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2008-06-10 Thread Ken Young
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: this is a core part of my point. i stare at this screen every day. i know its dpi. most people imho will never make use of such a dpi as they literally can't see it - they will NEED to use much bigger fonts just to see something other than a blur. thus

comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Ron K. Jeffries
[I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of free and open source) how does the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB compare with Freerunner GTA02. where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone has vs

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:43:22 -0700 Dave O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I said this in the channel but you weren't there. We should be going forward with specs, not backward. By the time the next revisions come there'll be a whole new generation of hardware so the freerunner will then

RE: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices have yet to be announced. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron K. Jeffries Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 10:38 PM To: OpenMoko Subject: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? | | iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand | on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of Yep, just sticking to hardware... | free and

Re: SMT is running!

2008-06-10 Thread Gianluigi
Alle 03:39, martedì 10 giugno 2008, steve ha scritto:  So I got word from the factory that we have our date.  And we got the line.  And parts are being planted on boards this week.  I know it's been a long wait for everybody, but the stone is almost to the top of the hill. Greats!!! Now

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Rahul Joshi
3G iPhone coverage: http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/wwdc-2008-coverage-roundup-the-iphone-3g-has-landed/ Its a good phone. extended Office functionality is missing though. $199 is just too good a price to beat. Rahul J On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL

Acceleration in our pockets

2008-06-10 Thread David Samblas Martinez
I have seen it this morning in the planet.openmoko.com, http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ Andrzej balrog-kun Zaborowski was able to use mplayer with glamo hardware acceleration Not all is lost to have some decent(not excelent but barelly usable is enough)

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 22:37:33 -0700 Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of free and open source) how does the entry level $199 iPhone with

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread kenneth marken
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 07:37:33 Ron K. Jeffries wrote: -- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?) i do belive the iphone is lower dpi as the GTA02 is smaller in size, but higher in rez. -- proximity sensor (knows when held to face, can dim screen) that is probably just the

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Kalle Happonen
Hello, I won't coment on the techical specs, but the pricing is in no way comparable. The iPhone v2 might be 199$, but that's with a 2 year ATT subscription. If you want a real comparison of the real device price, at least double the iPhone price. There was some country where Apple had to sell

Re: resolution preferences??

2008-06-10 Thread Sander van Grieken
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:51:58 + (UTC) elektrolott [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: The only reason for me considering the Freerunner is the VGA display. I don't car much about videos on portable devices, but I want a sharp large screen for navigation (maps), browsing (www), reading/composing

Re: resolution preferences??

2008-06-10 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 02:45:20 Carsten Haitzler wrote: lots of devices out there with the same specs - or much better. 800x480 @3.2 or even 2.8 are out there and selling. on shelves - from major manufacturers. Show me one with GSM and Linux. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: Acceleration in our pockets

2008-06-10 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I have seen it this morning in the planet.openmoko.com, | http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ | Andrzej balrog-kun Zaborowski was able to use mplayer with glamo |

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread arne anka
i've fairly amazed at the number of people saying their eyesight is so good as it is in stark contrast to my experience over the years, but ok - i'll take it for what it is. i didn't know how many people really could see the difference AND make use of it. i'm surprised. well, i think

latest stable rootfs and kernel

2008-06-10 Thread rakshat hooja
A request - can anyone identify the latest stable kernel and rootfs (ASU and GTK) for the Freerunner and Neo 1973. I have trying them from 10 june backwards and almost all of them crash after booting or cannot make phone calls. thanks Rakshat ___

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread arne anka
It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices have yet to be announced. as i understand, 199 is apple's price -- providers may subsidise the iphone, too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: SMT is running!

2008-06-10 Thread arne anka
I know it's been a long wait for everybody, but the stone is almost to the top of the hill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: resolution preferences??

2008-06-10 Thread Ilja O.
I'm sorry to break into your nice flamewar, but I've just wanted to ask: pro-QVGA people, are you serious? In two years (yep, that's when GTA03 will be released judging by GTA01-02) QVGA will be just like floppy drives on notebooks - totally non completive. And won't be because everybody *really

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Rahul Joshi
In comparison to other phones on similar subscription plans $199 is quite a steal. That never ending list of specs! I'm no appleguy but I gotta hand it to 3G. Rahul J On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I won't coment on the techical specs, but the

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Hi Carsten I suppose you passion to be in favor of qvga has to have an strong reason. You have asked to us why be prefer vga vs qvga and I thing this long long thread can be resumed as because is better (isolating it to resolution question only) I propose you to the answer the reverse

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Steven Le Roux
it's not 199$... cause it's a subsidized phone... try to get it without any operator contract... at 199$ ;) 2008/6/10 Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 3G iPhone coverage: http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/wwdc-2008-coverage-roundup-the-iphone-3g-has-landed/ Its a good phone. extended Office

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread Wilkinson, Alex
0n Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 01:43:08PM +0800, Carsten Haitzler wrote: we are in a world where to get gfx support to run such high resolutions means we need to have closed drivers. and that is not Curious, why is that ? -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian

Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Ilja O.
About data wipe: I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number? And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it? Phone could wipe itself if another SIM card is inserted AND upon SMS message receiving. If you have several SIM cards, than we could create simple SIM card

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Raphael Wimmer
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:45:18 +0200, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 10 June 2008 07:37:33 Ron K. Jeffries wrote: -- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?) i do belive the iphone is lower dpi as the GTA02 is smaller in size, but higher in rez. --

Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
I suppose the cell phone number should be more then unique enough. On 6/10/08, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About data wipe: I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number? And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it? Phone could wipe itself if another SIM

Iphone proximity sensor (was: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02)

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Or you just use an infrared proximity sensor. I was thinking it might be possible to do the same on the Freerunner with the accelerometers. On 6/10/08, Raphael Wimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:45:18 +0200, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 10 June 2008

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:10:20 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi Carsten I suppose you passion to be in favor of qvga has to have an strong reason. You have asked to us why be prefer vga vs qvga and I thing this long long thread can be resumed as because is

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Kalle Happonen
arne anka wrote: It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices have yet to be announced. as i understand, 199 is apple's price -- providers may subsidise the iphone, too. No, 199$ is a operator subsidised price. from

Fwd: Re: latest stable rootfs and kernel

2008-06-10 Thread Roland Häder
Doh? It fires up but where is this beautiful desktop wallpaper? Ok, maybe I can find it somewhere in the configs. :) Roland signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: latest stable rootfs and kernel

2008-06-10 Thread Roland Häder
On Tuesday, 10. June 2008, rakshat hooja wrote: A request - can anyone identify the latest stable kernel and rootfs (ASU and GTK) for the Freerunner and Neo 1973. I have trying them from 10 june backwards and almost all of them crash after booting or cannot make phone calls. The latest stable

Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Ilja O.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose the cell phone number should be more then unique enough. Yup. But I don't know if we're able to obtain it (don't see reason to RTFM before obtaining of Freerunner).

No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread Justyn Butler
2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i'd love a better cpu - better memory bus and much more. right now the only thing we have is gta03 - same cpu as freerunner etc etc. just different gsm subsystem (2g/edge) and no glamo (dumb 2442 fb), new case, added camera. Hi,

Re: resolution preferences??

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw, QVGA won't cost much less (it doesn't now and in two years it could be, in fact, more expensive than VGA). That has been especially true of flash drives - I remember seeing a 16MB flash drive that cost more then the same

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread rakshat hooja
as i have said before - gta03 is vga - as it stands, but can go to qvga easily, but is unlikely to. in the future who knows. it'd be a tradeoff of screen pixel count vs processor speed vs any graphics acceleration we can get - if any. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/6/9 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide font - possible (3 pixels

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread Lally Singh
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:44 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:10:20 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi Carsten I suppose you passion to be in favor of qvga has to have an strong reason. You have asked to us why

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: nb - your chars just become tall (3x7). eg: % # # # # # S ## # # # ## s ## ## ## ## $ # ## ## # ## ## # @ ## # # ### ### ### # ## # # # # # ### # # ### # # # # o # #

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: what people have been saying here is that they have excellent eyesight and can see a tin 2.8 vga screen well enough to make use of it. like really see the difference and be able to do things with that res that would be not possible,

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread arne anka
eg we make a miniature phone that is 1/2 the size of the freerunner - qvga is very very likely - or even less as vga just wont be available at that size well, less physical size is a very plausible rationale for qvga (or hvga) -- but, as i understand, we are talking about the size of the

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread wim . delvaux
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 13:46:59 Justyn Butler wrote: 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i'd love a better cpu - better memory bus and much more. right now the only thing we have is gta03 - same cpu as freerunner etc etc. just different gsm subsystem (2g/edge) and

Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Hi guys, we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not cut it. However just recently I ponder whether I should remove

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: comment related-to-parent-poster=no Sheesh, what's with all the hate? I swear the open source community should sometimes just be called the hater's club. This page [1] is generally a good overview of the iPhone. Lets be

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread rakshat hooja
Maybe this was a typo, but are you saying that the current plan is to ditch the existing GSM subsystem yet replace it with a modem that can't even handle 3G? That sounds crazy! Think of GTA03 as the with camera variation of Freerunner . GTA04 most prob will have 3G and hopefully other

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread cedric cellier
I do not understand this thurst for specs comparisons, since what's interresting in Apple's product is generally the software. So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ? What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ? I checked both openmoko and maemo,

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Rahul Joshi
Will this mean I wont be able to hear an SMS arrive in background while I listen to music? Rahul J On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for

Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Ilja O.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Benedikt Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ilja O. schrieb: About data wipe: I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number? And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it? Phone could wipe itself if another SIM card is

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix

Re: Landscape keyboard

2008-06-10 Thread Ortwin Regel
Interesting idea. There are some problems I see with it: -The screen is very small so typing with two thumbs and trying to see what you type gets difficult. -When you type with two fingers, you happen to touch the screen with both at once sometimes and with our resistive touchscreen that registers

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:01:03 +0530 rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: as i have said before - gta03 is vga - as it stands, but can go to qvga easily, but is unlikely to. in the future who knows. it'd be a tradeoff of screen pixel count vs processor speed vs any graphics

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:46:59 +0100 Justyn Butler justynbutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i'd love a better cpu - better memory bus and much more. right now the only thing we have is gta03 - same cpu as freerunner etc etc. just

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Alexander Köb
hi Mickey, click sound is normally the first thing I deactivate when I get a new phone that uses this. thanks for asking BTW. have fun k. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Yorick Matthys
Won't the constant use of the vibrator decrease our FreeRunners expected lifetime? I don't really need a clicking sound, but the phone should be able to inform us with an audio signal that we are recieving a call/SMS, even when we are listening to music Michael, did you recieve my mail to

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:57:36 +0300 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: nb - your chars just become tall (3x7). eg: % # # # # # S ## # # # ## s ## ## ## ## $ # ##

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread Justyn Butler
2008/6/10 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not at all. First, 03 is about evolution, so change as few parts as possible. Sorry I didn't make it clearer, but what I find so surprising is that the GSM subsystem IS being changed but the opportunity to upgrade to 3G is not being taken.

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread rakshat hooja
3 480x272. it's thinner than the current vga 2.8 by a fair bit and a tiny bit longer (as it is wide). it seems almost the perfect screen for a smaller/slimmer model like gta04/05 etc. same # of pixels as the PSP screen, but in a much smaller space. http://www.firefox.com Good enough for

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread arne anka
Opinions? my 2c: i hate those accoustic feedbacks. isn't it possible to use the vibration for that kind of feedback, if somebody likes it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread Stroller
On 10 Jun 2008, at 02:17, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: browsing full web pages scrammed into a 2.8 screen as many have suggested, is really... pushing such a tiny screen far beyond its usefulness. web pages are designed for 14 or 17 screens or so. squeezing them down into

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Alexander Frøyseth
Never used it, and will never do it ;) So for me, just remove it Alexander Frøyseth Michael 'Mickey' Lauer skrev: Hi guys, we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: correct. no 3g for gta03. Could you confirm if there is edge, or just normal GPRS? Cheers, Federico ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread robert lazarski
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:57:36 +0300 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: nb - your chars just become tall (3x7). eg: I understand. I would

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread arne anka
So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ? What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ? I checked both openmoko and maemo, and Im more and more afraid of how far we are (we = the FOSS people) from Apple and Google. why should we compete with apple

GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-10 Thread Ortwin Regel
There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but size! If the GTA03 get's a

Re:Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread damien.thebault
Hi guys, we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not cut it. Hi, I saw threads about this on the pulseaudio-discuss

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread Piotr Duda
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) pisze: [...] maybe it just needs people to actually use it for a while and they might begin to see that a lower res screen may just be fine and not as bad as they think. the things you want to do are possible at lower resolutions. well, as for now I have

Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Stroller
On 10 Jun 2008, at 14:08, Benedikt Schindler wrote: Ilja O. schrieb: About data wipe: I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number? And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it? Phone could wipe itself if another SIM card is inserted AND upon SMS message

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Schuster
Hi, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer schrieb: we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not cut it. However just recently I

Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Jorge .
Hello everyone, I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone. Everyone knows their advantages and disadvantages and at least for me the main reason to buy an openmoko is the freedom. But the new iPhone 3G price was announced, and the 8 Gigas version will cost only $199 USD and

Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Ortwin Regel wrote: There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but

Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Brian C
cedric cellier wrote: [snip] So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ? What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ? [snip] The MobileMe initiative was a far bigger announcement yesterday than the 3G iPhone. Once one uses a Treo or similar linked to

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Peter Kraker
As long as visual feedback is adequate, I don't see why not. Michael 'Mickey' Lauer pravi: Hi guys, we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was because of mixing, since

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Asheesh Laroia
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Hi guys, we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not cut it. Is

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Jorge . wrote: Hello everyone, I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone. Everyone knows their advantages and disadvantages and at least for me the main reason to buy an openmoko is the freedom. But the new iPhone 3G price was announced, and the 8 Gigas version will cost

GTA - Two models? Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-10 Thread Roland Häder
My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the market asks for this: - An OpenMoko for younger people who need the gaming controls Ortwin is mentioning as subject for removal. - Another OpenMoko for professionals/business/older people without the gameing controls but

Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Ilja O.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having said that, why wait for an incoming text? Why not just have the phone wipe itself when the SIM card changes? That's what i was proposing from the beginning. ___ Openmoko

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread ian douglas
Robert Taylor wrote: You pay through the nose for it because you HAVETO sign up for a 2 year contract minimum. Granted, the Apple and ATT partnership greatly subsidizes the cost, because of the $960 ($40/mo unlimited data plan for 2 yrs) to $2400 ($100/mo unlimited voice/data for 2 yrs) that

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Jorge . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone. Everyone knows their advantages and disadvantages and at least for me the main reason to buy an openmoko is the freedom. But the new iPhone 3G

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread Dave O'Connor
I'm with Robert on this one. Took me a while to parse many of the characters on that image. On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, robert lazarski wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:57:36 +0300 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread ian douglas
Ilja O. wrote: Why not just have the phone wipe itself when the SIM card changes? That's what i was proposing from the beginning. But for users like me with multiple valid SIM cards, I think being able to run a script/app on the phone that says this SIM is valid, don't do a wipe would be

Audio in qemu?

2008-06-10 Thread Roland Häder
Hi, I wonder if audio support is available when I build the qemu with MokoMakefile and make qemu? Sorry for bad english. :) I'm still improving it. ;) BTW: I have added --enable-alsa to the configure script because I have ALSA here. Roland signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread ian douglas
Federico Lorenzi wrote: The 3G iPhone does not cost $199. It costs $199 when subsidized through a 2 year ATT contract. Thats like saying my Nokia E51 costs nothing, because I got it free with a 2 year contract. ... and per my last Email, the lack of subsidies for the Freerunner, where you

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Ortwin Regel
What the hell?! Seems like a lot of people STILL don't get it: The iPhone does NOT cost 199$. It's a marketing lie. The actual price is 199$ + a two year contract. That makes it probably closer to 1000$. The Neo is still very very cheap compared to that, especially considering how few Neo phones

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Stroller
On 10 Jun 2008, at 14:13, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: ... we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not cut it.

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Ortwin Regel
There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no monthly fees at all. Much cheaper for me than any contract. So for me the price advantage over an

Re: GTA - Two models? Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-10 Thread Ortwin Regel
For the record: I was talking about the gaming controls of my Tapwave Zodiac. I realize that this was probably not all that clear from the context and apologize. I think branching into multiple devices starts making sense with the switch to a new SoC. As it is, it looks like GTA03 is supposed to

Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Dave O'Connor
For bonus marks, have it send gps coordinates charged against the new sim card's account every few minutes and see the look on his face when cops walk up to him :) On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Stroller wrote: On 10 Jun 2008, at 14:08, Benedikt Schindler wrote: Ilja O. schrieb: About data wipe:

QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 - product management, features assumptions

2008-06-10 Thread Ken Young
Stroller wrote: Reading these posts of the last few days it has just occurred to me that it's not Carsten we should be beating up on here. Who the heck asked for translucency and flashy animations? Management seem to be asking for this alpha bleeding rubbish, and it seems to me that we

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 - product management, features assumptions

2008-06-10 Thread Ortwin Regel
Well said. Ortwin On 6/10/08, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 Jun 2008, at 01:56, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: ... i am asked by product management to do things that are just not possible in vga (to do sanely/fast). ... in the end if product management want X they get X.

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 14:46, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Tuesday 10 June 2008 13:46:59 Justyn Butler wrote: 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i'd love a better cpu - better memory bus and much more. right now the only thing we have is gta03 - same cpu as

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Dave O'Connor
You've forgotten about the extra grand and a half in contract charges. (that's just in the US, I hate to think what they'll be like here in Canada). Seems inexpensive to me :) On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Jorge . wrote: Hello everyone, I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone.

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 - product management, features assumptions

2008-06-10 Thread Lally Singh
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 Jun 2008, at 01:56, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: ... i am asked by product management to do things that are just not possible in vga (to do sanely/fast). ... in the end if product management want X they get X.

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 - product management, features assumptions

2008-06-10 Thread Steven Milburn
I have used an iPhone, my wife's. The animations are pretty at first. After a while, they're just annoying. My wife gets impatient waiting for windows to get out of the way so she can get on with what she's trying to do. What's really funny is that some times the phone will do all that neat

RE: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Jorge .
*sigh* The 3G iPhone does not cost $199. It costs $199 when subsidized through a 2 year ATT contract. Thats like saying my Nokia E51 costs nothing, because I got it free with a 2 year contract. Just look Ebay, amazon, etc... you can buy unlocked iPhones for almost the price they have

Is openmoko-devel-image supported any more?

2008-06-10 Thread Bobby Martin
I tried to dfu burn a new image (well, an old image - the latest recommended openmoko-devel-image) last night, then opkg install some standard stuff I've been using. Tangogps, several python packages, openmoko-keyboard, that sort of thing. The burning went fine, but after the opkg update

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Ortwin Regel wrote: There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no monthly fees at all. Much cheaper for me than any contract. So for me the

Re: GTA - Two models? Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-10 Thread JW
On 10/06/2008, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think branching into multiple devices starts making sense with the switch to a new SoC Trouble enough to produce one model :-) . As it is, it looks like GTA03 is supposed to be the Neo camera edition. Nope Read mails elsewhere

Re: GTA - Two models? Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Roland Häder wrote: My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the market asks for this: - An OpenMoko for younger people who need the gaming controls Ortwin is mentioning as subject for removal. - Another OpenMoko for professionals/business/older people without the

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread john
Yeh it is all relative to your country and usage pattern. In the UK you can get a prepaid SIM with data capped at £1 per day. I don't need a contract (I don't make many calls/sms) so the cost of the Freerunner is a lot more attractive to me! Especially at it seems Apple will now make you activate

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Lally Singh
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no monthly fees at all. Much

interface for people with very poor eyesight?

2008-06-10 Thread joakim
I'm investigating a phone for a person whos recently lost most of his eyesight and thinking about the freerunner. Does anyone have experience with phones for nearly blind people? I'm considering the freerunner rather than a simple phone with very large buttons for the following reasons: - it

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