Re: [EVDL] A couple of Leaf observations. With more added on.

2016-02-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lawrence Rhodes wrote: I noticed Lee Hart saying he doesn't charge to 100%. Why. Simple. I don't need the range. So there's no need to charge it to 100% or run it dead. And, there are reasons *not* to do it. My experience (with all types of batteries) has been that they last longer if they

Re: [EVDL] Maybe it's better to go bigger when doing a solar vehicle.

2016-02-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: The Ultra Van is a unique motor home. I've seen an UltraVan, and they are indeed about as close as you can get to an airplane on wheels without the wings. It is completely smooth underneath, as well as on the sides and top. I don't know what the Cd is, but it mu

Re: [EVDL] Avcon to J1772 works great for 2 minutes

2016-02-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
From: Lawrence Rhodes > The trigger works. Press & it stops charging. But after 2 minutes more or > less it just quits. The MCS100-III has a couple of lights which doesn't > light. 120v&240v selector which doesn't seem to care what setting it is on.   > The unit was made in 1997 & has been out of

Re: [EVDL] Electric Coop magazine article on historic EV

2016-02-17 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Fascinating! I hadn't heard of the Fritchle EV before. 100 miles on a charge was an amazing achievement, especially considering the roads in those days. I wonder if there are any details about his batteries? -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James -- Lee A. Hart http://www.sun

Re: [EVDL] Zelectric conversions. 0 to 60's in seconds...but for $130, 000???

2016-02-24 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: When I realized I couldn't build a nice electric car for what I could buy one for I gave up and bought a used Leaf EV. So did I. We added a 2013 Leaf to my EV collection. It's hard to beat the fit/finish/features for the price. It's my wife's car. She prefers the

Re: [EVDL] Nissan changing telematics hardware and carrier

2016-02-29 Thread Lee Hart via EV
We got the notice too, for our 2013 Leaf. Seems kind of soon to discontinue online connect-ability. This could be an unpleasant "surprise" for cars in the future that depend on on-line connect-ability to work! I wonder what Nissan is planning to charge to upgrade their service? Peri Hartman v

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Batteries are King (A Gigafactory Challenge)

2016-03-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: I know it's been looked at in more recent years, but the actual reasons for no one implementing such a scheme has, to me, been lost in the noise. Actually, battery leasing is very common for commercial and industrial EVs (fork lifts, golf carts, etc.) Fleet operat

Re: [EVDL] Brushed bicycle hub motor?

2016-03-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Gary Neal via EV wrote: I'm advising a group competing in the Shell Ecomarathon competition (http://www.shell.com/energy-and-innovation/shell-ecomarathon/americas.html) We previously powered our vehicle with a 36V, brushless DC hub motor designed for bicycles. The problem is Shell requires a mot

Re: [EVDL] Brushed bicycle hub motor?

2016-03-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Is there any reason you couldn't build a simple series-parallel stepped contactor controller? A contactor controller works, is cheap, and about as simple as dirt. The controller itself is essentially 100% efficient; it's nothing but switches, after all. Howe

Re: [EVDL] Rudman MK2 pic

2016-03-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV
David Chapman via EV wrote: Here is a link to the pic that didnt upload, thanks David R.! rudman mk2 regboardhttp://postimg.org/image/g1e2uxah3/ I have exactly this board assembled. If someone wants to assemble your boards, I can send him a photo that shows what all the parts are. Or, I could

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: I'm interested in this idea of 'violations' Home Depot/Lowes/Ace Hardware/and many other hardware/electrical stores sell replacement cords for appliances, where you, the homeowner can replace a cord with a new one. Does that void the UL guarantee and NEC (if there is

Re: [EVDL] battery box

2016-03-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Willie2 wrote: I'm looking for a source for a weather tight, probably fiberglass, box. About 4'x6' and 2' high with a lift-up top. Can anyone suggest? Some custom fiberglass shop? Chris Tromley via EV wrote: What you're attempting to do is pretty simple, so just about any fiberglass shop cou

Re: [EVDL] Are other safety certifications accepted by cities & insurance?

2016-03-18 Thread Lee Hart via EV
brucedp5 via EV wrote: it mentions the product is - Safety listed by ETL I know UL, but what is ETL? ETL is a competitor of UL. Same kinds of testing; just a different test lab (and usually cheaper). Both UL and ETL are independent testing companies. You pay them to test your product. They

Re: [EVDL] article:The world's largest electric vehicle travels soon in Switzerland

2016-03-18 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I'll bet that the unloaded vehicle going down the hill does not produce more electricity than it consumes going up the hill. Unless some exceedingly large-headed politician (thinks he) has managed to change the laws of physics, that'd be a pretty safe bet. :-)

Re: [EVDL] EV Question

2016-04-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Jukka Järvinen via EV wrote: I suggest all EV charging spots to have a cone or something which says explicitly only EV's allowed. It's less trouble to get off the EV and move the cone compared to blocked charging when needed. Hmmm; that makes me think. What about some kind of gate that blocks t

Re: [EVDL] Free Street Light L1 charging?

2016-04-12 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I wouldn't even bother asking. http://la.curbed.com/2014/12/23/10008768/metro-has-arrested-people-for- charging-their-phones-at-stations http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/12/oregon-homeless-woman-charged- with-electricity-theft-for-charging-her-cellphone/

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Miners pin hopes on Electric copper-cars

2016-04-14 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Willie2 via EV wrote: On 04/14/2016 03:56 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 14 Apr 2016 at 0:06, brucedp5 via EV wrote: Copper remains the best electrical conductor available Nope, that would be silver. Now, if you consider cost-effectiveness, that's another matter. But that's not what

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: SAE in Tesla-3 denial> unmentioned as if they didn’t exist> worrisome

2016-04-19 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Sitting there listening to the speakers going on about their business as if Tesla doesn´t exist had me wondering if history is going to repeat itself with a twist. I don't even see a twist. It's almost exactly the same as when Detroit ignored all the subcompac

Re: [EVDL] J1772. Solder or crimp?

2016-04-25 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Michael Ross via EV wrote: I have to give Jay big yay for the perfect answer. Solder loses any ability to create a useful joint when it liquifies, hence the need for some very solid mechanical joining means. The failure modes are truly bad with power involved. Agreed; a good answer. Solder is

Re: [EVDL] J1772. Solder or crimp?

2016-04-25 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I agree that a hex crimper is better, and I recommend one if you're pulling currents upwards of 600+ amps. However, I've used a hammer crimper for years with currents <= 400a, and have never yet had a problem. I think the trick is to use a heavy enough hammer -

Re: [EVDL] J1772. Solder or crimp?

2016-04-25 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Bill Dube via EV wrote: Harbor Freight sells an outstanding hydraulic crimper at a bargain price: http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html For $55 there is no reason to use a hammer crimper. I have used the next size up from this one, made by the same manufacturer, fo

Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

2016-04-28 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Jukka Järvinen via EV wrote: >> head to Finland! After 2017 tours available to new battery factory too. ;) >From: Willie2 via EV >You are teasing us, Jukka? Yes, in a way. :-) But i should point out that if the original poster is travelling in the northern USA, essentially every motel already

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: ?L3 quick charging or pack swaps, on long EV trips? (v)

2016-05-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
dovepa via EV wrote: He says: Imagine that now you're driving your car, and let's say its 40 percent or 50 percent empty," de Callafon said. "You would have to charge it. Here you could actually take, if you have 10 modules in your car, and take five out — those are the ones that are empty — and

Re: [EVDL] 72 volt swapable scooter battery

2016-05-10 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Willie2 via EV wrote: I've bought several such things through AliExpress from 24v up to 144v. Typically sold as ebike batteries. SB50 connectors are common. http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=lithium+ebike+batteries Lee will tell you, and I don't question him, that Ping is the quali

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy carbon) battery paper

2016-05-12 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Sean Korb via EV wrote: This is the sort of thing where I should study the paper, read the dissents and then give my completely unscientific opinion as if it were fact. Yes indeed. :-) Some basic physics: Imagine you're trying to invent a new battery. You assume one molecule each of the two r

Re: [EVDL] Hub motors = Bad Idea in a highway capable car

2016-05-15 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Michael Ross wrote: Lots to like about this effort, and the video is easy to watch, and provocative in good ways. Bill D mentions unsprung weight. If you aren't a performance nut you can manage clunky handling. Bet those 4 motors aren't heavier that 4 steel truck wheels. I generally agree with

Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

2016-05-19 Thread Lee Hart via EV
From: Christopher Darilek: I'm ready to upgrade my charger connector... My charge rate is 18A @100V. I think I need 5 connections: +100V, battery ground, +12V, chassis ground, and BMS output to turn the charger Off. I'd like for the connector to be accessible without opening the hood. What do

Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

2016-05-20 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Christopher Darilek via EV wrote: How would you mount the car-side PowerPole connector? Pigtail somewhere? I have a hole in the side of my car I'd like to use to mount it.. Anderson Power Products has a huge variety of housings that the individual Powerpoles snap into. The housings are used

Re: [EVDL] Conversion planning

2016-05-28 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Alan Brinkman via EV wrote: Some of the older Datsun mini-trucks had a rear axle ratio that would have the drive shaft spinning faster and some conversions did without the transmission. The few I looked at on the EV Album had a 4.88 rear end. I also like the old

Re: [EVDL] Old packs as powerwalls @L3 EVSE sites to help smooth out the grid, +more

2016-05-30 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: Basically, the chart says that it you compare the various energy storage technologies, some are well suited for discharging over short time periods and some for long, and some are well-suited for storing large amounts of energy, and some smaller. Here's a simila

Re: [EVDL] Ground Faults

2016-06-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: One solution is to make sure you have a good ground connection and not use GFCI. That was my solution for years with floodeds. Use an isolation transformer. Plug the charger into it. It's a straightforward and safe solution. I still have some big 2kw 120/240va

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Mike Nickerson via EV wrote: If the long term current draw will be less than 10A or so, you could use an in rush limiting resistor. That is a resistor with a negative temperature coefficient. When cool, they have a very high resistance. As they heat up, their resistance drops. This is pro

Re: [EVDL] Dead accessory battery... Drill baby drill

2016-06-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: I'm so fed up with 12v batteries I finally today drilled a hole in the roof right over the dome light and mounted a solar panel up there where I could reach the wires and coathanger them over to the pillar and down to the stupid 12v battery. Great idea. I did this

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Roland via EV wrote: A dead 12 volt battery is the problem when you have your control circuits in your EV run by 12 volts. My first EV that I received back in 1976 and still have it today, uses LINE voltage to run all the control circuits. LINE voltage is the same voltage as the main battery.

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Michael Ross via EV wrote: Mike is correct - a single old inefficient panel can draw a sustained arc an inch or longer. Some decent sized farms have burned down because you can't just turn off the sun. There are important safety concern to learn about. 120v DC was used for power distribution in

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Mike Nickerson wrote: Hi Lee, I don't think that is how in rush current limiters work. I use them to protect my DC-DC converter caps so they don't get whacked with a high in rush current when the connection is first made. You're right. My explanation was not at all clear. I was staying up to

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
John Lussmyer wrote: Putting 300VDC at the fingertips of the driver and passengers? Note that normal 240vac has a peak of around 340v. High-power accessories like heaters, air conditioners, power steering pumps, etc. could run directly from the 300vdc. They would be hard wired, so consumers

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Alan Brinkman via EV wrote: For someone new to electric vehicles, and for a majority of conversions, a 12 volt accessory battery is the simple means to power accessories. That's right. The KISS solution is a 12v accessory battery. Even Tesla is using a 12v lead-acid accessory battery. Some

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Why don't you try to connect the two first and see if there is a problem that you want to solve, instead of first building a solution and then finding out that it is not needed at all? That's a good idea. If these are big low-resistance AGMs at significantly diff

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I've never tried this, but I've heard (probably here on the EVDL) of using a PWM DC motor controller for this purpose. You'd probably need an inductor in series with its output to simulate motor inductance, so the controller's current limiting circuit would have

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Is it more expensive to design semiconductors to switch 10 amps at 12 volts, or 0.4 amps at 300 volts? That's not a rhetorical question: I don't know. You generally pay by the watt. Similar price to switch 12v at 100a, or 120v at 10a, etc. You could regulat

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Barry Oppenheim via EV wrote: Slightly OT, does anyone have a good way to add manual function to a HV contactor? It would be nice to be able to turn on the DC/DC converter manually in case of 12V failure without having to rig a jumper. I vaguely remember that one of the OEM EV's had such a butt

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Bill Collins via EV wrote: The resting voltage of a lead acid battery is significantly lower than the voltage required to charge it. For example: a fully charged 12 volt battery has a resting voltage of 12.6, but will not draw much current unless you apply 13.5 volts or so. This means that when y

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Larry Gales via EV wrote: Thanks, I was somewhat aware of the increased use of copper, but not to the extent that you specify, so it looks like AC is the way to go, even for off-grid solar. Lower voltage means higher current and bigger wires; but it's not as bad as you think. First, consider

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-08 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: The only time high voltage helps is when you need to have long wire runs... The operative word is "long" And when you wire a house for every room and for every appliance and for every outlet (whether used fully or not) then every wire is "long". What is "long"

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-08 Thread Lee Hart via EV
David Kerzel wrote: In example 1 series you have 2 12 inch leads out of the pack. In example 2 parallel you use all the leads to connect them together and the 12 inch leads out of the pack are missing, They would add .001 ohm each if the same size wire which is a second 40 watts. View with a f

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-08 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: I think Lee was referring to how you wire the panels together, not the house. You could wire your panels in parallel and, as long as your inverter is near the panels, not incur any more line losses than a series system. Right! PV panels are physically large, even larg

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-08 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: Still not true. The output of microinverters is at 240 VAC and the average current in the wires will be double as the same number of panels at 480 VDC. But each microinverter has its own wire. The total current may be twice as much in a 240v system as in a 480v

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-08 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Re RMS: This stuff is tricky. I don't blame folks for being confused. If you're powering a resistive load, AC RMS and DC are identical. Line losses are the same. The resistance in the wire is no different than the resistance in the load. The losses and power dissipated in both of them are the

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and (series//parallel)

2016-06-08 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: There is no way you can wire 14 solar panels (10' by 20') array in parallel with the "same wire sizes and lengths" (and loss) compared to series. Physically impossible. Bob, "impossible" is not a useful word here. I'm not trying to argue or "win". I just want to

Re: [EVDL] Lead Acid charging...

2016-06-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: Old Honda Civic EV conversion troubles (after 2 years of abandonment). Hi, Robert. These all sound very normal. 1) PbAcid batteries are stll hissing 8 hours after the first charge in a year was removed? All ten batteries were between 13.5 and 14.5 under charge wh

Re: [EVDL] Lead Acid charging... and AC disconnects?

2016-06-10 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: For one thing, you can test the controller on the bench, with a light bulb in place of the motor, a 5k potentiometer for the throttle pot, and a simple DC power source for input power. Bingo! Ill disconnect the motor and hook up a few thousand watts of lights inst

Re: [EVDL] Lead Acid charging...(trickle overcharging?)

2016-06-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: For many years, I have used a "take-out" UPS battery to keep my internet, WiFi and VoIP powered through regular power outages, always floating it to 13.5V... I can second Cor's advice. 13.5v is a good float voltage; better than the usual 13.8v you'll find in most

Re: [EVDL] Lead Acid charging...(trickle overcharging?)

2016-06-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
dovepa via EV wrote: Isn't that what a trickle charger does? I know lots of people who leave them on all the time. People mix up "float" and "trickle" chargers all the time. But they are quite different devices. A "trickle" charger delivers a more-or-less constant CURRENT, regardless of the

Re: [EVDL] Lead Acid charging...(trickle overcharging?)

2016-06-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: What happens when you might forever overcharge a CAR battery with 30 mA (during daylight). Most car batteries are flooded (i.e. not sealed). If you continuously charge them, once they reach "full" they simply convert the excess charging current into heat and gass

Re: [EVDL] Lead Acid charging...(trickle overcharging?)

2016-06-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Lee, I can see that you did not proof-read your mail, Thanks, Cor! Egads, I'm typing faster than I'm thinking. Your corrections are all right on the money. :-) - the two zeners are chosen so the sum of the voltages is the desired output voltage *plus* the drop

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and (series//parallel)

2016-06-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: That was also my immediate thought (being an engineer) so all I can think is that the solar roofing is directional, like shingles, so you can't flip it around. They could have made two variants though, one with + at top and one at bottom, so you just would have to a

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 44, Issue 22

2016-06-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Jan Steinman via EV wrote: At that level, the battery has to dissipate only 400 milliwatts, which it should be able to do without damage under almost any circumstance. You'd be surprised. A good new AGM or gel battery can easily go over 13.8v even with just 5-10ma. It takes a long time to get

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 44, Issue 22

2016-06-14 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I thought that most good valve regulated batteries had recombination catalysts inside the cells, to recombining evolved hydrogen and oxygen into water. No? Yes, they can *slowly* recombine the hydrogen and oxygen inside back into water. There is some low curre

Re: [EVDL] [ now, EV conversions forever!] The Incandescent Inferno

2016-06-15 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: 1) Since my EV conversion... runs on 120 VDC, I painted the hood white on the bottom and mounted two 60W equivalent LED bulbs on it. Now when the hood is up, there plenty of light... 2) And then since the 5000W theater lights worked so well as a nice dummy load, and

Re: [EVDL] L2 across USA tripper might want to rethink his 2nd trip EV ...

2016-06-17 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: You west coast folks with EVs everywhere may not know what it's like here in the midwest. Around here, owning ANY kind of EV is unusual and draws notice. Here in NE Ohio, I may see a Leaf a few times a YEAR. I have yet to see a Tesla on the road or in a parking l

Re: [EVDL] Level 1 charging solar

2016-06-17 Thread Lee Hart via EV
tomw via EV wrote: Can you purchase standard PV panels that will fit inside your vehicle? Take them out at work with some framing made of PVC or similar that you can easily slip together and set up, then take them down and put them back in the car at the end of the day. Could make some clips so t

Re: [EVDL] for the good of the planet

2016-06-28 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: The article is promoting a battery charger that attempts to measures lead battery capacity and (he says) then suggests how the battery might still be used. It's actually an advertisement for the Jameco kit based on his idea. The link to the jameco page worked,

Re: [EVDL] Best deal on Lead Acid for conversion?

2016-07-24 Thread Lee Hart via EV
len moskowitz via EV wrote: I have an old '90 VW Jetta EV conversion. Last time I changed the lead-acid batteries I put in ten 29-series marine batteries (that's around 12 kWh) that I bought from the local Costco for around $900. They lasted less than three years and gave me 25 - 35 miles per ch

Re: [EVDL] Best deal on Lead Acid for conversion?

2016-07-24 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Al Lumas via EV wrote: The six Deka 8G31 Group 31 GEL cell batteries in my 2005 GEM e825 Utility NEV lasted eight years. And then, the best deal on six new ones was from a solar system component distributor here in the south SF Bay area. These Deka 8G31 gels are very good EV batteries, but only

Re: [EVDL] Lead Acid question

2016-07-26 Thread Lee Hart via EV
jeff via EV wrote: I've used 100s, or 1000s of lead acid 12V batteries. Most were bought new in lots of from one to 90. I learned early on to test each one. It is almost a certainty some will be bad. Typical fallout for me was on the order of 5 to 15%. Return that puppy. That's good advice -

Re: [EVDL] 24 cell BMS

2016-07-28 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: There may be reasons to have a large balancing current, but they escape me. 1. To deal with cheap old mismatched cells. 2. To allow you to replace one cell without replacing the whole pack. The new cell is likely to be significantly different than the rest. 3

Re: [EVDL] PG&E's EV Charging Plan Still Angers Industry Players ...

2016-08-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
PG&E´s proposal would require all EV charger hosts to charge their customers based on prescribed time-of-use rates ... EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I think I see what PGE are doing, but why should they get to stipulate what the CUSTOMER pays? Because they can? Or at least, they can try?

Re: [EVDL] PG&E's EV Charging Plan Still Angers Industry Players ...

2016-08-04 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Russ Sciville via EV wrote: >> Surely no-one would wish a Rapid to operate at 240v 1 ph? Most assuredly, someone will! The same guy that wants and can afford a top-of-the-line luxury EV is going to want a top-of-the-line luxury fast charger. If he's in the USA, he won't have 3-phase power in

Re: [EVDL] This is one future for mass produced electric vehicles.

2016-08-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: It's a matter of money. You can be pretty tricky to build it on a budget. Dave Cloud, Cedric Lynch, and Jerry Dycus have all built examples of very efficient vehicles on tiny budgets. They may look a bit funky, but it's a prototype! :-) I am thinking of using

Re: [EVDL] Which one china lifepo4 60 Ah?

2016-08-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
paul dove via EV wrote: Why would you say that? Li FePO4 has one of the largest cycle life of any of them.?2000+ cycles. The Mitsubishi i-MiEV uses LiFePO4 cells. Maybe go with a larger Ah capacity to increase current limits. They only do 3C continuous. So that would be 180 Amps for a 60Ah ce

Re: [EVDL] hub motor for 20" wheels

2016-08-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
ken via EV wrote: >> I have a Bike E with 20" back wheel. Where can I find a reasonably >> priced wheel that's designed to be efficent for that RPM / 20- 25 mph >> and 36 volts. Michael Ross via EV wrote: Better check me, I get 335 RPM at 20mph and 419 RPM at 25 mph 36 volts will get you less to

Re: [EVDL] Breakers in Reverse?

2016-08-14 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: I believe that Lee responded to a similar question a while back that there are some breakers, where a circuit is connected to the load side of the breaker so if it trips then it is no longer powered but put it in reverse and it remains powered and might overload. I

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Chevrolet Bolt EV Early Adopter promises, androgynous-design and no-delays

2016-08-22 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Thanks for your detailed answer, Cor. I can't really justify increasing from 24kwh to 30, so it's unlikely I'll pursue that. 200kwh would make a substantial difference, though. I could get rid of my other vehicle. We'll just have to see what happens over the next couple

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Lee Hart via EV
via EV wrote: On the efficiency side of things, roads already flex when vehicles drive over them. Why not harvest that lost energy? Heat is the "bullshit" detector of such claims. If any significant amount of energy was being produced by flexing roads, it would show up as a temperature rise.

Re: [EVDL] Easy to hard solar charging.

2018-10-30 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: Towing a simple 4'x4' garden trailer behind my priius drops MPG from 55 to 40. A huge drop. And solar might do well in summer, but with only 27 degree sun angles at noon in the winter. your power is only 45% Of course, aerodynamics are everything. Was your trailer

Re: [EVDL] Easy to hard solar charging.

2018-10-30 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 30 Oct 2018 at 12:12, Lee Hart via EV wrote: Perhaps the panels could be stored when driving, and opened up when parked? Sounds technically feasible, but limited in utility. For one thing, I don't think that the in most cases it would be feasible fo

Re: [EVDL] NICAD Batteries

2018-11-04 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: I’m pretty sure that hazardous waste drop-offs do not recycle the batteries. Let me edit correct that - that is, unless they say that they do. Even then, I'm not even sure they do. The guy at the counter might not know. You'd have to explicitly say they were nic

[EVDL] Curtis 1227-2406 controller docs

2018-11-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Hi all, A friend called me today. He's building a personal mobility vehicle, and acquired a Curtis 1227-2406 controller on ebay for it. I can't find any data on this particular model. It appears to be a Curtis 1207B model (24v, 200a, microprocessor programmable). The 1207 has a whole range o

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
paul dove via EV wrote: Is the problem radiated emissions or conducted emissions anyone know? If radiated, it will cause problems not only for your own car; but will also wipe out AM in the car next to it! Our Prius has an AM radio, though it has a "tin ear" -- poor weak signal receptio

Re: [EVDL] NICAD Batteries

2018-11-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
ROBERT via EV wrote: I do not understand your statement "Also, I learned not to put them in an aluminum box " The original boxes were made of aluminum. In addition, I think all aircraft NiCad use aluminum boxes. My experience is that the potassium hydroxide electolyte is highly corrosive to a

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Roger Stockton via EV wrote: Hmm, maybe cost savings of putting a grounded shield around the motor and controller. For the AM radio, what could the cost be? $1.00? Good point; perhaps the real cost savings isn't the radio itself, but that its absence allows them to cut corners (and cost) elsew

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-10 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: Customer: The “X” feature in my car doesn’t work right. Dealer: That’s okay. We think that it’s “better” to use something else. That’s acceptable? Really? Sure it is! Marketing will convince him. Look, we've been convincing them to buy our ICEs for years! :-)

Re: [EVDL] EV sounds

2018-11-26 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: What I'd really like to see is an EV sound box that sounds like some of the extrordinary sounds collected in this Video. Great arc-n-spark shows! :-) My favorite EV sound effects were produced the monster General Electric GG-1 electric locomotive. First built in

Re: [EVDL] EV emission limits

2018-11-28 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: Looks like EVs and hybrids get an exemption from RF emission limist of the FCC’s part-15 limits. Looks like one could bulid a 1 MHz transmitter right in the middle of the AM broadcast band and run it at 50,000 watts from an EV battery and not violate part-15 limits!

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
George Tyler via EV wrote: I know my Prius computers draw a total of 250W standing still. if the leaf was similar, whats 250Wh consumed in an hour even if you did not move. Just a quick data point: My wife drove our 2013 Leaf to choir practice this evening. Temperature about 15 deg.F. It used

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Steve Heath via EV wrote: I'm not sure that I understand what the further complications are. As far as I can see, it should be just simple math. The energy use measured at the motor should be the same as the energy consumed at the battery, minus some percentage for losses in the controller, whic

Re: [EVDL] 600 dollar answer to a 3000 dollar problem.

2018-12-12 Thread Lee Hart via EV
The fundamental problem with these coolers is that they don't actually provide much cooling. Air conditioners used to be rated in "tons", which meant the number of tons of ice it would take to provide the same cooling. A 12,000 BTU air conditioner running for one day (24 hours) provides about t

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Toyota dealers say there is no sale$ demand.us forEVs

2018-12-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: I am wondering if Toyota... invested in Hydrogen, and now feels burned with developing new technology... or is comfortably milking their Hybrid technology... Or this was purely a *dealer* driven story, which should not determine their strategic direction…. Time will

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Toyota dealers say there is no sale$ demand.us forEVs

2018-12-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
it takes too long to recharge an EV EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:> Maybe not for long. Competition is starting to build for the fastest charge time. A couple of months ago, Porsche said they plan to develop their own high speed charging network for their forthcoming EVs. Their goal is to

Re: [EVDL] Toyota and the hydrogen wish.

2018-12-14 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: I like the last idea - Teslas to senators - but, I believe, it violates the gifts ethics rules. Oh, well. It would be effective. I like the idea, too. :-) Apple did something similar, by selling their computers to schools cheap, or even giving them away. It got their

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Toyota dealers say there is no sale$ demand.us forEVs

2018-12-15 Thread Lee Hart via EV
paul dove via EV wrote: I think that is true initially. But if you can get them to take the first bite they adapt very quickly. We bought a Model three for my wife to drive. She had range anxiety so we got the big battery with advertised 310 miles of range. When we first got it she would charge i

Re: [EVDL] Efficiency Compared: Battery-Electric 73%, Hydrogen 22%, ICE 13%

2018-12-23 Thread Lee Hart via EV
From: Lawrence Rhodes via EV >Subject: [EVDL] Efficiency Compared: Battery-Electric 73%, Hydrogen 22%, ICE >13% > With the numbers in the subject line. Why would anyone pick fool cells. Readers on this list are part of a very small minority that actually think about efficiency. The sad fact is

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

2018-12-24 Thread Lee Hart via EV
From: Mark Abramowitz via EV >See the subject of the thread for the bottom line answer, though things are >never as simple as a one-liner. That's for sure! It's not a simple problem; so there are no simple answers. If anyone who has a simple answer, it's probably wrong. :-) >For someone who wa

Re: [EVDL] fusewires for 18650 cells

2019-01-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
ken via EV wrote: Thou my cells are rather close in capity, I'm still thinkng of using fuse wire as in the telsa pack . If i used the phone cable 2 pair cable that runs around houses and used 3/4 inch form cell to bus bar would my 10 amp cells be protected ? As mentioned, phone wire is not

[EVDL] On the "hopeless" challenges of converting a car into an EV

2019-01-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Sigh... rarely have I seen more EV mis-information in one place. https://hackaday.com/2019/01/04/why-converting-classic-cars-to-electric-drive-is-a-thing/ They describe EV conversions as incredibly complicated and expensive; "toys" for the ultra-rich. They seem to think it can only be done by

Re: [EVDL] Rant&Rave: not charging in an EVSE spot> extremely frustrating

2019-01-08 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Paul Compton via EV wrote: On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 23:41, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: I would like to see the car succeed as I think safety, in addition to other features, was excellent. I disagree, Rick's attitude was 'crumple zones are marketing hype'. Yes, you need a strong cage to limit crus

Re: [EVDL] Rant&Rave: not charging in an EVSE spot> extremely frustrating

2019-01-08 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: IMO, Rick's idea with the Tango was brilliant... The problem was the car's price. Also, people with money don't want tiny, weird cars. They want big, luxurious cars. Elon Musk understood all this intuitively... I'm glad he's still pursuing his dream. I hope he

Re: [EVDL] Rant&Rave: not charging in an EVSE spot> extremely frustrating

2019-01-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Bobby Keeland via EV wrote: For me a battery electric vehicle does not need to look like a goofy toy. Willie via EV wrote: Of course, a BEV does not NEED to look any certain way. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Form follows function. Certainly the hidebound will demand certain appeara

Re: [EVDL] Rant&Rave: not charging in an EVSE spot> extremely frustrating

2019-01-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Gail Lucas via EV wrote: Just learned a new word: hidebound. There are SO many different car styles there must be wide preferences in appearance. Same as with clothing, houses, even food shown on the internet in pictures of what someone had for lunch and think anyone cares. Twizy and Citicar styl

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