[discuss] Weird bug in 2.01rc1

2006-02-18 Thread Randomthots
Group, Can anyone confirm this behavior before I file a bug report? New Calc document. Enter a number in A1. Enter a number in B1. Enter a formula in C1 (say, =A1+B1). Now the cursors keys will only navigate you between A1,B1,C1, and B2. Or this: New document. Enter a value in A1. Now

[discuss] Re: Email

2006-02-07 Thread Randomthots
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mar 7 février 2006 10:10, C Cichocki a écrit : Correct me if I am wrong but I have not yet found and open source E-mail client that offer anywhere near the same level of functionality. Then you should understand why creating yet another incomplete MUA is more

[discuss] Re: very disappointed to see easter-egg in a free-software

2006-02-06 Thread Randomthots
Emmanuel Mortier wrote: Dear Sir, During our last meeting of the Liege Linux Team (LiLiT), a member shows me the game starwar available on the openoffice calc. It's a pity to fall down on the same problem as commercial softwares. One of the argument for the open source software is, this

[discuss] Wordperfect's latest offering

2006-02-05 Thread Randomthots
Interesting article on the latest release of Corel's WP suite. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/04/AR2006020400168.html (Free, but registration is required to view) Highlights: It mentions OpenOffice.org in the 2nd paragraph, implicitly placing OOo solidly in the

[discuss] Re: 2.0/2.01 instability

2006-01-20 Thread Randomthots
Mathias Bauer wrote: Yes, it is the official build provided by Sun. And I have been letting it send the crash reports automatically when it comes back up (after document recovery) and providing my email address. I've found three crash reports from you that are dated to 2006. One (01-02-2006)

[discuss] Re: SO 5.2 Images Pixels

2006-01-18 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Kasak wrote: Randomthots wrote: I guess the main point here would be that it's a bit of a stretch to say that Evolution is actually available for the Win32 platform. It's a lot closer and that's certainly a welcome development, but it would be a mistake to point posters looking

[discuss] Re: SO 5.2 Images Pixels

2006-01-17 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Kasak wrote: As someone else posted recently, there are win32 builds of evolution available now. Unfortunately, there's no installer. I'm not exactly sure how to run this. -- Rod - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

[discuss] Re: SO 5.2 Images Pixels

2006-01-17 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Kasak wrote: Randomthots wrote: Daniel Kasak wrote: As someone else posted recently, there are win32 builds of evolution available now. Unfortunately, there's no installer. I'm not exactly sure how to run this. There are instructions in the distribution. Basically, you

[discuss] Re: SO 5.2 Images Pixels

2006-01-17 Thread Randomthots
Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randomthots Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:03 PM To: discuss@openoffice.org Subject: [discuss] Re: SO 5.2 Images Pixels Daniel Kasak wrote: As someone else posted recently, there are win32 builds of evolution available now

[discuss] Re: 2.0/2.01 instability

2006-01-16 Thread Randomthots
Mathias Bauer wrote: Randomthots wrote: As near as I can tell, the problem seems to be that the program *appears* ready to accept user input (keyboard mouse actions) when it really isn't. If I try to do things too quickly, perhaps similar to the swift actions in Writer Mail merge that you

[discuss] Re: 2.0/2.01 instability

2006-01-14 Thread Randomthots
Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Rod, Randomthots wrote: Is it just my installation or are other people experiencing the same thing? It seems to me that 2.0 and 2.01 are the most unstable versions of OOo I've ever used. It's a lot worse than the last few rounds of betas. I haven't even been using

[discuss] Re: Shift+F3

2005-12-24 Thread Randomthots
Andrew Brown wrote: Ian Laurenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: It doesn't *sound* like a terribly complicated macro to write, but I didn't find anything like it on OOMacros, OOExtras, or Ian's site. It's in my sig, and has been for years. I don't know why it isn't

[discuss] Re: Shift+F3

2005-12-23 Thread Randomthots
Ian Laurenson wrote: On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 20:29 -0600, Randomthots wrote: [snip] It doesn't *sound* like a terribly complicated macro to write, but I didn't find anything like it on OOMacros, OOExtras, or Ian's site. But it does come with OOo2.0.x as demonstrations: Try: Tools Macros

[discuss] Re: Shift+F3

2005-12-22 Thread Randomthots
Alexandro Colorado wrote: OpenOffice.org has a keystroke editor, which is something of the details MS Office lacks. You can look at it by going to tools Configure Keyboard. Unfortunately it would take a bit more than that. First of all, Writer lacks a Title Case command (It also

[discuss] Re: Norwegian article on school software licensing

2005-12-18 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Carrera wrote: Chad Smith wrote: 2a) MS Office can run on a Mac You miss the point. You have to pay for the software regardless of whether you have it on your computer or not. You have to pay for machines that have *no* MS software on them. This has a huge lock-in effect. Only

[discuss] Just Curious

2005-12-14 Thread Randomthots
I've noticed posts by users of non-English versions of Calc asking questions about formulas. In the posts the formulas use the native language for the functions. How does this work if someone creates a spreadsheet in French, for example, and then someone else opens it in English or German? Is

[discuss] Re: CosmoPOD.com

2005-12-12 Thread Randomthots
Henrik Sundberg wrote: Sorry, I looked at the complete usage and didn't separate the causes.. The password restriction is in cosmopod as I understand it. Do they want it to be easy for the government to enter their users accounts? The maximum allowed length of the password is more relevant.

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-12 Thread Randomthots
Mathias Bauer wrote: You are not alone, many people wonder and the developers already started trying to solve this problem. There are a lot of known problems as well as some ways to fix them but this is something that needs to be investigated carefully. Expect to see something happen in future

[discuss] Re: Reason's Why Part-4 (of 4)

2005-12-12 Thread Randomthots
Roger Markus wrote: Say - Chuck - have you ever criticized you pal Chad for his off-topic pro-Microsoft rants? I don't think Chuck's been on the list long enough to start criticizing other people -- and neither have you! That's where this got off-topic in the first place! Not half as

[discuss] Re: Still looking for good reasons for open source

2005-12-11 Thread Randomthots
Andrew Brown wrote: Well, you're both right. I mean that eyeballs finding bugs does not translate to eyeballs capable of fixing them. There may be some comment by Eric Raymond about this over on my blog. I can't remember. In any case, his argument was -- I think -- that users don't have

[discuss] Re: Official request for rectification of Mr. Andrew Brown's article

2005-12-10 Thread Randomthots
Gianluca Turconi wrote: What I have read in Mr. Brown's article is an attempt to demolish open source assumptions (as he wrote) with other personal assumptions. What I read in Mr. Brown's article was a recognition that the open-source development model championed by Eric S. Raymonds in

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-09 Thread Randomthots
Ian Lynch wrote: On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 09:38 +0100, Henrik Sundberg wrote: This was the statement: If a vendor failed to adhere to that, then the vendor was shut down, and all assets went to Microsoft. And this was the question related to it: Care to give any evidence at all that this

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-08 Thread Randomthots
Mathias Bauer wrote: So possibly the size of the Calc document created from the file (the memory consumption of Calc itself) caused the swapping you experienced but not the xml content itself that (as outlined above) never is read into memory as a whole. This is what Daniel tried to point out:

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-06 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Carrera wrote: Cyrille Moureaux wrote: Even if, as you say (and as is true), the tag name doesn't have any bearing on the size of the document representation in memory (because the actual tag string is only used in conjunction with the file I/O), each character of the tag has to be

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-06 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Carrera wrote: John W. Kennedy wrote: 12/05/2005 10:49 PM69,999,781 test1.xml 12/05/2005 10:53 PM26,167,179 test1.zip 12/05/2005 11:05 PM 167,999,781 test2.xml 12/05/2005 11:09 PM28,641,918 test2.zip Clearly, the size of the tagname is fairly

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-06 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Carrera wrote: In other words, since you can't accept that you were wrong, you are changing the question. Merely clarifying it, since you didn't seem to comprehend the point. Very much like a table structure in html. I was sort of surprised that there wasn't any indication of

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-06 Thread Randomthots
Roger Markus wrote: On 12/6/05, Sven Aerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How's the law suits against MS and the illegal sending of HD info ? In what countries in Asia governments are forbidding to use MS in governmental application? How fast in Linux evolving? Do you know how to use Google?

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-05 Thread Randomthots
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Randomthots wrote: Remember, this was a big file. 63,260 rows by 7 columns. That's 442,820 instances of the 80 bytes of taggage surrounding each cell (35 MB, total) plus the tags at the start of each row (times 63,260) plus all the header information. Apparently

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-05 Thread Randomthots
Ian Lynch wrote: No, you are persevering on an untenable argument because you lack the technical knowledge to back it up. The people with the technical knowledge know you are mistaken but do not necessarily know the exact reason for your performance problem but they do know its not the thing

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-05 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Carrera wrote: Randomthots wrote: I repeat, I am *not* making any ing assertion! I asked a question; a not unreasonable question. If the size of the file is 11 times bigger doesn't it make some sense that that would take longer to wade through? You see, you just made

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-05 Thread Randomthots
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Randomthots wrote: Instead you would rather go on and on and on, post after post, telling me how silly and stupid I am. I'm not sure I like you very much anymore. Aren't you a bit old to go sulking ? Daniel is a fine chap and you don't deserve half the explanations

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-04 Thread Randomthots
Roger Markus wrote: Same here. There's the moral issue as well of not supporting the illegal organization Microsoft that is damaging to the computer industry as a whole. Buying their products only strengthens the monster. If they were an honest company it would be a different story, but

[discuss] Re: Line spacing

2005-12-04 Thread Randomthots
Sam Hiser wrote: On Sunday, December 4, 2005, at 04:50 PM, Dave Close wrote: I opened an OOo ODT document generated on Windows using OOo on Linux. The original document used Times Roman font and appeared to have lines spaced at approximately the standard six per vertical inch. On Linux, OOo

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-04 Thread Randomthots
Roger Markus wrote: So - Rod - you're a politician then! Cool moves my friend! ROTFL :) Salesman, actually. I've sold cars and ran a Radio Shack store for a while. 1) Compliment your opponent (Interesting) and make them feel at ease by saying that you agree with them (I agree with

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-02 Thread Randomthots
Alexandro Colorado wrote: Again people confusing email with calendar functionality, and actually by calendar they mean backend support for a fat client distributed calendaring system. I'm not. I was sort of surprised when I read Chad's quote, ...lack of a powerful e-mail application

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-02 Thread Randomthots
Ian Lynch wrote: Linux, OOo, etc. is supposed to be good enough It is for many people, it certainly is for me and a growing number of others. I'm going to Spain for the second time in a couple of months because they seem to think its good enough for them. It'll never be good enough for

[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-01 Thread Randomthots
Chad Smith wrote: Article entitled E-mail 'crucial' to future of desktop Linux http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9590_22-5978465.html?tag=nl.e589 E-mail will be the most significant factor governing the uptake of Linux on the desktop, according to a new study. The Desktop Linux Client Survey

[discuss] Re: Online only apps

2005-11-26 Thread Randomthots
Chad Smith wrote: I'm not saying that Linux can't run games, like there is something within Linux itself the prohibits the high-end performance that Windows can deliver. I know that's not the case. Actually, that may be the case. I recall a thread in this forum many months ago -- another

[discuss] Re: Article: OpenDocument vs MS XML

2005-11-26 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Carrera wrote: I haven't yet seen any examples of the new Excel format. But verbosity isn't really an issue. snip The number of characters has no effect on speed. There is no reason why w:r is faster to parse than text:span text:style-name=T1. I'm sorry, Daniel, but I find that

[discuss] Re: Think free gets ahead of Sun and Google with OOo!

2005-11-26 Thread Randomthots
Christian Einfeldtextra wrote: I have a question to this list: Do we like ThinkFree? or are they schmucks like Luxrsty (I deliberately misspelled their name to make them not searchable) Negative: AFAICT, there is no mention of OpenOffice.org on their website. In fact, the only hint that

[discuss] Re: file converters

2005-11-26 Thread Randomthots
Richard Rowe wrote: biologist write scientific papers and reports, often need to access material in older file formats. I think that providing a range of text file converters would be a big plus for Open Office Writer. MS tends to abandon Word formats on about a 5 year cycle, and loading

[discuss] Re: Article: OpenDocument vs MS XML

2005-11-26 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Carrera wrote: Randomthots wrote: The number of characters has no effect on speed. There is no reason why w:r is faster to parse than text:span text:style-name=T1. I'm sorry, Daniel, but I find that hard to believe. I have a file that is strictly text, numbers, and dates. Seven

[discuss] Re: Article: OpenDocument vs MS XML

2005-11-25 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Carrera wrote: Hi all, Excellent article at Groklaw: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20051125144611543 It's a technical comparison between OpenDocument and Microsoft's XML format. It's intended to be suitable for a semi-technical audience (ie. people who know a bit of HTML)

[discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-20 Thread Randomthots
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: If you call carpet-bombing effective, it is. Retail paper flyers are the true spam ancestors. It's cost effective is what I mean. But, you don't have to believe me. From the April 2005 issue of Scientific American --

[discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-20 Thread Randomthots
Chad Smith wrote: Rod, I agree with you more often than I do with most people on this list, but I'd have to say I don't on this one. I don't like this idea, if for no other reason, I don't want to pay for email. I'm already paying $50 a month for high-speed Internet, there's no way I'm

[discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-20 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Carrera wrote: Randomthots wrote: Would you be willing to spend $0.01 per email? My idea behind the fee-bate was two-fold: make spam a lot more expensive to send out and reimburse recipients and ISPs for the A simpler way to achieve the same result without actually spending money

[discuss] Re: Online only apps

2005-11-19 Thread Randomthots
mark wrote: Heh. The daughter of a friend of mine, when she was, mmm, 15 or so, would be surfing, and I'd see her reboot her '98 box two, three, four times a night. mark I had the same thing happen to me. It was a bad memory chip. '95 was crashy, ME was too, but much less so. I

[discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-17 Thread Randomthots
Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 22:31 -0500, mark wrote: Then, of course, there's the LARGE number of us who DESPISE HTML mail (aka virus-spreader email), and who REALLY DO NOT WANT to HAVE to open a goddamned dog-slow word processor to read our email. (We won't even *begin* to

[discuss] Roadmap for 3.0

2005-11-17 Thread Randomthots
We have all these debates on this forum about what we individually think *should* be the future direction of OOo. This got me curious to see what might actually *be* the future direction. So I poked around on the website for a while, but I just can't get a clear sense of it. Does anybody

[discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-14 Thread Randomthots
Jonathon Blake wrote: Rod wrote: Without an email/pim component many will do just that. It's called MSO. Is that what you really want? Just what functionality does MSO + Outlook offer, that can not be replicated by using OOo + FireFox + ThunderBird + SunBird + the appropriate templates?

[discuss] Re: Microsoft eyes making desktop apps free

2005-11-14 Thread Randomthots
Shawn K. Quinn wrote: Free of charge (price) is not the same thing as free as a bird or free speech (freedom). Understand that for the vast majority (including me) the difference is almost moot. The fact that I couldn't hack the code if my life depended on it renders open-source the

[discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-14 Thread Randomthots
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Randomthots wrote: Now consider that ODF is a much richer format than HTML. And being similar to HTML, there is no technical reason (that I see, anyway) that the format couldn't be adapted to eventually replace HTML. HTML is already TOO complex for mail. That's

[discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-14 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Kasak wrote: We are talking about the possibility. The problem is that you don't like the answer that you're getting. I haven't liked your answer, not so much because of the substance, but because of your condescending attitude. No. Look at the post I responded to. The

[discuss] Re: Important news for you about new products

2005-11-13 Thread Randomthots
Henrik Sundberg wrote: SPAM warning. Potency pills or such. Moderators, Please remove these posts. /$ And in plain-text, too. Huh. Imagine that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

[discuss] Review of OOo in Washington Post

2005-11-13 Thread Randomthots
There is a review of OOo by Rob Pegoraro available here: http://letters.washingtonpost.com/WARH0355605717992FF7F3D0EE9420 Since a (free) subscription is required to view it, a few excerpts and my own comments follow: This set of programs (Win 98 or newer or Linux, free at

[discuss] Outlook Integration with MSO

2005-11-13 Thread Randomthots
Group, A question was raised some time ago as to what extent Outlook is integrated with the rest of MSO. At the time it had been so long since I had used it that I had forgotten... well, frankly, how good and capable a program Outlook really is. Since I recently had to re-install Word in

[discuss] Re: Review of OOo in Washington Post

2005-11-13 Thread Randomthots
Ian Lynch wrote: If one app is going to be less good at file compatibility better for it to be Impress than Writer. Agreed. It depends who the audience is. Marketing is a selective communication with specific customers in specific market sectors. While ODF might be of no interest to

[discuss] Re: Review of OOo in Washington Post

2005-11-13 Thread Randomthots
Alexandro Colorado wrote: Most of the things we already know, thats why we want to push the OpenDocument format as an open standard to stop playing catch up. If you want to play catch up forever you will end up devoting most of your developers to be back-engineering forever. Instead we

[discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-13 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Kasak wrote: Stop right there. You admit that the Windows port of Evolution is progressing slowly. Why would that be? Perhaps it's a big task? Perhaps there aren't many developers on it? Perhaps it needs more testing? So. What are we going to do about it? a) Every many and his

[discuss] Re: Revision History

2005-11-12 Thread Randomthots
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: Hmm, does File Versions not fill your requirements? I think it should do the job. This is what I meant about the Help being inaccurate. On OO2, Windows version, I have no Versions menu item under File. I have Changes under the Edit menu. Are these the same

[discuss] Re: Revision History

2005-11-12 Thread Randomthots
Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: Randomthots wrote: G. Roderick Singleton wrote: Hmm, does File Versions not fill your requirements? I think it should do the job. This is what I meant about the Help being inaccurate. On OO2, Windows version, I have no Versions menu item under File. I

[discuss] Re: Revision History

2005-11-12 Thread Randomthots
Caleb Marcus wrote: Just a random suggestion, try using DOC less and use RTF. It is understood by almost all office software (including Office) and can't carry a virus. Unfortunately, I'm running into one of those situations that mark is having. They CAN accept papers/homework in other

[discuss] Re: Battle Over Future of Open Document

2005-11-11 Thread Randomthots
mark wrote: snip Actually, let me go on with something more relevant: does *anyone* know just what they're doing, or looking for, that lets them reject a perfectly good OO.o file saved as .doc? Well, since I just had to re-install Word2000, I ran a small test... In both Word and OOo I

[discuss] Re: Battle Over Future of Open Document

2005-11-11 Thread Randomthots
Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:02:35 -, Randomthots [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The files ARE different. The one produced by Word is 19 kB and the one produced by OOo is only 9 kB. Opening them both in Notepad they are obviously different, but it's all gibberish so I

[discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-11 Thread Randomthots
mark wrote: The most prevalent means of spreading viruses is through binary attachments to plain-text e-mail messages. Precisely the manner of transmitting complex documents most loudly advocated for by those opposing html-mail. This, in fact, ain't so. I get, oh, a hundred or hundred and

[discuss] Re: Battle Over Future of Open Document

2005-11-11 Thread Randomthots
Alexandro Colorado wrote: try hexdump in Bash Honestly, I'm not really that interested. Nor would I know what to do with the information. It is sufficient to know that there ARE differences and that those differences may well be the cause of mark's problems. -- Rod

[discuss] Re: OpenOffice 3.0

2005-11-11 Thread Randomthots
KamiHír wrote: And did you try my gallery? http://hu.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=377expandFolder=377folderID=375 The current version is 1.22 How do you use these things? -- Rod - To

[discuss] Re: Battle Over Future of Open Document

2005-11-11 Thread Randomthots
mark wrote: Randomthots wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote: try hexdump in Bash Honestly, I'm not really that interested. Nor would I know what to do with the information. It is sufficient to know that there ARE differences and that those differences may well be the cause of mark's

[discuss] Re: OpenOffice 3.0

2005-11-11 Thread Randomthots
KamiHír wrote: How do you use these things? How to install my OpenOffice.org Gallery snip Thanks!! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[discuss] Re: Revision History

2005-11-11 Thread Randomthots
Rigel wrote: One thing I noticed missing recently is a revision history for OpenOffice documents. This may seem kind of ridiculous, but sometimes people work for a long time on some documents, and they may at some point think. ' OMG! I wish I had that back! *sigh* '... Perhaps a Revision

[discuss] Re: Gates memo warns of 'disruptive' changes

2005-11-10 Thread Randomthots
Andrew Brown wrote: Agreed. But the idea of having my data on a secure bit of the cloud, and saving to and from the internet, has much more appeal. There was a reference in Jonathan Schwartz's blog the other day -- an dhe is a man who has some influence on the devleopment of the program.

[discuss] Re: OpenOffice 3.0

2005-11-10 Thread Randomthots
Derek Meyer wrote: On the release of OpenOffice 2.0, OOo has come up to (and surpassed) Microsoft Office standards for the working professional. If you want to increase the user base significantly, there are two things that I believe must be done first and foremost: * Implement a

[discuss] Re: Still looking for good reasons for open source

2005-11-10 Thread Randomthots
Andrew Brown wrote: It's not really a query. I'm thinking out loud. Ian Lynch made some good points about OSS applications best understood as a strategic collaboration between behemoths like IBM and SUN. But that's not how Eric Raymond would see it. Bingo! ESR's thesis was based on the

[discuss] Re: Battle Over Future of Open Document

2005-11-10 Thread Randomthots
Chad Smith wrote: This is completely untrue. No matter how many times FLOSSers want to repeat this lie, it's not going to make it true. *YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE ANY MICROSOFT SOFTWARE WHATSOEVER TO OPEN MICROSOFT OFFICE FILES!* You can do it on a Mac (no Windows) with iWork or AppleWorks or

[discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-10 Thread Randomthots
mark wrote: Then, of course, there's the LARGE number of us who DESPISE HTML mail (aka virus-spreader email), While you're certainly free to despise html-mail, I would question the proposition that html-mail is responsible for spreading viruses. Html is a textual format like XML, so unless

[discuss] Re: The .odt file format

2005-11-04 Thread Randomthots
Ian Lynch wrote: That is because it only just came out. There are details on the ODF web site about other software that supports or plans to support it. Also you can write utilities to operate on ODF, for example save your web site pages in ODF. This is extremely easy and ODF members have

[discuss] Re: The .odt file format

2005-11-04 Thread Randomthots
Ian Lynch wrote: Openformula is being worked on at OpenDocument Fellowship as we speak :-) And no doubt MSFormula is being worked on in Redmond ;) I think such things are inevitable developments which is why its important to keep ODF Open. We would not like one browser to be able to do

[discuss] Re: The .odt file format

2005-11-04 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Carrera wrote: Randomthots wrote: This is why I question the philosophy of keeping the wall of separation between office productivity apps and communication tools, like browsers and e-mail clients that some on this list seem so adamant about. It would be stupid for OOo to try

[discuss] Re: The .odt file format

2005-11-04 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Carrera wrote: Randomthots wrote: It would be stupid for OOo to try to do everything. It has to make a decision about what it's trying to be, and stick to that. Sure. But is that decision carved in stone? Regardless of customer demand or desire? BTW, what exactly is the it making

[discuss] Re: blank a page every other page or OOo 2.0 won't put labels on page 2

2005-11-04 Thread Randomthots
Alex Janssen wrote: a long and cogent account of frustration Note to Daniel C.: I would suggest that before we indulge in any more serious discussion (argument ;) ) over added functions, features, etc., and at least concurrent with code optimization efforts, there are quite a list of

[discuss] Re: On HTML mail and paying per byte, was: OOo Writer with Outlook?

2005-11-02 Thread Randomthots
Out of consideration for all the poor slobs living in technologically underdeveloped countries I won't quote Marco's post but merely respond to it. What *I* get annoyed at is the attitude that just because some people in the world pay for Internet by the byte, that it's somehow wrong in

[discuss] Re: On HTML mail and paying per byte, was: OOo Writer with Outlook?

2005-11-02 Thread Randomthots
Marco Fioretti wrote: Randomthots [EMAIL PROTECTED] Out of consideration for all the poor slobs living in technologically underdeveloped countries The poor slobs will be delighted of your kind attitude. In any case, I have explicitly mentioned several ADVANCED, very trendy use cases where

[discuss] Re: Question on list use and issue query

2005-10-14 Thread Randomthots
Shari Lynn wrote: I've been a background watcher for a while and I'm confused where to post what and how to search for open issues. I'm not sure if the issue query just isn't working or I'm doing it wrong. I have accessed the help area and I'm unable to see where I'm doing something wrong. I

[discuss] Re: Google - no thanks

2005-10-14 Thread Randomthots
Bruce Byfield wrote: You're right that being an accessory is usually considered less culpable than actually committing a crime. However, that does not necessarily mean that the accessory is innocent, either. The problem I'm having with this discussion, aside from the fact that it should

[discuss] Re: Outlook

2005-10-09 Thread Randomthots
Lars D. Noodén wrote: For the time being, but that's rapidly changing. Not really. Not via the calendar plug-in. Not if you currently use and like how Outlook works. But like I said, the Lightning project for TB is going after it hard. On the other hand MS Outlook does not offer the same

[discuss] Re: Outlook

2005-10-09 Thread Randomthots
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le dimanche 09 octobre 2005 à 04:24 -0500, Randomthots a écrit : But the rest of the world more or less considers MS to *be* the standard. The rest of the world considers whatever their company chose at the standard, be it Notes, Outlook, Thunderbird or whatever

[discuss] Re: Page # from X and up

2005-10-06 Thread Randomthots
Morgan Ohlson wrote: On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:00:01 + (UTC), Andrew Brown wrote: Morgan Ohlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:8g7t2qqfdnr3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How can I set the first page # of a document to X ? You can only do that to the second page, which means the first has to be a

[discuss] Comment on Grammar Check

2005-09-26 Thread Randomthots
The next time somebody writes in suggesting a Grammar check funtion you might point them to this post. Out of curiousity I took a couple of short passages from posters for whom English was barely a second language and pasted them into Word. Then I set the Spelling and Grammar checker loose on

[discuss] Re: Beyond 2.0

2005-09-21 Thread Randomthots
Robert Derman wrote: Robert Derman replies: I just dug out my old Olivetti manual and it was on the @ cent key just to the right of the :; key, where the ' key is now. the ' apostrophe and quote marks used to be in the top row. ~ is used for some hosted web pages, so unfortunately we

[discuss] Re: Beyond 2.0

2005-09-21 Thread Randomthots
Sweet Coffee wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote: SNIP It is and is not, having an option that sends by email could also have a plug-in that sends by bluetooth. I think you see this on Outlooks plug-ins for syncing your palm. SNIP... Oh!! That would be so very nice. :-) SC

[discuss] Re: Beyond 2.0

2005-09-21 Thread Randomthots
Alexandro Colorado wrote: I don't understand how an office suite is bluetooth enabled - isn't that an operating system thing?). It is and is not, having an option that sends by email could also have a plug-in that sends by bluetooth. I think you see this on Outlooks plug-ins for syncing

[discuss] Re: Beyond 2.0

2005-09-21 Thread Randomthots
Ian Lynch wrote: Your average Dell user will probably not understand how a car might be able to run on something other than gasoline. Would you quit with the Dell nonsense? I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering and am working on a Master's in IT. My Dell has been a good little machine

[discuss] Re: Need to separate content from presentation, data from design.

2005-09-21 Thread Randomthots
Alexandro Colorado wrote: I suggested sometime ago that the master document could import files from other parts of OpenOffice.org such as spreadsheets and presentations. Master documents can import either complete files or sections from that file into a master document. Since OOo is so

[discuss] Re: Beyond 2.0

2005-09-21 Thread Randomthots
Chad Smith wrote: On 9/21/05, Randomthots [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you quit with the Dell nonsense? I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering and am working on a Master's in IT. My Dell has been a good little machine for me. Nobody with a Dell cares about file formats. I do

[discuss] Re: Beyond 2.0

2005-09-20 Thread Randomthots
Chad Smith wrote: This thread (and particularly this email) sounds very familiar. It seems we have had this conversation many times already, and people are refining their arguments each time. It IS familiar. It's bothered me ever since Daniel C. made an argument against including an Outlook

[discuss] Re: Beyond 2.0

2005-09-20 Thread Randomthots
Nicu Buculei wrote: You will often see people defining the office suite as something including *all* the things included in Microsoft Office, probably this is an effect of Microsoft's clever marketing. The point isn't whether or not MSO has a component but WHY MSO has a component.

[discuss] Re: Beyond 2.0

2005-09-19 Thread Randomthots
Ian Lynch wrote: I'd like to see the effort going into fundamentally improving the efficiency of the code so that OOo is as compact and as fast as it can possibly be, encouraging posrts to PDAs as they get cheaper and more powerful hardware. I bet you're an advocate of eliminating

[discuss] SVG Import

2005-09-16 Thread Randomthots
Has anyone managed any success using the SVG import filter plug-in? All I ever get when I try to use it is General I/O error. I had hoped to use it with Open Clip Art stuff. BTW, am I the only one who believes it ironic that the vanguard application for open standards doesn't fully support

[discuss] Re: SVG Import

2005-09-16 Thread Randomthots
Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 03:12:17 +0100, Randomthots [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone managed any success using the SVG import filter plug-in? All I ever get when I try to use it is General I/O error. I had hoped to use it with Open Clip Art stuff. Do you have

[discuss] Re: Empty file upon reopening

2005-08-31 Thread Randomthots
Daniel Carrera wrote: Randomthots wrote: Pray for a miracle? Seriously... didn't you know that reformatting your hard drive permanently and irrevocably erases *everything* on the drive? It's gone, toast, vanished, never to return. Maybe it will be resurrected at the end of time

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