Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gangumalla, Uma]

Hi Gary,

https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/mnemonic has draft resolution
option. 
Need to choose a chair. I propose you(Gary Wong) as Chair for Apache
Mnemonic project if no other objections. (Do we need vote for this)

Also it says, resolution can be reviewed in private list.


>From that whimsy.apache.org/roster
Below things needs to be corrected.
1. 
Licensing
* No Software Grant and No IP Clearance Filed
* No Release Yet/Missing ASF Copyright Headers on Source Code
* No Release Yet/Binary has licensing issues

2. PPMC/Committers in this project are not listed there

3. Prior board report is not linked to June month report.



Regards,
Uma


On 9/7/17, 11:16 AM, "Gary Wong"  wrote:

>Got it, Thanks for the guidance, We are going to start the official vote.
>we have also prepared a draft of Graduation resolution for your review,
>Thanks!
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MNEMONIC/Graduation+Resolution
>
>On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Henry Saputra 
>wrote:
>
>> To do official VOTE thread we need to have proposed board resolution for
>> the TLP.
>>
>> - Henry
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Gary Wong  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Patrick and Mentors
>> >
>> > Thank you for the input and guidance.
>> >
>> > I have visited the following page that you mentioned, it looks there
>>are
>> > some broken links.
>> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> graduation_check_list
>> >
>> > I paste two key sections here as a checklist for verification
>> >
>> >-
>> >
>> >Preparations
>> >-
>> >
>> >   Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file
>> >   
>>
>> >   Yes, it is up-to-date
>> >   -
>> >
>> >   Ensure suitable names
>> >   
>>
>> > for
>> >   project name and product names
>> >   Approved,
>>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-
>> 95
>> >   -
>> >
>> >   Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases
>> >   
>> >   Release 8 versions and another one is WIP, involved 3 release
>> > managers
>> >   -
>> >
>> >   Demonstrate community readiness
>> >   
>> >   Our contributors come from different companies and show the
>> diversity
>> >   and working on different components, all changes have been
>>reviewed
>> > and
>> >   trackable. we have an open, positive and inclusive atmosphere
>>for
>> the
>> >   discussion
>> >   -
>> >
>> >   Ensure Mentors
>> >   > > Responsibilities.html#Mentor>
>> >   and IPMC
>> >   > > 
>>Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
>> >   have no remaining issues
>> >   
>>
>> >   We have taken actions on issues from the discussion of
>>graduation
>> and
>> >   fulfilled the Apache maturity assessment
>> >
>> >   
>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
>> > -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>> >   -
>> >
>> >Decide upon destination
>> >> > subproject-or-top-level>
>> >Would be Top-Level Project
>> >-
>> >
>> >Prepare a resolution
>> >
>>
>> > *(top
>> >level candidates only)*.
>> >We will prepare our resolution according to
>> >
>> >https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> > submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
>> >template
>> >
>> >https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/
>> > templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt
>> >and some samples
>> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CRUNCH/
>> > Graduation+Resolution
>> >
>> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/
>> > Graduation+Resolution
>> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/
>> > Graduation+Resolution
>> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MADLIB/
>> > Graduation+Resolution
>> >The resolution should be proposed on the general incubator list
>> > before a *VOTE
>> >* is started to allow
>> >feedback
>> >-
>> >
>> >Subproject acceptance *VOTE*
>> >> > subproject-acceptance>
>> >by destination Project *(*subproject* candidates only)*
>> >NA
>> >-
>> >
>> >Incubator PMC (IPMC)
>> >> > 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gary Wong]

Got it, Thanks for the guidance, We are going to start the official vote.
we have also prepared a draft of Graduation resolution for your review,
Thanks!

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MNEMONIC/Graduation+Resolution

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Henry Saputra 
wrote:

> To do official VOTE thread we need to have proposed board resolution for
> the TLP.
>
> - Henry
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Gary Wong  wrote:
>
> > Hi Patrick and Mentors
> >
> > Thank you for the input and guidance.
> >
> > I have visited the following page that you mentioned, it looks there are
> > some broken links.
> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> graduation_check_list
> >
> > I paste two key sections here as a checklist for verification
> >
> >-
> >
> >Preparations
> >-
> >
> >   Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file
> >   
> >   Yes, it is up-to-date
> >   -
> >
> >   Ensure suitable names
> >   
> > for
> >   project name and product names
> >   Approved, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-
> 95
> >   -
> >
> >   Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases
> >   
> >   Release 8 versions and another one is WIP, involved 3 release
> > managers
> >   -
> >
> >   Demonstrate community readiness
> >   
> >   Our contributors come from different companies and show the
> diversity
> >   and working on different components, all changes have been reviewed
> > and
> >   trackable. we have an open, positive and inclusive atmosphere for
> the
> >   discussion
> >   -
> >
> >   Ensure Mentors
> >    > Responsibilities.html#Mentor>
> >   and IPMC
> >    > Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
> >   have no remaining issues
> >   
> >   We have taken actions on issues from the discussion of graduation
> and
> >   fulfilled the Apache maturity assessment
> >
> >   https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> > -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> >   -
> >
> >Decide upon destination
> > > subproject-or-top-level>
> >Would be Top-Level Project
> >-
> >
> >Prepare a resolution
> >
> > *(top
> >level candidates only)*.
> >We will prepare our resolution according to
> >
> >https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> > submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
> >template
> >
> >https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/
> > templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt
> >and some samples
> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CRUNCH/
> > Graduation+Resolution
> >
> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/
> > Graduation+Resolution
> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/
> > Graduation+Resolution
> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MADLIB/
> > Graduation+Resolution
> >The resolution should be proposed on the general incubator list
> > before a *VOTE
> >* is started to allow
> >feedback
> >-
> >
> >Subproject acceptance *VOTE*
> > > subproject-acceptance>
> >by destination Project *(*subproject* candidates only)*
> >NA
> >-
> >
> >Incubator PMC (IPMC)
> > > Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
> >:
> >-
> >
> >   For top level candidates, this is a recommendation *VOTE*
> >    > top-level-recommendation>
> >   See below.
> >
> >   -
> >
> >   For subproject candidates, this is a graduation approval *VOTE*
> >    > subproject-graduation>
> >   NA
> >   -
> >
> >Final hand-over
> > on-hand-over
> > >
> >-
> >
> >Consider post graduation tasks
> > > project-first-steps>
> >
> >
> > Graduation to a top level project requires:
> >
> >-
> >
> >a charter for your project
> >

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Henry Saputra]

To do official VOTE thread we need to have proposed board resolution for
the TLP.

- Henry

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Gary Wong  wrote:

> Hi Patrick and Mentors
>
> Thank you for the input and guidance.
>
> I have visited the following page that you mentioned, it looks there are
> some broken links.
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#graduation_check_list
>
> I paste two key sections here as a checklist for verification
>
>-
>
>Preparations
>-
>
>   Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file
>   
>   Yes, it is up-to-date
>   -
>
>   Ensure suitable names
>   
> for
>   project name and product names
>   Approved, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-95
>   -
>
>   Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases
>   
>   Release 8 versions and another one is WIP, involved 3 release
> managers
>   -
>
>   Demonstrate community readiness
>   
>   Our contributors come from different companies and show the diversity
>   and working on different components, all changes have been reviewed
> and
>   trackable. we have an open, positive and inclusive atmosphere for the
>   discussion
>   -
>
>   Ensure Mentors
>    Responsibilities.html#Mentor>
>   and IPMC
>    Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
>   have no remaining issues
>   
>   We have taken actions on issues from the discussion of graduation and
>   fulfilled the Apache maturity assessment
>
>   https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>   -
>
>Decide upon destination
> subproject-or-top-level>
>Would be Top-Level Project
>-
>
>Prepare a resolution
>
> *(top
>level candidates only)*.
>We will prepare our resolution according to
>
>https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
>template
>
>https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/
> templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt
>and some samples
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CRUNCH/
> Graduation+Resolution
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/
> Graduation+Resolution
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/
> Graduation+Resolution
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MADLIB/
> Graduation+Resolution
>The resolution should be proposed on the general incubator list
> before a *VOTE
>* is started to allow
>feedback
>-
>
>Subproject acceptance *VOTE*
> subproject-acceptance>
>by destination Project *(*subproject* candidates only)*
>NA
>-
>
>Incubator PMC (IPMC)
> Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
>:
>-
>
>   For top level candidates, this is a recommendation *VOTE*
>    top-level-recommendation>
>   See below.
>
>   -
>
>   For subproject candidates, this is a graduation approval *VOTE*
>    subproject-graduation>
>   NA
>   -
>
>Final hand-over
> >
>-
>
>Consider post graduation tasks
> project-first-steps>
>
>
> Graduation to a top level project requires:
>
>-
>
>a charter for your project
>https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#preparing_a_charter
>-
>
>a positive community graduation VOTE
>
>
>https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> community_graduation_vote
>-
>
>a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
>
>I have not found a template for this vote, but we can refer to other
>project's vote.
>Samples
>
>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> general/201709.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_+Oub4Gtr4=hOv=
> cLeMYB0i=xeewkoxibpg1v+cwa...@mail.gmail.com%3E
>-
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gary Wong]

Hi Patrick and Mentors

Thank you for the input and guidance.

I have visited the following page that you mentioned, it looks there are
some broken links.
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#graduation_check_list

I paste two key sections here as a checklist for verification

   -

   Preparations
   -

  Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file
  
  Yes, it is up-to-date
  -

  Ensure suitable names
   for
  project name and product names
  Approved, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-95
  -

  Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases
  
  Release 8 versions and another one is WIP, involved 3 release managers
  -

  Demonstrate community readiness
  
  Our contributors come from different companies and show the diversity
  and working on different components, all changes have been reviewed and
  trackable. we have an open, positive and inclusive atmosphere for the
  discussion
  -

  Ensure Mentors
  

  and IPMC
  

  have no remaining issues
  
  We have taken actions on issues from the discussion of graduation and
  fulfilled the Apache maturity assessment

  
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
  -

   Decide upon destination
   
   Would be Top-Level Project
   -

   Prepare a resolution
    *(top
   level candidates only)*.
   We will prepare our resolution according to

   
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
   template

   
https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt
   and some samples
   https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CRUNCH/Graduation+Resolution

   https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/Graduation+Resolution
   https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Graduation+Resolution
   https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MADLIB/Graduation+Resolution
   The resolution should be proposed on the general incubator list
    before a *VOTE
   * is started to allow
   feedback
   -

   Subproject acceptance *VOTE*
   
   by destination Project *(*subproject* candidates only)*
   NA
   -

   Incubator PMC (IPMC)
   

   :
   -

  For top level candidates, this is a recommendation *VOTE*
  

  See below.

  -

  For subproject candidates, this is a graduation approval *VOTE*
  

  NA
  -

   Final hand-over
   
   -

   Consider post graduation tasks
   


Graduation to a top level project requires:

   -

   a charter for your project
   https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#preparing_a_charter
   -

   a positive community graduation VOTE
   

   https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community_graduation_vote
   -

   a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
   
   I have not found a template for this vote, but we can refer to other
   project's vote.
   Samples

   
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201709.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_+Oub4Gtr4=hOv=cLeMYB0i=xeewkoxibpg1v+cwa...@mail.gmail.com%3E
   -

   the acceptance of the resolution
    by
   the Board


so our next step would be to prepare a resolution, please help to verify it
and guide us to complete those steps for graduation, Thanks!

Very truly yours
Gary.


On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Hunt  wrote:

> ps.
>
> > 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
>
> keep in mind that 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Patrick Hunt]

ps.

> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation

keep in mind that this is the discussion thread and not a vote. Note (see
the link to grad doc I just provided) that you need to do a couple things
before the vote.

Patrick

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Patrick Hunt  wrote:

> I reviewed the status page earlier today and it looks up to date to me.
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>
> Similarly the "preparation" steps have been followed afaict:
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#graduation_check_list
> namesearch 
> etc... signed off a while ago
>
> Patrick
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>
>> Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to this email
>> thread for details.
>>
>> 1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required before
>> graduation
>> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>
>> 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for Mnemonic and
>> fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg
>> 7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
>>
>> Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes, Thanks!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>>>
>>> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are
>>> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community, so I
>>> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to collect
>>> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if any
>>> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs

 Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for
 graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's
 graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC
 graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
 http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks!

 [image: Inline image 1]

 Very truly yours
 Gary

 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong  wrote:

> +1 support for graduation.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE  wrote:
> > +1 support for graduation.
> >
> > Wei HE
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the
> readiness
> >> for the graduation.
> >>
> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
> >>
> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought
> me to
> >> your source code.  Other projects use hacking guides.  Unless
> you're on
> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
> >>
> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of
> website. we
> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link
> from
> >> navigator menu on website.
> >>
> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this
> item, from
> >> my point of view.  In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
> which
> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
> >>
> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
> >>
> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
> committers
> >> or from contributors.  If I take
> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
> >>  as an
> example, the
> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
> >>
> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit
> messages must
> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
> >>
> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use
> of
> >> *most*)*
> >>
> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source
> repository
> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated
> by mvn
> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have
> been
> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
> >>
> >> *RE10 - You link to 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Patrick Hunt]

I reviewed the status page earlier today and it looks up to date to me.
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html

Similarly the "preparation" steps have been followed afaict:
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#graduation_check_list
namesearch 
etc... signed off a while ago

Patrick

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:

> Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to this email
> thread for details.
>
> 1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required before
> graduation
> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>
> 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for Mnemonic and
> fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>
> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
>
> Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes, Thanks!
>
> Cheers
> Gary
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>
>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>>
>> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are
>> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community, so I
>> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to collect
>> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if any
>> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>>>
>>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for
>>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's
>>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC
>>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks!
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong  wrote:
>>>
 +1 support for graduation.

 On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE  wrote:
 > +1 support for graduation.
 >
 > Wei HE
 >
 > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
 wrote:
 >
 >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the
 readiness
 >> for the graduation.
 >>
 >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
 >> comments for your review, Thanks!
 >>
 >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me
 to
 >> your source code.  Other projects use hacking guides.  Unless you're
 on
 >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
 >>
 >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
 >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of
 website. we
 >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
 >> navigator menu on website.
 >>
 >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this
 item, from
 >> my point of view.  In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
 which
 >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
 >>
 >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
 >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
 >>
 >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
 committers
 >> or from contributors.  If I take
 >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
 >>  as an
 example, the
 >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
 >>
 >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages
 must
 >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
 >>
 >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use
 of
 >> *most*)*
 >>
 >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source
 repository
 >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by
 mvn
 >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have
 been
 >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
 >>
 >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
 >>  but that doesn't
 include any
 >> download links.  http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
 >>  does include
 download
 >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
 >>
 >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
 >> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gang(Gary) Wang]

Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to this email
thread for details.

1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required before
graduation
http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/

2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for Mnemonic and
fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing

3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation

Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes, Thanks!

Cheers
Gary



On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:

> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>
> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are
> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community, so I
> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to collect
> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if any
> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>>
>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for
>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's
>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC
>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks!
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong  wrote:
>>
>>> +1 support for graduation.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE  wrote:
>>> > +1 support for graduation.
>>> >
>>> > Wei HE
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the
>>> readiness
>>> >> for the graduation.
>>> >>
>>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
>>> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
>>> >>
>>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me
>>> to
>>> >> your source code.  Other projects use hacking guides.  Unless you're
>>> on
>>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
>>> >>
>>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of
>>> website. we
>>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
>>> >> navigator menu on website.
>>> >>
>>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item,
>>> from
>>> >> my point of view.  In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
>>> which
>>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
>>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
>>> >>
>>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
>>> committers
>>> >> or from contributors.  If I take
>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
>>> >>  as an
>>> example, the
>>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
>>> >>
>>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages
>>> must
>>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
>>> >>
>>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
>>> >> *most*)*
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source
>>> repository
>>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by
>>> mvn
>>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have
>>> been
>>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
>>> >>
>>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
>>> >>  but that doesn't
>>> include any
>>> >> download links.  http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>>> >>  does include
>>> download
>>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
>>> >>
>>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>>> >>
>>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
>>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
>>> >>
>>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
>>> >>
>>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
>>> >>
>>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>>> >> releases."*
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes it is and corrected
>>> >>
>>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
>>> >>
>>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gang(Gary) Wang]

Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs

Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are
positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community, so I
think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to collect
votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if any
missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!

Very truly yours
Gary


On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:

> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>
> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for
> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's
> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC
> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks!
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong  wrote:
>
>> +1 support for graduation.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE  wrote:
>> > +1 support for graduation.
>> >
>> > Wei HE
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the
>> readiness
>> >> for the graduation.
>> >>
>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
>> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
>> >> your source code.  Other projects use hacking guides.  Unless you're on
>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
>> >>
>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of website.
>> we
>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
>> >> navigator menu on website.
>> >>
>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item,
>> from
>> >> my point of view.  In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
>> which
>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
>> >>
>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
>> >>
>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
>> committers
>> >> or from contributors.  If I take
>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
>> >>  as an example,
>> the
>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
>> >>
>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages
>> must
>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
>> >>
>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
>> >> *most*)*
>> >>
>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source repository
>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by
>> mvn
>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have
>> been
>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
>> >>
>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
>> >>  but that doesn't include
>> any
>> >> download links.  http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>> >>  does include
>> download
>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
>> >>
>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>> >>
>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
>> >>
>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
>> >>
>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
>> >>
>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
>> >>
>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>> >> releases."*
>> >>
>> >> Yes it is and corrected
>> >>
>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
>> >>
>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket
>> MNEMONIC-357
>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
>> >>
>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports.  You may want to use
>> >> linters, sonar, etc.*
>> >>
>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later,
>> as
>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records all
>> bugs
>> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or
>> Intellij
>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality."
>> >>
>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
>> >> reported.  If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
>> >> this.*
>> >>
>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be treated
>> with
>> >> the highest priority, computing service and 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Wen Tong]

+1 support for graduation.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE  wrote:
> +1 support for graduation.
>
> Wei HE
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>
>> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the readiness
>> for the graduation.
>>
>> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
>> comments for your review, Thanks!
>>
>> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
>> your source code.  Other projects use hacking guides.  Unless you're on
>> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
>>
>> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
>> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of website. we
>> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
>> navigator menu on website.
>>
>> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
>> my point of view.  In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
>> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
>>
>> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
>> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
>>
>> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
>> or from contributors.  If I take
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
>>  as an example, the
>> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
>>
>> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages must
>> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
>>
>> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
>> *most*)*
>>
>> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source repository
>> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by mvn
>> building process would be excluded and all other project files have been
>> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
>>
>> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
>>  but that doesn't include any
>> download links.  http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>>  does include download
>> links to the proper release mirrors.*
>>
>> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
>> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>>
>> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
>>
>> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
>> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
>>
>> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
>>
>> Looks no mirror link in this field.
>>
>> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>> releases."*
>>
>> Yes it is and corrected
>>
>> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
>>
>> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket MNEMONIC-357
>> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
>>
>> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports.  You may want to use
>> linters, sonar, etc.*
>>
>> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later, as
>> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records all bugs
>> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or Intellij
>> IDEA to improve their code quality."
>>
>> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
>> reported.  If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
>> this.*
>>
>> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be treated with
>> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are separated
>> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns could be
>> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that this
>> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as well.
>>
>> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.*
>>
>> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
>>
>> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
>> questions from the project's committers.  Why is that?*
>>
>> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them.
>>
>> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
>> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Huge +1 to that.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
>> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
>> > >
>> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are ready
>> > for
>> > > graduation.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > - Henry
>> > >
>> > > On 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gang(Gary) Wang]

Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the readiness
for the graduation.

For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
comments for your review, Thanks!

*CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
your source code.  Other projects use hacking guides.  Unless you're on
gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*

The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of website. we
also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
navigator menu on website.

*CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
my point of view.  In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*

Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
MNEMONIC-356(WIP)

*CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
or from contributors.  If I take
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
 as an example, the
commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*

We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages must
contain Apache JIRA number and title.

*LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
*most*)*

Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source repository
have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by mvn
building process would be excluded and all other project files have been
properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.

*RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
 but that doesn't include any
download links.  http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
 does include download
links to the proper release mirrors.*

That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/

*RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*

Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.

*RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*

Looks no mirror link in this field.

*RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary releases."*

Yes it is and corrected

*RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*

Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket MNEMONIC-357
(resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)

*QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports.  You may want to use
linters, sonar, etc.*

Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later, as
for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records all bugs
in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or Intellij
IDEA to improve their code quality."

*QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
reported.  If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm this.*

The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be treated with
the highest priority, computing service and memory service are separated
from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns could be
largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that this
emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as well.

*QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.*

We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets

*CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
questions from the project's committers.  Why is that?*

They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them.

*The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing

Very truly yours
Gary





On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament 
wrote:

> Huge +1 to that.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra 
> wrote:
>
> > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
> > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
> >
> > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are ready
> for
> > graduation.
> >
> >
> > - Henry
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate.
> Its
> >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or not,
> >> but
> >> instead the IPMC as a whole.  I can give you some feedback on the APMM
> >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
> >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
> >>
> >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[John D. Ament]

Huge +1 to that.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra 
wrote:

> The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
> graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
>
> This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are ready for
> graduation.
>
>
> - Henry
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate.  Its
>> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or not,
>> but
>> instead the IPMC as a whole.  I can give you some feedback on the APMM
>> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
>> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
>>
>> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that completing this
>> is not a requirement for graduation.  Even then, podlings who think they
>> pass it may be missing things.
>>
>> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
>> your
>> source code.  Other projects use hacking guides.  Unless you're on gitbox,
>> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
>>
>> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
>> my point of view.  In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
>> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
>>
>> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
>> or from contributors.  If I take
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an example, the
>> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
>>
>> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
>> *most*)
>>
>> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but that
>> doesn't include any download links.
>> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include download
>> links
>> to the proper release mirrors.
>>
>> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
>>
>> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
>>
>> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary releases."
>>
>> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
>>
>> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports.  You may want to use
>> linters,
>> sonar, etc.
>>
>> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
>> reported.  If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
>> this.
>>
>> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.
>>
>> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
>> questions from the project's committers.  Why is that?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>> >
>> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
>> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>> >
>> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> > Gary
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi John
>> >>
>> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>> >>
>> >> Very truly yours
>> >> Gary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament > >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Please take a look at
>> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>>  Hi John
>> 
>>  This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
>>  it, Thanks!
>> 
>>  Very truly yours
>>  Gary
>> 
>> 
>>  On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi John
>> >
>> > I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out,
>> we
>> > will correct this according to your guidance.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> > Very truly yours
>> > Gary
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
>> johndam...@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>> >>
>> >> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
>> >> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>> >> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases
>> should
>> >> be archived.
>> >>
>> >> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find
>> anything
>> >> saying what the mirroring URL is.  The format is going to be
>> >> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll
>> want
>> >> to grab your specific version from there.
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi John,
>> >>>
>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Henry Saputra]

The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our graduation.
It was NOT mandatory checklist.

This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are ready for
graduation.


- Henry

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate.  Its
> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or not, but
> instead the IPMC as a whole.  I can give you some feedback on the APMM
> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
>
> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that completing this
> is not a requirement for graduation.  Even then, podlings who think they
> pass it may be missing things.
>
> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to your
> source code.  Other projects use hacking guides.  Unless you're on gitbox,
> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
>
> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
> my point of view.  In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
>
> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
> or from contributors.  If I take
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an example, the
> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
>
> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
> *most*)
>
> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but that
> doesn't include any download links.
> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include download
> links
> to the proper release mirrors.
>
> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
>
> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
>
> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary releases."
>
> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
>
> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports.  You may want to use linters,
> sonar, etc.
>
> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
> reported.  If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm this.
>
> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.
>
> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
> questions from the project's committers.  Why is that?
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>
> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
> >
> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
> >
> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi John
> >>
> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
> >>
> >> Very truly yours
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Please take a look at
> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi John
> 
>  This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
>  it, Thanks!
> 
>  Very truly yours
>  Gary
> 
> 
>  On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Hi John
> >
> > I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
> > will correct this according to your guidance.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Very truly yours
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
> johndam...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
> >>
> >> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
> >> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> >> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases
> should
> >> be archived.
> >>
> >> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find
> anything
> >> saying what the mirroring URL is.  The format is going to be
> >> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want
> >> to grab your specific version from there.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi John,
> >>>
> >>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home
> page,
> >>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for
> the
> >>> suggestion.
> >>>
> >>> Very truly yours
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Aug 16, 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gang(Gary) Wang]

Hi John

Thank you very much for the careful review and guidance, it is very helpful
and informative, we will follow up and fix all of the issues that you
pointed out for us, Thanks again!

Very truly yours
Gary


On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate.  Its
> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or not, but
> instead the IPMC as a whole.  I can give you some feedback on the APMM
> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
>
> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that completing this
> is not a requirement for graduation.  Even then, podlings who think they
> pass it may be missing things.
>
> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
> your source code.  Other projects use hacking guides.  Unless you're on
> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
>
> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
> my point of view.  In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
>
> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
> or from contributors.  If I take https://github.com/
> apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an example, the commit message says
> nothing about provenance of the source code.
>
> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
> *most*)
>
> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but that
> doesn't include any download links.  http://mnemonic.incubator.
> apache.org/downloads/ does include download links to the proper release
> mirrors.
>
> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
>
> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
>
> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary releases."
>
> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
>
> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports.  You may want to use
> linters, sonar, etc.
>
> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
> reported.  If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm this.
>
> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.
>
> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
> questions from the project's committers.  Why is that?
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>
>> Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>>
>> We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
>> guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>>
>> All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Please take a look at https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/
 mnemonic/


 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang 
 wrote:

> Hi John
>
> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
> it, Thanks!
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament > > wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>
>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases
>>> should be archived.
>>>
>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find
>>> anything saying what the mirroring URL is.  The format is going to be
>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want
>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi John,

 The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home
 page, Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much 
 for the
 suggestion.

 Very truly yours
 Gary


 On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
 wrote:

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[John D. Ament]

Hello,

So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate.  Its
not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or not, but
instead the IPMC as a whole.  I can give you some feedback on the APMM
assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.

So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that completing this
is not a requirement for graduation.  Even then, podlings who think they
pass it may be missing things.

CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to your
source code.  Other projects use hacking guides.  Unless you're on gitbox,
the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.

CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
my point of view.  In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.

CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
or from contributors.  If I take
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an example, the
commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.

LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
*most*)

RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but that
doesn't include any download links.
http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include download links
to the proper release mirrors.

RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).

RE30 - Again, not using mirror.

RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary releases."

RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.

QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports.  You may want to use linters,
sonar, etc.

QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
reported.  If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm this.

QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.

CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
questions from the project's committers.  Why is that?

Regards,

John

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:

> Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>
> We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
> guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>
> All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>
> Cheers!
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please take a look at
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi John

 This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
 it, Thanks!

 Very truly yours
 Gary


 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
 wrote:

> Hi John
>
> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
> will correct this according to your guidance.
>
> Thanks!
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>
>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should
>> be archived.
>>
>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
>> saying what the mirroring URL is.  The format is going to be
>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want
>> to grab your specific version from there.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>>> suggestion.
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi John,

 You can download all versions of the package from Apache
 distribution site that is linked from the following web page
 https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases

 Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
 https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases

 We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
 downloading the latest one.

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Wen Tong]

+1 support for graduation.

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Yanhui ZHAO <yanhui.z...@outlook.com> wrote:
> Hi Gary
>
>
> +1 support for graduation.
>
>
> Thank you and other devs for all the hard work committed to this project. It 
> has been much fun working with you guys, and I look forward to more 
> challenges and excitements after the graduation!
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> Yanhui
>
> 
> From: Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 12:00:03 PM
> To: John D. Ament; dev@mnemonic.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
>
> Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>
> We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
> guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>
> All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>
> Cheers!
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please take a look at https://dist.apache.org/rep
>>> os/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John
>>>>
>>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
>>>> it, Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi John
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
>>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
>>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should
>>>>>> be archived.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
>>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is.  The format is going to be
>>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want
>>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>>>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Yanhui ZHAO]

Hi Gary


+1 support for graduation.


Thank you and other devs for all the hard work committed to this project. It 
has been much fun working with you guys, and I look forward to more challenges 
and excitements after the graduation!


Cheers!


Yanhui


From: Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 12:00:03 PM
To: John D. Ament; dev@mnemonic.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs

We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
guide us to graduate our project, thanks.

All comments and suggestions are welcome!

Cheers!
Gary


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Please take a look at https://dist.apache.org/rep
>> os/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
>>> it, Thanks!
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John
>>>>
>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>>>
>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should
>>>>> be archived.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is.  The format is going to be
>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want
>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website.  How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qich...@gmail.com>
>>>>&

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gang(Gary) Wang]

Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs

We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
guide us to graduate our project, thanks.

All comments and suggestions are welcome!

Cheers!
Gary


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
>
>> Please take a look at https://dist.apache.org/rep
>> os/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
>>> it, Thanks!
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi John

 I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
 will correct this according to your guidance.

 Thanks!
 Very truly yours
 Gary


 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament 
 wrote:

> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>
> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should
> be archived.
>
> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
> saying what the mirroring URL is.  The format is going to be
> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want
> to grab your specific version from there.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>> suggestion.
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>
>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>
>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>>> johndam...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking at your website.  How do I download Mnemonic?

 John


 On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong 
 wrote:

> Hi Uma
>
> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review,
> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote:
>
>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>
>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to
>> check where
>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help
>> to
>> assess better?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Uma
>>
>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George"  wrote:
>>
>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .  We have
>> a stable
>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the
>> guidance of our
>> >mentors.   Any thoughts?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction
>> of
>> >>Mnemonic
>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache
>> server hosted
>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>> community
>> >> members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to
>> our Apache
>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>> README.md
>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>> >>
>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>> >>
>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
>> website,

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gang(Gary) Wang]

Hi John

Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me

Very truly yours
Gary


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament 
wrote:

> Please take a look at https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/
> mnemonic/
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review it,
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.

 - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you should
 be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
 - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should
 be archived.

 Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
 saying what the mirroring URL is.  The format is going to be
 http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want to
 grab your specific version from there.

 John



 On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang 
 wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
> suggestion.
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>
>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>
>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>> downloading the latest one.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament > > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at your website.  How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Uma

 Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank
 you very much for the guidance.

 Very truly yours
 Gary

 On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
 uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote:

> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
> What is the mentors call on this?
>
> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to
> check where
> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help
> to
> assess better?
>
> Regards,
> Uma
>
> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George"  wrote:
>
> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .  We have a
> stable
> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance
> of our
> >mentors.   Any thoughts?
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> >>
> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction
> of
> >>Mnemonic
> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server
> hosted
> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
> community
> >> members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to
> our Apache
> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
> README.md
> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> >>
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >>
> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
> website,
> >>please
> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
> >>
> >> Very truly yours.
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
> johndam...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi patrick,
> >> >
> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I
> personally
> >> > 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[John D. Ament]

Please take a look at
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:

> Hi John
>
> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review it,
> Thanks!
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>
>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you should
>>> be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should be
>>> archived.
>>>
>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
>>> saying what the mirroring URL is.  The format is going to be
>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want to
>>> grab your specific version from there.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi John,

 The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
 Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
 suggestion.

 Very truly yours
 Gary


 On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
 wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>
> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>
> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
> downloading the latest one.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking at your website.  How do I download Mnemonic?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Uma
>>>
>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank
>>> you very much for the guidance.
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote:
>>>
 IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
 What is the mentors call on this?

 I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check
 where
 we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
 assess better?

 Regards,
 Uma

 On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George"  wrote:

 >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .  We have a
 stable
 >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance
 of our
 >mentors.   Any thoughts?
 >
 >
 >
 >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
 wrote:
 >
 >> Dear John and Patrick,
 >>
 >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
 >>Mnemonic
 >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server
 hosted
 >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
 community
 >> members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to
 our Apache
 >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
 README.md
 >> file. Please review it as follows.
 >>
 >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
 >>
 >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
 website,
 >>please
 >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
 >>
 >> Very truly yours.
 >> Gary
 >>
 >>
 >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
 johndam...@apache.org>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >> > Hi patrick,
 >> >
 >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I
 personally
 >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
 Specifically saying
 >> that
 >> > you need to learn it from github.
 >> >
 >> > John
 >> >
 >> >
 >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt 
 wrote:
 >> >
 >> > > Given 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gang(Gary) Wang]

Hi John

I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we will
correct this according to your guidance.

Thanks!
Very truly yours
Gary


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament 
wrote:

> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>
> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you should be
> linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should be
> archived.
>
> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
> saying what the mirroring URL is.  The format is going to be
> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want to
> grab your specific version from there.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>> suggestion.
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>
>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>
>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking at your website.  How do I download Mnemonic?

 John


 On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong  wrote:

> Hi Uma
>
> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank
> you very much for the guidance.
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote:
>
>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>
>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check
>> where
>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
>> assess better?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Uma
>>
>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George"  wrote:
>>
>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .  We have a
>> stable
>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of
>> our
>> >mentors.   Any thoughts?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
>> >>Mnemonic
>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server
>> hosted
>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>> community
>> >> members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our
>> Apache
>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>> README.md
>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>> >>
>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>> >>
>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
>> >>please
>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>> >>
>> >> Very truly yours.
>> >> Gary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>> johndam...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi patrick,
>> >> >
>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I
>> personally
>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.  Specifically
>> saying
>> >> that
>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>> >> >
>> >> > John
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt 
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
>> >> community
>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
>> procedures I
>> >>feel
>> >> > that
>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
>> >>interest
>> >> in
>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you
>> feel
>> >> you're
>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Regards,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Patrick
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>> ddu...@apache.org>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[John D. Ament]

Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.

- You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you should be
linking to your mirrored artifacts.
- You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should be
archived.

Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
saying what the mirroring URL is.  The format is going to be
http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want to grab
your specific version from there.

John



On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
> suggestion.
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>
>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>
>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>> downloading the latest one.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at your website.  How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Uma

 Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank you
 very much for the guidance.

 Very truly yours
 Gary

 On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
 uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote:

> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
> What is the mentors call on this?
>
> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check
> where
> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
> assess better?
>
> Regards,
> Uma
>
> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George"  wrote:
>
> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .  We have a
> stable
> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of
> our
> >mentors.   Any thoughts?
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> >>
> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
> >>Mnemonic
> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server
> hosted
> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
> community
> >> members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our
> Apache
> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
> README.md
> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> >>
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >>
> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
> >>please
> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
> >>
> >> Very truly yours.
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
> johndam...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi patrick,
> >> >
> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I
> personally
> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.  Specifically
> saying
> >> that
> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
> >> community
> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures
> I
> >>feel
> >> > that
> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
> >>interest
> >> in
> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you
> feel
> >> you're
> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > Patrick
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
> ddu...@apache.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
> >> committers
> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from
> other
> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
> >>committers.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> cheers
> >> > >> debo
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Fri, May 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gang(Gary) Wang]

Hi John,

The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page, Please
refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the suggestion.

Very truly yours
Gary


On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> You can download all versions of the package from Apache distribution site
> that is linked from the following web page
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>
> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>
> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
> downloading the latest one.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking at your website.  How do I download Mnemonic?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Uma
>>>
>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank you
>>> very much for the guidance.
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote:
>>>
 IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
 What is the mentors call on this?

 I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check
 where
 we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
 assess better?

 Regards,
 Uma

 On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George"  wrote:

 >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .  We have a
 stable
 >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of
 our
 >mentors.   Any thoughts?
 >
 >
 >
 >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
 wrote:
 >
 >> Dear John and Patrick,
 >>
 >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
 >>Mnemonic
 >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server
 hosted
 >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
 >> members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our
 Apache
 >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
 README.md
 >> file. Please review it as follows.
 >>
 >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
 >>
 >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
 >>please
 >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
 >>
 >> Very truly yours.
 >> Gary
 >>
 >>
 >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
 johndam...@apache.org>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >> > Hi patrick,
 >> >
 >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I
 personally
 >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.  Specifically
 saying
 >> that
 >> > you need to learn it from github.
 >> >
 >> > John
 >> >
 >> >
 >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt 
 wrote:
 >> >
 >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
 >> community
 >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I
 >>feel
 >> > that
 >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
 >>interest
 >> in
 >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you
 feel
 >> you're
 >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
 >> > >
 >> > > Regards,
 >> > >
 >> > > Patrick
 >> > >
 >> > >
 >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
 ddu...@apache.org>
 >> > wrote:
 >> > >
 >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
 >> committers
 >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from
 other
 >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
 >> > >>
 >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
 >>committers.
 >> > >>
 >> > >> cheers
 >> > >> debo
 >> > >>
 >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt 
 >> wrote:
 >> > >>
 >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this
 one if
 >> very
 >> > >> well
 >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
 >>about
 >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
 >> > >> communities".
 >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
 >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
 >>community
 >> > as
 >> > >> a
 >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the
 apache
 >>way"
 >> > >> quite
 >> > >> > well, so it's really 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gang(Gary) Wang]

Hi John,

You can download all versions of the package from Apache distribution site
that is linked from the following web page
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases

Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases

We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
downloading the latest one.

Thanks!

Very truly yours
Gary


On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament 
wrote:

> I'm looking at your website.  How do I download Mnemonic?
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong  wrote:
>
>> Hi Uma
>>
>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank you
>> very much for the guidance.
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote:
>>
>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>
>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check where
>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
>>> assess better?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Uma
>>>
>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George"  wrote:
>>>
>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .  We have a stable
>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of our
>>> >mentors.   Any thoughts?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
>>> >>Mnemonic
>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
>>> >> members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our
>>> Apache
>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>> >>
>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>> >>
>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
>>> >>please
>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>> >>
>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>> >> Gary
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament >> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I
>>> personally
>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.  Specifically
>>> saying
>>> >> that
>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > John
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt 
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
>>> >> community
>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I
>>> >>feel
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
>>> >>interest
>>> >> in
>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel
>>> >> you're
>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Regards,
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Patrick
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>> ddu...@apache.org>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
>>> >> committers
>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from
>>> other
>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>> >>committers.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> cheers
>>> >> > >> debo
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one
>>> if
>>> >> very
>>> >> > >> well
>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
>>> >>about
>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
>>> >> > >> communities".
>>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
>>> >>community
>>> >> > as
>>> >> > >> a
>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache
>>> >>way"
>>> >> > >> quite
>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
>>> >> > >> community is
>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is
>>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[John D. Ament]

I'm looking at your website.  How do I download Mnemonic?

John

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong  wrote:

> Hi Uma
>
> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank you
> very much for the guidance.
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma  > wrote:
>
>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>
>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check where
>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
>> assess better?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Uma
>>
>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George"  wrote:
>>
>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .  We have a stable
>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of our
>> >mentors.   Any thoughts?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
>> >>Mnemonic
>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
>> >> members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our
>> Apache
>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>> >>
>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>> >>
>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
>> >>please
>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>> >>
>> >> Very truly yours.
>> >> Gary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi patrick,
>> >> >
>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I
>> personally
>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.  Specifically
>> saying
>> >> that
>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>> >> >
>> >> > John
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt 
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
>> >> community
>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I
>> >>feel
>> >> > that
>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
>> >>interest
>> >> in
>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel
>> >> you're
>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Regards,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Patrick
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta > >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
>> >> committers
>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>> >>committers.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> cheers
>> >> > >> debo
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one
>> if
>> >> very
>> >> > >> well
>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
>> >>about
>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
>> >> > >> communities".
>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
>> >>community
>> >> > as
>> >> > >> a
>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache
>> >>way"
>> >> > >> quite
>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
>> >> > >> community is
>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Patrick
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>> >>> >> >
>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is
>> >>they
>> >> do
>> >> > >> it
>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to
>> >>search
>> >> > >> > through
>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
>> >>podlings
>> >> > >> > running
>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then,
>> >>do
>> >> > it.
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
>> >>response
>> >> to
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I
>> >> didn't
>> >> > >> think
>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gary Wong]

Hi Uma

Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank you
very much for the guidance.

Very truly yours
Gary


On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma 
wrote:

> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
> What is the mentors call on this?
>
> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check where
> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
> assess better?
>
> Regards,
> Uma
>
> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George"  wrote:
>
> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .  We have a stable
> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of our
> >mentors.   Any thoughts?
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> >>
> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
> >>Mnemonic
> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
> >> members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our Apache
> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> >>
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >>
> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
> >>please
> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
> >>
> >> Very truly yours.
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi patrick,
> >> >
> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I personally
> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.  Specifically saying
> >> that
> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
> >> community
> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I
> >>feel
> >> > that
> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
> >>interest
> >> in
> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel
> >> you're
> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > Patrick
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta 
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
> >> committers
> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
> >>committers.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> cheers
> >> > >> debo
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt 
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if
> >> very
> >> > >> well
> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
> >>about
> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
> >> > >> communities".
> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
> >>community
> >> > as
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache
> >>way"
> >> > >> quite
> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
> >> > >> community is
> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
> >> >> >
> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is
> >>they
> >> do
> >> > >> it
> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to
> >>search
> >> > >> > through
> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
> >>podlings
> >> > >> > running
> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then,
> >>do
> >> > it.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
> >>response
> >> to
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I
> >> didn't
> >> > >> think
> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > johndam...@apache.org>
> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> I read it.  I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback
> >> with
> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly?  I've noticed 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Patrick Hunt]

I believe it's this one:
https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html

wrt readiness see my previous comment on this thread - iirc John was
concerned about the status of the web site but from what I've seen there
have been significant improvements since. John?

Regards,

Patrick

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma 
wrote:

> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
> What is the mentors call on this?
>
> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check where
> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
> assess better?
>
> Regards,
> Uma
>
> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George"  wrote:
>
> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .  We have a stable
> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of our
> >mentors.   Any thoughts?
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> >>
> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
> >>Mnemonic
> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
> >> members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our Apache
> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> >>
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >>
> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
> >>please
> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
> >>
> >> Very truly yours.
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi patrick,
> >> >
> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I personally
> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.  Specifically saying
> >> that
> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
> >> community
> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I
> >>feel
> >> > that
> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
> >>interest
> >> in
> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel
> >> you're
> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > Patrick
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta 
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
> >> committers
> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
> >>committers.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> cheers
> >> > >> debo
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt 
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if
> >> very
> >> > >> well
> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
> >>about
> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
> >> > >> communities".
> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
> >>community
> >> > as
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache
> >>way"
> >> > >> quite
> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
> >> > >> community is
> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
> >> >> >
> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is
> >>they
> >> do
> >> > >> it
> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to
> >>search
> >> > >> > through
> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
> >>podlings
> >> > >> > running
> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then,
> >>do
> >> > it.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
> >>response
> >> to
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I
> >> didn't
> >> > >> think
> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > johndam...@apache.org>
> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >> > >> > >

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gangumalla, Uma]

IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
What is the mentors call on this?

I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check where
we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
assess better?

Regards,
Uma

On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George"  wrote:

>It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .  We have a stable
>release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of our
>mentors.   Any thoughts?
>
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>
>> Dear John and Patrick,
>>
>> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
>>Mnemonic
>> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
>> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
>> members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our Apache
>> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
>> file. Please review it as follows.
>>
>> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>
>> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
>>please
>> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>
>> Very truly yours.
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi patrick,
>> >
>> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I personally
>> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.  Specifically saying
>> that
>> > you need to learn it from github.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
>> community
>> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I
>>feel
>> > that
>> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
>>interest
>> in
>> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel
>> you're
>> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Patrick
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta 
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
>> committers
>> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
>> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>> > >>
>> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>committers.
>> > >>
>> > >> cheers
>> > >> debo
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt 
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if
>> very
>> > >> well
>> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
>>about
>> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
>> > >> communities".
>> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
>>community
>> > as
>> > >> a
>> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache
>>way"
>> > >> quite
>> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
>> > >> community is
>> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Patrick
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>> >
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is
>>they
>> do
>> > >> it
>> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to
>>search
>> > >> > through
>> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
>>podlings
>> > >> > running
>> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then,
>>do
>> > it.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
>>response
>> to
>> > >> the
>> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I
>> didn't
>> > >> think
>> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>> > johndam...@apache.org>
>> > >> > > wrote:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >> Patrick,
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> I read it.  I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback
>> with
>> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly?  I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't
>> see
>> > >> the
>> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy
>>page
>> of
>> > >> all
>> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
>> > information
>> > >> > >> here:
>> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release
>>vote,
>> > >> > that's a
>> > >> > >> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Johnu George]

It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .  We have a stable
release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of our
mentors.   Any thoughts?



On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:

> Dear John and Patrick,
>
> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of Mnemonic
> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
> members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our Apache
> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
> file. Please review it as follows.
>
> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>
> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website, please
> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>
> Very truly yours.
> Gary
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi patrick,
> >
> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I personally
> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.  Specifically saying
> that
> > you need to learn it from github.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt  wrote:
> >
> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
> community
> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I feel
> > that
> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is interest
> in
> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel
> you're
> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
> committers
> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> > >>
> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more committers.
> > >>
> > >> cheers
> > >> debo
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if
> very
> > >> well
> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is about
> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
> > >> communities".
> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache community
> > as
> > >> a
> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache way"
> > >> quite
> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
> > >> community is
> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
> > >> >
> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> > >> >
> > >> > Patrick
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell  >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is they
> do
> > >> it
> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to search
> > >> > through
> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other podlings
> > >> > running
> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then, do
> > it.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in response
> to
> > >> the
> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I
> didn't
> > >> think
> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
> > johndam...@apache.org>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Patrick,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I read it.  I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback
> with
> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly?  I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't
> see
> > >> the
> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy page
> of
> > >> all
> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
> > information
> > >> > >> here:
> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release vote,
> > >> > that's a
> > >> > >> great sign.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes the
> > >> > committer
> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
> > >> > >> affiliations).
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to
> > podlings
> > >> to
> > >> > >> get
> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving
> > forward
> > >> yet
> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On Wed, 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gang(Gary) Wang]

Dear John and Patrick,

Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of Mnemonic
Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
members.  we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our Apache
server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
file. Please review it as follows.

http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/

Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website, please
clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.

Very truly yours.
Gary


On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament 
wrote:

> Hi patrick,
>
> I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I personally
> would like to see that fixed before a graduation.  Specifically saying that
> you need to learn it from github.
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt  wrote:
>
> > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase community
> > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I feel
> that
> > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is interest in
> > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel you're
> > ready to graduate at this point?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new committers
> >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
> >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >>
> >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more committers.
> >>
> >> cheers
> >> debo
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt  wrote:
> >>
> >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if very
> >> well
> >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is about
> >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
> >> communities".
> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
> >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache community
> as
> >> a
> >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache way"
> >> quite
> >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
> >> community is
> >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
> >> >
> >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >> >
> >> > Patrick
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is they do
> >> it
> >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to search
> >> > through
> >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other podlings
> >> > running
> >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then, do
> it.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in response to
> >> the
> >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I didn't
> >> think
> >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
> johndam...@apache.org>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Patrick,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I read it.  I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback with
> >> > >> Mnemonic directly?  I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't see
> >> the
> >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy page of
> >> all
> >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
> information
> >> > >> here:
> >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
> >> > >>
> >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release vote,
> >> > that's a
> >> > >> great sign.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes the
> >> > committer
> >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
> >> > >> affiliations).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to
> podlings
> >> to
> >> > >> get
> >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving
> forward
> >> yet
> >> > >> due to $reasons.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt 
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling
> >> report?
> >> > Do
> >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed significantly in
> the
> >> > past
> >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a single
> >> person.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point are
> >> around
> >> > >> > 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[John D. Ament]

Hi patrick,

I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.  I personally
would like to see that fixed before a graduation.  Specifically saying that
you need to learn it from github.

John


On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt  wrote:

> Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase community
> involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I feel that
> my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is interest in
> the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel you're
> ready to graduate at this point?
>
> Regards,
>
> Patrick
>
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta  wrote:
>
>> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new committers
>> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
>> companies like Cisco recently.
>>
>> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more committers.
>>
>> cheers
>> debo
>>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt  wrote:
>>
>> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if very
>> well
>> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is about
>> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
>> communities".
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache community as
>> a
>> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache way"
>> quite
>> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
>> community is
>> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
>> >
>> > Hope this helps, regards,
>> >
>> > Patrick
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is they do
>> it
>> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to search
>> > through
>> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other podlings
>> > running
>> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then, do it.
>> > >
>> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in response to
>> the
>> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I didn't
>> think
>> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Patrick,
>> > >>
>> > >> I read it.  I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback with
>> > >> Mnemonic directly?  I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't see
>> the
>> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>> > >>
>> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy page of
>> all
>> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that information
>> > >> here:
>> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>> > >>
>> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release vote,
>> > that's a
>> > >> great sign.
>> > >>
>> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes the
>> > committer
>> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
>> > >> affiliations).
>> > >>
>> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to podlings
>> to
>> > >> get
>> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving forward
>> yet
>> > >> due to $reasons.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt 
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling
>> report?
>> > Do
>> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed significantly in the
>> > past
>> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a single
>> person.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>> > >> >
>> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point are
>> around
>> > >> > diversity.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Patrick
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang > >
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might be
>> ready to
>> > >> get
>> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according to the
>> > >> >> processes
>> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with your
>> > >> mentoring
>> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>- Community graduation vote
>> > >> >>- IPMC recommendation vote
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>> > >> >> Very truly yours
>> > >> >> +Gary
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> ga...@apache.org>
>> > >> >> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> > Hi John
>> > 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Patrick Hunt]

Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase community
involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I feel that
my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is interest in
the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel you're
ready to graduate at this point?

Regards,

Patrick


On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta  wrote:

> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new committers
> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
> companies like Cisco recently.
>
> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more committers.
>
> cheers
> debo
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt  wrote:
>
> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if very
> well
> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is about
> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
> communities".
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache community as a
> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache way"
> quite
> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that community
> is
> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
> >
> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is they do it
> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to search
> > through
> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other podlings
> > running
> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then, do it.
> > >
> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in response to the
> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I didn't
> think
> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Patrick,
> > >>
> > >> I read it.  I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback with
> > >> Mnemonic directly?  I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't see the
> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
> > >>
> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy page of
> all
> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that information
> > >> here:
> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
> > >>
> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release vote,
> > that's a
> > >> great sign.
> > >>
> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes the
> > committer
> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
> > >> affiliations).
> > >>
> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to podlings
> to
> > >> get
> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving forward
> yet
> > >> due to $reasons.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling report?
> > Do
> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed significantly in the
> > past
> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a single
> person.
> > >> >
> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
> > >> >
> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point are
> around
> > >> > diversity.
> > >> >
> > >> > Patrick
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> > >> >>
> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might be ready
> to
> > >> get
> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according to the
> > >> >> processes
> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with your
> > >> mentoring
> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
> > >> >>
> > >> >>- Community graduation vote
> > >> >>- IPMC recommendation vote
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> > >> >> Very truly yours
> > >> >> +Gary
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  >
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Hi John
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract more people
> > to
> > >> >> join
> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic and
> > already
> > >> get
> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their business so I
> > >> think
> > >> >> > that it is very 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Patrick Hunt]

I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if very well
run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is about
diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing communities".
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache community as a
whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache way" quite
well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that community is
being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.

Hope this helps, regards,

Patrick

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell  wrote:

> For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is they do it
> (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to search through
> the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other podlings running
> a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then, do it.
>
> I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in response to the
> earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I didn't think
> that the incubator report might not be read back.
>
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> I read it.  I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback with
>> Mnemonic directly?  I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't see the
>> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>
>> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy page of all
>> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that information
>> here:
>> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>
>> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release vote, that's a
>> great sign.
>>
>> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes the committer
>> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
>> affiliations).
>>
>> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to podlings to
>> get
>> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving forward yet
>> due to $reasons.
>>
>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling report? Do
>> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed significantly in the past
>> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a single person.
>> >
>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>> >
>> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point are around
>> > diversity.
>> >
>> > Patrick
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>> >>
>> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might be ready to
>> get
>> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according to the
>> >> processes
>> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with your
>> mentoring
>> >> and guidance if no objection today
>> >>
>> >>- Community graduation vote
>> >>- IPMC recommendation vote
>> >>
>> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>> >> Very truly yours
>> >> +Gary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi John
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract more people to
>> >> join
>> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic and already
>> get
>> >> > interested as i known.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their business so I
>> think
>> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic graduated in time if
>> >> > qualified.
>> >> >
>> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate Mnemonic, I'm also
>> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!
>> >> > Very truly yours
>> >> > Gary
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament 
>> wrote:
>> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current growth and well
>> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you guys to
>> graduate?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > John
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
>- Andy
>
> If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted freely. - Raymond
> Teller (via Peter Watts)
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Patrick Hunt]

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> I read it.  I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback with
> Mnemonic directly?  I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't see the
> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>
>
A quick search shows recent feedback a few months ago that's consistent
with my current comments and updates to the board:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1c364f30e6df1880cf924534687dfa787ec8403a0c4f1f5b2e3a1475@%3Cdev.mnemonic.apache.org%3E
of course we can always do better/more frequent.


> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy page of all
> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that information here:
> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>
> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release vote, that's a
> great sign.
>
> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes the committer
> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company affiliations).
>
>
Agree. As noted to the IPMC previously the mentor activity hasn't been
great. We're effectively at 1/2 strength. Perhaps with more mentor
involvement we could cover more of the bases.


> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to podlings to
> get them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving forward
> yet due to $reasons.
>
>
That's a good forcing function. Unfortunately it can set expectations with
the podling that their mentors "are the bad guys, keeping us from
graduation", vs looking out for their best interests and best interests of
the foundation. I would expect the mentors to be consulted before
significant changes are recommended.

Regards,

Patrick


>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt  wrote:
>
>> Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling report? Do
>> you disagree? I don't believe this has changed significantly in the past
>> month/two. For example all releases have been done by a single person.
>>
>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>
>> As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point are around
>> diversity.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>
>>> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might be ready to get
>>> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according to the
>>> processes
>>> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with your
>>> mentoring
>>> and guidance if no objection today
>>>
>>>- Community graduation vote
>>>- IPMC recommendation vote
>>>
>>> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>>> Very truly yours
>>> +Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi John
>>> >
>>> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>> >
>>> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract more people to
>>> join
>>> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic and already
>>> get
>>> > interested as i known.
>>> >
>>> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their business so I think
>>> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic graduated in time if
>>> > qualified.
>>> >
>>> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate Mnemonic, I'm also
>>> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> > Very truly yours
>>> > Gary
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament  wrote:
>>> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>> > >
>>> > > After looking at your recent release, your current growth and well
>>> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you guys to graduate?
>>> > >
>>> > > John
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Andrew Purtell]

For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is they do it
(mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to search through
the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other podlings running
a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then, do it.

I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in response to the
earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I didn't think
that the incubator report might not be read back.


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> I read it.  I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback with
> Mnemonic directly?  I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't see the
> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>
> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy page of all
> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that information here:
> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>
> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release vote, that's a
> great sign.
>
> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes the committer
> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
> affiliations).
>
> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to podlings to get
> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving forward yet
> due to $reasons.
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt  wrote:
>
> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling report? Do
> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed significantly in the past
> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a single person.
> >
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
> >
> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point are around
> > diversity.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> >>
> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might be ready to
> get
> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according to the
> >> processes
> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with your
> mentoring
> >> and guidance if no objection today
> >>
> >>- Community graduation vote
> >>- IPMC recommendation vote
> >>
> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> >> Very truly yours
> >> +Gary
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi John
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract more people to
> >> join
> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic and already
> get
> >> > interested as i known.
> >> >
> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their business so I think
> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic graduated in time if
> >> > qualified.
> >> >
> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate Mnemonic, I'm also
> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> > Very truly yours
> >> > Gary
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament  wrote:
> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> >> > >
> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current growth and well
> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you guys to
> graduate?
> >> > >
> >> > > John
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>



-- 
Best regards,

   - Andy

If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted freely. - Raymond
Teller (via Peter Watts)

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Patrick Hunt]

Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling report? Do you
disagree? I don't believe this has changed significantly in the past
month/two. For example all releases have been done by a single person.

https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017

As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point are around
diversity.

Patrick

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:

> Hi John and PPMCs
>
> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might be ready to get
> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according to the processes
> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with your mentoring
> and guidance if no objection today
>
>- Community graduation vote
>- IPMC recommendation vote
>
> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> Very truly yours
> +Gary
>
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:
>
> > Hi John
> >
> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
> >
> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract more people to join
> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic and already get
> > interested as i known.
> >
> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their business so I think
> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic graduated in time if
> > qualified.
> >
> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate Mnemonic, I'm also
> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Very truly yours
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament  wrote:
> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> > >
> > > After looking at your recent release, your current growth and well
> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you guys to graduate?
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gang(Gary) Wang]

Hi John and PPMCs

As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might be ready to get
graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according to the processes
of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with your mentoring
and guidance if no objection today

   - Community graduation vote
   - IPMC recommendation vote

Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
Very truly yours
+Gary


On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang  wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Thank you for starting this discussion.
>
> Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract more people to join
> our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic and already get
> interested as i known.
>
> Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their business so I think
> that it is very important for us to get mnemonic graduated in time if
> qualified.
>
> My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate Mnemonic, I'm also
> looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
>
> Thanks!
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament  wrote:
> > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> >
> > After looking at your recent release, your current growth and well
> functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you guys to graduate?
> >
> > John
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?

[Gang(Gary) Wang]

Hi John

Thank you for starting this discussion.

Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract more people to join
our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic and already get
interested as i known.

Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their business so I think that
it is very important for us to get mnemonic graduated in time if qualified.

My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate Mnemonic, I'm also
looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.

Thanks!
Very truly yours
Gary


On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament  wrote:
> Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>
> After looking at your recent release, your current growth and well
functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you guys to graduate?
>
> John
>