Re: Community contributions to core apps & features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

rakshat hooja wrote: > > > > It is already linked from the front page, but clearly from not those > places it should be from :) > > But you have good points. Openmoko is open, but its development is not > exposed in the open as much as I'd like for an open source project to >

Re: Terminal for ASU

Believe it or not, Steve, sarcasm is not the same thing as wit. I am sure you have plenty of wit at your disposal. You do yourself a disservice in failing to exercise it. Stroller. On 28 Jul 2008, at 22:11, steve wrote: > Oh the design team have been listening. > ... > So I owe the design

RE: Terminal for ASU

- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugo Mills Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:39 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Terminal for ASU On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:30:03AM +0200, arne anka wrote: > anyway, what raster tries to say, imho, is: do

Re: Terminal for ASU

> Try Qtopia, its more what I expected a phone like this to look like, > and it mostly works. I tried it, but to be frank I'm a little more inclined to want to go with the 'open' side of things, even if its messy and chaotic, than the 'commercial vendor slipping us open guys a sugary treat

RE: Terminal for ASU

Subject: Re: Terminal for ASU On 24 Jul 2008, at 08:30, arne anka wrote: >> If you've been mismanaged/micromanaged so badly that you've had to >> adopt what Neitzche called the "Sklavmoral"-- or "I'm not paid to >> think, I'm > > well, n

Re: Community contributions to core apps & features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for posting that link Rashat! I'm waiting for Stroller to get an answer too, but it's nice to know who to complain to about what after this :) ~ I want my KEYBOARD SWITCH back, I do! ~ Lisa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0

Re: Terminal for ASU

> Anyway enough whining :) I'll look at ASU again in 2 months and see > if this design team has gotten > its act together and has started listening to its customers (ie us). I'm with you on that, it seems like its just too late to be doing ASU, this should've been sorted out months ago, befor

Re: Terminal for ASU

Jay Vaughan wrote: > I'm with you on that, it seems like its just too late to be doing ASU, > this should've been sorted out months ago, before hardware was actually > shipping to customer (hacker and non- alike), so for me I'm sticking > with the godamn ugly 2007.2 for now, simply because its

Re: Community contributions to core apps & features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This problem is common to all the process / firms: who must to take the important design decision? There can be two possibility: A) Who code B) Who doesn't code but can have a global vision of the project To choose between these two alternatives i

Re: Community contributions to core apps & features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

rakshat hooja wrote: > > > > It is already linked from the front page, but clearly from not those > places it should be from :) > > But you have good points. Openmoko is open, but its development is not > exposed in the open as much as I'd like for an open source project to > be

Re: Community contributions to core apps & features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

> > > It is already linked from the front page, but clearly from not those > places it should be from :) > > But you have good points. Openmoko is open, but its development is not > exposed in the open as much as I'd like for an open source project to > be. The Openmoko folks are still a bit "myste

Re: Community contributions to core apps & features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

2008/7/26 Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I won't comment further at this time, but I'll amend the wiki later > (cc'd to documentation as a reminder) so that some other relevant > pages link to it & it's easier to find. It is already linked from the front page, but clearly from not those places it

Re: Community contributions to core apps & features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

On 26 Jul 2008, at 09:46, rakshat hooja wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stroller > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> There's apparently no design document saying where ASU (or whatever) >> is going in terms of features. We don't know who to contact in order >> to get approval for our con

Re: Community contributions to core apps & features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > There's apparently no design document saying where ASU (or whatever) > is going in terms of features. We don't know who to contact in order > to get approval for our concepts before we waste a lot of time on > them. I agre

Community contributions to core apps & features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

On 26 Jul 2008, at 03:10, steve wrote: > Ask your questions stroller. > > I'll do my best to answer them. Hi Steve, Thanks for your reply. I've posted my questions - or rather a request for openness & clarification - already in this thread. Because the background of the thread already cont

RE: Terminal for ASU

Ask your questions stroller. I'll do my best to answer them. -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:16 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Stroller; steve Subject: Re: Terminal for AS

Re: Terminal for ASU

Hugo Mills wrote: > >The problem here is that we can't, because the design department > don't seem to be engaging at all. We don't know who they are, and they > don't seem to be listening to the discussions on this list. I'm going to weigh in here with my 2 cents worth. This so called design

Re: Terminal for ASU

I will reply over the weekend. -Sean Yorick Moko wrote: > the unabomber would know what to do! :) > > No, seriously: enough openmoko-members read these mails. > It seems unimaginable that none of the design team has seen this > thread. It's about time they spoke up or that someone at ope

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:40:51 -0700 Ken Restivo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > unfortunately you're out of luck. people who pay me want qtopia's keyboard - > > and so they shall get it. illume's internal keyboard is/will be disabled. i > > haven't had time to make any way to enable illume's inte

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:40:49AM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:54:49 -0700 Ken Restivo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:16:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > > > > > IMO it's crazy for you (the senior developer to ASU? you're surely

Re: Terminal for ASU

the unabomber would know what to do! :) No, seriously: enough openmoko-members read these mails. It seems unimaginable that none of the design team has seen this thread. It's about time they spoke up or that someone at openmoko (Steve, Michael, Neng-Yu Tu ?) gave us some more info about the design

Re: Terminal for ASU

On 24 Jul 2008, at 08:30, arne anka wrote: >> If you've been mismanaged/micromanaged so badly that you've had to >> adopt >> what Neitzche called the "Sklavmoral"-- or "I'm not paid to >> think, I'm > > well, nietzsche told a lot of stuff and ended up in the funny farm > in due > time ...

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:30:03AM +0200, arne anka wrote: > anyway, what raster tries to say, imho, is: do not bother _him_ with your > criticism but the designers themselves -- saying he's only the programmer > makes imo sufficiently clear that he's not teh one to make that decistions > and

Re: Terminal for ASU

> If you've been mismanaged/micromanaged so badly that you've had to adopt > what Neitzche called the "Sklavmoral"-- or "I'm not paid to think, I'm well, nietzsche told a lot of stuff and ended up in the funny farm in due time ... and if his own morale was that much better than sklavenmoral i

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:01:15 +0100 Michael Sheldon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Dale Schumacher wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > edje_decc (from edj-utils) the illume.edj file (enlig

Re: Terminal for ASU

Dale Schumacher wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > edje_decc (from edj-utils) the illume.edj file (enligtenment theme > installed > in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes). in the direct

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > edje_decc (from edj-utils) the illume.edj file (enligtenment theme > installed > in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes). in the directory find the .edc > file - > edit. search for a comment string "don'

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:54:49 -0700 Ken Restivo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:16:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > > > IMO it's crazy for you (the senior developer to ASU? you're surely > > > the most active?) to have his hands tied by these shadowy "designers

Re: Terminal for ASU

Ken, I think you have read my mind , translate it to english, and post in the list, well maybe the latin sentences and references to kant are replaced by basic complain :) El mié, 23-07-2008 a las 13:54 -0700, Ken Restivo escribió: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:16:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:16:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > IMO it's crazy for you (the senior developer to ASU? you're surely > > the most active?) to have his hands tied by these shadowy "designers" > > who can interfere apparently on a whim. Especially when they're > > coming

Re: Where's edje_decc? (was: Re: Terminal for ASU)

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:04:12 +0200 Marcel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 15:04:59 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: > > [...] > > > either way - there WAS a button.. it was in the top

Re: Where's edje_decc? (was: Re: Terminal for ASU)

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:04:12 +0200 Marcel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 15:04:59 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: > [...] > > either way - there WAS a button.. it was in the top-left corner of the > > screen that was blank and unused anyway. it used up no extra screen space > >

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:32:34 +0100 Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > On 22 Jul 2008, at 14:36, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >> ... > >> Sorry to trouble you, but who are these designers, please? > > > > i'll let them speak up if they wish to be part of a debate on this. > >

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:08:55 +0200 Kalle Happonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > what gesture, where? how? how ill this be able to not conflict with > > operation of other apps? i am not so hot on gestures - especially ones that > > use up the "whole screen" or parts o the screen where apps run

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:20:29 +0200 Holger Freyther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Wednesday 23 July 2008 03:39:54 Ken Restivo wrote: > > > Can someone document what hacks are available to bring the Illume keyboard > > back, and to manually trigger it with that little "qwerty" button that used

Where's edje_decc? (was: Re: Terminal for ASU)

Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 15:04:59 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: [...] > either way - there WAS a button.. it was in the top-left corner of the > screen that was blank and unused anyway. it used up no extra screen space > and was obvious to hit. it was by far the best option available so far. if > you h

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Holger Freyther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 23 July 2008 05:56:41 Jacob Peterson wrote: > > Ken, I too feel your pain. I had just stated to get things setup, then I > > decided to update and to my surprise, all applications requiring a > keyboard >

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Wednesday 23 July 2008 05:56:41 Jacob Peterson wrote: > Ken, I too feel your pain. I had just stated to get things setup, then I > decided to update and to my surprise, all applications requiring a keyboard > are now useless. I ended up reverting back to the July 21st snapshot for > now, but I

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Wednesday 23 July 2008 05:32:34 Stroller wrote: > After all the efforts that Openmoko have made over being open, I am > just amazed that design decisions that affect everyone are being made > in secret. Check the openmoko-devel/disto-devel archives from back then. Sure the decision was made "

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Wednesday 23 July 2008 03:39:54 Ken Restivo wrote: > Can someone document what hacks are available to bring the Illume keyboard > back, and to manually trigger it with that little "qwerty" button that used > to be there, in case the designers decide they don't want users to be able > to type th

Re: Terminal for ASU

Ken, I too feel your pain. I had just stated to get things setup, then I decided to update and to my surprise, all applications requiring a keyboard are now useless. I ended up reverting back to the July 21st snapshot for now, but I will try editing the illume theme and rebuilding once I can loca

Re: Terminal for ASU

On 22 Jul 2008, at 14:36, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> ... >> Sorry to trouble you, but who are these designers, please? > > i'll let them speak up if they wish to be part of a debate on this. > it's up to > them. I'd be grateful if someone @openmoko could be a bit transparent abo

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:36:27PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:05:48 +0100 Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > > > > > On 21 Jul 2008, at 19:47, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > ... > > > the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have a

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 09:01:24AM +0200, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger_ wrote: > Indeed I fail to see the advantage of having no manual triggering of keyboard. > On my desktop PC, I have never dreamt of my keyboard popping out of a > drawer when it thinks I should need it... > > And this morning

Re: Terminal for ASU

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:39:01 +0100 JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > >>> Where are the design documents which say "no keyboard toggle button >>> should be included", please? If one wishes to contribute code or >>> patches to ASU then I guess it's neces

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:05:48 +0100 Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > On 21 Jul 2008, at 19:47, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > ... > > the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any > > manual > > keyboard toggle button because it will disturb the design an

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:39:01 +0100 JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > > > > Where are the design documents which say "no keyboard toggle button > > should be included", please? If one wishes to contribute code or > > patches to ASU then I guess it's necessary to know this, or one will > > find

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:21:22 +0100 Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:32:47 +0100 Al Johnson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > babbled: > > > On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > > the problem is the d

Re: Terminal for ASU

Indeed I fail to see the advantage of having no manual triggering of keyboard. On my desktop PC, I have never dreamt of my keyboard popping out of a drawer when it thinks I should need it... And this morning, after my daily opkg upgrade... I rebooted ASU and I am stuck, not even able to enter my S

Re: Terminal for ASU

> > > Where are the design documents which say "no keyboard toggle button > should be included", please? If one wishes to contribute code or > patches to ASU then I guess it's necessary to know this, or one will > find patches rejected because they don't meet this design specification? > surely th

Re: Terminal for ASU

On 21 Jul 2008, at 19:47, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > ... > the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any > manual > keyboard toggle button because it will disturb the design and/or > confuse users, > so all apps and toolkits need modification to talk a "protoc

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:32:47 +0100 Al Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any manual > > > keyboard toggle button because i

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:32:47 +0100 Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any manual > > keyboard toggle button because it will disturb the design and/or confuse > > users, so all ap

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any manual > keyboard toggle button because it will disturb the design and/or confuse > users, so all apps and toolkits need modification to talk a "protocol" to > bring up the keyboard on

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:18:50 +0200 Sven Klomp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Monday 21 July 2008 05:30:09 Ken Restivo wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:20:46PM -0700, Brian C wrote: > > > Ken Restivo wrote: > > > 1. It's an open platform, so it's inevitable that it will have a > > > termina

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Monday 21 July 2008 05:30:09 Ken Restivo wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:20:46PM -0700, Brian C wrote: > > Ken Restivo wrote: > > 1. It's an open platform, so it's inevitable that it will have a > > terminal. > > > > 2. If it were not possible to have a terminal on ASU, then OpenMoko > > sho

Re: Terminal for ASU

> *Will* the ASU have a terminal app that works with the Qtopia environment? > Or is that something I shouldn't expect to work? Take a look at qtopia.net, several applications for Qtopia are listed there (terminal and file manager for example). Don't know if they work on ASU right away because t

Re: Terminal for ASU

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:20:46PM -0700, Brian C wrote: > Ken Restivo wrote: > > Crap. > > > > I was considering opening a bug report (enhancement, probably) on this-- > > the ASU needs a terminal. > > > > But I don't want to get smacked down with a "ASU will never have a > > terminal, it's no

Re: Terminal for ASU

Ken Restivo wrote: > Crap. > > I was considering opening a bug report (enhancement, probably) on this-- the > ASU needs a terminal. > > But I don't want to get smacked down with a "ASU will never have a terminal, > it's not a supported use case" closure for it. > > *Will* the ASU have a termin

Re: Terminal for ASU

I could start it. > > Chris > > On Jul 20, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Scott Petersen wrote: > > > Is it just my inability to find things or is there truly no terminal > > application for ASU in the standard repositories? > > > > Does anybody have any recommendations for a

Re: Terminal for ASU

it just my inability to find things or is there truly no terminal > application for ASU in the standard repositories? > > Does anybody have any recommendations for a terminal for ASU? I > tried to > get openmoko-terminal2 to run but it crashes

Terminal for ASU

Is it just my inability to find things or is there truly no terminal application for ASU in the standard repositories? Does anybody have any recommendations for a terminal for ASU? I tried to get openmoko-terminal2 to run but it crashes every time. Cheer Scott Petersen