Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suggesting moderation

[Richard Symonds]

Generally, it is better to discuss it privately with the list admins. This
prevents the worst side of mailing lists: a one-sided dogpile on an
individual, who, disruptive or not, should get a fair hearing by the
person(s) whose job it is to moderate.

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On 26 July 2016 at 15:14, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Brill Lyle <wp.brilll...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I was on a very active music mailing list for over 10 years and I was
> > grateful it was not moderated. Moderation can inhibit discussion, even
> when
> > there are disruptors, and it also requires moderators donate a lot of
> > volunteer hours. Which I think within the Wikimedia family community is
> > already being required of many of us. So I would vote against moderation.
> >
> > If an argument / shift was towards moderation, maybe it could be based on
> > edit count and/or contributions? But that seems a bit extreme and awful.
> >
> > - Erika
> >
> > *Erika Herzog*
> > Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle
> >*
>
>
>
> We need moderators to manage spam if for no other reason, and it has been
> helpful in many cases in the 8-9 years I have been subscribed to this list
> to inhibit disruption and encourage civil exchange. We also have a "soft
> limit" of 30 posts per month that has rarely needed to be enforced but is
> still technically on the books.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 100k articles written with Content Translation tool

[Richard Symonds]

Marvellous! It's a fantastic bit of kit. Well done all involved.

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On 18 July 2016 at 12:15, Runa Bhattacharjee <rbhattachar...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Our barely 1-year old Content Translation Tool just passed 100,000
> translations <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslationStats>.
> We've made a video to celebrate the achievement:
> Wikimedia Commons:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Wikipedia_Content_Translation_Tool_reaches_100,000_translations_(no_subtitles).webm
> Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia/
> Twitter:
> https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/754377307377197060
> YouTube:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3btQ5fpn4sA
> Vimeo:
> https://vimeo.com/174526242
>
> You can read more about it on the blog:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/07/16/content-translation-milestone/
>
> Thanks
> Runa
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The end

[Richard Symonds]

Hi all,

I wonder if that's the time to end the thread now (which is on a very
public list) and let people reach out privately. Discussion of this sort of
topic, especially when a specific person is involved, is not ideal, and
could make things worse.

New threads would be best for any more tangentially-related discussions, I
think.

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On 17 May 2016 at 15:58, Brill Lyle <wp.brilll...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I feel really bad for the person who started this thread. I hope and assume
> that the WMF response means they have some sort of way to provide support
> to someone suffering from ideations of suicide.
>
> In addition to a policy on safe space -- which I know exists and our local
> chapter as well as our regular venue have this posted on our namespaces --
> I hope that there is documentation and support on this issue as well. If
> there isn't one there needs to be. And it should be posted in a position
> where it is visible, like the safe space policy.
>
> I've been a member of various online communities, one music mailing list
> for 10+ years where we had a person who had very bad PTSD (who eventually
> got better) and others who died by suicide, etc. The acting out was a very
> difficult situation and one that I have learned to not take lightly. It is
> a lot like life, where you don't know what's going on for people, but it
> definitely makes me pause a bit in interactions online.
>
> This editor and their editing may be an extreme case, but they are not
> alone. I hope they know that from the few responses here.
>
> I have had bad interactions with obstructive, bullying, and Wikipedia rule
> tossing folks. When I have started pages I hold my breath and hope that the
> work doesn't get deleted -- or even scrutinized harshly. When I feel
> passionate about a topic I will try to fight for notability but it's always
> dicey. Then I see articles up on Wikipedia that have no business being up
> there, have two citations and are paragraphs long, but are not challenged,
> subject to the type of scrutiny the new stuff I contribute, etc.
>
> Also, adding content. Good content with citations (I'm obsessed with
> citations). Having it deleted. Being told it is too encyclopedic (yes!).
> Editors deleting content is a real problem. It just takes one to be an
> intransigent jerk and bully or rule throw their way into making the
> experience uncooperative. Sigh.
>
> So I tend to have a very long list of stuff I want to work on, much of it
> in dustier corners of Wikipedia. Thankfully my attention wanders and if a
> page heats up, I unfollow and try to walk away and refocus Sometimes I
> can do that. I had to do that for Louis C.K.'s TV show Horace and Pete (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_and_Pete) because the editing became
> super unpleasant.
>
> Then as a counterbalance
>
> There are times like the collective editing to improve the page on the
> Reverend Clem Pinckney (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clementa_C._Pinckney
> ),
> who was killed in South Carolina during a prayer group by a white
> supremacist, and the collective creation of a page on the setting of that
> tragedy, a Wikipedia entry on the church, Mother Emanuel (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_African_Methodist_Episcopal_Church),
> that was long overdue for an article due to its historical importance in
> the African-American community. And a few other times when I've edited with
> other editors, learned stuff, just enjoyed geeking out with another person
> passionate about making Wikipedia better and more representative of the
> world we live in.
>
> I would love to do more cooperative editing. Most of the editathons we help
> out with here in NYC focus on the new editor. I think we all have a lot to
> offer each other, folks who have been adding content for a while and are
> passionate about that. I wish we did a better job supporting each other.
>
> Best,
>
> - Erika
>
>
>
>
> *Erika Herzog*
> Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>
> Secretary, Wikimedia NYC
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Michel Vuijlsteke <wikipe...@zog.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ArticlePlaceholder now live on first 4 Wikipedias

[Richard Symonds]

Fantastic work!

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On 12 May 2016 at 06:45, Biyanto Rebin <biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id>
wrote:

> Yeay,
>
> Goodluck for Wikidata Team. Looking forward for Indonesian regional
> language version :)
>
> Regards,
>
> 2016-05-12 2:48 GMT+07:00 Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de>:
>
> > Hi everyone :)
> >
> > Last year Lucie started working on the ArticlePlaceholder (
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder) in order to
> > fullfill Wikidata's promise of supporting especially the smaller
> > Wikipedias. Today we have rolled it out on the first 4 Wikipedias:
> > Esperanto, Haitian Creole, Neapolitan and Odia. When someone searches
> for a
> > topic where no local article exists but Wikidata has data we will show an
> > ArticlePlaceholder with this information and encourage the reader to
> create
> > an article. I hope this will help these Wikipedias by offering their
> > readers more content and by turning more of them into active editors.
> >
> > In order for the feature to work well we need labels for items and
> > properties in these languages on Wikidata. A lot exist already but if you
> > want to help out you can find items and properties that need labels in
> > these languages at https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator and
> > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ListProperties.
> >
> > What we rolled out today as usual is a first version. Based on the
> feedback
> > from those 4 Wikipedias we will expand and improve it. One of the next
> > things we will do is add the option to translate an article from another
> > language if it exists using the Content Translation tool and fix known
> > bugs. Things we know are still broken or need work:
> > * language fallbacks in the properties are not working so you will see a
> > lot of P1234 and so on until a label is added on Wikidata in that
> language
> > * long identifiers break out of the identifier box on the right side and
> > don't look good
> > * right now you only get an ArticlePlaceholder in the search results when
> > Wikidata has at least 3 links to other Wikimedia projects and 3
> statements.
> > We might need to tweak this number still based on feedback from the first
> > Wikipedias. We limit this in order to not encourage readers to create an
> > article that will be deleted right after they created it because it isn't
> > notable.
> >
> > Here are some example pages:
> > * Odia:
> >
> >
> https://or.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AC%AC%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%B6%E0%AD%87%E0%AC%B7:AboutTopic?entityid=Q131074
> > * Napolitan:
> >
> https://nap.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A0le:AboutTopic?entityid=Q2613697
> > * Esperanto:
> > https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciala%C4%B5o:AboutTopic?entityid=Q12345
> > * Haitian Creole:
> > https://ht.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espesyal:AboutTopic?entityid=Q12345
> >
> > I'm really excited about making true on one of Wikidata's biggest
> promises.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Lydia
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> > Product Manager for Wikidata
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Kenya - copyright infringement

[Richard Symonds]

No - Swahili is the language spoken in Kenya (officially), although other
languages are used too. There is no "Kenyan Wikipedia" as far as I'm aware!
On 11 Apr 2016 02:36, "Gnangarra"  wrote:

> wouldnt wikipedia kenya be at ke.wikipedia.org  not wikipedia.or.ke
>
> On 10 April 2016 at 19:31, John Mark Vandenberg  wrote:
>
> > http://www.wikipedia.or.ke/ now has ads dancing around the screen, the
> > donate link is gone, and the privacy policy and general disclaimer
> > have been removed.
> >
> > It only has 107,391 articles according to special:statistics.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Pine W  wrote:
> > > I took a look at this. From my brief investigation, this appears to be
> a
> > > good-faith effort by someone to locally host a Kenyan version of
> > Wikipedia.
> > > The donation button properly links to https://donate.wikimedia.org.
> The
> > > server geolocates to Estonia. I am forwarding this report to Legal. I
> > hope
> > > that formal legal action is not necessary and that if the maintainers
> of
> > > the website are responsive that a mutually agreeable settlement can be
> > > arranged.
> > >
> > > Thanks for finding this, Teles.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Lucas Teles 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, everyone.
> > >>
> > >> Somehow I was directed to this project in a search on Google:
> > >> http://www.wikipedia.or.ke/
> > >>
> > >> Does anybody know what is that project?
> > >>
> > >> It seems to have a large content in English but pages doesn't mention
> > >> authorship properly. I am assuming it uses Wikipedia content in
> > violation
> > >> of copyrights.
> > >>
> > >> It also uses the Wikipedia logo improperly. Not sure if a mirror can
> do
> > >> that...
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Teles
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
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> > >>
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> > >> https://twitter.com/Lucas_Teles >
> > >> [image: Skype] < lucastelesr >
> > >> Mobile: < 55 71 9374 2725 >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] User interaction on Wikipedia --call for submissions

[Richard Symonds]

Thanks Moushira :-)
On 16 Mar 2016 16:55, "Moushira Elamrawy"  wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> I see that we have an interesting input here.
>
> Let me add further context, not to give any excuses but to put things in
> their perspective. This has nothing do to with corporate or jargon Silicon
> Valley culture, as I simply don't live in the US, and I don't have any
> corporate background  :). I come from a design background, and while I am
> not a native English speaker, I didn't encounter any previous
> misunderstanding with using this word, in context, in the last decade, even
> with other non-native speakers.
>
> I now see the relevance of psychology in the use of the word "ideation"
> (where regardless of the article quality, we have the word used in both
> context
> <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Ideation_%28creative_process%29=500
> >still)
> . Given my non-medical background, and my previous use of the word, without
> failing to deliver what I needed to express at any point earlier, I,
> therefore, made a choice to include it in my email, which I wrote by myself
> without peer review.
>
> I see the point around the Foundation's seemingly repeated pattern of using
> words (or abbreviation) that aren't widely understood outside their
> context, or by a broader audience. While this is a valid concern, I just
> wanted to point out that our case here, is a matter of me failing to choose
> a term that isn't apparently jargon, because sometimes it is tricky to
> decide.
>
> Again, this is a good lesson on the importance of simplifying and
> globalizing my choice of words (oh, globalize could be jargon..no, not
> again ;).
>
> Point taken, thanks again everyone.
>
> Moushira
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Oliver Keyes  wrote:
>
> > While I agree with people that it's an uncommon and exclusionary
> > phrase (and a confusing one!) it seems like Moushira fully
> > acknowledges this and is going to work harder on this sort of problem
> > in the future, for which I laud her.
> >
> > If we want to have a general conversation about language choice at the
> > WMF, broadly-construed, it seems like it would be best to kick off a
> > new thread to avoid the appearance of a pileon.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Derek V.Giroulle
> >  wrote:
> > > Hello everyone ,
> > >
> > > I agree with Fae and Craig,
> > > It's foreign jargon especially in this context , and on top of that
> > jargon
> > > form a professional background where the term has been misused (imho)
> > > It has in my jargon the connotation of obsessively recurring idea ,
> like
> > a
> > > depressed patient
> > > always coming back to ideas of suicide : the suicidal ideation
> > > It would be the only place where i would allow fosuch reductive jargon
> > > because it has precise meaning
> > > i wouls never associate it with  idea generation or brainstorming what
> is
> > > wrong with using those words
> > > as craig indicated : cringe worthy (business) jargon
> > > the mere fact that product design (business ing general) is stealing a
> > word
> > > form other jargon
> > > show a lack of creativity of innovation
> > >
> > > I would like to call on the communications dept to start  - and i can
> > just
> > > picture someone for that task - a campaign
> > > at WMF  to ban jargon  "simply says it better"
> > >
> > >
> > > derek
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 16-03-16 04:39, Craig Franklin wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Moushira,
> > >>
> > >> The problem when you use jargon like "ideation" in this context is
> that
> > >> you're essentially excluding anyone who isn't familiar with the
> > particular
> > >> terminology used in the field.  Especially so when there are plenty of
> > >> plain-English alternatives that can be used in its place.  Note that
> > there
> > >> is a whole bunch of thought from experts that that word in particular
> > is a
> > >> particularly obnoxious piece of jargon:
> > >>
> > >> * http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/26/pf/corporate-jargon/
> > >> * https://hbr.org/2008/08/why-jargon-feeds-on-lazy-minds.html
> > >> *
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.lifed.com/10-cringeworthy-business-jargon-examples-that-should-be-banned
> > >>
> > >> It's hardly the worst example I've seen out of the WMF, but while
> we're
> > on
> > >> the topic it should be pointed out.  Just because it's used elsewhere,
> > it
> > >> doesn't mean that the WMF has to fall into the same trap.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Craig
> > >>
> > >> On 16 March 2016 at 10:07, Moushira Elamrawy  >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hello Fae,
> > >>>
> > >>> Ideation phase [0], is a term widely used in product and design
> > context.
> > >>> Now, I see your point around how volunteers who are not related to
> > these
> > >>> fields, might not be familiar with it. Possibly something like, idea
> > >>> generation, or brainstorming could have replaced it.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Maps-l] Wiki maps news and updates

[Richard Symonds]

Indeed.  Can't wait for a full rollout!
On 15 Mar 2016 18:57, "Cornelius Kibelka" 
wrote:

> Wow, this looks amazing! I'm looking forward to use it other Wikis,
> especially Wikipedia and Meta.
>
> Thank you for your great work!
>
> On 15 March 2016 at 12:27, Magnus Manske 
> wrote:
>
> > Great work!
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:13 AM Yuri Astrakhan <
> yastrak...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The quest to bring maps to Wikipedia continues:
> > > * Kartographer has launched for WikiVoyage
> > > * Julien Girault will help maps with his UI expertise
> > > * Talk to us at the FreeNode IRC channel #wikipedia-interactive
> > >
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Kartographer
> > >
> > > Last week we enabled Kartographer extension for Wikivoyage sites,
> > allowing
> > > users to add maps to wiki pages without any additional wmflabs and
> > > JavaScript tricks.  Now you can simply add a  or 
> to a
> > > wiki page, or even use the Visual Editor to insert a map. Additionally,
> > you
> > > can:
> > >
> > > * add markers and polygons visually
> > > * edit geojson and see how it changes the map on each keystroke
> > > * add auto-numbered markers (either numbers or letters), and have
> > multiple
> > > counters
> > > * have multiple "groups" of markers/polygons and showing them on the
> same
> > > map or on separate maps (e.g. all food and all drink maps and one
> > combined
> > > map)
> > > * markers can be of any color, 3 sizes, and contain many different
> icons
> > > * markers and polygons can be clicked and will show popups with wiki
> text
> > > and images
> > > * very fast full screen popup map
> > >
> > > Feedback: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Maps
> > > Bugs & TODOs: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/kartographer/
> > > All maps-related tasks: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/maps/
> > >
> > > == What's next? ==
> > > There will be plenty of cleanup and polishing work to make Kartographer
> > > work seamlessly. We will need to address the missing functionality
> > reported
> > > to us by the community, and help migrate existing wmflabs-based maps to
> > the
> > > new platform. Lastly, VE editing will need some more work to become
> > > indispensable.
> > >
> > > Yet, our site is still set on the bigger target - maps for all of
> > > Wikipedia. For that we are waiting for more hardware, plus we will need
> > to
> > > improve our static maps service to be able to handle wiki-load.
> > >
> > > Hardware task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125126
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you Max Semenik, Ed Sanders, Alex Kosiaris, Brandon Black, Chris
> > > Koerner, Chris Steipp, Tomasz Finc, and Wes Moran for making this
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedians of Colorado User Group

[Richard Symonds]

Fantastic! Great to see communities spreading over the mid-US. Can't wait
to see a MO group!

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On 6 March 2016 at 21:57, Carlos M. Colina <ma...@wikimedia.org.ve> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> On behalf of the Afffiliations Committee, I am glad to announce the
> recognition of a new Wikimedia User Group in the United States: Wikimedians
> of Colorado User Group [1]
>
> Among their objectives are organizing meetups of wikimedians in Colorado,
> plus organizing events to promote our projects in the state, especially in
> educational institutions and libraries.
>
> Let's give our colleagues a warm welcome! :-)
>
> 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Colorado_User_Group
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[Wikimedia-l] Free as in beer

[Richard Symonds]

So...

BrewDog, a Scotland-based "hipster brewery" - for want of a better phrase -
have just "open-sourced" their entire recipe collection.

You can read more at https://www.brewdog.com/lowdown/blog/diy-dog.

It's not entirely clear what "licence" they're using but they say:

*"copy them, tear them to pieces, bastardise them, adapt them, but most of
all, enjoy them. They are well travelled but with plenty of miles still
left on the clock. Just remember to share your brews, and share your
results. Sharing is caring."*

I guess "free as in beer" has a slightly different meaning now!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Anybody alive?

[Richard Symonds]

I'm not actually here, I'm a sockpuppet using my wife's laptop.

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On 24 February 2016 at 18:20, Thehelpfulone <thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 24 February 2016 at 18:18, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think we should find first at least one of the list admins, so we
> > could find the names of the persons we are searching. Austin?
> > TheHelpfulOne? Richard (from Australia)?
> >
>
> *waves*, it's actually closer to ~1500, so a few more to find.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Seddon joins the Advancement team

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Congratulations Seddon! Ti'n seren!

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On 9 February 2016 at 19:27, Lisa Gruwell <lgruw...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi All-
>
>
> I am happy to announce that Joseph Seddon (User:Seddon) has joined the
> Advancement team to lead up our Community Engagement! Many of you have been
> asking for us to add a position like this to our team and we are thrilled
> that Seddon agreed to join us because he has both a deep understanding of
> the community and of our team’s work.
>
> Many of you may already know Seddon, as he has been a Wikipedian since
> 2006, twice former WMUK trustee, and has helped the Fundraising team as a
> contractor (on and off) since 2011. Seddon will be a first point of contact
> for the community on all fundraising and partnerships work.  Rest assured,
> all of us on the fundraising team will still be engaged with the community
> on meta, this list, etc.  Seddon will simply be leading the effort in terms
> communication and collaboration and making us better.
>
>
> Welcome (back) Seddon!
>
>
> Best,
>
> Lisa Gruwell
>
> P.S. For those of you who have never met him, here's an intro is his own
> words:
>
> Having been involved in the chapters, online community or working for the
> foundation in some shape or form since 2007, I have stood on pretty much on
> all sides of all the fences and even found myself straddling one or two in
> that time. That has given me a pretty unique perspective in terms of
> fundraising within the movement and one that I hope will serve both the
> community and my colleagues well going forward. On a more personal note,
> I’m based near London but originally from Wales. Interests include Rugby,
> Formula 1 and Cooking and prefer the hills to the city.
>
> If you ever have any questions relating to any of the work the Advancement
> department does then feel free to drop me a message on my talk page [1], by
> email [2] or right here on this list.
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jseddon_(WMF)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

[Richard Symonds]

Congratulations María! It's good to see you on the board.

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On 29 January 2016 at 15:27, Patricio Lorente <patricio.lore...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
>
> I am happy to announce the Board intends to fill the open community Trustee
> seat at our meeting this weekend. On Saturday, María Sefidari will accept
> an appointment to the Board of Trustees, stepping into the third
> community-nominated seat. The appointment will last the remainder of the
> two year term, until Wikimania 2017.
>
>
> Many of you know María. She previously served as a community-selected
> Trustee from August 2013 to July 2015. In the most recent 2015 community
> elections, she received the next highest support percentage, and highest
> number of support votes. She was born and lives in Madrid, Spain, and has
> been a contributor to the Wikimedia projects since 2006. She was a founding
> member of Spanish Wikipedia's LGBT Wikiproject, Wikimedia España, and
> Wikimujeres Grupo de Usuarias. She has also served on the Affiliations and
> Individual Engagement Grants committees. María is passionate about the role
> of diversity in our strategic efforts to retain and increase editorship,
> and improving channels for community participation in Foundation governance
> and policymaking.
>
>
> We consulted with the 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee before
> deciding how to proceed in identifying a new Trustee. They offered
> thoughtful feedback on the possible available options, and we’re grateful
> for their considerations. (
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015#2015_Foundation_Elections_Committee_thoughts_on_how_to_fill_the_vacancy_in_the_Board_after_the_removal_of_James_Heilman
> >
> )
>
>
> We are certain many of you are wondering why we decided against holding
> another election. We did consider the option, but the disadvantages
> outweighed the benefits. The last election was well-attended, and still
> quite recent. Holding a new election would take considerable time, and we
> have important issues to address in the near future. It was important to us
> that the community perspective is fully represented in these conversations,
> without delay. We also didn’t want to distract from the affiliate Trustee
> selection process, which is coming up soon.
>
>
> I am excited by the dedication, compassion, and experience María brings to
> the Board at a crucial time. We are confident she will serve our mission
> with wisdom and grace.
>
>
> Please join me in congratulating our friend María, and thanking her service
> to our movement.
>
>
> Patricio
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Footer link fix request

[Richard Symonds]

I've redirected the link to go to
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines :-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wmfall] Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!

[Richard Symonds]

+1 - this is a good idea, Risker. Projects from smaller communities get
easily outvoted by the more heavyweight projects, and in some cases they
may be both easier to implement and have more impact for the projects as a
whole than a more popular (but more complex) project on a large wiki.

I also want to echo everyone's comments about determining priorities: this
is a really good step to see!

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On 16 December 2015 at 20:39, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Danny - this looks like a pretty good list.
>
> Every one of the top-10 proposals is worthwhile all by itself, and a couple
> of them have the potential to have multi-project effects; I'm not
> suggesting that they be set aside.  However, I'd like to suggest that at
> the next selection process, a slot be specifically reserved for a project
> on one of the less populous projects.  The system of selecting the most
> popular options almost guarantees that something to improve (for example)
> Wikisource or Wiktionary will be an also-ran, simply because there aren't
> enough members of those specialized communities to out-vote the really
> popular things from Wikipedia. This can lead to the circular effect of
> small projects having a hard time expanding their community because of
> technical weaknesses which don't get fixed because there isn't a big enough
> community to vote to get them to the top of the community tech wishlist...
>
> Nonetheless, this is a great first attempt at actively involving
> communities in determining priorities for this specific WMF team. I hope
> that the WMF staff involved have also felt the process was worthwhile, and
> I'll really be looking forward to the viability assessments.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 16 December 2015 at 15:22, Toby Negrin <tneg...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > No one asked for 10 more wishes? :)
> >
> > Thanks Danny and the Community Tech team. This is a great model for
> working
> > with our Communities.
> >
> > -Toby
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Nirzar Pangarkar <
> > npangar...@wikimedia.org
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > It's really cool to see community wish list coming together!
> > >
> > > > We're going to talk with the other Wikimedia product teams, to see if
> > > they can take on some of the ideas the the community has expressed
> > interest
> > > in.
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 1:42 AM, Danny Horn <dh...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi everyone,
> > >>
> > >> I'm happy to announce that the Community Tech team's Community
> Wishlist
> > >> Survey has concluded, and we're able to announce the top 10 wishes!
> > >>
> > >> 634 people participated in the survey, where they proposed, discussed
> > and
> > >> voted on 107 ideas. There was a two-week period in November to submit
> > and
> > >> endorse proposals, followed by two weeks of voting. The top 10
> proposals
> > >> with the most support votes now become the Community Tech team's
> > backlog of
> > >> projects to evaluate and address.
> > >>
> > >> And here's the top 10:
> > >>
> > >> #1. Migrate dead links to the Wayback Machine  (111 support votes)
> > >> #2. Improved diff compare screen  (104)
> > >> #3. Central global repository for templates, gadgets and Lua modules
> > (87)
> > >> #4. Cross-wiki watchlist  (84)
> > >> #4. Numerical sorting in categories  (84)
> > >> #6. Allow categories in Commons in all languages  (78)
> > >> #7. Pageview Stats tool  (70)
> > >> #8. Global cross-wiki user talk page  (66)
> > >> #9. Improve the "copy and paste detection" bot  (63)
> > >> #10. Add a user watchlist  (62)
> > >>
> > >> You can see the whole list here, with links to all the proposals and
> > >> Phabricator tickets:
> > >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Results
> > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

[Richard Symonds]

Terrible news - our thoughts are with his family and those who knew him.

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On 11 December 2015 at 16:13, Katy Love <kl...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Thank you for this very sad update, Milos. I'm so sorry to hear this news.
>
> My condolences to his family and all Wikimedians who knew him.
>
> Katy
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am
> > content as we sent him the message while he was alive and able to feel
> it.
> >
> > Thanks to all of you who made him feel better during the last days of his
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[Richard Symonds]

Folks, regardless of which views we hold, we're all on the same side - can
we try and be a little less acerbic please - it is Friday after all!

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On 20 November 2015 at 13:50, Petr Kadlec <petr.kad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > When Wikipedia is a black box, not communicating about with the outside
> > world, at some stage the situation becomes toxic. At this moment there
> are
> > already those at Wikidata that argue not to bother about Wikipedia
> quality
> > because in their view, Wikipedians do not care about its own quality.
> >
>
> Right. When some users blindly dump random data to Wikidata, not
> communicating about with the outside world, at some stage the situation
> becomes toxic. At this moment there are already those at Wikipedia that
> argue not to bother about Wikidata quality because in their view,
> Wikidatans do not care about its own quality.
>
> For instance, take a look at
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GerardM
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GerardM/Archive_1
>
> Erm
> -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]]
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[Wikimedia-l] Interesting - and helpful - blog post

[Richard Symonds]

All,

I thought it would be helpful to share with you all this blog post from a
key volunteer at Wikimania 2014, who has gone on to launch a domestic
violence charity on a shoestring budget.

It explains how she went about it, what their workflows are, how they
attract and keep volunteers, how they use open licensing to make a real
difference in a non-open-movement group. I've already got some great new
ideas from it, and it has ideas that could help all of us, from the WMF to
WMIE.

Key reading, I think, for those who have even a small group of Wikimedia
volunteers and no budget!

It's at
https://medium.com/@hera/running-a-fluid-and-democratic-volunteer-run-organisation-3538e12c699e


Richard Symonds
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'll be moving on

[Richard Symonds]

Jan,

Sorry to see you go - but we will of course see you in future, I'm sure.
You won't get away that easily ;-)

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On 8 October 2015 at 10:10, Erik Zachte <erikzac...@infodisiac.com> wrote:

> Dear Jan,
>
> Thank you very much for your immense contributions to the movement!
> Not the least of those is your ability to be (and I quote Sandra Rientjes)
> 'a source of sanity and calm'.
> I can't vow for chapter meetings as Sandra does, but I have seen a lot of
> that on public mailing lists.
> Happy editing!
>
> Erik
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Anders Wennersten
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 11:09
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'll be moving on
>
> It is almost on the day 8 years since Jan and I joined the first WMSE
> board. And while we were many getting the chapters up and running, Jan did
> in many ways play a crucial role. When we were in internal turmoil, it was
> Jan who stepped in and took care of the critical task and saved the day.
> And even more important it was Jan who early on spotted the opportunity in
> the idea of the "new" chapters. And as an volunteer he and Holger spend
> almost a year filling in application forms, budgets etc, which become the
> excellent base for the fully fledged chapter that been here since
>
> Kudos for all what you have done and wishing you all the best for the
> future!
>
> Anders
> who still will meet you Wednesday when you once more will help me to
> interwork with Wikidata, the valuable asset but oh so technically
> complicated, but which you so well master
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Den 2015-10-08 kl. 10:22, skrev Jan Ainali:
> > All,
> >
> > For the last three years I have been the Executive Director for
> > Wikimedia Sverige. Before that I have been Chairman, Treasurer and
> > Secretary of the board (at different times) and have been involved
> > since the founding of the chapter in 2007. It is perhaps even an
> > understatement to say that the chapter has been a big part of my life.
> > I have had the opportunity to be part of a fantastic journey from
> > starting the first chapter’s activities to today, with stable
> > strategic activities, seven people in the office, and a diversified
> > board. It has been an awesome time in my life and I have met and
> > worked with some truly wonderful persons along the way, and I am
> > thankful to all of you that have made it so inspiring. But now, as my
> > contract is about to come to an end, I feel that it is time for me to
> > move on to new endeavours. I am confident that the chapter is already
> > in good hands, with a professional board and an office with
> > experienced staff members and functional processes, but I’ll be around
> until at least the beginning of January to make it a smooth transition.
> >
> > I will obviously always be a wikimedian at heart and probably pick up
> > on my editing again and I will also stay subscribed to most mailing
> > lists. If not earlier, I’ll see you in Esino Lario.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > *Jan Ainali*
> > Executive director, Wikimedia Sverige <http://wikimedia.se>
> >
> >
> >
> > *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till
> > mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.* Bli medlem.
> > <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se>
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[Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Richard Symonds]

All,

The University of Edinburgh has today started advertising for a part time
Wikimedian in Residence post:

http://www.jobs.ac.uk/job/AMB999/wikimedian-in-residence-fixed-term-part-time/


To quote from it directly:


Do you have an eye for detail and a love of facts? Are you an experienced
> Wikimedian with experience working with the Wikimedia community? What would
> you do to engage our staff and students in editing, contributing and
> sharing open knowledge? We are recruiting a Wikimedian in Residence to work
> in Information Services alongside our learning technologists, archivists,
> librarians and information literacy teams. Following our first successful
> editathon events we now need your help to establish a network of
> Wikimedians on campus and to embed digital skills and open knowledge
> activities in learning and teaching across the University.
>

I will also send this to the UK list, but I know many Scottish Wikimedians
don't follow that list as closely as Wikimedia-l :-)

Good luck to those who apply - any questions will have to go to the
University directly, as they're running the recruitment process themselves.

All the best,


Richard Symonds
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Richard Symonds]

Apologies for missing out the subject :-(

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On 8 October 2015 at 16:44, Richard Symonds <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> All,
>
> The University of Edinburgh has today started advertising for a part time
> Wikimedian in Residence post:
>
>
> http://www.jobs.ac.uk/job/AMB999/wikimedian-in-residence-fixed-term-part-time/
>
>
> To quote from it directly:
>
>
> Do you have an eye for detail and a love of facts? Are you an experienced
> > Wikimedian with experience working with the Wikimedia community? What
> would
> > you do to engage our staff and students in editing, contributing and
> > sharing open knowledge? We are recruiting a Wikimedian in Residence to
> work
> > in Information Services alongside our learning technologists, archivists,
> > librarians and information literacy teams. Following our first successful
> > editathon events we now need your help to establish a network of
> > Wikimedians on campus and to embed digital skills and open knowledge
> > activities in learning and teaching across the University.
> >
>
> I will also send this to the UK list, but I know many Scottish Wikimedians
> don't follow that list as closely as Wikimedia-l :-)
>
> Good luck to those who apply - any questions will have to go to the
> University directly, as they're running the recruitment process themselves.
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
>
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> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

[Richard Symonds]

Steinsplitter, with respect (and I mean that!), I don't think a poll on
meta would be enough. For something this big, either we get the views of
the community as a whole - including those who don't read meta - or we come
up with another way (eg a committee). A small poll on meta would not be
representative enough.

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On 7 October 2015 at 12:04, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
wrote:

> A small poll on meta would be enough.
>
> > From: josephfoxw...@gmail.com
> > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:14:59 +
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost
> >
> > If you want the views of everyone on every project... then yes, I do.
> >
> > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 20:14 MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Do you really believe the community consists of several 100.000 people?
> > > Am 06.10.2015 21:01 schrieb "Joseph Fox" <josephfoxw...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 17:27 Steinsplitter Wiki <
> > > > steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > To be honest: I am not surprised at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wikimedia Foundation is becoming moor and moor centralized. They no
> > > > longer
> > > > > care about the community, even if there is huge community consensus
> > > about
> > > > > something.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why is there a secret committee needed? It is easier to ask the
> > > > community.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > While I agree it's important to sort things with the community (since
> > > that
> > > > is the lifeblood of the projects), are you seriously suggesting that
> it's
> > > > easier to gauge the consensus of hundreds of thousands of people
> rather
> > > > than make a decision in a smaller committee, secret or otherwise?
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am disappointed
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:13:13 -0400
> > > > > > From: nawr...@gmail.com
> > > > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by
> Signpost
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Evidently the Signpost has scooped the WMF by revealing that
> Montreal
> > > > has
> > > > > > been selected for the 2017 Wikimania host city in a secret
> process
> > > that
> > > > > > completed this past August. [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems like the community could have been looped into this new
> > > method
> > > > > > before it was a done deal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~Nathan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_and_notes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

[Richard Symonds]

True, but not everyone reads the VP on each project: take Wikidata for
example. There are a fair few people who don't read it at all! A mass
message would be better, an email or banner to people better still - but it
depends on who exactly you want the opinion of! "Community" is a big term
:-)

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On 7 October 2015 at 15:35, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
wrote:

> You can post on VP that there is such a poll on :m:
>
> Common sense.
>
> > From: richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
> > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 14:39:11 +0100
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost
> >
> > Steinsplitter, with respect (and I mean that!), I don't think a poll on
> > meta would be enough. For something this big, either we get the views of
> > the community as a whole - including those who don't read meta - or we
> come
> > up with another way (eg a committee). A small poll on meta would not be
> > representative enough.
> >
> > Richard Symonds
> > Wikimedia UK
> > 0207 065 0992
> >
> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
> 4LT.
> > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> >
> > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
> >
> > On 7 October 2015 at 12:04, Steinsplitter Wiki <
> steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A small poll on meta would be enough.
> > >
> > > > From: josephfoxw...@gmail.com
> > > > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:14:59 +
> > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by
> Signpost
> > > >
> > > > If you want the views of everyone on every project... then yes, I do.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 20:14 MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Do you really believe the community consists of several 100.000
> people?
> > > > > Am 06.10.2015 21:01 schrieb "Joseph Fox" <josephfoxw...@gmail.com
> >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 17:27 Steinsplitter Wiki <
> > > > > > steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To be honest: I am not surprised at all.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation is becoming moor and moor centralized.
> They no
> > > > > > longer
> > > > > > > care about the community, even if there is huge community
> consensus
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why is there a secret committee needed? It is easier to ask the
> > > > > > community.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While I agree it's important to sort things with the community
> (since
> > > > > that
> > > > > > is the lifeblood of the projects), are you seriously suggesting
> that
> > > it's
> > > > > > easier to gauge the consensus of hundreds of thousands of people
> > > rather
> > > > > > than make a decision in a smaller committee, secret or otherwise?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am disappointed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Biggest disappointment from Wikimania 2017

[Richard Symonds]

Yaroslav,

To be fair to Ellie (and speaking as an outsider), she is extremely busy
and usually answers direct emails quite quickly, but doesn't usually get
involved in big community discussion threads on mailing lists because she
spends a lot of her time travelling (and thus, I suspect,using a mobile
device).

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On 6 October 2015 at 15:21, Yaroslav M. Blanter <pute...@mccme.ru> wrote:

> On 2015-10-06 06:25, Gnangarra wrote:
>
>> This has been going on for three days, yet not one person involved in this
>> decision has take a moment to reachout personally to the people who worked
>> on bids, They have tabled justifications on list discussions, they have
>> changed the status of Meta pages but not once have they given anyone the
>> courtesy of owning the mistakes that have caused this, not even the WMF
>> has
>> made any personal attempt to help reconcile the damage at a more personal
>> level..
>>
>>
> To be honest, I can not recollect a single instance WMF people ever
> apologized to the community for any decision, even when it was immediately
> clear that they screwed up badly (like removing admin rights on WMF Wiki
> etc). I do not expect it this time. I do not see Elly Young in any of the
> Wikimania threads.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Spain board

[Richard Symonds]

Congratulations from all at Wikimedia UK!

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On 5 October 2015 at 06:54, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> wrote:

> Congratulations to the (re)elected, and a special congrats to Santi for
> becoming el presidente!
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:09 AM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you to the members whose terms are complete, and congratulations to
> > Wikimedia Espana on their new board. Best wishes to the new members!
> >
> >
> > Risker/Anne
> >
> > On 4 October 2015 at 19:38, Tito Dutta <trulyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Best wishes and congrats.
> > >
> > > On 5 October 2015 at 04:09, Dennis Tobar <dennis.to...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Enhorabuena a los nuevos integrantes de la Junta Directiva :)
> > > >
> > > > Congrats to new board members :)
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Habib M'henni <
> habib.mhe...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hola,
> > > > > Best wishes and good luck for the new board.
> > > > >
> > > > > Habib aka Dyolf77,
> > > > > WTNUG
> > > > >
> > > > > Le 4 octobre 2015 22:25:12 CET, Santiago Navarro <
> > > > > santiagonava...@wikimedia.org.es> a écrit :
> > > > > >Dear members of the Wikimedia movement,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I would like to announce that Wikimedia España’s General Assembly,
> > > that
> > > > > >
> > > > > >was celebrated last 26 September 2015 in Madrid, elected a new
> board
> > > > > >after three years of the last election as our bylaws states.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The new board is comprised of:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >President: Santiago Navarro
> > > > > >Vice-president: Jorge Sierra
> > > > > >Secretary: Luis Ulzurrun
> > > > > >Treasurer: Miguel Ángel García
> > > > > >Board member: David Abián
> > > > > >Board member: Diego Delso
> > > > > >Board member: Jesús Tramullas
> > > > > >Board member: José Emilio Mori
> > > > > >Board member: Manuel Palomo
> > > > > >Board member: Manuel Torío
> > > > > >Board member: Montserrat Sáez
> > > > > >Board member: Pablo Machón
> > > > > >Board member: Pedro Pacheco
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I want to thank to the former members of WMES board, Felipe Ortega
> > and
> > > > > >Rubén Ojeda. I hope that this new periode could help us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--
> > > > > >Santiago Navarro
> > > > > >Presidente
> > > > > >Wikimedia España
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedians of Ecuador User Group

[Richard Symonds]

Congratulations from WMUK!

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On 29 September 2015 at 05:31, Subhashish Panigrahi <
subhash...@cis-india.org> wrote:

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> On 9/29/2015 8:34 AM, Tito Dutta wrote:
> > Congrats. :)
> >
> > On 29 September 2015 at 00:21, Shlomi Fish <shlo...@shlomifish.org>
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> >> On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:51:44 +0300
> >> "Carlos M. Colina" <ma...@wikimedia.org.ve> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> On behalf of the Affiliations Committee, I am pleased to announce the
> >>> recognition [1] of Wikimedians of Ecuador [2]. Among their goals is
> >>> promoting the culture of Free Knowledge in Ecuador, strenghtening the
> >>> digital education in the country, and supporting the access of speakers
> >>> of indigenous languages to the different Wikimedia projects.
> >>>
> >>> ¡Bienvenidos!
> >>>
> >>
> >> Congratulations and good luck!
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Nigeria

[Richard Symonds]

Congratulations from all at WMUK! We look forward to working with you in
future :-)

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On 29 September 2015 at 06:56, Nurunnaby Chowdhury <nhas...@wikimedia.org.bd
> wrote:

> Congratulations!
>
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> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Wong Rover <ro...@wikimedia.hk> wrote:
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> > 2015年9月29日 上午4:45於 "Nasir Khan" <nasir8...@gmail.com>寫道：
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> > > Congratulations. :D
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> > > On Sep 29, 2015 12:51 AM, "Shlomi Fish" <shlo...@shlomifish.org>
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> > > > On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:44:56 +0300
> > > > "Carlos M. Colina" <ma...@wikimedia.org.ve> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > > On behalf of the Affiliations Commitee, I am pleased to announce
> the
> > > > > recognition [1] of Wikimedia Community User Group Nigeria [2].
> Among
> > > > > their goals is to increase the usage of the different WIkimedia
> > > projects
> > > > > in Nigeria not just as viewers, but as editors/contributors and
> > > organize
> > > > > in-person gatherings and edit-a-thons.
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome to the family, guys!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Congratulations and good luck!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Richard Symonds]

I am not sure how the Italian WLM works, but I believe they do still
attract newbies to the competition. I am not sure about their proportion of
casual
uploaders/experienced uploaders but we haven't seen figures either way
there.

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On 24 August 2015 at 12:08, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think you misunderstand me. What I meant to say is that though the impact
 of no banner might be great, it is not so great as it would be for those
 countries who can attract newbies to the competition. The Italian situation
 is so complicated that I don't think their proportion of casual
 uploaders/experienced uploaders is the same as for other countries, ergo,
 the banner would be less of an issue, though still an issue.

 On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi Jane,
  Yes, Italy is one of those odd countries without freedom of panorama. The
  copyright on photos of monuments is held by local governments. Wikimedia
  Italy has as large task to get permission from these hundreds/thousands
  local administrations for the photos uploaded. Therefore organising Wiki
  Loves Monuments in Italy is a very very heavy and extensive task in
  comparison with other countries. The Italian Wiki Loves Monuments team
 does
  a great job in getting all the permissions.
 
  You can't derive from the situation that there is no FoP, that thus the
  impact won't be too great. Te kort door de bocht.
 
  Romaine
 
  2015-08-24 12:19 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com:
 
  Isn't Italy one of those odd European countries that won't allow freedom
  of panorama? Surely the impact won't be too great, considering that the
  type of people who can participate are at least savvy enough to
 understand
  the oddities of the Italian monuments situation  Commons. Italy was
 late
  to join the WLM party for this reason, and I understand it is only
 specific
  municipalities that take part now.
 
  On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Giving Wiki Loves Monuments the worst possible situation is certainly
  not a compromise, but a situation in what users from the community are
  crushed under the weight of the foundation. A compromise is, according
 to
  the dictionary, a situation in what both parties concede something. In
 this
  case, WLM concedes everything and WMF nothing.
  I have seen already users asking if this will be the next big clash
  between WMF and the community, after the VisualEditor, MediaViewer,
  Superprotect and other issues. I personally hope not.
 
  You are of course free to think how much negative impact it will have,
  but I base my numbers on the statistics from the past years. We have
 seen
  each time a big influence from conflicting banners or outage. We have
  followed the statistics and the impact of past years and we have
 learned
  from the past that it has a big impact we certainly should not
  underestimate.
 
  And I disagree with your statement that there always will be a clash
  somewhere. There is no need for a clash if people work together on the
  planning. September is not the only month in autumn, and not all
 countries
  are occupied by Wiki Loves Monuments. Suggesting otherwise are fairy
 tales.
  This is one of the strongest examples of bad planning I have seen in
 all
  the years. Of every country that organises Wiki Loves Monuments, they
 have
  picked the worst possible country.
 
  You reduce this problem to just a number of emotive emails, with what
  you make clear you missed the essence of this case.
 
  Romaine
 
  2015-08-24 10:53 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com:
 
  Hi Romaine,
 
   And the outcome is ridiculous. This is not a compromise. The Italian
  WLM
   team has been crashed under the weight and preponderance of the
  Wikimedia
   Foundation.
 
  Well - it *is* a compromise. It isn't what you want and I think I
  understand your reasons for thinking it will have a very big impact. I
  know
  from plenty of past experience of being a volunteer disagreeing with
 WMF
  staff  how frustrating this is (though actually I think the impact on
  WLM
  will be less than you expect in this case).
 
  But it is plainly not the case that the WMF has just blundered ahead
  with
  what it was going to do anyway. And even if WMF were not involved at
 all
  and there were some other method of allocating banner space

Re: [Wikimedia-l] harald bischoff advertising to make images for the wikimedia foundation and then suing users

[Richard Symonds]

I think the next step is for someone to notify him that he's being talked
about. :-)
On 20 Jul 2015 13:39, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 20 July 2015 at 18:09, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote:

  it is also hard for me to get behind the
  notion of punishing someone for demanding that reusers due the things
 that
  Commons actually recommends that they do.

 It's not a question of punishment, but of protecting Commons'
 reputation (from being brought into disrepute, as it might be
 termed)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

[Richard Symonds]

Are there any Cebuano or Waray community members on the list to offer an
opinion?
On 6 Jul 2015 23:47, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 I belong to the group of Josh and Ilario and others who have strong
 objections against the inundation of pseudo articles (one
 sentence-articles, bot creations based on database information etc.).

 The people who justify their bot creations make two wrong assumptions:
 a) about the contributors: Later, someone will come and improve the
 stubs. No, that is not true, at least not in the large majority of the
 language versions, and not within the 5 or 10 years we have experience with
 this phenomenon.
 b) about the readers: No article is better than none. No, bad articles
 create a poor impression about a wiki. If you lure someone to your website,
 because Google indicated an article about a topic, and if the article is
 far from the expections, you don't give readers a reason to come back.
 They'll keep preferring Wikipedia in English.

 I can imagine that bot articles about your own topics can make sence: like
 Frisian villages in Frisian Wikipedia (but certainly not Hungarian villages
 in Basque Wikipedia). There is a realistic chance that those articles will
 be expanded.

 In general, if a Wikipedia language version does not have an article about
 a peticular village in a far far away country, or a star in a far far
 galaxy, then the reader should be sent to Wikidata or Reasonator.

 A friend of mine is an expert on the Corsican language. He told me about
 Corsican Wikipedia: All those mini articles on French or Italian villages,
 that's nonsense. Those Wikipedians should better concentrate on
 important articles such as History of Corsica or Corsican
 literature, they are still very poorly written. (This was in a
 conversation from a few years ago, I apologize if the situation is
 different now.)

 Kind regards
 Ziko


 Am Montag, 6. Juli 2015 schrieb Asaf Bartov :

  Indeed, as Josh points out, there are also costs (even if only perceived
 or
  reputational costs) to populating a tiny Wikipedia with next to no active
  editors with hundreds of thousands of bot-generated stubs.  Is having
 stubs
  on all French communes in Cebuano better than having nothing in Cebuano?
  Probably, yes.  And by increasing pageviews (which is measurable), one
  increases the likelihood of organic conversion of readers into editors
  (which is *still* the most effective way to make Wikipedians, albeit not
  the easiest to directly control).
 
  But, again as Josh says, that increase in *editorship* is yet to be
  attained.  The Waray Wikipedia (btw, Waray-Waray is, it turns out,
  objectionable to Waray speakers, and is mildly derogatory) is still
 largely
  edited by *one* committed individual, User:JinJian[1], as the stats
 plainly
  show.  Given that the bot was run *with* JinJian's consent, there can be
 no
  objection to its operation.
 
  As Milos suggests, there seems to be an emotional response to those
  Wikipedias appearing in the top 10 view.  This should be divorced from
  those communities' sovereign decisions to run or not run the bot.  If the
  top 10 inclusion truly bothers people, and there's a strong consensus
 that
  Wikipedias largely populated by bot-generated stubs should not be
  included, a discussion could be had on what this view *should* mean,
  precisely, if not plainly the top 10 Wikipedias by article count.  And
  whatever refined definition is agreed upon (e.g. thresholds like a
 minimum
  number of active editors, or some formula involving the article depth
  figure, or whatever) can then be made the basis for the list, or indeed,
  for a different list, that would be more satisfying for those who are
  displeased with being under these Wikipedias on the list.
 
 A.
 
  [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaWAR.htm#wikipedians
 
  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com
  javascript:; wrote:
 
   I can probably speak for those communities.  On the whole, the logic
   behind the Lsjbot experiment was simple: build it and they will come.
  
   So far though, this hasn’t happened.  We from the Tagalog Wikipedia
 were
   also approached for this experiment, but we know what happens when
   bot-generated articles are made: the community is overwhelmed.  Out of
  that
   fear, we declined to participate.
  
   One of the concerns some editors in the Philippines have (and these are
   sentiments I share) is that these two Wikipedias turn us into a
   laughingstock, willing to increase article numbers at any cost.  At one
   point, the Cebuano Wikipedia was described as a Wikipedia of French
   communes, not content relevant to Cebu or Cebuanos.  I don’t think we’d
   like that with other Wikipedias in the Philippines or elsewhere.
  
   Regards,
  
   Josh
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

[Richard Symonds]

Completely agree with you Asaf. I don't think it's up to us Wikimedia-l
subscribers, but up to each specific community. We can learn from their
decisions but are on difficult ground if we judge them for it. Your third
paragraph was a bit complex for me to succinctly reword while agreeing
with it, but it's a good starting point. But rather than a top list,
perhaps we should be looking at number of editors/number of speakers?

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On 7 July 2015 at 00:14, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  Are there any Cebuano or Waray community members on the list to offer an
  opinion?
 

 There is no likely productive outcome of sharing more opinions on the bot
 issue, even by members of those communities.

 The point of my earlier post was an attempt to:

 1. derail the rehashing of the Lsjbot-good-or-evil discussion, as it's
 pointless and, quite simply, Not Up To You, as Wikimedia-l subscribers, but
 up to each specific community, as would be discussed in each community's
 on-wiki discussion spaces.
 2. separate the top 10 issue that was the original trigger for this
 renewed discussion, and suggest a constructive direction in which that
 anxiety could be fruitfully addressed, quite apart from whether and which
 communities decide to employ Lsjbot to populate their wikis.

 I hope that's clearer now.

A.
 --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FindArticles.com died in 2012

[Richard Symonds]

There's a point to be made there: Libraries in some countries are still
being destroyed (see
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/28/mali-timbuktu-library-ancient-manuscripts
and http://elaph.com/Web/Culture/2015/2/985403.html or
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/isis-burns-8000-rare-books-030900856.html),
and although there's an effort to save them, it's not an effort we're
really involved with. That's before we even start on how to reflect a
reference to a non-existent book on Wikipedia!

But to get back to the original point, a semi-automated effort might be the
best way (if the slowest) to get these web pages linked properly again.




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On 30 June 2015 at 11:06, Lilburne lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net wrote:

 On 30/06/2015 10:58, Ricordisamoa wrote:

 Il 30/06/2015 11:41, Lilburne ha scritto:

 The average lifespan of a webpage is about 77 days. It matters not
 whether the site is still running or dead. Webmasters shuffle stuff about
 and delete things at will. Click on the random article button and see a)
 how many of the first 10 have external links, and b) how many of those
 links are still live, or don't redirect to the sites homepage. I reckon at
 least 50% of all external links on en.wp are dead. Lesson: the internet is
 ephemeral and the only permanent record is on physical material.


 Yes, if you forget
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria.


 Well of course that was some 1700 years ago. You are equating a event of
 millennial proportion with something that happens every day? Get a grip on
 reality.





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] English Wikipedia uses Wikidata for person data

[Richard Symonds]

Hello all,

Could we keep this discussion on one mailing list (or at least on all of
them consistently if possible please? I'm missing out on parts of the
conversation :-)

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On 4 June 2015 at 10:20, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hoi,
 I am not championing Sparkle and other wonderful tools. I am adding data
 and i do no longer have the time. While I applaud your work it does not
 bring new data like the date of death into Wikidata. It works on the back
 of the work of the drones like me who add data. Your work while important
 is secondary and therefore your preferences are secondary.

 The primary need is to bring quality information to Wikidata. Quality is
 not in sources but it is in knowing that there is agreement on the data and
 where there is not, only then sources become interesting at this stage or
 our game.

 I will blog about the relative worth of sources in the near future. At this
 time I find it mostly a distraction because we are not working on
 comparison of data as long as it is not used to bring quality everwhere it
 does not do what I am looking for. It is concentrating on single facts and
 not on quality in the first place.
 Thanks,
   GerardM

 On 4 June 2015 at 10:49, Markus Kroetzsch markus.kroetz...@tu-dresden.de
 wrote:

  Hi Gerard,
 
  On 04.06.2015 09:26, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
 
  Hoi,
  An argument rages about the significance of the English WIkipedia using
  Wikidata for person data, things like date of death.
 
 
  I don't see an argument raging anywhere, though you seem to be raging
  quite a bit ;-) Maybe you have been discussing elsewhere than on the
  DBpedia or Wikidata mailing lists? (Are the Dutch Wikipedians discussing
  this maybe? If it's not in English, could you give us a summary of the
  issues discussed in this argument?)
 
  From my point of view, it would be great if DBpedia could donate some of
  its data to Wikidata. For example, there could be a bot that imports
 date
  of death statements from Wikipedia via DBpedia as you suggested. The
  Wikidata community has imported many statements from Wikipedia in the
 past
  and I don't see a big problem doing this with DBpedia in the middle if
  people feel that this is easier than extracting stuff from Wikipedia
 right
  away. I think the reason why it is not done is that nobody has prepared
 and
  proposed such a bot yet. If there is nobody from DBpedia who can help
 with
  this, maybe the best people to approach would be the bot authors who have
  helped to import all the existing personal data into Wikidata.
 
  As I wrote in my previous email to the Wikidata list, I would prefer if
  Wikipedia-scraped data (whether from DBpedia or not) would go through the
  primary sources tool, to help Wikidata to get rid of all the imported
 from
  Wikipedia references. But this does not apply to DBpedia specifically in
  any way.
 
  Anyway, let's not over-dramatise this discussion. If you want to champion
  this work, you could start by doing a simple query against the DBpedia
 and
  Wikidata SPARQL endpoints to count how many dates of death each of these
  datasets contains right now. The next step would be to use another simple
  query to display the most recent dates of death so as to compare them.
 This
  could give the community a sense of whether a large-scale bot action, a
  Wikidata game, primary sources, or a simple list of editing suggestions
  could be the right tool of getting the missing data into Wikidata.
 
  Regards,
 
  Markus
 
 
  DBpedia does a better job than Wikidata does and it does it because they
  not only use dumps to update their information but they also use
  information from RSS. Therefore they do a better job than volunteers
  like myself at Wikidata do.
 
  In my blogpost [1] I argue for cooperation. My point is very much that
  increasingly I find I do no longer have the time to maintain the data
  for people who died in 2014 or 2015. I have done that the last two
 years..
 
  I desperately want to do other things with Wikidata, things that are
  more relevant. PLEASE consider cooperating with the DBpedia people. They
  are part of our ecosystem, they want to share and they want to make
  their data available with our license.
  Thanks,
  GerardM
 
 
  [1]
 
 
 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/06/english-wikipedia-and-those-who-died-in.html

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

[Richard Symonds]

This is a very enlightening discussion, but it's painfully apparent that
there is no input in this discussion from someone who is sight-impaired, or
input from an organisation like RNIB
http://www.rnib.org.uk/about-rnib/web-accessibility-statement.

Getting a wide range of this input is really key before this can go much
further.

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On 28 May 2015 at 10:58, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry if I continue this discussion of January but it may be interesting to
 share my experience had yesterday because I attended to a presentation of a
 young programmer suffering from low vision and color-blind and usual
 participant in http://globalaccessibilityawarenessday.org/gaad.html.

 It has been interesting because we experienced how is the life of a person
 studying and working in computer science but almost blind and we had the
 opportunity to be in his shoes.

 The first lesson learned is that blind (or almost blind) people use always
 a software of speech synthesis with a speed that makes the audio
 almost unintelligible
 for not experienced people. The operating system provides several tools for
 that including mobile OS.

 The second lesson is that this software of speech synthesis is crucial for
 them and they would set and control it. So forget the normal speed of audio
 that everyone of us is experienced to use.

 The third lesson is that a lot of them in general hears music with headset
 and have the speech synthesis always on, if there is a third vocal
 synthesis for them is more a problem than an advantage.

 The fourth lesson learned is that Wikipedia is for them a well done web
 site because the content is structured. It means that the Table of Content
 at the start (so neglected by some graphical reasons) is fundamental for
 them because they can easily jump in the section they need.

 No one knew that I am from a Wikimedia chapter except the organizers and I
 did several questions about Wikipedia because (I did not know it) it was
 presented as good example of website for speech synthesis.

 What can be improved, in my opinion it's only the semantic aspect of the
 Wikipedia, so pushing more the attention on the structure of the page, and
 the awareness that images are not useful for them. We must be aware that
 some tools used in Wikipedia, like Captcha, are a real obstacle for blind
 people, like stairs for people with wheelchairs.

 Regards



 On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:55 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:

  I guess I see this as making it easier for people to generate files to
 put
  on their ipod or for those with a limited ability to read who might not
  have figured out more complicated solutions. Those who are blind have
  likely already figured out good solutions. It is those of us who are
  sighted that need the help.
 
  I know that I personally would find such a button helpful. But through a
  great many steps I could likely figure out a work around. People prefer
  stuff that is simple.
 
  --
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  MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
 
  The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Priority languages

[Richard Symonds]

Milos,

The formatting has been stripped from the email because the list software
doesn't like HTML, so the table at the bottom is illegible. Is it available
elsewhere?

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On 27 May 2015 at 22:04, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:

 Below is the list of the languages sorted by the number of L2 speakers
 (more than one million of them).

 L2 speakers appear in two occasions:
 * First and important to us is about languages used for wider
 communication. For example, French is L2 among educated people of West
 Africa.
 * The second type is related to the native languages in not so good
 position (either dying or reviving). For example, English is L1 language of
 the most of Native Americans, as well as Russian is L1 language of the most
 of ethnicities of former Soviet Union, while their own languages are L2
 ones. (They are important in other cases, but not for this purpose.)

 I omitted English (there is no sense, as we are communicating in English
 and English is default for all the localization) and few spoken languages
 (our content is [mostly] written).

 I also removed some languages which belong to the second category (Irish
 Gaelic and Scots, for example), but it could be the case that some of the
 languages from the list belong to that category, as well (though I am
 pretty sure they don't).

 There are languages inside of this list with well developed Wikimedia
 projects and without particular need to promote work on Wikimedia projects
 among them: French, Spanish and German are the examples. There is no
 Russian inside of the list, as it's usually L1 language, as mentioned
 above, but it belongs to the category of the languages with well developed
 Wikimedia projects.

 There are also languages spoken in countries with low level of internet
 access and issues much more important than writing an encyclopedia, like
 Congo Swahili is. Those are the areas not yet ready even for the projects
 like OLPC is and we don't have a lot to do there.

 But there are a number of languages in between with active chapter(s) or
 user group(s) inside of relevant countries. Those languages should be the
 priority in promotion collaboration.

 They are: Arabic (Arabic user groups), Indonesian (WM ID), Hindi (WM IN),
 Urdu (Pakistani user group), Thai (Thailand UG), Bengali (WM BD), Zulu (WM
 ZA), Hausa (West African user groups), Xhosa (WM ZA), Afrikaans (WM ZA),
 Kannada (WM IN), Telugu (WM IN), Tsonga (WM ZA), Malay (WM ID and Malaysian
 Wikimedians), Marathi (WM IN).

 The priorities for those languages should include (but likely not limited
 to):
 * Translation of MediaWiki messages should be 100%.
 * Those languages should be priorities for every document which should be
 translated. For example, ongoing Board elections; but also various Meta
 pages.
 * We should have the pool of literate people in those languages for various
 purposes, not just for translation. For example, if we want to create
 projects in languages of Pakistan, we should have a number of literate Urdu
 speakers, willing to help newcomers speaking Urdu as their L2 language.

 Will be back with other languages-related data :)


 LanguageCodeL1 speakersL2 speakersStandard
 Arabicarb206,000,000246,000,000Mandarin
 Chinesecmn847,808,270178,000,000Indonesianind23,200,480140,000,000Hindihin
 260,333,620120,000,000Spanishspa398,931,84096,990,000Urduurd64,035,800

 94,000,000Frenchfra75,916,15087,000,000Thaitha20,396,93040,000,000Bengaliben

 189,261,20019,200,000Zuluzul11,969,10015,700,000Hausahau25,109,00015,000,000
 Xhosaxho8,177,30011,000,000Afrikaansafr7,096,81010,300,000Bamanankanbam
 4,072,04010,000,000Burmesemya32,035,30010,000,000Congo Swahiliswc1,000
 9,100,000Northern Sothonso4,631,0009,100,000Kannadakan37,739,0409,000,000
 Germandeu78,093,9808,000,000Tamiltam68,776,4608,000,000Juladyu2,550,000
 7,000,000Lingalalin2,141,3007,000,000Koongokng5,016,5005,000,000Telugutel
 74,049,0005,000,000Ibibioibb1,500,0004,500,000Tok Pisintpi122,0004,000,000
 Kriokri495,6004,000,000Amharicamh21,811,6004,000,000Bangalabxg~0
 3,500,000Tsongatso4,009,0003,400,000Malayzlm15,848,5003,000,000Marathimar

 71,780,6603,000,000Sinhalasin15,613,9802,000,000Efikefi405,2602,000,000Duala
 dua87,7002,000,000Yorubayor19,380,8002,000,000Shonasna10,741,7001,800,000
 Vendaven1,294,0001,700,000Sangosag404,0001,600,000Manado Malayxmm850,000
 1,500,000Sylhetisyl10,300,0001,500,000Ambonese

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of North Carolina Triangle Wikipedians User Group

[Richard Symonds]

Congratulations!

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On 27 May 2015 at 23:15, Raymond Leonard raymond.f.leonard...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Congratulations and welcome!

 Yours,
 Peaceray
 Cascadia Wikimedians User Group

 On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
 wrote:

  Dear all,
 
  On behalf of the Affiliations Committee, I am honored to announce the
  recognition [1] of a new User Group in the United States - the North
  Carolina Triangle Wikipedians. As their name implies, they are mostly
  active in the region known as the Research Triangle, or simply The
  Triangle. They have already organized activities in the region,
 especially
  at Duke and UNC related to MediaWiki, edit-a-thons and the Education
  Program. We'll see more of that in the near future :-)
 
  So please, let's welcome the newest member of the family of affiliates!
  Congrats!
 
  Regards,
  Carlos
 
  1:
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/North_Carolina_Triangle_Wikipedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_May_2015
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play?

[Richard Symonds]

I can see it at
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikimedia.commons but I
already have it installed.

Perhaps it's been removed from public view?

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On 15 April 2015 at 08:26, Nasir Khan nasir8...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I am interested to use by myself and encourage others to use the Wikimedia
 Commons Android App [1]. But the problem is, i could not find the app by
 searching at Google Play and it is not listed even under the apps developed
 by Wikimedia Foundation[2].

 Can anyone please tell me what i am doing wrong and what is the proper way
 to find the app form Google Play?

 Regards
 Nasir Khan

 [1] - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikimedia.commons
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

[Richard Symonds]

I know from experience that East St Louis is pretty cheap, and it's
centrally located. And the weather is almost as good as California, but
without the Hurricanes.

How do the WMF staff feel about moving to East St Louis? I imagine they
would be *thrilled*.

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On 8 April 2015 at 14:57, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote:

 (volunteer hat on)

 Glasgow to London in no way represents the scale of what any move,
 even an in-US move, would be, unless the goal is for the WMF to end up
 in LA or (maybe) Portland.

 I would agree that a multi-location setup would work better as a good
 expansion route here, although I'm not sure what that how that would
 work out internationally, in terms of legal liability. Even just
 having an east coast location in somewhere obvious (we have clusters
 of staff in, e.g., Boston, Raleigh and NY, albeit small clusters)
 would make a big difference.

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 8 April 2015 at 06:07, Aleksey Bilogur aleksey.bilo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  A logistical non-starter! They've got 200+ staff members, any gains
 to...
 
  Plenty of companies and charities happily move their HQ building
  location with more staff gaining benefits rather than losing them. I
  was involved with a corporate move where most staff went from London
  to Glasgow, with the benefit that their family and social lives
  improved and they could afford to buy large houses with the same money
  it takes to buy half a small flat in London. Presented the right way,
  a move can improve staff commitment and even reduce turnover.
 
  You also can't have it both ways, the WMF is supposed to be a
  multi-location global organization. Strategically it would be better
  to grow globally in several locations, rather than always having
  everyone in the same offices in the same city on the West Coast of
  America. Our staff and volunteers are highly experienced in virtual
  cooperation and meetings, the WMF could even become an exemplar for
  how that works for smaller organizations with global teams.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

[Richard Symonds]

I worry that encouraging people to do this to prove a political point could
be inappropriate. It's one thing to point out a potential privacy flaw, but
paying people to exploit it may be seen as a step too far.

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On 29 March 2015 at 23:25, Brian reflect...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm sure many of you recall the Netflix Prize
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflix_Prize. This is that, for Wikipedia!

 Although the initial goal of the Netflix Prize was to design a
 collaborative filtering algorithm, it became notorious when the data was
 used to de-anonymize Netflix users. Researchers proved that given just a
 user's movie ratings on one site, you can plug those ratings into another
 site, such as the IMDB. You can then take that information, and with some
 Google searches and optionally a bit of cash (for websites that sell user
 information, including, in some cases, their SSN) figure out who they are.
 You could even drive up to their house and take a selfie with them, or
 follow them to work and meet their boss and tell them about their views on
 the topics they were editing.

 Here, we'll cut straight to the privacy chase. Using just the full history
 dump of the English Wikipedia, excluding edits from any logged-in users,
 identify five people. You must confirm their identities with them, and
 privately prove to me that you've done this. I will then nominate you as
 the winner and send you one million Satoshis (the smallest unit of Bitcoin,
 times 1 million), in addition to updating this thread.

 I suspect this challenge will be very easy for anyone who is determined.
 Indeed, even if MediaWiki no longer displayed IP addresses, there would
 still be enough information to identify people. Completely getting rid of
 the edit history would largely solve the problem. In the mean time, this
 Prize will serve as a reminder that when Wikipedia says Your IP address
 will be publicly visible if you make any edits. what they mean is, People
 will probably be able to figure out where you live and embarrass you.

 An extra million Satoshis for each NSA employee that you identify. A full
 bitcoin if you take a selfie with them.

 Let the games begin!

 Brian Mingus
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

[Richard Symonds]

As Fae says, it's relatively easy to run low- or zero-cost editathons, and
we're not running out of volunteers who are happy to do it.

We might need to have a discussion, though, about how we're actually
gathering data from the editathons that happen independently of the WMF or
any thorgs. Do we gather that data? I assume it would be useful to gather!

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On 19 March 2015 at 12:19, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 This thread puzzles me. When I was the Chair of a certain chapter, I
 recall a strategy meeting where I was the only participant who did not
 put fund raising as a 9/10 priority, I set it as merely 5/10. I
 guess it is in this area of money and branding that world-views are
 conflicting.

 When we first coined the word editathon the working model was that
 they were open events run at *zero cost* (we had no staff and
 insignificant funds). Later we started providing a free buffet, paying
 expenses for trained helpers and some others, and a couple years
 after that it started to become impossible to organize an editathon
 without first having an employee agreeing it, being required to use
 official feedback forms and committing to making event reports to help
 with future funding.

 Basic facts:
 * Unpaid volunteer editathon participants do not need travel costs,
 they should be local people who can get on a local bus, and do not
 need to travel hundreds of miles.
 * Editathons work well when attendees can buy their own food from a
 local cafe or expect a social event afterwards where they pay their
 own costs. Frequently the hosting institution provides drinks and
 sandwiches for free.
 * Editathons work perfectly well without incurring employee costs
 (this is why editathons work in countries where there are no Wikimedia
 employees). Volunteers who know enough about Wikimedia projects to get
 a geonotice approved and discuss the event in advance on relevant
 wikiproject noticeboards or email lists do not need, nor even ask for,
 funds.
 * The world is stuffed with free venues and institutions looking to
 support open knowledge. I had several organizations spontaneously
 offer me top class venues in the UK, so long as I could get a handful
 of keen editors to commit to coming. We are not even close to running
 out of goodwill of this type.

 Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

[Richard Symonds]

Just to back up what Jonathan said: WMUK don't have a veto power, and we
don't give expenses to every volunteer who attends - although we do offer
expenses to key volunteers (eg trainers) if they otherwise can't attend. An
example of this would be sending a female volunteer to a WikiWomen event -
having a only male volunteers attend would be inappropriate!

Employees *emphatically* don't need to agree to editathons happening - that
would, as Marc says, be wrong*. *The claim that that is the case is untrue
and if one of our volunteers feels that, then please get in touch with us
(or with me privately on Facebook!) and we'll try and work out what's
happened.

We do (I'll admit) need to know in advance if we need to book sandwiches
(for example) or if people need to loan laptops, mobile wifi hubs, cameras
- or support equipment like hearing loops.

Although I haven't always agreed with Oliver in the past, Oliver: your
comments are spot on. People who can't afford a lunch out
whenever they want is a big demographic, and it's important that the cost
of supporting less visible demographics doesn't dissuade us from doing so.
Outreach to some communities is hard - very hard - but is worth it even if
incurs an additional cost.

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operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

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On 19 March 2015 at 15:49, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Wikimedia UK certainly doesn't have a veto power on editathon's in the UK,
 we do try to coordinate in order to minimise clashes, but all we can do
 there is to request that people not have multiple editathons in the same
 city on the same day.  There are things that we have that make editathon's
 easier to do or more inclusive - trained trainers, spare laptops, mobile
 Wifi and a hearing loop for starters, though the price for that support is
 that we do need to collect data for metrics. When someone independently
 organises an event in the UK we are likely to get in touch and offer spare
 laptops and other support.

 Spare laptops in particular are very frequently used at UK editathons, and
 I believe bring a laptop or book one of ours is a much more inclusive way
 to run an event. Than bring a laptop, and when someone discovers that
 they don't have a power lead or they weren't given the password for the
 laptop they brought it is really nice to be able to just hand them a
 laptop. So I always try to have one more than was ordered.

 Regards

 Jonathan Cardy

 GLAM Organiser Wikimedia UK

  after that it started to become impossible to organize an editathon
  without first having an employee agreeing it

 That seems...  wrong.

 For one, that experience may be WMUK's but it's certainly far from
 universal.  WMCA organizes monthly editathons in Montréal, at the very
 least, at zero cost.  (They are organized/moderated by volunteers and
 the venue is provided at no cost by the Bibilothèque et Archive
 Nationale du Québec).  I've never attended, but I'm told that they are
 fairly popular and well-liked.

 If WMUK /chose/ do have a more structured (and more expensive) framework
 to organize similar events themselves, it in no way prevents volunteers
 or other organisms to do so without a penny of Foundation (or chapter)
 funding.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

[Richard Symonds]

I worry that running an auction and a raffle for each - or even some -
editathons would be a lot of work, even if you just focus on the admin work
(I'm not sure what the laws around fundraising auctions and lotteries are
but that could be costly too). The FDC and the community in general are
very much against increasing 'back office costs' and this would increase
them by quite a bit for each editathon.

The incentivising volunteers with money issue would also be very very
difficult, even if the community was ok with it. You'd be paying
volunteers, which in this country would make them staff, which means they'd
need a minimum wage, taxes, and even a pension.

Do we need to incentivise volunteers with cash at all? I'm not sure we
do... there's no shortage of volunteers to run editathons in the UK at
least!
On 19 Mar 2015 00:54, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:

 I really like editathons because of the ease with which they can be
 designed to address systemic bias, but I'm not sure having them supported
 by the Foundation is optimal from the perspective of time and money both.

 Therefore, I propose that someone try some editathons where half the
 tickets are auctioned, the other half are raffled, and the Foundation pays
 to support them if and only if the auction fails to pay all of the expenses
 in advance, and then only the difference. This will allow them to become
 more exclusive, but not completely exclusive, and it will incentivize the
 organizing wikipedians by allowing them to pay themselves some contingent
 portion of the proceeds to be negotiated with the Foundation, and which
 could, for example, include an open-ended proportion of auction proceeds.

 Please share your thoughts on this proposal. I am also making diagrams for
 nine of the twelve steps listed on
 http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Accuracy_review
 and its talk page, where I will soon be proposing a different alternate
 funding model to avoid relying on Google Summer of Code. I would also be
 most interested in comments on that. Thank you!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France travel policy Learning patterns

[Richard Symonds]

Not with WMUK. most of our reimbursements are travel-related, but they fall
under the expense policy as the others do.

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On 10 March 2015 at 12:43, Kirill Lokshin kirill.loks...@gmail.com wrote:

 Indeed, this is all very interesting material; thank you everyone for
 taking the time to share it.

 Wikimedia DC has separate expense reimbursement (
 http://wikimediadc.org/wiki/Expense_reimbursement_policy) and travel (
 http://wikimediadc.org/wiki/Travel_policy) policies.  I wonder if this is
 more common in chapters that primarily deal with non-travel reimbursements,
 versus a combined policy in chapters that mainly have travel-related ones?

 Kirill

 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Josh Lim jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  This is great, Emeric!  We’d be glad to take a look at this. :)
 
  For our part, Wikimedia Philippines has a travel policy as part of our
  Expense Policy, and it’s been working well for us for the last 3-4 years
  now.  We’ll be glad to share our policy as well.
 
  http://www.wikimedia.org.ph/wmph/Expense_Policy#A._Travel_expenses
 
  Regards,
 
  Josh
 
   Wiadomość napisana przez Emeric Vallespi emeric.valle...@wikimedia.fr
 
  w dniu 9 mar 2015, o godz. 16:49:
  
   Dear movement fellows,
  
   After our Board handbook, we are pleased to share with you the
   Wikimédia France Travel policy (this time, in French and English!):
  
   (en)
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Politique_de_voyage/en
   (fr)
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Politique_de_voyage
  
   This document is the compilation and formalization of our expenses
   reimbursement's practices for several years.
   The main goal of this formalization is to clarify, for our various
   stakeholders in the organization, the expenses which can be reimbursed,
   the amounts, the conditions and the process.
   And because it's clearer we think that it's going to facilitate the
   volunteers involvement. Indeed, by knowing in advance if expenses can
 be
   covered, we are hoping that volunteers will take more initiatives to do
   projects, even if there is a cost.
   Of course, it facilitates the work of our treasurers and executive
   director who deal with the approval of expenses requests/reports,
   because the commons cases are anticipated in the policy, and now they
   have to intervene only for specific cases, which are less frequent.
  
   It is also ensuring a healthier governance: it clarifies the process of
   escalation if needed and it provides fairness for every requests'
  answers.
   Besides it allowed to define consensually the frame of reimbursements
   with different stakeholders.
  
   As it might be useful for other entities, we shared in a Learning
   Patternswhy we think it's useful for us to have this policy,what
   problems it solves and how we have solved them:
  
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Learning_patterns/Travel_policy_−_defining_travel_support_conditions_to_further_volunteer_involvement
   Moreover, we did an unofficial translation of the policy (link above)
   to ease your feedback possibilities about this policy, about the
 process
   we followed or to be inspired by if you are thinking about such an
   initiative of document in your organization.
  
   Feel free to ask any questions or make suggestions of improvement.
   Cheers,
   --
   Emeric Vallespi
   Vice President
  
   Wikimédia France
   www.wikimedia.fr | Twitter: @Wikimedia_Fr
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] EU copyright rules are maladapted to the increase of cross-border cultural exchange on the web

[Richard Symonds]

I have replied to Carcharoth off-list :-)

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On 3 March 2015 at 00:22, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I'm new to this mailing list (mainly active on en-Wikipedia over the
 past ten years or so), so apologies if this is not the right place to
 ask this.

 I've been catching up with posts to this mailing list since I started
 subscribing back in December 2014, and this thread on proposed changes
 to the EU copyright rules is one that I'd like to follow up on and
 find out what progress has been made and what the Wikimedia movement
 and individuals can do to help. I'd be particularly interested in
 whether it might be possible for changes to be made to the Freedom of
 Panorama restrictions, which is one of the things that would really
 help with some of the topics I work on over at Commons (mainly images
 of war memorials in France). If changes were possible, what sort of
 timescale would we be looking at? Several years at least?

 Carcharoth

 On 1/22/15, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
  Cristian Consonni, 22/01/2015 02:29:
  A shorter version with the most important points is the press release:
  [2]https://juliareda.eu/2015/01/press-release-eu-copyright-report/
 
  There's also a short summary at
 
 http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2015/01/breaking-news-pirate-party-mep-julia.html
  And at https://www.discuto.io/en/consultation/6240 everyone can comment
  and make proposals for the EU parliament committee.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland's new Executive Director will be Christian Rickerts

[Richard Symonds]

All of us at Wikimedia UK bid you welcome to the movement, Christian!

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On 2 March 2015 at 09:00, Tim Moritz Hector tim-moritz.hec...@wikimedia.de
wrote:

 Dear Wikimedia friends,

 On behalf of our board, I am delighted to announce that Christian Rickerts
 will be the new Executive Director of Wikimedia Deutschland. The board
 followed the transition team’s unanimous recommendation and hired Christian
 effective May 1, 2015.

 Wikimedia Deutschland is shaped by the work of volunteers as well as paid
 professionals. Christian Rickerts comes with experience from both
 perspectives. In 1995, he co-founded Schüler Helfen Leben e. V., a
 non-profit association that promotes equal access to education for children
 and young people in the Balkans. Later, he served as the association’s
 first Executive Director and led the Schüler Helfen Leben Foundation. After
 that, he worked in the for-profit as well as the non-profit sector, first
 as a consultant for strategy and organizational development at Capgemini,
 then as the Executive Director of the German section of Reporters Without
 Borders. Since 2012, he has been Vice President Corporate Communication at
 the Bertelsmann Stiftung, the largest privately held non-profit foundation
 in Germany.

 Christian’s profound knowledge of the intersection between voluntary and
 paid work as well as his value-driven thinking and methodological diversity
 have deeply impressed us. We are thrilled to get him on board and to shape
 Wikimedia Deutschland’s future together. Christian is highly motivated to
 join the Wikimedia movement. We are confident that he is the perfect fit
 for the role of the Executive Director.

 Jan Engelmann will continue to be our interim ED until May. On behalf of
 the board, I would like to express my gratitude for his outstanding
 efforts. A huge thank you goes to the transition team[1], which has
 planned, led, and brought this collaborative process to a successful close
 within eight months. The team was constituted in June 2014, composed of
 members of our board as well as representatives of our staff, our members
 and the German Wikimedia community. The work of the team has been
 straightforward and exceptional. We are convinced that their experience is
 highly valuable for the broader movement. Therefore, the team is planning
 to share their insights and learnings at the upcoming Wikimedia Conference.

 Starting in May, you will have the chance to join us in providing Christian
 with a warm welcome to the Wikiverse. Many of you will meet Christian at
 the Wikimedia Conference in May. He is also planning to attend Wikimania in
 July.

 Best regards,
 Tim Moritz Hector

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Its not goodbye, but au revoir

[Richard Symonds]

Pavel,

On behalf of all at Wikimedia UK - including Jon, our old Chief Executive
whom I know you had a good relationship with - we're sorry to see you go.

I hope we'll still see you online!

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 ​Dear Pavel,
 Best wishes, and best of luck!​

 On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Katy Love kl...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  Warm wishes, and best of luck!





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there some Wikimedia project to host contents based on original research?

[Richard Symonds]

This sounds like a Wikisource idea - do we have any wikisourcerers who can
give their thoughts?

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On 5 January 2015 at 13:30, Sucheta Ghoshal sucheta.ghos...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi all,

 A few of my friends and I have been planning to document the history of
 counterculture in Bengali art and literature. These friends are also
 working in that domain professionally, and have access to a huge repository
 of texts, images, and other relevant details that they are willing to make
 available digitally in the form of free contents. We wish to have the
 contents as wikis, and, pictures and video snippets that might be involved
 - as properly licensed free materials. Now, the concern is if there is some
 Wikimedia Project that would host contents that are based on such an
 enormous amount of original research. Wikipedia is certainly not the
 appropriate place. And, as there exist no earlier works on this particular
 domain on the internet, references would be negligible. I was thinking
 about Wikibooks, instead. I am not entirely sure if that fits either, but I
 assume it fits better than Wikipedia, at least. The last option is to host
 it ourselves with the MediaWiki setup, and I am considering it very much.
 But, the idea essentially is to make people edit and enrich it with as much
 inputs as possible. It would be really helpful, in that case, if it could
 be placed in one of the Wikimedia projects. Suggestions, of every kind,
 would be deeply appreciated.

 Best,
 Sucheta
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France board handbook

[Richard Symonds]

Fantastic. Good to see another organisation making the sometimes difficult
transition to a strategic board!

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On 9 December 2014 at 16:29, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you for sharing and also the history of its development.

 It's inspiring to see the hard work that you all put into developing this
 important document.

 Sydney Poore
 User:FloNight
 Member of FDC

 Sydney Poore
 User:FloNight
 Wikipedian in Residence
 at Cochrane Collaboration

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Jean-Frédéric Berthelot 
 jean-frederic.berthe...@wikimedia.fr wrote:

  Dear movement fellows,
 
  tl;dr
 
  Please find on Meta the Wikimédia France board handbook (in French)
  
 
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Guide_du_conseil_d%27administration
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Guide_du_conseil_d%27administration
  
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Guide_du_conseil_d%27administration
 
  
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Guide_du_conseil_d%27administration
  
  
 
  == Long story ==
 
  Wikimédia France is moving forward with its continuous improvement
 process
  and wishes for an adapted governance. After revising our organizational
  structure [0], and putting in place the systematic evaluation of our
  programs [1], we do not want that governance becomes the limiting factor
 of
  our improvement.
 
  Since the hiring of our Executive Director who leads all staff, we were
  aware that the board  tasks and processes had to evolve. That meant no
 more
  micro-management or operational stuff (except for certain board roles)
  and focus on strategy.
 
  To that effect, at the occasion of our previous General Assembly, the
 board
  drafted a board handbook [2], heavily inspired by the Wikimedia
 Foundation
  one (thanks for sharing!)
 
  The goal was to make sure every current member of the Board had the same
  vision of our governance, and to ensure that applicants for the Board
 have
  a good vision of what it means to be on the Board (expectations, posture,
  do's  don'ts, ...) - like a shareholders' agreement.
 
  This shared version is our first iteration as we anticipate to complete,
 or
  adapt, this document according to our governance's evolution. It is
  relatively specific to our self-identified strengths and weaknesses. We
  also think that it is closely linked to our structure, our background and
  local context (relation with our ED, local labour law...).
 
  But despite all these specificities, we have (or will have) similar
 stages
  of development and governance issues: that's why we share with you this
  Handbook, with the hope that the initiative or the contents can be
 useful
  for you - even if it's in French.
 
  == Process ==
 
  The handbook writing was led by Émeric Vallespi, supported by the rest of
  the board. It was then shared with a restricted circle where we gathered
  input from 6 former board members, with almost 100 comments. We then
  communicated the document to our members before the General Assembly, and
  finally published it on Meta where it joined the Austrian Kodex in
  [[Category:Governance]]. Sharing is caring :)
 
  [0] 
 
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikimédia_France/Proposal_form/Organisational_structure
  
  [1] 
 
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikimédia_France/Proposal_form/Quality_approach
  
  [2] 
 
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Guide_du_conseil_d%27administration
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Guide_du_conseil_d%27administration
  
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Guide_du_conseil_d%27administration
 
  
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Guide_du_conseil_d%27administration
  
  
  
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Guide_du_conseil_d%27administration
  
 
  If you have any questions, feel free to shoot them to Émeric ;-)
 
  Cheers,
  --
  Jean-Frédéric
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banner interfering with Google results

[Richard Symonds]

Thanks for the thorough updates Erik :-)
On 7 Dec 2014 23:11, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I can confirm that my edit to
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushuaia_%E2%80%93_Malvinas_Argentinas_International_Airport
  has now fixed the issue in Google search as it relates to that article,
 but
  the issue still remains on 8,600,000 articles (up from 8,540,000 articles
  yesterday).

 site:wikipedia.org Dear Wikipedia readers produces 936,000 results
 for me. Please note that Google uses a distributed index, and
 depending where you are geographically, and where Google sends you
 based on server load, you will get inconsistent results from query to
 query. See this paper for a bit more detail on how these index
 inconsistencies manifest:

 http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~snoeren/papers/bobble-pam14.pdf

 Pages we know to have been re-crawled don't exhibit the issue, so it
 should be only a matter of time for the index to catch up. Please also
 note that the text being in the index does not automatically mean that
 it will show up in a typical search. Any search for the phrase itself
 will highlight it in the snippet (extract) shown in the search result
 page as a match, while a typical search will not include the phrase
 and will much less frequently identify the text to be a good match for
 the user's search query, mitigating global user impact significantly.
 We'd still like to resolve this completely as quickly as possible, of
 course.

 Erik
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

[Richard Symonds]

I don't know, Chris, but I suspect you'll tell us...

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On 4 December 2014 at 17:06, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Which cheese do you use to coax a bear up a mountain?

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin 
 pierre.beaudo...@wikimedia.fr wrote:

 
 
  Le 2014-12-04 14:57, Martijn Hoekstra a écrit :
 
   On Dec 4, 2014 2:46 PM, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   Thanks again, I tried to remain brie-f 2014-12-03 18:06 GMT+00:00
  Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com: 110% !!! We bleu our
  first goal. Christophe, whether you are posting out of love for this
  awesome project
 
  or
 
   just for the sake of making puns, I cantal.
 
  A little humor on this thread may annoy some, but it's really a Brie of
  fresh air to me.
 
  Let's be serious. Sweet dreams are made of cheese. Who am I to diss a
  brie. I cheddar the world  the feta cheese. Everybody's looking for
  Stilton...
 
  Pyb
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

[Richard Symonds]

Lincolnshire Poacher isn't just a cheese OR a pig...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire_Poacher_(numbers_station)

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On 29 November 2014 at 17:35, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 British cheese is better than its reputation suggests, if you know where to
 look. However British cheeses are difficult to distinguish from British
 breeds of pig. Gloucester Old Spot, Lincolnshire Poacher, Oxford Sandy and
 Black, Balcombe Brown Ring, Yarg, Mangalitsa - can you tell which is a pig
 and which is a cheese without looking it up in a popular online
 encyclopedia? I think not. :)

 On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  This is the best OT in wikimedia-l ever.
 
  Aubrey
 
  On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Pierre-Selim ps.hu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   I recommend Trappist Rochefort 10, and gulden draak ;)
  
   Pierre-Selim
 Message d'origine
   De: Romaine Wiki
   Envoyé: samedi 29 novembre 2014 11:46
   À: Wikimedia Mailing List
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   Objet: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding -
   Let's photograph 'em all
  
   PS: I can recommend the beers: Kriek, Framboise, Peche, and some more.
  But
   it is recommend to drink these in Brussels to experience the region
 where
   it belongs to.
  
   In London I can recommend a Honey Dew!
  
  
  
  
   2014-11-29 11:44 GMT+01:00 Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com:
  
I vote for Brussels  beer, I tasted them the past weeks and it asks
  for
more.
   
The day before yesterday I heard that some beers from Brussels are
   typical
Brussels as the region has a special local micro climate.
   
But I must say, I think it is good to document cheese, as well as
 other
food/drinks, we should have more photos with better quality. I really
   hope
this contributes to this.
   
Romaine
   
2014-11-28 10:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com:
   
Me too me too!
But before, Brussels on beer.
   
Aubrey
   
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Craig Franklin 
cfrank...@halonetwork.net
wrote:
   
 Forget that, I'd like WMUK to fly me to Scotland so that I can,
 uh,
 research and write about various types of whisky.

 Cheers,
 Craig

 On 25 November 2014 at 18:59, Jon Davies 
  jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk
   
 wrote:

  And next the wine project? Count me in.
 
  On 24 November 2014 at 18:22, Christophe Henner 
  christophe.hen...@gmail.com
   wrote:
 
   Good news everyone,
  
   Cheese articles are gonna get improved!
  
   As french, it was dreadful for us to see so few illustrations
 of
cheese
  on
   Wikipedia. This is about to change.
  
   A group of french Wikimedians, lead by Pierre-Yves Beaudouin,
designed
 a
   project to photograph many cheeses, up to 200 for the moment.
  
   This project is perticular as we aim to have it found through
 a
french
   crowdfunding platform, KissKissBankBank.
  
   Of course Wikimedia France could have funded it itself, but we
wanted
 to
   use the project as a way to get the larger audience aware of
  their
  ability
   to contribute and to give a fun image of contributing.
  
   The project in few words iss follow :
   * 10 cheeses per session
   * During the session the cheeses are photographed and their
   articles
   improved
   * During the sessions experimented wikimedian would train new
editors
   * At every session every participant would enjoy eating good
   cheese
too
  
   If you want to read more, or even contribute, about the
 project
   you
can
  go
   on KissKissBankBank :
   http://www.kisskissbankbank.com/fr/projects/wikicheese
  
  
   If you have any questions, please feel free to shoot them on
 or
   off
 list.
  
   All the best,
  
   --
   Christophe
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

[Richard Symonds]

Wensleydale, you mean
On 26 Nov 2014 17:57, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 What, with Cheddar, Red Leicester, Stilton, and other superior cheeses?

 G, D  R
 On Nov 25, 2014 4:35 PM, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin 
 pierre.beaudo...@wikimedia.fr wrote:

  We started an English version of the campaign [1]
 
  --
  Pyb
 
  Links:
  --
  [1] http://www.kisskissbankbank.com/en/projects/wikicheese
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

[Richard Symonds]

Hi Balazs,

This, while at first glance a credible idea, wouldn't work for a number of
reasons:

   - it misunderstands how major accounting firms work. Even if one
   accounting group carried out the work, the people doing the work would be
   the local accounting firms (eg KPMG Hungary, KPMG UK). These firms would
   have different methodologies and practices.
   - Some chapters, including WMUK, have a legal responsibility to be
   independent. Having someone else report our finances would jeopardise that
   independence.
   - Bigger chapters - and some smaller ones - already have established
   reporting procedures and practices, which in some cases are better than the
   WMF's systems. It would be extremely difficult to update our systems from
   our own, to WMF-led ones.
   - There would still be delays and errors in reporting - and the dates
   would still change because each country has different tax years (etc).
   - Every organisation measures things differently - we all have different
   cost centres, nominal codes, departments etc - having the WMF come in and
   change them would be very difficult and would run the risk of some
   organisations losing accuracy in their reporting (or would run the risk of
   having a massively complex system to account for everything). At its
   simplest level, definitions of things like governance or office costs
   vary from country to country. For example, in WMUK, we count general
   postage of letters as office costs, but items that fall under the Royal
   Mail definition of parcels instead come out of the budget for a project. If
   you're to have the same reporting for every country, you need to all be
   using the same definition of parcel!
   - Finally, every organisation's goals are different - and indeed our
   funding streams are different. WMUK is mostly funded from outside the
   movement, and as a result we are able to use our resources to fund
   non-Wikimedia projects - for example, OpenStreetMap, or OpenCorporates, if
   we wanted to. We can even fund political lobbying to a fair degree, which
   is something the WMF can't do as easily. This means that the WMF has no
   interest in counting that expenditure, because lobbying for open knowledge
   is not a WMF goal in the same way that it's a WMUK goal. It would be funded
   without using WMF funds, and would be spent on non-WMF goals.

Very complicated, and I'm sorry to write such a long email, but
standardising financial systems across continents is a very difficult thing
to do!

All the best,

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On 21 November 2014 11:38, Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu
wrote:

 Hmm...I would love to *outsource *financial reporting to WMF together with
 a couple of other tasks as well (program evaluation for example).

 Imo the best would be to contact our (that is WM Hungary) accountant
 directly so they can get the data organized as wanted, on time, with
 explanations requested, etc.

 In long terms I would love to see a global contract with KPMG (as WMF is
 using them, or another of the big four) where KPMG (or an alternative firm
 if not present there) would take this task over from local chapters.

 That would ensure that the data is collected the exact same way (with same
 definitions and methodology used) in every single country, without delays
 or errors in reporting and on the best dates for WMF.

 Not to mention that it would decrease the workload of the chapters what I
 think barely if ever happened yet.

 Balazs
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK and the Science Museum Late

[Richard Symonds]

Forwarding to Wikimedia-l - Wikimedia UK are looking for volunteers in the
UK to help with a prestigious - and rather fun - event at the Science
Museum in London. There are all sorts of things to get involved with, from
helping with video and audio, to talking to people about the Wikimedia
projects, helping folks photograph the brand new Information Age gallery
for Commons or helping people record their voice for Wikipedia.

More details, including sign-ups, can be seen here -
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Science_Museum_Late

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-- Forwarded message --
From: Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
Date: 14 November 2014 11:24
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK and the Science Museum Late
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hello everyone,

Just under two weeks to go until the Science Museum Lates event on
Wednesday 26 November. We are still looking for more volunteers to help out
at what will be a fun, lively and unusual event.

There are all sorts of things to get involved with, from helping with video
and audio, to talking to people about the Wikimedia projects, helping folks
photograph the brand new Information Age gallery for Commons or helping
people record their voice for Wikipedia.

More details, including sign-ups, can be seen here -
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Science_Museum_Late

Thanks and regards,

Stevie

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedians of Bulgaria User Group

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Congratulations to Bulgaria! How do we get in touch with you?

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On 12 November 2014 19:49, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great :-)

 2014-11-12 17:47 GMT+01:00 Tanvir Rahman wikitan...@gmail.com:
  Dear all,
 
  It is our pleasure to announce of the recognition [1] of the Wikimedians
 of
  Bulgaria User Group. Bulgarian User Group will be an important part of
 the
  Wikimedia Central and Eastern Europe.
 
  I would like to thank the fellow Bulgarian Wikimedians for their hard
 work
  over the years. They have several projects running and a significant
 number
  of talented contributors to those projects. We hope that they will
 continue
  their hard work actively so we will get more contributors as well as
  initiatives to make knowledge free and easily accessible in Bulgaria.
 
  Please join us to give them a warm welcome!
 
  Tanvir
 
  [1]
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/ResolutionsWikimedians_of_Bulgaria_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_November_2014
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

[Richard Symonds]

Thanks for the replies. They've calmed my fears a fair bit, but I'm still a
little concerned - even simple questions like* of your administrative
costs, **how much were your travel costs* don't really make a lot of sense
to us, because some of our travel costs aren't administrative - and we
don't track administrative expenditure because that term isn't a
definition we use, and it's not clearly defined.

This is why we've been having trouble with understanding some
Grantmaking/FDC reports in the past - our method of reporting our financial
information differs from the way that teams at the WMF would like it to be
presented, because our key definitions differ (not to criticise the
grantmaking team, who are very helpful in this regard!)

I think that this project is trying to fix these problems, and it's a
commendable effort - but:

   1. Your team can't create entirely new definitions for organisations to
   report to (because we simply can't afford to increase our finance team to
   report to another definition - we already report to three different
   definitions). There is very little appetite in the movement for bigger or
   more professional finance teams and any big changes to reporting
   requirements simply won't be possible without more resources going that way.
   2. Your team may not be able to get all the information they need from
   participants because participants are simply too busy - in which case, the
   results of the report will go ahead and be used by the movement even though
   it may not be accurate or indeed fit for purpose. If the FDC process then
   goes ahead and uses the report outcomes to ask for financial information,
   then it means that the inaccurate report will have a direct effect on the
   metrics we're marked against, and thus a direct effect on movement funding.
   3. As WMUK, I fear that the less effort we put into involving ourselves
   in the process, the greater the chance that the final outcome will be a
   poor one for us. This in turn means that this actually has to be something
   that WMUK put a fair amount of effort into influencing, to ensure that our
   views are listened to and that the final report is something we can
   actually report against! I worry about how smaller chapters, like Ghana,
   Ukraine or Hungary - or the fledgling user groups - will manage, if the
   final definitions don't reflect their views at all.
   4. You say that if an organisation can't give your team the information
   they want, a phrase will appear in the final report along the lines of
   there are concerns about the quality of the data provided by Wikimedia
   UK... which won't be true, and will be read into by the community as WMUK
   has been audited and found wanting!
   5. The report is intended to make data* consistent, meaningful and
   comparable among the chapters, thematic organizations, and the
Foundation *-
   a laudable goal and one I fully support - but it appears that the
   Foundation aren't being consulted by the Finance Fellows at all. Where will
   their views and date be taken into account - will they be using the same
   process as everyone else, or a different process? I am not a cynic and I
   don't think that the WMF will use this process to dictate what reporting
   requirements should be, but I do worry that unless the WMF go through the
   same process, the end result will be relatively easy for the WMF teams to
   accomplish and rather harder for the rest of us! This increases our
   back-office costs and makes thorgs appear less efficient when that won't
   necessarily be the case.

I trust the team - they are a group of keen, young, idealistic people - and
I know that this is going to be done in good faith, but I don't see how it
can be done fairly without a lot of work from the organisations involved -
if they don't get involved, their views won't be reflected.

In order for this to be successful, his has to be a* team effort*, from all
the financial and project teams (and individuals!) across the world, and at
present it isn't - and given that this is the first the rest of the
movement has heard of the report, it will be very difficult for the rest of
us to help at such short notice.

I really, really appreciate what you're doing - but I want to be part of
this endeavour, and I hope you see my worries!

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

On 31 October 2014 20:46, Michael Guss mg...@wikimedia.org wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

[Richard Symonds]

You're right Sydney - not all of them are going to happen. They're worries
- hypothetical worries in some cases - but they impact directly on the work
I do and it would be wrong of me to not raise them.

In answer to your other points:

   - You are right that the alternative of not doing anything or putting it
   off seems worse. It *is* worse to not do anything. Indeed, this is
   something I've wanted to do for years (I simply haven't had the time) and I
   am 100% behind it happening. It is sensible and I will do everything I can
   to support it.
   - However, when you say a group of people taking a run at sorting this
   out seems like a good first approach - it is a good first approach, but I
   worry that the first approach will become the only approach, and that the
   results will be used even if they're too rough to use. This is a huge
   task and it needs to be right or it runs the risk of damaging the movement.
   - I don't think this should be done by a formal group of representatives
   - in my experience committees aren't an amazing way of doing things like
   this. The team who have been put together seem to be bright young things
   and I have no doubt that they will do the best job they can - but I think
   that the first version can be improved with a lot more buy-in from the rest
   of the movement :-)


Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

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Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

On 4 November 2014 19:03, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote:

 Richard, I appreciate your view and understand your concerns. But even if
 all of your worries are true, which I'm not sure is the case, the
 alternative of not doing anything or putting it off seems worse. A group of
 people taking a run at sorting this out seems like a good first approach.

 And an alternative approach of having all of this work be done by a formal
 group of representatives of chapters/thematic organizations with the
 assistance a WMF staff like the Fiance Fellows doesn't really seem to
 answer the concerns that you raise. And in fact puts more of a burden on
 the groups.

 Sydney

 Sydney Poore
 User:FloNight
 Wikipedian in Residence
 at Cochrane Collaboration

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  Thanks for the replies. They've calmed my fears a fair bit, but I'm
 still a
  little concerned - even simple questions like* of your administrative
  costs, **how much were your travel costs* don't really make a lot of
 sense
  to us, because some of our travel costs aren't administrative - and we
  don't track administrative expenditure because that term isn't a
  definition we use, and it's not clearly defined.
 
  This is why we've been having trouble with understanding some
  Grantmaking/FDC reports in the past - our method of reporting our
 financial
  information differs from the way that teams at the WMF would like it to
 be
  presented, because our key definitions differ (not to criticise the
  grantmaking team, who are very helpful in this regard!)
 
  I think that this project is trying to fix these problems, and it's a
  commendable effort - but:
 
 1. Your team can't create entirely new definitions for organisations
 to
 report to (because we simply can't afford to increase our finance team
  to
 report to another definition - we already report to three different
 definitions). There is very little appetite in the movement for bigger
  or
 more professional finance teams and any big changes to reporting
 requirements simply won't be possible without more resources going
 that
  way.
 2. Your team may not be able to get all the information they need from
 participants because participants are simply too busy - in which case,
  the
 results of the report will go ahead and be used by the movement even
  though
 it may not be accurate or indeed fit for purpose. If the FDC process
  then
 goes ahead and uses the report outcomes to ask for financial
  information,
 then it means that the inaccurate report will have a direct effect on
  the
 metrics we're marked against, and thus a direct effect on movement
  funding.
 3. As WMUK, I fear that the less effort we put into involving
 ourselves
 in the process, the greater the chance that the final outcome will be
 a
 poor one for us. This in turn means that this actually has to be
  something
 that WMUK put a fair amount of effort into influencing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

[Richard Symonds]

Hi Michael!

This is a bit of a surprise, if I am honest! I applaud the idea but it has
come out of the blue and I worry that this extra layer of reporting will
increase overheads here - when our overheads are already under scrutiny. I
have a few preliminary questions:

   - Do you have an idea of how much work will be required by movement orgs
   for this? I worry that your ideal target of 20 January won't be met, as we
   don't have the resources to help you revalidate your data at that point of
   our year. December is difficult, as the FDC figures are released then -
   which is when we need to construct our final budget for next year.
   January/February is also difficult, as all our staff are already pre-booked
   working on our financial year end at 31 January - which is also an FDC
   quarter end - so there's a lot of work to be done!
   - Has anyone contacted movement orgs already, perhaps a few months ago?
   If so, I think I've missed the communication - could you resend it to me?
   - Will you need to talk to treasurers? If so, please let us know as far
   in advance as you can so we can book dates for meetings!
   - What happens if movement orgs do not have time to check your data?
   Will you go ahead with unvalidated data in your report, or will you be
   able to move your timeline to fit in with ours?
   - How much input will chapters have in the process? Who will have the
   final say in the comparisons - presumably the WMF?

All the best,

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

On 29 October 2014 23:15, Michael Guss mg...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi folks,

 We are the Finance Fellows, a multicultural team consisting of 4 young
 professionals. We are happy to introduce a 6-month movement-wide project
 that focuses on the consistency of how we operate, which is explained
 further in this announcement.

 *But here's some information about us*:

 Arda [User:Melmas_(WMF)] 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Melmas_(WMF) is
 from Turkey. He holds a BA in Economics.


 Lene [User:Lgillis_(WMF)]
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lgillis_(WMF) is from Belgium. She
 holds a Master's degree in Applied Economics and a Master's degree in
 Business Communication.

 Seyi [User:Oolukoya_(WMF)]
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Oolukoya_(WMF) is from Nigeria. She
 holds a Master's in International Business and a BSc in Economics.

 Walter [User:Wagsegura_(WMF)]
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Wagsegura_(WMF) is from Nicaragua.
 He holds a BA in Applied Economics.

 *About the project Movement-wide financial report*

 Driven by the Wikimedia Foundation's guiding principles of transparency and
 accountability, our goal is to gather data and develop systematic metrics
 in order to provide a better understanding of financial statements. The aim
 is to help make financial data and statements more consistent and
 comparable across all Wikimedia Chapters, Thematic Organizations, and the
 Wikimedia Foundation, to the benefit of the whole movement.

 The idea of this project comes from the WMF Board of Trustee's Audit
 Committee and is supported by the Wikimedia Foundation. An initial
 quantitative
 analysis of Wikimedia Chapters and Thematic Organizations
 https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Chapters_in_Numbers
 demonstrated
 at Wikimania 2013 by Michal Buczyński (User:Aegis Maelstrom)
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aegis_Maelstrom, highlighted the
 importance of meaningful, obtainable and unified data.

 The Finance Fellows have been formed by WMF to spearhead this project. The
 intention of this project is to enable Wikimedia Chapters and Thematic
 Organizations to benchmark activities and costs in a consistent way. We
 will begin by gathering comparable quantitative financial data about
 Wikimedia Chapters and Thematic Organizations. Our findings will later be
 released movement-wide, on Meta-Wiki.

 Please note that this is not an audit process. We are simply collecting the
 data and developing global metrics. The metric is an objective measurement
 that will enable data to be consistent, meaningful and comparable among the
 Wikimedia Chapters, Thematic Organizations, and the Wikimedia Foundation.

 We will build on existing data sets and reach out to Chapters and Thematic
 Organizations if further information is required. After processing the
 gathered information, we will confirm the data with each organization.

 In the long run, we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding

[Richard Symonds]

With the greatest of respect, everyone, can we please remember that I'm
volunteering for this. I'm not paid to do it. It's out of my own time, the
sametime in which I edit Wikipedia. Who my employer is doesn't (and
shouldn't, in my opinion) enter into it. I don't have to volunteer for the
jury - I volunteer for another non-Wikimedia organisation who would love me
to spend 40+ hours with them instead. I volunteer for Wikimedia because I
have done so consistently for ten years - and I've only been employed by
them for three of those.

If you're worried that I will unfairly support the point of view of my
employer, I can assure you that that's not the case. The various jury
meetings are in camera, so my employer doesn't get to find out what my
opinion on these things are, and they can't censure me for it. And I do
disagree with my employer on certain things - and my employer respects my
right to disagree with them. They're a pretty decent employer like that.

It feels a little bit like I'm being referred to as a second class
volunteer. I know that isn't the case - but it feels that way, It feels a
little bit like my volunteer hours are worth less than everyone else's just
because of who pays my salary.

I do understand where you're coming from - but we don't judge other
people's ability to volunteer based on who pays their salaries. Nor do we
assume that I am a 'paid Wikipedia editor'... because I'm not! I'm a
volunteer...

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

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Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
Ellie,

I don't think We have a system that works for jury selection is
appropriate answer. I just asked how and by who, not but it strange for me
that this simple question is been unanswered.

Adding to my first email, now that I familiar more with the jury members -
from one hand I'm happy to see know we have a great and talented jury, but
from second hand, a little bit strange feeling that the jury members of the
major and the biggest community event within our movement are paid staff
from wmf/chapters. I see our staff as an integral part of the movement, but
still - we don't have any committee, especially when we are talking about
Wikimania, that staff are such a major part of the committee.

So yes, this just reinforces the fact that requires a bit more detailed
answer to the question - how they are selected.

Thank you, and thanks for all the people that volunteered for this year
jury.


Itzik



*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!


On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 We have a system that works for jury selection.   What I would STRONGLY
 like to encourage people in the community to do is seek out prospective
 people who would be good hosts and work with me on preparing a bid.   That
 is is our biggest need!  The CFP was posted earlier this month.

 Thank you all.

 Ellie


 On Sep 29, 2014, at 7:18 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:

 It also makes me wonder how hard whoever elected the jury worked to find
 interested unpaid volunteers as opposed to employees who are part of the
 normal professional networks.


 ​I might be wrong, but I didnt saw a mail with a call for volunteers to
 compose the jury like they do every year. ​(I do might had missed though so
 is better if Manuel or Ellie answers.)

 _
 *​Béria L​. de Rodríguez*

 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
 livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
 construir esse sonho.*

 2014-09-29 11:13 GMT-03:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com:

 On 29 September 2014 14:45, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:
  I also would like to know the answer to Itzik question:
 
   Can you elaborate more on how the current jury was elected and by
 who?
   Richard Symonds
   Stuart Prior
   Claudia Garad
   Esteban Zarate
   Daniel Bryant
   Finne Boonen
   Ellie Young

 Could someone point to a profile of the jury members? It is incredibly
 hard to see who has been an employee of the WMF or Chapters unless you
 happen to know people personally. However, I believe I am correct in
 saying that only the minority of the jury has never been a paid
 employee, which may not be the best thing for a conference aimed at
 unpaid volunteers.

 It also makes me wonder how hard whoever elected the jury

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

[Richard Symonds]

Is there a way in which people who volunteer, but not through editing or
coding, can vote? For example, Wikimania volunteers from this year, or
those who volunteer time with financial or  administrative matters rather
than through adding content?
On 5 Oct 2014 11:44, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:

 The title should be WMF Board of Trustee elections.

 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel, 05/10/2014 09:40:

 For example, last elections there were 1809 valid votes.


 And this is the issue we should be talking about: the ~99.5 % abstention
 rate.*

  By comparison, the
 number of WMF staff this days is 218, what makes there voting power 12% of
 the total voters last year. This consider to be a great amount of power
 when we are talking about elections (In the last election you would have
 around 650 votes in order to be elected...)


 Did you check how many actually voted?


 Wikimedia thematic organizations staff and contractors for example don't
 have the same privilege to vote only because they are employees of the
 movement, only if they are editors as well. The question - what make the
 WMF staff different, and if this is not a little bit problematic that the
 staff have such power to decide on their direct board, but in general -
 the
 board of the whole movement.


 This unequality must indeed be rectified. It's not hard to do so.
 1) Just remove the WMF staffers exception: after it was introduced,
 requirements have been greatly reduced and most staffers have at least one
 merged patch or 300 edits. There could be some minor discrimination for
 some administrative staff.
 2) Extend it to any Wikimedia affiliates. This could cause some minor
 inequality in what different affiliates consider staff. Mostly, there
 would be some administrative overhead; but it's trivial to fix with
 standard electoral methods: publish the electors list beforehand and let
 interested voters report errors.
 I wouldn't spend too much time discussing this topic, flipping a coin to
 pick either option is fine. :-)

 Nemo

 (*) No official numbers exist... but I already opened one thread on
 transparency this week.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog network?

[Richard Symonds]

I think they use http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ for that purpose.

It's, ahh,  not ideal.

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On 12 September 2014 13:00, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 It is nice that there are several official blogs. However it is hard to
 navigate from blog to blog to discover what is going on at each chapter.

 Would it make sense to link to all official blogs from
 http://blog.wikimedia.org/ ?

 Cheers,
 Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Richard Symonds]

I personally prefer silver unpainted bikesheds. That way, they don't need
constant repainting.

Perhaps it would be best to decide the program. Or indeed something else
about it. Targets. Audience. Anything. Our conference baby will indeed need
a name, and a name is important, but let's have a pregnancy first. This
thread could do with refocusing :-)
On 11 Sep 2014 19:28, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 /me mumbles something about a bikeshed that has a beautiful shade of blue.

 2014-09-11 20:06 GMT+02:00 James Forrester ja...@jdforrester.org:

  On 11 September 2014 10:52, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   On 11.09.2014 18:42, James Forrester wrote:
  
   On 11 September 2014 09:27, Anh Chung anh.chung.w...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
Dear all,
  
   Wikimania has been over for a month now and it is already time to
  discuss
   the next Wikimedia event, the Wikimedia Conference.
  
Though I'm sure the event is worthy, I will repeat yet again the
  request
   from the Wikimania Committee for people to please stop calling it the
   Wikimedia Conference when it isn't about Wikimedia, just some
 Wikimedia
   organisations, and isn't an open conference, against the ethos of
   Wikimedia.
  
   Wikimedia Associations Meeting 2015 is much less misleading, and
  closer
   to reality.
  
  
   Against the funds of WMF.
  
   A second conference open to the public would be a second yearly
  Wikimania,
   and to open it means to have a budget more or less equal to Wikimania.
  
 
  Indeed, which is why we keep asking for the name to stop being a lie.
 
  J.
  --
  James D. Forrester
  jdforres...@gmail.com
  [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]] (speaking purely in a personal
  capacity)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Richard Symonds]

But we don't even have a bikeshed or a community centre yet :-P
On 12 Sep 2014 00:52, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 11 September 2014 19:19, Charles Gregory wmau.li...@chuq.net wrote:

  On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   On 11/09/14 22:06, Pete Forsyth wrote:
  
  
   Personally, I have no problem with the existence of the conference,
 but
  I
   find its name alienating. Not everyone agrees with that assessment,
 but
   clearly some others in this thread do.
  
  
   What Pete said.
  
   We could go into issues with the exclusionary nature itself, such as
 that
   it would exclude representatives of groups who ran into trouble
 becoming
   official - despite such a conference likely being one of the best
 venues
   for them to bring up and discuss with relevant others how to actually
   address or resolve that trouble that excluded them in the first
 place...
  
   ...but that sort of thing is much harder to resolve/address. The name,
 at
   least, is simple, and should also make a lot of the other problems less
   glaring in the process.
  
  
  Assuming the issue of the name is the sticking point ...
 
  What about the Wikimedia Meta-Conference? Or Meta-Wikimedia Conference?
 Or
  MetaWiki Conference?
 
  It's more about the organisations in the background than keep the
 movement
  going.  It doesn't seem (from my second-hand knowledge of the event)
 that a
  regular editor would get a lot out of it?
 
 
  Regards,
 
 
 This is the same problem.  It's usurping the Wikimedia name, and this
 proposal also usurps the Meta (all communities communication forum) name.
 It is neither for Wikimedia (as a whole) nor for Meta.  It's for designated
 members of affiliates/chapters.  It's okay for it to be what it is. But
 let's call it what it is.

 It's not about the colour of the bikeshed.  It's about calling a bikeshed a
 community centre.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Richard Symonds]

What I'm saying is, let's plan a conference before we argue over the name.
On 12 Sep 2014 00:57, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 We do have a community centre.  It's called Meta.  It may not be a very
 elegant one, and there are definitely parts that can be improved, but it's
 our virtual community centre.

 Risker/Anne

 On 11 September 2014 19:54, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  But we don't even have a bikeshed or a community centre yet :-P
  On 12 Sep 2014 00:52, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   On 11 September 2014 19:19, Charles Gregory wmau.li...@chuq.net
 wrote:
  
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   
 On 11/09/14 22:06, Pete Forsyth wrote:


 Personally, I have no problem with the existence of the
 conference,
   but
I
 find its name alienating. Not everyone agrees with that
 assessment,
   but
 clearly some others in this thread do.


 What Pete said.

 We could go into issues with the exclusionary nature itself, such
 as
   that
 it would exclude representatives of groups who ran into trouble
   becoming
 official - despite such a conference likely being one of the best
   venues
 for them to bring up and discuss with relevant others how to
 actually
 address or resolve that trouble that excluded them in the first
   place...

 ...but that sort of thing is much harder to resolve/address. The
  name,
   at
 least, is simple, and should also make a lot of the other problems
  less
 glaring in the process.


Assuming the issue of the name is the sticking point ...
   
What about the Wikimedia Meta-Conference? Or Meta-Wikimedia
 Conference?
   Or
MetaWiki Conference?
   
It's more about the organisations in the background than keep the
   movement
going.  It doesn't seem (from my second-hand knowledge of the event)
   that a
regular editor would get a lot out of it?
   
   
Regards,
   
   
   This is the same problem.  It's usurping the Wikimedia name, and this
   proposal also usurps the Meta (all communities communication forum)
 name.
   It is neither for Wikimedia (as a whole) nor for Meta.  It's for
  designated
   members of affiliates/chapters.  It's okay for it to be what it is. But
   let's call it what it is.
  
   It's not about the colour of the bikeshed.  It's about calling a
  bikeshed a
   community centre.
  
   Risker/Anne
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

[Richard Symonds]

I edit OpenCorporates when I can. :-)
On 26 Aug 2014 21:02, Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu wrote:

 how did you find them? (and that fast)

 Balazs
 2014.08.23. 22:45, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk ezt
 írta:

  Note that while it *is* a trademark issue, it isn't *just* a trademark
  issue.
 
 
  On 21 August 2014 18:44, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   Thank you Richard for bringing this to everyone's attention.
  
   So folks know, WMF Legal and the Affiliations Committee are
 investigating
   and will be reaching out to the group soon.
  
   Thanks!
   -greg aka varnent
   Wikimedia Affiliations Committee Vice Chair
  
  
   On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Richard Symonds 
   richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  
Thanks all!
   
I have passed this over to WMF legal to deal with as it's a trademark
issue.
   
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On 21 August 2014 17:31, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 On 21 August 2014 12:21, James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.com
   wrote:

  On 21 August 2014 09:13, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi Richard, any links to where you found this information?
  
 
 
  ​The ever-excellent OpenCorporates has its entry:
 
  https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_mi/71656Y
 
  … leading to the official US state of Michigan's entry:
 
  http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/dt_corp.asp?id_nbr=71656Y
 
  No information about the officers, sadly, just a filing office.
 
 
 Incorporation documents here:


   
  
 
 http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/image.asp?FILE_TYPE=ELFFILE_NAME=D201408\2014224\E0091608.TIF

 President:  Scott Perry
 Vice President:  Ann Perry
 Secretary:  Danielle Lewis

 Someone else can figure out how to copy/paste.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

[Richard Symonds]

It isn't. .. sorry for bringing it up!  I consider it closed. :-)
On 26 Aug 2014 22:12, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello, I'm not sure whether this is a case for the whole movement (and
 this list...)
 Kind regards
 Ziko

 2014-08-26 22:03 GMT+02:00 Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk:
  I edit OpenCorporates when I can. :-)
  On 26 Aug 2014 21:02, Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu
 wrote:
 
  how did you find them? (and that fast)
 
  Balazs
  2014.08.23. 22:45, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk ezt
  írta:
 
   Note that while it *is* a trademark issue, it isn't *just* a trademark
   issue.
  
  
   On 21 August 2014 18:44, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
Thank you Richard for bringing this to everyone's attention.
   
So folks know, WMF Legal and the Affiliations Committee are
  investigating
and will be reaching out to the group soon.
   
Thanks!
-greg aka varnent
Wikimedia Affiliations Committee Vice Chair
   
   
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Richard Symonds 
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
   
 Thanks all!

 I have passed this over to WMF legal to deal with as it's a
 trademark
 issue.

 Richard Symonds
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4LT.
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 Wikimedia
 movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia
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   (who
 operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

 *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
   control
 over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*


 On 21 August 2014 17:31, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 21 August 2014 12:21, James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.com
 
wrote:
 
   On 21 August 2014 09:13, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Hi Richard, any links to where you found this information?
   
  
  
   The ever-excellent OpenCorporates has its entry:
  
   https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_mi/71656Y
  
   … leading to the official US state of Michigan's entry:
  
  
 http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/dt_corp.asp?id_nbr=71656Y
  
   No information about the officers, sadly, just a filing
 office.
  
  
  Incorporation documents here:
 
 

   
  
 
 http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/image.asp?FILE_TYPE=ELFFILE_NAME=D201408\2014224\E0091608.TIF
 
  President:  Scott Perry
  Vice President:  Ann Perry
  Secretary:  Danielle Lewis
 
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[Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

[Richard Symonds]

Hi all,

I note that a new Wikimedia organisation has been setup in Michigan, called
the Wikipedia Editors Foundation Inc, as of about a week or two ago.

It seems (by the filings) to be a nice nonprofit org set up by sensible
people who care about the movement.

That said - is this a new chapter, or something similar? To whom should we
address information?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

[Richard Symonds]

Thanks all!

I have passed this over to WMF legal to deal with as it's a trademark issue.

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On 21 August 2014 17:31, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 21 August 2014 12:21, James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 21 August 2014 09:13, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi Richard, any links to where you found this information?
  
 
 
  ​The ever-excellent OpenCorporates has its entry:
 
  https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_mi/71656Y
 
  … leading to the official US state of Michigan's entry:
 
  http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/dt_corp.asp?id_nbr=71656Y
 
  No information about the officers, sadly, just a filing office.
 
 
 Incorporation documents here:

 http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/image.asp?FILE_TYPE=ELFFILE_NAME=D201408\2014224\E0091608.TIF

 President:  Scott Perry
 Vice President:  Ann Perry
 Secretary:  Danielle Lewis

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Accounting software for thematic orgs

[Richard Symonds]

Hi Pine,

I started off doing the accounts at WMUK several years ago and looked at a
fair few different systems, including open source.

Initially we used Gnucash, I believe, but because no-one else used it -
including our auditors - it was not very useful when we needed to create
year end accounts. I also considered CiviCRM after viewing a talk from the
Swedish chapter in 2012. However, the talk was not encouraging - CiviCRM
needs a *lot *of work to be useable as an accounting system. I would not
therefore recommend Gnucash or CiviCRM or any other open source system: you
will find it almost impossible to find an accountant who uses them, and
also almost impossible to find a CiviCRM developer who is also an
accountant! Your auditors will not know how to use the data and will not
have the programs to access it, so in the end you will have to pay extra
for the free software.

In short: open source programs are good for small charity accounts, but the
moment you start hiring staff (of any sort), or have fixed assets or
non-cash donations, the system does not scale and as a result you will
incur large overheads trying to get it to work. You might run into a
problem with CiviCRM if you need to generate invoices for a conference you
run in three or four years time - will your system be able to handle it, or
will you need to upgrade everything at much greater cost?

We also looked at Quickbooks, Sage, and a few others. In the end, we picked
Sage - not because it was cheap, or because it was ethical - but because it
is the UK standard and practically all UK accountants know how to use it.
It has a huge support network, and it is scalable from a self-employed
person up to an organisation with many thousands of employees. Sage is not
used much in the USA though, so Quickbooks may be a better idea for you.

My advice to you would be:

   - Plan for the future - ten year's time. Your solution needs to be
   scalable with little fuss.
   - Use something that has a proven track record - don't got for anything
   like a startup, because you need it supported in future and you can't take
   the risk.
   - Cloud-based is good, but the Treasurer really needs to understand
   what's happening - things should go through him where possible.
   - Don't be afraid to spend money if money needs to be spent.
   - Don't be afraid to ask the WMF directly for their advice. They know
   their stuff and it'd be good if your accounts were run on a similar system
   to theirs - cheaper in the long run, and you've got someone to turn to if
   it all breaks.

I hope this helps! Feel free to drop me an email if you have any more
specific questions.





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On 20 August 2014 10:57, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch
wrote:

 Hi Pine,

 you may want to evaluate CiviCRM.
 It is not perfect but supports accounting (rather than just recording
 donations as before) about a year.
 The advantage of CiviCRM is the fact that it integrates membership
 management, mailings, donors management and that it can be used
 centrally by all the committee members.

 The setup and customization is not so easy with CiviCRM but there are
 plenty of people in the movement who gathered some experience with that.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

[Richard Symonds]

Guys,

This isn't a war, it's an argument on the internet.  No-one is dying and
no-one is being shot at. No-one is even being arrested and I doubt anyone
has even been shouted at in person.

Can we please view this as what it is - a technical issue which can be
resolved - rather than throwing around words like war and firing shots
and thermonuclear?

Once again: This isn't a war, it's an argument on the internet, and it can
be solved if we all act pleasantly.

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On 11 August 2014 15:35, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Aug 11, 2014 1:57 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:12 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
 
   Hi.
  
  
 
   I'm interested to read others' views about options and ways forward
 here.
 
 
 
  I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start wars, and
  particularly not on behalf of anyone or against individuals. We are all
 on
  the same side here: trying to make the projects (and the project
  interfaces, as a part of that) better. That includes, for instance,
 trying
  out a new way of viewing photographs.
 
  I assume of course and as always that you send your message from a place
 of
  also wanting the projects to be better and more usable. But it is hard to
  see how anything you suggest above gets us there.
 
  best,
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 Helpful to not start wars? Well, yes, that would be helpful. But the war is
 already underway, started by the shots Erik has fired.

 The question now is how we restore peace. But Shut up and give up local
 control is not the answer to that question. As with any conflict, hard
 lines will lead to escalation and digging in.

 There are steps we could take to ensure changes are desired and welcomed by
 local communities. Some need to take place on the community side, many on
 the WMF side. But ramming unwanted stuff in is not the way there.

 If Erik will not step back from this brink, I fear we will see more
 escalation. This isn't just about Media Viewer, or Visual Editor, or
 ACTRIAL. It is about WMF being seen as usurping local project control to
 deploy its pet projects. Whether that perception is right or not,
 perception is reality here.

 Your move, Erik. Please don't continue on this road. We're supposed to be
 on the same side.
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[Wikimedia-l] Flags!

[Richard Symonds]

Hi all!

Both the Wikimania flags are missing. The poles have come back, but not the
flag itself! We wanted to get one of these signed by everyone who helped
with Wikimania and display it in the UK office so we are a bit sad that
they're missing. They probably vanished in the final drunken packing last
night.

I'm sure there was no ill intent, but if anyone knows where one of them is,
please drop me an email - or put it in the post to FREEPOST WIKIPEDIA and
we'll pay the postage.

No questions asked!

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

[Richard Symonds]

MF-Warburg, that came across as a bit rude...
On 11 Aug 2014 00:29, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Your mail is embarrassing.
 If you think the foundation is like the parent of the community, you don't
 understand anything about the foundation nor the community.
 Am 11.08.2014 00:05 schrieb John Lewis johnflewi...@gmail.com:

  The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was
  acting in a preventative role to prevent further disruption not punish
  administrators. The community. couldn't take no for an answer and what
 has
  happened?
 
  * Wheel/edit wars
  * A new user right to prevent disruption
  * A priviledge has been revoked on dewiki
  * A user has been desysoped by the community for no reason on dewiki
 
  And who are we blaming? Erik. Why? Because we are a bunch of stubborn
  children. We don't get what we want so we are kicking and screaming to
 get
  it but in the end; we don't and we then accuse our parent (WMF) of being
  too harsh, mean and taking away something we like but do not deserve.
 
  To be honest - until we as a community learn we are not the overlords,
 the
  masters, god of
  Wikimedia, we can work to building a real encyclopedia with awesome
 feature
  where are all work in a good environment and get on as a community and
  Foundation.
 
  I am not saying the WMF is perfect and is not in the wrong; they
 certainly
  have some blame to take and I will come onto that shortly, but we can not
  blame the Foundation for revoking something we clearly do not deserve.
 
  
  Erik, While I will say you have not been communicating stuff the best you
  can and this new user right was proxy deployed by Tim and an advocate and
  not your self - you mean well and I see this. I agree with everything you
  have done so far as a matter of fact.
 
  Fabrice, Have you attempted to start any discussions with communities in
  exactly why they don't want Media Viewer and how exactly it causes so
 much
  dispute that it requires Erik to proxy intervene? It not, please do so.
 
  In a short conclusion - I feel both parties have acted inappropriately
 and
  our bitching at each other does far than solve it. The WMF had to
 implement
  a new right and revoke dewiki's access to their site wide js page because
  of their refusal to accept what the WMF said and want to create a
  performance killer hack to 'fix it' at the cost of performance. Why did
  dewiki have to do this? The WMF refusing to disable Media Viewer. From
 what
  I see, the WMF have backed up by they refused to do this for Wikipedias
 and
  their compromise for Commons is acceptable. I have yet to see a valid
  reason why Media Viewer exactly makes Wikipedia go into a 'OMG UNUSABLE
  DISABLE IT FUCKING NOW OR I WILL' state. Media Viewer allows you to view
  and images without leaving the page - reducing load time for both users
 and
  the WMF. It is hardly the beginning if the end for images.
 
  If we take a quick look at the statistics - 64 voted against Media Viewer
  on the English Wikipedia while 6kish users enabled it, this shows 1.1%
  consensus for disabling the extension in a whole.
 
  I will not ramble on any more. I just ask the community to stop bitching
 at
  the WMF and accept their decision. Until then - I fully support Erik
 super
  protecting every single js and CSS page on every wiki as most Sysop I
 feel
  are technically incompetent.
 
  John Lewis
 
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

[Richard Symonds]

As long as we all stay friends!
On 11 Aug 2014 00:57, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Oh sorry, that was totally not the intention. It must be the strange beer
 here at the Thistle Barbecue hotel.
 Am 11.08.2014 00:54 schrieb Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk:

  MF-Warburg, that came across as a bit rude...
  On 11 Aug 2014 00:29, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
   Your mail is embarrassing.
   If you think the foundation is like the parent of the community, you
  don't
   understand anything about the foundation nor the community.
   Am 11.08.2014 00:05 schrieb John Lewis johnflewi...@gmail.com:
  
The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was
acting in a preventative role to prevent further disruption not
 punish
administrators. The community. couldn't take no for an answer and
 what
   has
happened?
   
* Wheel/edit wars
* A new user right to prevent disruption
* A priviledge has been revoked on dewiki
* A user has been desysoped by the community for no reason on dewiki
   
And who are we blaming? Erik. Why? Because we are a bunch of stubborn
children. We don't get what we want so we are kicking and screaming
 to
   get
it but in the end; we don't and we then accuse our parent (WMF) of
  being
too harsh, mean and taking away something we like but do not deserve.
   
To be honest - until we as a community learn we are not the
 overlords,
   the
masters, god of
Wikimedia, we can work to building a real encyclopedia with awesome
   feature
where are all work in a good environment and get on as a community
 and
Foundation.
   
I am not saying the WMF is perfect and is not in the wrong; they
   certainly
have some blame to take and I will come onto that shortly, but we can
  not
blame the Foundation for revoking something we clearly do not
 deserve.
   

Erik, While I will say you have not been communicating stuff the best
  you
can and this new user right was proxy deployed by Tim and an advocate
  and
not your self - you mean well and I see this. I agree with everything
  you
have done so far as a matter of fact.
   
Fabrice, Have you attempted to start any discussions with communities
  in
exactly why they don't want Media Viewer and how exactly it causes so
   much
dispute that it requires Erik to proxy intervene? It not, please do
 so.
   
In a short conclusion - I feel both parties have acted
 inappropriately
   and
our bitching at each other does far than solve it. The WMF had to
   implement
a new right and revoke dewiki's access to their site wide js page
  because
of their refusal to accept what the WMF said and want to create a
performance killer hack to 'fix it' at the cost of performance. Why
 did
dewiki have to do this? The WMF refusing to disable Media Viewer.
 From
   what
I see, the WMF have backed up by they refused to do this for
 Wikipedias
   and
their compromise for Commons is acceptable. I have yet to see a valid
reason why Media Viewer exactly makes Wikipedia go into a 'OMG
 UNUSABLE
DISABLE IT FUCKING NOW OR I WILL' state. Media Viewer allows you to
  view
and images without leaving the page - reducing load time for both
 users
   and
the WMF. It is hardly the beginning if the end for images.
   
If we take a quick look at the statistics - 64 voted against Media
  Viewer
on the English Wikipedia while 6kish users enabled it, this shows
 1.1%
consensus for disabling the extension in a whole.
   
I will not ramble on any more. I just ask the community to stop
  bitching
   at
the WMF and accept their decision. Until then - I fully support Erik
   super
protecting every single js and CSS page on every wiki as most Sysop I
   feel
are technically incompetent.
   
John Lewis
   
   
   
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

[Richard Symonds]

He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or
through a friend. Very tricky to track down.
On 1 Aug 2014 17:42, Dennis Pierri dennis6...@gmail.com wrote:

 ;O we get vandalized and he doesn't stick to his word of donating? Some
 people are just mean.

 On 01/08/2014, at 10:10, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  We do not see any donations from anyone by that name.
 
  Best,
  Lisa Gruwell
 
 
  On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  The activity you describe is obviously unacceptable.  However, the
 amount
  of time and effort that out associated with tracking down and
 returning a
  particular $20 contribution would not be worth it.
 
  Newyorkbrad
 
  Newyorkbrad, it wouldn't be all that difficult, given that the
  person's name is known, it was clearly done with Paypal, we have the
  date the donation was made, etc, etc.
 
  Furthermore, as the WMF have publicly spoken on these edits,[1] it
  would be amiss to condemn the edits but not disavow donations made as
  part of those edits.
 
  The WMF should be refunding the donation.
 
  Even more worse, the Kremlin is using the English Wikipedia to support
 a
  misinformation campaign around the shoot down of MH17 by Russian
  separatists in Ukraine.[1] Thankfully we have these new watchdog
 Twitter
  bots to spot interference by unsophisticated government actors, of both
  the
  playfully harmless and the dangerously harmful varieties.
 
  Nathan, it is fantastic that Jen Psaki wishes to engage with the
  Wikimedia community, but could you please in future ask her to send
  her brainfarts from her own account. :)
 
  Cheers
 
  Scotty
 
 
  [1]
 
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/07/24/wikipedia-blocks-anonymous-edits-and-trolling-from-a-congressional-ip-address/
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

[Richard Symonds]

+1, sorry, that was my point :-)
On 1 Aug 2014 20:10, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or
  through a friend. Very tricky to track down.
 


 Or...the US NSA hacked into the Foundation's donor database and removed it
 to contribute to the conspiracy.

 Jeez guys - stop beating the horse.  It's never was alive to begin with.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Egypt Wikimedians User Group

[Richard Symonds]

Congratulations from the United Kingdom!
On 28 Jul 2014 22:32, Andy Cruz y Corro andyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Congratulations! May great things come for you


 On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Congrats Egypt!
 
  - Enock
  On Jul 28, 2014 8:07 PM, Habib M'henni habib.mhe...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Congratulations to the new User Group!
  
   Best wishes
  
   Habib M'henni
   Wikimedia TN User Group
   http://about.me/habibmhenni
   
   Envoyé de mon smartphone
  
  
   Le 28 juil. 2014 à 20:25, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
 a
   écrit :
  
   Dear all,
  
   It is an honor to announce that the Affiliations Committee has resolved
  [1]
   recognizing the Egypt Wikimedians User Group as a Wikimedia User Group;
   their main focus areas are supporting the Wikimedia projects in Egypt
 as
   well as their fellow Egyptian Wikimedians, and becoming eventually the
   recognized chapter in the land of the Pharaohs and the Nile.  Let's
  welcome
   the newest member of the family of affiliates -and the second one from
  the
   Arab World!
  
  
   Regards,
   Carlos
  
   1:
  
  
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Egypt_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_July_2014
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commonwealth Games

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Is there anyone nearby, or anyone going already?
On 22 Jul 2014 14:52, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Not that I know of.


 On 22 July 2014 14:48, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

  Do we have anyone at the Commonwealth Games?
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Volunteer Support Workshop - correction

[Richard Symonds]

For those interested in such things, the building is Wiki Loves
Monuments-eligible, and has an article at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley's_Chapel.

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2014-07-18 15:58 GMT+01:00 Dirk Franke dirk.fra...@wikimedia.de:

 Dear list readers,

 and hopefully the last Pre-Wikimania Volunteer Support Meetup Correction
 mail. There is a room change. The workshop will happen at

 Wesley's Chapel and Leysian Mission
 49 City Road
 London
 EC1Y 1AU

 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pre-conference:_Volunteer_Support

 Thanks again for Wikimedia UK being attentive and acting so quickly.

 Best,
 Dirk


 Am 18. Juli 2014 14:00 schrieb Dirk Franke dirk.fra...@wikimedia.de:

  Dear list readers,
 
  I apologize for the inconvience, but have to make a small correcton.
 
  The Volunteer Support Workshop will happen on
 
  Thursday, August 7(!)
 
 
 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pre-conference:_Volunteer_Support
 
  not the day before as previously stated.
 
  Best wishes,
  Dirk
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Richard Symonds]

Probably something better suited for a technical mailing list. Not really
something we can help with on Wikimedia-l as very few of us have the
technical skills to know what's going on...

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On 3 July 2014 13:20, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:

  throwing a tantrum because WMF won't give him 24TB of
  storage for a project that has legal questionablity

 If society depended on lawyers for determining the parameters of their
 inverted indices, you would all be using WAIS for the last five years
 of corporate press releases for your reference needs.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] red cross

[Richard Symonds]

I think John Cummings might know a bit.
On 3 Jul 2014 23:27, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 did anybody of you already have contact with the red cross or the icrc?
 concerning wikipedia, offline, commons, maps, wikinews? would there be any
 topic interesting for a cooperation?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Richard Symonds]

You say 'if only the Foundation matches my donation'... I don't want to
sound daft, but from a financial viewpoint, I don't think it's a donation
if you're getting something (a survey) in return.
On 4 Jul 2014 00:18, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:

  [Calling] when you ask for a huge chunk of hardware [and] someone
  dares to ask what you plan to do with it, once you get it for free ...
  censorship is trolling

 I was not complaining about the question, I was sincerely complaining
 about the answer. We need Foundation staff with the capability to
 recognize the value of contributors' work without stalling them or
 giving them the runaround. We need to be as respectful of our
 colleagues' time as we expect them to be of ours.

 To prove my sincerity, I offer to pay the full cost of the 24 TB
 equipment and installation, reserving the right to pass the hat, if
 and only if the Foundation matches my donation by surveying
 contributors' opinions about new and existing strategic goals for
 improving participation and providing the headcount and resources to
 develop accuracy review:

 http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Develop_systems_for_accuracy_review

 Is that a fair deal?

 Best regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

[Richard Symonds]

 MMORPG players


:-(

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On 27 June 2014 14:18, Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com wrote:

 Hi again Luis,

 Thank you for commenting my open letter to Lila. I guess if I send an open
 letter I should expect open responses, however I surely hope Lila will
 speak on the matter, yea, nay, or not of concern to me, as I asked.

 Yes, I recall your previous response to my previous email (which was
 actually larger in scope, criticizing the now-effective overall privacy
 policy, whereas I now focus on the access-to-non-public information
 sub-policy, not yet in effect). In it you said the policies would never
 attain perfection. Below you assert there is no magical answer. These
 are examples of thought-terminating cliches. Presented with reasoned
 criticism of the policies, you attempt to stop discussion by saying they
 can never be perfect or magical. To give you credit, a lot of times
 thought-terminating cliches are effective in debate with non-lawyers.

 I'm going to go ahead and answer your perhaps when we next look at the
 question in a few years with the obvious observation that the procedures
 the policy lays out now are going to affect contributors mightily within
 the next few years. The access policy is not effective yet and can still be
 amended. So I'm going to resist your kicking the can down the road a few
 years.

 Now, to dig into the actual merits of what you say, I respond that these
 policies were not discussed extensively with the community. You obtained
 input almost exclusively from the *administrative subset* of the community,
 and none no more so than the individuals that currently have or stand to
 obtain the accesses in question. Should we be surprised that they prefer
 anonymity for themselves, as they explore the IPs and browser signatures
 and so on of the rank and file content editors? No. The community
 according to Lila is *all* the editors, a mere fraction (though powerful)
 of which are the insider and involved administrative types that commented
 on the policy drafts. I'm confident you'll agree that this distinction is
 more or less accurate, that in fact it is the administrative participants
 particularly that tend to comment this stuff, and not so much
 representatives of the great masses of content editors that actually built
 Wikipedia. Please do not gloss over this distinction in the future when
 claiming immense community participation. I'm not saying it's your fault
 that the discussion wasn't representative though. I'm just saying that's
 how it is.

 Neither am I faulting, or at least I shouldn't fault, anything about
 Michelle Paulson's hard work on the matter. I think the bad decision to
 accord anonymity to the checkusers and so forth was made higher up. In fact
 it's interesting to look back in the discussion to see what she said: 1)
 We do not believe that the current practices regarding collection and
 retention of community member identification are in compliance with the
 Board’s current Access to nonpublic data policy and hoped to bring the
 policy and practices closer to fulfilling the original intent of the
 policy (
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Access_to_nonpublic_information_policy/Archives/2014#Rethinking_the_access_policy:_Response_to_recent_feedback).
 What she's saying is that WMF Legal became uncomfortable with the fact that
 what the responsible individuals were doing with the identifications
 (shredding, deleting) was at odds with what the policy clearly stated to
 editors was the case (identifying). Faced with this problem, there were two
 ways to go: 1) change the practice to conform with the policy (i.e. start
 securely keeping the identifications), or 2) change the policy to conform
 to the practice (i.e. grant anonymity to those granted access to
 non-anonymous information of others). What I am saying here, and if Lila is
 reading this far, is that you chose the wrong option.

 This email is already long, and I am not going to start commenting again
 why I think the administrative culture has attracted exactly the wrong kind
 of people, cyber-bullies, MMORPG players, creepers, and that this change to
 the policy is going to magnify that. I guess I'll just close by saying that
 it is not that hard to buy a secure file cabinet for the identification
 faxes and, say, the removable hard-drive containing the identification
 emails. There aren't all that great

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Urgent problem on the Beta Wikiversity

[Richard Symonds]

Could you link to an example?

:-)
On 23 Jun 2014 04:36, R W romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Beta Wikiversity someone is active now who uses the project as his
 personal notepad/sandbox. The pages created in Dutch are short Wikipedia
 articles, copy of a message of the yearplan of WMNL, texts of Wikisource,
 Wikinews articles, and for every person he contacted he creates a page. In
 his communication towards those people he presents himself as Wikiversity
 and says such in these pages. All these pages do not contain educational
 content.

 Another major issue is that private information is added to these pages,
 privacy violation for no reason.

 Another issue is the adding of copyrighted material

 Because of there is no Dutch community there, nobody takes action. At the
 moment the Dutch chapter is working on setting up an education program, but
 the current material would discredit the attempt and we do not consider it
 realistic to start up this project at Beta Wikiversity.

 How to act?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [cultural-partners] [Wikimediauk-l] Idea: Let's have a 3D printer at Wikimania

[Richard Symonds]

All,

I'm talking to the initial proposer (Nonlineartom) at the moment. He has a
fair bit of experience with this sort of thing.

I will have a proper look next week when I'm back at work, but this should
be something we could do relatively cheaply.
On 15 Jun 2014 11:25, John Cummings john.cummi...@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:

 Hi all

 I can bring my printer, not sure where it will go. It's a very slow
 process so would be good to have some things printed beforehand, have a
 look on Thingiverse.com for models I could print, some are only suitable
 for SLS printer (very expensive industrial machines that use lasers) but
 most of the models I could print.

 Having RepRap involved in some way at Wikimania is on my to do list.

 John





 On 15 June 2014 08:05, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 15 June 2014 02:57, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:
  Just make a RepRap ourselves. Materials typically cost ~£300-400 these
 days.
  http://www.reprap.org/wiki/RepRap
 
  The 3D printer itself is libre hardware and is capable of manufacturing
 most
  parts of itself!

 RepRap looks like a potential hackerthon project[1] - so long as as
 few volunteers commit to actually finishing putting it together! The
 last time I tried fixing my washing machine, there were several bits
 left over.

 What would be really cool would be to set up a stop-motion webcam on
 the table where it was being assembled, so we can release a video
 before the end of the hackerthon; you may recall Liam doing something
 similar for an early editathon at the British Museum (in the days
 before we started using the word editathon).[2] Having the new
 printer then buzzing away creating some merchandise during Wikimania
 would be a great output from the Hackerthon, I'm sure several chapters
 would be interested in borrowing it for experiments, so the few
 hundred quid in cost should be easy to justify against resulting
 collaborative open knowledge projects, especially stimulating
 discussion and policies around 3D model files.

 Links
 1. https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon August 6-10
 2.
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Editing_Hoxne_Hoard_at_the_British_Museum.ogv

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Bangladesh has completed its local registration in Bangladesh

[Richard Symonds]

Indeed - congratulations Wikimedia Bangladesh from all of us here in the UK
:-)

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On 11 June 2014 08:04, Isabella Apriyana isabella.apriy...@wikimedia.or.id
wrote:

 Congratulations, Wikimedia Bangladesh!



 Cheers,


 On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi 
 subhash...@cis-india.org wrote:

  Congratulations all of out friends from Bangladesh for this great
 success!
 
  Best!
  Subha
 
   On 11-Jun-2014, at 10:52 am, Arjuna Rao Chavala arjunar...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
   Hi Tonmoy,
  
  
   On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
   Dear All,
  
  
   It gives me great pleasure to announce that Wikimedia Bangladesh
 (WMBD)
  has
   successfully completed its local registration in Bangladesh. Our
   application for registration was approved by the Registrar of Joint
  Stock
   Companies  Firms - Bangladesh on 9th June, 2014 and I have collected
  the
   certificate of registration today (10th June, 2014).
   Congratulations to you and your colleagues on this important
 milestone. I
   am happy to hear about this, as this used to be a topic of discussion
   between us, when we met for FDC meetings during  the last two years.
  
   Best wishes for the growth of WM Bangladesh
  
   Arjuna Rao Chavala
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   FDC member, 2012-14
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

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+1... Well done Michelle!
On 6 Jun 2014 18:46, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote:

 Echoing Luis's shout-out to Michelle for such a colossal achievement.


 Dan Rosenthal
 

 P.S. Let me take this opportunity to again thank Michelle Paulson for her
 work leading this process; all told, it has been something like 18 months
 of work for her. And that is only the start for her - now that the policy
 is in place, she'll be working extensively with ops, analytics, the
 ombudsmen, and many others to ensure compliance and look for other ways to
 improve privacy. She deserves a big round of applause from every
 privacy-concerned Wikimedian for her tireless work on this issue, sometimes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reset the Internet

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I think that a part of it is putting up another banner, to advertise
privacy tools. That would presumably require community support and
discussion before it could be done...
On 2 Jun 2014 03:53, Moiz Syed ms...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 https://www.resetthenet.org/

 I see EFF, Reddit, FSF in the list of supporting organizations. Why isn't
 Wikimedia/Wikipedia part of this?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Richard Symonds]

In short, because that's what UK charity best practice, outlined in the
SORP, says we have to do when preparing accounts. Every charity in the UK
does this because our regulator believes it's the most transparent way of
doing things.

Basically, if people go as trustees, it's a governance cost. Otherwise,
it's a charitable cost, because we're spreading knowledge - albeit
knowledge of best practice, rather than knowledge of Wikipedia. This
knowledge is imparted to other chapters, which in turn use that knowledge
to become more effective at fulfilling our global mission.
On 2 Jun 2014 21:13, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:


 On 2 Jun 2014, at 13:27, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  So for trustee expenses: not all of the board went as trustees, as two
 (at
  least) were invited as speakers - reporting that as a trustee cost
 wouldn't
  be accurate. As to staff – I attended as the Chief Executive, but the
 other
  two staff were also invited speakers. One of the staff had some costs
 paid
  by the Foundation.

 I'm not sure I understand the logic here. Would the trustees/staff have
 been invited as speakers if they weren't trustees/staff? If not, then why
 make the distinction here?

 Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Non-renewal of Wikimedia UK fundraiser agreement

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Hi Russavia,

Just a quick response to your points:

   1. Yes. Gift Aid isn't quite the same as tax deductibility. To take
   Wikipedia's example, when Mr Smith donates £100 to a charity, the charity
   gets £100 from him, plus an extra £25 from the government. It's more
   complex than this - not everyone is eligible - but broadly this is the case.
   2. Probably not. See
   
http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/frequently-asked-questions/faqs-about-registering-a-charity/can-i-register-the-uk-branch-of-an-overseas-charity/
   .
   3. I'm not sure where the 50% figure came from, but it is incorrect. The
   correct figure for that year is 69%. For this past quarter, the correct
   figure is even better, at 80.24%. In addition, our fundraising costs as a
   percentage of total spend have dropped from 22% to 10%. If anyone wants
   more information on this, our treasurer is happy to discuss it with them by
   email.
   4. As for the planes - it is indeed fantastic and a good example of how,
   even where we may disagree, we can still all pull together to do great work
   for the movement. Speaking personally, it's a shame we don't have something
   similar for ships!


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On 21 May 2014 12:22, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 A couple of things popped into my head that I am unsure of, but hope
 someone might be able to answer.

 1) I understand that processing of UK donations in the US has significant
 tax implications on the funds collected. I would imagine that the WMF
 couldn't claim anywhere near the same tax relief on this income in the USA?
 2) If there are tax implications, wouldn't it make more sense for the WMF
 to register its own charity in the UK, thereby it could essentially take
 WMUK out of the equation completely?
 3) Could the fact that WMUK is currently spending approximately 50% of its
 income on non-project costs[1] be partly the reason for this decision by
 Sue? I understand that 3 years ago there was no staff in the UK and
 something like 90% of income was spent directly on projects, and now there
 are 12 staff with at the very least 50% of income being spent on
 non-project activities based on reports presented for the last FDC
 proposal. This could be a message that WMUK needs to trim the fat,
 especially if there are more overheads that are hidden within programme
 activity funding.

 Not really sure what's going on here with the WMF, but the likelihood that
 what Nemo and Mircu state is possible, but we shouldn't discount other
 things as well.

 But I would like to thank WMUK for sponsoring the Airliners project on
 Commons,[2] which will see over 200,000+ aviation images being made
 available via Fae's great work, and the chapters generosity. It's something
 that I don't think sponsorship would have come as easily from other
 sources.

 Cheers

 Russavia


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 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:FDC_portal/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/WMUK/Proposal_form#Programme_5.E2.80.94Finance
 [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Batch_uploading/Airliners
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Israel been accepted to the Google Grants program

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Andrew: WMUK can use them if we want, as can most UK charities, but we
haven't put together a plan for doing so.  I'd be interested to see how
WMIL's scheme goes!
On 5 May 2014 15:35, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

 Interesting! WM-DE and WMF have both had adword grants - looking at
 the mailing list archives, they seemed to use them for directing
 people to fundraising. Any other chapters used these?

 Amdrew.

 On 5 May 2014 13:53, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote:
  Hey,
 
  We are pleased to announce that Wikimedia Israel been accepted to the
  Google Grants program. Google Grants is an in-kind advertising program
 that
  awards free online advertising to nonprofits via Google AdWords up to
  10,000$ per month.
 
  This grant will help Wikimedia Israel to uses another way to reach people
  in Israel and to invite them to learn about Wikipedia, attends editing
  workshops and to donate to Wikipedia.
 
  Google is a longtime supporter of Wikimedia Israel – They sponsored Wiki
  Loves Monuments on 2012 and 2013 and hosted many Wikimedia Israel's
 events
  at their Google Campus in Tel Aviv (Hackathons and community meet-ups).
 
 
  P.S. Happy 66th Israel's Independence Day!
 
 
 
  *Regards,Itzik Edri*
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

[Richard Symonds]

Christopher, Aya,

Speaking as a jury member, the reason we disqualified Bali and Dar es
Salaam was that those two bids were not really complete enough to score.

Richard Symonds
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operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

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On 21 April 2014 21:03, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote:

 Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City!

 I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing the
 winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I
 would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too.

 Kind Regards,
 Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz


 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper 
 ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

  Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid
  together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to host
  Wikimania and I look forward to attending.
 
  Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were chosen
  and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere for
  digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was
  clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to why
 the
  Dar es Salaam was disqualified.
 
  Kind regards,
  Christopher
  User: CT Cooper
 
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

[Richard Symonds]

No, Aya, I don't think there will be a public report - I don't think it's
happened in previous years.

I for one would not be happy with making my marking grid public because the
bidders didn't know that the marking grids were going to be made public -
and for that matter, neither did I! I am also a little worried about being
second-guessed by the community at large. Imagine, *for example,* if the
jury was split down the middle, with half hating the Mexico bid and half
loving it: it could be very damaging for the volunteer team morale to show
that not everyone supported them, and it might damage the conference.
Perhaps in future it would be a good thing to do...

However, I see where you're coming from - it would be good to have feedback
on the individual bids for posterity's sake, and to make sure that mistakes
or omissions aren't repeated in future...

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On 22 April 2014 16:27, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Richard for the reply! Will there be any public report with a matrix
 indicating the scores of the bidding cities in each judging criterion?

 Kind Regards,
 Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz


 On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  Christopher, Aya,
 
  Speaking as a jury member, the reason we disqualified Bali and Dar es
  Salaam was that those two bids were not really complete enough to score.
 
  Richard Symonds
  Wikimedia UK
  0207 065 0992
 
  Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
  Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
  Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
 4LT.
  United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
  movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
  operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
 
  *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
  over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
 
 
  On 21 April 2014 21:03, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City!
  
   I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing
 the
   winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I
   would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too.
  
   Kind Regards,
   Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz
  
  
   On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper 
   ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
  
Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the
  bid
together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to
  host
Wikimania and I look forward to attending.
   
Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were
  chosen
and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere
  for
digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was
clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to
 why
   the
Dar es Salaam was disqualified.
   
Kind regards,
Christopher
User: CT Cooper
   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
   
   
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Indonesia and Humanitarian Open Street Map receive ALL VOICES GRANT

[Richard Symonds]

This is fantastic news! HOT OSM is one of the really valuable openly
licensed projects out there, and I've been really interested to see how it
might fit in with working with Wikipedia.

Do let us know how it goes!

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operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

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On 17 April 2014 16:55, Isabella Apriyana isabella.apriy...@wikimedia.or.id
 wrote:

 Dear all,

 We are happy to inform you that Wikimedia Indonesia and Humanitarian
 OpenStreetMap Team (HOT OSM) just received the news that our proposal
 submitted to Making All Voices Count grant program was accepted. We
 got £ 31,000
 worth of grant to work on growing open content in Kalimantan, Indonesia.

 The proposal was submitted last year and co-written by Wikimedia
 (Siska Doviana, Ivonne Kristiani, John Vandenberg) and HOT OSM (Kate
 Chapman and Yantisa Akhadi). We are so excited because this is our first
 big collaboration project together and out of 500 proposals worldwide
 (well, seven countries) only 28 received funding, and we are one of them.
 We
 also realized that we just became internationally competitive in grant
 seeking. Thank you to them, and back to work for us!

 Official page from Making All Voices Count:


 http://www.makingallvoicescount.org/project/open-content-in-kalimantan-wikipedia-openstreetmap-for-transparency/


 Cheers,

 --
 *Isabella Apriyana*
 *Wakil Sekretaris Jendral*

 *(Deputy Secretary General)Wikimedia Indonesia*
 Seluler +628889752858/ +6281213700084
 Surel isabella.apriy...@wikimedia.or.id

 Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan!
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 Support us to free the knowledge!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'm back

[Richard Symonds]

Great to have you back :-)
On 17 Apr 2014 21:48, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:

 For those who care, I'm back.

 My absence wasn't related to Wikimedia. It was about first world
 problems, which hit me quite hard. I never thought that the transition
 from the second to the first world problems would be painful. Few
 years ago I'd have called it decadence.

 So, lesson learned.

 Anyway, I thought that I would see something completely different here
 and was worried a bit about my ability to adapt. But, I see that
 everything is as it was. Good old heated debates. And known [virtual]
 faces :D

 I feel I am home again :)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding of decentralized organizational structure

[Richard Symonds]

Thanks for this Ting. I won't offer an opinion but this is certainly food
for thought and will no doubt generate discussion. When you say Who
remembers CHIP?, what are you referring to? I don't remember anything
called CHIP but I was not very active in movement organisations before 2
years ago.

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On 10 April 2014 12:23, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote:

 Hello dear all,

 now the second mail

 Funding of international operating organizations is a very complicated
 issue. The Wikimedia movement is not the first and not the last one to face
 this topic. There are as many models on how this can be handled as there
 are international organizations.


 Currently the Wikimedia movement adapted a strong centralized model with
 the Foundation as the only organization that does the fund distribution. In
 the official text it is said that the Foundation only does payment
 processing and the FDC does the fund distribution, I think this is
 misguiding. The part of money that the FDC distribute is at the end defined
 by the annual financial plan of the Foundation, and not by FDC itself, in
 this way FDC doesn't really have financial sovereignty and is only
 distributing a very small part of the whole movement funding.


 There is a long way for us to come to this model, and yes, every critics
 is correct who says that I am personally responsible for this model. The
 model was introduced and adapted during my chair's personship on the
 Foundation board and I defended this model during this time. I remember
 lively the Wikimania in Haifa and in Washington. But it doesn't mean that I
 cannot rethink this decision. Indeed, today I think that it is mea culpa,
 mea maxima culpa.


 As I said earlier there is a history how we got into this result. At the
 beginning, when WMDE was the only partner organization that did fund
 raising beside of WMF there was an agreement between WMDE and WMF that the
 amount of money raised inside of Germany (independent on who raised it)
 will be split 50:50 between the two organizations. In year 2009 this model
 was used to all organizations who wanted to do fund raising.


 I won't speak for anyone else, I just want to speak for myself. I was
 worried by the end of 2009. The reason why I was worried was the funding of
 WMF, not that of the chapters, especially in the light of at that time very
 vividly discussed WMUSA. The model we used for 2009 cut off the Foundation
 from half of the funds from Europe outside of Germany, especially from UK.
 In the light of higher funding result this was not very much a problem for
 the WMF, because the biggest part of the funding came from US. But in case
 that there would be a WMUSA and it would participate in fund raising in the
 same way it would mean that the WMF will lose almost half of its funding
 (given the case, that the fund raising target will not be raised), and I
 want to remind the readers that at that time the WMF budget in total was
 still quite low. That was my worry. Let me emphasize that it was my private
 thought. As I said I won't speak for anyone else. And I didn't talk with
 anyone in this respect. I didn't hear anyone speak out a similar concern so
 I take I was alone with this worry. There were no talk that I am aware of,
 official or unofficial, that was related to this concern. Even though at
 that time WMDE signaled to the Foundation that they were willing to change
 the 50:50 splitting in benefit to the WMF, it seemed to me still very
 worrisome.


 In the end, some other issues came up. I think all concerns that were
 publicly made in this context are valid. And as I said in the other mail I
 think that at the end it is good that we have set up those standards and
 all organizations inside of the movement are profitable from these
 standards.


 But I think that the end result of the whole process is a very radical
 centralized one. And as this it is not compatible to the value that we
 declared for ourselves: That our movement should be decentralized.


 Concrete I find a few points especially problematic with the approach we
 currently have:

  *

The WMF is currently the only body that is empowered and is able to
distribute the funds

  *

The grants are limited in one year's term and doesn't really help
long term development and strategy

  *

Almost all grants are conditioned and doesn't give the partner
organization

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers

[Richard Symonds]

A bit of unsolicited advice from a chapter staff member and long-time
volunteer coming up. It doesn't represent my view on this proposal, but is,
as I said, simply unsolicited advice! Feel free to ignore it if you want.

Here we go...

It seems to me that the term 'paid volunteer' is an oxymoron. A volunteer
is, by 
definitionhttp://www.volunteering.org.uk/iwanttovolunteer/what-is-volunteering,
unpaid, aren't they?

That said, this definition, *as applied to paid editing,* is a good start,
but it seems like it needs a little reworking to cover what you're trying
to cover, in particular the part that reads This includes employees and
contractors I'll explain why this is my advice below:

   - Paid volunteers are employees, contractors or part time
contractors of Wikimedia
   organizations or other organizations having agreements or partnerships
   with Wikimedia.
  - *[This could include, say, Google, who have probably signed a
  Wikimania sponsorship agreement with the WMF at some point]*
   - The paid volunteer contributes to Wikimedia projects and discussions
   that influence the content of Wikimedia projects.
   - *[This would include any Google employee who edits Wikipedia in his
  spare time]*
   - This includes employees and contractors that may not be paid for
their on-project
   activities,
  - *[This would also include a Google employee who edits in his spare
  time about trains as his hobby]*
   - however their employer benefits from the content of the same projects.
   - *[Which Google does because they trawl Wikimedia projects and thus
  benefit from them... but then, most of the Western World benefits from
  Wikipedia one way or another!]*

This would mean that anyone who works for Google, and edits Wikipedia about
1920s Welsh steam trains, is a paid volunteer, regardless of whether their
job has anything to do with Wikipedia. As a paid volunteer, presumably
their would be extra rules which apply to him - but rules which would not
serve any purpose in his case except for preventing some sort of
Google/Wikipedia/Welsh Steam Trains tryst that wouldn't realistically occur
anyway.

What I'm saying is that this would potentially cover an *awful* lot of
people. To give another example, what if the US State department granted an
amount to the Wikimedia Idaho chapter to do an editathon (with a short
one-page grant agreement covering what the £250 grant would be used for)?
Would that then mean that any US State Department employee, worldwide,
would be a 'paid volunteer'? By this definition, yes...

Don't get me wrong, this is a discussion that the community needs to have,
but the stated definition, in my opinion, may be overreaching a bit more
than intended...

Richard Symonds
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movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
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over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*


On 4 April 2014 12:26, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Perhaps I'm just being obtuse, but I'm a little unclear on the definition
 of a paid volunteer.  Could you possibly try rephrasing it so that I'm more
 clear?

 pb



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 @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki


 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

  Proposal: Paid volunteers should take care to identify themselves on
  Wikimedia Projects and discussions related to Wikimedia Projects.
 
  Sue Gardner's initial report by the WMF into the Belfer case makes  a key
  decision that there must be effective processes for escalation of
 employee
  activities that may not comply with Wikimedia local project best
  practice.[1][2] The WMF can direct their own processes for their staff,
 but
  a consequence for the wider community is that on our projects we should
  have policies that ensure there is simple and straight-forward
 transparency
  for who is a paid volunteer and may have interests related to their edits
  or their contributions to discussion. The current situation is that paid
  volunteers have no requirement to identify themselves and may contribute
  anonymously or pseudonymously in ways that obscure their interest, in
 fact
  this is current common practice.
 
  I am thinking of raising this proposal on meta, so initial thoughts and
  comments on this list would be welcome to decide whether this is worth
  taking forward as beneficial to our volunteer community.
 
  *Definition of paid

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers

[Richard Symonds]

Just a quick correction, you say that Even a paid researcher on a
university project would not meet this definition, unless the project were
part funded or in partnership with Wikimedia. 

This is not quite accurate: even a student on a university project would
meet this definition if his university had:

   1. Signed a quick
licencehttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark/License/GLAM (an
   agreement between the University and the WMF)
   2. Paid for the student's scholarship (a contracted payment from the
   University to the student)

This would apply under the current definition *even if* *the student's
studies are entirely unrelated to Wikimedia.* This is because the student
would be a contractor of an organizations having [an agreement] with
Wikimedia.

It could easily be read that a 'paid volunteer':

   - Has to be an employee, contractor or part time contractor of [anyone
   who has signed any agreement with any Wikimedia organisation or person
   describing themselves as part of Wikimedia].
   - Has to [contribute to Wikimedia, but not necessarily edit].
   - This includes [anyone whose employer benefits from Wikimedia in any
   way].

I know that this seems hysterical, but experience has shown that we need to
define these things accurately, and the definition is much too broad at
present. It has the effect of including all employees and contractors (even
unpaid) of all organisations which have ever so much as signed a single
page agreement with anyone from Wikimedia. We have to ask:

   1. How are we defining Wikimedia? Does it include, say, user groups?
   Could it include single persons in some cases?
   2. Why are we including people who are not actually paid to edit the
   projects, but might be paid to, for example, mine coal - but edit the
   projects when they get home?
   3. Does this include organisations where there is an unwritten
   agreement? What about a draft agreement?

A complex issue!


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movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*


On 4 April 2014 16:49, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 4 April 2014 14:33, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote:
  On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, at 22:14, Fæ wrote:
  *Definition of paid volunteer:*
  Paid volunteers are employees, contractors or part time contractors of
  Wikimedia organizations or other organizations having agreements or
  partnerships with Wikimedia. The paid volunteer contributes to Wikimedia
  projects and discussions that influence the content of Wikimedia
 projects.
  This includes employees and contractors that may not be paid for their
  on-project activities, however their employer benefits from the content
 of
  the same projects.
 ...
  If I am a student and write wikipedia articles about commercial software
 my university uses in my free time, I satisfy this definition. However, I
 would have no conflict of interest here, as neither I nor my university
 gets paid for the new information I would write.
 ...

 I do not understand how you are reading the definition to believe it
 would apply to students writing about some software they happen to
 use. Students pay the university to be on a course, or receive a grant
 from a funding body which they then pay the university, not the
 reverse. To be clear, this definition does not apply to students, they
 are not:
 * employees who are also volunteers
 * volunteers who are receiving money or given significant assets for
 improving content of Wikimedia projects

 Even a paid researcher on a university project would not meet this
 definition, unless the project were part funded or in partnership with
 Wikimedia. In that latter case, yes, we would want their interest to
 be declared when they were acting as a volunteer contributor to
 Wikimedia projects and at the same time benefiting their university
 project or advocating for further projects where they were likely to
 be employed/contracted or be credited for associated academic
 publications.

 What is proposed here is *not* a general conflict of interest policy,
 it is a specific policy of transparency directed at Wikimedia
 organization employees or employees of Wikimedia partners on
 programmes directly related to Wikimedia projects in the same way as
 can be claimed for the Belfer case. Vague associations like an
 employee of a Wikimedia partner organization who has no connection to
 a Wikimedia partnership are tangential ideas, having nothing to do
 with this proposal.

 Fae

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

[Richard Symonds]

Nicely put!
On 1 Apr 2014 22:29, Amy Vossbrinck avossbri...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hello All:

 I have been following this thread with great interest and a kind of deeply
 appreciative fascination.

 First to say that I am relatively new to WMF - having been on board for
 just a bit over a year.  Previously the jobs that I had pretty much covered
 the entire waterfront:

 Summer jobs in high school
 Jobs while in college (didn't we all do that!)
 4 years in a combination of corporations and small businesses
 17 years as a volunteer as I raised my two sons
 17 years in non-profits (helping to found 3 of them)
 2 years in county government
 2 years as a scheduler for a Presidential campaign
 and most recently, just before I came here,  6 years as a scheduler for a
 US Congressman.

 She must be 'old as dirt you are thinking - well not just yet - and among
 other things that set WMF apart - they do not discriminate on the basis of
 age :-) :-) :-)

 WMF is unique in so many ways from all the other places I have worked, just
 to name a few:

 Basic operating manual:  Assume good faith!  Look for the truth!  Express
 your views in an unbiased way!  (a slight rewording of the rules for
 editing).

 Everything is discussed in the open.

 Everyone is welcome to express their opinion.

 The leadership (all the way to the top) openly apologizes when mistakes
 are made.

 Rather than dig in and insist on continuing processes that don't work,
 people at WMF put their heads together and look for a different solution.
  Much like the point in the movie Apollo 13 when they discover that the
 air in the stranded capsule is slowly killing the astronauts.  The team is
 told to bring everything to a meeting that the astronauts have available
 inside the capsule.  They all come into the room shouting and pointing
 fingers at each other in an effort to lay blame regarding what went wrong.
  At some point Ed Harris, who plays the White Team Flight Director, yells,
 Let's just work the problem!  WMF is good at working the problem.

 When I reflect on the above, I ask, what if the entire world worked this
 way, or even half the world, or even just enough people to get us to the
 tipping point.  It would be powerful stuff.

 I don't intend to imply that we are looking at perfect - but then, life is
 not about perfection of action (we are after all human), it is about
 perfection of intention which is not that from assume good faith.

 Take good care, Amy

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 *Chief of Finance and Administration, Garfield Byrd*
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

[Richard Symonds]

Are charities in the UK prohibited from accepting donations to which any
form of restriction is attached?

No. It can be quite common.
On 23 Mar 2014 08:33, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote:

 On 3/23/2014 1:08 AM, Fæ wrote:

 On 23/03/2014, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com

 There isn't a legitimate basis for evaluating how the funds are spent
 other than A's desires and intentions. It's still a restricted gift, we
 can't pretend that this is money from general fundraising and decide it
 should have been spent in a way that better fits our priorities. Had the

 ...

 When I was getting legal advice on the issues of Wikimedia UK becoming
 a charity, one of the issues I had to bend my mind around was the tax
 implications of how the charity could provide grants to non-UK
 projects.

 It is not possible for a UK charity to offer restricted grants without
 risking having to pay tax as if they were paying for a profit making
 commercial service, rather than gifting money. For this reason the UK
 charity will only offer *unrestricted* grants, based on a published
 proposal from the non-UK organization that will spend the grant on
 charitable purposes. I have little doubt that the IRS rules are just
 as stringent, otherwise US charities would be frequently used as
 container companies for tax avoidance and money-laundering.

 I'm not sure why you're responding to a point about the Wikimedia
 Foundation in the role of receiving a grant, one that in this case did not
 require funds to be transferred outside their country of origin, with a
 hypothetical discussion about Wikimedia UK in the role of making a grant,
 in which the funds would be transferred between countries that would not
 necessarily have the same systems for taxation or charitable organizations.
 Are charities in the UK prohibited from accepting donations to which any
 form of restriction is attached?

 --Michael Snow


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] UC Berkeley hires Wikipedian in Residence

[Richard Symonds]

No, but it's the first paid one at a US educational institution I believe...
and possibly the first paid one worldwide at a traditional university.

But that doesn't change the impact that the position will have.
Congratulations!

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*


On 19 March 2014 12:57, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pine,

 This isn't the first paid Wikipedian-in-Residence position you know :)

 Russavia




 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

  This was covered by the Associated Press and a number of other news
  organizations. According to these stories UC Berkeley is the first US
  university to hire a WIR. I've seen WIR positions advertised at other US
  universities but this is the first paid position. Congrats to Kevin.
 
 
 
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/uc-berkeley-hires-first-wikipedian-in-residence/2014/03/18/16b5a556-aea4-11e3-b8b3-44b1d1cd4c1f_story.html
 
 
 
 http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2014/03/copyright/kevin-gorman-berkeleys-wikipedian-in-residence/
 
 
 
 http://www.mercurynews.com/education/ci_25364220/uc-berkeley-hires-first-wikipedian-residence
 
  I hope we'll see more universities taking this path. (:
 
  Pine
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

[Richard Symonds]

 One possible approach is certainly to choose a representative country
per language, and define freeness as only free in that country
specifically. So en.wiki's ambition is to be free only for Americans.
Perhaps es.wiki's goal will be to be free for Spaniards, and/or
Argentinians. de.wiki will be focused on freeness for Germans. etc. I think
that would be... suboptimal, though.

I agree that it would be suboptimal - most of the English speaking world
would be at a disadvantage then! You would also have to ask difficult
questions about Anglo Saxon, or Portuguese, where the language to country
link is not as clear.
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