Thank you Greg, Joe and Richard, you solved my problem.
In fact, the DATA MD setting was different on the lower bands for some reason.
Actually I didn't know that this setting is band dependent.
I checked the manual again and didn't find any remark to this respect in the
Data Modes chapter.
How about this you QRP freaks :-)
From the FISTS Group:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UqqYZUw6wY
Vy 73, Bob DJ0RD/WU5T
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Ladies, gentlemen, and all the other species of HAM community,
I apologize for such aggressive and somewhat insulting subject of my
posting. But after reading all the why I purchased Elecraft radio reasons
I felt like chirping in.
I like radios, I like to find out what I can do with it. I like
*Interesting comment.
BUT, I didn't spend my hard earned dollars to 'build' something just for the
pleasure of building.
I bought my K3 to USE it.
Same reason I bought all my previous radios. Building something from scratch
is fun and yes you learn a heck of a lot from the experience...to each
As you said - to each his own...
As long as we recognize the fun of using a radio to be separate form the fun
of building a radio we are agreeing with each other.
And, also, thank you for reading my words so early in the Sunday mornin...
night?
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Gary Gregory
interesting comment!
if you want to use one of the best radios around, I really don't get why it is
so
important that you BUILD the rig. Hopefully the END product is more important
than the process used to get there. if not, then I guess you will miss out on
using
one of the best radios around.
Hello Alexey,
Very good that you have put up such an agressive title.
No worry, we often hear opinions from the opposite side in this mail
reflector.
I like to build as well and the building process will give me the
chance to understand more about the architecture of modern radio.
Allen, you misunderstood me. I have no problem with using owning K3 - it the
best radio I around, no matter which day you ask it. My problem is with K3
in its kit form. I don't have a problem buying it as an assembled radio.
But I have a problem with buying it as a kit and then claiming that I
Thank you, I agree, the price of basic K3 is in the same range as of loaded
K2 (a bit more, but still comparable). The thing is I like to BUILD stuff,
and I always compare the cost of buying equipment against the fun of
building it with my own two hands.
So, when it comes down to
I have also found that my SP productivity has improved dramatically using
the P3 both on CW and RTTY. It's a big advantage when tuning up or down the
band to be able to see what is happening ahead of you.
On RTTY I will usually line up the marker on the next signal and jump to it
with the
Since this seems to be gripe day, allow me to toss one more on the pile.
:-)
I note that it would appear that the Linux and Mac versions of the K3
utility are becoming third class citizens. The Windows version has been
updated as of January 8 but the Linux and Mac versions still languish at
Sept
Alexy,
When we first started designing the K3, we agonized over the question
of whether to offer a full kit version -- one that required a lot of
soldering. But it quickly became apparent that this was incompatible
with other goals for the radio. We needed to use surface-mount devices
I think you must regress one further stage if you want to claim that you
built something and that is to also design it.
What is being discussed here is really assembly of parts to make a finished
product designed by someone else, with the argument being over how much
assembly is left to the
George,
Thanks for the settings you quoted below on your mic. Yes, my mic actually
works and I am learning that my errors may be in thinking that I do not have
to talk close to the mic.
I am continuing to experiment today but it will have to wait, taking my wife
out on a bird photography trip
Don,
Actually, I do have an MC-60A here I guess. It definitely does have the
preamp, the battery pack underneath and so on but the mic label on the base
says MC-60. I read somewhere on the Internet that the A model is not
identified by the label on the base.
There is a part of your message
You now have
the distinction of being #3 on my list of those who like the idea of
building their own advanced radio completely from scratch, should we
ever have the courage to explore that path :)
make that 4! it could be called the K4 and 4 feet in width
wt5y
No offense meant (seriously), but I'm not sure why your definition of
build it yourself must include soldering, which I perceive as just as
mechanical operation as tightening screws. Yes ... it is a different
skill requiring dexterity and care, especially in the case of surface
mount
Phil,
Actually, you can check out the wiring as well as I can. Schematics and
pinout information has been complied on many microphones by G4WPW and
can be found at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rg4wpw/date.html - this is
a wonderful resource for anyone contemplating use of a microphone that
David,
Each to his own, but here are some of my thoughts on the subject:
I have long thought that providing a kit with a board for construction
took much of the thrill out of building a project. For that reason I
prefer manhatten construction or ugly construction for my small
projects, it
Yes, I may plan to do that if I decide to keep this mic. The price is OK and I
am leaning towards buying it because if I did not want to keep the mic I could
probably recover my cost by selling it.
phil
On Mar 6, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
Phil,
The K3 provides voltage
You are not alone Alexey. And while some say that if we don't design our
rigs from scratch we really aren't doing anything more than soldering parts
together, G. Marconi himself merely modified and assembled off-the-shelf
components already known to many scientists to create the first practical
Hi All,
No criticism of Elecraft as I am a convert to the K3 but building your
own means home brew not building a kit. Heathkits, were always fun and yes
you learned something from the step by step assembly but never so much as
you learned from scrounging exchange parts, laying out the
Coming late to this thread -
Phil, don't use the preamp. You do not need it. Open up the mic base and wire
around it. It can be a source of RFI. My MIC level is 29, the impedance
switch on the mic is at 500 ohms, and I get good audio reports on my MC-60A.
The up/down buttons are useful on
If you don't start from Maxwell's equations you're just an appliance
operator. ;-)
jim
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etc. You're not allowed to use tools for mixing. Fingers, only -- Frozen
Logger style.
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Don't think of it as a kit. Just consider that Elecraft offered you a way to
save $200 by doing some of
the labor that they would have to do on your part.
They built the subassemblies, they incorporated into the design a way to do an
automatic alignment
(an amazing thing to see in action,
Subject: Humour
An American fighter plane was flying over Afghanistan when he
noticed a flying carpet on each side of his plane, both with
a machine gunner on board. Sensing danger he shot them down.
Back at base he got a right bollocking – apparently they were Allied
Jim, You have it right.
73 Doug EI2CN
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If you
When I am on the 10 meter band I get carriers across the band about s3-5.
28.662 ,29.177 ,29,360 ,29.414, 29.485, 29.545, 29.600, 29.660, 29.785, 29.905
an so on. What would cause this?
Chris W7CTH
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a slip of my ancient fingers!
Elecraft rules ok, by the way.
73 Robert G3RCE, K3 3804 etc
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What nonsense! Not all of us have engineering training, but we deserve
better than a sneer as appliance operators. There's a lot beyond
appliance operating in practical station design and engineering that
requires neither calculus nor a B.S.
73, Pete N4ZR
The World Contest Station Database,
Alexey Kats wrote:
With K1, K2, KX1 I learned a lot from its schematics, I was able to
figure out what went wrong if something went wrong (just to prove to
myself that it was me who was an idiot).
From personal experience, the K3 can offer all of that ;-)
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73 from Ian GM3SEK
The Frozen Logger I knew about stirred with his thumb, so why are
fingers allowed? :-)
73,
Don W3FPR
On 3/6/2011 1:57 PM, John Ragle wrote:
It's Air, Earth, Fire, and Water, boys! Make your own glass, plastic,
etc. You're not allowed to use tools for mixing. Fingers, only -- Frozen
Logger
Conditions weren't great, but they could have been worse. Many stations
were experiencing QRM from the contest. We had 19 participants over a 17
minute net, with no discussions. Thank you to all who hung in there. Here
is the list of participants.
Station NameQTH Rig S/N
For all the youngsters out there, we used to have this conversation ad
nauseum on the Ham bands back in the 1950's when Appliance Operators were
sneered at - no matter that their rigs were Collins, Hallicrafters,
National, etc., that usually worked much better than our home brew
creations.
There
Thank you to the Lister who started the thread about why I bought a
K3. And equal thanks to Alexy for his recent posting on why I won't
buy a K3.
Both of those threads helped me make up my mind once and for all. The
order was placed, the enter button was hit, the REF # came back, and now
I
For real homebrewing in the eyes of some, you can make your own
transistors as demonstrated by Jeri Ellesworth.
Repeat it a few million times and you have the raw material for an I.C.
(once you figure out how to hook 'em all together , Hi!)
I changed the title.
For the majority of hams Johnny is correct in his statement (below).
I am trained to do sm repair and retired a little over a year
ago. But I was relieved that I would not have a several-month
assembly project like the K2, when I chose the K3-kit. Three days
with
Stan,
You won't regret the K3 - the dog, well I'm not so sure about that! :-)
Our Jack Russell drives me bonkers, although I live in Jack Russell land,
the breed was first bred just a mile along the road from here by the Revd
Jack Russell.
I've bought my wife some nice antique earrings for her
We want you to make a video of the dog repainting the downstairs, hanging the
ceiling fan and fixing the toilet. That was the tradeoff, right?
Welcome to the K3 world!
Jack Brindle, W6FB
On Mar 6, 2011, at 1:45 PM, stan levandowski wrote:
Thank you to the Lister who started the thread about
I found it ! It is my wireless network that is going it.
Chris W7CTH
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Stephen, I spent my career in business and negotiation is how things get
done in business. I began buttering her up a while back. Offering to
cook supper, taking her out for Sunday breakfast, cleaning the
bathrooms, etc. After a period of this indirect approach I then cut a
cardboard box
*Jack,
You forgot we also want to see him/her serving a nice hot cuppa for the 'Man
of the house'? (that last bit was truly tongue in cheek)
73's
Gary
*
On 7 March 2011 08:03, Jack Brindle jackbrin...@earthlink.net wrote:
We want you to make a video of the dog repainting the downstairs,
Thank you all very much for your responses. I got lots of very interesting
perspectives on my hobby.
I guess I am simply too old-fashioned and don't like pre-assembled SMD
boards. Well, back to the drawing board I go...
Nevertheless, thank you all, I appreciate it.
--
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Stan,
Definitely a stroke of genius. I mean, the painting would have made
your life miserable for a couple of days on the outside, and the Jack
Russell will make your life miserable for the next 12 years. But
you're going to fall in love with the little critter after a few
weeks, and then it'll
Hello all,
I have a couple of questions on the K2 front panel assembly . First, is it
necessary to solder the clips that hold the potentiometers to the PC board.
Second, I'm getting ready to install J1 and I noticed that pin 1 on the PC
board has a round pad, but I did not notice any difference
Gang,
I installed a DVR3 recorder in my K3 a week or so ago and am very displeased
with the quality of the recordings.There is a fluttering or motor-boating noise
in the background that becomes louder with the recording of a voice. It is so
bad that I will not put it out on the air. It is even
Hi all not to get off the build or not to build I was wondering if some one
can tell me the dimesions of the K3 and panadaptor length hight depth. I
need to build a new console and desk and want a custom fit. Thanks Martin
N1KGP 73
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Gary Gregory garyvk...@gmail.com
Stan,
That's brilliant, your strategy and patience brought the results in the
end. Please don't take offence, but I'm going to have to delete this
email now in case it ever falls into the wrong hands!!
Seriously, I've had my K3 (#980) now for over two years and I still like
it a lot. I've
I have always wondered how he condensed the original twenty equations in
twenty unknowns down to just four of them. The quaternions he used
initially were out a favor with the physics community of the day so he
needed to get them into vector form. Heaviside did a good job but how do
you
Wayne,
I totally understand that the idea of making a large SMD project as a kit
would be a disaster - only handful of people would be able to finish
assembling it, plus the sheer cost of packing parts and replacing
missing/lost pieces would probably double the average real-life cost of the
kit
Ed,
It is not electrically necessary to solder the clips on the
potentiometers, but is highly recommended. Soldering those to the board
will provide additional mechanical stability to the controls.
The round pad normally designates the pin 1 position (and it is easy to
overlook soldering
how do you characterize a system with twenty unknowns in four equations?
It's called generalization. Compare it with Newton's law for gravity - even
though the size, shape, and movement of objects does play its role the law
is not concerned with them and still adequately describes the effect of
Ok Jack, here's your 45 seconds of proof that I'm on the level:
Wife, dog, cardboard K3 cutout -- the whole nine yards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esIk3jhJr6M
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Jack Brindle wrote:
We want you to make a video of the dog...
If you feel that you can not buy a K3 because there is no soldering involved
then order one. Don't forget you have to solder the two Anderson power pole
connectors to connect it to your power supply ;o)
Took me two bowl games and one playoff game to build K3 #5057 P3 #1000
(including the
Nothing is being hidden away! The 20 quantities you mention are not
independent, and by a bit of manipulation one can set up the description
in terms of a set of equations which contain the same information but
not redundantly.
John Ragle -- W1ZI
=
On 3/6/2011 5:56 PM, Alexey Kats wrote:
EV (ElectroVoice) had several good paging and two way dispatch
mics over the years. Most are discontinued but there are still
a couple mics with PTT and some of the Broadcast/Performance mics
include cough switches that can be configured for PTT.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 3/4/2011 9:49 PM,
Are you sure that data mode is FSK D on the lower bands?
The K3 stores the data sub-mode independently for each
band, make sure you are set for the same sub-mode (AFSK A
or FSK D) as you have configured in MMTTY.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 3/5/2011 9:51 PM, Axel Kaiser wrote:
I am having
You do need to speak close to the mic when transmitting, it is
designed for that kind of use.
All of the Kenwood dynamic mics (desk or hand) have similar sensitivity
based on the specifications ... between -69 and -71 dB at 500 - 600
Ohms. That indicates they are designed for close talking
Phil,
The K3 provides voltage on pin 6 but the MC-60 expects
voltage on pin 5. What I don't understand is IF I were to rewire
this so that the voltage was placed on pin 5 (I assume I would do
this within the base itself and not rewire the actual connector) then
do I create a problem for
Alexey,
Welcome to the world of SMD. Are you prepared to sit down and solder a 45 pin
SMD processor to a board? I'm sorry, but there's just no way for that to
happen. I think that perhaps you can find some enjoyment in doing the Mods to
the rig as time rolls on. For example, I took my
That's one of the main reasons I don't have one yet. That and the low
sunspot cycle, and taking down my quad off of the roof. :)
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BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte
I think the video shows something else. Sue is a keeper. No wonder you got her
Cocoa!
But we expect the next video to show Cocoa doing the painting... ;-)
GL with the K3. It's not much heavier than the box but is MUCH more useful as
snagging DX. But the next add-on will be heavier. I predict a
Hello
My K2 kit seems to missing the spacers used to install the diffuser. I have
looked through the part bags but have not found them. Any ideas where they
might be hiding?
73,
Ed KE7HGA
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B***h, b***h, b***h!
;)73 Bill NZ0T
It's OK everyone - I know this guy.
Nate Bargmann wrote:
Since this seems to be gripe day, allow me to toss one more on the pile.
:-)
I note that it would appear that the Linux and Mac versions of the K3
utility are becoming third class
Jeff Kinzli N6GQ wrote:
I have a newer K2/100 (5000's serial number) with KDSP2, KIO2 and
KNB2. I find that it sits on my desk and I don't use it, so I'm
looking to sell and invest in more antennas.
[snip]
I'm open to reasonable offers. I don't know what it is worth.
The usual approach to
On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 01:52:09PM -0500 I heard the voice of
Jim Miller, and lo! it spake thus:
If you don't start from Maxwell's equations you're just an appliance
operator. ;-)
What, you're using PRE-ASSEMBLED photons?!
In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the
Kevin and all,
Check out the wiki page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations
and about halfway down look for the section named A Dynamical Theory of
the Electromagnetic Field where it talks a little about it. In short,
Cartesian vs vector!
73,
Mike ab3ap
On 03/06/11 17:37,
*Nothing* heard in FL.
73, Mike NF4L
On 3/6/2011 3:50 PM, Phillip Shepard wrote:
Conditions weren't great, but they could have been worse. Many stations
were experiencing QRM from the contest. We had 19 participants over a 17
minute net, with no discussions. Thank you to all who hung in
I could not find the original equations on that site. Just the normal
sets which are beaten into us as undergrads. Where are the twenty
quaternion equations which Maxwell created initially? Not the ones by
Gibbs and Heaviside but the ones crafted by Maxwell?
Kevin. KD5ONS
On Sun,
Alexey,
Welcome to the world of SMD. Are you prepared to sit down and solder a 45
pin SMD processor to a board? I'm sorry, but there's just no way for that
to happen. ...
Michael
N6MQL
I've replaced many such components in the field with nothing more than some
diagonal cutters, a solder
Ed,
Do you have the switch spacing tool (a piece of PC Board)? The spacers
are break-off parts of that tool. Keep the rest and add the components
from the Probe kit envelope to that board and you will have an RF probe
if it is ever needed.
73,
Don W3FPR
On 3/6/2011 6:53 PM, EMD wrote:
* On 2011 06 Mar 18:02 -0600, NZ0T wrote:
B***h, b***h, b***h!
;)73 Bill NZ0T
It's OK everyone - I know this guy.
Taken in the humor intended, Bill. :-)
For the record, I received a private reply from David, W4SMT, who is the
author in question. Understandably, he has had real
Hi Don,
I had the experience with KDVR3 in my past K3 and current K3. Both did not
give problems like yours. Before going back to the gentleman in elecraft
support, please just recheck your installation process, and tightening the
connectors etc.
The only difference between the old and new
I think the dog and the K3 weigh about the same... My wife is getting a new
dog too. We agreed that I get an upgrade to my K3 if she gets another dog since
the dog will cost much more in the long run. I can't decide if I want the
second receiver or a P3. BTW, I like Stan's shack, I am trying
Just FYI,
http://www.amazon.com/Students-Guide-Maxwells-Equations/dp/0521701473/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1299458530sr=8-1
if you are looking for a reference, this is one I purchased last summer.
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Kevin Rock kev...@coho.net wrote:
I could not find the
I found the original, 1873 version of Maxwell's equations. The four space
quaternion versions not the Gibbs - Heaviside mapping on to three space.
Yes, something was lost in translation. Very interesting book.
http://posner.library.cmu.edu/Posner/books/pages.cgi?call=537_M46T_1873_VOL._1
Doug has it right.
Home built means accumulating the parts and assembling them. A kit
has the parts packaged for you by someone else, usually with a
premade board and instructions. The K3-kit satisfies that
description but is closer to the manufactured end of the kit spectrum.
But I do not
I found them:) so never mind but thanks anyhow.
73,
Ed KE7HGA
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Thanks Don,
I figured I was missing something somewhere so I went back to the part of
the manual where I used that spacing tool and figured it out from there. I
do have another question on the diffuser. I did not remove backing on
either side of the it. It looks like the LCD is placed on top
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Alexey Kats alexeyk...@gmail.com wrote:
how do you characterize a system with twenty unknowns in four equations?
It's called generalization...
Well, it's true that Maxwell had a tendency to generalize, but we mustn't
condemn him: he had Demons
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Steve WU9B wrote:
I like Stan's shack, I am trying to figure out where it is in his
home. 73 WU9B Steve
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Steve, here is a non-public video that will
OK, so I finished the build yesterday, and today, after I built another
BNC-PL259 cable so I could hook it up, I did the performance tests.
Everything seems OK, except the transmit power display tests. The T1
shows the correct power level, but the K3 indicates at 10:1 SWR during
the power
Reduced to 2200 ...
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I know the book says 14V, but what is the REAL by-gosh MAX supply
voltage. I have a dandy supply from some sort of computer
that puts out between 15 and 16V no-load and want to know if it is
safe to use at home.
I just picked up the unit from a local who is going into a rest home
and essentially
The amazing thing is he didn't have the electron! Everything he did was based
on mechanical wave models until he reached radiation. That's where Maxwell's
imagination AND understanding of the body of electrical knowledge lead to the
more than twenty equations that made up his electromagnetic
How right you are, Kevin! I went through part of the Principia with my physics
professor as an independent study. Newton's version of calculus is nearly
impossible to understand and I wonder how many natural philosphers in his day
could read it. Of course try introducing diff equations to the
Ed,
Remove nothing from the diffuser except the packing foam.
73,
Don W3FPR
On 3/6/2011 7:55 PM, EMD wrote:
Thanks Don,
I figured I was missing something somewhere so I went back to the part of
the manual where I used that spacing tool and figured it out from there. I
do have another
I have another question on the K2 front panel. The manual states not to
remove the backing from either side of the diffuser. So I take it the LCD
is placed on top of the backing material of the diffuser since there is no
mention of removing the material.
73,
Ed KE7HGA
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I have built 2 K3s. I have had to take more pieces apart on some complex
radios
to fix them than there is in a K3 kit!!
George, W6GF
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Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 1:22:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft]
This is an outstanding reference and it is written by a disciple of the great
antenna guru, John Kraus (also an amateur op and a very famous radio
astronomer).
WR9H
Herb
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 16:44:56 -0800
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To: kev...@coho.net
CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
It's been done. K1EP brought his in about 1.5 years ago - it was the first
time I'd used one. We worked about 5 or 6t stations during a YCCC meeting
at HQ.
-Rex-
K1HI
Rex Lint
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WWW.QRZ.COM/db/k1hi
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From:
Ross,
Who knows what the L and C values are that are in your T1 until you do a
TUNE. The incication of a low SWR when the T1 is in bypass indicates
that there is residual reactance when in non-bypass. Doing a TUNE
should straighten things out. The settings are remembered by band, so
do a
Reading the Principia is also a chore. Interesting though.
Kevin.
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 18:03:29 -0800, Herb Case herbc...@msn.com wrote:
The amazing thing is he didn't have the electron! Everything he did was
based on mechanical wave models until he reached radiation. That's where
Alan,
I would suggest that you respect the manufacturer's maximum voltage
unless you want to take responsibility for you actions.
Yes, most any voltage may work, but there is a breakdown point
somewhere, and if you increase the voltage gradually, you will find that
point for your K3 - it
Hello Don,
The KDVR3 will give faithful reproduction if you will clear your TXEQ of all
settings and set them to zero. Your TXEQ is in the circuit when you
rebroadcast the off-the-air recording. This means the rebroadcast signal is
being shaped by whatever TXEQ settings you are using causing
OK, I was just reminded that the question was about the KX1 and not
the K3, but the same point applies to any piece of electronic equipment,
no matter what the model designation may be. Apply higher than the
specified voltage at your own peril.
73,
Don W3FPR
On 3/6/2011 9:22 PM, Don
First time I used the CM-500 headset in a contest. In the past I used a Heil
Pro headset. My ears were always sore after the test due to the pressure on
my ears. (Maybe it is my big head?)
One advantage of the CM-500 is that it doesn't put pressure on the ears.
Rather it surrounds the ears.
Prehistory:
I had built a number of other kits dating back to the Heath/Knight
Kit days, including some of the smaller Elecraft kits. Also had an Orion.
I built a K2. Was very pleased with it. Chose it because of the
technical and customer support reputations of of the Elecraft founders.
Interesting discussion. Gives me an idea.
We'll soon be announcing a very cool new test instrument (it's the same size as
our T1 antenna tuner but not related to it in any way). We'll give one of these
to whoever can suggest, by next Thursday, the most plausible alternative to
11-dimensional
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