Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
On 28 May 2014 16:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/27/2014 7:36 PM, LizR wrote: On 28 May 2014 14:12, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 2:24:39 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: As far as I can see Bruno has a logical argument which happens to segue into a theory of

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-28 Thread meekerdb
On 5/28/2014 12:35 AM, LizR wrote: On 28 May 2014 16:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/27/2014 7:36 PM, LizR wrote: On 28 May 2014 14:12, ghib...@gmail.com mailto:ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 2:24:39 AM UTC+1, Liz

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2014, at 02:59, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:13:38 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19:01 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 May 2014, at 19:02, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:46:47 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-28 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:46:05 PM UTC+1, John Ross wrote: Thank you, whoever it was that wrote the long paragraph. It reminds me of the only lawyer joke that I can remember. “Why do they bury Lawyers 8 feet deep.” “Because down deep they are not too bad.” I did learn the Law of

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Samiya Illias
On 28-May-2014, at 9:32 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Here's page 1307 - I would prefer it if you quoted whatever it is you're referring to rather than giving a link to a (rather difficult to access) online book, because it doesn't mean much to me... I did give the alternate

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:50 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 May 2014 23:31, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2014, at 02:35, LizR wrote: Pluto Bids To Get Back Planetary Status Pluto has at least five moons, an atmosphere and now a new analysis places its diameter as bigger than its outer solar system rival Eris.

Re: Films I think people on this forum might like

2014-05-28 Thread Terren Suydam
Just wanted to extend a hearty thanks to the list - just watched The Prestige last night. What a stunning movie - my mind is blown. If you're on this list and you haven't seen it, that's something you need to correct! :-) Terren On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Martin Abramson

study of salvia reportage - brain region pointed to

2014-05-28 Thread ghibbsa
- they were more likely to believe they were in an environment completely different from the physical space they were actually in - sounds familiar - they often believed to be interacting with beings such as hallucinated dead people, aliens, fairies or mythical creatures

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-28 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:48:25 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:50 PM, LizR liz...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On 26 May 2014 23:31, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com javascript: wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR liz...@gmail.com

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-28 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:13:44 AM UTC+1, Stephen Paul King wrote: To detect someone with Down's syndrome, sequence data is completely useless. Please elaborate! I do know of other ways that data can be organized...all I was actually quoting someone else the. But the confusion is my

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-28 17:45 GMT+02:00 ghib...@gmail.com: On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:13:44 AM UTC+1, Stephen Paul King wrote: To detect someone with Down's syndrome, sequence data is completely useless. Please elaborate! I do know of other ways that data can be organized...all I was actually

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-28 Thread John Ross
Good thinking. However, if charge is spread evenly over a sphere, parts of the charge would be touching adjacent parts so they would repel each other. As to your last question, the answer is simple. Tronnies combine to make three things: electrons (three tronnies), positrons (three

Re: Films I think people on this forum might like

2014-05-28 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Hugh Everett the 3rd, Bryce DeWitt, and John Archibald Wheeler, are mankind's' friends. (movie was loosely based on MWI) -Original Message- From: Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 28, 2014 11:20 am Subject: Re:

Re: Films I think people on this forum might like

2014-05-28 Thread John Clark
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.comwrote: Just wanted to extend a hearty thanks to the list - just watched The Prestige last night. What a stunning movie - my mind is blown. If you're on this list and you haven't seen it, that's something you need to

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Samiya Illias
You assume that Islam is unethical. Quranic teachings are based on beautiful moral principles and enjoin ethical and just relations among people. The Quran repeatedly enjoins good actions, read it and you'll be amazed how far from truth all the negative propaganda against it is! Whether

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-28 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:53:27 PM UTC+1, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-05-28 17:45 GMT+02:00 ghi...@gmail.com javascript:: On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:13:44 AM UTC+1, Stephen Paul King wrote: To detect someone with Down's syndrome, sequence data is completely useless. Please

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
Ok, so let's talk some specifics. Islamists issued death sentences on people for artistic expression. Famously on Salman Rushdie for writing a book, and several people for drawing Mohammed. When I was living in Paris, the building of a small publication was bombed for publishing a drawing of

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I am not assuming that it is unethical, but I have pieced together that the glorious, afterlife that has been promised, especially for males, is a sure incentive to behave aggressively toward Kufar (infidels). If behaving as such pleases the creator, and guarantees a shaheed (martyr) a bevy of

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
It depends on what perspective you're coming from, probably. For folk like myself who were raised with an abusive religion and left it for generic humanism, I'd recommend against reading the Quran unless you have something happier to detox your mind with afterward. I first read the Quran a

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
Yay! I'd be happy with a larger number of planets in our Solar System. Incidentally, since the current planet definition says that the object has to have cleared the other stuff from its orbit, that means that rogue planets aren't planets. :( And even less importantly, imagine a sci-fi story

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2014, at 03:24, LizR wrote: As far as I can see Bruno has a logical argument which happens to segue into a theory of physics. To disprove it, one merely needs to show that either his premises or his argument is wrong... Not exactly. The premise can be wrong, true, or

Re: study of salvia reportage - brain region pointed to

2014-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Nice post! Interesting, and indeed very reasonable with comp, in its expectable natural realizations. I agree on points on salvia too, except that salvia's reports witness extreme asymmetrical phenomena, which suggests some disconnection between the left brain and the right brain. Of

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread meekerdb
On 5/28/2014 9:50 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: You assume that Islam is unethical. Quranic teachings are based on beautiful moral principles and enjoin ethical and just relations among people. The Quran repeatedly enjoins good actions, read it and you'll be amazed how far from truth all the

Re: study of salvia reportage - brain region pointed to

2014-05-28 Thread Richard Ruquist
Bruno, I do not like comp in the form that it predicts MWI, that is Everett's reality. My perspective is based on belief, indeed religious belief that the universe is singular and that somehow a single quantum state is selected in each interaction from the assortment that can be rigorously

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Alberto G. Corona
When a discipline spend so much time in vacuous definitions, it is not a good sign. iWho knows maybe the next year a new gender studies on planetary bodies would help with some new recomendations 2014-05-28 16:58 GMT+02:00, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 28 May 2014, at 02:35, LizR wrote:

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
On 28 May 2014 19:46, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/28/2014 12:35 AM, LizR wrote: On 28 May 2014 16:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I think the more crucial step is arguing that computation (and therefore consciousness) can exist without physics. That physical

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2014 03:55, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: Good thinking. However, if charge is spread evenly over a sphere, parts of the charge would be touching adjacent parts so they would repel each other. But the repulsion would be finite, which was my point. In fact any shape

Re: Films I think people on this forum might like

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
Also, you should watch the entirety of Jonathan Creek (except perhaps for the last few episodes, in which the writer appears to have gone slightly off the rails unfortunately). But certainly the first few series' are well worth watching. It's like David Renwick's a (far more prolific)

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2014 00:48, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Interesting stuff. When I was a teenager, me and some friends would pretend that we ran a necrophilia fanzine. We would have conversations about it, just to disturb people in hearing range. The title of this fictitious

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-28 Thread John Ross
There are an equal number of electrons and positrons in our Universe. Each proton includes two positrons and only one electron. So the number of electrons outside of protons is equal to the number of positrons outside of protons plus half of the number of positrons inside protons. I think I

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
I may have been a bit harsh on you for using believe - it's OK in general discussions to mean something like this is what I think is likely but becomes a more loaded term when used to indicate something more outrageous, for example, that you don't think time dilation occurs. At that point it

Should animals be treated as people?

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/?utm_source=Twitterutm_medium=Socialutm_content=link_tw20140528news-loriutm_campaign=Contentsf3097303=1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: Should animals be treated as people?

2014-05-28 Thread meekerdb
On 5/28/2014 6:28 PM, LizR wrote: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/?utm_source=Twitterutm_medium=Socialutm_content=link_tw20140528news-loriutm_campaign=Contentsf3097303=1 The question is not,

Re: Should animals be treated as people?

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2014 13:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/28/2014 6:28 PM, LizR wrote: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528- lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji- science-world/?utm_source=Twitterutm_medium=Socialutm_

Re: Should animals be treated as people?

2014-05-28 Thread meekerdb
On 5/28/2014 6:48 PM, LizR wrote: On 29 May 2014 13:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/28/2014 6:28 PM, LizR wrote:

Re: Should animals be treated as people?

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2014 13:56, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/28/2014 6:48 PM, LizR wrote: On 29 May 2014 13:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/28/2014 6:28 PM, LizR wrote:

Re: study of salvia reportage - brain region pointed to

2014-05-28 Thread jasonre...@gmail.com
Richard, I suppose it comes down to what you call a universe. Would you say there is any difference that matters between a single universe that contains all possible experiences vs. Many universes which only in aggregate contain all possible universes? Jason - Reply message -

Re: Should animals be treated as people?

2014-05-28 Thread meekerdb
On 5/28/2014 7:14 PM, LizR wrote: On 29 May 2014 13:56, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/28/2014 6:48 PM, LizR wrote: On 29 May 2014 13:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/28/2014 6:28 PM, LizR

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Samiya Illias
On 28-May-2014, at 10:12 pm, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Ok, so let's talk some specifics. Islamists issued death sentences on people for artistic expression. Famously on Salman Rushdie for writing a book, and several people for drawing Mohammed. When I was living in

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2014 15:33, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Also, till about a century ago, almost all people, men and women, used to wear some sort of headgear, in most cultures. This was sensible, since diseases were far more prevalent, and far less curable, and people lose a lot of

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2014 15:33, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Homosexuality is considered a crime. Yes, the people of Sodom received divine punished for it. Verse 4:16 contains guidance for how to deal with this crime. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Samiya Illias
On 28-May-2014, at 10:21 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I am not assuming that it is unethical, but I have pieced together that the glorious, afterlife that has been promised, especially for males, is a sure incentive to behave aggressively

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2014 15:33, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Quran (5:38) prescribes cutting off the hand of the thief. I believe it is implemented in Saudi Arabia where theft incidences are very low. However, I have heard scholars argue that such laws can only be implemented in an ideal

Re: Should animals be treated as people?

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2014 15:07, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/28/2014 7:14 PM, LizR wrote: On 29 May 2014 13:56, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/28/2014 6:48 PM, LizR wrote: On 29 May 2014 13:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/28/2014 6:28 PM, LizR wrote:

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2014 15:33, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: So, my question to you is this: do you condemn these actions? If so, do you claim that they stem from a misunderstanding of the Quran? I am a Muslim. I believe the Quran to be divine guidance. Therefore, I accept everything in

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread meekerdb
On 5/28/2014 9:31 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: Quran (33:35) clearly states that there is forgiveness and vast reward for all men and women who submit, believe, obey, speak the truth, persevere, who are humble, who give alms, who fast, who guard their modesty and who remember Allah much. Clearly

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread LizR
I hate to use the argument from incredulity, but it really IS hard to imagine that someone who's so petty they don't like gays could have made this... On 29 May 2014 16:54, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/28/2014 9:31 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: Quran (33:35) clearly states that

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread meekerdb
Men rarely, if ever, manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. --- Robert A. Heinlein On 5/28/2014 9:59 PM, LizR wrote: I hate to use the argument from incredulity, but it really IS hard to imagine that someone who's so

Re: study of salvia reportage - brain region pointed to

2014-05-28 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:45 PM, jasonre...@gmail.com jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Richard, I suppose it comes down to what you call a universe. Would you say there is any difference that matters between a single universe that contains all possible experiences vs. Many universes which

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Samiya Illias
On 29-May-2014, at 12:07 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/28/2014 9:50 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: You assume that Islam is unethical. Quranic teachings are based on beautiful moral principles and enjoin ethical and just relations among people. The Quran repeatedly enjoins

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Samiya Illias
I have answered each question I'm detail. You haven't quoted the entire email, only the end part. On 29-May-2014, at 9:35 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 May 2014 15:33, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: So, my question to you is this: do you condemn these actions? If so,