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structure (was RE: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?) Am 09/05/2016 12:49 AM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: [ ... ] 3d. My second question is, why is not<http://www.openoffice.org/participate>, the material at <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo- site/trunk/con

Re: ooo-site "Participation/Help-Wanted" structure (was RE: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?)

Am 09/05/2016 12:49 AM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 10:34 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve? Am 09/04/2016 06:43 PM, schrieb Dennis E

ooo-site "Participation/Help-Wanted" structure (was RE: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?)

> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 10:34 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve? > > Am 09/04/2016 06:43 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: [ ... ] [o

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Am 09/04/2016 06:43 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 02:09 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve? Am 09/04/2016 01:40 AM, schrieb Dennis E

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> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 02:09 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve? > > Am 09/04/2016 01:40 AM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: >

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Marcus schreef op 04-09-2016 11:09: you don't need to figure this out on your own. You can ask me how it works. It would be much faster and more efficient. ;-) How common is not that experience ;-). For some reason in Linux (or in general) we assume or we are given reasons to believe that

Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

We still need PackageMaker, from what I can tell, which is really, really deprecated. Has anyone tried porting that function to Packages or OSX's own pkgbuild? But yes, I do have PackageMaker installed and worked around the hardcoded path in configure... Why it does a strings on epm and looks for

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Am 09/04/2016 01:40 AM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 10:18 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve? -Original Message

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> -Original Message- > From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] > Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 10:18 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: RE: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve? > > > > > -Original Message---

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Hi Jim, On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 05:20:08PM -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote: > I had an issue w/ epm and PackageMaker, which is hardcoded in > configure to live in /Developer/ Also some other nits... For epm you have two options: - use --with-epm-url pointing to a tarball - build you own epm

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I had an issue w/ epm and PackageMaker, which is hardcoded in configure to live in /Developer/ Also some other nits... Taking notes and will send patches in. > On Sep 3, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 03:17:01PM -0400, Jim

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Jim Jagielski wrote: > Cool... We should get rid of that old page or put DEPRECATED in big letters. > I have added a note to the page stating that it is deprecated along with a link to the newer page. Regards Keith > So have people built w/ 10.11 and Xcode 7.2.1 ? > >> On Sep 3, 2016, at 2:02

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On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 03:17:01PM -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote: > Cool... We should get rid of that old page or put DEPRECATED in big letters. > > So have people built w/ 10.11 and Xcode 7.2.1 ? I've just built branch AOO410 with the latest and greatest, you need to apply

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Cool... We should get rid of that old page or put DEPRECATED in big letters. So have people built w/ 10.11 and Xcode 7.2.1 ? > On Sep 3, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > Jim Jagielski wrote: >> According to >>

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Let me check. FWIW, I have now a 10.7 guest running on my MacPro via VMware Fusion. I am the legal licensee of that version as well. > On Sep 3, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > It works on VMware VHosts too. > > Jim, wearing your VP, Legal Affairs hat do you

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Please be aware that the board does not "stick its nose" into the daily operations of a project. The current status of AOO came to the boards attention via the required PMC reports as well as other communications. It was only because of that that the board got involved. > On Sep 2, 2016, at 3:57

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Jim Jagielski wrote: According to https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_MacOSX o OSX 10.4 or 10.5 o Xcode 2.4.1 or 3 o OSX 10.4 SDK Ahem... Have you noticed that the title says "OpenOffice 3.x or Apache OpenOffice 4.0"? You should not build 4.0.

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It works on VMware VHosts too. Jim, wearing your VP, Legal Affairs hat do you know anyone at Apple that could help grant a special license from Apple? Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > Well, not sure if it is

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According to https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_MacOSX o OSX 10.4 or 10.5 o Xcode 2.4.1 or 3 o OSX 10.4 SDK From what I can see the likely culprit is support for PowerPC, since, iirc, 10.4 was the last to support PPC. The OSX 10.4 SDK is also an

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Well, not sure if it is *allowed* or not, but VMware Fusion specifically allows for it. And it works. > On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:11 PM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > > That's unfortunate. And Apple doesn't allow running OSX under a VM on > another > OS do they? > > > Phil >

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Thank you for the initiative. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 3, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > >> On 9/3/2016 2:07 AM, Marcus wrote: >> Am 09/03/2016 09:47 AM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan: >>> Thanks. I've already filed the request to create the list. Once that >>>

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Am 09/03/2016 09:47 AM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan: Thanks. I've already filed the request to create the list. Once that happens I'll see about adding you to the moderators. that's the problem of time zones: You are always late when others have already answered. ;-) So, if you need another

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Thanks. I've already filed the request to create the list. Once that happens I'll see about adding you to the moderators. On 9/2/2016 10:42 PM, Dave Barton wrote: I am an a moderator for this and other AOO lists. Feel free to add me to the list of moderators. Regards Dave Original

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> From: Bruce Byfield [mailto:bbyfi...@axion.net] > I would suggest that the question goes beyond marketing. It is about > purpose as well. What makes AOO worth spending time on, as opposed to > any other similar project? It is the high quality and practical significance. OK, at the moment

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I am an a moderator for this and other AOO lists. Feel free to add me to the list of moderators. Regards Dave Original Message From: Patricia Shanahan To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 15:51:18 -0700 > Thanks. Any views on whether the archive

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I have requested creation of the mailing list, with Andrea and myself as moderators. On 9/2/2016 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Patricia Shanahan wrote: If you can send me a pointer to documentation on the correct moderator tools, I can also do that. How soon can we get the list started?

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On September 3, 2016 12:38:56 AM toki wrote: >On 02/09/2016 19:06, Pedro Giffuni wrote: >>> What can Apache OpenOffice offer that related projects like > >LibreOffice cannot? > >> That is not an important question: >In terms of marketing that is the only question that is relevant. >It doesn't

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On 02/09/2016 19:06, Pedro Giffuni wrote: >> What can Apache OpenOffice offer that related projects like LibreOffice cannot? > That is not an important question: In terms of marketing that is the only question that is relevant. It doesn't matter if you are trying to get more developers, or

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Patricia Shanahan wrote: Any views on whether the archive should be private or public? We have no options here. Archives have to be public for this kind of lists (ASF archives are never really private, but this is another matter). Regards, Andrea.

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Jim Jagielski wrote: The issue, currently, is that the Mac OS X build requires, last I checked, an extremely old version of OSX, Xcode, et.al. No one has such a beast laying around. When did you check? And what does "extremely old" mean? OpenOffice 4.1.2 was built with a version of XCode

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Thanks. Any views on whether the archive should be private or public? Alternative volunteer for moderator? On 9/2/2016 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Patricia Shanahan wrote: If you can send me a pointer to documentation on the correct moderator tools, I can also do that. How soon can we get

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Do we understand the reason for the old version of OSX etc.? On 9/2/2016 3:48 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: The issue, currently, is that the Mac OS X build requires, last I checked, an extremely old version of OSX, Xcode, et.al. No one has such a beast laying around. I have tried creating a VMware

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The issue, currently, is that the Mac OS X build requires, last I checked, an extremely old version of OSX, Xcode, et.al. No one has such a beast laying around. I have tried creating a VMware Fusion guest but it is difficult finding all the bits and pieces. There was some discussion on

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Patricia Shanahan wrote: If you can send me a pointer to documentation on the correct moderator tools, I can also do that. How soon can we get the list started? Request form is here: https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq and requests are usually honored within 48 hours. You'll have to

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On 9/2/2016 10:37 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: On 9/2/2016 10:18 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: -Original Message- From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 09:26 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement

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Message posted on the EN forum: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49=84952 If you need the message to be changed, don't hesitate, I can edit it. Hagar Le 02/09/2016 à 18:25, Patricia Shanahan a écrit : On 9/2/2016 7:59 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: OK, counter-point to the

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Am 02.09.2016 um 16:59 schrieb Phillip Rhodes: > > What has to happen next? What is the most important thing/things we could > be > working on? What could I do *right now* to help move things in a positive > direction? > As I wrote before: If we want to recruit new developer, we need a

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Marcus wrote: > > >> The bad things are: > - we need a release manager for a 4.2.0 or 4.1.3 version. > - we need hardware to get builds for Wndows, Linux and Mac. > - we need a possibility to build on Mac (buildbot or an individual >

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Am 09/02/2016 04:59 PM, schrieb Phillip Rhodes: OK, counter-point to the other thread... let's talk specifically about what needs to happen next, given that some (plenty|most|all|???) of us want this project to continue moving forward. hm, I can only hope that it the *very* most of us. ;-)

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Then you should give the project every encouragement to get the build process properly prepared. Our outgoing PMC chair should consider the same. Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > > > >> On 2016-09-02 09:43

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Am 09/02/2016 06:25 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan: On 9/2/2016 7:59 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: OK, counter-point to the other thread... let's talk specifically about what needs to happen next, given that some (plenty|most|all|???) of us want this project to continue moving forward. What has to

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On 2016-09-02 09:43 (-0700), Pedro Giffuni wrote: > At this time I am unsure what the Board wants from the project. My primary concern as a Board member is that the project respond promptly and effectively to security reports. Marvin Humphrey

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Hi - Awesome. These are the kinds of questions that should energize the project. Base is a problem, but there are many Java bridges that can be plugged if we open up the configuration. Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Phillip Rhodes

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On 02/09/2016 17:21, Phillip Rhodes wrote: >> a Mac Mini with 500 GB hard disk and Mac OS Yosemite delivered on Sunday. > Is such a machine sufficiently powerful for building AOO, Yes. >and doing so in a reasonable period of time? That depends upon what the user considers "reasonable". For

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> If you excuse the comment from an outsider, I suggest the question you > need to answer is: What can Apache OpenOffice offer that related > projects like LibreOffice cannot? > That's a good question. The one obvious thing, which matters to some people, but not others, is "be licensed under the

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On September 2, 2016 10:59:55 AM Phillip Rhodes wrote: >OK, counter-point to the other thread... let's talk specifically about >what needs to happen next, given that some (plenty|most|all|???) of us >want this project to >continue moving forward. > >What has to happen next? What is the most

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On 9/2/16 12:25 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > On 9/2/2016 7:59 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: >> OK, counter-point to the other thread... let's talk specifically about what >> needs to happen next, given that some (plenty|most|all|???) of us want this >> project to >> continue moving forward. >> >>

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Doing some reading, it looks like it may indeed be possible to run OS X on VirtualBox at least under Windows (not sure about Linux). If so, I might be willing to spend some money on an EC2 instance to do Mac builds, especially if it doesn't need to be up 24x7. Question: Does the ASF have any

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On 9/2/2016 10:18 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: -Original Message- From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 09:26 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve? On 9/2/2016 7:59 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote

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I understand your problem. Until now, I have only owned one Apple desktop, the Apple II I bought in 1980. I took a dislike to Macs the first time I tried one. On 9/2/2016 10:32 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: No doubt. My problem on this is that I hate Apple, Macintosh, and everything to do with

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No doubt. My problem on this is that I hate Apple, Macintosh, and everything to do with their proprietary, closed-source, walled-garden ecosystem. I could possibly pinch my nose shut and buy a cheap Mac to help with AOO development, but there's a limit to how much I'd be willing to spend. Phil

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On 9/2/2016 10:21 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: Looking at it the other way round, for under $500 I could have a Mac Mini with 500 GB hard disk and Mac OS Yosemite delivered on Sunday. That is less than 10 months of

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > Looking at it the other way round, for under $500 I could have a Mac Mini > with 500 GB hard disk and Mac OS Yosemite delivered on Sunday. That is less > than 10 months of macincloud. Is such a machine sufficiently

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Looking at it the other way round, for under $500 I could have a Mac Mini with 500 GB hard disk and Mac OS Yosemite delivered on Sunday. That is less than 10 months of macincloud. On 9/2/2016 10:11 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: That's unfortunate. And Apple doesn't allow running OSX under a VM

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> -Original Message- > From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] > Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 09:26 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve? > > On 9/2/2016 7:59 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > > OK,

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On 9/2/2016 10:09 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: I looked at some of those services a few weeks ago. For the ones I found, the relatively inexpensive options did not have the capability of building software, let alone the capacity for build a substantial body of software. The options with the

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That's unfortunate. And Apple doesn't allow running OSX under a VM on another OS do they? Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > I looked at some of those services a few weeks ago. For the ones I >

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I looked at some of those services a few weeks ago. For the ones I found, the relatively inexpensive options did not have the capability of building software, let alone the capacity for build a substantial body of software. The options with the capability and capacity would cost more than a Mac

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Sadly, I don't own a Mac. I use one at work, but all of my personal hardware is PC based, running Linux. I wonder if it would work to use something like this: http://www.macincloud.com/ Anybody have any experience with something like that? Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA

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Hello; At this time I am unsure what the Board wants from the project. They probably want to see more activity and may recur to artificial numbers like number of commits, number of active developers, or releases. I very much doubt actions from the Board will solve anything, it's the PMC and

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Really? Substantial work is done on list to improve the build process for Windows and you don't think about mentioning that? Someone who has a Mac and time could help with that build! Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2016, at 9:05 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton

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On 9/2/2016 7:59 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: OK, counter-point to the other thread... let's talk specifically about what needs to happen next, given that some (plenty|most|all|???) of us want this project to continue moving forward. What has to happen next? What is the most important

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On 02/09/2016 14:59, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > What is the most important thing/things we could be working on? On your own hardware: Repeat: Build a Mac OS X Binary; Fix the error messages you get; Write notes about what you did; Test the program functionality; Until it builds

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We all have these questions, Phil. What we are awaiting is someone to provide an actionable answer. There is nothing to do about the FUD (as is already remarked elsewhere on the What would ... thread). That's a waste of energy. What we need is energy put into having an AOO that serves its