Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Families in Science - Balancing your personal
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Interesting observations, Robert H., perhaps summed up by the
metaphor The best steel goes through the fire. But what does it imply
for implementing social policy, or academic policy? Deliberately harsh
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Interesting observations, Robert H., perhaps summed up by the
metaphor The best steel goes through the fire. But what does it imply
for implementing social policy
. Jones
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...just out of curiosity...are some suggesting that people, in
particular, women, should not be surgeons or pediatricians or
line
Please, I'm not sure how it has come down to this but for the record: I
absolutely *do* support work/life balance initiatives and models that are
family (and couple and single-person)-positive, both inside and outside of
academia.
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jacquelyn Gill jlg...@wisc.edu
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Hi Karen,
The problem with this framework is that you risk guilting parents (usually
women) for choices
: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
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While putting
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While putting resources into science, including ecology, is of course a
wonderful, necessary, and valuable thing, assuredly
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While putting resources into science, including ecology, is of course
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While putting resources into science, including
- Balancing your personal
and professional life
While putting resources into science, including ecology, is of course a
wonderful, necessary, and valuable thing, assuredly supporting our own
families with our presence, time, and energy (and societal resources) is
at least as wonderful, necessary
: Robert Hamilton roberthamil...@alc.edu
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I must say that I find this conversation somewhat embarrassing, and hope
it never
of America: grants, jobs, news
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While putting resources into science, including
While putting resources into science, including ecology, is of course a
wonderful, necessary, and valuable thing, assuredly supporting our own
families with our presence, time, and energy (and societal resources) is at
least as wonderful, necessary, and valuable. Indeed, as many benefits as
flow
...however, why should the USA modify the system producing among the
best and most successful scientists in the world...
I would simply like to add a quick clarification. I struggled with how
to respond to this US-centric statement. There is no doubt that the
USA is a scientific powerhouse
Since we're at it, it did the same calculation for all four countries
ranked first in gender equality by the Global Gender Gap Report. All
four, as far as I remember, provide generous paternity leaves that
guarantee job security and can be shared between mother and father.
ISI indexed
This is not meant as a wet blanket, as I encourage family friendly employment
practices for all countries and for all occupations. But, I wonder how those
figures would look if all areas of science were considered? It may be that
smaller economies, and the Scandinavian countries in
many of us higher quality scientists I don't often post here but that is
about as arrogant a statement as I have read. It is that kind of thinking that
has made me distance myself from much of the ESA community. I have authored or
co-authored 30 papers and would never dream of casting myself
whether this is of
concern for future scholarly
achievement?
Best,
Christie
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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:41 PM
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Dear Ecologgers,
This discussion about family and science has been very interesting to follow.
Whether single or married, childless or not, everyone is entitled to and should
stand for nothing less than a balanced life - whatever that means to them. And
the definition of success is
Indeed, CR, what a lovely and mindful summary. I am reminded of
Bhutan's adoption of Gross National Happiness as an alternative Index to
Gross National Product(ion) as an example of the creative impact mindful
people can have on the collective whole, when the need for change is
noticed and
- Balancing your personal and
professional life
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Andres, do you have any ideas about how we can import that Finlandian model
to the U.S.? And how to get more universities and other employers in the
U.S. to recognize the need to provide for professional couples
lopezsepul...@gmail.com
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Andres, do you have any ideas about how we can import that Finlandian model
to the U.S.? And how to get more
-L] Families in Science - Balancing your personal and
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Andres, do you have any ideas about how we can import that Finlandian model
to the U.S.? And how to get more universities and other employers in the
U.S. to recognize the need to provide
To David's point regarding productivity:
http://www.salon.com/2012/03/14/bring_back_the_40_hour_work_week/
Don't worry if you refuse to work an 80 hour work week. You may be just as
productive as those working 40 hour weeks and still have time for family
and other pursuits.
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Date: Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:01 PM
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Andres, do you have any ideas about how we can import that Finlandian
model
- or late-stream...clara
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Andres
in Science - Balancing your personal and
professional life
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Andres, do you have any ideas about how we can import that Finlandian model
to the U.S.? And how to get more universities and other employers in the
U.S. to recognize the need to provide for professional couples
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Date: Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:01 PM
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Andres, do you have any ideas about how we can import that Finlandian
, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:01 PM
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Andres, do you have any ideas about how we can import that Finlandian model
to the U.S.? And how to get more universities and other employers
: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:13 AM
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What a great and important conversation to have. If any of us ever said,
however, that everything about any current system
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I think
Silvia is correct ; science is a male system, created by males, for males. It
won't change easily, and it has changed very little in the 25 years of my
career, despite efforts to increase the participation of women in science.
Women who choose to have a family (and men who invest equally) are
In my experience, it all depends on the country and how easy funding
agencies, research institutions and governments make it. I have
experience in several countries: Spain, USA, France and Finland. They
each have their good and bad points on that respect. Fore example,
while the USA and
Rachel, I believe that the relative success of combining family life and work
life is similar for scientists and other highly intensive occupations. It is
simply a matter of how individuals manage, their temperaments and their
abilities to deal with stress when it arises, as it inevitably
Andres, do you have any ideas about how we can import that Finlandian model to
the U.S.? And how to get more universities and other employers in the U.S. to
recognize the need to provide for professional couples? Thanks, David
Andres Lopez-Sepulcre lopezsepul...@gmail.com wrote:
In my
Andres, do you have any ideas about how we can import that
Finlandian model to the U.S.? And how to get more universities and
other employers in the U.S. to recognize the need to provide for
professional couples? Thanks, David
Ufff... this discussion may become more political than
I am struggling with this. I finished my MS in Wildlife Biology when my
baby was 7 months. She's going on 15 months now and I haven't been able to
find any work in my field. I'm limited to a job that has no travel and is
in town where my husband has his job and we have our house. This makes
One problem not addressed here so far is that science is very competitive
for jobs, publication, and grants. Let us imagine two young scientists
with similar intelligence and education beginning their careers:
Case 1. This person has a spouse who assumes most of the responsibility in
the
In this era of an extremely high number of spousal hirings, who is
considering Case 3. The scientist with no spouse? or even Case 4. The
scientist with a non-academic spouse, or Case 5. The scientist with no
spouse BUT does have children?
Who looks out for the unmarried in our society?
On
I've been thinking of chiming in before and will do so now.
As someone who is now a grandmother, I can say yes - you can do it all,
but not exactly all at the same time. Kids do not stay babies that long.
You can cut back when they are, and when your kids are a bit older, you
can plunge back into
: [ECOLOG-L] Families in Science - Balancing your personal and
professional life
One problem not addressed here so far is that science is very competitive
for jobs, publication, and grants. Let us imagine two young scientists
with similar intelligence and education beginning their careers:
Case 1
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