Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Aug 2020, at 22:05, PGC wrote: > > > > On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 1:05:19 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 7 Aug 2020, at 20:41, PGC > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Many? You're joking right? You can have a ton of references to PrEP, PEP, or >> alternatively conceived and

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Aug 2020, at 19:24, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:00 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > I have no opinion at all on this. Trump is a liar, but unfortunately, in the > Health domain, there is a tradition of lies. It is even normal,

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Aug 2020, at 13:44, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 7:13 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > The “consensus” argument makes local sense in practice, by default. But it > > is not part of science, > > No. Science could never work without a web of

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-10 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:55 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 8/10/2020 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:00 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> >> I have no opinion at all on this. Trump is a liar, but

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-10 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 8/10/2020 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:00 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: I have no opinion at all on this.  Trump is a liar, but unfortunately, in the Health domain, there is a tradition of lies. It is even normal, once you

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-10 Thread PGC
On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 1:05:19 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 7 Aug 2020, at 20:41, PGC > wrote: > > > > > Many? You're joking right? You can have a ton of references to PrEP, PEP, > or alternatively conceived and designed type studies and it's everybody's > right to believe in

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-10 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 5:23 PM smitra wrote: > On 09-08-2020 21:00, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 1:24 PM Jason Resch > > wrote: > > > >> _> You, as well as most of the media write ups are confusing "did > >> not prove a benefit" with "proved no benefit". _ > > > > I'm not

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-10 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:00 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > I have no opinion at all on this. Trump is a liar, but unfortunately, in > the Health domain, there is a tradition of lies. It is even normal, once > you tolerate making money on health/disease: a cured patient is a client > lost. One

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-10 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 7:13 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *> The “consensus” argument makes local sense in practice, by default. But > it is not part of science, * No. Science could never work without a web of trust, that's why science journals exist and why some are more respected than others. A

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 7 Aug 2020, at 22:12, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:46:49 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:51 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > > > The scientific consensus is based on scientific studies, is it not? > > Yes. > > > Every single study

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 7 Aug 2020, at 20:33, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:11 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > > >> Only a fool would look to an imbecile and congenital liar such as Donald J > >> Trump for medacal advice. There will always be scientific contrarians

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 7 Aug 2020, at 20:41, PGC wrote: > > > > On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 4:53:50 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 7 Aug 2020, at 13:09, PGC > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 12:38:28 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 00:52, 'Brent Meeker' via

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 7 Aug 2020, at 17:40, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 6:38 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > the Media are wrong when mocking Trump on HCQ in some systematic way. > > No they are not. Only a fool would look to an imbecile and congenital liar > such

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-09 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Message- From: smitra To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Aug 9, 2020 6:23 pm Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On 09-08-2020 21:00, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 1:24 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > >> _> You, as well as most of the media write ups are confusing

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-09 Thread smitra
On 09-08-2020 21:00, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 1:24 PM Jason Resch wrote: _> You, as well as most of the media write ups are confusing "did not prove a benefit" with "proved no benefit". _ I'm not confused at all. No study has proven that leeches have no benefit in the

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-09 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 1:24 PM Jason Resch wrote: *> You, as well as most of the media write ups are confusing "did not prove > a benefit" with "proved no benefit". * > I'm not confused at all. No study has proven that leeches have no benefit in the treatment of COVID-19, but there is also no

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-09 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
very cheap!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6A6RFDprIs=youtu.be   -Original Message- From: Jason Resch To: Everything List Sent: Sun, Aug 9, 2020 1:41 pm Subject: Re: Sharpiegate Why is it that every study that looks at early administration or prophylactic  use was either inconclusive

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-09 Thread Jason Resch
Why is it that every study that looks at early administration or prophylactic use was either inconclusive or showed a benefit? Is it all a coincidence? Every set of scientists was biased, and by random chance was led to an incorrect conclusion? When 32 out of 32 studies concluded there was a

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-09 Thread Jason Resch
You, as well as most of the media write ups are confusing "did not prove a benefit" with "proved no benefit". From one we can conclude something, the other means the study wasn't big enough and the question remains open. The studies that had enough people die to get a statistically powerful

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-09 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 7:23 PM Jason Resch wrote: > *> I think you understand the difference between significant and > statistically significant. * > If something is not statistically significant then there's no evidence it is significant. Period. The Human mind is just not very good at

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-09 Thread PGC
On Sunday, August 9, 2020 at 1:23:17 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: > > I know that arguing with you is generally a waste of time, but since lives > are at stake I felt it necessary to correct some of what you say below. > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 7:04 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-08 Thread Jason Resch
I know that arguing with you is generally a waste of time, but since lives are at stake I felt it necessary to correct some of what you say below. On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 7:04 AM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> So infection rates in the control group

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-08 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jason Resch wrote: *> So infection rates in the control group were 14.3% and in the group > receiving HCQ were 11.8%. That's an absolute risk reduction of > (14.3-11.8)/14.3 = 17.5%.* And that is a rate that is not statistically significant, that is to say it

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-08 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
for us, I'd have looked deeply into that.  https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-188 -Original Message- From: Jason Resch To: Everything List Sent: Sat, Aug 8, 2020 12:21 am Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 10:39 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-08 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
thing-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2020 2:33 pm Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:11 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> Only a fool would look to an imbecile and congenital liar such as Donald J >>Trump for medacal advice. There will always be scientific contrarians about

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-08 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
bia's idea, now being realized in your own nation, the accelerator driven reactor.  https://myrrha.be/ Mitch -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2020 6:53 am Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On 7 Aug 2020, at 00:06, spudboy100 via Every

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-08 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2020 6:52 pm Subject: Re: Sharpiegate 8 | DISCUSSION As hospitals around the globe have filled with patients with COVID-19, front line providers remain without effective therapeutic tools to directly combat the disease. The initial anecdotal r

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 10:39 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Cite the study. > > https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0025/v1 Shows 84% less hospitlization, and 80% reduced mortality. There's also this one: https://hcqtrial.com/ which

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
Cite the study. Brent On 8/7/2020 7:40 AM, Jason Resch wrote: The studies that have been done show as much as an 79% reduction in death. Should we force 79% more people die while we wait for the RCTs? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 3:19 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:46 PM John Clark wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:51 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >> > The scientific consensus is based on scientific studies, is it not? >>> >> >> Yes. >> >> *> Every single study

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:46 PM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:51 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > > The scientific consensus is based on scientific studies, is it not? >> > > Yes. > > *> Every single study (dozens of them) that >> investigated early and

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:46:49 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:51 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > > The scientific consensus is based on scientific studies, is it not? >> > > Yes. > > *> Every single study (dozens of them) that >>

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:51 PM Jason Resch wrote: > The scientific consensus is based on scientific studies, is it not? > Yes. *> Every single study (dozens of them) that > investigated early and prophylactic use of HCQ showed a benefit, without > exception.* > A

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:33 PM John Clark wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:11 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> Only a fool would look to an imbecile and congenital liar such as >>> Donald J Trump for medacal advice. There will always be scientific >>> contrarians about anything but I look to

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread PGC
On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 4:53:50 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 7 Aug 2020, at 13:09, PGC > wrote: > > > > On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 12:38:28 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 7 Aug 2020, at 00:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com>

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:11 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> Only a fool would look to an imbecile and congenital liar such as Donald >> J Trump for medacal advice. There will always be scientific contrarians >> about anything but I look to the latest scientific consensus for my medacal >> advice, and

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 10:41 AM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 6:38 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > *> the Media are wrong when mocking Trump on HCQ in some systematic way. * > > > No they are not. Only a fool would look to an imbecile and congenital liar > such as Donald J Trump for

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 6:38 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *> the Media are wrong when mocking Trump on HCQ in some systematic way. * No they are not. Only a fool would look to an imbecile and congenital liar such as Donald J Trump for medacal advice. There will always be scientific contrarians about

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 7 Aug 2020, at 13:09, PGC wrote: > > > > On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 12:38:28 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 7 Aug 2020, at 00:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> > wrote: >> >> 8 | DISCUSSION As hospitals around the globe have filled with patients with >> COVID-19,

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 6:09 AM PGC wrote: > > > On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 12:38:28 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 7 Aug 2020, at 00:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> 8 | DISCUSSION As hospitals around the globe have filled with

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread PGC
On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 12:38:28 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 7 Aug 2020, at 00:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > 8 | DISCUSSION As hospitals around the globe have filled with patients > with COVID-19, front line providers remain

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
rday. The root of dishonesty is the lack of basic education, and the deviance of the human science, like with the political correctness attitude, etc. Bruno > > > -Original Message- > From: Bruno Marchal > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2020

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
best thing is to find drugs that really work in fighting the >> infection, and yes, finally some vaccines! Beyond this, it is worth it for >> me as a taxpayer, to pay the billionaire pharma boards of directors all the >> cash they need (want) to give us all a break. This wo

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-06 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
pharma boards of directors all the cash they need (want) to give us all a break. This would be worth a tax increase if needed. -Original Message- From: PGC To: Everything List Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2020 6:00 am Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:33:37 AM UTC+2

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-06 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
something quicker!) like solar (Perovskite solar), battery storage, Hydrogen (Europe's fav), transport, space, machine intelligence.  -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2020 6:47 am Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On 2 Aug 2020

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-06 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
boards of directors all the cash they need (want) to give us all a break. This would be worth a tax increase if needed.  -Original Message- From: PGC To: Everything List Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2020 6:00 am Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:33:37 AM UTC+2, Bruno

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
e prohibition. Bruno > > -Original Message- > From: Jason Resch > To: spudboy...@aol.com > Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sat, Aug 1, 2020 5:36 pm > Subject: Re: Sharpiegate > > I agree it is unfortunate that what should purely be a medical/ri

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-06 Thread PGC
On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:18:53 AM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 31 Jul 2020, at 16:20, John Clark > > wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:19 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > it is invalid to say that A is false because P asserts it > > > There is more to intelligence than just

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 1 Aug 2020, at 05:37, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:48 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:43 PM Bruce Kellett

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-06 Thread PGC
On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:33:37 AM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 31 Jul 2020, at 22:06, spudboy100 via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > You really must read up on your history more Bruno, That term comes from > the nazis and not I. Here is a 2015

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 1 Aug 2020, at 02:37, PGC wrote: > > > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:26:40 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:20 PM PGC > > wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:12:49 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: > There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all the tests that

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
lly) defeat might be a quite positive events. After, we will have to deal with the extreme left, which is as grave if not graver than the extreme right… Bruno > > -Original Message- > From: Bruno Marchal > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 9:3

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Jul 2020, at 16:20, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:19 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > it is invalid to say that A is false because P asserts it > > There is more to intelligence than just deduction, there is also induction > which is at

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-01 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
:36 pm Subject: Re: Sharpiegate I agree it is unfortunate that what should purely be a medical/risk management decision has become politicized. Fortunately the Ohio's governor intervened to make the pharmacy board reversed their ban. Whether any particular treatment is effective

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-01 Thread Jason Resch
rst background. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCRGYtMgn4c > > > -Original Message- > From: Jason Resch > To: Everything List > Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 7:12 pm > Subject: Re: Sharpiegate > > There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all the tests that look

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-01 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
nd science, but was an investment banker as first background.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCRGYtMgn4c -Original Message- From: Jason Resch To: Everything List Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 7:12 pm Subject: Re: Sharpiegate There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all the tests that looked

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-01 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
: PGC To: Everything List Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 6:52 pm Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 3:58:02 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jul 2020, at 22:59, PGC wrote: On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 10:52:09 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: On 7/30/2020 1:02 PM, spudboy100 via

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-08-01 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 6:12:49 PM UTC-5 Jason wrote: > There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all the tests that looked at giving > it early in the disease, or prophylactically, they showed HCQ was > beneficial. This site summarizes them all: https://c19study.com/ > > The only studies that

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:48 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:43 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:13 PM Bruce Kellett

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:48 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:43 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:13 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:49 AM Jason Resch wrote:

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 7/31/2020 5:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:37 PM PGC wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:26:40 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 7/31/2020 5:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:37 PM PGC > wrote: On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:26:40 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:20 PM PGC wrote: On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:43 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:13 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:49 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:37 PM PGC wrote: >

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:13 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:37 PM PGC wrote: >>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:26:40 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: >

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:13 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:37 PM PGC wrote: >> >>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:26:40 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:20 PM PGC wrote: > On

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:37 PM PGC wrote: > >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:26:40 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:20 PM PGC wrote: >>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:12:49 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: >

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:37 PM PGC wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:26:40 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:20 PM PGC wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:12:49 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread PGC
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:26:40 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:20 PM PGC > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:12:49 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: >>> >>> There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all the tests that looked at >>> giving it early in the

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:20 PM PGC wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:12:49 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: >> >> There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all the tests that looked at giving >> it early in the disease, or prophylactically, they showed HCQ was >> beneficial. This site summarizes

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread PGC
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:12:49 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: > > There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all the tests that looked at giving > it early in the disease, or prophylactically, they showed HCQ was > beneficial. This site summarizes them all: https://c19study.com/ > > The only

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all the tests that looked at giving it early in the disease, or prophylactically, they showed HCQ was beneficial. This site summarizes them all: https://c19study.com/ The only studies that have shown HCQ to be ineffective are those where it is given late in

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread PGC
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 3:58:02 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Jul 2020, at 22:59, PGC > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 10:52:09 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/30/2020 1:02 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: >> >> Refute this Telmo- >>

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 9:19 am Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On 29 Jul 2020, at 14:00, John Clark wrote: The following is from the July 10 issue of the journal Science and shows just how far Donald Trump is willing to corrupt science just so he doesn't have to admit he was wrong:  NOAA

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
, those here, would oppose it vehemently. -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 9:30 am Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On 30 Jul 2020, at 20:17, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Actually it is a summary. The conclusion

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Lawrence Crowell
There is a huge range of quackery in medicine, and the 1970s claim that apricot pits cure cancer, or there is some compound extracted from them, persists to this day. It is similar and bigger than the quasi-physics that plagues the web. I tend to consider the source for claims and whether the

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:19 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > it is invalid to say that A is false because P asserts it There is more to intelligence than just deduction, there is also induction which is at least as powerful. If everything P has asserted in the past has been shown to be false and

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 30 Jul 2020, at 22:59, PGC wrote: > > > > On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 10:52:09 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > > > On 7/30/2020 1:02 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: >> Refute this Telmo- >> https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study >>

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
ting the Wuhan flu. For the opponents of Orange Man nothing else matters. > Civil (US) Conflict? Next stop! Take care. > > > -Original Message- > From: Telmo Menezes > > To: John Clark >; 'Brent Meeker' via > Everything List > > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2020 2

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 30 Jul 2020, at 20:28, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > Am Do, 30. Jul 2020, um 17:16, schrieb John Clark: >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:27 AM Telmo Menezes > > wrote: >> >> >> > I disapprove of Trump and everything he stands for as much as you do. I >>

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
even threats of climate collapse. To quote Galileo, It Moves, Still. Its > either true or not? Who is ever president notwithstanding. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Lawrence Crowell > To: Everything List > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2020 7:57 am > Subject: Re:

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
it handled Hurricane Dorian’s > ‘Sharpiegate’ > <https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/noaa-watchdog-chides-agency-how-it-handled-hurricane-dorian-s-sharpiegate> > > And meanwhile just yesterday Trump was back on national television pushing a > quack cure for COVID-19 (hy

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-30 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
(Justinian's Plague, the 1348 Bubonic, Smallpox, etc) shouldn't surprise anyone. Maybe well even reach the Singularity due to GPT-3 :-) -Original Message- From: PGC To: Everything List Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2020 4:59 pm Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 10:52:09 PM UTC

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-30 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
, we move beyond it.  -Original Message- From: Lawrence Crowell To: Everything List Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2020 4:23 pm Subject: Re: Sharpiegate I am not going to pass judgment on this. I can't really do that. I can only say that this is a minority report. The general consensus I am hearing

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-30 Thread PGC
On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 10:52:09 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > > > On 7/30/2020 1:02 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > > Refute this Telmo- > https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study > > https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext > > One

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-30 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
) Conflict? Next stop! Take care. -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes To: John Clark ; 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2020 2:28 pm Subject: Re: Sharpiegate Am Do, 30. Jul 2020, um 17:16, schrieb John Clark: On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:27 AM Telmo Menezes

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2020-07-30 Thread Lawrence Crowell
stop! Take care. > > > -Original Message- > From: Telmo Menezes > To: John Clark ; 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2020 2:28 pm > Subject: Re: Sharpiegate > > > > Am Do, 30. Jul 2020, um 17

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2020-07-30 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
: Sharpiegate #yiv6743898688 p.yiv6743898688MsoNormal, #yiv6743898688 p.yiv6743898688MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}#yiv6743898688 p.yiv6743898688MsoNormal, #yiv6743898688 p.yiv6743898688MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;} Am Do, 30. Jul 2020, um 17:16, schrieb John Clark: On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:27 AM Telmo

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
Am Do, 30. Jul 2020, um 17:16, schrieb John Clark: > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:27 AM Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> __ >> > ***I disapprove of Trump and everything he stands for as much as you do. I >> > detest him. He is an incompetent narcissist, and his election as the >> > president of

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-30 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
am Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote: Again, regarding, Hydroxychloroquine, please refute:   https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext https

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-30 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:27 AM Telmo Menezes wrote: > > *I disapprove of Trump and everything he stands for as much as you do. I > detest him. He is an incompetent narcissist, and his election as the > president of the USA was a nightmare come true.* > Truer words were never spoken! > *I

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
ydroxychloriquine are a minority report. The at large verdict > is opposite. > > LC > >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Lawrence Crowell >> To: Everything List >> Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2020 7:55 pm >> Subject: Re: Sharpiegate >> >> On We

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-30 Thread Lawrence Crowell
m just aware results or claims of such results showing an efficacy for hydroxychloriquine are a minority report. The at large verdict is opposite. LC > -Original Message- > From: Lawrence Crowell > To: Everything List > Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2020 7:55 pm > Subject: Re: Sharpi

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
To: Everything List Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2020 7:55 pm Subject: Re: Sharpiegate On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 7:01:12 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: The following is from the July 10 issue of the journal Science and shows just how far Donald Trump is willing to corrupt science just so he doesn't have

Re: Sharpiegate

2020-07-29 Thread Lawrence Crowell
g chides agency for how it handled Hurricane Dorian’s > ‘Sharpiegate’ > <https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/noaa-watchdog-chides-agency-how-it-handled-hurricane-dorian-s-sharpiegate> > It is a case of how people become sycophants for t'Rump. > > And meanwhile just

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2020-07-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
, 2020 8:00 am Subject: Sharpiegate The following is from the July 10 issue of the journal Science and shows just how far Donald Trump is willing to corrupt science just so he doesn't have to admit he was wrong:  NOAA watchdog chides agency for how it handled Hurricane Dorian’s ‘Sharpiegate

Sharpiegate

2020-07-29 Thread John Clark
The following is from the July 10 issue of the journal Science and shows just how far Donald Trump is willing to corrupt science just so he doesn't have to admit he was wrong: NOAA watchdog chides agency for how it handled Hurricane Dorian’s ‘Sharpiegate’ <https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020