Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

Subject: Re: Why Does Anything Exist? On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 10:17 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Mar 2021, at 17:26, Tomas Pales wrote:   A square circle is equal to itself, arguably. No, a square circle is a circle that is not a circle, Obviously, a square circle is a circle

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 10:17 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 14 Mar 2021, at 17:26, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > >> A square circle is equal to itself, arguably. >> > > No, a square circle is a circle that is not a circle, > > > Obviously, a square circle is a circle. It is a counter-example to the

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On 3/17/2021 2:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Mar 2021, at 19:53, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 3/16/2021 2:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Mar 2021, at 10:23, smitra > wrote: On 14-03-2021 20:03,

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> On 16 Mar 2021, at 19:53, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/16/2021 2:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 15 Mar 2021, at 10:23, smitra wrote: >>> >>> On 14-03-2021 20:03, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 3/14/2021 3:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On 3/16/2021 2:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Mar 2021, at 10:23, smitra wrote: On 14-03-2021 20:03, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 3/14/2021 3:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The laws are constructs of the human mind. [Lawrence] The expression of the laws are constructs of

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> On 15 Mar 2021, at 10:23, smitra wrote: > > On 14-03-2021 20:03, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >> On 3/14/2021 3:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The laws are constructs of the human mind. [Lawrence] >>> The expression of the laws are constructs of the human mind, but I >>>

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no > Philip Benjamin > > everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of Jason Resch verything List > Subject: Re: Why Does Anything Exist? On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 5:24 AM Bruno > Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > > I comment both Benjamin and Lawrence. &

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> On 14 Mar 2021, at 17:26, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 10:57:08 AM UTC+1 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > But what is an object? > > Anything that is identical to itself. It also seems necessary that every > object is part of a greater object and has properties.

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> On 14 Mar 2021, at 16:53, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 5:24:27 AM UTC-5 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > I comment both Benjamin and Lawrence. > > > >> On 12 Mar 2021, at 16:56, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 4:30:26 PM UTC-6

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ization built on the foundation of >> the Apostolic discourse at Athenian Mars Hill (Acts 17) where the >> Greco-Roman Unknown god was identified as the aseitous Adonai (plural) YHWH >> (singular) Elohim (uni-plural) of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles. >>

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On 14-03-2021 20:03, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 3/14/2021 3:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The laws are constructs of the human mind. [Lawrence] The expression of the laws are constructs of the human mind, but I guess you are OK that F=GmM/r^2 was as much approximately true

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On 3/14/2021 3:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The laws are constructs of the human mind.  [Lawrence] The expression of the laws are constructs of the human mind, but I guess you are OK that F=GmM/r^2 was as much approximately true before human life appears on this planet and after. OK? I

RE: Why Does Anything Exist?

producing life (consciousness) or E ternal LIFE producing both dead-matter and life (consciousness)? Philip Benjamin everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Jason Resch verything List Subject: Re: Why Does Anything Exist? On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 5:24 AM Bruno Marchal mailto:marc

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On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 10:57:08 AM UTC+1 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > But what is an object? > Anything that is identical to itself. It also seems necessary that every object is part of a greater object and has properties. > We cannot really invoke “reality” as its very nature is part of

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 5:24:27 AM UTC-5 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > I comment both Benjamin and Lawrence. > > > > On 12 Mar 2021, at 16:56, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 4:30:26 PM UTC-6 medinuclear wrote: > >> [*Brent Meeker*] >> >>

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Progressive pagans with un-awakened consciousness cannot escape the >> questions of causality, aseity, morality, meaning and telos by simply >> evading them or assuming illogically the aseity of Dead Matter. >> > > I think that most “progressive pagans” never really assumed the e

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ty, meaning and telos by simply evading > them or assuming illogically the aseity of Dead Matter. > I think that most “progressive pagans” never really assumed the existence of Dead Matter, nor even of any Matter, to begin with. Bruno > Philip Benjamin > > > > F

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> On 12 Mar 2021, at 14:42, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 1:30:55 PM UTC+1 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > I translate this by “an object is an element of a set together with some > structure or laws. OK? So vectors, numbers, maps, can all be seen as > (mathematical)

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On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 11:02:45 PM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > So then is it possible that there is a dog in your bathroom, at this > moment? > No. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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On 3/12/2021 1:09 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 1:03:38 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: On 3/11/2021 2:23 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 10:27:35 PM UTC+1 Brent wrote: On 3/11/2021 9:44 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Thursday,

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On 3/12/2021 12:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: So, the algorithm to save democracy and science would be 1) abolish the prohibition laws (or equivalently, reinstate the free-market, If you lived in Texas, you'd have a $16,000 electric bill.  :-) Brent -- You received this message because you

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 2:20 PM Telmo Menezes wrote: >>without the laws of physics a Turing machine can't exist, > > > *> The laws of physics are a human construct.* > No. Humans are a law of physics construct. > * > Mathematically different sets of laws can fit the same experimental >

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Progressive pagans with un-awakened consciousness cannot escape the > questions of causality, aseity, morality, meaning and telos by simply > evading them or assuming illogically the aseity of Dead Matter. > > *Philip Benjamin* > > > > *From:* 'Brent Meeker' Tuesday, M

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 4:00:51 PM UTC-6 Bruce wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:00 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:41 AM Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >>> Nothingness is a paradoxical thing. Does nothingness exist? If so, then >>> by having existential properties it

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> On 11 Mar 2021, at 20:20, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > Am Do, 11. Mär 2021, um 18:05, schrieb John Clark: >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 8:09 AM Jason Resch > > wrote: >> >> > So if 2+2=4, then thoughts exist. >> >> But if I think 2+2 = 5 then thoughts

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 1:30:55 PM UTC+1 Bruno Marchal wrote: I translate this by “an object is an element of a set together with some > structure or laws. OK? So vectors, numbers, maps, can all be seen as > (mathematical) object. > Yes. (And with mechanism, we can then deduce that

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> On 11 Mar 2021, at 19:05, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 8:09 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > > > So if 2+2=4, then thoughts exist. > > But if I think 2+2 = 5 then thoughts still exist, That is ambiguous. Strictly speaking if 2+2=5, I am the

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

> On 11 Mar 2021, at 18:52, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 5:56 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > > > I believe Chaitin has a definition of randomness that works for finite > > strings. If I remember correctly it has to do with the length of the > >

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"They say that a little bit of God is inside everyone's heart. Well, if that is true, I hope he likes enchiladas, because tonight that's what He's getting."  Food for thought! -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Mar 12, 2021 3:53 am S

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

> On 11 Mar 2021, at 00:52, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:15:43 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > > > On 3/10/2021 2:41 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:29:13 PM UTC+1 Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 3/10/2021 1:18 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: >>

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Mar 12, 2021 4:18 am Subject: Re: Why Does Anything Exist? On 11 Mar 2021, at 03:09, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Only if we could break into other worldliness does MWI seem interesting. The question is “is it true”. Truth does

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

> On 10 Mar 2021, at 23:38, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 4:12:21 PM UTC+1 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> On 10 Mar 2021, at 00:03, Tomas Pales > > wrote: >> >> The law of identity determines what can possibly exist, namely that which is >> identical to itself. But

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> On 10 Mar 2021, at 22:43, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/10/2021 7:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 10 Mar 2021, at 00:19, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/9/2021 2:00 PM,

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> On 10 Mar 2021, at 18:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/10/2021 1:18 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:40:51 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 3/9/2021 3:52 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at

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> On 11 Mar 2021, at 03:09, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > Only if we could break into other worldliness does MWI seem interesting. > The question is “is it true”. Truth does not care about us finding it interesting or not. Imagine that you discover that an asteroid will

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On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 1:03:38 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > > > On 3/11/2021 2:23 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 10:27:35 PM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > >> >> >> On 3/11/2021 9:44 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 1:26:27 AM UTC+1 Bruce

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> On 11 Mar 2021, at 05:43, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 8:00 PM spudboy100 via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > Well for this knuckle dragging savage, I compulsively am driven towards how > can our species make use of science and

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Am Do, 11. Mär 2021, um 04:43, schrieb Jason Resch: > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 8:00 PM spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: >> Well for this knuckle dragging savage, I compulsively am driven towards how >> can our species make use of science and philosophy to make life better? We >>

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> On 11 Mar 2021, at 03:00, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > Well for this knuckle dragging savage, I compulsively am driven towards how > can our species make use of science and philosophy to make life better? > 99,9% of the human problem comes mainly from dishonesty, and people

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On 3/11/2021 2:23 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 10:27:35 PM UTC+1 Brent wrote: On 3/11/2021 9:44 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 1:26:27 AM UTC+1 Bruce wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:52 AM Tomas Pales wrote:

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 10:27:35 PM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > > > On 3/11/2021 9:44 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 1:26:27 AM UTC+1 Bruce wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:52 AM Tomas Pales wrote: >> >>> >>> If there is a contradiction in the definition of

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On 3/11/2021 9:44 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 1:26:27 AM UTC+1 Bruce wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:52 AM Tomas Pales wrote: If there is a contradiction in the definition of an object, that means that the law of identity is violated

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Am Do, 11. Mär 2021, um 18:05, schrieb John Clark: > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 8:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> *> So if 2+2=4, then thoughts exist.* > > But if I think 2+2 = 5 then thoughts still exist, Which goes to show that just by adding the two words "I think" to an interesting

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On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 2:39:11 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > > > On 3/10/2021 3:52 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:15:43 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > >> >> >> On 3/10/2021 2:41 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:29:13 PM UTC+1

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 8:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: *> So if 2+2=4, then thoughts exist.* > But if I think 2+2 = 5 then thoughts still exist, but without the laws of physics a Turing machine can't exist, and without a Turing Machines thoughts, even incorrect thoughts produced by faulty

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 5:56 PM Jason Resch wrote: *> I believe Chaitin has a definition of randomness that works for finite > strings. If I remember correctly it has to do with the length of the > shortest program that outputs the string being longer than the string > itself.* > Yes, but that

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On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 1:26:27 AM UTC+1 Bruce wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:52 AM Tomas Pales wrote: > >> >> If there is a contradiction in the definition of an object, that means >> that the law of identity is violated and the object is not identical to >> itself and hence is

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Hi Alastair, On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 6:47 AM wrote: > Hi Jason > > I can't think of any more fundamental question than 'why anything?'. > I agree! I think this question is key to so many other questions in life and philosophy, and sometimes in unexpected ways. For instance, as Bruno showed, it

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Hi Jason I can't think of any more fundamental question than 'why anything?'. The associated question 'why _this_ something?' can be used to skewer most attempted TOE's, but from what I understand of your approach I agree that you avoid this fate, so just on those grounds alone I think it should

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 09:00:38AM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:00 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:41 AM Lawrence Crowell < > goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Nothingness is a paradoxical thing. Does nothingness exist? If

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On Wednesday, March 10, 2021, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Only if we could break into other worldliness does MWI seem interesting. > Especially for trade between earth's! Maybe the Neanderthal earth never > discovered yams as a food source, so we

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 8:00 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Well for this knuckle dragging savage, I compulsively am driven towards > how can our species make use of science and philosophy to make life better? > We may chose to view your fellow

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Without any thinking involved I would guess that the only thing that could be running is information. Info in the form of photons and electrons and the patterns we detect, if any? As Jason Resch pointed out months ago, a lot of info necessarily is hidden from us, physically. How? Jason noted

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Only if we could break into other worldliness does MWI seem interesting. Especially for trade between earth's! Maybe the Neanderthal earth never discovered yams as a food source, so we could trade some of ours for their wonderful gray crystals that do photonic computing so well? Your axioms

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Well for this knuckle dragging savage, I compulsively am driven towards how can our species make use of science and philosophy to make life better? We may chose to view your fellow compuationalist philosopher, Juergen Schmidhuber, viewing God (you know He doesn't like to be called that!) As

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On 3/10/2021 3:52 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:15:43 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: On 3/10/2021 2:41 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:29:13 PM UTC+1 Brent wrote: On 3/10/2021 1:18 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: Then you've

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:52 AM Tomas Pales wrote: > On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:15:43 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > >> On 3/10/2021 2:41 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:29:13 PM UTC+1 Brent wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 3/10/2021 1:18 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: >>> >>>

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On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:15:43 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > > > On 3/10/2021 2:41 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:29:13 PM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > >> >> >> On 3/10/2021 1:18 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> Then you've either (1) changed the meaning of "real"

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Just name the string "Bob" and output Bob. Brent On 3/10/2021 2:55 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I believe Chaitin has a definition of randomness that works for finite strings. If I remember correctly it has to do with the length of the shortest program that outputs the string being longer than the

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On 3/10/2021 2:51 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 4:38 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 3/10/2021 9:41 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:29 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

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On 3/10/2021 2:41 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:29:13 PM UTC+1 Brent wrote: On 3/10/2021 1:18 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: Then you've either (1) changed the meaning of "real" existence (2) changed the meaning of possible or (3) gone mad. As I said,

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I believe Chaitin has a definition of randomness that works for finite strings. If I remember correctly it has to do with the length of the shortest program that outputs the string being longer than the string itself. Jason On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 3:43 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 4:38 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 3/10/2021 9:41 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:29 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On 3/10/2021

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On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:29:13 PM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > > > On 3/10/2021 1:18 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > Then you've either (1) changed the meaning of "real" existence (2) changed > the meaning of possible or (3) gone mad. > As I said, possible means identical to itself. Now you tell

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 4:12:21 PM UTC+1 Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 10 Mar 2021, at 00:03, Tomas Pales wrote: > > The law of identity determines what can possibly exist, namely that which > is identical to itself. But what is the difference between a possibly > existing object and a

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On 3/10/2021 9:41 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:29 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 3/10/2021 1:18 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:40:51 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: On

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On 3/10/2021 7:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2021, at 00:19, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 3/9/2021 2:00 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:00 AM Jason Resch > wrote: On

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On 10-03-2021 18:41, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:29 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 3/10/2021 1:18 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:40:51 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: On 3/9/2021 3:52 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:29 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 3/10/2021 1:18 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:40:51 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > >> >> >> On 3/9/2021 3:52 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On

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On 3/10/2021 1:18 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:40:51 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: On 3/9/2021 3:52 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 12:29:07 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: On 3/9/2021 3:03 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: The law of

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> On 10 Mar 2021, at 10:18, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:40:51 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > > > On 3/9/2021 3:52 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 12:29:07 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 3/9/2021 3:03 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >>>

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> On 10 Mar 2021, at 00:22, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/9/2021 2:30 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote: >> If nothing ever existed, nothing can exist today. “Ex nihilo, nihil fit” >> (Parmenides). > > Yeah, but what has he published recently? According to Simplicius,

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> On 10 Mar 2021, at 00:19, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/9/2021 2:00 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:00 AM Jason Resch > > wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:41 AM Lawrence Crowell >>

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> On 10 Mar 2021, at 00:03, Tomas Pales wrote: > > The law of identity determines what can possibly exist, namely that which is > identical to itself. But what is the difference between a possibly existing > object and a "really" existing object? I see no difference, and hence all > possible

RE: Why Does Anything Exist?

:22 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why Does Anything Exist? On 3/9/2021 2:30 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote: If nothing ever existed, nothing can exist today. “Ex nihilo, nihil fit” (Parmenides). Yeah, but what has he published recently? Brent -- You received this message

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> On 9 Mar 2021, at 16:41, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > Nothingness is a paradoxical thing. Does nothingness exist? If so, then by > having existential properties it is not pure nothingness. If nothingness does > not exist then there must exist something. In a sense God is the antithesis >

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> On 10 Mar 2021, at 14:08, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 5:45 PM spudboy100 via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > I kind of side with Canadian philosopher John Leslie, as well as British > astronomer, James Jeans on this question.

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> On 10 Mar 2021, at 13:05, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:45 PM spudboy100 via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > > I kind of side with Canadian philosopher John Leslie, as well as British > > astronomer, James Jeans on this question.

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> On 10 Mar 2021, at 00:45, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > I kind of side with Canadian philosopher John Leslie, as well as British > astronomer, James Jeans on this question. Both Leslie and Jeans see the > cosmos as a Great Thought. I formalize their conjectures as a Great

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On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 5:45 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I kind of side with Canadian philosopher John Leslie, as well as British > astronomer, James Jeans on this question. Both Leslie and Jeans see the > cosmos as a Great Thought. I formalize

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On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:45 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> I kind of side with Canadian philosopher John Leslie, as well as British > astronomer, James Jeans on this question. Both Leslie and Jeans see the > cosmos as a Great Thought. I formalize

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On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:40:51 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > > > On 3/9/2021 3:52 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 12:29:07 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > >> >> >> On 3/9/2021 3:03 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> The law of identity determines what can possibly exist,

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On 3/9/2021 3:52 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 12:29:07 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: On 3/9/2021 3:03 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: The law of identity determines what can possibly exist, namely that which is identical to itself. But what is the difference

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On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 12:29:07 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > > > On 3/9/2021 3:03 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > The law of identity determines what can possibly exist, namely that which > is identical to itself. But what is the difference between a possibly > existing object and a "really"

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I kind of side with Canadian philosopher John Leslie, as well as British astronomer, James Jeans on this question. Both Leslie and Jeans see the cosmos as a Great Thought. I formalize their conjectures as a Great Program. One may ask, running on what? On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 Jason Resch

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On 3/9/2021 3:03 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: The law of identity determines what can possibly exist, namely that which is identical to itself. But what is the difference between a possibly existing object and a "really" existing object? I see no difference, and hence all possible objects exist,

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On 3/9/2021 2:55 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 9:46 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 3/9/2021 1:20 PM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 1:57 AM Kim Jones mailto:kimjo...@ozemail.com.au>> wrote:

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On 3/9/2021 2:30 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote: If nothing ever existed, nothing can exist today. “Ex nihilo, nihil fit” (Parmenides). Yeah, but what has he published recently? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On 3/9/2021 2:00 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:00 AM Jason Resch > wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:41 AM Lawrence Crowell mailto:goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com>> wrote: Nothingness is a paradoxical thing. Does nothingness

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

The law of identity determines what can possibly exist, namely that which is identical to itself. But what is the difference between a possibly existing object and a "really" existing object? I see no difference, and hence all possible objects exist, necessarily. To which someone might say

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 9:46 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 3/9/2021 1:20 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 1:57 AM Kim Jones wrote: > > *> What was there before there was nothing?* >> > > "Before" implies time and time

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On 3/9/2021 1:20 PM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 1:57 AM Kim Jones > wrote: /> What was there before there was nothing?/ "Before" implies time and time implies change; if nothing exists then nothing can change, and if nothing can change time

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 9:21 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:00 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:41 AM Lawrence Crowell < >>> goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Nothingness is a

RE: Why Does Anything Exist?

evading them or assuming illogically the aseity of Dead Matter. Philip Benjamin From: 'Brent Meeker' Tuesday, March 9, 2021 12:38 PM everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Why Does Anything Exist? On 3/9/2021 12:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote:

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:00 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:41 AM Lawrence Crowell < >> goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Nothingness is a paradoxical thing. Does nothingness exist? If so, then >>> by having

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:00 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:41 AM Lawrence Crowell < > goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Nothingness is a paradoxical thing. Does nothingness exist? If so, then >> by having existential properties it is not pure nothingness. If

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 2:00 PM Jason Resch wrote: *> There is a strange and paradoxical sort of identity between nothing and > everything,* > I agree. Meaning needs contrast, so a universe where everything has the flogknee property would be indistinguishable from a universe where nothing has

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 1:57 AM Kim Jones wrote: *> What was there before there was nothing?* > "Before" implies time and time implies change; if nothing exists then nothing can change, and if nothing can change time can not exist, and if time can't exist then there is no "before". John K

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:37 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 3/9/2021 12:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:57 AM Kim Jones wrote: > >> What was there before there was nothing? >> > > I don't believe reality was

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:41 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > Nothingness is a paradoxical thing. Does nothingness exist? If so, then by > having existential properties it is not pure nothingness. If nothingness > does not exist then there must exist something. In a

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