ian douglas wrote:
> Robert Taylor wrote:
> > I'm not dropping this. You still have it wrong.
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> I'm not trying to win the overall argument, I just want you to
> acknowledge that my position is as valid as your own, as I do for your
> position in point #2 below.
>
>
Ian, I ack
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 18:08 -0700, ian douglas wrote:
> Robert Taylor wrote:
>
> > If you want to compare the total cost, compare the total cost of buying
> > the new iphone UNLOCKED at retail cost (you can't) plus the data package
> > and THEN we can talk.
>
> But the consumer isn't asked to p
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> when I went to get a sim card to use in my moko, I was
> unable to find one without getting a subsidized phone to go with it.
TMobile did this for me in about 15 minutes at one of their stores, and
I didn't even have my Neo with me at the time. I simply told them I had
an u
Is there an 'official' designation of the target market for the GTA03?
i.e., freerunner is geeks/early adopters
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Robert Taylor writes:
>
>If the moko was subsidized out of pocket expense would be less because
>the moko would be cheaper.
Well, yes, but when I went to get a sim card to use in my moko, I was
unable to find one without getting a subsidized phone to go with it.
So the economics (as I faced them
Robert Taylor wrote:
> I'm not dropping this. You still have it wrong.
Hi Robert,
I'm not trying to win the overall argument, I just want you to
acknowledge that my position is as valid as your own, as I do for your
position in point #2 below.
Here's my thinking, please feel free to agree or
Gilles Casse wrote, on 11/06/08 08:52:
> Hello,
>
> You could possibly get feedback from the gnome accessibility mailing
> list, they already expressed interest for accessible smartphones:
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-list/
>
> I am interested by the neo as a device which
Robert Taylor wrote:
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
>>
> Precisely. And if you want to quit your contract you will pay A FEE
> that will make your phone far more expensive than $600.
>
> I wish people would stop saying nonsense.
>
> It really doesn't matter if you unlock the
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> now it changes with the 3g iphone. you must sign up when you buy. sure - you
> can now take that phone, unlock it, re-sell it, but you are stuck with a
> contract you must keep paying for... with no phone to use on that contract
> unless you buy another pho
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/94465
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>
>
> >
> No, it won't make the Moko more expensive.
>
> You pay through the nose for it because you HAVETO sign up for a 2 year
> contract minimum.
>
> The iPhone is AT LEAST twice as expensive as the Moko.
>
> In other words, if the Moko came with a 2 year contract it would
> basically be free.
>
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> not so simple. i think he business plan is changing because before this
> happened with the 1st iphone. people could buy without contract. it was
> assumed
> that the phone lock would force people to get a contract anyway and apple bore
> the risk by los
ian douglas wrote:
> Robert Taylor wrote:
>
>> Just compare equal things.
>>
>
> We'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of "equal".
>
> Hear me out:
>
Hi!
:-) I really do mean well but I'm not dropping this.
You still have it wrong.
If the moko was subsidized out of pock
> ian douglas wrote:
>
> By my calculations below, a consumer buying an iPhone or a Freerunner,
> and using AT&T for a voice/data plan, is going to spend about $2600 over
> two years no matter which phone they buy.
>
> Jorge's original posting in this thread said the following:
> > the new iPh
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:16:40 + "Jorge ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>
> Robert Taylor wrote:
> > On the new Iphones, you HAVETO get a 2 year contract.
> > If you decide to quit you will pay a fee that will total up greater than
> > the $600 the phone is worth.
>
> The first iPhone was r
If your current display is around 150dpi, you can see what QVGA would be
like with something like this:
xterm -fn '*-clean-*--6-*-c-40*' &
This will give you a terminal window with a 4x6 font cell (3x5 for
characters + 1px spacing). Note that the automatic "smear bold" make this
font unreadable,
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 22:31:52 thomasg wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:12 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In fact 2G/Edge is really fast (more like standard ADSL speeds over here
> > in Europe).
>
> You're kidding, right?
> EDGE maxes out at about 470 kbps - if you get a full channel (8 tim
Robert Taylor wrote:
> Just compare equal things.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of "equal".
Hear me out:
By my calculations below, a consumer buying an iPhone or a Freerunner,
and using AT&T for a voice/data plan, is going to spend about $2600 over
two years no matter whic
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:44:09 +0200 "Flemming Richter Mikkelsen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> > 3" 480x272. it's thinner than the current vga 2.8" by a fair bit and a tiny
> > bit longer (as it is wide). it seems almost the perfect screen for a
> > smaller/slimmer model like gta04/05 etc. same #
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:51:03 +0200 "Flemming Richter Mikkelsen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/Tech/x11fonts.html
> >
> > see the 4x8 font at the top. bdf downloadable and usable.
> Wow! That is amazing! Now I am 100% convinced that QVGA is not
> that bad:) I co
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:56:44 -0700 ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
> Robert Taylor wrote:
> > You pay through the nose for it because you HAVETO sign up for a 2 year
> > contract minimum.
>
> Granted, the Apple and AT&T partnership greatly subsidizes the cost,
> because of the $960 ($4
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:57:04 -0700 Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
> ian douglas wrote:
> >
> > Exactly.
> >
> > Whether you get the iPhone, a Freerunner, a Nokia, a Samsung,
> > whatever... you still need to pay for the cellular service.
> >
> > Yes, it's cheaper if you buy pay-as-you
Robin Paulson pisze:
[..]
> i remember reading somewhere that the iphone's os can't run multiple
> applications at once - sorry no source for this. did i get this right,
> if i did, that's a major bonus to om/freerunner?
i think iPhone OSX allows to run multiple application at once (native,
sys
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:40:08 +0100 Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>
> On 10 Jun 2008, at 02:17, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > browsing full web pages scrammed into a 2.8" screen as many have
> > suggested, is
> > really... pushing such a tiny screen far beyond its usefulnes
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:07:40 +0200 Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
> Am Di 10. Juni 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler:
> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:16:06 +0800 "Wilkinson, Alex"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> >
> > > 0n Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 01:43:08PM +0800, Carsten Haitzler wro
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:00:54 -0300 "robert lazarski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:57:36 +0300 "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > babbled:
> >
> >> 2008/6/10 The Rasterman C
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:15:53 -0400 "Steven Milburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
fyi - that animation of the window popping open and then the pause until it
fills - is the application starting up. that is used to "cover up" the fact it
takes 1 or 2 or 3 seconds to start. on the freerunner you just
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 23:42:30 Robin Paulson wrote:
> 2008/6/10 Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please?
> >
> > iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand
> > on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of
> > free and open source) how
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Robert Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jorge . wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> This post is going further my expectations :) so, lets put the things in
>> order:
>>
> Okay.
>> 1) FreeRunner and its freedom is the best, so we dont need an argue about
>> the good reason
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 23:19:54 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
> On 6/10/08, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > the two smart phones are aprox equal on
> > -- wi-fi
>
> But with limited usability on iPhone
>
> > -- accelerometer
>
> But with limited usability on iPhone
>
>
ian douglas pisze:
[...]
> For example, I pay $39.99/month for 450 daytime minutes and 5000
> evening/weekend minutes every month. I pay an additional $39.99 per
> month for an unlimited data plan. My total monthly cost is $79.98 plus
> taxes and fees, so let's round it up to $90 per month. Ov
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Ok, a first summary:
>
> *) I still like my tap sound.
> *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound.
> *) All people do care about getting event sounds while they're playing
> something (needs help from a sound daemon or touching every application)
> *) I was w
Michael T. Dean wrote:
> On 06/10/2008 06:21 PM, ian douglas wrote:
>
>> While I'm not trying to encourage any bitter feelings whatsoever, I'm
>> curious how you calculated the iPhone costs twice as much as the
>> Freerunner when you look at the bottom line of how many dollars you've
>> spent
Robert Taylor wrote:
> On the new Iphones, you HAVETO get a 2 year contract.
> If you decide to quit you will pay a fee that will total up greater than
> the $600 the phone is worth.
The first iPhone was released june 29/2007 and the first hacked that allow you
to use it with any operator was
Ok, a first summary:
*) I still like my tap sound.
*) Almost all people do not want the tap sound.
*) All people do care about getting event sounds while they're playing
something (needs help from a sound daemon or touching every application)
*) I was wrong about the real meaning of PA deprecatin
Am Mi 11. Juni 2008 schrieb ian douglas:
> As an aside, when comparing 2G and 3G:
>
> Even according to Apple, the new iPhone 3G model will get up to 10 hours
> of talk time on 2G but half as long (5 hours) in 3G mode.
>
> I'd love to learn more about how voice quality differs between 2G and 3G
iPhone. ;)
http://news.smh.com.au/technology/att-to-take-earnings-hit-from-iphone-subsidies-20080610-2o3s.html
Mike
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Is what they always say, like microsoft saying their serial codes will not be
hacked... but after one week someone finds a hack that activates the phone
without AT&T and two weeks after you see unlocked phones in the street, i have
no idea where the dealers get them, but you find the unlocked p
Hello,
You could possibly get feedback from the gnome accessibility mailing
list, they already expressed interest for accessible smartphones:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-list/
I am interested by the neo as a device which could be potentially used
eyes-free.
Best regards,
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> i remember reading somewhere that the iphone's os can't run multiple
> applications at once - sorry no source for this. did i get this right,
> if i did, that's a major bonus to om/freerunner?
>
>
It's not that it "can't".
full ACK
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Andy Powell wrote:
>
>> Do you live on planet earth or some magical fairy land where you snap
>> your fingers and you get everything instantly?
>>
>
> Mmm... I'm trying to work out if you just being an arse or you have a
> question
> in there. I'd like you to point out where I said anythi
ian douglas wrote:
>
> alking about what's subsidized and what's not. We're
> comparing "how much money have I paid out of my pocket after two years"
> to compare a 2-year contract requirement versus owning a Freerunner.
>
>
Well yes we are.
If the moko was subsidized it would effectively be
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> A $600 SUBSIDIZED phone on a 2 year contract ($200 up front cost to
> subscriber) VS a $200 moko UNSUBSIDIZED phone PLUS a 2 year contract.
>
> Of course they are bloody the same price up front, THE MOKO ISN'T
> SUBSIDIZED
Am Di 10. Juni 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:16:06 +0800 "Wilkinson, Alex"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>
> > 0n Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 01:43:08PM +0800, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> >
> > >we are in a world where to get gfx support to run such high
resolutions
>
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is
> really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution
> (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed
> up the 02 situat
On Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 08:38:30PM +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote:
> There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in
> Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably
> godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no
> monthly fees at all. Much cheaper
The software is Free, the hardware is Free but not in the beer sense.
Look, if om don't make enough money there is no gta04. It has shortcomings
but it's still much better an idea than the iphone. Your software will be
free, no 30% cut for developers to go to apple. Your abilities to use the
de
As someone who owns an unlocked iPhone I understand how 3) works on
the old iPhone. What is not clear is the deal on the new iPhone. The
reports are that the person who buys it will have to enter the
contract when they buy it. Note, this is different than 3). The
reality is we don't know for sure w
me too
--- El mar, 10/6/08, Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> De: Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Asunto: Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 - product management, features &
> assumptions
> Para: "List for Openmoko community discussion"
> Fecha: martes, 10 junio, 2008 9:49
> Ortwin Reg
Jorge . wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This post is going further my expectations :) so, lets put the things in
> order:
>
Okay.
> 1) FreeRunner and its freedom is the best, so we dont need an argue about the
> good reasons to buy one :)
>
Right!
> 2) In countries where you have to sign a two year con
On 6/10/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:53:49 +0300 "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>
> > 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >> 2008/6/9 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >> > an 8
But I have no knowlege about this font, hehehe I like it. ~70 chars/line in the
example of 291 pixels so in a 640 will be about ~160 chars in one line (penden
to confirm the minimum distance to be readable maybe 3 cm hehehe well now
seriouly I was able to read the example in a 1280x768 10.6" inc
I think he might have been confusing EDGE with HSDPA, which can compete
with broadband speeds (and is marketed by some as mobile broadband)
For me the lack of 3G is a sticking point. Having just taken out a
contract with 3 (best price plan and good coverage for where I am about
to move), and absol
On 6/10/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:01:03 +0530 "rakshat hooja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > as i have said before - gta03 is vga - as it stands, but can go to qvga
> > > easily,
> > > but is unlikely to. in the
Robert Taylor wrote:
> Please, compare equal things.
> Why are you posting nonsense here?
Rob, I'm not the one who posted the original article, and I take offense
to you saying that my thoughts are 'nonsense' -- that sort of attitude
isn't helpful to anybody.
In a previous post, you said:
> Th
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 20:57, Robert Taylor wrote:
> Andy Powell wrote:
> > At some point we're going to start explaining to the folks at OM that we
> > can't actually afford to buy every model they produce to help fund this
> > evolution... I really don't want to have a collection of interesting
Are you sure about that? According to Engadget [1] you will have to
activate the contract in shop which seems to suggest a pretty bum deal
if you plan on then unlocking it and selling it at $200. If you do I
will buy one from you at that price ;)
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/iphone-3g-purcha
On 6/10/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:10:22 +0200 "Flemming Richter Mikkelsen"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>
> > On 6/9/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [...]
> > > an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it r
As an aside, when comparing 2G and 3G:
Even according to Apple, the new iPhone 3G model will get up to 10 hours
of talk time on 2G but half as long (5 hours) in 3G mode.
I'd love to learn more about how voice quality differs between 2G and 3G
-- if a future GTA device gets 3G capability, I'd pr
Robin Paulson wrote:
> plus, can the iphone use usb in host mode? can i plug in a usb flash
> drive, or an external modem?
From what I'm seeing on the specs page, the iPhone doesn't have any
sort of USB plug on it ... so unless they have custom plugs to
interchange between their 30-pin connect
Greg Bonett wrote:
> Don't forget you've always got the option to use the Freerunner without a
> voice/data plan at all if you don't mind only using VOIP in Wifi networks.
> Then its a bargain!
Excellent point, Greg!
(I don't recall if the new iPhone has WiFi to do VoIP calls)
ian douglas wrote:
>
> Exactly.
>
> Whether you get the iPhone, a Freerunner, a Nokia, a Samsung,
> whatever... you still need to pay for the cellular service.
>
> Yes, it's cheaper if you buy pay-as-you-go service, and yes, if you buy
> the 'locked' iPhone (retail box from AT&T) you *must* buy i
Jorge . wrote:
> No doubt, but you can buy unlocked iPhones on many places, including internet
> and they dont cost $960
You're right, an unlocked iPhone will likely cost more than $199 (for
the 8GB model), but you still need to have the data/voice plan. If *all*
you're comparing is the cost of
Jorge . wrote:
> No doubt, but you can buy unlocked iPhones on many places, including internet
> and they dont cost $960
>
>
Thats ONLY because you can buy an iPhone right now WITHOUT a contract.
You won't be getting the same phoen pricing with the new iPhone, that is
guaranteed - to break
2008/6/10 Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please?
>
> iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand
> on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of
> free and open source) how does
> the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB
> compare with Freer
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 19:29:26 Asheesh Laroia wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded
> > systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use
> > alsa directly was
ti, 2008-06-10 kello 14:59 -0400, Ken Young kirjoitti:
> > but surely that's just a result of the current buzz - is UI animation
> > really a *necessity* in the long-term (or medium-term) future of the
> > mobile phone market?
>
> This is especially true because if the GTA03 tries to be an iPhone
Hello,
This post is going further my expectations :) so, lets put the things in order:
1) FreeRunner and its freedom is the best, so we dont need an argue about the
good reasons to buy one :)
2) In countries where you have to sign a two year contract, the iPhone 3G will
be more expensive at t
On 6/10/08, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> the two smart phones are aprox equal on
> -- wi-fi
But with limited usability on iPhone
> -- accelerometer
But with limited usability on iPhone
> -- bluetooth
But with limited usability on iPhone
E.g. you cannot use VoIP with iPhone, e
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| On Tuesday 10 June 2008 13:46:59 Justyn Butler wrote:
|> 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|>> i'd love a better cpu - better memory bus and much more. right now the
|>> only thing we have is gt
so do I, but not on mine gta01...
please remember that this is touch only phone and these feedback sounds
are a must here...
Piotr
Alexander Köb pisze:
> hi Mickey,
>
> click sound is normally the first thing I deactivate when I get a new
> phone that uses this.
>
> thanks for asking BTW.
>
I couldn't agree more.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is
> really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution
> (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how m
>
> ... and per my last Email, the lack of subsidies for the Freerunner,
> where you still need a voice/data contract, actually costs more.
>
> But the extra cost is worth the freedom of doing whatever I want with my
> Freerunner.
>
> -id
Don't forget you've always got the option to use the Freeru
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 13:15 -0700, Lowell Higley wrote:
> In this case, the iPhone is way more expensive than an iPhone.
^^^
I always knew there is some conspiracy going on with Apple ;-p
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Lowell Higley wrote:
> I think what Ian is trying to say is that contract or not, you still
> have to pay for your phone service and data service.
Exactly.
Whether you get the iPhone, a Freerunner, a Nokia, a Samsung,
whatever... you still need to pay for the cellular service.
Yes, it's cheape
I third this (if that is even how you say it...)
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Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:49:21 PM
Subject: Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 - product management, features & assumptions
Ortwin Regel
I wonder: Might it be useful/possible to add a connector for Bug
modules to a future Openmoko phone?
On 6/10/08, Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Roland Häder wrote:
>> My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the
>> market
>> asks for this:
>>
>> - An OpenMoko f
Ah, thanks for making it clear. :)
On Tuesday, 10. June 2008, Ortwin Regel wrote:
> For the record: I was talking about the gaming controls of my Tapwave
> Zodiac. I realize that this was probably not all that clear from the
> context and apologize.
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> Granted, the Apple and AT&T partnership greatly subsidizes the cost,
> because of the $960 ($40/mo unlimited data plan for 2 yrs) to $2400
> ($100/mo unlimited voice/data for 2 yrs) that you'd spend with AT&T also
> helps cover the hidden cost of the hardware.
No doubt, but you can buy unloc
On 6/10/08, Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ortwin Regel wrote:
> > There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is
> > really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution
> > (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed
> > up the
Robert Taylor wrote:
> Do you live on planet earth or some magical fairy land where you snap
> your fingers and you get everything instantly?
>
> It sure sounds like you aren't interested in the "openness" of the moko
> but more of a consumer device ... yes / no?
>
> I'm with you on the multitude
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:12 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In fact 2G/Edge is really fast (more like standard ADSL speeds over here in
> Europe).
You're kidding, right?
EDGE maxes out at about 470 kbps - if you get a full channel (8 timeslots)
for yourself.
In most GSM networks one of the tim
I think what Ian is trying to say is that contract or not, you still have to
pay for your phone service and data service. So if you spend US$50/mo on a
data plan, it does come out to be more expensive with the FreeRunner if and
*only if* you plan to use the phone for two years. if you plan on dit
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Jorge . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> *sigh*
>> The 3G iPhone does not cost $199. It costs $199 when subsidized
>> through a 2 year AT&T contract. Thats like saying my Nokia E51 costs
>> nothing, because I got it free with a 2 year contract.
>>
>
> Just look Ebay,
Jorge . wrote:
> Just look Ebay, amazon, etc... you can buy unlocked iPhones for almost the
> price they have with AT&T, in fact there is no AT&T in my country, an i could
> buy one on many shops in the downtown (dont misunderstand me, i want the
> FreeRunner!!).
>
> I am sure it will happen ag
Andy Powell wrote:
>
> At some point we're going to start explaining to the folks at OM that we
> can't
> actually afford to buy every model they produce to help fund this
> evolution... I really don't want to have a collection of interesting but
> ultimately useless devices - Let's face it th
> Having said that, why wait for an incoming text?
> Why not just have the phone wipe itself when the SIM card changes?
Not by default!! People that travel between North America and Europe
often maintain two (or more!!) SIMs to take advantage of cheaper calling
in different {countries,c
>> This means no longer being able to mix sounds, but rather stick them
>> into a queue and play them sequentially.
> Someone else has already mentioned SMS notification whilst listening
> to music, but also my GPS concept is affected. If a driver is
> approaching an accident blackspot he cannot a
Ken Young wrote:
>
> This is especially true because if the GTA03 tries to be an iPhone
> clone, it will be at best a half-assed iPhone clone. The hardware just
> isn't competitive with an iPhone's. If the GTA03 has QVGA, will it have
> fast 3G networking? No. Will it have a state-of-the
Ortwin Regel wrote:
>>
>> Reading these posts of the last few days it has just occurred to me
>> that it's not Carsten we should be beating up on here.
>> Who the heck asked for translucency and flashy animations?
>>
>> Management seem to be asking for this "alpha" bleeding rubbish, and
>> it seems
I'm investigating a phone for a person whos recently lost most of his
eyesight and thinking about the freerunner.
Does anyone have experience with phones for nearly blind people?
I'm considering the freerunner rather than a simple phone with very
large buttons for the following reasons:
- it can
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in
> Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably
> godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no
> monthly fees at all.
Yeh it is all relative to your country and usage pattern. In the UK
you can get a prepaid SIM with data capped at £1 per day. I don't need
a contract (I don't make many calls/sms) so the cost of the Freerunner
is a lot more attractive to me! Especially at it seems Apple will now
make you activate t
Roland Häder wrote:
> My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the market
> asks for this:
>
> - An OpenMoko for younger people who need the gaming controls Ortwin is
> mentioning as subject for removal.
>
> - Another OpenMoko for professionals/business/older people witho
On 10/06/2008, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think branching into multiple devices starts making sense with the
> switch to a new SoC
Trouble enough to produce one model :-)
. As it is, it looks like GTA03 is supposed to be
> the Neo camera edition.
Nope
Read mails el
Ortwin Regel wrote:
> There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in
> Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably
> godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no
> monthly fees at all. Much cheaper for me than any contract. So for me
> th
I tried to dfu burn a new image (well, an old image - the latest recommended
openmoko-devel-image) last night, then opkg install some standard stuff I've
been using. Tangogps, several python packages, openmoko-keyboard, that sort
of thing.
The burning went fine, but after the opkg update & instal
> *sigh*
> The 3G iPhone does not cost $199. It costs $199 when subsidized
> through a 2 year AT&T contract. Thats like saying my Nokia E51 costs
> nothing, because I got it free with a 2 year contract.
>
Just look Ebay, amazon, etc... you can buy unlocked iPhones for almost the
price they hav
I have used an iPhone, my wife's. The animations are pretty at first.
After a while, they're just annoying. My wife gets impatient waiting for
windows to get out of the way so she can get on with what she's trying to
do. What's really funny is that some times the phone will do all that neat
anim
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