Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Josh Reynolds]

Eh, the Brothers WISP slack and mine as well pull in the firmware updates
and changelogs, but that's just an extra and not their primary purposes.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 12:44 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Sorry, beta, not support, poor word choice. Even worse for a beta log
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 12:33 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> Using slack for support seems dumb. It's not the right tool for that.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 12:28 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Get powercode, get on that junk support slack. May be end user lack of
>>> use, but i dropped the mikrotik run because its such trash for support
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:58 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 Huh - what are you talking bout?  Slack is certainly threaded.

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:20 PM, Steve Jones <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Non threaded, limited "free" history, utterly useless for multipronged
> projects, its only good for fanbois
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:11 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in
>> slack channels with hundreds of users.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode
>>> uses it now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Slack, Ryver

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server.
> Spark with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your 
> account
> from one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent 
> license for
> my client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You 
> dont
> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i 
> control
> our users and log the communication
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband 
> wrote:
>
>> Slack
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>>
>> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites,
>> what's available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically 
>> so I can
>> send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through 
>> email
>> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im
>> offers a
>> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that
>> there was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Steve Jones]

Sorry, beta, not support, poor word choice. Even worse for a beta log

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 12:33 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Using slack for support seems dumb. It's not the right tool for that.
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 12:28 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Get powercode, get on that junk support slack. May be end user lack of
>> use, but i dropped the mikrotik run because its such trash for support
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:58 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Huh - what are you talking bout?  Slack is certainly threaded.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:20 PM, Steve Jones >> > wrote:
>>>
 Non threaded, limited "free" history, utterly useless for multipronged
 projects, its only good for fanbois

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:11 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in
> slack channels with hundreds of users.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode
>> uses it now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Slack, Ryver
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server.
 Spark with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your 
 account
 from one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent 
 license for
 my client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You 
 dont
 have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i 
 control
 our users and log the communication

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband 
 wrote:

> Slack
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>
> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites,
> what's available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so 
> I can
> send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im
> offers a
> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that
> there was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>
> Nate
>
>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Josh Reynolds]

Using slack for support seems dumb. It's not the right tool for that.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 12:28 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Get powercode, get on that junk support slack. May be end user lack of
> use, but i dropped the mikrotik run because its such trash for support
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:58 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Huh - what are you talking bout?  Slack is certainly threaded.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:20 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Non threaded, limited "free" history, utterly useless for multipronged
>>> projects, its only good for fanbois
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:11 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in
 slack channels with hundreds of users.

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode uses
> it now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Slack, Ryver
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server.
>>> Spark with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your 
>>> account
>>> from one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license 
>>> for
>>> my client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You 
>>> dont
>>> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i 
>>> control
>>> our users and log the communication
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Slack

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
 To: Animal Farm 
 Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

 With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites,
 what's available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so 
 I can
 send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
 while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im
 offers a
 service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that
 there was a $10 minimum somewhere.

 Nate


>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Josh Reynolds]

Using slack for support seems dumb. It's not the right tool for that.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 12:28 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Get powercode, get on that junk support slack. May be end user lack of
> use, but i dropped the mikrotik run because its such trash for support
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:58 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Huh - what are you talking bout?  Slack is certainly threaded.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:20 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Non threaded, limited "free" history, utterly useless for multipronged
>>> projects, its only good for fanbois
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:11 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in
 slack channels with hundreds of users.

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode uses
> it now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Slack, Ryver
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server.
>>> Spark with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your 
>>> account
>>> from one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license 
>>> for
>>> my client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You 
>>> dont
>>> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i 
>>> control
>>> our users and log the communication
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Slack

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
 To: Animal Farm 
 Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

 With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites,
 what's available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so 
 I can
 send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
 while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im
 offers a
 service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that
 there was a $10 minimum somewhere.

 Nate


>>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Steve Jones]

We wont do it, period, no conduit, no service, that simple

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 11:12 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> *Lay conduit for cable
>
> We've had enough good-quality direct bury ethernet cable damaged (by
> animals or ice etc) that now we tell customers that if it is not in a pipe,
> expect it to get damaged and stop working.
> On Apr 11, 2018 12:01 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
>> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>>
>> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>>> the sod.
>>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Steve Jones]

Get powercode, get on that junk support slack. May be end user lack of use,
but i dropped the mikrotik run because its such trash for support

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:58 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Huh - what are you talking bout?  Slack is certainly threaded.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:20 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Non threaded, limited "free" history, utterly useless for multipronged
>> projects, its only good for fanbois
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:11 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>>> What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in
>>> slack channels with hundreds of users.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode uses
 it now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> Slack, Ryver
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server.
>> Spark with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your 
>> account
>> from one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license 
>> for
>> my client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You 
>> dont
>> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i control
>> our users and log the communication
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>
>>> Slack
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>>>
>>> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites,
>>> what's available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I 
>>> can
>>> send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
>>> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers
>>> a
>>> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that
>>> there was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>>>
>>> Nate
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Steve Jones]

Openfire is awesome, just limited to one client login per user at a time

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:56 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Not to mention it integrates with anything and has an easy to use API.
> It's trivial to hack together some quick code to pull in alerts from
> various tools, use it to monitor messages to your businesses social media
> accounts and notifications, etc.
>
> It's not perfect, but it's pretty good.
>
> I don't like that if you are disconnected when you send a message that it
> won't keep retrying. Google Hangouts is good about that, but sucks terribly
> for anything else.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:53 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> Multiple chat rooms, saves 10k messages per channel, Google drive /
>> Dropbox integration, THREADED CHAT
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:20 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Non threaded, limited "free" history, utterly useless for multipronged
>>> projects, its only good for fanbois
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:11 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in
 slack channels with hundreds of users.

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode uses
> it now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Slack, Ryver
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server.
>>> Spark with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your 
>>> account
>>> from one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license 
>>> for
>>> my client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You 
>>> dont
>>> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i 
>>> control
>>> our users and log the communication
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Slack

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
 To: Animal Farm 
 Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

 With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites,
 what's available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so 
 I can
 send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
 while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im
 offers a
 service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that
 there was a $10 minimum somewhere.

 Nate

[AFMUG] Did I ruin summer animal farm?

[TJ Trout]

I just got my lazy ass around to registering and the event is canceled :(
Did I miss the notice :) Oh wait I wasn't registered...

I was really excited about AF back in Utah, small again, Feel like an idiot
for procrastinating on the registration!

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 18V component LEDs buffer reqmnt...

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Really depends on the LED.

The purpose of having the LEDs opposite polarity of each other is that LEDs
have a finite reverse voltage limit.   By placing them back to back the
'on' led protects the 'off' led from getting too much voltage, since the
'on' led will be limiting the voltage to whatever it's forward voltage is
(usually a couple of volts).  Once the first LED failed, there is a good
chance that the second one failed due to the first one not protecting it
from reverse voltage.

See
http://www1.futureelectronics.com/doc/EVERLIGHT%C2%A0/334-15__T1C1-4WYA.pdf
as an example, totally random datasheet for a white LED (just the first one
on google).

For this particular LED, you shouldn't exceed 5V in the reverse direction,
so putting a second one in the forward direction would limit this to 3.6v
(I'm ignoring the fact that this particular diode seems to be protected
from reverse overvoltage).

According to the datasheet you can do 30mA on average, so you should limit
to this currrent.  As chuck said, 20mA is probably safe for most LEDS,
although some might need more to get the rated display power.   One note is
that you can probably do 60mA when driving it with AC, since it's an
average value.

18VAC RMS is equivalent power to 18VDC, so using that plugging into a
resistor calculator  (
http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/led-resistor-calculator ), says that a 600
ohm resistor will get you around 25mA, which should be fine *for this
particular LED*.

A higher value one will be dimmer but the LED will likely last longer.

My method for doing this type of repair would be to get the brightest led
you can find at 20mA, then adjust the resistor until it is a reasonable
brightness.   This will reduce power consumption and make the led last
longer.   Be mindful that the resistor may need to be a fairly high power
one, depending on how much voltage you're dropping and how much current is
being drawn.   (Multiply the resistor value times the current squared
(W=(I^2)*R), being mindful of units.  In the case stated, you'd need around
a half-watt resistor, and I'd probably make sure I was using a 1W or 2W one
just for safety).

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> We have an electric gate for our little neighborhood. The keypad uses a
> little circuit board with a pair of white LEDs mounted on a tiny circuit
> board to light the keypad. The little circuit board is connected to a 16VAC
> transformer through a 600 ohm resister.
>
> One LED is forward biased, and the other is backward biased. So I assume
> they alternate lighting up as they get juice from the transformer. Well,
> both LEDs are done, finny, kaput.
>
> What I'm wondering is if I can put a new pair of 12V LEDs in this circuit
> and whether the 600 ohm resister is enough to protect them from the ~~
> 18VAC that is coming through the transformer? Or should I put in a bigger
> resister? I have no idea how much forward current an LED can handle.
>
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 11FX fun

[Mathew Howard]

I don't see any reason why not, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea to
turn them on without any antennas connected.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Hey Kool Kats ... kopacetic...yeah..I will be installing 4 11GHz AirFiber
> links next week with three high band and one low band as per FCC licenses.
> Duplexors will be shipped to us on site next week , so since I have never
> configured these before, can I set them up without duplexors?  From
> pictures, looks like all frequencies are assigned in radio and the
> duplexors are just passive.  Thoughts?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Colin Stanners]

*Lay conduit for cable

We've had enough good-quality direct bury ethernet cable damaged (by
animals or ice etc) that now we tell customers that if it is not in a pipe,
expect it to get damaged and stop working.
On Apr 11, 2018 12:01 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>
> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>> the sod.
>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 11FX fun

[Jaime Solorza]

Thanks

Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 10:09 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Yes they are passive.
>
> At really low transmit power I'd imagine that the radios would work fine
> "next to each other" without duplexers or antennas attached. At high tx
> power you may fry the transmitters, or even receivers due to enough leakage
> between the unconnected TX RPSMA and RX RPSMA.
> On Apr 12, 2018 10:19 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Kool Kats ... kopacetic...yeah..I will be installing 4 11GHz AirFiber
>> links next week with three high band and one low band as per FCC licenses.
>> Duplexors will be shipped to us on site next week , so since I have never
>> configured these before, can I set them up without duplexors?  From
>> pictures, looks like all frequencies are assigned in radio and the
>> duplexors are just passive.  Thoughts?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 11FX fun

[Colin Stanners]

Yes they are passive.

At really low transmit power I'd imagine that the radios would work fine
"next to each other" without duplexers or antennas attached. At high tx
power you may fry the transmitters, or even receivers due to enough leakage
between the unconnected TX RPSMA and RX RPSMA.
On Apr 12, 2018 10:19 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Hey Kool Kats ... kopacetic...yeah..I will be installing 4 11GHz AirFiber
> links next week with three high band and one low band as per FCC licenses.
> Duplexors will be shipped to us on site next week , so since I have never
> configured these before, can I set them up without duplexors?  From
> pictures, looks like all frequencies are assigned in radio and the
> duplexors are just passive.  Thoughts?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

[AFMUG] AirFiber 11FX fun

[Jaime Solorza]

Hey Kool Kats ... kopacetic...yeah..I will be installing 4 11GHz AirFiber
links next week with three high band and one low band as per FCC licenses.
Duplexors will be shipped to us on site next week , so since I have never
configured these before, can I set them up without duplexors?  From
pictures, looks like all frequencies are assigned in radio and the
duplexors are just passive.  Thoughts?

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Josh Baird]

Huh - what are you talking bout?  Slack is certainly threaded.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:20 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Non threaded, limited "free" history, utterly useless for multipronged
> projects, its only good for fanbois
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:11 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in
>> slack channels with hundreds of users.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode uses
>>> it now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Slack, Ryver

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server.
> Spark with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your 
> account
> from one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license 
> for
> my client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You dont
> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i control
> our users and log the communication
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
>> Slack
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>>
>> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites,
>> what's available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I 
>> can
>> send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
>> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers
>> a
>> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that
>> there was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Josh Reynolds]

Not to mention it integrates with anything and has an easy to use API. It's
trivial to hack together some quick code to pull in alerts from various
tools, use it to monitor messages to your businesses social media accounts
and notifications, etc.

It's not perfect, but it's pretty good.

I don't like that if you are disconnected when you send a message that it
won't keep retrying. Google Hangouts is good about that, but sucks terribly
for anything else.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:53 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Multiple chat rooms, saves 10k messages per channel, Google drive /
> Dropbox integration, THREADED CHAT
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:20 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Non threaded, limited "free" history, utterly useless for multipronged
>> projects, its only good for fanbois
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:11 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>>> What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in
>>> slack channels with hundreds of users.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode uses
 it now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> Slack, Ryver
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server.
>> Spark with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your 
>> account
>> from one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license 
>> for
>> my client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You 
>> dont
>> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i control
>> our users and log the communication
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>
>>> Slack
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>>>
>>> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites,
>>> what's available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I 
>>> can
>>> send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
>>> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers
>>> a
>>> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that
>>> there was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>>>
>>> Nate
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Josh Reynolds]

Multiple chat rooms, saves 10k messages per channel, Google drive / Dropbox
integration, THREADED CHAT

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:20 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Non threaded, limited "free" history, utterly useless for multipronged
> projects, its only good for fanbois
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:11 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in
>> slack channels with hundreds of users.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode uses
>>> it now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Slack, Ryver

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server.
> Spark with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your 
> account
> from one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license 
> for
> my client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You dont
> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i control
> our users and log the communication
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
>> Slack
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>>
>> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites,
>> what's available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I 
>> can
>> send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
>> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers
>> a
>> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that
>> there was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Unless you pay for it...At least that's what I understand to be the case.




On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Non threaded, limited "free" history, utterly useless for multipronged
> projects, its only good for fanbois
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:11 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in
>> slack channels with hundreds of users.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode uses
>>> it now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Slack, Ryver

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server.
> Spark with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your 
> account
> from one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license 
> for
> my client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You dont
> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i control
> our users and log the communication
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
>> Slack
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>>
>> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites,
>> what's available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I 
>> can
>> send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
>> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers
>> a
>> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that
>> there was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] AirOS partial config?

[Steve Jones]

Key requirements changed i believe. I still dump ours in without issue, but
thats air routers and nanostations. Ill take a look tommorrow if im not too
hungover

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:47 PM George Skorup 
wrote:

> Yeah... except it doesn't work, at least on 6.1.6. Pull out the stuff I
> don't want to overwrite, upload the file and... SSID, WPA2 key, traffic
> shaping, device name, etc. all gone. They just go to factory default
> values. Except for what's in the config file, VLANs, bridges, etc. Not very
> helpful. This is friggin stupid.
>
> On 4/12/2018 7:57 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Thata why you pull everything youre not changing
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 5:09 PM George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Ugh. This is what was tripping me up:
>>
>> radio.1.status=enabled
>> radio.status=enabled
>>
>> has to be in the config file or the very vague "invalid" crap comes up.
>>
>> Lame.
>>
>> On 4/12/2018 4:14 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> I want in on that
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:12 PM George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The config file definitely has unix formatting, which is why I'm editing
>>> it with vi.
>>>
>>> I don't want this to end up changing the SSIDs, WPA keys, device names,
>>> etc. So I strip out those elements, save, upload and I get Invalid
>>> configuration file structure.
>>>
>>> And yes, I'm using the upload configuration button right below the
>>> download configuration button.
>>>
>>> I'm bout to get my .308 out and shoot these things off the towers.
>>>
>>> On 4/11/2018 10:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you use regular notepad? That fiddles with text configs sometimes,
>>> notepad++ does not
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:56 PM George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Management and data VLANs.
 Management address from static to DHCP. I was thinking this would qualify
 as some pretty basic changes. Apparently not.

 We upgraded everything to 6.1.6. I set up an NSM5, downloaded the
 backup and stripped the device-specific stuff. Go import it and it says
 invalid. WTF. I don't know. I'll screw with it more tomorrow.

 On 4/11/2018 10:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 For those with simple configs it's probably fine.

 If you have several interfaces and vlans per CPE with a few bridges,
 it's more of a pain (from experience).

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:29 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> All the config file does is populate the listed fields. Anything not
> listed it doesnt change. Thats why you have to apply it but you can edit 
> it
> still after loading it. Id pull a fresh config file from one of the units
> and edit it, removing anything you dont want changed. It could just be a
> change in a field name
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:26 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure how you would use a partial config... I think that it
>> would just use defaults for anything that was missing.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:56 PM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A partial config? Never tried it. Dunno what some defaults are, and
>>> there are things hidden in the config file that aren't in the webui.
>>>
>>> Config also seems to change things from time to time.
>>>
>>> Also config order is sometimes important depending on what you are
>>> doing.
>>>
>>> (This is just what I remember from 5.2.1-5.8.x days)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:21 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It should

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:10 PM George Skorup <
 george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> ePMP has spoiled me. Am I stupid, or will airOS 6.1.x not take a
> partial
> config? I just want to change a couple things on several hundred
> radios.
> And no, I'm not interested in AirControl or UNMS.
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Steve Jones]

Non threaded, limited "free" history, utterly useless for multipronged
projects, its only good for fanbois

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:11 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in slack
> channels with hundreds of users.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode uses it
>> now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>>> Slack, Ryver
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server. Spark
 with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your account from
 one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license for my
 client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You dont
 have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i control
 our users and log the communication

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Slack
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>
> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites,
> what's available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I 
> can
> send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers a
> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that there
> was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>
> Nate
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AirOS partial config?

[Robert]

Maybe a session of that would have gotten the attendance up for Chucks 

On 4/12/18 2:14 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I want in on that

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:12 PM George Skorup > wrote:


The config file definitely has unix formatting, which is why I'm
editing it with vi.

I don't want this to end up changing the SSIDs, WPA keys, device
names, etc. So I strip out those elements, save, upload and I
get Invalid configuration file structure.

And yes, I'm using the upload configuration button right below the
download configuration button.

I'm bout to get my .308 out and shoot these things off the towers.

On 4/11/2018 10:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Did you use regular notepad? That fiddles with text configs
sometimes, notepad++ does not

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:56 PM George Skorup
> wrote:

Yeah that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Management and data
VLANs. Management address from static to DHCP. I was thinking
this would qualify as some pretty basic changes. Apparently not.

We upgraded everything to 6.1.6. I set up an NSM5, downloaded
the backup and stripped the device-specific stuff. Go import
it and it says invalid. WTF. I don't know. I'll screw with it
more tomorrow.

On 4/11/2018 10:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

For those with simple configs it's probably fine.

If you have several interfaces and vlans per CPE with a few
bridges, it's more of a pain (from experience).

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:29 PM Steve Jones
> wrote:

All the config file does is populate the listed fields.
Anything not listed it doesnt change. Thats why you have
to apply it but you can edit it still after loading it.
Id pull a fresh config file from one of the units and
edit it, removing anything you dont want changed. It
could just be a change in a field name

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:26 PM Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I'm not sure how you would use a partial config... I
think that it would just use defaults for anything
that was missing.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:56 PM Josh Reynolds
>
wrote:

A partial config? Never tried it. Dunno what some
defaults are, and there are things hidden in the
config file that aren't in the webui.

Config also seems to change things from time to time.

Also config order is sometimes important
depending on what you are doing.

(This is just what I remember from 5.2.1-5.8.x days)

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:21 PM Steve Jones
> wrote:

It should

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:10 PM George Skorup
> wrote:

ePMP has spoiled me. Am I stupid, or will
airOS 6.1.x not take a partial
config? I just want to change a couple
things on several hundred radios.
And no, I'm not interested in AirControl
or UNMS.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 18V component LEDs buffer reqmnt...

[Chuck McCown]

20mA is a safe assumption

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> We have an electric gate for our little neighborhood. The keypad uses a 
> little circuit board with a pair of white LEDs mounted on a tiny circuit 
> board to light the keypad. The little circuit board is connected to a 16VAC 
> transformer through a 600 ohm resister.
> 
> One LED is forward biased, and the other is backward biased. So I assume they 
> alternate lighting up as they get juice from the transformer. Well, both LEDs 
> are done, finny, kaput.
> 
> What I'm wondering is if I can put a new pair of 12V LEDs in this circuit and 
> whether the 600 ohm resister is enough to protect them from the ~~ 18VAC that 
> is coming through the transformer? Or should I put in a bigger resister? I 
> have no idea how much forward current an LED can handle.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> bp
> 
> 

[AFMUG] OT: 18V component LEDs buffer reqmnt...

[Bill Prince]

We have an electric gate for our little neighborhood. The keypad uses a 
little circuit board with a pair of white LEDs mounted on a tiny circuit 
board to light the keypad. The little circuit board is connected to a 
16VAC transformer through a 600 ohm resister.


One LED is forward biased, and the other is backward biased. So I assume 
they alternate lighting up as they get juice from the transformer. Well, 
both LEDs are done, finny, kaput.


What I'm wondering is if I can put a new pair of 12V LEDs in this 
circuit and whether the 600 ohm resister is enough to protect them from 
the ~~ 18VAC that is coming through the transformer? Or should I put in 
a bigger resister? I have no idea how much forward current an LED can 
handle.



--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] AirOS partial config?

[George Skorup]

Yeah... except it doesn't work, at least on 6.1.6. Pull out the stuff I 
don't want to overwrite, upload the file and... SSID, WPA2 key, traffic 
shaping, device name, etc. all gone. They just go to factory default 
values. Except for what's in the config file, VLANs, bridges, etc. Not 
very helpful. This is friggin stupid.


On 4/12/2018 7:57 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Thata why you pull everything youre not changing

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 5:09 PM George Skorup > wrote:


Ugh. This is what was tripping me up:

radio.1.status=enabled
radio.status=enabled

has to be in the config file or the very vague "invalid" crap
comes up.

Lame.

On 4/12/2018 4:14 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I want in on that

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:12 PM George Skorup
> wrote:

The config file definitely has unix formatting, which is why
I'm editing it with vi.

I don't want this to end up changing the SSIDs, WPA keys,
device names, etc. So I strip out those elements, save,
upload and I get Invalid configuration file structure.

And yes, I'm using the upload configuration button right
below the download configuration button.

I'm bout to get my .308 out and shoot these things off the
towers.

On 4/11/2018 10:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Did you use regular notepad? That fiddles with text configs
sometimes, notepad++ does not

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:56 PM George Skorup
>
wrote:

Yeah that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Management
and data VLANs. Management address from static to DHCP.
I was thinking this would qualify as some pretty basic
changes. Apparently not.

We upgraded everything to 6.1.6. I set up an NSM5,
downloaded the backup and stripped the device-specific
stuff. Go import it and it says invalid. WTF. I don't
know. I'll screw with it more tomorrow.

On 4/11/2018 10:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

For those with simple configs it's probably fine.

If you have several interfaces and vlans per CPE with a
few bridges, it's more of a pain (from experience).

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:29 PM Steve Jones
> wrote:

All the config file does is populate the listed
fields. Anything not listed it doesnt change. Thats
why you have to apply it but you can edit it still
after loading it. Id pull a fresh config file from
one of the units and edit it, removing anything you
dont want changed. It could just be a change in a
field name

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:26 PM Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I'm not sure how you would use a partial
config... I think that it would just use
defaults for anything that was missing.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:56 PM Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

A partial config? Never tried it. Dunno
what some defaults are, and there are
things hidden in the config file that
aren't in the webui.

Config also seems to change things from
time to time.

Also config order is sometimes important
depending on what you are doing.

(This is just what I remember from
5.2.1-5.8.x days)

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:21 PM Steve Jones
> wrote:

It should

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:10 PM George
Skorup > wrote:

ePMP has spoiled me. Am I stupid,
or will airOS 6.1.x not take a partial
config? I just want to change a
couple things on several hundred
radios.
And no, I'm not interested in
AirControl or UNMS.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Josh Reynolds]

What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in slack
channels with hundreds of users.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode uses it
> now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> Slack, Ryver
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server. Spark
>>> with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your account from
>>> one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license for my
>>> client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You dont
>>> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i control
>>> our users and log the communication
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>>
 Slack

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
 To: Animal Farm 
 Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

 With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites, what's
 available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I can send
 the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
 while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers a
 service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that there
 was a $10 minimum somewhere.

 Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Steve Jones]

Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode uses it
now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Slack, Ryver
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server. Spark
>> with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your account from
>> one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license for my
>> client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You dont
>> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i control
>> our users and log the communication
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>
>>> Slack
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>>>
>>> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites, what's
>>> available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I can send
>>> the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
>>> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers a
>>> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that there
>>> was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>>>
>>> Nate
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Steve Jones]

My old man has an old trench hoe like that, bigger backscoop. Backbreaking
bastard. We did a 2 foot wide  6 foot deep trench last year with shovels
and thisug. but some old roofing tar buckets and spare tires may
have disappeared though.
Ill rent a deep trencher when i do mine

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 5:03 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> For actually opening up a trench I've got something similar to this:
>
> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200643437_200643437
>
> Works great.
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Then there's the manual version:
>> T-Handle Trench Shovel
>> 
>>
>> I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the
>> way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up
>> with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to
>> close the slot back up.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>> Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
>> Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jon Lee" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>> Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk
>> edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.
>>
>> -Jon
>> Off-Grid Networks
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
>>> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
>>> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
>>> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
>>> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
>>> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
>>> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
>>> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
>>> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
>>> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
>>> that was flipped over.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
>>> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
>>> held lawn edger.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could
>>> always have it with them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
>>>
>>> like this
>>>
>>> but not 2 grand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
>>> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>>>
>>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>>> the sod.
>>>
>>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>>>
>>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jon Lee
>> Off-Grid Networks
>> c.928.793.2972
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AirOS partial config?

[Steve Jones]

Thata why you pull everything youre not changing

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 5:09 PM George Skorup 
wrote:

> Ugh. This is what was tripping me up:
>
> radio.1.status=enabled
> radio.status=enabled
>
> has to be in the config file or the very vague "invalid" crap comes up.
>
> Lame.
>
> On 4/12/2018 4:14 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I want in on that
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:12 PM George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> The config file definitely has unix formatting, which is why I'm editing
>> it with vi.
>>
>> I don't want this to end up changing the SSIDs, WPA keys, device names,
>> etc. So I strip out those elements, save, upload and I get Invalid
>> configuration file structure.
>>
>> And yes, I'm using the upload configuration button right below the
>> download configuration button.
>>
>> I'm bout to get my .308 out and shoot these things off the towers.
>>
>> On 4/11/2018 10:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> Did you use regular notepad? That fiddles with text configs sometimes,
>> notepad++ does not
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:56 PM George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Management and data VLANs.
>>> Management address from static to DHCP. I was thinking this would qualify
>>> as some pretty basic changes. Apparently not.
>>>
>>> We upgraded everything to 6.1.6. I set up an NSM5, downloaded the backup
>>> and stripped the device-specific stuff. Go import it and it says invalid.
>>> WTF. I don't know. I'll screw with it more tomorrow.
>>>
>>> On 4/11/2018 10:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> For those with simple configs it's probably fine.
>>>
>>> If you have several interfaces and vlans per CPE with a few bridges,
>>> it's more of a pain (from experience).
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:29 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 All the config file does is populate the listed fields. Anything not
 listed it doesnt change. Thats why you have to apply it but you can edit it
 still after loading it. Id pull a fresh config file from one of the units
 and edit it, removing anything you dont want changed. It could just be a
 change in a field name

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:26 PM Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> I'm not sure how you would use a partial config... I think that it
> would just use defaults for anything that was missing.
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:56 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> A partial config? Never tried it. Dunno what some defaults are, and
>> there are things hidden in the config file that aren't in the webui.
>>
>> Config also seems to change things from time to time.
>>
>> Also config order is sometimes important depending on what you are
>> doing.
>>
>> (This is just what I remember from 5.2.1-5.8.x days)
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:21 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It should
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:10 PM George Skorup <
>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>
 ePMP has spoiled me. Am I stupid, or will airOS 6.1.x not take a
 partial
 config? I just want to change a couple things on several hundred
 radios.
 And no, I'm not interested in AirControl or UNMS.

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Help!!!

[Jaime Solorza]

We got them!!! Shipping out to site!!! Thanks

Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:59 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:

> You might check with Scan Source they usually have
>
> Mitch
>
> On 4/12/2018 3:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> I've got one too, that I can sell you if it helps...
>
> I think pretty much everywhere is out of stock right now. Streakwave told
> me they where expecting them any day... but that was a couple of weeks ago
> (I'm waiting for low band), and they may have already sold everything they
> had coming anyway.
>
> You can try ubnt.com/stock
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:20 PM, Jesse DuPont <
> jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> wrote:
>
>> I've got one...
>>
>> *Jesse DuPont*
>>
>> Network Architect
>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>> Celerity Networks LLC
>>
>> Celerity Broadband LLC
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>>
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>> On 4/12/18 2:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Need 6 AirFiber 11fx high band duplexors asap?  Who has them?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Help!!!

[Mitch Koep]

You might check with Scan Source they usually have

Mitch


On 4/12/2018 3:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

I've got one too, that I can sell you if it helps...

I think pretty much everywhere is out of stock right now. Streakwave 
told me they where expecting them any day... but that was a couple of 
weeks ago (I'm waiting for low band), and they may have already sold 
everything they had coming anyway.


You can try ubnt.com/stock 

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:20 PM, Jesse DuPont 
> 
wrote:


I've got one...

*_Jesse DuPont_*

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net

Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com /celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com /celeritybroadband

On 4/12/18 2:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Need 6 AirFiber 11fx high band duplexors asap?  Who has them?

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] AirOS partial config?

[George Skorup]

Ugh. This is what was tripping me up:

radio.1.status=enabled
radio.status=enabled

has to be in the config file or the very vague "invalid" crap comes up.

Lame.

On 4/12/2018 4:14 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I want in on that

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:12 PM George Skorup > wrote:


The config file definitely has unix formatting, which is why I'm
editing it with vi.

I don't want this to end up changing the SSIDs, WPA keys, device
names, etc. So I strip out those elements, save, upload and I
get Invalid configuration file structure.

And yes, I'm using the upload configuration button right below the
download configuration button.

I'm bout to get my .308 out and shoot these things off the towers.

On 4/11/2018 10:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Did you use regular notepad? That fiddles with text configs
sometimes, notepad++ does not

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:56 PM George Skorup
> wrote:

Yeah that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Management and
data VLANs. Management address from static to DHCP. I was
thinking this would qualify as some pretty basic changes.
Apparently not.

We upgraded everything to 6.1.6. I set up an NSM5, downloaded
the backup and stripped the device-specific stuff. Go import
it and it says invalid. WTF. I don't know. I'll screw with it
more tomorrow.

On 4/11/2018 10:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

For those with simple configs it's probably fine.

If you have several interfaces and vlans per CPE with a few
bridges, it's more of a pain (from experience).

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:29 PM Steve Jones
> wrote:

All the config file does is populate the listed fields.
Anything not listed it doesnt change. Thats why you have
to apply it but you can edit it still after loading it.
Id pull a fresh config file from one of the units and
edit it, removing anything you dont want changed. It
could just be a change in a field name

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:26 PM Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I'm not sure how you would use a partial config... I
think that it would just use defaults for anything
that was missing.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:56 PM Josh Reynolds
>
wrote:

A partial config? Never tried it. Dunno what
some defaults are, and there are things hidden
in the config file that aren't in the webui.

Config also seems to change things from time to
time.

Also config order is sometimes important
depending on what you are doing.

(This is just what I remember from 5.2.1-5.8.x days)

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:21 PM Steve Jones
> wrote:

It should

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:10 PM George Skorup
> wrote:

ePMP has spoiled me. Am I stupid, or
will airOS 6.1.x not take a partial
config? I just want to change a couple
things on several hundred radios.
And no, I'm not interested in AirControl
or UNMS.

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Jason McKemie]

For actually opening up a trench I've got something similar to this:

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200643437_200643437

Works great.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Then there's the manual version:
> T-Handle Trench Shovel
> 
>
> I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the
> way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up
> with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to
> close the slot back up.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
> Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
> Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jon Lee" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
> Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk
> edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.
>
> -Jon
> Off-Grid Networks
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
>> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
>> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
>> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
>> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
>> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
>> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
>> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
>> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
>> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
>> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
>> that was flipped over.
>>
>>
>>
>> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
>> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
>> held lawn edger.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher
>> /dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckd
>> uckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953
>> tiveASIN=B4DTNH
>>
>>
>>
>> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could
>> always have it with them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
>>
>> like this
>>
>> but not 2 grand
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
>> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>>
>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>> the sod.
>>
>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>>
>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jon Lee
> Off-Grid Networks
> c.928.793.2972
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Josh Reynolds]

Slack, Ryver

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server. Spark
> with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your account from
> one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license for my
> client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You dont
> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i control
> our users and log the communication
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
>> Slack
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>>
>> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites, what's
>> available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I can send
>> the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
>> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers a
>> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that there
>> was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Steve Jones]

We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server. Spark
with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your account from
one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license for my
client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You dont
have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i control
our users and log the communication

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Slack
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>
> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites, what's
> available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I can send
> the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers a
> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that there was
> a $10 minimum somewhere.
>
> Nate
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AirOS partial config?

[Steve Jones]

I want in on that

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:12 PM George Skorup 
wrote:

> The config file definitely has unix formatting, which is why I'm editing
> it with vi.
>
> I don't want this to end up changing the SSIDs, WPA keys, device names,
> etc. So I strip out those elements, save, upload and I get Invalid
> configuration file structure.
>
> And yes, I'm using the upload configuration button right below the
> download configuration button.
>
> I'm bout to get my .308 out and shoot these things off the towers.
>
> On 4/11/2018 10:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Did you use regular notepad? That fiddles with text configs sometimes,
> notepad++ does not
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:56 PM George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Management and data VLANs.
>> Management address from static to DHCP. I was thinking this would qualify
>> as some pretty basic changes. Apparently not.
>>
>> We upgraded everything to 6.1.6. I set up an NSM5, downloaded the backup
>> and stripped the device-specific stuff. Go import it and it says invalid.
>> WTF. I don't know. I'll screw with it more tomorrow.
>>
>> On 4/11/2018 10:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> For those with simple configs it's probably fine.
>>
>> If you have several interfaces and vlans per CPE with a few bridges, it's
>> more of a pain (from experience).
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:29 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All the config file does is populate the listed fields. Anything not
>>> listed it doesnt change. Thats why you have to apply it but you can edit it
>>> still after loading it. Id pull a fresh config file from one of the units
>>> and edit it, removing anything you dont want changed. It could just be a
>>> change in a field name
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:26 PM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure how you would use a partial config... I think that it
 would just use defaults for anything that was missing.

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:56 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> A partial config? Never tried it. Dunno what some defaults are, and
> there are things hidden in the config file that aren't in the webui.
>
> Config also seems to change things from time to time.
>
> Also config order is sometimes important depending on what you are
> doing.
>
> (This is just what I remember from 5.2.1-5.8.x days)
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:21 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> It should
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:10 PM George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ePMP has spoiled me. Am I stupid, or will airOS 6.1.x not take a
>>> partial
>>> config? I just want to change a couple things on several hundred
>>> radios.
>>> And no, I'm not interested in AirControl or UNMS.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AirOS partial config?

[George Skorup]

The config file definitely has unix formatting, which is why I'm editing 
it with vi.


I don't want this to end up changing the SSIDs, WPA keys, device names, 
etc. So I strip out those elements, save, upload and I get Invalid 
configuration file structure.


And yes, I'm using the upload configuration button right below the 
download configuration button.


I'm bout to get my .308 out and shoot these things off the towers.

On 4/11/2018 10:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Did you use regular notepad? That fiddles with text configs sometimes, 
notepad++ does not


On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:56 PM George Skorup > wrote:


Yeah that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Management and data
VLANs. Management address from static to DHCP. I was thinking this
would qualify as some pretty basic changes. Apparently not.

We upgraded everything to 6.1.6. I set up an NSM5, downloaded the
backup and stripped the device-specific stuff. Go import it and it
says invalid. WTF. I don't know. I'll screw with it more tomorrow.

On 4/11/2018 10:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

For those with simple configs it's probably fine.

If you have several interfaces and vlans per CPE with a few
bridges, it's more of a pain (from experience).

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:29 PM Steve Jones
> wrote:

All the config file does is populate the listed fields.
Anything not listed it doesnt change. Thats why you have to
apply it but you can edit it still after loading it. Id pull
a fresh config file from one of the units and edit it,
removing anything you dont want changed. It could just be a
change in a field name

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:26 PM Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I'm not sure how you would use a partial config... I
think that it would just use defaults for anything that
was missing.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:56 PM Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

A partial config? Never tried it. Dunno what some
defaults are, and there are things hidden in the
config file that aren't in the webui.

Config also seems to change things from time to time.

Also config order is sometimes important depending on
what you are doing.

(This is just what I remember from 5.2.1-5.8.x days)

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:21 PM Steve Jones
> wrote:

It should

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:10 PM George Skorup
> wrote:

ePMP has spoiled me. Am I stupid, or will
airOS 6.1.x not take a partial
config? I just want to change a couple things
on several hundred radios.
And no, I'm not interested in AirControl or UNMS.

Re: [AFMUG] Dual slant yagi

[Jay Weekley]

We have some but there seem to be some design issues with them but it 
may be that we are new to them.


SmarterBroadband wrote:

KP

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Dual slant yagi

What is your favorite dual slant yagi for the Cambium 450i 900MHz radios?


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Re: [AFMUG] Dual slant yagi

[Mathew Howard]

I've only used the Cambium ones with the 450i, but they seem as good as
anything...

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:34 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> KP
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:22 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Dual slant yagi
>
> What is your favorite dual slant yagi for the Cambium 450i 900MHz radios?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Help!!!

[Mathew Howard]

I've got one too, that I can sell you if it helps...

I think pretty much everywhere is out of stock right now. Streakwave told
me they where expecting them any day... but that was a couple of weeks ago
(I'm waiting for low band), and they may have already sold everything they
had coming anyway.

You can try ubnt.com/stock

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:20 PM, Jesse DuPont  wrote:

> I've got one...
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 4/12/18 2:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Need 6 AirFiber 11fx high band duplexors asap?  Who has them?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dual slant yagi

[SmarterBroadband]

KP

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Dual slant yagi

What is your favorite dual slant yagi for the Cambium 450i 900MHz radios?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[SmarterBroadband]

Slack

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites, what's 
available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I can send the 
boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email 
while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers a 
service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that there was a 
$10 minimum somewhere.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Help!!!

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
I've got one...


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 4/12/18 2:14 PM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  Need 6 AirFiber 11fx high band duplexors asap? 
Who has them? 

Jaime Solorza
  


  

[AFMUG] Help!!!

[Jaime Solorza]

Need 6 AirFiber 11fx high band duplexors asap?  Who has them?

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] IM Services

[James Howard]

Viber is another option.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

Slack
Google Hangouts
Whatsapp

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:26:26 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites, what's
> available for Instant messaging apps these days? Basically so I can
> send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
> while we're on an intercom call. It looks like Trillian.im offers a
> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo But I thought I saw that there
> was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>
> Nate


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Slack 
Google Hangouts
Whatsapp

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:26:26 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites, what's
> available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I can
> send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers a
> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that there
> was a $10 minimum somewhere.
> 
> Nate

[AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Nate Burke]

With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites, what's 
available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I can 
send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email 
while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers a 
service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that there 
was a $10 minimum somewhere.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Build a 100 foot tower in El PAso

[Jaime Solorza]

I can provide some contacts...what kind of tower?

Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 12:44 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> A friend is looking for someone to build a 100 foot tower in El Paso
>
> for 6 LTE antennas.
>
> Any referrals?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mitch Koep
>
> 218-851-8689 cell
>
>

[AFMUG] Build a 100 foot tower in El PAso

[Mitch Koep]

Hi all,

A friend is looking for someone to build a 100 foot tower in El Paso

for 6 LTE antennas.

Any referrals?

Thanks

Mitch Koep

218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] Remote access and mobile data for tech

[Philip Rankin]

Hey guys,

I own a whole bunch of those channels similar to what Adam is talking about
herein.  Only mine are UHF and VHF old paging pairs that I bought at the
FCC paging auction a few years ago.  They are considered CMRS so they can
be used for anything commercial almost.  We do and did use them as 2-way
radio repeater pairs.  They are 25KHz wide each.  I typically have 6 to 8
channel pairs available in the same band, again typically for that many in
the same geographic areas they are UHF 454Mhz.

Does anyone know of any equipment out there that can take those individual,
non-contiguous space channels and (multiplex?) them together as one data
channel providing the full bandwidth of all of the channels aggregated
together?  For example;  7 channel pairs equals 14 ea 25KHz channels
(454MHz and 459MHz for a pair) for a total of 350Khz total bandwidth as a
whole.  350KHz of bandwidth at 110 watts of power could certainly provide
some significant data service to someone in the sticks that can't get any
service from anything else.  And, as was said above, would provide a
significant control system for a carrier to it's systems a long way out in
the sticks.  This may not be the best use of RF resources, but if the
channels are not in use for anything significant, it could be an "Only
Option"

Ohhh, and BTW, I have a pot full of those area wide channels for sale in
KS, MO and AR.

Phil

   Phil

Philip J. Rankin, CEO
Wireless Telecommunications, Corp.
A division of;
Mobilcom Wireless Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762
620-231-8188

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 7:55 AM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> I still maintain a 1200 baud packet radio network for amateur radio. For
> serial console router management what you are suggesting on 220 MHz would
> work great. Properly built 1200 baud works surprisingly well still.
> Hardware and such is readily available.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Remote access and mobile data for tech
>
>
>
> I was talking to Select Spectrum the other day.  They can get you a
> channel in 217-220mhz.  The license is for a whole county.  I think the
> biggest size is 1mhz, but they'll also do a 100khz channel.  They'll price
> it by Mhz*population.  A tenth of a mhz times the population of a rural
> county could be pretty cheap.  Oh and you can transmit at 50 Watts ERP.
>
>
>
> So along these lines I was wondering how feasible it would be to build a
> little low speed OOB management network.  You might only get 100kbps, but
> 217mhz at 50 Watts should really travel.  It might be just the thing to get
> you into your hung router.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>
> To: "Animal Farm" 
>
> Sent: 4/6/2018 8:56:51 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Remote access and mobile data for tech
>
>
>
> Does have a learning curve but great technical support with real folks on
> phone
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 9:36 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Cradlepoint is what we are looking toward for sites. Is it as versatile as
> mikrotik for fieldwork? I need easy changes without reboot
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 8:35 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> I have zero issues with Cradlepoint Aer1600... T-MOBILE , Wi-Fi and LAN
> connectionsI can use two SIM cards if I need
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> May be looking for two separate items here. And rehashing the site remote
> acces questions.
>
> I prefer a multicarrier option, that way if im in the tech van and its
> verizon sim isnt getting quality id like to drop my att straight talk sim
> in and get interwebs.
>
> I prefer mikrotik. I currently use an air router for the install truck and
> with ip aliases i can access all our radios directly from a phone and our
> long test cable. Except not 169.254.1.1 because ubnt chose to hardcode
> that. If the radio connects to our network then we have access to our
> network from our phone. Having the cellular option adds public side access.
> Plus google earth needs a live connection to plot link paths onsite, i did
> it today on a 300k hotspot from my workphone...aweful.
>
> I would like external wifi and cellular antenna options so i dont have to
> hang this out the window in a ziplock baggie, looks kind of ghetto, but it
> also needs to be able to be made portable if im testing where i cant get
> the van close enough to operate off the test cables and have to operate off
> ac site power or out of radio range of the van antenna.
>
>
>
> Then, of course external remote site access. We had a site router hang the
> other day and had to drive to the 

Re: [AFMUG] USF on interstate wave

[Cassidy B. Larson]

If the wave crosses state lines you get USF applied automatically unless you 
can get it waived.

Ask your carrier for a “USF exemption form” and see what they say.  They may 
have to find the one person in the dusty back corner that handles it. I had to 
educate my sales rep on it, he had no idea. 

If you pay >$10,000/year in USF direct via your voip offering you’re no longer 
“de minims” status, and can get it waived on your waves. 

https://www.usac.org/cont/filers/de-minimis.aspx



> On Apr 12, 2018, at 8:25 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> I believe the rule says if more than x percentage of traffic is interstate 
> then USF applies.   If it’s intrastate then it doesn’t apply.   
> 
> As far as I am concerned for my intrastate (in state) circuits the traffic is 
> coming from my router interface and going to my other router interface.  What 
> the ultimate source and destination of those packets are is pretty hard for 
> me to determine.   The header I’m looking at says it goes to the other end.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 4:26 AM, Paul McCall > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am very interested in this question as well.  Looking to understand the 
>> rules of which USF taxes is not in place.  We have some fiber leases coming 
>> up where I want to structure things properly
>>  
>> From: Af > On Behalf Of 
>> Carl Peterson
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:45 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] USF on interstate wave
>>  
>> I know this has been covered before...  Got hit with a pretty substantial 
>> USF surcharge on a wave by Centurylink even after getting all taxes and fees 
>> estimated ahead of time by Level3.  USF wasn't in there but now they are 
>> saying pound sand.   
>>  
>> This is a wave between data centers.  Just used for internet.  We don't sell 
>> VOIP.  
>>  
>> Is there a way out of this?  Is USF appropriate on a wave with no phone 
>> service is involved?  Its kind of crazy at 21% 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[chuck]

PIAF normally keeps the config files pretty empty.  

I don’t even see a sip.conf.  

There is a sip_custom.conf and a sip_nat.conf

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

Can you share the nat=, insecure=, and canreinvite= settings being used for the 
phones' peers?
I'm sorry I don't know where those are in FreePBX.  In vanilla asterisk they'd 
be in sip.conf.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 12:28:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

  I don’t think it is natted.  My son set it up, but he is away at college/work 
and I have limited access to him.






  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:57 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

  It has to be related to NAT and/or reinvite. 
  Look for what IP is being presented to the outside world.  There are 
definitely relevant settings in Asterisk, could be in the phone too.

  Assuming the phones have private IPs, I'd set canreinvite=no for the SIP peer 
used by the phones, and make sure the phones are not set to override the WAN IP.

  Asterisk has a setting showing what IP it uses to talk to the worldI'm 
sorry I can't recall the name of the option.  If it has its own public IP, then 
use that.  If it's private and behind NAT then it may need to present to the 
world that it has the router's WAN IP.  The NAT router could have SIP helper 
features.  You may need to turn that either on or off depending on what else 
you have going on.

  You'll get better clues from a packet capture.  You can use tcpdump on the 
Asterisk Box, and/or do it on the router.  You can verify whether the incoming 
RTP stream is or isn't getting to you.  You can check the outbound SIP packets 
to see what source IP is being used.  The other end doesn't reply to the source 
from the IP header, he replies to the source IP used in the SIP messages.  If 
Asterisk is identifying itself as peer@192.168.1.10 then your carrier may be 
sending RTP to the private address which obviously can't cross the internet.



  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/12/2018 11:41:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

I am grateful for any bones that can be tossed this way.  Just stating 
“hey, I am having this problem” which implies that any suggestions to fix the 
problem are most welcome.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Adam Moffett]

I guess the front end wasn't in sync with the back end.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 12:49:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

Arrgh, I turned on nat and turned it back off and now it is 
working!  I hate it when I fix something like this and I do not 
know how I fixed it...


From:ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

I don’t think it is natted.  My son set it up, but he is away at 
college/work and I have limited access to him.






From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:57 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

It has to be related to NAT and/or reinvite.
Look for what IP is being presented to the outside world.  There are 
definitely relevant settings in Asterisk, could be in the phone too.


Assuming the phones have private IPs, I'd set canreinvite=no for the 
SIP peer used by the phones, and make sure the phones are not set to 
override the WAN IP.


Asterisk has a setting showing what IP it uses to talk to the 
worldI'm sorry I can't recall the name of the option.  If it has 
its own public IP, then use that.  If it's private and behind NAT then 
it may need to present to the world that it has the router's WAN IP.  
The NAT router could have SIP helper features.  You may need to turn 
that either on or off depending on what else you have going on.


You'll get better clues from a packet capture.  You can use tcpdump on 
the Asterisk Box, and/or do it on the router.  You can verify whether 
the incoming RTP stream is or isn't getting to you.  You can check the 
outbound SIP packets to see what source IP is being used.  The other 
end doesn't reply to the source from the IP header, he replies to the 
source IP used in the SIP messages.  If Asterisk is identifying itself 
as peer@192.168.1.10 then your carrier may be sending RTP to the 
private address which obviously can't cross the internet.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 11:41:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

I am grateful for any bones that can be tossed this way.  Just stating 
“hey, I am having this problem” which implies that any suggestions to 
fix the problem are most welcome.

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[chuck]

Arrgh, I turned on nat and turned it back off and now it is working!  I 
hate it when I fix something like this and I do not know how I fixed it...

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

I don’t think it is natted.  My son set it up, but he is away at college/work 
and I have limited access to him.






From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

It has to be related to NAT and/or reinvite. 
Look for what IP is being presented to the outside world.  There are definitely 
relevant settings in Asterisk, could be in the phone too.

Assuming the phones have private IPs, I'd set canreinvite=no for the SIP peer 
used by the phones, and make sure the phones are not set to override the WAN IP.

Asterisk has a setting showing what IP it uses to talk to the worldI'm 
sorry I can't recall the name of the option.  If it has its own public IP, then 
use that.  If it's private and behind NAT then it may need to present to the 
world that it has the router's WAN IP.  The NAT router could have SIP helper 
features.  You may need to turn that either on or off depending on what else 
you have going on.

You'll get better clues from a packet capture.  You can use tcpdump on the 
Asterisk Box, and/or do it on the router.  You can verify whether the incoming 
RTP stream is or isn't getting to you.  You can check the outbound SIP packets 
to see what source IP is being used.  The other end doesn't reply to the source 
from the IP header, he replies to the source IP used in the SIP messages.  If 
Asterisk is identifying itself as peer@192.168.1.10 then your carrier may be 
sending RTP to the private address which obviously can't cross the internet.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 11:41:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

  I am grateful for any bones that can be tossed this way.  Just stating “hey, 
I am having this problem” which implies that any suggestions to fix the problem 
are most welcome.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Adam Moffett]

Can you share the nat=, insecure=, and canreinvite= settings being used 
for the phones' peers?
I'm sorry I don't know where those are in FreePBX.  In vanilla asterisk 
they'd be in sip.conf.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 12:28:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

I don’t think it is natted.  My son set it up, but he is away at 
college/work and I have limited access to him.






From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:57 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

It has to be related to NAT and/or reinvite.
Look for what IP is being presented to the outside world.  There are 
definitely relevant settings in Asterisk, could be in the phone too.


Assuming the phones have private IPs, I'd set canreinvite=no for the 
SIP peer used by the phones, and make sure the phones are not set to 
override the WAN IP.


Asterisk has a setting showing what IP it uses to talk to the 
worldI'm sorry I can't recall the name of the option.  If it has 
its own public IP, then use that.  If it's private and behind NAT then 
it may need to present to the world that it has the router's WAN IP.  
The NAT router could have SIP helper features.  You may need to turn 
that either on or off depending on what else you have going on.


You'll get better clues from a packet capture.  You can use tcpdump on 
the Asterisk Box, and/or do it on the router.  You can verify whether 
the incoming RTP stream is or isn't getting to you.  You can check the 
outbound SIP packets to see what source IP is being used.  The other 
end doesn't reply to the source from the IP header, he replies to the 
source IP used in the SIP messages.  If Asterisk is identifying itself 
as peer@192.168.1.10 then your carrier may be sending RTP to the 
private address which obviously can't cross the internet.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 11:41:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

I am grateful for any bones that can be tossed this way.  Just stating 
“hey, I am having this problem” which implies that any suggestions to 
fix the problem are most welcome.

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[chuck]

I don’t think it is natted.  My son set it up, but he is away at college/work 
and I have limited access to him.






From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

It has to be related to NAT and/or reinvite. 
Look for what IP is being presented to the outside world.  There are definitely 
relevant settings in Asterisk, could be in the phone too.

Assuming the phones have private IPs, I'd set canreinvite=no for the SIP peer 
used by the phones, and make sure the phones are not set to override the WAN IP.

Asterisk has a setting showing what IP it uses to talk to the worldI'm 
sorry I can't recall the name of the option.  If it has its own public IP, then 
use that.  If it's private and behind NAT then it may need to present to the 
world that it has the router's WAN IP.  The NAT router could have SIP helper 
features.  You may need to turn that either on or off depending on what else 
you have going on.

You'll get better clues from a packet capture.  You can use tcpdump on the 
Asterisk Box, and/or do it on the router.  You can verify whether the incoming 
RTP stream is or isn't getting to you.  You can check the outbound SIP packets 
to see what source IP is being used.  The other end doesn't reply to the source 
from the IP header, he replies to the source IP used in the SIP messages.  If 
Asterisk is identifying itself as peer@192.168.1.10 then your carrier may be 
sending RTP to the private address which obviously can't cross the internet.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 11:41:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

  I am grateful for any bones that can be tossed this way.  Just stating “hey, 
I am having this problem” which implies that any suggestions to fix the problem 
are most welcome.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>>>that any suggestions to fix the problem are most welcome. 
Tough to offer suggestion without knowing the details of your settings and 
setup. 
A lot easier to review and fix / troubleshoot. 
This is an offer to help with no strings attached. 

Your generic request for help reminds of the college days.. when we were coding 
in fortran. 

My program is not working.. I am not sure what is wrong. 
Can you help me ? 
Yes, but only if you show me your code so that I can check for syntax. 
(dang those periods and commas ! ) 

The issue is obvious, you are not able to open the audio channel... 
the causes for such a condition are few most of them depend on the 
specifics of the configuration. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:41:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

> I am grateful for any bones that can be tossed this way. Just stating “hey, I 
> am
> having this problem” which implies that any suggestions to fix the problem are
> most welcome.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
> Yep.. I know..
> Not sure if Chuck is venting or asking for assistance ...
> Being a technical person I have lot of trouble understanding a generic 
> request /
> comment from another technical person..
> ' I have screw that is not working to keep the two parts together !'. or 
> as
> a lot of other computer people will relate to this one.. " My computer does 
> not
> work ! " ...
> ;)
> Regardless, the offer to help and solve this problem quickly still stands.. 
> but
> of course in the infamous words of Number Nine "Need More Input" !
> :)
> Regards.
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net

> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:06:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

>> He means PBX in a Flash. It is FreePBX along with some other things.

>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 4/12/2018 11:01:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

>>> It is too painful to read your emails which are lacking a lot of 
>>> details..
>>> Anyhow.. if you need assistance if fixing this, feel free to call me.
>>> Regards.
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net

>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:53:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

 PIAF
 From: Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:51 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
 are you using asterisk or some variant of a PBX implementation e.g. 
 freepbx or
 elastix ?
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 http://www.snappytelecom.net

 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

> It is a carrier that we have used for years. Someone hacked something a 
> month or
> two ago and was making thousands of calls from our asterisk system. So we
> rebuilt everything trying to up the security. Now, trying to get it to go
> again.
> From: Lewis Bergman
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
> What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media 
> path and
> hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how your system is
> configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite it can cause one way
> audio.
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman < 
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
> wrote:

>> Between phones or through origination/termination?

>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

>>> I have extension to extension audio working now but one way outbound 
>>> audio on
>>> outbound calls arrgh

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Adam Moffett]

It has to be related to NAT and/or reinvite.
Look for what IP is being presented to the outside world.  There are 
definitely relevant settings in Asterisk, could be in the phone too.


Assuming the phones have private IPs, I'd set canreinvite=no for the SIP 
peer used by the phones, and make sure the phones are not set to 
override the WAN IP.


Asterisk has a setting showing what IP it uses to talk to the 
worldI'm sorry I can't recall the name of the option.  If it has its 
own public IP, then use that.  If it's private and behind NAT then it 
may need to present to the world that it has the router's WAN IP.  The 
NAT router could have SIP helper features.  You may need to turn that 
either on or off depending on what else you have going on.


You'll get better clues from a packet capture.  You can use tcpdump on 
the Asterisk Box, and/or do it on the router.  You can verify whether 
the incoming RTP stream is or isn't getting to you.  You can check the 
outbound SIP packets to see what source IP is being used.  The other end 
doesn't reply to the source from the IP header, he replies to the source 
IP used in the SIP messages.  If Asterisk is identifying itself as 
peer@192.168.1.10 then your carrier may be sending RTP to the private 
address which obviously can't cross the internet.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 11:41:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

I am grateful for any bones that can be tossed this way.  Just stating 
“hey, I am having this problem” which implies that any suggestions to 
fix the problem are most welcome.

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[chuck]

I am grateful for any bones that can be tossed this way.  Just stating “hey, I 
am having this problem” which implies that any suggestions to fix the problem 
are most welcome.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

Yep.. I  know..


Not sure if Chuck is venting or asking for assistance ...


Being a technical person I have lot of trouble understanding a generic request 
/ comment from another technical person..


' I have screw that is not working to keep the two parts together !'. or as 
a lot of other computer people will relate to this one.. " My computer does not 
work ! " ...


;)


Regardless, the offer to help and solve this problem quickly still stands.. but 
of course in the infamous words of Number Nine  "Need More Input" !


:)


Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:06:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

  He means PBX in a Flash.  It is FreePBX along with some other things.



  -- Original Message --
  From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 4/12/2018 11:01:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

It is too painful to read your emails which are lacking a lot of 
details..


Anyhow.. if you need assistance if fixing this, feel free to call me.


Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net





  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:53:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

  PIAF

  From: Faisal Imtiaz

  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:51 AM
  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

  are you using asterisk or some variant of a PBX implementation e.g. 
freepbx or elastix ?


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  http://www.snappytelecom.net

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



--

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

It is a carrier that we have used for years.  Someone hacked something 
a month or two ago and was making thousands of calls from our asterisk system.  
So we rebuilt everything trying to up the security.  Now, trying to get it to 
go again.

From: Lewis Bergman

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media 
path and hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how your system 
is configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite it can cause one way 
audio.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  Between phones or through origination/termination?



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM  wrote:

I have extension to extension audio working now but one way 
outbound audio on outbound calls  arrgh

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yep.. I know.. 

Not sure if Chuck is venting or asking for assistance ... 

Being a technical person I have lot of trouble understanding a generic request 
/ comment from another technical person.. 

' I have screw that is not working to keep the two parts together !'. or as 
a lot of other computer people will relate to this one.. " My computer does not 
work ! " ... 

;) 

Regardless, the offer to help and solve this problem quickly still stands.. but 
of course in the infamous words of Number Nine "Need More Input" ! 

:) 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:06:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

> He means PBX in a Flash. It is FreePBX along with some other things.

> -- Original Message --
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/12/2018 11:01:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

>> It is too painful to read your emails which are lacking a lot of 
>> details..

>> Anyhow.. if you need assistance if fixing this, feel free to call me.

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net

>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:53:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

>>> PIAF
>>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:51 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
>>> are you using asterisk or some variant of a PBX implementation e.g. freepbx 
>>> or
>>> elastix ?
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net

>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

 It is a carrier that we have used for years. Someone hacked something a 
 month or
 two ago and was making thousands of calls from our asterisk system. So we
 rebuilt everything trying to up the security. Now, trying to get it to go
 again.
 From: Lewis Bergman
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
 What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media path 
 and
 hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how your system is
 configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite it can cause one way
 audio.
 On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman < 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
 wrote:

> Between phones or through origination/termination?

> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

>> I have extension to extension audio working now but one way outbound 
>> audio on
>> outbound calls arrgh

[AFMUG] Dual slant yagi

[Jay Weekley]

What is your favorite dual slant yagi for the Cambium 450i 900MHz radios?

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Roland Houin]

We have one in every vehicle.
much better than shovels,
stong enought to last
 
Roland
 
 
> I thought this device looked interesting. Soil conditions obviously make adifference in how well it works. Kind of like the edger but modified for thewire purpose and more rugged. Chuck could probably build and sell these foreveryone pretty reasonable or just go to your local welder and have them makeone for you.https://youtu.be/kNqOXul-GOQThank You,Brian Websterwww.wirelessmapping.comwww.Broadband-Mapping.comFrom: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve JonesSent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:33 PM
To: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencherIve cut enough sod and hand trenched all im going to do anymore. Same reason ibought a compactor and quit hand tamping limeOn Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:34 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:Then there's the manual version:T-Handle Trench ShovelI've used a flat spade. Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the way in,pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again. You end up with a skinnyslot. Shove cable into theslot, stomp your boots on it to close the slot backup.-- Original Message --From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.comSent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencherYeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.-- Original Message --From: "Jon Lee" To: af@afmug.comSent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencherDon't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk edger toinstall an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.-JonOff-Grid NetworksOn Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron wrote:We have been looking for something better as well and found the one youmentioned. There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too, but
more money and not very convenient. Today we use lawn edgers, which only getthe cable down about 1.5”. It seems to be far enough, but would like it to be alittle deeper. We also use an inhouse built mini-plow device that goes behind alawn mower or 4 wheeler. That works pretty good, but is not convenient as wehave to pull to the site on a trailer. However, we can plow in 300 ft in about10 minutes with that. It has a spool holder and everything. . The shovel works,but is painfully slow and when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass asit dries out the sod that was flipped over.For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the sitewith the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand held lawnedger.
https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025ative=165953=B4DTNHA sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could always haveit with them.Thanks,David CoudronFrom: Af  On Behalf Of Steve JonesSent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTMlike thisbut not 2 grandOn Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for lengthof run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when doneOn Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones  wrote:For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers becausethey dont want to trench cable themselves.For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under the sod.Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw modifiedbar or a bucksaw trenching blade?Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally would fitin the truck on a shelf--Jon LeeOff-Grid Networksc.928.793.2972 <

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Adam Moffett]

He means PBX in a Flash.  It is FreePBX along with some other things.


-- Original Message --
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 11:01:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

It is too painful to read your emails which are lacking a lot of 
details..


Anyhow.. if you need assistance if fixing this, feel free to call me.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:53:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
PIAF

From:Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:51 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

are you using asterisk or some variant of a PBX implementation e.g. 
freepbx or elastix ?


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
It is a carrier that we have used for years.  Someone hacked 
something a month or two ago and was making thousands of calls from 
our asterisk system.  So we rebuilt everything trying to up the 
security.  Now, trying to get it to go again.


From:Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media 
path and hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how 
your system is configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite 
it can cause one way audio.


On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Between phones or through origination/termination?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 

Suite 1337 

Troy, OH 45373 



On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM  wrote:
I have extension to extension audio working now but one way 
outbound audio on outbound calls  arrgh

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Faisal Imtiaz]

It is too painful to read your emails which are lacking a lot of details.. 

Anyhow.. if you need assistance if fixing this, feel free to call me. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:53:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

> PIAF
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:51 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
> are you using asterisk or some variant of a PBX implementation e.g. freepbx or
> elastix ?
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net

> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

>> It is a carrier that we have used for years. Someone hacked something a 
>> month or
>> two ago and was making thousands of calls from our asterisk system. So we
>> rebuilt everything trying to up the security. Now, trying to get it to go
>> again.
>> From: Lewis Bergman
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
>> What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media path 
>> and
>> hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how your system is
>> configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite it can cause one way
>> audio.
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
>> wrote:

>>> Between phones or through origination/termination?

>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

 I have extension to extension audio working now but one way outbound audio 
 on
 outbound calls arrgh

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[chuck]

PIAF

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

are you using asterisk or some variant of a PBX implementation e.g. freepbx or 
elastix ?


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

  It is a carrier that we have used for years.  Someone hacked something a 
month or two ago and was making thousands of calls from our asterisk system.  
So we rebuilt everything trying to up the security.  Now, trying to get it to 
go again. 

  From: Lewis Bergman

  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM
  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

  What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media path 
and hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how your system is 
configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite it can cause one way audio.

  On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Between phones or through origination/termination?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM  wrote:

  I have extension to extension audio working now but one way outbound 
audio on outbound calls  arrgh

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Faisal Imtiaz]

are you using asterisk or some variant of a PBX implementation e.g. freepbx or 
elastix ? 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

> It is a carrier that we have used for years. Someone hacked something a month 
> or
> two ago and was making thousands of calls from our asterisk system. So we
> rebuilt everything trying to up the security. Now, trying to get it to go
> again.
> From: Lewis Bergman
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
> What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media path and
> hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how your system is
> configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite it can cause one way
> audio.
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
> wrote:

>> Between phones or through origination/termination?

>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

>>> I have extension to extension audio working now but one way outbound audio 
>>> on
>>> outbound calls arrgh

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[chuck]

I actually had one of these on my service vehicle back in 1979.  Someone 
manufactures them.  We would cut a slit and poke the drop in with a piece of 
lath.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 7:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

I thought this device looked interesting. Soil conditions obviously make a 
difference in how well it works. Kind of like the edger but modified for the 
wire purpose and more rugged. Chuck could probably build and sell these for 
everyone pretty reasonable or just go to your local welder and have them make 
one for you. 

 

https://youtu.be/kNqOXul-GOQ

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

 

Ive cut enough sod and hand trenched all im going to do anymore. Same reason i 
bought a compactor and quit hand tamping lime

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:34 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Then there's the manual version:  

  T-Handle Trench Shovel 

   

  I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the way 
in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up with a 
skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to close the 
slot back up.

   

   

  -- Original Message --

  From: "Adam Moffett" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

   

Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.

Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jon Lee" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

 

  Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk 
edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs. 

   

  -Jon

  Off-Grid Networks

   

  On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron 
 wrote:

  We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you 
mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too, but 
more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which only get 
the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would like it to be 
a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow device that goes 
behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty good, but is not 
convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.   However, we can plow 
in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a spool holder and everything. 
.  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and when the grass is really dry, it 
kills the grass as it dries out the sod that was flipped over.  

   

  For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the 
site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand held 
lawn edger.

  
https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH

   

  A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could 
always have it with them. 

   

  Thanks,

   

  David Coudron

   

   

  From: Af  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

   

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM

  like this

  but not 2 grand

   

  On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue 
for length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.

 

You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done 

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new 
customers because they dont want to trench cable themselves.

  For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay 
under the sod. 

  Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a 
chainsaw modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?

  Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally 
would fit in the truck on a shelf

   





   

  -- 

  Jon Lee

  Off-Grid Networks

  c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[chuck]

It is a carrier that we have used for years.  Someone hacked something a month 
or two ago and was making thousands of calls from our asterisk system.  So we 
rebuilt everything trying to up the security.  Now, trying to get it to go 
again.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media path and 
hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how your system is 
configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite it can cause one way audio.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  Between phones or through origination/termination?



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM  wrote:

I have extension to extension audio working now but one way outbound audio 
on outbound calls  arrgh

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[chuck]

Phone to phone works.

Phone to outside sends audio out but no audio in from the external connection.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

Between phones or through origination/termination?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM  wrote:

  I have extension to extension audio working now but one way outbound audio on 
outbound calls  arrgh

Re: [AFMUG] USF on interstate wave

[Mark Radabaugh]

I believe the rule says if more than x percentage of traffic is interstate then 
USF applies.   If it’s intrastate then it doesn’t apply.   

As far as I am concerned for my intrastate (in state) circuits the traffic is 
coming from my router interface and going to my other router interface.  What 
the ultimate source and destination of those packets are is pretty hard for me 
to determine.   The header I’m looking at says it goes to the other end.

Mark

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 4:26 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> I am very interested in this question as well.  Looking to understand the 
> rules of which USF taxes is not in place.  We have some fiber leases coming 
> up where I want to structure things properly
>  
> From: Af > On Behalf Of 
> Carl Peterson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:45 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] USF on interstate wave
>  
> I know this has been covered before...  Got hit with a pretty substantial USF 
> surcharge on a wave by Centurylink even after getting all taxes and fees 
> estimated ahead of time by Level3.  USF wasn't in there but now they are 
> saying pound sand.   
>  
> This is a wave between data centers.  Just used for internet.  We don't sell 
> VOIP.  
>  
> Is there a way out of this?  Is USF appropriate on a wave with no phone 
> service is involved?  Its kind of crazy at 21% 

Re: [AFMUG] Session Border Controllers

[Faisal Imtiaz]

https://www.kamailio.org/w/

Let me know if you want someone to assist you with implementation, I may be 
able to refer you .

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
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Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

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- Original Message -
> From: "Clint Wiley" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:53:20 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Session Border Controllers

> Hi,
> 
> We have a legacy class 4/5 switch that we need to replace. It’s old and
> unsupported and our voice business has declined over the years. I’d like to
> find an inexpensive software SBC that can run in a cloud environment. Does
> anyone do this? Any suggestions? We don’t move a lot of traffic…
> 
> Thanks,
> _
> Clint Wiley
> Hagerstown Fiber Internet

[AFMUG] Session Border Controllers

[Clint Wiley]

Hi,

We have a legacy class 4/5 switch that we need to replace. It’s old and 
unsupported and our voice business has declined over the years. I’d like to 
find an inexpensive software SBC that can run in a cloud environment. Does 
anyone do this? Any suggestions? We don’t move a lot of traffic…

Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Cameron Crum]

Guy says material cost is high..??? Looks like a couple pieces of 1 " or 1
1/2" steel tubing with some steel plate welded on. Some welding and
grinding and voila. I bet the whole shebang is less than $40 as a one-off.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:11 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> We have a couple of those, i absolutely hate them. Too many rocks around
> here. They only work well in spring when the soil id saturated and the sod
> is still loose
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:06 AM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> I thought this device looked interesting. Soil conditions obviously make
>> a difference in how well it works. Kind of like the edger but modified for
>> the wire purpose and more rugged. Chuck could probably build and sell these
>> for everyone pretty reasonable or just go to your local welder and have
>> them make one for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://youtu.be/kNqOXul-GOQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> Ive cut enough sod and hand trenched all im going to do anymore. Same
>> reason i bought a compactor and quit hand tamping lime
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:34 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> Then there's the manual version:
>>
>> T-Handle Trench Shovel
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the
>> way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up
>> with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to
>> close the slot back up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
>>
>> Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Jon Lee" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk
>> edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jon
>>
>> Off-Grid Networks
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>
>> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
>> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
>> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
>> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
>> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
>> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
>> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
>> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
>> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
>> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
>> that was flipped over.
>>
>>
>>
>> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
>> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
>> held lawn edger.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-
>> Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=
>> duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953&
>> creativeASIN=B4DTNH
>>
>>
>>
>> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could
>> always have it with them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
>>
>> like this
>>
>> but not 2 grand
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
>> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>> because they dont want to trench 

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Steve Jones]

We have a couple of those, i absolutely hate them. Too many rocks around
here. They only work well in spring when the soil id saturated and the sod
is still loose

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:06 AM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> I thought this device looked interesting. Soil conditions obviously make a
> difference in how well it works. Kind of like the edger but modified for
> the wire purpose and more rugged. Chuck could probably build and sell these
> for everyone pretty reasonable or just go to your local welder and have
> them make one for you.
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/kNqOXul-GOQ
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
>
>
> Ive cut enough sod and hand trenched all im going to do anymore. Same
> reason i bought a compactor and quit hand tamping lime
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:34 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Then there's the manual version:
>
> T-Handle Trench Shovel
> 
>
>
>
> I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the
> way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up
> with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to
> close the slot back up.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
>
>
> Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
>
> Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Jon Lee" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
>
>
> Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk
> edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.
>
>
>
> -Jon
>
> Off-Grid Networks
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
> that was flipped over.
>
>
>
> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
> held lawn edger.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH
>
>
>
> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could always
> have it with them.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
>
> like this
>
> but not 2 grand
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>
>
>
> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>
> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under the
> sod.
>
> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>
> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jon Lee
>
> Off-Grid Networks
>
> c.928.793.2972
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Jaime Solorza]

At Tornillo , we used 1 inch 10ft PVC pipe attached to hose to bore under
sidewalks to get fiber from building to building.  Just added pipe as
needed..then use shop vac to clean out excess debris and vacuum jet or mule
tape to pull fiber.  Easy peazy

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:01 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>
> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>> the sod.
>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Brian Webster]

I thought this device looked interesting. Soil conditions obviously make a 
difference in how well it works. Kind of like the edger but modified for the 
wire purpose and more rugged. Chuck could probably build and sell these for 
everyone pretty reasonable or just go to your local welder and have them make 
one for you. 

 

https://youtu.be/kNqOXul-GOQ

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

 

Ive cut enough sod and hand trenched all im going to do anymore. Same reason i 
bought a compactor and quit hand tamping lime

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:34 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Then there's the manual version:  

T-Handle Trench Shovel  

 

 

I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the way 
in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up with a 
skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to close the 
slot back up.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Adam Moffett" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

 

Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.

Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jon Lee" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

 

Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk edger to 
install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs. 

 

-Jon

Off-Grid Networks

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron  
wrote:

We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you 
mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too, but 
more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which only get 
the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would like it to be 
a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow device that goes 
behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty good, but is not 
convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.   However, we can plow 
in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a spool holder and everything. 
.  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and when the grass is really dry, it 
kills the grass as it dries out the sod that was flipped over.  

 

For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the site 
with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand held lawn 
edger.

https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q
 

 
=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH

 

A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could always have 
it with them. 

 

Thanks,

 

David Coudron

 

 

From: Af  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM

like this

but not 2 grand

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for length 
of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.

 

You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done 

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers because 
they dont want to trench cable themselves.

For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under the sod. 

Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw 
modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?

Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally would fit 
in the truck on a shelf

 





 

-- 

Jon Lee

Off-Grid Networks

c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] Remote access and mobile data for tech

[Brian Webster]

I still maintain a 1200 baud packet radio network for amateur radio. For serial 
console router management what you are suggesting on 220 MHz would work great. 
Properly built 1200 baud works surprisingly well still. Hardware and such is 
readily available.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Remote access and mobile data for tech

 

I was talking to Select Spectrum the other day.  They can get you a channel in 
217-220mhz.  The license is for a whole county.  I think the biggest size is 
1mhz, but they'll also do a 100khz channel.  They'll price it by 
Mhz*population.  A tenth of a mhz times the population of a rural county could 
be pretty cheap.  Oh and you can transmit at 50 Watts ERP.  

 

So along these lines I was wondering how feasible it would be to build a little 
low speed OOB management network.  You might only get 100kbps, but 217mhz at 50 
Watts should really travel.  It might be just the thing to get you into your 
hung router.  

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" 

To: "Animal Farm" 

Sent: 4/6/2018 8:56:51 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Remote access and mobile data for tech

 

Does have a learning curve but great technical support with real folks on 
phone

Jaime Solorza

 

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 9:36 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

Cradlepoint is what we are looking toward for sites. Is it as versatile as 
mikrotik for fieldwork? I need easy changes without reboot

 

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 8:35 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

I have zero issues with Cradlepoint Aer1600... T-MOBILE , Wi-Fi and LAN 
connectionsI can use two SIM cards if I need

Jaime Solorza

 

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 6:40 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

May be looking for two separate items here. And rehashing the site remote acces 
questions.

I prefer a multicarrier option, that way if im in the tech van and its verizon 
sim isnt getting quality id like to drop my att straight talk sim in and get 
interwebs.

I prefer mikrotik. I currently use an air router for the install truck and with 
ip aliases i can access all our radios directly from a phone and our long test 
cable. Except not 169.254.1.1 because ubnt chose to hardcode that. If the radio 
connects to our network then we have access to our network from our phone. 
Having the cellular option adds public side access. Plus google earth needs a 
live connection to plot link paths onsite, i did it today on a 300k hotspot 
from my workphone...aweful.

I would like external wifi and cellular antenna options so i dont have to hang 
this out the window in a ziplock baggie, looks kind of ghetto, but it also 
needs to be able to be made portable if im testing where i cant get the van 
close enough to operate off the test cables and have to operate off ac site 
power or out of radio range of the van antenna.

 

Then, of course external remote site access. We had a site router hang the 
other day and had to drive to the site with a subscriber to connect from the 
ground and reboot the ups, otherwise we would have had to climb or trip the 
breaker and wait for the battery to die

Re: [AFMUG] USF on interstate wave

[Roland Houin]

we had a circuit through giglinx.
they sold to gtt, we are now being hit with usf & other fees of over 1,000.
none of the fees including usf with giglinx
no talking to gtt..
 
Roland
 
 
> I am very interested in this question as well. Looking to understand the rulesof which USF taxes is not in place. We have some fiber leases coming up where Iwant to structure things properlyFrom: Af  On Behalf Of Carl PetersonSent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:45 PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: [AFMUG] USF on interstate waveI know this has been covered before... Got hit with a pretty substantial USFsurcharge on a wave by Centurylink even after getting all taxes and feesestimated ahead of time by Level3. USF wasn't in there but now they are sayingpound sand.This is a wave between data centers. Just used for internet. We don't sell VOIP.Is there a way out of this? Is USF appropriate on a wave with no phone service
is involved? Its kind of crazy at 21%<

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Lewis Bergman]

What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media path
and hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how your system
is configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite it can cause one
way audio.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Between phones or through origination/termination?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM  wrote:
>
>> I have extension to extension audio working now but one way outbound
>> audio on outbound calls  arrgh
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] USF on interstate wave

[Paul McCall]

I am very interested in this question as well.  Looking to understand the rules 
of which USF taxes is not in place.  We have some fiber leases coming up where 
I want to structure things properly

From: Af  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] USF on interstate wave

I know this has been covered before...  Got hit with a pretty substantial USF 
surcharge on a wave by Centurylink even after getting all taxes and fees 
estimated ahead of time by Level3.  USF wasn't in there but now they are saying 
pound sand.

This is a wave between data centers.  Just used for internet.  We don't sell 
VOIP.

Is there a way out of this?  Is USF appropriate on a wave with no phone service 
is involved?  Its kind of crazy at 21%