app trials before you buy

2013-07-04 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Hi. I figured I'd start a new thread since this concerns the ability or 
inability of app developers to offer trials for their apps. It's not 
specific to the Sendero Seeing Eye app, although those discussions were 
the catalyst for this message.


I've seen some people ask why the Sendero app can't offer a short trial, 
1 day, 1 week, 30 days, ETC. Some have answered that it's an Apple 
restrictions, while others have said it's up to the developer. Let me 
say that I am not a developer or an Apple employee. So, what I say is 
purely based on my own personal experience.


I think that if Sendero wanted to offer a trial for a short time, they 
could do it. Note that I'm speaking of the technical ability, not a 
business decision, or the taking into account of overhead. The reason 
for this is because if you download an app from the app store and let's 
say the app itself is free, you are then presented with options of a 
subscription. This could be a monthly subscription, a yearly one, or a 
daily one. So, I believe that as long as your app is obtainable and you 
have written it in such a way that you can offer these in-app purchases, 
then you are good to go. I do not know what all is involved with paying 
Apple for this type of subscription, or if this is a way that some 
developers get around Apple's restrictions. I'll give some examples below.


1. Book apps. Apps like Nook and Audible don't have actual in-app 
purchase capabilities, but if you buy your book on their own site, the 
app downloads the book and you can read. If Sendero did something 
similar, you could get the free app like you do now, then you would 
purchase your subscription from Sendero's web site itself. This way 
Sendero would have total control over what kind of subscription might be 
offered. This doesn't seem like the best solution because when you buy a 
book, you download and it's yours to read as many times as you can, the 
book doesn't actually expire and go back to the site.


2. Phone apps. An app like Talkatone is free with ads. If you want to 
get rid of ads, you can do so by in-app purchases. Guess what though, 
the ads don't go away forever. No sir they don't. You purchase no ads 
for a monthly subscription or a yearly subscription. This also gives you 
higher quality calls and this way the company has control over what they 
offer you and for how long. If Sender did something like this, and I 
imagine they are, then they control for how long your device and/or 
Apple ID have access to the products the app offers. 1, day, 1 week, 1 
month, 1 year, 3 years, ETC.


3. Separate app purchases. This is a bit older now and not as widely 
used from what I know. This is where you purchase a lite or crippled 
version of the app which is separate than the actual paid version. So, 
you might get a free app with ads, and then if you want the non-ad 
version, or the non-crippled version, you purchase a separate app which 
actually costs you money at the app store. I can see why things like 
this are going away. It makes it so the developer has to maintain more 
than one app, and it also fixes the price with the app store when you 
purchase the paid app. If Sendero did this, the free version might be 
good for some, but then they would have to have 2 other separate apps, 
one for the year and one for the 3 year. It's also possible that 
technically this is hard to maintain or keep track of.


So after all this, it seems that my option 2 is the way they are going. 
Like I said, I don't know the business model, or the costs of overhead 
in offering a short trial for purchase, but if they could do that, 
perhaps some people who are on the fence on whether to get this or not, 
might slide in the right direction.


I know I said this could apply to many different kinds of apps and ended 
up talking about Sendero specifically, but this same reasoning applies 
to many other apps and services. Dice World is one such app. It's free 
and you then can purchase no-ads or custom dice as in-app purchases.


So, I hope this helps some of you when thinking about why the Sendero 
app offers or doesn't offer a demo. I'm not on the GPS list, but if 
someone wants to forward this to them, they are more than welcome. I 
know many of the Sendero folks there, and have a lot of respect for them.


Cheers.

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Re: app trials before you buy

2013-07-04 Thread Les Kriegler
Hi Raul,

I think you are right on this one.  Sendero reps certainly are aware of the 
request for a trial and I have seen nothing on the beta list I'm on suggesting 
that it cannot occur.  People may have to vote on this as they plan to offer an 
upgrade with three enhancements/features.  If this is the way they plan to 
proceed and they come out with a feature list as I suspect they will, I'll bet 
a trial version will be one of the features requested.  This is speculation on 
my part, but I'm guessing they will do a one month trial for somewhere between 
$5 and $8, but of course, that could all change.

Les
On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:22 AM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote:

 Hi. I figured I'd start a new thread since this concerns the ability or 
 inability of app developers to offer trials for their apps. It's not specific 
 to the Sendero Seeing Eye app, although those discussions were the catalyst 
 for this message.
 
 I've seen some people ask why the Sendero app can't offer a short trial, 1 
 day, 1 week, 30 days, ETC. Some have answered that it's an Apple 
 restrictions, while others have said it's up to the developer. Let me say 
 that I am not a developer or an Apple employee. So, what I say is purely 
 based on my own personal experience.
 
 I think that if Sendero wanted to offer a trial for a short time, they could 
 do it. Note that I'm speaking of the technical ability, not a business 
 decision, or the taking into account of overhead. The reason for this is 
 because if you download an app from the app store and let's say the app 
 itself is free, you are then presented with options of a subscription. This 
 could be a monthly subscription, a yearly one, or a daily one. So, I believe 
 that as long as your app is obtainable and you have written it in such a way 
 that you can offer these in-app purchases, then you are good to go. I do not 
 know what all is involved with paying Apple for this type of subscription, or 
 if this is a way that some developers get around Apple's restrictions. I'll 
 give some examples below.
 
 1. Book apps. Apps like Nook and Audible don't have actual in-app purchase 
 capabilities, but if you buy your book on their own site, the app downloads 
 the book and you can read. If Sendero did something similar, you could get 
 the free app like you do now, then you would purchase your subscription from 
 Sendero's web site itself. This way Sendero would have total control over 
 what kind of subscription might be offered. This doesn't seem like the best 
 solution because when you buy a book, you download and it's yours to read as 
 many times as you can, the book doesn't actually expire and go back to the 
 site.
 
 2. Phone apps. An app like Talkatone is free with ads. If you want to get rid 
 of ads, you can do so by in-app purchases. Guess what though, the ads don't 
 go away forever. No sir they don't. You purchase no ads for a monthly 
 subscription or a yearly subscription. This also gives you higher quality 
 calls and this way the company has control over what they offer you and for 
 how long. If Sender did something like this, and I imagine they are, then 
 they control for how long your device and/or Apple ID have access to the 
 products the app offers. 1, day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 3 years, ETC.
 
 3. Separate app purchases. This is a bit older now and not as widely used 
 from what I know. This is where you purchase a lite or crippled version of 
 the app which is separate than the actual paid version. So, you might get a 
 free app with ads, and then if you want the non-ad version, or the 
 non-crippled version, you purchase a separate app which actually costs you 
 money at the app store. I can see why things like this are going away. It 
 makes it so the developer has to maintain more than one app, and it also 
 fixes the price with the app store when you purchase the paid app. If Sendero 
 did this, the free version might be good for some, but then they would have 
 to have 2 other separate apps, one for the year and one for the 3 year. It's 
 also possible that technically this is hard to maintain or keep track of.
 
 So after all this, it seems that my option 2 is the way they are going. Like 
 I said, I don't know the business model, or the costs of overhead in offering 
 a short trial for purchase, but if they could do that, perhaps some people 
 who are on the fence on whether to get this or not, might slide in the right 
 direction.
 
 I know I said this could apply to many different kinds of apps and ended up 
 talking about Sendero specifically, but this same reasoning applies to many 
 other apps and services. Dice World is one such app. It's free and you then 
 can purchase no-ads or custom dice as in-app purchases.
 
 So, I hope this helps some of you when thinking about why the Sendero app 
 offers or doesn't offer a demo. I'm not on the GPS list, but if someone wants 
 to forward this to them, they are more than welcome. 

Re: mousekick help please

2013-07-04 Thread Jan Blüher, visorApps
Hallo Zoe,

okay, then the orientation is not the problem. On which device do you play 
MouseKick?

If the three-finger swipe to the left doesn't work at all, there is a 
workaround to leave the training mode: There is, indeed, a back button on the 
screen in the lower left corner of the screen. However, you cannot reach it 
with VoiceOver, since I want to save a blind user from accidentally hitting it. 
The finger swipe should provide the same functionality. If you turn VoiceOver 
off, you can tap the button and leave the training mode. The same button also 
appears in a real game.

However, we have to find out, why the swipe gesture doesn't work, since this is 
the preferred way to quit a game.

Greetings

Jan

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Am 03.07.2013 um 21:12 schrieb zoe fiog...@rogers.com:

 I'm so sorry, i think you missunderstood, I don't have my phone locked in 
 portrait the problem as i said is that the app says to three finger swipe 
 left to exit the training mode, but it doesn't work, I had to exit the app 
 and take the app out of the app switcher and then re open the app to get to 
 the home screen.
  
 Thanks for any help you can provide on this matter.
 Regards
 Zoe
 - Original Message -
 From: Jan Blüher, visorApps
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 2:12 PM
 Subject: Re: mousekick help please
 
 Hallo Zoe,
 
 thank you for getting MouseKick. I am sorry that you had this trouble so far. 
 Please try to unlock your device orientation before playing MouseKick. 
 Regrettably, there is an orientation bug in the app, which sometimes messes 
 up the game and training view. What you told about your problems may come 
 from this.
 
 I already submitted an update that fixes the bug to Apple. So it will very 
 soon be published.
 
 Just contact me, if you should have further questions or hints. Any feedback 
 is appreciated.
 
 Thanks for your patients.
 Greetings
 
 Jan
 
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 Am 03.07.2013 um 19:06 schrieb zoe fiog...@rogers.com:
 
 Hi has anyone bought this game.  I opened the app and clicked on training 
 mode.  I listened to the message wich said double tap to the screen and 
 listen, I tried double tapping but nothing the message just continued 
 repeating it self.  Finally I don't know how but I was taken to another 
 screen where I listened different sounds and tapped on the screen to see if 
 I hit the mice, I think I'm in the training mode but not sure.  Now the app 
 says with voice over three finger swipe left to quit but no matter how much 
 i swipe it does nothing and I can't get out of this screen there is no back 
 button or anything.  i clicked the home button to exit the app and reopened 
 it but nothing it just takes me back to the same screen and says the same 
 message three finger swipe left to quit.
 Any help?
 Thanks
 Zoe
 
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RE: Apple Maps vs. Seeing Eye

2013-07-04 Thread Lois Butterfield
Does this mean that you will be using data when you use this program as you
do with apple maps?

 

Thanks,

Lois

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Maps vs. Seeing Eye

 

To alleviate your concerns somewhat, the maps in the Seeing I app are not
stored on your phone at all. They are stored in the cloud so presumably they
are updated regularly on the servers themselves. Thus, you don't have the
same problem that you have with other conventional GPS applications of
having to download map updates to your phone. I hope this helps.

Bob Fenton

 

Sent from my iPhone


On 2013-07-03, at 7:29 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, for those of you familiar with both the new Seeing Eye GPS app and the
core Maps app, can you lay out the differences? I understand turn by turn
walking directions are not available until iOS 7. Anything else? My biggest
concern with the Seeing Eye app is the longevity of the maps. I don't want
to pay an annual subscription only to be stuck with only annual map updates.
Mind you, I don't know that this is the case, just an observation from using
previous Sendero products.

 

Joe 

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Re: Unzipping on the iphone and default email accounts.

2013-07-04 Thread RobH!
Yes to both,   better depends on view point, i have and use both including 
transfer and zipping/unzipping.

RobH, recommends them.
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From: Andrew Head ath...@bigpond.net.au
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: Unzipping on the iphone and default email accounts.


Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone uses phone drive, and ubidisk?

How are both of these apps in terms of accessibility and Iare both easy to 
use? Which one would be best?
Thanks in advance,
Hope everyone has a good day! :-) From Andrew

Sent from my iPhone

On 26/06/2013, at 6:35 PM, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 PhoneDrive and Ubidisk do this.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Andrew Head ath...@bigpond.net.au
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 8:23 AM
 Subject: Unzipping on the iphone and default email accounts.


 Hi all,
 1. Just wondering if the iphone can unzip zip files so I can access the
 folders and files contained? I downloaded a book on my iphone which is
 zipped and saved to dropbox. Can I go into dropbox and unzip it? If not,
 I'll just use the pc, but it would be useful to unzip on the phone. Or is
 there an app that might  unzip?

 2. I have 2 email accounts set up on my phone, a gmail and a bigpond. The
 gmail is the default account, but I changed it to bigpond to see what 
 might
 happen, but nothing seems to be different. What is  default exactly?
 Kind regards,
 From Andrew.

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Sendero's i-phone gps app

2013-07-04 Thread Joanne Chua
Hi all,

Below message might e interest for some of you.

Regards
Joanne (AU)


From: Greg Kearney
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:44:18 +0800
Subject: Sendero's i-phone gps app


I downloaded this app by tricking my phone into thinking it was in the
U.S. and that I could buy things from the U.S. app store. I have
serious issues with the way this app is being marketed which I feel is
deceptive and amounts to a bait and switch. These concerns have
nothing to do with the fact that the app does not support navigation
outside of North America, which is why it is at the moment only
offered in the U.S. app store.

My issue come from the fact that the app is promoted as a free
download, which in fact it is. What the developer fail to tell you is
that while you can download the app for free the app will be useless
to you unless you buy the subscription for $70 a year. So, in fact,
the app is not free at all and unlike other GPS solutions the app will
cost you money each year to keep it running. Should the company go out
of business the app becomes worthless. Also you are going to be at the
mercy of the company as far as pricing goes. Once you have this app
you will need to continue to pay each year for the ability to use it.
While other apps do use the idea of in app buy in those app do as a
rule offer some, all be it limited, functions in the free version.
This is not the case here.

The other issue that the app is completely dependent on data from the
internet and so unlike many GSP applications will require that you
have a data connection on your phone at all times. If you attempt to
use this app outside of areas with data service the app will simply
stop working. This would pose a real issue in regional, rural and
outback Australia where data and sometimes even phone coverage is not
available. Not only will you be paying the $70 a year but you will be
using up your phone data demands as well.

Given these fact I think that we would do well to remember the maxim:
caveat emptor, let the buyer beware.

Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA


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RE: Unzipping on the iPhone and default email accounts.

2013-07-04 Thread Brett
Hi,

I have used PhoneDrive, but not the other one. PhoneDrive is accessible, but
if you have several files in a list you have to flick through each one, If
you touch a file or do a scroll by page command PhoneDrive goes in to edit
mode, which is quite annoying. 

Personally I like Downloads, which is fully accessible, even the scroll bar
that you can use to move through an open document. There is a free version
which lets you download no more than 6 files from the internet. You can send
as many documents as you want to it via Wi-Fi though. The paid version is
only a couple of dollars and is well worth purchasing. Try the free version
and see if it meets your needs first. If it does, I recommend purchasing and
supporting the author.

Hope this helps,
Brett.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of RobH!
Sent: Thursday, 4 July 2013 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unzipping on the iphone and default email accounts.

Yes to both,   better depends on view point, i have and use both including 
transfer and zipping/unzipping.

RobH, recommends them.
- Original Message - 
From: Andrew Head ath...@bigpond.net.au
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: Unzipping on the iphone and default email accounts.


Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone uses phone drive, and ubidisk?

How are both of these apps in terms of accessibility and Iare both easy to 
use? Which one would be best?
Thanks in advance,
Hope everyone has a good day! :-) From Andrew

Sent from my iPhone

On 26/06/2013, at 6:35 PM, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 PhoneDrive and Ubidisk do this.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Andrew Head ath...@bigpond.net.au
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 8:23 AM
 Subject: Unzipping on the iphone and default email accounts.


 Hi all,
 1. Just wondering if the iphone can unzip zip files so I can access the
 folders and files contained? I downloaded a book on my iphone which is
 zipped and saved to dropbox. Can I go into dropbox and unzip it? If not,
 I'll just use the pc, but it would be useful to unzip on the phone. Or is
 there an app that might  unzip?

 2. I have 2 email accounts set up on my phone, a gmail and a bigpond. The
 gmail is the default account, but I changed it to bigpond to see what 
 might
 happen, but nothing seems to be different. What is  default exactly?
 Kind regards,
 From Andrew.

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Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?

2013-07-04 Thread Sandratomkins
Hi Sieghard,

I wonder if you can help re this, My Way Light: I fired it up last night 
and took a stroll around the house, putting in markers. I should explain that 
we have enough land here to mark places, sometimes at a distance of, say, 100 
yards. I marked gates, steps, back doors etc. However, the clock directions 
seemed to be diametrically opposite to the reality. So, if it said 3-O-Clock it 
was infact at 9.

This was so much so, that I thought, perhaps I am imagining this virtual 
clock from a wrong perspective? I assume, being new to the notion of using 
clock references, that I am in the centre of the clock face? What ever I am 
doing wrong, it makes this app useless for me, but I would love to get it right.

Any hints most gratefully received.
Sandy. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 4 Jul 2013, at 03:29, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Louise and Eileen,
 
 I have the paid version of MyWay Classic and I used it last year on Maui to
 set a few routes on the campground I was on since my tent was rather far
 away from the washroom and the showers were yet again in a different place
 and both routes involved a few mostly 90 degree left and right turns. MyWay
 Classic works super well for this and to my knowledge the Light version
 should do this particular thing just as well and without restrictions. I
 believe the restrictions have to do with importing/sharing stuff etc. I do
 sometimes wish developers were more descriptive with their light versions
 since often the description of a paid and Light app are the same and the
 limitations are not explained well.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Louise Redsull
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:16 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?
 
 I'd be interested in hearing your experiences as well as I'm looking for an
 app to do a similar thing when I go camping next month.
 
 Louise.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Eileens Misrahi
 Sent: 03 July 2013 4:29 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?
 
 Hi Mary,
 I would '
 be interested on your take of this app in the lite version option. If you
 want to contact me off list after using it, that would be great. Enjoy your
 outdoor camping trip.
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It looks like the difference between the classic and light versions of
 this myway app have to do with the ability to share points of interest via
 itunes and access pois in osm format. I got the light version to try this
 weekend. If it works with sufficient accuracy to be useful in a setting
 where there aren't defined roadways with sidewalks, entrances and all that
 good stuff, then I will pay the 15 bucks to support the developer.
 
 Mary
 
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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Bluetooth Headset Recommendation

2013-07-04 Thread The iBUG Guy
Hi All,
I am looking into getting a bluetooth headset.  I have checked out several 
online reviews, but wanted to get some feedback from my BVI friends and 
users. My criteria in order of priority include:
1) Audio quality that’s coupled with stuff like noise-cancellation and 
excellent signal reception are of paramount importance.  The person on the 
other end of the line has to hear me loud and clear no matter what kind of 
an environment I am in.
2) Comfort and ergonomic fit as I will be wearing about 12 hours per day.
3) Maximize talk time and music/podcast streaming time.
4) Voice and/or signal prompts control.
5) Multiple pairing.

Thanks in advance.

The iBUG Guy
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Re: app trials before you buy

2013-07-04 Thread shaf
The other reason developers love to use in-app purchases is because
they are near to impossible to crack. When a certain site was alive,
people couldn't even get around the in-app purchase and offer their
purchases for free, so developers want to take advantage of that and
keep software piracy to a minimum. And I cannot blame them for that
either; Sendero are not a huge corporation like Freedom Scientific so
they cannot afford to lose money due to piracy.
Also, Apple will not allow time-based use for apps submitted to the
app store. As well as that, Apple take a 3rd of each sale made via the
app store. They will not allow developers to link to an external
website where they can purchase apps, for that same reason that they
cannot prophet from app sales. Remember, you are not paying the full
price to Sendero for their subscriptions; you are paying 2 thirds of
that money to them and a third goes to Apple. (Thanks Jonathan for
clarifying.)


-Shaf

On 7/4/13, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Raul,

 I think you are right on this one.  Sendero reps certainly are aware of the
 request for a trial and I have seen nothing on the beta list I'm on
 suggesting that it cannot occur.  People may have to vote on this as they
 plan to offer an upgrade with three enhancements/features.  If this is the
 way they plan to proceed and they come out with a feature list as I suspect
 they will, I'll bet a trial version will be one of the features requested.
 This is speculation on my part, but I'm guessing they will do a one month
 trial for somewhere between $5 and $8, but of course, that could all
 change.

 Les
 On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:22 AM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com
 wrote:

 Hi. I figured I'd start a new thread since this concerns the ability or
 inability of app developers to offer trials for their apps. It's not
 specific to the Sendero Seeing Eye app, although those discussions were
 the catalyst for this message.

 I've seen some people ask why the Sendero app can't offer a short trial, 1
 day, 1 week, 30 days, ETC. Some have answered that it's an Apple
 restrictions, while others have said it's up to the developer. Let me say
 that I am not a developer or an Apple employee. So, what I say is purely
 based on my own personal experience.

 I think that if Sendero wanted to offer a trial for a short time, they
 could do it. Note that I'm speaking of the technical ability, not a
 business decision, or the taking into account of overhead. The reason for
 this is because if you download an app from the app store and let's say
 the app itself is free, you are then presented with options of a
 subscription. This could be a monthly subscription, a yearly one, or a
 daily one. So, I believe that as long as your app is obtainable and you
 have written it in such a way that you can offer these in-app purchases,
 then you are good to go. I do not know what all is involved with paying
 Apple for this type of subscription, or if this is a way that some
 developers get around Apple's restrictions. I'll give some examples
 below.

 1. Book apps. Apps like Nook and Audible don't have actual in-app purchase
 capabilities, but if you buy your book on their own site, the app
 downloads the book and you can read. If Sendero did something similar, you
 could get the free app like you do now, then you would purchase your
 subscription from Sendero's web site itself. This way Sendero would have
 total control over what kind of subscription might be offered. This
 doesn't seem like the best solution because when you buy a book, you
 download and it's yours to read as many times as you can, the book doesn't
 actually expire and go back to the site.

 2. Phone apps. An app like Talkatone is free with ads. If you want to get
 rid of ads, you can do so by in-app purchases. Guess what though, the ads
 don't go away forever. No sir they don't. You purchase no ads for a
 monthly subscription or a yearly subscription. This also gives you higher
 quality calls and this way the company has control over what they offer
 you and for how long. If Sender did something like this, and I imagine
 they are, then they control for how long your device and/or Apple ID have
 access to the products the app offers. 1, day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 3
 years, ETC.

 3. Separate app purchases. This is a bit older now and not as widely used
 from what I know. This is where you purchase a lite or crippled version of
 the app which is separate than the actual paid version. So, you might get
 a free app with ads, and then if you want the non-ad version, or the
 non-crippled version, you purchase a separate app which actually costs you
 money at the app store. I can see why things like this are going away. It
 makes it so the developer has to maintain more than one app, and it also
 fixes the price with the app store when you purchase the paid app. If
 Sendero did this, the free version might be good for some, but then they
 would have to have 2 

Re: Seeing eye app feature request

2013-07-04 Thread shaf
Where can we find this list, Mary?


-Shaf

On 7/3/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 Robert,
 You may want to subscribe to the gps-talk list, where the Sendero folks
 monitor the traffic and make your feature suggestion there. I don't think
 they are on this list, so suggesting stuff here won't get to them first
 hand, I don't believe.

 Mary

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Australian English

2013-07-04 Thread Scott Duck
Hi Everyone,

I am thinking about changing my Voice Over voice to Australian English
because she doesn't sound like she's angry with you like Samantha does.  I
can select Australian English in the language rotor but it uses the compact
voice.  I believe that, in order to download the high quality voice, I will
have to change it in the language settings (under settings  general 
international  language) rather than in the Voice Over language rotor.
However, Australian English is not listed in the language options.  I know
that it has to be possible because I have heard podcasts in which Australian
English was used with Voice Over.  What am I missing?

Thanks,

Scott Duck

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Re: voice dream or read 2 go?

2013-07-04 Thread Russ Kiehne
I don't have a braille display.  The audio books from bookshare aren't human 
read.  Voice dream reader meets my needs for reading books from bookshare.


-Original Message- 
From: Woody Anna Dresner

Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice dream or read 2 go?

Hi,

If you ever read Bookshare files with a braille display, Read2Go is a better 
option because you can read a whole section, such as a chapter, of a book 
continuously, while with Voice Dream Reader, you have to switch screens 
manually every few lines. The last time I tried this, the last line from the 
previous screen appeared at the top of the next one, making reading braille 
even more annoying. Also, if you ever want to use audio-only DAISY books or 
DAISY books with text and audio, you'll need Read2Go to hear the audio. For 
reading with synthesized speech, however, Voice Dream is a great option.


Best,
Anna



On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote:

I recently bought Voice Dream and the optional Neospeech Kate voice.  I 
primarily use it for books from bookshare and unprotected epub.  Up until 
now, I was using my Booksense.  I'm happy to say I now use Voice Dream for 
this purpose.  I feel the Neospeech used by Voice Dream is a higher 
quality than on my Booksense.  I must say, I'm really impressed with this 
app.


-Original Message- From: Cait and Maggie
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: voice dream or read 2 go?

Hi,
I'm trying to decide between read 2 go or voice dream.  I used to use in 
daisy for daisy files, but since it's now seemingly dead I need another 
option.

anybody got any insight as to which of these two apps would be better?
Most of my daisy files are bookshare books, but I don't want to be limited 
to just bookshare files.

thanks,
Caitlyn

ps-getting both apps isn't an option.

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another great thing about prizmo

2013-07-04 Thread Stephanie Mitchell
Today, I got a pdf converted it to text using prizmo, and then I 
filled out the form.  It was fantastic, but I do have a question.  
Is there a way to save the document?
Also, is there a way to create an electronic signature so a blind 
person can sign a form electronically?

Steph

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iphone and printer

2013-07-04 Thread buddy liverman
This is a strange post so bear with me. I would like to print in 
braille from my Iphone to my Juliet Printer, i posted this because i 
don't know where else to ask. someone give me info what i need to use 
with my Juliet, I know i can emboss with open Book, what else do i 
need? thanks Buddy. I am sorry if this is not necessarily related to my 
Iphone. thanks


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Re: Action games for iOS devices

2013-07-04 Thread Mario Barbuto

  Hi Alan,

I installed STB Chrome that promises to be a very funny game.
Unfortunately, something must be wrong in my actions because I cannot 
read the values the nine buttons assume after you tap on each of them.

In fact, running the game from scratch, the nine buttons are labeled as
Mechanical clock T1 to mechanical clock T9.
After I roll the dice and get its  total result, every following tap 
on one of the nine buttons produce the tapped button itself changes 
its label and it simply becomes Button.
I didn't find any right way to know the numeric value of each button, 
after having tapped it.

My IOS system is updated to the last version, while my Iphone is 4.
Some suggestions or ideas?
Where I'm making mistake?

Thank you.

Mario.

At 18:33 02/07/2013, Alan Paganelli wrote:
I like shut the box chrome.  It's a maddening little game.  I won't 
spoil the surprise by telling you about it but I will say it's 
totally accessible and free.


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Re: A way of signing electronically, perhaps?

2013-07-04 Thread Richard Turner
One of the first things I noticed in reading the details in the app store is 
the phrase: Offers in app purchases so I think you will find that it is not 
free in the long run. But it looks promising and may be worth paying a fee to 
have a way to do this if someone has to sign very many documents and could save 
time not having to travel to an office, etc.

Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi Steph,
 
I downloaded this a couple of months ago, but have never actually used it. 
 It does look accessible but...
 
If I remember aright, 'twas free, so you could take a look.
 
Sandy. 
 
 DocuSign Ink – Sign Documents  PDFs by DocuSign
 https://itunes.apple.com/ie/app/docusign-ink-sign-documents/id474990205?mt=8
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Seeing eye app feature request

2013-07-04 Thread Richard Turner
Here is the link to their mailing list:

http://senderogroup.com/social_media/email.htm

Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

On Jul 4, 2013, at 4:36 AM, shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Where can we find this list, Mary?
 
 
 -Shaf
 
 On 7/3/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 Robert,
 You may want to subscribe to the gps-talk list, where the Sendero folks
 monitor the traffic and make your feature suggestion there. I don't think
 they are on this list, so suggesting stuff here won't get to them first
 hand, I don't believe.
 
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Re: iphone and printer

2013-07-04 Thread Richard Turner
I would suggest you write Apple and request that they add the ability to emboss 
in braille to their AirPrint feature.
You could start with writing to: accessibil...@apple.com


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On Jul 4, 2013, at 12:39 AM, buddy liverman bu...@samobile.net wrote:

 This is a strange post so bear with me. I would like to print in braille from 
 my Iphone to my Juliet Printer, i posted this because i don't know where else 
 to ask. someone give me info what i need to use with my Juliet, I know i can 
 emboss with open Book, what else do i need? thanks Buddy. I am sorry if this 
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Re: another great thing about prizmo

2013-07-04 Thread Len Burns
On an iDevice I do not know.  In Acrobat reader the answer is definitely
yes, provided the form was created correctly.  Please write me off-list
if I can help further since this is clearly out of scope for this list.
l...@gatamundo.com
-Len
On 7/4/2013 1:39 AM, Stephanie Mitchell wrote:
 Today, I got a pdf converted it to text using prizmo, and then I filled
 out the form.  It was fantastic, but I do have a question.  Is there a
 way to save the document?
 Also, is there a way to create an electronic signature so a blind person
 can sign a form electronically?
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Re: Action games for iOS devices

2013-07-04 Thread Donna
I have this same problem with STB chrome. The problem seems to come and go 
without any reason. I have been able to just  work around the game. After 
rolling the dice when you go through the boxes and VO announces the boxes as 
being labled as T1, T2, T3 etc this is the same as when VO will announce the 
boxes as properly labeled 1-9. So in my observation of playing the game on a 
daily basis and the game responding differently with VO with any game play on 
any given day I can say that this is a flaw in the game itself. You could try 
clearing the game from the app switcher before opening the game to play. This 
helps sometimes but isn't a cure all fix. 

Happy rolling!

Donna

On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Mario Barbuto barb...@cavazza.it wrote:

  Hi Alan,
 
 I installed STB Chrome that promises to be a very funny game.
 Unfortunately, something must be wrong in my actions because I cannot read 
 the values the nine buttons assume after you tap on each of them.
 In fact, running the game from scratch, the nine buttons are labeled as
 Mechanical clock T1 to mechanical clock T9.
 After I roll the dice and get its  total result, every following tap on one 
 of the nine buttons produce the tapped button itself changes its label and it 
 simply becomes Button.
 I didn't find any right way to know the numeric value of each button, after 
 having tapped it.
 My IOS system is updated to the last version, while my Iphone is 4.
 Some suggestions or ideas?
 Where I'm making mistake?
 
 Thank you.
 
 Mario.
 
 At 18:33 02/07/2013, Alan Paganelli wrote:
 I like shut the box chrome.  It's a maddening little game.  I won't spoil 
 the surprise by telling you about it but I will say it's totally accessible 
 and free.
 
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Re: Bluetooth Headset Recommendation

2013-07-04 Thread Alan Paganelli
I find myself in the same boat with you.  I could live with the requirements 
you listed but I would want only 1 in earpeace. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: The iBUG Guy 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 4:12 AM
  Subject: Bluetooth Headset Recommendation


  Hi All,
  I am looking into getting a bluetooth headset.  I have checked out several 
online reviews, but wanted to get some feedback from my BVI friends and users. 
My criteria in order of priority include:
  1) Audio quality that’s coupled with stuff like noise-cancellation and 
excellent signal reception are of paramount importance.  The person on the 
other end of the line has to hear me loud and clear no matter what kind of an 
environment I am in.
  2) Comfort and ergonomic fit as I will be wearing about 12 hours per day.
  3) Maximize talk time and music/podcast streaming time.
  4) Voice and/or signal prompts control.
  5) Multiple pairing.



  Thanks in advance.


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Re: Bluetooth Headset Recommendation

2013-07-04 Thread The iBUG Guy
Alan - yes, i was making that assumption, but should have been explicit in 
stating the requirement for a single ear headset.  None of the stereo 
headsets that I am aware have very good noise cancellation.

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On Thursday, July 4, 2013 6:12:54 AM UTC-5, The iBUG Guy wrote:

 Hi All,
 I am looking into getting a bluetooth headset.  I have checked out several 
 online reviews, but wanted to get some feedback from my BVI friends and 
 users. My criteria in order of priority include:
 1) Audio quality that’s coupled with stuff like noise-cancellation and 
 excellent signal reception are of paramount importance.  The person on the 
 other end of the line has to hear me loud and clear no matter what kind of 
 an environment I am in.
 2) Comfort and ergonomic fit as I will be wearing about 12 hours per day.
 3) Maximize talk time and music/podcast streaming time.
 4) Voice and/or signal prompts control.
 5) Multiple pairing.

 Thanks in advance.

 The iBUG Guy
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Re: Bluetooth Headset Recommendation

2013-07-04 Thread Alan Paganelli
We'll see what the group comes up with.  They usually can suggest pretty good 
products.
  - Original Message - 
  From: The iBUG Guy 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 8:04 AM
  Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset Recommendation


  Alan - yes, i was making that assumption, but should have been explicit in 
stating the requirement for a single ear headset.  None of the stereo headsets 
that I am aware have very good noise cancellation.


  The iBIUG Guy
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  @ibugtoday on Twitter


  On Thursday, July 4, 2013 6:12:54 AM UTC-5, The iBUG Guy wrote:
Hi All,
I am looking into getting a bluetooth headset.  I have checked out several 
online reviews, but wanted to get some feedback from my BVI friends and users. 
My criteria in order of priority include:
1) Audio quality that’s coupled with stuff like noise-cancellation and 
excellent signal reception are of paramount importance.  The person on the 
other end of the line has to hear me loud and clear no matter what kind of an 
environment I am in.
2) Comfort and ergonomic fit as I will be wearing about 12 hours per day.
3) Maximize talk time and music/podcast streaming time.
4) Voice and/or signal prompts control.
5) Multiple pairing.



Thanks in advance.


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Re: Action games for iOS devices

2013-07-04 Thread Alan Paganelli
There was an update to this game not long ago.  I haven't played it in awhile.  
So when I read the trouble others are having, I decided to try mine.  What ever 
they did, the game went from accessible to not accessible.  To bad too because 
it was one of those games that seems to be pretty simple.  It is until you try 
it.  Then you find yourself saying things like ok one more time!  Sorry friends 
but it was accessible.  I'm disappointed that now it isn't.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Donna 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 7:15 AM
  Subject: Re: Action games for iOS devices


  I have this same problem with STB chrome. The problem seems to come and go 
without any reason. I have been able to just  work around the game. After 
rolling the dice when you go through the boxes and VO announces the boxes as 
being labled as T1, T2, T3 etc this is the same as when VO will announce the 
boxes as properly labeled 1-9. So in my observation of playing the game on a 
daily basis and the game responding differently with VO with any game play on 
any given day I can say that this is a flaw in the game itself. You could try 
clearing the game from the app switcher before opening the game to play. This 
helps sometimes but isn't a cure all fix. 

  Happy rolling!

  Donna

  On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Mario Barbuto barb...@cavazza.it wrote:

Hi Alan,
   
   I installed STB Chrome that promises to be a very funny game.
   Unfortunately, something must be wrong in my actions because I cannot read 
the values the nine buttons assume after you tap on each of them.
   In fact, running the game from scratch, the nine buttons are labeled as
   Mechanical clock T1 to mechanical clock T9.
   After I roll the dice and get its  total result, every following tap on one 
of the nine buttons produce the tapped button itself changes its label and it 
simply becomes Button.
   I didn't find any right way to know the numeric value of each button, after 
having tapped it.
   My IOS system is updated to the last version, while my Iphone is 4.
   Some suggestions or ideas?
   Where I'm making mistake?
   
   Thank you.
   
   Mario.
   
   At 18:33 02/07/2013, Alan Paganelli wrote:
   I like shut the box chrome.  It's a maddening little game.  I won't spoil 
the surprise by telling you about it but I will say it's totally accessible and 
free.
   
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Tagging

2013-07-04 Thread Jim Portillo
Hi there,

Could someone tell me if it's possible to tag people using the IPhone facebook 
app? If so, how do I go about doing that when writing my status?
Jim


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Papa Sangre is 99 Cents Today

2013-07-04 Thread MamaPeach
I just got a notification that Papa Sangre has been dropped from $4.99 to 99 
cents to day, to celebrate the 4th. I have just purchsed it. If you have 
been waiting for this app to drop in price, you better go grab it now. 


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Re: Tagging

2013-07-04 Thread Stacy Fuehrer
Jim, yes, it is very possible to tag people with the facebook app.  When you 
want to tag, flick right, out of the text field where you are writing your 
post.  you will see several options, one of which is choose friends.  Double 
tap this and your friends list will appear.  once you find the friend you want 
to tag, double tap their name.  if you want to tag multiple people, continue 
double tapping on names in the list.  When you are finished with selecting your 
friends, there is a done button near the top of the list, double tap this and 
you will be taken back to the text field where you were writing.  
hth, 
Stacy 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Jim Portillo portillo@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi there,
 
 Could someone tell me if it's possible to tag people using the IPhone 
 facebook app? If so, how do I go about doing that when writing my status?
 Jim
 
 
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RE: iTunes

2013-07-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Robert,

Has anything changed like are you using iTunes on a new computer? Normally
you only get this message if you have not before done a sync of music and
videos between that particular installation of iTunes and that particular
phone. Another possibility is maybe that you accidently checked not to sync
any music where before you had checked to sync all or sync selected music. I
am just speculating.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Robert Doc Wright
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes

The other day I created a tone.  When I took the steps to sync it to my
phone I was informed  by iTunes that any music or videos would be removed
from my phone in order to sync my tones.  Why is this necessary?
Why do I have to go to the hastle of resyncing my music when I add tones?
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Re: Tagging

2013-07-04 Thread Lisa Soulor
Thanks, Stacy, I had no idea how to do that. Great explanation. :-)
In Christ, Lisa

On 7/4/13, Stacy Fuehrer precious0...@gmail.com wrote:
 Jim, yes, it is very possible to tag people with the facebook app.  When you
 want to tag, flick right, out of the text field where you are writing your
 post.  you will see several options, one of which is choose friends.  Double
 tap this and your friends list will appear.  once you find the friend you
 want to tag, double tap their name.  if you want to tag multiple people,
 continue double tapping on names in the list.  When you are finished with
 selecting your friends, there is a done button near the top of the list,
 double tap this and you will be taken back to the text field where you were
 writing.
 hth,
 Stacy

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Jim Portillo portillo@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi there,

 Could someone tell me if it's possible to tag people using the IPhone
 facebook app? If so, how do I go about doing that when writing my status?
 Jim


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Re: TapTapSee Feedback

2013-07-04 Thread Alan Paganelli
Actually, I'm using an iPhone 4.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sarah Cranston 
  To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:35 AM
  Subject: RE: TapTapSee Feedback


  This may depend on the device. Are you using an iPhone 5?

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dmit...@taptapseeapp.com
  Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 12:04 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Cc: Alan Paganelli
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee Feedback

   

  Alan,

   

  For some reason it's still not working for me. However, the idea itself is 
interesting. I'll make a note of it for further research. Thanks!

   

  Best,

  Dmitriy

  On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:35:13 AM UTC-7, alanand...@earthlink.net wrote:

  I find that if you turn on grid in camera, options, grid.  With grid turned 
on, you get the help as to which way to move the camera to center the face.  
Note: it works slowly but it will tell you sooner or later.  Still, it's an 
interesting idea.

- Original Message - 

From: dmi...@taptapseeapp.com 

To: vip...@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:08 PM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee Feedback

 

Srikanth, 

 

It's odd, because my Camera app doesn't tell me if the object is in the 
center, right corner or left corner. Is there something that needs to be 
tweaked in the settings for this to work?

 

Best,

Dmitriy

On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 9:07:44 AM UTC-7, Srikanth Kanuri wrote: 

Yes. The auto focus feature with voice notifications such as product 
centred , product at left or at right part of focus etc.  just as apple 
implemented for its camera app through face detection. 

Sent from Srikanth's iPhone 5


On 02-Jul-2013, at 9:21 PM, dmi...@taptapseeapp.com 
dmitriy.k...@gmail.com wrote:

  Alan, 

   

  To make sure I understand correctly - you're asking if TapTapSee can 
incorporate the autofocus that the regular iPhone camera uses? Correct me if 
I'm wrong. I want to make sure we're on the same page.

   

  Thank you,

  Dmitriy


  On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 8:38:36 AM UTC-7, alanand...@earthlink.net 
wrote: 

  Hi Dmitriy,

   

  I was just wondering about something here out and decided to run it past 
everybody. Is there a way to use that chirping sound used to notify the user 
they have the object in focus expanded.  The photo app on iPhone can tell you 
that the face is centered or low, lower right-hand corner etc.  Can that be 
taken advantage of to help the user center what ever has focus and would that 
result in better results?  Like I said, just out loud and outside the box.

   

  Regards,

   

  Alan

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: dmi...@taptapseeapp.com 

To: vip...@googlegroups.com 

Cc: pin...@abe.midco.net 

Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 3:01 PM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee Feedback

 

Pinky, 

 

TapTapSee is a free app designed to help the blind and visually 
impaired identify objects they encounter in their daily lives. Simply double 
tap the screen to take a photo of anything and hear the app speak the 
identification back to you (Note: Spoken identification requires VoiceOver to 
be turned on).




When you first open TapTapSee a Privacy Notice pops up that needs to be 
accepted for you to use the app. Once it's accepted you're taken into the app, 
which consists of a camera and four buttons at the top of the screen - Repeat, 
Library, Share and About.

 

To take a picture simply double tap on the screen and wait for the 
identification to come back to you. This will take seven to 10 seconds, 
depending on your network connection. The image gets sent out to our server 
where it is processed and then given a tag that is sent back to the user's 
device. The VoiceOver in the device speaks the identification back to the user.

 

TapTapSee also includes the following four features:

 

The Repeat button was developed in case the identification was missed 
by the user on the initial response.

 

The Library button allows the user to access the device's Camera Roll 
in order to send images to TapTapSee for identification. To access this feature 
simply click on the Library Button and then proceed to select an image that you 
want to have identified from the Camera Roll (Note: If access to the Camera 
Roll is denied then the Privacy Settings must be changed on the device).

 

The Share button gives the user the ability to Share the image via 
Email, Twitter or Facebook. The Share button also includes the option for the 
user to save the image to the device's Camera Roll and more.

 

TapTapSee gives users a general identification of the images. However, 
if for example, the user 

Re: Tagging

2013-07-04 Thread Chris H
Insert an at in front of the name. You don't have to know the full name; 
just type the first few characters then double tap on an entry to 
complete the search.


On 04/07/2013 16:11, Jim Portillo wrote:

Hi there,

Could someone tell me if it's possible to tag people using the IPhone facebook 
app? If so, how do I go about doing that when writing my status?
Jim


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Re: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

2013-07-04 Thread Chuck Dean
The key difference I see with the Seeing Eye app than  other navigation apps, 
is that it announces the Intersections and gives descriptions of them. This is 
very useful in learning the neighborhood.
Another thing we must remember, is that this is version 1.0. Sendero is very 
good at listening to users feedback, and responding to it. I am looking forward 
to the features of the more advanced versions.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Apple Maps will have turn by turn walking directions in iOS 7.  I
 wonder how the Seeing Eye app will be really different from that
 experience.  Chicago has loads of one-way streets so turn by turn
 driving directions have limited value.
 
 I would very much like a short paid subscription.  Apple Maps does not
 work in EDGE service.  I would like to try the Seeing Eye ap to find
 out how it preforms in EDGE conditions.  The fact that maps are
 through the Internet and not my device is a bummer.  No cell phone
 carrier is available everywhere. However, a talking map can be
 indispensable and should be available at all times like Navigon.
 
 Mike May described his difficulty in developing both a high quality
 accessible GPS ap that was affordable in the March CSUN presentation.
 I would like a monthly subscription to understand how the app works
 under EDGE conditions. Those seeking a free or low cost solution are
 really advocating for a socialist society.  I essentially live in one
 and life in this leftist paradise is not the utopia that many claim it
 to be.
 
 Kelly
 
 
 
 
 Kelly
 
 
 
 On 7/3/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Rose,
 
 I would check Applevis every now and then to see if somebody did a
 comprehensive Podcast on Seeing Eye GPS, I am sure there will be one sooner
 rather than later, but keep in mind that the app was only released
 yesterday
 and beta testers were probably obligated to keep their mouth shut until the
 official release.
 
 I also think that changing the price may well be possible, if enough people
 request a one or two week trial subscription for maybe $10 or so, Sendero
 might very well do this. I personally have a lot of confidence in Sendero
 and their ability to produce an outstanding app which will become more
 feature rich as time goes by. I downloaded the app and the only reason why
 I
 haven't registered/subscribed yet is because I am currently not going
 anywhere and don't really need it. After I paid for the $3,400 ACL surgery
 my guide dog had a couple of months ago I'll buy it so I can start learning
 how to make the most from it. I guess he had the physical pain, I'm dealing
 with how much that hurts my bank account and toys/travel budget *smile*
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Rose Combs
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:42 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode
 
 You know, I wish more people who have tried the app would weigh in, we
 can't
 change the pricing, we will all need to decide what meets our needs, so why
 can't we actually focus on what the app does or does not do, yes, I read
 the
 manual, it might help some who are sort of sitting on the fence to hear
 more
 about how the app is being used.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:52 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode
 
 Hi:
 Regardless of whether I would or would not buy an app, I would prefer to
 get
 a copy without all the bells and whistles than have to wait six months or
 another year to get a full featured version. The Kindle app, Flexy, and
 several others are good examples of my point. At the same time however I
 would not spend $70 for an app which I can't test in advance.
 
 On 7/2/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 Eric,
 
 I understand what you're saying about the desire to have all the
 features at the version 1.0 level. But that is simply not realistic.
 Apple or not Apple,
 1.0 apps are not mature, and they never have the same feature set as
 more mature apps. This app does things no other gps app on ios does.
 If its feature set plus the history of the Sendero group's commitment
 to gps for the blind isn't enough to give you confidence to buy a
 subscription, that is certainly your right. But this has nothing
 whatsoever to do with anything special to Apple and making excuses. If
 you've been using screen readers, you know how many years it takes for
 one of those to become mature. Same for the gps apps. Same for MS Office
 or any other complex app.
 
 Mary
 
 Mary Otten
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Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?

2013-07-04 Thread Sharonda Greenlaw
I would definitely love to hear everyone's feedback, as I have
downloaded the lite version of this app. It occurred to me that I
could use this to find important places within my apartment complex
i.e. the trash bin; the laundry room, the mailbox, etc.--seeing I'm
pretty new here. I also had the clock issues that Sandra pointed out.
Please shed light on what I'm doing wrong. I have the phone in front
of me with the home button toward me. Thank you!

Sharonda

On 7/4/13, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Sieghard,

 I wonder if you can help re this, My Way Light: I fired it up last night
 and took a stroll around the house, putting in markers. I should explain
 that we have enough land here to mark places, sometimes at a distance of,
 say, 100 yards. I marked gates, steps, back doors etc. However, the clock
 directions seemed to be diametrically opposite to the reality. So, if it
 said 3-O-Clock it was infact at 9.

 This was so much so, that I thought, perhaps I am imagining this virtual
 clock from a wrong perspective? I assume, being new to the notion of using
 clock references, that I am in the centre of the clock face? What ever I am
 doing wrong, it makes this app useless for me, but I would love to get it
 right.

 Any hints most gratefully received.
 Sandy.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 4 Jul 2013, at 03:29, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Louise and Eileen,

 I have the paid version of MyWay Classic and I used it last year on Maui
 to
 set a few routes on the campground I was on since my tent was rather far
 away from the washroom and the showers were yet again in a different
 place
 and both routes involved a few mostly 90 degree left and right turns.
 MyWay
 Classic works super well for this and to my knowledge the Light version
 should do this particular thing just as well and without restrictions. I
 believe the restrictions have to do with importing/sharing stuff etc. I
 do
 sometimes wish developers were more descriptive with their light versions
 since often the description of a paid and Light app are the same and the
 limitations are not explained well.


 Regards,
 Sieghard


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Louise Redsull
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:16 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?

 I'd be interested in hearing your experiences as well as I'm looking for
 an
 app to do a similar thing when I go camping next month.

 Louise.


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Eileens Misrahi
 Sent: 03 July 2013 4:29 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?

 Hi Mary,
 I would '
 be interested on your take of this app in the lite version option. If you
 want to contact me off list after using it, that would be great. Enjoy
 your
 outdoor camping trip.
 Eileen

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:

 It looks like the difference between the classic and light versions of
 this myway app have to do with the ability to share points of interest
 via
 itunes and access pois in osm format. I got the light version to try this
 weekend. If it works with sufficient accuracy to be useful in a setting
 where there aren't defined roadways with sidewalks, entrances and all
 that
 good stuff, then I will pay the 15 bucks to support the developer.

 Mary

 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com


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Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?

2013-07-04 Thread Chuck Dean
It sounds like you are holding the phone correctly. Imagine yourself in the 
center of the clock face. Twelve o'clock should be straight in front of you. 
Six o'clock should be directly behind, etc.
 I
 use this app all the time, mainly I use it to locate our car in parking lots, 
and do not  have this problem. 

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would definitely love to hear everyone's feedback, as I have
 downloaded the lite version of this app. It occurred to me that I
 could use this to find important places within my apartment complex
 i.e. the trash bin; the laundry room, the mailbox, etc.--seeing I'm
 pretty new here. I also had the clock issues that Sandra pointed out.
 Please shed light on what I'm doing wrong. I have the phone in front
 of me with the home button toward me. Thank you!
 
 Sharonda
 
 On 7/4/13, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Sieghard,
 
I wonder if you can help re this, My Way Light: I fired it up last night
 and took a stroll around the house, putting in markers. I should explain
 that we have enough land here to mark places, sometimes at a distance of,
 say, 100 yards. I marked gates, steps, back doors etc. However, the clock
 directions seemed to be diametrically opposite to the reality. So, if it
 said 3-O-Clock it was infact at 9.
 
This was so much so, that I thought, perhaps I am imagining this virtual
 clock from a wrong perspective? I assume, being new to the notion of using
 clock references, that I am in the centre of the clock face? What ever I am
 doing wrong, it makes this app useless for me, but I would love to get it
 right.
 
Any hints most gratefully received.
Sandy.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 4 Jul 2013, at 03:29, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Louise and Eileen,
 
 I have the paid version of MyWay Classic and I used it last year on Maui
 to
 set a few routes on the campground I was on since my tent was rather far
 away from the washroom and the showers were yet again in a different
 place
 and both routes involved a few mostly 90 degree left and right turns.
 MyWay
 Classic works super well for this and to my knowledge the Light version
 should do this particular thing just as well and without restrictions. I
 believe the restrictions have to do with importing/sharing stuff etc. I
 do
 sometimes wish developers were more descriptive with their light versions
 since often the description of a paid and Light app are the same and the
 limitations are not explained well.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Louise Redsull
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:16 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?
 
 I'd be interested in hearing your experiences as well as I'm looking for
 an
 app to do a similar thing when I go camping next month.
 
 Louise.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Eileens Misrahi
 Sent: 03 July 2013 4:29 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?
 
 Hi Mary,
 I would '
 be interested on your take of this app in the lite version option. If you
 want to contact me off list after using it, that would be great. Enjoy
 your
 outdoor camping trip.
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It looks like the difference between the classic and light versions of
 this myway app have to do with the ability to share points of interest
 via
 itunes and access pois in osm format. I got the light version to try this
 weekend. If it works with sufficient accuracy to be useful in a setting
 where there aren't defined roadways with sidewalks, entrances and all
 that
 good stuff, then I will pay the 15 bucks to support the developer.
 
 Mary
 
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?

2013-07-04 Thread Chuck Dean
You may also want to Try resetting the iphones compass by moving the phone in a 
figure 8 motion. 

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would definitely love to hear everyone's feedback, as I have
 downloaded the lite version of this app. It occurred to me that I
 could use this to find important places within my apartment complex
 i.e. the trash bin; the laundry room, the mailbox, etc.--seeing I'm
 pretty new here. I also had the clock issues that Sandra pointed out.
 Please shed light on what I'm doing wrong. I have the phone in front
 of me with the home button toward me. Thank you!
 
 Sharonda
 
 On 7/4/13, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Sieghard,
 
I wonder if you can help re this, My Way Light: I fired it up last night
 and took a stroll around the house, putting in markers. I should explain
 that we have enough land here to mark places, sometimes at a distance of,
 say, 100 yards. I marked gates, steps, back doors etc. However, the clock
 directions seemed to be diametrically opposite to the reality. So, if it
 said 3-O-Clock it was infact at 9.
 
This was so much so, that I thought, perhaps I am imagining this virtual
 clock from a wrong perspective? I assume, being new to the notion of using
 clock references, that I am in the centre of the clock face? What ever I am
 doing wrong, it makes this app useless for me, but I would love to get it
 right.
 
Any hints most gratefully received.
Sandy.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 4 Jul 2013, at 03:29, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Louise and Eileen,
 
 I have the paid version of MyWay Classic and I used it last year on Maui
 to
 set a few routes on the campground I was on since my tent was rather far
 away from the washroom and the showers were yet again in a different
 place
 and both routes involved a few mostly 90 degree left and right turns.
 MyWay
 Classic works super well for this and to my knowledge the Light version
 should do this particular thing just as well and without restrictions. I
 believe the restrictions have to do with importing/sharing stuff etc. I
 do
 sometimes wish developers were more descriptive with their light versions
 since often the description of a paid and Light app are the same and the
 limitations are not explained well.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Louise Redsull
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:16 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?
 
 I'd be interested in hearing your experiences as well as I'm looking for
 an
 app to do a similar thing when I go camping next month.
 
 Louise.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Eileens Misrahi
 Sent: 03 July 2013 4:29 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?
 
 Hi Mary,
 I would '
 be interested on your take of this app in the lite version option. If you
 want to contact me off list after using it, that would be great. Enjoy
 your
 outdoor camping trip.
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It looks like the difference between the classic and light versions of
 this myway app have to do with the ability to share points of interest
 via
 itunes and access pois in osm format. I got the light version to try this
 weekend. If it works with sufficient accuracy to be useful in a setting
 where there aren't defined roadways with sidewalks, entrances and all
 that
 good stuff, then I will pay the 15 bucks to support the developer.
 
 Mary
 
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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New user- where is help for Red Laser available?

2013-07-04 Thread Don Cher Bosch
Don't see any help within the app- how do I get started? Thanks,

 

Cher

 

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Re: Mentioning friends in Facebook

2013-07-04 Thread SCOTT VAN GORP
I believe having that word inserted is a Facebook thing. The app sign refers to 
Twitter.

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 thought I just read a note from someone that I could type the at sign, then 
 start typing a friend’s name and I would get a list of friends.  Was this not 
 for Facebook? If not, how can I mention friends, and not have the word “with” 
 appear in my post?
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Re: Mentioning friends in Facebook

2013-07-04 Thread Keith Bundy
You also use the @in the mobile Facebook app to mention friends. Someone told 
me it would work on the iPhone, but I've never been able to make it work.

Keith

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:54 AM, SCOTT VAN GORP s_vang...@msn.com wrote:

 I believe having that word inserted is a Facebook thing. The app sign refers 
 to Twitter.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Michael Malver mmal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 When I click the “choose friends” button to select friend’s names as part of 
 Facebook updates, the word “with” is inserted into the update as well.  I 
 thought I just read a note from someone that I could type the at sign, then 
 start typing a friend’s name and I would get a list of friends.  Was this 
 not for Facebook? If not, how can I mention friends, and not have the word 
 “with” appear in my post?
 Thanks
  
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stb chrome

2013-07-04 Thread Paul and Paula Jordan
I play this game a lot, and have memorized the buttons in order from 1 to 9.
I just have to count each time, which is a bit annoying, but doable. 

God bless!

Paula and Babe

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Action games for iOS devices

 

There was an update to this game not long ago.  I haven't played it in
awhile.  So when I read the trouble others are having, I decided to try
mine.  What ever they did, the game went from accessible to not accessible.
To bad too because it was one of those games that seems to be pretty simple.
It is until you try it.  Then you find yourself saying things like ok one
more time!  Sorry friends but it was accessible.  I'm disappointed that now
it isn't.

- Original Message - 

From: Donna mailto:merma...@bellsouth.net  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 7:15 AM

Subject: Re: Action games for iOS devices

 

I have this same problem with STB chrome. The problem seems to come and go
without any reason. I have been able to just  work around the game. After
rolling the dice when you go through the boxes and VO announces the boxes as
being labled as T1, T2, T3 etc this is the same as when VO will announce the
boxes as properly labeled 1-9. So in my observation of playing the game on a
daily basis and the game responding differently with VO with any game play
on any given day I can say that this is a flaw in the game itself. You could
try clearing the game from the app switcher before opening the game to play.
This helps sometimes but isn't a cure all fix. 

Happy rolling!

Donna

On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Mario Barbuto barb...@cavazza.it wrote:

  Hi Alan,
 
 I installed STB Chrome that promises to be a very funny game.
 Unfortunately, something must be wrong in my actions because I cannot read
the values the nine buttons assume after you tap on each of them.
 In fact, running the game from scratch, the nine buttons are labeled as
 Mechanical clock T1 to mechanical clock T9.
 After I roll the dice and get its  total result, every following tap on
one of the nine buttons produce the tapped button itself changes its label
and it simply becomes Button.
 I didn't find any right way to know the numeric value of each button,
after having tapped it.
 My IOS system is updated to the last version, while my Iphone is 4.
 Some suggestions or ideas?
 Where I'm making mistake?
 
 Thank you.
 
 Mario.
 
 At 18:33 02/07/2013, Alan Paganelli wrote:
 I like shut the box chrome.  It's a maddening little game.  I won't spoil
the surprise by telling you about it but I will say it's totally accessible
and free.
 
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Re: stb chrome

2013-07-04 Thread Ann Byrne

Can you label the buttons with VoiceOver?
At 12:04 PM 7/4/2013, you wrote:
I play this game a lot, and have memorized the buttons in order from 
1 to 9.  I just have to count each time, which is a bit annoying, but doable.

God bless!
Paula and Babe

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Alan Paganelli

Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Action games for iOS devices

There was an update to this game not long ago.  I haven't played it 
in awhile.  So when I read the trouble others are having, I decided 
to try mine.  What ever they did, the game went from accessible to 
not accessible.  To bad too because it was one of those games that 
seems to be pretty simple.  It is until you try it.  Then you find 
yourself saying things like ok one more time!  Sorry friends but it 
was accessible.  I'm disappointed that now it isn't.

- Original Message -
From: mailto:merma...@bellsouth.netDonna
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.comviphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Action games for iOS devices

I have this same problem with STB chrome. The problem seems to come 
and go without any reason. I have been able to just  work around the 
game. After rolling the dice when you go through the boxes and VO 
announces the boxes as being labled as T1, T2, T3 etc this is the 
same as when VO will announce the boxes as properly labeled 1-9. So 
in my observation of playing the game on a daily basis and the game 
responding differently with VO with any game play on any given day I 
can say that this is a flaw in the game itself. You could try 
clearing the game from the app switcher before opening the game to 
play. This helps sometimes but isn't a cure all fix.


Happy rolling!

Donna

On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Mario Barbuto 
mailto:barb...@cavazza.itbarb...@cavazza.it wrote:


  Hi Alan,

 I installed STB Chrome that promises to be a very funny game.
 Unfortunately, something must be wrong in my actions because I 
cannot read the values the nine buttons assume after you tap on each of them.

 In fact, running the game from scratch, the nine buttons are labeled as
 Mechanical clock T1 to mechanical clock T9.
 After I roll the dice and get its  total result, every following 
tap on one of the nine buttons produce the tapped button itself 
changes its label and it simply becomes Button.
 I didn't find any right way to know the numeric value of each 
button, after having tapped it.

 My IOS system is updated to the last version, while my Iphone is 4.
 Some suggestions or ideas?
 Where I'm making mistake?

 Thank you.

 Mario.

 At 18:33 02/07/2013, Alan Paganelli wrote:
 I like shut the box chrome.  It's a maddening little game.  I 
won't spoil the surprise by telling you about it but I will say 
it's totally accessible and free.


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Re: Sendero's i-phone gps app

2013-07-04 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I'm not sure everything in the attached message is correct. For example, 
I'm not sure where Seeing Eye is marketing this as a free application. 
On their web site at 
http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm it says



Can I try the app before purchasing? A trial version is not currently 
available. It is available for a 1 year subscription for $69 or a 3 year 
subscription for $129.


Also, I don't think it's true that most GPS systems do not require a 
data connection. Other than Navigon and maybe TomTom, all of the GPS 
apps I can think of (Apple, Google, MapQuest, Motion X GPS) all require 
a data connection, so the Seeing Eye app is no different than these apps 
in that respect.


True you might be out of luck if Seeing Eye goes out of business, but 
this is true for any company, and it's not clear to me that the service 
would automatically stop working. I was under the impression that the 
map data was coming from another source. Sure, you wouldn't be able to 
sign up again if Seeing Eye went out of business, but I'm not sure you 
wouldn't get your full subscriptions worth. Besides, this is no 
different than any other product using this model.


I don't have a problem with someone not liking the app or how it's being 
marketed or sold, but I think it's a disservice to misconstrue the facts 
to make a point.


On 07/04/2013 04:03 AM, Joanne Chua wrote:

Hi all,

Below message might e interest for some of you.

Regards
Joanne (AU)


From: Greg Kearney
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:44:18 +0800
Subject: Sendero's i-phone gps app


I downloaded this app by tricking my phone into thinking it was in the
U.S. and that I could buy things from the U.S. app store. I have
serious issues with the way this app is being marketed which I feel is
deceptive and amounts to a bait and switch. These concerns have
nothing to do with the fact that the app does not support navigation
outside of North America, which is why it is at the moment only
offered in the U.S. app store.

My issue come from the fact that the app is promoted as a free
download, which in fact it is. What the developer fail to tell you is
that while you can download the app for free the app will be useless
to you unless you buy the subscription for $70 a year. So, in fact,
the app is not free at all and unlike other GPS solutions the app will
cost you money each year to keep it running. Should the company go out
of business the app becomes worthless. Also you are going to be at the
mercy of the company as far as pricing goes. Once you have this app
you will need to continue to pay each year for the ability to use it.
While other apps do use the idea of in app buy in those app do as a
rule offer some, all be it limited, functions in the free version.
This is not the case here.

The other issue that the app is completely dependent on data from the
internet and so unlike many GSP applications will require that you
have a data connection on your phone at all times. If you attempt to
use this app outside of areas with data service the app will simply
stop working. This would pose a real issue in regional, rural and
outback Australia where data and sometimes even phone coverage is not
available. Not only will you be paying the $70 a year but you will be
using up your phone data demands as well.

Given these fact I think that we would do well to remember the maxim:
caveat emptor, let the buyer beware.

Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA


Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this
right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to
seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and
regardless of frontiers.
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Re: Tagging

2013-07-04 Thread Fred Olver

What is the purpose of tagging?

Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: Stacy Fuehrer precious0...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Tagging


Jim, yes, it is very possible to tag people with the facebook app.  When you 
want to tag, flick right, out of the text field where you are writing your 
post.  you will see several options, one of which is choose friends.  Double 
tap this and your friends list will appear.  once you find the friend you 
want to tag, double tap their name.  if you want to tag multiple people, 
continue double tapping on names in the list.  When you are finished with 
selecting your friends, there is a done button near the top of the list, 
double tap this and you will be taken back to the text field where you were 
writing.

hth,
Stacy

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Jim Portillo portillo@gmail.com wrote:


Hi there,

Could someone tell me if it's possible to tag people using the IPhone 
facebook app? If so, how do I go about doing that when writing my status?

Jim


Sent from my iPhone 5.

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Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?

2013-07-04 Thread Gabe Vega
I do my bread crum type marking and all the important points around my 
apartments and at a local park using the Ariadne gps app.


On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 9:22:29 AM UTC-7, Eileen wrote:

 Hello, 

 For those who might have been a tester for this app or for those who have 
 already purchased it, I would like to know if you can set or create a 
 manual 
 route like in the BrailleNote version. I was hoping not to take my 
 BrailleNote with me camping, but this feature would be helpful when on a 
 trail or want to set a route from the camp site to the restrooms. 

 Thanks in advance. 

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Re: Location Services with Tap Tap See- where did you find them?

2013-07-04 Thread Donna
Location services can be found

Settings
Privacy
Swipedown to Location Services and double tap
Swipe down to Tap Tap See and double to toggle on Location Services. 

Donna

On Jul 4, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Don  Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net 
wrote:

 Can't find them inside the app- were they hidden somewhere on the licensing 
 screen at first use? I only saw accept and decline buttons there. .
  
 Thanks, Cher
  
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Re: Action games for iOS devices

2013-07-04 Thread Mario Barbuto

Thank you, Donna!
I guess it's better to renounce for the moment.

Alan, please, don't apologize...
The programer of the game should do it, instead...

Mario.

At 16.15 04/07/2013, you wrote:
I have this same problem with STB chrome. The problem seems to come 
and go without any reason. I have been able to just  work around the 
game. After rolling the dice when you go through the boxes and VO 
announces the boxes as being labled as T1, T2, T3 etc this is the 
same as when VO will announce the boxes as properly labeled 1-9. So 
in my observation of playing the game on a daily basis and the game 
responding differently with VO with any game play on any given day I 
can say that this is a flaw in the game itself. You could try 
clearing the game from the app switcher before opening the game to 
play. This helps sometimes but isn't a cure all fix.


Happy rolling!

Donna





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Re: Australian English

2013-07-04 Thread RobH!
I thought I set a regional setting to Australia and put up with all the 
other quirks, like google.com.au for example.   But it also know's I'm here 
and sets time correctly, so I don't worry.
- Original Message - 
From: Scott Duck l...@csdconsulting.biz
To: iPhone List viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 1:28 PM
Subject: Australian English


Hi Everyone,

I am thinking about changing my Voice Over voice to Australian English
because she doesn't sound like she's angry with you like Samantha does.  I
can select Australian English in the language rotor but it uses the compact
voice.  I believe that, in order to download the high quality voice, I will
have to change it in the language settings (under settings  general 
international  language) rather than in the Voice Over language rotor.
However, Australian English is not listed in the language options.  I know
that it has to be possible because I have heard podcasts in which Australian
English was used with Voice Over.  What am I missing?

Thanks,

Scott Duck

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Re: how to find the Sendero Seeing Eye GPS app?

2013-07-04 Thread Christopher Chaltain

I'm not sure what message or thread you're replying to, but two things.

First, there are ways a trial could be offered, and I think they've 
already been described on this list. They could offer a lite version, 
although I don't know how they'd cripple it to show off the features and 
yet still encourage people to pay for the full version. They could also 
offer a subscription for a few days or weeks instead of one year. They 
could use the same mechanism they have now for people to buy the one or 
three year subscription.


Second, someone made the point on this list that offering a free trial 
would be stupid for Seeing Eye and would end up being a waste of money. 
This is a very different point than the fact that it may not be 
allowable within Apple's terms and conditions.


On 07/03/2013 10:20 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Well, opinions aside, Apple doesn't allow for free trials of the full app; so 
it won't happen unless that policy changes.

Mary

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Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?

2013-07-04 Thread Sharonda Greenlaw
I do understand the clock interface. However when I try to locate the trashcan, 
it said it was at 1 o'clock and it actually was at 11 o'clock. That is, it was 
closer to my left hand than  to my right hand.

Sent from my iPhone; please excuse all mistakes 

On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:

 It sounds like you are holding the phone correctly. Imagine yourself in the 
 center of the clock face. Twelve o'clock should be straight in front of you. 
 Six o'clock should be directly behind, etc.
 I
 use this app all the time, mainly I use it to locate our car in parking lots, 
 and do not  have this problem. 
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would definitely love to hear everyone's feedback, as I have
 downloaded the lite version of this app. It occurred to me that I
 could use this to find important places within my apartment complex
 i.e. the trash bin; the laundry room, the mailbox, etc.--seeing I'm
 pretty new here. I also had the clock issues that Sandra pointed out.
 Please shed light on what I'm doing wrong. I have the phone in front
 of me with the home button toward me. Thank you!
 
 Sharonda
 
 On 7/4/13, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Sieghard,
 
   I wonder if you can help re this, My Way Light: I fired it up last night
 and took a stroll around the house, putting in markers. I should explain
 that we have enough land here to mark places, sometimes at a distance of,
 say, 100 yards. I marked gates, steps, back doors etc. However, the clock
 directions seemed to be diametrically opposite to the reality. So, if it
 said 3-O-Clock it was infact at 9.
 
   This was so much so, that I thought, perhaps I am imagining this virtual
 clock from a wrong perspective? I assume, being new to the notion of using
 clock references, that I am in the centre of the clock face? What ever I am
 doing wrong, it makes this app useless for me, but I would love to get it
 right.
 
   Any hints most gratefully received.
   Sandy.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 4 Jul 2013, at 03:29, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Louise and Eileen,
 
 I have the paid version of MyWay Classic and I used it last year on Maui
 to
 set a few routes on the campground I was on since my tent was rather far
 away from the washroom and the showers were yet again in a different
 place
 and both routes involved a few mostly 90 degree left and right turns.
 MyWay
 Classic works super well for this and to my knowledge the Light version
 should do this particular thing just as well and without restrictions. I
 believe the restrictions have to do with importing/sharing stuff etc. I
 do
 sometimes wish developers were more descriptive with their light versions
 since often the description of a paid and Light app are the same and the
 limitations are not explained well.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Louise Redsull
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:16 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?
 
 I'd be interested in hearing your experiences as well as I'm looking for
 an
 app to do a similar thing when I go camping next month.
 
 Louise.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Eileens Misrahi
 Sent: 03 July 2013 4:29 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?
 
 Hi Mary,
 I would '
 be interested on your take of this app in the lite version option. If you
 want to contact me off list after using it, that would be great. Enjoy
 your
 outdoor camping trip.
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It looks like the difference between the classic and light versions of
 this myway app have to do with the ability to share points of interest
 via
 itunes and access pois in osm format. I got the light version to try this
 weekend. If it works with sufficient accuracy to be useful in a setting
 where there aren't defined roadways with sidewalks, entrances and all
 that
 good stuff, then I will pay the 15 bucks to support the developer.
 
 Mary
 
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: Tagging

2013-07-04 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Tagging someone at a location or in a picture will let them know, and 
maybe there friends, that they're at the location or in the picture. If 
you're somewhere with a group of friends, you may want to let your 
friends who couldn't make it know what they're missing out. If you put 
up a picture from a trip or a party, you may want to tag others in the 
picture so that they'll now know they have pictures with them in it on 
the web.


Facebook has some good information on line regarding tagging, why you 
would do it, how you would do it and addressing any security issues 
anyone may have about tagging. If you want to know more, I'd suggest 
taking a look over there. It's easy enough to find with Google.


On 07/04/2013 12:24 PM, Fred Olver wrote:

What is the purpose of tagging?

Fred Olver
- Original Message - From: Stacy Fuehrer precious0...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Tagging


Jim, yes, it is very possible to tag people with the facebook app.  When
you want to tag, flick right, out of the text field where you are
writing your post.  you will see several options, one of which is choose
friends.  Double tap this and your friends list will appear.  once you
find the friend you want to tag, double tap their name.  if you want to
tag multiple people, continue double tapping on names in the list.  When
you are finished with selecting your friends, there is a done button
near the top of the list, double tap this and you will be taken back to
the text field where you were writing.
hth,
Stacy

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Jim Portillo portillo@gmail.com wrote:


Hi there,

Could someone tell me if it's possible to tag people using the IPhone
facebook app? If so, how do I go about doing that when writing my status?
Jim


Sent from my iPhone 5.

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Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?

2013-07-04 Thread Sharonda Greenlaw
Good point gabe. . I forgot about Ariadne. I do have that app. I will try that 
as well. Thank you so much.

Sent from my iPhone; please excuse all mistakes 

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Gabe Vega theblindt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I do my bread crum type marking and all the important points around my 
 apartments and at a local park using the Ariadne gps app.
 
 
 On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 9:22:29 AM UTC-7, Eileen wrote:
 
 Hello, 
 
 For those who might have been a tester for this app or for those who have 
 already purchased it, I would like to know if you can set or create a manual 
 route like in the BrailleNote version. I was hoping not to take my 
 BrailleNote with me camping, but this feature would be helpful when on a 
 trail or want to set a route from the camp site to the restrooms. 
 
 Thanks in advance. 
 
 Eileen
 
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Re: stb chrome

2013-07-04 Thread Donna
No, when I tried the initial labeling works. Once the game is closed, for some 
reason the labeling of the boxes disappears. 

The way that VO announces the labeling of the boxes can be worked around. One 
either has to count each time VO says button or know that when VO says 
mechanical clock T1, mechanical clock T2 etc this is the way VO is announcing 
the label for each of the boxes. When VO says.dimmed this means that this 
number box has already been selected and played in the current game play. 

Yes all of this is a pain, but worth it for the agame play ability. 

Donna

On Jul 4, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Ann Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Can you label the buttons with VoiceOver?
 At 12:04 PM 7/4/2013, you wrote:
 I play this game a lot, and have memorized the buttons in order from 1 to 9. 
  I just have to count each time, which is a bit annoying, but doable.
 God bless!
 Paula and Babe
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Alan Paganelli
 Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 11:08 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Action games for iOS devices
 
 There was an update to this game not long ago.  I haven't played it in 
 awhile.  So when I read the trouble others are having, I decided to try 
 mine.  What ever they did, the game went from accessible to not accessible.  
 To bad too because it was one of those games that seems to be pretty simple. 
  It is until you try it.  Then you find yourself saying things like ok one 
 more time!  Sorry friends but it was accessible.  I'm disappointed that now 
 it isn't.
 - Original Message -
 From: mailto:merma...@bellsouth.netDonna
 To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.comviphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 7:15 AM
 Subject: Re: Action games for iOS devices
 
 I have this same problem with STB chrome. The problem seems to come and go 
 without any reason. I have been able to just  work around the game. After 
 rolling the dice when you go through the boxes and VO announces the boxes as 
 being labled as T1, T2, T3 etc this is the same as when VO will announce the 
 boxes as properly labeled 1-9. So in my observation of playing the game on a 
 daily basis and the game responding differently with VO with any game play 
 on any given day I can say that this is a flaw in the game itself. You could 
 try clearing the game from the app switcher before opening the game to play. 
 This helps sometimes but isn't a cure all fix.
 
 Happy rolling!
 
 Donna
 
 On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Mario Barbuto 
 mailto:barb...@cavazza.itbarb...@cavazza.it wrote:
 
   Hi Alan,
 
  I installed STB Chrome that promises to be a very funny game.
  Unfortunately, something must be wrong in my actions because I cannot read 
  the values the nine buttons assume after you tap on each of them.
  In fact, running the game from scratch, the nine buttons are labeled as
  Mechanical clock T1 to mechanical clock T9.
  After I roll the dice and get its  total result, every following tap on 
  one of the nine buttons produce the tapped button itself changes its label 
  and it simply becomes Button.
  I didn't find any right way to know the numeric value of each button, 
  after having tapped it.
  My IOS system is updated to the last version, while my Iphone is 4.
  Some suggestions or ideas?
  Where I'm making mistake?
 
  Thank you.
 
  Mario.
 
  At 18:33 02/07/2013, Alan Paganelli wrote:
  I like shut the box chrome.  It's a maddening little game.  I won't spoil 
  the surprise by telling you about it but I will say it's totally 
  accessible and free.
 
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Re: stb chrome

2013-07-04 Thread Donna
Oh and I want to add that after I relabeled the buttons, I did remember to save 
the labels. Still I experinced after closing the game, removing the game from 
the app switcher, then reopening the game, the buttons were no longer properly 
labeled. 

Donna

On Jul 4, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Donna merma...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 No, when I tried the initial labeling works. Once the game is closed, for 
 some reason the labeling of the boxes disappears. 
 
 The way that VO announces the labeling of the boxes can be worked around. One 
 either has to count each time VO says button or know that when VO says 
 mechanical clock T1, mechanical clock T2 etc this is the way VO is announcing 
 the label for each of the boxes. When VO says.dimmed this means that this 
 number box has already been selected and played in the current game play. 
 
 Yes all of this is a pain, but worth it for the agame play ability. 
 
 Donna
 
 On Jul 4, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Ann Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
 Can you label the buttons with VoiceOver?
 At 12:04 PM 7/4/2013, you wrote:
 I play this game a lot, and have memorized the buttons in order from 1 to 
 9.  I just have to count each time, which is a bit annoying, but doable.
 God bless!
 Paula and Babe
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Alan Paganelli
 Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 11:08 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Action games for iOS devices
 
 There was an update to this game not long ago.  I haven't played it in 
 awhile.  So when I read the trouble others are having, I decided to try 
 mine.  What ever they did, the game went from accessible to not accessible. 
  To bad too because it was one of those games that seems to be pretty 
 simple.  It is until you try it.  Then you find yourself saying things like 
 ok one more time!  Sorry friends but it was accessible.  I'm disappointed 
 that now it isn't.
 - Original Message -
 From: mailto:merma...@bellsouth.netDonna
 To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.comviphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 7:15 AM
 Subject: Re: Action games for iOS devices
 
 I have this same problem with STB chrome. The problem seems to come and go 
 without any reason. I have been able to just  work around the game. After 
 rolling the dice when you go through the boxes and VO announces the boxes 
 as being labled as T1, T2, T3 etc this is the same as when VO will announce 
 the boxes as properly labeled 1-9. So in my observation of playing the game 
 on a daily basis and the game responding differently with VO with any game 
 play on any given day I can say that this is a flaw in the game itself. You 
 could try clearing the game from the app switcher before opening the game 
 to play. This helps sometimes but isn't a cure all fix.
 
 Happy rolling!
 
 Donna
 
 On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Mario Barbuto 
 mailto:barb...@cavazza.itbarb...@cavazza.it wrote:
 
 Hi Alan,
 
 I installed STB Chrome that promises to be a very funny game.
 Unfortunately, something must be wrong in my actions because I cannot read 
 the values the nine buttons assume after you tap on each of them.
 In fact, running the game from scratch, the nine buttons are labeled as
 Mechanical clock T1 to mechanical clock T9.
 After I roll the dice and get its  total result, every following tap on 
 one of the nine buttons produce the tapped button itself changes its label 
 and it simply becomes Button.
 I didn't find any right way to know the numeric value of each button, 
 after having tapped it.
 My IOS system is updated to the last version, while my Iphone is 4.
 Some suggestions or ideas?
 Where I'm making mistake?
 
 Thank you.
 
 Mario.
 
 At 18:33 02/07/2013, Alan Paganelli wrote:
 I like shut the box chrome.  It's a maddening little game.  I won't spoil 
 the surprise by telling you about it but I will say it's totally 
 accessible and free.
 
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rebuying text grabber translator

2013-07-04 Thread zoe
Hi all, here's a doozy for you all.  Most of you probably know I bought an app 
that I wasn't happy with, and iTunes refunded me for the bad app.  Here's where 
the problem comes in, they made a mistake and refunded me the 99 cents that I 
paid for the abbyy text grabber  translator.  I told them I'm happy with that 
app and that I don't want a refund for that one.  Basically they told me sorry 
for the misunderstanding but the refund has all ready gone through, and now you 
need to rebuy the app because you won't be eligible for the updates.
I uninstalled the app from my iPhone 4s and tried installing it again but it 
doesn't ask me for money it just installs it self again.  Any ideas?  What 
should I do?  I want this app to work, and of course I want the updates for it.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Regards
Zoe

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Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?--if you could change the subject???

2013-07-04 Thread Ann Byrne

Chuck,

I always read what you write because it's so informative.  But it 
would re-e-e-e-e-e-eally help if the subject was related to the 
information.  I almost missed this one, because I didn't want to read 
more about the Sendero app till I get around to buying it.


At 12:44 PM 7/4/2013, you wrote:

I was answering a question someone had about MyWay Classic

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Ann Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Which app are you talking about?  Sendero, as the subject says?

 At 11:31 AM 7/4/2013, you wrote:
 You may also want to Try resetting the iphones compass by moving 
the phone in a figure 8 motion.


 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Sharonda Greenlaw 
sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote:


  I would definitely love to hear everyone's feedback, as I have
  downloaded the lite version of this app. It occurred to me that I
  could use this to find important places within my apartment complex
  i.e. the trash bin; the laundry room, the mailbox, etc.--seeing I'm
  pretty new here. I also had the clock issues that Sandra pointed out.
  Please shed light on what I'm doing wrong. I have the phone in front
  of me with the home button toward me. Thank you!
 
  Sharonda
 
  On 7/4/13, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:
  Hi Sieghard,
 
 I wonder if you can help re this, My Way Light: I fired it 
up last night
  and took a stroll around the house, putting in markers. I 
should explain
  that we have enough land here to mark places, sometimes at a 
distance of,
  say, 100 yards. I marked gates, steps, back doors etc. 
However, the clock
  directions seemed to be diametrically opposite to the 
reality. So, if it

  said 3-O-Clock it was infact at 9.
 
 This was so much so, that I thought, perhaps I am 
imagining this virtual
  clock from a wrong perspective? I assume, being new to the 
notion of using
  clock references, that I am in the centre of the clock face? 
What ever I am
  doing wrong, it makes this app useless for me, but I would 
love to get it

  right.
 
 Any hints most gratefully received.
 Sandy.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 4 Jul 2013, at 03:29, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
  Hi Louise and Eileen,
 
  I have the paid version of MyWay Classic and I used it last 
year on Maui

  to
  set a few routes on the campground I was on since my tent 
was rather far

  away from the washroom and the showers were yet again in a different
  place
  and both routes involved a few mostly 90 degree left and right turns.
  MyWay
  Classic works super well for this and to my knowledge the 
Light version
  should do this particular thing just as well and without 
restrictions. I
  believe the restrictions have to do with importing/sharing 
stuff etc. I

  do
  sometimes wish developers were more descriptive with their 
light versions
  since often the description of a paid and Light app are the 
same and the

  limitations are not explained well.
 
 
  Regards,
  Sieghard
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
  Behalf
  Of Louise Redsull
  Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:16 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?
 
  I'd be interested in hearing your experiences as well as I'm 
looking for

  an
  app to do a similar thing when I go camping next month.
 
  Louise.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
  Behalf
  Of Eileens Misrahi
  Sent: 03 July 2013 4:29 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?
 
  Hi Mary,
  I would '
  be interested on your take of this app in the lite version 
option. If you

  want to contact me off list after using it, that would be great. Enjoy
  your
  outdoor camping trip.
  Eileen
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  It looks like the difference between the classic and light 
versions of

  this myway app have to do with the ability to share points of interest
  via
  itunes and access pois in osm format. I got the light 
version to try this
  weekend. If it works with sufficient accuracy to be useful 
in a setting

  where there aren't defined roadways with sidewalks, entrances and all
  that
  good stuff, then I will pay the 15 bucks to support the developer.
 
  Mary
 
  Mary Otten
  motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: rebuying text grabber translator

2013-07-04 Thread Chuck Dean
If TextGrabber works, and the apps  are the same price, I would do nothing.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:10 AM, zoe fiog...@rogers.com wrote:

 Hi all, here's a doozy for you all.  Most of you probably know I bought an 
 app that I wasn't happy with, and iTunes refunded me for the bad app.  Here's 
 where the problem comes in, they made a mistake and refunded me the 99 cents 
 that I paid for the abbyy text grabber  translator.  I told them I'm happy 
 with that app and that I don't want a refund for that one.  Basically they 
 told me sorry for the misunderstanding but the refund has all ready gone 
 through, and now you need to rebuy the app because you won't be eligible for 
 the updates.
 I uninstalled the app from my iPhone 4s and tried installing it again but it 
 doesn't ask me for money it just installs it self again.  Any ideas?  What 
 should I do?  I want this app to work, and of course I want the updates for 
 it.
 Any help is greatly appreciated.
 Regards
 Zoe
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Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?--if you could change the subject???

2013-07-04 Thread Chuck Dean
Sorry for the confusion, this is one of the problems with hijacking threads.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Ann Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Chuck,
 
 I always read what you write because it's so informative.  But it would 
 re-e-e-e-e-e-eally help if the subject was related to the information.  I 
 almost missed this one, because I didn't want to read more about the Sendero 
 app till I get around to buying it.
 
 At 12:44 PM 7/4/2013, you wrote:
 I was answering a question someone had about MyWay Classic
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Ann Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  Which app are you talking about?  Sendero, as the subject says?
 
  At 11:31 AM 7/4/2013, you wrote:
  You may also want to Try resetting the iphones compass by moving the 
  phone in a figure 8 motion.
 
  Chuck (mobile)
  Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
  On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
 
   I would definitely love to hear everyone's feedback, as I have
   downloaded the lite version of this app. It occurred to me that I
   could use this to find important places within my apartment complex
   i.e. the trash bin; the laundry room, the mailbox, etc.--seeing I'm
   pretty new here. I also had the clock issues that Sandra pointed out.
   Please shed light on what I'm doing wrong. I have the phone in front
   of me with the home button toward me. Thank you!
  
   Sharonda
  
   On 7/4/13, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:
   Hi Sieghard,
  
  I wonder if you can help re this, My Way Light: I fired it up last 
   night
   and took a stroll around the house, putting in markers. I should 
   explain
   that we have enough land here to mark places, sometimes at a distance 
   of,
   say, 100 yards. I marked gates, steps, back doors etc. However, the 
   clock
   directions seemed to be diametrically opposite to the reality. So, if 
   it
   said 3-O-Clock it was infact at 9.
  
  This was so much so, that I thought, perhaps I am imagining this 
   virtual
   clock from a wrong perspective? I assume, being new to the notion of 
   using
   clock references, that I am in the centre of the clock face? What ever 
   I am
   doing wrong, it makes this app useless for me, but I would love to get 
   it
   right.
  
  Any hints most gratefully received.
  Sandy.
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
   On 4 Jul 2013, at 03:29, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
  
   Hi Louise and Eileen,
  
   I have the paid version of MyWay Classic and I used it last year on 
   Maui
   to
   set a few routes on the campground I was on since my tent was rather 
   far
   away from the washroom and the showers were yet again in a different
   place
   and both routes involved a few mostly 90 degree left and right turns.
   MyWay
   Classic works super well for this and to my knowledge the Light 
   version
   should do this particular thing just as well and without 
   restrictions. I
   believe the restrictions have to do with importing/sharing stuff etc. 
   I
   do
   sometimes wish developers were more descriptive with their light 
   versions
   since often the description of a paid and Light app are the same and 
   the
   limitations are not explained well.
  
  
   Regards,
   Sieghard
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Louise Redsull
   Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:16 AM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: RE: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?
  
   I'd be interested in hearing your experiences as well as I'm looking 
   for
   an
   app to do a similar thing when I go camping next month.
  
   Louise.
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Eileens Misrahi
   Sent: 03 July 2013 4:29 PM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Can You Set Manual Routes With Sendero Groups?
  
   Hi Mary,
   I would '
   be interested on your take of this app in the lite version option. If 
   you
   want to contact me off list after using it, that would be great. Enjoy
   your
   outdoor camping trip.
   Eileen
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
   On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   It looks like the difference between the classic and light versions 
   of
   this myway app have to do with the ability to share points of interest
   via
   itunes and access pois in osm format. I got the light version to try 
   this
   weekend. If it works with sufficient accuracy to be useful in a 
   setting
   where there aren't defined roadways with sidewalks, entrances and all
   that
   good stuff, then I will pay the 15 bucks to support the developer.
  
   Mary
  
   Mary Otten
   motte...@gmail.com
  
  
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Re: rebuying text grabber translator

2013-07-04 Thread Fred Olver
if you are getting the app for free, you'll probably get the updates as well. 
Leave well enough alone unless you don't find updates in a month or so. I'll 
try to let you know when there's an update to either one of these since I at 
least have text-grabber.

Fred Olver
  - Original Message - 
  From: zoe 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 1:10 PM
  Subject: rebuying text grabber  translator


  Hi all, here's a doozy for you all.  Most of you probably know I bought an 
app that I wasn't happy with, and iTunes refunded me for the bad app.  Here's 
where the problem comes in, they made a mistake and refunded me the 99 cents 
that I paid for the abbyy text grabber  translator.  I told them I'm happy 
with that app and that I don't want a refund for that one.  Basically they told 
me sorry for the misunderstanding but the refund has all ready gone through, 
and now you need to rebuy the app because you won't be eligible for the 
updates.
  I uninstalled the app from my iPhone 4s and tried installing it again but it 
doesn't ask me for money it just installs it self again.  Any ideas?  What 
should I do?  I want this app to work, and of course I want the updates for it.
  Any help is greatly appreciated.
  Regards
  Zoe
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Re: stb chrome

2013-07-04 Thread Alan Paganelli
I've had the same experience.  Oh well.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Donna 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:53 AM
  Subject: Re: stb chrome


  Oh and I want to add that after I relabeled the buttons, I did remember to 
save the labels. Still I experinced after closing the game, removing the game 
from the app switcher, then reopening the game, the buttons were no longer 
properly labeled. 

  Donna

  On Jul 4, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Donna merma...@bellsouth.net wrote:

   No, when I tried the initial labeling works. Once the game is closed, for 
some reason the labeling of the boxes disappears. 
   
   The way that VO announces the labeling of the boxes can be worked around. 
One either has to count each time VO says button or know that when VO says 
mechanical clock T1, mechanical clock T2 etc this is the way VO is announcing 
the label for each of the boxes. When VO says.dimmed this means that this 
number box has already been selected and played in the current game play. 
   
   Yes all of this is a pain, but worth it for the agame play ability. 
   
   Donna
   
   On Jul 4, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Ann Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
   
   Can you label the buttons with VoiceOver?
   At 12:04 PM 7/4/2013, you wrote:
   I play this game a lot, and have memorized the buttons in order from 1 to 
9.  I just have to count each time, which is a bit annoying, but doable.
   God bless!
   Paula and Babe
   
   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
   Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 11:08 AM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Action games for iOS devices
   
   There was an update to this game not long ago.  I haven't played it in 
awhile.  So when I read the trouble others are having, I decided to try mine.  
What ever they did, the game went from accessible to not accessible.  To bad 
too because it was one of those games that seems to be pretty simple.  It is 
until you try it.  Then you find yourself saying things like ok one more time!  
Sorry friends but it was accessible.  I'm disappointed that now it isn't.
   - Original Message -
   From: mailto:merma...@bellsouth.netDonna
   To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.comviphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 7:15 AM
   Subject: Re: Action games for iOS devices
   
   I have this same problem with STB chrome. The problem seems to come and 
go without any reason. I have been able to just  work around the game. After 
rolling the dice when you go through the boxes and VO announces the boxes as 
being labled as T1, T2, T3 etc this is the same as when VO will announce the 
boxes as properly labeled 1-9. So in my observation of playing the game on a 
daily basis and the game responding differently with VO with any game play on 
any given day I can say that this is a flaw in the game itself. You could try 
clearing the game from the app switcher before opening the game to play. This 
helps sometimes but isn't a cure all fix.
   
   Happy rolling!
   
   Donna
   
   On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Mario Barbuto 
mailto:barb...@cavazza.itbarb...@cavazza.it wrote:
   
   Hi Alan,
   
   I installed STB Chrome that promises to be a very funny game.
   Unfortunately, something must be wrong in my actions because I cannot 
read the values the nine buttons assume after you tap on each of them.
   In fact, running the game from scratch, the nine buttons are labeled as
   Mechanical clock T1 to mechanical clock T9.
   After I roll the dice and get its  total result, every following tap on 
one of the nine buttons produce the tapped button itself changes its label and 
it simply becomes Button.
   I didn't find any right way to know the numeric value of each button, 
after having tapped it.
   My IOS system is updated to the last version, while my Iphone is 4.
   Some suggestions or ideas?
   Where I'm making mistake?
   
   Thank you.
   
   Mario.
   
   At 18:33 02/07/2013, Alan Paganelli wrote:
   I like shut the box chrome.  It's a maddening little game.  I won't 
spoil the surprise by telling you about it but I will say it's totally 
accessible and free.
   
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Re: iphone and printer

2013-07-04 Thread Eileens Misrahi
Hi Buddy,
I have an app called Print Central. I am able to access the gerneric text 
port where my Juliette Pro 60 is connected. I tried to emboss a small doc from 
the app, but the issue I found is that it needs to be translated into a brf 
file to get it to emboss. I would need to see how OpenBook handles the ability 
to emboss directly from it. May be you can shed some light on this for me? 

Thanks.

Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 12:39 AM, buddy liverman bu...@samobile.net wrote:

 This is a strange post so bear with me. I would like to print in braille from 
 my Iphone to my Juliet Printer, i posted this because i don't know where else 
 to ask. someone give me info what i need to use with my Juliet, I know i can 
 emboss with open Book, what else do i need? thanks Buddy. I am sorry if this 
 is not necessarily related to my Iphone. thanks
 
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RE: Seeing I GPS

2013-07-04 Thread Rose Combs
Trust me, I have had to buy a couple of things shopping that I had no idea
what they would look like when they arrived, once satisfied,  couple of
times not so satisfied, but that is just me. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing I GPS

What do most of us totally blind people do when purchasing something off of
the INTERNET? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at with this
statement.

I'll very seldom purchase an application if I can't take it for a spin first
myself, and in general I've been able to do this. If I can't try it myself
first then I'll rely on reviews, demos and podcasts. I'm not sure how a
sighted person would do this any differently. Maybe you're talking about how
a sighted person can see a picture of a product on line before buying it or
take a peek at some screen shots, but when I've asked my sighted family for
help or watched them purchase things on line, this doesn't seem to help too
much!

I don't like the house analogy myself, the difference in price is just too
great, as is the time commitment. Actually I find analogies in these types
of arguments to be pretty useless myself. They always seem like a one sided
stretch, but i understand that's the point. I do agree though that for
myself I'll need a trial/demo or a really convincing review or podcast
before I'll purchase this app.

On 07/03/2013 01:31 PM, Rose Combs wrote:
 I don't know, most of us who are totally blind do just that when 
 purchasing anything off the internet.

 Only problem with pricing that I see and this won't matter to me but I 
 think maybe there should have been a monthly or six-month subscription
plan.
 Probably will have it on my phone this weekend some time.  Then I can 
 dump something that has never worked well for me.


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Joseph
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:57 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Seeing I GPS

 Hello,
 Yes, you can download the app for free. However, without signing up 
 for a payed subscription 1 or 3 years, you will not be able to see 
 anything about the app. You will not be able to see the layout of the 
 app, how the interface looks or anything else.
 At this point in time, I will not purchase the app because of this 
 situation. That's like saying, here's a house for you to purchase, but 
 you cant take a look at it till after you purchase.
 At the least, they could have let potential subscribers see what the 
 app looks like.
 Until this changes, I'll not be a purchaser.
 JMO.


 Did you ever realize that the more you know, the more you realize you 
 don't know?

 My wood shop teacher from many years ago, gave me this little bit of 
 knowledge. However, he never did tell me where he got it from.

 Sent from my Sprint iPhone 4S.

 On Jul 2, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hello,

 You are correct when you go into the app store. However, this is a 
 paid app, which is access within the app. As others have stated, a 
 one year subscription is $69 and 3 years subscription is 129. HTH.

 Eileen

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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of David Gross
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:28 PM
 To: Viphone
 Subject: Seeing I GPS

 Previous posters discussing this app have stated it has a 
 subscription
 fee.
 When I went into the store, it said the app was free. I am confused.
 Please clarify. Thank you

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RE: Foursquare accessibility

2013-07-04 Thread Rose Combs
Would someone write me here or in private to tell me about foursquare!  I
want to know why I should consider using it, as it seems a couple of my GPS
use it and one won't let me save a favorite without it.  

Please send private replies to: 

roseco...@q.com 

This list is the only thing that should go to my Gmail address, thank you.  


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Wayne Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 2:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Foursquare accessibility

I am not sure on that one. However, since I don't have a picture associated
with my Four Square account, the mayorships don't interest me all that much.

Regards,
Wayne

On 7/3/13, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 Hi Wayne, but I don't think you can earn mayorships with third party 
 apps can you?
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org

 On 4/07/2013, at 6:11 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have you tried using the check In button that is right above the home 
 button, in the middle of the bottom of the screen? Also, if all you 
 want to do is check in and find out how many points you got, you 
 might try using the free app called Checkie. It makes checking into 
 your favorite venue tons easier.

 Regards,
 WAyne Merritt

 On 7/3/13, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all. I have the latest version of foursquare, and am finding 
 that I cannot check in. When I Double tap on the check in button, 
 nothing happens.
 In earlier versions, it gave me a list of locations to check into. 
 Am my doing something wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 Hope

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Hijacking threads again from a group member's perspective

2013-07-04 Thread 'Richard Turner'
In the last few days, things have truly gotten out of control.

Messages with subject lines about the Sendero Seeing Eye app end up talking
about completely different topics; messages with subject lines about tap tap
see feedback are actually about the regular camera app and on and on it
goes.

 

This is truly annoying on a list as busy as this one, 

 

It does not take a rocket scientist to start a new message with an
appropriate subject line.

 

If you do not understand what it means to hijack a thread it means
replying to a message and going off on a different subject than that of the
message to which you are replying.

 

Even choosing to reply to a message, then changing the subject line does not
help because those of us who have our messages organized by thread, still
get that message sorted into the group that match the original subject line.

 

So, if you what to talk about a topic that is different than the original
thread, take the extra few seconds and hit compose instead of reply.

 

Be thankful I am not a moderator because I would simply cancel people's
access to the list after a couple warnings.  Raul and Cara have given many,
many warnings about this issue, one as recent as last week.

 

If it wasn't for the people who continue to give good, helpful information
on this list I would unsubscribe to keep from having to spend most of my
time hitting the delete key, which is what I do now.

 

Richard

 

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Re: rebuying text grabber translator

2013-07-04 Thread zoe
I would appreciate that because i did by the app for 99 cents just recently 
when it went on sale.  The app does seem to work, it's just itunes telling me i 
won't be entitled to updates.  So ok we'll see when the updates come.  If you 
remember please let me know about an update.
Thanks again.
Regards
Zoe
- Original Message - 
From: Fred Olver 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: rebuying text grabber  translator


if you are getting the app for free, you'll probably get the updates as well. 
Leave well enough alone unless you don't find updates in a month or so. I'll 
try to let you know when there's an update to either one of these since I at 
least have text-grabber.

Fred Olver
  - Original Message - 
  From: zoe 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 1:10 PM
  Subject: rebuying text grabber  translator


  Hi all, here's a doozy for you all.  Most of you probably know I bought an 
app that I wasn't happy with, and iTunes refunded me for the bad app.  Here's 
where the problem comes in, they made a mistake and refunded me the 99 cents 
that I paid for the abbyy text grabber  translator.  I told them I'm happy 
with that app and that I don't want a refund for that one.  Basically they told 
me sorry for the misunderstanding but the refund has all ready gone through, 
and now you need to rebuy the app because you won't be eligible for the 
updates.
  I uninstalled the app from my iPhone 4s and tried installing it again but it 
doesn't ask me for money it just installs it self again.  Any ideas?  What 
should I do?  I want this app to work, and of course I want the updates for it.
  Any help is greatly appreciated.
  Regards
  Zoe
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RE: another great thing about prizmo

2013-07-04 Thread Richard Turner
There should be a way to save if you are using the latest Prizmo.

At the very least, you should be able to copy and paste it into another app,
or email it.
I've not had to do that with a PDF, but there is an option to save when you
go through the create new document steps when scanning a document.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Mitchell
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 1:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: another great thing about prizmo

Today, I got a pdf converted it to text using prizmo, and then I 
filled out the form.  It was fantastic, but I do have a question.  
Is there a way to save the document?
Also, is there a way to create an electronic signature so a blind 
person can sign a form electronically?
Steph

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Re: Hijacking threads again from a group member's perspective

2013-07-04 Thread Les Kriegler
Hi Richard,

I'm really glad you posted this.  Until recently, I didn't understand that 
replying to a message and changing the subject line would still cause problems 
with the original thread.  So your reminder on this particular matter is really 
helpful.  I guess until recently, I didn't understand how threads actually work.

Les
On Jul 4, 2013, at 3:38 PM, 'Richard Turner' richard.turne...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 In the last few days, things have truly gotten out of control.
 Messages with subject lines about the Sendero Seeing Eye app end up talking 
 about completely different topics; messages with subject lines about tap tap 
 see feedback are actually about the regular camera app and on and on it goes.
  
 This is truly annoying on a list as busy as this one,
  
 It does not take a rocket scientist to start a new message with an 
 appropriate subject line.
  
 If you do not understand what it means to “hijack a thread” it means replying 
 to a message and going off on a different subject than that of the message to 
 which you are replying.
  
 Even choosing to reply to a message, then changing the subject line does not 
 help because those of us who have our messages organized by thread, still get 
 that message sorted into the group that match the original subject line.
  
 So, if you what to talk about a topic that is different than the original 
 thread, take the extra few seconds and hit compose instead of reply.
  
 Be thankful I am not a moderator because I would simply cancel people’s 
 access to the list after a couple warnings.  Raul and Cara have given many, 
 many warnings about this issue, one as recent as last week.
  
 If it wasn’t for the people who continue to give good, helpful information on 
 this list I would unsubscribe to keep from having to spend most of my time 
 hitting the delete key, which is what I do now.
  
 Richard
  
 
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RE: Apple Maps vs. Seeing Eye

2013-07-04 Thread Rose Combs
Based on one short trip to a local restaurant, it is seamless to find a POI.
It directed us where we wanted to  go, but, due to complications, while we
were eating our meal my battery went dead so I did not use it going home.
It was at 100% when I left home, but I was using Bluetooth earphone and the
seeing app and we had some minor problems on the way to the restaurant so it
took longer than expected.  

 

Does anyone know, I hoped that I saved my registration but, my husband had
the phone while I was typing on the Bluetooth keyboard so I am not sure.  I
know you should be able to check under settings, but when I press
subscription it goes nowhere, hoping it means it is registered.  

 

Still learning a lot, only went less than a mile from home but since it is
101 degrees out there I don't feel like doing more tests today.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:41 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: Apple Maps vs. Seeing Eye

 

I noticed in the Users Guide there were 3 ways to get POIs - NavTech,
FourSquare, and OSM.

 

Does this mean we have to look for POIs in 3 different ways, or should this
be seamless to the end-user?

 

I use BlindSquare, but not FourSquare. Would I need to sign up with
FourSquare to use FourSquare POIs within the Seeying Eye GPS app?

 

Thanks. Keith

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Maps vs. Seeing Eye

 

To alleviate your concerns somewhat, the maps in the Seeing I app are not
stored on your phone at all. They are stored in the cloud so presumably they
are updated regularly on the servers themselves. Thus, you don't have the
same problem that you have with other conventional GPS applications of
having to download map updates to your phone. I hope this helps.

Bob Fenton

 

Sent from my iPhone


On 2013-07-03, at 7:29 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, for those of you familiar with both the new Seeing Eye GPS app and the
core Maps app, can you lay out the differences? I understand turn by turn
walking directions are not available until iOS 7. Anything else? My biggest
concern with the Seeing Eye app is the longevity of the maps. I don't want
to pay an annual subscription only to be stuck with only annual map updates.
Mind you, I don't know that this is the case, just an observation from using
previous Sendero products.

 

Joe 

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RE: Apple Maps vs. Seeing Eye

2013-07-04 Thread Rose Combs
Well, when I bought Look Around from Sendero one of the first apps I bought,
I was looking for a church near home.  It thought Church's chicken was a
church and entirely missed St. Daniel's Catholic church which is nearly in
my front yard.  I got a laugh out of the chicken , after church maybe!  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Maps vs. Seeing Eye

 

I am not  sure it is automatic, you choose which source you want to use. You
are not using all three at once. Four Square are people contributed and may
not always be that helpful. Near my office is a park that is owned by a
church. The park has an iffy reputation. It's name is Saint Francis Park.
In four square you get Dirty, Scary Church Park.

Entertaining perhaps but not overly useful.


Richard

(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)


On Jul 3, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:

Other then subscribing to the app, and registering it, you do not have to
sign up for anything. It uses foursquare's points of interest, but you do
not have to sign into foursquare. Everything is automatic.

Chuck (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Jul 3, 2013, at 6:41 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:

I noticed in the Users Guide there were 3 ways to get POIs - NavTech,
FourSquare, and OSM.

 

Does this mean we have to look for POIs in 3 different ways, or should this
be seamless to the end-user?

 

I use BlindSquare, but not FourSquare. Would I need to sign up with
FourSquare to use FourSquare POIs within the Seeying Eye GPS app?

 

Thanks. Keith

 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Maps vs. Seeing Eye

 

To alleviate your concerns somewhat, the maps in the Seeing I app are not
stored on your phone at all. They are stored in the cloud so presumably they
are updated regularly on the servers themselves. Thus, you don't have the
same problem that you have with other conventional GPS applications of
having to download map updates to your phone. I hope this helps.

Bob Fenton

 

Sent from my iPhone


On 2013-07-03, at 7:29 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, for those of you familiar with both the new Seeing Eye GPS app and the
core Maps app, can you lay out the differences? I understand turn by turn
walking directions are not available until iOS 7. Anything else? My biggest
concern with the Seeing Eye app is the longevity of the maps. I don't want
to pay an annual subscription only to be stuck with only annual map updates.
Mind you, I don't know that this is the case, just an observation from using
previous Sendero products.

 

Joe 

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RE: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

2013-07-04 Thread Rose Combs
Thanks, I bought it this morning, and used it to have breakfast at a local
restaurant, see previous note on my experience.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

Hi Rose,

I would check Applevis every now and then to see if somebody did a
comprehensive Podcast on Seeing Eye GPS, I am sure there will be one sooner
rather than later, but keep in mind that the app was only released yesterday
and beta testers were probably obligated to keep their mouth shut until the
official release.

I also think that changing the price may well be possible, if enough people
request a one or two week trial subscription for maybe $10 or so, Sendero
might very well do this. I personally have a lot of confidence in Sendero
and their ability to produce an outstanding app which will become more
feature rich as time goes by. I downloaded the app and the only reason why I
haven't registered/subscribed yet is because I am currently not going
anywhere and don't really need it. After I paid for the $3,400 ACL surgery
my guide dog had a couple of months ago I'll buy it so I can start learning
how to make the most from it. I guess he had the physical pain, I'm dealing
with how much that hurts my bank account and toys/travel budget *smile*


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

You know, I wish more people who have tried the app would weigh in, we can't
change the pricing, we will all need to decide what meets our needs, so why
can't we actually focus on what the app does or does not do, yes, I read the
manual, it might help some who are sort of sitting on the fence to hear more
about how the app is being used.  



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

Hi:
Regardless of whether I would or would not buy an app, I would prefer to get
a copy without all the bells and whistles than have to wait six months or
another year to get a full featured version. The Kindle app, Flexy, and
several others are good examples of my point. At the same time however I
would not spend $70 for an app which I can't test in advance.

On 7/2/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 Eric,

 I understand what you're saying about the desire to have all the 
 features at the version 1.0 level. But that is simply not realistic.
 Apple or not Apple,
 1.0 apps are not mature, and they never have the same feature set as 
 more mature apps. This app does things no other gps app on ios does.
 If its feature set plus the history of the Sendero group's commitment 
 to gps for the blind isn't enough to give you confidence to buy a 
 subscription, that is certainly your right. But this has nothing 
 whatsoever to do with anything special to Apple and making excuses. If 
 you've been using screen readers, you know how many years it takes for 
 one of those to become mature. Same for the gps apps. Same for MS 
 Office
or any other complex app.

 Mary

 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com


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RE: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

2013-07-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Keith,

Edge is a pre-3G standard for data speed, as is GPRS. These are data
connections which work at a slower speed than 3G. I highly doubt this would
make a huge difference for an app like Seeing eye which queries a server for
map data, we are not talking about huge amounts of data that are passed back
and forth. When I was in Thailand in April I had pretty good 3G connections
in all the cities, but as soon as you were outside in the countryside it
usually showed an Edge connection and things like Skype or VoIP calling in
general did not work so good because the connection did not provide the
necessary bandwidth for that.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 9:00 AM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

I'm not familiar with your phrase edge service. Can you please educate me
on this? Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

Apple Maps will have turn by turn walking directions in iOS 7.  I
wonder how the Seeing Eye app will be really different from that
experience.  Chicago has loads of one-way streets so turn by turn
driving directions have limited value.

I would very much like a short paid subscription.  Apple Maps does not
work in EDGE service.  I would like to try the Seeing Eye ap to find
out how it preforms in EDGE conditions.  The fact that maps are
through the Internet and not my device is a bummer.  No cell phone
carrier is available everywhere. However, a talking map can be
indispensable and should be available at all times like Navigon.

Mike May described his difficulty in developing both a high quality
accessible GPS ap that was affordable in the March CSUN presentation.
I would like a monthly subscription to understand how the app works
under EDGE conditions. Those seeking a free or low cost solution are
really advocating for a socialist society.  I essentially live in one
and life in this leftist paradise is not the utopia that many claim it
to be.

Kelly




Kelly



On 7/3/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Rose,

 I would check Applevis every now and then to see if somebody did a
 comprehensive Podcast on Seeing Eye GPS, I am sure there will be one
sooner
 rather than later, but keep in mind that the app was only released
 yesterday
 and beta testers were probably obligated to keep their mouth shut until
the
 official release.

 I also think that changing the price may well be possible, if enough
people
 request a one or two week trial subscription for maybe $10 or so, Sendero
 might very well do this. I personally have a lot of confidence in Sendero
 and their ability to produce an outstanding app which will become more
 feature rich as time goes by. I downloaded the app and the only reason why
 I
 haven't registered/subscribed yet is because I am currently not going
 anywhere and don't really need it. After I paid for the $3,400 ACL surgery
 my guide dog had a couple of months ago I'll buy it so I can start
learning
 how to make the most from it. I guess he had the physical pain, I'm
dealing
 with how much that hurts my bank account and toys/travel budget *smile*


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Rose Combs
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:42 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

 You know, I wish more people who have tried the app would weigh in, we
 can't
 change the pricing, we will all need to decide what meets our needs, so
why
 can't we actually focus on what the app does or does not do, yes, I read
 the
 manual, it might help some who are sort of sitting on the fence to hear
 more
 about how the app is being used.



 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:52 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

 Hi:
 Regardless of whether I would or would not buy an app, I would prefer to
 get
 a copy without all the bells and whistles than have to wait six months or
 another year to get a full featured version. The Kindle app, Flexy, and
 several others are good examples of my point. At the same time however I
 would not spend $70 for an app which I can't test in advance.

 On 7/2/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 Eric,

 I understand what you're saying about the desire to have all the
 features at the version 1.0 level. But that is simply not realistic.
 Apple or not Apple,
 1.0 apps are not mature, and they never have the same feature set as
 more mature apps. This app does things no other 

RE: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

2013-07-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Kelly,

They may offer turn by turn walking directions which will definitely be nice
and possibly superior to what navigon currently offers, but I assume that
you still have to set a destination and calculate a route before you get
that. The big advantage of something like the SeeingEye app is the fact that
you can just load the app and start walking and it will give you very useful
feedback about cross streets, intersections and points of interest without
having to do anything. Apps like Sendero LookAround, Ariadne GPS,
BlindSquare and so on have been developed largely because they offer some of
this functionality while commercial apps like \navigon don't offer this
functionality at all. I remember a lot of posts from new iPhone users over
the years who asked which GPS app they should use in order to get this level
of information and feedback along with turn by turn directions and the
answer was always that one had to use at least 2 or 3 apps, now there is one
that does it all and that does it better because none of the other apps had
intersection information.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

Apple Maps will have turn by turn walking directions in iOS 7.  I wonder how
the Seeing Eye app will be really different from that experience.  Chicago
has loads of one-way streets so turn by turn driving directions have limited
value.

I would very much like a short paid subscription.  Apple Maps does not work
in EDGE service.  I would like to try the Seeing Eye ap to find out how it
preforms in EDGE conditions.  The fact that maps are through the Internet
and not my device is a bummer.  No cell phone carrier is available
everywhere. However, a talking map can be indispensable and should be
available at all times like Navigon.

Mike May described his difficulty in developing both a high quality
accessible GPS ap that was affordable in the March CSUN presentation.
I would like a monthly subscription to understand how the app works under
EDGE conditions. Those seeking a free or low cost solution are really
advocating for a socialist society.  I essentially live in one and life in
this leftist paradise is not the utopia that many claim it to be.

Kelly




Kelly



On 7/3/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Rose,

 I would check Applevis every now and then to see if somebody did a 
 comprehensive Podcast on Seeing Eye GPS, I am sure there will be one 
 sooner rather than later, but keep in mind that the app was only 
 released yesterday and beta testers were probably obligated to keep 
 their mouth shut until the official release.

 I also think that changing the price may well be possible, if enough 
 people request a one or two week trial subscription for maybe $10 or 
 so, Sendero might very well do this. I personally have a lot of 
 confidence in Sendero and their ability to produce an outstanding app 
 which will become more feature rich as time goes by. I downloaded the 
 app and the only reason why I haven't registered/subscribed yet is 
 because I am currently not going anywhere and don't really need it. 
 After I paid for the $3,400 ACL surgery my guide dog had a couple of 
 months ago I'll buy it so I can start learning how to make the most 
 from it. I guess he had the physical pain, I'm dealing with how much 
 that hurts my bank account and toys/travel budget *smile*


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Rose Combs
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:42 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

 You know, I wish more people who have tried the app would weigh in, we 
 can't change the pricing, we will all need to decide what meets our 
 needs, so why can't we actually focus on what the app does or does not 
 do, yes, I read the manual, it might help some who are sort of sitting 
 on the fence to hear more about how the app is being used.



 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:52 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

 Hi:
 Regardless of whether I would or would not buy an app, I would prefer to
 get
 a copy without all the bells and whistles than have to wait six months or
 another year to get a full featured version. The Kindle app, Flexy, and
 several others are good examples of my point. At the same time however I
 would not spend $70 for an app which I can't test in advance.

 On 7/2/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 Eric,

 I understand what you're saying about the desire to have all the
 features at the version 1.0 level. But that is simply not realistic.
 Apple or not 

once joined network, iPhone won't hold connection

2013-07-04 Thread Michael Amaro
Hello Listers,

Once I have joined the network, next time I unlock the phone to try and use the 
net it asks me for the password for the network again.  How can I keep it 
always joined to the network? Not have it ask me for the password every time.
Thanks
Michael
Windows Live ID:
mikeam...@earthlink.net
e-mail:
mikeam...@earthlink.net
Skype ID:
mikeameli
John F. Kennedy
Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your 
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RE: Sendero's i-phone gps app

2013-07-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Mr. Kearney compares Sendero's strategy with a Bait and Switch which is
unfortunate since it only means he has apparently not read the app
description or any information about the app on the Sendero website. As
somebody else pointed out, it clearly states on the Sendero website that a
subscription is required and this information is also contained in the app
description. In any case, here is the definition of a Bait and Switch which
typically applies to retail products, it involves false advertising as well
as 2 products, one as the bait and one, more expensive one, as the switch:

Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud used in retail sales.
first, customers are baited by merchants' advertising products or services
at a low price, but when customers visit the store, they discover that the
advertised goods are not available, or the customers are pressured by sales
people to consider similar, but higher priced items (switching).
The intention of the bait-and-switch is to encourage purchases of
substituted goods, making consumers satisfied with the available stock
offered, as an alternative to a disappointment or inconvenience of acquiring
no goods (or bait) at all, and reckoning on a seemingly partial recovery of
sunk costs expended trying to obtain the bait. It suggests that the seller
will not show the original product or service advertised but instead will
demonstrate a more expensive product or a similar product with a higher
margin

I find it unfortunate that so many people have so much bad stuff to say
about a company and a product which most of them haven't even tried and
which has been keenly anticipated by a lot of blind iPhone users. Let's hope
that we will soon hear testamonies and reviews from people who are actually
using the app and who point out its good sides for a change. This almost
reminds me of all the bashing of apple that has been going on especiallhy in
the tech media, it seems every time somebody comes out with something good
somebody else feels they don't deserve recognition and success. Feedback and
criticism can also be made in constructive ways which contribute to
improving the product. 

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joanne Chua
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 2:03 AM
To: viphone; share
Subject: Sendero's i-phone gps app

Hi all,

Below message might e interest for some of you.

Regards
Joanne (AU)


From: Greg Kearney
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:44:18 +0800
Subject: Sendero's i-phone gps app


I downloaded this app by tricking my phone into thinking it was in the U.S.
and that I could buy things from the U.S. app store. I have serious issues
with the way this app is being marketed which I feel is deceptive and
amounts to a bait and switch. These concerns have nothing to do with the
fact that the app does not support navigation outside of North America,
which is why it is at the moment only offered in the U.S. app store.

My issue come from the fact that the app is promoted as a free download,
which in fact it is. What the developer fail to tell you is that while you
can download the app for free the app will be useless to you unless you buy
the subscription for $70 a year. So, in fact, the app is not free at all and
unlike other GPS solutions the app will cost you money each year to keep it
running. Should the company go out of business the app becomes worthless.
Also you are going to be at the mercy of the company as far as pricing goes.
Once you have this app you will need to continue to pay each year for the
ability to use it.
While other apps do use the idea of in app buy in those app do as a rule
offer some, all be it limited, functions in the free version.
This is not the case here.

The other issue that the app is completely dependent on data from the
internet and so unlike many GSP applications will require that you have a
data connection on your phone at all times. If you attempt to use this app
outside of areas with data service the app will simply stop working. This
would pose a real issue in regional, rural and outback Australia where data
and sometimes even phone coverage is not available. Not only will you be
paying the $70 a year but you will be using up your phone data demands as
well.

Given these fact I think that we would do well to remember the maxim:
caveat emptor, let the buyer beware.

Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of WA -
Guide Dogs WA


Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right
includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive
and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of
frontiers.
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accessing new features in appleTV

2013-07-04 Thread Joe Quinn
 i've got an appleTV 2nd generation and when i try to go to ESPN i click on 
 live, and click on verify my TV provider. I then click Xfinity/comcast and 
 nothing happens. am i supposed to get an activation code or something that 
 i'm supposed to enter at a web site? this also happens on HBO go and therre 
 it's the same thing. but when i do it on the IOS device, i get to log in with 
 my comcast ID but not on the apple TV. help!
 Joe Quinn
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Re: accessing new features in appleTV

2013-07-04 Thread Les Kriegler
Joe, yes, you need an activation code. I would suggest you get side assistance. 
You'll probably need to use your computer to verify your account. I had a lot 
of difficulty with this, even with side assistance. We finally got done, 
though. Good luck.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:

 i've got an appleTV 2nd generation and when i try to go to ESPN i click on 
 live, and click on verify my TV provider. I then click Xfinity/comcast and 
 nothing happens. am i supposed to get an activation code or something that 
 i'm supposed to enter at a web site? this also happens on HBO go and therre 
 it's the same thing. but when i do it on the IOS device, i get to log in 
 with my comcast ID but not on the apple TV. help!
 Joe Quinn
 jdawg1...@gmail.com
 
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Accessible Crosswords App

2013-07-04 Thread Jane
Hey, all. Maybe you all know about this, but I am behind on Twitter and I only 
just saw it.

Here is a link (I only have one for the US) for a totally VoiceOver friendly 
and accessible crossword puzzle app. I am playing it right now on my iPad mini. 
Going to see if I can play it on my first-gen iPad. It's $0.99 right now. The 
link is:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/four-down/id655212651?mt=8

I am serious. I am having fun trying to fill in the clues. It's very easy to 
do. This doesn't mean I am good at it, but I am having such fun I don't care.

Jane


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RE: once joined network, iPhone won't hold connection

2013-07-04 Thread Lois Butterfield
Hi Michael,

 

I have had that problem before.  It only happens with some networks.  I'm
not sure what can be done about it.  If it's your home wireless, perhaps you
can check your router antenna to  make sure it's pointing in a beneficial
direction.  If it is, there are antenna extenders you can get for routers to
make the signal stronger.  All I can think is that the signal just isn't
strong enough.

 

Good luck.

 

Lois

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: once joined network, iPhone won't hold connection

 

Hello Listers,

 

Once I have joined the network, next time I unlock the phone to try and use
the net it asks me for the password for the network again.  How can I keep
it always joined to the network? Not have it ask me for the password every
time.

Thanks
Michael
Windows Live ID:
mikeam...@earthlink.net
e-mail:
mikeam...@earthlink.net
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RE: Accessible Crosswords App

2013-07-04 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Neat. Thanks. Looks like it for iPad only, and not iPhone. I've sent a note to 
the developer to see if it would be possible to get an iPhone version.

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Subject: Accessible Crosswords App

Hey, all. Maybe you all know about this, but I am behind on Twitter and I only 
just saw it.

Here is a link (I only have one for the US) for a totally VoiceOver friendly 
and accessible crossword puzzle app. I am playing it right now on my iPad mini. 
Going to see if I can play it on my first-gen iPad. It's $0.99 right now. The 
link is:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/four-down/id655212651?mt=8

I am serious. I am having fun trying to fill in the clues. It's very easy to 
do. This doesn't mean I am good at it, but I am having such fun I don't care.

Jane


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RE: Location Services with Tap Tap See- where did you find them?

2013-07-04 Thread Don Cher Bosch
It's not there for me- I even launched the app to see if that would cause it
to show up, but IT'S still not there. Should it be there regardless of
whether location services were turned on during installing or licensing or
whatever?

 

I have a iPhone4, does that explain the difference in what you are seeing
and what is available on my phone?

 

Under a different path- General/Restrictions/Privacy- location services is
'dimmed'- but don't exactly know what that really means. 

 

Under the location path you mentioned, I wonder if All Access, Camera,
Photos, and Red Laser really require location services?

 

Cher

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Location Services with Tap Tap See- where did you find them?

 

Location services can be found

 

Settings

Privacy

Swipedown to Location Services and double tap

Swipe down to Tap Tap See and double to toggle on Location Services. 

 

Donna


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oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net wrote:

Can't find them inside the app- were they hidden somewhere on the licensing
screen at first use? I only saw accept and decline buttons there. . 

 

Thanks, Cher

 

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Re: Location Services with Tap Tap See- where did you find them?

2013-07-04 Thread Shane clark
Hi,
Just curious, what are these location services for in TapTap See, And how are 
they useful with and the app?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Don  Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net 
wrote:

 It's not there for me- I even launched the app to see if that would cause it 
 to show up, but IT'S still not there. Should it be there regardless of 
 whether location services were turned on during installing or licensing or 
 whatever?
  
 I have a iPhone4, does that explain the difference in what you are seeing and 
 what is available on my phone?
  
 Under a different path- General/Restrictions/Privacy- location services is 
 'dimmed'- but don't exactly know what that really means.
  
 Under the location path you mentioned, I wonder if All Access, Camera, 
 Photos, and Red Laser really require location services?
  
 Cher
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Donna
 Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 1:26 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Location Services with Tap Tap See- where did you find them?
  
 Location services can be found
  
 Settings
 Privacy
 Swipedown to Location Services and double tap
 Swipe down to Tap Tap See and double to toggle on Location Services. 
  
 Donna
 
 On Jul 4, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Don  Cher Bosch 
 oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Can't find them inside the app- were they hidden somewhere on the licensing 
 screen at first use? I only saw accept and decline buttons there. .
  
 Thanks, Cher
  
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Re: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

2013-07-04 Thread Kelly Pierce
Dear Sieghard,

Thanks for the explanation.  I understand the rationale for the Seeing
Eye app now. For folks who have never experienced a GPS solution,
Apple Maps in iOS 7 will likely be a great experience that can
certainly be helpful and highly useful.  For a high quality experience
that offers insane accessibility and audio support to the blind
traveler, the Seeing Eye app is clearly the option as it integrates
the benefits of multiple apps into one package.

I'm beginning to believe that an accessible GPS solution is entering
into the realm of essential adaptive technology for the highly
independent blind person along with a screen reader, portable book
reader and OCR technology.  In recent years, all of these have become
more affordable so it is possible to talk about a complete set of
tools within the budget of many.

Kelly





On 7/4/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Kelly,

 They may offer turn by turn walking directions which will definitely be
 nice
 and possibly superior to what navigon currently offers, but I assume that
 you still have to set a destination and calculate a route before you get
 that. The big advantage of something like the SeeingEye app is the fact
 that
 you can just load the app and start walking and it will give you very
 useful
 feedback about cross streets, intersections and points of interest without
 having to do anything. Apps like Sendero LookAround, Ariadne GPS,
 BlindSquare and so on have been developed largely because they offer some
 of
 this functionality while commercial apps like \navigon don't offer this
 functionality at all. I remember a lot of posts from new iPhone users over
 the years who asked which GPS app they should use in order to get this
 level
 of information and feedback along with turn by turn directions and the
 answer was always that one had to use at least 2 or 3 apps, now there is
 one
 that does it all and that does it better because none of the other apps had
 intersection information.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Kelly Pierce
 Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 8:56 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

 Apple Maps will have turn by turn walking directions in iOS 7.  I wonder
 how
 the Seeing Eye app will be really different from that experience.  Chicago
 has loads of one-way streets so turn by turn driving directions have
 limited
 value.

 I would very much like a short paid subscription.  Apple Maps does not work
 in EDGE service.  I would like to try the Seeing Eye ap to find out how it
 preforms in EDGE conditions.  The fact that maps are through the Internet
 and not my device is a bummer.  No cell phone carrier is available
 everywhere. However, a talking map can be indispensable and should be
 available at all times like Navigon.

 Mike May described his difficulty in developing both a high quality
 accessible GPS ap that was affordable in the March CSUN presentation.
 I would like a monthly subscription to understand how the app works under
 EDGE conditions. Those seeking a free or low cost solution are really
 advocating for a socialist society.  I essentially live in one and life in
 this leftist paradise is not the utopia that many claim it to be.

 Kelly




 Kelly



 On 7/3/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Rose,

 I would check Applevis every now and then to see if somebody did a
 comprehensive Podcast on Seeing Eye GPS, I am sure there will be one
 sooner rather than later, but keep in mind that the app was only
 released yesterday and beta testers were probably obligated to keep
 their mouth shut until the official release.

 I also think that changing the price may well be possible, if enough
 people request a one or two week trial subscription for maybe $10 or
 so, Sendero might very well do this. I personally have a lot of
 confidence in Sendero and their ability to produce an outstanding app
 which will become more feature rich as time goes by. I downloaded the
 app and the only reason why I haven't registered/subscribed yet is
 because I am currently not going anywhere and don't really need it.
 After I paid for the $3,400 ACL surgery my guide dog had a couple of
 months ago I'll buy it so I can start learning how to make the most
 from it. I guess he had the physical pain, I'm dealing with how much
 that hurts my bank account and toys/travel budget *smile*


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Rose Combs
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:42 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

 You know, I wish more people who have tried the app would weigh in, we
 can't change the pricing, we will all need to decide what meets our
 needs, so why can't we actually focus on what the app does or does not
 do, yes, I read the manual, 

Re: Location Services with Tap Tap See- where did you find them?

2013-07-04 Thread Donna
Hi,

The location services for Tap Tap See are used to pinpoint your general 
location. Location services uses GPS along with crowd sourcing wifi hotspot and 
cell towers to pinpoint your location. Being that Tap Tap See uses crowd 
sourcing to return info on any pictures taken, having your general location is 
helpful.

To turn on Location services for Tap Tap See go to.

Settings, swipe down to Privacy, Swipe to Location Services, you then should 
hear Location Services ON -button- bouble tap to open Location services, 
swipe down to Tap Tap See and double tap to turn on Location Services.

Depending on the apps that you use, and most likely since Safari and Seri come 
pre-installed on IOS devices, you shouold see these also listed and they, if 
you use them, should also be turned on.

HTH

Donna


  Hi,
  Just curious, what are these location services for in TapTap See, And how are 
they useful with and the app?

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 4, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Don  Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net 
wrote:


It's not there for me- I even launched the app to see if that would cause 
it to show up, but IT'S still not there. Should it be there regardless of 
whether location services were turned on during installing or licensing or 
whatever?



I have a iPhone4, does that explain the difference in what you are seeing 
and what is available on my phone?



Under a different path- General/Restrictions/Privacy- location services is 
'dimmed'- but don't exactly know what that really means. 



Under the location path you mentioned, I wonder if All Access, Camera, 
Photos, and Red Laser really require location services?



Cher





From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Donna
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Location Services with Tap Tap See- where did you find them?



Location services can be found



Settings

Privacy

Swipedown to Location Services and double tap

Swipe down to Tap Tap See and double to toggle on Location Services. 



Donna


On Jul 4, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Don  Cher Bosch 
oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net wrote:

  Can't find them inside the app- were they hidden somewhere on the 
licensing screen at first use? I only saw accept and decline buttons there. . 



  Thanks, Cher



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Reregistering Seeing Eye App

2013-07-04 Thread Sandy Finley
Hi.  When I purchased this app I did not register it as I was kind of tired
and I thought I had read that I could register later.  Now I can't find
where to go back to register.  Does anyone know?

 

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Re: Sendero's i-phone gps app

2013-07-04 Thread Andrew Head
Thank you everyone for your positive words on this issue. This was forwarded 
from an Australian email list. There has been quite a bit of negativity 
regarding Sendero on  that list in the last couple days.
I agree with what everyone has said, and have already written to the Australian 
list, giving a more positive angle. I have nothing but praise the Sendero for 
providing a great service in providing accessible GPS.
Sent from my iPhone

On 05/07/2013, at 6:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Mr. Kearney compares Sendero's strategy with a Bait and Switch which is
 unfortunate since it only means he has apparently not read the app
 description or any information about the app on the Sendero website. As
 somebody else pointed out, it clearly states on the Sendero website that a
 subscription is required and this information is also contained in the app
 description. In any case, here is the definition of a Bait and Switch which
 typically applies to retail products, it involves false advertising as well
 as 2 products, one as the bait and one, more expensive one, as the switch:
 
 Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud used in retail sales.
 first, customers are baited by merchants' advertising products or services
 at a low price, but when customers visit the store, they discover that the
 advertised goods are not available, or the customers are pressured by sales
 people to consider similar, but higher priced items (switching).
 The intention of the bait-and-switch is to encourage purchases of
 substituted goods, making consumers satisfied with the available stock
 offered, as an alternative to a disappointment or inconvenience of acquiring
 no goods (or bait) at all, and reckoning on a seemingly partial recovery of
 sunk costs expended trying to obtain the bait. It suggests that the seller
 will not show the original product or service advertised but instead will
 demonstrate a more expensive product or a similar product with a higher
 margin
 
 I find it unfortunate that so many people have so much bad stuff to say
 about a company and a product which most of them haven't even tried and
 which has been keenly anticipated by a lot of blind iPhone users. Let's hope
 that we will soon hear testamonies and reviews from people who are actually
 using the app and who point out its good sides for a change. This almost
 reminds me of all the bashing of apple that has been going on especiallhy in
 the tech media, it seems every time somebody comes out with something good
 somebody else feels they don't deserve recognition and success. Feedback and
 criticism can also be made in constructive ways which contribute to
 improving the product. 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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Re: Location Services with Tap Tap See- where did you find them?

2013-07-04 Thread Donna
Hi,

The path that I stated before should lead you to Location Services. No you 
shouldn't have to have the app Tap Tap See open to find Location Services for 
the app. Yes, Red Laser and All Access need Location Services turned on, so 
that you are able to gather info from your general area. Photos and camera 
doesn't necessarily need Location Services turned on. All this does if Location 
Services are turned on for Photos and camera is to stamp your coordinance on 
the photos info. If this info is presented to the general public and if the 
photo happends to have been taken in or around your house, your address can be 
obtained.

Here is the instructions to get you to Location Services once again..

From the Home screen of your device Go To

Settings and double tap to open.
Swipe down to Privacy
Swipe to Location Services this should be the first in the list. You should 
hear Voiceover read Location Services ON -Button-
Double tap to open Location Services and then Swipe down until you hear Tap Tap 
See.

Double tap on Tap Tap See to turn on Location Services.

The list of apps will also include camera, photos, blogger, Safari, Seri, All 
Access, Red Laser, Maps, and any other apps that you may be using that would 
require your location to give you the best possible info and results. 

Not all of the apps listed will necessarily need Location Services turned on. 
This will depend on how frequently you use the app. For example, I have 
Location Services turned OFF for Seri, because I have disabled Seri because I 
refuse to use the comedian! But I have Location Services turned ON for TuneIn 
Radio, so that I am able to gather info on my local radio stations.

Donna


  It's not there for me- I even launched the app to see if that would cause it 
to show up, but IT'S still not there. Should it be there regardless of whether 
location services were turned on during installing or licensing or whatever?

   

  I have a iPhone4, does that explain the difference in what you are seeing and 
what is available on my phone?

   

  Under a different path- General/Restrictions/Privacy- location services is 
'dimmed'- but don't exactly know what that really means. 

   

  Under the location path you mentioned, I wonder if All Access, Camera, 
Photos, and Red Laser really require location services?

   

  Cher

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
  Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 1:26 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Location Services with Tap Tap See- where did you find them?

   

  Location services can be found

   

  Settings

  Privacy

  Swipedown to Location Services and double tap

  Swipe down to Tap Tap See and double to toggle on Location Services. 

   

  Donna


  On Jul 4, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Don  Cher Bosch 
oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net wrote:

Can't find them inside the app- were they hidden somewhere on the licensing 
screen at first use? I only saw accept and decline buttons there. . 

 

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Re Colin accessing new features with Apple TV

2013-07-04 Thread joe quinn
Well actually, when I click on the icon to verify my TV provider under ESPN, 
and I click on the TV provider, the Apple TV doesn't even give me an activation 
code. If it does, it doesn't voice it with voice over. Is it supposed to? Or, 
doesn't just displayed on the screen? if it's displayed on the screen, doesn't 
that kinda defeat the accessibility of voiceover? :)

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Re: accessing new features in appleTV

2013-07-04 Thread Jesus Hernandez
what web site do we go to activate the apple device ofr hob and espy.
On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joe, yes, you need an activation code. I would suggest you get side 
 assistance. You'll probably need to use your computer to verify your account. 
 I had a lot of difficulty with this, even with side assistance. We finally 
 got done, though. Good luck.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 4, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 i've got an appleTV 2nd generation and when i try to go to ESPN i click on 
 live, and click on verify my TV provider. I then click Xfinity/comcast and 
 nothing happens. am i supposed to get an activation code or something that 
 i'm supposed to enter at a web site? this also happens on HBO go and therre 
 it's the same thing. but when i do it on the IOS device, i get to log in 
 with my comcast ID but not on the apple TV. help!
 Joe Quinn
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Re: Re Colin accessing new features with Apple TV

2013-07-04 Thread Les Kriegler
Joe,

The code is displayed on-screen.  That's why I stated you will need sighted 
assistance.  While the sign up process is not as accessible as it could be, 
once you are verified, you won't have any accessibility issues with accessing 
ESPn content.  The nice thing is that you will have access to ESPN, ESPN2, 
ESPNU and ESPN3, which was only available on the internet.  Enjoy.

Les
On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:52 PM, joe quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well actually, when I click on the icon to verify my TV provider under ESPN, 
 and I click on the TV provider, the Apple TV doesn't even give me an 
 activation code. If it does, it doesn't voice it with voice over. Is it 
 supposed to? Or, doesn't just displayed on the screen? if it's displayed on 
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Re: Reregistering Seeing Eye App

2013-07-04 Thread Candie Stiles
To register the app go to settings and then subscription.
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 Hi.  When I purchased this app I did not register it as I was kind of tired 
 and I thought I had read that I could register later.  Now I can’t find where 
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Re: accessing new features in appleTV

2013-07-04 Thread Les Kriegler
I don't have the specific address.  When the code is generated on-screen, the 
web site is given.  By the way, we had difficulty activating and verifying the 
process with Internet Explorer, but it ultimately worked with Mozilla Firefox.  
Didn't try it with Safari, as my better half used our PC.

Les
On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Jesus Hernandez jessi...@comcast.net wrote:

 what web site do we go to activate the apple device ofr hob and espy.
 On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Joe, yes, you need an activation code. I would suggest you get side 
 assistance. You'll probably need to use your computer to verify your 
 account. I had a lot of difficulty with this, even with side assistance. We 
 finally got done, though. Good luck.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 4, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 i've got an appleTV 2nd generation and when i try to go to ESPN i click on 
 live, and click on verify my TV provider. I then click Xfinity/comcast and 
 nothing happens. am i supposed to get an activation code or something that 
 i'm supposed to enter at a web site? this also happens on HBO go and 
 therre it's the same thing. but when i do it on the IOS device, i get to 
 log in with my comcast ID but not on the apple TV. help!
 Joe Quinn
 jdawg1...@gmail.com
 
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Re: Sendero's i-phone gps app

2013-07-04 Thread Joanne Chua
Hi there,
Firstly, i congrets Sendero  for the success of developing/creating
such a gps/map/app for the blind.

F
First at all, i appreciate everyone opinions and views on this matter.
I'm not, Agree nor disagree with any side of the arguement.
The reason why i brought up the email, is to give a different angle of
the discussion, looking it from different parts of the world, in terms
of how one can get access, and one may access the app/map/gps
whichever one fancy to call it.

I think, the original email is not an open fire against Sendero or any
of the sorts. In Gregg's email, it states very clear why he got such
opinion and views on the Sendero app/map/gps, and i can understand
why.

Lets be honest here, how many of us here truely go to the developer
website and read in details about what the app has to offer before
purchasing the app?

Just because it is a purpose build app/map/gps for the blind
therefore, it should have full on 100% praise on the app/map/gps?

I think, it is about time to have more of a constructive discussion as
to why, and why not, instead of because it is from Sendero, or because
its purposely build for the blind, thereofre we need to support it, or
not supporting it.

As someone who traveling a lot, both within Austrlasia and different
parts of the world, i don't see why Sendero  can't include other maps
in the thing. One would think it will be much easier to include the
choice of other maps, considering its on subscription base. e.g. North
American and Europe map for $99 per year, or North America maps only
for $69, and some other option like if you want to travel from
Australia to America, and only wish to be there for 32 days, you can
subscribe to the app for $15 for 30 days or such.

Frankly speaking, what i found with the Sendero  arguement, it has
turning to become Apple vs Freedom Scientific arguement, as some anti
Apple blind user that could point out, in some other blind list,
Freedom Scientific keeps blind people employ therefore i don't see
why i should support Apple who don't employ blind people. Now, how
true is that statement? for some blind people they believe that its so
true that they can't see any alternative but uses Jaws and WindowXP,
and using Talks with their very old Nokia Phone.

Just my 0.02 sense

Regards
Joanne

On 05/07/2013, Andrew Head ath...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
 Thank you everyone for your positive words on this issue. This was forwarded
 from an Australian email list. There has been quite a bit of negativity
 regarding Sendero on  that list in the last couple days.
 I agree with what everyone has said, and have already written to the
 Australian list, giving a more positive angle. I have nothing but praise the
 Sendero for providing a great service in providing accessible GPS.
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 05/07/2013, at 6:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Mr. Kearney compares Sendero's strategy with a Bait and Switch which is
 unfortunate since it only means he has apparently not read the app
 description or any information about the app on the Sendero website. As
 somebody else pointed out, it clearly states on the Sendero website that
 a
 subscription is required and this information is also contained in the
 app
 description. In any case, here is the definition of a Bait and Switch
 which
 typically applies to retail products, it involves false advertising as
 well
 as 2 products, one as the bait and one, more expensive one, as the
 switch:

 Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud used in retail sales.
 first, customers are baited by merchants' advertising products or
 services
 at a low price, but when customers visit the store, they discover that
 the
 advertised goods are not available, or the customers are pressured by
 sales
 people to consider similar, but higher priced items (switching).
 The intention of the bait-and-switch is to encourage purchases of
 substituted goods, making consumers satisfied with the available stock
 offered, as an alternative to a disappointment or inconvenience of
 acquiring
 no goods (or bait) at all, and reckoning on a seemingly partial recovery
 of
 sunk costs expended trying to obtain the bait. It suggests that the
 seller
 will not show the original product or service advertised but instead will
 demonstrate a more expensive product or a similar product with a higher
 margin

 I find it unfortunate that so many people have so much bad stuff to say
 about a company and a product which most of them haven't even tried and
 which has been keenly anticipated by a lot of blind iPhone users. Let's
 hope
 that we will soon hear testamonies and reviews from people who are
 actually
 using the app and who point out its good sides for a change. This almost
 reminds me of all the bashing of apple that has been going on especiallhy
 in
 the tech media, it seems every time somebody comes out with something
 good
 somebody else feels they don't deserve recognition and success. Feedback
 and
 criticism can also 

Re: Papa Sangre is 99 Cents Today

2013-07-04 Thread ramy moustafa
Gr8 game really.  Thanks so much 

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 5:15 PM, MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net wrote:

 I just got a notification that Papa Sangre has been dropped from $4.99 to 99 
 cents to day, to celebrate the 4th. I have just purchsed it. If you have been 
 waiting for this app to drop in price, you better go grab it now. 
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Re: Location Services with Tap Tap See- where did you find them?

2013-07-04 Thread don bishop
With all this talk about location services and  taptapsee I decided to check 
mine out only to discover that taptapsee isn't in the list of services.  Any 
idea as to why and what, if anything, I can or should do about it?

Thanks,

Don


- Original Message -
From: Donna merma...@bellsouth.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: Location Services with Tap Tap See- where did you find them?



 Hi,
 
 The path that I stated before should lead you to Location Services. No you 
 shouldn't have to have the app Tap Tap See open to find Location Services for 
 the app. Yes, Red Laser and All Access need Location Services turned on, so 
 that you are able to gather info from your general area. Photos and camera 
 doesn't necessarily need Location Services turned on. All this does if 
 Location Services are turned on for Photos and camera is to stamp your 
 coordinance on the photos info. If this info is presented to the general 
 public and if the photo happends to have been taken in or around your house, 
 your address can be obtained.
 
 Here is the instructions to get you to Location Services once again..
 
 From the Home screen of your device Go To
 
 Settings and double tap to open.
 Swipe down to Privacy
 Swipe to Location Services this should be the first in the list. You should 
 hear Voiceover read Location Services ON -Button-
 Double tap to open Location Services and then Swipe down until you hear Tap 
 Tap See.
 
 Double tap on Tap Tap See to turn on Location Services.
 
 The list of apps will also include camera, photos, blogger, Safari, Seri, All 
 Access, Red Laser, Maps, and any other apps that you may be using that would 
 require your location to give you the best possible info and results. 
 
 Not all of the apps listed will necessarily need Location Services turned on. 
 This will depend on how frequently you use the app. For example, I have 
 Location Services turned OFF for Seri, because I have disabled Seri because I 
 refuse to use the comedian! But I have Location Services turned ON for TuneIn 
 Radio, so that I am able to gather info on my local radio stations.
 
 Donna
 
 
   It's not there for me- I even launched the app to see if that would cause 
 it to show up, but IT'S still not there. Should it be there regardless of 
 whether location services were turned on during installing or licensing or 
 whatever?
 

 
   I have a iPhone4, does that explain the difference in what you are seeing 
 and what is available on my phone?
 

 
   Under a different path- General/Restrictions/Privacy- location services is 
 'dimmed'- but don't exactly know what that really means. 
 

 
   Under the location path you mentioned, I wonder if All Access, Camera, 
 Photos, and Red Laser really require location services?
 

 
   Cher
 

 

 
   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Donna
   Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 1:26 PM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Location Services with Tap Tap See- where did you find them?
 

 
   Location services can be found
 

 
   Settings
 
   Privacy
 
   Swipedown to Location Services and double tap
 
   Swipe down to Tap Tap See and double to toggle on Location Services. 
 

 
   Donna
 
 
   On Jul 4, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Don  Cher Bosch 
 oneagleswin...@bellsouth..net wrote:
 
 Can't find them inside the app- were they hidden somewhere on the 
 licensing screen at first use? I only saw accept and decline buttons there. . 
 
  
 
 Thanks, Cher
 
  
 
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RE: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

2013-07-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Kelly,

Ever since the beginning of the development of accessible GPS devices,
detailed audio feedback about the environment has been a primary goal. Some
of the important aspects I as a completely blind person want to know are as
follows:

. periodic announcements of the street name I am on and the direction I am
going.
. information about upcoming cross streets like street name and how far I am
from it
. information about the type of intersection I am approaching like 4-way,
3-way etc. I have often walked along a sidewalkopposite the side where a
street ended in a T intersection and where I had to turn down that street.
Even if I have a route set with an app like Navigon and get the instruction
Turn left on Oak Street, assuming that is the street name, I might
continue walking thinking I just go until I get to the intersection, then I
cross and everything is good. Well, if Oak Street ends at the street I am on
and across from where I am, I am likely to walk straight past it. I will of
course eventually get the idea, but if the app says Next cross street is Oak
Street follows that with 3-way intersection it makes a lot more sense to me.
MobileGeo typically told me that kind of information and usually also told
me whether the street was going off on my side or the other side.

I have a feeling we will never see this kind of detail from a commercial app
because sighted users simply have no need to know. They can first of all
easily see it on the map the app displays on their screen and secondly they
can just take a quick glance at the intersection.

Sendero has been a pioneer in the development of these types of GPS
solutions and I highly doubt Mike May has become a millionaire and I am
quite certain they haven't decided to charge what they do by figuring out
their costs and then tripling it.

It is also well known that early adopters sometimes pay more for things or
miss out on promotions, take Fleksy as an example. I can't even remember
what I paid, but I think it was rather expensive as apps go, then they
dropped the price and now it's a free app. But I nonetheless am not angry
that I paid where had I waited I could have gotten it for free. The app has
been out for only 2 or 3 days and it will take quite a bit longer for
Sendero to compile all the feedback, analyse it, make decisions and
implement them. Maybe in a month we suddenly see a month to month
subscription or a one-week trial period for $5, maybe not. But let's all
give them a chance to do their job. Everybody has to decide for themselves
in the meantime whether he or she wants the app at the current conditions or
not. As for the availability in other countries the same applies. Sendero's
home base is the States, we in Canada are lucky because most Navteq maps
cover North America and while Navteq definitely offers good maps for Europe,
Australia and other places, it may very well make sense for Sendero to get
the app going in one major market before tackling other markets. 

Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 5:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing Eye GPS Demo/trial Mode

Dear Sieghard,

Thanks for the explanation.  I understand the rationale for the Seeing Eye
app now. For folks who have never experienced a GPS solution, Apple Maps in
iOS 7 will likely be a great experience that can certainly be helpful and
highly useful.  For a high quality experience that offers insane
accessibility and audio support to the blind traveler, the Seeing Eye app is
clearly the option as it integrates the benefits of multiple apps into one
package.

I'm beginning to believe that an accessible GPS solution is entering into
the realm of essential adaptive technology for the highly independent blind
person along with a screen reader, portable book reader and OCR technology.
In recent years, all of these have become more affordable so it is possible
to talk about a complete set of tools within the budget of many.

Kelly





On 7/4/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Kelly,

 They may offer turn by turn walking directions which will definitely 
 be nice and possibly superior to what navigon currently offers, but I 
 assume that you still have to set a destination and calculate a route 
 before you get that. The big advantage of something like the SeeingEye 
 app is the fact that you can just load the app and start walking and 
 it will give you very useful feedback about cross streets, 
 intersections and points of interest without having to do anything. 
 Apps like Sendero LookAround, Ariadne GPS, BlindSquare and so on have 
 been developed largely because they offer some of this functionality 
 while commercial apps like \navigon don't offer this functionality at 
 all. I remember a lot of posts from new iPhone users over the years 
 who asked which GPS app they should use in order to get this level of 
 

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2013-07-04 Thread EricSS
I have to rebuild my feed list. Plus, I can get some fresh new perspectives. 

Could you send me your favorite RSS. I don't mind the subject covered; I can 
edit to my taste as I go. 

Many thanks in advance!


sseri...@gmail.com
 

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