Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

endeavor, but as you indicated, this is not clear.. -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Sat, Aug 4, 2018 7:29 am Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? On 3 Aug 2018, at 23:36, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: An apt question

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 4 Aug 2018, at 12:52, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >> >> Honestly you fail to convince me of any physical influence at a distance >> brought by Bell’s inequality violation when studied in the MW. >> Bell and Aspect works remain for me only

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

ery long, period. Best, Bruno > > Spud the peasant (grubby) > > > > -Original Message- > From: Bruno Marchal > To: everything-list > Sent: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 5:07 am > Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? > > > On

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 4 Aug 2018, at 03:09, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> On 3 Aug 2018, at 13:43, Bruce Kellett >> > wrote: >>> >>> From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 2 Aug 2018, at 12:54, Bruce Kellett >>>

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 3 Aug 2018, at 19:24, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:43 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >>The problem is neither FTL influences nor the creation of Many Worlds > >>violates the know laws of physics > > > >FTL influences violate any minimally

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 3 Aug 2018, at 13:43, Bruce Kellett > wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 2 Aug 2018, at 12:54, Bruce Kellett > wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal*

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 5:07 am Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? On 1 Aug 2018, at 23:36, Brent Meeker wrote: If the cat is always in a mixed state, discussing decoherence times

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> The problem is neither FTL influences nor the creation of Many Worlds >> violates the know laws of physics > > > > *>FTL influences violate any minimally realist account of Special > Relativity.* > Yes but that doesn't matter because it

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 3 Aug 2018, at 13:43, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >> On 2 Aug 2018, at 12:54, Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >>> >>> From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> > On 1 Aug 2018, at 21:12, Brent Meeker

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 2 Aug 2018, at 12:54, Bruce Kellett > wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 21:12, Brent Meeker > wrote: Indeed.  But the common-cause

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> Il 3 agosto 2018 alle 0.56 Bruce Kellett ha > scritto: > > From: Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net > > > > > On 8/2/2018 1:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 Aug 2018, at 21:12,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:06 PM John Clark > wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:14 PM, Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>>wrote: >> You and I have quantum entangledcoins, I'm on Earth

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 3 Aug 2018, at 00:56, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> >> On 8/2/2018 1:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Aug 2018, at 21:12, Brent Meeker >>> > wrote: Indeed. But the common-cause explanation

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 2 Aug 2018, at 20:32, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 8/2/2018 2:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 23:36, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> If the cat is always in a mixed state, discussing decoherence times in the

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 2 Aug 2018, at 20:26, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 8/2/2018 1:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 21:12, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/1/2018 8:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 1 Aug 2018, at 15:51, John Clark

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 2 Aug 2018, at 20:13, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 8/2/2018 1:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Not necessarily. The WM-duplication, like Everett QM, illustrates that >> sometimes two events can be realised from a third person pod, yet only one >> event is realised from the

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 2 Aug 2018, at 16:38, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >>If a unmeasured electron or any particle (the exparament was originally > >>done with silver atoms) passes through a Stern Gerlach magnet the

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 2 Aug 2018, at 13:05, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> On 2 Aug 2018, at 01:32, Bruce Kellett >> > wrote: >>> >>> From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> > On 1 Aug 2018, at 06:19, Bruce Kellett

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 2 Aug 2018, at 12:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 21:12, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Indeed. But the common-cause explanation doesn't work for all choices of >>> measurement angle.

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Brent Meeker* mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 8/2/2018 1:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Aug 2018, at 21:12, Brent Meeker > wrote: Indeed.  But the common-cause explanation doesn't work for all choices of measurement angle. It does. Well, it does not

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/2/2018 7:38 AM, John Clark wrote: / > but with the "many-world” we are back at a Bertlmann socks case. The same for the Bell’s inequality violation. They are not violated in the wave, but the wave explains that in each branch the Bell’s inequality is violated, and

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/2/2018 2:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Aug 2018, at 23:36, Brent Meeker > wrote: *If the cat is always in a mixed state, discussing decoherence times in the context of this wf make no sense, at least to me. But if you insist on this, mustn't the

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/2/2018 1:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Aug 2018, at 21:12, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 8/1/2018 8:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Aug 2018, at 15:51, John Clark > wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Jason Resch

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/2/2018 1:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Not necessarily. The WM-duplication, like Everett QM,  illustrates that sometimes two events can be realised from a third person pod, yet only one event is realised from the observer’s pov, and that brings back a notion of first person

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> If a unmeasured electron or any particle (the exparament was originally >> done with silver atoms) passes through a Stern Gerlach magnet the particle >> will be deflected up (relative to the orientation angle chosen to set the >> magnet

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:38 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 8/1/2018 10:22 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:34 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 8/1/2018 3:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:39 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 2 Aug 2018, at 01:32, Bruce Kellett > wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 06:19, Bruce Kellett > wrote: No, there are not any

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 21:12, Brent Meeker > wrote: Indeed.  But the common-cause explanation doesn't work for all choices of measurement angle. It does. Well, it does not if you assume only one Bob and Alice, but the

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 2 Aug 2018, at 01:32, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 06:19, Bruce Kellett >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> No, there are not any infinities of anything. You simply confuse yourself >>> by continuing

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 1 Aug 2018, at 23:36, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > >> If the cat is always in a mixed state, discussing decoherence times in the >> context of this wf make no sense, at least to me. But if you insist on this, >> mustn't the overall wf be a mixed state, making the radioactive source,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 1 Aug 2018, at 22:50, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 4:41:02 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 2:09:45 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > On 7/31/2018 6:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: > > > On Wednesday,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 1 Aug 2018, at 21:12, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 8/1/2018 8:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 15:51, John Clark >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Jason Resch >> > wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 1 Aug 2018, at 20:59, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 8/1/2018 4:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 07:49, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/31/2018 10:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:52 PM

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> On 1 Aug 2018, at 20:52, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 8/1/2018 4:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 02:11, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com >>> wrote:

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 1 Aug 2018, at 20:49, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 8/1/2018 4:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 31 Jul 2018, at 22:02, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/31/2018 9:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 31 Jul 2018, at 02:57, Brent

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 1 Aug 2018, at 20:39, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 8/1/2018 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 31 Jul 2018, at 21:46, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/31/2018 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 30 Jul 2018, at 22:27, Brent

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 10:39:52 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 8/1/2018 2:57 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:36:18 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/1/2018 10:22 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:34 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 8/1/2018 3:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:39 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 8/1/2018 3:51 AM,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:34 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 8/1/2018 3:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:39 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 8/1/2018 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 31 Jul 2018, at 21:46, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >> >> On 7/31/2018 9:11

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/1/2018 3:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:39 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 8/1/2018 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jul 2018, at 21:46, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 7/31/2018 9:11 AM, Bruno

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 06:19, Bruce Kellett > wrote: No, there are not any infinities of anything. You simply confuse yourself by continuing to claim such things which are not part of quantum mechanics.  The

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:39 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 8/1/2018 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 31 Jul 2018, at 21:46, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Jul 2018, at 22:27, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2018 9:58 AM, John Clark

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/1/2018 2:57 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:36:18 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 4:41:02 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:36:18 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 4:41:02 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 2:09:45 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 4:41:02 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 2:09:45 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/31/2018 6:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, August

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 4:41:02 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 2:09:45 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 6:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/1/2018 8:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Aug 2018, at 15:51, John Clark > wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Jason Resch > wrote: >> the correlation between the angle I set my Stern Gerlach

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/1/2018 4:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Aug 2018, at 07:49, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/31/2018 10:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:52 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/31/2018 2:38 PM, Jason Resch

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/1/2018 4:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Aug 2018, at 02:11, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/1/2018 4:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jul 2018, at 22:02, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/31/2018 9:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jul 2018, at 02:57, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/30/2018 4:11 PM, John Clark wrote: On

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 8/1/2018 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jul 2018, at 21:46, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/31/2018 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jul 2018, at 22:27, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/30/2018 9:58 AM, John Clark wrote:

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 1 Aug 2018, at 15:51, John Clark wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Jason Resch > wrote: > > >>the correlation between the angle I set my Stern Gerlach magnet to and the > >>angle you set yours to is NOT local and is sent much faster than light,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> the correlation between the angle I set my Stern Gerlach magnet to and >> the angle you set yours to is NOT local and is sent much faster than light, >> probably instantaneously. Regardless of the angle I set my magnet to there >> is a

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 1 Aug 2018, at 13:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal >>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 06:11, Bruce Kellett >> > wrote: >> >>> the result for particle 2 depends on what was done to particle 1, even at >>> space-like

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 1 Aug 2018, at 07:49, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 10:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:52 PM Brent Meeker > > wrote: >> >> >> On 7/31/2018 2:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, Brent

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 1 Aug 2018, at 06:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> On 31 Jul 2018, at 04:05, John Clark >> > wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:14 PM, Jason Resch >> > wrote: >>> >>> >> You and

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Bruno Marchal* On 1 Aug 2018, at 06:11, Bruce Kellett > wrote: the result for particle 2 depends on what was done to particle 1, even at space-like separations. Absolutely. Whether you call this an 'influence' or simple an

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 1 Aug 2018, at 06:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> On 31 Jul 2018, at 03:39, Bruce Kellett >> > wrote: >>> >>> From: Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 31 Jul 2018, at 21:46, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 30 Jul 2018, at 22:27, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/30/2018 9:58 AM, John Clark wrote: > Forget collapse. Many, perhaps

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/31/2018 10:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:52 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/31/2018 2:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 7/31/2018 9:46 AM,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:52 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/31/2018 2:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/31/2018 9:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 2:09:45 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 6:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 31 Jul 2018, at 04:05, John Clark > wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:14 PM, Jason Resch >wrote: >> You and I have quantum entangledcoins, I'm on Earth and

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 31 Jul 2018, at 03:39, Bruce Kellett > wrote: From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark > wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:04 PM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> Do Kochen and Specker assume counterfactual definiteness? Bell did, which is why his

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/31/2018 6:22 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 1:22:44 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 6:43

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/31/2018 2:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/31/2018 9:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 7/30/2018 9:21

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/31/2018 9:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/31/2018 9:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jul 2018, at 02:57, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/30/2018 4:11 PM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:27 PM, Brent Meeker >wrote: >> Many, perhaps most,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/31/2018 9:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote:

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/31/2018 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jul 2018, at 22:27, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/30/2018 9:58 AM, John Clark wrote: > /Forget collapse./ Many, perhaps most, physicists do exactly that because they believe in the "Shut Up And

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 12:43 PM wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 4:47:13 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 12:15 PM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:51 PM, Jason Resch > wrote: > > >> >>> I was simplifying things to get to the essential difference between a >>> communication and a influence and you're just changing one apparently >>> random sequence to a

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 4:47:13 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 31 Jul 2018, at 06:21, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 7/30/2018 8:02 AM, Bruno

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 31 Jul 2018, at 04:05, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:14 PM, Jason Resch > wrote: > > >>You and I have quantum entangled coins, I'm on Earth and you're in the > >>Andromeda Galaxy 2 million light years away. I flip my coin 100 times and >

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:51 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> I was simplifying things to get to the essential difference between a >> communication and a influence and you're just changing one apparently >> random sequence to a different apparently random sequence and the only way >> to tell that

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 31 Jul 2018, at 03:39, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark > > wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra > > wrote: >> >> > A concept of

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 31 Jul 2018, at 02:57, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2018 4:11 PM, John Clark wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:27 PM, Brent Meeker > > wrote: >> >> >> Many, perhaps most, physicists do exactly that because they believe in >> >> the "Shut Up And

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:04 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> From: Jason Resch >> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra wrote: >>> >>> * > A

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 31 Jul 2018, at 01:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> >> >> Einstein didn't say nothing can move faster than light, he only said matter >> and energy and information can't. Thanks to recent experiments with Bell's >> Inequality we already have

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 31 Jul 2018, at 01:33, John Clark wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:33 PM, > wrote: > > > the wf has infinite extent (as does the probability density). This would > > imply INSTANTANEOUS propagation when the wf is created -- much worse than > > FTL!

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 30 Jul 2018, at 22:27, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2018 9:58 AM, John Clark wrote: >> > Forget collapse. >> Many, perhaps most, physicists do exactly that because they believe in the >> "Shut Up And Calculate" quantum interpretation and are only interested in >> predicting

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? (+ combinator 1, copy)

> On 30 Jul 2018, at 21:54, Brent Meeker wrote: > > I always look forward to your tutorials in logic...even if I don't mistake > them for reality. :-) Well, thanks. Did you get my post “Combinators 1 (introduction) ? (I put it below in case you missed it). Well, it is already a slight

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/30/2018 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 7/30/2018 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> *and claims the system being measured is physically

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Mon,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:06 PM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > >> >>> You and I have quantum entangled coins, I'm on Earth and you're in the >>> Andromeda Galaxy 2 million light years away. I flip my coin 100 times >>> and record my sequences of

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra wrote: >> >> >>> * > A concept of "influence" without any information transfer is >>> ambiguous. The meaning of this

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> You and I have quantum entangled coins, I'm on Earth and you're in the >> Andromeda Galaxy 2 million light years away. I flip my coin 100 times >> and record my sequences of heads and tails and then just one hour later you >> do the same

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark > wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra mailto:smi...@zonnet.nl>>wrote: / > A concept of "influence" without any information transfer

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: *>maybe it works because the Born rule is the only consistent way to put a > probability measure on Hilbert space. Born just inuitited the rule (and > actually got it wrong and corrected it in a footnote); but Gleason proved > it in 1957.*

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/30/2018 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: *and claims the system being measured is physically in all eigenstates simultaneously before measurement.* Nobody

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