Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
My question also, Bill, and I' m in the same boat, needing it for # 1. it seems odd to me that a great number of the guys in Europe have received their cards, but we have not. I know that Steve - KU9C is an excellent manager, and that we will get our cards eventually, but I kinda wish nothing had been posted about them going out starting in mid JulyI have almost worn out one pair of shoes going to the mailbox every day for the last 2 months, only to find it containing bills instead of BS7H cards. 73, Kent - K4MK - Original Message - From: Bill To: DX-CHAT Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H I am wondering if anyone has heard any update on the BS7H QSL cards. Since this #1 Honor Roll for me I sure like to get mine? This was posted on the BS7H web site on 23 July: Steve, KU9C, has received over 10,000 envelopes so we expect it will take approximately 2 months before EVERY card is answered. Approximately 2 months is here?? Thanks Bill W4WX Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
- Original Message - From: Bill-W2AY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:50 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H Received my cards 2 weeks ago Bill / w2ay Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org hello to all receive via Lotw wait paper qsls 73 Mike Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
BS7H web site says the first cards were mailed on July 23, and that it will take about 2 months for all cards to be mailed. Still waiting here. 73, Tim - N3XX - Original Message - From: nick cominos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H Has anyone received cards yet? vy 73, Nick W9UM The enemy does not understand the dichotomy of our society, but they should understand this; we will bandage our wounds, we will bury our dead; and then we will come for you . . . and we will destroy you and all you stand for. Brian Shul, Air Force SR71 pilot Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
Yep, got mine yesterday, and got confirmations in LOTW on Saturday morning. 73, Mike, W5UC At 05:11 PM 8/28/2007, nick cominos wrote: Has anyone received cards yet? vy 73, Nick W9UM age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H
Still waiting here 73... Bill N2WB P.S. Was last one for meBS7H www.clipperton2008.org - Original Message - From: Tim Heger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H BS7H web site says the first cards were mailed on July 23, and that it will take about 2 months for all cards to be mailed. Still waiting here. 73, Tim - N3XX - Original Message - From: nick cominos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H Has anyone received cards yet? vy 73, Nick W9UM The enemy does not understand the dichotomy of our society, but they should understand this; we will bandage our wounds, we will bury our dead; and then we will come for you . . . and we will destroy you and all you stand for. Brian Shul, Air Force SR71 pilot Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H
Tks to all for the info.looks like some are still on the way. vy 73, Nick W9UM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H
Received my cards 2 weeks ago Bill / w2ay Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
Still waiting here for BS7H, N8S, VU7RG. 73, Zack W9SZ On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, nick cominos wrote: Has anyone received cards yet? vy 73, Nick W9UM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H: The album is full
BS7H card arrived today. My QSL card album is complete. Thanks BS7H team!! Garth, KW4MM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H QSL Update
http://dx-is.com/news/ -- 73 - PaulK4UJ BS7H, FS, KP2, KP4, PJ6, PJ7,VP2E, ZF2UJ == http://www.dx-is.com USA Spiderbeam Distributor http://www.dx-is.org WAP DX Cluster http://www.dx-is.org/cgi-bin/wap.cgi Skype: dx.k4uj == Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H- why the fuss?
Obviously, the upload to LOTW was just a gesture. All qsos will have to be uploaded eventually, remember they received a Colvin award, and that is part of the agreement. They also must agree that ARRL can have the logs and confirm contacts, so if some big controversey were to errupt qsos can be confirmed by ARRL.. I don't think they are doing something soley for donors, they are just doing it sooner for donors. 73, Duane, WV2B The reward of a thing well done is to have done it.- Ralph Waldo Emerson Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H- why the fuss?
At 05:25 AM 6/10/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All qsos will have to be uploaded eventually, Gentlemen, please get your shorts out of a wad and relax. I attended a great presentation by the BS7 crew at Hamcom, and if I understand correctly they said ALL QSO's will be uploaded to LOTW by the end of the calendar year. RELAX!! 73, Mike, W5UC 1957 50 Years 2007 age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H LOTW
At 03:40 PM 6/8/2007, Kenneth Sobel wrote: My two BS7H qsos are in the on-line log but not in LOTW. My LOTW account shows that I entered the qso info but no qsl match. See the DX-News archives - QSOs were uploaded for Donors only. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C/0, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H LOTW
My two BS7H qsos are in the on-line log but not in LOTW. My LOTW account shows that I entered the qso info but no qsl match. Does anyone else have this problem? de Ken W3JJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: At 09:02 PM 5/17/2007, Mark Robinson wrote: How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? Yes, by number in the call. One hopes that the number of out-of-zone callsigns balance each other out. I.e. for every W6 who lives in Zone 5, there is a W1 somewhere who lives in Zone 3. 73 - Jim AD1C I believe it's much more likely that a W1/2 lives in zone 3 than W6/7 in zone 5. The population trend in the US has been flight from the NE to the SW for a number of years now. Barry W2UP -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
Looks like I was off by 5%... I figured 10% of Zone 5 calls weren't actually in Zone 5. Still a pretty good distribution across N.A. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
BS7H QSO statistics have been posted on their website. Very interesting reading. Should make for some good conversation. www.bs7h.com Good DX CU at Dayton Garth, KW4MM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
This throws a lot of whining into sharp perspective. They didn't work the U.S. enough? We're second only to JA. Totally impenetrable JA wall? JA was only 900 hams ahead of the U.S. total. Granted they had 3x the QSO's but who around here had a real shot on, say, 40m. BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal. 21kqso to Asia, 16kqso to EU, 7kqso to NA... sounds like they did a good job working the propagation... Lots of selfish hams stealing away the chance for people to get a QSO from BS7H by working them over and over again? I don't think so. 2.5 times as many people got only one QSO as who managed to get two. 2 times as many people managed to get 2 QSO's as got 3. This includes *all* regions. Whoever got 24... wow. 73, Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
quote BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal end quote How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? A friend of mine who runs a big contest station thought that he would be in and out but spent 16 hours before he worked BS7H and he has stacked mono banders for 20m. There was no JA wall as far as I was concerned just very limited propagation times and too many stations trying to call in the very limited open band times. Mark N1UK G3ZZM - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats This throws a lot of whining into sharp perspective. They didn't work the U.S. enough? We're second only to JA. Totally impenetrable JA wall? JA was only 900 hams ahead of the U.S. total. Granted they had 3x the QSO's but who around here had a real shot on, say, 40m. BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal. 21kqso to Asia, 16kqso to EU, 7kqso to NA... sounds like they did a good job working the propagation... Lots of selfish hams stealing away the chance for people to get a QSO from BS7H by working them over and over again? I don't think so. 2.5 times as many people got only one QSO as who managed to get two. 2 times as many people managed to get 2 QSO's as got 3. This includes *all* regions. Whoever got 24... wow. 73, Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. That might be right, but I don't think it's *too* inaccurate. I think the overall situation is still that the numbers more or less match up here. If you want to do a sample, just type random 1x2 calls into qrz and see if the number matches. I just ran n1aa through n0ad... maybe 10% of 'em were not in their call areas. So stuff 400 more qso's into zone 3, maximum. Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
Mark, I have to agree and am very sure you are correct regarding how they figured the zones. Even so, I think the percentage may be smaller than we think in the grand scheme of things. Not sure we will ever know. In my opinion, propagation was better than many thought it would be actually. I have a 42 foot boom 5L 20M yagi at 75 feet and BS7H was in every morning here in Extreme Eastern Va. Some mornings they were 10 over S9, some mornings they were only S4, but still workable. Unfortunately, there was an overwhelming desire for this DXPedition to significantly work down the need for this entity, when in fact that just wasn't realistic given the amount of time they were there and the physical restrictions that prohibit elaborate antenna systems. 2L yagi some 12 feet off the water from 1/2 way around the world is a pretty good hurdle to overcome So, the reality of this whole DXPedition was that it was undertaken to break the ice of this desolate location politically for possible future operations...and to give some amateurs the opportunity to work the rarest DXCC entity currently on the list. I too, know those with HUGE antenna systems, stacked arrays, and super legal amps who had monumental problems working them. I also know those, even here locally, that worked them on both modes withing 10 minutes. Additionally, one station here in Va Bch actually worked them barefoot with his wide spaced 3 element yagi at 100 feet. Yes! He happened to be RIGHT THERE when they called CQ the first time...but by golly he is in the log! Amazing actually. My point here is..they surely did not help themselves by listening up in excess of 70 Khz...and NOT following their laid out band plans for working NA...or answering stations who called out of turn or even from the WRONG CONTINENTbut that will always be a fact of this hobby for ever more...unfortunately... Finally, if you heard something you did not like...i/e stations insistent on announcing LID...or what ever.Don't fall victim to that trapand we should all work on developing OPERATOR SKILLS!. You will NEVER BEAT a station/operator with a Big Antenna System AND a Talent Package!!! smiling Given the choice, I will take the Talent package (operating skill) over big antenna any day! For those who have both...You are the minority. For those who DO NOT have both Operator Skill and huge antenna systems...you DO have a say so about obtaining 50% of those two...and 50% will give you far better chance at bagging that rare one the next time than NOT having it! For those who were successful with BS7H!! CONGRATS!! for those who did not get in their log. Be ready next time...it won't be any easier! 73 Jose - N4BAA Mark Robinson wrote: quote BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal end quote How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? A friend of mine who runs a big contest station thought that he would be in and out but spent 16 hours before he worked BS7H and he has stacked mono banders for 20m. There was no JA wall as far as I was concerned just very limited propagation times and too many stations trying to call in the very limited open band times. Mark N1UK G3ZZM - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats This throws a lot of whining into sharp perspective. They didn't work the U.S. enough? We're second only to JA. Totally impenetrable JA wall? JA was only 900 hams ahead of the U.S. total. Granted they had 3x the QSO's but who around here had a real shot on, say, 40m. BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal. 21kqso to Asia, 16kqso to EU, 7kqso to NA... sounds like they did a good job working the propagation... Lots of selfish hams stealing away the chance for people to get a QSO from BS7H by working them over and over again? I don't think so. 2.5 times as many people got only one QSO as who managed to get two. 2 times as many people managed to get 2 QSO's as got 3. This includes *all* regions. Whoever got 24... wow. 73, Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
Good point but I figured any zone 4 or 5 operating in zone 3 had a much better chance of working him and any zone 3's in zone 4 or 5 had a much lower chance, so this would skew the figures somewhat and tend to dilute the zone 3 number down. I guess that I am surprised by the figures but maybe the answer is that it was difficult from any place in the USA and only those stations with decent antennas worked him. Those stations are equally placed around the USA. Total unique callsigns worked of 17,884 seems pretty low considering the pileups and a 24 hour operation using 4 stations. Mind you it isn't easy to set up a station on a rock in the blistering heat. So I am certainly not knocking the operation. After all they went there and made it happen Mark N1UK - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. That might be right, but I don't think it's *too* inaccurate. I think the overall situation is still that the numbers more or less match up here. If you want to do a sample, just type random 1x2 calls into qrz and see if the number matches. I just ran n1aa through n0ad... maybe 10% of 'em were not in their call areas. So stuff 400 more qso's into zone 3, maximum. Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
Mark: I ran the stats based on US zones. Yes, not all W7s live in 7 land, but I think as many 6s live in 4 land as 4s live in 6 land. No said the stats I posted were 100% accurate, but they are statistically accurate if not perfect. hey, this is a hobby... Don N1DG, BS7H webmaster At 09:02 PM 5/17/2007, you wrote: quote BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal end quote How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? A friend of mine who runs a big contest station thought that he would be in and out but spent 16 hours before he worked BS7H and he has stacked mono banders for 20m. There was no JA wall as far as I was concerned just very limited propagation times and too many stations trying to call in the very limited open band times. Mark N1UK G3ZZM - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats This throws a lot of whining into sharp perspective. They didn't work the U.S. enough? We're second only to JA. Totally impenetrable JA wall? JA was only 900 hams ahead of the U.S. total. Granted they had 3x the QSO's but who around here had a real shot on, say, 40m. BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal. 21kqso to Asia, 16kqso to EU, 7kqso to NA... sounds like they did a good job working the propagation... Lots of selfish hams stealing away the chance for people to get a QSO from BS7H by working them over and over again? I don't think so. 2.5 times as many people got only one QSO as who managed to get two. 2 times as many people managed to get 2 QSO's as got 3. This includes *all* regions. Whoever got 24... wow. 73, Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Don Greenbaum Aurum Telemedia Co. 27 Pill Hill Lane, Duxbury, MA 02332 phone: 781 934 5534 http://www.aurumtel.comhttp://www.aurumtel.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
Good comments Jose, I have no sour grapes. I didn't figure on working them but had fun trying. I made a couple of operating errors which may have cost me a chance but I learnt in the progress and I did get to work the slim on 30m hi hi Mark N1UK G3ZZM - Original Message - From: N4BAA - Jose Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats Mark, I have to agree and am very sure you are correct regarding how they figured the zones. Even so, I think the percentage may be smaller than we think in the grand scheme of things. Not sure we will ever know. In my opinion, propagation was better than many thought it would be actually. I have a 42 foot boom 5L 20M yagi at 75 feet and BS7H was in every morning here in Extreme Eastern Va. Some mornings they were 10 over S9, some mornings they were only S4, but still workable. Unfortunately, there was an overwhelming desire for this DXPedition to significantly work down the need for this entity, when in fact that just wasn't realistic given the amount of time they were there and the physical restrictions that prohibit elaborate antenna systems. 2L yagi some 12 feet off the water from 1/2 way around the world is a pretty good hurdle to overcome So, the reality of this whole DXPedition was that it was undertaken to break the ice of this desolate location politically for possible future operations...and to give some amateurs the opportunity to work the rarest DXCC entity currently on the list. I too, know those with HUGE antenna systems, stacked arrays, and super legal amps who had monumental problems working them. I also know those, even here locally, that worked them on both modes withing 10 minutes. Additionally, one station here in Va Bch actually worked them barefoot with his wide spaced 3 element yagi at 100 feet. Yes! He happened to be RIGHT THERE when they called CQ the first time...but by golly he is in the log! Amazing actually. My point here is..they surely did not help themselves by listening up in excess of 70 Khz...and NOT following their laid out band plans for working NA...or answering stations who called out of turn or even from the WRONG CONTINENTbut that will always be a fact of this hobby for ever more...unfortunately... Finally, if you heard something you did not like...i/e stations insistent on announcing LID...or what ever.Don't fall victim to that trapand we should all work on developing OPERATOR SKILLS!. You will NEVER BEAT a station/operator with a Big Antenna System AND a Talent Package!!! smiling Given the choice, I will take the Talent package (operating skill) over big antenna any day! For those who have both...You are the minority. For those who DO NOT have both Operator Skill and huge antenna systems...you DO have a say so about obtaining 50% of those two...and 50% will give you far better chance at bagging that rare one the next time than NOT having it! For those who were successful with BS7H!! CONGRATS!! for those who did not get in their log. Be ready next time...it won't be any easier! 73 Jose - N4BAA Mark Robinson wrote: quote BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal end quote How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? A friend of mine who runs a big contest station thought that he would be in and out but spent 16 hours before he worked BS7H and he has stacked mono banders for 20m. There was no JA wall as far as I was concerned just very limited propagation times and too many stations trying to call in the very limited open band times. Mark N1UK G3ZZM - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats This throws a lot of whining into sharp perspective. They didn't work the U.S. enough? We're second only to JA. Totally impenetrable JA wall? JA was only 900 hams ahead of the U.S. total. Granted they had 3x the QSO's but who around here had a real shot on, say, 40m. BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal. 21kqso to Asia, 16kqso to EU, 7kqso to NA... sounds like they did a good job working the propagation... Lots of selfish hams stealing away the chance for people to get a QSO from BS7H by working them over and over again? I don't think so. 2.5 times as many people got only one QSO as who managed to get two. 2 times as many people managed to get 2 QSO's as got 3. This includes *all* regions. Whoever got 24... wow. 73, Dan
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
At 09:02 PM 5/17/2007, Mark Robinson wrote: How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? Yes, by number in the call. One hopes that the number of out-of-zone callsigns balance each other out. I.e. for every W6 who lives in Zone 5, there is a W1 somewhere who lives in Zone 3. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
At 09:02 PM 5/17/2007, Mark Robinson wrote: How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? Maybe in a few weeks (no time now), I'll try to identify the state for each USA callsign that was worked, and see how that changes the stats. Still it's a hobby. The numbers aren't perfect, but they give you a general idea of where things are at. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
- Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats At 09:02 PM 5/17/2007, Mark Robinson wrote: How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? Maybe in a few weeks (no time now), I'll try to identify the state for each USA callsign that was worked, and see how that changes the stats. Still it's a hobby. The numbers aren't perfect, but they give you a general idea of where things are at. 73 - Jim AD1C Yes it would be interesting to see if out of area hams skewed the data much but then the answer may be that there wasn't much of an advantage in operating from the west coast after all. The grass is always greener. Mark N1UK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
I don't remember all the exact details of the DXCC 2000 rewrite. What I do remember was that K5UR, N4MM, K5VUF (now K5NX) and several others were on the committee. I do remember receiving the questionnaire, which I believe was available to all DXers. This was back around 1997 or 1998. Other than that I don't remember. Bernie McClenny, W3UR -- Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius W3WN Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 18:00 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts Well, here's the thing: As I recall (Bernie et al correct me if I'm wrong), there was a lot of discussion about what to do about countries and the very beginning of what became the DXCC 2000 rewrite. And there was a school of thought that strongly suggested starting everyone over on 1 Jan 2000 with a clean slate, and along with that, a refreshed list of countries (we hadn't switched to calling them entities yet... I think) And please, no brickbats, I was NOT a member of that small but vocal group that thought this! But, just for fits and giggles... imagine doing just that. Convince some other group to sponsor a DXCC-like award, for contacts starting 1 Jan 2000 (even though the 21st century actually started 1 Jan 2001, but let's not go into THAT one again either), and for this hypothetical award -- call it DX 21 for the sake of argument -- issue a new list of entities, based on the current DXCC active list (forget the deleteds), but applying current criteria to each and every one of them, plus evaluating other possibile ones that have been eliminated under recent rules changes. Many won't survive. BS7H certainly wouldn't. What about Scotland, Wales, and the rest of the non-England parts of the UK? Desecheo? Navassa? Sable? Ducie? What about the special cases: The Spratley's? Do you keep the UN Hq? If so, what about the Council of Europe HQ? The Vatican? SMOM? ITU Hq? How about the UN Vienna? I could go on, but you get my drift. Either way for many of these, stay or go... at least apply the new DX 21 rules consistently. How will this affect DX chasing? To say nothing of little discussions like this thread... I can understand all too well why no one wanted to undertake the controversy that a change like this would have entailed. But it's interesting to think about! 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:32 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts At 06:59 AM 05/10/2007, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote: Back to the one and only way to remove a current counter from the DXCC list. The only way is if the said entity no longer meets the criteria in which put it on the list to begin with. Rules that are made up afterwards do not affect its status. Remember BS7H was added to the list back in the mid 90s. Then afterwards in an effort to not have any others added to the list like Scarborough Reef the 100 meter high tide rule was added. Believe me you don't want to remove anything off the DXCC list, unless it does not meet the criteria. I don't think there's a solution to this that will please everybody. I'd personally like to see the rules overhauled completely at some point down the road, but how that could be accomplished I really don't know. I'm not in favour of creating new ones by rule changes, nor deleting/removing old ones by fiat either, but the mish-mash that exists now is somewhat bizarre and could use a revamp at some point. I'm definitely not in favour of mollycoddling DXers and DXpeditioners by removing tough- or dangerous-to-activate entities just because they're tough or dangerous to activate. Free will is truly a wonderful concept. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
Well Mome, the point I was trying to make was that any effort to re-do the DXCC list -- something that I do NOT personally advocate, by the way -- over from scratch will create just as much controversy as retaining the current list; and possibly (probably) more. [note: that means that you two guys over in GM, you know who you are, can quit throwing stuff at me, I was speaking hypothetically!] I was also trying to point out (in the part that got clipped out of the reply) that many of the odd and unusual -- and suspect -- entities that exist today could not come into being today under current rules. So at least there will be no more (although had the rules not changed, I could argue for the inclusion of 4U1VIC; actually, I could argue either side of that one, but it's now a moot point anyway)... and especially none created due to phony IARU societies, which covers at least 2 of the entities added since the DXCC 2000 rules went into effect. 'nuff said. But, if you really want to chew on something, consider this: Don Miller W9WNV. He sure did activate a whole bunch of new ones... only quite a few never went on the books officially (or were removed after the fact) due to lack of documentation. Remember, there was only ONE operation that he actually owned up to faking; quite a few were accepted, mainly his earlier endeavors. It was only his later ones, were suspicions of cut corners came up, that were questioned. What if... Don ever did come up with the paperwork to prove that some or all of these removed entities weren't bogus, but were legit and he really did operate from them? How many new ones could be put back on the map? How many HR positions would change? I don't think it will happen... the paperwork, if it ever existed, would be over 30 years old, some possibly 40 or more. But if you think about the ramifications if something ever did turn up... 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mome Z32ZM Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:42 AM To: DX Chat Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts OC Ron, You finaly comme on mine. This is something I been writing allmost 8 months a go, (I think subject like KH8ZM or so). Then everyone go against me, but now repeating mine questions, posible answers etc..NEVERMIND. I think its about the time that DXAC members must seat-down and clear up the DXCC (delete OR add entities) for quite long period, OR the mess will continue?!?!?! CU in the Z7 Z9 pile-up's :) All the best Have nice day! Stay Tuned GL on SIX !!! 73 GLDX!!!de: Mome - Z32ZM http://www.qsl.net/z32zm - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:59 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts Well, here's the thing: Many won't survive. BS7H certainly wouldn't. What about Scotland, Wales, and the rest of the non-England parts of the UK? Desecheo? Navassa? Sable? Ducie? What about the special cases: The Spratley's? Do you keep the UN Hq? If so, what about the Council of Europe HQ? The Vatican? SMOM? ITU Hq? How about the UN Vienna? Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
On Fri, 11 May 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: Well Mome, the point I was trying to make was that any effort to re-do the DXCC list -- something that I do NOT personally advocate, by the way -- over from scratch will create just as much controversy as retaining the current list; and possibly (probably) more. [note: that means that you two guys over in GM, you know who you are, can quit throwing stuff at me, I was speaking hypothetically!] Hey, if someone wants to throw greenstamps, IRC's, or - better yet, expensive radios - at me, I won't turn them down! 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
It makes me wonder if the ARRL would be liable is someone was seriously injured or killed by trying to put this land mass on the air. A place where the only shelter you can put up is an umbrella should be deleted. Maybe there should be a minimum land mass requirement in the dxcc rules? 73 Jay Jay Hainline KA9CFD EN40om Colchester, IL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 05:39 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts Fellow DXers Prior to the latest BS7H op, I had not given the Rocks any attention and had only a vague notion of what is there. But today I read the web sites, saw the photos, and listened to James' super interview while on site. I come away of two minds... one with great appreciation and awe at the accomplishment and second with a deeper understanding of how truly dangerous this op was. Of course, I congratulate all who make this happen and especially to men who were willing genuinely to risk their lives to do the op. Let nothing take away from that. However, I have to ask if this set of rocks is worth the risks? I know mountain climbers die in their efforts and there are many other very dangerous sport activities, but should we as a hobby sanction placing our fellow hams into a place where the slightest bad weather, lightning strike, or just a nasty fall would have been an easy-to-happen disaster. How would we feel as hams if the worst had happened there? How much should we depend on LUCK? I think anyone can go where ever they please, but not with the sanction and official stamp of our great avocation. Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
At 01:39 AM 5/10/2007, you wrote: Oh please Not everyone wants a rubber padded room world, where everything is safe and risk free. If you don't wish to go, then don't, but don't remove the excitement of doing something difficult for the rest of the world, just because YOU think it's the way things should be. Nobody at the ARRL puts a gun to someones head, and forces guys to go. They do it precisely because it's difficult, remote, and yes, potentially dangerous and certainly exciting. John K5MO However, I have to ask if this set of rocks is worth the risks? I know mountain climbers die in their efforts and there are many other very dangerous sport activities, but should we as a hobby sanction placing our fellow hams into a place where the slightest bad weather, lightning strike, or just a nasty fall would have been an easy-to-happen disaster. How would we feel as hams if the worst had happened there? How much should we depend on LUCK? I think anyone can go where ever they please, but not with the sanction and official stamp of our great avocation. Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
HS0ZCW, who sometimes operates as K4VUD said Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? This would set a terrible precedence! We must follow the DXCC rules otherwise we will destroy the very fabric of the integrity of the DXCC program. If we do as Charles suggests for BS7H what will be next? This is a slippery slope. Anyone could then make the same case for many other counters on the DXCC list. I won't give examples but one could easily list many more countries for their own personal reasons. We have gone down this road many times over the years. So there is no need to repeat this thread. There is one and only one way for a DXCC Entity (country) to be removed from the DXCC list. Notice I said removed! I don't think many people realize the next country that does not meet the DXCC criteria will be removed, not deleted, as there will be no more deletes because of the results of DXCC 2000. That's right a removal, which will be as if you never worked it! More on that discussion later. Back to the one and only way to remove a current counter from the DXCC list. The only way is if the said entity no longer meets the criteria in which put it on the list to begin with. Rules that are made up afterwards do not affect its status. Remember BS7H was added to the list back in the mid 90s. Then afterwards in an effort to not have any others added to the list like Scarborough Reef the 100 meter high tide rule was added. Believe me you don't want to remove anything off the DXCC list, unless it does not meet the criteria. I wonder how many have actually read the DXCC rules? http://www.arrl.org/awards/dxcc/rules.html Notice I said read them, not understood them all! Some are hard to understand, but then again so are some of the counters on the list! See you in the next pileup? Bernie, W3UR Bernie McClenny, W3UR -- Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 01:39 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts Fellow DXers Prior to the latest BS7H op, I had not given the Rocks any attention and had only a vague notion of what is there. But today I read the web sites, saw the photos, and listened to James' super interview while on site. I come away of two minds... one with great appreciation and awe at the accomplishment and second with a deeper understanding of how truly dangerous this op was. Of course, I congratulate all who make this happen and especially to men who were willing genuinely to risk their lives to do the op. Let nothing take away from that. However, I have to ask if this set of rocks is worth the risks? I know mountain climbers die in their efforts and there are many other very dangerous sport activities, but should we as a hobby sanction placing our fellow hams into a place where the slightest bad weather, lightning strike, or just a nasty fall would have been an easy-to-happen disaster. How would we feel as hams if the worst had happened there? How much should we depend on LUCK? I think anyone can go where ever they please, but not with the sanction and official stamp of our great avocation. Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Catch suspicious messages before you open them-with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_protection_0507 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
Bravo, and very well stated Sir Edmund Hillary said it best when asked why he climbed Mt Everest. His response, because it was there On 10 May 2007 at 6:39, john wrote: Date sent: Thu, 10 May 2007 06:39:39 -0400 From: john [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:39 AM 5/10/2007, you wrote: Oh please Not everyone wants a rubber padded room world, where everything is safe and risk free. If you don't wish to go, then don't, but don't remove the excitement of doing something difficult for the rest of the world, just because YOU think it's the way things should be. Nobody at the ARRL puts a gun to someones head, and forces guys to go. They do it precisely because it's difficult, remote, and yes, potentially dangerous and certainly exciting. John K5MO However, I have to ask if this set of rocks is worth the risks? I know mountain climbers die in their efforts and there are many other very dangerous sport activities, but should we as a hobby sanction placing our fellow hams into a place where the slightest bad weather, lightning strike, or just a nasty fall would have been an easy-to-happen disaster. How would we feel as hams if the worst had happened there? How much should we depend on LUCK? I think anyone can go where ever they please, but not with the sanction and official stamp of our great avocation. Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Catch suspicious messages before you open them-with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
John, Exactly! I am in 100% agreement with you. A few Holy Grails scattered about the world is a good thing. It won't take long for someone or some group to come along and step up to the challenge! Money holds most back, but it is MY personal opinion, that if the monetary hurdle were not there, MANY would take that challenge! Danger accessing a given location is NOT a reason to remove an entity from the DXCC list!.. There are islands where amateurs have died while on DXPeditions (Malpelo I think..just to name one)..and they are still on the list. What better way to go? smiling Jose - N4BAA john wrote: At 01:39 AM 5/10/2007, you wrote: Oh please Not everyone wants a rubber padded room world, where everything is safe and risk free. If you don't wish to go, then don't, but don't remove the excitement of doing something difficult for the rest of the world, just because YOU think it's the way things should be. Nobody at the ARRL puts a gun to someones head, and forces guys to go. They do it precisely because it's difficult, remote, and yes, potentially dangerous and certainly exciting. John K5MO However, I have to ask if this set of rocks is worth the risks? I know mountain climbers die in their efforts and there are many other very dangerous sport activities, but should we as a hobby sanction placing our fellow hams into a place where the slightest bad weather, lightning strike, or just a nasty fall would have been an easy-to-happen disaster. How would we feel as hams if the worst had happened there? How much should we depend on LUCK? I think anyone can go where ever they please, but not with the sanction and official stamp of our great avocation. Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Catch suspicious messages before you open them—with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
Good Morning Bernie All: After seeing the video from 1997 I too questioned whether BS7 should be on the list. My conclusion is that it should never have been a new entity(don't ask me why, I don't have a good answer). However, now that it is on the list I do not believe it should be removed. In retrospect, a land mass clause probably should have been an original part of the rules, but it wasn't/isn't. You can't un-ring the bell. Move on. 73, Mike, W5UC At 05:59 AM 5/10/2007, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote: HS0ZCW, who sometimes operates as K4VUD said Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? This would set a terrible precedence! We must follow the DXCC rules otherwise we will destroy the very fabric of the integrity of the DXCC program. If we do as Charles suggests for BS7H what will be next? This is a slippery slope. Anyone could then make the same case for many other counters on the DXCC list. I won't give examples but one could easily list many more countries for their own personal reasons. We have gone down this road many times over the years. So there is no need to repeat this thread. There is one and only one way for a DXCC Entity (country) to be removed from the DXCC list. Notice I said removed! I don't think many people realize the next country that does not meet the DXCC criteria will be removed, not deleted, as there will be no more deletes because of the results of DXCC 2000. That's right a removal, which will be as if you never worked it! More on that discussion later. Back to the one and only way to remove a current counter from the DXCC list. The only way is if the said entity no longer meets the criteria in which put it on the list to begin with. Rules that are made up afterwards do not affect its status. Remember BS7H was added to the list back in the mid 90s. Then afterwards in an effort to not have any others added to the list like Scarborough Reef the 100 meter high tide rule was added. Believe me you don't want to remove anything off the DXCC list, unless it does not meet the criteria. I wonder how many have actually read the DXCC rules? http://www.arrl.org/awards/dxcc/rules.html Notice I said read them, not understood them all! Some are hard to understand, but then again so are some of the counters on the list! See you in the next pileup? Bernie, W3UR Bernie McClenny, W3UR -- Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 01:39 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts Fellow DXers Prior to the latest BS7H op, I had not given the Rocks any attention and had only a vague notion of what is there. But today I read the web sites, saw the photos, and listened to James' super interview while on site. I come away of two minds... one with great appreciation and awe at the accomplishment and second with a deeper understanding of how truly dangerous this op was. Of course, I congratulate all who make this happen and especially to men who were willing genuinely to risk their lives to do the op. Let nothing take away from that. However, I have to ask if this set of rocks is worth the risks? I know mountain climbers die in their efforts and there are many other very dangerous sport activities, but should we as a hobby sanction placing our fellow hams into a place where the slightest bad weather, lightning strike, or just a nasty fall would have been an easy-to-happen disaster. How would we feel as hams if the worst had happened there? How much should we depend on LUCK? I think anyone can go where ever they please, but not with the sanction and official stamp of our great avocation. Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Catch suspicious messages before you open them-with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_protection_0507 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/795 - Release Date: 5/9/2007 3:07 PM
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
If you delete BS7 based on danger, then you need to look at all the other entities that are not safe. Peter I, South Sandwich, Baghdad, Los Angeles, VU4 (Tsunami Danger). See where this is headed? Don N1DG At 07:58 AM 5/10/2007, Mike(W5UC) Kathy(K5MWH) wrote: Good Morning Bernie All: After seeing the video from 1997 I too questioned whether BS7 should be on the list. My conclusion is that it should never have been a new entity(don't ask me why, I don't have a good answer). However, now that it is on the list I do not believe it should be removed. In retrospect, a land mass clause probably should have been an original part of the rules, but it wasn't/isn't. You can't un-ring the bell. Move on. 73, Mike, W5UC At 05:59 AM 5/10/2007, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote: HS0ZCW, who sometimes operates as K4VUD said Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? This would set a terrible precedence! We must follow the DXCC rules otherwise we will destroy the very fabric of the integrity of the DXCC program. If we do as Charles suggests for BS7H what will be next? This is a slippery slope. Anyone could then make the same case for many other counters on the DXCC list. I won't give examples but one could easily list many more countries for their own personal reasons. We have gone down this road many times over the years. So there is no need to repeat this thread. There is one and only one way for a DXCC Entity (country) to be removed from the DXCC list. Notice I said removed! I don't think many people realize the next country that does not meet the DXCC criteria will be removed, not deleted, as there will be no more deletes because of the results of DXCC 2000. That's right a removal, which will be as if you never worked it! More on that discussion later. Back to the one and only way to remove a current counter from the DXCC list. The only way is if the said entity no longer meets the criteria in which put it on the list to begin with. Rules that are made up afterwards do not affect its status. Remember BS7H was added to the list back in the mid 90s. Then afterwards in an effort to not have any others added to the list like Scarborough Reef the 100 meter high tide rule was added. Believe me you don't want to remove anything off the DXCC list, unless it does not meet the criteria. I wonder how many have actually read the DXCC rules? http://www.arrl.org/awards/dxcc/rules.html Notice I said read them, not understood them all! Some are hard to understand, but then again so are some of the counters on the list! See you in the next pileup? Bernie, W3UR Bernie McClenny, W3UR -- Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 01:39 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts Fellow DXers Prior to the latest BS7H op, I had not given the Rocks any attention and had only a vague notion of what is there. But today I read the web sites, saw the photos, and listened to James' super interview while on site. I come away of two minds... one with great appreciation and awe at the accomplishment and second with a deeper understanding of how truly dangerous this op was. Of course, I congratulate all who make this happen and especially to men who were willing genuinely to risk their lives to do the op. Let nothing take away from that. However, I have to ask if this set of rocks is worth the risks? I know mountain climbers die in their efforts and there are many other very dangerous sport activities, but should we as a hobby sanction placing our fellow hams into a place where the slightest bad weather, lightning strike, or just a nasty fall would have been an easy-to-happen disaster. How would we feel as hams if the worst had happened there? How much should we depend on LUCK? I think anyone can go where ever they please, but not with the sanction and official stamp of our great avocation. Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Catch suspicious messages before you open them-with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_protection_0507 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
Hi all, In the near future BS7 may delete itself if global warming continues, the ocean levels rise and the tidal extremes increase. But whilst it IS there, why not? Cheers Peter VK3QI - Original Message - From: Don Greenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:13 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts If you delete BS7 based on danger, then you need to look at all the other entities that are not safe. Peter I, South Sandwich, Baghdad, Los Angeles, VU4 (Tsunami Danger). See where this is headed? Don N1DG At 07:58 AM 5/10/2007, Mike(W5UC) Kathy(K5MWH) wrote: Good Morning Bernie All: After seeing the video from 1997 I too questioned whether BS7 should be on the list. My conclusion is that it should never have been a new entity(don't ask me why, I don't have a good answer). However, now that it is on the list I do not believe it should be removed. In retrospect, a land mass clause probably should have been an original part of the rules, but it wasn't/isn't. You can't un-ring the bell. Move on. 73, Mike, W5UC At 05:59 AM 5/10/2007, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote: HS0ZCW, who sometimes operates as K4VUD said Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? This would set a terrible precedence! We must follow the DXCC rules otherwise we will destroy the very fabric of the integrity of the DXCC program. If we do as Charles suggests for BS7H what will be next? This is a slippery slope. Anyone could then make the same case for many other counters on the DXCC list. I won't give examples but one could easily list many more countries for their own personal reasons. We have gone down this road many times over the years. So there is no need to repeat this thread. There is one and only one way for a DXCC Entity (country) to be removed from the DXCC list. Notice I said removed! I don't think many people realize the next country that does not meet the DXCC criteria will be removed, not deleted, as there will be no more deletes because of the results of DXCC 2000. That's right a removal, which will be as if you never worked it! More on that discussion later. Back to the one and only way to remove a current counter from the DXCC list. The only way is if the said entity no longer meets the criteria in which put it on the list to begin with. Rules that are made up afterwards do not affect its status. Remember BS7H was added to the list back in the mid 90s. Then afterwards in an effort to not have any others added to the list like Scarborough Reef the 100 meter high tide rule was added. Believe me you don't want to remove anything off the DXCC list, unless it does not meet the criteria. I wonder how many have actually read the DXCC rules? http://www.arrl.org/awards/dxcc/rules.html Notice I said read them, not understood them all! Some are hard to understand, but then again so are some of the counters on the list! See you in the next pileup? Bernie, W3UR Bernie McClenny, W3UR -- Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 01:39 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts Fellow DXers Prior to the latest BS7H op, I had not given the Rocks any attention and had only a vague notion of what is there. But today I read the web sites, saw the photos, and listened to James' super interview while on site. I come away of two minds... one with great appreciation and awe at the accomplishment and second with a deeper understanding of how truly dangerous this op was. Of course, I congratulate all who make this happen and especially to men who were willing genuinely to risk their lives to do the op. Let nothing take away from that. However, I have to ask if this set of rocks is worth the risks? I know mountain climbers die in their efforts and there are many other very dangerous sport activities, but should we as a hobby sanction placing our fellow hams into a place where the slightest bad weather, lightning strike, or just a nasty fall would have been an easy-to-happen disaster. How would we feel as hams if the worst had happened there? How much should we depend on LUCK? I think anyone can go where ever they please, but not with the sanction and official stamp of our great avocation. Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Catch suspicious messages before you open them-with Windows Live Hotmail. http
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
At 06:59 AM 05/10/2007, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote: Back to the one and only way to remove a current counter from the DXCC list. The only way is if the said entity no longer meets the criteria in which put it on the list to begin with. Rules that are made up afterwards do not affect its status. Remember BS7H was added to the list back in the mid 90s. Then afterwards in an effort to not have any others added to the list like Scarborough Reef the 100 meter high tide rule was added. Believe me you don't want to remove anything off the DXCC list, unless it does not meet the criteria. I don't think there's a solution to this that will please everybody. I'd personally like to see the rules overhauled completely at some point down the road, but how that could be accomplished I really don't know. I'm not in favour of creating new ones by rule changes, nor deleting/removing old ones by fiat either, but the mish-mash that exists now is somewhat bizarre and could use a revamp at some point. I'm definitely not in favour of mollycoddling DXers and DXpeditioners by removing tough- or dangerous-to-activate entities just because they're tough or dangerous to activate. Free will is truly a wonderful concept. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
Pushed the wrong button so this went to W9SZ... Martti, OH2BH, has been on Scarborough Reef before and that didn't make him stay home! If you find the old book Martti wrote Where do we go next?, you can read about his first real DX-pedition to Annobon, 3C0AN, and it was the first operation from that island. No landing strip but the inhabitants on Annobon tried to make one and a small military aircraft from Libreville managed to land. More problems when Martti and OH1MM were to be picked up, the aircraft was heavy and the pilots were not sure if they could take off - shall we leave Martti or the equipment here? They decided on the equipment... This was in 1972 and Martti has since always had problems with complicated malaria - it's been real hard for him. Some DX'ers do a lot of dangerous things for us sitting here in our houses. My friends in D.R. Congo (9Q1D, 9Q1EK and 9Q1TB) have been shot at by local rebels in Kinshasa, and Georges, 9Q1EK, has gunshot holes from a Kalashnikov in his UN marked car. . Don't criticize, try yourselves to go to places somewhere, more rare than the Caribbean Islands - even though these places also may be somewhat dangerous as JR (Johnny) Cash once had robbers breaking in and shooting in his house in Jamaica. It also looks dangerous (for WAS) to live in Oklahoma, Kansas etc. these days... And please NEVER go somewhere by car, there are always drunks driving in the opposite direction! If you are at my age, also make sure that you don't fall when you are out walking! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts I can see your point Charlie, but maybe the people who we REALLY need to ask are the people who put on the DXpedition and went there. Just like those who climb Mt. Everest or K2, they knew what they were getting into beforehand and knew what was likely to happen when they got there. It seems there are people willing to go to these places so we can sit in our comfy chairs and try to work them. They do so on their own responsibility. They took the risk and great personal cost to do so. How are THEY going to feel if the entity is deleted and their work was for naught? The time to delete an entity such as Scarborough is before it even gets created. That way no one has to feel a personal loss because they did risk their lives and pocketbooks for nothing. 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
Well, here's the thing: As I recall (Bernie et al correct me if I'm wrong), there was a lot of discussion about what to do about countries and the very beginning of what became the DXCC 2000 rewrite. And there was a school of thought that strongly suggested starting everyone over on 1 Jan 2000 with a clean slate, and along with that, a refreshed list of countries (we hadn't switched to calling them entities yet... I think) And please, no brickbats, I was NOT a member of that small but vocal group that thought this! But, just for fits and giggles... imagine doing just that. Convince some other group to sponsor a DXCC-like award, for contacts starting 1 Jan 2000 (even though the 21st century actually started 1 Jan 2001, but let's not go into THAT one again either), and for this hypothetical award -- call it DX 21 for the sake of argument -- issue a new list of entities, based on the current DXCC active list (forget the deleteds), but applying current criteria to each and every one of them, plus evaluating other possibile ones that have been eliminated under recent rules changes. Many won't survive. BS7H certainly wouldn't. What about Scotland, Wales, and the rest of the non-England parts of the UK? Desecheo? Navassa? Sable? Ducie? What about the special cases: The Spratley's? Do you keep the UN Hq? If so, what about the Council of Europe HQ? The Vatican? SMOM? ITU Hq? How about the UN Vienna? I could go on, but you get my drift. Either way for many of these, stay or go... at least apply the new DX 21 rules consistently. How will this affect DX chasing? To say nothing of little discussions like this thread... I can understand all too well why no one wanted to undertake the controversy that a change like this would have entailed. But it's interesting to think about! 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:32 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts At 06:59 AM 05/10/2007, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote: Back to the one and only way to remove a current counter from the DXCC list. The only way is if the said entity no longer meets the criteria in which put it on the list to begin with. Rules that are made up afterwards do not affect its status. Remember BS7H was added to the list back in the mid 90s. Then afterwards in an effort to not have any others added to the list like Scarborough Reef the 100 meter high tide rule was added. Believe me you don't want to remove anything off the DXCC list, unless it does not meet the criteria. I don't think there's a solution to this that will please everybody. I'd personally like to see the rules overhauled completely at some point down the road, but how that could be accomplished I really don't know. I'm not in favour of creating new ones by rule changes, nor deleting/removing old ones by fiat either, but the mish-mash that exists now is somewhat bizarre and could use a revamp at some point. I'm definitely not in favour of mollycoddling DXers and DXpeditioners by removing tough- or dangerous-to-activate entities just because they're tough or dangerous to activate. Free will is truly a wonderful concept. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts
Fellow DXers Prior to the latest BS7H op, I had not given the Rocks any attention and had only a vague notion of what is there. But today I read the web sites, saw the photos, and listened to James' super interview while on site. I come away of two minds... one with great appreciation and awe at the accomplishment and second with a deeper understanding of how truly dangerous this op was. Of course, I congratulate all who make this happen and especially to men who were willing genuinely to risk their lives to do the op. Let nothing take away from that. However, I have to ask if this set of rocks is worth the risks? I know mountain climbers die in their efforts and there are many other very dangerous sport activities, but should we as a hobby sanction placing our fellow hams into a place where the slightest bad weather, lightning strike, or just a nasty fall would have been an easy-to-happen disaster. How would we feel as hams if the worst had happened there? How much should we depend on LUCK? I think anyone can go where ever they please, but not with the sanction and official stamp of our great avocation. Maybe it is time to re-think the DXCC status of this place? Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H on any band-Trouble, trouble, trouble
Let me tell you my sad story.Long but true. After receiving my VU4 qsl, I was in pretty good shape. Only one (1) to go---BS7. Then all of a sudden I had three (3) to go! Got two (2) of them. Now to get the cards. Received the cards, 4O3T and KH8SI, and got them to ARRL in March. News of an impending BS7 DxPed got me worrying about the antenna. I have to clean it up and get 10 more feet of tower. Got the beam down and started getting top section ready. Late winter rain,wind, rain, wind, etc kept me off the tower. Still plenty of time. It's only the first of April. Have to make a pulley brace--still plenty of time. Work is getting in my way! Still have 2 more weeks, plenty of time. Uh oh, Mom is feeling bad. She is 96. Uh oh, Mom has to go to hospital. I must stay there quite a bit. Uh oh, Mom unexpectedly passes away. Her funeral is on April 23. We visit with friends and family until late Monday afternoon. Maybe I can do a bit of antenna work tomorrow. Uh oh. What's that pain in my side? It's getting worse and I'm gonna throw up. It's still getting worse. I hope it's not a kidney stone. I can't stand it any more. Doc said meet him at hospital ER. They can do anything they want--IF they stop the pain. Cat scan confirms stone! Pain seems to be gone at 3 AM Tuesday. My son and his wife stay with me all night. She keeps nurses bringing pain meds. Go home Tuesday mid-morning with filter. Drink plenty and watch. Still plenty of time. Tuesday noon the pain is coming back. Get the pain pills. They're not working! Bad afternoon. Bad night. Bad Wednesday. Fever has arrived by Thursday. Pills still not working! Doc says meet him at hospital for admission. Time is shorter than I would like. Wow! Liquid pain medicine in the vein works better than pills! Tests show that the Doc has to go in and get the stone. What does he mean go in? Uh Oh!!! Surgery Friday. Is BS7 there yet? Rest Saturday and Sunday and go home Monday--maybe. Monday in a hospital is like Monday everywhere. What are they waiting for? Is BS7 operating? Arrive home shortly after noon, April 30.Wife says sit so I sit. Drink lots of fluid and watch. Computer shows lots of BS7 activity. I have to stretch my legs. A walk to back yard shows a naked tower with beam on the ground next to it Great weather, no rain, no wind--maybe tomorrow if I play my cards right. My son says he can help tomorrow. My wife says she will help him!!! I'm out of time. They both understand the urgency. Thank You, Thank You! Tuesday morning he set the beam on the mast and we pull it to the top. Turn the radio on. Holy moley! BS7H is 589 on 20 meters. Have to set the guys. I can hear them the entire time. No need to hurry. They're loud! Tuesday shortly after noon-let's go get them. uh oh, where did all those stations come from? Conditions go downhill. Not 589 anymore. Can't even hear them. Maybe tonight or tomorrow. Hmmm, nothing Tues night and Wed morning they are weak and working JA and EU. Hey, they are calling NA. 400,000 radios come to life. No luck. More JA and U. Same story Thursday and Friday. Keep seeing posts saying easy, first call. Yeah, right. How many JAs are there? Friday afternoon I have to collect some stuff for community garage sale my wife had committed to long ago. Early Saturday bands are dead. Something about group photo. How long can that take? Only 12 hours left! Get stuff to garage sale around 7 AM and get setup. I hope somebody is already planning another BS7 DxPedition. Hope they can stay a month. At 7:55 AM, my wife says all is under control, go home and see if you can get them. Bless her heart!!! Knocking over a couple of tables, I peeled out of the parking lot. Five minutes later I hear them on 20m cw--599 calling NA! I set up about 10 kHz higher and call, and call, and call, etc. Thirty minutes later still no go. Did he call me? No, it was W5*c. Darn! I listen around. Lots of folks calling. BS7H getting weaker. Gotta hurry. There is another group up about 10 kHz more and then I heard one give a signal report. Could this be the freq? Back to split and BS7H says TU NA UP. Quick call. Did he call me? Wait. Then a beautiful song played. W5EC W5EC 599! TU 599. If he only knew. It was #337! The last one! Thank you Liz (my wife) for sending me home! Bill W5EC I wanted to be a procrastinator when I grew up, but I never got around to it. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H on any band-Trouble, trouble, trouble
At 07:53 PM 5/5/2007, Bill Hawkins wrote: Let me tell you my sad story.Long but true. Fantastic story, but scary. I have been down the road with kidney stones and it's a no fun deal. It has been said that they are woman's revenge for having to give birth. Congratulations! I only wish BS7H had been my last one. Still need 2. 73, Mike, W5UC age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re[2]: [DX-CHAT] +BS7H
Hello Tom, TK I logged into LoTW found the following info; TK Last upload for BS7H: 2004-03-17 05:32:49Z TK So the VE7CC is adding the + designator from the previous operation. I continue to see the + designator in the VE7CC postings for BS7H. Does this have any significance with regard to their intentions to upload to LOTW? It is not VE7CC who is adding the +, but the HB9BZA, who keeps updating the LoTW users list. Cluster s/w adds the + if spotted call is shown in that lists. See http://www.hb9bza.net/lotw I talked to Robert about removing those whose calls do not appear in the users logs, say if last QSO date uploaded to LoTW is older that 2 years. Robert did not seem to like the idea, but I believe this could be revised. -- 73...Art RX9TX http://rx9tx.qrz.ru Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: Re[2]: [DX-CHAT] +BS7H
If you are using VE7CC cluster program it asks you for LoTW update (telling you are still using it) a couple of times each week. When you get the red message click on it an it will tell VE7CC and the message turns to green. For those not using the VE7CC-program the information comes from HB9BZA. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Art RX9TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re[2]: [DX-CHAT] +BS7H Hello Tom, TK I logged into LoTW found the following info; TK Last upload for BS7H: 2004-03-17 05:32:49Z TK So the VE7CC is adding the + designator from the previous operation. I continue to see the + designator in the VE7CC postings for BS7H. Does this have any significance with regard to their intentions to upload to LOTW? It is not VE7CC who is adding the +, but the HB9BZA, who keeps updating the LoTW users list. Cluster s/w adds the + if spotted call is shown in that lists. See http://www.hb9bza.net/lotw I talked to Robert about removing those whose calls do not appear in the users logs, say if last QSO date uploaded to LoTW is older that 2 years. Robert did not seem to like the idea, but I believe this could be revised. -- 73...Art RX9TX http://rx9tx.qrz.ru Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re[4]: [DX-CHAT] +BS7H
Hello dx-chat, OBM If you are using VE7CC cluster program it asks you OBM for LoTW update (telling you are still using it) a couple OBM of times each week. I bet it asks for updating LoTW users list right from HB9BZA's web site. You might search who is responsible for + shown by VE7CC s/w, just turn the country prefix feature off on the cluster side and see if you can still see the + in the spots. OBM When you get the red message OBM click on it an it will tell VE7CC and the message turns OBM to green. For those not using the VE7CC-program the OBM information comes from HB9BZA. TK I logged into LoTW found the following info; TK Last upload for BS7H: 2004-03-17 05:32:49Z TK So the VE7CC is adding the + designator from the previous operation. I continue to see the + designator in the VE7CC postings for BS7H. Does this have any significance with regard to their intentions to upload to LOTW? It is not VE7CC who is adding the +, but the HB9BZA, who keeps updating the LoTW users list. Cluster s/w adds the + if spotted call is shown in that lists. See http://www.hb9bza.net/lotw I talked to Robert about removing those whose calls do not appear in the users logs, say if last QSO date uploaded to LoTW is older that 2 years. Robert did not seem to like the idea, but I believe this could be revised. -- 73...Art RX9TX http://rx9tx.qrz.ru Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
Operating Procedures - Exactly correct Jerry !! I didn't think there was anyone around besides me that could remember that one !! At least one !! OK - Enuf Said Here, 73, Larry From: J. Allen Call [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H Whatever happened to good old operating procedures. You cannot work the guy if you are talking at the same time. You need to listen and learn what his operating procedures are. I have worked many DX stations with 100 watts and a dipole. I have heard many a station contact the DX station and give them a 59 and then turn around and ask them to repeat his call sign, or what was my signal report, etc. I have spent many hours in trying to work the elusive DX and patience and perseverance have paid off. I have worked them all. Don't have a 5 el or the best XCVR made or used DX cluster spots. It's all about timing. J W7KSG A good lesson for all you guys that depend on the following to get you a new one: DX Cluster Spots, The Best XCVR Made, A 5 Element Yagi Up 90', and a Linear Amp This One Requires: A Knowledge of Propagation Lady Luck Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
This One Requires: A Knowledge of Propagation Lady Luck and a voice keyer. :-D Sadly, the logs won't be up until it's all over, so I need an insurance contact (didn't hear my N prefix over the QRM, but DID get the 2ERN A near-real-time log would help keep the noise down. Perhaps it just wasn't practical. N2ERN -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] +BS7H
I continue to see the + designator in the VE7CC postings for BS7H. Does this have any significance with regard to their intentions to upload to LOTW? 73, Mike, W5UC age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H
A good lesson for all you guys that depend on the following to get you a new one: DX Cluster Spots, The Best XCVR Made, A 5 Element Yagi Up 90', and a Linear Amp This One Requires: A Knowledge of Propagation Lady Luck If you wanted a Give Away Extra, now you got it !!! ENJOY all the Lids, CB'ers, and QRM you invited in !! I got BS-7H back in '95 with a H.B. Vertical and 90W. Just for fun, bet I can do it again. :-) Larry, K4WLS Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
A 5 Element Yagi Up 90', and a Linear Amp Would really help on this one. I can hear them near DC on 20m and 30m with a 25 foot high delta loop and a big vertical respectively, but not much chance of working them. I'm hoping to put up a BS7H-special antenna tonight, vertical beam right on them. Hope the K=0 holds out and I hope condx on the rocks hold out as well... good luck to all. Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
ENJOY all the Lids, CB'ers, and QRM you invited in !! Yes, because every ill-behaved person jamming the pileup is obviously a recently minted U.S. Extra Class amateur. Maybe we should look at the motive... who has more reason to jam a pileup? A brand new Extra all excited about DXing and who's seen the impressive and bizarre spectacle that was BS7H in '95 and just has to make sure they get this one... ---OR--- Someone who already has them in the log and doesn't want someone else catching up to their total? - - - - - - I personally don't think it's either... I think it's jammers who like jamming, which we've had for a long time, and a few people who are frantically searching a vast swath of 20m hoping to find the sweet spot to get through and forget to switch VFO's before they transmit... they're lids, maybe, but forgivable ones. Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
Let us not also forget that, sad to say, there are those amongst the licensed multitude who... shall we say don't have all of their ducks in a row? All of their marbles? A few bricks shy of a load? They either don't (or can't) know better; or due to some twisted logic that exists only in the grey matter between their own ears, know what they're doing and are in some sick manner enjoying it. Their license class (if any) or time licensed (if any) is irrelevant. No amount of training will prevent the mentally ill or mentally diminished from completing their tasks at hand. Fighting back in kind is not an option, as it only creates further chaos; sometimes I believe one of these rogues starts something up and manages to get one frequency cop at the throat of another, and then steps back and enjoys the fight. No one wins -- the frequency cops beat each other up, the DX and those calling them get frustrated, and the sick twisted being that started it all has a moment of glory before the need to do it again descends upon them. Name calling and finger pointing won't work. Policing the frequency won't work and often has the oppposite effect of what is intended. Ignore them. As hard as it is. If they have no audience, if they realize finally that their efforts are for naught as they're not gumming up the works, they'll go off elsewhere and do something else. Don't give these cretins what they want and crave. 73 -- From: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/05/02 Wed AM 10:09:23 CDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: BS7H At 11:23 AM 05/02/2007, John Warren wrote: Larry K4WLS wrote: If you wanted a Give Away Extra, now you got it !!! ENJOY all the Lids, CB'ers, and QRM you invited in !! I got BS-7H back in '95 with a H.B. Vertical and 90W. Just for fun, bet I can do it again. Larry, There's no reason to believe that the BS7H QRM is due to the newcomers into our hobby. Doubt that most of them know who BS7H is! Much more likely to come from frustrated, impatient 20wpm OTs who are near the top of Honor Roll. Nope, I disagree with both of these. I'm not talking about frequency cops here, they're a different breed. I think many of the real problem-children here are more likely General- and Advanced-Class(less) ops who wander cluelessly through the hobby. This type of op likely has 20+ year old un-maintained equipment, coax that's more green than copper and white inside, a lossy trapped tribander on a rusty old 30 foot tall TV tower and who knows where to find his buddies and not much else. Because his station is crap or his ears aren't working, he'll come up and start calling on top of the DX, not hearing anything, just keep at it. Or the other type who looks at his cluster connection, sees a spot for something he doesn't quite understand and just starts throwing his call in. This last type is the kind of ham I knew a lot of when I was new to the hobby. This bunch gets excited when they have 20m SSB QSOs with Bulgaria, Latvia and the Czech republic (no offence to OMs from those FB countries intended) and ecstatic when they work a couple of JA, VKs and ZLs in a day. The concept of what BS7H really is is lost on them and they just blunder into the pile not understanding the dynamics involved, how to call, etc. They are NOT really DXers, they're wannabees or don't-wannabees. Think of the guys you see at hamfests in coveralls or other ill-fitting clothes and callsign-hats, wandering around with moths in their wallets and between their ears. This type will criticize or go against anything that they can't understand or can't afford. They'll put down contesters and DXers with big stations because they can't afford to do it themselves, or don't want to take the time to learn. I think we all know a bunch of guys who fit this description to one degree or another. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
I think that half the problem here is just plain bad operating, and not listening to what's going on. This afternoon I had a good listen to BS7H's pileup on 17m ssb (once I'd worked them of course). As BS7H called specific stations many times, the Italians (and others, but mainly Italians) just kept calling, and calling and calling. It's infuriating to hear the DX call for the SM6 only, the SM6 O-N-L-Y, all others stand by and ten thousand Italians still keep calling regardless. That just makes each QSO take about 5 minutes, or seemingly so. They say that if you give an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters they'll recreate the works of Shakespeare. Well I might just be able to tell you where to find the infinite number of monkeys. Dave G0OIL Ron Notarius W3WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us not also forget that, sad to say, there are those amongst the licensed multitude who... shall we say don't have all of their ducks in a row? All of their marbles? A few bricks shy of a load? They either don't (or can't) know better; or due to some twisted logic that exists only in the grey matter between their own ears, know what they're doing and are in some sick manner enjoying it. Their license class (if any) or time licensed (if any) is irrelevant. No amount of training will prevent the mentally ill or mentally diminished from completing their tasks at hand. Fighting back in kind is not an option, as it only creates further chaos; sometimes I believe one of these rogues starts something up and manages to get one frequency cop at the throat of another, and then steps back and enjoys the fight. No one wins -- the frequency cops beat each other up, the DX and those calling them get frustrated, and the sick twisted being that started it all has a moment of glory before the need to do it again descends upon them. Name calling and finger pointing won't work. Policing the frequency won't work and often has the oppposite effect of what is intended. Ignore them. As hard as it is. If they have no audience, if they realize finally that their efforts are for naught as they're not gumming up the works, they'll go off elsewhere and do something else. Don't give these cretins what they want and crave. 73 -- From: Peter Dougherty Date: 2007/05/02 Wed AM 10:09:23 CDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: BS7H At 11:23 AM 05/02/2007, John Warren wrote: Larry K4WLS wrote: If you wanted a Give Away Extra, now you got it !!! ENJOY all the Lids, CB'ers, and QRM you invited in !! I got BS-7H back in '95 with a H.B. Vertical and 90W. Just for fun, bet I can do it again. Larry, There's no reason to believe that the BS7H QRM is due to the newcomers into our hobby. Doubt that most of them know who BS7H is! Much more likely to come from frustrated, impatient 20wpm OTs who are near the top of Honor Roll. Nope, I disagree with both of these. I'm not talking about frequency cops here, they're a different breed. I think many of the real problem-children here are more likely General- and Advanced-Class(less) ops who wander cluelessly through the hobby. This type of op likely has 20+ year old un-maintained equipment, coax that's more green than copper and white inside, a lossy trapped tribander on a rusty old 30 foot tall TV tower and who knows where to find his buddies and not much else. Because his station is crap or his ears aren't working, he'll come up and start calling on top of the DX, not hearing anything, just keep at it. Or the other type who looks at his cluster connection, sees a spot for something he doesn't quite understand and just starts throwing his call in. This last type is the kind of ham I knew a lot of when I was new to the hobby. This bunch gets excited when they have 20m SSB QSOs with Bulgaria, Latvia and the Czech republic (no offence to OMs from those FB countries intended) and ecstatic when they work a couple of JA, VKs and ZLs in a day. The concept of what BS7H really is is lost on them and they just blunder into the pile not understanding the dynamics involved, how to call, etc. They are NOT really DXers, they're wannabees or don't-wannabees. Think of the guys you see at hamfests in coveralls or other ill-fitting clothes and callsign-hats, wandering around with moths in their wallets and between their ears. This type will criticize or go against anything that they can't understand or can't afford. They'll put down contesters and DXers with big stations because they can't afford to do it themselves, or don't want to take the time to learn. I think we all know a bunch of guys who fit this description to one degree or another. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO anywhere
The day prior to BS7H coming up, I had a pile up as HS0ZCW, using one freq split (no spread of callers). I am sure most used my sig as a test to see how they may get into this part of the world and a few probably thot I was BS7H. Anyway, the pile up was beyond imagination... Many more than I had as VU4AN/VU3CHE and as 9N7UD years ago. There was the very real wall of sound. I was hearing JAs, EUs, and NA all at once. And the vast majority were of equal strength, about S7, and thus no one sig could be read. Proportionally even more callers for BS7H leads me to say, I can not imagine how those ops can cope, even calling by numbers with a 10kc spread, for example. Moral is lots of extra patience will have to be on hand on all sides for this one to get some contacts in the log. A big GL to everyone. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Punishing all operators from a particular region because a few misbehave just increases the frustation level and puts more QRM on the DX frequency. Thanks for us, europeans. I guess that with BS7H now on, we'd better be prepared to listen to the US crybabies. That's the risk, for sure. But conversely, what can a DX operation do when their pileups are completely out of control I don't agree on this point: Under the QRM, what i heard yesterday was a rather nicely controled pileup. The op (I8NHJ, the spotters said) seemed to work easily and with a good rythm. After 5 hours on-and-off today I just gave up, visited a friend and helped out the XYL. Well at 19Z the propagation was down, certainly closed for the major part of Europe. I could still hear them 53 and listened to them and the pileup while eating a pizza (TNX YL) in front of the radio. I suddenly heard a 59 from the pileup, jumped in and got them ! It was my lucky day, beacuse i have to admit that i had hard times, a few hours before, fo find the QSX between 200 and 230 ! So i didn't call that much, maybe 10 times ? It's kind of a shame that these two are extremely difficult from NA. It's a shame that N8S was so difficult from EU etc etc.. -- Laurent Ferracci, F1JKJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Guys, unfortunately this has become the situation here in Europe. . I really don't know where the mass of deliberate QRM comes from, though mostly it seem to be from east or south-east into England so could come from anywhere in Europe. Certainly a lot of the undisciplined cretins seem to be Italians, though I'd certainly not state that it's ALL from Italians, nor that ALL Italians are bad operators. Many a time I hear a pileup, and the DX is asking for (say) Alpha Bravo Charlie ONLY, but listening through the QSX spread I still hear so many without ANY of those letters in the call still shouting away. OK, maybe we can all mis-time a call and double with the DX, but surely most simply aren't listening. Just the other day JT1Y told everyone to QRX, then asked for United Kingdom stations only - and all the deliberate QRM started immediately: whistling, keying, white noise, swearing, blowing raspberries etc. It's just comical. I don't know how to explain why some people would deliberately send QRM over a DXpedition. Perhaps patience is a lost art. Perhaps self discipline is a lost art. Certainly here in the UK, respect for other human beings is now a lost art, particularly in the cities where gangs of feral youths terrorise neighbourhoods, vandalise anything in sight and stab of shoot each other. Education is long dead in this country and has been for a generation thanks to idiot politicians, do-gooders and political correctness - and maybe the results of this failure are making their way across society. Perhaps the activities of IT9RYH and IK1JUO have got the Italians an even worse reputation and have caused everyone's patience to wear thin, but that doesn't excuse what went on yesterday. I';d agree that Sourthern Europe probably has good propagation to BS7 most of the time - they seem to have good propagation everywhere most of the time - though here in Northern Europe propagation windows are much shorter. That was particularly pronounced with N8S. I'd also agree that an expedition should give time to difficult-to-reach parts of the world, but the way things are at the moment, if BS7H had called for North America only yesterday, then there would probably have been bedlam. Dave G0OIL Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say. I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency. On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not too worried. Yet . I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of since you are so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours, and hold to it. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
The deliberate QRM started to be real bad when the worldwide DX-clusters came up on Internet. it wasn't difficult to work BS7H in 1994 (not OK for DXCC), 1995 and 1997. Close down all DX-clusters and working DX will again be a pleasure! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC on the air working DX since 1962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat List Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Guys, unfortunately this has become the situation here in Europe. . I really don't know where the mass of deliberate QRM comes from, though mostly it seem to be from east or south-east into England so could come from anywhere in Europe. Certainly a lot of the undisciplined cretins seem to be Italians, though I'd certainly not state that it's ALL from Italians, nor that ALL Italians are bad operators. Many a time I hear a pileup, and the DX is asking for (say) Alpha Bravo Charlie ONLY, but listening through the QSX spread I still hear so many without ANY of those letters in the call still shouting away. OK, maybe we can all mis-time a call and double with the DX, but surely most simply aren't listening. Just the other day JT1Y told everyone to QRX, then asked for United Kingdom stations only - and all the deliberate QRM started immediately: whistling, keying, white noise, swearing, blowing raspberries etc. It's just comical. I don't know how to explain why some people would deliberately send QRM over a DXpedition. Perhaps patience is a lost art. Perhaps self discipline is a lost art. Certainly here in the UK, respect for other human beings is now a lost art, particularly in the cities where gangs of feral youths terrorise neighbourhoods, vandalise anything in sight and stab of shoot each other. Education is long dead in this country and has been for a generation thanks to idiot politicians, do-gooders and political correctness - and maybe the results of this failure are making their way across society. Perhaps the activities of IT9RYH and IK1JUO have got the Italians an even worse reputation and have caused everyone's patience to wear thin, but that doesn't excuse what went on yesterday. I';d agree that Sourthern Europe probably has good propagation to BS7 most of the time - they seem to have good propagation everywhere most of the time - though here in Northern Europe propagation windows are much shorter. That was particularly pronounced with N8S. I'd also agree that an expedition should give time to difficult-to-reach parts of the world, but the way things are at the moment, if BS7H had called for North America only yesterday, then there would probably have been bedlam. Dave G0OIL Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say. I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency. On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not too worried. Yet . I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of since you are so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours, and hold to it. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Each new advance brings those who would misuse it. Seek their repair, for time will not run backwards. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat List Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA The deliberate QRM started to be real bad when the worldwide DX-clusters came up on Internet. it wasn't difficult to work BS7H in 1994 (not OK for DXCC), 1995 and 1997. Close down all DX-clusters and working DX will again be a pleasure! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC on the air working DX since 1962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat List Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Guys, unfortunately this has become the situation here in Europe. . I really don't know where the mass of deliberate QRM comes from, though mostly it seem to be from east or south-east into England so could come from anywhere in Europe. Certainly a lot of the undisciplined cretins seem to be Italians, though I'd certainly not state that it's ALL from Italians, nor that ALL Italians are bad operators. Many a time I hear a pileup, and the DX is asking for (say) Alpha Bravo Charlie ONLY, but listening through the QSX spread I still hear so many without ANY of those letters in the call still shouting away. OK, maybe we can all mis-time a call and double with the DX, but surely most simply aren't listening. Just the other day JT1Y told everyone to QRX, then asked for United Kingdom stations only - and all the deliberate QRM started immediately: whistling, keying, white noise, swearing, blowing raspberries etc. It's just comical. I don't know how to explain why some people would deliberately send QRM over a DXpedition. Perhaps patience is a lost art. Perhaps self discipline is a lost art. Certainly here in the UK, respect for other human beings is now a lost art, particularly in the cities where gangs of feral youths terrorise neighbourhoods, vandalise anything in sight and stab of shoot each other. Education is long dead in this country and has been for a generation thanks to idiot politicians, do-gooders and political correctness - and maybe the results of this failure are making their way across society. Perhaps the activities of IT9RYH and IK1JUO have got the Italians an even worse reputation and have caused everyone's patience to wear thin, but that doesn't excuse what went on yesterday. I';d agree that Sourthern Europe probably has good propagation to BS7 most of the time - they seem to have good propagation everywhere most of the time - though here in Northern Europe propagation windows are much shorter. That was particularly pronounced with N8S. I'd also agree that an expedition should give time to difficult-to-reach parts of the world, but the way things are at the moment, if BS7H had called for North America only yesterday, then there would probably have been bedlam. Dave G0OIL Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say. I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency. On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not too worried. Yet . I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of since you are so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours, and hold to it. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Dave G0OIL. Getting older and grumpier, apparently. Much older now and wiser - Ballad of Barbara by JR Cash 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat List Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Absolutely. I couldn't have put it better. I've not been licensed as long as Osten, and in fact I was a very small pink thing in nappies in 1962, but certainly whilst I've been on the air (18 years) deliberate QRM seems to have got worse. Perhaps the DX cluster has brought more people to interesting DX stations' frequencies, and thus a greater number of idiots even assuming that the idiot percentage has remained the same. I think thast it's also a feature of old timers everywhere to look back on the old days with rose tinted spectacles. Speaking of which, my wife tells me that I sound more like my Dad every day in my opinions of the world. Now THAT's worrying. :-) Dave G0OIL. Getting older and grumpier, apparently. Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each new advance brings those who would misuse it. Seek their repair, for time will not run backwards. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat List Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA The deliberate QRM started to be real bad when the worldwide DX-clusters came up on Internet. it wasn't difficult to work BS7H in 1994 (not OK for DXCC), 1995 and 1997. Close down all DX-clusters and working DX will again be a pleasure! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC on the air working DX since 1962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat List Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Guys, unfortunately this has become the situation here in Europe. . I really don't know where the mass of deliberate QRM comes from, though mostly it seem to be from east or south-east into England so could come from anywhere in Europe. Certainly a lot of the undisciplined cretins seem to be Italians, though I'd certainly not state that it's ALL from Italians, nor that ALL Italians are bad operators. Many a time I hear a pileup, and the DX is asking for (say) Alpha Bravo Charlie ONLY, but listening through the QSX spread I still hear so many without ANY of those letters in the call still shouting away. OK, maybe we can all mis-time a call and double with the DX, but surely most simply aren't listening. Just the other day JT1Y told everyone to QRX, then asked for United Kingdom stations only - and all the deliberate QRM started immediately: whistling, keying, white noise, swearing, blowing raspberries etc. It's just comical. I don't know how to explain why some people would deliberately send QRM over a DXpedition. Perhaps patience is a lost art. Perhaps self discipline is a lost art. Certainly here in the UK, respect for other human beings is now a lost art, particularly in the cities where gangs of feral youths terrorise neighbourhoods, vandalise anything in sight and stab of shoot each other. Education is long dead in this country and has been for a generation thanks to idiot politicians, do-gooders and political correctness - and maybe the results of this failure are making their way across society. Perhaps the activities of IT9RYH and IK1JUO have got the Italians an even worse reputation and have caused everyone's patience to wear thin, but that doesn't excuse what went on yesterday. I';d agree that Sourthern Europe probably has good propagation to BS7 most of the time - they seem to have good propagation everywhere most of the time - though here in Northern Europe propagation windows are much shorter. That was particularly pronounced with N8S. I'd also agree that an expedition should give time to difficult-to-reach parts of the world, but the way things are at the moment, if BS7H had called for North America only yesterday, then there would probably have been bedlam. Dave G0OIL Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
BS7H was 5-5 to 5-7 much of the afternoon here in eastern PA, n a 3 el yagi. I'm surprised that they couldn't be heard in NJ, just a few miles east of my QTH. Must be something wrong with the antenna or the feedline. Or maybe an arrogant, ill-mannered attitude blocks the ears (as well as the head). 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat List dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:29 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Because you couldn't hear them with your not too puny station in New Jersey, my 55 report from Boston was Pure BS? You have a bit to learn about propagation, as well as manners. And while you're at it, take a deep breath. You'll find it easier to work them if can you keep your wits about you. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of harris_ruben Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:56 PM To: dx-chat List Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA I saw that Boston callout. No way, Jose. My station -- not too puny --had ZERO copy when that Boston call came out. Pure BS IMO. The best I heard 'em was 52. Our Italian friends played cops on 20 meters. Someone even yelled at ME (when I was working split at 14201) yelling directly at ME! (on the DX freq 14185) N2ERN - working ones -- long after they were calling twos. What lids!!! You could just puke! At least I was in the split range!! I'll still be in there, but my band is 18 -- and I expect (hope) to work 'em there. I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! N2ERN Another reason for DX to call by numbers instead of geographical area.. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:51:16 -0400 He is 55 near Boston on short path. No copy on long path. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Maikisch Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:44 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA THE BS7H WAS STRONG HERE THIS AFTERNOON INTO NE USA, BUT WAS CALLING EU. I WAS VERY TEMPTED TO CALL HIM ANYWAY BUT LET IT GO. EVEN SO PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE BROKEN THROUGH EU PILE. WISH HE HAD LISTENED FOR NA AT THAT TIME. STILL, IT GIVES ME HOPE THAT IT MIGHT JUST BE POSSIBLE TO GET HIM AFTER ALL. JOHN - K2AZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org _ Download Messenger. Join the i'm Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Great quote Dave. This is only a hobby. I am not going to die if I don't work BS7H (and the likelihood of it at this point looks prety slim - they're supposed to be on 14024 now and I don't hear a peep). When the weak signals, kilocycle cops and tuner-uppers get to me, I usually just shut off the rig and do something else. 73, Zack W9SZ On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Dave AA6YQ wrote: In the Complete DXer, Bob W9KNI says But sometimes, the experienced DX'er gets into a situation where it quickly becomes obvious that there is no hope of a QSO. And it is then the frustrated DX'er shows the world, or at least himself, what kind of person he is. Does he QSY, or does he cause needless or even intentional QRM? Does he update the propagation forecasts and check the NCDXF beacons, or does he steam up the hill with beady eyes blazing in search of anyone who'll listen to his latest rendition of ain't it awful?. DX is. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
At 06:34 AM 04/30/2007, Jerry Keller wrote: BS7H was 5-5 to 5-7 much of the afternoon here in eastern PA, n a 3 el yagi. I'm surprised that they couldn't be heard in NJ, just a few miles east of my QTH. Must be something wrong with the antenna or the feedline. Or maybe an arrogant, ill-mannered attitude blocks the ears (as well as the head). As another New Jersian, I can say they had a very readable signal most of the day on Sunday (when you could hear beneath the QRM). This morning they're about 53 (but perfectly copyable) as of 8:45am, short-path. I was able to hear them from the time they first showed up until about 3pm (Eastern time), then again from about 6:30 (weakly) on and off before I QSY'd to the TV at 8:30. All I have here is a C31XR (3 el on 20) at 70', so no stacks, etc, here. I'd also suggest checking your feedline! Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
A propagation path (or lack thereof) can be highly localized at this point in the cycle. Although I have heard them at times (always working Europe or Japan when they can be heard here) thus far they have not moved my S meter. The numbers (propagation) have been quite poor, but more or less normal at this point in the cycle. I use three different propagation programs, 2 of which take into consideration station technical characteristics. None of them offer more than a very narrow window of opportunity to work them from this immediate area. For reference: The primary station here is an Icom 756 ProIII; 5 element monoband at 90 feet. The secondary station is an Icom 756 ProII with a Telrex TB6EM at 85 feet fixed on 315 degrees. i am in EM20ih. Good hunting! Dave, W5WP Jerry Keller wrote: BS7H was 5-5 to 5-7 much of the afternoon here in eastern PA, n a 3 el yagi. I'm surprised that they couldn't be heard in NJ, just a few miles east of my QTH. Must be something wrong with the antenna or the feedline. Or maybe an arrogant, ill-mannered attitude blocks the ears (as well as the head). 73, Jerry K3BZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H on 80M
They had a good signal into Colorado this morning. I heard several Stateside stations from CA to MN get through so they were being heard all over the western US. I hope they have as good a signal on 160M because now I think we stand a chance of hearing them on this band. It will probably be late in the DXpedition before they try TOP though. We have also been able to hear them easily on 20 and 17M so prop seems to favor this area. Haven't listened for them on 40M yet. 73, Charlie, W0YG.. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H on 80M
Guys, there is no antenna set up yet for 80...you must be working a slim. Don N1DG BS7H webmaster At 09:19 AM 4/30/2007, Charlie, W0YG wrote: They had a good signal into Colorado this morning. I heard several Stateside stations from CA to MN get through so they were being heard all over the western US. I hope they have as good a signal on 160M because now I think we stand a chance of hearing them on this band. It will probably be late in the DXpedition before they try TOP though. We have also been able to hear them easily on 20 and 17M so prop seems to favor this area. Haven't listened for them on 40M yet. 73, Charlie, W0YG.. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Don Greenbaum Aurum Telemedia Co. 27 Pill Hill Lane, Duxbury, MA 02332 phone: 781 934 5534 http://www.aurumtel.comhttp://www.aurumtel.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H on 80M
WFWL!!! On 4/30/07, Don Greenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, there is no antenna set up yet for 80...you must be working a slim. Don N1DG BS7H webmaster At 09:19 AM 4/30/2007, Charlie, W0YG wrote: They had a good signal into Colorado this morning. I heard several Stateside stations from CA to MN get through so they were being heard all over the western US. I hope they have as good a signal on 160M because now I think we stand a chance of hearing them on this band. It will probably be late in the DXpedition before they try TOP though. We have also been able to hear them easily on 20 and 17M so prop seems to favor this area. Haven't listened for them on 40M yet. 73, Charlie, W0YG.. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Don Greenbaum Aurum Telemedia Co. 27 Pill Hill Lane, Duxbury, MA 02332 phone: 781 934 5534 http://www.aurumtel.comhttp://www.aurumtel.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
BS7H sure was loud this morning. When he took a break from the JAs and asked for NA only, he only worked 1 or 2 and I don't think he heard any more. There were lots of us calling him, but the prop seemed to be one way. 73, Jerry K3BZ 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: N4BAA - Jose Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Good Morning! BS7 was rocking into Eastern VA this morningeven as I write he is still 569. He peaked 589/599 at 1215z this morning. Both CW and SSB they were nice and strong...but only listened for USA for 2-3 min max on SSB... Then went to EU...I am sure they have a plan ...let's hope they work the JA pile down a bit I am also sure patience will pay off! Good Hunting! Jose - N4BAA www.vadxcg.com Peter Dougherty wrote: At 06:34 AM 04/30/2007, Jerry Keller wrote: BS7H was 5-5 to 5-7 much of the afternoon here in eastern PA, n a 3 el yagi. I'm surprised that they couldn't be heard in NJ, just a few miles east of my QTH. Must be something wrong with the antenna or the feedline. Or maybe an arrogant, ill-mannered attitude blocks the ears (as well as the head). As another New Jersian, I can say they had a very readable signal most of the day on Sunday (when you could hear beneath the QRM). This morning they're about 53 (but perfectly copyable) as of 8:45am, short-path. I was able to hear them from the time they first showed up until about 3pm (Eastern time), then again from about 6:30 (weakly) on and off before I QSY'd to the TV at 8:30. All I have here is a C31XR (3 el on 20) at 70', so no stacks, etc, here. I'd also suggest checking your feedline! Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
The K index was 5 this morning and it is a polar path. K is now 1, so that should help... Barry W2UP Jerry Keller wrote: BS7H sure was loud this morning. When he took a break from the JAs and asked for NA only, he only worked 1 or 2 and I don't think he heard any more. There were lots of us calling him, but the prop seemed to be one way. 73, Jerry K3BZ 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: N4BAA - Jose Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Good Morning! BS7 was rocking into Eastern VA this morningeven as I write he is still 569. He peaked 589/599 at 1215z this morning. Both CW and SSB they were nice and strong...but only listened for USA for 2-3 min max on SSB... Then went to EU...I am sure they have a plan ...let's hope they work the JA pile down a bit I am also sure patience will pay off! Good Hunting! Jose - N4BAA www.vadxcg.com Peter Dougherty wrote: At 06:34 AM 04/30/2007, Jerry Keller wrote: BS7H was 5-5 to 5-7 much of the afternoon here in eastern PA, n a 3 el yagi. I'm surprised that they couldn't be heard in NJ, just a few miles east of my QTH. Must be something wrong with the antenna or the feedline. Or maybe an arrogant, ill-mannered attitude blocks the ears (as well as the head). As another New Jersian, I can say they had a very readable signal most of the day on Sunday (when you could hear beneath the QRM). This morning they're about 53 (but perfectly copyable) as of 8:45am, short-path. I was able to hear them from the time they first showed up until about 3pm (Eastern time), then again from about 6:30 (weakly) on and off before I QSY'd to the TV at 8:30. All I have here is a C31XR (3 el on 20) at 70', so no stacks, etc, here. I'd also suggest checking your feedline! Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Perhaps self discipline is a lost art. Certainly here in the UK, respect for other human beings are now a lost art, particularly in the cities where gangs of feral youths terrorize neighborhoods, vandalize anything in sight and stab of shoot each other. Education is long dead. Hello guys, I've been D.X.ing for about 16 years, and I couldn't agree more with the statement above. I sometime's feel we as the experienced hams are some what to blame a little for what's going on. Over the years I've seen, and heard many Elmer's , or more experienced hams not passing on proper operating procedural ham traditions to new hams. Nothing like I remember when I became a ham. Attitude's have changed, and everything because their afraid of being called a LID. Hah! Please! Some hams in the hobby 30-40 years want change so they've ignored proper operating edict cy for being hip, and cool with the new crowds that have no interest in R.F. Thus passing it too other hams down the line not having respect for other's and the hobbie. No different over sea's as well, and the d.x. cluster certainly has something to do with it but different subject to the whole respect thing. Very evident on VHF/UHF which if you think about it is where it all starts. This is my first response since I enrolled for receiving these e-mails. For the last 2 years all I do is read the e-mails we get, and read all the bashing going on. Surprise's me to see that so many are envious as too who hears them, and doesn't, and how many forget the oddity propagation exhibit's. All though regional propagation might be alike for ex: the U.K. having likeness propagation property's the New England state's here in the U.S. have. Like Southern, and Central Europe have compared to Southern, and central U.S. has. Even New York City, and Upstate New York where some have better chance at working d.x. just because of the altitude their at in upstate N.Y. also noting the low level of noise floor in comparison. We can go into axis of the earth, and Aurora over the North Pole to the central equatorial propagation properties. A good ham will be patient, and diligent. Calculating propagation, and knowing how to filter the noise. If intentional QRM'ing occur's there's not much one can do. Hmm! Wonder if Europe getting rid of CW, and U.S. getting rid of it has anything to do with the increase in malpractice operating and jamming? Everyone's prediction worst fear perhaps' coming true? Good Luck D.X. Guy's! N2RRA Eric ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
THE BS7H WAS STRONG HERE THIS AFTERNOON INTO NE USA, BUT WAS CALLING EU. I WAS VERY TEMPTED TO CALL HIM ANYWAY BUT LET IT GO. EVEN SO PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE BROKEN THROUGH EU PILE. WISH HE HAD LISTENED FOR NA AT THAT TIME. STILL, IT GIVES ME HOPE THAT IT MIGHT JUST BE POSSIBLE TO GET HIM AFTER ALL. JOHN - K2AZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H STRONG HERE
THE BS7H WAS STRONG HERE THIS AFTERNOON INTO NE USA, BUT WAS CALLING EU. I WAS VERY TEMPTED TO CALL HIM ANYWAY BUT LET IT GO. EVEN SO, PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE BROKEN THROUGH EU PILE BUT WISH HE HAD LISTENED FOR NA AT THAT TIME. STILL, IT GIVES ME HOPE THAT IT MIGHT JUST BE POSSIBLE TO GET HIM AFTER ALL. JOHN - K2AZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
He is 55 near Boston on short path. No copy on long path. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Maikisch Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:44 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA THE BS7H WAS STRONG HERE THIS AFTERNOON INTO NE USA, BUT WAS CALLING EU. I WAS VERY TEMPTED TO CALL HIM ANYWAY BUT LET IT GO. EVEN SO PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE BROKEN THROUGH EU PILE. WISH HE HAD LISTENED FOR NA AT THAT TIME. STILL, IT GIVES ME HOPE THAT IT MIGHT JUST BE POSSIBLE TO GET HIM AFTER ALL. JOHN - K2AZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
I saw that Boston callout. No way, Jose. My station -- not too puny --had ZERO copy when that Boston call came out. Pure BS IMO. The best I heard 'em was 52. Our Italian friends played cops on 20 meters. Someone even yelled at ME (when I was working split at 14201) yelling directly at ME! (on the DX freq 14185) N2ERN - working ones -- long after they were calling twos. What lids!!! You could just puke! At least I was in the split range!! I'll still be in there, but my band is 18 -- and I expect (hope) to work 'em there. I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! N2ERN Another reason for DX to call by numbers instead of geographical area.. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:51:16 -0400 He is 55 near Boston on short path. No copy on long path. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Maikisch Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:44 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA THE BS7H WAS STRONG HERE THIS AFTERNOON INTO NE USA, BUT WAS CALLING EU. I WAS VERY TEMPTED TO CALL HIM ANYWAY BUT LET IT GO. EVEN SO PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE BROKEN THROUGH EU PILE. WISH HE HAD LISTENED FOR NA AT THAT TIME. STILL, IT GIVES ME HOPE THAT IT MIGHT JUST BE POSSIBLE TO GET HIM AFTER ALL. JOHN - K2AZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org _ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say. I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency. On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not too worried. Yet g. I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of since you are so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours, and hold to it. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Punishing all operators from a particular region because a few misbehave just increases the frustation level and puts more QRM on the DX frequency. Its unfortunate that we must deal with such miscreants, but every region has their share. Like bad weather, they're always around somewhere. With the first day of a DXPedition to a rare entity falling on a weekend, the result is highly predictable. In the Complete DXer, Bob W9KNI says But sometimes, the experienced DX'er gets into a situation where it quickly becomes obvious that there is no hope of a QSO. And it is then the frustrated DX'er shows the world, or at least himself, what kind of person he is. Does he QSY, or does he cause needless or even intentional QRM? Does he update the propagation forecasts and check the NCDXF beacons, or does he steam up the hill with beady eyes blazing in search of anyone who'll listen to his latest rendition of ain't it awful?. DX is. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat List Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say. I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency. On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not too worried. Yet g. I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of since you are so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours, and hold to it. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Things will settle down give it a few days actually they are smart working the JA, EUs first give them something upfront and propagation will be even better for us This morning I was copying BS7H 579 short path here in Missouri its only gonna get better Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say. I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency. On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not too worried. Yet . I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of since you are so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours, and hold to it. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Michael W. Elliott, CISSP (Certified Information Security Specialist Professional) THE INSIDE ADVANTAGE - RETIREMENT - LEISURE, REST and ONLY ELECTRONIC MAIL PAYMENTS Servant to Bridgett, Collin and all my Creditors St. Louis County Missouri Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H...
...according to news this AM, the group is not under way yet... Anyone care to venture a guess wether the activity right now is them or not? Yea, yea WFWL But if it is them, working again later would be right. Jack Hartley K4WSB / VP2MSB ARRL - QCWA - OOTC DXCC Honor Roll Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
News from them have been strangely silent... maybe to keep the pirates at bay? At 02:10 PM 4/15/2007, Tom Wylie wrote: When does this start? tom gm4fdm Jack Hartley K4WSB / VP2MSB ARRL - QCWA - OOTC DXCC Honor Roll [] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orgattachment: amateur_radio.jpg
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
Hi Tom 73 Laurent F8BBL Source : http://www.rsgbiota.org/activate.php4 Expedition to: Scarborough Reef (AS-116) (where is this?) From 28 Apr 2007 until 05 May 2007 Callsign: BS7H. Operator(s): VARIOUS MULTINATIONAL QSL via: KU9C (Look up in QRZ.com) Comments: THE EXPEDITION TO THE RAREST DX ENTITY ON EARTH. See website above for full information. As of 13/4/07 exact start date is as yet unknown, but we are hearing End of April Submitted by: Edited by an administrator http://www.bs7h.com - Original Message - From: Tom Wylie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX-CHAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:10 PM Subject: **SPAM** [DX-CHAT] BS7H When does this start? tom gm4fdm Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: 14/04/2007 21:36 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H
How does a European donate via Paypal. It wont let me past as it does not recognise my telephone number not post code (we dont do zip codes)..Nor do I have a State? Tom GM4FDM - T33TW - TY4TW Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
Tom, When you are at the main screen, click on sign up for Paypal, then click on UK in the location dropdown box (Banaba and Benin aren't listed :.) ) and it should take to to a page with the appropriate fields. 73, Barry W2UP Tom Wylie wrote: How does a European donate via Paypal. It wont let me past as it does not recognise my telephone number not post code (we dont do zip codes)..Nor do I have a State? Tom GM4FDM - T33TW - TY4TW Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H
If the PayPal link is broken, ask N1DG. Look for his addr on the web page or QRZ.COM 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
