Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-08 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, March 8, 2014 6:16:16 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:39 AM, meekerdb > > wrote: > > > There's no plausible theory by which clouds could nullify the warming > caused by increased CO2 > > > If not clouds it's crystal clear that SOMETHING is capable of nulli

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-08 Thread spudboy100
28 pm Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com extinction rate is already 10,000 times the average background rate; >>Chris, this is an

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-08 Thread Edgar L. Owen
John, I don't know where you are getting your data but the data I've seen shows a fairly neat CORRELATION of global temps and CO2. Would you like to give us a link that shows otherwise that is authoritative? Edgar On Saturday, March 8, 2014 1:16:16 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > On Fri, M

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-08 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:56 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Chris de

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-08 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:36 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Chris de

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-07 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > > You seem innocent of how the drug cartels operate and just how violent > they are. > I not only know they're very violent I know why they're violent. If government made chocolate bars illegal the demand for chocolate bars would not en

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-07 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > -- > >> >>> Energy and all other non-renewable and critical resources should be >>> taxed and taxed heavily >> >> >> >> So you think it likely that people will not voluntarily use less >> energy but will vot

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-07 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:39 AM, meekerdb wrote: > There's no plausible theory by which clouds could nullify the warming > caused by increased CO2 > If not clouds it's crystal clear that SOMETHING is capable of nullifying the warming caused by increased CO2 because during the late Ordovician era

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-07 Thread LizR
Phew! Problem solved! http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/ON-British-boy-builds-fusion-reactor-080314st.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to e

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-07 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com extinction rate is already 10,000 times the average background rate; >>Chris, this is an artificial rate, as useless, except to Greens, as events cause extinctions, not ave

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-07 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: John Clark To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 1:20 PM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > Really I am laughing out l

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-07 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 9:42:57 PM UTC, cdemorsella wrote: > > > > -- > *From:* John Clark > > *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 5, 2014 7:39 AM > *Subject:* Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-07 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > Really I am laughing out loud -- for real. John I would love to see you > try to get into the hard drug distribution black market > Just curious, is there any particular reason you think I haven't already done so? > > > hopefully not ge

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-07 Thread spudboy100
is is not for you and I too decide, Chris, but the super rich ;-) -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:34 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: "spudboy...@aol.com"

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-07 Thread LizR
The fact that climate modelling is hard is not a reason to ignore it or to disregard the results. Water vapour is the main greenhouse gas but it comes and goes (clouds, fog, etc). CO2 stays put and has increased by 50% since the Industrial Revolution (indeed about 20% in my lifetime). A warmer wor

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 9:39 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 3/6/2014 10:40 AM, John Clark wrote

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread meekerdb
On 3/6/2014 10:40 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:22 PM, mailto:ghib...@gmail.com>> wrote: > you said somewhere you weren't bothered about the 0.8C rise to date That's right, the Human race has never been more numerous, longer lived, better educated or richer than it is to

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: "spudboy...@aol.com" >>Chris, at some point we must ask basic questions, such as, do the toilets >>flush, and do the lights come on? We are not, I believe, speaking here about >>Bruno's UDA, versus Tegmark's MUH, but how well our civilizations flou

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread spudboy100
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Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
> > > >On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:43 PM, LizR wrote: > > > >> they seem to mostly have a religious belief in free market capitalism, >> despite there never having been such a thing >> > >Actually there has been, the black-market. > > >Really I am laughing out loud -- for real. John I would love to

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread LizR
On 7 March 2014 09:14, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > -- > *From:* John Clark > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:48 AM > > *Subject:* Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > &g

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread LizR
On 7 March 2014 09:00, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, LizR wrote: > > > If we are obliged to conserve angular momentum, surely car engines (and >> tidal power generators) aren't going to work very well? >> > > No, conserving angular momentum isn't just a good idea, it's the

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
ituation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating         From: John Clark To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:> The biggest energ

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread LizR
On 7 March 2014 07:48, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:43 PM, LizR wrote: > > > they seem to mostly have a religious belief in free market capitalism, >> despite there never having been such a thing >> > > Actually there has been, the black-market. > Ooh yes, good point - just as t

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: John Clark To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 11:55 AM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > >>>I am certai

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: John Clark To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:48 AM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:43 PM, LizR wrote: > they seem to mostly have a religious bel

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, LizR wrote: > If we are obliged to conserve angular momentum, surely car engines (and > tidal power generators) aren't going to work very well? > No, conserving angular momentum isn't just a good idea, it's the law; and yet car engines and tidal power generators s

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > > >>I am certainly in favor of energy efficiency, only a fool would not be, > but it is not the solution to our energy problem because when a commodity > like energy becomes cheaper people simply use more of it. If somebody > invented a

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:43 PM, LizR wrote: > they seem to mostly have a religious belief in free market capitalism, > despite there never having been such a thing > Actually there has been, the black-market. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:22 PM, wrote: > you said somewhere you weren't bothered about the 0.8C rise to date > That's right, the Human race has never been more numerous, longer lived, better educated or richer than it is today so global warming seems to have caused little harm and may even have

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread spudboy100
it off the road. Unsafe at any speed. Good on fuel though. No talking can replace physics. -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 4:43 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: John Clark <johnkc

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 1:17 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating This is certainly one subject on which I

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread LizR
This is certainly one subject on which I totally agree with you, Chris. And if we do hit the wall, we'll be back in the Middle Ages - for good this time, or at least until some extinction level event finishes us off - something that would have been trivial to avoid if we'd grown up and become a st

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-05 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:05 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> There are over 7 billion people on the planet, never before in the history of the Earth has a large animal (over 50 pounds) of the

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-05 Thread LizR
If we are obliged to conserve angular momentum, surely car engines (and tidal power generators) aren't going to work very well? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-05 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: John Clark To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > The biggest energy source

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-05 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, March 3, 2014 5:48:20 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 Chris de Morsella >wrote: > > > With power stations you don't need to worry about the same factors >> (energy density etc) but you do need to worry about other things >> > > And one of those other things you

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-05 Thread LizR
On 6 March 2014 04:39, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Chris de Morsella > wrote: > > > The biggest energy source we have available in fact is energy efficiency. >> > > I am certainly in favor of energy efficiency, only a fool would not be, > but it is not the solution to ou

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-05 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:05 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> There are over 7 billion people on the planet, never before in the >> history of the Earth has a large animal (over 50 pounds) of the same >> species been that numerous or even come close to it. To keep all of those >> people alive other animals

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-05 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > The biggest energy source we have available in fact is energy efficiency. > I am certainly in favor of energy efficiency, only a fool would not be, but it is not the solution to our energy problem because when a commodity like energy bec

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-05 Thread spudboy100
: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 11:38 pm Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situ

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-05 Thread spudboy100
. But its there if someone wants it. -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 7:40 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 5 March 2014 09:56, wrote: according to a study today out in New Scientist, a researcher

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-05 Thread LizR
hing-list@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > > > > On 5 March 2014 09:56, wrote: > > according to a study today out in New Scientist, a researcher has > estimated that OTEC power,even with 3% efficiency, can produ

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 5 March 2014 09:56, wrote: according to a

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-04 Thread LizR
On 5 March 2014 08:05, meekerdb wrote: > But there's no rule that there have to be 7 billion people (and going to > 9). Where ever the Enlightenment and technology have displaced religion > and poverty the birthrate has dropped to below replacement. > > Specifically in places where women have e

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-04 Thread LizR
On 5 March 2014 09:56, wrote: > according to a study today out in New Scientist, a researcher has > estimated that OTEC power,even with 3% efficiency, can produce 4000 times > our current consumption. It may even be affordable. We may have a good way > out. > > What's OTEC? Oops silly me, Il'l lo

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-04 Thread spudboy100
: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 1:23 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:42 PM, wrote: > What if the sad choice is saving the environment or human beings? At least to some degree that is indeed the choice. There are over 7 billion people on

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-04 Thread meekerdb
But there's no rule that there have to be 7 billion people (and going to 9). Where ever the Enlightenment and technology have displaced religion and poverty the birthrate has dropped to below replacement. Brent On 3/4/2014 10:23 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:42 PM, mailto:sp

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-04 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:42 PM, wrote: > What if the sad choice is saving the environment or human beings? > At least to some degree that is indeed the choice. There are over 7 billion people on the planet, never before in the history of the Earth has a large animal (over 50 pounds) of the same

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-03 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 Chris de Morsella wrote: > With power stations you don't need to worry about the same factors (energy density etc) but you do need to worry about other th

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-03 Thread LizR
things whirl about them. Sadly, as > Michael Savage once said, Knowledge is not power, usually it's torment. > Ignorance, is power. This is not always true, but it often seems so. > > > -Original Message- > From: LizR > To: everything-list > Sent: 03-Mar-2014 20:15:2

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-03 Thread spudboy100
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Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-03 Thread LizR
On 4 March 2014 14:07, wrote: > Look at it this way, unless you are very rich and contribute tons of cash > to politicians, we will probably have no influence on this issue. If I had > my wishes I would like fund the building of unsinkable (like the Titanic) > cities and wildlife sanctuaries on t

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-03 Thread spudboy100
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Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-03 Thread LizR
On 4 March 2014 13:42, wrote: > What if the sad choice is saving the environment or human beings? > > Human beings, no question (in my opinion) Of course we've already destroyed the REAL environment, most of it 1000s of years ago, mainly as a result of inventing agriculture (and fire). My concer

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-03 Thread spudboy100
What if the sad choice is saving the environment or human beings? -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 6:46 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 4 March 2014 06:48, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2014

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-03 Thread LizR
"was is" - sorry, I hit send too soon. (Pick one!) I'm also for wind farms, when I lived in Wellington we had lots of those and I was quite happy with them. If you've got it...! And I would be for nuclear, if it could be shown to be safe (within reason). Nuclear free New Zealand relies heavily on

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-03 Thread LizR
On 4 March 2014 06:48, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 Chris de Morsella wrote: > > > With power stations you don't need to worry about the same factors >> (energy density etc) but you do need to worry about other things >> > > And one of those other things you need to worry about is

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-03 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 Chris de Morsella wrote: > With power stations you don't need to worry about the same factors > (energy density etc) but you do need to worry about other things > And one of those other things you need to worry about is dimwitted and hypocritical environmentalists who don't

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-01 Thread spudboy100
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RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 3:18 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Occupy was a Soros funded org

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-01 Thread LizR
On 2 March 2014 12:18, wrote: > Occupy was a Soros funded org liz. It started with a Canadian mag call Add > Busters, and is Soros owned. It was, what the dems called an astro-turf > organization, created to react to the losses in the 2010 elections, due to > us Tea Baggers. It was the idea that

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-01 Thread spudboy100
pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 28 February 2014 07:11, wrote: Why trust any of these billionaires?? Why trust the Koch's if you don't trust Soros (like me)? Let us call the US system what it is-a plutocracy. Run from the law firms on K

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 2:00 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Since this thread is about Fukushima, can I

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-01 Thread LizR
Since this thread is about Fukushima, can I just mention that if all the power stations in the world could somehow switch to using renewables while all vehicles in the world (bar a tiny few) continued to use fossil fuels, that would STILL be a big boost for the environment. With power stations you

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-01 Thread meekerdb
On 3/1/2014 10:04 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Chris de Morsella > wrote: >> Who cares about gravimetric density? > Evidently you don't; that much is clear. The automobile companies that are moving towards electric vehicl

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: >> Who cares about gravimetric density? > Evidently you don't; that much is clear. The automobile companies that are mo

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-01 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: >> Who cares about gravimetric density? >> > > > Evidently you don't; that much is clear. The automobile companies that > are moving towards electric vehicles care - and care a lot. > Why? They care about weight and how much energy it can

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:34 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:42 PM

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 12:23 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:45 AM

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-28 Thread LizR
The great thing is, we don't need to *store* all the energy we use. Quite a lot of it is generated on the basis of the load being drawn from a grid, and that energy can be created by any means available, or indeed a mixture, with the undesirable (polluting/running out) forms being replaced whenever

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-28 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > >>Well if you can store 61 times more energy, that just means there's > room for improvement in the existing batteries... Good news, if nature was > able to do it so can we I hope. > > >Zinc-air batteries, [...] offers about twice the

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-28 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > > >>Well if you can store 61 times more energy, that just means there's > room for improvement in the existing batteries... Good news, if nature was > able to do it so can we I hope. > > Zinc-air batteries, offers about twice the grav

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-28 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:42 PM, LizR wrote: > > >>> Why bother with all these other power sources when you have a fusion >>> reactor in the astronomical backyard? >>> >> >> >> Because the energy density decreases with the square of the distance >> and the fusion reactor is 93 million miles away

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 3:42 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 28 February 2014 06:43, John Clark

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
>>Well if you can store 61 times more energy, that just means there's room for >>improvement in the existing batteries... Good news, if nature was able to do >>it so can we I hope. Zinc-air batteries, which combine atmospheric oxygen and zinc metal in a liquid alkaline electrolyte to genera

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
>> even if the price dropped to zero it wouldn't be enough to completely take over from nuclear and fossil fuel because it would still be too dilute and too unreliable and unpredictable for many, perhaps most, applications. > So say you. and yet just this year alone - 2014 - it is projected

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread LizR
On 28 February 2014 14:07, meekerdb wrote: > > Which led to an amusing fad of eating ice to lose weight in the 60's. At > 80cal/g just to melt the ice and another 30cal/g or so to raise it to body > temperature it appeared that just eating some ice cubes could completely > cancel out a big meal.

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread LizR
On 28 February 2014 13:38, Russell Standish wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:47:05PM +1300, LizR wrote: > > On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark wrote: > > > > > > > > Food energy is not all that dilute, a 1000 calorie jelly doughnut has > > > about as much chemical energy as a hand grenade

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread meekerdb
On 2/27/2014 4:38 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:47:05PM +1300, LizR wrote: On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark wrote: Food energy is not all that dilute, a 1000 calorie jelly doughnut has about as much chemical energy as a hand grenade. You have 1000 calorie jelly

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:47:05PM +1300, LizR wrote: > On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark wrote: > > > > > Food energy is not all that dilute, a 1000 calorie jelly doughnut has > > about as much chemical energy as a hand grenade. > > > > You have 1000 calorie jelly doughnuts??? (What's that

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Well if you can store 61 times more energy, that just means there's room for improvement in the existing batteries... Good news, if nature was able to do it so can we I hope. Le 28 févr. 2014 00:50, "LizR" a écrit : > On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark wrote: > >> Lithium batteries are the mo

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread LizR
On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark wrote: > Lithium batteries are the most energy dense batteries in use today and > also the most expensive, they can store .72 megajoules per kilogram, > gasoline stores 44 megajoules per kilogram; so gasoline is 61 times more > energy dense than the best batt

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread LizR
On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark wrote: > > Food energy is not all that dilute, a 1000 calorie jelly doughnut has > about as much chemical energy as a hand grenade. > > You have 1000 calorie jelly doughnuts??? (What's that in metric units?) -- You received this message because you are sub

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread LizR
On 28 February 2014 07:11, wrote: > > Why trust any of these billionaires?? Why trust the Koch's if you don't > trust Soros (like me)? Let us call the US system what it is-a plutocracy. > Run from the law firms on K-street in Washington, DC. Technically, its a > corporatism form of government. Be

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread LizR
On 28 February 2014 06:43, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:50 PM, LizR wrote: > > > Why bother with all these other power sources when you have a fusion >> reactor in the astronomical backyard? >> > > Because the energy density decreases with the square of the distance and > the f

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: >> even if the price dropped to zero it wouldn't be enough to completely >> take over from nuclear and fossil fuel because it would still be too dilute >> and too unreliable and unpredictable for many, perhaps most, applications. >> > > S

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread spudboy100
reason to embrace the Ruling Class, axiomatically. -Original Message- From: Edgar L. Owen To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 9:07 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Guys, David Koch can't be all bad since he is a major financial s

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Feb 2014, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote: On 2/25/2014 2:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 February 2014 11:18, meekerdb wrote: On 2/25/2014 1:23 PM, LizR wrote: The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new components (i.e. different types of generators - nuclear etc) and ever

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:50 PM, LizR wrote: > Why bother with all these other power sources when you have a fusion > reactor in the astronomical backyard? > Because the energy density decreases with the square of the distance and the fusion reactor is 93 million miles away, and because the ene

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Edgar L. Owen
? They can't seem to find anyone > guilty of anything in the housing bubble debacle, but they can sure bust > some medical marijuana sellers in Seattle. > > -Original Message----- > From: meekerdb > > To: everything-list > > Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 10

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread spudboy100
x27;t seem to find anyone guilty of anything in the housing bubbledebacle, but they can sure bust some medical marijuana sellers inSeattle. -Original Message- From: meekerdb To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 10:23 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima ap

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread spudboy100
d megatons of US coal into Germany's air as a result. -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 6:52 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 27 February 2014 12:08, wrote: Well, Liz, not to be a "nattering na

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:54 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:40

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:39 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:53

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-26 Thread meekerdb
On 2/26/2014 3:22 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Here in the States, we have the executive branch using the IRS and the FBI to go after enemies of the progressives. Enemies? You mean those organizations like "Retake America" that claimed to be charitable organizations not engaging in any polit

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-26 Thread Brian Tenneson
This is what they call a google bomb. Historians may think google searches represent something about the mind of humanity. So this particular google bomb might lead them to think the Fukushima reactor exploded in 2014. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-26 Thread LizR
On 27 February 2014 12:08, wrote: > Well, Liz, not to be a "nattering nabob of negativism," but its too > diffuse. It's not like hydroelectric, we can gather up at one 'choke point' > and then draw in to spin turbines, Its spread all over the surface of the > Earth (the target zone). Therefore, e

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-26 Thread spudboy100
level leadership and organization, but YOUexemplify the obstruction to that with your Ayn Rand fear ofgovernment and dogmatic faith in 'free markets'. Brent -Original Message- From: meekerdb To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:31 pm Subject: Re: The sit

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-26 Thread spudboy100
o be 33 trillion times what we use. But I have given up on solar and fusion, because it either works now or it doesn't. Color me too impatient. -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:50 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be dete

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