Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Richard , I do not use religion in a pejorative sense. Actually I am a Hindu. (At least I was until I got kicked out of the Muktananda Ashram) And so I am religiously in agreement with physical reality being an illusion. Interesting. However, I am also a physicist and my string

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Yeah and a chicken is a dog. Le 29 oct. 2013 03:41, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com a écrit : So matter is just maya-illusion. That is really religion- right? On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/10/28 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Oct 2013, at 20:33, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno: The fact that something is enumerable does not entail that you can derive it from PA, nor that it is a necessary part of physics. Richard: You got it backwards. The CY Compact manifolds are the machine that computes because they are

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Oct 2013, at 03:41, Richard Ruquist wrote: So matter is just maya-illusion. Yes. That's the result. UDA shows that if we can survive with a digital brain, by virtue of its infomation handling power (and not some magic), then matter is only appearance in the mind of some

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-29 Thread Richard Ruquist
Bruno, I do not use religion in a pejorative sense. Actually I am a Hindu. (At least I was until I got kicked out of the Muktananda Ashram) And so I am religiously in agreement with physical reality being an illusion. However, I am also a physicist and my string cosmology goes against my

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/10/29 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com Bruno, I do not use religion in a pejorative sense. Actually I am a Hindu. (At least I was until I got kicked out of the Muktananda Ashram) And so I am religiously in agreement with physical reality being an illusion. However, I am also a

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Oct 2013, at 12:31, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno Marchal via googlegroups.com 4:53 AM (2 hours ago) to everything-list On 27 Oct 2013, at 23:26, Richard Ruquist wrote: It is derived from PA both the universes and the Metaverse. How? Richard: I say how in the abstract of the

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-28 Thread Richard Ruquist
Bruno: The fact that something is enumerable does not entail that you can derive it from PA, nor that it is a necessary part of physics. Richard: You got it backwards. The CY Compact manifolds are the machine that computes because they are enumerable. It derives everything else. In particular the

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/10/28 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com Bruno: The fact that something is enumerable does not entail that you can derive it from PA, nor that it is a necessary part of physics. Richard: You got it backwards. The CY Compact manifolds are the machine that computes because they are

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-28 Thread Richard Ruquist
So matter is just maya-illusion. That is really religion- right? On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/10/28 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com Bruno: The fact that something is enumerable does not entail that you can derive it from PA, nor that

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-25 Thread Stephen Lin
Try changing directions now. Here's a hint: Your soul is oftentimes a battlefield earth, water, fire, and sky people from the planet with no green left without the singular solution. I can't help thinking is pinking the blank slate magazines of red books of communal baths with gladiators and

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... On 23 Oct 2013, at 02:15, Chris de Morsella wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Tuesday

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-25 Thread Richard Ruquist
-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:45 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... ** ** ** ** On 23 Oct 2013, at 02

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:50 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...* *** On 22 Oct 2013, at 04:20, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 02:49:40PM +1300, LizR

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
, 2013 9:50 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... On 22 Oct 2013, at 04:20, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 02:49:40PM +1300, LizR wrote: I missed that 10

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
, October 22, 2013 9:50 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... On 22 Oct 2013, at 04:20, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 02:49:40PM +1300, LizR wrote: I missed

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:45 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... ** ** ** ** On 23 Oct

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:45 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... ** ** ** ** On 23 Oct 2013, at 02:15, Chris de Morsella wrote

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
[mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:45 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... ** ** ** ** On 23 Oct 2013, at 02:15, Chris de Morsella

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... Keep in mind the difference between 1) the computationalist hypothesis in philosophy of mind, and 2) the hypothesis that the universe is the product of some program. 2) implies 1) but 1) implies

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-24 Thread LizR
] *On Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:45 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... ** ** ** Keep in mind the difference between 1) the computationalist hypothesis in philosophy of mind

RE: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-24 Thread Chris de Morsella
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... The galaxy is probably 30 bn light years away NOW (leaving aside exactly what now means cosmologically) but we see its image from when it was 13 bn light years away. In the intervening 13bn

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
[ mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com everything-list@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:50 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...* *** ** ** ** ** On 22 Oct 2013, at 04:20

RE: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-23 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:45 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... On 23 Oct 2013, at 02:15

RE: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-22 Thread Chris de Morsella
? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ruquist Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 6:43 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... The 10^-48 meters for the upper limit

RE: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-22 Thread Chris de Morsella
Subject: Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... On 10/21/2013 7:20 PM, Russell Standish wrote: However, it does not rule out computationalism, nor the countability of observer moments, as I've point out many time, as space-time is most likely a model construct, rather than

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Oct 2013, at 22:56, LizR wrote: ...these are a few of my favourite things! In the 12/10/13 issue of New Scientist, in an article entitled All or nothing? I read that certain aspects of the behaviour of [high temperature superconductors] are much easier to capture using the

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Oct 2013, at 04:20, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 02:49:40PM +1300, LizR wrote: I missed that 10^-48 is rather an impressive result. Is that definitive - granularity has to be that small - or merely suggestive? It does suggest the possibility of a lot of internal

RE: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-22 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:50 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... On 22 Oct 2013, at 04:20

RE: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-21 Thread Chris de Morsella
(and the interpretation of those signals) have been reconfirmed or not. Cheers, Chris From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:57 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: String theory and superconductors

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-21 Thread Russell Standish
reconfirmed or not. Cheers, Chris From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:57 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-21 Thread Richard Ruquist
All of that is based on the Maldacena Conjecture and the viscosity of the quark-gluon pasma as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdS/CFT_correspondence On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:56 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: ...these are a few of my favourite things! In the 12/10/13 issue of New

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-21 Thread meekerdb
On 10/21/2013 5:12 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: Quantum physics is almost phrased in terms of information processing it's suggestive that you will find information processing at the root of everything. Vlatko Vedral, University of Oxford On so many levels the universe appears to operate at

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-21 Thread LizR
On 22 October 2013 14:18, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/21/2013 5:12 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: “Quantum physics is almost phrased in terms of information processing it’s suggestive that you will find information processing at the root of everything.” Vlatko Vedral,

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-21 Thread Richard Ruquist
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... Given the newsworthiness of such a discovery, and the fact that I've never heard of the Hannover signal until now, indicates perhaps not. That's not proof, of course :). On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 05:12:52PM -0700, Chris

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-21 Thread LizR
@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 5:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... Given the newsworthiness of such a discovery, and the fact that I've never heard of the Hannover

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-21 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 02:49:40PM +1300, LizR wrote: I missed that 10^-48 is rather an impressive result. Is that definitive - granularity has to be that small - or merely suggestive? It does suggest the possibility of a lot of internal structure inside fundamental particles! On 22

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-21 Thread meekerdb
On 10/21/2013 7:20 PM, Russell Standish wrote: However, it does not rule out computationalism, nor the countability of observer moments, as I've point out many time, as space-time is most likely a model construct, rather than actually being something physical out there. They are all models,

RE: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-21 Thread Chris de Morsella
] From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 6:18 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... On 10/21/2013 5:12 PM, Chris de Morsella