Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 5/15/2015 10:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Bruce

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:07 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 May 2015 at 21:30, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Clouds, especially high clouds have some effect. They reflect visible bands back to space and they also absorb and reemit IR. Low clouds tend to increase

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:21 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 May 2015 at 21:38, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:07 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 May 2015 at 21:30, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Clouds, especially high

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
/articles/the-honor-of-being-mugged-by-climate-censors-1431558936 Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 07:52 AM Subject: Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
with this unseen WSJ article. I will send a site link which will show the full article. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Michael

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/15/2015 2:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:07 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 May 2015 at 21:30, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Clouds, especially high clouds have

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
Clouds, especially high clouds have some effect. They reflect visible bands back to space and they also absorb and reemit IR. Low clouds tend to increase heat load because they reflect in the day, but they insulate day and night. It's not magic, it's just calculation. Of course, I am

Re: Occulus (was Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 4:20 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/12/2015 7:02 PM, LizR wrote: Brent, that link doesn't work for me - did you miss something off the end? Oops! Shoulda been:

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
I disagree. I think this criticisms comes from a misinterpretation of what the p-value means. The p-value estimates the probability of seeing results at least as helpful to the hypothesis as the ones found, assuming the null hypothesis. A high p-value is informative because it tells us that

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
With climate change and cures for cancer you need statistics, because there are no such laws in these fields. There is no equation where you can plug-in a CO2 concentration and get a correct prediction on global temperature change. There's a law where you can plug in atmospheric

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 11:55 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I believe satellites and weather stations give a lot of samples of atmospheric temperature (and other properties, I assume). Yes, I am not questioning these readings. I believe that 2010 was warmer than any year in the previous

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:47 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: So all these hottest years on record we keep getting are made up? Just curious. ​ Admittedly this is from 2010, maybe the trend has reversed in last 5 years? How long is the record? What is the p-value for the hypothesis of

Entanglement Between Photons that have Never Coexisted

2015-05-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
In the scenario we present here, measuring the last photon affects the physical description of the first photon in the past, before it has even been measured. Thus, the ”spooky action” is steering the system’s past. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1209.4191v1.pdf -- You received this message because you

Re: quadratic voting

2015-05-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 06 May 2015, at 08:41, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-05-06 3:51 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 5/5/2015 5:34 PM, LizR wrote: On 5 May 2015 at 11:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Where

Re: quadratic voting

2015-05-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-05-06 3:51 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 5/5/2015 5:34 PM, LizR wrote: On 5 May 2015 at 11:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Where does the money go once it's bought votes? It's

Re: quadratic voting

2015-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 1:12 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/4/2015 2:54 PM, LizR wrote: On 5 May 2015 at 00:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 1:03 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, very. I haven't read the paper yet but I hope when

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2015, at 10:23, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:08 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 May 2015 at 06:45, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Of course believing

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:59 PM, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 4:03:50 PM UTC+2, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Alberto G. Corona agoc...@gmail.com wrote: Of course believing in the supernatural is absurd -- what does that even mean?

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
distinction is between communicable and non-communicable stuff. Science is about communicable stuff, but there is personal value in exploring the internal world -- although it won't get you a nobel prize or even any sort of recognition. -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes te

Re: Translation in the Fourth Spatial Dimension

2015-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Dennis Ochei do.infinit...@gmail.com wrot What are the terms for it? We have up/down left/right forward/backward ??/?? ? I don't think there's a name for that, but here's a nice game in 4D: http://miegakure.com/ They project 4D to 3D and let you

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
this? Have you seen this? http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.de/2015/03/paranormal-phenomena-nonlocal-mind-and.html Telmo. Mitch -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, May 3, 2015 2:45 pm

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:08 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 May 2015 at 06:45, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Of course believing in the supernatural is absurd -- what does that even mean? If, for example, ghosts were real, then this would just mean that current

quadratic voting

2015-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
Interesting idea: http://ericposner.com/quadratic-voting/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

Re: quadratic voting

2015-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
equality you get. The author proposes a mathematical proof that such a system would stabilize on an equal distribution of political power. Of course, there are many real world details that could make this idea fail miserably, but it's fun to think about. On 4 May 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
a nobel prize or even any sort of recognition. -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, May 4, 2015 4:19 am Subject: Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism! On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Of course believing in the supernatural is absurd -- what does that even mean? If, for example, ghosts were real, then this would just mean that current scientific theories are incomplete or wrong. So what? No

Re: quadratic voting

2015-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
Interesting idea: http://ericposner.com/quadratic-voting/ I see it's claimed to be more efficient and I can certainly see that. It will allow the Koch brothers to directly buy the laws they want without having to buy Congressmen. That is better, no? It means that their money is

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi spudboy, I follow Ben Goetzel and have some of the books he recommends on the topic on my to-read list. I remain agnostic on this stuff, and just try to consider the simplest explanation, even if it's boring. In the case of this story, this sounds a lot like the event was staged by some nice

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

2015-04-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
Ok, but you could equally say that all the universe does is attain the state of heat death, or that all a person does is end up dead. You are choosing to ignore the intermediate steps as unimportant, because you know the ultimate outcome. My point is that the intermediate steps are just

Re: God

2015-04-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
If you think that blacks did ok under slavery, and didn't perish hugely, you must be living in fantasy land. I am about as rightwing as one can get on this mailing list. But I am not fibbing in order to cleanse the facts of human history. While, I am at it, The Spaniards and Portuguese

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

2015-04-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: Bruce seems to ignore the (mind-body) problem, and to miss that the UDA just helps to make that problem more precise, in the frame of computationalism, and to make it more amenable to more

Re: crime and duplication machines

2015-04-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 24 Apr 2015, at 02:30, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:19 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: You should both go to jail, on the basis that both copies of you had the same consciousness as the person

Re: crime and duplication machines

2015-04-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:48 PM, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 5:55:46 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Apr 2015, at 02:30, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:19 AM, LizR liz...@gmail.com wrote: You should both go to jail

Re: Step 3 - one step beyond?

2015-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Dennis Ochei wrote: One must revise the everyday concept

Re: Where are they?

2015-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: The amazing thing is how what would happen in 100 trillion years may preoccupy so seriously to some people that would induce to suicide. Boltzman committed suicide in part because his own theories of termodinamical

crime and duplication machines

2015-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
My suspicion is that personal identity is a human concept that is evolved mainly to enforce social norms, and that it only works until technologies like duplication machines or mind uploading are created. To illustrate this, I propose a dilemma: Let's assume I murder someone and then get scanned

Re: crime and duplication machines

2015-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:19 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: You should both go to jail, on the basis that both copies of you had the same consciousness as the person who committed the murder, and therefore you are both equally responsible (leaving aside considerations of free will etc) I

Re: Step 3 - one step beyond?

2015-04-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Dennis Ochei wrote: One must revise the everyday concept of personal identity because it isn't even coherent. It's like youre getting mad at him for explaining combustion without reference to phlogiston. He can't

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Telmo Menezes *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:22 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Food for thought On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 6:36 AM, meekerdb

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
Current global growth estimates are that every two days, the world is now creating as much new digital information as all the data ever created from the dawn of humans through the current century. It has been estimated that by 2020, the size of the world’s digital universe will be close to

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 6:36 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/17/2015 11:56 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Current global growth estimates are that every two days, the world is now creating as much new digital information as all the data ever created from

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 15 April 2015 at 10:15, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com mailto: johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: Yes but I'm confused, I though you were the one arguing that Bruno had discovered something new

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 15 April 2015 at 10:15, John Clark johnkcl

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
My problem with any view based on entropy is that entropy doesn't appear to be fundamental to physics; it is the statistically likely result when objects are put in a certain configuration and allowed to evolve randomly. There is, however, an interesting parallel to be made with Shannon's

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Liz, Ok. I have an idea about that, it is probably not original. Tell me what you think: The universe was not created. All possible states just exist. The moment of the big bang is one of the many possible states. What we call the past is a sequence of steps in the state graph that are

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 12:44 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 , Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: I have this crazy idea to remove the supposed ambiguity: ask a specific Telmo if his prediction was correct or not. If Telmo were logical

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 10:16 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/13/2015 7:39 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Comp does not specify a substitution level. Maybe it's the brain, maybe the whole body or the entire planet. The duplication machines assume the body, but then this restriction

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
: 2015-04-13 19:50 GMT+02:00 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com: On Tuesday, April 14, 2015, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Telmo

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 5:31 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: John Clark wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto: te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: And now that I have answered you question I repeat my question that you dodged

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Apr 2015, at 05:31, Bruce Kellett wrote: The philosophical literature is full of extended discussions on this, and it is widely understood that ideas such as brain transplants and

Re: Mathematical Self-Reproduction

2015-04-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
Thanks Telmo. I have looked only to the 1/3 video. I am shocked myself by my accent, and I have discovered that I do oral typos now ... I hate listening to my own voice recorded, I believe that's very common. I think it's easy to understand and gives you character. I have worked with many

Mathematical Self-Reproduction

2015-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi everyone, Mysteriously, I came across the videos of a very recent talk by Bruno entitled Mathematical Self-Reproduction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATl86jBfwqI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76iuXcVOAuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5etar0vQYnI Bruno, hope you don't mind me posting

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:43 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: And now that I have answered you question I repeat my question that you dodged: Who is traveling through time in a forward direction, Mr. John Clark

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:40 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Who is traveling through time in a forward direction, Mr. John Clark or Mr. John Clark The Helsinki Man? Have you ever met

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 2:42 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Brent: Communism is not a terrible idea - it works fine for families. A lot of political problems come from trying to extend ethics that evolved for families and small tribes to nation states of millions of unrelated people.

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 3:10 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2015 at 01:43, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: You left out traveling through time in a forward direction. Who is traveling through time in a forward direction, Mr. John Clark or Mr. John Clark

Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
Thanks Brent! On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:20 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: For Telmo. Brent Forwarded Message Thomas Jefferson is credited with the following sage advice, *“The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
or duplicating machines you have to specify which Telmo Menezes or which you in the exact same way. No it is not exactly the same way. With copying machines John Clark can see 6.02 *10^23 Telmo Menezes running around and has no idea which one is Mr. You, They will all believe to be Telmo

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 9:45 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: It was a totalitarian government, like within a single corporation. Nothing at all like Marx imagined. Where Marx's idea has been realized is in the Amana colonies in the US and the kibbutz in Israel. So why didn't they

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:04 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: If you take the MWI seriously, then you are open to the possibility that you are constantly being duplicated If the MWI is true then it's

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 10:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/4/2015 6:19 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi John On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:10 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: TELMO: I did not expect from you to point to the 2 centuries old obsolete and theoretical exercise

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
. Best, Telmo. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:04 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:19 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 15:18, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: In practice

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:42 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: I is a single entity travelling through time in the forward direction. If matter copying machines exist there would be nothing single about it, Mr. I

mysterious radio signal

2015-04-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
Fast Radios Bursts (FRBs) show large dispersion measures (DMs), suggesting an extragalactic location. We analyze the DMs of the 11 known FRBs in detail and identify steps as integer multiples of half the lowest DM found, 187.5cm−3 pc, so that DMs occur in groups centered at 375, 562, 750, 937,

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

2015-04-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

2015-04-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 9:13 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 19:40, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:09 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: As mentioned in another thread, the media have (as it were) blown the Islamic threat up out of all proportion. Climate change is a FAR greater threat to civilisation than ISIS will ever be. That is true. It is also true that ISIS

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

2015-04-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing,

Re: Geenralised game playing

2015-04-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Liz, Yes, this is quite exciting, more so than Watson or Deep Blue because it tries to be more generic. The latest wave of excitement seems to come from Google's Deep Mind. Here's a paper about it, with some videos you can see even without paying:

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-31 12:11 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-31 10:37 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-31 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 07:04:10AM -0400, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Well, its not the new jihadists I blame, but the (yes) leftist academics, politicians, and news thugs, that have long, empowered, and

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-31 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-31 10:37 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 07:04:10AM -0400, spudboy100 via Everything

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-31 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Liz, You may be right. I am surely not going to debate that there are a lot of people who were lucky enough to have been born in optimal conditions and feel superior to people who were just less lucky. For this reason, they will support ideas that are just self-serving rationalizations. The

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 30 Mar 2015, at 11:19 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 March 2015 at 08:39, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/29/2015 3:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Please! Hunter Gatherers - warriors is a boys

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:04 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 March 2015 at 23:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: The characteristics of a gender have been evolved by millions of years of selection, and women preferences play a role in this selection process. Not just

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:33 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 11:57 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Ok... Well now everybody can see you as you really are, And

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 28 Mar 2015, at 9:12 pm, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi Kim, On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 26 Mar 2015, at 2:21 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:39 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/29/2015 3:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Please! Hunter Gatherers - warriors is a boys' club term for it. I can accept that the term warrior glorifies something nasty, but what term to use? Hunter Gatherer

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:41 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Sadly, it's quite clear that Mr Clark has no wish to engage with the argument being presented. It's fair to say that on this subject, at least, rather than attempt to understand the point being made, he's resorted to insults and

Re: Something from nothing -- my attempt of derivation of a UTM.

2015-03-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Mindey I. min...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, Hi Mindey, welcome. so, my background: http://mindey.com/42 -- I always wanted to know its origin precisely. The understanding of the origin of Universe(=Everything, Multiverse, and our Life experience

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:40 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: You are saying that step 3 is trivial, so you admit that it is correct No. The first 2 steps are trivialities dressed up in pompous language

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:01 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone else worried that the list is descending to a low place? It's interesting, Quentin The Horse Fucker has been calling me Liar Clark about

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-28 19:04 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:01 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Kim, On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 26 Mar 2015, at 2:21 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.raqqa-sl.com/en/?p=857 So most of these women are Brits? WTF! Makes your blood run cold. People are turning into zombies left right and

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 6:01 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: I don't think anyone claims that the duplicating machines are an analogy for the MWI. Quentin The Horse Fucker claims EXACTLY that and even calls me

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:15 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: it will be more than human. I'm not sure what that means. It means that a future machine can perform any task in a way that is superior to way

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Generally when Watson was wrong he knew he was probably wrong. I find that significant. I find that significant too, but this probability

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:15 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: John is inconsistent... he asserts that theory for duplication machines, and so say that he can never say anything about his future expectations because he

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/23/2015 1:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:50 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: I said it before I'll say it again

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:52 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: In my opinion the fundamental problem with the Turing Test is that passing it is an act of deception. The computer has to fake being a human. Lying

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 6:23 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: And anyway the really important thing isn't if you can detect if the thing you're talking to is a human but if you can detect if the thing you're

Re: TEPCO admits Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 core completely melted down

2015-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
- From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Mar 21, 2015 5:24 pm Subject: Re: TEPCO admits Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 core completely melted down On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:08 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3

Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:50 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: I said it before I'll say it again, only somebody terrified of machine intelligence would make that argument. Who is making that argument? Not me. Not

Re: TEPCO admits Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 core completely melted down

2015-03-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
(with Storage) may now be the past of least resistance. Fair enough. I don't know either, I just have the impression that a lot of people who protest nuclear power (and influence political decisions) also don't know. Telmo. -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Mar 2015, at 21:38, Telmo Menezes wrote: It is the p in []p p, which makes machine's knowledge not definable in term of number and machine. S4Grz formalizable at a level, what the machine cannot formalize

Re: TEPCO admits Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 core completely melted down

2015-03-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
-03-23 9:58 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 3:48 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I am saying that I don't know if uranium fission can be made safer, and cheaper. I also think that part of the cost is waste

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:36 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/20/2015 3:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:25 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 March 2015 at 20:57, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: A fundamental difference in science

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 March 2015 at 08:51, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: Because I spotted a blunder in the proof about 3 years ago and despite reams of blather in hundreds of posts you were unable to fix it. Only a fool would keep

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
It is the p in []p p, which makes machine's knowledge not definable in term of number and machine. S4Grz formalizable at a level, what the machine cannot formalize about herself (but can bet on, ...). Thanks to incompleteness, the Theaetetus' definition makes sense, and distinguish the

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