intuition

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
intuition and 1p Intuition (philosophy), immediate (not inferred) a priori knowledge or experiential belief n�tu�i�tion [in-too-ish-uh?n, -tyoo-] noun 1. direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension. 2. a fact, truth, etc.,

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted frombrainsviaacomputer

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Presumably the brain works with analog, not digital, signals. But the redisplay of the brain image requires a digital image signal. How can that happen ? If the recponstructed brain image has no sync signal, how couold it display in a digital device ? [Roger Clough],

Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains viaacomputer

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes The electronics presumably requires a digital signal. But the brain presumably uses analog signals. And there is the raster line and sync signal problem. There is the digital pixel problem, which uses only 3 colors: blue,green,red. How can all of this work ? [Roger

Re: Re: The best of all possible Worlds.

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Picking and choosing can sometimes be incorrect. When you try to find the meaning of a verse from the Bible, ideally you should find the meaning from the Bible as a whole. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Even bacteria have some miniscule amount of intelligence, which is IMHO the ability to autonomously make choices. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From:

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Mathematical structures such as quantum fields are not in spacetime. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time:

Re: Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Russell was a brilliant logician, but that's all he was. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time:

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Jan 2013, at 17:26, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, the theories are nonphysical, and in addition, quantum theories quantum theory applies to quantum fields, which are nonphysical. This is hard for me to grasp. What do you mean by quantum fields are not physical? It seems

Bertrand Russell's view of Leibniz's definition of substance

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Here's Bertrand Russell's view of Leibniz's definition of substance http://www.ditext.com/russell/leib1.html#3 Every proposition has a subject and a predicate. A subject may have predicates which are qualities existing at various times. (Such a subject is called a substance.) [Roger

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted frombrainsviaacomputer

2013-01-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:23:55 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Presumably the brain works with analog, not digital, signals. You are both missing the more important issue - signals cannot be decoded in the brain. It's tempting to think that is possible because we are

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:47:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/5/2013 5:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: The easy problem is harder than the hard problem in the sense that it is the long way around. No, it's harder because you can tell when you've failed. Brent It's not hard for me

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal IMHO It doesn't matter what type of field. According to the definition below, a field is like a map, it is not the territory itself. .that would act on a body at any given point in that region The word would tells us that a field only has potential existence, not

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extractedfrombrainsviaacomputer

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Exactly. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-08, 09:23:56 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

Re: [4DWorldx] Humble coin toss thrust to heart of multiverse debate

2013-01-08 Thread Richard Ruquist
Anna, There is an ongoing discussion over on the google Everything list about Quantum Suicide, which is nearly equivalent to a coin toss. QS is proposed as a test of MWI- the Many World Interpretation of quantum mechanics. In QS it depends essentially on a coin toss if an experimenter is either

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Jan 2013, at 19:53, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Theism, like atheism, is unprovable. Why is that? You're saying that even though God is omnipotent He is incapable of proving His existence to us. I can prove my existence to you I

Wave collapse and consciousness

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Wave collapse and consciousness According to the discussion below, a field only has potential existence, it does not exist by itself. It requires a body to interact with it. This difference is easily confused in usage. For example, we may speak of an electromagnetic field as if it is a real

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:24:48 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Even people who have no sense of humor can deduce that other people do have it, Would they if only 0.001% of the population had a sense of humor?

Re: Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark. God so far has proven his existence to nobody, unless subjectively (spiritually), primarily because God is subjective, not objective. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Brent, On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:33 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/7/2013 5:09 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:56 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/6/2013 3:45 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger, On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy Better data connected to opinion than opinion alone. How is opinion not connected to data? Have you found a way of neatly separating the information and data from opinion and

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-08 Thread Richard Ruquist
that reminds me that we do not really know what a word means until we understand what the opposite stands for. a sorta duality that math may be based on that may even be the basis of existence of how something can come from nothing. RR a semantic toe On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Roger Clough

Re: Bertrand Russell's view of Leibniz's definition of substance

2013-01-08 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger, Thank you for this post an esp for the link to 'Russell on Leibniz'. Richard On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Here's Bertrand Russell's view of Leibniz's definition of substance http://www.ditext.com/russell/leib1.html#3 Every proposition has a

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-08 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: there is no reason to identify God with the God-father of Christian theory. Conservative Christianity is deplorable in a great number of ways but it is superior to liberal theology in one important regard, it states that it might be a

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Jan 2013, at 02:47, meekerdb wrote: On 1/5/2013 5:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: The easy problem is harder than the hard problem in the sense that it is the long way around. No, it's harder because you can tell when you've failed. I guess you meant it's harder because you CAN'T

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-08 Thread meekerdb
On 1/8/2013 6:36 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:47:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/5/2013 5:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: The easy problem is harder than the hard problem in the sense that it is the long way around. No, it's harder because you can

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-08 Thread meekerdb
On 1/8/2013 6:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Jan 2013, at 19:53, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net mailto:rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Theism, like atheism, is unprovable. Why is that? You're saying that even though God is omnipotent He is

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-08 Thread meekerdb
On 1/8/2013 9:14 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: GOD means the reality in which you believe. Friends, are you tired of your old job, it's time to change your occupation and make big bucks, amaze your

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-08 Thread meekerdb
On 1/8/2013 9:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Jan 2013, at 02:47, meekerdb wrote: On 1/5/2013 5:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: The easy problem is harder than the hard problem in the sense that it is the long way around. No, it's harder because you can tell when you've failed. I guess

Re: [4DWorldx] Humble coin toss thrust to heart of multiverse debate

2013-01-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:50, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Anna panth...@mail.com wrote: Humble coin toss thrust to heart of multiverse debate 02 January 2013 by Jacob Aron Magazine issue 2898. Subscribe and save For similar stories, visit the Cosmology Topic Guide WHY

Re: Wave collapse and consciousness

2013-01-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:57, Roger Clough wrote: Wave collapse and consciousness According to the discussion below, a field only has potential existence, it does not exist by itself. It requires a body to interact with it. This difference is easily confused in usage. For example, we may

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-08 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: unlike psi it would be easily repeatable, if one person who claimed to have a sense of humor laughed and said that was a very good joke it is statistically very likely (although not certain) that another person who also

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2013-01-08 Thread meekerdb
On 1/8/2013 10:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Jan 2013, at 23:57, meekerdb wrote: In Bruno's theory both mind and matter are products of computation. I think it will turn out, as you say, that they are mutually necessary. At *our level* I grant that they are both necessary. But this

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2013-01-08 Thread Richard Ruquist
At the most basic level reality is a discrete digital particle arithmetic with no need for further calculations in a block universe. At a higher level it is analog in the realm of quantum waves and fields including the electromagnetic field and perhaps some bosons And at the highest/physical

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2013-01-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/1/8 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com At the most basic level reality is a discrete digital particle arithmetic with no need for further calculations in a block universe. Then it is indistinguishable from a contiuous or discrete mathematical manifold of some kind. This manifold is

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2013-01-08 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/1/8 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com At the most basic level reality is a discrete digital particle arithmetic with no need for further calculations in a block universe. Then it is indistinguishable from a

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-08 Thread meekerdb
On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God. We can not reduce the concept of God to a boring principle that we need to put somewhere. Like a ugly furniture inherited from the

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:37:47 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/8/2013 6:36 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:47:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/5/2013 5:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: The easy problem is harder than the hard problem in the sense that it is

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:27:20 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: unlike psi it would be easily repeatable, if one person who claimed to have a sense of humor laughed and said that was a very good joke it is

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-08 Thread meekerdb
On 1/8/2013 4:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/1/9 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God.

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-08 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
On Jan 7, 6:42 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:47 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Science is a religion by itself. Why? Becouse the God can create and govern the Universe only using physical laws, formulas, equations. Then

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-08 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
On Jan 7, 7:53 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Theism, like atheism, is unprovable. Why is that? You're saying that even though God is omnipotent He is incapable of proving His existence to us. I can prove my existence

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-08 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
On Jan 8, 1:48 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/7/2013 10:47 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 spudboy...@aol.com mailto:spudboy...@aol.com wrote:     Consider God, a word for Mind OK, I have a mind therefore I am God. I said it before I'll say it again, for

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-08 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
On Jan 8, 12:42 pm, Roger Cloughrclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi meekerdb Russell was a brilliant logician, but that's all he was. Brent To have logical mind is very good. But our brain sometime works unconscious. =. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-08 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
Quantum electrodynamics + Biology = Who am I ? ==. Cells make copies of themselves. Different cells make different copies of themselves. Cells come in all shapes and sizes. Somehow these different cells are tied between themselves and during pregnancy process of 9 months gradually ( ! )