in mind?
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Ken Javor
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Tania Grant; Doug McKean; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group
Subject: Re: Define Continuous DC Voltage
I'm probably not providing any assistance, but what is the purpose
Well now, Doug, how about the vast gray area in between?
What if it is 1/50th of an amp?
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Doug McKean
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group
Subject: Re: Define Continuous DC Voltage
Chris,
The reason that I agree with John that you should be testing both is that the
custom DC cable that you are assembling and shipping with your product can have
marginal or failed insulation that the hi-pot test would catch. Such
potential failures can have spectacular results at your
impressed that it takes a guy from England to tell us folks here the
chapter and verse where to find things in our own electrical code. Let's hear
more of such from over the pond!
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Tania Grant
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:39 PM
Ron,
Thank you. I appreciate the reference to the NEC!
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: acar...@uk.xyratex.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:09 AM
To: Tania Grant
Cc: WELLMAN,RON (A-PaloAlto,ex1); emc
Subject: Re: skinny power cords.
Tania
The V in SVT does
and their respective nomenclature. I know that in the SJTO
designation, the O stands for resistance to Oil, and that such cords are
recommended (required?) in industrial areas where oil would likely be present,
such as in car garages, etc.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From
Thank you, George, for the correction. An important point in grammar!
Certified just doesn't cut it.
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: geor...@lexmark.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:33 AM
To: Tania Grant
Cc: Gary McInturff; 'Jody Leber'; 'emc-p
as in CB Scheme???
Certified Body.
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Gary McInturff
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:04 PM
To: 'Jody Leber'; 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'
Subject: RE: CE Mark
Okay, now how about CB
Gary
-Original Message-
Doug,
I am attaching an e-mail posted to this group some time back in 1999. To add
to that e-mail, a colleague from South America explained to me long ago that
many towns close to another border may be actually connected to the other
country's power grid and not their own if they are much
Regarding the issue how well the CSA NRTL mark is acceptable in the U.S. and
how well the cUL mark is acceptable in Canada;-- this is where it really pays
to know and understand your customer.
CSA for many many years now has a very heavy advertising campaign in Canada
that only products that
Jim,
Some suggestions right beneath your questions below.
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Jim Eichner
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 4:49 PM
To: 'EMC-PSTC - forum'
Subject: Component and material traceability
We're trying not to reinvent the wheel, since I suspect
Massimo,
I have no experience with medical devices, and there may be formal protocols
that are recommended. Here are a few that I've observed performed on ITE
equipment for non-medical applications.
168 hours burn-in in a heat/humidity chamber, error free;-- if something fails,
it is fixed
read in !emc-pstc that Tania Grant taniagr...@msn.com wrote (in
oe127msph2q6dqajy4k4...@hotmail.com) about 'CE test suite for
computers', on Sat, 18 Aug 2001:
Most people will never understand anything unless it is explained
to them. Merely stating
that the power distribution in Europe
Rich,
Thank you very very much.
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Rich Nute
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:02 PM
To: taniagr...@msn.com
Cc: j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: CE test suite for computers
Hi John and Tania:
Actually,
Doug, et al,
FCC Part 15 addresses digital devices only. And they continue to use the term
digital over and over again. The scope of FCC Part 15 does not address
analog devices, whether they be industrial, commercial, or medical test
equipment. However, the FCC are exempting (and some
!)
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Gary McInturff
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 3:59 PM
To: 'wo...@sensormatic.com'; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Hot Swappable Power Supplies ?
Richard,
I'm a little less ebullient today than yesterday. Recognized
Hot-swappable
Heck!
We're no longer ladies, but we still get denounced! However, it is better
than burn, baby burn! (I just wish that Bellcore would get a clue!)
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: John Woodgate
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:13 AM
To: emc-p
be in the language of the country where
the equipment is sold. But again, for non user equipment (i.e., described as
above) the labels and instructions may be in English.
These are in the IEC 60950 standards; however, I have not yet checked the
latest edition.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
for you, or because your equipment is just a small pebble in a big
pond of boulders and no one will notice.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Doug McKean
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:19 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: FCC + FCC = FCC? - Outlaw
could achieve
similar results. I think that all three are necessary in proper combination.
UL is not a saint, but I believe that they have a more rational approach than
burning equipment,-- like witches were burned in the Dark Ages to prove their
fair or foul status.
Tania Grant
taniagr
.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Doug McKean
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:31 PM
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group
Subject: Re: Hot Swappable Power Supplies ?
What's the accessibility to pins or traces or
anything carrying hazardous energy when
a power supply
much of
that!
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: chasgra...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:18 PM
To: ken.ja...@emccompliance.com; croni...@hotmail.com;
emc-p...@majordomo..ieee.org
Subject: Re: FCC + FCC = FCC? - NO However..
I think the answer
Lou,
I got the hiccups just reading your list!
LOL
(Little Ole Lady Laughing Out Loud!)
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Lou Guerin
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 3:00 PM
To: 'rehel...@mmm.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts
on the main event.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Gary McInturff
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 6:09 PM
To: 'kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts
Funny how history sort of repeats itself. If there are any ol
The CE is a European mark on products promulgated by various European
Directives. CB is not a mark.
The CB Scheme started as a gentlemen's agreement between various safety labs
(not all necessarily in Europe) to accept each other's test results provided
the labs abided by specified test
In Russian, Bez opasnost'means, literally, without hazard/danger
without hazard e.g.: safe
Polish, in this case, should be very close to the same meaning. However, as in
all cases,
the ascribed meaning, especially in the case of markings/labeling on
this? And what about Bellcore/Telcordia? Do they agree
with the UL position?
Thank you for your responses.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
and be done with it!
Your customer will love you.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Gary McInturff
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 2:54 PM
To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail)
Subject: NEC - 1990 version
I'm trying to make a decision on this issue right at the moment and
here is my
eliminate alcoholic babies
than plastering warning labels on men's ... will eliminate HIV.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Gary McInturff
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:33 PM
To: 'Michael Mertinooke'; wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Thank you, Rich,
Serves me right for throwing out the old UL478 once our products were updated
to UL1950 and relying on memory as to what was inside 478!
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Rich Nute
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:04 PM
To: taniagr...@msn.com
Cc
John,
I hate to call you an old-timer;-- I would rather state that you might be
thinking of UL 114 and UL478 standards that are no longer in force. But I
don't believe that even they allowed a willy-nilly change from grounded
equipment to one that is ungrounded, unless provided with a
with the appropriate NRTL mark.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: acar...@uk.xyratex.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:15 PM
To: Enci
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: US Mains Plug/Earthing
If the equipment is for work place use you have the OSHA requirements
; the content,
however, has not changed from UL 1950 that I have noticed.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Richard Meyette
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:35 PM
To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'
Subject: Disconnect Devices for Telecom Equipment
Here's
).
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: David Heald
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:18 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; gabb...@zoom.com
Subject: [Fwd: Romania certifications]
Forwarded for Gaby Abboud. Please CC Mr. Abboud gabb...@zoom.com on
any replies.
David
in Europe.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Peter Merguerian
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 4:14 PM
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org '
Subject: Stuck in Germany!
Dear All,
I have submitted an electronic ballast (ballast designed for building-in and
provided with pigtail leads
requirements.
Now you find that you bought all three standards!!!
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Peter Tarver
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:14 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: UL1950 vs EN60950
Amund -
For the most part, installation code issues
Amund,
My minimum criteria and recommendation has always been at least 6dB.
However, how many engineering managers, upon finding a 1.5 dB margin in
their favor, rule ship it!
Education (repeated brainwashing of as many 'powerful company managers) has
been my response;-- but that often takes
Is the manufacturer serious, or completely ignorant?
If serious, I would disassociate from them as much as possible. If merely
ignorant, and you have some sort of association with them, I would recommend
that you educate them fully.
Another thought, -- is this product slated for mass
Doug,
You've described the poles-apart situations of regulatory compliance very well.
I've worked in both types of situations, and can say that my contribution and
worth to the company in the first example far exceeds anything that can be
achieved in a company of your last example. I've
-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough
I read in !emc-pstc that Tania Grant taniagr...@msn.com wrote (in
oe527cewuohvfufnkig3...@hotmail.com) about 'Sometimes product
safety just isn't enough', on Fri, 14 Dec 2001:
And we have strayed here from
,
not just submit product to bureaucratic agencies for proof of compliance.
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Phillips
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:36 AM
To: Tania Grant
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough
I
Gert,
You may be technically correct, but I also believe that we should bring up
citizens to be prudently knowledgeable about electrical hazards. These are
not intuitively obvious. The manufacturer has a responsibility for designing
a safe product. The user has a responsibility for using
Kim,
The 'safest' and sure-proof way of finding out a bona fide safety interlock
switch is to ask the manufacturer to provide you with their agency safety test
report. If the agency is UL, make sure you ask for the Conditions of
Acceptability as well, where UL might place restrictions on use
Now we should understand why some agencies have these crazy instructions that
overstate the obvious-- do not use while in the bathtub
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Robert Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:11 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
You mean, we can't provide a 5 or 10 year warranty??? Will this fall under
the CE marking Directive?? Do we have to sign a Declaration of Conformity???
Personally, I think the Directive directors are nuts in this case. I can see
a warranty document going on and on for pages and pages,
Gentlemen,
This discussion sounds better than a PDQ Bach concerto! I am getting an
education here!
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Pettit, Ghery
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:42 PM
To: 'Ehler, Kyle'; 'Aschenberg, Mat'; Pettit, Ghery; 'John Woodgate';
Chris,
I think you have to generate your own labels or buy them to order. Size would
be an issue. Proper glue would be another issue depending upon the surface
material these labels are to be affixed (metal, plastic), since certain glues
do not adhere to certain plastics.These Hi-pot OK
My personal experience agrees with John. I prefer to work with Engineering
and reporting someplace in Engineering;-- it makes my job easier when
compliance is designed right from the very beginning rather than be
responsible later to get it past agencies. At that point, it suddenly became
Gregg,
I agree with you. Many women have a tendency to use their hands when talking.
I only purchase slacks that have pockets (would you believe that they still
have womens' slacks without pockets?); however, I have not tried standing on
one leg! Let's see, trip and fall and create another
. Beware of highly placed managers writing detailed
procedures telling others how to do their jobs, without honest input.
Bureaucracy reigns!
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: mike harris
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:29 AM
To: Tania Grant; am...@westin-emission.no
Amund,
Since I transferred, over more than 20 years ago, from Quality Assurance to
Regulatory compliance/product safety, I will share with you my opinions and my
experience. However, I would also be interested in hearing about the
experience of others.
In my opinion, QA and regulatory
One mink, two mink, three mink (preferred). Or minks. My unabridged Random
House states that the plural is mink, but minks may be used, especially when
referred collectively.
Personally, I prefer minkies ! It would not surprise me that some 10-20
years from now minks would be widely
Well, I must say that I agree with the spirit of what Chris is saying, if not
actually with his exact words!
I believe that a give and take is healthy; a difference of opinion should not
be anathema to this forum. However, we need to remain polite (not rude) and be
somewhat sensitive to the
It is NOT a waste of everyone's time. Thanks to everyone who has
contributed; you have caused some fresh wrinkles to be etched onto
our brains. With appreciation,
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
the 'continuous'!
For that matter, if the power level is not continuous but intermittent,
does this mean that it's O.K. even if the limit is exceeded
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply
Sandy,
Recent TREG and emc-p...@ieee.org mail shows the following:
Author: par...@bangate.compaq.com at P_Internet_mail
Date:7/25/96 7:57 PM
Priority: Normal
BCC: Tania Grant at P_BSD
TO: r...@ncgwpc.syntellect.com at P_Internet_Mail
CC
the frequency of
interest.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: Distance between cables
Author: Arno van Kesteren avkes...@eso.org at P_Internet_mail
away with 2.0 mm clearance and creepage.
I would not recommend this. Give yourself more 'breathing' space;
you'll sleep better.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
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But there is money to be generated by regulating ITE
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: Mexican Product Safety (NOM)
Author: rbusche rbus...@smtpgw.corp.es.com
FAX 011-525-294-7089
Tania Grant, Octel Communication Corporation
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Subject: Mexican Product Safety (NOM)
Author: Cameron; Danny C dccam...@ingr.com at P_Internet_mail
List-Post: emc-pstc
standards.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
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Subject: re: 24Vac
Author: Bob bris...@csse.enet.dec.com at P_Internet_mail
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date:7/8/96 2:47 PM
Hello
Cray Communications Ltd.
Tel : +44 1923 258475
Fax : + 44 1923 258890
---
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: Czech Republic EMC
Author
Now, now, now; let's not get too defensive-- there's no need!
Tania
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Subject: Kenyan approval authorities
Author: t...@world.std.com at P_Internet_mail
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Note 1 of section 5.3.2 is in the 3rd edition of UL1950, July 28,
1995.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: Re: Routine Hipot testing
Author: janos vajda jva
Try Rocky Mountain Translators, Inc., in Colorado. They specialize in
technical translations. They are not cheap, but they are good. They
want to understand your vocabulary before they tackle anything.
303-4499-6954; FAX: 303-442-6214.
Tania
You mean the old Marlene Dietrich film..? I remember the film,
but cannot remember the Director, year it was released, etc.
Cannot imagine what it might have to do with electromagnetic compatibility,
but you never know, nowadays!
Tania Grant, Octel
Regarding your cute footnote:
The same could be stated for certain husbands.
I suggest that you show greater consideration to people; it has been
many many years since polygamy was outlawed by Mormons.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
fight it and/or
switch bodies.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: Re: Notifed Bodies and Test Samples
Author: eric.lif...@natinst.com (Eric
requirements.
To whom can we complain that this jerking around on the part of CENELEC
is not conducive for harmonized trade in Europe! (Not that they would
listen.)
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
are the worst offenders.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: User Friendly Standards
Author: richard.pa...@bangate1.tek.com at P_Internet_Mail
List-Post: emc
Rich,
Here is what I have saved about the above countries.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
TURKEY:
* Turkish representative necessary
limits...
Verification to Class B limits is when you DON'T have a personal
computer, but, for whatever reasons, you want to meet (and do) Class B
limits.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
locations.
I would be interested to know other opinions!
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: Jurisdiction over Electrical Equipment
.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
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Subject: RE: ITE or Machine?
Author: Chris Dupres chris_dup...@compuserve.com at P_Internet_Mail
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date
to become obsolete after 3 years.
So this issue is one of concern to us.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: Re: Proposed changes to UL 1950 3rd
Hans,
Can you be more specific as to address, phone/fax number, or e-mail
address?
Thank you,
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
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of just about everything technical
that is published in the O.J. In other words, the scope is very
very broad.
I would be interested to compare this to other services, if such are
available.
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
Thank you, Hans, for this bit of history. That would explain the FCC
'easier' limits that are only designed to protect civilian
communications and not military.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
however, for FCC Rules, Part 68 (telephony) requirements,
Registration is the only choice. Many persons confuse the two.
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
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Thank you, Charlie,
And how and when will this be mandated and enforced?
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
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Subject: Re
are not allowed.
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
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Subject: Re[2]: Shielded power cord, seeking source for
Author: Jim Hulberthulbe...@pb.com
Very interesting. I did not know this. Where is this stated in the
standard, or elsewhere, and how exactly is this enforced?
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
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Jeff,
My answers below yours, encased in .
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
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Subject: Compliance Mgmt. for OEM's, Turnkey
area (Silicon Valley). Please call or e-mail me
directly.
Tania Grant, 408-324-5238; E-mail: tgr...@lucent.com
Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
1001 Murphy Ranch Road
Milpitas, CA 95035Received: from curly.eng.octel.com (148.147.200.26
Doug,
For -48 Vdc equipment, the 3rd edition of CSA/UL 60950 gives a should in
Annex NAB.2 unless otherwise specified by the manufacturer...
It is worth a look.
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Doug McKean dmck...@auspex.com
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group
of these
tests!
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Peter Tarver peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Cc: Joe Finlayson jfinlay...@telica.com; 'Peter Merguerian'
pmerguer...@itl.co.il; 'Tania Grant' taniagr...@msn.com; Michelle Cho
/ INT
as you find that certain parts of your product need to be redesigned.
As was also previously stated, you need to make sure that the whole
engineering team reads the GR-63 and GR-1089 standards and understands the
requirements. No sense spending money on lab tests for obvious failures.
Tania
-
From: James, Chris c...@dolby.co.uk
To: 'Tania Grant' taniagr...@msn.com
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:52 AM
Subject: RE: Cadmium plated hardware and small parts
Tania
Just had an undeliverable from your email address. If you pick this up
via
the pstc
to know this! Thank you.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Gregg Kervill gr...@test4safety.com
To: douglas_beckw...@mitel.com
Cc: 'Chris Chileshe' chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk;
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: CE
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Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Bobbie H Cronquist bcs...@juno.com
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:20 AM
Subject: EU Packaging Query
A client of ours has said
believe, are
environmentally a no-no.
Where is this stated! How is this enforced?
Thank you very much,
Tania Grant,
taniagr...@msn.com
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