Re: [AFMUG] Recommendation for fusion splicer and otdr

Are you looking for quality or cheap? Not being a dick. Im in the same position. We may fall into some fiber of note. We need the ability to troubleshoot/verify. And if somebody puts a backhoe to it we need to splice it. We dont want to drop 75k on great gear but we need to be sure that we can use

Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

Who are the principals now?  Are they prior employees? If I remember right  John was over sales. Also If I recollect  some employees went to work for CTI, and there was a squirmish over that with  prior mgmt. The StrataPro line that was released right before they closed up shop I don't see

Re: [AFMUG] OT Insurance Fraud?

I guess it depends on who is paying the contractor. If the money is yours to allocate I think I would go shopping. If the contract is between the insurance company and the contractor I would ask the insurance company to enforce their own contract or find a different contractor. Mark > On

Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Perhaps some type of supercap instead of a battery?That’s about the only way I could see truly fast charging time since you are not using a chemical reaction, just storing electrons.

Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

That's true. I read an article about that yesterday. The one I saw was a combination of local storage and solar plus grid. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > A while back I read that these new

Re: [AFMUG] Remote work

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Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

As far as I know, yes. This is what I heard. I hope they pull through it. Competition is never a bad thing. On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 8:25 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Daniel, I was scratching my head trying to figure out who is the Jim you > referred to. Is this Jim Bertram, did Bertram Internet

Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

A while back I read that these new stations would have local storage of some sort. That would limit the short term grid impact. On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:15 PM Bill Prince wrote: > They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to 350KW, > but would "typically" run in the 200KW

Re: [AFMUG] OT Insurance Fraud?

Sounds a lot like the BS in health insurance these days.Well, we negotiated a rate with your insurance company for services, and you can only use us, but we don’t make enough on the contract we negotiated so we are going to balance bill you for our profit that we didn’t make while locking

Re: [AFMUG] OT Insurance Fraud?

20% sounds normal for a general contractor. Neighbors trying to get small remodeling jobs done tell me the market is so good right now the contractors only want big projects like $100K+ and flat-out tell people they don't want the smaller jobs. Not sure if that's what you are running into, or

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber - Rural Electric Co-Ops

It happens :) We have a local cableco and of course the telcos. We also have 2 fiber carriers that so happen to pass right in front of our office and one made us a hub in their fiber ring so we able to get exchange in dallas if needed. The competitor side of things is that our own Chamber

Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

I heard they had issues with getting some specific chip for this line. This was after the product was already developed. The Apex Lynx product has been rock solid for us, not one issue in several years vs the apex plus (wavelab heads) was crap. Its going to be tough for them to come back after

Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

I guess it’s good to see Ray back, how many times has he been laid off and rehired now by Trango? I wonder where he goes in the interim? You’d think a more stable microwave company would hire him. Any guess if “Z” is still in the picture? If they sold off the assets, probably not?

Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

Daniel, I was scratching my head trying to figure out who is the Jim you referred to. Is this Jim Bertram, did Bertram Internet (also in Random Lake, WI) buy the Trango assets? Bertram of course also owning Powercode. From: AF On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 11:15

Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

If you’re talking the 6/11/18/23 GHz StrataPro, I think that may have been vaporware/brochureware. Did anyone ever see an actual working piece of hardware? I think the plan may have been to base it on the same Broadcom chipset we are now seeing in radios from vendors like Aviat. I remember

Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Ultracaps sound great because you can put charge in them super fast. You can also discharge them super fast.  I don't know what a short on a 100kwh equivalent capacitor would look like.  Probably looks like a bomb. On 3/5/2019 10:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Perhaps some type of supercap

Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

maybe like this? https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/strongest-indoor-magnetic-field-blows-doors-tokyo-lab-180970436/ On 03/05/2019 07:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Ultracaps sound great because you can put charge in them super fast. You can also discharge them super fast. I don't know

Re: [AFMUG] OT Insurance Fraud?

I’m ok with moving the money to the company from insurance, but I don’t want shoddy work and I don’t want to pay extra plus extra on top of things when I run a bit over on some of the budget line items. We’ll see what they come back with now that they have our items and calculate the overage.

Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber

Out of curiosity, What does a 96 count terminate to at each end? Would you go into just a big wall of pigtails or what. Not being a smart ass here, I really dont know how you would manage that volume of fibers coming in the wall On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:33 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > Both? Still

Re: [AFMUG] OT Insurance Fraud?

Very strange not to provide an itemized bill. If nothing else, most remodeling projects involve at least one modification request from the homeowner during the project. How are you going to bill the customer for the extra work or materials if you’re not itemizing? Also in my experience

Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Seems like fast charging would be more of an issue for trucks, police cars, taxis, etc. that can’t be off the road charging for 4-8 hours because they’re not making money when they’re charging. If someone is really concerned about recharging their luxury supercar in 4 minutes because

Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Well, it's kind of a necessary thing to make electric vehicles into a true replacement for gas. For 99% of what we do with cars, needing to recharge for 4-8 hours every 300 miles or so, really isn't a problem... you drive to work, drive home, plug it back in and tomorrow it's ready to go again.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Insurance Fraud?

Depending on what needs to be done, if there’s going to be $7K in overhead and profit just to sub it out, maybe ask if you could hire the subcontractors and do the paperwork yourself for that. Pocket the difference, or use it to upgrade the materials. That assumes the insurance company is

Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

Looks like that was the 24 GHz “small cell backhaul” product, which is the one they had at their booth. That may have actually existed or even shipped to customers, I don’t know. From: AF On Behalf Of Tim Withrow via AF Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 9:12 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Tim

Re: [AFMUG] OT Insurance Fraud?

There is actually a estimation program built for the insurance industry for Fire/Flood rehab and remodeling. In my experience, the entire industry is very murky and the people ('General' contractors, as in the 'owner' of the job) are just as murky. I worked for a Contractor just out of high

Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

This is the article I saw: https://electrek.co/2019/03/03/tesla-supercharger-v3/ -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 7:56 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Seems like fast charging would be more of an issue for trucks, police > cars, taxis, etc. that can’t be off the road charging

Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Do something like mid-air refueling. A truck with a huge battery pack pulls up beside you on the highway and recharges your car while you drive. Eliminates the need to build recharging stations everywhere. And since your million dollar electric supercar no doubt has self driving, you don’t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Insurance Fraud?

One of the computer programs is called Exactimate. I have a freind that was an insurance adjuster. They get paid, for the most part, on a percentager basis. They try to be as liberal as they can justify without spending all day fighting for you. I know a guy that owns a Service Master business in

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

Not sure what you mean by 1:1. Bill Prince wrote: Are there 110 blocks that are 1:1? bp On 3/5/2019 12:05 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: If you want it sort of standards compliant then you may be able to use a 110 block as a splice of sorts. Bill Prince wrote: I made this off-topic because this

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check

That sounds backward. I'm pretty sure you want + to +, and - to -. I thought your question was going to be which side to connect to ground. I think you can maybe leave it floating, although I tend to dislike floating power supplies, you might have to ask Cambium support about that one.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check

No. No. No. The 48 volt supply is probably floating. Meaning neither + or - is tied to chassis ground. You must check this first. If it has its negative terminal electrically connected to the chassis it will make it very difficult to power a -48 radio. If it has its + terminal tied to

Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber

hehe 96, what about a 864 or 3456 count :) On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 11:44 AM Chris Fabien wrote: > Usually a rack mount patch & splice panel. Big box with 96 connectors on > the front and room for splice trays in the back. > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 1:55 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> Out of

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

https://www.amazon.com/SF-Cable-Junction-Punch-listed/dp/B0059DRCGI On 3/5/2019 2:21 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Where there are pairs of 110 blocks side-by-side, and a PCB in between that connect block1-pin1 to block2-pin1, etc. bp

Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber

i cant count that high but i would like to see that volume terminated. Off the termination subject though, what are the logistics on 10 miles of ducted fiber? Is it blown the whole ten miles in a single shot or spliced at the intermediate handholes? Im trying to understand how handholes come in

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check

You would want to do more than an ohmmeter test. Power it up and see if you get –48 between the ground lug and the – leg. From: Nate Burke Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check The 820 has

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

Ah. I've never seen 110 blocks without the metal inserts. So the "connector block" allows two cables to essentially be spliced together? bp On 3/5/2019 12:30 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: This is what I was thinking.   If you go to the 4:57 mark you'll see where the cable in and cable out comes in

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check

Radio is powered on Red Voltmeter lead on -  Black Voltmeter lead on Ground Lug. Meter reports -48v On 3/5/2019 2:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: You would want to do more than an ohmmeter test. Power it up and see if you get –48 between the ground lug and the – leg. *From:* Nate Burke *Sent:*

[AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

I made this off-topic because this is a mod I'm making in my own home. Many, many years ago, before I got into the wireless broadband business, I added structured wiring at our house. This was before Open House, Leviton, and others were making patch panels. In the corner of a back room, I put

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

Are there 110 blocks that are 1:1? bp On 3/5/2019 12:05 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: If you want it sort of standards compliant then you may be able to use a 110 block as a splice of sorts. Bill Prince wrote: I made this off-topic because this is a mod I'm making in my own home. Many, many

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check

yes but if the psu has a case ground and the 820 has a case ground and the two have a ground path, you will short. On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 11:45 AM Nate Burke wrote: > I have a 48VDC Power supply with + and - Terminals > > The 820 Radio has a DC Power port with + and - Terminals > > The 820

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

For my house (I actually have a couple short runs i need to do this with) Id check the punchdown on the leviton, those had a habit of losing theit tightess if they get moved much and either reterminate it to a keystone and then terminate an rj45 on on end of the extension and keystone on the other

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

Where there are pairs of 110 blocks side-by-side, and a PCB in between that connect block1-pin1 to block2-pin1, etc. bp On 3/5/2019 12:13 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: Not sure what you mean by 1:1. Bill Prince wrote: Are there 110 blocks that are 1:1? bp On 3/5/2019 12:05 PM, Jay Weekley

Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber

Usually they'll never blow more than 1-2 miles, then splice the separate pieces together. On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 2:28 PM Steve Jones wrote: > i cant count that high > > but i would like to see that volume terminated. > > Off the termination subject though, what are the logistics on 10 miles of

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

Those look sweet as molasses. Rory McCann wrote: https://www.amazon.com/SF-Cable-Junction-Punch-listed/dp/B0059DRCGI On 3/5/2019 2:21 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Where there are pairs of 110 blocks side-by-side, and a PCB in between that connect block1-pin1 to block2-pin1, etc. bp On

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

you could do the apc slot surge protectors and make it look like you intended it this way On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 3:37 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > https://www.bestlinknetware.com/Search/ProductSearch?strInput=110+coupler > > Or just use a 110 and C clips. > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 1:50 PM Bill

[AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check

I have a 48VDC Power supply with + and - Terminals The 820 Radio has a DC Power port with + and - Terminals The 820 radio is expecting -48V To get -48V to the 820 Radio The + of the power supply goes to the - of the radio and the - of the power supply goes to the + of the radio? -- AF

Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber

Usually a rack mount patch & splice panel. Big box with 96 connectors on the front and room for splice trays in the back. On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 1:55 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Out of curiosity, What does a 96 count terminate to at each end? Would you > go into just a big wall of pigtails or what.

[AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

Does anyone here have an example of a proposal used to sell your network or part of your network? You can provide it offline if necessary. [I'm in a position where the local government is actually overbuilding my WISP network with a FTTH network. My projections show I'm going to lose the business

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

Devils advocate. Why would they buy it if all the customers will just move over? I wouldn’t be so sure they will all leave. If you treat them right and aren’t gouging them on price many will probably lot stay. > On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:19 PM, wrote: > > So much per customer. I would say

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check

The 820 floats roland From: AF On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 3:17 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check yes but if the psu has a case ground and the 820 has a case ground and the two have a ground path,

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check

It's always + to + in all cases.  You'd never go + to -. There are competing standards about what /color/ wires you should use, but it's always plus to plus. The difference is only in whether there's a connection to ground. The main thing for us is don't mix the two.  If you have +V and -V

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check

Yes. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:22 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check It is a floating power supply, neither + or - on the power supply is tied to ground. So + on the Power supply to + on the

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

Yes. They are usually used for phone systems but you've got "make chicken salad out of chicken feathers" type of situation. I've never seen them used in your situation but my guess is it should work. If you ran Cat 6 you would need a 210 block instead. Bill Prince wrote: Ah. I've never

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

https://www.bestlinknetware.com/Search/ProductSearch?strInput=110+coupler Or just use a 110 and C clips. On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 1:50 PM Bill Prince wrote: > I made this off-topic because this is a mod I'm making in my own home. > > Many, many years ago, before I got into the wireless

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

If you want it sort of standards compliant then you may be able to use a 110 block as a splice of sorts. Bill Prince wrote: I made this off-topic because this is a mod I'm making in my own home. Many, many years ago, before I got into the wireless broadband business, I added structured

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

So much per customer. I would say $500-$2000 depending on the number of subs, the type of equipment and the part of the country. $1000/ sub is a low starting point. From: Christopher Gray Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:11 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Examples

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check

It is a floating power supply, neither + or - on the power supply is tied to ground. So + on the Power supply to + on the radio, and - on the power supply to - on the radio? On 3/5/2019 2:17 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: No.  No. No. The 48 volt supply is probably floating.  Meaning neither +

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending patch panel cables 2'

This is what I was thinking. If you go to the 4:57 mark you'll see where the cable in and cable out comes in to play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV3BwD2Klfg Bill Prince wrote: Where there are pairs of 110 blocks side-by-side, and a PCB in between that connect block1-pin1 to

Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber

The big problem is friction. Hard to blow more than about 10,000’ in one stretch. The blower gets slower and slower an finally comes to a halt. If you set up in the middle of the stretch, you can blow one direction and then use a fig 8 machine to pull the remainder off the reel and start

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check

No smoke, no smell, right...? From: Nate Burke Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 2:40 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check Radio is powered on Red Voltmeter lead on - Black Voltmeter lead on Ground Lug. Meter reports -48v On 3/5/2019

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820 DC Power Sanity Check

I’ll have to check, but I’m about 80% sure I’ve powered a PTP820 via a GIGE-APC-POE using a 48 VDC power supply that had the negative side grounded. I don’t think I’ve ever used-48VDC except for some WiMAX gear and Trango ApexPlus. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

I'm with Matt. I don't know what your projections are based on but when I did research to replace my WISP network with a fiber one in a small town the take rate as expressed by existing customers was so low it didn't make sense. Maybe 5% expressed a desire to switch regardless of price and only

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

Would it make more sense to inquire about an arrangement where you could resell the FTTH service to your current customers? Assumption being that you would get a lower wholesale price that you could mark up to the same retail price, also probably some arrangement where you would do part of

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

“…maybe they want it as a warm boot to their FTTH plans”… This is one of the angles I’m going for. They could start getting revenue now and reduce the tax burden. I may survey the customers to get a sense of whether people would stay, but the town is doing a good job of marketing their

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

And even worse trying run then one they are substantially complete. On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 5:39 PM wrote: > Muni fiber has a lousy track record of actually completing functional > networks. > > *From:* Christopher Gray > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 5, 2019 4:26 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

I’m not necessarily expecting them to buy… but they definitely won’t buy if I don’t ask. I’m not necessarily expecting everyone to leave, but if I lose 75% I won’t be able to sustain the rest. The big trick here is that I have a contract to use a town building for part of the network.

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

I’ve made several inquiries. Originally, I was on the bid list to actually be the ISP on the network, but they went municipal to skip the bidding process (the committee decided it would be easier to do, and I understand their perspective). They are not allowing any other interaction with

Re: [AFMUG] Remote work

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Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

Muni fiber has a lousy track record of actually completing functional networks. From: Christopher Gray Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 4:26 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network? I’ve made several inquiries. Originally, I was on

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

And if they think they can do it in a year, bet that it will take them at least 3 years. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 3:50 PM Lewis Bergman wrote: > And even worse trying run then one they are substantially complete. > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 5:39 PM wrote: > >>

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

Of course, this doesn't account for their extreme ineptitude. Maybe some clause that had a minimum based on your growth or churn rate or something. On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 6:59 PM Craig House wrote: > That seems to me like a winning plan. If they take a lot longer to build > out than they think,

Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber

You can do 32:1 splits on 20km and still have plenty of light energy left over. Very good system margins on fiber as opposed to RF. Splices are free if you own the machine. There is a bit of money for the heat shrink, splice trays and cases etc, but really each burn is essentially just the

[AFMUG] OT Movie Review / Warning

Finding Neverland. As many thumbs down down down as you can find. I do not consider myself a prude in any way, but I could not even get part way through the first part. Do yourself a favor and avoid the mental/psychic trauma. They present material that you do NOT want in your brain. -- AF

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

i.e. Google. Wait till AT*T gets their fingers into the pie... On 03/05/2019 04:11 PM, Bill Prince wrote: And if they think they can do it in a year, bet that it will take them at least 3 years. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 3:50 PM Lewis Bergman

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

How about this. Offer to sell them your assets in that area for $1 plus 50% of all revenue from wireless customers until they are converted to fiber. One month assistance with taking over the network, after that they pay $X per hour if they need help. They would take over all costs including

Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

Yeah, I was going to point this out too.  If your town succeeds at this, then they are either smarter than an average town government or they're very lucky. Have they actually hung any fiber yet?  Does the town own the poles, or are they owned by the electric and phone company?  I bet they

[AFMUG] Recommendation for fusion splicer and otdr

Looking for a decent Chinese splicer and otdr, looking at orientek for splicer not sure for otdr. Should I be looking for something second hand quality stuff instead of cheapo eBay? Just looking to get some basic stuff to get my hands dirty, splicer, identifier , light meter, otdr , cleave and