand this, applications running on the desktop will still work correct? Basic functionality is only being turned off for web apps correct? It's not like desktop apps will have to start using oauth. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Tuesday
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Basic Auth Deprecation
Just so I understand this, applications running on the desktop will still work correct? Basic functionality is only being turned off for web apps correct? It's not like desktop apps will have to start using oauth. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:31 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Basic Auth Deprecation Could you please announce the hard turn off date somewhere on one of your Twitter blogs about a month ahead of time, so that we all have an official source to point our users to when we explain to them why we're converting everything over to OAuth? On Apr 13, 8:19 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: we have announced deprecation, and will hard turn off basic authentication in june. the exact date has not been set, but i presume it will be later in the month. Is Basic Auth going to be deprecated (as in hard switched-off) in June, or are you in June going to announce depracation, with the hard switch-off then coming a few months later? -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Teamhttp://twitter.com/raffi -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
RE: [twitter-dev] Storing information from the API
Come on Andy, he’s asking the Twitter Dev list , a highly appropriate place to ask if he couldn’t find the answer elsewhere. Hardly random strangers, this question must have come up before. Regards, Dean Collins Live Chat Concepts Inc d...@livechatconcepts.com mailto:d...@livechatconcepts.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 01:43, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: Have you read the EULA(s) ? In legal matters it's usually best to do your own footwork on the fine print first and foremost, rather than trusting a list of Internet strangers. ∞ Andy Badera ∞ +1 518-641-1280 Google Voice ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private ∞ Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew%20badera On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:56 PM, P L homerthesimp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to a pull in a user's profile picture and use it as their profile picture on my site. Am I allowed to store the URL in my database (until the user deletes the account/removes the image)? Or are there terms in the Twitter API which suggests that I'm not allowed to store information obtained from the API? Thanks -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject. -- Abraham Williams | Community Advocate | http://abrah.am PoseurTech Labs | Projects | http://labs.poseurtech.com This email is: [ ] shareable [x] ask first [ ] private.
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)
But raffi why do you have to break the old to offer the new? Basically I've just updated MyPostButler to work again after your last unannounced changed the Thursday evening before a holiday break only to open my email this morning and see you are going to modify search api yet again in some undetermined period of time. I understand things need to change from time to time BUT why so often? Why cant you make the new changes opt-in rather than breaking all the previous applications already deployed out there. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development- t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raffi Krikorian Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2010 8:48 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Cc: Twitter Development Talk Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt- in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available) hi dewald. we obviously feel that users want the most relevant tweets first (the use of popular is unfortunate here). and the web interface of search.twitter.com has begun an evolution in that direction. it's still unclear what Twitter is going to do with the API (hence the silence), however, to go with your argument: time indexed search is, potentially, something a third party service could do. we do provide the streaming API to get much-better-than-search-real-time results. On Apr 6, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Raffi, Tweet id is a no-brainer. We understand that an linear incrementing number does not scale because at some point it must cycle back to 1. Search is a different animal. When I do a Twitter search, I expect your system to tell me what is *happening* right now. I am NOT expecting your system to tell me what is *popular* right now. This popular tweet thing is diluting and violating your entire mission of real-time. If I search for earthquake I want to see what is *happening* in real- time. I have no interest in seeing a 30-minute old tweet from @aplusk or @ev just because they are trusted accounts and the tweet is being retweeted a lot (to simplify the popularity algorithm). If people have a need to see popular tweets, you know what? That is an ideal service to be provided by a third-party developer/service. Twitter is real-time, and has defined real-time information. Stick to it. Don't dilute your mission. On Apr 6, 1:03 am, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: we have the developer advocate we want, but, of course, please feel free to reach out to taylor with your concerns and what you would like him to do to help you all out. i'm sure he would welcome the help. as for what's going on behind the scenes, i'll describe it out as so: - tweet ID generation - this is a pure scalability problem that lays at the heart of twitter being able to grow. unless i'm mistaken, in the end, a centralized way of generating tweet IDs that are strictly increasing by one does not scale. the method that we generate tweet IDs, and therefore the IDs themselves, will, almost probably, have to change. - popular tweets in search - twitter is increasingly being relied upon to be the place for relevant real-time information. most end-users would say that a time indexed search stream is not as valuable. as you all can probably tell, keeping a real time search index operational is hard enough, but imagine keeping a service running that is simultaneously delivering relevant results along with time indexed results. that's significantly harder. those are the issues facing us. as i said, please bear with us -- once we have weighed all these issues internally, we will of course, let everybody know. we've heard the concerns, but, if there are new ones, please let us know! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Orian Marx (@orian) or...@orianmarx.comwrote: Raffi, one of the things that really stands out for me in what you are saying here is that there are lots of moving pieces that the team is trying to align quickly. The question is, who and what is dictating the schedule? I get the sense that all the recent changes are parts of a bigger picture plan for Twitter, but the reality is that Twitter HQ has not conveyed a real sense of this bigger picture to the developer community - and it certainly hasn't conveyed why these recent changes need to align quickly. So inevitably the situation at hand seems to be that some serious developer concerns effectively need to be pushed aside in order to meet some internal goals of Twitter that have not been made public. I can understand
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)
I think twitter forget that API developers are there customers as well, not end users. At the end of the day if this make my app unviable then you'll lose this development community as a developer and pretty improbable to ever get us back. I've never funded another application on the Adobe FMS platform after they dropped the 10 seat license and killed the business I funded 7 months of development on. they are dead to me - should I really be adding Twitter to that list? anyone here still developing apps for Friendster? Yes Twitter it can happen that fast. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development- t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2010 9:12 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available) Raffi, We obviously feel that users want the most relevant tweets first. Has this been determined and confirmed with user focus groups, or is this just an opinion that originated somewhere in a Twitter office or meeting room? I am one of those users, and I have just told you that I have no interest in seeing old tweets, regardless of how popular or relevant they deem to be by your algorithms. When I search Twitter (and I'm making this statement as a user of search.twitter.com, not as an API consumer) I want to see in real-time what is happening right now. That is why I am using search.twitter.com and not google.com for that purpose. If you're going to rather show relevant tweets, then I will instead use Google because their matching algorithms are far more advanced and mature. On Apr 6, 9:47 am, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: hi dewald. we obviously feel that users want the most relevant tweets first (the use of popular is unfortunate here). and the web interface of search.twitter.com has begun an evolution in that direction. it's still unclear what Twitter is going to do with the API (hence the silence), however, to go with your argument: time indexed search is, potentially, something a third party service could do. we do provide the streaming API to get much-better-than-search-real-time results. On Apr 6, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Raffi, Tweet id is a no-brainer. We understand that an linear incrementing number does not scale because at some point it must cycle back to 1. Search is a different animal. When I do a Twitter search, I expect your system to tell me what is *happening* right now. I am NOT expecting your system to tell me what is *popular* right now. This popular tweet thing is diluting and violating your entire mission of real-time. If I search for earthquake I want to see what is *happening* in real- time. I have no interest in seeing a 30-minute old tweet from @aplusk or @ev just because they are trusted accounts and the tweet is being retweeted a lot (to simplify the popularity algorithm). If people have a need to see popular tweets, you know what? That is an ideal service to be provided by a third-party developer/service. Twitter is real-time, and has defined real-time information. Stick to it. Don't dilute your mission. On Apr 6, 1:03 am, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: we have the developer advocate we want, but, of course, please feel free to reach out to taylor with your concerns and what you would like him to do to help you all out. i'm sure he would welcome the help. as for what's going on behind the scenes, i'll describe it out as so: - tweet ID generation - this is a pure scalability problem that lays at the heart of twitter being able to grow. unless i'm mistaken, in the end, a centralized way of generating tweet IDs that are strictly increasing by one does not scale. the method that we generate tweet IDs, and therefore the IDs themselves, will, almost probably, have to change. - popular tweets in search - twitter is increasingly being relied upon to be the place for relevant real-time information. most end-users would say that a time indexed search stream is not as valuable. as you all can probably tell, keeping a real time search index operational is hard enough, but imagine keeping a service running that is simultaneously delivering relevant results along with time indexed results. that's significantly harder. those are the issues facing us. as i said, please bear with us -- once we have weighed all these issues internally, we will of course, let everybody know
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)
Ha ha, love it. I feel sorry for other developers, for me personally I can walk away from my app at anytime as I see fit because I'm not reliant on any single project. lol MyPostButler (or MyTwitterButler as it was known back then) was given away for the first few months - It was just a byproduct for www.LiveBaseballChat.com - it was only when I was flooded for licenses I decided to charge for it. I guess I'm also at a disadvantage as I don't personally code anything and just pay other people to build apps for me so 'any' change is a pita on an roi basis. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development- t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2010 9:42 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available) Dean, sarcasm lines line rel=meSome developers have too much time on their hands./ line lineSo, Twitter make these changes to give them something to do so that they can STFU on these forums, because they are too busy chasing the latest API mod./line /lines /sarcasm On Apr 6, 10:14 am, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: But raffi why do you have to break the old to offer the new? Basically I've just updated MyPostButler to work again after your last unannounced changed the Thursday evening before a holiday break only to open my email this morning and see you are going to modify search api yet again in some undetermined period of time. I understand things need to change from time to time BUT why so often? Why cant you make the new changes opt-in rather than breaking all the previous applications already deployed out there. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
RE: [twitter-dev] api stability vs. risk
Talking to twitter is like talking to a brick wall. I've just fired up www.MyPostButler.com http://www.mypostbutler.com/ and it looks like it's broken. To be honest I don't know if it's worth fixing it - this changing stuff around on a whim is BS. Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aral Balkan Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 12:06 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] api stability vs. risk Hear, hear - all for locked down APIs and strict versioning. :) +1 Aral Sent from my iPhone On 2 Apr 2010, at 17:02, Isaiah Carew isa...@me.com wrote: A while back I was frustrated with an OS library method that had a well known quirk that never got fixed. When I cornered an engineer at a dev conference he told me something profound: Once an API has been released it's locked in. It's being used by tens of thousands of apps and millions of users. Changing the behavior in any way, even to improve it, is likely to hurt more than it helps. Last night Twitter added a new field to the search results. I use a publicly available JSON parser bolted on to MGTwitterEngine (both popular choices, I think), it had an odd trigger for detecting an early end of the Results dictionary and trying to fail gracefully. The new field triggered this condition. In other words, the lib author made a bad assumption. Fortunately a very easy bug to find and correct (even at 2am). However, it brings me to my point: that the search results *did* change. They are to spec of course, and the JSON lib *should* have been flexible. But it wasn't. And there was little chance of anyone finding out until it affected everyone using my software. For once, I was grateful that I only have a few thousand users. But, doesn't every change have this potential? The potential of triggering a well hidden bug in a client that **is** popular and be hugely catastrophic. Am I wrong in thinking this? To make this critique a bit more constructive I'd offer some suggestions of what I see in other popular API: 1. Every change must be opted into or deprecated away. 2. Deprecation periods need to last for months, not days. 3. Version the endpoints to allow for a one-shot way to know which behavior to expect. 4. Document the version differences in the API docs. 5. Add a sandbox for clients to test new endpoints or new changes in a safe way. isaiah http://twitter.com/isaiah http://twitter.com/isaiah -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
RE: [twitter-dev] Twitter API Request to Get the List of Friends Who have not followed you back
www.mypostbutler.com does that, basically in the unfollow feature it separates out who follows you back or not you can then see who has no return love for you :( Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Wilcox Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:58 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Twitter API Request to Get the List of Friends Who have not followed you back There is no API endpoint for this. You will need to build it clientside yourself. Get your list of followers and friends and then compare. Scott. On 9 Mar 2010, at 10:51, Durrab wrote: Hello, My name is Durrab and I want Twitter to Provide one more API Request as those Friends who have not followed your. For Example: http://api.twitter.com/1/friends/notfollowed/ids.format Thanks Regards: Durrab
[twitter-dev] banned from search?
I just came across this article recently http://shegeeks.net/5-tips-to-avoid-being-filtered-from-twitter-search/ And read with interest this comment Did you know that Twitter http://twitter.com is beginning to filter out tweets from Twitter Search http://search.twitter.com ? The article suggests Head to Twitter search http://search.twitter.com/ . Enter the following in the search box: from:username, without the @ http://twitter.com/ symbol. For example: So I did so for my personal account and tweets are showing up http://search.twitter.com/search?q=from%3Adeancollins But the twitter account for my webapp for www.LiveNascarChat.com http://www.livenascarchat.com/ are not showing up? http://search.twitter.com/search?q=from%3Alivenascarchat Does this mean the account http://twitter.com/livenascarchat is banned from search and people searching for Nascar will not find it or am I missing something? Cheers, Dean
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: banned from search?
Great yet again the fact that twitter is a free service and doesn't offer commercial licenses bites us in the ass. Ticket filed. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sutorius Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 3:32 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: banned from search? The official help page relating to this is here: http://help.twitter.com/forums/10713-troubleshooting/entries/42646-i-can-t-find-my-tweets-in-twitter-search If you believe your account has been removed from search for one of the reasons mentioned and would like it put back, file a ticket (while logged in as the account) at http://bit.ly/twicket and our Support team will get back to you. Brian On Feb 19, 9:36 am, TJ Luoma luo...@luomat.net wrote: This has been a problem for months. Some people just don't have their tweets show up in search, ever. I reported one of these for a friend via getsatisfaction months ago. No change. On Feb 19, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: I just came across this article recentlyhttp://shegeeks.net/5-tips-to-avoid-being-filtered-from-twitter-search/ And read with interest this comment Did you know that Twitterhttp://twitter.comis beginning to filter out tweets from Twitter Search http://search.twitter.com? The article suggests Head to Twitter search http://search.twitter.com/. Enter the following in the search box: *from:username*, without the @http://twitter.com/symbol. For example: So I did so for my personal account and tweets are showing up http://search.twitter.com/search?q=from%3Adeancollins; But the twitter account for my webapp forwww.LiveNascarChat.comhttp://www.livenascarchat.com/are not showing up? http://search.twitter.com/search?q=from%3Alivenascarchat ; Does this mean the accounthttp://twitter.com/livenascarchatis banned from search and people searching for Nascar will not find it or am I missing something? Cheers, Dean
RE: [twitter-dev] Query About Direct Messages
Correct, only 250 dm's per account per day. So 50 messages per day to 5 people OR 1 message to 250 people..of course if you have multiple accounts Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Abraham Williams Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:02 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Query About Direct Messages My understanding is a single Twitter account can send up to 250 DMs per day. Abraham On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 04:09, kiran kumar kiran.nets...@gmail.com wrote: In Twitter,showing 250 per day limit.i want know to that,250 means message or 250 users.I want to develop a tool to send direct messages to my friends at a time.So,any body help me to solve my problem. Thank u. Kiran -- Abraham Williams | Community Advocate | http://abrah.am Project | Out Loud | http://outloud.labs.poseurtech.com This email is: [ ] shareable [x] ask first [ ] private. Sent from Seattle, WA, United States
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Mass account creation
From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Edward (Ed) Borasky Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:38 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Mass account creation But Twitter isn't intended to be an aggregator! Says you Ed, at the end of the day Twitter is whatever it's users intend it to be. If one of my friend buys those stupid scales that posts to twitter their weight everyday, I have the choice to follow or block. If you don't want the national automated weather service - simple don't follow. Cheers, Dean
RE: [twitter-dev] FW: de-latinisation of the web - http://blog.collins.net.pr/2009/12/de-latinisation-of-web.html
Lol you mean apart from how this url below looks like twitter.com, smells like twitter.com ...But aint Twitter.com :-) http://twittеr.com http://twittеr.com/ I don't know about you Abraham as you are far more experienced than I am, but if I run a web based application that relied heavily on urls and people would love to hack/phish for any number of reasons this would be something worth talking about (eg my developers today have implemented a series counter measures against non-latin text). But hey what do I know. I cant even code. Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Abraham Williams Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:38 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] FW: de-latinisation of the web - http://blog.collins.net.pr/2009/12/de-latinisation-of-web.html What does this have to do with the Twitter API other then the general connection to the internet? On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 23:53, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: UPDATE - This is really really bad - check out the paypal phishing example on my blog already using Cyrillic characters http://blog.collins.net.pr/2009/12/de-latinisation-of-web.html Please forward to everyone in a position to stop ICANN, i cant believe they didn't think of this in advance. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net mailto:d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -- Abraham Williams | Blog | http://the.hackerconundrum.com Project | Intersect | http://intersect.labs.poseurtech.com Hacker | http://abrah.am | http://twitter.com/abraham This email is: [ ] shareable [x] ask first [ ] private. Sent from Madison, WI, United States
[twitter-dev] FW: de-latinisation of the web - http://blog.collins.net.pr/2009/12/de-latinisation-of-web.html
UPDATE - This is really really bad - check out the paypal phishing example on my blog already using Cyrillic characters http://blog.collins.net.pr/2009/12/de-latinisation-of-web.html Please forward to everyone in a position to stop ICANN, i cant believe they didn't think of this in advance. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net mailto:d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).
RE: [twitter-dev] Basic Auth deprecation coming
How are they going to stop basic auth? If a website already have the username/passwords doesn't that mean they can log in on a users behalf until they change the password via the twitter.com website? Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Kennedy Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:12 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Basic Auth deprecation coming With Basic Auth deprecation coming in June 2010, will developers have a sand box way to use Basic Auth? I mean, it's handy to develop and understand code with Basic Auth, and then cut it over to oAuth. Any ideas?
RE: [twitter-dev] Tons of 502s
www.Twitter.com is down here from Time Warner in NY. Was funny because originally I thought it was me and something with my IP address because I was testing something out for my www.LiveFootballChat.com app when it stopped working and blocking all access to api and website. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: Dewald Pretorius [mailto:dpr...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 6:14 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Tons of 502s Twitter, are you aware that the API has been throwing tons of 502s on all calls since around 5:00 PM CST?
RE: [twitter-dev] Wrong default for setting start-up list to follow - how to undo follow all
www.MyPostButler.com http://www.mypostbutler.com/ allows you to unfollow people easily however if you delete more than 100 a dayTwitter could ban your account. Cheers, Dean From: Abraham Williams [mailto:4bra...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 3:29 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Wrong default for setting start-up list to follow - how to undo follow all You can use http://dossy.org/twitter/karma/ to mass unfollow everybody. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 19:39, RichardOnRails richarddummymailbox58...@uscomputergurus.com wrote: Hi, I just set up a new Twitter account. When it came to choose people to follow, I didn't want to follow any of the listed people, so clicked OK, Next or whatever. To my dismay, I found apparently all of the ones previously offered were attached to my nascent account. Moreover, un-following them is a slow and not always successful process. I started to delete my account but that process invited me to look around the site to see whether my issue had been addressed. I found nothing relevant beyond a link to this list. So ... 1. Recommendation: Make the default none of the listed items. Perhaps add a button captioned How to select people to follow. 2. Recommendation: Add a button captioned Empty my list of people to follow. (That would have solve my problem, today.) 3. Question. Will deleting my account and recreating it with the same user-name solve my problem? Thanks in Advance, Richard -- Abraham Williams | Community Evangelist | http://web608.org Hacker | http://abrah.am | http://twitter.com/abraham Project | Awesome Lists | http://twitterli.st This email is: [ ] blogable [x] ask first [ ] private. Sent from Madison, WI, United States
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Search Timed Out - need for commercial accounts with dedicated resources
I'd like to float an open discussion / dialog here.
How many developers are getting to the point where they are choosing
NOT to develop on the Twitter platform
And
If Twitter offered you a PAID commercial account which came with
dedicated access and dedicated support would this interest you.
For us personally we had a long serious discussion in the office this
week about dropping all of out Twitter functionality from our apps.
It's gotten to the stage it's just better to stick with Facebook
integration only instead of offering Twitter.
I'm trying to get a feel if we are the only developers feeling this
pain. Everytime I raise the issue with Twitter it's like - Well we only
have so many people or This is a free service.
BULLSHIT, it costs me my time and energy developing for you and if it's
better spent elsewhere on a paid service then I'm happy to take my time
and energy.
What are your thoughts?
Regards,
Dean Collins
Live Chat Concepts Inc
d...@livechatconcepts.com mailto:d...@livechatconcepts.com
+1-212-203-4357 New York
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
+44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).
-Original Message-
From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com
[mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
mikawhite
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:30 AM
To: Twitter Development Talk
Subject: [twitter-dev] Twitter Search Timed Out
The uptime of twitter search {API} has degraded to the point of making
our client app useless.
Hoping @twitter finds the issue soon.
[twitter-dev] Re: Very slow response with API from Slicehost
Any reason why the official status page wasn't updated? http://status.twitter.com/ Based on your last post it appears everything got fixed over the weekendwhich we all know it didn't. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Sarver Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:55 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Very slow response with API from Slicehost Guys, Thanks for the reports. We are aware of the elevated 50xs and are working hard to bring it back down to normal. I don't have a specific timeline that I can give at this point, but we'll update you regularly if this continues. I've update @twitterapi with the latest status as well: http://twitter.com/twitterapi/status/5047567434 As for the follow up regarding this weekends issue, we are still committed to giving that report, but we haven't gotten all the details yet. We will update the list when we can produce a full issue report. Thanks, Ryan On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Hwee-Boon Yar hweeb...@gmail.com wrote: Like I have mentioned privately to someone: Can I then make a next best suggestion that is most easy to implement and yet effective? It has been suggested more than once. Post an update to status.twitter.com. Even a short message. Give us something to retweet, to forward to users. If you want to know the impact on 3rd party developers, go to iTunes App Store on your iPhone (I assume you use one) and read the top few reviews for SimplyTweet. They mention performance problems and loading errors of SimplyTweet. snip. Tell me how this doesn't hurt us? Do you not agree that not posting updates under situations like this (where you know it has been under heavy load for a couple of days) reflects policy rather than lack of 3rd party developer support resources? If fact, I'll be blunt and say that this policy directly suggests to me, as a 3rd party developer, that Twitter doesn't care about us and is even letting us help shield Twitter from user complaints. -- Hwee-Boon On Oct 22, 12:29 am, Michael Steuer mste...@gmail.com wrote: No, seeing the same since Saturday. @rsarver said on Sunday morning he would post information to the group once they knew what was causing all this, but I guess 4 days later they still don't know, as we haven't heard anything... On 10/21/09 9:05 AM, RandyC bioscienceupda...@gmail.com wrote: I have been seeing enormous numbers of 502's and 500's for API calls from Qwest DSL business, Rackspace, and Amazon Cloud instances since Saturday through today. Working through the UI to log into accounts is equally painful with constant fail whales after two to three attempts. Seems like a couple of bad hair days so far and very difficult to get much done. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this unless we're the only ones affected.
[twitter-dev] Re: Problems Connecting to the API
Time Warner NYC Tracing route to twitter.com [168.143.162.116] 4 8 ms 8 ms 7 ms gig10-0-0-nycmnya-rtr1.nyc.rr.com [24.29.157.98] 5 7 ms 8 ms 5 ms tenge-0-3-0-nwrknjmd-rtr.nyc.rr.com [24.29.97.6] 6 6 ms 8 ms 7 ms ae-4-0.cr0.nyc30.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.78] 714 ms28 ms23 ms ae-4-0.cr0.dca20.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.28] 822 ms13 ms11 ms ae-1-0.pr0.dca10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.165] 923 ms17 ms18 ms if-11-1.icore1.AEQ-Ashburn.as6453.net [206.82.139.53] 1018 ms ** ix-2-8.icore1.AEQ-Ashburn.as6453.net [206.82.139.46] 1113 ms14 ms11 ms ae-2.r21.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.98] 1213 ms14 ms11 ms xe-6-1.r00.asbnva02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.29] 13 *** Request timed out. 1481 ms80 ms78 ms 129.250.6.242 1581 ms79 ms82 ms 128.121.150.133 1684 ms78 ms77 ms 168.143.162.85 1779 ms81 ms82 ms 168.143.162.116 Cheers, Dean
[twitter-dev] Re: Duplicate Tweets
Simple solution, have the robot tweet the time and date along with the 'advisory message'. This would be enough to get around twitters filters Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Lindsay Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:40 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Duplicate Tweets Can I suggest: A RepeatTweet API. Permit the delivery of marked duplicate tweets on the Twitter side, with an API to allow external apps/services to integrate it. The system could permit (and only permit) RepeatTweets with a DuplicateOf tag indicating the duplicated tweet, sent through the API. This would allow Search to filter out duplicates, and other apps could filter out duplicates that the user has already seen/marked as read. This would also allow external apps/services to provide the scheduling. RepeatTweets could be rate-limited (say 5 per 24h per account) to reduce spam. This would facilitate most of the usage cases I've read in this thread -- except emergency services, where duplicated tweets shouldn't be filtered out because the duplicate text refers to a new/changed condition. Perhaps a whitelist of such emergency services should be exempted from the exiting duplicate filters. Regards, Sean Lindsay On Oct 16, 5:01 pm, John Kalucki jkalu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about paygrade, but more than a few Twitter employees follow i80chains during the season. We hear you. I just don't know what to suggest be done about the situation.
[twitter-dev] api down?
Anyone having issues logging in for apps via the api but no issues at all using the twitter web site? What happened to twitter saying they were going to eat their own dog food and use a common system so that issues like this wouldn't happen. Cheers, Dean
[twitter-dev] RE: User-Authentication Services
Thought this might interest you guys as well. Anyone know of any deals being signed along these lines? Cheers, Dean From: Dean Collins Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:50 PM To: newtec...@meetup.com Subject: User-Authentication Services Yahoo Is A Surprising Second Among User-Authentication Services http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-social-network-connecti ons-for-live-chat-2009-10?utm_source=Triggermailutm_medium=emailutm_ca mpaign=SAI%20Chart%20Of%20The%20Day%2C%20Monday%2010%2F12%2F09 No surprise: most chat participants opting to use a third-party authentication service go for the popular Facebook Connect. More of a surprise: signing in with a Yahoo account is the second most popular choice. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jmYevHrBr6M/StOxaVDsbGI/BVY/jIB8NBMcg LU/s1600-h/authentication.gif hmmm - wondering if this going to turn into a service provider war? How much would Facebook/Yahoo/Twitter pay me as a website content provider to have my users authenticate against their services exclusively? Surely there has to be value associated to Yahoo that you 'have' to use a Yahoo username in order to authenticate to my website. Do you think Yahoo would pay per user per month or maybe even per user per login? Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net mailto:d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). Posted at: http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/user-authentication-services .html
[twitter-dev] Re: Announcing GoTwitr
Cool apps, looks well designed. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Fulford Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:37 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Announcing GoTwitr /* Disclaimer - this app is not officially affiliated with Twitter. No Twitter endorsement implied. */ First, I'd like to say thanks to everyone on this board for sharing their thoughts, questions, and help every day, and also thank Twitter for creating a Great API for us to use. Today we're launching a new site call GoTwitr - www.gotwitr.com GoTwitr is a Twitter Automation website designed to help people grow and nourish their Twitter communities. We've spent a great deal of effort trying to make this an application that works well for everyone in the Twitter community - (New Users, Power Users, and of course Twitter.) GoTwitr takes a new approach to growing your community. It provides you with a set of tools to send out beautiful HTML invitations to invite people to your Twitter community. You can send invitations via email, on websites or blogs, or even to Twitter users. (This blog has some screen shots of the HTML invitations - http://www.gotwitr.com/content/gotwitr-site-built-drupal ) It also allows you to create a group of friends and attach them to an invitation so when your invitee decides to follow you; they can also follow your friends at the same time. This is a great way to get new people started on Twitter. Here are a few technical things we did to help people find quality connections without just blindly mass following: 1. GoTwitr lets you preview everyone you follow or un-follow. Many other Twitter automation tools bulk follow people. This feature ensures that you get a chance to decide if you want to follow or not, and helps to reduce or eliminate follower churn. 2. GoTwitr delivers people to your website. Every invitation accepted will take your recipient to your website, twitter page, blog, or any other URL. 3. 100% Oauth - You don't have to give away your Twitter password to use all the features of our service. This also provides you with easy sign in and registration. 4. API Limits - No user can hit the Twitter API more than 1000 times in a 24 hour period. Thanks again everyone for sharing your daily tips and insights. Please visit and have a look: http://www.gotwitr.com All feedback welcome. Jim Fulford
[twitter-dev] Re: About the oneforty application directory
Ha ha - better go remove www.MyPostButler.com from that site - how exactly are they going to track sales from click through links? Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:25 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: About the oneforty application directory Please read the Publishers Contract that you agree to when you register as a publisher and make your application available for sale through OneForty. Here's a bird's eye view of some things you need to determine whether you like them or not: 1) OneForty takes 30% of nett revenue on the sales of your product as royalties. 2) They pay your money (the 70%) within 2 months after the calendar month in which the sale occurred, and only when the amount owed exceeds $250.00. 3) You receive your money as a gift or donation from OneForty (that may or may not have tax implications). 4) You can only contact customers for support, meaning you are not allowed to contact them for any marketing or upsells. Violations can cause agreement termination, or financial penalties. 5) You must price your item no higher than the lowest price available to other distributors. 6) If customers purchase your item directly from your web site and they came via a link from OneForty, you must pay OneForty 30% of that sale. 7) For the first 12 months, you can cancel the agreement with 30 days notice only if OneForty has breached the agreement. 8) After the first 12 months, you can cancel the agreement at will with 60 days notice.
[twitter-dev] Re: I'm back baby
No they didn't force me to, I chose to. (also I kept the domain- just doing a redirect to the new brand name). However I haven't complied at all about changing the way the app works as they are yet to show how it is detrimental to twitter ecosphere. Like I said weird part is how their lawyers have just stopped returning calls and given no explanation at all about their intentions. Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Adam Cloud Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:56 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: I'm back baby Wait, so they actually got away with forcing you to change your domain? Or you did so on your own on advice of a lawyer while you wait out the court case? If you were forced...this is big news...let us know! On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: I'm back baby, bigger and badder than before - www.MyTwitterButler.com http://www.mytwitterbutler.com/ is now www.MyPostButler.com http://www.mypostbutler.com/ feel free to tweet it on. Lawyers suck! Cheers, Dean P.S. No they didn't get the domain, my response was not without a court case baby.
[twitter-dev] I'm back baby
I'm back baby, bigger and badder than before - www.MyTwitterButler.com http://www.mytwitterbutler.com/ is now www.MyPostButler.com http://www.mypostbutler.com/ feel free to tweet it on. Lawyers suck! Cheers, Dean P.S. No they didn't get the domain, my response was not without a court case baby.
[twitter-dev] Re: Are account suspensions permanent?
I was able to get one of mine unsuspended 7 days later after I unfollowed too many people accidentally. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Waldron Faulkner Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:39 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Are account suspensions permanent? I can save a lot of trouble if I know that a previously suspended Twitter user won't later have his/her suspension lifted. Anyone?? Waldron
[twitter-dev] Re: Comments for the group and Twitter staff
Hmmm so was does twitter.com work when the API is down.? How long exactly do you think twitter.com has been using the api for? -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Payne Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:16 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Comments for the group and Twitter staff The main twitter.com site already uses the API in some places. Our revised mobile site is built entirely on the API, and our Facebook application has been built off our API for some time. Dogfooding! We support it. On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 14:08, Jim Renkel james.ren...@gmail.com wrote: I emphatically second and support the idea of twitter.com having to use the API. We had similar quality problems at a place I formerly worked, and they were solved, completely, when such a policy was instituted. Yeah, it puts pressure on the API team and may inconvenience the UI team, or whatever you call them, but in the long run it will be worth it. Side effects that we saw were a simpler, cleaner, more consistent architecture for the whole system, and lower total costs to develop and maintain the system. Bite the bullet and do it now. The longer you wait, the more difficult and expensive it will be. Jim Renkel -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Haneda Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 15:55 To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Comments for the group and Twitter staff Probably too late for this, but perhaps moving forward, it could be done... Twitter.com should move to using their own API. The tools they use to power their own site should be the same tools we use and rely on. In all reality, this seems a simpler approach, rather than pushing out code for their stuff, and then essentially backporting that to an API, just work on making the API, and then integrate that into the twitter.com site. As far as I can tell, this would solve pretty much every problem the API has, as there can not be a case where twitter is down, but the API is up, or the API is down, and twitter is up. Twitter should be eating their own dog food :) -- Scott * If you contact me off list replace talklists@ with scott@ * -- Alex Payne - Platform Lead, Twitter, Inc. http://twitter.com/al3x
[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use
Yep, this we can blacklist an app for any other reason as we deem fit, stuff is fine but don't expect other 3rd party developers to play along. I've been trying to get an exact number of people you can delete from a following in 24 hours without risking your twitter account from the tech support team following the suspension of my @LiveNFLchat account, no one seems to know/be prepared to state a number. We're happy to play by the rules, just spell out what those rules clearly are. Regards, Dean Collins Live Chat Concepts Inc d...@livechatconcepts.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use I guess the lawyers wrote this draft as an extension of the modified Twitter TOS. Alex, you will need to jump on this draft from a dizzy height and get all your Platform rules in there. Once the API Rules are published as The Rules you will have no grounds to blacklist an application for other than what is written in The Rules. Unless the rules also state that, we can blacklist an app for any other reason as we deem fit, which will fly like a lead balloon. If the rules are not clear and comprehensive, they will become a ball and chain around the ankles of the Platform team. Dewald
[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use
From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marco Kaiser Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use 2009/9/11 Dean Collins d...@cognation.net Yep, this we can blacklist an app for any other reason as we deem fit, stuff is fine but don't expect other 3rd party developers to play along. I've been trying to get an exact number of people you can delete from a following in 24 hours without risking your twitter account from the tech support team following the suspension of my @LiveNFLchat account, no one seems to know/be prepared to state a number. have you considered that there might not be a fixed number, but a pattern of requests that they are looking for? have you considered that revealing this pattern (or even the number, if that's what it is) cannot be in Twitter's interest to fight spammers, as they could make very good use of that information and adjust their bots accordingly? some rules just cannot be made public, for very good reasons. yes, that's annoying - but to be blunt, if you're app is getting caught by those rulse, it's likely that Twitter does consider what your are doing as being spam. And I am not saying that it is (I don't even know what you do), it's just a logical consequence: rules to prevent spam - app caught by rules - app is considered doing spam We're happy to play by the rules, just spell out what those rules clearly are. Regards, Dean Collins Dude all I did yesterday was startup my @LiveNFLchat account for the first game of the season which hadn't really been used since last season. Basically fired up TwitterKarma to delete accounts not following me from last seasons posts and then started following people chatting about the Titans V's Steelers season opener game last night. I didn't send a single direct message and apart from two posts about the volume of twittersphere nfl traffic and that was it. Hardly spamming. Basically I'm fairly sure my account was singled out because of my on going legal issues with a totally separate and unrelated project. The two projects are totally unrelated but I get the feeling if I fire up and use any of my 22 twitter accounts they are all going to be closed down 1 by 1. Like is said, speel out the rules and people will use them - oitherwise I'm just as happy to move my apps off twitter and move to facebook or some other platform. Twitter is where it is BECAUSE of third party application developers not in spite of it. Ben's comments are spot on how are you supposed to invest your time and energy when you can be shut down for not following 'unspecified rules'. Regards, Dean Collins Live Chat Concepts Inc d...@livechatconcepts.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).
[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use
-Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of PJB Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:49 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use Dean: Can you please stop posting about your individual TWITTER ACCOUNT issue on a Twitter developer forum? No app was blacklisted in your case -- rather your account was suspended. There's a big difference, and this particular forum topic is about API Rules, NOT about Twitter account rules. While I'm sure your situation sucks, you are confusing and conflating this very important topic -- API rules -- with something totally different (Twitter user rules). PB Sure PB, But Dossy who runs Twitter karma might want a specific number of undeletes per 24 hours SO that he can improve on his application instead causing twitter end users unnecessary issues. As I said this isn't an account issue or an api issue - it's a rules issue and Twitter's insistence of not posting complete and comprehensive rules for everyone everywhere to follow. Regards, Dean
[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use
No offence but can you please post these 'draft' rules along with the current API rules. Sorry if I sound 'overtly suspicious' but as you can imagine I'm a little wary of anything that twitter inc says at the moment and would like to have all of the rules in a single location as it causes confusion for developers and twitter alike (oh and twitters lawyers as well .). Regards, Dean Collins d...@mytwitterbutler.com -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Molina Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:58 PM To: twitter-api-annou...@googlegroups.com; twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use To accompany our updated Terms of Service (http://bit.ly/2ZXsyW) we've posted a draft of the Twitter API rules at http://twitter.com/apirules. As the subject states, these rules are a work in progress and feedback is welcome. Please read the TOS announcement at http://bit.ly/2ZXsyW for some background. We encourage you to use the contact us link at http://twitter.com/apirules with any feedback you may have. -- Marcel Molina Twitter Platform Team http://twitter.com/noradio
[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use
Yep exactly - having ALL of the rules clearly spelled out will save confusion. It's probably an automatic suspension because the twittersphere went crazy today talking about the Titans V's Steelers game tonight but my @LiveNFLchat twitter account has been suspended this afternoon even though I followed all of the Twitter API rules for 24 hour follow limits. Like I said it's probably an automated suspension but it's hard not to feel that someone singled this account out because of my use of MyTwitterButler for the first time in 2 weeks. I'm holding off raising hell with the press and going public for 24 hours and hopefully someone at twitter re-activates the account but this yet another example of why twitter needs to implement commercial high volume accounts asap. Regards, Dean Collins Live Chat Concepts Inc d...@livechatconcepts.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:55 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use Dean, That's basically what I meant. We know those are not the only rules, so the other rules should also in the draft, shouldn't they? Dewald On Sep 10, 9:50 pm, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: No offence but can you please post these 'draft' rules along with the current API rules. Sorry if I sound 'overtly suspicious' but as you can imagine I'm a little wary of anything that twitter inc says at the moment and would like to have all of the rules in a single location as it causes confusion for developers and twitter alike (oh and twitters lawyers as well .). Regards, Dean Collins d...@mytwitterbutler.com -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Molina Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:58 PM To: twitter-api-annou...@googlegroups.com; twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use To accompany our updated Terms of Service (http://bit.ly/2ZXsyW) we've posted a draft of the Twitter API rules athttp://twitter.com/apirules. As the subject states, these rules are a work in progress and feedback is welcome. Please read the TOS announcement athttp://bit.ly/2ZXsyWfor some background. We encourage you to use the contact us link athttp://twitter.com/apiruleswith any feedback you may have. -- Marcel Molina Twitter Platform Teamhttp://twitter.com/noradio image001.jpg
[twitter-dev] Re: Whitelist DM limit Question
per account - yes. but mytwitterbutler allows you to sign in with multiple accounts :) From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Sent: Tue 1/09/2009 7:55 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Whitelist DM limit Question So for example a user using your butler application can only broadcast a single DM to 250 people a day. Is that correct? Thanks, Matt On Sep 1, 1:01 am, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: if they are logging in as their account they can only send 250 Direct Messages per day. http://help.twitter.com/forums/10713/entries/14959 Last year, Twitter imposed reasonable limits to help prevent system and user abuse. (You can read more about that here http://twitter.zendesk.com/forums/10711/entries/15364 ) If you hit a Twitter limit, we will tell you by showing an error message in your browser when you try to perform an action. If you've hit a limit, it means you've exceeded one of these limits: * 1,000 updates per day * 250 direct messages per day * 150 API requests per hour Cheers, Dean Collinswww.MyTwitterButler.comhttp://www.MyTwitterButler.com http://www.mytwitterbutler.com/ From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Sent: Tue 1/09/2009 12:27 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Whitelist DM limit Question I'm developing an application and I need to find out how the DM limit will work if I get it Whitelisted. Does the expanded DM limit for whitelisted applications only apply to DM's directly from the account associated with the application that has been whitelisted, or does it apply to an account that uses my application? For example if my application is linked to my account named MyDmAccount and a user with an account called SomeUser uses my application to send DMs. Can SomeUser send an increased amount of DMs through my application, or does the allowed increase in DMs only apply to DMs send directly from MyDmAccount? Trying to design this application to stay within the lines and need to figure this out before moving forward. Thanks, Matt winmail.dat 7KViewDownload winmail.dat
[twitter-dev] Re: Whitelist DM limit Question
Ok if you prefer ... Tweetdeck has the ability to run multiple twitter accounts at the same time :) From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com on behalf of Andrew Badera Sent: Tue 1/09/2009 8:45 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Whitelist DM limit Question On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Dean Collinsd...@cognation.net wrote: per account - yes. but mytwitterbutler allows you to sign in with multiple accounts :) Someone liked to poke bees' nests as a kid, dinnit 'e? ? Andy Badera ? This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private ? Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=(andrew+badera)+OR+(andy+badera) winmail.dat
[twitter-dev] Re: Suspended Account - Need Help!!!
Yes Adam you are right - BUT if Twitter are playing favorites then they should come out and say so. Everyone knows that the Apple approval process for the App store sucks and is biased...So when Google Voice got rejected Google knew going into it that the Apple process is biased and sucks. At the moment on one hand we have Twitter saying hey we have this great API go build and prosper... And on the other hand you have legal departments contradicting the CEO that it's ok to name your apps TweetX If Twitter support dealt with everyone on an equal first come first served basis then it would be fine.or said they weren't and were going to support only some people, also fine. Just make a statement one way or the other instead of jerking us around, there are plenty of other things I can be spending my time doing. Regards, Dean Collins d...@mytwitterbutler.com mailto:d...@mytwitterbutler.com?subject=i'm%20being%20Sued +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Adam Cloud Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:13 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Suspended Account - Need Help!!! On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Robert Banh robert.b...@gmail.com wrote: Twitter is free. I'm happy to trade small downtime/performance for something free. That's my 2-cents. Amen. I thought the same thing when i saw the original posters Why isn't Twitter being consistent in their approach to all vendors. Their is no contract between the vendors and Twitter. And speculating that twitter uses favoritism (as if they didn't have the right to do so) and then asking them why they are doing the speculated actions is ridiculous!
[twitter-dev] Re: Early developer preview: Retweeting API
There are lots of apps that capture this information already. I'm not sure of the name of it but we had one at BarCampNYC that did as you described for anyone who used the hashtag BCNYC5 Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:31 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Early developer preview: Retweeting API Twitter, you will have to create new rules and limits around these new methods. A new breed of spammy app is going to emerge that leverages retweeting. One where users can say, Search for tweets that contain these keywords, and automatically retweet them for me on my account. So, you're going to get Twitter accounts that simply retweet tweets from others to fill their timelines, or to interleave them with the remainder of their tweets that all contain affiliate links. Currently that is not so easy to do, because you have to massage the tweet text, i.e., insert RT and chop some text off if that takes the length beyond 140 characters, not chop off part of an URL if it's at the end of the text, etc. With the new methods all that falls away, because attribution is now given by the retweeted by in the source. No text massaging is required. How about: You can only retweet tweets from those you follow. Just a thought. Dewald
[twitter-dev] Re: Early developer preview: Retweeting API
And as for you comment about them being spammy? If you are not following them whats your problem? Eg. Ford might want to set up a twitter account that RT a posts about anyone who mentions Ford in their tweets. Whats your problem with that? Of course it could get publicly commandeered like the 'Skittles' experiment this year but that's not Twitters problem, and it's certainly not 'your' problem. Regards, Dean Collins d...@mytwitterbutler.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: Dean Collins Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:34 AM To: 'twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Early developer preview: Retweeting API There are lots of apps that capture this information already. I'm not sure of the name of it but we had one at BarCampNYC that did as you described for anyone who used the hashtag BCNYC5 Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:31 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Early developer preview: Retweeting API Twitter, you will have to create new rules and limits around these new methods. A new breed of spammy app is going to emerge that leverages retweeting. One where users can say, Search for tweets that contain these keywords, and automatically retweet them for me on my account. So, you're going to get Twitter accounts that simply retweet tweets from others to fill their timelines, or to interleave them with the remainder of their tweets that all contain affiliate links. Currently that is not so easy to do, because you have to massage the tweet text, i.e., insert RT and chop some text off if that takes the length beyond 140 characters, not chop off part of an URL if it's at the end of the text, etc. With the new methods all that falls away, because attribution is now given by the retweeted by in the source. No text massaging is required. How about: You can only retweet tweets from those you follow. Just a thought. Dewald
[twitter-dev] Re: Cease Desist from Twitter
Hey Stuart, I'm glad someone else posted they were being pursued by Twitters Legal representatives apart from myself. (I'm still waiting for answers to my questions so nothing new to report here). Do you feel that their real beef is using the word Twit in your URL? I put a counter proposal to Twitters legal representative to rename my application www.MyTweetButler.com which as per Biz Stone's blog post of July 1st he indicated he was very happy with 3rd party developers to use the word Tweet http://blog.twitter.com/2009/07/may-tweets-be-with-you.html#links There have also been discussions online that although Twitter inc have applied for a trademark for Tweet (not granted yet) that the term was actually coined by an end user so Twitter would actually have a lot of problems if they decided to pursue people with the word Tweet in their name. Do you think that this will satisfy them? Regards, Dean Collins d...@mytwitterbutler.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Twitlonger Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:33 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Cease Desist from Twitter I recently got a letter by email from a UK law firm representing Twitter claiming that my website www.twitlonger.com was infringing on their trade mark and was inherently likely to confuse users. The version of the website they were objecting to didn't have a similar font but did use the same birds as the old version of the site (fair enough to be asked to remove them). The timing coincided with a redesign of the site anyway which went live this week. I emailed them back pointing this out and then ended up on the phone with them with the claim being that the site as it stands now could still be seen as potentially confusing. I want to know how different they expect a site to be (especially when it doesn't even include the full word twitter in the name. Compare this to Twitpic, Twitvid etc who are using the same contraction AND the same typeface. This feels so much like a legal department doing stuff that is completely contrary to the Twitter team who have been so supportive of the third party community. Of course, all these applications have been granted access to be listed in the posted from field in the tweets, been granted special access to the API via whitelisting which requires the application to be named and described and, in many cases, been registered with OAuth, again requiring the name and description of the app. Has anyone else received similar letters where they have no problem with the service but can't seem to tell the difference between two sites if blue is present in each? :( Letter copied below. --- TWITTER - Trade Mark and Website Presentation Issues We act for Twitter, Inc. in relation to intellectual property issues in the UK. Twitter has asked us to contact you about your ww.twitlonger.comwebsite (the..Website..).Twitter has no objection to the service which you are offering on the Website. However, Twitter does need you to make certain changes to the Website. We have set out the reasons below. Your Website Twitter owns a number of registrations for its TWITTER trade mark, including Community trade mark registration number 6392997. Your use of a name for the Website which is based on the TWITTER trade mark is inherently likely to confuse users of the ww.twitter.com website into thinking that the Website is owned or operated by Twitter, when this is not the case. You are using a font on your Website which is very similar to that used by Twitter for its TWITTER logo. You have no doubt chosen to use this font for this very reason. You are also using a blue background and representations of blue birds. These blue birds are identical to those which Twitter has previously used on the www.twitter.com website. The combination of these factors and the name of your Website inevitably increase the likelihood of confusion. We therefore ask you to confirm that you will, within seven days of giving the confirmation: 1. incorporate a prominent non-affiliation disclaimer on all pages of the Website; 2. permanently stop any use on the Website of a font which is identical or similar to the font used by Twitter for its TWITTER logo; and 3. permanently stop any use on the Website of (i) representations of blue birds which are identical or similar to the blue bird design previously or currently used by Twitter on the www.twitter.com website; and (ii) a blue background.
[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!
So has anyone heard from or know any of the other developers? Did they also get an email last night? twittercounter.com twitterfall.com twitter-friends.com www.twitter.ca www.tinytwitter.com www.twitterbuttons.com www.accessibletwitter.com twitterfeed.com twitterpatterns.com www.twitterlocal.net www.twitterbackgrounds.com twittergallery.com twitteranalyzer.com whentwitterisdown.com destroytwitter.com blog.twittervotereport.com twitter.pbworks.com twitter.polldaddy.com twitter.alltop.com twitter.infinityward.com twitter.grader.com Regards, Dean Collins d...@mytwitterbutler.com mailto:d...@mytwitterbutler.com?subject=i'm%20being%20Sued +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Darling Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:12 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!! Actually, I recall it perfectly well. MS threatened action against Mike Roe (a Canadian student as I recall) for his development company. The case was settled OUT OF COURT, with MS basically having to purchase his domain. The same could be applied to this product where Twitter can not demand the URL but they can wait for it to expire and snag it or offer to buy out the owner. On the point about aggressively pursuing because they have to. That's a complete and total cop-out, if that were the case then Twitter would be going after ALL offenders and not the select bad guys, if someone gives twitter a warm fuzzy they view it as ok. According to your statement (and I reviewed the laws a while back on trademarks but will go look again) they can loose their trademark for this action alone. - Jeremy PS: I'm still not a lawyer, I still hate the product, but I still hate the thought more. Of course, their CD order is little more than a notice to disconnect :) On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Jeremy Darlingjeremy.darl...@gmail.com wrote: Funny thing about trademarking a name and trying to utilize that trademark against a URL, can't be done. If so, MicroSoft would have nailed people left and right for infringement upon IE (can we say IE7.com and IE8.com) as well as several other websites that utilize trademarked MS product names LOL. Several other companies have tried this as well and failed. As for Twitter TOS and developer rights. Nope, can't sue for voilation of a TOS on a public API either. You can suspend suspect activities and revoke developer/company rights but you can't actually file suite on a TOS violation of this type. Lots of statuatory presidence on the subject. On point 3, 80% rule along with the fact that you have clearly labeled in valid font size the non-affiliation with Twitter again negates this point in most cases. Actually, about the only thing they could get you for would be Slander/Liable if you were spreading bad publicity about the company that was un-true. In that case, they could get you for everything your worth LOL. Then again, being a public entity they would fall under the same laws as the movie stars and other public figures and would basically have to suck it up in the end. - Jeremy Apparently you fail to recall the MikeRoweSoft.com case. Twitter can most definitely enforce their trademark here. ∞ Andy Badera ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private ∞ Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=(andrew+badera)+OR+(andy+badera) http://www.google.com/search?q=%28andrew+badera%29+OR+%28andy+badera%29
[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!
Hi Neil So i guess what Fenwick and Webb are saying is if i manually log into twitter and click to follow each of the people who just wrote about my application thats ok http://search.twitter.com/search?q=mytwitterbutler http://search.twitter.com/search?q=mytwitterbutler BUT if i use a little .Net application to do it Then I'm breaking the ‘Law’ and must - Cease and Desist Cheers, Dean From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Ellis Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:52 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!! Seriously Dean I'm afraid that your application (like a mass mailer) is the kind of the thing that spammers use to fill up our followers list with a bunch of real estate agents and 'social media experts'. Mass following actually harms the community on Twitter which is the reason that you will be finding less sympathy than you expected. Obviously you're bright enough to write applications, rather than dig yourself a hole on this list, why not take a step back and consider what else you could do with those skills. I'm sure you could write an application that contributed to the community more now that you have the experience of writing Twitter applications. I understand that you must be feeling upset, who wouldn't when they get legalese schtick through the email. It's not nice. But they have a point and you have the opportunity to graciously accept the situation and move on to your next idea. The most valuable thing is your skill and entrepreneurial spirit, not a micro app. I wish you good luck in your endeavors. peace Neil On 12 Aug 2009, at 15:14, Dean Collins wrote: So has anyone heard from or know any of the other developers? Did they also get an email last night? twittercounter.com twitterfall.com twitter-friends.com www.twitter.ca www.tinytwitter.com www.twitterbuttons.com www.accessibletwitter.com twitterfeed.com twitterpatterns.com www.twitterlocal.net www.twitterbackgrounds.com twittergallery.com twitteranalyzer.com whentwitterisdown.com destroytwitter.com blog.twittervotereport.com twitter.pbworks.com twitter.polldaddy.com twitter.alltop.com twitter.infinityward.com twitter.grader.com Regards, Dean Collins d...@mytwitterbutler.com mailto:d...@mytwitterbutler.com?subject=i'm%20being%20Sued +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Darling Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:12 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!! Actually, I recall it perfectly well. MS threatened action against Mike Roe (a Canadian student as I recall) for his development company. The case was settled OUT OF COURT, with MS basically having to purchase his domain. The same could be applied to this product where Twitter can not demand the URL but they can wait for it to expire and snag it or offer to buy out the owner. On the point about aggressively pursuing because they have to. That's a complete and total cop-out, if that were the case then Twitter would be going after ALL offenders and not the select bad guys, if someone gives twitter a warm fuzzy they view it as ok. According to your statement (and I reviewed the laws a while back on trademarks but will go look again) they can loose their trademark for this action alone. - Jeremy PS: I'm still not a lawyer, I still hate the product, but I still hate the thought more. Of course, their CD order is little more than a notice to disconnect :) On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Jeremy Darlingjeremy.darl...@gmail.com wrote: Funny thing about trademarking a name and trying to utilize that trademark against a URL, can't be done. If so, MicroSoft would have nailed people left and right for infringement upon IE (can we say IE7.com and IE8.com) as well as several other websites that utilize trademarked MS product names LOL. Several other companies have tried this as well and failed. As for Twitter TOS and developer rights. Nope, can't sue for voilation of a TOS on a public API either. You can suspend suspect activities and revoke developer/company rights but you can't actually file suite on a TOS violation of this type. Lots of statuatory presidence on the subject. On point 3, 80% rule along with the fact that you have clearly labeled in valid font size the non-affiliation with Twitter again negates this point in most cases. Actually, about the only thing they could get you for would be Slander/Liable if you
[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!
I'm glad you feel you can move on.I'm the one facing legal action!! (and yes I read the comment I'm not being suedI'm facing legal action) Does Twitter inc know that their lawyers are shutting down the third party developer community? (sorry I'm new to this and freaking out - never had a lawyer sue me like this) Regards, Dean Collins d...@mytwitterbutler.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jim.renkel Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:51 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!! An interesting implication is buried in all of this. FACT: http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Terms-of-Service states: Please give us a nod in your app, perhaps by including one of these stylish Powered by Twitter badges, which I read as If ya use the API you must acknowledge twitter. FACT: The letter from twitter's lawyers states: stop all use of ... the TWITTER mark, which I read as Ya can't use the word twitter in your application or on your website. IMPLICATION: No one can use the API !!! I guess we should all pack up and move on. Jim On Aug 11, 10:13 pm, Larry Wright larrywri...@gmail.com wrote: As others have pointed out, this isn't a lawsuit. That aside, Twitter announced some time ago that they were not comfortable with people using their name as part of the name of their product (http://blog.twitter.com/2009/07/may-tweets-be-with-you.html) , so it seems odd that you would be surprised by this. Regardless, you'll get little sympathy from me. Your application encourages many of the behaviors most twitter users find annoying. The Twitter ecosystem is frankly better off without it. Larry Wrighthttp://larrywright.me On Aug 11, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Dean Collins wrote: Any other developer being sued by Twitter today? If so give me a call - feel free to tweet outwww.MyTwitterButler.com/I 'm_Being_Sued to anyone you want - looking forward to the press having a field day with this. Regards, Dean Collins d...@mytwitterbutler.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).
[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!
It's not that simple - if you read the letter they are telling me I have to stop selling the software entirely. www.MyTwitterButler.com/I'm_Being_Sued http://www.mytwitterbutler.com/I'm_Being_Sued Regards, Dean Collins d...@mytwitterbutler.com mailto:d...@mytwitterbutler.com?subject=i'm%20being%20Sued +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of EdPimentl Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:06 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!! Have you consider renaming your app to Tweetrobot , twtrbutler, tweeturk? They own the brand Twitter why not rename your service? -E Gpro.ws On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: I'm glad you feel you can move on.I'm the one facing legal action!! (and yes I read the comment I'm not being suedI'm facing legal action) Does Twitter inc know that their lawyers are shutting down the third party developer community? (sorry I'm new to this and freaking out - never had a lawyer sue me like this) Regards, Dean Collins d...@mytwitterbutler.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jim.renkel Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:51 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!! An interesting implication is buried in all of this. FACT: http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Terms-of-Service states: Please give us a nod in your app, perhaps by including one of these stylish Powered by Twitter badges, which I read as If ya use the API you must acknowledge twitter. FACT: The letter from twitter's lawyers states: stop all use of ... the TWITTER mark, which I read as Ya can't use the word twitter in your application or on your website. IMPLICATION: No one can use the API !!! I guess we should all pack up and move on. Jim On Aug 11, 10:13 pm, Larry Wright larrywri...@gmail.com wrote: As others have pointed out, this isn't a lawsuit. That aside, Twitter announced some time ago that they were not comfortable with people using their name as part of the name of their product (http://blog.twitter.com/2009/07/may-tweets-be-with-you.html) , so it seems odd that you would be surprised by this. Regardless, you'll get little sympathy from me. Your application encourages many of the behaviors most twitter users find annoying. The Twitter ecosystem is frankly better off without it. Larry Wrighthttp://larrywright.me On Aug 11, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Dean Collins wrote: Any other developer being sued by Twitter today? If so give me a call - feel free to tweet outwww.MyTwitterButler.com/I 'm_Being_Sued to anyone you want - looking forward to the press having a field day with this. Regards, Dean Collins d...@mytwitterbutler.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).
FW: [twitter-dev] Re: [Feature Request] Hiding certain Hashtags
Hi Georg, you might like to check out www.LiveFootballChat.com after Sept 10th then. It's going to be the same as www.LiveBaseballChat.com Regards, Dean Collins Live Chat Concepts Inc d...@livechatconcepts.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Clark Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:28 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: [Feature Request] Hiding certain Hashtags I, for one, don't think such a feature should be via Twitter directly. What I do think would be valuable would be an ability (which may already be present I haven't dug too deeply) to filter by APP. ie to get all updates from a given app OR to exclude based on app. For example this would allow you to quickly and easily remove all updates from PlaySpymaster or other games using Twitter. Once most apps use Oauth each app will have a unique ID so this type of filtering could add greater value. Many many people do not use hashtags I know I very rarely use them but I do use a range of apps (directly or via oauth) and there are apps esp ones I'm not using (games mostly) I could see value from filtering out of my main Twitter views. Shannon Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2009, at 7:18 AM, georg mahr mahrge...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, what do you guys think about a feature making it possible to hide certain hashtags? I came across this idea, when the new football season began. My followers split up into two groups: Those who like football and want to read about it and those who don't like football. I like to twitter about football but I'm afraid that some of my followers tend to unfollow me because my football noise is too much for them. I think it'd be a nice feature to set posts with certain hashtags to hidden or something like that. Just tell me your thoughts - is this nonsense, if so - why? Or does this already exist.. best regards, @georgmahr
[twitter-dev] Re: [Feature Request] Hiding certain Hashtags
Lol yepyou could tweet about #MLS ...but no one in the USA apart from 20-30 people would know what you are talking about...ha ha. And yes we already own www.LIveMLSchat.com though who knows if we are ever going to deploy it. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Clark Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:31 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: [Feature Request] Hiding certain Hashtags And this illustrates in part why hashtags filtering won't achieve exactly what might be expected. ie US based tweets about Football likely start rising right about now as training camps open and end around the Super Bowl in Feb. But the rest of the English speaking world would tweet about a very different Football on a different schedule (what we in the US call soccer) Further many tweets about football (of either type) wouldn't include Football anywhere - would refer to a specific team (The Bears, ManU, Hull, 49ers etc) or to players or coaches or to a league or competition (worldcup, superbowl, afc etc) Shannon Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: Hi Georg, you might like to check out www.LiveFootballChat.com after Sept 10th then. It's going to be the same as www.LiveBaseballChat.com Regards, Dean Collins Live Chat Concepts Inc d...@livechatconcepts.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter- development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Clark Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:28 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: [Feature Request] Hiding certain Hashtags I, for one, don't think such a feature should be via Twitter directly. What I do think would be valuable would be an ability (which may already be present I haven't dug too deeply) to filter by APP. ie to get all updates from a given app OR to exclude based on app. For example this would allow you to quickly and easily remove all updates from PlaySpymaster or other games using Twitter. Once most apps use Oauth each app will have a unique ID so this type of filtering could add greater value. Many many people do not use hashtags I know I very rarely use them but I do use a range of apps (directly or via oauth) and there are apps esp ones I'm not using (games mostly) I could see value from filtering out of my main Twitter views. Shannon Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2009, at 7:18 AM, georg mahr mahrge...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, what do you guys think about a feature making it possible to hide certain hashtags? I came across this idea, when the new football season began. My followers split up into two groups: Those who like football and want to read about it and those who don't like football. I like to twitter about football but I'm afraid that some of my followers tend to unfollow me because my football noise is too much for them. I think it'd be a nice feature to set posts with certain hashtags to hidden or something like that. Just tell me your thoughts - is this nonsense, if so - why? Or does this already exist.. best regards, @georgmahr
[twitter-dev] RE: API originated posts not showing up in search
Hmmm just realized Twitter posts via the API from www.LiveBaseballChat.com aren't showing up in the twitter search stream. So anything with #Twins or #Tigers from @LBBchat is showing up in the profile http://twitter.com/LBBChat BUT NOT appearing in http://search.twitter.com/search?q=tigers Hm Regards, Dean Collins Live Chat Concepts Inc d...@livechatconcepts.com +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).
[twitter-dev] Re: OK Seriously People
On 8/9/09 12:47 PM, Stuart wrote: * I can't believe you lot don't realise that constantly demanding status updates, while certainly important to you, is little more than a distraction for those who are actually fighting the good fight. Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/ I hear there's this popular service that makes it easy to send out short status updates ... what's it called again? Ha ha funniest thing I've heard about this whole debacle. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter clients on Twitter.com
We get our suggestions from users adopting a particular application and this feedback occurs how exactly? - I doubt there is anyway for you to track people who have purchased www.MyTwitterButler.com licenses. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:49 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Twitter clients on Twitter.com Thanks Chad I thought it would be something like that, just hope my Twitter iphone push client gets noticed by you guys ;) On Aug 4, 11:48 pm, Chad Etzel c...@twitter.com wrote: Hi Richard, Please see:http://apiwiki.twitter.com/FAQ#HowcanIgetmyappinthesidebarpromotionbox Thanks, -Chad Twitter Platform Support On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Richrhyl...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed a number of clients advertised down the right hand column on Twitter.com recently. Is there a specific method to get listed there, or is it the Twitter staff's favourites? Richard
[twitter-dev] Re: Fun140 and Truetwit developers
I don't get why people are so uptight about direct messages. If you aren't getting value from following someone...or having someone following you - then unsubscribe. FFS the only issue is for people who want to inflate their numbers by having a 'huge' following number. Regards, Dean Collins www.MyTwitterButler.com -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dossy Shiobara Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:07 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Fun140 and Truetwit developers On 8/2/09 10:47 AM, Aaron Brazell wrote: I've asked Twitter to look into your apps, but I'm also making a personal plea to figure out another way of doing this and allowing people to opt out of messages from your apps. Or better yet, opt in. You opt out by unfollowing whomever DM's you. Didn't we have this exact discussion on this very list no more than 3 months ago? -- Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitpocalypse: The Second Coming is on the horizon
Huh? I thought this issue was resolved already? My developer for www.MyTwitterButler.com said he solved this problem back in June? Am I missing something? Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Molina Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:53 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com; twitter-api-annou...@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Twitpocalypse: The Second Coming is on the horizon Twitter status ids are fast approaching the maximum 32-bit *unsigned* integer value (4,294,967,295). The current estimate is that this will occur in approximately 60 days, at the end of September. The 60 day window is a best-guess approximation based on projections. It could conceivably happen sooner. Developers are encouraged to not only update their applications to use a 64-bit integer (BIGINT/long long), but also verify that all libraries they use are also prepared to handle 64-bit integers. -- Marcel Molina Twitter Platform Team http://twitter.com/noradio
