Re: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST

2016-09-16 Thread Phil Wheeler
And you have to wonder how much noise that generator produces when receiving. Phil W7OX On 9/16/16 7:11 PM, Joe Lynch wrote: The Honda generator provides the electromagnetic energy to energize the MFJ-1788. On Friday, September 16, 2016 9:48 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST

2016-09-16 Thread Kevin
Ditto. On 9/16/2016 8:46 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: It looks nothing like an "ancient Yaesu"...because is a Kenwood TS-830S, introduced in 1980. To this day it's one of the best hybrid-design ham transceivers ever made. It has two S2001A (equivalent to 6146B) tubes in the PA for 220 W PEP SSB,

Re: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST

2016-09-16 Thread Joe Lynch
The Honda generator provides the electromagnetic energy to energize the MFJ-1788. On Friday, September 16, 2016 9:48 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: It looks nothing like an "ancient Yaesu"...because is a Kenwood TS-830S, introduced in 1980.  To this day it's one of the

Re: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST

2016-09-16 Thread Phil Wheeler
Good rig ID, Mike. Yes the TS-830S was a fine rig. And it looks like his mic is the MC-60A. You have to wonder about the wisdom of running even 100 Watts into the MFJ loop while sitting that close to it. 73, Phil W7OX On 9/16/16 6:46 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: It looks nothing like an

Re: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST

2016-09-16 Thread Mike Morrow
It looks nothing like an "ancient Yaesu"...because is a Kenwood TS-830S, introduced in 1980. To this day it's one of the best hybrid-design ham transceivers ever made. It has two S2001A (equivalent to 6146B) tubes in the PA for 220 W PEP SSB, 180 W CW. Ham bands (including WARC) only. Gotta

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
> Consider a baritone against a soprano on the same settings. I think > we need to hear from Jim on how they adjust the mixer settings for > each person, news or music The way EQ settings are adjusted in a recording studio or FM broadcast (where one is concerned with 20 Hz to 15 or 20 KHz)

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
I was not going to "chime in" on this thread because that "horse" has been thoroughly beat to death in the past. Let's face it, a small speaker like that used in the K3/K3S is not going to produce astounding bass and since it faces upwards away from your ears, the high frequency sounds are

Re: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST

2016-09-16 Thread Joe Reed
That was mighty lame. From the photo it looks like an ancient Yaesu. Hence the need for the Honda generator. But hey, he got his 15 minutes of fame, along with unending mockery. Perhaps a bit of grog with his "sustenance"? What I find more annoying is the ARRL didn't vet the photo first

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Mel Farrer via Elecraft
Joe and all, Isn't this where the rubber hits the road?  That is while your EQ settings are OK  It does not address the audio spectrum generated by the speaker.  Consider a baritone against a soprano on the same settings.  I think we need to hear from Jim on how they adjust the mixer

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
EQ settings here: SSB: -16, -16, -6, 0, 0, +3, +5, -6 CW: -16, -3, 0, 0, 0, -6, -10, -12 SSB setting are designed to roll off low frequency QRM, provide some "presence" in the 1200-2800 Hz range essential for intelligibility and roll off high frequency hiss, noise and QRM. Those who

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Jim Brown
Hi Bill, One thing we learned many years ago in pro audio is that in general, it's a bad idea to use "boost" EQ, especially to boost a lot of bands, and to boost them a lot. The reason is "headroom" -- when you're boosting a lot, you're more likely to hit digital clip on audio peaks. I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri,9/16/2016 3:37 PM, Augie "Gus" Hansen wrote: AM 6 kHz or so eq'd circuit. In the OLD days when AM was still the "big dog" and FM was a license to lose money, the station I worked for had a telephone link to the transmitter equalized to 10 kHz. 73, Jim K9YC

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Bill
* *Menu settings used at W2BLC for armchair copy on 160/75/40 meters:* * The following are the settings I am using on 40, 75, 160 for armchair copy (meaning very reduced hiss and no ANF warbling). My RX audio goes through amplified Behringer studio speakers with bass/treble adjustments.

Re: [Elecraft] Regarding K3 12v RCA rear socket - many thanks

2016-09-16 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
On Friday, September 16, 2016, Robin Moseley wrote: > RCA sockets are designed to grip the centre pin at 4mm inserion.. the > standard pin length is 8.5mm Hmm. Then how do you account for http://www.farnell.com/cad/436556.pdf?_ga=1.267275786.520606856.1474066281 pin

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Kevin
I rest my case. I think if you blindfold someone and tell them their listening to a K3(s) they'd come back with the same "it sounds like %$@!" answer even if it was another manu's rig they were listening to. It's a self sustaining urban legend now. On 9/16/2016 2:18 PM, Greg wrote: When I

Re: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST

2016-09-16 Thread Dave Richards
Perhaps it was a very early pre-production model, before they had finished miniaturizing it sufficiently :-) Dave AA7EE On 9/16/2016 12:44 PM, Bob N3MNT wrote: In text for "A Radio by the Barbie" on page 20 of OCT QST the radio is listed as a KX3, however radio in photo is definitely not a

Re: [Elecraft] K2 Control Problem

2016-09-16 Thread Eric J
Thanks, Don. That fixed it. I remember the KIO2 manual (I think) saying to check that after making the Control Board mod, but the mod had been done 10 years ago (by you. hi), and I guess I decided to follow my nose down a wrong turn instead of asking for directions. This K2 is used mostly for

Re: [Elecraft] Regarding K3 12v RCA rear socket - many thanks

2016-09-16 Thread Robin Moseley
RCA sockets are designed to grip the centre pin at 4mm inserion.. the standard pin length is 8.5mm __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Augie "Gus" Hansen
Hi Jim, ... It's all very simple physics. Look at the size of the loudspeaker. Its low frequency output is limited by its size as a fraction of a wavelength. The K3 and K3S are designed as compact, light weight radios. The speaker used is quite good for its size. If you want big bass, you

Re: [Elecraft] K2 Control Problem

2016-09-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
Eric, Yes, you can swap the Control Boards between the 2 K2s for that test. Just don't get them mixed up and do not change any of the menu or calibration settings in the process. The EEPROM values are for the K2 that it was aligned with! It may be easier than that - Has this K2 lost its

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Walter Underwood
It would still be nice to see some examples. A while back, a bunch of people posted their TX EQ settings. Some were outliers, but a few were very similar. It was clear that about a third of those posted had come to pretty much the same settings. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj

Re: [Elecraft] Additional Elecraft talk in November in Southern California

2016-09-16 Thread David Christ
Pity it isn’t available to those of us in more rural areas. Wish it could be filmed an put on Utube. David K0LUM Iowa > On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Fri,9/16/2016 12:30 PM, David Shoaf wrote: >> Looking forward to November, we'll also be

Re: [Elecraft] Regarding K3 12v RCA rear socket - many thanks

2016-09-16 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
There also is an issue that caused me a lot of grief until I figured it out: some pins on RCA plugs are not long enough to contact the tongues on some RCA jacks. This could be an issue with the shoulders of the jacks or the shape of the shell of the plug. But the result is that the pin just

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri,9/16/2016 7:20 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: High frequencies propagate in a straight line from a speaker, so a speaker facing upward loses 'presence'. Also the K3 speaker is a small speaker in a small box. An external speaker, facing the operator, will help a great deal. This is exactly

Re: [Elecraft] How low (V) can the K3 go?

2016-09-16 Thread Chris Kimball
Just to complete the picture, I was away from the test for a bit and came back to find the K3 turned off. It came right back when a reasonable voltage was applied. Very likely, the voltage got too low at one point in the transmission and sent the internal computer down. When it's down, you're

Re: [Elecraft] Additional Elecraft talk in November in Southern California

2016-09-16 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri,9/16/2016 12:30 PM, David Shoaf wrote: Looking forward to November, we'll also be in Southern California at the SoCal DX Club meeting November 10th. The topic is, "Emerging Remote Architectures for Ham Radio". I heard David give this excellent talk to the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Mark E. Musick
Remember RX EQ settings are by mode. One for CW and one for SSB. Also, has already been mentioned, the settings that suit your taste for audio quality may not suit anyone else. Mark, WB9CIF -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich

[Elecraft] K2 Control Problem

2016-09-16 Thread Eric J
K2 s/n 567 has gone deaf to I/O access. It's current for mods. Everything else in the radio seems to work fine. VFOs tune, all switch functions appear to work, Port is ON, etc. If I connect it to the EC2-mounted KPA100, operating the power output knob causes the Low/High Power LEDs to indicate

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Rich
Would you be kind enough to post your EQ values? Rich K3RWN On 9/16/2016 15:18 PM, Greg wrote: When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 speaker to go with it. A friend who also has a FT1000D told me he thought the K3 sounded like "$#@%" compared to the FT1000D...so I

[Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST

2016-09-16 Thread Bob N3MNT
In text for "A Radio by the Barbie" on page 20 of OCT QST the radio is listed as a KX3, however radio in photo is definitely not a KX3. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-KX3-wannabe-in-photo-of-Qct-QST-tp7622551.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list

Re: [Elecraft] Additional Elecraft talk in November in Southern California

2016-09-16 Thread David Shoaf
Looking forward to November, we'll also be in Southern California at the SoCal DX Club meeting November 10th. The topic is, "Emerging Remote Architectures for Ham Radio". Cheers, David - David Shoaf K3/KX3 International

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Greg
When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 speaker to go with it. A friend who also has a FT1000D told me he thought the K3 sounded like "$#@%" compared to the FT1000D...so I hooked the K3 up to the second input on the SP5 and switched back and forth between the FT1000D and

[Elecraft] FS: KX3/PX3

2016-09-16 Thread Tim Cook
Radio and camping is turning out to be not as much fun as I remember so I'm selling the KX3/PX3 I bought for that purpose. KX3 serial number 76XX (factory assembled) ATU Bandpass filter KXPD3 Paddle Charger/clock MH3 Mic BNC-BP binding post Manual and power cord PX3 serial 15XX

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Edward R Cole
PS: I have just gotten new hearing aids that have bluetooth capability. Soon will try using the audio appliance to interface with headphone output of the K3, which will eliminate all speakers (if it works well). It works well when used with my iphone, so likely will be nice for working

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Fred Jensen
A recurring theme on this list, Alan. My hearing is sufficiently challenged that the only audio my K3 ever produces go into headphones, which are hugely improved over the "cans" on the mid-20th Century. I have found that the internal speakers in many of today's transceivers leave a lot to be

[Elecraft] Regarding K3 12v RCA rear socket - many thanks

2016-09-16 Thread g4urt
To those who replied to my plea... Many thanks for your input. Delving further into the rig it seems that when you put an RCA plug into the socket it bends the centre tab down to complete a circuit and gives the 12vhaving checked the volts etc there is 12v (fuse is fine) at the base of the

[Elecraft] XG3 version 1.18 Production Firmware Released

2016-09-16 Thread n6hz
Elecraft XG3 Firmware 1.18 is now available for download using the XG3 Utility. Version 1.18 simply fixes a bug that caused the start frequency of a programmed sweep to increment by the sweep step size on the second sweep. (thank you Mark Crouch AC4D for finding it). No other features were

[Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem

2016-09-16 Thread Converse, Robert
A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding the contact posts coming loose on the KXPD2 paddles. I keep experiencing this problem, and can't keep the philips screws on the posts tight for long enough to get through a QSO. I'm reluctant to overtighten the screws or use Loc-tite, and

Re: [Elecraft] K3 12v RCA rear socket.

2016-09-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
Peter, There is no 'setup' for the AUX 12V output - I think yours is broken. If you want to make some measurements, take a look at the lower right corner of RF Board schematic sheet 3. The RFC and resettable fuse are thru-hole components, so troubleshooting should be easy. 73, Don W3FPR On

Re: [Elecraft] How low (V) can the K3 go?

2016-09-16 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The manufacturer has clearly, often, repeatedly stated, and keeps posted their specification that the K3/K3S is designed for 11 to 15 volts. Optimum THD is at the high end of that range. I have my supplies set at 14.4 VDC for this reason. This is also the bulk charge voltage for my "12" volt

Re: [Elecraft] How low (V) can the K3 go?

2016-09-16 Thread Wayne Burdick
The K3 will actually continue to operate well below 11 V, which is rare for any desktop transceiver. It will automatically reduce maximum allowed transmit power output, to some degree, based on the supply voltage. This allows use from a depleted 12-V car battery, for example. Our objective is

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
As Kevin notes it's a long-standing complaint. Actually, it goes back to about 1999 when the first grumbles about the upward-facing speaker on the original Elecraft K2 were posted. It's especially true in a "live" room where the audio is reflected from various surfaces or where a shelf is

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Richard Fjeld
I usually use a Yamaha CM500 headset which I like very much. For an external speaker, early into the hobby I made a nice walnut frame with grill cloth to house an old speaker from a Muntz TV, if you remember those. It became a keepsake. Dick, n0ce On 9/16/2016 8:49 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH

Re: [Elecraft] How low (V) can the K3 go?

2016-09-16 Thread Matt Zilmer
The K3 / K3S is rated to meet its specs with a power source between 11 and 15V. The problem with operating at low voltages is that the TX IMD increases. Distortion of any type is one of the enemies of data modes. Well, really, ALL modes. I wouldn't operate the K3 / K3S much below 11.5V,

[Elecraft] K3 12v RCA rear socket.

2016-09-16 Thread g4urt
Hi, I've just hooked up my new hupRF K3 IF buffer to the 12v RCA socket at the rear of the K3 expecting to see some volts. The buffer requires 12v at 10ma to drive it. Nothing. Zilch. I've perused the instructions and Freds book but cannot see if I have to enable this function. Its either that

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Matthew Lawson
My K3 has had weak audio on the external speaker, have to crank volume knob up almost all the way up. Seems like there is no amplification. Need to check into it. *Matthew Lawson* *KC7EQO* *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R *

[Elecraft] How low (V) can the K3 go?

2016-09-16 Thread Chris Kimball
I'm running a test on my K3 with Olivia 8/500 data mode at 40 W output. The duty cycle is 1/3 transmit (4 min) and 2/3 receive. A "LOW BAT" warning and beep occur occasionally during transmit, however, the ALC remains at about 4 bars solid, one flickering. The voltage during receive is more

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2016 16 Sep 09:17 -0500, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > High frequencies propagate in a straight line from a speaker, so a > speaker facing upward loses 'presence'. Also the K3 speaker is a small > speaker in a small box. An external speaker, facing the operator, will > help a great deal. I don't

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread David Cutter
I stand a stiff cardboard box (for my Kent paddle) behind the speaker and that throws the sound toward me. The K3 speaker in an external box would be very good. I have Pyle battery powered speakers which are also excellent and very small as advised on the list some while ago. David G3UNA

[Elecraft] New member intro

2016-09-16 Thread k...@gmx.com
Hi, Thank you for allowing me to join this listserv list. I'm about midway toward building KPA500 kit. Goal is to use it for NVIS comms. Yaesu 1200 --- KPA-500 --- MFJ915 Line Isolator --- MFJ998R Rmt Autotuner --- MFJ915 Balun --- Ladder Line --- Random Length Dipole with LadderLoc at 32

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Vic Rosenthal
High frequencies propagate in a straight line from a speaker, so a speaker facing upward loses 'presence'. Also the K3 speaker is a small speaker in a small box. An external speaker, facing the operator, will help a great deal. Vic 4X6GP > On 16 Sep 2016, at 14:04, Alan. G4GNX

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
I have yet to use any internal SS radio's speaker except for an occasional test or possibly a portable set-up. They may as well leave it out as far as I'm concerned. NONE of them come anywhere close to the sound quality I get from simple outboard speakers. (Note, this does NOT include the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Bill
First - my K3 never leaves my desk. Hence, no issues with external speakers. It took me several months of adjusting the EQ and AGC (many settings available to the user to suit their desires) to get the sound I desired from my Behringer MS40 speakers. Armchair surround copy! Best sounding rig

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Jerry Moore
In my case the issue was low frequency harmonics in the case/assembly causing the audio to distort. Removing the speaker from the case resulted in very excellent audio from the built in speaker. I re-installed it and use an external speaker now (on the rare occasion I need/want external sound).

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2016 16 Sep 07:33 -0500, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote: > My comments are restricted to voice mode.  Alan's comments are related > to comparison with Icom DSP radios.  K3's audio in voice mode (no > matter how you set / adjust the RX EQ) is far inferior than Icom. I don't own an Icom and

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Jerry Moore
I went round and round with my K3S sound to no avail. I finally realized 2 important facts. 1. When operating I wear headphones. 2. If I want speaker sound it's better to have it directed towards me. So for using the built in speaker a hood or reflector may work, however, I've personally found

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Edward R Cole
I only listened to the internal K3 speaker for a few days when it was brand new...sounded harsh. Use of headphones K3 sounds great and have been using a ten-inch National Speaker built in the 1950's since then whose ambience I really appreciate. I never haul my K3 out to portable locations

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Clay Autery
I would be interested to see the testing procedure and results that confirm your statement RE: DSP artifacts. Not sure why you would be concerned about audio anywhere near 12 kHz. Sent from my cell phone... pardon the likely typos!  ;) Original message From: Johnny Siu via

[Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Johnny Siu via Elecraft
I must say that I respectfully disagree '99% of the time the fault lies between the chair and the radio'. My comments are restricted to voice mode.  Alan's comments are related to comparison with Icom DSP radios.  K3's audio in voice mode (no matter how you set / adjust the RX EQ) is far

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread ac5p
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
Alan, Have you considered replacing the speaker in that K3? On 9/16/2016 7:04 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote: Hi all. I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Kevin
This has been a complaint for the last nine years and 99% of the time the fault lies between the chair and the radio. Did anybody do a proper audio setup on the rig when it arrived or did it just get tossed on the desk and turned on? You need to go to W3FPR's website and take a look at the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Bill
Check out the RX EQ settings. You can do a lot with them. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

[Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Alan. G4GNX
Hi all. I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. We have a K3 at the local Ham Radio club and we often get complaints that the audio from the