Re: [videoblogging] Former Apple Employee No. 68 Creates Cellphone Content
It's a very clue-train manifesto concept.The content doesn't matter at all, it's the dialogue that goes on around it. You might well be talking about modern art. It's not the art, it's the conversation and the ideas it provokes.I like it. It gives me cart blanc to make bad videos. :)I have my own saying."Talk is cheap, and that's what makes it so great." ...and I guess the same thing now applies to media. A huge proliferation of cheaply produced media on the web is not a negative thing. Everyone should be able to make videos anytome they like.Of course i'm always reminded of William Burroughs... "...to vulgarize and falsify untill the bare lies shine through." My alter ego is so bad at everything it's good. That is the concept of so called naive art. But naive art does not do this deliberatly and maliciously like Burroughs implies. No, he was talking about the great capitalistic American way.-MikeOn May 21, 2006, at 4:55 AM, Jan wrote:http://tinyurl.com/okawg From the NY Times article wherein former Apple employee No. 68 says, "Content is just a means to an end, so there's something to talk about," he said. In other words, social connection trumps all. Content. Content. Content. The ulterior motive for consuming content is social networking. Holy cow. XO,Jan-- "It isn't done alone. Pay more." http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movementhttp://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinimahttp://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - mediahttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literaturehttp://the-hold.blogspot.com - arthttp://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html - filmmakerSPONSORED LINKSFireantIndividualTypepadUseExplainsYAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] RE: Can you suggest a fictional vlog series
Sweet, I can get in detroit public TV from here! I want to come home scream at the wife, beet the kids, crack a beer and watch Captain Dale 5 days a week! It'll be just like the good old days, Captin' Dale is the new Honeymooners. :)I could even Tivo them. :)Seriously though. That's great. Exposure to a new and alternative audience. Crossing back over from the internet back into TV. The one thing I want to know is when are they going to be on?-MikeOn May 21, 2006, at 5:09 AM, Adam Quirk wrote: Chris Weagel is taking classes at his local public access station so that they will allow him to broadcast his videos: http://human-dog.comThey will then be on TV.I believe that is his goal. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] 17 inch Powerbook to a good home, cheap
Well, noone has yet to make an offer for my friends 17" fully loaded powerbook, so now instead of being $2000, it's now $1800.Please somone buy it. Otherwise I'm going to have to tell him to list it on Craigslist or Ebay, and he doesn't want to do that.It's the latest, greatest and last powerbook, prior to the new MacBook Pro. It's 1.67Ghz has 1gig of ram, a 120 gig hard drive, a 8X Superdrive (DVD/CD burner) and all the trimings. It's only 5 months old, in perfect condition and comes with the 3 year apple extended warranty.You can IM me or email me, but I may be offline quite a bit this weekend so feel free to call me. My contact info is below.-Mike Michael Meiseremail powerbook at mmeiser.comcell 312 . 523 - 1066skype mmeiseraol-IM mmeiser01msn-IM mmeiser8yahoo-IM mmeiser8projects mefeedia.com spreadthemedia.org evilvlog.comweb site mmeiser.comblog mmeiser.com/bloglink blog del.icio.us/mmeiserphotos flickr.com/photos/mmeiser flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On May 18, 2006, at 12:44 AM, Anne Walk wrote: mike, you mac tease! i so wish i had the cash!On 5/17/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I hope my posting this here doesn't offend anyone's sensibilities. If so I pre-apologize.A good friend of mine from Phoenix just decided to upgrade from his(absolute top of the line) 17" Powerbook to the new Macbook Pro andasked me if I knew anyone who could really benefit from his 17" Powerbook.I offered to mention it here since it's really the ultimate videoediting laptop... that is it's second to only the brand new 17"Macbook Pro that just came out in the last month or so. I assume if I get flamed then the price wasn't quite the gift Ithough it was. He asked me what I thought was a decent price and Isomewhat blindly recommended $2000 since the whole setup cost over 3kwhen he purchased it only five months ago. It will retain it's 3yr extended warranty and support, it's perfect and unblemished form, andevery last bit of trimmings it came with. The details of which arebelow.His primary concern is to make sure it gets into someone's hands who will appreciate it. Since I couldn't think of any specific person offhand, basically it goes to whomever first inquires and can meet theasking price.If your interested email me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Specs are below.Peace,-Mike of mmeiser.com/blog$200017inch Powerbook1.67GHz PowerPC G4- The latest, greatest, and last Powerbook ever. The greatest laptop ever right up until 5 or so weeks ago when the new 17" Macbook Procame out.- Perfect portable (or desktop) video editing suite.The original specs: http://support.apple.com/specs/powerbook/PowerBook_G4_17-inch_Double-Layer_SD.htmlUpgrades and details.- 1 gig of ram in one slot, so one slot is still empty- two good batteries- purchased last December - comes with 3 year AppleCare Protection Plan- comes in original box- Mac OS 10.4.6 installed- iMovie, iDVD, iLife and all the software listed on the originalspecs mentioned abovePrimary specs (from right off the original spec sheet) - display: 17-inch (diagonal), 1680 x 1050 resolution, TFT widescreen- video out: DVI, VGA, S-video and composite- graphics: ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 graphics processor with AGP 4Xsupport and 128MB of DDR SDRAM video memory * Simultaneously supports up to 1680 x 1050 pixels on the built-indisplay and up to 2560 x 1600 pixels on an external display, both atmillions of colors- footprint: 15.4 x 10.2 inches- weight: 6.9 pounds- hard-drive: 120GB Ultra ATA/100; 5400 rpm- optical drive: 8x SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)- ports: one FireWire 400, one FireWire 800, two USB 2.0 ports, andType I/II PC Card slot - Keyboard: Full size, illuminated with ambient light sensor- wireless: Built-in 54-Mbps AirPort Extreme (Wi-Fi 802.11g); built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDRAs mentioned above the original and full specs are at the following url. http://support.apple.com/specs/powerbook/PowerBook_G4_17-inch_Double-Layer_SD.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arriveshttp://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual
Re: [videoblogging] Garfield
Oh the irony. :)On May 20, 2006, at 1:54 AM, robert a/k/a r wrote:If you missed reading Steve's Off On A Tangent this week have peek at this:http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2006/05/whats-wrong-with-this-picture.htmlReporters. Geez.From Steve's post:"So as the reporter started to take a picture of the people at table, I brought out my camera to get a picture of her taking a picture of us. Pretty standard operating procedure for a flickr photo loving blogger who is also into documenting the way media is made.As I raised my camera, she shielded her face and said that she didn't want her picture taken.She was upset.She fled the room and hurried into the next room, out of sight." SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Creating groups in the iTunes directory (and beyond)
I thought some of you might find this interesting. Podcasters with multiple feeds perhaps like Rocketboom, or megavlogs like ThePan.org... or just some of you discrete bands of roaming vloggers, or self identifying groups of podcasters.iTunes has a way to create a group or network of associated podcasts in the iTunes directory. You have to request it via a form (read forwarded email at bottom), and each podcast can be only part of one group, but I think it's very cool.Here's an example.http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?s=143441id=146041210Jump down to the forwarded email for details on how to request it. It's courtesy of a discussion on the Yahoo "Podcasters" group. Great group that.On a much cooler side note. :)This groups idea is sort of a cool idea for all directories and meta search services. I'd love to see something about it in the mRSS (meta RSS) spec. A standard for specifying discretely a "group" affiliation, self identifying groups. In RSS (or via a feed service like Feedburner or platform like Wordpress) a podcaster or vlogger would specify an affiliation by name, that name acting like a tag. Then all directories and services could identify that network of like blogs/podcasts/vlogs and it could help make them more browse-able and findable. (among other things)You might think of it as a specific "facet" of tagging, like geo-tagging is a facet of tagging based on geography that helps us find things by where they're located. This however creates a geography based on communities and like geo-tagging it to will create a space who's value can be mined and used in so many ways i cannot begin to guess at them all.Unlike iTunes a blogger/podcaster/vlogger could specify multiple affiliations. These could be generalized affiliations or very discrete affiliations.Because it's based on a (fairly) trusted mechanism (the blog and it's associated RSS feed) the information could be changed at any time by the podcaster, and it would be self policeable. For example some groups like "official PAN editor" or "official Rocketboom contributor" will be discrete, others like "ThePan.org fans" or "rocketboom fans" or simply "midwest video bloggers" would be simply general identifications decided on by the consensus of participants.Because it's just like declaring your affiliations on your website and because it's like using plain legal english it's transparent and policeable by proxy of its members. If you declare yourself an "Official Rockatboom(TM) editor" or part of "The Podshow Network(TM)" and you're not then whoa is you. It'd actually be just as enforceable as if you lied on your blog or resume. Because it's plain as english it would be actually in many cases legally enforceable under standard law, not that it would ever come to that. I'm just saying, it's fairly nuke proof. I think. ;)This basically allows for an endless creation of "space" (think of it as architecting more space in cyberspace if you like) a sort of consensus and freeform way of identifying endless communities... a new geography for the web rather than just being a chaos of blogs, podcasts and vlogs. Think of it if you will as a nice warm ocean current in cyberspace for when you decide to stop "surfing" the web, and graduate to sailing the meiaverse. Or think of it as a new form of road. The point is it creates a new space to be explored that in conjunction with other architected things like geo-tagging can be very powerful.As just one example you could cross geo-tags with group-tags and you might be able to automatically view and browse all podcasters who claim to be "midewest video bloggers" or "rocketboom editors" on a google map. That's just one simple example though. With standardized facets of meta information embeded in RSS like groups affiliations, geo-location information, and others we can start to dream up and create services that exploit and explore this information in standardized ways to do amazingly useful things we haven't even though of yet.Best of all though, this kicks the crap out of obtuse "categories" like Apple's iTunes directory categories. :)LOL.I find traditional predefined "editorial categorizations" increasingly obtuse, useless, and worse of all wasting of vast amounts of time and reources because they leverage their tyranny on vast amounts of people. A good specification can either distribute empowerment which ultimately creates value and saves time... or it can distribute wasted time, frustration, futility. The net affext is either a multiplication of good, or a multiplication of evil but never in between.Anyway, where this mRSS specification for group affiliations would lead us is an endlessly mine-able, browse-able and searchable metaverse of communities. Meta search tools like Mefeedia.com, or Odeo.com, Technoratti, or Bloglines, any meta aggregator or directory could then identify these communities and automatically allow targeted searching and browsing of
Re: [videoblogging] Video sharing sites compared
On May 18, 2006, at 10:44 PM, Paul Knight wrote: I might be going blind or maybe its the time of the morning, but were is dailymotion and photobucket in this?50,000 video sharing sites have popped up in the last 12 to 18 months. This is a gold rush, you can't expect any one person to have a perfect clue. :)There's so many great video sharing sites missing that won't even bother to list them, (how blip.tv isn't number one I don't know) but it's the best damn report I've seen. If you've seen better please do tell.BTW, the whole whitepaper looks interesting. All 14 pages of it. One day I might get a chance to read it.http://www.mediathink.com/tactical/ivod_whitepaper.aspI love how the sub-title. "Understanding the impact of online video (iVOD) on marketing and advertising"And here all of us idiots were arguing about wether it's video blogging, video podcasting, vlogging, or videocasting. None of that matters now, I see that all that really matters is that it's all just iVOD. I just hope I'm using the term right, wouldn't want to make an ass out myself by myself. I'm such a n3wb.Thanks for posting that speedkills20! (Whoever you are. :)/mikeatmmeiser.com/blogOn 19 May 2006, at 03:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check it out. http://www.mediathink.com/tactical/ivod_whitepapertbl.asp Nice comparison of the video quality of the top sharing sites. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: MacBook Pro VS Powerbook 15/17 for video-podcasting? [ was Re: [videoblogging] 17 inch Powerbook to a good home, cheap?
BTW, Micheal V. I wanted to point out, apple's so called "glossy screen" available on the new 13inch Macbook is in fact a VERY unforetunate name. It's specifically an ANTI-GLARE screen. Sony and other display makers have been using it on various displays and even some TV's. It's very good and increases contrast. I have no idea what apple was smoking using the term "glossy". In most people's books glossy implies the opposite of anti-glare.Secondly, this is the same technology they us on photographic and video camera lenses. It's often called "anti-flare". It cuts down on lens flare. Not the same thing as a polarization lens though.Thirdly, as you imply the apple apps are optimized for the new intel MacBook's so far as I know. This includes both their video editing apps. Secondly any secondary apps that aren't optimized (and most are) soon will be and even if they aren't they still run much faster than on even the best G4's like the absolute top of the line 1.67ghz Powerbook I mentioned at the start of this thread (still for sale, only $2k). I think the term is Fast and getting Faster.Fourth, there's only one major difference between the 13" Macbook and the 17" Macbook Pro in my opinion. Other than the screen size that is. The performance is negligible, they have the exact same architecture and bus. The one issue is the graphics card. The 13inch graphics are more than powerful enough for any application except high end 3d gaming, though I'm curious what sort of effect it would have on video editing... the 13" has an "integrated video card" meaning it uses whatever ram you put on the motherboard. For some not doing high end graphics, gaming or heavy film this actually might be an advantage considering it draws significantly less power, therefore longer battery life. The 13" gets's 6 or is it 6.5 hours to the 15" and the 17" 5.5 or 5 hrs. A lot of this is do screen size to, significantly less power is needed to light a smaller screen.Anyway, my point is this, the 13" powerbook or damn near as powerful as the 17" in ALL areas except high end graphics. Other then the screen size and graphics they're basically the same. This makes the 13" Macbook a steal at $1099 or $1299. And if your the type of person who most of the time uses it in an office hooked up to a big display, the screen size doesn't matter... in fact it's portability is an advantage.-MikeOn May 18, 2006, at 9:13 AM, Michael Verdi wrote: On 5/18/06, B Yen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use a Powerbook 15", it's great for video-podcasting.I've seen the Apple promos for the Macbook Pro, it's slated to be video-podcast friendly.Can it run iMovie HD export iPod compatible movies? What is the story on the Intel-based MacBooks, is it still waiting for Software Developers to catch up?PhotoshopFinalCut ProAdobe Premiere Pro I'd get one right now, if there were sufficient software compatibility: Image video-editing programsI don't own one of these new Macs but I've been checking them out and spent some time yesterday playing with them at the apple store. Here are my impressions: Even the low end Macbook (dual 1.83GHz) is faster than my 1.5GHz G4 PowerBook and should capable of running all the pro apps. It didn't have FCP studio loaded on it so my main concern would be with Motion which requires certain video cards. Even the Macbooks run iMovie HD (intel native) very well - again, better than my current Powerbook. I believe all the Apple software are now universal binaries (anybody know if this is not true?).So what are the differences between the low end MacBook and the high end MacBook Pro? Basically... CPU - ranges from dual 1.83GHz to dual 2.16GHzScreen size and surface - ranges from 13.3" 1280 X 800 to 17" 1680 X 1050. The Macbooks only come with the shiny screen (I'm not a fan). MacBook Pro have the choice of shiny or matte. Video card - 64MB integrated vs 128MB or 256MB PCIe card.Optical drive - Combo Drive vs 4X DVD burner vs 8X Dual Layer DVD (17" only)All of these computers can hold 2GB of 667MHz DDR2 ram.All can run external monitors (mirroring and 2nd monitor). The Macbooks can run up to a 23" Apple display, the Macbook Pros can run the 30" display. Macbook Pros have the option of running a 7200 rpm drive while the Macbooks can only have a 5400 rpm drive.All come with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth built inAll come with built in iSight camerasAll have Gigabit ethernet if you need it (though none come with a modem). The 17" Macbook pro has a firewire 800 portThe Macbook pros have light up keyboardsThe Macbook pros have an Expresscard slot (don't know what you can buy to go in there yet).So in playing with them I felt like the Macbook was a pretty kick ass computer and is probably a great choice for most anybody. But here's why I want the MacBook Pro: 1. Larger screen. I like my current 15" 1280 X 854 screen and I'm looking forward to the 1440 X 900 screen on the 15" Macbook Pro.2. Matte screen. The shiny screen was less of a problem than I though it
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What is Your Definition of TV
Great question Sull. TV is to me = mass passivity, popularist culture, culture as a popularity contest, pluralism, marginalization, hegemony, subversion, monoculture, cultural imperialism, top down, fundamental lack of capacity for the rich diversity of human experience... and therefore commoditizing of culture nationalism, propaganda, orwelian, the suppression of grassroots culture, the suppression of the individual spirit, suppression of creativity, the power is in the hands of the few, world wars, corporations, vertical markets, monopolies, duopolies, economics of scale, manufactured pop / manufactured culture, yellow journalism, bias is a false god, objectivity is a lie, hierarchy, bureaucracy, vote with your dollars, vote every four years, polls, mass markets, consumerism, pay as you go culture, stagnation Inversely the mediatized web = participation, diversity, folk, the rebirth of community, bottom up, distributed culture, the reawakening of localism, people, person to person, humanity, consensus, collective intelligence, personal empowerment, vote through action, the firm synthesis of conversation and action, innovation, creativity, and to much more to list. I could really spend a book on this. The mediatized web does have it's negatives though also... terrorism, guerilla warfare, spin, mob mentality, digital divide Note these are my free associations and should understood in comparison to the other above terms i associate with TV. For example if TV = nationalism and world wars, then the mediatized web = guerilla warfare and terrorism. Like I said these are free associations, they're not about right or wrong, they're about the medium is the message. Exploring broader relationships. It is along these lines we can also analyze radio, the advent of the printing press... and there are many similarities. The reason why media is reflected broadly throughout world culture is because the systems that bind us are the systems that define us. To the degree which TV and now the internet is having on world culture is to the degree it directs culture. TV and now the internet are not just looking glasses, they actually change us, much like Einstein's theory of relativity. In fact the web will change us even more so than TV because there's a huge widespread call to participation and activation... where as TV was a pacifier of the masses. Of course I have an architectural bent. Everything is either systematic or a process to me unless it's true art, true folk, and comes truly from the heart of the individual. Otherwise it is a commentary on the system, or a part of an ongoing cultural dialogue through the systems that bind us. Fundamentally anything that is not part of science, math or a true reflection of the inward journey is hence shaped by the systems in which that dialogue happens. Wether it be the cafe culture of Prague, or our beloved vlogosphere most art and culture is tied to and at least in part reflective of the systems which connect the participants. This yahoo group has come to define us as have our vlogs. We're global, diverse, personable, human, chaotic, creative, and productive among many other things. Wether vlogging and this yahoo group made us this way or wether it simply allowed us to regain a more human/humane form is debatable, but it's true that to the degree which we participate the very structure and properties of the media define us. Symbiotic. -Mike of mmeiser.com/blog On May 12, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Casey McKinnon wrote: Entertainment, idealism, dreams, horror. Here's my list of best shows on TV now: - Battlestar Galactica: Although sci-fi, it makes me cry every show with it's realism. - House: Clever wit and sarcasm... and I still can't believe that's actually Hugh Laurie! - Gilmore Girls: I completely identify with Rory Gilmore... yet another young talkative opinionated brunette. I just wish I also had her stylist! I only really enjoy stuff that brings out extreme emotions in me... I watch these things to laugh, cry with pain and cry with happiness. This is what television is to me and this is what I hope is carried on in all entertainment, including videoblogging. Casey http://www.galacticast.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
Re: [videoblogging] PDFcasting
Great thread... yeah, when blutooth was still just coming out they said it was going to connect your toaster and your microwave and your fridge... we all used to laught about it... I even convinced someone i was connecting to the internet through my fridge with bluetooth once. People are so gullible. It's histerical. But now we have an actual reason to connect them... we can make them all into blobjects!I can't wait to get my first text message on my phone (or fax) saying, "your toast has popped".LOL!BTW, Scannr or is it scanr.com just got like 4 mil or something in funding... basically you can email them any picture and they're OCR it and send it to back to you via email. I think the idea is business cards and cameraphones. Essentially they want to turn any cameraphone into an OCR scanner. Only works with 1mp or better cameraphones though, os... sort that's like .0001% of all phones.Personally I think it's a cool idea, but it's definitely no Flickr, and the name knock-off leaves a poor tast in my mouth. It reminds me that we're definitely in an era of irrational exuberance... except now at least it's staying on the VC side, VC's are much more accountable than markets.So,,, what does all this mean... when I right my shopping list on the white board on the side of my blobject of a fridge it will throgh my peer based blutooth network send a text message of my shopping list via my toaster by turning into text through Scanr.com! woohoo!It's like we're already livving in the future! Or... maybe we as a race have a tough time telling the difference between our day dreams and reality. :)Cheers,-MikeOn Apr 28, 2006, at 4:31 PM, Devlon wrote: lol, faxoodle, nice.On 4/28/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: precisely... and tags... and it has a HOTT web 2.0 name like Faxr!or maybe Faxoodle.-josh On 4/28/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, that's so 1.0. This comes with AJAX! robert a/k/a r wrote: how is this different from the emailing pdf to fax-out servers that existed as both an in-house mail server connectors and outside services that have been around since approx the 90s?oh wait. soldering on an rss>email mod, is that what you mean?
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On Apr 28, 2006, at 1:52 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
be on the look out for faxr It could be like Skype for faxing... which is actually not a bad idea.Let's you share files via P2P and fax documents to actual fax machineslike Skype-Out.Quick someone write that on a napkin!
-joshOn 4/28/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: be on the look out for faxrOn 4/28/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: faxcast faxicate syndifax podfax ... -josh On 4/28/06, Nathan Freitas
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Re: [videoblogging] re: gumby IP question
Yes, It is nice to hear an attorney's perspective. Thanks J.D. I believe that Project guttenberg runs into this all the time. You have to be very careful, because though the original work may have fallen into the public domain, translations and interpretations may not have... and that's an endlessly complex issue. Project guttenberg contributors go back to the actual version and transcribe it to text... they cut no corners with transcribing from later publishings. I also hear this with classical music. Indeed everything from Handel to betoven is in the public domain, but most of the modern recordings which is 99.99% of what you hear is not. Therefore it would be illegal to copy most public recordings. This is an endlessly complex issue. I have a freiend who's a painter who works heavily with popular symbols... we once talked about this issue with monopoly. Mr. Moneybags the primary character and symbol of monopoly is in the public domain, but is he still trademarked. Even still in fine art these complexities get ever more complex, because art is a primal sort of social commentary and because at it's essence it defies rules and definition. The issue is endlessly complex. I'm not even goind to venture to say where I stand... except that in issues of fine art and edication you tend to get more leway on copyright and trademark... much less so in commercial endevors. Of course I always follow the number one rule of copyright issues... lawsuits follow the money. It's especially true in copyright. So, if you plan to make money now or ever wether you making fine art, or making shows... I suggest getting more paranoid the more upside potential. Personally I like the fine art model. By the time your early paintings are worth anything, you won't own them anymore anyway. It's someone elses problem. :) It's a much more sociable route than get rich quick hollywoodification schemes. -Mike On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:01 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: Thanks JD, great information!! On Apr 26, 2006, at 9:49 PM, JD Lasica wrote: I promised I'd ask an attorney friend about our friend Gumby, and Andrew's idea of dusting him off and remixing him for the 21st century. Here's what she says: This Gumby Problem is a lot like the Peter Pan case I worked on (and eventually settled) at Stanford last year. The problem is: what happens to trademarked characters once the copyrighted work falls into the public domain. (I'm assuming here that Gumby is in fact in the PD.) In the Peter Pan case, it's absolutely clear that the original story was in the public domain (published 1911). So our client used the characters and made a sequel to Peter Pan that is set in this century. Our client had the characters act differently, put them in new modern situations, and even challenged the idea that growing up is necessarily a bad thing. The Peter Pan copyright owner claimed both copyright and trademark infringement. There are cases that state pretty clearly that the characters also fall into the PD when a copyright expires, so the copyright question is, in my opinion, fairly clear (though we fought about it in the Peter Pan case). The TM question is trickier because generally a TM lasts as long as it is not abandoned by the owner and is properly used to identify a good or service. You can still parody the mark without infringement or dilution concerns (thanks to our First Amendment), but you always need to keep an eye out for whether you are using the mark in a manner that will cause customer confusion (infringement) or whether you are possibly diluting the Gumby mark. (Dilution claims stem from either blurring [e.g., causing a famous mark to lose some of its distinctiveness due to use of a similar marks] or tarnishing [e.g., associating a famous mark with unpleasant or unwholesome products/services] the mark.) I hope this is helpful! Best, Colette Vogele San Francisco Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Firefox Flicks Panel
On Apr 26, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Devlon wrote:I constantly have to live vicariously through the vlogs of others when it comes to these types of events.Ok, step number one for keeping up on eventsGet iPhoto (requires a mac first :), install iPhoto 6.0, don't upgrade past 6.0... got to the tag feed or group for the event on flickr and add it as a photo-cast feed... not only does iphoto aggregate the highres photos (for those with highres sharing turned on), but it also retains permalinks back to the flickr page and all the meta information.I guess you can use any news-reader for this btw, but it won't download and cache the photos, only show little 24x120 thumbnails.Alternatively if your on windows try out I/ON.http://openvision.tv/home/ion.jspI don't have a lot of time with it yet, but it appears to be pretty sweet.People keep telling me they don't see the power in photo-casting (ahem, Josh @ fireant :), but believe me... flipping through endless photos of SXSW as they stream in and reading comments... and descriptions at leisure... as a point of just fluid keeping up on the sights and people and the scene... it's teh bomb. You're literally seeing an event through the eyes of participants, often your own friends.Try it.PS. I/ON the open source video blog aggregator has also got some photo-casting support, but other than iPhoto and I/ON it's an wholly unexplored territory a whole new frontier, and it is perhaps as big and important as video-casting and audio casting. It's a gold mine as certain as the success of flickr and photoblogging. It's fundamental.On a side note, all Fireant has to do is support jpg enclosures, and preferably mRSS. ;)FYI, photocasting is not a catch all solution. Like vlogging, and audio podcasting and blogging it has it's place, and it's place is as an amazing point of entry... like looking out your window, but on events half way around the word. Remember the web cam craze? Photo-cast feeds like SXSW for events blow that relatively still hot concept away.Essential elements of a good photo-cast interface are just like video blogging1) aggregation, caching, viewing, full screen viewing is a plus2) commenting, favoring, tagging through permalinks back to the photo-blog or flickr3) organizing and archiving media, both on computer and server side... iPhoto has drag and drop folders, ratings, and keywords... it's a robust photo managing and archiving interface so photos don't just pile up on your hard drive. (BTW, Fireant and I/ON could stand to study and implement basic media management in iPhoto, it's awesome stuff.)4) reading extended descriptions while watching viewing the media... the interplay of text and media is an essential part of the experience... in photocasting the description provides the story behind the photo.However like vlogging you won't get photocasting until you try it. It's got this amazing quality, like "flash cards" for people, places, events. For example, I'm a HUGE architecture fan, and the architecture groups on flickr are prolific... it's like a giant flash card of architecture around the world... see the photo, guess the place, architect, date... then check the title, description and comments to verify. Like it? Pressing the Command key and number keys 1-5 rates the photo in iPhoto, or you can drag and drop it in a folder, or add some keywords. Endless, endless fun... and other than some quirks in iPhoto the software generally just gets the hell out of your way, letting you flip through literally hundreds of photos in minutes and endlessly interact with reading, commenting, tagging, favoriting and all manner in iphoto and flickr... it's really what vlogging should be like. Indeed iPhoto would be a much better interface than iTunes for video media... which iPhoto does support videos, just not video feeds, again... bastards at apple. :PBetter example still...One of my favorite photo-casts is J.D. Lasica's, it corresponds very nicely as a preview of his real people network (video blog) and other blogging endeavors. He's a conference maven and always, always included peoples names and their companies... his network of photocasting, vlogging, and blogging is so damn good I really feel guilty for not paying. Between the three I don't miss anything.And yeah, this multi-modal / multimedic approach... Approaching the same content through different media is superb... see the pictures during the day, take a ride or jog and listen to the audio podcast... watch the video off your ipod that evening. Blog about it or comment tomorrow. Every media type has it's place and value. It's an endlessly subversive and interactive media model. This is what the future of media is all about... not just anytime, or anywhere, but multi-format, immersive reciprocal communications.Speaking of which photos offer an immediacy that absolutely nothing else can offer. This immediacy is something you'll never get in blogging or vlogging... it's like being there... photos sometimes appear
Re: [videoblogging] MySpace replacing television
Randy, 40% that's just wow, I think it may be exaggerated to suggest that this is indicitive of more than one school, but it's very astute. And yeah, myspace's traffic seems to suggest something mad is going on.http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?compare_sites=myspace.com%20nytimes.comy=tq=size=largerange=2yurl="">Tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/z5w5mIt does seem to suggest that yes, myspace is helping move the living room into the university... or wherever they browse from. It's a remarkable change in perception that so many are "putting their feet up" at school.Also, it's funny they don't mention youtube. I assume the bandwidth factor is youtube. Myspace doesn't offer any media hosting does it? I wonder how much of the myspace media is youtube. Anyone know?-MikeOn Apr 26, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote:This item from "Reason Express" should be of interest to those on this list: " MyWastedSpace.comA Texas college has put the squeeze on MySpace.com, but not out of content worries. It is sheer bandwidth-gobbling that has Del Mar College telling students to surf the profile/dating/whatever site on their own Net connections. Campus IT staff determined that 40 percent of all internet traffic at the community college involved MySpace.Del Mar's experience reveals some truths about the digital age. One, MySpace is tremendously popular. Two, Del Mar students must have a lot of free time. One student confirmed that the school's library computers are often tied up with MySpace cruisers.The biggest question: Is Del Mar a good proxy for the entire American college-age population? If so, the simmering question of "where did all the TV watchers go?" has been answered. They're all trolling MySpace.http://apnews.myway.com//article/20060423/D8H5PBIO0.html "Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality Institutehttp://www.blip.tv/posts/?user=Randolfe%20WickerHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: iSquint
I hope so, I love iSquint. It's gottent really, really good.And it's fast. Even on my old media center. By fast I mean it only takes 24 hours to rencode a whole movie in mpeg4. :)-MikeOn Apr 20, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello,I sent the author an e-mail.Like I said though, the author may have just made an honest mistake.See yaOn 4/20/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,Maybe I'm missed something, but iSquint seems to be violating the GNU GPL license.(It's using software licensed under the GNU GPL but is not itself also licensed under that license. And it's not releasing the source code.) Specifically, it is violating the licenses of liba52 and x264. (Both of which it looks like iSquint uses.)Now,... it may be that he's done this by accident. He's linking to FFmpeg; which is (normally) licensed under the GNU LGPL. (And that license does NOT require you to make your software Free and opensource software too. And thus does NOT compel you to release your source code.) But, he's compiling FFmpeg with "--enable-gpl" so that he can bring in liba52 an x264. Which then forces that special version of FFmpeg to become GPL (instead of just LGPL). Which forces iSquint to become GPL. Which compels him to release his source code (under the terms of the GNU GPL).Does anyone know the author of iSquint? See yaOn 4/20/06, bofoboho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all you MAC users. Excellent and FAST tool for converting all you .mov's to your favorite codec~! iSquint Smithie Boho-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.charles @ reptile.casupercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Videoblogging" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/videoblogging -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Reltag support
On Apr 18, 2006, at 11:16 AM, David Meade wrote: ah ok. I may rework how I do most of my tags one day although not today for the same reason #2 you gave. :-) I only did it that way because for a while Technorati really strongly pushed that method. It's still listed as their #1 way to tag items, although they seem to have moved more fully into the rel=tag camp. what we really need is a tag extension for rss (seperate from category) :-PThat's a really good idea. I'm not sure off hand if Media RSS has that already, but I haven't finished realing this thread. My guess is by the time I read all the posts someone will have answered this question throughly.-MikeOn 4/18/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:No, we don't support the category element yet. Two reasons: 1) I think it's philosophically the wrong approach, and2) It's another day of coding and I don't have time right now, gottafinish some consulting work :)Not to say we won't, if I find some time I might implement that. Cheers!PeterOn 4/18/06, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats awesome. Will it also tag posts with the item's category elements in the feed? I typically rely on these for technorati tagging. On 4/18/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, From today, Mefeedia supports the rel=tag standard. This means that you can put tags in your blogpost, and your video will be tagged automatically at Mefeedia. No more having to come to Mefeedia just to tag all your videos. To add tags, just add something like the following to your blogpost: a rel="tag" href=""http://mefeedia.com/tags/videobloggingweek2006/"> http://mefeedia.com/tags/videobloggingweek2006/ "videobloggingweek2006/a As with the other sites that support this standard, the link can go to any website, like Technorati, Wikipedia or Mefeedia, as long as the last part of the link is the same as the tag. We also used our Powers (tm) to run the script back in time, to the beginning of 2006, so if you were already using tags in your blogposts, all your videos have been tagged since January 2006. So all your videoblogging2006 tags are in Mefeedia now, whether you tagged them in Mefeedia or not: http://mefeedia.com/tags/videobloggingweek2006/ Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers, Peter Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com feed: http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed: http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Videoblogging" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/videoblogging -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] NOT The 05 Project.
Welcome back to "normal" Ian.Vlogging is the norm, non-vlogging is just plain weird. :)If RSS works?Is that a technical issue with your feed? Or a question of wether the RSS subscription model is effective?-Mike (major Ian fan too)mmeiser.com/blogOn Apr 15, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Richard Show wrote: cool!!!... Richard (major Ian fan)On 4/12/06, Ian Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all!I'll cut this short. I've started videoblogging again. It's located here: http://www.noservicecharge.com/ Nothing amazing. I just missedthis creative outlet..For the longer version read on:"Ok, I'm bored of my 'break'. I'm coming back. I mean 3 months is enough right? Hell, It's overkill. Towards the end of The…um…lastthing I did, I thought it'd be cool to get back to normal. Now thatI'm here. I realised why I started The… well, the last thing I wasknown for, in the first place. I need the creative outlet. I'm obviously not going to do videos daily like before. But I do plan toat least do a few videos a week. (Let's say two?) It all depends onhow creative I'm feeling.I have a new digital video camera now. So the quality of the videos will look clearer. Although I'm currently still using movie maker…Sodon't expect a dramatic change in quality."I don't know if the RSS thing works. It may do. who knows.That's all.- Ian Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Richard http://www.richardshow.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: converting MPEG-4 videos to iPod format
iSquint! Not sure who asked for a tool that would encode for the ipod on mac, but iSquint is teh bomb. It'll do any QT format... and I think they were working on WMV though it's been a while. But it'll do any format that will open in QT and convert it to either. mp4 or .m4v. It'll even resize it and adjust the frame rate down if you like. I've ripped whole movies and a hard drive full of music videos with it just for fun. It's a little querky, or was the last time I used it, but very simple. Basically you just drop everything in the queue and press go. BTW, I really recommend using mp4... not only is it more likely to play on every operating system then m4v, but also the ipod can play back formats much bigger than 240x320 in mp4. Up to your standard 720pixel wide movie size... or 480x480. It's based on the number of pixels blocks so you can swap hieght for width just as long as it works out to the same resolution. BTW, pixel blocks are either 16 or 32 pixels square. I think 16 pixels. What this means is stick to 16 pixel width and height incriments and don't go over the max total resolution of 480x480, which is 230400 pixels. I know I'm probably way off the pace of the conversation, but I won't won't say anything if you don't. My presence here is rand0m lately. :) -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Apr 7, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Enric wrote: Thanks :) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try this: http://mediacoder.sourceforge.net/ On 4/7/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone here gotten FFMPEG to work on Windows. I had a lot of errors when I compiled it. And then I had difficulty getting it to convert to avi to quicktime. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux supercanadian@ wrote: Hello, On 4/6/06, M. Mart bookmarts@ wrote: Hello: The other day someone here told of an inexpensive piece of software for Macs that will convert MPEG-4 videos into an iPod format using iMovie. What is the name of that software? Thanks Michael You can also use FFmpeg. http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/ (It's Free and Open Source software.) On the Mac there's a GUI program for it (I've heard people recommend). It's called ffmpegX: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/video/ffmpegx.html http://homepage.mac.com/major4/ See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links -- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
Wait. You're only 27? Punk kid, what do you know. Sorry, my bad sense of humor is going to get me in trouble. :) LOL! -Mike On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: The thing with Veoh is only the latest example of something that has been pretty rampant and very troubling with many of the new Flickrs of video -- and that's the institutional disregard for copyright and the massive amount of infringement that is tolerated. Veoh just set up an automated infringement process that seems targeted towards videobloggers since it utilizes RSS. But many of these other services include a lot of infringing content pulled from TV and other places on the web. They do not automate this process, but instead they hide behind their terms of use and say they are not liable for what users happen to post. I've heard as much as 65% of the content on YouTube comes from TV. This is very different from Flickr where over 90% of the images are uploaded by original creators. So, I'm calling bullshit on this. Infringement is not a viable business practice, and it is not possible to continue claiming ignorance and paying lip service to respecting copyright. If you are getting millions of views to a clip owned and produced by NBC-Universal, then you know you are infringing the rights of another entity and benefitting from such actions. Its the same for NBC as it is for any videoblogger. Moreover, I would bet that much of the infringing content comes from a relatively small proportion of users who can be easily tracked... take HH32 for example on vSocial: http://www.vsocial.com/user/?d=451#pagekeep::p,new::b,NewContext::g,1 Here's a user who's uploaded over 800 clips and generated over 3 million remote views. Over 95% of this user's uploaded content comes from television. Some of it is clips from TV news, but most of it is the Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, Daily Show, and Colbert Report. How is it possible that this user continues to have an account at vSocial? Shouldn't this user be banned from the service as s/he is repeatedly using vSocial for infringing purposes? If you're vSocial, you probably sit back and smile at the amount of views this one user is generating, which is obviously a benefit to your service and pumping up your Alexa rankings. Who knows when this user is going to uncover the next viral Lazy Sunday video? Oh, if only we had more users like HH32! Heck, I don't put it past YouTube and some others to be paying or specifically rewarding/encouraging users to engage in this type of activity. Maybe they could win a free iPod! Now, I'm happy to watch South Park as much as the next 27 year old guy. But that doesn't make it right for these companies to host and distribute content for which they do not have permission... maybe they should talk to South Park's syndicate and I'm sure they'd be happy to cut a deal, though it might cost a pretty penny. So, the argument is not simply limited to Veoh and the videoblogging community. But I think something needs to be done about businesses (some well-funded, I might add) who regularly engage in these practices. It gives us all a bad name. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
When I said dragging culture back out of the darknets and onto the open web this is hardly what I though. But heh if you want to try and run a business on copyright infringement go right a head... ...get yourself sued. This particular veoh user, that's just mad, crazy copyright infringement. However I don't personally believe everything is such a clean cut and dry thing. Basically we're in the middel of a prohibition era. Except it's not alchohol and speak easy's, it's about digital culture and darknets. Media is a fundamental part of our cultural language it's use in online discussion is enevitable and in the case of fair use a right. All this is to say... it's going to be a dirty stinking mess for a few years yet, at least. It's probably going to get worse before it get's better. But basically this mess of disturbing actions going both ways from copyright maximalists and copyright infringers through this mess of disturbing actions and precisely because of it is going to sort itself out. What's more... this is a HUGE step forward from the darknet days we've had since napster... by getting media and in essence the cultural dialogue back out onto the open web we can duke it out and make progress on this issue... and it's better to be bloodied and brawling in the streets that it is to be laying in a dark alley in a pool of your own blood. I'm definitely not saying i condone it, what I'm saying is I think it's absolutely freaking awesome this debate is happening... and when and if it hits the press and these issues become the topic of the nightly news like the MySpace and kiddy porn/ stalker /whatever issue... well then no matter how much we loath the mischaracterizations and hype we have to recognize that the very act of debate is progress itself. It's dirty and I don't know about you but I wouldn't want it any other way. Chaos breeds creativity. And so... what's going to come out of this shakedown is nothing less than the future of media... how to monetize... what is fair use... a new definition and pardigm for copyright... the next CNN... the next Time/Warner... this is what we're talking about. The stakes are very high... and people are going to experiment and take risks and get burner and there's going to be hype... Most obviously that people will think that when I say the next Time Warner that this will happen in anything less than the next 20 or so years. It's those people who like in the .com boom are living in the future and don't even realize it... don't realize that the rest of the world is not changing at the same speed as our clicque that are eventually going to get burned. What I'm saying is... slow down. Change doesn't happen overnight. Veoh is way a head of itself here... and it's going to catch up with them, and I don't just mean a lot of vloggers either. I'm starting to wonder if for example Youtube isn't going to end up getting owned by the very people who's media it's profiting off of... in much the same way as napster was owned and is now a shill company for a closed, proprietary, DRM, rent-a-music service noone would ever use. Ohh... such irony. Fun stuff here, this is a good thread, and I've barely gotten into it. -Mike On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:47 PM, T.Whid wrote: So what is the answer? More RIAA and MPAA lawsuits? I'm not excusing it, but if these people are banned on vSocial, they'll just move somewhere else. The genie is out of the bottle and etc first it was napster, then other p2p networks, then bittorrent and now it's these social sites. It will go on and on. You also say you don't buy their excuse that it's their users doing it, but it is really hard to police isn't it? Ban an infringing user, user gets a new email address and starts all over.. hell the smart ones would simply have a few dormant accounts laying around so that as they are banned they move to the new account not missing a step. I'm not excusing the infringers (be they users, corps or whatever) but the solution to this problem is the hard part. Maybe the US judicial system will be Flash out of bizness since it's allowing all this infringement ;-) On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And just to hammer home the point at how easy it is to track down these infringing uses... look at HH32 on vSocial, and then check out that user's network of Friends, many of whom also engage in the same practice... and vSocial looks the other way. Check out Ducksauce's videos: http://www.vsocial.com/user/? d=1397#pagekeep::p,new::b,NewContext::g,1 Almost all Family Guy clips, and has generated 3.5 over million views. Or Porshche911turbo: http://www.vsocial.com/user/? d=190#pagekeep::p,new::b,NewContext::g,1 Similarly filled with infringing content which has generated over 2 million views. Why aren't these user accounts banned? Its pretty obvious that they are generating a huge amount of viewers
Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
And living in a cabin in Montanna. :) On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:52 PM, Enric wrote: News of privacies death has been exaggerated; it's alive and well. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, T.Whid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what is the answer? More RIAA and MPAA lawsuits? I'm not excusing it, but if these people are banned on vSocial, they'll just move somewhere else. The genie is out of the bottle and etc first it was napster, then other p2p networks, then bittorrent and now it's these social sites. It will go on and on. You also say you don't buy their excuse that it's their users doing it, but it is really hard to police isn't it? Ban an infringing user, user gets a new email address and starts all over.. hell the smart ones would simply have a few dormant accounts laying around so that as they are banned they move to the new account not missing a step. I'm not excusing the infringers (be they users, corps or whatever) but the solution to this problem is the hard part. Maybe the US judicial system will be Flash out of bizness since it's allowing all this infringement ;-) On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And just to hammer home the point at how easy it is to track down these infringing uses... look at HH32 on vSocial, and then check out that user's network of Friends, many of whom also engage in the same practice... and vSocial looks the other way. Check out Ducksauce's videos: http://www.vsocial.com/user/?d=1397#pagekeep::p,new::b,NewContext::g,1 Almost all Family Guy clips, and has generated 3.5 over million views. Or Porshche911turbo: http://www.vsocial.com/user/?d=190#pagekeep::p,new::b,NewContext::g,1 Similarly filled with infringing content which has generated over 2 million views. Why aren't these user accounts banned? Its pretty obvious that they are generating a huge amount of viewers for almost exclusively infringing content. Sorry to specifically pick on vSocial, because I know they are not the only ones doing this, but its just very easy to go there and immediately see where much of the infringing content originates. I'm certain its the same with many other video clip sharing sites as well. -Josh On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thing with Veoh is only the latest example of something that has been pretty rampant and very troubling with many of the new Flickrs of video -- and that's the institutional disregard for copyright and the massive amount of infringement that is tolerated. Veoh just set up an automated infringement process that seems targeted towards videobloggers since it utilizes RSS. But many of these other services include a lot of infringing content pulled from TV and other places on the web. They do not automate this process, but instead they hide behind their terms of use and say they are not liable for what users happen to post. I've heard as much as 65% of the content on YouTube comes from TV. This is very different from Flickr where over 90% of the images are uploaded by original creators. So, I'm calling bullshit on this. Infringement is not a viable business practice, and it is not possible to continue claiming ignorance and paying lip service to respecting copyright. If you are getting millions of views to a clip owned and produced by NBC-Universal, then you know you are infringing the rights of another entity and benefitting from such actions. Its the same for NBC as it is for any videoblogger. Moreover, I would bet that much of the infringing content comes from a relatively small proportion of users who can be easily tracked... take HH32 for example on vSocial: http://www.vsocial.com/user/?d=451#pagekeep::p,new::b,NewContext::g,1 Here's a user who's uploaded over 800 clips and generated over 3 million remote views. Over 95% of this user's uploaded content comes from television. Some of it is clips from TV news, but most of it is the Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, Daily Show, and Colbert Report. How is it possible that this user continues to have an account at vSocial? Shouldn't this user be banned from the service as s/he is repeatedly using vSocial for infringing purposes? If you're vSocial, you probably sit back and smile at the amount of views this one user is generating, which is obviously a benefit to your service and pumping up your Alexa rankings. Who knows when this user is going to uncover the next viral Lazy Sunday video? Oh, if only we had more users like HH32! Heck, I don't put it past YouTube and some others to be paying or specifically rewarding/encouraging users to engage in this type of activity. Maybe they could win a free iPod! Now, I'm happy to watch South Park as much as the next 27 year old guy. But that doesn't make it right for these companies to host and distribute content for which they do not have permission... maybe they should talk to South Park's syndicate and I'm sure they'd
Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
I'm going to disagree to agree. Actually banning a user's feed is not just a start it's the solution... feed and user account mechanism are I think more than enough of a trusted unit to discourage abuse. Exibits Exibit A... I thought technoratti tags would encourage spam... little did I realize how powerful a trust mechanism feeds were... you spam... you're feed gets banned. If you can trust a feed you can trust a the tags sufficiently Exibit B... I realized this on mefeedia too.. we can manage or porn spam problem (not to be confused with good legitimate adult content) through very simple user flagging and feed banning either by feed or domain. The amount of effort the inappropriate user has to put into setting up a feed and moving the media to a new new host or moving a domain is infinitely more effort then it takes to root out and ban them. Especially when that effort of discovery of inappropriate content by flagging is shared by the community. This is not to be confused by the way with self censorship... we're well past the point where we need a political oversight committee to determine what is appropriate for us... that's all about personal empowerment... you choose who you subscribe to (aka. trust) and we're even getting to the point of personal blacklisting on the internet in large scale ways. That is self censoring... what I'm talking about is out and out spam. Exibit C... the last exibit is wikipedia... i was disappointed that they had to actually stop allowing anyone to edit without even signing up. Not suprised... but the real revolution and innovation around social engineering with wikipedia is in how they proved how truely open and accessible a webservice could be if engineered properly. Their boundries were amazingly low... you had to have a computer with a basic browser on the internet... that's it for accessibility and trust. All systems have boundriess... this yahoo group has boundries. Part of the big revolution in vlogging and media... over TV is that the boundries have nearly evaporated. So... yeah... basic user accounts and the trusted system of feeds/ subscription is probably all the trust we'll ever need. If anything I think in the future these boundaries will get even shades more open, or shades softer as it is probably better put. All veoh has to do is kill this users feed and he's lost hundreds of hours of work and time... their effort is negligent... the real issue therefore is a) not abusing power, and b) their politics, particularly that they benifit from this sort of infringement... But let's be clear... this is not a crisis... it's damn good debate... I have yet to see the cricis in this issue if one exist. Veoh... at the most is using negligble judgement on fair use... and do to the state of copyright law neither them nor us can really make that call until they find themselves in court... which is why we need this knock down drag out debate about copyright issues, creative commons, copyleft and copyright reform. Good stuff. -Mike On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:57 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I don't think looking the other way is a good solution. Yes, a user could get a new email address and start again, or move on to another service and do the same. But I think banning the user for violating the terms of use (which likely forbid using the service for infringment) is a start. -Josh On 4/8/06, T. Whid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what is the answer? More RIAA and MPAA lawsuits? I'm not excusing it, but if these people are banned on vSocial, they'll just move somewhere else. The genie is out of the bottle and etc first it was napster, then other p2p networks, then bittorrent and now it's these social sites. It will go on and on. You also say you don't buy their excuse that it's their users doing it, but it is really hard to police isn't it? Ban an infringing user, user gets a new email address and starts all over.. hell the smart ones would simply have a few dormant accounts laying around so that as they are banned they move to the new account not missing a step. I'm not excusing the infringers (be they users, corps or whatever) but the solution to this problem is the hard part. Maybe the US judicial system will be Flash out of bizness since it's allowing all this infringement ;-) On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And just to hammer home the point at how easy it is to track down these infringing uses... look at HH32 on vSocial, and then check out that user's network of Friends, many of whom also engage in the same practice... and vSocial looks the other way. Check out Ducksauce's videos: http://www.vsocial.com/user/? d=1397#pagekeep::p,new::b,NewContext::g,1 Almost all Family Guy clips, and has generated 3.5 over million views. Or Porshche911turbo: http://www.vsocial.com/user/? d=190#pagekeep::p,new::b,NewContext::g,1 Similarly
Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Please, its dead easy to recognize where most of the infringement occurs and to cut it down. Simply banning the accounts of those users would likely eliminate much of the infringing cases. You could also sample a user's first several uploads to see if they have a pattern of infringement. Or check the clips that generate the most traffic and weed out the infringing cases. Its really not so difficult, and if these services are worth their salt they are tracking EVERYTHING! I think its the duty of these services to enforce their terms of use and to eliminate violations. Especially high profile violations that are getting millions of views. The top viral clip on vSocial has over 20 million remote views. Its a clip from Family Guy (Peanut BUtter Jelly Time). It should be removed of course, it is not in the interest of the service to remove its top performing clip. This is where the problem lies. These services directly benefit from the traffic generated by prolific infringement. In fact, vSocial goes so far as to feature infringing content all over the front of their website, thus further encouraging these cases. And you're telling me they can't identify what is infringing and where its coming from? Give me a break! They have a duty to enforce their terms of use and they strategically look the other way. YouTube did the same thing with Lazy Sunday, and its what catapulted their traffic into a surging upswing. Josh, while I 100% agree with you, I think that this mess is unavoidable and necessary. I think this is where we line up opposing boing boing on the whole youtube issue. I think boingboing was wrong about it being OK that Youtube violated NBC's copyright by hosting and offering lazy sunday. Just because it helps NBC doesn't make it ok... Someone mentioned link-backs. As important as permalinks are to the original site... the implication is the same.. it still doesn't make it legal. However therein is the rub... I'm secretly cheering because this is precisely what's getting worked out. The law is being broken, but business cases are being bad... we (and by we I mean Youtube and NBC) are simultaneously learning. a) where is the line on fair use b) that there's a huge business case for media sharing... which is something everyone in the world has been saying for years but traditional media companies and record labels haven't been getting. It's throw down, knockout time in the street... and that's just fine by me... the 'conversation' is what's important. We have a huge amount to learn about the upsides and downsides and business cases for a future where media is participatory and social... and a huge amount of push back and reform on copyright law. Experimentation is important. Oh, and BTW, You did notice that The Last minute vlog... or was it Jackson's Junction slayed Rocketboom and Mobuzz in the last bloggies. No contest... and btw, that's NO reflection on value... everyone should be clear by now that popularity doesn't equal value in this word of thousands of vlogs most with less than 100 viewers... but the point is the last minute vlog and Jackson's junction are also made up of almost nothing but news clips... but these vlogs ROCK, and this is fair use at it's finest because the clips are being use specifically for media and political debate. This is the essence of pushing fair use to it's finest point. Much like the movie Outfox which used tremendous amounts of TV news clips to shape commentary. This is not to be confused though with posting the lazy sunday video or entertaining tv clips for enjoyment and to boost your traffic. Somewhere between those two there is a very very fine, complex and very argumentative line. -Mike -josh On 4/8/06, T. Whid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it may be these web sites only option if they are going to provide tools to allow users to upload videos. Once one institutes a policy of policing every user video, it seems you could open yourself up to all sorts of legal complications. It would also be very costly. My point here isn't that it's OK for a company to grab enclosures from feeds and use it as content for their site. But if a company is providing tools for users to upload video, there may be no business model that allows that service with the amount of policing it would require to make sure those videos aren't infringing on people's IP and copyrights. On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think looking the other way is a good solution. Yes, a user could get a new email address and start again, or move on to another service and do the same. But I think banning the user for violating the terms of use (which likely forbid using the service for infringment) is a start. -Josh On 4/8/06, T. Whid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what is the answer? More
Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Adam Quirk wrote: On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The top viral clip on vSocial has over 20 million remote views. Its a clip from Family Guy ("Peanut BUtter Jelly Time"). It should be removed of course, it is not in the interest of the service to remove its top performing clip. This is where the problem lies.If Fox thought it should be removed, wouldn't they have requested it?Could it be that Family Guy or Fox hasn't requested them to take it down maybe because they enjoy the viral exposure? Exposure that gives them more value to advertisers? There we are, arguing the business argument.If I could only dream that Fox was that intelligent.While Fox may not be this intelligent Comedy central has been almost legendarily so. As far as i remember Comedy central actually allowed a tremendous amount of South Park to be downloaded back when it was still getting going... and now they've been actually allowing a trmendous amount of Daily show clips to be passed around... There is no finer example of progressive use of so called 'clip culture' for great promotional effect. There is pretty much an undisputable relationship between the clip sharing culture around the daily show and it's popularity. In fact I would argue that it's getting to be quite and enterprising and well oiled machine.Anyway... come hell or high water this is where media is going...Now let's get a little progressive thinking.What happens when Commedy Central stops simply "allowing" clip sharing.What happens when commedy central creates a clip sharing network?When they start digitizing their own microcontent and placing it on a dedicated site in feeds... with comments... maybe tagging... maybe with the abiltity to mix your own queue... or playlists... group dissusions, favoriting and digging them... input boxes filled with code so you can copy and paste to embed them in a blog post.What happens when all you have to do is remember dailyshow.com and know that the latest clips will always be there... and what happens when they leverage that in with all their fake news and reporting?You know... what happens when commedy central does that?And then what? what'll be next?What advertisers will then want to enter that space?Where will they come from?How will they advertise and what will their ads be like now that they no longer can be forced upon the popultion... but also now that they no longer have a 30 second time constraint?I like the rocketboom ad idea... narative ads, skipable ads...Ads can definitely become content in their own right. They too have value. They loose that they can't be forced upon people, but think about how much they gain.So... let me ask you this devils advocate question... what if I just want the ads? What if I don't want to watch the rocketboom, but to check out this particular ad... or perhaps a series of ads? Why can't the add also be more accessible?What if I'm going to by a volvo and I have to sift through all those old rocketboom shows just to get to my Amanda volvo ads. The new pardigm will even change our notions of value on their nose.In the future the ads will be as relevant to the conversation as the content itself... because in a 2 way world irrelevant advertising can't survive.That's the hidden lesson of viral ads most have yet to see. We know somehow they reflect the future but we're not sure quite how. It's not that the future of advertising and media is some guy getting hit in the balls, maybe it is, but that whatever it is, it'll be relevant or it won't be in your feed or your face.Anyway, I'm going to shut up now.Peace,-Mike SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:40 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: This is a strange argument and my feelings on copyrights are still developing but have changed alot over the last year while watching everything that is going on. Remember when iFilm was the biggest video website on the net? Not only did they hold as much copyrighted material as they could, they were the ones that populated it. iFilm even designed their activity to anticipate content and would create searchable landing pages for the copyrighted material before it was even released. iFilm was bought by MTV last year and to my astonishment, I just found out the other day that iFilm was never once sued. No, they were rewarded for being pirates by stealing and hosting all of the content where they had the most invasive and likely profitable advertisements blasted everywhere on the site, on the way to the videos, in front of the videos, at the end, it was amazing - people would tolerate it because they had no choice. Now look at YouTube. Even if they dont populate the videos themselves, they gladly host them and now that they have disregarded copyright laws, they have been rewarded with an 8 million dollar VC round in anticipation of flipping the company in a sell-out for whats likely worth over 100million. The fury of this thread has to do with smaller sites who perhaps aspire to become the YouTube and iFilm of the net and its not unreasonable to think they would do the same kind of activity. After all, look at the rewards, it seems to be working and it seems to be what people want. Now take Ourmedia, who does not condone copyrighted material on the site. I was just speaking with J.D. the other day about this. The kind of intent and the emphasis on community should be catching more fire in the midst of all these mega-video sites. Amen... in fact believe me... the clip culture fad will pass... it's as common as the train wreck the spectakle... heh! look it's me in the mirror... on big hurrah for user generated content as we see all our ugly mugs in the camera lipsynching mayahe! mayaha!... and then we'll get over it... in a year or two. And we'll com back to media as an aspect of culture and communication... not spectacle. So, everything I have mentioned so far is standard procedure and normal, and not that unexpected. But what I find really twisted is that a lot of us are calling for a change in copyright law - we are supporting a mash-up culture, we question the need to pay music royalties on coincidental background music, we are inspired by and want to see change in the way content has been so controlled and delivered. So its like everyone is trying to put out the fire that is the spark most likely to bring change. Last sentence didn't make any sense to me? Perhaps you meant that it's the spark of the idea not the flame of the spactcle that's bringing the change? I'm not sure. So why all the kicking and screaming? If iFilm has never been sued, YouTube gets millions for hosting any video anyone puts there and even Google allows it and supports it, most of the content creators are looking the other way because its promotion for them and no bandwidth cost, lets take the opportunity perhaps to rejoice and be more free. Before the lobby money rolls into Washington behind the traditional content gatekeepers, it's going to be common law by then. If I ever get stopped for J-walking on 42nd street when there is no traffic, I feel quite sure I can show that I was singled out unfairly. Look at the Beatles for example. They have taken it upon themselves to enforce their own music use. We all know that we can't use Beatles music, they dont want us to, they will definitely find us and come try and get us to stop, they will try to sue us, and its pretty much been working. Its a cultural taboo now to use their music because we all know they don't want us to. Otherwise, what's the problem? Is anyone that has been complaining about Veoh (including me once before) lost any money or viewers because of them? You lost me. What's at stake here is nothing but the great debate itself... who controls and can participate in culture and the shapping of it. You tube doesn't promote a fair, balanced, and transparent media... people are pissed about it. And it's to rocketboom's detriment too because it edges out our open markets with level playing fields like the blogosphere and vlogosphere and it substites in their place a closed, proprietay and tyranical maketplace for information... eventually though i think the open web will gobble it up because innovation will stear around it. -Mike Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
Re: [videoblogging] Re: big announcement
LOL! You mean videoblogging isn't a subset of pest control? One day I want to see a commercial parody of the now famous cat hearders commercial... Fireant, Vlogdir, Mefeedia, Blip, Ourmedia, place your company name here We make wrangle yer' videos so you don't have to. Yeeehaa! Head em up! Move em out! LOL Also, I'm still sort of hoping at the end of the day I can write a blog post about all the companies Yahoo bought today. Nothing would please me more than to have gigantic list. Hint, Hint. ;) BTW, You do realize this is a common theme. Last year there were a number of them. If my memory serves me correctly among others I think it was Weblogs Inc. or Engadget who started a rumor that they got bought out by yahoo for April fools. I really enjoyed catching up on this thread. We need more yahoos on the web. Not Yahoo!, but the type of crazy yahoo's that make meta and media wranglin' startups. Aggregators, to search engines, to hosting companies, to open source vlogging platforms and plugins. Last time I guestimated there were no less that 30 or 40 video sharing services and yet there's still not enough of the right kind. I've completely lost track, but the important ones are the vlogorific ones, and there's only a small handful of those. Cheers to vlog services and above all to the vloggers who make it all that make it all worth while. -Mike On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:03 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Yep, those ads show up on my Flickr page too. Anybody wanna donate some money to us so we can outbid the exterminators for the keywords? :-) -Josh http://FireAnt.tv On 4/1/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a sneaky feeling you were screwing with us, particularly when I searched for mefeedia on Google News and Technorati and couldn't find any coverage of it. (btw, when I searched for it on Technorati, all the google ads on the page had to do with killing fire ants: * Tired of Fire Ants? Control fire ants in your lawn for one full year with one treatment. www.nofireants.com * Terminix - Fire Ant Terminix offers guaranteed pest control services for your home and business. Visit Terminix.com to learn about controlling various pests. Safeguard your home - schedule a free evaluation. www.terminix.com * Fire Ant Killer Bait Wipe out ants safely and completely in 3 days. It is safe to human, animals and poultry. This pest control product comes with risk-free, 100% money-back guarantee. www.firstpestcontrol.com Not exactly fireANT, are they? Got a nice laugh out of that. andy carvin www.andycarvin.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK I told myself the first person who mentiones the date - that's when I fess up. April's fool. Mefeedia hasn't been acquired by anyone. I laughed a lot though. Quite a few people sent me private congratulatory emails, and were really surprised when I told them the truth. Back to the usual programming! Peter -- http://mefeedia.com On 4/1/06, André Sala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congrats! Hope this isn't related to today being April Fools though... :) On 4/1/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have wanted to tell people this for a long time, but I wasn't allowed to. So sorry to a bunch of you who should have known this, sorry for having to keep you in the dark. I received an offer I couldn't refuse from Yahoo to buy Mefeedia. I'm sure you all will have lots of questions (sellout?), and I'll talk more about this in time, but I just wanted to get this out there. I am very excited, particularly because my new boss is Lucas Gonze (from Webjay fame). So there we go! Lots of exciting future plans. Just let me assure everyone: in my discussions, I emphasized the importance of a good directory that is focused on *videobloggers*, and Lucas is totally with that. Cheers, Peter -- http://mefeedia.com ps: yes, this is also the reason behind the recent speed improvements. We still haven't moved the entire infrastructure (the thumbs particularly) to Yahoo infrastructure, but we should be there by Wednesday. Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Of By and For
bsession in developing discussion around all areas of podcasting... audio, photo, and video. Please feel free to join up. I can't promise you much but I can promise you big beautiful highres photos in your photocasting aggregator, if only my own. :)but then flickr would have to get it's RSS feeds together (they suck - they ignore creative commons based searches)Hmm... I think you may be right. Their media RSS support is a very good start in my opinion. I'm VERY pleased with their initial implementation, but there are still a few eccentricities that must be worked out.In summary, I'm sorry for using Lan beautiful photos and this thread as a touch point to discuss my "issues" of form and functionality and hope that my ubergeeking can be forgiven by all of our mutual love for the almighty permalink that truely does bind us all.Peace, and amen.-MikeEvangelist of the church of the permalink, by order of the way of the lightnet. :)mmeiser.com/blogspreadthemedia.orgmefeedia.comLover of Ant and Blip and Webjay and ALL the true free ways of the lighnet media-verse.LOLDamn, I miss the loss of vlog group time. :) Michael Meiser wrote: Happy to see the get togethers. No offence Lan, but I found your slide show viewer a little silly. The navigation was hard to use because of the scaling and it kept moving as the picture format changed, also there were no captions and most importantly there was nowhere to comment so I could tell you how much I like your photos. If I may suggest Flickr or 23hq.com or some other such photosharing site in the future, I'm sure you'll get loads of comments and discussion. Also, that way I can mark you as a friend or subscribe to your RSS feed so I'll be sure to recieve future photos from you. Peace, and thanks for posting the photos. -Mike On Mar 31, 2006, at 4:11 AM, Markus Sandy wrote: Here here. Roger put on a fantastic show and the Echo Park Film Center rocks. We can learn a lot from places like that. Great to meet you Lan! Lan Bui wrote: Todays event was great. We watched some great vlogs and had some good chats. Sorry I had to leave so quickly, a late night prior commitment was made. Here are some photos from the event. http://www.lanbui.com/photos/gallery/ofbyandfor/index.htm -Lan Original Message Subject: Of By and For // Los Angeles // March 30 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:27:50 -0800 From: Of By And For [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings all. Just wanted to send out the release about the upcoming showcase this week. Please forward this to anyone you think would be interested especially those in the Los Angeles area. Also if you would like to help promote the event on your own sites there are a couple a web banners @ ofbyandfor.blogspot.com Again thanks for participating and hopefully this will be the first of many to come. Blessings Roger --- March 23, 2006 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE OF BY and FOR: videoblog selections from around the globe Join us for an evening filled with videos from around the world made by people who have taken blogging to the next level. On Thursday, March 30th at 8PM, HEADUCATE media presents "Of By and For: videoblog selections from around the globe." Gathered from various blogs, this showcase will feature videos from different countries with topics ranging from experimental to documentary to comedy. Stick around afterwards for a presentation by Markus Sandy from Node101. There will also be a Q session so you can find out more on how to start videoblogging on your own as well as giveaways by Graphonic clothing. The event takes place at the Echo Park Film Center located at 1200 N. Alvarado St. and Sunset Blvd. Seating is limited so arrive early (RSVP if you can). Suggested donation is $5. For more information go to: OfByandFor.blogspot.com or call 818-554-2731 Yahoo! Groups Links -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Productive Member of the Group
Sull, Susan, David, Bill, Verdi, and people I missed... You all make flames fun. I could stop reading no more than I could stop laughing. Sull, just to be clear, I for one don't want to see you in your unmention-ables. I just wanted to be clear on that, because there's been so much of that going around that with this group you really never can tell what you'll see next. Keep your pants on people. :) This is the videoblogging group right? We have a serious lack of boundries here. I know that's what I love most about this group. Perhaps we should start a naked videoblogging group? LOL everyone. Peace, Mike On Apr 1, 2006, at 4:37 PM, Lisa wrote: As a Former Rocky Horror Picture Show Enthusiast... I would looove to see Bill in some fishnets, bustier, and some patent stilettos Could be highly entertaining ;} As a reserved and responsible wife and a mother of fourI'm shocked! Shocked I say!! Daughtershow www.daughtershow.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I second that emotion! :D Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: I'll second that. Bill in a little lacy teddy could do wonders for the vlogging community. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy markus@ wrote: did i miss a video bill? i'd like to see that one ;) Bill Streeter wrote: Yeah says you. I tried that and it didn't do shit for me. I had to resort to rock'n'roll. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Casey McKinnon mskitka@ wrote: Then again... you could always pose in your lingerie, that seems to work too! :P -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] vPIP 0.13 Beta is out
Sweet plugin Enric. I know I've been quiet, but when I talk about the need for independant, open source development to extend the video blogging platform and make vlogging more accessible to everyone. This is exactly what I mean. Wordpress in particular is an excellent place to start. BTW, did you catch the Wordpress podpress plugin. I realized after I posted it that there had already been some lite discussion of it. But I haven't heard a peep from anyone who's tried it in the vlog community. They've discussed it heavily on the podcasting yahoo group. BTW, sorry it's taking so long to get spreadthemedia.org going. We're all very busy people, but someday soon we'll have a wikiesque directory of open source projects... It just takes time. Peace, -Mike On Apr 1, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Enric wrote: New in 0.13 Beta Release - The Generate vPIP vPIP HTML code utility is incorporated in Wordpress. It's available from the blue vPIP button below the text box when writing a post. - Multiple video formats can be included in one vPIP entry. A links for a combination of quicktime, windows media and flash videos will activate in the same vPIP entry. vPIP Install and Usage page --- http://utilities.cinegage.com/videos-playing-in-place What is vPIP? - vPIP (videos Playing In Place) allows the embedding of videos only when a link, usually image representing the video, is clicked. This allows a vlog page to load quickly. Then when the link is clicked, the video replaces the link and appears next to the blog text. vPIP supports Quicktime, Windows Media and Flash movies. vPIP is a javascript program available for all blogging and website systems and a Wordpress plugin. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Fwd: Announcing RSS feeds on Google Video (alpha)
Thanks for posting this Joly. I see from looking at your feed that feedburner is not turning any of the media RSS elements into a standard RSS 2.0 enclosure, so I'm guessing your feed won't work in iTune, Fireant or any other video aggregator that doesn't support Media RSS. Just for the heck of it I decided to try to put it through Mefeedia. I would appear mefeedia does recognize the first media RSS specified item which is Flash, but due to google's extremely long urls mefeedia truncates teh url causeing it to be useless. I'm recommending to Peter and devlon that we add support for google's longer urls and in the future we will hopefully at some point in the future mefeedia will have full support for alternative media RSS specified formats like MP4 and WMV so that a user can choose their preferred format. -Mike On Mar 11, 2006, at 3:44 PM, WWWhatsup wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Google is pleased to announce an alpha release of RSS feeds on Google Video. This is our first release of RSS feeds on Google Video and we're contacting this group because we'd like to receive feedback on our implementation. Specifically, we've implemented portions of the MediaRSS extension and would like to make sure that what we've done is standards-compliant and works well in a variety of RSS readers. We also are interested in feedback regarding additional information that would be useful to include in the feeds. The RSS feature is not yet linked on our site, so to access it you'll need to use the links below. To access a feed of popular videos, go to http://video.google.com/videofeed?type=popularnum=20output=rss To access a feed of any search results page, go to http://video.google.com/videofeed?type=searchq=type% 3Agpicknum=20output=rss In both cases, the num parameter can take any value from 1 to 100. In the case of search, the q parameter is the search query, and so can be anything you might see in a Google Video search URL. Furthermore, any other parameters that are accepted by Google Video search (e.g. for sort order) can be used here. Please respond to this post with any feedback you may have. Thanks for your help and for your interest in Google Video! - The Google Video team -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- thus punkcast vids on google are at http://video.google.com/videofeed? type=searchq=punkcastnum=20output=rss which, in feedburner, looks like this: http://feeds.feedburner.com/GoogleVideo-Punkcast I have, incidentally, been experiencing difficulty uploading to google video - much of the time, seemingly capriciously, I just can't login with their uploader program. Apart from that, and waiting a day for validation, it's an excellent service. joly --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom
Perhaps just in case Andrew should make the words rocketboom yeah a link in case the redirect doesn't work. I'd be curious to know how many people are baffled by rocketboom.com because that little redirect doesn't work for them. It may only be a handful a day or a week, but that really ads up, and why? It's a needless issue. :) -Mike http://mmeiser.com/blog http://mefeedia.com On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Casey McKinnon wrote: When you go to Rocketboom.com you get a message that says rocketboom yea and then it is supposed to automatically forward you to rocketboom.com/vlog. This works on my computer in both Firefox and IE. Perhaps you'll have more luck if you link directly to the vlog page as follows: http://www.rocketboom.com/vlog/ Yours, Casey http://www.kitkast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, BevSykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been wy out of the loop and unable to watch any videos for awhile. Just tried to check Rocketboom and couldn't find it. All I get is a rocketboom yea message on the page. What's up? -- Bev Blog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/ Journal: http://funnytheworld.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: VLOGGERS UNITE
I just find one thing funny. That posting your posts to a yahoo group is the fastest way to get your pages listed. Quite frankly the fastest way to get your pages listed is through your RSS feed. Specifically if you use feedburner as that no only indexes your feed and pings all the relevant websites, but also includes mediaRSS info which is sent straight to yahoo. Furthermore building an audience of subscribers through actually offering value not spam is the best possible way to build a long term repeat audience... focus on promoting subscriptions not just individual posts. Visitors to your site come and go, subscribers stick around. When I heard about this proposed yahoo group I simply heard the term spam group. By all means though if you want to spam yourself and others who would spam you go right a head. A giant echo chamber... people yelling at each other... check out my feed, no check out my feed. Everyone shouting noone listening. I think it'd be funny. Just don't do it here. And btw, for future reference, people don't like being experimented with that definitely does not make it OK. In fact it may offend people worse than just being clueless, because it's condescending too. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Mar 31, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you know anything about Internet marketing. If you did, you would know the difference between a discussion group and an audience for spam. I think thats a very important point that helps explain this groups stance on what are not acceptable ways to do business here. Of course there is no single groupview on this or any other issue, but certaint kinds of marketing are definately one of the things that gets some vocal peoples backs up here. I personally dislike marketing in general, but I have a passionate hate for really vulgar marketing sales techniques, adverts etc. Now it seems to be that these days there are a lot of companies that are doing the modern style of sleek seductive advertising, and internet savvy/more ethical/less vulgar type stuff. And this stuff is bound to be a bit more palatable to a wider range of people and the blogosphere than the other sort of marketing, the sort that gives marketing a bad name, and that I have ranted about in the past. If Im not mistaken this latest vulgar marketeer has tried an ebay auction of pixels on his site, and the marketing used on the ebay auction page for that item is just a classic example of the kind of marketing that will get you a lot of heat from people. It makes some people hopping mad, I will speculate as to some of the reasons why: 1) A relentless hard sell. If the product is worth it, why the need for hard sell? 2) The hideously outdated and tacky use of a few specific font attributes. Clearly there must be a long tradition of dodgy marketeers selling other would-be marketeers stupid guides that say that using red sentences and ALL CAPITALS at specific moments, then throw in some blue sentences, along with a relentless style of bullshit, will just melt those potential customers minds and the dollars will come a flowing. NO! It looks bad enough on backpage classified adverts, on the internet it just looks like laughable parpings of the truly desperate. 3) The term 'viral marketing' is used. It wouldnt be called viral if it was a nice thing. Does that make the person behind viral marketing campaign a virus? If so then is an angry response a yahoo groups best innoculation against such a virus? Oh well I dont know why Im bothering with this rant, experience so far is that the people who indulge in such stuff never seem to understand why some people get so upset with it and them. They dont see anything wrong with it, which is understandable as humans need to self-rationalise their own behaviour. So its percieved that we who moan are the problem, that we must be a minority, so its worth setting up another group where the majority will live happily with the viral marketing slugs and be happy to be crudely manipulated by them using the power of red fonts and half-understood pseudo-marketing techniques. Nah, anyway I think the biggest brainwrong is the assumption that its only a minority who hate this sort of marketing. I happen to think that most people are against hard selling because if something is worth buying, why the need to push it so. And its totally natural that humans hate the idea of being manipulated by anybody else. So whilst they may still sometimes fall for sophisticated advertising or subtle uses of emotions in adverts (or even not so subtle uses of eg sex to sell), they will not have pleasant thoughts about stuff that is not subtle, is pushy or invasive etc. A bizarre test of this opinion of mine that the majority hate such things, would be wrestling. A wrestler with the gimic of doing
Re: [videoblogging] Of By and For
Happy to see the get togethers. No offence Lan, but I found your slide show viewer a little silly. The navigation was hard to use because of the scaling and it kept moving as the picture format changed, also there were no captions and most importantly there was nowhere to comment so I could tell you how much I like your photos. If I may suggest Flickr or 23hq.com or some other such photosharing site in the future, I'm sure you'll get loads of comments and discussion. Also, that way I can mark you as a friend or subscribe to your RSS feed so I'll be sure to recieve future photos from you. Peace, and thanks for posting the photos. -Mike On Mar 31, 2006, at 4:11 AM, Markus Sandy wrote: Here here. Roger put on a fantastic show and the Echo Park Film Center rocks. We can learn a lot from places like that. Great to meet you Lan! Lan Bui wrote: Todays event was great. We watched some great vlogs and had some good chats. Sorry I had to leave so quickly, a late night prior commitment was made. Here are some photos from the event. http://www.lanbui.com/photos/gallery/ofbyandfor/index.htm -Lan Original Message Subject: Of By and For // Los Angeles // March 30 Date:Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:27:50 -0800 From:Of By And For [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings all. Just wanted to send out the release about the upcoming showcase this week. Please forward this to anyone you think would be interested especially those in the Los Angeles area. Also if you would like to help promote the event on your own sites there are a couple a web banners @ ofbyandfor.blogspot.com Again thanks for participating and hopefully this will be the first of many to come. Blessings Roger --- March 23, 2006 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE OF BY and FOR: videoblog selections from around the globe Join us for an evening filled with videos from around the world made by people who have taken blogging to the next level. On Thursday, March 30th at 8PM, HEADUCATE media presents Of By and For: videoblog selections from around the globe. Gathered from various blogs, this showcase will feature videos from different countries with topics ranging from experimental to documentary to comedy. Stick around afterwards for a presentation by Markus Sandy from Node101. There will also be a QA session so you can find out more on how to start videoblogging on your own as well as giveaways by Graphonic clothing. The event takes place at the Echo Park Film Center located at 1200 N. Alvarado St. and Sunset Blvd. Seating is limited so arrive early (RSVP if you can). Suggested donation is $5. For more information go to: OfByandFor.blogspot.com or call 818-554-2731 Yahoo! Groups Links -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Fwd: [podcasters] I'm loving the new Podpress
I'm posting this to a few groups, forgive me if you think it's spam.Thought ya'll might find this very interesting. I haven't checked it out yet.(see forwarded email below)Now wouldn't this be nice if it included automatic transoding?And how about actually automatically adding your title sequence intro, your outro, even perhaps a watermark or logo.You could take all those little unedited 30 second videos right off your camera or cell phone and post them right to your vlog.Yeap, I'm nutty that way...This sounds like a big step in the right direction... Ourmedia, Blip, and all the posting and hosting services should pay attention to these feature sets.Making videoblogging more accessible to everyone is probably the single most important issue right now to it's success and with it all the startups and individuals in this space. Tools like this help everyone.-Mikemmeiser.com/blogmefeedia.comBegin forwarded message:From: "Will Brown" Date: March 28, 2006 8:05:18 PM GMT-05:00To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [podcasters] I'm loving the new PodpressReply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally a good iTunes compatible RSS Wordpress plugin! It simplified thingsfor me and may help someone else as well.http://www.mightyseek.com/podpress/After weeks of searching for a good one and switching over to hand-jamming afellow podcaster turned me on to Podpress.Here are the features: - Full featured and automatic feed generation (RSS2, iTunes and ATOM) - Auto Generation of enclosure tag - Preview of what your Podcast will look like on iTunes - Podcast Download stats - Support for Premium Content (Pay Only) - Makes adding a Podcast to a Post very simple - View MP3 Files ID3 tags when your Posting - Control over where the player will display within your post. - Support for various formats, including Video Podcasting - Supports unlimited number of media files. - Automatic Media player for MP3, MP4, MOV, FLV, ASF, WMV, AVI, and more, with inline and Popup Window support. - Preview image for videos - Easy way to link to your podcast within iTunes - Ability to automatically add your Podtrac prefix to your file URLI've only been using it since Sunday and am very impressed with the results.Dave from the School of Podcasting made a great install-to-implementationvideo for it as well:http://www.mightyseek.com/podpress-tutorial/Check it out.--http://www.CloudyDayArt.comPoetry - People - Podcast[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Rocketboom/NHK/Japanese TV
Would love to see that, wether it's translated in english or not. Love the vlog Nathan, I catch it regularly even if I don't comment as much as I should. :( I blame it on Apple and their boycot of permalinks in iTunes and iPhoto. -Mike On Mar 20, 2006, at 11:35 PM, Nathan Miller wrote: Haven't got a link, however there was a 30 minute story on Japanese national TV last night, RB was featured...actually didn't get to see the broadcast... If I get my hands on a copy well share! I imagine there is a link, or a copy of the show somewhere on the net...h... anyhow congrats! nathan miller www.bicycle-sidewalk.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: sxsw mentions
heh, yeah, Please tag all your videos with SXSW wether on mefeedia.com, blip.tv, del.icio.us or fireant. I've been trying to create a repository on Mefeedia. BTW, the vlogosphere needs better search. I need to be able to search the entire vlogosphere for posts with videos that mention SXSW. And yeah, I'm speaking about mefeedia.com search... It's almost there but NOT. It only allows you to search videos if they're tagged yet. Currently there's no way to search the vlogosphere like you can search the blogosphere like technoratti. Right now blogdigger is the best thing I can find. http://blogdigger.com/media/search.jsp?q=SXSWmedia=video And I must admit it works decently, but I think it may be missing stuff. Hard to say at this point. SXSW is a great keyword. I popped the search result feed from blogdigger into Mefeedia. http://mefeedia.com/feeds/6919/ Check out the interactive QT from the Flock presentation. It's interactive QT export from keynote, very slick, but the back button doesn't always work. :) Peace, -Mike On Mar 20, 2006, at 10:07 PM, Peter Van Dijck wrote: I don't think there's an easy way... you can tag them though, and add them to this page: http://mefeedia.com/tags/sxsw/ Peter -- http://mefeedia.com On 3/20/06, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... so how do I go about having my vids show up in that feed? I admit that I don't know how... Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are quite a few videos from SXSW http://mefeedia.com/feeds/6919/ And more to come I hope from the vloggers who were there..? I wish I was there.. Peter -- mefeedia.com On 3/20/06, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very cool stuff! And I was THERE! :D I've got some of the highlights of Mike from blip.tv's panel appearance on my vlog--check it out. Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy markus@ wrote: good post on GigaOM nice mention of videoblogging group members mike hudack, dave toole and eric rice http://gigaom.com/2006/03/19/sxsw-2006-the-final-episode/ -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: sxsw mentions
Well, it seems to return some userful results, so that's what's important.http://www.podzinger.com/results.jsp?q=SXSWcol=videopodsDevlon, which search is this? I got tag search and feed search, but need video post search.BTW, there's a SXSW vlog http://mefeedia.com/feeds/245/-MikeOn Mar 21, 2006, at 1:15 AM, Anne Walk wrote: i agree, Michael and Devlon, there needs to be a better way to search video. did you see that podzinger is searching video now? they're making an api too but i don't know when it will be out. mefeedia and others should get a hold of it when it comes out and make the videos searchable without tagging. that would be sweet!anneOn 3/20/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/20/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:heh, yeah, Please tag all your videos with SXSW wether on mefeedia.com, blip.tv , del.icio.us or fireant.Yes, please do, I am trying to live vicariously through the videos...I couldn't go :( I've been trying to create a repository on Mefeedia. BTW, the vlogosphere needs better search. I need to be able to search the entire vlogosphere for posts with videos that mention SXSW. And yeah, I'm speaking about mefeedia.com search... It's almost there but NOT. It only allows you to search videos if they're tagged yet.It does need to search better, but it can only search feeds that have been added to it. Currently there's no way to search the vlogosphere like you can search the blogosphere like technoratti. Right now blogdigger is the best thing I can find. http://blogdigger.com/media/search.jsp?q=SXSWmedia=video And I must admit it works decently, but I think it may be missing stuff. Hard to say at this point. SXSW is a great keyword. I popped the search result feed from blogdigger into Mefeedia. http://mefeedia.com/feeds/6919/ Check out the interactive QT from the Flock presentation. It's interactive QT export from keynote, very slick, but the back button doesn't always work. :) Peace, -Mike On Mar 20, 2006, at 10:07 PM, Peter Van Dijck wrote: I don't think there's an easy way... you can tag them though, and add them to this page: http://mefeedia.com/tags/sxsw/ Peter -- http://mefeedia.com On 3/20/06, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... so how do I go about having my vids show up in that feed? I admit that I don't know how... Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are quite a few videos from SXSW http://mefeedia.com/feeds/6919/ And more to come I hope from the vloggers who were there..? I wish I was there.. Peter -- mefeedia.com On 3/20/06, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very cool stuff! And I was THERE! :D I've got some of the highlights of Mike from blip.tv's panel appearance on my vlog--check it out. Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy markus@ wrote: good post on GigaOM nice mention of videoblogging group members mike hudack, dave toole and eric rice http://gigaom.com/2006/03/19/sxsw-2006-the-final-episode/ --Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.com | http://loadedpun.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.comhttp://mefeedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: NBC Olympic Blog Is Awesome
in all aspects of the great debate that we maintain equality. The moment we let ourselves be put on the couch is the moment we loose that control. The extent to which we participate... to the extent we create code, or podcast, vlog or otherwise speak our mind and do is to the extent that we maintain and preserve our power and the equality of our society and the world at large. That... or of course you could go read Joe Trippi's book. I think he did a pretty good job of summing up the spirit of it... of course it's more than just politics, but just understanding what it means to politics is a start. Peace, -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link blog http://evilvlog.com - Serious lunacy has a new domain. On Feb 13, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Peter Van Dijck wrote: I just see a list of videos that pop up in a window that embeds WMV. No blog, no permalinks, no RSS... Peter On 2/13/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhh...I dont see any vlogs. I see videos of the events but no vlogs. Could you give me a link to a vlog post there. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys. NBC really is doing video blogging all over that website!!! It's incredible and it's native QuickTime too. You can even save as quicktime movies to your hard drive. Outstanding quality. 6-8 mb/ minute http://nbcolympics.com -- Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 barcroft (gizmo) kungax (Skype) kungag5 (iChat-AIM) On Feb 13, 2006, at 2:05 AM, Kunga wrote: You turn on your television and tune into one of the NBC broadcast or satellite television channels. It's very lifelike if your set is HD. But if you must use the internet it's here: http://nbcolympics.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: NBC Olympic Blog Is Awesome
I use it on occasion, didn't notice that feature though. On Feb 15, 2006, at 10:46 PM, wtrainbow wrote: There's a Firefox extension called Web Developer that will give the media info on a page - among many other things. It's an incredible tool if you do any Web design or development. https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php? id=60application=firefox Will http://www.tiny-tube.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought webjay was for making playlists of media hotlinks that you already know/have? I was talking about scouring the page for all the media files, each time I load a page in a browser, no matter where I am, a list of links pops up to all the media files on the page. A browser plugin. If Webjay does it, I'm sold. Just didn't think it did. On 2/15/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: doesn't webjay do this? -Josh On 2/15/06, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is slightly unrelated, but: Kinberg made the Google Video and Youtube greasemonkey scripts: http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/files/google_video_getter.user.js http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/files/youtube_to_me.user.js And Andreas made this for Sciencentral News (by request): http://www.solitude.dk/stuff/sciencentral_video_getter.user.js I want a script like these that runs on every site I visit. Maybe it scrubs the page for all the .mov, .wmv, and .mp4 files and presents a list of links to them? Possible? I'll start taking up a collection if somebody's willing to build it. On 2/15/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 13, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Peter Van Dijck wrote: I just see a list of videos that pop up in a window that embeds WMV. No blog, no permalinks, no RSS... Peter http://nbcolympics.com This just pisses me off.. it's utter crap. Complete and utter CRAP. I don't know why it was even pointed out... it's the same damn crap you'd find on any major news site. Normally I would just ignore such B.S. but what the hell today I feel like bitching. You've been forewarned. You might say I'm bitching because this needs to be said... because I'm doing under the heading NBC Olympic Blog Is Awesome when clearly it is anything but. I mean to slay it, and I don't intend to play nice or fair. Again, you've been forewarned. Disclaimer: my general discussed are in no way shaped at any individual here, they are in fact aimed at the loathsome entity that is NBC, established media at large, and those that would propagate such travesties on humanity as this video interface. aka. please don't take this personally. This site (nbcolympics.com) and it's video interface are full of needless and endless hoops which as usual make it needlessly inaccessible and all but unusable... and don't tell me it's not. People who don't get accessibility always say... I can watch a video on it... yeah, maybe you can even watch two or three... given 30 minutes and a whole lot of frustration... but the experience is needlessly for shit. I always respond to such people... yeah you should check out that on video of (insert celebrity name here)... yeah, it's really awesome.. you've got to see it... go ahead... it's there on the website... don't mind me... I've got all the time in the world... just let me know when you've checked it out and i'll be happy to discuss how much said website rocks. One of the many reasons why I LOVE videoblogging, blogging and podcastings is I like to think one of the things that it does is changes the expectation of what media is, how it should be consumed and who should have access to it in a very deep and profound way... that there is a better way. Over time people will come to understand how shitty such websites as this NBC olympic website are and start to go elsewhere an elsewhere besides the P2P networks... which btw, do have extensive video coverage of the olympics... but I'd like to see such media on the open web where it belongs... where it can benefit society at large instead of just an elite few. So, yeah, not only is it a pain in the ass to watch videos in NBC's crappy interface, but you cannot reference a video and therefore not send a url to your friends or discuss a video. It's a for shit interface. When I see crap like this, as mentioned, most of the time I ignore it. But every once in a while I'm incited to take action.. to hack it apart and put it back together so people can actually USE the content... or perhaps just to bitch about it in the hopes that people will start to get what accessibility is really all about. ;) Case in point. Have any of you ever thought about just scrapping such a website's data and recompiling it into a vlog format with RSS feeds and comments? Which is to say, turning it back into a real live vlog, with actual comments and permalinks so people can enjoy
Re: [videoblogging] Blogs Need Email
On Feb 14, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: TechCrunch has posted "Blogs Need Email" I have talked this up as well since I am a big believer in RSS forwarding to email. For the past year or so, i have kept interest in the topic and eventually decided to offer the service for the videoblogging community through vlogdir.com.Here is a screengrab of todays rboom in my inbox.http://vlogdir.com/vlogdir_emailsubscribe_rboom.gif The link to the RSS item enclosure is included too ;-)I plan to vamp up the service and provide a description/help page as soon as i move to new server this month but feel free to try it out. The service runs off my dreamhost server using vastmachine.com, just to avoid confusion.Content creators can also add an email subscribe option on your blogs.I love how currently, we have FireAnt (that is better than iTunes) for download subscription handling, mefeedia for web based subscription management and vlogdir offers email subscription handling. I think we got things covered in the subscription department ;-) Sull, I really dig it.My question is how does it work with comment feeds? I've had a particular problem keeping up with the massive amounts of comments on things like evilvlog... because of course RSS is completely unthreaded so comment feeds lack ANY contextual information without going back to the blog and reading from there.My interest would be in if your service or others can put these emails in a format where they can thread in an email client like gmail.com or mail.app?For example, Ideally I'd ABSOLUTELY love to be able to subscribe to evilvlog's primary RSS feed in your service and secondarily it's comments feed and have the entire threaded conversation including original blog posts reconstructed in my mail.app and gmail.com so that the original post was first and then the comments cascaded off of it in chronological order. This way I could completely follow the conversation in my gmail or mail.app. A huge benifit over following in a blog.In my opinion this would take the best of what a mailing list has to offer and a blog and combine them together into a media rich video/audio communications structure. It would be a new radically fluid, open and media rich communications medium.Though, I'll settle for just the comments feed being threaded in email for now. :)BTW, there are two other services I've been looking at who offer to port RSS data to email.http://www.rssfwd.com/http://www.r-mail.org/I think this is going to become an increasingly hot topic... among other things it offers a mechanism by which you can get RSS on your cell phone or PDA.. because not all such devices have RSS readers yet. But of course it's more than that. Blogs have many things email doesn't have, primarily public visibility and transparency. However email does have some things such as threading and their "conversational fluidity" that blogs don't have.-Mikemmeiser.com/blogmefeedia.comsull- - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Re: Videobomb.com a new digg.com for videos?
I don't mind their ads but I find their info bar far more intrusive than the ad. The add in fact just flashes for a single frame in players like fireant, because not all players stop at the end of a video. THey could compensate this by causing the add to play for a few seconds... I think this model can and would work very well in a wide variety of places, but they'd need to move to mp4 (for iPod or PSP) and they'd loose their clickable links. still, the simple display of a domain name is easy enough to remember, though not as trackable.As for what you're saying with the embed code, object code and what not, that's very cool. I must admit I prejudged them a bit.So other than the format concern which is really only an issue for use on iPod and the PSP (the .mov format is widely supported enough)... oh, and the poor compression quality as someone pointed out... my only concern would be about the issue of archival permalinks. Quite frankly it's a simple fix... if someone should want to host their videos Revver could upload the various formats after putting the ads on them via FTP to their blog and create the post in wordpress and MT... It would cost them less in bandwidth and make the media urls more archival. The tracking wouldn't be to hard to maintain even thought they'd no longer be hosting the video.Anyway, I noticed you had a Chappel Show add on the end of one of your videos... that's a very good advertiser.I guess my only other question is... what kind of money? What's the ad rate. Usually this is expressed in "cost per thousand". For example the recent rocketboom ad sale went for $40k for approx. one million views... that's a $40cpm (cpm = cost per thousand) Ads usually pay on a per view basis if they're graphical, or if they're textual like adwords they pay per click aka. cost per click vs. cost per view. I'd assume revvers ads are cost per view.I think textual ads ussually go for a $2-3 cost per thousand clicks or some such. Visual ads web ads go much higher... video based ads should go much higher still. So, how much is revver paying per thousand of ad views?Peace,-MikeOn Feb 11, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: Hi Michael, Revver provides several options for posting/sharing below each video on it's page. Scroll down and you will find--- video url for hyperlinks object html code embed html code thumbnail link to video page download hyperlink I use "thumbnail link to video page" and that shows up in my Feedblitz RSS feed by email. Inever noticed they had direct links to video file in their sharing codes-- I easily posted my video using http://freevideocoding.com -- FANTASTIC! It even keeps their info bar and ad at end of video!! Nerissa Message: 24 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:46:01 -0500 From: Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Re: Videobomb.com a new digg.com for videos?Sort of disappointed they don't offer better support for vlogging. I'm sure you could go in and dig out the urls. I was able to dig out and download the following video of yours and play it on my computer just fine, so it's enclosable in an RSS feed. It's just they don't make it easy.http://media.revver.com/broadcast/1682/video.movI'd expect it'd be more blip.tv like, post to wordpress or blogger or wordpress. Certainly getting their videos in blogs and rss feeds would be a contributing factor to sucess.-MikeOn Feb 10, 2006, at 11:03 PM, Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote:I use Revver for this vlog--http://nebelungs.blogspot.comIt's great for gaining Google rankings. I have made a couple bucks and about 500 people have viewed my videos so far. Blog has been up since last Christmas. I highly recommend encouraging people to click on your ads. The ads don't encourage clicking right now, so mosy people dont realize they can click to find out more.nerissa++Message: 4 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:08:10 -0500 From: robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Videobomb.com a new digg.com for videos?I'd hate to have to explain to airport security my job if I worked forvideobomb "you see, sir, i'm a videobomber" ;)RE Revver, I've enquired on this list about them before, noone replied.Has ANYONE tried them? Or more likely, anyone ripped apart their TOS?BTW, is there a TOS summary matrix on the wiki for all of the hostingservices?Finally, David from youare.tv presented tonight at nytechmeetup. It wasa heavy agenda so all presenters were a bit rushed. He did a nice job.Nice one, David!--cheersr Nerissa Odenhttp://TheVideoQueen.comhttp://FreeMediaGuide.comhttp://FreeVideoCoding.comhttp://FreeVideoEditing.comhttp://Nebelungs.blogspot.comMy Groups:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videobloggingbusiness/http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/videowomen/* Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars
Re: [videoblogging] Spam and such...
I agree with Sull If you have something to share... and you want to share it with other vloggers even if you did share it with the world on your vlog you can still share it here, by all means.Use your judgement... here's my litmus test. If you're just posting to say "look at this" you've maybe started to cross the line... but if you've got question or any point whatsoever then your probably fine.Pardon, I just had to email about my latest video post to my blog... it was technicaly a video to my mom, but i had a question on the quality of the audio. Heh, I thought you guys might like to see this special sequence I did such and such thing, the graphic effect came out really neat or I shot some footage of the protests in San Fran yesterday, and though some of you might be interested in it because...My point is that if you've got a point, if you have someone in mind and your addressing... there's no problem with "self promotion"... because it's not self promotion, we talk about what we love, it's natural for that to be the things we're working on. It's only "self promotion" when it ceases to have any point other than promotion.So, post away.Besides, I've managed to skip 22,510 posts to this group since I started reading it, I think i can skip any such email that doesn't interest me. :PPeace,-Mike On Feb 10, 2006, at 4:35 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: who said it was spam?On 2/10/06, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently sent off a Shameless Self Promotion note to this list. I have realized since that it is considered spamming to ask people to check out a piece of work. If that was not spam, disregard this entire note. If you think it was read on and let's discuss this. I wanted people from this list to see the piece, as I was proud of it. It was a project instead of a simple vlog entry. I guess I am not allowed to do that because it is spamming. I might be out of line her; misunderstanding something, or maybe I didn't read the rules, but isn't that a problem? Aren't we on here to talk about vlogging? To share our stuff with eachother, not just the technical mumbo-jumbo, or philosophical concepts, but the stuff that we do. There are 5345 vlogs listed in mefeedia these days. How do we get people to see things that we feel are good pieces if we are not community celebrities?This list alone occupies a good deal of time for all of us daily. Most of it is stuff that I am not really interested in. Is that spam? How can I keep in touch with this list and get to see new faces and ideas in the vlogging world. Somebody has to tell me, as I am very busy with my own stuff, as I am sure all of you are as well. My point is that if we cannot send an email to this list asking for others that are doing the same things as we are, only totally different, to check it out and comment on it, what good is this list? I have posted about 30 videos, I think I have asked the list to check out this one, that's it. Why? Because I thought it was pretty good. It was edited from 5 hours of video, the project is 40 gb. There are several really nice shots, from a cinematographic standpoint. I really wanted to get some feedback from it. As I said before, I might be out of line here, totally missing the point about spamming. If that note that I sent asking people to check out a piece of mine that I worked hard on, and thought was good, was spam, then I think that is a problem with this list. On Feb 10, 2006, at 12:59 PM, Rachel Knight wrote: Introvert, although I can deal with people in a work situation, but social situations leave me fatigued and scared. Too many people, human beings scare me, lol. Give me cats any day. Yes, I have noticed the tendency towards insanity in vloggers. I'm glad you are doing this research, it is the kind of thing I would like to do, I would like to know the results when you get them, along with statistical significance etc. If it works, I might try a bit of at home research I have always wanted to do and see if I can find anything significant in that. Rachel (Alternative Kitten)On 10 Feb 2006, at 16:09, Stephanie Bryant wrote: I'm curious: How many of you are introverts, and how many are extroverts? Some detail: An introvert is someone who is re-energized by being alone, but when they spend a lot of time around people, they feel drained and maybe anxious afterwards. An extrovert is the opposite: energized in the presence of others, but drained after a weekend in isolation. Most people are somewhere in the middle. Note that this has nothing to do with shyness or stage fright/stage presence. I would like the lurkers to respond, too, if you all don't mind (since otherwise the results will naturally be skewed towards the extroverts, introverts being more likely to lurk on forums). Where do you put yourself in the "introvert/extrovert" spectrum? [If you've taken the Meiers-Brigg personality test, you pretty much know already]. And if you're willing to mention it, where
Re: [videoblogging] Dabble for net video
I must admit, I have this sitting on my hard drive, but I still haven't checked out the video. I hope it's as interesting as you guys are saying. -Mike On Feb 11, 2006, at 5:39 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: From speaking with Mary, yes they do have a quote/remix tool in the works. Not sure how similar it will be to MeFeedia's version of that feature. My personal opinion is that it still remains to be seen if people actually would use such a tool. Quotes are nice (i certainly like media in smaller chunks), but actually making the quotes requires a high level of investment for the user, not to mention that much of the content out there today doesn't really lend itself to being quoted easily. -Josh On 2/11/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The video totally suggests it allows remixing. I think that's a yes. They seem to be starting out with a quoting tool like Mefeedia used to have. Peter On 2/11/06, Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enric - do you know if Dabble allows remixing? The podcast sort of suggests it, but thats a different kettle of fish than the tagging/aggregating sort of thing that videbomb also seems to be playing with... On 2/10/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary Hodder presented Dabble Wednesday at the Under the Radar: Video Blogs Killed the TV Star event. From what I saw dabble allows viewers to bookmark, tag and accumulate video from different sources (among other features.) My vlog of the presentation is at: http://techalley.cirne.com/index.php/2006/02/10/mary-hodder- present-dabble-525/ http://tinyurl.com/bs952 I'll be putting up vlogs of the other presenters, VideoEgg, Grouper, and FireAnt, shortly at http://techalley.cirne.com/ . -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- --- Brett Gaylor http://www.etherworks.ca http://www.homelessnation.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual FireantUse YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Videobomb.com a new digg.com for videos?
Participatory culture just launched a brand new site. Looks like they aim to be the digg.com of video blogs, if not viral video. Very interesting. I'm curious to know what others think.http://videobomb.comBTW, Anyone know what's up with revver.com? It looks like a very interesting attempt to monetize video, much potential. Not terribly intrusive for advertising though I've never seen them before. Their videos seem to be all over the top of the videobomb.com-Mike Michael Meiserhttp://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuffhttp://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link bloghttp://evilvlog.com - Serious lunacy has a new domain.http://mefeedia.com Begin forwarded message:From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: February 7, 2006 3:38:08 PM GMT-05:00To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Announcing our new baby: Videobomb.com Hi everyone,Today we're announcing our latest baby, Videobomb. Videobomb combines aspects of the news site digg.com and the bookmarking site del.icio.us to make a democratic playground for video. People can submit videos and vote ("bomb") their favorites onto the front page. Your favorites go to your own personal channel, that your friends can watch in players like DTV or iTunes.http://videobomb.com(In case you missed our announcement yesterday, we're releasing DTV for Windows on February 21st. We've got a working Windows version right now, and there's just a little clean up left before release. There will be a new and better Mac version the same day, designed especially to work with Videobomb.)We know you all have a top 5 favorite, most-mind-blowing-of-all-time videos. Pandas. French kids jumping off roofs. Old advertisements from lands far away. So here's one way to get started: take 5 minutes to submit them, and see how they do. Or if you're in a mega-hurry, just go to the "Incoming!" page and start bombing the stuff you like. Let us know how it went. http://videobomb.comPerhaps more than any of our other projects, Videobomb is for everyone. People can participate in making TV channels (and one big, awesome TV channel) with no need for a camera, no need to download anything, etc. That's why, more than ever, we need your help spreading the word. Blog your thoughts on it, tell a bunch of friends, post about it wherever you think there's people who are psyched about videos and collaboration. Videobomb could be a very amazing place. That URL again: http://videobomb.com !We sincerely hope you love this, and thanks for your support!Tiffiniy Cheng, Colin Mitchell, Neil Cook, Matt Brett, Morgan Knutson, Holmes Wilson, Nicholas Reville...and the whole PCF team.More videobomb info and discussion in the PCF blog: http://participatoryculture.org/blogpowered by phplist v 2.8.9, © tincan ltd
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: the clerks videoblog
On Jan 18, 2006, at 2:13 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote: Does Rocketboom have the rights to use a clip from this? Wouldn't they need the approval of both Kevin Smith and Quentin Tarantino? Also, what about the rights for those commericals at the end? http://www.rocketboom.com/vlog/archives/2006/01/rb_06_jan_17.html The reason I ask is because we use copyrighted music all the time, as well as screencasts from Google Earth. I haven't been too worried about getting busted because we're still smalltime. Also, searching the pod-safe music sites is a daunting task and my ears begin to bleed after listening to tons of crappy songs (not to say all of it is crap). Anyways, it would provide big publicity if Google or the RIAA censored a video blog. Is there a bigger risk of getting busted if a vlog has sponsorship money? Just want to get ideas from others. Matt, There are all sorts of legal issues... and I suggest doing whatever's in your power to secure rights or simply use podsafe or creative commons materials that explitiely state how you can use them. That siad there is one final rule of thumb I go buy... and truely any great legal mind would tell you this under the table. Lawsuits ALWAYS follow the money... therefore if you're not making any money you'll have some leway... In short I don't think you have much to worry about unless your planing on sub licensing or selling your content in the future. I do strongly advise you slowly move your workflow into a completely podsafe arena... because with so much great openly licensced media out there, particularly music there's just no need to take any risks. That said I think rocketboom is getting into a big grey area because of their celebrity. 1) the videosphere is not as well devleloped and therefore not as much content is explicitely licensced for use with vlogs and other open access media. Therefore rocketboom must draw on grey area content. 2) though I don't know how much money they're making yet their celebrity puts them in a precarious spot... they're high visibility... somone in fact might be tempted to sue them not because they're necissarily making money of this media, but because of the added bonus of free publicity. That said I love and respect what rocketboom is doing with creative remixing and reuse of content... and I think though we may suffer some set backs this MUST be the way of the future. To opt out of remixing, redistribution and reuse unnecisarily is to opt out of the evolving marketplace and the new economy of information... indreasingly as this new economy grows I ecpect they'll be more incentive for arists and even incumbent media to open up their libraries for creative reuse on at least some level. In summary... the winds of change are blowing in favor of a more liberal fair use, but we must be careful of setbacks that will happen... primarily due greed and misunderstanding. Every artist down here on the ground floor know the value of creative reuse... but people not on the ground floor of this revolution may not get it AT all. Proceed with caution, but enjoy, experiment and do great and flattering things for those artists who's materials you reuse. Site them heavily and very favorably. Peace, -Mike -Matt --- http://vlogmap.org http://leanbackvids.com http://ridertech.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geez you'd think they could afford a decent mic, though :) On 1/15/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 15, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Ted Tagami wrote: Jay, what a great find! Two thoughts: (1) the celebrity of the filmmakers is one thing, but its great just to see friends get together and discuss the work and process, and for us to have a lens into that process. (2) damn good marketing wonder if any of these guys subscribes to the group... ;) Damn, that's exactly what I was thinking too... cellebrities are people too :) Sometimes media and the people in it get so abstracted we forget they're human... I think this is one of the legacies of Ebay.. .it turned buyers into sellers and taught us all something about the person on the other end of the phone or other side of the counter. Vlogging is a humanizing thing indeed. And also damn good marketing. :) On 1/15/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dont know if you like movies, but heres a cool video: http://clerks2.com/movies/goodbadman560.mov Director Kevin Smith has his friends(Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez) over to watch his recent cut... and gets feedback. when do we ever get to see stuff like this? jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://getFireAnt.com http://node101.org -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging
Re: [videoblogging] Re: the clerks videoblog
On Jan 18, 2006, at 6:02 PM, wtrainbow wrote: Even though you might not be making money now if you do in the future they could so for back royalties with interest and that could feasibly be a handsome chunk of change. Interesting you should say that... if someone starts to make money you could legaly structure yourselves and incoporate to avoid liabilities from the original practices... it's quite simple actually. Using copyrighted music is complicated. You need permission from the owner of the composition and the owner of the recording. Often times these aren't the same. Here is info on licensing http://www.ascap.com/weblicense/ Here good explanation of fair use http://www.soundexchange.com/licensing101.html#a19 Will http://www.tiny-tube.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser groups-yahoo- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 18, 2006, at 2:13 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote: Does Rocketboom have the rights to use a clip from this? Wouldn't they need the approval of both Kevin Smith and Quentin Tarantino? Also, what about the rights for those commericals at the end? http://www.rocketboom.com/vlog/archives/2006/01/rb_06_jan_17.html The reason I ask is because we use copyrighted music all the time, as well as screencasts from Google Earth. I haven't been too worried about getting busted because we're still smalltime. Also, searching the pod-safe music sites is a daunting task and my ears begin to bleed after listening to tons of crappy songs (not to say all of it is crap). Anyways, it would provide big publicity if Google or the RIAA censored a video blog. Is there a bigger risk of getting busted if a vlog has sponsorship money? Just want to get ideas from others. Matt, There are all sorts of legal issues... and I suggest doing whatever's in your power to secure rights or simply use podsafe or creative commons materials that explitiely state how you can use them. That siad there is one final rule of thumb I go buy... and truely any great legal mind would tell you this under the table. Lawsuits ALWAYS follow the money... therefore if you're not making any money you'll have some leway... In short I don't think you have much to worry about unless your planing on sub licensing or selling your content in the future. I do strongly advise you slowly move your workflow into a completely podsafe arena... because with so much great openly licensced media out there, particularly music there's just no need to take any risks. That said I think rocketboom is getting into a big grey area because of their celebrity. 1) the videosphere is not as well devleloped and therefore not as much content is explicitely licensced for use with vlogs and other open access media. Therefore rocketboom must draw on grey area content. 2) though I don't know how much money they're making yet their celebrity puts them in a precarious spot... they're high visibility... somone in fact might be tempted to sue them not because they're necissarily making money of this media, but because of the added bonus of free publicity. That said I love and respect what rocketboom is doing with creative remixing and reuse of content... and I think though we may suffer some set backs this MUST be the way of the future. To opt out of remixing, redistribution and reuse unnecisarily is to opt out of the evolving marketplace and the new economy of information... indreasingly as this new economy grows I ecpect they'll be more incentive for arists and even incumbent media to open up their libraries for creative reuse on at least some level. In summary... the winds of change are blowing in favor of a more liberal fair use, but we must be careful of setbacks that will happen... primarily due greed and misunderstanding. Every artist down here on the ground floor know the value of creative reuse... but people not on the ground floor of this revolution may not get it AT all. Proceed with caution, but enjoy, experiment and do great and flattering things for those artists who's materials you reuse. Site them heavily and very favorably. Peace, -Mike -Matt --- http://vlogmap.org http://leanbackvids.com http://ridertech.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geez you'd think they could afford a decent mic, though :) On 1/15/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 15, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Ted Tagami wrote: Jay, what a great find! Two thoughts: (1) the celebrity of the filmmakers is one thing, but its great just to see friends get together and discuss the work and process, and for us to have a lens into that process. (2) damn good marketing wonder if any of these guys subscribes to the group... ;) Damn, that's exactly what I was thinking too... cellebrities are people too :) Sometimes media and the people in it get so abstracted
Re: [videoblogging] kids make vlogging dangerous
On Jan 15, 2006, at 9:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: over the weekend my friend's 7 year old brother, justin, grabbed the mini dv and began walking around the house; instead of dismissing him like we usually do, we viewed the videos he had saved on the camera and we got this: http://collegewit.com/media/videos/weirdosonlaptops.wmv I'm not getting but a few seconds... I don't know why, but it just won't play... It's 2.9 mb but perhaps it's 900kbs so that's well just a few seconds. Am I missing something? untrained, he gave his own commentary and he did so simply b/c he was inspired by the videos section ( http://collegewit.com/index.php?cat=15 ) of the College Wit site that he always hears his sister and i talking about I wouldn't say untrained... ok, untrained.. .but talking into a cemera is a very natural thing these days and will become more so... kids have a habbit of picking up stuff like this naturally... especially when they're obviously surrounded by people who walk around talking to their cameras all day. :) we realized in a moment that as soon as Justin learns to upload videos on the internet, private moments like this with mel and i sitting around in pajamas, giving ourselves beauty treatments while typing on our comps will easily become exposed! (from now on all zit therapy sessions will take place behind closed and locked doors!)Don't worry a) we don't want to see it anyway... b) by that time the web will be so overloaded by the mundane and awesome everyday moments that you're really really have to do something spectacular to pull a "star wars kid".I say get him started NOW, get him started early... by the time he's reached the technical level of competence to really embarace you he'll understand the whole ediquette of being a vlogger. Besides you can always embarace him a few times. :) i just thought i would share with all of you how easy it is for little kids to pick up on vlogging, i.e., talk about your own vids and give them a mini dv for their birthdays!I wish I had some kids to push my wicked agenda's on, but for the time being I'll just have to corrupt my niece... hmmm 3 year old video blogger?-Mikemmeiser.com/blogevilvlog.com -brainy founder http://collegewit.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Come be a WATM Reporter!
Howdy Josh,I'd like to contribute and participate... I'm thinking one in every 10 or 20 essays I write might be good for we are the media... If it's cool with you I'll just write for myself and every once in a while I'll ease something over your way that I think is really on topic and you can review it in a good old editorial fashion... hell I'll even do revisions, just as long as your not to much of a tyrannical editor. :)That or of course I can just use my own judgment and when I hit on some thing I think concerns more people than myself... I'll write stuff specifically for We are the media.Just hoping to be a little more active... WATM is a good cause and we could use more product and service reviews and interviews and just general blogging about vlogging.Peace,-Mike Michael Meiserhttp://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuffhttp://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link bloghttp://evilvlog.com - Serious lunacy has a new domain.http://mefeedia.com On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:39 PM, Josh Leo wrote: Registration links: http://wearethemedia.com/2006/01/15/want-to-write-for-watm/Have you ever seen a peice of news that would look great on We Are The Media? Have you found the latest and greatest vlog that nobody knows about? Well registration is open at WATM for new reporters. Go get yourself registered and write that article that you want the vlogging community to see.By becomeing a writer for WATM you agree to abide by the guidelines and have your work edited by the editors. Here are the basic rules, but make sure you go read all the guidelines before writing an article.1. Keep it positive. No mudslinging.2. Your article should be about vlogging. No articles to the latest viral commercial. 3. No blatant self promotion. It just doesn't look good.What we like here at WATM is articles about vlogging and glowing reviews for the vlogs you love. Now go sign up and get to writing. -- Josh Leojoshleo.comstonefarm.blogspot.comjoshspicks.blogspot.com vlogcats.blogspot.comwearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Come be a WATM Reporter!
Oh and I tried the form on the registration pageOUCH!Warning: strpos(): Empty delimiter. in /home/.neema/watm/wearethemedia.com/wp-includes/comment-functions.php on line 867Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/.neema/watm/wearethemedia.com/wp-includes/comment-functions.php:867) in /home/.neema/watm/wearethemedia.com/wp-comments-post.php on line 54Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/.neema/watm/wearethemedia.com/wp-includes/comment-functions.php:867) in /home/.neema/watm/wearethemedia.com/wp-comments-post.php on line 55Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/.neema/watm/wearethemedia.com/wp-includes/comment-functions.php:867) in /home/.neema/watm/wearethemedia.com/wp-comments-post.php on line 56Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/.neema/watm/wearethemedia.com/wp-includes/comment-functions.php:867) in /home/.neema/watm/wearethemedia.com/wp-includes/pluggable-functions.php on line 178On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:39 PM, Josh Leo wrote: Registration links: http://wearethemedia.com/2006/01/15/want-to-write-for-watm/Have you ever seen a peice of news that would look great on We Are The Media? Have you found the latest and greatest vlog that nobody knows about? Well registration is open at WATM for new reporters. Go get yourself registered and write that article that you want the vlogging community to see.By becomeing a writer for WATM you agree to abide by the guidelines and have your work edited by the editors. Here are the basic rules, but make sure you go read all the guidelines before writing an article.1. Keep it positive. No mudslinging.2. Your article should be about vlogging. No articles to the latest viral commercial. 3. No blatant self promotion. It just doesn't look good.What we like here at WATM is articles about vlogging and glowing reviews for the vlogs you love. Now go sign up and get to writing. -- Josh Leojoshleo.comstonefarm.blogspot.comjoshspicks.blogspot.com vlogcats.blogspot.comwearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: ipod conversion now built into iTunes
BTW, I've had the opportunity to try out the Apple iTunes convert to ipod feature for video. As a test I converted one feature length movie that had already been ripped from DVD as an mp4 yet was too high res for the ipod. iTunes converted it to a m4v in about 12 hours and it was about 700 mb. COnsidering this is my shit kicker 400 mhz g4 server and it's running all sorts of media tools and aggregation stuff I think it did quite well. In fact I think it was much better than iSquint. My only complaint is that apple needs import settings for video, not just audio. I'd much prefer mp4 and I'd much prefer being able to create a much larger size... say as high as 720 wide. BTW, I also like that Apple creates a queue of videos to convert not sure wether you can stop and restart this queue if you want to quit iTunes of restart, my guess is not, but good enough. You can just let it plug away in the background as other things are going on. This will likely be very handy for converting old viral videos and old vlog posts. Pretty sweet. Oh, one other big problem I haven't figured out yet... It doesn't seem to work with AVI's at all... or WMV or Real. iTunes won't even allow them into the library. I don't know if this will change after I install the DIVX QT component or... if I could find some sort of WMV QT component I'd be one hell of a happy camper! There has to be a way to import WMV's into Quicktime or Final Cut. Anyone? I haven't been doing as much video editing as most of the people here. This would really be dreamy. Being able to put ALL my videos not just standard QT formats in iTunes... and being able to convert them to m4v or mp4 for the iPod... McDreammy. On a side note it's recently occured to me that I'm going to be so sad when the next iPod video comes out... perhaps I bought to early. I can almost guarentee the next ipod will have a) a bigger and wider format screen... b) will do much higher resolution videos. There might be the opportunity that the ROM will be updated on this generation to support higher res formats but it's unlikely do to hardware limitations... I have infact somehow gotten atleast one video on the ipod, where the ipod couldn't keep up with the data rate and it'd skip in fast action scenes... not sure how that happened. My guess for the next video iPod would be a device the same size but with nearly one whole side being a screen... a TOUCH screen that uses mouse gestures and graphics to replicate the click wheel for both volume and scrubbing touch screen menus too :) This by the end of 2006 and possibly much sooner. ... MY other guess the fabled networked ipod with direct aggregation from the web of things subscribed to in the online web store but that's a bit much of a dream. Possible... but unlikely. Peace, -Mike On Jan 16, 2006, at 3:52 AM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:55:09 +0100, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right... you had to drag the stuff in and it automatically converts. But it still had to convert. Its just that the interface was simple and intuitive. I would think that iTunes will try to make the process roughly the same for video on the iPod. Perhaps I confused what Andreas was saying. I thought he meant software authors should only provide two codecs and have the user figure out the rest. He may have meant a content authors, in which case I'm mistaken. Yes, I meant content authors. The videoblogger should only ever have to provide one, perhaps two formats (because Apple and Microsoft will never think what's best for the consumer). The user's software should handle all necessary conversations to make sure the content plays on that user's external devices. - Andreas -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] The PAN!
Just an FYI... that PSP feed I think needs a little work.http://thepan.org/psp.xmlI plugged it into mefeedia and got no videos. Looked at the feed and it only has one video in it.http://mefeedia.com/feeds/4217/Is this the exact same feed used in itunes?I'm not quite ready to click on that link and dig the url out of itunes interface... rat itunes bastards. :)-MikeOn Jan 16, 2006, at 3:31 AM, Adam Quirk wrote: Note to you FireANT users, if you want to subscribe just use the PSP feed.It has the same QT videos as the iTunes feed.I'd also like to say...woo...and whew.-AQ Thank you,Mica, Adam, and the PAN team Meet our contributors – http://thepan.org/contributors/ Visit The PAN – http://thepan.org / SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] The PAN!
Where's your mefeedia one click button!? I want mefeedia! http://mefeedia.com/feed_promote.php?id=4217 Of course please make sure you get your feed 100% first I want to be able to watch it too. :) BTW, I personally LOVE the format... sure it has some kinks.. but it's experimental... I think you're going to here a lot of people saying it's tooo long or to short... whatever... it is what it is and I can't wait to see how it progresses... Just make sure you include good links and text about what's included in the RSS so I have something to read or click on while I'm watching or waiting for it to download or whatever. :) -Mike On Jan 16, 2006, at 12:28 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Ps. Josh, or any other FireANTers reading this, is there a one- click FireANT subscription mechanism? Or will there be? There is, and there will be an easy code-generator to copy-paste and embed a 1-click button into your site. We're gearing up for a new launch this week that will include new versions for Mac and Windows plus a new Website. -Josh On 1/16/06, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I crashed after replying to the last one. Awake again... On 1/16/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why pack them all together into a 15 min. video? For context, and ease of use for the viewer. The stuff we include all looks really good together, one right after the other. And on my iPod, if there is 15 minutes of stuff from a site every day, why would I want to have to navigate to the menu each time I want to watch the next segment? That said, I do want to figure out QT chapters so they can easily skip a segment if they wish. Although I'm not so sure it will function on the iPod. The idea here is that people who subscribe to The PAN are trusting us to provide 15 minutes of *Really Good* stuff, so they won't need them as separate chunks. Plus 15 minutes is not that much for most commuters, who are a good portion of iPod video watchers. If you're watching the PAN in the morning on your way to work, you can stop it halfway through when you get to the office, then when you take lunch or go home at night, restart it right where you left off. Why not let them each exist as separate videos that can be downloaded quicker and easier? You may as well simply link to the originals too in order to credit the creators. That's been done. Ps. Josh, or any other FireANTers reading this, is there a one- click FireANT subscription mechanism? Or will there be? Thanks for feedback on this, by the way. AQ SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] The PAN!
On Jan 16, 2006, at 1:50 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: interesting, since apps like fireANT's main benefit is downloading management which is most valuable if the video is larger (download overnight or while doing other things). if you are a fan of smaller chunks, then you could prob be happy watching videos on the web, no? No. I am a fan of small chunks... but lots of them from lots of different places and the ability to easily switch between them and manipulate them, etc. Viewing video on the web never seems to allow me to interact this way. -Josh Ultimately... and we talked about this in the way back at the beginning of the mRSS (aka. media RSS) initiative... I'd love to see content strung together in RSS so it would play in an order... so it didn't need to be compiled together into one video... so you could have to minutes of video A... and then do a personal seguay with another video clip to introduce the third clip... the probelem is in preserving the integrity of that stream. Lucas Gonze promoted his playlist fromat XSPF or whatever it's called... and that works well for mp3's but there's still a huge problem with two factors. a) XSPF is not supported for aggregation... I know of no way to attach it or enclose it with all the videos it references in RSS so they can all be downloaded and the playlist reconstructed on the client side. b) The XSPF format is best with mp3 because there are just tooo many audio formats... there's just no way to 1) stream video as consistently as mp3 from different sources... 2) play back videos in different formats consistently in any playback tool. Essentually there needs to be a better open markup, a container, for maintaing the integrity and the relationship of videos over aggregation and that tools like fireant that support this container and all the video formats it might contain. Essentially apple's SMIL format is one such container... but it has it has many of the same faults as XSPF. BTW, correct me if I'm misrepresenting the XSPF playlist format, I'm no expert on it. -Mike On 1/16/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess that's a matter of opinion. I can't watch 15 min. of hardly anything. I always prefer shorter bits to longer ones. interesting, since apps like fireANT's main benefit is downloading management which is most valuable if the video is larger (download overnight or while doing other things). if you are a fan of smaller chunks, then you could prob be happy watching videos on the web, no? if your point is about attention span... ok. but it seems that adam made the point that this content will continue to be grabbed by a trusted audience who would love nothing more than content to fill their commute. short, long... whatever. its not even worth debating since the wide audience consists of many different preferences. why ask why and all that. sull On 1/16/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For context, and ease of use for the viewer. But I don't know what's included in the 15 minutes and can't choose whether or not I want to download it or view it in that order I am a fan of smaller chunks. if there is 15 minutes of stuff from a site every day, why would I want to have to navigate to the menu each time I want to watch the next segment? That seems like an iPod issue. I don't have one, but I'm surprised it doesn't skip to the next video track in a playlist? That said, I do want to figure out QT chapters so they can easily skip a segment if they wish. Although I'm not so sure it will function on the iPod. That would be cool if this feature were supported on the iPod. The idea here is that people who subscribe to The PAN are trusting us to provide 15 minutes of *Really Good* stuff, so they won't need them as separate chunks. You should at least provide better text descriptions on the site and in the feed. This will make it easier to trust that you are really providing 15 min. of good stuff. Right now, I have no idea what stuff is there until after I've viewed. Text descriptions are too often overlooked by videobloggers. They are really helpful to the viewer deciding if they want to download and also to search engines to help make your content more findable. Plus 15 minutes is not that much for most commuters, who are a good portion of iPod video watchers. If you're watching the PAN in the morning on your way to work, you can stop it halfway through when you get to the office, then when you take lunch or go home at night, restart it right where you left off. I guess that's a matter of opinion. I can't watch 15 min. of hardly anything. I always prefer shorter bits to longer ones. Yahoo! Groups Links -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and
Re: [videoblogging] The PAN!
Well said Bev.I'd also like to add that Raymond makes these tiny little video clips that last between 2 and 30 second. It is what it is... and I think everything has a validity. Though we should feel free to explore use case scenarios for these different lenght media let's try to set our personal bias a side. Everyone's opinion and everyone's choice of video lenght are equally as valid.-MikeOn Jan 16, 2006, at 2:12 PM, BevSykes wrote:short, long... whatever. its not even worth debating since the wide audience consists of many different preferences. why ask why and all that. Glad to hear you say that. My own feeling is that if it's done well, it will hold my attention no matter how long. Deirdre Straughan had one the other day that was a car trip to Dallas, the sort of thing that would usually turn me off very soon (how interesting can Texas highways be, anyway??), but it was so cleverly done, with great background music that I enjoyed the whole thing. Minnesota Stories generally last longer than a few minutes and are delightful. Bicycle Sidewalk is generally fun to watch, as are Ravi's Drive Time interviews -- and I can't figure out why I'm so taken with Carl Weaver's dry, offbeat humor By the same token, there are some very brief "artsy fartsy" kinds of videos that don't do a thing for me, though when they are clever I can be impressed. Like Sull, I think it's all a matter of taste and everybody's tastes are different. I prefer something that shows me something I haven't seen before or presents something familiar in a new light. I also like videos that give me a glimpse into someone's life, like Susan's KityKity, or Doug's glimpse into his world in Providence, RI or Missbhavens life in New York. -- BevBlog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal: http://funnytheworld.comYAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: The PAN!
On Jan 16, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Nick wrote: I think I am more of a fan of picking out my own content. That is the beauty of video on the web...the options. If I wanted someone else picking out what was cool for me to watch I could just turn on TV? No? as is your right Nick... but in a world of infinite and abundant content... someone always does the picking... there are in fact infinite forms of packaging and filtering content... and it's unrealistic to think we'll always get it directly from our favorite vloggers mouth... though I think that's a strong part of the puzzle. Increasinly I think we'll rely on our friends and the communities we participate to be our filters... and who knows how they'll recontextualize and repackage content. I think we'll use traditional top down editorial methods as are used in news rooms and cable stations less and less getting more information through our communities... Call it the global village or whatever you like but there's a whole new economy based on how communications are accessed and used. It's no longer completely in the hands of the few... This is why publishers are suing google.. and record labels refuse to put content on line... they don't want to give up their lucrative marketing and distribution systems... they're afraid to give up some control... but increasingly it'll be US and our communities that make sense out of the world... no longer executives in board rooms or advertisers and marketers figuring out what we want based on how we spend our money... but US based on what we talk about and share. And as I'm fond of saying once everyone get's over that hurdle of giving up some controll we're all going to benifit societally and economicly tremendously... on all levels... not just down here in the trenches... the long tail so too speak... but even the big media companies. Indeed this swing is already happening in news media as newspapers realize that bloggers are not the enemy but are in fact offer a HUGE economic benifit to their business. To come full circle I tend to really like just that The Pan is packaging content in a really unique way... intermediating it differently... well also that it's really unique content... but the packaging is cool too. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog evilvlog.com mefeedia.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea here is that people who subscribe to The PAN are trusting us to provide 15 minutes of *Really Good* stuff, so they won't need them as separate chunks. You should at least provide better text descriptions on the site and in the feed. This will make it easier to trust that you are really providing 15 min. of good stuff. Right now, I have no idea what stuff is there until after I've viewed. Text descriptions are too often overlooked by videobloggers. They are really helpful to the viewer deciding if they want to download and also to search engines to help make your content more findable. I agree with most of this. If it proves to be true that viewers won't watch a video until they've read something about it, we'll probably have to rethink our presentation. Although Rocketboom, Bottomunion, Human- Dog, etc. haven't seemed to have had a problem with a lack of text. We provide a list of the individual creators featured in the video, with links, so that's enough to get you started. But like I said, time will tell... Plus 15 minutes is not that much for most commuters, who are a good portion of iPod video watchers. If you're watching the PAN in the morning on your way to work, you can stop it halfway through when you get to the office, then when you take lunch or go home at night, restart it right where you left off. I guess that's a matter of opinion. I can't watch 15 min. of hardly anything. I always prefer shorter bits to longer ones. Right, totally. It just so happens that this 15 minutes is a video doppelganger of what's going on inside my head a lot of the time, so it's a blast for me to watch it, and I usually want it to run longer when I see it. It's an interesting combination of content. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: The PAN!
The pan is the next version of the original MTV... :)Only instead of stringing together music videos they got for free the pan is sringing together viral and independant media.Just like mtv this works because The Pan is giving these artist promotion it's the same model... just a different medium... a different market and a different generation... and I think it's a bautiful thing because it allows us to draw tremendous parrallels between MTV "revolution in Cable TV" and our revolution in internet based media. I really hope the pan succeds tremendously if only because I want to keep following the evolution and enjoying the simple parrels and differences between these two so called revolutions in distributing media.BTW, if you're interested in MTV's story you should wikipedia it... and while you're at it... perhaps more so you should wikipedia Ted Turner and the CNN story... he very much predated MTV and infact MTV more or less coppied his architecture... of course by the time MTV came around everyone was copying CNN's architecture... ...that architecture btw, was to take a single niche... in CNN's case news... and make it global... and make it 24x7 around the clock... it was a radical idea in it's time... because everyone knew the news was supposed to be a one hour thing at 5'oclock and 11 o'clock... who in the world would watch news 24x7? and yet the pervasiveness of CNN showed that you could recycle and regurgetate and recontextualize the news over and over for 24 hours and people would tune in because they new at any point the could tune in and they'd catch the top issues of the moment..and now Tivo has come along... and proposed something different... but Tivo is not the end all be all... the CNN's and MTV's of this generation are still out there lurking waiting to be discovered... Current TV many thought might have a stab at this... but as many have pointed out they simply BLEW it big time the're just the same old media in the new clothing indeed architecturally they throw a bone to participation... Personally... and I know my opinion means nothing to what time will teach us... but I think the MTV of tomorrow is the idea of the Personal Feed... the idea that you can create a channel that's completely YOURS... your media... and that you can interact with that personal channel in any and every way possible... that it's going to be pervasive in time and space... watchable not just at any time of the day, not just on demand... bit anywhere you want it... in front of the TV... while on the subway on your ipod or PSP... perhaps on your Nokia770 or cell phone... wherever you want that constantly updating channels of information you'll have it... and this may on one level sound absurd but then it's already true... we're ALL... all our videos are going to make up that channel... call it channel internet or some B.S but it's not going to be channel CNN... or channel MTV or whatever the end user is going to take ownership over that channel... and all media makers will be able to do is make media ... not craft the channel... not decide what to put in front of you... and what ads... they'll get to make their shows and decide how to make them "available" and we'll decide how we want to access them and when. This is a huge shift in the world of media... from a world of couch potatoes from a world where people will reach through the network and east from an infinite bufette of media. And once again this may be my personal B.S. but the services and tools that are most in line with that vision will be the ones that succeed best.I could go on four hours about google video vs. iTunes video vs. yahoo's plans... all of them want to bring big media to the internet... but really it's the one who's most "open" that will win... period.. the one who allows the most media makers to enter the marketplace and the one accessible by the most consumers... and all matter of interaction inbetween. Mark my words... either by the end of 2006 or the end of 2007 Apple's glorious closed platform will either become the coffin in which they soffocate or they'll have to dismantel it and open it up to everyone... this does NOT mean they'll loose money... but it does mean they'll loose marketshare... just like they did in the Windows/mac showdow in the 80's. The most open platform will win.My money though the start is humble is on googlebtw ebay.com... same damn story... they opened the markets to everyone... turned every buyer into a seller, and look at them now buying Skype for $4 billion... crazy bastards.Peace,-MikeOn Jan 16, 2006, at 4:00 PM, Adam Quirk wrote: On 1/16/06, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I am more of a fan of picking out my own content. That is the beauty of video on the web...the options. If I wanted someone else picking out what was cool for me to watch I could just turn on TV? No?This is very true. If what you wanted to watch existed on the TV, then that
Re: [videoblogging] The PAN!
Well here's the two feeds.iPod: http://mefeedia.com/feeds/4233/PSP: http://mefeedia.com/feeds/4217/There's most definitely things to be fixed on both sides... mefeedia is probably hanging on the double enclosure and The Pan needs to remove the image enclosure can't waut to be watching yumme viral media porn on my video ipod... probably the best place to watch it. :)-MikeOn Jan 16, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Devlon wrote: I tried adding it earlier and noticed the two enclosure tags. I wouldn't think the system would exclude it for that, but I'll look at the code tonight.On 1/16/06, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, well it's only supposed to have one video in it, since today's the 1st day. But I wonder why it's not showing up in Mefeedia?The gaddammed Effing movable type plugin is making an enclosure out of our poster frame, which has been baffling me for several weeks now. But I don't think Mefeedia would reject a feed due to multiple enclosures. iTunes just takes the correct one (somehow). The itunes feed is: http://thepan.org/ipod.xmlNote to anybody using MTEnclosures, know how to exclude an enclosure by length? I can't use mime_exclude because they're both technically qt vids.I posted at the MT message board to no avail.Maybe I need to email Brandon Fuller directlyAQ On 1/16/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just an FYI... that PSP feed I think needs a little work.http://thepan.org/psp.xml I plugged it into mefeedia and got no videos. Looked at the feed and it only has one video in it. http://mefeedia.com/feeds/4217/Is this the exact same feed used in itunes?I'm not quite ready to click on that link and dig the url out of itunes interface... rat itunes bastards. :) -MikeOn Jan 16, 2006, at 3:31 AM, Adam Quirk wrote: Note to you FireANT users, if you want to subscribe just use the PSP feed. It has the same QT videos as the iTunes feed.I'd also like to say...woo...and whew.-AQ Thank you,Mica, Adam, and the PAN team Meet our contributors – http://thepan.org/contributors/ Visit The PAN – http://thepan.org / SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging " on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service .YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Incredible Dog Challenge Podcast and Televised...
like their new support for ipod compatible mp4 video in which everyone says yeah... that's cool and then goes back to their life because they don't use and aren't going to pay the $5 to check out how cool is really is... It's the great god damn pay wall of china! The curse iron curtain of russia... know knowlege of said functions behind this wall shall ever become public! Can you imagine if ebay didn't allow you to search until you set up an account with a credit card? Why do people go nuts about having to signup with the NYTimes just to read a freaking story... and not about Eric's Audioblog.com? Because noone knows about the damn audioblog.com? Maybe I should start a poll! Who hear has ever used audioblog.com? Who hear knows that audioblog.com does video? Who hear knows what formats of video it supports? Who here has even heard of audioblog.com before this email.. Now... Who hear has ever used blip.tv? What can you tell me about blip.tv? Who hear has ever used Youtube! What do you know about Youtube? Any other services I should include in this poll? I'll guarentee you audioblog will come out dead fucking last in awareness! Doh! Whatever! I give up. Eric's a stubborn mo fo! And Eric... change the goddam name already! LOL! ... and you're destroying you damn first movers advantage! It's tuff love baby! Sorry, I just get cranky when I see such cool stuff, almost make it and then just fail miserably. Ron, if you know someone over there at Purina I'd be happy to lend my expertise as to best practices to search-ability and accessibility. It's my pleasure to share my freakish aptitude and detailed insight into the how and why of such issues and would be happy to offer my expertise free of charge just to see their video podcast not suck for them. In fact I have a good mind to run their feed through feedburner and instantly increase their exposure 1000 fold... take that you unknowingly inaccessible brilliant fools! Peace, -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link blog http://evilvlog.com - Serious lunacy has a new domain. http://mefeedia.com On Jan 15, 2006, at 8:52 AM, Ron Watson wrote: http://events.purina.com/dogs/events/idcwest2005/ Here is a link to the Incredible Dog Challenge podcast page. Check out the flying disc finals and Eastern Regionals to see my dog, Leilani and I, and if you want to see some carnage, check out the Western Regional. Such a bummer that we have idiot announcers that have no idea what this game is all about and manage to give Discdoggers a bad name. Anyway, this will be televised today: 12:30pm-2pm EST on NBC. Hope you all enjoy. Ron Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] ipod conversion now built into iTunes
On Jan 15, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: With the latest itunes 6.02 or whatever the latest version is, theres a new option if you right-click on a video, 'convert selection for ipod'. Bit of a stupid choice of words that, but it works, probably uses the quicktime 7.0.4 ipod export as its about the same speed, so its creating baseline h264 m4v's. No crap? You sure? You know they've had this feature for mp3's forever... I use it all the time for taking an MOV of a speach or presentation and converting it to an mp3... but I didn't expect it to ever do video. Are you sure it does video? I won't believe it to I see it... my system is updating right now, I will try soon. I havent tried it too much so far, and I havent worked out if itunes can be set to do this stuff automatically, but hey its progress I guess. People can convert to ipod format without buying quicktime pro (I think) and if your videos can be made to show up in itunes, you know people now have a way to get them to their ipods even if you arent using an ipod compatible format. I'm not so sure about this... I think you're falsely raising my hopes.. and I'm going to have to go back to using iSquint. :( This applies to Mac PC versions. Steve of Elbows Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] download google videos
Howdy Josh, Been meaning to ask you what you thought of the new google video. It seems to be moving in the right direction. It's still of no practical use to vloggers since you can't enclose a link to a video, but it's no longer quite the media trap it once was, and the potential for anyone to sell videos through it means it could be very accessible and long tail... not just a marketplace for hollywood content. More below. On Jan 15, 2006, at 1:11 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: apparently the videos you can purchase through Google Video Store aren't made to be played in common media players. Here's a hack to download AVI versions of the videos: http://www.querocarromogi.com/videogoogle/ I'm not sure about pay only' videos... very interested to hear more, but for free videos if you choose download for ipod or PSP you get a portable standard format mp4 you can take anywhere or do anything with. Anyone else try purchasing content through google video? -Mike -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] ipod conversion now built into iTunes
On Jan 15, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: This is true. Its in their features list on the download page for iTunes. Why would you be in disbelief here? Seems like a natural feature and the export option is built into QT Pro. BTW, all the features of QT Pro are accessible from the Quicktime API. This means that when you buy QT Pro you're buying nothing other than the convenience of accessing features that were already on your computer through a nice and simple GUI (which I still think is worth it). -Josh Damn, You're right... very sweet.. Sync Home Movies New in iTunes 6. - Create iPod-compatible versions of your own movies using iTunes. BUT what formats does it work for? I assume it'll work for anything QT can play... DIVX or AVI if you have the DIVX QT component... I can't wait to try it out. Maybe at some point in the future I can have it automatically convert my video blog subscriptions. The only question is how darn long it's going to take... H264 conversion is very time intensive. -Mike On 1/15/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 15, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: With the latest itunes 6.02 or whatever the latest version is, theres a new option if you right-click on a video, 'convert selection for ipod'. Bit of a stupid choice of words that, but it works, probably uses the quicktime 7.0.4 ipod export as its about the same speed, so its creating baseline h264 m4v's. No crap? You sure? You know they've had this feature for mp3's forever... I use it all the time for taking an MOV of a speach or presentation and converting it to an mp3... but I didn't expect it to ever do video. Are you sure it does video? I won't believe it to I see it... my system is updating right now, I will try soon. I havent tried it too much so far, and I havent worked out if itunes can be set to do this stuff automatically, but hey its progress I guess. People can convert to ipod format without buying quicktime pro (I think) and if your videos can be made to show up in itunes, you know people now have a way to get them to their ipods even if you arent using an ipod compatible format. I'm not so sure about this... I think you're falsely raising my hopes.. and I'm going to have to go back to using iSquint. :( This applies to Mac PC versions. Steve of Elbows Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] ipod conversion now built into iTunes
On Jan 15, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: Maybe it's because Michael was in hard disagreement with me and others in that last long long thread on the vertigo list. I said then and still think it should be the user's responsibility that content plays on their device, not the author's. Ie. I provide only one or two formats and the user can then convert to whatever format suits his needs, because he is the only one who knows what fits him. I'm glad Apple agrees with me. Although I imagine the encoding time is a big turn-off unless it happens in the background. I love how you make it out like it's an agreement like it's a human quality... when in fact it's just simple economics... Apple didn't agree with you. :) AND my position is not a disagreement... some things CANNOT convert on the fly... like for example... anything that's not a full blow computer such as Tivo, such as Akimbo, such as cell phones and PDA's you've vastly mischaracterized my argument andreas. I am in favor of tools at the edge of the network... i.e. the end users computer, that automatically do conversion to the proper format for the device... it's a great thing... perhaps Tivo will include this in Tivo... or Akimbo in their platform... all I'm saying is it makes more sense that for a lot of portable devices... especially for those that don't sync to a computer but get content directly from the internet for this transcoding to happen either through some middle ware service or at the blog level... or of course they can just try to support more formats... and of course not all blogs can or will have every format... rocketboom is one of the rare vlogs that do support a wide variety of fromats... so such middle services that do transcoding will not only be a necissity, but will likely be VERY common in the future... because they'll be a neccessity for portable devices untill their is some widespread standardization on formats like the mp3. Now as for my disbelief it's simply because I've heavily used the convert for ipod feature on previous versions and it'd never supported conversion of videos to 4mv... not even on 6.0.1 or .2 or . 3 or whatever. It just converted to mp3. Steve said he hadn't used it and hadn't tried it... nothing gave me any indication that the exact same convert to ipod feature should sudenly have new functionality in the latest miniscule release... I incorrectly thought Steve had just rediscovered a feature already present, not a lot of people knew about the convesion people. Simple mistake. :) Anyway... I need to go restart my mac now and give it a shot. Didn't mean to insult Steve or be rude or anything. :) peace, -Mike And for the record: I think you're the first person to call the QT Pro GUI nice. Simple, certainly. Nice... Not so much. :o) - Andreas On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:04:35 +0100, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true. Its in their features list on the download page for iTunes. Why would you be in disbelief here? Seems like a natural feature and the export option is built into QT Pro. BTW, all the features of QT Pro are accessible from the Quicktime API. This means that when you buy QT Pro you're buying nothing other than the convenience of accessing features that were already on your computer through a nice and simple GUI (which I still think is worth it). -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: ipod conversion now built into iTunes
On Jan 15, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Those authors will have limited sales or go out of business. The average user doesn't want another step to figure out a codec to make their video work. They want it to simply work and will bypass products that requires additional work. Not necessarily true. What did you have to do to get your CDs on your iPod? -Josh True Josh. Look I don't care where the transcoding happens just as long as it's transparent and doesn't in fact become a tool weilded for exclusivity and access, which is BTW, EXACTLY the proposal of DRM... it's inoperability by design... All I care about is that everyone who can create a video can have it anywhere vlogs can and will go. It's got to be open and accessible. There are in fact two forces at work on this accesibility issue... consumer demand and creator demand... some people will try to solve the issue by making better tools for creators and some people will try and solve it by creating better tools for consumers... both solutions are equitable.. but the important thing is that it's in EVERYONE's best interest. iTunes is solving the issue for THEIR consumers of media, that's cool, but just one way to do it. Mostly I'm just very pleased that we're starting to see some solutions for the transcoding issues. I can't wait to see how it plays out. -Mike On 1/15/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's because Michael was in hard disagreement with me and others in that last long long thread on the vertigo list. I said then and still think it should be the user's responsibility that content plays on their device, not the author's. Ie. I provide only one or two formats and the user can then convert to whatever format suits his needs, because he is the only one who knows what fits him. Those authors will have limited sales or go out of business. The average user doesn't want another step to figure out a codec to make their video work. They want it to simply work and will bypass products that requires additional work. -- Enric I'm glad Apple agrees with me. Although I imagine the encoding time is a big turn-off unless it happens in the background. And for the record: I think you're the first person to call the QT Pro GUI nice. Simple, certainly. Nice... Not so much. :o) - Andreas On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:04:35 +0100, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true. Its in their features list on the download page for iTunes. Why would you be in disbelief here? Seems like a natural feature and the export option is built into QT Pro. BTW, all the features of QT Pro are accessible from the Quicktime API. This means that when you buy QT Pro you're buying nothing other than the convenience of accessing features that were already on your computer through a nice and simple GUI (which I still think is worth it). -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: the clerks videoblog
That's pretty cool Jay, thanks for the feed... that's going right on my ipod subscription list... BTW, do you dig up new stuff like this every week? -Mike On Jan 15, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Jay dedman wrote: dont know if you like movies, but heres a cool video: http://clerks2.com/movies/goodbadman560.mov Director Kevin Smith has his friends(Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez) over to watch his recent cut... and gets feedback. when do we ever get to see stuff like this? here is Kevin Smith's feed: http://clerks2.com/clerks2ipod.xml Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://getFireAnt.com http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] download google videos
On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:55 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Been meaning to ask you what you thought of the new google video. I think its getting a little better, but its still far from good. Remember though, this is a very new direction for Goog. This is their first real attempt at e-commerce. This is also the first Google Search product that only searches Google's resources... expect similar from Google Base. This is a very interesting shift in strategy for Goog since all other search products are defined by their usefulness in their ability to link outbound from Google. Right now I think the Google Video Store interface needs a lot of work. It is also drastically lacking in terms of mainstream content. Let's compare, Apple started their video store with Desperate Housewives, Lost, and videos from U2 and Madonna. Google started theirs with CSI (okay), old Charlie Rose episodes, and old Brady Bunch episodes. Perhaps the thought of non-mainstream content providers setting their own price for download is attractive... we'll have to wait and see. But I'm told that the purchased videos from Google (I haven't attempted yet) only play in a special Google Video player and are not interoperable with any other media players. To me, this makes the value of their video offering significantly less... I'd be buying something that's designed to be broken (thank you DRM). Now, if I bought something that I could burn to a DVD (fair use if just fo me), shift to my TV somehow, put on my iPod or PSP, etc, then that would be of value. Yeap, I to am really wondering about the DRM issue... some rumored pay content would be purchaseable without DRM, but I'm not going to run out and futz around and purchase content just to find out time will tell. But here's the deal. Google has the luxury of time. They'll get better. They have a history of doing this. Starting with an initial crappy offering and then improving as they go. They've got enough money and engineering talent to see it through. So I guess we just have to wait and see. I agree with you though, I don't see this as being of much real use to videobloggers. -Josh I pretty much agree. I think that perhaps google had to start out closed and slowly open it up... and they'll continue to do so 1) you can't retract access... if you give away to much access and then retract it they'll be huge backlash 2) making such a service to open could potentially expose them to legal liablities All in all what I'm thinking is they're just trying to ease into the game. This is the same way they've rolled out crappy betas of many of their services... it's over time that their ideaologies and principals will become apparent. I could see this one day being useful to vloggers to sell a la carte media... but not in the vlogging process... not in say a paid subscription mechanism... not without serious revisions... anyway, it's got a very long way to go... google has barely scratched the surface and in fact does really have all the time in the world in this early game. About the non-mainstream media... google has never been an exclusivist... their market has always been making things accessible. I don't think google wants to make a store by which they make a lot of money of the few... I think what google's business plan might be is to make a little bit of money of an infinite amount of contnet... call it long tail B.S. or whatever. -Mike On 1/15/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Josh, Been meaning to ask you what you thought of the new google video. It seems to be moving in the right direction. It's still of no practical use to vloggers since you can't enclose a link to a video, but it's no longer quite the media trap it once was, and the potential for anyone to sell videos through it means it could be very accessible and long tail... not just a marketplace for hollywood content. More below. On Jan 15, 2006, at 1:11 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: apparently the videos you can purchase through Google Video Store aren't made to be played in common media players. Here's a hack to download AVI versions of the videos: http://www.querocarromogi.com/videogoogle/ I'm not sure about pay only' videos... very interested to hear more, but for free videos if you choose download for ipod or PSP you get a portable standard format mp4 you can take anywhere or do anything with. Anyone else try purchasing content through google video? -Mike -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: the clerks videoblog
I used to when this thing began subscribe to the entire pipe of something like blogdigger media feeds and well a half dozen other sources... now the pipe is soo damn fat it'd take me a month to look at a 24 hour slice of such media. I haven't in fact taken a look at what's coming out of the firehose in about 6 months.. but at some point I'll probably will if only to get a good sense of how things are progressing... What are people sharing... what are the trends... what's new and unexpected... it's not something you do everyday. What I'm looking for is new levels of filters... more practical filters that I can integrate into my day to day so I will be subscribing to your feed jay. BTW, one of the things I've been playing with recently is favorited video feeds on mefeedia... I expect I'll be playing with them on flickr too... We need much better systems, particularly ones that use favoriting and tagging to filter and organize media through aggregat actions... it's what delicious does but not very well with media. -Mike On Jan 15, 2006, at 1:44 PM, Jay dedman wrote: That's pretty cool Jay, thanks for the feed... that's going right on my ipod subscription list... BTW, do you dig up new stuff like this every week? im always finding cool videos in my aggregator. we're working on makiing tagging easier so people (like me) could become a filter channel. ill sort through hundreds of videos so you dnt have to. Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://getFireAnt.com http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: ipod conversion now built into iTunes
On Jan 15, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: right... you had to drag the stuff in and it automatically converts. But it still had to convert. Its just that the interface was simple and intuitive. I would think that iTunes will try to make the process roughly the same for video on the iPod. -Josh The only problem with this ease of use and transparency is video conversion is VERY processor intensive and can in fact take DAYS for say a DVD and hours for a simple podcast. It's not apple that's being a tyrant it's simple technical issues... it's not that the end device shouldn't transcode to the proper format it's that sometimes it simply can't. Anyway, all this such will be offset by a slow standardization on a format like mp3, perhaps that will be mp4. Any guesses? -Mike On 1/15/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those authors will have limited sales or go out of business. The average user doesn't want another step to figure out a codec to make their video work. They want it to simply work and will bypass products that requires additional work. Not necessarily true. What did you have to do to get your CDs on your iPod? -Josh I put the CD in my drive, the songs appear in iTunes with the CD icon. I drag the songs to the Library. They automaticaly convert. When I plugin my iPod the songs automaticaly update to the iPod. No additional codecs to run, no outside software to figure out through manuals or website instructions. Insert, drag, plugin -- standard and mainly intuitive human actions. -- Enric On 1/15/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's because Michael was in hard disagreement with me and others in that last long long thread on the vertigo list. I said then and still think it should be the user's responsibility that content plays on their device, not the author's. Ie. I provide only one or two formats and the user can then convert to whatever format suits his needs, because he is the only one who knows what fits him. Those authors will have limited sales or go out of business. The average user doesn't want another step to figure out a codec to make their video work. They want it to simply work and will bypass products that requires additional work. -- Enric I'm glad Apple agrees with me. Although I imagine the encoding time is a big turn-off unless it happens in the background. And for the record: I think you're the first person to call the QT Pro GUI nice. Simple, certainly. Nice... Not so much. :o) - Andreas On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:04:35 +0100, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true. Its in their features list on the download page for iTunes. Why would you be in disbelief here? Seems like a natural feature and the export option is built into QT Pro. BTW, all the features of QT Pro are accessible from the Quicktime API. This means that when you buy QT Pro you're buying nothing other than the convenience of accessing features that were already on your computer through a nice and simple GUI (which I still think is worth it). -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] the clerks videoblog
On Jan 15, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Ted Tagami wrote: Jay, what a great find! Two thoughts: (1) the celebrity of the filmmakers is one thing, but its great just to see friends get together and discuss the work and process, and for us to have a lens into that process. (2) damn good marketing wonder if any of these guys subscribes to the group... ;)Damn, that's exactly what I was thinking too... "cellebrities are people too" :)Sometimes media and the people in it get so abstracted we forget they're human... I think this is one of the legacies of Ebay.. .it turned buyers into sellers and taught us all something about the person on the other end of the phone or other side of the counter.Vlogging is a humanizing thing indeed.And also damn good marketing. :)On 1/15/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dont know if you like movies, but heres a cool video: http://clerks2.com/movies/goodbadman560.mov Director Kevin Smith has his friends(Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez) over to watch his recent cut... and gets feedback. when do we ever get to see stuff like this? jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://getFireAnt.com http://node101.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted Tagamitagami.comU N I V E R S U S . N E T YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.
On Jan 14, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Richard Show wrote: On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excuse me but...None of us have absolute knowledge. I think its clear that i indeed have absolute knowledge. fyi.sullMichael,I'm really sorry to say this, truly, but you don't have absolute knowledge. I know that because, of course, I do Richard absolute knowledge Show :)-- Richard http://www.richardshow.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] is blip.tv faster than Archive/Ourmedia?
On Jan 12, 2006, at 8:30 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: in-depth comparison... no.But IA has been notoriously slow. It's not meant for VideoOnDemand but rather for archival storage.Supposedly, they are and/or want to scale up to meet the demands of Open Media Distribution. Blip.TV is faster and more reliable, stable and easier to use etc I have noticed that of late the download speed has slowed a bit but that could be unique to my experience.They do use some throttling but not sure if that is only on uploads or not. Blipper boys can chime in.Ha! You said "blipper boys"... I love it.In case you don't get it... you know when you have a hit webservice when people openly start giving you knocknames in public. It's a cult marketing indicator.I've not thoroughly tested other free services speed but VSocial.com is an overall great option.Otherwise, if you can afford about $100 a year or less use dreamhost or 1and1. I'm interested to hear more of your opnions and reviews sull... do you do a services and tools guide on vlogdir?As of yet I've not seen any sorts of tool and tools "guides" and "reviews" rise to the top. Steve garfield does some, and their's a cool guide for ipod compatible videos though I forget the url off hand and I'm talking more about tools and services not content. There's DV Guid, but it's non-specific. What others have I missed?-Mikesull On 1/12/06, wazman_au [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been getting complaints that Crash Test Kitchen vids don'tdownload quickly enough. Ideally I'd like to host the videos myself,and I was doing this initially, but I started uploading to theInternet Archive a while back because our bandwidth costs were getting out of control.I've started moving a few videos across to blip.tv which seems fasteron the face of it. Has anyone done any in-depth comparison of thespeed of the blip compared with IA? What is the most blazingly fast free service available (if there is one)?Wazhttp://www.crashtestkitchen.comYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts
I must agree with Josh, though Mike I did find your fresh perspective and information very insightful. As I see it while the aquisition of Macromedia by Adobe and the video share market does bode well for the flash format I still see it as a niche tool which will have to fight deperately to move beyond the web as a platform or even to keep up with the web platform. Here are three specific points. 1) It's closed... it's got issues with accessibility and interoperability... this to both developers (programmers and media makers) and end users. if Macromedia opened up the file format and made a standard out of it and let others compete on that platform... and develop to it just as long as they supported macromedias spec... even if they didn't allow others to extend the specification I think it would be a very powerful move... that MIGHT get it included in Quicktime and other media players... AND especially in devices like Treo's, handhelds, Tivo's, the PSP, iPods and other future devices. Flash is the ONLY video player I know in fact that supports it... and I'm not just talking video RSS aggregator either... I mean ANY player. Not even VLC or Mplayer support it I believe... and they're becoming the stock and standard video players... though still work in progress they support everything. In fact I think Flash is dying to bust out because there is so much great flash specific content... stuff with light interactivity and especially animation work. There's no denying it's a great format, it's just not accessible and interoperable. Adobe for example has become the defacto standard with PDF... and that's because they opened it up... now other people can develop to it and publish to it... I see Macromedia Flash in very much a similar role. They need to focus more on making Flash accessible and interoperable. 2) It's not for video... it is infact not a video tool... it is a niche tool... it doesn't function like video, it doesn't play like video... it doesn't play back in most video playback tools... FlASH IS A NICHE TOOL... it's carved out quite a niche for itself but it's made it's bed and now it has to lye in it. As mentioned above it's niche is interactivity and animation. That said I think it's the preferred format of choice for viral media makers... i.e. jibjab... because it is so portable, light and quick to load... It's definitely the most portable of all media formats... accept for beyond the web browser... to date not a single non web browser device supports it... no portable video players, no cell phones... nada. In order to get out of this niche they're going to have to bust a cap in point number one this will over time change point number two when it's becomes more standard in video playback tools and they learn to make it function more like video... from allowing outside standardized playback control to supporting ID3 meta info. 3) DRM... it employs some sort of soft fucked up DRM... it pisses me off and it's enough to be a pain in the ass... but it has no hard core DRM aimed at Hollywood... Now I say this hating DRM... because DROM is law encoded through technology and inaccessible to basic HUMANS... and laws must remain accessible to humans in order for the planet to remain humane and fair (as in fair use that thing that people keep forgetting about) and I'm not just talking about fair use and playback for the end user... I also mean keeping markets and distribution open and accessible too... i.e. we should ALL have the same rights under the law... i.e. clearly apple's Fairplay makes law a commodity...if DRM should become the standard... than to the extent it becomes a standard it becomes tyranical, and anti-competitive... even racketeering... clearly it's pay up or you'll get no access to apple's marketplace... this will only get worse in the future But enough of my viewpoints on DRM... The point is macromedia needs to make some real policy on DRM to attract hollywood... My suggestion would be to simultaneously make the format more open and more closed... like apple's iPod... make a default publishing state that allows for editing, format shifting, sharing... and make one or two DRM states for increasing levels of evilness so so called big media or hollywood will be encouraged to use the platform. Let the DRM compete on the same platform with free and open as Apple is doing... clearly free and open content is winning... just look at podcasting as a business vs. Apple's music sales... I'll bet you a beer there's more revenue in podcasting and vlogging by the end of 2006 than there is in apple music sales... Yes, I'm saying little media is going to kick big media's ass on the ipod platform... crazy I know, but not only do open markets encourage innovation... but open markets distribute wealth far more equitably too... Big grin... :) It's the same
Re: [videoblogging] Re: quoting, tagging and smallest narrative elements
I like the idea of allowing users to annotate videos with the quote tool... Think flickr's annotation tool, but ours is time based. Someone makes an edit and then enters a comment. Then on the video page it appears down below the video with the other comments not on the video like flickr does with photos.So, the user can not only read the annotation... but click on a link and watch the annotation... Right there in the page. Oh, and perhaps they could tag the annotation too. Pretty cool. It's all very conversational.Perhaps somehow we can make it so people can add it to their blogs... with a link or something. Or perhaps a _javascript_ thingy they drop in their vlog post... perhaps a link thingy that they enable like feedburner's feedflare that shows up in the RSS... it's all very doable.So... why would people use this? In a word, panels, speaches, conferences You can directly reference a portion of a video and comment on it. Panels, speaches, and conferences rock.Well, peace,-MikeOn Jan 6, 2006, at 9:17 AM, Devlon wrote: The quoting at Mefeedia was a bit clunky. It was too slow to scan to the quoted pieces.On 1/6/06, duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/6/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, tagging segments of video that can next be linked, aggregated and re-connected, etc. is a project I've been conceptualizing, drawing some prototypes and starting to work on (initially in Flash.) sounds good, and great to know people are looking at these possibilities.. i built a similar system in director a few years ago.. the main problem is the aggregation of online material. it was fine for marking material that i imported in manually, but how do we work with material in peoples feeds/blogs? i think peter was heading in the right direction with his quoting system.. (any ideas how that worked? peter is away at the moment).. somehow it needs to be able to tag stuff and maybe (just maybe) let people download only the tagged segment? d -- URL: http://29fragiledays.blogspot.com URL: http://www.kleindesign.co.uk SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Yet another application for videoblogging...
I'm thinking the home shopping network meets vlogging. Ebay becomes a multimedia network... the ebay show. Pure happy evilness. I subscribe to the ebay channel and get agregated videos of products... later I can filter by categories or my trusted friends and sellers... any way I like... homemade produced videos... everyone becomes a ron popeil (sp?) :) I've already seen a few video podcasts that demo products... mostly they're very dull though... but I could see engadget or make video podcasting... It's the future. :) -Mike mmeiser.com/blog evilvlog.com On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:44 PM, Devlon wrote: eBay auctions. Here's a page that talks about using podcasts to enhance the descriptions of eBay auction http://auctionbytes.com/cab/abu/y205/m12/abu0157/s02 ...but why stop at audio, imagine the imapct of a video description of an auction item? All different angles, you could see the item in action (if applicable) Cool. -- ~Devlon Blog: http://devlond.blogspot.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Yet another application for videoblogging...
I think that's crazy talk about the future. I think you're right, but maybe in five years. It's advanced thinking. You're certainly right about the trust aspect. It's a salesman's wet dream. -Mike On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: I read somethign once that kept going on about how the true value in ebay is trust. Its there to facilitate trust between sellers and buyers. Makes sense, and video can be another trust-building component. Someone with the right video service could do well to look at ebay. ebay bought Skype for a lot of $, again perhaps to use as trust-building technology within ebay as much as for its other merits. Maybe ebay will buy a easy video publishing service company one of these days. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eBay auctions. Here's a page that talks about using podcasts to enhance the descriptions of eBay auction http://auctionbytes.com/cab/abu/y205/m12/abu0157/s02 ...but why stop at audio, imagine the imapct of a video description of an auction item? All different angles, you could see the item in action (if applicable) Cool. -- ~Devlon Blog: http://devlond.blogspot.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: more players other than iPod
On Jan 3, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: That's my point... I'll be at CES and will look for as many players as possible. This is still very early going in all of this. Video iPod is now about 2 months old. I'd hardly say it has the entire market captured. There are so many stakeholders in this game that I highly doubt a "one ring to rule them all" solution will pan out. The iPod is definitely cool, but its not the only game in town. Things are just getting warmed up.Ha! "one ring solutions" I trademarked that concept you can't use it. :) LOL. Of course I'm joking use it all you like, BUT... there are a couple other thingsa) the nokia 770... big 600x800 screen in a tiny handheld... runs debian I believe... plays umpteen different video formats... more than most computers... completely connected via wifi... doesn't have a lot of built in memory much like the PSP, but it supports flash media just fine... so what I'm saying that is in addition to just browsing and watching videos on it one could actually potentially put an open source aggregator like DTV on it and aggregate videos directly to the device... ...or you could just browse and watch... or you could just sync... or just download for later... whatever you like. Just get a 1gig or 2gig card.b) cell phones... I do believe this market will open up... because cellular providers are interested in paying off the upgrade of their band... right now they've tried to cover costs with big exclusive partnerships, but they have NOT blocked other services... in fact there is a war going on over the internet on cell phones... i.e. getting your gmail on your phone or using other services... and I believe that network neutrality will win out... for one simple reason... if they want to pay for their band then the best way to do that is let a whole host of internet services run over their phones... there's already an infinitem of rich content out there... it doesn't make much sense for cellular companies to block all other services just to sell $2.99 ringtones... and a few dozen videos not when for example all their business clients have their own specific uses and tools that they need access too... and not when there's an infinite and rich amount of content and services all over the web... this would be akin to a small country trade boycotting the rest of the world... makes no sense... they'd be boycotting themselves... I believe it'll shake out, this year in fact, but we're still in the very early game... so it's a very argumentative point... so please feel free.What I really, really want to hear though is about rboom.com... it may not be getting hardly any traffic at all, but any stats Andrew could give us would be tremendously helpful... how many visitors any information on their phones or networks repeat visitors? Anything at all.Also, mobuzz did some stuff in this space... I but I haven't seen them hanging out here.-Mike -Josh On 1/3/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/3/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not underwhelmed, just unwilling to concede that Apple is the *only* player out there. There is more than Apple. Much more. What else is there? (besides, PSP and that gadget Jay just mentioned?) I believe that video creators, consumers, and participants should have choices. Let there be more content, more creators, more devices, more software, more marketplaces, more business models, and more ways to experience and interact with media. Yes, definately! -Josh On 1/3/06, avideye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True. It's a shameleaves all the power in Apple's hands for now I guess. I'm new here, so I'm just catching up and maybe I'be missed a lot of debate... With Apple putting so many portable video players into so many potential videoblog watchers' hands who probably until now have never even considered watching a podcast, I'm surprised people are underwhelmed by the potential mass market Apple has delivered to you. Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: I Dream of Rocketboom
I now realize i've been short sited in my video blogging endevors... Screw this video iPod! Next year I'm asking santa for videoblogging groupies! 2006 is going to be the year of video blogging groupies! Never underestimate the power of screaming girls to create a sensation. Video blogging is going to be BIG! :) So... I wonder... in the world of video blogging where everyone is famous to 15 people... how many of them are groupies? Oh... I'm going to hell. But I'll be laughing my ass off all the way there. Peace, -Mike On Jan 2, 2006, at 10:18 PM, Amanda Congdon wrote: This was hilarious, Kitka. Now I'm imagining Andrew Baron Cohen with a goatee...HAHAHA... How are the ad sales going? ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the past four days, Amanda Congdon has been in my dreams five times. (Don't worry, I'm not complaining... I think Amanda is clever, beautiful and utterly hilarious). The other night I dreamt that I met her along with Andrew Baron Cohen (who I have NO IDEA what he looks like but my mind invented an image of a tall slim brown-eyed and brown-haired man with a goatie). After meeting the two of them and helping them edit a portion of Rocketboom by showing them how to use a certain effect, I told Amanda that I met her a few times this week in my dreams. After being a little weirded out by my statement, they later continued to chat with me and told me I should make an homage episode to Rocketboom (Richard Show-style). In the first dream I had this week starring Amanda, I walked up to her on the street in NYC and said hello to her she replied by asking me whether I had raised money in advertising yet... What does all this mean? Is Amanda a metaphor for my conscience or a beacon to tell me to keep striving? Ah well, if someone's going to haunt my dreams, thank goodness it's someone like Amanda Congdon! Happy new years everyone... and sweet dreams. Kitka http://www.kitkast.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video IS A TRAP!
Yeah, I forgot about those too... -hosting/bandwidth -equitment -space -time costs It all ads up to not cheap... but we're leveragers... we all make things work buy leveraging tools we already have for things we need... i.e. Amanda's getting some good exposure... as is Andrew... and I'm sure they have their own personal motives and residual profits. -Mike On Jan 3, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Bill Streeter wrote: Yeah I always found the $25 a day number a little misleading too. I don't think that this accounts for the hosting and bandwidth costs either. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser groups-yahoo- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 24, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Ron Watson wrote: I would have to say that Rocketboom's numbers are a bit scary, especially on a production budget of next to nothing. I'd like to point out that the production cost of rocketboom reported as $25 a day are not the true costs... much as I love them this is totally misleading. This does not take into account the cost of the space... even if it is Andrews apartment is still has a cost... the cost of the equipment even if bought and paid for... which including cameras and laptops may be well over $10k... and most importantly the coast of Andrew's and Amanda's time... which is most definitely well over $100k a year... or they are seriously undervaluing their talent. :) I always keep my time and equipment costs in mind in whatever I do and try to minimize them in whatever I do... to lie to yourself about such costs can be very costly. Imagine if a bunch of Democracy Now's sprung up and got similar to 'broadcast' numbers... What if we had a bunch of pro-peace Vloggers publishing regularly in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq? What if they were really good? I think Democracy Now and pro-peace bloggers would have to seriously reshape their image to capture that kind of market... it requires some real polish and talent but I really think it can be done... To find out what I'm talking about check out the Viridian Design Movement - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viridian_Design_Movement - and it's WorldChaning.org As a friend of mine would say... think green is sexy... think poltics is sexy... think intelligence is sexy... now drill that point home. I think this was Peta's aim when they highered that one baywatch chick what's her name... unimportant... anyway... wether it has worked or not is questionable. I think that this medium, while it will probably never take over from corporate media, is earth shattering. It gives people, for next to nothing, regular old people, the right to be heard. It does so with moving pictures, which has been pretty much the sole realm of corporate media since moving pictures were created. Exactly. If a picture tells a thousand words, how many does a well made film piece tell? Regular people simply are not allowed to say that much. Pessimist. pick up you're camera or mic or pen... we're listening. :) You can only say that much if you are making money on it, or if you have the money to buy it. You have to earn the right to speak that loud. What does the media stand to lose to Vlogging? Billions in lost ad revenue? Control over information? Exclusivity? Maybe their customers will develop their own distribution system and cut them out entirely instead of making billion dollar ad buys? Who knows? But one thing is for sure, we threaten them, lots. I think actually... I have this weird theory... that they ironically have much to gain... but much like all my ideas it's wholy unsubstantiated Except for what's happening in the blogging and news world with certain large newspapers and certain hyper local ones that are getting the hang of how to work with bloggers not against them. Also it's being discussed as an aspect of long tail theory... I call it the breadth vs. depth debate... My point is as the breadth of media widens... there will also be tremendous growth and at least some of that growth will happen in the mainstream media tool Why? because intellectual property markets are appreciative goods... meaning the more people are aware of them and appreciate them... the more value they gain. Our media industry is big... but it doesn't have access to the rest of the world market... ironically as it's decentralized and deregulated it will be introduced to vast new markets... vast new markets with a new appreciation for American Film... We're seeing this for example with the NY Times and Washington post... I think their value and indeed their markets are larger than ever in this world of millions of bloggers... we need sources of record now more than ever... They may not steer the debate any longer (not that they have for the last half the century, radio then TV took over)... but they are now the recorders and aggregators and pulse takers of the conversation
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Real People Network
I don't know what's up with the male chauvinism theme today! :) ...but I just wanted to say this. While I encourage everyone to just make some damn media... whatever it is that makes them happy and productive and sustains them... we always need more vlogging, audio podcasting and blogging ABOUT videoblogging and related media issues. (And revlogging too.) We need to make this debate here and on other yahoo groups more accessible to the masses... not just to promote our end video creations... but all the issues and knowledge surrounding vlogging and open access media, especially the issues in this group. This is a large part of what it means to make vlogging more accessible. It's not just about better tools, better hosting... or more press. It's also about being evangelists. I think JD's Real People Network is and excellent example, as is his book on Darknets... as is We Are the Media, and Chris Ritke's podcast interviews with vloggers at 49 media... and even evilvlog.com with it's aim to make video blogging more accessible by significantly lowering expectations of what it takes to be a vlogger, podcaster, blogger. There are in fact an infinitude of ways to be an evangelist... Write it, read it, speak it, and shoot it. If you know any other projects... or I've left others out please let me know... I'm certain I have. Stuff to do in 2006: 1) Be an example: just make media, any media, anything at all but do it with a passion and enjoyment 2) Evangelize teach: talk about in public, blog about, teach others, joining node 101, help on freevlog, set up or go to a meet the vloggers even at your apple store or elsewhere... opportunities are endless. 3) Buld accessible tools: If you can work on software tools and services to make it more accessible do! 4) Make video blogging more physically accessible: make donations, give your old camera to your brother, sister, friend... charity... anyone who can and will use it. Stat a charity.. reach out whatever you can do 5) Have fun, enjoy it, make it sustainable... oh wait... that's point number one... well consider this reiteration... when you participate with a sustainable passion... you attract others to you and vlogging with like interest. 6) Monetize it: If you dare... monetize it and then let us know how you did it. :) The ability for making direct cash in this space is by no means one of the top goals... but it is onsome level a necessity for vlogging to move forward. I think that sums up my feelings. Feel free to clue me in if I've missed something. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog evilvlog.com mefeedia.com On Jan 3, 2006, at 11:57 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: And all this time I thought I was more of a ladies man... :-) Certainly not as much as the dream version of Andrew Baron though -Josh On 1/3/06, jdlasica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That, actually, is one of the reasons I'm doing this. It's tiresome to see the same usual (male) suspects at all these tech conferences, so we need to elevate those whose voices often aren't heard. But still, I need to get you on tape one of these days, Josh, even though you're a guy's guy ... :~) jd --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may come off the wrong way, but I'm really glad you interviewed so many women. Whenever I go to any of these tech conferences there's a noticable lack of women and I tend to find it rather shameful. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] more players other than iPod
On Jan 3, 2006, at 1:58 PM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:34:26 +0100, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, but generally they suck. They are also mostly focused on streaming video (see: Verizon Vcast) because it is easier to charge for. Phone companies don't make money selling phones, they make it selling services. I don't think they're too interested in making it easy for people to download video with their computer and then sync it to their phone for portable viewing. This is all US centric. I'm sorry that cell phone companies in the US are screwing their customers, but around these parts phones are more open. You usually have direct access to your phone's file system via your computer (IrDa, Bluetooth or a cable) and can put any file you want on the phone. I did a quick survey of phone specs and MPEG-4 seems to be the format most phones can play. I'm guessing that means #GP, but I don't own any of those phones so I don't know. You may not have access to an API where you can automate file transfers to the phone (my phone shows up as an extra drive, so a savy programmer could probably fudge it), but you can transfer whatever you want. Move to Europe, we speak funny too. :o) Well said Andreas! I'm fed up! I want better access to vlogging... I'm going to go move to Japan or Europe where the governement doesn't let companies get away with being so evil that they shoot themselves in the foot... and their customers too! ...or perhaps australia. They have the funniest accents and they speak something close enough to english. They have good cellular companies don't they? :) Seriously though... I've been using highspeed data with my laptop and cellular phone for like 3 or 4 years ago. I had to put together my own cable and hack my own modem script at the time... I think if I can do that I can get video over a cell phone... It's time to crack the camels back. I'm making it part of my personal mission... my next purchase will be a video compatible cell phone... and if I have to I'll find the find the right carrier. There's NO reason why any video on the web cannot be delivered to any video cell except for lack of vision and lack of want. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog evilvlog.com mefeedia.com - Andreas -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: more players other than iPod
On Jan 3, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Harold Johnson wrote: Yes, I recall reading that article; I definitely recommend it. The bitch of it is, Cingular was the only mobile carrier willing to accept Apple's ROKR phone, knowing full well they'd be (potentially) losing the money they could have received from a phone that was able to wirelessly download music using their (Cingular's) expensive Internet connections. In other words, it has the potential to cannibalize their sales of downloads. It's possible they chose to make the deal because they'd still be perceived as "Cool" for having the only phone that could play iTunes. I don't care what it is... I want my damn network independence... as does a growing class of business and personal users... and sooner or later one of the carriers is going to leap out a head in offering it and that's going to open a crack that's going to quickly widen into a torrent. This is the precedent that's being set with Apple's support of A/V podcasting support... there will be hundreds and hundreds of devices on the market in 2006... someone will put an aggregator on one of these devices... someone will make it wifi... and someone will make it go cellular... experimentation will go in all directions, but only if we keep building out the infrastructure, the services, the content... and building demand.Oh, and btw, that bit from Josh Kinberg and Bill Streeter about the Wired article... about the social, political and business factors being the driving factors NOT the technology... that's right on... but we all need a constant reminder... (especially myself).Sometimes the path looks so clear for a technological breakthrough... often whole companies are built with business plans to deliver tech that fails because of political or social issues... but I also want to instill a sense of optimism... we're very much in and age and in a market that's completely consumer driven... we are that market... we're the ground floor... and yet we also have tremendous resources. Building infrastructure, making media, and building momentum and critical mass is all part of the game. Let's just not through up our hands and say "U.S. cellular carriers suck" let's keep plugging away at the issues... here and in public... and by hacking the tech it's media hacktivism at it's finest. The open source / hacker ethic. Never take no for an answer. Never accept the norm.Peace,-Mikemmeiser.comevilvlog.commefeedia.comHaroldOn 1/3/06, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a good article in Wired a couple of issues back about why there isn't a really good mobile phone/music service yet--and it's all about competing business interests not technology. I think it would be a safe bet that the same issues are or will be at play with video as well. Here is a link to the article: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.11/phone.html Also I believe Eric Rice could give a little insight into delivering content to mobile phones. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] more players other than iPod
Disclaimer: not totally proofread... I might have had to much fun... Continues below.On Jan 4, 2006, at 12:34 AM, johnie tidwell wrote: Yes, from what I have been hearing under the radar the video ipod is only the tip of the iceberg ...although they got the headlines of 2005 it seems like it is going to all merge into the mobile industry in a very short time... I speculate that the Video ipod will either have to evolve into the mobile market or become comparable to the atari of the 70s/80s or mp3 players from a few years ago. With regard to content, I would keep an eye on the mobile industry and opportunities to create short content for this industry. I'm going to site Metcalf's law yet again.From: http://gonze.com/weblog/index.cgi/2005/12/05#interoperableAttempts to build walls around isolated sites will fail in the long term because of Metcalfe's Law which states that the value of a network grows by the square of the size of the network. So a network that is twice as large will be four times as valuable because there are four times as many things that can be done due to the larger number of interconnections. Because of Metcalfe's Law, the largest network always wins over smaller networks, even if the smaller network has some larger initial value due to some special-purpose feature or benefit.First, realize that the free and open web IS the largest network. All other networks are secondary, especially cellular networks... for them to do information services such as audio, video, etc... but isolate themselves from the information services of the web at large is going to hurt them... increasingly... until the start opening up their networks and allowing outside services. This is like them offering voice to voice calling only between other people on their network. Once the idea is proposed, once one network's wall is breached there will be no going back as sure as there's no going back to in-operable separate phone networks.More reading along this subject...good depth: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990725.htmlmore on metcalf'shttp://gonze.com/weblog/index.cgi/2005/03/31#3-30-5 When two networks merge, "the smaller network gains considerably more than the larger one. This produces an incentive for larger networks to refuse to interconnect without payment, a very common phenomenon in the real economy," the researchers conclude.Yes... BUT... competing networks such as cellular providers ALWAYS mistake that they're competition is other INDIVIDUAL immediate competitors... when it may be the aggregate of their competitors if their competitors are interoperable... OR... if they're moving into information services like email, SMS, IM, or video... they're competing with the largest network of services of them all... the internet!Put bluntly when you as a cellular network offer email and it's incompatible with Gmail, hotmail, yahoo and every other mail service... you're throwing money right down the toilet... you can't compete with an open network of services that's much larger than you on the internet. The same goes for video! THis is why I love it when these same companies say "oh! it's not there yet!" You're not there you idiots!This explains a lot of the B.S. in in-operability... because of this initial fallacy companies often perceive that they're in control... when in fact only one is... they misjudge that they're the biggest kid on the block and some googlezon or Microsoft comes along and turns their little in-operability game on them and kicks their ass. When you're the little guy you must be interoperable... and in a global economy... 99.999% of us are the little guy. We must be interoperable.This is VERY visible on the scale of world economics... in fact it's already played out in international politics. It's a done deal. A forgone conclusion.The biggest market always wins. It's why we've gone to a world economy... why we've moved toward free and open trade... and it directly reflects what's happening in this our information economy that we're quickly building. Why did the U.S. participate in free trade when we were the super power to beat after Russia fell... because if we didn't China, and now the EU would eventually kick our ass Why did Russia's economy fail... well part of it was poor central planning and military spending, but certainly the largest factor was it's closed markets... they couldn't compete with the evolving world market. There systems were to isolated, to inefficient do to lack of competition... and they just fell off pace with the world economy. To use a simple metaphor... they were building horse buggies when the rest of the world had moved on to cars.Why is China opening their markets when they are clearly the biggest market and indeed have a full 1/3 of the world population? Because the other 2/3 of the world population are opening their markets and that marketplace would (actually was already) kick(ing) China's ass. It's only because China opened
Re: [videoblogging] Re: other ways to view this group?
If I may make the suggestion... use gmail. It's got great threading... and if you want to use it with a pop account (aka. a desktop mail application) like mail.app, outlook or thundirbird you can. Oh! In addition to the threading gmail has great filters. I use them for picking apart my mailing lists and highlighting threads on various subjects such as particular people, webservices, product mentions, etc. etc. Even if you're NOT using gmail as your primary mail account I find it works perfect for these sort of mailing lists to keep them seperate from your personal mail because these mailing lists can clog up a most peoples email and cause them to miss more important personal mail. Of course if you're just signing up it won't have all your history... and I don't in fact think their is a way to get your yahoo history out of yahoo... but like I said it's really good at following threaded discussions and from the point you start using gmail forward you'll have a really good searchable archive. If anyone needs an account I think they're allowing open signups at gmail.com... if not I can email you one. -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link blog http://evilvlog.com - Serious lunacy has a new domain. http://mefeedia.com On Jan 2, 2006, at 11:37 AM, bottomunion wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there are some other ways to browse this group that let one search more easily, etc. Can someone refresh my memory about where to go to do this? Thanks! I use this... http://www.mail-archive.com/videoblogging@yahoogroups.com/index.html Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: other ways to view this group?
That's pretty cool Sull. Well, not for yahoo since they don't put anything in their RSS worth subscribing... but for video blogs and blogs in general that's awesome. Does it support ANY RSS feed?Evil grin. :)Hmmm I could really give your service and gmail a work out. I don't know if I dare though... hmm... all may favorite blogs int an item by item mail in the best search and filter tool online hmmI think I'm going to need another desktop email client as well :)Evil Grin.-MikeOn Jan 2, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: i use gmail as my rss aggregator as well ;-)if interested, vlogdir offers RSS subscription forwarding to email now.can even import/export your opml. also, several months ago, i setup [EMAIL PROTECTED] and subscribed it to the yahoo group but i cannot login now. the password must have been changed as well as the email address that was connected to it ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Does anyone know the login? I set it up to for the community but figured someone would hijack it eventually.sullOn 1/2/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I may make the suggestion... use gmail.It's got great threading... and if you want to use it with a popaccount (aka. a desktop mail application) like mail.app, outlook orthundirbird you can.Oh! In addition to the threading gmail has great filters. I use them for picking apart my mailing lists and highlighting threads onvarious subjects such as particular people, webservices, productmentions, etc. etc.Even if you're NOT using gmail as your primary mail account I find it works perfect for these sort of mailing lists to keep them seperatefrom your personal mail because these mailing lists can clog up amost peoples email and cause them to miss more important personal mail. Of course if you're just signing up it won't have all your history...and I don't in fact think their is a way to get your yahoo historyout of yahoo... but like I said it's really good at followingthreaded discussions and from the point you start using gmail forward you'll have a really good searchable archive.If anyone needs an account I think they're allowing open signups atgmail.com... if not I can email you one.-MikeMichael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuffhttp://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link bloghttp://evilvlog.com - Serious lunacy has a new domain.http://mefeedia.comOn Jan 2, 2006, at 11:37 AM, bottomunion wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , "jonny goldstein"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there are some other ways to browse this group that let one search more easily, etc. Can someone refresh my memory about where to go to do this? Thanks! I use this...http://www.mail-archive.com/videoblogging@yahoogroups.com/index.html Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born"- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
On Dec 23, 2005, at 9:51 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: i love how they have google ads on the site LOLHa! that is the final irony... Also... hot damn google's servers are fast... and that did actually play in fireANT mac, though the quality was horrid.I wonder how google will respond to this prying open of their media vault... will they respond by opening up to the idea of downloadable media or further discriminate against it taking moves to squash it.I'm thinking... given their history (i.e. google maps)... they might just open google video up... I really hope so... they do have to know since they're at least aware of archive.org, ourmedia, and vlogging that this fundamentally is incompatible with the direction things are leaning... but the question is will the economics allow them to be a free and open distributor?BTW, did google squash that hack to use gmail as private file storage?-MikeOn 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, this is also funny: http://dev2.traxio.net/projects/googlevideo/ Beats my Greasemonkey script... although the usability of this is a little confusing. You search something, then grab the URL of the video on Google Video and then paste it into the Video URL input. Could be more streamlined. -Josh On 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, and the sky is falling too! I'm no fan of Google Video either, but I can see why they do it. They want the experience to be "sticky" They want advertising impressions They want to track the advertising impressions They want to put ads in and around the videos They want to offer paid access for video viewing There's probably more, but that's just off the top of my head. It is what it is... -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT.AND that's just for starters... The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it.And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be "pretty"... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK!I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING!1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE.2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... "you know about half way in when you do that one thing"... great! Can you put them on you
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
On Dec 23, 2005, at 9:50 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I still think this FLV plugin for wordpress is nice: http://roel.meurders.nl/wordpress-plugins/wp-flv-video-player- plugin/ Haven't noticed anyone using it, though I've posted here about it a few times. I still suggest providing an alternative video format for syndication though. I'd be happier with FLV if it was easier to deal with that way. We're stil working on FLV playback for Windows FireAnt. But I don't often see it syndicated probably because of the issues I shared in a previous post. That's very cool for web UI as long as, as you say an alternate donnloadable format is used. I doubt I'll ever use it though. I didn't see anything about codec... so I assume you just have to export your video as an FLV or SWF and the codec doesn't matter so long as it's a standard macromedia one... but I assume Sorensen (sp?) is best... Does anyone know if QT or any editing software besides macromedia will export this. Oh, btw, on the flash player page it says YouTube uses the player though not the wordpress plugin I'm sure. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog and evilvlog.com -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep.. google video is not currently intended for true videobloggers. On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense taken ;-) now i'll read your latest brain dump. note: i dont like google video. note: i still see the potential of flv in our space. note: i would never encourage any vlogger to only use flv/swf... thats very poor decision. wont reiterate my past babble though ;-) On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT. AND that's just for starters... The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it. And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! 1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE. 2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
On Jan 3, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: You export an FLV to use this plugin. They recommend a free SWF video controller that dynamically loads the FLV (this is the same SWF controller that used to be used by YouTube... they've changed it since then). This is also the same technique we use to play FLV inside FireAnt by the way... we use a SWF controller that dynamically loads FLV content. Yeah that's the flv controller to which I was referring... very nice. I didn't know you used that IN FireANT... very cool... thanks for the info btw... I'll have to use more Flash stuff in FireANT. You can export FLV from Quicktime Pro (or iMovie/Final Cut) as long as you have the Quicktime FLV export component that comes with Flash MX 2004 Professional (which I got from my previous job a while back). So Flash MX comes with a quicktime component that does in the Quicktime components folder I assume... I'll have to reinstall Flash MX and check it out... sounds very useful. -Mike -Josh On 1/2/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 23, 2005, at 9:50 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I still think this FLV plugin for wordpress is nice: http://roel.meurders.nl/wordpress-plugins/wp-flv-video-player- plugin/ Haven't noticed anyone using it, though I've posted here about it a few times. I still suggest providing an alternative video format for syndication though. I'd be happier with FLV if it was easier to deal with that way. We're stil working on FLV playback for Windows FireAnt. But I don't often see it syndicated probably because of the issues I shared in a previous post. That's very cool for web UI as long as, as you say an alternate donnloadable format is used. I doubt I'll ever use it though. I didn't see anything about codec... so I assume you just have to export your video as an FLV or SWF and the codec doesn't matter so long as it's a standard macromedia one... but I assume Sorensen (sp?) is best... Does anyone know if QT or any editing software besides macromedia will export this. Oh, btw, on the flash player page it says YouTube uses the player though not the wordpress plugin I'm sure. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog and evilvlog.com -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep.. google video is not currently intended for true videobloggers. On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense taken ;-) now i'll read your latest brain dump. note: i dont like google video. note: i still see the potential of flv in our space. note: i would never encourage any vlogger to only use flv/swf... thats very poor decision. wont reiterate my past babble though ;-) On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT. AND that's just for starters... The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it. And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do
Re: [videoblogging] AMSTERDAM CALLING...
Like your sig testimonial steve. :) The this of the that is a big trend these days... I haven't heard of a single movie or business plan or anything of anything that wasn't the something of the something. It's my aim to be the disinfopedia of video blogging, without all the info! :) But I'd settle for being the flickr of video blogging, with out all that web 2.0 hype! Peace, -Mike On Dec 31, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Steve Garfield wrote: Hi Michael, Welcome to the vlogosphere! I really enjoyed taking that bike ride through Amsterdam with you. Thanks for the shout out! I would have left this comment on your new vlog, but the comments link doesn't work for me. Subscribed. On Dec 31, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Michael wrote: Please check out my new vlog. www.macdocman.com V=for Vlogging! --Steve ( Acda en de Munnik's #1 US fan) -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com The Instapundit of vlogging, without the right-wing politics! - Chuck Olsen Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video Revisited
On Dec 27, 2005, at 8:17 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: Hi Michael, You just found someone. I agree with Andreas. Here's my distinction between video blogging and video podcasting. Let's see if I can get at least one person to agree with me. Andreas? RSS feeds that don't have an accessible Video blog, where you can watch a video, are not video blogs, they are just video podcasts. You know... I actually agree with you... but it's compeltely besides the point. Because I think it's argumentative... and what's more the other 9.9% of the planet will have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about... including 90% of the people in this group unless you explain it to them every time... and probably 5% of the final 10% in this group will disagree... But I agree with you... it's a great thing to talk about if that's your intention... if however your intention is to discuss the merits of such a system as having only a video feed... however... we're failing miserably. :) I'm starting to see web pages that have NO VIDEO on them. They aren't even blogs. Just static web pages. These pages require you to subscribe via iTunes to watch the videos. No blog there. So it's not a videoblog, just a videopodcast. Absolutely. I'm seeing the same thing too... I'm also seeing some that do have a corresponging web blog... but the thing I find most disturbing about this is that they have created their feeds ONLY for itunes and have submited it NOWHERE else. What I've been doing... is... since I'm using mefeedia to manage my ipod compatible subscriptions is I went into itunes podcast directory... did a search for video and then started sifting through just the feeds I found interesting. I found that the majority of just the ones I was curious about aren't even in mefeedia or anywhere outside of iTunes... some don't have a link to their RSS feed even on their site they just say 'subscribe with itunes' and have a cryptic itunes url... some like the Washington Post seem to have absolutely no web page or presence anywhere outside iTuens... I couldn't even find a mention on the entire Washington Post website... BUT I'm always able to get info on the feed after I subscribe to it and view the url... I then type it into the add a new feed input on mefeedia and add it to my subscription queue... they all work in mefeedia... and what's more by my adding them to mefeedia more people can discover them there and because mefeedia shares new feeds with other services through an open XML data exchange. It's a curious thing iTunes has done... they've introduced people to vlogging who have no idea whatsoever what vlogging is about... they just want their videos in iTunes. Blarg... funny as hell. Peace and good night, Mike On Dec 26, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Michael Meiser wrote: As for trying to separate vlogging from video podcasting... absurd... no two people would ever agree to some distinction or even that they are different. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com The Instapundit of vlogging, without the right-wing politics! - Chuck Olsen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited
and make a choice as to wether to follow that action along some other predefined link or memory link (i.e. requesting a search for a related thought that popped into my head) or continue with the video. This completely independent of the physical constraints of the device where the video was playing. The problem is our communications systems are still a bit fragmented... there is still a difference between a computer with web access... a TV... and a phone... but those lines are obviously beginning to blur now... these devices will become part of a seamless communications space in the future... I needn't mention VOIP... but I will also point out that now computer flat-screens are coming with composite video... and TV flat-screens are coming with standard computer monitor inputs... the main difference is resolution now... a 27 TV might sell for $900 and have go 1300 pixels wide... a flat- screen monitor from dell might have an 1800 pixel resolution and top out at 24... and they sell for about $1100. The lines are blurring quickly between are communications systems... another radical change is of course the video ipod... taking personal video with you into the world as simply as we take personal audio... how will personal video players work out in the real world... I have no idea... but I know that when the first sony walkman arrive no one had any clue how cool that would be... nor did they have much to put on it. All in all this is about the very interesting impact the ubiquity of media will have on communications. What's important is that I'm not saying this method is better... I'm saying this method is new and interesting and fun... and provides if nothing else... the opportunity for new insights into how we interact with vlogs... and possibly some insight into how we'll interact with media in the future though it is possible to be really really off. We are after all just peaking through keyholes. P.S. Let's not forget about the whole other side of this... the cemeras and the input systems... I often do because I admitedly do not make and post enough (ahem, any) of my own home made videos... really silly of me actually. :) Peace, -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link blog http://evilvlog.com - Serious lunacy has a new domain. http://mefeedia.com -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com Determine Media - Andreas -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited
your cell phone and pop your bluetooth headset in your ear and right there is a list of all sorts of audio podcasts and video podcasts from all your favorite friends in the vlogosphere that your subscribed to and so you just scroll through them scanning around... the latest are at the top...it's like your email inbox but for media too... you just skim it... pick out a nice clip from your brother labeled jen's birthday and you pop it open and smile a good smile before heading back to work. The point is I dug your vision enric... but perhaps the media is not tied to the devices... it flows ubiquitously between them... to arive at the proper place and time... the network doesn't need to be always on... things don't always need to cache.. nor does 100% of the finding, choosing and decision need to be made on demand... we set up a space where kismet can happen... or perhaps that's not the term... but happy coincidences... I think one of the primary retard ideas right now is that people will a) find and watch cool videos on their cell phone... or b) they'll find cool vlogs on their Tivo (perhaps that was never the plan)... you might even say c) that they'll come into a vlog directory or podcast directory and find what they're looking for... Part of what makes open media great is that it finds us... out there in the day to day when we're doing whatever it is we do all day... what we need are mechanisms for harvesting those little aha moments and sparks of ideas and intuitions and impulsively organizing them right into our calendar book... (Those sparks of ideas and intuitions being elements of media.) So that when we need them or have the time and space for them there there to be meet us. With that impulsive and fluid of a market money will likely flow... because it sure beats creating a todo list and heading down to the old store/rental or getting the pretty disks in the mail in three days... not to mention it's much more personal media... not just blockbusters... So... oh... retarded. Retarded = trying to build a better cell phone for finding videos... let the damn cell phone be the stupid dummy terminal it was meant to be... open it up to not just your premium content but allow services to filter content... to flow naturally to the device from the web as people see fit. Cell phone carriers are not the next mig media network they think they are... they are in fact the next big little media market that they never thought there was. We make way more sense on cell phones than big media ever did. Anyway they're just future scenarios... probably have gaping holes... which is why it's so fun to share them... please poke holes in them and make your own fine swiss cheese. -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link blog http://evilvlog.com - Serious lunacy has a new domain. http://mefeedia.com - I love mefeedia! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/24/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think Tivo is Television. Classical television cannot not be automaticaly stored, retrieved, scanned and viewed out of order (this can be manually performmed with programming recorders -- but just about anything can be put into a manual process.) So I think this is an intermediate medium to Blogging. I'd call it a Tivo medium with the iPod containing similar capacity. It lacks the full two way interaction of Blogs, but contains the automatic storage, scanning and retrieval capability. Actually... I've found that playing back video blogs on the TV can be quite the two way experience. Now, I'm using my iPod, BUT I suppose a Tivo might work just as well. What makes it work is having a parrellel queue... a landing page where by you can follow along as you wish. Also a remote for your ipod or tivo comes in handy, of course for skipping, pausing, restarting or rewinding. Here's an example workflow we set up with mefeedia... First mefeedia automatically creates for you a web based browseable queue as it has from the start... but now it also provides for you a single personal RSS feed that directly parrallels that queue. The RSS feed hence goes to your Fireant, iTunes/ipod or perhaps in the future tivo or Akimbo as they start to better support vlogs... Basically you can instantly pull up your watch page on your laptop and jump to any post your watching on TV. Since the order of video playback and videos in your queue roughly correspond it's easy to follow along.. That said... I don't normally follow along for EVERY vlog post... In fact I mostly passively watch video... then when something catches my interest I jump to my queue and follow up on it by tagging it, favoriting it for future reference or commenting... of course there are other options like re-vlogging, but you get the idea. Case in point
Re: [videoblogging] What battle are we fighting?
On Dec 24, 2005, at 9:59 PM, Eric Rice wrote: I'm only part of the way through this thread, but I figure I'd weigh in on Mike's comment with a short thought: What battle are we fighting? 1. Getting everyday people to make and publish their own media? 2. Debating semantic details of technology that is inevitably going to evolve over time? I didn't see any semantic details... a whole lot of technical issues and big issues of interoperability... but no semantic issues... unless maybe you want to start talking how open is open enough... but that's not semantics. Google video needs to do a 180 before it can be useful to vloggers... and maybe if we raise enough hell... or maybe completely on it's own having nothing to do with us it'll do a 180 anyway... google has been know to roll out some very alpha looking betas... but by the time they roll it into the main website they've pretty much figured out its pecking order. Video is a rough nut to crack... but their way of doing it is NOT it... video needs to be cracked socially... by blogging it and tagging it, and commenting on it and refernecing it and well all that good jazz... and none of that's going to happen if it's locked in a page as protected flash app. :) But yeah... point one... maybe that's enought addressing of the issue... it's not like to many people were going to fall into googles media trap on their way to vlogging or sharing videos... it's not very good. So we should all get back to making cool media or media services... break it up nothing to see here... go back about your business. :) -Mike I'm just sayin'. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser groups-yahoo- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT. AND that's just for starters... The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it. And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! 1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE. 2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when you do that one thing... great! Can you put
Re: [videoblogging] College Videobloggers?
You know, The vimeo guys are also the guys behind college humor... so I'm guessing college age students are a huge part of their rather large demographic... They must have 2000 video feeds on vimeo... though not all of them are that active... I'm guessing they may just not be using mefeedia... and well to be honest... people may just not find college to be to interesting a tag. On a side not what happened to the feature to type in a tag description? -Mike On Dec 29, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Devlon wrote: I was checking out some tags at mefeedia and noticed there aren't many clips tagged with 'college' (http://mefeedia.com/tags/college/) Surely there must be more college students videoblogging that what showed up. Do we have any videobloggers that are college students or are videoblogging about college life, etc? -- ~Devlon Blog: http://devlond.blogspot.com/ Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com/ -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog/ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video Revisited
deo blog that has no enclosures or a video blog with no subscribable video feed... Call it a "wannabe video blog" if you like... or a poser... but please, please don't call it a videobloggiomasterbation unless of course you're trying to be funny. :) I may even agree with you that it's not a video podcast and just a video blog... but if that really isn't the point of the conversation to 'define' so much as to "discuss the merits of" then why bother bringing it up?As Steve pointed out, some do the opposite. Some dont have the blog but use software that generates the RSS feed with enclosures... This is the vodcast/podcast with a missing blog. This is a different approach but instances of this are becoming more common. They will have a regular web page and associate their 'Channel' with it. It makes sense for some projects and businesses.Yeap... Check out the Washington Post's video podcast. :)So, i dont agree that 'vlog' should encompass all of these scenarios... instead you should look at terms suuch as "Internet Video" or "Internet TV" or even "IPTV" for that job. Not 'vlog'. It's clear as day to me.It's not clear as day to the other 99.% of the world who won't know what in the world your talking about unless your explain right along with your usage just what distinctions your making by using the term. So why not call these things "only a video feed..." Calling it a "video podcast" is as about as arbitrary as me making the distinction that something is only a video podcast if it plays on your ipod... or the next guy claiming it's a video podcast only if it works in itunes... or the next guy claiming it's only a video podcast if it has apples RSS specification markup in it. Me... I could care less what you call it... call it a potato... what I care is how just how effective is it? what are the merits of just having and RSS feed with video and no website?Peace, - Mikesull On 12/27/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Michael,You just found someone. I agree with Andreas. Here's my distinction between video blogging and video podcasting.Let's see if I can get at least one person to agree with me. Andreas?RSS feeds that don't have an accessible Video blog, where you can watch a video, are not video blogs, they are just video podcasts.I'm starting to see web pages that have NO VIDEO on them. They aren'teven blogs. Just static web pages. These pages require you tosubscribe via iTunes to watch the videos. No blog there. So it's not a videoblog, just a videopodcast.On Dec 26, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Michael Meiser wrote: As for trying to separate vlogging from video podcasting... absurd... no two people would ever agree to some distinction or even that they are different.--Steve--Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com"The Instapundit of vlogging, without the right-wing politics!" - ChuckOlsen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video Revisited
On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: First things first: Michael Sullivan said what I wanted to say, 100%. Steve, the only ammendment to what you wrote below is that the reciever has a lot more to say in digital media than in traditional media. Thus while you create a videoblog - a good example of one, actually - your readers can transform that into what I label a video podcast (vodcast to Sullivan; just VOD if you want to be simple). Andreas I completely agree with everything you say and find it extremely interesting... but if I don't keep pointing out the absurdity of this VOD/podcast/vodcast laebling system I'm sure someone else will... it's a damn video feed only with no blog... while you give three diferrent labels I still feel noone is following you but myself and a few others because you do not explain what this label means. You're becoming intellectually exclusive. What's more it's for no reason at all as perfectly fine language exists. :) Nothing personal I figure it was my turn to play the devil's advocate... I've been taking it easy for far too long. This is the last time I bring it up... for a while anyway... from now on I'll sit back as I have been and watch others attack the labels and the conversation break down into argument over and over and over about just what these labels mean... meanwhile more people will be alienated or hurt and no little progress will be made on what is actually good fine debate about the different merits of blogging mechanisms. Peace... - Mike It takes two sides to make a medium. Previously the reciever could just recieve. A tv program would always be a tv program because no one on the recieving end could change anything. With digital media the reciever can change the medium because they have a larger degree of control. For example any reader can take your videoblog and transform it into a vodcast. They can take the video file out of it's blog and move it to a tv or an iPod. In that reading situation your videoblog is no longer a videoblog, but a vodcast. Of course it's not a 1:1 transformation. The content changes (and the reception changes) - they are different media after all. My simple point in all this has been that there exist two different media: videoblog and vodcast. And content which works well in one medium might not work well after being transformed into the other. My initial thesis is that traditional tv content works really well in vodcasting - and thus creators can learn a whole lot from tv production - while videoblogging is not suited for traditional tv content and requires new ways of writing and reading. It's not something I've dug deep into as my focus has always been on videoblogging and not differences between videoblogging and vodcasting. - Andreas On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:17:13 +0100, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael, You just found someone. I agree with Andreas. Here's my distinction between video blogging and video podcasting. Let's see if I can get at least one person to agree with me. Andreas? RSS feeds that don't have an accessible Video blog, where you can watch a video, are not video blogs, they are just video podcasts. I'm starting to see web pages that have NO VIDEO on them. They aren't even blogs. Just static web pages. These pages require you to subscribe via iTunes to watch the videos. No blog there. So it's not a videoblog, just a videopodcast. On Dec 26, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Michael Meiser wrote: As for trying to separate vlogging from video podcasting... absurd... no two people would ever agree to some distinction or even that they are different. --Steve -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited
On Dec 29, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Enric wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: First things first: Michael Sullivan said what I wanted to say, 100%. Steve, the only ammendment to what you wrote below is that the reciever has a lot more to say in digital media than in traditional media. Thus while you create a videoblog - a good example of one, actually - your readers can transform that into what I label a video podcast (vodcast to Sullivan; just VOD if you want to be simple). Andreas I completely agree with everything you say and find it extremely interesting... but if I don't keep pointing out the absurdity of this VOD/podcast/vodcast laebling system I'm sure someone else will... it's a damn video feed only with no blog... while you give three diferrent labels I still feel noone is following you but myself and a few others because you do not explain what this label means. You're becoming intellectually exclusive. What's more it's for no reason at all as perfectly fine language exists. :) Nothing personal I figure it was my turn to play the devil's advocate... I've been taking it easy for far too long. This is the last time I bring it up... for a while anyway... from now on I'll sit back as I have been and watch others attack the labels and the conversation break down into argument over and over and over about just what these labels mean... meanwhile more people will be alienated or hurt and no little progress will be made on what is actually good fine debate about the different merits of blogging mechanisms. Peace... - Mike Labels, schmabels...make some tech...make some tools. ;) Happy twothousandandsix! That's the spirt... there are two kinds of people in the world... those who make the tools to make cool shit possible... and those that make the cool shit... I call them coolio's and coolie's. Enric, I'll help make the tools if you make the cool videos... that's all I care about. Happy twothousandandsix to everyone! -Mike It takes two sides to make a medium. Previously the reciever could just recieve. A tv program would always be a tv program because no one on the recieving end could change anything. With digital media the reciever can change the medium because they have a larger degree of control. For example any reader can take your videoblog and transform it into a vodcast. They can take the video file out of it's blog and move it to a tv or an iPod. In that reading situation your videoblog is no longer a videoblog, but a vodcast. Of course it's not a 1:1 transformation. The content changes (and the reception changes) - they are different media after all. My simple point in all this has been that there exist two different media: videoblog and vodcast. And content which works well in one medium might not work well after being transformed into the other. My initial thesis is that traditional tv content works really well in vodcasting - and thus creators can learn a whole lot from tv production - while videoblogging is not suited for traditional tv content and requires new ways of writing and reading. It's not something I've dug deep into as my focus has always been on videoblogging and not differences between videoblogging and vodcasting. - Andreas On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:17:13 +0100, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael, You just found someone. I agree with Andreas. Here's my distinction between video blogging and video podcasting. Let's see if I can get at least one person to agree with me. Andreas? RSS feeds that don't have an accessible Video blog, where you can watch a video, are not video blogs, they are just video podcasts. I'm starting to see web pages that have NO VIDEO on them. They aren't even blogs. Just static web pages. These pages require you to subscribe via iTunes to watch the videos. No blog there. So it's not a videoblog, just a videopodcast. On Dec 26, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Michael Meiser wrote: As for trying to separate vlogging from video podcasting... absurd... no two people would ever agree to some distinction or even that they are different. --Steve -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
Re: [videoblogging] College Videobloggers?
On Dec 29, 2005, at 6:43 PM, Devlon wrote: On 12/29/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a side not what happened to the feature to type in a tag description?What do you mean Mike? I see the 'What is tag name' link on tag pages..that 's what you would click on to write a description. For everyone else, (not sure if you knew) you can now edit/add a tag's description at Mefeedia. Try it out...it's addictive :) Umm... sorry.. that was completely stupid of me... I realize i just wasn't logged in. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Slashdot on videoblogging again
Nothing like some good fodder for some good rants. http://www.evilvlog.com/?p=751 Everyone... let's have some fun... vlog your rant, blog it... screen cast it... whatever you like. It's all meaningless anyway... right? Why hold back? Peace, Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link blog http://evilvlog.com - Serious lunacy has a new domain. http://mefeedia.com - I love mefeedia! http://getfireant.com - I love FireANT! http://blip.tv - I love Blip.tv! I love vlogging! Really, I do! On Dec 28, 2005, at 4:20 PM, Jay dedman wrote: Slashdot on videoblogs a little over a year ago: http://www.human-dog.com/lab/?p=57 i remember when Weagal made this video. Slashdot had just torn videoblogging a new asshole, and we(as always) were incredibly sensitive to it. no one likes to hear that what they do is stupid. Chris foight back with this one. classic. jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://getFireAnt.com http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] MP4... driving me nuts.
SO... Tiger woods is driving around Ireland in a rented Audi on his way to the Irish Open and he stops in this little old gas station that just so happens to be full service. This little old Irish guy comes out and asks what he can do for Tiger... that's a fine german automobile he says after Tiger asks him to fill it up and inquires about a bathroom... when he comes back out the the attendant says to tiger... I couldn't help but notice those two little golden things sitting on the center console. What are those fer? Tiger looks in and he say... Oh! Those are my just my tees! There for putting my balls on when I drive. with that the attendant says... Those damn German engineers, they think of everything! Har! Har! Sorry, I couldn't resist... there's a half dozen more jokes with that punch line. They're all old, but they're classics. A it's driving me nuts. I can't remember the joke to that one, just the punch line. :) I figured this was the only way I could help you be less annoyed at the mp4 standards on the PSP and iPod video... I have this iSquint thing... but it's mac only and still in beta... I think it only works in 10.4 because it keeps throwing me applescript errors. For my own videos I'd just use Quicktime Pro. It's actually pretty damn good. Peace, -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link blog http://evilvlog.com - Serious lunacy has a new domain. http://mefeedia.com - I love mefeedia! http://getfireant.com - I love FireANT! http://blip.tv - I love Blip.tv! I love vlogging! Really, I do! On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:36 PM, Edmund Yeo wrote: So yeah, I went off to download some free compressors at download.com, but apparently, most of them pretty much sucked (well, I downloaded two, one was only for audio files, the other can't convert MPEG2 files). Words can't describe my sheer annoyance. Maybe I should get myself Avid Xpress Pro. Edmund Yeo http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Edmund Yeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi edmund, I use quicktime pro 7, but there are also free compressors/converters at download.com, maybe you could do a little hunting about before you pay $30 or £20 for the privilage of using quicktime pro. Paul Yeap, I'm downloading some free compressors now. Hope they work well enough. $30 is way TOO steep for me. (After conversion, it's 110+ Malaysian ringgit) Edmund http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video Revisited
Deidre, there's all sorts of ways one might link be viewing your videos outside of a software based aggregator even if they're not visual links in the page. To start with Mefeedia will make those visible... but far more importantly... if you are using feedburner... all the mRSS information would be handed off to Yahoo video search... I get crazy amounts of traffic from yahoo video search. It makes no difference wether the video is simply a hidden enclusure or a visible link to such intermediaries.-MikeOn Dec 24, 2005, at 11:41 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: Representative or not, the actual statistics may tell us something. I have one video (so far) that is available in the three formats under discussion:M4V - viewed in iTunes, but also by some feed readers/aggregators. SWF - viewable in some feed readers/aggregators.NB: For this particular video (carols), neither the the M4V nor the SWF is linked from anywhere on the site except my RSS feed, so presumably all views of these are coming through readers of some sort. And FeedBurner doesn't nearly cover this number, because many people are subscribed directly to my original feed on my site (trying to shift everything to FeedBurner, that will take time). Which video is picked up by which aggregator and why is a mystery to me. FireANT shows both, some show one or the other randomly for no reason that I can figure out.FLV - viewable (as far as I understand) only on the web page http://beginningwithi.com/vlog/051204.html where the player is also available. I ran an Analog report from Dec 9th (when these files were posted) to today. Here are the rsesults: 225 8.49% 24/Dec/05 00:27 /video/carols.m4v127 24/Dec/05 00:03 http://www.beginningwithi.com/video/carols.m4v (I have two domain names right now) -352 total m4vs155 7.46% 23/Dec/05 19:45 /video/carols.flv28 1.35% 23/Dec/05 05:25 /video/carols.swfSo, Josh is right: FLV is viewed on the page more than SWFs are downloaded/viewed in aggregators. But M4V whips the pants off both. I would really LOVE for Apple to be giving us all some stats from iTunes... It is worth noting that, over this same period, 3679 SWFs in total were viewed, one way or another, vs 1209 views of other types of video on my site (M4V, MOV, MP4, and WMV). I will have to look more closely at the details to see how significant this is, however, as about half of my videos only exist in SWF (I started doing M4Vs in October, and use WMVs only for special purposes which require high quality). Michael, I don't think I qualify as an A-list blogger, but thanks for the compliment of saying so!-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video Revisited
I'mm apparently missing half the conversation but... what the heck is FireANT's traffic rpresentative to in comparison to iTunes... and next too google... really all of us are insignificant... But google would never say... what's the significance of my tiny little site ... when someone does a search for "michael meiser" I'm more than significant enough, in fact I'm the omnipitent mast of my domain bitches. :)This is like rocketboom pissing on other vlogs, not that they have... in the big picture the difference between a rocketboom and a Dierdre Straighan isn't really a difference at all.. their both pretty long tail. What's important is in aggregate we're begining to be one significant as mother fucking aspect of media much like open source software and the blogs that have come before us.So, this sounds like an a-list blogger pissing contest. BTW, on a related note Crooks and Liars trounced Rocketboom in the webbys. I don't know if you follow Crooks and Liars, but if you do you should ask yourself what's significant. Rocketboom is representative of me... Dierdre's website is representitive of me and that's all I give a crap about. It's the first visitor that matters and that's me.http://tinyurl.com/d9s56original url.http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?range=2ysize=largecompare_sites=rocketboom.comy=rurl="">On Dec 24, 2005, at 4:28 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: On 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of sounding like a jerk, do you really think your sitegets enough traffic to provide a representative sample of anything?Uh, yeah, that did sound pretty jerky. A small sample is nonetheless a sample, especially when it can be compared to itself via relative number of downloads of different formats of the same video. Perhaps my sample of viewers is MORE representative of the general Internet population since my viewers are mostly NOT videobloggers but "ordinary folks" looking for material about specific topics (Italy, mostly), rather than searching within the general category "videoblogs". Videobloggers tend to have every possible video codec installed already; my viewers probably don't. So the fact that they seem to be successfully viewing Flash on my site does seem to me to have some useful meaning to the folks who ask about Flash in this group. As for viewership, we are all (even Rocketboom) way out on the long tail, so I don't see a lot of point in playing "My Feedburner's bigger than yours." My audience is small but growing, and I'm having fun with it - that's good enough for me. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Video blogging has it's first telemarketing evangelist!
So far as I can tell this is the real deal. NOT a spoof. It's our first real live get rich quick pyramid scheme.. Ironically you order your howto video packages for $ 97 - $250 via snail mail. He'll teach you how to make money video blogging in 30 minutes! WOW! What a steal! Less really is more! Perhaps I should come out with a video to tech you how to vlog in 15 minutes, I bet I could get $300 for that! http://vblogsecrets.com/ The guy is a pro, what can I say. Michael Sullivan discovered it because of this snazy introduction to mefeedia. http://websrvr81il.audiovideoweb.com/il81web25038/Promo/300final.html Apparently mefeedia is the superstar of this televangelists world. Also mentioned are VIllage Girl, Rocketboom and several more vlogs. The enthusiasm is infectious. I included some of the copy below for your pleasure. I don't think we at evilvlog could have even pulled off this elaborate, nor funny a ruse. :) -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link blog http://evilvlog.com - serious lunacy has a new domain http://mefeedia.com - I love mefeedia from: http://vblogsecrets.com/ Dear Friend, At the top of this page is a picture of the new video iPod. You’ve seen the ads on TV. You may already own one. Like it or not, this little device is rapidly changing many facets of the wired world. I’m not one to jump on the latest fad. But when I saw what’s coming down the pike, my honest reaction was OH, MY GOSH! Whew! The door is now WIDE OPEN for YOU to profit from people downloading video blogs (called vblogs or vlogs for short) and watching them on their PSP's, cell phones, PDA's, laptops and especially their video IPODS. It's about people getting to consume videos at the time they want, in the way they want, on the device they want. Think about this: Video on IPODS. Video on PDA's. Video on cell phones. Video on PSP's. And add to that digital cameras that take video. Cell phones that shoot video and actually upload it to blogs via email! Can you say WOW? I think you'll agree, this IS a MAJOR trend. It isn't goin' away anytime soon because the revolution has JUST BEGUN. But I'm getting way ahead of myself because I'm so jazzed. We are moving from a text-based world to a video-based world. For someone born in 1958 like me, that's a mind bender. First it was TV. Then it was video games. But now there aren't just one or two trends. There are SIXTEEN of them in total. Click here to read about each one. It's SIMPLE, EASY and FUN to PROFIT from Video Blogging! There are no excuses left. Every single barrier has been demolished, including: 1. The barrier of expensive video hosting -- now it's FREE! 2. The barrier of expensive software -- now conversion is done free online using simple and easy software. 3. The barrier of herky jerky video -- this has been solved by broadband proliferation and new video formats. 4. The barrier of expensive cameras -- now the quality from cheap video cameras will blow your mind In my product on video blogging secrets revealed, we show video footage from all different price ranges of cameras. What you can do with cheap cameras and even video taken by your digital camera will boggle your mind! 5. The barrier of long buffering and load times -- not a problem any more. How Do You Profit from VBlogging? I've spent all this time just to build the case for all the things that are converging to make up a BIG opportunity. But what does this have to do with YOU selling more stuff, marketing niche sites, getting more AdSense revenue and so forth? What's the bottom line? There are 7 ways you can profit potentially (always potentially, as you know.there are no guarantees other than my money-back one, of course) from video blogging: continues at: http://vblogsecrets.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video Revisited
My only problem is you can't vlog it because of the flash wrapper. I even tried vlogging the flash wrapper. Doesn't work. I thought I heard something about a greasmonkey script or plugin for uncovering the permalink directly to the video so you can vlog it. But I never followed up on it and seem to have misplaced the reference. -Mike On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:19 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: Has anyone been keeping up with Google Video? I'm starting to think that it may be a good solution for people who are just starting out or want to incorporate video into their site with links, kinda like people use flickr (an off-site compilation). I just gave it a shot this week. If you have a gmail account, you just login and upload a video. It's pretty much that easy. They have assured me up and down and I have it in writing that they can not own it or do anything if I decide to take the video down one day. The worst part is the verification process which takes at least a day or more. The bit rate is not great though again, from the perspective of making it easy for people to experiment with getting their videos online, in an easy way which may help as a stepping stone to a more dedicated and integrated way of doing it, it seems to be pretty good, for free. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
