On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:37:14 PM UTC-4, Brian Tenneson wrote:
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No, it's not.
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:09:42 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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You keep claiming that we understand this and that or know this and that.
And, yes, saying something along the lines of "we know we understand
because we care about what we understand" *is* circular. Still doesn't
rule out the possibility that we are in a Chinese room right now,
manipulating symbo
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:59:26 PM UTC-4, Brian Tenneson wrote:
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On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:27:02 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote:
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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 04:01:00PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 07:38:36AM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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Dunno. As far as I know, I've never done it. Have you asked a
sleepwalker? I've never known any.
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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:46:52 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:31:05 PM UTC-4, Brian Tenneson wrote:
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On 4/23/2013 2:21 PM, John Mikes wrote:
And what good does it do to H A V E nations? Starting wars? Looking down on every
other nation? Exploiting strangers/foreigners?
Nationalism is a pest in the human world.
You are right saying that it is - sort of - a religious aberration, closely connec
And what good does it do to H A V E nations? Starting wars? Looking down
on every other nation? Exploiting strangers/foreigners?
Nationalism is a pest in the human world.
You are right saying that it is - sort of - a religious aberration, closely
connected with religion itself. So the propositio
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 3:58:33 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:11:06 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> "Computers can only do computations for rational numbers, not for real
>> numbers. Every number in a computer is represe
On 4/23/2013 12:27 AM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 01:02:59PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 , Russell Standish wrote:
If so and consciousness is a all or nothing matter and is not on a
continuum then you should vividly remember the very instant you went to
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Russell Standish wrote:
> > The last time I had general anaesthetic, I remember the count of the
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What was the point of that? I thought you were supposed to do the counting
not the doctor. It if you we
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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Interesting read.
The problem I have with this is that in set theory, there are several
examples of sets who owe their existence to axioms alone. In other words,
there is an axiom that states there is a set X such that (blah, blah,
blah). How are we to know which sets/notions are meaningless co
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:04:46 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
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On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes wrote:
> I also believe that some isolated tribes assume everything is conscious.
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If they're right then that certainly solves the consciousness problem and
we can move on to solving the REALLY hard problem, figuring out why some
things behave intelligently.
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:39:18 AM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote:
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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 04:40:10AM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:16:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Monday, April 22, 2013 10:23:04 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote:
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On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 3:27:03 AM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote:
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In this case, the hard step that is relevant is the first: if the most
simple form of extraterrestrial life exist then the biocentrist hypothesis
is false. That is a strong statement.
2013/4/23 Russell Standish
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On 22 Apr 2013, at 20:41, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Any "aesthetic phenomena" or for that matter anything else we
experience is described by the known laws of physics which tells you
what matters is the way information is processed.
So, I'm not conviced there really exists a well defined pro
On 22 Apr 2013, at 19:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:
A quote from someone on Facebook. Any comments?
"Computers can only do computations for rational numbers, not for
real numbers. Every number in a computer is represented as rational.
No computer can represent pi or any other real number... So
On 22 Apr 2013, at 19:02, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 , Russell Standish wrote:
>> If so and consciousness is a all or nothing matter and is not on
a continuum then you should vividly remember the very instant you
went to sleep last night. Do you?
> Why? I don't remember ever
On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:18, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, April 22, 2013 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Apr 2013, at 13:17, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 01:02:59PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 , Russell Standish wrote:
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> >> If so and consciousness is a all or nothing matter and is not on a
> >> continuum then you should vividly remember the very instant you went to
> >> sleep last night. Do you?
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