date:20200919

Hello Robin,

I am running iOS 13.7 on my beloved 8 Plus (smile).

Mark



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 7:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting 
iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

JustWonderin:
Which iteration of Apple's iOS is  ON  Your (Beloved) 8+?
At 05:00 PM 9/19/2020, you wrote:
>Hello Cristobal,
>
>I have not yet updated my beloved 8 Plus to iOS 
>14 and do not plan on doing so anytime soon.
>
>However, I have updated my iPad to iPad OS 14 
>and am not experiencing any of the focus issues, reported on the list.
>
>Question:  Does disabling Scene Description mode 
>resolve the VoiceOver focus problem?
>
>I ask because doing so on my iPad made VoiceOver perform as expected.
>
>Mark
>
>
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CristÃ³bal MuÃ±oz
>Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:35 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to 
>reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
>
>That… sucks.
>The VO jumpiness and getting stuck is something 
>I too have reported to Apple Accessibility. I 
>believe others are experiencing it too. Itâ€™s 
>actually a major pain and feels like a major bug.
>I get it when trying to share something via the 
>share sheet, When trying to fill in log in 
>credentials with 1Password and randomly here and 
>there throughout iOS. It also seems to be 
>present in SeeingAI. Pretty much breaking that functionality.
>In my case, I reported it via email and the 
>accessibility team asked me to provide a screen 
>recording of the issue as well as a system log 
>during the time I did the screen recording which I did.
>There are some other bugs Iâ€™m dealing with in 
>regards to text editing and VO being over chatty 
>now (saying toolbar on the toolbar now), but 
>this jumpiness and getting stuck on buttons/edit fields etc. really is a pain.
>Good
>luck and hopefully you can find some sort of 
>resolution instead of having to wait for an open Apple store.
>
>CristÃ³bal
>
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
>Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:27 PM
>To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
>Subject: Caution against following advice to 
>reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
>
>Hello List,
>
>I want to caution others from avoiding the 
>problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple 
>Accessibility to report an issue I was having 
>with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting 
>under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media 
>and purchases, I noticed that when swiping 
>through the various controls to check out the 
>screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple 
>ID control in the upper left of the screen. This 
>was some major jumping and occurred on several 
>controls on that screen. Trying to be a good 
>citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report 
>the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard 
>who was nice enough but who suggested I reset 
>all my settings to factory defaults. I argued 
>with him that I had a lot of custom settings and 
>wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was 
>the first suggestion they gave after getting 
>contacted about problems following an iOS 
>upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all 
>my settings. Here are some of the things that 
>were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again:
>
>1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.
>2. My Touch ID was reset.
>3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.
>4. All my custom keyboards were removed.
>5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.
>6. My default ringtone was reset.
>7. The background color of my home screen was 
>reset from a sea green to something that appears 
>to be sort of a red orange color.
>8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.
>
>I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the 
>settings but could never figure out how to reset 
>the background color of my home screen. I looked 
>under display and screen settings and under 
>Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to 
>restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes 
>before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an 
>hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple 
>logo appears on a black screen as it used to 
>when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few 
>seconds and then disappears and then reappears 
>again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not 
>restart and is no longer recognized when I plug 
>it to the lightning cable and open iTunes.
>
>So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 
>14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't 
>let them convince you to reset your settings. 
>I've never had a problem with restoration of an 
>iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my

Re: iPhone SE 2020 successfully recovered and restored

Glad to hear that you got everything back. I had something similar back 
in 2017 and I wasn't as lucky as you were. But fortunately T-mobile did 
a warranty exchange and I was only down for one day. But I definitely 
know how that feels. I posted here on the group about how to help with 
the VO lag a little.


On 9/20/2020 12:12 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:


Hi List,

I want to thank those who posted well wishes and instructions for 
recovering my iPhone SE after a failed attempt to restore last night's 
encrypted iTunes backup following a reset of all settings as directed 
by Apple Accessibility. I spoke to another Apple Accessibility person 
named Patricia who was very helpful. She directed me to start iTunes 
on my computer and with the phone disconnected, to press volume up, 
volume down, and then hold the side power button and connect the phone 
to the computer with its lightning cable while continuing to hold down 
the power button. This put the phone in recovery mode. iTunes prompted 
me to either update or restore the phone. I attempted the update at 
first but this was a no go because my iPhone screen kept displaying 
the Apple logo appearing and disappearing for a few seconds at a time. 
After the update failed, I got into recovery mode again and did a 
restore which worked to reset my iPhone just as it was when it arrived 
new. I was then able to restore last night's backup when prompted to 
either start using it as a new phone or to restore a backup. This 
restoration took a bit over an hour and all my apps had to re-download 
again but I got all my settings back including everything that was 
reset when directed by Willard at Apple Accessibility. I have no clue 
what caused the phone to hang as it did during my first restore but 
I'm very glad I got everything back. I'll chalk this up to a learning 
experience.


I just want to encourage everyone who is planning on doing an iOS 
upgrade, especially a major one such as with iOS 14, to backup your 
device before doing so. You never know what might happen during the 
upgrade and having to start over fresh can be most time consuming.


Alan Lemly

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iPhone SE 2020 successfully recovered and restored

Hi List,

 

I want to thank those who posted well wishes and instructions for recovering
my iPhone SE after a failed attempt to restore last night's encrypted iTunes
backup following a reset of all settings as directed by Apple Accessibility.
I spoke to another Apple Accessibility person named Patricia who was very
helpful. She directed me to start iTunes on my computer and with the phone
disconnected, to press volume up, volume down, and then hold the side power
button and connect the phone to the computer with its lightning cable while
continuing to hold down the power button. This put the phone in recovery
mode. iTunes prompted me to either update or restore the phone. I attempted
the update at first but this was a no go because my iPhone screen kept
displaying the Apple logo appearing and disappearing for a few seconds at a
time. After the update failed, I got into recovery mode again and did a
restore which worked to reset my iPhone just as it was when it arrived new.
I was then able to restore last night's backup when prompted to either start
using it as a new phone or to restore a backup. This restoration took a bit
over an hour and all my apps had to re-download again but I got all my
settings back including everything that was reset when directed by Willard
at Apple Accessibility. I have no clue what caused the phone to hang as it
did during my first restore but I'm very glad I got everything back. I'll
chalk this up to a learning experience.

 

I just want to encourage everyone who is planning on doing an iOS upgrade,
especially a major one such as with iOS 14, to backup your device before
doing so. You never know what might happen during the upgrade and having to
start over fresh can be most time consuming.

 

Alan Lemly

 

 

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Reducing VO lag in IOS 14

So there is a temporary fix that helps minimize the voice over lag 
you'll experience in IOS 14, and this is really simple and easy. You 
simply add a second language to your rotor and switch to it. I just 
added English Samantha like I use for the default. When you switch to it 
in the rotor, the lag is gone. So here's how to do this for those who 
want to know. Head over to settings, accessibility. Then go to voice 
over and go to speech. Find add rotor language and select your desired 
language. Then you can select the voice you wish to use. Once you have 
it set up, turn the rotor until you get to language and flick up or down 
to switch to it. So basically when you switch from your default language 
in the rotor the lag is substantially reduced. Some of you probably have 
this already set up if you like to switch voices on the fly. So just 
switch from your default language and see if you notice the difference. 
If you don't see a difference, remove the second rotor language and redo 
it.


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Re: Big-time battery drain on my iPhone 7 Plus

Hi Mary,
Has your battery issue hesolved?
I  waited a couple days to be sure I evaluate my battery life on the SE 2020 
and the first generation SE, and binth have been very good.
No extra fast battery drain.
The SE 2020 has what I am guessing is still the beta that came out the day 
before the release.
I've seen no new public betas even though the developers are on a later 14.x 
build.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 16, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I have been running the beta on my iPhone 7 Plus, and throughout the entire 
cycle, I never noticed anything strange about battery drain. Yesterday, I 
downloaded what I presume was the golden master. When I went to bed last night, 
my phone had the airplane mode on and Wi-Fi off. Screen was locked. I don’t 
remember exactly what my battery was, but I know it was way over 50. I got up 
this morning to a dead battery. 0%. I charged it up to 100, and now, it’s down 
in the 40s again. I’ve been using it, but not that much. And I always leave the 
screen locked when the phone is not in use. This battery drain is astonishing. 
I just put iOS 14 on my other phone, a Xr, so I guess I’ll see what happens. 
Strange that all the way through the cycle I didn’t have any issues, but now 
it’s not good at all.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

2020-09-19 Thread Janet Bell

Hi Richard thanks very much for this I will give it a go later.  Janet

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

Yes, you can put all your music in iTunes and sync your phone so long as you 
have sync entire library checked and have enough room on your phone.

>From iTunes, press alt+f and down arrow to add folder to library and hit enter.

Then, you can use the standard Windows interface to navigate to a folder where 
you have music and hit enter, then I believe you tab to select and press enter.

Depending on how you have itunes set, that will either copy the music to the 
iTunes folder, or just add that folder to iTunes.  If it copies the music to 
iTunes, you will have two copies of the music on your computer.

>From Windows Explorer, you can navigate to your music wherever it is on your 
>computer,

Select and copy,

Then go to the folder where the iTunes music is stored.

On my machine that is:

C:\Users\YourUserName\Music\iTunes\iTunes Media

In that folder should be a folder called “Automatically Add to itunes,” open 
that folder and paste your music there.

When you run iTunes, the music will move from the automatically Add to iTunes 
folder, into its respective folders based on the tag labels of the music.

Then, Sync your phone.

HTh,

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

is there a way to get all of your music from your computer into iTunes so that 
you can put it on yur iPhone as you wish?  Janet

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:47 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

Plug the USb cable into the phone and computer.

Unlock your phone if it isn’t already unlocked.

Launch iTunes.

Tab until you hear iPhone, press the spacebar.

Tab or shift tab until you get to the Sync button and press your spacebar.

If you tab a few times you can hear where it is in the process.

When it is done, press the done button which shows up next to where the sync 
button was.

If you get stuck somewhere along the way, I’d call Apple Accessibility, 
877-204-3930

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

How do you sync your phone with the latest version of iTunes? I did update it 
but that's all I've been able to do.

Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 19, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

  I'm learning to live with iTunes 12.109 after iOS 14.

  I think I have found a way, at least for me, to use iTunes for listening to 
music from my Windows 10 Home  computer that is much better than it used to be.

  ON the view menu, which you get to with alt+v, these are the things I have 
checked:

  All Music, Checked

  View as  sub menu, right arrow to open and see that Grid is checked

  Sort by submenu, right arrow, I prefer Artist being checked

  Visualizer submenu, iTunes classic visualizer checked

  Then, when you have your library checked, and tab past the Store checkbox and 
hear table, if you use your right or left arrow key, you will hear the album 
title and artist in alphabetical order by the artist's first name.

  If you have lots of music, and want to get to a particular letter quickly, 
just press that letter, then hit your right arrow.  

  When you want it to play, just hit your spacebar.

  I have an Onkyo receiver that has Airplay, so I can play music in the living 
room from my computer in my home office.

  This may have been possible in earlier iTunes, but I just finally figured 
this out and I thought others may find this helpful.

  Richard

  "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Re: Podcasts problem in iOS 14

I only know that if you delete the native app, you will have to subscribe to 
the podcasts again from Overcast  But the term subscribe is different with 
podcasts than something like Apple Music.I think you are more like just signing 
up for a podcast in a given app, and if you delete the app, you delete the sign 
up/subscription.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 19, 2020, at 8:09 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:

I’ve been thinking exactly of removing the native podcast app, and use 
Overcast as you mentioned. With iOS14, they changed it! And it’s kind of 
complicated to use! Thus I’ve a question if when I remove the native podcast 
app, will I automatically be unsubscribed from the podcasts on the native app?
Thanks for info.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 19 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:20 a.m., Richard Turner  
escribió:

I removed the native Podcast app in favor of Overcast and it still offers the 
flick up or down to delete.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:34 AM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Fwd: Podcasts problem in iOS 14





While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and
the podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no
way to flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in
iOS 13. I can now double tap and hold and select either remove which
sounds scary or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture
that you could flick up or down to delete that particular episode
Harry

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Re: Unstacking a widget stack using voiceover

You probably know this, but  I am fairly sure you can only delete the stack to 
get them out of the stack, then you can add the widgets back. From my reading, 
the stacks are from dragging app widgets on top of one another like making 
folders. but there is something called Smaart Stack that apparently 
automatically groups widgets which I do not know much about.Is there a setting 
having to do with smart stacking?



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 19, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Well, I did delete one item. But the rest of them, I would just like them not 
to be in a stack. I don’t think the stacks are all that great. I don’t know how 
this one became a stack. I didn’t do it intentionally. So what I want to do is 
not have a stack, but not actually delete all of the apps that are in the 
stack. Does that make sense? It does not seem to be a way to unstack the 
widgets but still keep them.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2020, at 7:36 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

If you want to edit the items in your stack, find the stack item and triple 
tap it to bring up the context menu. One of the options will be to edit the 
stack. If you want to remove an item from the stack, find it by flicking or 
exploring and then use the VO actions to delete it. You can also use VO actions 
to move the item up or down in the stack, plus there's an icon that let's you 
drag and drop each item in the stack.

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Chaltain at Gmail

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:47 PM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: Unstacking a widget stack using voiceover

There are a large number of widgets in a stack on my widget screen. I want to
get rid of most of them. So I tried to go into the context menu for the stack,
hoping there would be a delete button for the individual items. But I can’t find
any such thing. I see drag and re-order, but I want to delete. But I don’t want 
to
delete every single one in the stack. How can I do this? I never did figure it 
out
during the beta cycle on my older phone.
I am assuming there is a way to unstack widget.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?

It sounds like you're having internet service problems.  From what I 
understand you should only be getting LTE service / using cellular data if 
your devices are set to go to LTE when WiFi is unavailable.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: Mary Otten
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?


No. I have not reset my network settings. I did find out that my husband who 
has a Mac which is also on Wi-Fi, his Mac is getting very slow results too. 
And that Mac has not been updated in a while. So I have a feeling it must 
have something to do with the router. But then why would LTE on the phone be 
affected? It’s really very weird. And it’s beyond my pay grade.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>
> Have you tried reseting just network settings?
> Maybe it just needs a kick in the pants.
> I think we are not paying for much speed.
> It is fast enough for what I do.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
> Edward Herbert
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?
>
> Well, I guess it depends on what speed you’re paying for. We just changed 
> plans, and strangely enough, the cheaper plan had a better Internet speed. 
> It’s 600 that we are supposed to get. Now I never get that over Wi-Fi. But 
> I am in the hundreds, or should be. So I just don’t know.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I just tested my SE 2020 with the speedtest app and the download speed 
>> is 119 Megabits per second.  Upload 5.99 MegaBitsPperSsecond.
>> I  don't often do this, so have no idea if those numbers are decent or 
>> not.
>>
>> We also have Comcast/Xfinity.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
>> Edward Herbert
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:33 PM
>> To: VIPhone via 
>> Subject: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?
>>
>> Something strange is going on with download speed here. On this phone, 
>> whether or not I am on LTE or on my Wi-Fi, speed is much less than usual. 
>> This is with iOS 14. I use the speed test app. Usually, my download over 
>> the LTE is somewhere just north of 100 mbps. And if I’m on my Wi-Fi 
>> network, it’s considerably more than that. The fact that both speeds are 
>> way down from where they should be makes me think there’s something going 
>> on with the phone. Checked my 7+, and it’s download speed is also way 
>> down on Wi-Fi. That one doesn’t have a Sim, so I can’t check LTE. It’s 
>> not my cable, because I have a computer with a wired connection, and it’s 
>> getting over 600 which is what it should get. So it’s not Comcast. I’m 
>> really at a loss. I have an Orby mesh system which has worked very well 
>> since we got it a couple of years ago. The app is still working, and it 
>> appears everything is online as it should be. But this is really screwed 
>> up.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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pixel 4a review

2020-09-19 Thread Dennis Long

For those that would like to check out a Google phone at $50 less than a
iPhone SE  hear is a review of the Pixel 4a.  It will get Android 11.

https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_4a-review-2148p3.php

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RE: 14 woes

2020-09-19 Thread Dennis Long

I am done with crapple  The released a bug that never should’ve got out the 
door.  You don’t hear notifications while on a call.  This is a confirmed bug!  
This is the second year in a row where they released something before it is 
ready.  Yes Android has its issues but at least you can hear the notifications 
while on a call.  Also in Android 11 you can do multi finger jesters.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anne West
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 14 woes

 

I just caught up on several days of email. Things have been crazy here.

 

I never, never download an IOS update the day it comes out. I downloaded 14 
yesterday and got a very unwelcomed surprise when my phone finished.

 

My iPhone 8 started up on the screen that appears the first time a new phone is 
powered on. That happened to me once before shortly after I got my first 
iPhone. I was on hold for almost 2 hours yesterday for an Apple Advisor and 
finally Leon from WI answered my call. He very patiently walked me through the 
fix and all seems right with the world. I haven’t accessed the media and 
purchases screen but I did play with widgets a little. My apps seem to be okay. 
I haven’t used all of my apps on the phone since I got 14 however. My phone did 
jump around in the messaging and weather apps a bit. Now I know why.

 

I don’t understand why updates are released before they are ready. Companies 
should wait until they have the updates right. Apple messed up this time.

 

I’ve never heard of DFU mode and I think it’s something I should forget about. 
But, I’m going to save the article.

 

That’s it from here. Goodnight all!

 

Anne

 

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Re: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?

No. I have not reset my network settings. I did find out that my husband who 
has a Mac which is also on Wi-Fi, his Mac is getting very slow results too. And 
that Mac has not been updated in a while. So I have a feeling it must have 
something to do with the router. But then why would LTE on the phone be 
affected? It’s really very weird. And it’s beyond my pay grade.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried reseting just network settings?
> Maybe it just needs a kick in the pants.
> I think we are not paying for much speed.
> It is fast enough for what I do.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?
> 
> Well, I guess it depends on what speed you’re paying for. We just changed 
> plans, and strangely enough, the cheaper plan had a better Internet speed. 
> It’s 600 that we are supposed to get. Now I never get that over Wi-Fi. But I 
> am in the hundreds, or should be. So I just don’t know.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just tested my SE 2020 with the speedtest app and the download speed is 
>> 119 Megabits per second.  Upload 5.99 MegaBitsPperSsecond.
>> I  don't often do this, so have no idea if those numbers are decent or not.
>> 
>> We also have Comcast/Xfinity.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:33 PM
>> To: VIPhone via 
>> Subject: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?
>> 
>> Something strange is going on with download speed here. On this phone, 
>> whether or not I am on LTE or on my Wi-Fi, speed is much less than usual. 
>> This is with iOS 14. I use the speed test app. Usually, my download over the 
>> LTE is somewhere just north of 100 mbps. And if I’m on my Wi-Fi network, 
>> it’s considerably more than that. The fact that both speeds are way down 
>> from where they should be makes me think there’s something going on with the 
>> phone. Checked my 7+, and it’s download speed is also way down on Wi-Fi. 
>> That one doesn’t have a Sim, so I can’t check LTE. It’s not my cable, 
>> because I have a computer with a wired connection, and it’s getting over 600 
>> which is what it should get. So it’s not Comcast. I’m really at a loss. I 
>> have an Orby mesh system which has worked very well since we got it a couple 
>> of years ago. The app is still working, and it appears everything is online 
>> as it should be. But this is really screwed up.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Unstacking a widget stack using voiceover

Well, I did delete one item. But the rest of them, I would just like them not 
to be in a stack. I don’t think the stacks are all that great. I don’t know how 
this one became a stack. I didn’t do it intentionally. So what I want to do is 
not have a stack, but not actually delete all of the apps that are in the 
stack. Does that make sense? It does not seem to be a way to unstack the 
widgets but still keep them.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 7:36 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> If you want to edit the items in your stack, find the stack item and triple 
> tap it to bring up the context menu. One of the options will be to edit the 
> stack. If you want to remove an item from the stack, find it by flicking or 
> exploring and then use the VO actions to delete it. You can also use VO 
> actions to move the item up or down in the stack, plus there's an icon that 
> let's you drag and drop each item in the stack.
> 
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> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:47 PM
>> To: VIPhone via 
>> Subject: Unstacking a widget stack using voiceover
>> 
>> There are a large number of widgets in a stack on my widget screen. I want to
>> get rid of most of them. So I tried to go into the context menu for the 
>> stack,
>> hoping there would be a delete button for the individual items. But I can’t 
>> find
>> any such thing. I see drag and re-order, but I want to delete. But I don’t 
>> want to
>> delete every single one in the stack. How can I do this? I never did figure 
>> it out
>> during the beta cycle on my older phone.
>> I am assuming there is a way to unstack widget.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other Live Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

2020-09-19 Thread Jim Fettgather

AD is available, but your local channels must carry the audio description, 
since Youtube TV gets its feed directly from the channels in your specific 
market or city.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Candy 
Lowe
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other 
Live Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

> I have also been thinking about subscribing to youtube tv.  Do the channels 
> have audio description.  I would be accessing it with my iPhone SE 2020.

Thanks.  
Candy

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RE: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other Live Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

2020-09-19 Thread Jim Fettgather

Hello, yes, Google has a pretty simple process to set up a payment method for 
any and all Google services, so it is really easy to opt out of any of them, 
but you're correct that you need a credit card on file.
Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other 
Live Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

Okay, Jim,

I will keep this in mind.  

I'm presuming that one must have a credit card on file with Google in order to 
subscribe to YouTube TV, right?

Mark

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Jim Fettgather
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 12:04 PM
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Subject: RE: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other 
Live Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

I really enjoy Youtube TV, and let me just say, it is very very easy to pause 
your subscription for 8 weeks, or subscribe or unsubscribe, even though you 
cannot use the Apple subscription service to perform these actions. The process 
just takes 2 or 3 minutes. 
Thanks
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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other Live 
Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

Hello Everyone,

I am thinking about subscribing to YouTube TV for use on my Apple TV device.

Does anyone know if the app is VoiceOver accessible?  

I am going to assume that if the app is VoiceOver accessible on Apple TV, then 
it will most likely be accessible on iPad OS 14; I hope.

Believe it or not, I am currently in a situation where, because of the pandemic 
lock-down, I cannot get new cable TV service installed in my home from my 
preferred cable provider.  

So, because I would very much like to have a live local TV streaming service, I 
have been researching various TV streaming services and YouTube TV seems to 
come very highly recommended.  

The only thing about YouTube TV that I don't like is that one cannot sign up 
for a subscription through Apple.  It has been my experience that, while it may 
be easy to sign up for a monthly third-party subscription, it can be much more 
difficult to unsubscribe.

I prefer to subscribe to third-party services through Apple because I know that 
I can easily unsubscribe when ready, without any hassle.

So, if anyone knows of a local live TV streaming service that allows 
subscriptions through Apple please let me know as I would greatly appreciate 
any help on this.

Thank you,

Mark

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Re: Podcasts problem in iOS 14

2020-09-19 Thread Gerardo Corripio

I’ve been thinking exactly of removing the native podcast app, and use Overcast 
as you mentioned. With iOS14, they changed it! And it’s kind of complicated to 
use! Thus I’ve a question if when I remove the native podcast app, will I 
automatically be unsubscribed from the podcasts on the native app?
Thanks for info.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 19 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:20 a.m., Richard Turner 
>  escribió:
> 
> I removed the native Podcast app in favor of Overcast and it still offers 
> the flick up or down to delete.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:34 AM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Fwd: Podcasts problem in iOS 14
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and 
>>> the podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no 
>>> way to flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in 
>>> iOS 13. I can now double tap and hold and select either remove which 
>>> sounds scary or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture 
>>> that you could flick up or down to delete that particular episode 
>>> Harry
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Re: Reminders app

I tried again, I told Siri to remind me every morning at 8:30 to take One folic 
acid pill. And then I created a second reminder to  remind me every morning at 
11:30am to take one Tarisso…  And when I went into the reminders app this time 
it  showed the correct times and after each entry it indicated daily. it only 
has that in the list of scheduled reminders for tomorrow and Monday and nothing 
beyond that. So as you say Richard maybe it will only show the reminder a few 
days at a time. We will see what happens come tomorrow or Monday. Maybe The app 
only shows you a couple of days at a time.I’d be surprised if i’d be surprised 
if I formally used a wording that was different than what I just used but at 
least this time it worked.On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:
> 
> I had not used reminders hardly at all.
> I just tried saying to Siri, "set a daily reminder at 5 PM to take my 
> melatonin."
> It shows it for today.
> When I went into edit it, it shows it at 5PM, repeat daily, end repeat never.
> So, I suspect that tomorrow, it will remind me again at 5 PM.  If I ask Siri, 
> do I have any reminders tomorrow, it says no.
> But, it could be it doesn't show up until that day.
> After 5 PM tomorrow, I will let you know if it repeated.
> Or, I'll check in the morning if I have a reminder for Sunday and let you 
> know.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 9:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Reminders app
> 
> Hello,
> Can anyone tell me how I can tell Siri to set a reminder to repeat every 
> single day? There is some thing when you go into edit details that says has 
> the option of repeating a daily and then ending never but it doesn’t work. 
> Even after hitting the done button. Does anyone know how this is best done?
> Deirdre
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

2020-09-19 Thread Robin


JustWonderin:
Which iteration of Apple's iOS is  ON  Your (Beloved) 8+?
At 05:00 PM 9/19/2020, you wrote:

Hello Cristobal,

I have not yet updated my beloved 8 Plus to iOS 
14 and do not plan on doing so anytime soon.


However, I have updated my iPad to iPad OS 14 
and am not experiencing any of the focus issues, reported on the list.


Question:  Does disabling Scene Description mode 
resolve the VoiceOver focus problem?


I ask because doing so on my iPad made VoiceOver perform as expected.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CristÃ³bal MuÃ±oz

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to 
reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility


That… sucks.
The VO jumpiness and getting stuck is something 
I too have reported to Apple Accessibility. I 
believe others are experiencing it too. Itâ€™s 
actually a major pain and feels like a major bug.
I get it when trying to share something via the 
share sheet, When trying to fill in log in 
credentials with 1Password and randomly here and 
there throughout iOS. It also seems to be 
present in SeeingAI. Pretty much breaking that functionality.
In my case, I reported it via email and the 
accessibility team asked me to provide a screen 
recording of the issue as well as a system log 
during the time I did the screen recording which I did.
There are some other bugs Iâ€™m dealing with in 
regards to text editing and VO being over chatty 
now (saying toolbar on the toolbar now), but 
this jumpiness and getting stuck on buttons/edit fields etc. really is a pain.

Good
luck and hopefully you can find some sort of 
resolution instead of having to wait for an open Apple store.


CristÃ³bal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Alan Lemly

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:27 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
Subject: Caution against following advice to 
reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility


Hello List,

I want to caution others from avoiding the 
problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple 
Accessibility to report an issue I was having 
with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting 
under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media 
and purchases, I noticed that when swiping 
through the various controls to check out the 
screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple 
ID control in the upper left of the screen. This 
was some major jumping and occurred on several 
controls on that screen. Trying to be a good 
citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report 
the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard 
who was nice enough but who suggested I reset 
all my settings to factory defaults. I argued 
with him that I had a lot of custom settings and 
wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was 
the first suggestion they gave after getting 
contacted about problems following an iOS 
upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all 
my settings. Here are some of the things that 
were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again:


1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.
2. My Touch ID was reset.
3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.
4. All my custom keyboards were removed.
5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.
6. My default ringtone was reset.
7. The background color of my home screen was 
reset from a sea green to something that appears 
to be sort of a red orange color.

8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.

I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the 
settings but could never figure out how to reset 
the background color of my home screen. I looked 
under display and screen settings and under 
Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to 
restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes 
before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an 
hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple 
logo appears on a black screen as it used to 
when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few 
seconds and then disappears and then reappears 
again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not 
restart and is no longer recognized when I plug 
it to the lightning cable and open iTunes.


So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 
14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't 
let them convince you to reset your settings. 
I've never had a problem with restoration of an 
iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my 
phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store.


I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version 
before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If 
anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly 
welcome them because I need my phone before I'll 
be able to get to an Apple Store.


Alan Lemly

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Re: Quiet rant of the morning

2020-09-19 Thread Robin

Thanks, I  thought  that  I would Leave 
AutomaticUpdates  Turned ON, but  After 
Readin'Through ThisThread, I  decidedNot to 
Leave AutomaticUpdates Turned ON

so
Now, My VZW  XS MAX is  ON iOS12.4.1  & My VZW 11PRO is ON  iOS13.7

I'm Glad that  I  saw ThisThread before  it 
AutomaticallyUpdated  to iOS14, as it Failed 
numerous Times probably Because I'm ChargingIt 
wirelessly, as it Recently UpDated to iOS13.7, 
but then  I was ChargingIt using the  Wire Cable (Lightning Cord)

At 04:55 PM 9/19/2020, you wrote:

HELLO,
I totally get where you're coming from. I am a Logic Pro and Mainstage
user on the mac, and will not upgrade to big sir upon its reliese. iOS
13.7 is stable at this point, forteen has some nifty features and it
is rather interesting, I am a public beta tester for it, but since
you're happy with 13.7 stick with it. in my view, if you are using
software which requires an older version of software, and this
concloosion goes for everything, not just iOS, as long as something
does what you want, it is pointless to upgrade. I've got an iPad Mini
two which has ran it's update(s), at 12.4.8. it is stable and does
what I need it two. I also have an AirPort Extreem  Base station,
which does not get firmware updates either, stuck at firmware 7.8.1,
but it works for me. so it is not nessessary to upgrade just because
new software is out. my advice to you, never upgrade iOS, because it
is an involved process to get thirteen back, after Apple officially
stops signing it. it can be done, but you've gotta know what you're
doing.
regards,
Daniel Angus MacDonald


On 9/19/20, deidre muccio  wrote:
> Hello all,
> Iâ€™m never one eager to update. I know that 
some here feel that the security

> patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update.
> However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things
> that never get repaired, that were not broken 
before, totally cause me to be
> discouraged about where the heads are at 
around the programmers and the beta
> testers that do this work on all our behalf. 
Minor structural changes happen

> over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then
> they put the positioning of things such as 
delete versus remove in different
> places or substitute them, or cause you to 
have to use different gestures to

> remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy
> to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes  benefit
> when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotorâ€¦ what
> about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us
> using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth 
keyboard, the speech recognition
> capacity in my estimation has greatly 
deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri

> is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which Iâ€™ve
> known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and
> less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally
> baffling. And Iâ€™m not always mumbling 
either. And does it bother anyone else

> that if  auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the
> program still insist on putting parts of 
words phrases and pronouns in there

> that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit
> them out?
> There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was
> happy with 12. From what Iâ€™ve been reading here in the last week or so, I
> have no intention of updating to 14. I 
donâ€™t have much patience with  work
> arounds that people have to do. Learning 
curve., I can cope with, but things

> that get broken  and things that do not get fixed that could save me a
> gesture or two thatIâ€™m all for, I find troublesome.
> Thereâ€™s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. Itâ€™s
> fortunate that I still love having 
an  iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I
> use it every hour of every single day just 
about aside from when I happen to

> be sleeping… So there are still many pluses.
> Deirdre
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone
>>  wrote:
>>
>> ï»¿
>>>
>>> ï»¿

 ï»¿While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the
 podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to
 flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I
 can now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary
 or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could
 flick up or down to delete that particular episode
 Harry
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Re: Reminders app

2020-09-19 Thread Candy Lowe

You might try this.   Go to settings.  Then go to reminders.  It will tell you 
to set a default list for reminders. I was having a problem with reminders. 
 For some reason, when I would tell Siri to set a reminder, she would put it in 
another list.  Then I would never get a notification for the reminder.  
This only started  happening about a couple of months ago.   I think I have it 
solved now.  If this isn't clear enough, let me know.  

Candy 

Sent from my iPhone 8 

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 9:32 PM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
> The app is pretty rudimentary but I generally have a lot of success using 
> it. I do see that I have one update for it so I’m gonna try that see if that 
> helps. But thanks let me know.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I had not used reminders hardly at all.
>> I just tried saying to Siri, "set a daily reminder at 5 PM to take my 
>> melatonin."
>> It shows it for today.
>> When I went into edit it, it shows it at 5PM, repeat daily, end repeat never.
>> So, I suspect that tomorrow, it will remind me again at 5 PM.  If I ask 
>> Siri, do I have any reminders tomorrow, it says no.
>> But, it could be it doesn't show up until that day.
>> After 5 PM tomorrow, I will let you know if it repeated.
>> Or, I'll check in the morning if I have a reminder for Sunday and let you 
>> know.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 9:31 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Reminders app
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Can anyone tell me how I can tell Siri to set a reminder to repeat every 
>> single day? There is some thing when you go into edit details that says has 
>> the option of repeating a daily and then ending never but it doesn’t work. 
>> Even after hitting the done button. Does anyone know how this is best done?
>> Deirdre
>> 
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RE: Unstacking a widget stack using voiceover

2020-09-19 Thread chaltain

If you want to edit the items in your stack, find the stack item and triple tap 
it to bring up the context menu. One of the options will be to edit the stack. 
If you want to remove an item from the stack, find it by flicking or exploring 
and then use the VO actions to delete it. You can also use VO actions to move 
the item up or down in the stack, plus there's an icon that let's you drag and 
drop each item in the stack.

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> Subject: Unstacking a widget stack using voiceover
> 
> There are a large number of widgets in a stack on my widget screen. I want to
> get rid of most of them. So I tried to go into the context menu for the stack,
> hoping there would be a delete button for the individual items. But I can’t 
> find
> any such thing. I see drag and re-order, but I want to delete. But I don’t 
> want to
> delete every single one in the stack. How can I do this? I never did figure 
> it out
> during the beta cycle on my older phone.
> I am assuming there is a way to unstack widget.
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Re: Reminders app

The app is pretty rudimentary but I generally have a lot of success using it. I 
do see that I have one update for it so I’m gonna try that see if that helps. 
But thanks let me know.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Richard Turner  
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> 
> I had not used reminders hardly at all.
> I just tried saying to Siri, "set a daily reminder at 5 PM to take my 
> melatonin."
> It shows it for today.
> When I went into edit it, it shows it at 5PM, repeat daily, end repeat never.
> So, I suspect that tomorrow, it will remind me again at 5 PM.  If I ask Siri, 
> do I have any reminders tomorrow, it says no.
> But, it could be it doesn't show up until that day.
> After 5 PM tomorrow, I will let you know if it repeated.
> Or, I'll check in the morning if I have a reminder for Sunday and let you 
> know.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
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> muccio
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> Subject: Reminders app
> 
> Hello,
> Can anyone tell me how I can tell Siri to set a reminder to repeat every 
> single day? There is some thing when you go into edit details that says has 
> the option of repeating a daily and then ending never but it doesn’t work. 
> Even after hitting the done button. Does anyone know how this is best done?
> Deirdre
> 
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Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

2020-09-19 Thread Robin

Really? Why didn't that HappenWith Apple's iOS13?
JustSayin
At 04:50 PM 9/19/2020, you wrote:

I'm going to recommend that people who haven't
upgraded to 14 not do so just yet. It's not
going to break your phone, but there are some
huge headaches you'll encounter with IOS 14. The
one good thing about Apple is that they usually
get on this stuff pretty fast and start pushing
out fixes for it. So you'll be able to get 14 in
a few weeks and have a much better experience than others.

On 9/19/2020 6:34 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
And I forgot to mention that the problem with
focus jumping all over the Media and purchases
screen was still present after resetting all of my settings.

Â
Alan
Â
Hello List,
Â
I want to caution others from avoiding the
problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple
Accessibility to report an issue I was having
with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting
under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media
and purchases, I noticed that when swiping
through the various controls to check out the
screen that focus kept jumping back to the
Apple ID control in the upper left of the
screen. This was some major jumping and
occurred on several controls on that screen.
Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple
Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with
someone named Willard who was nice enough but
who suggested I reset all my settings to
factory defaults. I argued with him that I had
a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable
doing that but he said it was the first
suggestion they gave after getting contacted
about problems following an iOS upgrade.
Against my better judgment, I reset all my
settings. Here are some of the things that were
reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again:

Â
1.Â Â All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.
2.Â Â My Touch ID was reset.
3.Â Â The accessibility setting for Voiceover
with the home button was reset.

4.Â Â All my custom keyboards were removed.
5.Â Â My keyboard settings were changed from
Touch typing to standard typing.

6.Â Â My default ringtone was reset.
7.Â Â The background color of my home screen
was reset from a sea green to something that
appears to be sort of a red orange color.

8.Â Â Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.
Â
I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the
settings but could never figure out how to
reset the background color of my home screen. I
looked under display and screen settings and
under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then
decided to restore my encrypted backup I made
with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That
took over an hour and now all my phone does is
that the Apple logo appears on a black screen
as it used to when doing a hard reset but it
appears for a few seconds and then disappears
and then reappears again. The phone which is an
SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer
recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes.

Â
So the moral of this story is if you have an
iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility,
don't let them convince you to reset your
settings. I've never had a problem with
restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup
before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store.

Â
I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version
before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14.
If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd
truly welcome them because I need my phone
before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store.

Â
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Re: Reminders app

Nope, that didn’t work. I’m gonna update the app now and see if that helps.

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> I told Siri to remind me every other Tuesday to put out the recycle bin, and 
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Re: Reminders app

2020-09-19 Thread Holly

Yes, it is much more efficient to let Siri set the dates for the reminder, 
than doing it yourself.


I also had her set a reminder every five days to change my hearing aid 
batteries.  She did it just fine.


Good luck. 


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Re: Reminders app

Seems I would have done that already but I’ll try it again. Rather than go 
through opening the app and editing the details. Wish me luck. Hope it works as 
flawlessly as it worked for you.

Sent from my iPhone

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14 woes

2020-09-19 Thread Anne West

I just caught up on several days of email. Things have been crazy here.

 

I never, never download an IOS update the day it comes out. I downloaded 14
yesterday and got a very unwelcomed surprise when my phone finished.

 

My iPhone 8 started up on the screen that appears the first time a new phone
is powered on. That happened to me once before shortly after I got my first
iPhone. I was on hold for almost 2 hours yesterday for an Apple Advisor and
finally Leon from WI answered my call. He very patiently walked me through
the fix and all seems right with the world. I haven't accessed the media and
purchases screen but I did play with widgets a little. My apps seem to be
okay. I haven't used all of my apps on the phone since I got 14 however. My
phone did jump around in the messaging and weather apps a bit. Now I know
why.

 

I don't understand why updates are released before they are ready. Companies
should wait until they have the updates right. Apple messed up this time.

 

I've never heard of DFU mode and I think it's something I should forget
about. But, I'm going to save the article.

 

That's it from here. Goodnight all!

 

Anne

 

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Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

If all else fails, try this. connect your phone to iTunes and then put 
it into DFU mode. This will give you feedback from your screen reader 
and you'll know if iTunes is still seeing the phone. Be sure to choose 
the update and restore button instead of just restore. I think you have 
to hit the first restore button to get that second update and restore 
button to come up. This will give you a clean install just in case 
something went wrong some where. Then maybe you can update from iCloud 
to get some of your settings back.


On 9/19/2020 8:25 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:


Gordon,

Yes, I also did an iCloud backup before upgrading to iOS 14. I didn't 
expect my restoration of my encrypted iTunes backup to bring back iOS 
13.7. I just wanted to get all my settings back with iOS 14 which is 
what usually happens when you do an iTunes restore. However, my iPhone 
just has a Apple logo on it which appears for a few seconds then 
disappears and then repeats. I'll try to do a recovery with iTunes 
again before going to the Apple Store.


Alan

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Gordon

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*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when 
reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility


You're encrypted backup isn't going to work since it's a 13.7 backup 
and your phone is running 14. If you're lucky your phone might just be 
stuck in recovery mode and didn't actually try to downgrade back to 
13.7 which I'm not sure if Apple is still signing that anymore. Do 
some google searches on ways to get your iPhone out of recovery mode 
to see if any of those suggestions will work. Maybe you'll get lucky 
and it will boot up in IOS 14 and you'll just have to set up as a new 
phone. Do you backup to iCloud as well? If so, you might be able to 
restore from that.


On 9/19/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

Hello List,

I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm
experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue
I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my
name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed
that when swiping through the various controls to check out the
screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the
upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred
on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I
called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with
someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I
reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that
I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that
but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting
contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my
better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the
things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that
again:

1.All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.

2.My Touch ID was reset.

3.The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was
reset.

4.All my custom keyboards were removed.

5.My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard
typing.

6.My default ringtone was reset.

7.The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea
green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.

8.Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.

I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could
never figure out how to reset the background color of my home
screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under
Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my
encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14.
That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple
logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard
reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and
then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not
restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the
lightning cable and open iTunes.

So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to
report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to
reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of
an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of
commission until I get to an Apple Store.

I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up
before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to
try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be
able to get to an Apple Store.

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Re: trouble turning Iphone SE on

2020-09-19 Thread regina alvarado

Oh good idea. I forgot that I once had a person from Apple Accessibility show 
me that one. It really does work. If the home button doesn’t ask for your 
password then the phone is an on. That’s another way to know. Thanks for that 
you just reminded me of that little gem.

Reggie Alvarado 

On Sep 19, 2020, at 9:47 PM, Gordon  wrote:


If it doesn't come up talking right away, press the home button and it should 
ask for your password if the phone is up and running.  

On 9/19/2020 8:11 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> First, the SE phones have no number other than maybe 2nd generation or 2020.
>  
> ON mine, I did the counting seconds with 1 one thousband, two one thousand, 
> and 6 seems to be a pretty good bet for then waiting a minute for it to come 
> up talking.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: 'cwc' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:38 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: trouble turning Iphone SE on
>  
> I am having trouble getting my Iphone  8SE to start. I don’t know how long to 
> hold the on/off button to get it to start. I am a total, and I cannot tell 
> when the screen llights. Up.
> I dread having to turn it off.
>  
> Also, what was the command for a reboot? 
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Re: trouble turning Iphone SE on

If it doesn't come up talking right away, press the home button and it 
should ask for your password if the phone is up and running.


On 9/19/2020 8:11 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


First, the SE phones have no number other than maybe 2^nd generation 
or 2020.


ON mine, I did the counting seconds with 1 one thousband, two one 
thousand, and 6 seems to be a pretty good bet for then waiting a 
minute for it to come up talking.


Richard

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pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


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*Subject:* trouble turning Iphone SE on

I am having trouble getting my Iphone  8SE to start. I don’t know how 
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cannot tell when the screen llights. Up.


I dread having to turn it off.

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RE: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?

Have you tried reseting just network settings?
Maybe it just needs a kick in the pants.
I think we are not paying for much speed.
It is fast enough for what I do.



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among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
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Subject: Re: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?

Well, I guess it depends on what speed you’re paying for. We just changed 
plans, and strangely enough, the cheaper plan had a better Internet speed. It’s 
600 that we are supposed to get. Now I never get that over Wi-Fi. But I am in 
the hundreds, or should be. So I just don’t know.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I just tested my SE 2020 with the speedtest app and the download speed is 
> 119 Megabits per second.  Upload 5.99 MegaBitsPperSsecond.
> I  don't often do this, so have no idea if those numbers are decent or not.
> 
> We also have Comcast/Xfinity.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:33 PM
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> Subject: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?
> 
> Something strange is going on with download speed here. On this phone, 
> whether or not I am on LTE or on my Wi-Fi, speed is much less than usual. 
> This is with iOS 14. I use the speed test app. Usually, my download over the 
> LTE is somewhere just north of 100 mbps. And if I’m on my Wi-Fi network, it’s 
> considerably more than that. The fact that both speeds are way down from 
> where they should be makes me think there’s something going on with the 
> phone. Checked my 7+, and it’s download speed is also way down on Wi-Fi. That 
> one doesn’t have a Sim, so I can’t check LTE. It’s not my cable, because I 
> have a computer with a wired connection, and it’s getting over 600 which is 
> what it should get. So it’s not Comcast. I’m really at a loss. I have an Orby 
> mesh system which has worked very well since we got it a couple of years ago. 
> The app is still working, and it appears everything is online as it should 
> be. But this is really screwed up.
> 
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RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

2020-09-19 Thread Vivian Conger

Thanks everyone for all the comments on IOS 14.  I usually allow automatic 
updates but went in and turned that off for now.

 

I love my iPhone SE 2020 but Apple sure isn’t as careful with updates as when 
Steve Jobs was alive.  Maybe it is just a sign of the times.

 

Vivian and Sallie

 

 

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Lemly
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting 
iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

 

Gordon,

 

Yes, I also did an iCloud backup before upgrading to iOS 14. I didn't expect my 
restoration of my encrypted iTunes backup to bring back iOS 13.7. I just wanted 
to get all my settings back with iOS 14 which is what usually happens when you 
do an iTunes restore. However, my iPhone just has a Apple logo on it which 
appears for a few seconds then disappears and then repeats. I'll try to do a 
recovery with iTunes again before going to the Apple Store.

 

Alan

 

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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting 
iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

 

You're encrypted backup isn't going to work since it's a 13.7 backup and your 
phone is running 14. If you're lucky your phone might just be stuck in recovery 
mode and didn't actually try to downgrade back to 13.7 which I'm not sure if 
Apple is still signing that anymore. Do some google searches on ways to get 
your iPhone out of recovery mode to see if any of those suggestions will work. 
Maybe you'll get lucky and it will boot up in IOS 14 and you'll just have to 
set up as a new phone. Do you backup to iCloud as well? If so, you might be 
able to restore from that.   

On 9/19/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

Hello List,

 

I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after 
calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was 
checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and 
purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check 
out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the 
upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several 
controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple 
Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was 
nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I 
argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable 
doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting 
contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, 
I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will 
prevent me from ever doing that again:

 

1.  All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.
2.  My Touch ID was reset.
3.  The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.
4.  All my custom keyboards were removed.
5.  My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.
6.  My default ringtone was reset.
7.  The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to 
something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.
8.  Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.

 

I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure 
out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display 
and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to 
restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That 
took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a 
black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few 
seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 
2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the 
lightning cable and open iTunes.

 

So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple 
Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never 
had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess 
my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store.

 

I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading 
to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them 
because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Re: trouble turning Iphone SE on

2020-09-19 Thread regina alvarado

I can barely see the lights sometimes, but I can't always see them. After I 
turn off the phone and wait for a minute or two I push and hold the side button 
for about 5 seconds or so. If I don't hear it ping right away I leave it alone 
for a t least 2 minutes and then try again. Another way to see if your screen 
is on is by trying the mute button on the left side of the phone If it says 
nothing when you push it toward the back of the phone you know the phone is not 
on. The mute mute button is the indented switch on the left side of the phone 
at the top that you can move toward the back of the phone and then toward the 
front of the phone. 

Your second question was the re-boot that you want to avoid unless absolutely 
necessary. It is push and release the volume up button, then volume down button 
and then push and hold the side button on the right of the phone. Hope this 
helps.

Reggie Alvarado 

On Sep 19, 2020, at 9:11 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


First, the SE phones have no number other than maybe 2nd generation or 2020.
 
ON mine, I did the counting seconds with 1 one thousband, two one thousand, and 
6 seems to be a pretty good bet for then waiting a minute for it to come up 
talking.
 
 
 
 
Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
 
From: 'cwc' via VIPhone  
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:38 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: trouble turning Iphone SE on
 
I am having trouble getting my Iphone  8SE to start. I don’t know how long to 
hold the on/off button to get it to start. I am a total, and I cannot tell when 
the screen llights. Up.
I dread having to turn it off.
 
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RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

Mark,

Thanks for the DFU article. I'll be trying that in a bit if the other recovery 
option with iTunes doesn't work. I saw the post with the DFU explanation and 
can follow it just fine without any additional formatting.

Alan

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iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

Hello Alan,

I am so very sorry for what you have encountered.  It sounds like a nightmare.

I think the solution to your problem is to put your phone into DFU mode.

I am going to paste in an article that I just found, below.  I will also post 
the article to the list in a separate thread for future reference.

In order to save time and get the article to you as quickly as possible, I will 
not format the document in this paste; however I will format the document in 
its separate thread.

Good luck, my friend, and let us know how it goes.

Mark

How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode, The Apple Way

How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode, The Apple Way By David Payette:  February 20, 
2019

DFU stands for Device Firmware Update, and it s the deepest type of restore you 
can do on an iPhone. An Apple lead genius taught me how to put iPhones into DFU 
mode, and as an Apple tech, I ve done it hundreds of times.
Surprisingly, I ve never seen another article explain how to enter DFU mode the 
way I was trained. A lot of the information out there is just plain wrong. In 
this article, I ll explain what DFU mode is, how firmware works on your iPhone, 
and show you step-by-step how to DFU restore your iPhone.
If you d rather watch than read (actually, both can be helpful), skip down to 
our new YouTube video about DFU mode and how to DFU restore an iPhone.
What You Need To Know Before We Begin
The Home Button is the circular button below your iPhone s display.
The Sleep / Wake Button is Apple s name for the power button.
You ll need a timer to count to 8 seconds (or you can do it in your 
head).
If you can, back up your iPhone to iCloud, iTunes, or Finder before put 
your iPhone in DFU mode.
NEW: Macs running macOS Catalina 10.15 or newer use Finder to DFU 
restore iPhones.

How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode
1.  Plug your iPhone into your computer and open iTunes if you have a Mac 
running macOS Mojave 10.14 or a PC. Open Finder if you have a Mac running macOS 
Catalina 10.15 or newer. It doesn t matter if your iPhone is on or off.

2.  Press and hold the Sleep / Wake Button and Home Button (iPhone 6s and 
below) or the volume down button (iPhone 7) together for 8 seconds.
3.  After 8 seconds, release the Sleep / Wake Button but continue to hold 
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4.  Let go of the Home Button or volume down button. Your iPhone s display 
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try again from the beginning.
5.  Restore your iPhone using iTunes or Finder.

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Re: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?

Well, I guess it depends on what speed you’re paying for. We just changed 
plans, and strangely enough, the cheaper plan had a better Internet speed. It’s 
600 that we are supposed to get. Now I never get that over Wi-Fi. But I am in 
the hundreds, or should be. So I just don’t know.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I just tested my SE 2020 with the speedtest app and the download speed is 
> 119 Megabits per second.  Upload 5.99 MegaBitsPperSsecond.
> I  don't often do this, so have no idea if those numbers are decent or not.
> 
> We also have Comcast/Xfinity.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:33 PM
> To: VIPhone via 
> Subject: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?
> 
> Something strange is going on with download speed here. On this phone, 
> whether or not I am on LTE or on my Wi-Fi, speed is much less than usual. 
> This is with iOS 14. I use the speed test app. Usually, my download over the 
> LTE is somewhere just north of 100 mbps. And if I’m on my Wi-Fi network, it’s 
> considerably more than that. The fact that both speeds are way down from 
> where they should be makes me think there’s something going on with the 
> phone. Checked my 7+, and it’s download speed is also way down on Wi-Fi. That 
> one doesn’t have a Sim, so I can’t check LTE. It’s not my cable, because I 
> have a computer with a wired connection, and it’s getting over 600 which is 
> what it should get. So it’s not Comcast. I’m really at a loss. I have an Orby 
> mesh system which has worked very well since we got it a couple of years ago. 
> The app is still working, and it appears everything is online as it should 
> be. But this is really screwed up.
> 
> 
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Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

2020-09-19 Thread 'Annelie Robledo' via VIPhone



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> And I forgot to mention that the problem with focus jumping all over the 
> Media and purchases screen was still present after resetting all of my 
> settings.
>  
> Alan
>  
> Hello List,
>  
> I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after 
> calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I 
> was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media 
> and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to 
> check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in 
> the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on 
> several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple 
> Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was 
> nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I 
> argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable 
> doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting 
> contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better 
> judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were 
> reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again:
>  
> 1.   All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.
> 2.   My Touch ID was reset.
> 3.   The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.
> 4.   All my custom keyboards were removed.
> 5.   My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.
> 6.   My default ringtone was reset.
> 7.   The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to 
> something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.
> 8.   Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.
>  
> I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never 
> figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked 
> under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I 
> then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before 
> upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that 
> the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard 
> reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears 
> again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer 
> recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes.
>  
> So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple 
> Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never 
> had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I 
> guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store.
>  
> I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading 
> to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them 
> because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store.
>  
> Alan Lemly
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>  Hi, I as well had a problem with the installing of software on my iPhone. 
> Just as an FYI my understanding Apple store are closed. The way I was able to 
> recover my phone is by taking it to a phone shop where they brought it back 
> for me. Apple accessibility was no help at all to me.

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RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

Gordon,

 

Yes, I also did an iCloud backup before upgrading to iOS 14. I didn't expect my 
restoration of my encrypted iTunes backup to bring back iOS 13.7. I just wanted 
to get all my settings back with iOS 14 which is what usually happens when you 
do an iTunes restore. However, my iPhone just has a Apple logo on it which 
appears for a few seconds then disappears and then repeats. I'll try to do a 
recovery with iTunes again before going to the Apple Store.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting 
iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

 

You're encrypted backup isn't going to work since it's a 13.7 backup and your 
phone is running 14. If you're lucky your phone might just be stuck in recovery 
mode and didn't actually try to downgrade back to 13.7 which I'm not sure if 
Apple is still signing that anymore. Do some google searches on ways to get 
your iPhone out of recovery mode to see if any of those suggestions will work. 
Maybe you'll get lucky and it will boot up in IOS 14 and you'll just have to 
set up as a new phone. Do you backup to iCloud as well? If so, you might be 
able to restore from that.   

On 9/19/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

Hello List,

 

I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after 
calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was 
checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and 
purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check 
out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the 
upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several 
controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple 
Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was 
nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I 
argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable 
doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting 
contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, 
I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will 
prevent me from ever doing that again:

 

1.   All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.

2.   My Touch ID was reset.

3.   The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.

4.   All my custom keyboards were removed.

5.   My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.

6.   My default ringtone was reset.

7.   The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to 
something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.

8.   Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.

 

I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure 
out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display 
and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to 
restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That 
took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a 
black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few 
seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 
2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the 
lightning cable and open iTunes.

 

So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple 
Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never 
had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess 
my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store.

 

I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading 
to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them 
because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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RE: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?

I just tested my SE 2020 with the speedtest app and the download speed is 119 
Megabits per second.  Upload 5.99 MegaBitsPperSsecond.
I  don't often do this, so have no idea if those numbers are decent or not.

We also have Comcast/Xfinity.
 



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:33 PM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?

Something strange is going on with download speed here. On this phone, whether 
or not I am on LTE or on my Wi-Fi, speed is much less than usual. This is with 
iOS 14. I use the speed test app. Usually, my download over the LTE is 
somewhere just north of 100 mbps. And if I’m on my Wi-Fi network, it’s 
considerably more than that. The fact that both speeds are way down from where 
they should be makes me think there’s something going on with the phone. 
Checked my 7+, and it’s download speed is also way down on Wi-Fi. That one 
doesn’t have a Sim, so I can’t check LTE. It’s not my cable, because I have a 
computer with a wired connection, and it’s getting over 600 which is what it 
should get. So it’s not Comcast. I’m really at a loss. I have an Orby mesh 
system which has worked very well since we got it a couple of years ago. The 
app is still working, and it appears everything is online as it should be. But 
this is really screwed up.


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Re: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other Live Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

2020-09-19 Thread Candy Lowe

> I have also been thinking about subscribing to youtube tv.  Do the channels 
> have audio description.  I would be accessing it with my iPhone SE 2020.


Thanks.  
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RE: trouble turning Iphone SE on

First, the SE phones have no number other than maybe 2nd generation or 2020.

ON mine, I did the counting seconds with 1 one thousband, two one thousand, and 
6 seems to be a pretty good bet for then waiting a minute for it to come up 
talking.




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From: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:38 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: trouble turning Iphone SE on

I am having trouble getting my Iphone  8SE to start. I don’t know how long to 
hold the on/off button to get it to start. I am a total, and I cannot tell when 
the screen llights. Up.
I dread having to turn it off.

Also, what was the command for a reboot?
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trouble turning Iphone SE on

2020-09-19 Thread 'cwc' via VIPhone



I am having trouble getting my Iphone  8SE to start. I don’t know how long 
to hold the on/off button to get it to start. I am a total, and I cannot 
tell when the screen llights. Up. 

I dread having to turn it off. 

 

Also, what was the command for a reboot? 

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My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?

Something strange is going on with download speed here. On this phone, whether 
or not I am on LTE or on my Wi-Fi, speed is much less than usual. This is with 
iOS 14. I use the speed test app. Usually, my download over the LTE is 
somewhere just north of 100 mbps. And if I’m on my Wi-Fi network, it’s 
considerably more than that. The fact that both speeds are way down from where 
they should be makes me think there’s something going on with the phone. 
Checked my 7+, and it’s download speed is also way down on Wi-Fi. That one 
doesn’t have a Sim, so I can’t check LTE. It’s not my cable, because I have a 
computer with a wired connection, and it’s getting over 600 which is what it 
should get. So it’s not Comcast. I’m really at a loss. I have an Orby mesh 
system which has worked very well since we got it a couple of years ago. The 
app is still working, and it appears everything is online as it should be. But 
this is really screwed up.


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RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

2020-09-19 Thread Cristóbal Muñoz

Hi Mark,
NO, unfortunately it doesn't. As others have mentioned enabling that setting 
made a lot of apps unusable. There was no change in the focus  behavior either. 
The only way I could get VO to stop its weird screen recognition hiccup was to 
restart the device completely. So restarting doesn't resolve anything either. 
Apple responded that they were aware of the HTLM element issue and that they 
were working on it, but man. It's all over the place and once you encounter it, 
that's it. All you can do is force quit the app. Maybe if you're lucky, you can 
dismiss that screen, but that's usually not the case. Also, for me at least, VO 
can't maintain focus on the dictate button. It jumps and flickers and the 
haptic feedback is as if the phone's doing the jitterbug. I have to use the two 
finger double tap to invoke dictation which is not as convenient as simply 
using one hand as more often than not, you've got to use two hands with the two 
finger tap thing. One to hold the device and the other to tap.
All in all, talk about beyond annoying.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting 
iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

Hello Cristobal, 

I have not yet updated my beloved 8 Plus to iOS 14 and do not plan on doing so 
anytime soon.

However, I have updated my iPad to iPad OS 14 and am not experiencing any of 
the focus issues, reported on the list.

Question:  Does disabling Scene Description mode resolve the VoiceOver focus 
problem?

I ask because doing so on my iPad made VoiceOver perform as expected.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting 
iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

That… sucks.
The VO jumpiness and getting stuck is something I too have reported to Apple 
Accessibility. I believe others are experiencing it too. It’s actually a major 
pain and feels like a major bug. 
I get it when trying to share something via the share sheet, When trying to 
fill in log in credentials with 1Password and randomly here and there 
throughout iOS. It also seems to be present in SeeingAI. Pretty much breaking 
that functionality. 
In my case, I reported it via email and the accessibility team asked me to 
provide a screen recording of the issue as well as a system log during the time 
I did the screen recording which I did.
There are some other bugs I’m dealing with in regards to text editing and VO 
being over chatty now (saying toolbar on the toolbar now), but this jumpiness 
and getting stuck on buttons/edit fields etc. really is a pain. 
Good 
luck and hopefully you can find some sort of resolution instead of having to 
wait for an open Apple store.

Cristóbal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:27 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
Subject: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 
14 issues to Apple Accessibility

Hello List,

I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after 
calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was 
checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and 
purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check 
out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the 
upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several 
controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple 
Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was 
nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I 
argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable 
doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting 
contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, 
I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will 
prevent me from ever doing that again:

1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.
2. My Touch ID was reset.
3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.
4. All my custom keyboards were removed.
5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.
6. My default ringtone was reset.
7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to 
something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.
8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.

I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure 
out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display 
and screen

Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

I am still on the beta gold master of 14, and duplicated the behavior. I went 
ahead and did a screen recording and submitted it through the feedback app.
This is intolerable!




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:57 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:

 Alan, I'm sorry for what you have gone through with apple accessibility 
concerning your phone. Some of those people are very good and some not so good. 
I just hope you can get it all resolved very soon!

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:


Hello List,

I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after 
calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was 
checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and 
purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check 
out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the 
upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several 
controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple 
Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was 
nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I 
argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable 
doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting 
contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, 
I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will 
prevent me from ever doing that again:


1.   All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.

2.   My Touch ID was reset.

3.   The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.

4.   All my custom keyboards were removed.

5.   My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.

6.   My default ringtone was reset.

7.   The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to 
something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.

8.   Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.

I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure 
out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display 
and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to 
restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That 
took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a 
black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few 
seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 
2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the 
lightning cable and open iTunes.

So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple 
Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never 
had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess 
my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store.

I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading 
to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them 
because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store.

Alan Lemly


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RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

Hello Cristobal, 

I have not yet updated my beloved 8 Plus to iOS 14 and do not plan on doing so 
anytime soon.

However, I have updated my iPad to iPad OS 14 and am not experiencing any of 
the focus issues, reported on the list.

Question:  Does disabling Scene Description mode resolve the VoiceOver focus 
problem?

I ask because doing so on my iPad made VoiceOver perform as expected.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting 
iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

That… sucks.
The VO jumpiness and getting stuck is something I too have reported to Apple 
Accessibility. I believe others are experiencing it too. It’s actually a major 
pain and feels like a major bug. 
I get it when trying to share something via the share sheet, When trying to 
fill in log in credentials with 1Password and randomly here and there 
throughout iOS. It also seems to be present in SeeingAI. Pretty much breaking 
that functionality. 
In my case, I reported it via email and the accessibility team asked me to 
provide a screen recording of the issue as well as a system log during the time 
I did the screen recording which I did.
There are some other bugs I’m dealing with in regards to text editing and VO 
being over chatty now (saying toolbar on the toolbar now), but this jumpiness 
and getting stuck on buttons/edit fields etc. really is a pain. 
Good 
luck and hopefully you can find some sort of resolution instead of having to 
wait for an open Apple store.

Cristóbal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:27 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
Subject: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 
14 issues to Apple Accessibility

Hello List,

I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after 
calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was 
checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and 
purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check 
out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the 
upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several 
controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple 
Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was 
nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I 
argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable 
doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting 
contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, 
I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will 
prevent me from ever doing that again:

1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.
2. My Touch ID was reset.
3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.
4. All my custom keyboards were removed.
5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.
6. My default ringtone was reset.
7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to 
something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.
8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.

I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure 
out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display 
and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to 
restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That 
took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a 
black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few 
seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 
2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the 
lightning cable and open iTunes.

So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple 
Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never 
had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess 
my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store.

I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading 
to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them 
because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store.

Alan Lemly

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Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

Alan, I'm sorry for what you have gone through with apple accessibility 
concerning your phone. Some of those people are very good and some not so good. 
I just hope you can get it all resolved very soon!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello List,
>  
> I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after 
> calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I 
> was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media 
> and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to 
> check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in 
> the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on 
> several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple 
> Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was 
> nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I 
> argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable 
> doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting 
> contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better 
> judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were 
> reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again:
>  
> 1.   All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.
> 2.   My Touch ID was reset.
> 3.   The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.
> 4.   All my custom keyboards were removed.
> 5.   My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.
> 6.   My default ringtone was reset.
> 7.   The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to 
> something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.
> 8.   Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.
>  
> I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never 
> figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked 
> under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I 
> then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before 
> upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that 
> the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard 
> reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears 
> again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer 
> recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes.
>  
> So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple 
> Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never 
> had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I 
> guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store.
>  
> I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading 
> to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them 
> because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store.
>  
> Alan Lemly
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Re: Quiet rant of the morning

2020-09-19 Thread Daniel MacDonald

HELLO,
I totally get where you're coming from. I am a Logic Pro and Mainstage
user on the mac, and will not upgrade to big sir upon its reliese. iOS
13.7 is stable at this point, forteen has some nifty features and it
is rather interesting, I am a public beta tester for it, but since
you're happy with 13.7 stick with it. in my view, if you are using
software which requires an older version of software, and this
concloosion goes for everything, not just iOS, as long as something
does what you want, it is pointless to upgrade. I've got an iPad Mini
two which has ran it's update(s), at 12.4.8. it is stable and does
what I need it two. I also have an AirPort Extreem  Base station,
which does not get firmware updates either, stuck at firmware 7.8.1,
but it works for me. so it is not nessessary to upgrade just because
new software is out. my advice to you, never upgrade iOS, because it
is an involved process to get thirteen back, after Apple officially
stops signing it. it can be done, but you've gotta know what you're
doing.
regards,
Daniel Angus MacDonald


On 9/19/20, deidre muccio  wrote:
> Hello all,
> I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security
> patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update.
> However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things
> that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be
> discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta
> testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen
> over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then
> they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different
> places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to
> remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy
> to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes  benefit
> when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what
> about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us
> using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition
> capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri
> is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve
> known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and
> less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally
> baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else
> that if  auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the
> program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there
> that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit
> them out?
> There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was
> happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I
> have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with  work
> arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things
> that get broken  and things that do not get fixed that could save me a
> gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome.
> There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s
> fortunate that I still love having an  iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I
> use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to
> be sleeping… So there are still many pluses.
> Deirdre
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>
>>> 

 While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the
 podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to
 flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I
 can now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary
 or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could
 flick up or down to delete that particular episode
 Harry
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How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode, The Apple Way

How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode, The Apple Way
By David Payette:  February 20, 2019

DFU stands for Device Firmware Update, and it's the deepest type of restore
you can do on an iPhone. An Apple lead genius taught me how to put iPhones
into DFU mode, and as an Apple tech, I've done it hundreds of times.

Surprisingly, I've never seen another article explain how to enter DFU mode
the way I was trained. A lot of the information out there is just plain
wrong. In this article, I'll explain what DFU mode is, how firmware works on
your iPhone, and show you step-by-step how to DFU restore your iPhone.

If you'd rather watch than read (actually, both can be helpful), skip down
to our new YouTube video about DFU mode and how to DFU restore an iPhone.
What You Need To Know Before We Begin
.   The Home Button is the circular button below your iPhone's display.
.   The Sleep / Wake Button is Apple's name for the power button.
.   You'll need a timer to count to 8 seconds (or you can do it in your
head).
.   If you can, back up your iPhone to iCloud, iTunes, or Finder before
put your iPhone in DFU mode.
.  NEW: Macs running macOS Catalina 10.15 or newer use Finder to DFU restore
iPhones.

How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode
1.
Plug your iPhone into your computer and open iTunes if you have a Mac
running macOS Mojave 10.14 or a PC. Open Finder if you have a Mac running
macOS Catalina 10.15 or newer. It doesn't matter if your iPhone is on or
off.

2.
Press and hold the Sleep / Wake Button and Home Button (iPhone 6s and below)
or the volume down button (iPhone 7) together for 8 seconds.
3.
After 8 seconds, release the Sleep / Wake Button but continue to hold the
Home Button (iPhone 6s and below) or the volume down button (iPhone 7) until
your iPhone appears in iTunes or Finder. 
4.
Let go of the Home Button or volume down button. Your iPhone's display will
be completely black if you've successfully entered DFU mode. If it's not,
try again from the beginning.
5.
Restore your iPhone using iTunes or Finder.

How To Put An iPhone 8, 8 Plus, Or X In DFU Mode
A lot of other websites give false, misleading, or overcomplicated steps
when telling you how to DFU restore your iPhone 8, 8 Plus, or X. They'll
tell you to turn off your iPhone first, which is completely unnecessary.
Your iPhone does not have to be off before you put it in DFU Mode.

If you like our videos, watch our new YouTube video about how to DFU restore
your iPhone X, 8, or 8 Plus. If you prefer to read the steps, the process is
actually a lot easier than they make it out to be! The process starts off
just like a hard reset.
1.
To DFU restore your iPhone X, 8, or 8 Plus, quickly press and release the
volume up button, then quickly press and release the volume down button, and
then press and hold the side button until the screen goes black.
2.
As soon as the screen turns black, press and hold the volume down button
while continuing to hold the side button.
3.
After 5 seconds, release the side button but continue to hold the volume
down button until your iPhone shows up in iTunes or Finder.
4.
As soon as it appears in iTunes or Finder, release the volume button. Ta-da!
Your iPhone is in DFU mode.
Note: If the Apple logo is appearing on the screen, you held down the volume
down button for too long. Start the process over from the beginning and try
again.

How To Put An iPhone XS, XS Max, Or XR In DFU Mode
The steps for putting an iPhone XS, XS Max, XR in DFU mode are exactly the
same as the steps for the iPhone 8, 8 Plus, and X. Check out our YouTube
video about putting an iPhone XS, XS Max, or XR in DFU mode if you're more
of a visual learner! We use my iPhone XS to walk you through every step of
the process.

How To Put An iPhone 11, 11 Pro, Or 11 Pro Max In DFU Mode
You can put an iPhone 11, 11 Pro, and 11 Pro Max in DFU mode by following
the same steps as you would for an iPhone 8 or newer. Check out our YouTube
video if you need help working through the process.
If You'd Rather Watch Than Read.
Check out our new YouTube tutorial on how to put an iPhone into DFU mode and
how to perform a DFU restore if you'd like to see it in action.

A Word Of Warning
When you DFU restore your iPhone, your computer erases and reloads every bit
of code that controls the software and hardware on your iPhone. There's the
potential for something to go wrong.

If your iPhone is damaged in any way, and especially if it's water-damaged,
a DFU restore may break your iPhone. I've worked with customers who tried to
restore their iPhones to fix a minor problem, but water had damaged another
component that prevented the restore from completing. A useable iPhone with
minor problems can become completely unusable if a DFU restore fails because
of water-damage.

What's Firmware? What Does It Do?
Firmware is the programming that controls the hardware of your device.
Software changes all the time (you install apps and download new email),
hardware never changes (hopefully, you

Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

I'm going to recommend that people who haven't upgraded to 14 not do so
just yet. It's not going to break your phone, but there are some huge
headaches you'll encounter with IOS 14. The one good thing about Apple
is that they usually get on this stuff pretty fast and start pushing out
fixes for it. So you'll be able to get 14 in a few weeks and have a much
better experience than others.

On 9/19/2020 6:34 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

And I forgot to mention that the problem with focus jumping all over
the Media and purchases screen was still present after resetting all
of my settings.

Alan

Hello List,

I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing
after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with
iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when
I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the
various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back
to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some
major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying
to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the
issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who
suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with
him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing
that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting
contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better
judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that
were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again:

1.All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.

2.My Touch ID was reset.

3.The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.

4.All my custom keyboards were removed.

5.My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.

6.My default ringtone was reset.

7.The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to
something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.

8.Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.

I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could
never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen.
I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but
found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made
with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now
all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as
it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds
and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE
2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to
the lightning cable and open iTunes.

So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to
Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your
settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes
encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission
until I get to an Apple Store.

I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before
upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd
truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get
to an Apple Store.

Alan Lemly

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Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

You're encrypted backup isn't going to work since it's a 13.7 backup and
your phone is running 14. If you're lucky your phone might just be stuck
in recovery mode and didn't actually try to downgrade back to 13.7 which
I'm not sure if Apple is still signing that anymore. Do some google
searches on ways to get your iPhone out of recovery mode to see if any
of those suggestions will work. Maybe you'll get lucky and it will boot
up in IOS 14 and you'll just have to set up as a new phone. Do you
backup to iCloud as well? If so, you might be able to restore from that.

On 9/19/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

Hello List,

1.All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.

2.My Touch ID was reset.

3.The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.

4.All my custom keyboards were removed.

5.My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.

6.My default ringtone was reset.

7.The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to
something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.

8.Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.

Alan Lemly

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RE: Reminders app

2020-09-19 Thread Carolyn

I told Siri to tell reminders to remind me of rent payment on the 28th of every 
month. It did until the first update came along. 

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I told Siri to remind me every other Tuesday to put out the recycle bin, and 
she did it flawlessly. 

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App Library

I think the app library is pretty neat. You can find apps easier and quicker I 
think. I found something in there I didn't want and deleted it.

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RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

Hello Alan,

I am so very sorry for what you have encountered.  It sounds like a nightmare.

I think the solution to your problem is to put your phone into DFU mode.

I am going to paste in an article that I just found, below.  I will also post 
the article to the list in a separate thread for future reference.

In order to save time and get the article to you as quickly as possible, I will 
not format the document in this paste; however I will format the document in 
its separate thread.

Good luck, my friend, and let us know how it goes.

Mark

How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode, The Apple Way

How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode, The Apple Way
By David Payette:  February 20, 2019

DFU stands for Device Firmware Update, and it’s the deepest type of restore you 
can do on an iPhone. An Apple lead genius taught me how to put iPhones into DFU 
mode, and as an Apple tech, I’ve done it hundreds of times.
Surprisingly, I’ve never seen another article explain how to enter DFU mode the 
way I was trained. A lot of the information out there is just plain wrong. In 
this article, I’ll explain what DFU mode is, how firmware works on your iPhone, 
and show you step-by-step how to DFU restore your iPhone.
If you’d rather watch than read (actually, both can be helpful), skip down to 
our new YouTube video about DFU mode and how to DFU restore an iPhone.
What You Need To Know Before We Begin
•   The Home Button is the circular button below your iPhone’s display.
•   The Sleep / Wake Button is Apple’s name for the power button.
•   You’ll need a timer to count to 8 seconds (or you can do it in your 
head).
•   If you can, back up your iPhone to iCloud, iTunes, or Finder before put 
your iPhone in DFU mode.
•   NEW: Macs running macOS Catalina 10.15 or newer use Finder to DFU 
restore iPhones.

How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode
1.  Plug your iPhone into your computer and open iTunes if you have a Mac 
running macOS Mojave 10.14 or a PC. Open Finder if you have a Mac running macOS 
Catalina 10.15 or newer. It doesn’t matter if your iPhone is on or off.

2.  Press and hold the Sleep / Wake Button and Home Button (iPhone 6s and 
below) or the volume down button (iPhone 7) together for 8 seconds.
3.  After 8 seconds, release the Sleep / Wake Button but continue to hold 
the Home Button (iPhone 6s and below) or the volume down button (iPhone 7) 
until your iPhone appears in iTunes or Finder. 

4.  Let go of the Home Button or volume down button. Your iPhone’s display 
will be completely black if you’ve successfully entered DFU mode. If it’s not, 
try again from the beginning.
5.  Restore your iPhone using iTunes or Finder.

How To Put An iPhone 8, 8 Plus, Or X In DFU Mode
A lot of other websites give false, misleading, or overcomplicated steps when 
telling you how to DFU restore your iPhone 8, 8 Plus, or X. They’ll tell you to 
turn off your iPhone first, which is completely unnecessary. Your iPhone does 
not have to be off before you put it in DFU Mode.
If you like our videos, watch our new YouTube video about how to DFU restore 
your iPhone X, 8, or 8 Plus. If you prefer to read the steps, the process is 
actually a lot easier than they make it out to be! The process starts off just 
like a hard reset.
1.  To DFU restore your iPhone X, 8, or 8 Plus, quickly press and release 
the volume up button, then quickly press and release the volume down button, 
and then press and hold the side button until the screen goes black.
2.  As soon as the screen turns black, press and hold the volume down 
button while continuing to hold the side button.
3.  After 5 seconds, release the side button but continue to hold the 
volume down button until your iPhone shows up in iTunes or Finder.
4.  As soon as it appears in iTunes or Finder, release the volume button. 
Ta-da! Your iPhone is in DFU mode.
Note: If the Apple logo is appearing on the screen, you held down the volume 
down button for too long. Start the process over from the beginning and try 
again.
How To Put An iPhone XS, XS Max, Or XR In DFU Mode
The steps for putting an iPhone XS, XS Max, XR in DFU mode are exactly the same 
as the steps for the iPhone 8, 8 Plus, and X. Check out our YouTube video about 
putting an iPhone XS, XS Max, or XR in DFU mode if you’re more of a visual 
learner! We use my iPhone XS to walk you through every step of the process.
How To Put An iPhone 11, 11 Pro, Or 11 Pro Max In DFU Mode
You can put an iPhone 11, 11 Pro, and 11 Pro Max in DFU mode by following the 
same steps as you would for an iPhone 8 or newer. Check out our YouTube video 
if you need help working through the process.
If You’d Rather Watch Than Read…
Check out our new YouTube tutorial on how to put an iPhone into DFU mode and 
how to perform a DFU restore if you’d like to see it in action.

A Word Of Warning
When you DFU restore your iPhone, your computer erases and reloads every bit of 
code that controls the software and hardware on

RE: Speakers

2020-09-19 Thread kitty hevener

Oops, sorry for confusion resulting from misspelling on my part.  

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty 
Hutchings
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 7:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speakers

Thanks,  I had spelled Tribit wrong.  I have since found it and you are right, 
it is a very impressive speaker.



Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and 
fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speakers

The speaker is the tribit stormbox speaker.  It is a very nice speaker.

On 9/19/20, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I searched for Tribet speakers and got this link:
> https://www.tribitaudio.com/
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
> Edward
> Herbert
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Marty
> Hutchings
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Speakers
>
> What is Tribet?  When I search it, I get gambling sites or 
> pharmaceuticals.
>
>
>
> Love in Christ
> Marty
> If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with 
> William
> Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and
> fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 
> 2020 -Original
> Message-
> From: kitty hevener
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 9:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Speakers
>
> Andy, I just purchased a speaker from Tribet which I really think gives 
> some
> of the bose speakers a run for the money.  It was either the storm box or
> box storm.  It has surround sound, is waterproof,and easy to distinguish
> controls.  It gives a series of beeps from low to high when powered on and
> vv when off.  The blue tooth pairing uses two tones to help u know when
> device is successfully paired.  You can adjust the bass (add bass or take 
> it
> away).  I caught it on sale from amazon for somewhere in the $50 price
> range.  I have successfully paired it with the original apple SE phone.
> Hope that helps.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Andrew J. LaPointe
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 4:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; jfw-us...@groups.io
> Subject: Speakers
>
> Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my 
> Iphone
> and my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask my friends
> here as you all have likely a demanding high quality opinion on sound.  I
> have a Bose speaker and I just don't like the boom boom sound.  I would 
> like
> to find a speaker where you can adjust on the speaker the volume, treble 
> and
> bass levels to suit my needs.  Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not 
> too
> big Bluetooth speaker that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like 
> to
> listen to music and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
> I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't have 
> the
> various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your suggestions.
> Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert
>
> Andrew J. LaPointe, President
> Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
> 34 Raymond Ave.
> Salem, MA. 01970
> Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185
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RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility

2020-09-19 Thread Cristóbal Muñoz

That… sucks.

The VO jumpiness and getting stuck is something I too have reported to Apple 
Accessibility. I believe others are experiencing it too. It’s actually a major 
pain and feels like a major bug. 

I get it when trying to share something via the share sheet, When trying to 
fill in log in credentials with 1Password and randomly here and there 
throughout iOS. It also seems to be present in SeeingAI. Pretty much breaking 
that functionality. 

In my case, I reported it via email and the accessibility team asked me to 
provide a screen recording of the issue as well as a system log during the time 
I did the screen recording which I did.

There are some other bugs I’m dealing with in regards to text editing and VO 
being over chatty now (saying toolbar on the toolbar now), but this jumpiness 
and getting stuck on buttons/edit fields etc. really is a pain. 

Good 

luck and hopefully you can find some sort of resolution instead of having to 
wait for an open Apple store.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:27 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
Subject: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 
14 issues to Apple Accessibility

 

Hello List,

 

I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after 
calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was 
checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and 
purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check 
out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the 
upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several 
controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple 
Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was 
nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I 
argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable 
doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting 
contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, 
I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will 
prevent me from ever doing that again:

 

1.  All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.
2.  My Touch ID was reset.
3.  The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.
4.  All my custom keyboards were removed.
5.  My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.
6.  My default ringtone was reset.
7.  The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to 
something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.
8.  Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.

 

I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure 
out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display 
and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to 
restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That 
took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a 
black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few 
seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 
2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the 
lightning cable and open iTunes.

 

So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple 
Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never 
had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess 
my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store.

 

I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading 
to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them 
because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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And I forgot to mention that the problem with focus jumping all over the
Media and purchases screen was still present after resetting all of my
settings.

 

Alan

 

Hello List,

 

I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after
calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I
was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media
and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to
check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in
the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on
several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple
Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who
was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory
defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't
comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave
after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my
better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that
were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again:

 

1.   All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.

2.   My Touch ID was reset.

3.   The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.

4.   All my custom keyboards were removed.

5.   My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.

6.   My default ringtone was reset.

7.   The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to
something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.

8.   Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.

 

I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never
figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked
under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I
then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before
upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is
that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a
hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then
reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no
longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes.

 

So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple
Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've
never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before
but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store.

 

I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before
upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly
welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple
Store.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Hello List,

 

I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after
calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I
was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media
and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to
check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in
the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on
several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple
Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who
was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory
defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't
comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave
after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my
better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that
were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again:

 

1.   All my Apple cash credit cards were removed.

2.   My Touch ID was reset.

3.   The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset.

4.   All my custom keyboards were removed.

5.   My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing.

6.   My default ringtone was reset.

7.   The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to
something that appears to be sort of a red orange color.

8.   Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.

 

I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never
figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked
under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I
then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before
upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is
that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a
hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then
reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no
longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes.

 

So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple
Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've
never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before
but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store.

 

I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before
upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly
welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple
Store.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

Hi Marty,

I did get it downloaded and installed by using iTunes.  We've got some fires 
going on and I think that's been screwing with our internet service, but 
trying to download this 2GB file via WiFi just might have been too much for 
the WiFi to handle.  Anyways everything is okie dokie now.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

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From: Marty Hutchings
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download


Mike,  Have you been following all of the traffic about flaws with IOS14 on 
this list?  I hope that all of that trouble downloading the update isn’t 
just the beginning of something terrible.

Love in Christ
Marty
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Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and 
fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

From: Mike B
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 12:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

Hi All,

Well hot damn, my SE 1st generation is now updated to iOS14.0!  LOL  LOL
I installed the latest iTunes on my Windows 10 computer and blah blah..., I 
finally got iOS14.0 downloaded and installed.  Thank you all for your 
patience and input.  Now the real anger management begins!  LOL

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: iOS14 Update Won't Download

Hi Mike,

Have you called Apple Accessibility and had them run a diagnostic on your 
phone?

Something is very strange here.

Best of luck,







Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download



Hi Alan,



I turned on automatic updates last night before going to bed, and this 
morning I had the download error message waiting for me.  I reset my network 
settings and tried again, but the download stops at 91% and triggers the 
error message.  This moring I tried using the 5G network, but after going 
back to bed and and coming back to it I'm going to attempt using the 2G 
network just for the hell of it.  So here we go again, I'll let you know 
what happens.


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

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From: Alan Lemly

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:21 AM

Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download



Hi Mike,



I suspect a inconsistent wifi connection might be the source of your upgrade 
issue. My wifi isn't great and I started the upgrade to iOS 14 last night at 
about 10:17pm from the SE 2020's settings with the phone connected to my 
computer with its lightning cable. It took several minutes for the download 
to take place since it's 2.5GB and Voiceover did not give any progress 
announcements. I have automatic upgrades turned off so the download took a 
bit of time to complete. The screen text changed to something like checking 
the download and verifying the upgrade before the phone restarted and 
prompted me for my PIN. The total time from start to reboot was about 23 
minutes.



Hopefully, turning on automatic updates will allow the upgrade to download 
while you sleep and you'll successfully upgrade on your next attempt. Please 
keep us posted.



Alan Lemly



Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS




From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mike 
B 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 11:16:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download



I've tried the shutdown and restart 3 times, I've switched WiFi networks 4 
times, 2G / 5G, I cleaned the phone with Magic Cleaner, which is akin to 
CCleaner for PC's, and I'm beginning to think that this phone doesn't want 
to FRICKIN update!  LOL  LOL



We're having fire problems in the area, 4 fires within60 miles, and we could 
very well be having intermittent internet problems that I'm not picking up 
on my desktop PC's, but just enough to screw with WIFI.  I'm going to turn 
the automatic download and install options on and check in the morning to 
see what happens.  Thank you all for your input.


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

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From: Gerardo Corripio

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 5:05 PM

Subject: Re: iOS14 Update

RE: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other Live Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

Okay, Jim,

I will keep this in mind.  

I'm presuming that one must have a credit card on file with Google in order to 
subscribe to YouTube TV, right?

Mark

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Subject: RE: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other 
Live Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

I really enjoy Youtube TV, and let me just say, it is very very easy to pause 
your subscription for 8 weeks, or subscribe or unsubscribe, even though you 
cannot use the Apple subscription service to perform these actions. The process 
just takes 2 or 3 minutes. 
Thanks
-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other Live 
Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

Hello Everyone,

I am thinking about subscribing to YouTube TV for use on my Apple TV device.


Does anyone know if the app is VoiceOver accessible?  

I am going to assume that if the app is VoiceOver accessible on Apple TV, then 
it will most likely be accessible on iPad OS 14; I hope.

Believe it or not, I am currently in a situation where, because of the pandemic 
lock-down, I cannot get new cable TV service installed in my home from my 
preferred cable provider.  

So, because I would very much like to have a live local TV streaming service, I 
have been researching various TV streaming services and YouTube TV seems to 
come very highly recommended.  

The only thing about YouTube TV that I don't like is that one cannot sign up 
for a subscription through Apple.  It has been my experience that, while it may 
be easy to sign up for a monthly third-party subscription, it can be much more 
difficult to unsubscribe.

I prefer to subscribe to third-party services through Apple because I know that 
I can easily unsubscribe when ready, without any hassle.

So, if anyone knows of a local live TV streaming service that allows 
subscriptions through Apple please let me know as I would greatly appreciate 
any help on this.

Thank you,

Mark


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RE: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other Live Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

Okay, thank you for the feedback, Scott.

Mark

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Live Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

Yes it is very accessible on the Apple Tv. My wife and I have been using 
Youtube Tv for just about a year now and I find that it is fully accessible on 
the Apple Tv as well as iPhone and iPad.

I hope that this helps.

Scott

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other Live 
Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

Hello Everyone,

I am thinking about subscribing to YouTube TV for use on my Apple TV device.

Does anyone know if the app is VoiceOver accessible?  

I am going to assume that if the app is VoiceOver accessible on Apple TV, then 
it will most likely be accessible on iPad OS 14; I hope.

Believe it or not, I am currently in a situation where, because of the pandemic 
lock-down, I cannot get new cable TV service installed in my home from my 
preferred cable provider.  

So, because I would very much like to have a live local TV streaming service, I 
have been researching various TV streaming services and YouTube TV seems to 
come very highly recommended.  

The only thing about YouTube TV that I don't like is that one cannot sign up 
for a subscription through Apple.  It has been my experience that, while it may 
be easy to sign up for a monthly third-party subscription, it can be much more 
difficult to unsubscribe.

I prefer to subscribe to third-party services through Apple because I know that 
I can easily unsubscribe when ready, without any hassle.

So, if anyone knows of a local live TV streaming service that allows 
subscriptions through Apple please let me know as I would greatly appreciate 
any help on this.

Thank you,

Mark

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Turning off iPhone.

2020-09-19 Thread Carolyn

Don't you press Volume Down, then hold Power Button for
about ten seconds? If that is the case, I must have
miscounted, when I tried to power down this afternoon. 

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Re: Speakers

2020-09-19 Thread Marty Hutchings

Thanks,  I had spelled Tribit wrong.  I have since found it and you are 
right, it is a very impressive speaker.




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-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speakers

The speaker is the tribit stormbox speaker.  It is a very nice speaker.

On 9/19/20, Richard Turner  wrote:

I searched for Tribet speakers and got this link:
https://www.tribitaudio.com/



Richard
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Herbert

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Hutchings
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speakers

What is Tribet?  When I search it, I get gambling sites or 
pharmaceuticals.




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From: kitty hevener
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 9:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Speakers

Andy, I just purchased a speaker from Tribet which I really think gives 
some

of the bose speakers a run for the money.  It was either the storm box or
box storm.  It has surround sound, is waterproof,and easy to distinguish
controls.  It gives a series of beeps from low to high when powered on and
vv when off.  The blue tooth pairing uses two tones to help u know when
device is successfully paired.  You can adjust the bass (add bass or take 
it

away).  I caught it on sale from amazon for somewhere in the $50 price
range.  I have successfully paired it with the original apple SE phone.
Hope that helps.

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Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 4:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; jfw-us...@groups.io
Subject: Speakers

Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my 
Iphone

and my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask my friends
here as you all have likely a demanding high quality opinion on sound.  I
have a Bose speaker and I just don't like the boom boom sound.  I would 
like
to find a speaker where you can adjust on the speaker the volume, treble 
and
bass levels to suit my needs.  Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not 
too
big Bluetooth speaker that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like 
to

listen to music and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't have 
the

various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your suggestions.
Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert

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Re: Deleting apps from the watch

Ann, I have figured out how to delete the app from all apps on your watch. Go 
to your watch and go to all apps. Flick up, double tap,  once to arrange apps. 
Find the app you want to delete. I believe it said double tap to delete or you 
force touch it to delete it but you will know to do that if you get to it and 
you don't hear double tap to delete. I deleted two.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
> 
> I can't find my notes on this.  Please tell me how to delete apps from the 
> watch.  Can I get rid of things like world clock, or only the apps I have 
> added.  Apple sure loads up the watch with apps I'm not interested in.
> Thanks
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Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

2020-09-19 Thread Marty Hutchings

Mike,  Have you been following all of the traffic about flaws with IOS14 on 
this list?  I hope that all of that trouble downloading the update isn’t just 
the beginning of something terrible.

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From: Mike B 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 12:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

Hi All,

Well hot damn, my SE 1st generation is now updated to iOS14.0!  LOL  LOL  
I installed the latest iTunes on my Windows 10 computer and blah blah..., I 
finally got iOS14.0 downloaded and installed.  Thank you all for your patience 
and input.  Now the real anger management begins!  LOL  

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: iOS14 Update Won't Download

Hi Mike,

Have you called Apple Accessibility and had them run a diagnostic on your phone?

Something is very strange here.

Best of luck,

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

 

Hi Alan,

 

I turned on automatic updates last night before going to bed, and this morning 
I had the download error message waiting for me.  I reset my network settings 
and tried again, but the download stops at 91% and triggers the error message.  
This moring I tried using the 5G network, but after going back to bed and and 
coming back to it I'm going to attempt using the 2G network just for the hell 
of it.  So here we go again, I'll let you know what happens.


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

- Original Message - 

From: Alan Lemly 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:21 AM

Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

 

Hi Mike,

 

I suspect a inconsistent wifi connection might be the source of your upgrade 
issue. My wifi isn't great and I started the upgrade to iOS 14 last night at 
about 10:17pm from the SE 2020's settings with the phone connected to my 
computer with its lightning cable. It took several minutes for the download to 
take place since it's 2.5GB and Voiceover did not give any progress 
announcements. I have automatic upgrades turned off so the download took a bit 
of time to complete. The screen text changed to something like checking the 
download and verifying the upgrade before the phone restarted and prompted me 
for my PIN. The total time from start to reboot was about 23 minutes.

 

Hopefully, turning on automatic updates will allow the upgrade to download 
while you sleep and you'll successfully upgrade on your next attempt. Please 
keep us posted.

 

Alan Lemly   

 

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS




From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mike B 

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 11:16:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download 

 

I've tried the shutdown and restart 3 times, I've switched WiFi networks 4 
times, 2G / 5G, I cleaned the phone with Magic Cleaner, which is akin to 
CCleaner for PC's, and I'm beginning to think that this phone doesn't want to 
FRICKIN update!  LOL  LOL 

 

We're having fire problems in the area, 4 fires within60 miles, and we could 
very well be having intermittent internet problems that I'm not picking up on 
my desktop PC's, but just enough to screw with WIFI.  I'm going to turn the 
automatic download and install options on and check in the morning to see what 
happens.  Thank you all for your input.


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

- Original Message - 

From: Gerardo Corripio 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 5:05 PM

Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

 

Try turning the phone off, waiting between 3-5 minutes, and turn it on again. 
Good luck!

Gera 

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel





  El 18 sep 2020, a la(s) 6:55 p.m., Mike B  escribió:

   

  Damn, got the same message.  The message is, Software update failed, an error 
occurred downloading iOS14.0.  Well, I guess I'll call Apple Accessibility 
tomorrow.  I have no idea what can be happening.


  Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go

RE: Podcasts problem in iOS 14

2020-09-19 Thread Simon A Fogarty

Cheers for that,

I'll have to check it out 

Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, 20 September 2020 3:04 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Podcasts problem in iOS 14

I really like Overcast.  It is free.  It has some settings that can speed up 
the playback by suppressing some of the silences so not actually speeding up 
the voices, though you can do that.
It is easy to use with VoiceOVer and I set mine to default to streaming rather 
than downloading since I always listen when on Wi-Fi.

HTH,


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 7:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Podcasts problem in iOS 14

Richard,

So Overcast is a good podcast player?

I tried the default one in IOs and ended that very quickly, I'm not a fan of it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, 20 September 2020 2:21 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Podcasts problem in iOS 14

I removed the native Podcast app in favor of Overcast and it still offers the 
flick up or down to delete.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:34 AM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Fwd: Podcasts problem in iOS 14


> 
> 
>> 
>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and 
>> the podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no 
>> way to flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in 
>> iOS 13. I can now double tap and hold and select either remove which 
>> sounds scary or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture 
>> that you could flick up or down to delete that particular episode 
>> Harry

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RE: Adding an album to my music library

If you use iTunes you certainly can.
The vast majority of my music was ripped from CD's, and a couple of albums I 
had bought from Amazon in MP3 format.
I do not think there is a way unless you have itunes on your computer.
Otherwise, you would have to use another app to play the music from the Files 
app, or for example, put it in a zip file and add that to Voice Dream Reader.
Then the album would be named by the zip file name and the songs would play in 
the order they are in the zip file.



Richard
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Hi,

I have a few music albums on my phone.  I want to know if I can add an album to 
my library that I didn't buy from Apple or iTunes. I bought it off the 
musician's direct website, and it was the mp3 download. I don't think there is 
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Adding an album to my music library

2020-09-19 Thread Tom Cramer

Hi,

I have a few music albums on my phone.  I want to know if I can add an
album to my library that I didn't buy from Apple or iTunes. I bought
it off the musician's direct website, and it was the mp3 download. I
don't think there is a way but I thought I would ask.

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Unstacking a widget stack using voiceover

There are a large number of widgets in a stack on my widget screen. I want to 
get rid of most of them. So I tried to go into the context menu for the stack, 
hoping there would be a delete button for the individual items. But I can’t 
find any such thing. I see drag and re-order, but I want to delete. But I don’t 
want to delete every single one in the stack. How can I do this? I never did 
figure it out during the beta cycle on my older phone.
I am assuming there is a way to unstack widget.


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Re: Deleting apps from the watch

Ann, I have figured out how to delete an app from all apps on your watch. Go to 
all apps once you have pressed the side button. Flick up to arrange apps and 
double tap on that. Find the app you want to delete. It will say editing. Then 
it says double tap to delete. Then I moved up where it says activate and that's 
when I got double tap to delete. I hope this helps or you can get it figured 
out. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
> 
> I can't find my notes on this.  Please tell me how to delete apps from the 
> watch.  Can I get rid of things like world clock, or only the apps I have 
> added.  Apple sure loads up the watch with apps I'm not interested in.
> Thanks
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Re: Speakers

2020-09-19 Thread Joshua Hendrickson

The speaker is the tribit stormbox speaker.  It is a very nice speaker.

On 9/19/20, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I searched for Tribet speakers and got this link:
> https://www.tribitaudio.com/
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
> Herbert
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty
> Hutchings
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Speakers
>
> What is Tribet?  When I search it, I get gambling sites or pharmaceuticals.
>
>
>
> Love in Christ
> Marty
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> fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020 -Original
> Message-
> From: kitty hevener
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 9:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Speakers
>
> Andy, I just purchased a speaker from Tribet which I really think gives some
> of the bose speakers a run for the money.  It was either the storm box or
> box storm.  It has surround sound, is waterproof,and easy to distinguish
> controls.  It gives a series of beeps from low to high when powered on and
> vv when off.  The blue tooth pairing uses two tones to help u know when
> device is successfully paired.  You can adjust the bass (add bass or take it
> away).  I caught it on sale from amazon for somewhere in the $50 price
> range.  I have successfully paired it with the original apple SE phone.
> Hope that helps.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Speakers
>
> Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my Iphone
> and my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask my friends
> here as you all have likely a demanding high quality opinion on sound.  I
> have a Bose speaker and I just don't like the boom boom sound.  I would like
> to find a speaker where you can adjust on the speaker the volume, treble and
> bass levels to suit my needs.  Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not too
> big Bluetooth speaker that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like to
> listen to music and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
> I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't have the
> various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your suggestions.
> Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert
>
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Re: Deleting apps from the watch



What I gave you directions for is removing it from your watch face but it shows 
up when you go to all apps. Maybe someone else can help if you feel my answer 
is not what you wanted or isn't correct.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
> 
> I can't find my notes on this.  Please tell me how to delete apps from the 
> watch.  Can I get rid of things like world clock, or only the apps I have 
> added.  Apple sure loads up the watch with apps I'm not interested in.
> Thanks
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IOS and wifi problems.

2020-09-19 Thread Malcolm Parfitt

Hello friends.

Since updating to IOS14 I have noticed that my iPhone XR regularly drops its 
wifi connectivity.

Restarting the device wifi is restored.

I have reset network settings.

I have tried another router.

I have restored my current router to its defaults and only have the iPhone as a 
connected device.

Any thoughts welcome.

When wifi connectivity is lost it still reports connected in the status bar.
Malcolm Parfitt

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RE: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

Yes, you can put all your music in iTunes and sync your phone so long as you 
have sync entire library checked and have enough room on your phone.

>From iTunes, press alt+f and down arrow to add folder to library and hit enter.
Then, you can use the standard Windows interface to navigate to a folder where 
you have music and hit enter, then I believe you tab to select and press enter.
Depending on how you have itunes set, that will either copy the music to the 
iTunes folder, or just add that folder to iTunes.  If it copies the music to 
iTunes, you will have two copies of the music on your computer.

>From Windows Explorer, you can navigate to your music wherever it is on your 
>computer,
Select and copy,
Then go to the folder where the iTunes music is stored.
On my machine that is:
C:\Users\YourUserName\Music\iTunes\iTunes Media
In that folder should be a folder called “Automatically Add to itunes,” open 
that folder and paste your music there.
When you run iTunes, the music will move from the automatically Add to iTunes 
folder, into its respective folders based on the tag labels of the music.

Then, Sync your phone.

HTh,

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

is there a way to get all of your music from your computer into iTunes so that 
you can put it on yur iPhone as you wish?  Janet

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

Plug the USb cable into the phone and computer.
Unlock your phone if it isn’t already unlocked.
Launch iTunes.
Tab until you hear iPhone, press the spacebar.
Tab or shift tab until you get to the Sync button and press your spacebar.
If you tab a few times you can hear where it is in the process.
When it is done, press the done button which shows up next to where the sync 
button was.
If you get stuck somewhere along the way, I’d call Apple Accessibility, 
877-204-3930

Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Shirley Baker
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

How do you sync your phone with the latest version of iTunes? I did update it 
but that's all I've been able to do.
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I'm learning to live with iTunes 12.109 after iOS 14.
I think I have found a way, at least for me, to use iTunes for listening to 
music from my Windows 10 Home  computer that is much better than it used to be.

ON the view menu, which you get to with alt+v, these are the things I have 
checked:
All Music, Checked
View as  sub menu, right arrow to open and see that Grid is checked
Sort by submenu, right arrow, I prefer Artist being checked
Visualizer submenu, iTunes classic visualizer checked

Then, when you have your library checked, and tab past the Store checkbox and 
hear table, if you use your right or left arrow key, you will hear the album 
title and artist in alphabetical order by the artist's first name.
If you have lots of music, and want to get to a particular letter quickly, just 
press that letter, then hit your right arrow.
When you want it to play, just hit your spacebar.

I have an Onkyo receiver that has Airplay, so I can play music in the living 
room from my computer in my home office.
This may have been possible in earlier iTunes, but I just finally figured this 
out and I thought others may find this helpful.

Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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RE: Speakers

I searched for Tribet speakers and got this link:
https://www.tribitaudio.com/



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Hutchings
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speakers

What is Tribet?  When I search it, I get gambling sites or pharmaceuticals.



Love in Christ
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signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020 -Original 
Message-
From: kitty hevener
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 9:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Speakers

Andy, I just purchased a speaker from Tribet which I really think gives some of 
the bose speakers a run for the money.  It was either the storm box or box 
storm.  It has surround sound, is waterproof,and easy to distinguish controls.  
It gives a series of beeps from low to high when powered on and vv when off.  
The blue tooth pairing uses two tones to help u know when device is 
successfully paired.  You can adjust the bass (add bass or take it away).  I 
caught it on sale from amazon for somewhere in the $50 price range.  I have 
successfully paired it with the original apple SE phone. 
Hope that helps.

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J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 4:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; jfw-us...@groups.io
Subject: Speakers

Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my Iphone and 
my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask my friends here as 
you all have likely a demanding high quality opinion on sound.  I have a Bose 
speaker and I just don't like the boom boom sound.  I would like to find a 
speaker where you can adjust on the speaker the volume, treble and bass levels 
to suit my needs.  Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not too big Bluetooth 
speaker that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like to listen to music 
and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't have the 
various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your suggestions.
Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe, President
Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook 
Talking Information Center


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Re: Deleting apps from the watch

I'm sorry. I made one mistake. When removing an app, it should be move down, 
move up and then remove from watch once you go to dock and edit.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
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> I can't find my notes on this.  Please tell me how to delete apps from the 
> watch.  Can I get rid of things like world clock, or only the apps I have 
> added.  Apple sure loads up the watch with apps I'm not interested in.
> Thanks
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RE: Can’t move Widgets on Page0 to other pages?

2020-09-19 Thread chaltain

An even easier way to remove a widget from the screen of widgets is to just 
bring up the context menu with a triple tap on the widget and then double tap 
on remove widget.

 

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I tend to just do the same thing on the widgets screen as I do on any other 
home page. In particular, I use the actions and flick down until I hear edit. 
After double tapping, I find the widget I want to remove and then flick down to 
delete.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Can’t move Widgets on Page0 to other pages?

 

I just figured out how to remkve ones you have added. 

After the last widget, activate the edit button. Then, at the bottom of all 
that, activate the customize button.

Then, touch the asp you want to move or remove, and flick up or down with one 
finger. You will have remove, move up or move down depending on its position.

Talk about making something more complicated.

I'm not suoe I would ever want widgets on my main screen as they are wider and 
taller than standard app cons and will move apps you have onto the following 
screens.

My wife described them as about 1.25 inches tall, and most of the width of the 
screen.

 

 

 

Richard

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Sep 19, 2020, at 5:09 AM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes I tried removing several widgets from Page0, but they might have changed 
how it’s done? I’d like to take out the Stock widget from there especially, but 
don’t get how with iOS14. Any ideas?
About my original question of moving widgets from Page0 to our Home screen, 
maybe not all widgets can be moved. If the widget doesn’t appear within Add 
Widget while editing the screen, that’s what I assumed too.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel



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  escribió:

 

I'm not sure, but I played around with this a bit this afternoon, and from 
what I can tell not every widget can be placed on a home page. I ended up just 
treating these as two separate tasks. What I mean is I went into edit mode on 
my home page and then I used the button at the top to select the widgets I 
wanted on my first home page. Once I got the widgets I wanted, I then went to 
the page before the first home page and removed the widgets I no longer needed 
on that page. The widgets I ended up selecting were of the small variety, and 
it looks like they take up a two by two grid on the home page. I ended up just 
settling on three widgets, so I still had space for my most frequently used 
apps. I'm thinking that this plus the use of the apps library will make for a 
pretty efficient arrangement.

 

Note that the stacked widgets are interesting. They're like six widgets in one. 
You can edit them to delete widgets you don't want on the stack and rearrange 
the ones that are left. You can then use the context menu to cycle through the 
widgets on the stack.

 

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Of Gerardo Corripio

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:59 PM

To: iPhone List mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >

Subject: Can’t move Widgets on Page0 to other pages?

 

Hope you guys can make sense of what I?m trying to do: On what I’ll call Page 0

(what used to be Page1 before iOS14), I’ve several widgets (TuneIn Radio,

Google News), that I want to somehow drag from Page0 to Page 2, but these

don’t move! I try flicking up or down, but no actions rotor. Can’t these widgets

not be moved? Because hwen I go to Add Widgets on Page2, from within the

editing area in which one can move icons around, the widgets that I?m wanting

to move from Page0 to Page2, don’t appear within the Widgets list!

What’s going on then? Thanks for info.

 

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

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Re: Deleting apps from the watch

To remove an app from your watch, you open the watch app and go to where it 
says Ann's watch or whatever name it is. Go to dock. Double tap on edit. Find 
the app you want to delete. Flick up and you will hear move down, move down, 
and remove from watch and double tap on that. I tried that and it works.

Sent from my iPhone

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> I can't find my notes on this.  Please tell me how to delete apps from the 
> watch.  Can I get rid of things like world clock, or only the apps I have 
> added.  Apple sure loads up the watch with apps I'm not interested in.
> Thanks
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Deleting apps from the watch

2020-09-19 Thread Ann Byrne

I can't find my notes on this.  Please tell me how to delete apps 
from the watch.  Can I get rid of things like world clock, or only 
the apps I have added.  Apple sure loads up the watch with apps I'm 
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Re: Speakers

2020-09-19 Thread Marty Hutchings


What is Tribet?  When I search it, I get gambling sites or pharmaceuticals.



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-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 9:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Speakers

Andy, I just purchased a speaker from Tribet which I really think gives some 
of the bose speakers a run for the money.  It was either the storm box or 
box storm.  It has surround sound, is waterproof,and easy to distinguish 
controls.  It gives a series of beeps from low to high when powered on and 
vv when off.  The blue tooth pairing uses two tones to help u know when 
device is successfully paired.  You can adjust the bass (add bass or take it 
away).  I caught it on sale from amazon for somewhere in the $50 price 
range.  I have successfully paired it with the original apple SE phone. 
Hope that helps.


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Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 4:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; jfw-us...@groups.io
Subject: Speakers

Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my Iphone 
and my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask my friends 
here as you all have likely a demanding high quality opinion on sound.  I 
have a Bose speaker and I just don't like the boom boom sound.  I would like 
to find a speaker where you can adjust on the speaker the volume, treble and 
bass levels to suit my needs.  Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not too 
big Bluetooth speaker that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like to 
listen to music and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't have the 
various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your suggestions.

Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe, President
Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

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RE: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

When tabbing, an Ariplay button shows up for me just after Volume.
I hit spacebar on that and then can arrow down through my options.  Play on 
this computer, my Onkyo Receiver, Apple Tv,  and if our Samsung smart TV is on, 
it shows up as well.
I think my wife said it does show the track and album names on the TV, but that 
is all.  The TV sound goes through the same receiver, so I don’t bother using 
the TV with Airplay unless it is a video.

HTH,
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others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

Hi richard,
Thanks for that, I’m going to give it a shot. I have an airport express 
connected to an old preamp power amp set up with some lovely speakers, and I 
used to use the airfoil program for the Mac to do what you’re talking about. 
But I’ve never used it for windows. How do you get a Windows computer to do 
airplay without a helper program like airfoil?


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 19, 2020, at 8:46 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I'm learning to live with iTunes 12.109 after iOS 14.
I think I have found a way, at least for me, to use iTunes for listening to 
music from my Windows 10 Home  computer that is much better than it used to be.

ON the view menu, which you get to with alt+v, these are the things I have 
checked:
All Music, Checked
View as  sub menu, right arrow to open and see that Grid is checked
Sort by submenu, right arrow, I prefer Artist being checked
Visualizer submenu, iTunes classic visualizer checked

Then, when you have your library checked, and tab past the Store checkbox and 
hear table, if you use your right or left arrow key, you will hear the album 
title and artist in alphabetical order by the artist's first name.
If you have lots of music, and want to get to a particular letter quickly, just 
press that letter, then hit your right arrow.
When you want it to play, just hit your spacebar.

I have an Onkyo receiver that has Airplay, so I can play music in the living 
room from my computer in my home office.
This may have been possible in earlier iTunes, but I just finally figured this 
out and I thought others may find this helpful.




Richard
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Re: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

2020-09-19 Thread Janet Bell

is there a way to get all of your music from your computer into iTunes so that 
you can put it on yur iPhone as you wish?  Janet

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

Plug the USb cable into the phone and computer.

Unlock your phone if it isn’t already unlocked.

Launch iTunes.

Tab until you hear iPhone, press the spacebar.

Tab or shift tab until you get to the Sync button and press your spacebar.

If you tab a few times you can hear where it is in the process.

When it is done, press the done button which shows up next to where the sync 
button was.

If you get stuck somewhere along the way, I’d call Apple Accessibility, 
877-204-3930

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

How do you sync your phone with the latest version of iTunes? I did update it 
but that's all I've been able to do.

Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 19, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

  I'm learning to live with iTunes 12.109 after iOS 14.

  I think I have found a way, at least for me, to use iTunes for listening to 
music from my Windows 10 Home  computer that is much better than it used to be.

  ON the view menu, which you get to with alt+v, these are the things I have 
checked:

  All Music, Checked

  View as  sub menu, right arrow to open and see that Grid is checked

  Sort by submenu, right arrow, I prefer Artist being checked

  Visualizer submenu, iTunes classic visualizer checked

  Then, when you have your library checked, and tab past the Store checkbox and 
hear table, if you use your right or left arrow key, you will hear the album 
title and artist in alphabetical order by the artist's first name.

  If you have lots of music, and want to get to a particular letter quickly, 
just press that letter, then hit your right arrow.  

  When you want it to play, just hit your spacebar.

  I have an Onkyo receiver that has Airplay, so I can play music in the living 
room from my computer in my home office.

  This may have been possible in earlier iTunes, but I just finally figured 
this out and I thought others may find this helpful.

  Richard

  "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Re: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

Hi richard,
Thanks for that, I’m going to give it a shot. I have an airport express 
connected to an old preamp power amp set up with some lovely speakers, and I 
used to use the airfoil program for the Mac to do what you’re talking about. 
But I’ve never used it for windows. How do you get a Windows computer to do 
airplay without a helper program like airfoil?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 8:46 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm learning to live with iTunes 12.109 after iOS 14.
> I think I have found a way, at least for me, to use iTunes for listening to 
> music from my Windows 10 Home  computer that is much better than it used to 
> be.
>  
> ON the view menu, which you get to with alt+v, these are the things I have 
> checked:
> All Music, Checked
> View as  sub menu, right arrow to open and see that Grid is checked
> Sort by submenu, right arrow, I prefer Artist being checked
> Visualizer submenu, iTunes classic visualizer checked
>  
> Then, when you have your library checked, and tab past the Store checkbox and 
> hear table, if you use your right or left arrow key, you will hear the album 
> title and artist in alphabetical order by the artist's first name.
> If you have lots of music, and want to get to a particular letter quickly, 
> just press that letter, then hit your right arrow. 
> When you want it to play, just hit your spacebar.
>  
> I have an Onkyo receiver that has Airplay, so I can play music in the living 
> room from my computer in my home office.
> This may have been possible in earlier iTunes, but I just finally figured 
> this out and I thought others may find this helpful.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Re: Reminders app

2020-09-19 Thread Holly

I told Siri to remind me every other Tuesday to put out the recycle bin, and 
she did it flawlessly. 


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Re: Quiet rant of the morning

2020-09-19 Thread Barbara Stahl

Not to mention that some of the reported issues must have showed up during the 
beta testing stage like the frequent instability of the vo focus which to me 
seems like a major problem and the programers clearly released vo 14 without 
correcting this rather inconvenient problem.  Its just unaccecptable in my 
opinion. 
Personally, I have heard too many reports of annoying and unwanted bugs for me 
to consider updating to Vo 14 until I have confirmation that they have been 
fixed. My iphone works just fine for me now and I just don't want to deal with 
the frustration and headaches that would come from this latest update.  

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you don't like what beta testers do and test with and go through as far as 
> huge bugs, then test yourself. Be a part of the solution next time then. 
> Apple *said* that they want people testing these betas. I can't speak for the 
> programmers, but I don't use dictation much myself. I use a braille display 
> or braille screen input. If you had been testing, and if you had filed 
> feedback, maybe it'd be better by now.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:42 AM deidre muccio  
>> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security 
>> patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. 
>> However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things 
>> that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be 
>> discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta 
>> testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen 
>> over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then 
>> they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different 
>> places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to 
>> remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy 
>> to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes  benefit 
>> when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what 
>> about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us 
>> using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition 
>> capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri 
>> is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve 
>> known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and 
>> less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally 
>> baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else 
>> that if  auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the 
>> program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there 
>> that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit 
>> them out? 
>> There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was 
>> happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I 
>> have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with  work 
>> arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things 
>> that get broken  and things that do not get fixed that could save me a 
>> gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome.
>> There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s 
>> fortunate that I still love having an  iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I 
>> use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to 
>> be sleeping… So there are still many pluses.
>> Deirdre
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the 
>> >>> podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to 
>> >>> flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I 
>> >>> can now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary 
>> >>> or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could 
>> >>> flick up or down to delete that particular episode
>> >>> Harry
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RE: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

Plug the USb cable into the phone and computer.
Unlock your phone if it isn’t already unlocked.
Launch iTunes.
Tab until you hear iPhone, press the spacebar.
Tab or shift tab until you get to the Sync button and press your spacebar.
If you tab a few times you can hear where it is in the process.
When it is done, press the done button which shows up next to where the sync 
button was.
If you get stuck somewhere along the way, I’d call Apple Accessibility, 
877-204-3930



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

How do you sync your phone with the latest version of iTunes? I did update it 
but that's all I've been able to do.
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 19, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I'm learning to live with iTunes 12.109 after iOS 14.
I think I have found a way, at least for me, to use iTunes for listening to 
music from my Windows 10 Home  computer that is much better than it used to be.

ON the view menu, which you get to with alt+v, these are the things I have 
checked:
All Music, Checked
View as  sub menu, right arrow to open and see that Grid is checked
Sort by submenu, right arrow, I prefer Artist being checked
Visualizer submenu, iTunes classic visualizer checked

Then, when you have your library checked, and tab past the Store checkbox and 
hear table, if you use your right or left arrow key, you will hear the album 
title and artist in alphabetical order by the artist's first name.
If you have lots of music, and want to get to a particular letter quickly, just 
press that letter, then hit your right arrow.
When you want it to play, just hit your spacebar.

I have an Onkyo receiver that has Airplay, so I can play music in the living 
room from my computer in my home office.
This may have been possible in earlier iTunes, but I just finally figured this 
out and I thought others may find this helpful.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Can You Turn Vibration on the Watch?

Can you turn vibration off the watch without turning off sounds? I went to 
sounds and haptics but didn't see a way to turn vibrations off only.

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Re: playing music from iTunes on a Windows computer

How do you sync your phone with the latest version of iTunes? I did update it 
but that's all I've been able to do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm learning to live with iTunes 12.109 after iOS 14.
> I think I have found a way, at least for me, to use iTunes for listening to 
> music from my Windows 10 Home  computer that is much better than it used to 
> be.
>  
> ON the view menu, which you get to with alt+v, these are the things I have 
> checked:
> All Music, Checked
> View as  sub menu, right arrow to open and see that Grid is checked
> Sort by submenu, right arrow, I prefer Artist being checked
> Visualizer submenu, iTunes classic visualizer checked
>  
> Then, when you have your library checked, and tab past the Store checkbox and 
> hear table, if you use your right or left arrow key, you will hear the album 
> title and artist in alphabetical order by the artist's first name.
> If you have lots of music, and want to get to a particular letter quickly, 
> just press that letter, then hit your right arrow. 
> When you want it to play, just hit your spacebar.
>  
> I have an Onkyo receiver that has Airplay, so I can play music in the living 
> room from my computer in my home office.
> This may have been possible in earlier iTunes, but I just finally figured 
> this out and I thought others may find this helpful.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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RE: Reminders app

I had not used reminders hardly at all.
I just tried saying to Siri, "set a daily reminder at 5 PM to take my 
melatonin."
It shows it for today.
When I went into edit it, it shows it at 5PM, repeat daily, end repeat never.
So, I suspect that tomorrow, it will remind me again at 5 PM.  If I ask Siri, 
do I have any reminders tomorrow, it says no.
But, it could be it doesn't show up until that day.
After 5 PM tomorrow, I will let you know if it repeated.
Or, I'll check in the morning if I have a reminder for Sunday and let you know.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 9:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Reminders app

Hello,
Can anyone tell me how I can tell Siri to set a reminder to repeat every single 
day? There is some thing when you go into edit details that says has the option 
of repeating a daily and then ending never but it doesn’t work. Even after 
hitting the done button. Does anyone know how this is best done?
Deirdre


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RE: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other Live Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

2020-09-19 Thread Jim Fettgather

I really enjoy Youtube TV, and let me just say, it is very very easy to pause 
your subscription for 8 weeks, or subscribe or unsubscribe, even though you 
cannot use the Apple subscription service to perform these actions. The process 
just takes 2 or 3 minutes. 
Thanks
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Subject: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other Live 
Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

Hello Everyone,

I am thinking about subscribing to YouTube TV for use on my Apple TV device.

Does anyone know if the app is VoiceOver accessible?  

I am going to assume that if the app is VoiceOver accessible on Apple TV,
then it will most likely be accessible on iPad OS 14; I hope.

Believe it or not, I am currently in a situation where, because of the
pandemic lock-down, I cannot get new cable TV service installed in my home
from my preferred cable provider.  

So, because I would very much like to have a live local TV streaming
service, I have been researching various TV streaming services and YouTube
TV seems to come very highly recommended.  

The only thing about YouTube TV that I don't like is that one cannot sign up
for a subscription through Apple.  It has been my experience that, while it
may be easy to sign up for a monthly third-party subscription, it can be
much more difficult to unsubscribe.

I prefer to subscribe to third-party services through Apple because I know
that I can easily unsubscribe when ready, without any hassle.

So, if anyone knows of a local live TV streaming service that allows
subscriptions through Apple please let me know as I would greatly appreciate
any help on this.

Thank you,

Mark

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RE: iOS 14 question regarding text messages.

When you touch their name and it says muted, flick down until you hear 
something about that means something opposite of mute.  I can’t remember the 
exact term.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:11 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: iOS 14 question regarding text messages.

Hello all,

When I write a message to one of the people when I text. For some reason after 
the persons name it says muted MUTED so why is it muted referring to the person 
that I send a text message to you it shows that they are reading it but I’m not 
sure if they’re writing back since it says that it’s muted regarding the person 
that might be responding to me. TIA for your help. Hope all of you are doing 
well.

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Quiet rant of the morning

I have Filed pages and pages of detailed feedback in the past. I have not aired 
at that end.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you don't like what beta testers do and test with and go through as far as 
> huge bugs, then test yourself. Be a part of the solution next time then. 
> Apple *said* that they want people testing these betas. I can't speak for the 
> programmers, but I don't use dictation much myself. I use a braille display 
> or braille screen input. If you had been testing, and if you had filed 
> feedback, maybe it'd be better by now.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:42 AM deidre muccio  
>> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security 
>> patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. 
>> However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things 
>> that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be 
>> discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta 
>> testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen 
>> over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then 
>> they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different 
>> places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to 
>> remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy 
>> to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes  benefit 
>> when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what 
>> about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us 
>> using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition 
>> capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri 
>> is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve 
>> known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and 
>> less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally 
>> baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else 
>> that if  auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the 
>> program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there 
>> that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit 
>> them out? 
>> There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was 
>> happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I 
>> have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with  work 
>> arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things 
>> that get broken  and things that do not get fixed that could save me a 
>> gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome.
>> There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s 
>> fortunate that I still love having an  iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I 
>> use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to 
>> be sleeping… So there are still many pluses.
>> Deirdre
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the 
>> >>> podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to 
>> >>> flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I 
>> >>> can now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary 
>> >>> or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could 
>> >>> flick up or down to delete that particular episode
>> >>> Harry
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RE: ok, how do I turn it back on?

Hold the power button for 5 or 6 seconds.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:38 AM
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
Subject: ok, how do I turn it back on?


I installed 14 on my fairly new SE 2020 and now it won't

power on with a slightly longer press of the power button.  Did they change how 
to do this?



It does come up if I plug the charge  cord in though.



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Re: Quiet rant of the morning

2020-09-19 Thread Devin Prater

If you don't like what beta testers do and test with and go through as far
as huge bugs, then test yourself. Be a part of the solution next time then.
Apple *said* that they want people testing these betas. I can't speak for
the programmers, but I don't use dictation much myself. I use a braille
display or braille screen input. If you had been testing, and if you had
filed feedback, maybe it'd be better by now.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:42 AM deidre muccio 
wrote:

> Hello all,
> I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the
> security patches are very important and so they always make sure that they
> update. However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the
> things that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause
> me to be discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers
> and the beta testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural
> changes happen over the years, Things like they give the tabs different
> names, and then they put the positioning of things such as delete versus
> remove in different places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use
> different gestures to remove a particular mail from a list of threaded
> emailsWhen it was so easy to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do
> these minor changes  benefit when other things could be corrected, such as
> things in the rotor… what about the inability to select text using the line
> feature? for those of us using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth
> keyboard, the speech recognition capacity in my estimation has greatly
> deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri is more and more cumbersome and
> requires very specific syntax, which I’ve known all along was the case, but
> siri truly seems to have gotten less and less able to make sense out of the
> simplest requests. I find this totally baffling. And I’m not always
> mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else that if  auto correct and
> auto predictive text areturned off does the program still insist on putting
> parts of words phrases and pronouns in there that are absolutely never
> correct and require A lot of extra time to edit them out?
> There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I
> was happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so,
> I have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with
> work arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but
> things that get broken  and things that do not get fixed that could save me
> a gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome.
> There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s
> fortunate that I still love having an  iphone, and I use it daily, in fact
> I use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen
> to be sleeping… So there are still many pluses.
> Deirdre
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone <
> viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>
> >> 
> >>>
> >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the
> podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to
> flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I can
> now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary or mark
> as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could flick up or
> down to delete that particular episode
> >>> Harry
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RE: Can’t move Widgets on Page0 to other pages?

2020-09-19 Thread chaltain

I tend to just do the same thing on the widgets screen as I do on any other 
home page. In particular, I use the actions and flick down until I hear edit. 
After double tapping, I find the widget I want to remove and then flick down to 
delete.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can’t move Widgets on Page0 to other pages?

 

I just figured out how to remkve ones you have added. 

After the last widget, activate the edit button. Then, at the bottom of all 
that, activate the customize button.

Then, touch the asp you want to move or remove, and flick up or down with one 
finger. You will have remove, move up or move down depending on its position.

Talk about making something more complicated.

I'm not suoe I would ever want widgets on my main screen as they are wider and 
taller than standard app cons and will move apps you have onto the following 
screens.

My wife described them as about 1.25 inches tall, and most of the width of the 
screen.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert





On Sep 19, 2020, at 5:09 AM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes I tried removing several widgets from Page0, but they might have changed 
how it’s done? I’d like to take out the Stock widget from there especially, but 
don’t get how with iOS14. Any ideas?
About my original question of moving widgets from Page0 to our Home screen, 
maybe not all widgets can be moved. If the widget doesn’t appear within Add 
Widget while editing the screen, that’s what I assumed too.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel




El 19 sep 2020, a la(s) 12:07 a.m., chalt...@gmail.com 
  escribió:

 

I'm not sure, but I played around with this a bit this afternoon, and from 
what I can tell not every widget can be placed on a home page. I ended up just 
treating these as two separate tasks. What I mean is I went into edit mode on 
my home page and then I used the button at the top to select the widgets I 
wanted on my first home page. Once I got the widgets I wanted, I then went to 
the page before the first home page and removed the widgets I no longer needed 
on that page. The widgets I ended up selecting were of the small variety, and 
it looks like they take up a two by two grid on the home page. I ended up just 
settling on three widgets, so I still had space for my most frequently used 
apps. I'm thinking that this plus the use of the apps library will make for a 
pretty efficient arrangement.

 

Note that the stacked widgets are interesting. They're like six widgets in one. 
You can edit them to delete widgets you don't want on the stack and rearrange 
the ones that are left. You can then use the context menu to cycle through the 
widgets on the stack.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf

Of Gerardo Corripio

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:59 PM

To: iPhone List mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >

Subject: Can’t move Widgets on Page0 to other pages?

 

Hope you guys can make sense of what I?m trying to do: On what I’ll call Page 0

(what used to be Page1 before iOS14), I’ve several widgets (TuneIn Radio,

Google News), that I want to somehow drag from Page0 to Page 2, but these

don’t move! I try flicking up or down, but no actions rotor. Can’t these widgets

not be moved? Because hwen I go to Add Widgets on Page2, from within the

editing area in which one can move icons around, the widgets that I?m wanting

to move from Page0 to Page2, don’t appear within the Widgets list!

What’s going on then? Thanks for info.

 

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

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Re: Updating Using iTunes

Gotter done and now good to go!

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: Updating Using iTunes

If you have or will upgrade to iOS 14, I think you will have to upgrade 
iTunes.

When you launch it, if you have it set to prompt for updates, you will get a 
prompt.

If you don’t, try alt+h and then arrow down until you get to check for 
updates.

Richard

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Updating Using iTunes

is it worth updating to the latest version of iTunes?  and if so how do you 
do that.  Janet

From: Richard Turner

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:07 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: Updating Using iTunes

Yes, you have to update to the latest iTunes to deal with iOS 14.

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Updating Using iTunes

It must be the latest version of iTune otherwise it prompts you to upgrade.

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Updating Using iTunes

With  your phone plugged into the computer, launch iTunes.

Tab to the iPhone button and hit spacebar or enter.

Make sure it is showing you the correct phone by tapping through.  It should 
give you the name, memory, etc.

Tab until you get to the update button.  A fair number of tabs it is.

Hit spacebar or enter and you wll get the usual agree stuff and then it will 
or should, begin the update process.

HTH,

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 AM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Updating Using iTunes

Hi All,

Would someone please tell me how to update my SE 2016 iPhone using iTunes 
12.6.2?  All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

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