Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 13 juil. 2014 03:31, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au a écrit : On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 02:01:38AM +0200, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Either both are the same computation and goes through the same state computing the same thing or they're not and don't go through the same state. An

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 13 juil. 2014 09:58, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 13 juil. 2014 03:31, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au a écrit : On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 02:01:38AM +0200, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Either both are the same computation and goes through the same state

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to use the Mao suit at least? 2014-07-13 5:52 GMT+02:00, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Comrades: Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to use the Mao suit at least? Just to know better what our Lords though for us, in order to love them even more. 2014-07-13 5:52 GMT+02:00, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com:

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Comrades: Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to dress the Mao suit at least? Just to know better what our Lords though for us, in order to love them even more. 2014-07-13 5:52 GMT+02:00, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com:

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 13 juil. 2014 10:21, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com a écrit : Comrades: Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to dress the Mao suit at least? Just to know better what our Lords though for us, in order to love them even more. Don't be worried, fascists

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I mean.. I know that preventive abortions of low class people, homosexualization and proletarization of women working 8x7x365 away from home is the solution, but some of us can survive and have to dress something. 2014-07-13 10:21 GMT+02:00, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: Comrades:

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2014-07-13 10:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: Le 13 juil. 2014 10:21, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com a écrit : Comrades: Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to dress the Mao suit at least? Just to know better what our Lords though for us,

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 13 juil. 2014 10:34, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com a écrit : 2014-07-13 10:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: Le 13 juil. 2014 10:21, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com a écrit : Comrades: Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
No doubt you have evil inside. And your sense of humorI know some famous political psychopaths that would sign that joke. But you are not alone. That evil is a product of your ideology, the same ideology professed by all the planet saviors in this list and abroad. Perhaps you are more

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 13 juil. 2014 11:11, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com a écrit : No doubt you have evil inside. And your sense of humorI know some famous political psychopaths that would sign that joke. You're a joke. Don't like being called what you are? But you are not alone. That evil is a

Re: Brent's circular ontology [was: Is Consciousness Computable?]

2014-07-13 Thread LizR
On 13 July 2014 17:18, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/12/2014 9:18 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 July 2014 15:53, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: If you can explain what axiomatic means, I think you'll find it on the circle. For example, it might mean whatever seems necessarily

Re: 5

2014-07-13 Thread LizR
Well, that settles it then. On 13 July 2014 17:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/36 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-07-13 Thread LizR
A foetus knows various things, called instincts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

Re: Atheist

2014-07-13 Thread LizR
On 13 July 2014 07:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/12/2014 4:23 AM, LizR wrote: On 12 July 2014 07:58, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Liz, you missed my words about 'atheist' and 'agnostic'. Fighting AGAINST something reqires SOME concept of the enemy, so an atheist

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-13 Thread LizR
On 13 July 2014 05:34, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If there are two (and there are) why didn't Bruno Marchal ask what cities John Clark will see from *a* 1p? That is the 3p view *on* the future 1-views. The? why

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-13 Thread LizR
On 12 July 2014 23:14, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 July 2014 05:41, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:37 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If the MWI is correct, the electron spin question is equivalent to the teleporter question. No it is not and

Re: Apologies to Telmo

2014-07-13 Thread LizR
That sounds like one of the sanest things I've heard in a while. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

Fwd: Atheist

2014-07-13 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Sure: Do you believe in a theist god? I'd like to. So we can keep using the word theology and keep some academic departments that have no subject. This would also include political science, arts, gender studies, french literature. Are you willing to go that far, and make what doesn't

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 13 juil. 2014 12:42, LizR lizj...@gmail.com a écrit : On 12 July 2014 23:14, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 July 2014 05:41, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:37 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If the MWI is correct, the electron spin question is

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-13 Thread David Nyman
On 11 July 2014 19:21, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I agree with Brent, and I think everybody agree, when he says that reducing does not eliminate. You are a little too quick here with your everybody, since obviously my whole point has been that I *don't* agree! I would remind you

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I see Ladies and gentleman: this is the shape of things to come. Nothing new under the sun. 2014-07-13 11:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: Le 13 juil. 2014 11:11, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com a écrit : No doubt you have evil inside. And your sense of humorI know

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 13 juil. 2014 14:22, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com a écrit : I see Ladies and gentleman: this is the shape of things to come. Nothing new under the sun. To appease your sadness, me and my evil friends will ensure you'll be the first to be our energy savior by doing a good

Re: Atheist

2014-07-13 Thread David Nyman
On 12 July 2014 20:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Of course they wouldn't because 17 is a prime number is a tautology. It's true simply in virtue of it's meaning like x is x. But is it a fact about the world or just a fact about language? I must confess to being somewhat

Re: Apologies to Telmo

2014-07-13 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
If above refers to previous post, you are too kind in plain view of the baroque self-display, my apologies. If not, then I hereby declare myself Captain Awkward. In any case, I'll try to keep the personal stuff a bit more under control. Must be the football jock testosterone + toxic doughnuts +

Re: Apologies to Telmo

2014-07-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 1:27 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 July 2014 06:50, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Platonist Guitar

Re: Apologies to Telmo

2014-07-13 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: That was a nice read. I am rooting for Germany out of empathy for my host country, while bracing for the endless fireworks over Berlin. More than for a win in the game, I hope for party. As in C'mon guys, F the

Re: Brent's circular ontology [was: Is Consciousness Computable?]

2014-07-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:51 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 July 2014 07:17, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/12/2014 1:23 AM, LizR wrote: Brent, You left me hanging a week or so ago, and never got back to me about something I'm interested in finding out more about.

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Jul 2014, at 21:56, meekerdb wrote: On 7/10/2014 12:19 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-10 20:39 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 7/10/2014 4:08 AM, David Nyman wrote: In short, under physicalism, a 'computation' *just is* a particular sequence of physical states.

RE: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. No doubt you have evil inside. And your sense of humorI know some famous political psychopaths that would sign that joke. But you are not alone. That evil

RE: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Quentin Anciaux Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 1:55 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy? Le 13 juil. 2014 10:34, Alberto G.

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2014, at 19:34, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If there are two (and there are) why didn't Bruno Marchal ask what cities John Clark will see from *a* 1p? That is the 3p view *on* the future 1-views. The? why not *a* future

RE: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to use the Mao suit at least? What textile plants?... Didn't they all get outsourced to

Re: Brent's circular ontology [was: Is Consciousness Computable?]

2014-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2014, at 21:17, meekerdb wrote: On 7/12/2014 1:23 AM, LizR wrote: Brent, You left me hanging a week or so ago, and never got back to me about something I'm interested in finding out more about. On 2 July 2014 23:14, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 July 2014 17:06, meekerdb

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2014, at 21:28, meekerdb wrote: On 7/12/2014 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2014, at 22:26, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2014 11:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2014, at 09:41, David Nyman wrote: On 11 July 2014 00:54, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: As I

Re: Brent's circular ontology [was: Is Consciousness Computable?]

2014-07-13 Thread meekerdb
On 7/13/2014 8:51 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: That being said, I tend to become a postmodernist when the word explanation shows up. I see science as pure description. I find it is easy to fall into the trap of seeing explanation where none is given. People say to kids: the moon orbits the earth

Re: Atheist

2014-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2014, at 22:34, John Mikes wrote: Thanks, Bruno, for your thoughtful response. - However: you wrote ...This might mean that you are not aware of the discovery of Gödel and Tarski which show the transcendence and independence of the arithmetical reality with respect to us (and

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jul 2014, at 10:04, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 13 juil. 2014 09:58, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 13 juil. 2014 03:31, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au a écrit : On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 02:01:38AM +0200, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Either both are

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jul 2014, at 12:37, LizR wrote: On 13 July 2014 05:34, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If there are two (and there are) why didn't Bruno Marchal ask what cities John Clark will see from *a* 1p? That is the 3p view

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-13 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 6:42 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I don't see people rushing into uranium and thorium power Unfortunately I don't see people rushing into thorium power either, at least in the West, but it needn't have been that way; as I

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jul 2014, at 14:19, David Nyman wrote: On 11 July 2014 19:21, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I agree with Brent, and I think everybody agree, when he says that reducing does not eliminate. You are a little too quick here with your everybody, since obviously my whole point

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-13 Thread meekerdb
On 7/13/2014 12:25 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jul 2014, at 21:28, meekerdb wrote: On 7/12/2014 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2014, at 22:26, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2014 11:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2014, at 09:41, David Nyman wrote: On 11 July 2014 00:54,

Re: Brent's circular ontology [was: Is Consciousness Computable?]

2014-07-13 Thread meekerdb
On 7/13/2014 11:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Then, look at my preceding post to you. I don't know for Tegmark, but computationalism excels in differentiating and relating the different sort of existence: ontological, epistemological, observational, communicable or not, theological, etc.

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-13 Thread David Nyman
On 13 July 2014 22:01, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Well, if you still hold to your earlier opinion, you should agree that, in terms of an explanatory hierarchy based on an ontology of molecular kinetics, temperature must be considered to have been eliminated *ontologically* (i.e.

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-13 Thread meekerdb
On 7/13/2014 5:38 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 13 July 2014 22:01, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Well, if you still hold to your earlier opinion, you should agree that, in terms of an explanatory hierarchy based on an ontology of molecular kinetics, temperature must be considered to have