jkeny wrote:
I think you might be confused between real bonkers. By your above
statement you are willing to believe in Swenson's device as a product
that actually do something real because it has a plausible explanation.
Yet no empirical evidence has been shown i.e. no measurements showing
doctor_big wrote:
It's an [ insert something ] circle jerk.. Move along. Nothing to see
here.
Jason
Is this not 95% of treads in any forum especially audioforums , endless
diskussions at full speed to nowhere #128526;
Kind of reminndinds you of Luxmans integrated amps with a tube stage
somewhere , the tube was visible trough a small window in the front of
the amp :) was it in the early90's they did that ?
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rgro wrote:
If you think John's explanation that I referenced has some truth, then
it would appear that most, if not all, USB dacs produce some level of
internal noise from their USB processing chips. And, I suspect many of
us would be, or are, surprised at this.
There is always something
Archimago wrote:
Hey I'd love to try it out and compare to whether it reduces the 8kHz
USB packet noise I reduced with the Corning optical USB a few weeks back
in the blog post.
Anyone in Vancouver with one for me to borrow :-)?
That was interesting that you have a case where this kind of
it does not have any tubes in it :P why is there no tube driven USB
outputs , this cant be good ;) cheers
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No linear supply with rectifier tubes for your pc ? ;)
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Good luck with this ! I can't be a test subject this time due to the
24/96 limit of my system .
However is any comparison done to the original ? I say if what if any of
the converted files sounds different ? They're really should not then we
might have got in the territory of pleasantly
NikolajC wrote:
I have also enjoyed FLAC streaming for some time, but I found the
inability to search in the streams too much of a drawback - so I'm back
to normal Wimp/Tidal again. Unless Ickstream now supports searching in
the stream?
PS: I don't think a digital signal can be above 0db
Having a carpet in front of the speakers like you do helps a bit with
early floor reflections in the midrange .
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Yes thats it if the output of the quipment does not change ( they
electrical output and the soundwaves are the same ) and you still
experience a difference, you are forced to find the explanation
somewhere else :)
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netchord wrote:
perception burn in- interesting concept.
Yes if you move speakers or move to another house, it sounds radically
different for while until you get used to it .
That said I've had bad and good rooms , the bad ones never sounded
really good regardless off time to settle for me or
Daverz wrote:
While I do hear differences between speaker cables, I've never heard
this break-in phenomenon. I've read that it is due to changes in the
dielectric properties of the insulation, but I've never seen a reference
to the physics or electrical engineering literature.
You would
What burns in is your mind :)
Re cables as any reasonably designed cable is the same as any other ,
they can't per definition burn in as you can't hear them in the first
place .
And there is no property that change in any reasonable time span .
cables are the same for decades .
Maybe they
JJZolx wrote:
It's pretty simple, really. There's a big difference between systems
with servers running (mostly) on general purpose computers rather than
having software running on the limited, low power hardware contained in
many devices. It's exactly the same problem that Logitech ran in
Can it not be flash promed with all the 50 usual suspects in audiophile
music :D no internet
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ralphpnj wrote:
Which is EXACTLY what 90% of the garbage on the HP Super Discs lists is
- pure audiophile approved well recorded trash.
I meant on circuits soldered in the device not on removable media :D who
ever want to listen to something else
reinholdk wrote:
Archimago, you should know better that you will not succeed with your
business if you try to undercut the competition. You have to sell with a
higher price!
Yes that's the weird economy for luxury items for the rich .
You sell more if you hike the price ! Porsche did that
poing wrote:
Or a file sharer who doesn't pay for his music ;)
... thats the OCD people here with 45 tracks , you cant possible
listen to that even if you did not have a day job and did it for 10
hours a day . and then only listen once :D
65k is quite possible given that your now in your
Archimago wrote:
Okay. Fine. I have seen the light!
$12,500.01 it is.
Not a penny less! And to optimize the performance of this server
machine, it'll have a 8GB vintage 10-year-old flash drive (because those
were the quietest drives of course!). 2X DVD burner circa 2001 approved
by
In the land of the blind the one eyed is king
Where i live its spotify or wimp . So i try both at the moment . Wonder
if i can try tidal to ? The ios app is it different ?
My beef with spotify is its horrible ios app and wimp is not much
better meh :/
hsmeets wrote:
Aren't tidal and wimp the same? Or at least closely related
Yes but some diffs in design and user experience
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stroom wrote:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/pono-player-and-promises-fulfilled
Interesting review a lot off things about which headphones to use .
So the designer is of the zero feedback faith and apodising filter faith
.
Any one used the store yet to buy some music .
Apesbrain wrote:
Another recent review and some measurements here:
http://www.stereophile.com/content/pono-ponoplayer-portable-music-player
Thanks that put even more insigths to it .
Where to start , if you for religious reasons resorts to filters that
re-introduce aliasing artifacts in the
Archimago wrote:
Yup... All valid points and I wish we could just have straightforward
information on pedigree. Like the SPARS code in the old days, it was all
meant to be a simple designation. The Wiki notes both Lack of detail
and Implications of quality as very valid criticisms as well.
Other things to consider .
HD tracks have a lot of 24/192 that actually are SACD rips ? what about
the ultrasonic grunge in those ? and how to classify that .
More interesting why not use the intrinsic resolution in the recording
itself as a benchmark .
Old analog 60's rock classic master
Wombat wrote:
I have no idea if this helps. None if it guarantees good sound.
My biggest problem with downloads in online shops today is how the
16/44.1 version is created from the HiBit version in the same shop. It
is a gamble. When asking before buying you normaly get no answer.
Yes if
Wombat wrote:
I lately was shopping for the last Ben Howard and asked qobuz about the
different versions but got no answer. I did bite the bullet and got me
the 24/48 version after finding no real info on the net.
The 24/48 version is indeed 5dB less compressed. Imho i should be able
to
Found some history here .
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/early-pop-rock-full-digital-recordings.211920/
And here .
http://www.aes.org/aeshc/pdf/fine_dawn-of-digital.pdf
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OT fell free to direct me to another tread if one exist .
Really old CD's can have pre-emphasise aplied they then the CD player
used its de-emphasis filter to counteract ?
( a rise in the treble to avoid noise in the recording equipment , the
subsequent damping of it in the playback system )
cliveb wrote:
Early CDs did not sound universally bad. One of the first CDs I bought
was Pictures at an Exhibition on Telarc (Cleveland Orchestra, Maazel).
It sounded fabulous back in the 1980s and still sounds fabulous today.
My first CD player was a Philips 104 - which I believe was
I do think it's a bit of a culture/future shock when cd was released .
We where simply used to how the vinyl sounded and vinyl is not really
the same as good analog ( reel to,reel tape is ) . And maybe just maybe
there was something to digital ready after al ;) some equipment
migth not have
andy_c wrote:
Don't get me started on non-oversampling DACs!
There's an obsolete chip made by Philips, the TDA1541A, that's become a
fetish item in high-end circles. '_Here_is_but_one_web_page_'
(http://www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/TDA1541%20corner/TDA1541.html)
devoted to singing its
cliveb wrote:
Forgive me if I've misunderstood your position here, but you seem to be
giving Stereophile some points for bothering to measure the device and
publish the figures.
But: having measured this DAC and discovered how catastrophically broken
it is, the review bends over backwards
and further they risk to upsett more than one brand . one fundamental
myth of high end is that price corelates strongly to soundquality that
you can not get perfection for less than multiple 1000$ . 30k$ dac are
common or 100k$ preamps ?
So i'm surprised that they even dare to say that something
Gandhi wrote:
That thread mentions an absolute goldmine of crazy. Bury most of your
face in pillows and read with eyes half-closed! You have been warned.
http://www.stereophile.com/content/zanden-5000-mkivsignature-da-converter-2000-premium-cd-transport-measurements
andy_c wrote:
Wow, the
ralphpnj wrote:
Exactly my point - while Stereophile's measurements may be revealing and
useful to a knowledgeable reader who understands how to read and
interpret them, JA's remarks about how the measurements relate to the
equipment's sound are pure marketing BS.
The really silly part , he
andy_c wrote:
Same here! In fact, I decided to get into EE because of my interest in
the hobby back in the 1970s.
Same here again!
Here are some of my previous blunders:
In the mid 1980s through the early 1990s, I bought:
Linn Sondek turntable
Magnepan MGIII speakers
Upon
We Done this before , but honorably candidates from my long and sordid
career as an audiophile crackpot was all those cables ? Including Varius
VdH alpha core and audio quests ,caldera speaker wires and those really
silly signal cables with batteries :confused: to bias the dielectric ...
( all,of
Gandhi wrote:
Maybe I'll treat myself to a shiny, new Ethernet cable.
The silver in them must be hand forged by singing virgins in the
moonlight or possibly elfs . Otherwise they won't do .
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Julf wrote:
Unfortunately I have already come across audiophiles arguing that the
demonstration is pointless, as the intermediate digital steps don't
matter - the point of the Very Expensive Audiophool Ethernet Cable is to
isolate your music streamer from the nasty noise in computers (and I
netchord wrote:
is '$8.98 super expensive?'
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GK5UI06/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8psc=1)
i recently switched from transporter connected wirelessly, to wired w/
the above cable to an Airport Extreme, which in turn connects wirelessly
to another
philippe_44 wrote:
Quick question: you've lost me here ... I fully agree with you wrt the
insanities I'm reading like this NAS or this hardrive is giving a much
deeper sound - this is laughable, but intermediate steps do not matter,
they really don't. Your signal can come from Mars, being
Sorry for rambling , some cables do for example provide silver
conductors which in this aplication makes no difference what so ever .
So some high ends mods are not harmful they just do nothing at all .
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I'm cheaper than you :) I can change my opinions completely for no more
than 200k$ I'm investing in a new apartment . I'll photograph my hifi
rig with all the fancy cables and publish in any hifi fora of your
choice .
Cable vendors please pm me ...
But joking aside a pity that the throughput
Thanks for trying . Pity the link was not fast enough for every test or
listening .
Now maybe i should pay for an 100mB uplink :) that would make streaming
trouble free from where ever i'm at , before Spotify i used to do this
when travelling to get music to my hotell .inside Sweden the hotel
Yea yeah I put my end of the cable on cable lifters :rolleyes:
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Bedroom/Office:
kidstypike wrote:
It also helps if you use these for storage:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/sony-announces-100-premium-sound-memory-card-for-audiophiles
:confused:
If we are to trust absolute sound all hope is gone Archimago copied the
test files to his ftp server from which I then
ralphpnj wrote:
That time difference is going to really going to add some delay to the
music. Archimago most likely will still be listening to the first
movement of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony while back in Västerås you'll be
singing Ode to Joy :)
More worried about relativistic jitter (TM)
Archimago wrote:
Yup... Let's do this man. PM'ed you!
DL'ed the files they are in my server ,sorry for the dealy feel asleep
.
There is a time difference 23:20 in Toronto 05:20 in Västerås +- some
jitter :D
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Julf wrote:
I hope you didn't take the boat. I still remember the times I did the
crossing in the cheap cabins at the water line back in my student days -
those ships are class A1 ice breakers, but the noise of the ice hitting
the hull right at where your bunk is is something else...
Nope
Back from my trip to Finland , still interest in long distance ethernet
test . Looking at your comment field for this blog, it starts to get a
bit nutty .
Wonder if you get discount from audioquest if you wish to cross the
atlantic with thier cable :rolleyes:
I have 100/10 mb ethernet rigth into my wall I'm curently at work in
another country i'll pm when I'm back unless someone else does it :)
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Wonder how the poor sod's using wimp/tidal are having it . We must
insist that they wire up with those silver ethernet cables :rolleyes:
and change their SATA cables .
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Julf wrote:
But you can't measure what we hear :)
I guess the only frontier remaining unmeasured is the issue of
supposedly bit-perfect, but better player software.
Oh think our hero used some of these in another blog ? Or at least loads
his pc close to 100% with other task at the same
Julf wrote:
I am thinking about starting an audiophile internet service provider,
where all cables and routers are proper audiophile spec stuff...
To really bury this issue we could place the test files on our servers
and temporarily portforward LMS and let Archimago measure :D
Julf wrote:
I am thinking about starting an audiophile internet service provider,
where all cables and routers are proper audiophile spec stuff...
Include free streaming of jazz at the pawnshop and i'm on .
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Archimago wrote:
:-)
Actually I can do this already because my dad has a Touch across town
that links to my home server. I seriously hope we don't need to do this
kind of extreme testing to prove a point about digital data integrity
and the ability for the devices to buffer enough of the
Gazjam wrote:
Heh.
touche. :)
No axe to grind chaps, just getting back into the swing of things.
As always, more than one way to skin a cat.
Or play a Vinyl , lot of chaps here are actually digitising their stuff
, they do retain the cherished euphonics of their origin (test have been
probedb wrote:
That's really odd. The compression has no effect on decompression time
for FLAC afaik. If you use a higher number to compress it doesn't make
it any more difficult to decompress.
Even my original Slim Devices SB3 has never once tripped on a single
FLAC, 16/44.1 or 24/96 and
What's wrong with pretty box :) transporter is a classic . Personally I
have a Touch and as digital transport it's exatly as god as my meridian
DVDA player ( as any decently functional digital transport nowadays any
oppo or better ) .
The TP is darn cool , re old digital audio took giant leaps
paulster wrote:
One thing I'll add is that if you DAC can handle DSD then you might be
able to consider encoding your DSD music into DoP FLAC format, so it is
still native DSD but inside a PCM wrapper.
Only thing I'm not sure of is whether 24/96 is a sufficiently-sized
container for it.
where is the high end switch to accompany this ? with a discrete
balanced power supply per ethernet conector , with aircraft aluminium
front panel...
Do wee need cable lifters (risers ) to enjoy the full pf.. :D
how can they even begin to argument for silver wires in an Ethernet
cable
Julf wrote:
'iZotope vinyl'
(https://www.izotope.com/en/products/effects-instruments/vinyl/)
Does it simulate the other things like frequency dependent channel
separation ,phase variations and a slight acoustic feedback :)
The background noise has an interesting feature it has something akin
Mike Sargent wrote:
I think there is serious money to be made by someone who builds a device
that sits between a CD player and an amp that introduces all of the
distortions, frequency limitations, wow flutter, etc. that vinyl has,
and then periodically adds a click or snap to the audio and
Archimago wrote:
Yeah. That's a tragedy IMO! As much as I can enjoy needle drops, they're
still obviously not as good as the original direct-to-digital.
Please indulge me for a second...
/rant on!/
It's really quite sad that on the one hand we have folks like Neil Young
pushing
Julf wrote:
Indeed. No need to try to rationalize it with pseudoscience, voodoo and
mumbo-jumbo.
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philippe_44 wrote:
Unfortunately much more than they do really know, I agree :) ... and
this is what enjoyment should never be: rationalized. Try, experience
and the 'good' thing is what you like, at the end
Yes ofcourse ,but it helps to realize that a CD as container is a good
enough fit
paulster wrote:
I'd be interested to see measurements. I've had two of them, one that
sounded noticeably different to the other (which is a QC worry), but
neither of them could hold a candle to the other couple of 9018-based
DACs I have in my systems. The owner of one of them came over all
Gandhi wrote:
I noticed that Event actually shows distortion figures in percent for
the whole speaker system and not just the amplifier. Also, the figures
are better than I'd have expected. But why the 3rd harmonic?
OPAL 2-way 750-watt Active Monitor: 3rd Harmonic Distortion @ 90dB SPL,
Archimago wrote:
Hmmm. Still no measurements yet!
Yes no measurement ? But it's seems nice enough portable player with
good headphone drive capability actually quite ok.
But as stated that would not sell , let's get on the HRA hype bandwagon
:D
Considering that many headfi guys lug around
Archimago wrote:
Yeah. That's a good one! Will be very interesting to see what happens to
Pono now in the public eye. No surprise for folks who've tried tests
with hi-res audio. As suspected, very possible to see a public backlash
for the unrealistic silly hype. I still just hope the
I think my audiophile card got revoked when I put my high end cable
collection in the recycling dumpster including a set of audio quest
caldera speaker wires
Anyhow I do sometimes buy the HiRez version of something if it's aviable
, but I rarely go above 24/96 that's good enough .
Archimago wrote:
Ouch. Couldn't you resell some of that stuff and get a few bucks back?
That's what a friend did... Got rid of all his expensive wires, stayed
with some Mogami's. Tells me he has been happy to be free of the cable
obsession since.
No I thought it immoral to do soo I did not
ralphpnj wrote:
I believe that every member of the US Congress and Senate is a charter
member of the science is only good when it supports our views club.
That's a thing about science the results are true even if you dont like
them or believe in them .
extremely annoying when your job is to
There is also a factor with badly desiged equipment, a DAC or AV amp
could actually sound different with diffrent source formats , how is it
with DSD for example .
High end or not , bad design can pop up anywhere . But high end is
actually a more likely place more cultish design done by ear
darrenyeats wrote:
These internet arguments are tiring. I just take a personal approach. So
far I've decided through my own listening (some sighted some blind) that
lossless 16/44 is better than Spotify (albeit slightly) but I've not
heard any convincing demonstration of an audible
You may treat yourself to a used squeezebox Touch or some of the DIY
players later on if want a digital out .
More on actives , I use a pair of Adam a3x for my computer that's also a
good speaker .
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You dont have to limit yourself to actives with 3,5mm sockets , there
are cables with 3,5 mm to RCA .
It works both ways if you have speakers with 3,5mm sockets a player wth
rca out can be used with such a cable
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Imo even ambiance helps if done rigth with 5 speaker the stereo image
can get wider deeper and higher than with 2 speakers .
And in my case the midrange gets much better for song due the favorable
position ( acoustic you know ) of my center speaker .
Another interesting factor that also can be a
Archimago wrote:
True, speaker position is an issue... However, I wonder if in the
multichannel world, there might actually be a little more
standardization. For example the 'ITU-R BS.775-3'
(http://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/bs/R-REC-BS.775-3-201208-I!!PDF-E.pdf)
specifies
Even if Radio is not as good source component as the Touch .
The biggest difference will still be the speakers . If you can hear the
difference between the speakers , you can hear it with a Radio too . In
general the difference between speakers are much bigger than between
digital players .
I do have a lot of DVDA in 5.1 it does really sound good , some mixes
are gimicky but there are good ones like the discs AIX put out a decade
ago .
As i have a Meridian system i have well functioning surround modes even
for 2ch music I often use these they enhance the experience in some
I think wombat is joking :) .
The general pointlessness of DSD ( as a consumer playback system ) is
another topic
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ralphy wrote:
I use linux and the process described on the 'wiki'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Play_DVD_Tracks) which uses
spdifconvert.py to encapsulate ac3 or dts into flac. There's a link to
download the script on the wiki.
To avoid a blast of static on a stereo only setup,
The only way to get multichannel is ac3 or dts files compressed as flac
or wav .
Thats what toslink or spdiff supports
But with so many third party players aviable with hdmi capable hardware
,
Maybe its time to support 5.1 flac files ?
Mr young cant work magic either ,apparently ?
The elephant in the room is that as a reseller you just dont have
creative control over what masters you get ! the record companys sends
what they see fit .
Mr Young has control over his own stuff and also apparently used the
best ones he had ,even
rgro wrote:
Much appreciated, Michael. The Revels actually sound terrific in the
configuration I have them where they are equidistantjust the usual
nervosa that maybe that extra 2 db to balance the right speaker would
make things sound even better! I think the room compensation
Yes is esential to keep the speaker distance to listening position the
same for stereo .
A speaker arrangement with such a big flaw is not really usable ?
Headphones is an idea .
Or can the room be rearranged ? Use another wall for the hifi .
Use a home theater reciever or processor , they can
pablolie wrote:
we talk about money, and yet how successfully are encoding algorithms
when it comes to monetization? even the MP3 inventors gave up on it.
i would get the software business motivation, hey, audiophile software,
subscription fees... sure. my posts in these very forums are
Did you test the same input , not only the same cable ? For example
don't use the phono input it only works for pickups not line level
sources .
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Wombat wrote:
Don't worry to much about this paper. They proved that by 56% (slightly
better as flipping a coin) on 45.000$ speakers with special treated
silent room using SUB-standard filtering that lowpassed music can be
discerned.
The exact filters used with MatLab were not offered,
The SE was made from leftover parts and spares , but they where out of
nav wheels .
So it's the same player .
Yes I also keep spare parts :) got one unused Touch my old SB3 and my
old duet boxed up
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I'm very tempted to upgrade my kitchen setup , it does not get as much
use as it should.
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A solution in search for a problem ?
What I think the world does not need yet another proprietary licensed
format or any new music format , music files and steaming are already to
confusing for the avarage joe . I would rather like to reduce the format
count .
Mores law will fix any data rate
I'll go for EZ-drive over SCSI :) probably like one cartridge per track
It's awkward old fashioned and obsoleta tech so it must be
audiophile rigth ? There aren HP DDC tape drives at work used in some of
our obsolete tech Hmmm
cliveb wrote:
Excellent point.
And I see a gap in the audiophool marketplace: belt-drive hard disks!
was it not some crackpot company that sold a belt drive CD player :)
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Apesbrain wrote:
Still around:
http://www.cec-web.co.jp/products/cdplayer/tl0x/tl0x_e.html
Oh they upgraded it , retail is only 20 - 25k$ for a transport :) this
is so silly considering ripping with the help of accurate rip is better
than any cd drive can possible bee and the design is
philippe_44 wrote:
This is so ridiculous when you have a small idea (even a very small
idea) of what error correction code is ... having said that, the object
looks nice and they could perfectly sell it for design purpose ... but
all that technical BS covering is almost an insult to
Another sad fact can be that audiophile equipment can be badly designed
so that factors that should not matter actually do ? :)
Power amps that's gets unstable without special speaker cables etc .
Or circuit design with very bad or none power supply rejection ratio
,which demands uber designed
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