Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-11 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, August 11, 2017 08:13:07 SC via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 22:17:42 UTC, Jonathan M Davis > > Regardless, we're here because we want a quality language, not > > because we want a popular one. We just hope that those two > > things aren't mutually exclusive. >

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-11 Thread 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 11 August 2017 at 03:16:17 UTC, Dmitry wrote: On Thursday, 10 August 2017 at 19:44:35 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Thursday, 10 August 2017 at 05:55:59 UTC, Dmitry wrote: On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 20:29:07 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: You edit the json file of course. That how DUB

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-11 Thread Ali via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 11 August 2017 at 12:11:13 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote: E.g. DlangIDE is written in D, uses cross-platform GUI library DlangUI which is written in D, and is cross-platform. May work even as console app. First, you are to be saluted (luimarco style*) for your effor on DlangIDE and

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-11 Thread Vadim Lopatin via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 11 August 2017 at 11:34:44 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 07:59:46 UTC, Ryion wrote: this here because its obvious pattern. I agree that this seems to be a very small community and it is hard to get things done in a small community. But it is counter

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-11 Thread rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d
On 11/08/2017 12:46 PM, HyperParrow wrote: On Friday, 11 August 2017 at 08:13:07 UTC, SC wrote: [...] having great tooling might increase popularity, but for me it'll improve my productivity, and that's all i care about, popularity is next, quality is already nice for me The language itself

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-11 Thread HyperParrow via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 11 August 2017 at 08:13:07 UTC, SC wrote: [...] having great tooling might increase popularity, but for me it'll improve my productivity, and that's all i care about, popularity is next, quality is already nice for me The language itself should improve your productivity: meta

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-11 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 07:59:46 UTC, Ryion wrote: this here because its obvious pattern. I agree that this seems to be a very small community and it is hard to get things done in a small community. But it is counter productive to constantly tell people that there is no solution, they

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-11 Thread SC via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 22:17:42 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Wednesday, August 09, 2017 17:13:37 Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d wrote: It is also a common pattern for the complainers to point out how not fixing their pet peeve will result in negative PR or reduced popularity. As if

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-10 Thread Dmitry via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 10 August 2017 at 19:44:35 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Thursday, 10 August 2017 at 05:55:59 UTC, Dmitry wrote: On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 20:29:07 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: You edit the json file of course. That how DUB generates solution files for visual D and other IDE's.

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-10 Thread 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 10 August 2017 at 05:55:59 UTC, Dmitry wrote: On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 20:29:07 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: You edit the json file of course. That how DUB generates solution files for visual D and other IDE's. This breaks changes that was done in the VS project. What changes

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-10 Thread Dmitry via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 20:29:07 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: You edit the json file of course. That how DUB generates solution files for visual D and other IDE's. This breaks changes that was done in the VS project.

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-09 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, August 09, 2017 17:13:37 Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d wrote: > It is also a common pattern for the complainers to point out how not > fixing their pet peeve will result in negative PR or reduced popularity. > As if everyone here was somehow more deeply invested in D's popularity >

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-09 Thread 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 16:02:16 UTC, Dmitry wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 13:54:43 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 07:04:34 UTC, Dmitry wrote: Visual D also has some problems that sensitive for newbies. For example, no DUB support. What are you talking about?

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-09 Thread Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d
On 09.08.2017 09:59, Ryion wrote: Specific people here keep responding how the complainer needs to do it themselves or pay for it. This is usually after the complainer tells others to do it for him/her, sometimes using strong language. The current thread is particularly peculiar, as it

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-09 Thread Moritz Maxeiner via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 08:22:05 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote: You can write it yourself :P, or pay someone to do it for you. On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Ryion via Digitalmars-d < digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote: On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 07:59:46 UTC, Ryion wrote: And that

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-09 Thread Moritz Maxeiner via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 07:59:46 UTC, Ryion wrote: Maybe i made myself not very clear. Sorry about that. I mention this as reading topics here shows the same behavior. People complain. Specific people here keep responding how the complainer needs to do it themselves or pay for it.

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-09 Thread Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d
You can write it yourself :P, or pay someone to do it for you. On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Ryion via Digitalmars-d < digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 07:59:46 UTC, Ryion wrote: > >> And that person pushing has much more effect :) >> > > And a actual forum

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-09 Thread Ryion via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 07:59:46 UTC, Ryion wrote: And that person pushing has much more effect :) And a actual forum with a edit button may also be useful. Instead of this mail system.

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-09 Thread Ryion via Digitalmars-d
Maybe i made myself not very clear. Sorry about that. I mention this as reading topics here shows the same behavior. People complain. Specific people here keep responding how the complainer needs to do it themselves or pay for it. Tracing the people that "complained" there post history, shows

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-08 Thread Moritz Maxeiner via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 at 15:40:08 UTC, Ryion wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 19:15:59 UTC, bachmeier wrote: Your claim to have limited D skills doesn't prevent you from writing a blog post detailing the things that are missing for Windows development and showing how other languages deal

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-08 Thread Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 at 15:40:08 UTC, Ryion wrote: I applaud the people who contribute but reading posts here that pushing people ( on a lot of topics ) to contribute does not exactly motivate. It shows a rather desperation that we do not see in other languages forums. porting /

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-08 Thread Ryion via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 19:15:59 UTC, bachmeier wrote: Your claim to have limited D skills doesn't prevent you from writing a blog post detailing the things that are missing for Windows development and showing how other languages deal with them. A lot of work with tooling doesn't require D

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread bachmeier via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 16:10:05 UTC, Dmitry wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 14:05:31 UTC, bachmeier wrote: Then Windows users need to start contributing. Good or bad, this is not a company deciding how to allocate developer time, it is a volunteer organization. I see a lot of posts of

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 15:43:46 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 15:32:07 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 14:16:20 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner wrote: [...] According to Google on their Android Developers Backstage podcast, the majority of Android

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Dmitry via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 14:30:48 UTC, Ryion wrote: On my work half the developers are on Mac, the other half are on Windows. There is not a single Linux system. From the windows developers 2 use "bash" on Windows regularly. Moreover, Macs' popularity may differ a lot in different

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
And a splendid job Francis is doing. I should be contributing more, but till October, little chance of that. The project could do with more people working on it. You'll get practice using Kotlin, which is the native code language that will be competing with Go and Rust next year! All

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Dmitry via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 14:05:31 UTC, bachmeier wrote: Then Windows users need to start contributing. Good or bad, this is not a company deciding how to allocate developer time, it is a volunteer organization. I see a lot of posts of the form "this isn't what group X expects". The response

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Dmitry via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 13:54:43 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 07:04:34 UTC, Dmitry wrote: Visual D also has some problems that sensitive for newbies. For example, no DUB support. What are you talking about? dub generates solution files for visual d. Of course

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Moritz Maxeiner via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 15:32:07 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 14:16:20 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 12:14:16 UTC, Dmitry wrote: [...] A developer who mostly targets Windows wouldn't. But if you look at the statistics [1] you'd see that

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 14:16:20 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 12:14:16 UTC, Dmitry wrote: [...] A developer who mostly targets Windows wouldn't. But if you look at the statistics [1] you'd see that in the category of systems accessing the web mobile systems

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Moritz Maxeiner via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 15:18:49 UTC, Ryion wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 14:49:47 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner wrote: 1) Anecdotes are not useful here 2) macOS is UNIX, same as Linux, so I'm not sure why the distinction matters as a reply to me Same two points as above. Thanks for the

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Ryion via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 14:49:47 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner wrote: 1) Anecdotes are not useful here 2) macOS is UNIX, same as Linux, so I'm not sure why the distinction matters as a reply to me Same two points as above. Thanks for the interesting reply. /S

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Moritz Maxeiner via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 14:30:48 UTC, Ryion wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 14:16:20 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner wrote: [...] How sure are you even with statistics... On my work half the developers are on Mac, the other half are on Windows. There is not a single Linux system. From the

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Ryion via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 14:16:20 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner wrote: A developer who mostly targets Windows wouldn't. But if you look at the statistics [1] you'd see that in the category of systems accessing the web mobile systems (and we are excluding servers here, who are virtually all UNIX

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Moritz Maxeiner via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 12:14:16 UTC, Dmitry wrote: I don't think so. Why developer should use MacOS/Linux if the target platform is Windows in most of cases? A developer who mostly targets Windows wouldn't. But if you look at the statistics [1] you'd see that in the category of systems

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread bachmeier via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 12:14:16 UTC, Dmitry wrote: In any case, the result is same: the biggest platform supported worse than others. Then Windows users need to start contributing. Good or bad, this is not a company deciding how to allocate developer time, it is a volunteer

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 07:04:34 UTC, Dmitry wrote: Visual D also has some problems that sensitive for newbies. For example, no DUB support. What are you talking about? dub generates solution files for visual d. Of course visual d has DUB support, you just have to generate the solution

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Dmitry via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 10:24:42 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: I am sure Microsoft would declare that figure accurate for computers in general. I suspect though that it is totally It's not Microsoft's statistic. StatCounter, Net Market Share, etc. inaccurate for software developers, in that

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Sun, 2017-08-06 at 07:04 +, Dmitry via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > About 90% of computers uses Windows, but D on Linux supported  > better (for example, VS Code and Mono-D has debugging support). I am sure Microsoft would declare that figure accurate for computers in general. I suspect

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Dmitry via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 5 August 2017 at 16:22:18 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: As far as I can tell there are no good D development environments in the way there are C++, Go, Rust ones. I have no idea about Visual D since that involves Visual Studio which I think involves Windows and possibly money – though

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-06 Thread Francis Nixon via Digitalmars-d
I'm one of the people currently working on the D intellij plugin(same username on github). We have a fairly comprehensive CONTRIBUTING.md here: https://github.com/intellij-dlanguage/intellij-dlanguage/blob/develop/CONTRIBUTING.md Currently one of the problems I'm having is that D is really

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-05 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 13:16 +, Dmitry via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > I'm an one who needed a good IDE (+debugger) support. But  > unfortunately I'm not found a good one for D. > I have small skills in D, so my abilities is very limited  > (translate something to another language, etc). And

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-05 Thread Dmitry via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 5 August 2017 at 11:26:57 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: If more people in the D community had the attitude "I can help with that" rather than "I wish they would so something", D tooling based on mainstream infrastructure would be a lot better than it currently is. Don't wait from a

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-05 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 10:19 +0200, Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d wrote: > I would not say so: > https://github.com/intellij-dlanguage/intellij-dlanguage/issues/211 > Just because Kingsley has moved on doesn't mean the project is dead. In fact far from it. Except that currently is is spare time

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-05 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Fri, 2017-08-04 at 19:42 +, Ali via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > They dont have plans for a standalone rust ide, like clion for c++ Remember CLion is first and foremost a CMake based IDE that happens to have excellent support for C and C++ files. Also Rust, and a whole load of other

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-05 Thread Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d
I would not say so: https://github.com/intellij-dlanguage/intellij-dlanguage/issues/211 On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Ali via Digitalmars-d < digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote: > On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 18:15:47 UTC, SCev wrote: > >> Just today, jetbrains announced their official support

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-04 Thread SCev via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 19:42:43 UTC, Ali wrote: On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 19:27:13 UTC, SCev wrote: [...] Well, according to the blog entry, the Rust plugin was a side project for an intern While this is official support, it seems they are not really adding a lot more manpower

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-04 Thread Ali via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 19:27:13 UTC, SCev wrote: yes, but would be cool to have official support from jetbrains, they know their ide/plugin API better than anyone else, so it'd speed up / improve dev of the plugin by a lot! Don't stay silent, post comment on their page :D Well,

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-04 Thread SCev via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 18:36:56 UTC, Ali wrote: On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 18:15:47 UTC, SCev wrote: Just today, jetbrains announced their official support for the rust plugin I'm sure they'll do something for D if we ask them, don't stay silent!! show them you want something Leave a

Re: Jetbrains announce support for rust plugin, show them we want one too!

2017-08-04 Thread Ali via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 18:15:47 UTC, SCev wrote: Just today, jetbrains announced their official support for the rust plugin I'm sure they'll do something for D if we ask them, don't stay silent!! show them you want something Leave a comment in their blog for a D support! too! We can